Feb. 2 to .Feb 3

[Texas48]

HaLeigh Cummings:wub:

[whitney]

Have to wonder what LE is doing...First Ronald and Misty are lead to believe they passed their LDT and then they say that Ronald and Crystal are not suspects and then Ronald's own lawyer says they can't officially rule him out. A lot of confusion. Why wasn't his bond high for the fight he had with Tommy, that wasn't his first offense, could it be that they had this drug sting in mind back then and wanted him on the street. Just questions I am curiuos about. JMO

[c4h]

Bringing this over from the other thread

Yes I saw that. Is Tuesday the day we believe AH?

Just asking 'cause he's reporting it on his site that the tapes will be released. I haven't seen it reported anywhere else.

In any event, there'll be enough fodder for NG to cover 2 weeks of shows.

JMO

this is the ONLY reason AH said anything about it. It was supposed to be on her show last night but Baby Gabriel had breaking news.
Per CNN and Nancy's facebook page

Breaking news! Right now - awaiting the release of Misty Croslin's jailhouse video tapes! Hours of video showing Haleigh's former babysitter/stepmom behind bars set to be released any moment! This as Misty Croslin cracks behind bars! She turns on her own brother, setting him up for more criminal charges. What more will Haleigh's former stepmom/babysitter reveal behind bars? Nancy Grace has the latest breaking details every night at 8 & 10 p.m. ET on HLN.
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

[HouseOfClark]

Bringing this over from the other thread



this is the ONLY reason AH said anything about it. It was supposed to be on her show last night but Baby Gabriel had breaking news.
Per CNN and Nancy's facebook page

Breaking news! Right now - awaiting the release of Misty Croslin's jailhouse video tapes! Hours of video showing Haleigh's former babysitter/stepmom behind bars set to be released any moment! This as Misty Croslin cracks behind bars! She turns on her own brother, setting him up for more criminal charges. What more will Haleigh's former stepmom/babysitter reveal behind bars? Nancy Grace has the latest breaking details every night at 8 & 10 p.m. ET on HLN.
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

I don't know which came first, the chicken or the egg....

IMO, NG's facebook page changed from the way it was posted yesterday.

So you're thinking that AH didn't speak with whatever officer he claims to have spoken with? Did NG indicate she did?

JMO

[Motomom]

I don't know which came first, the chicken or the egg....

IMO, NG's facebook page changed from the way it was posted yesterday.

So you're thinking that AH didn't speak with whatever officer he claims to have spoken with? Did NG indicate she did?

JMO

I don't see what difference it makes.
I hope we get the tapes though..These aren't the DB "tapes" though are they? I'd like to see some of Misty's interview tapes.

[Saint Viva]

I would like to hear the tapes between Ron and Teresa-

jmo

[jimbob]

Regards the jailhouse tapes,wouldnt it occur to anyone with even an ounce of smarts that is incarcerated in Fla that any conversations are going to taped and on the air as in the Casey Anthony incident ?

A great opportunity to sow false information.

[HouseOfClark]

I don't see what difference it makes.
I hope we get the tapes though..These aren't the DB "tapes" though are they? I'd like to see some of Misty's interview tapes.

I don't see that it makes a difference as to who's doing the "advertising" either.

If I read AH correctly, and I admit I skimmed through it, they only have DB on audio with a telephone conversation with her husband. But yes, we should get to hear that too.

I'm not so sure that I want to see/hear any of it....but I suppose I'd rather see/hear it for myself than to have NG interpret it as anything but what it is.

JMO

[jimbob]

I don't see that it makes a difference as to who's doing the "advertising" either.

If I read AH correctly, and I admit I skimmed through it, they only have DB on audio with a telephone conversation with her husband. But yes, we should get to hear that too.

I'm not so sure that I want to see/hear any of it....but I suppose I'd rather see/hear it for myself than to have NG interpret it as anything but what it is.

JMO

I read yesterday its thought Brock is divorced from her husband ?

[HouseOfClark]

I read yesterday its thought Brock is divorced from her husband ?

She may be.

[datacop]

I don't see that it makes a difference as to who's doing the "advertising" either.

If I read AH correctly, and I admit I skimmed through it, they only have DB on audio with a telephone conversation with her husband. But yes, we should get to hear that too.

I'm not so sure that I want to see/hear any of it....but I suppose I'd rather see/hear it for myself than to have NG interpret it as anything but what it is.

JMO

or other posters and their interpretations...

[?noanswer]

Regards the jailhouse tapes,wouldnt it occur to anyone with even an ounce of smarts that is incarcerated in Fla that any conversations are going to taped and on the air as in the Casey Anthony incident ?

A great opportunity to sow false information.

Some have thought this was an Anthony copy cat case. If so, one would think the first lesson they learned was to be careful of what they say!!!! JMO

[?noanswer]

She may be.

If not already, it might happen soon!! JMO

[Texas48]

Haleigh Cummings...** I Miss My Mommy**

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl3wWjmr9PA

[?noanswer]

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/6255587.php

Says she works for a dentist and the car she drives is registered in his name.


Incident report 209

http://download.gannett.edgesuite.net/wtlv/docs/012610_croslin4.pdf


"At approximately 0425 hours, Oet.. made contact with Cummings and Brock next to the fuel pumps.

Cummings and Brock arrived in a blue four door vehicle, bearing North Carolina tag#
YXM4536. This vehicle is

registered to Bradley Brock of Richlands, North Carolina. Bradley Brock is believed to be the husband of Donna

Brock."

Which is correct or am I not reading these documents correctly?


JMO

[?noanswer]

In one of the incident reports it says something about Misty telling the UC guy that they had been to VA and was on the way back to
FL. IIRC, the drugs she and DB sold to UC was $800. worth. How much money would they have left if they went to VA to get their supply. There would have been expenses such as cost of drugs to the "supplier", gas money, food, Places to stay?, etc. Also wonder if there was a GPS on the vehicle and they could track their trip. Also wonder if cell phones would allow LE to track. JMO

[M*KAY]

Have to wonder what LE is doing...First Ronald and Misty are lead to believe they passed their LDT and then they say that Ronald and Crystal are not suspects and then Ronald's own lawyer says they can't officially rule him out. A lot of confusion. Why wasn't his bond high for the fight he had with Tommy, that wasn't his first offense, could it be that they had this drug sting in mind back then and wanted him on the street. Just questions I am curiuos about. JMO

Were the charges that may have been leveled at Tommy that night ever brought?

IIRC LE or someone in LE was to review what if any charges there should be for T.C.?

MOO

[CatToy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO2FBFpwz30&feature=channel

Misty pretends here to be "hypnotized"...several problems are readily apparent: No 1 she keeps her eyes closed as IF she is out
(she isn't)
She keeps shaking her head no, throughout
She crosses her legs and arms, fighting the process.

Was not forthcoming.

[M*KAY]

Regards the jailhouse tapes,wouldnt it occur to anyone with even an ounce of smarts that is incarcerated in Fla that any conversations are going to taped and on the air as in the Casey Anthony incident ?

A great opportunity to sow false information.

Honestly jimbob these people don't seem like the "keeping up with current events" type.

They may not have a clue about the Sunshine Law.. since before now... all their arrests have been the Penny-ante stuff.

MOO

[?noanswer]

Were the charges that may have been leveled at Tommy that night ever brought?

IIRC LE or someone in LE was to review what if any charges there should be for T.C.?

MOO

AFAIK, nothing has happened on this. RC's record has not been updated

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES
Alias
Date # Docket Description
2009-08-06 1 ARREST REPORT - PCSO D/S QUINTIER (ARREST 8/5/09)
2009-08-06 1 BOOKING NUMBER: 09-3225
2009-08-06 1 BURGLARY OF CONVEYANCE WITH BATTERY
2009-08-06 2 DEFENDANT PRESENT FOR FIRST APPEARANCE HRG 8/6/09
2009-08-06 2 ADJ INS P D APPOINTED FOR FIRST APPEARANCE ONLY
2009-08-06 2 SUFFICIENT PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND
2009-08-06 2 $12,5004.00 SECURED BOND SET
2009-08-06 3 AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY
2009-08-06 4 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER FOR 1ST APP HEARING
2009-08-07 5 $12504.00 A-1-24 HOUR CITY BEST BAIL BONDS #2148146
2009-08-07 5 AMERICAN BANKERS INSURANCE CO
2009-08-19 6 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE BY: TERRY J SHOEMAKER
2009-08-19 7 NOTICE OF DISCOVERY
and nothing has ever shown up for HC.

I always thought this would be dismissed with the explanation "no information" or however they word it. I don't know how they will figure out who is telling the truth as all the participants involved have been in jail at least once since this.

Who ever bailed RC out should have saved their money and maybe RC as he might not have pulled his latest capers.

JMO

[Saint Viva]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO2FBFpwz30&feature=channel

Misty pretends here to be "hypnotized"...several problems are readily apparent: No 1 she keeps her eyes closed as IF she is out
(she isn't)
She keeps shaking her head no, throughout
She crosses her legs and arms, fighting the process.

Was not forthcoming.

Now do we know who gave her the test? I hope they dont have anything on the net that says they are not good at their job, or otherwise thats all we are going to hear about!:laugh:

But yes, it is obvious she is not "under" during this session, therefore making everything she says staged and worth nothing-

jmo

[datacop]

Now do we know who gave her the test? I hope they dont have anything on the net that says they are not good at their job, or otherwise thats all we are going to hear about!:laugh:

But yes, it is obvious she is not "under" during this session, therefore making everything she says staged and worth nothing-

jmo

It's worth knowing that she was lying, as usual.

[DramaQueen]

Just checking in, peeps

everyone is still in jail, I see

[mrsmcgoo]

I guess we can take from the news that Misty is throwing people under the bus that she isn't happy in jail. Shame isn't it! :cursing:

[jimbob]

In reference to Misty throwing people under the bus , who has she really thrown under a bus ? Her brother on some pretty dumb penny ante stuff.
Does it make anyone else wonder if she is so unhappy which seems a given , and it was within her capabilities to throw anyone under a bus and lighten her situation , wouldnt she have done so ?

[Saint Viva]

In reference to Misty throwing people under the bus , who has she really thrown under a bus ? Her brother on some pretty dumb penny ante stuff.
Does it make anyone else wonder if she is so unhappy which seems a given , and it was within her capabilities to throw anyone under a bus and lighten her situation , wouldnt she have done so ?

Not if she has to throw someone in jail she is in love with, and has their name freshly tattoed on her lower back- this arrest was a shock, imo, I dont think either of them knew they were going to jail that day, they didn't part on bad terms- she may not crack easy, but as time passes and she gets sober and sees the light, it could be a whole different ballgame- jmo

[?noanswer]

In reference to Misty throwing people under the bus , who has she really thrown under a bus ? Her brother on some pretty dumb penny ante stuff.
Does it make anyone else wonder if she is so unhappy which seems a given , and it was within her capabilities to throw anyone under a bus and lighten her situation , wouldnt she have done so ?

One would think so. Maybe the only person she could throw under the bus re Haleigh's disappearance is MC, herself. Or maybe she really doesn't know. I don't think she would be afraid of anyone cause if they were arrested they couldn't harm her. JMO

[mrsmcgoo]

Not if she has to throw someone in jail she is in love with, and has their name freshly tattoed on her lower back- this arrest was a shock, imo, I dont think either of them knew they were going to jail that day, they didn't part on bad terms- she may not crack easy, but as time passes and she gets sober and sees the light, it could be a whole different ballgame- jmo

Reality is setting in that she is 18 years old and look at her future. She is left in a cell thinking about the years and years she will be locked up. If she knows anything, and I think she does, she will crack. I think this is just a feeler to see how much of a break she gets from spilling about Tommy. When she see that isn't enough to get some time off what she is facing, she will tell more.

Just my opinion.

[DramaQueen]

In reference to Misty throwing people under the bus , who has she really thrown under a bus ? Her brother on some pretty dumb penny ante stuff.
Does it make anyone else wonder if she is so unhappy which seems a given , and it was within her capabilities to throw anyone under a bus and lighten her situation , wouldnt she have done so ?

IMO I guess that would depend on who she ultimately has to throw under the bus to tell the truth. If it were her brother or cousin Joe, I think she will ultimately do so, she still has time. If it's someone else, well, she may never tell the truth.

[M*KAY]

Since Ron is not a suspect according to LE I seriously doubt Misty can throw him under the bus for anything major.

** Don't forget, today the forums will be closed at 2 for a few hours.

What do y'all want to bet THAT'S when the "Misty tapes" will be released??

MOO

[DramaQueen]

Reality is setting in that she is 18 years old and look at her future. She is left in a cell thinking about the years and years she will be locked up. If she knows anything, and I think she does, she will crack. I think this is just a feeler to see how much of a break she gets from spilling about Tommy. When she see that isn't enough to get some time off what she is facing, she will tell more.

Just my opinion.


that's an excellent synopsis.

[DramaQueen]

Since Ron is not a suspect according to LE I seriously doubt Misty can throw him under the bus for anything major.

** Don't forget, today the forums will be closed at 2 for a few hours.

What do y'all want to bet THAT'S when the "Misty tapes" will be released??

MOO

all of the forums or just the ones here?

[whitney]

IMO I guess that would depend on who she ultimately has to throw under the bus to tell the truth. If it were her brother or cousin Joe, I think she will ultimately do so, she still has time. If it's someone else, well, she may never tell the truth.
Hopefully she is being housed with older female inmates that are telling her protecting anyone is not in her best interest. jMO

[DramaQueen]

One would think so. Maybe the only person she could throw under the bus re Haleigh's disappearance is MC, herself. Or maybe she really doesn't know. I don't think she would be afraid of anyone cause if they were arrested they couldn't harm her. JMO

People get "harmed" in jail all the time. She has no guarantee of absolute protection just because she's locked up, and anyone else who might be involved is locked up, too.

My brother-in-law works at San Quentin and he said it would be considered a huge coup for gang members there to "harm" Scott Peterson, that's why he has three guards on him every time he leaves his cell for the infirmary, etc. and has to take his excerise alone.

Misty is not safe from anyone just because she's in jail.

[jimbob]

Reality is setting in that she is 18 years old and look at her future. She is left in a cell thinking about the years and years she will be locked up. If she knows anything, and I think she does, she will crack. I think this is just a feeler to see how much of a break she gets from spilling about Tommy. When she see that isn't enough to get some time off what she is facing, she will tell more.

Just my opinion.

Thats assuming she is anywhere near as clever as some suppose,she has never struck me as particularly bright.
It could just be that throwing her brother under the bus is all shes got , we all assume it was easy for her to do that , some speak of love preventing her from doing the same to others,doesnt she love her brother?

[DramaQueen]

Hopefully she is being housed with older female inmates that are telling her protecting anyone is not in her best interest. jMO


half of those fellow female inmates are probably doing just that, protecting someone else in their lives, figuring the jail time is worth at least keeping their lives, as opposed to telling what they know, KWIM?

[Mimi428]

People get "harmed" in jail all the time. She has no guarantee of absolute protection just because she's locked up, and anyone else who might be involved is locked up, too.

My brother-in-law works at San Quentin and he said it would be considered a huge coup for gang members there to "harm" Scott Peterson, that's why he has three guards on him every time he leaves his cell for the infirmary, etc. and has to take his excerise alone.

Misty is not safe from anyone just because she's in jail.

(rbm)

Especially since she's a snitch! She will be hard-pressed to lose the 'snitch' label that's attached to her, especially when she is snitching on her own family.

Then you have to add in that she cannot clear herself in what looks suspiciously like a child's murder - a child not her own. On the long haul, it doesn't pay to be among women who are locked up & worried about who is taking care of their kids - & wondering if they are being taken care of by an ex's GF who is just like Misty.

I think she is going to have a bad time in jail for awhile.

JMO

[Mimi428]

all of the forums or just the ones here?

All of them, from what I read yesterday. The whole kit & caboodle.

[Tracian]

IMO I guess that would depend on who she ultimately has to throw under the bus to tell the truth. If it were her brother or cousin Joe, I think she will ultimately do so, she still has time. If it's someone else, well, she may never tell the truth.


Another thing, is her possible involvement. If her involvement would bring more time than her current charges, (considering that she will most likely take a plea deal) she will do what Misty has been doing from day one...look out for Misty.

[mrsmcgoo]

Thats assuming she is anywhere near as clever as some suppose,she has never struck me as particularly bright.
It could just be that throwing her brother under the bus is all shes got , we all assume it was easy for her to do that , some speak of love preventing her from doing the same to others,doesnt she love her brother?

I honestly don't know and wouldn't even pretend to know if she loves her brother. Unfortunately, her family situation has never been great that we have seen. As for what she knows, my opinion is that she knows ALOT more. I could be wrong, it's only my opinion.

JMO

[mrsmcgoo]

Another thing, is her possible involvement. If her involvement would bring more time than her current charges, (considering that she will most likely take a plea deal) she will do what Misty has been doing from day one...look out for Misty.

True enough Tracian.

[jimbob]

I honestly don't know and wouldn't even pretend to know if she loves her brother. Unfortunately, her family situation has never been great that we have seen. As for what she knows, my opinion is that she knows ALOT more. I could be wrong, it's only my opinion.

JMO

I think your right , she has more to say,possibly incriminating herself.Its the only thing that makes any real sense to me anyway.If she could talk her way out she would be gone.
Mimi's post is spot on , misty is a snitch , life wont be much fun in jail.

[DramaQueen]

All of them, from what I read yesterday. The whole kit & caboodle.


what the heck is happening is someone shutting down the internet? I haven't been "on" in three days how can they shut all the forums down?

[jimbob]

what the heck is happening is someone shutting down the internet? I haven't been "on" in three days how can they shut all the forums down?

On some collectors forums im on it happens when the software used is upgraded.

[Saint Viva]

Except, she has no criminal record and she could get a lawyer to plead her down to something like 18 months, so the ball is in her court- if she continues to play dumb, she could get the book thrown at her hard, its up to her what she wants to do- she should be talking to her lawyer and when she does decide to tell the truth, I bet she will be given time served-

JMO

[DramaQueen]

(rbm)

Especially since she's a snitch! She will be hard-pressed to lose the 'snitch' label that's attached to her, especially when she is snitching on her own family.

Then you have to add in that she cannot clear herself in what looks suspiciously like a child's murder - a child not her own. On the long haul, it doesn't pay to be among women who are locked up & worried about who is taking care of their kids - & wondering if they are being taken care of by an ex's GF who is just like Misty.

I think she is going to have a bad time in jail for awhile.

JMO

yep I do, too. Poor thing. I have not one iota of sympathy for her, people can cry terrible upbringing all they want to, but she knows right from wrong, and she chose wrong. Why? Because it's easier and more fun to sleep her way into someone's home and their trust, and it's easier and alot more fun to deal drugs than it is to finish your education and find a decent job. That's hard work.

[whitney]

Except, she has no criminal record and she could get a lawyer to plead her down to something like 18 months, so the ball is in her court- if she continues to play dumb, she could get the book thrown at her hard, its up to her what she wants to do- she should be talking to her lawyer and when she does decide to tell the truth, I bet she will be given time served-

JMO
I Hope that is what she does and then moves far away from Putnam County. JMO

[Saint Viva]

I Hope that is what she does and then moves far away from Putnam County. JMO

Me too, and she will get it, imo, she is an abused young lady and I am hoping the LE bring in some woman advocates for her, she is going to need a lot of support, and I hope she gets far away from Florida!

jmo

[jimbob]

Except, she has no criminal record and she could get a lawyer to plead her down to something like 18 months, so the ball is in her court- if she continues to play dumb, she could get the book thrown at her hard, its up to her what she wants to do- she should be talking to her lawyer and when she does decide to tell the truth, I bet she will be given time served-

JMO

I thought the drug charges each were a 25 year mandatory/minimum?

[Saint Viva]

I thought the drug charges each were a 25 year mandatory/minimum?

Deals can always be made-

jmo

[?noanswer]

what the heck is happening is someone shutting down the internet? I haven't been "on" in three days how can they shut all the forums down?

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/announcement.php?f=657

I think it is IS only, not the internet!! JMO

[Tracian]

I thought the drug charges each were a 25 year mandatory/minimum?


Only if they go to trial and are found guilty.

[jimbob]

Deals can always be made-

jmo

True , but only if you have something LE wants.She has something , is it deal worthy or is it a confession is a good question.

[jimbob]

Only if they go to trial and are found guilty.

It would be hard to see why they wont go to trial and considering the witnesses its a fairly safe bet they would be found guilty in my estimation.

Can you think of any reason why they shouldnt or wont go to trial for drug trafficing ?

[amglory]

I doubt, if after witholding information for almost a year, Misti is going to get any kind of deal like time served. If she knows anything, and I think she does, she's going to do some real time and she should. IMO.

[?noanswer]

It would be hard to see why they wont go to trial and considering the witnesses its a fairly safe bet they would be found guilty in my estimation.

Can you think of any reason why they shouldnt or wont go to trial for drug trafficing ?

Once the lawyers get thru with it, they might be able to get the time down to time served and fines. Good ones can do that. Don't know if any of these defendants can afford ones that are that good. JMO

[Tracian]

It would be hard to see why they wont go to trial and considering the witnesses its a fairly safe bet they would be found guilty in my estimation.

Can you think of any reason why they shouldnt or wont go to trial for drug trafficing ?


They can plea out, I really doubt that plea deals will not be offered.

[jimbob]

I doubt, if after witholding information for almost a year, Misti is going to get any kind of deal like time served. If she knows anything, and I think she does, she's going to do some real time and she should. IMO.

Thats it in the nutshell , if Misty has known all along and never said , wont it make her an accessory to any offence ?After repeatedly saying she doesnt know one would think so.

[whitney]

I doubt, if after witholding information for almost a year, Misti is going to get any kind of deal like time served. If she knows anything, and I think she does, she's going to do some real time and she should. IMO.
I think she will do some time but if she has any information about Haleigh and she talks then those trafficking charges will be lowered to less offenses. Its done all of the time and of course she would have to testify. JMO

[Mimi428]

True , but only if you have something LE wants.She has something , is it deal worthy or is it a confession is a good question.

That's my whole fear - that what Misty can tell would be incriminating to herself in a way that could potentially put her away for longer than the drug charges. That she might also be able implicate others, but the greater burden would still be on her.

JMO

[amglory]

I could see a deal on the drug charges for time served, but in the case of Haliegh no way would they let her off with spending a couple weeks in jail no matter what she tells them. IMO

[jimbob]

They can plea out, I really doubt that plea deals will not be offered.

Plea out to what exactly ? Like noanswer says , its unlikely they will have top notch lawyers.I dont see how penelties in place dont apply simply because they plead guilty.
Im sure you guys know more than i on sentencing phases , i dont see them getting off the hook at all.
Like RC said himself , he is going to the DOC , no if ands or buts.

[Mimi428]

what the heck is happening is someone shutting down the internet? I haven't been "on" in three days how can they shut all the forums down?

I think only the boards here, on the InSession website will be down - sorry for the confusion!

Here is what the message says from CW

MESSAGE BOARDS DOWN

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boards well be unavailable on Tuesday, February 2nd from 2pm for approximately 3 hours

[Justice4all]

In reference to Misty throwing people under the bus , who has she really thrown under a bus ? Her brother on some pretty dumb penny ante stuff.
Does it make anyone else wonder if she is so unhappy which seems a given , and it was within her capabilities to throw anyone under a bus and lighten her situation , wouldnt she have done so ?

IIRC didn't Misty say Tommy might have touched Haleigh because he molested her when she was younger?

[?noanswer]

Plea out to what exactly ? Like noanswer says , its unlikely they will have top notch lawyers.I dont see how penelties in place dont apply simply because they plead guilty.
Im sure you guys know more than i on sentencing phases , i dont see them getting off the hook at all.
Like RC said himself , he is going to the DOC , no if ands or buts.


One fly in the ointment could be that an attorney would claim "entrapment" and win. Don't think that will happen, butcha never know. One question, will this go to trial or just before a Judge? If it goes to trial, do they have to give them a speedy trial if they want it? How long would be consider a speedy trial? JMO

[jimbob]

IIRC didn't Misty say Tommy might have touched Haleigh because he molested her when she was younger?

Possibly , i dont put much stock in anything any one of them say any longer.Im pretty sure its been shown they are all capable of lying and have been doing so for quite some time.

[Justice4all]

They can plea out, I really doubt that plea deals will not be offered.

IMO they shouldn't be offered any pleas right now. They should all be locked away in prison for two or three years and then offer them a plea if they will cough up real info about Haleigh.

[jimbob]

One fly in the ointment could be that an attorney would claim "entrapment" and win. Don't think that will happen, but youcha never know. One question, will this go to trial or just before a Judge? If it goes to trial, do they have to give them a speedy trial if they want it? How long would be consider a speedy trial? JMO

Entrapment might be a tough one considering they were the sellers , had they been buyers i could see entrapment , not selling though.I dont think itll fly either.I would think it just goes in front of a judge but i dont know , others here will for sure.

[?noanswer]

IMO they shouldn't be offered any pleas right now. They should all be locked away in prison for two or three years and then offer them a plea if they will cough up real info about Haleigh.

I would rather them try to give a deal now and get the information sooner than later. Two or three years is much too long for the families to have to wait for a resolution in Haleigh's disappearance. JMO

[datacop]

I think Misty would protect RC at all cost.


That might change if she starts hearing more and more of what he says about her whether it really comes from his mouth or not.

[whitney]

I think Misty would protect RC at all cost.
I wonder if LE feels that one of these are responsible and if not are they still looking for someone else. JMO

[M*KAY]

True , but only if you have something LE wants.She has something , is it deal worthy or is it a confession is a good question.

With the statement she made one time about (paraphrase here)
'Don't look like things are going to get better'.... it's going to be a confession.
IMO

It needs to come now though.
HaLeigh needs to be found and brought home.
Enough already.

[?noanswer]

I wonder if LE feels that one of these are responsible and if not are they still looking for someone else. JMO

LE's statement that Misty is the key makes me believe that they think she knows something. Don't know if they think she is responsible. JMO

[Mimi428]

One fly in the ointment could be that an attorney would claim "entrapment" and win. Don't think that will happen, butcha never know. One question, will this go to trial or just before a Judge? If it goes to trial, do they have to give them a speedy trial if they want it? How long would be consider a speedy trial? JMO

Not sure if I am following your line of thought here.

What charges do you think an attorney might claim entrapment on? The drug trafficking charges - or something else?

Everyone has the right to a trial by a jury, but...if a plea deal is made, it would be something along the lines of "plead guilty to this or that, accept a sentence of X amount of time". For that, she would only need a judge.

As for a speedy trial - it just depends on what is on the docket in front of the various judges. If their dockets are heavy (& I'm sure they are), & if there is nothing compelling the DA to ask for Misty's case to get a date in court ASAP, she could cool her heels in jail for at least 6 months. However, since the drug charges revolve around all the work of the UC - his testimony, the video/audio tapes & all that jazz - the DA might be able to push for an early date in court.

I just hope she has a decent attorney to represent her, because I would hate for her to get through the system & then have an attorney pop up in a year's time & offer up credible appeal issues on her behalf.

JMO

[Justice4all]

I would rather them try to give a deal now and get the information sooner than later. Two or three years is much too long for the families to have to wait for a resolution in Haleigh's disappearance. JMO

Do you think if they offer them a plea now they will talk? I really don't.

[M*KAY]

I think she will do some time but if she has any information about Haleigh and she talks then those trafficking charges will be lowered to less offenses. Its done all of the time and of course she would have to testify. JMO

Defendants rarely testify. They don't come across very well.

MOO

[Justice4all]

I think Misty would protect RC at all cost.

IMO Misty would protect Misty at all cost.

[M*KAY]

That's my whole fear - that what Misty can tell would be incriminating to herself in a way that could potentially put her away for longer than the drug charges. That she might also be able implicate others, but the greater burden would still be on her.

JMO

:thumbsup: Ditto!

[?noanswer]

Do you think if they offer them a plea now they will talk? I really don't.


Would probably depend on the deal and what they would have to say to get it. JMO

[jimbob]

IMO Misty would protect Misty at all cost.

She hasnt shown shes even remotely capable of that , im at a loss why she is credited as being so clever or capable , she clearly is not the brightest crayon in the box.

[Mimi428]

That might change if she starts hearing more and more of what he says about her whether it really comes from his mouth or not.

Oh yeah! ITA on that - let RC make phone call after phone call & get visit after visit. Same for the rest of them. Somewhere in there somebody is going to say something about Misty that won't be at all nice. Then play the tapes for her.

That could work whether it's Tommy, Misty or Ron - let Misty hear what Donna B has to say about her. Let Tommy hear what Misty has to say about him. And on & on & on.

JMO

[KaraokeDiva]

IMO they shouldn't be offered any pleas right now. They should all be locked away in prison for two or three years and then offer them a plea if they will cough up real info about Haleigh.

I think post conviction or plea is too late to be offering a deal for info. Once convicted and sentenced, mandatory time would be in place that couldn't be taken away in exchange for information.

jmo

[Mimi428]

IMO Misty would protect Misty at all cost.

And in that vein, it has been looking pretty obvious (to me, anyway) that Ron ultimately is the one who has been protecting Misty at all costs.

LE has said Misty holds the key. For that reason, I can certainly understand why she would make every effort to protect herself.

But why the heck is RON protecting her??? That's the aspect that has shocked & horrified me for dang near a year's time, now.

JMO

[gotmilk?]

One would think so. Maybe the only person she could throw under the bus re Haleigh's disappearance is MC, herself. Or maybe she really doesn't know. I don't think she would be afraid of anyone cause if they were arrested they couldn't harm her. JMO


I think she has several people she can throw under the bus, namely any participants at the party Joe Pytko told police about.

[?noanswer]

I think post conviction or plea is too late to be offering a deal for info. Once convicted and sentenced, mandatory time would be in place that couldn't be taken away in exchange for information.

jmo

I think you are correct. Wish I had thought of that!! JMO

[gotmilk?]

what the heck is happening is someone shutting down the internet? I haven't been "on" in three days how can they shut all the forums down?



InSessions is shutting down for a few hours. Probably for routine maintenance.

[M*KAY]

IIRC didn't Misty say Tommy might have touched Haleigh because he molested her when she was younger?

Putting this together only in my mind, here is what "I see" after the last few days:

* The LE dispatch to Tyler around 2:30 is from a fight between Misty and Tommy. (reports of loud voices)

* Misty may have seen something, tried to stop it and HaLeigh was hurt..

* The van with scratch was borrowed/stolen (reported calls to Timmy before 911 call)

* HaLeigh moved

* Back to Green, door bricked (reports of loud car/truck by neighbors)

* Ron drives up and it begins.


MOO Maybe What if?

[Saint Viva]

If Misty told the truth about what happened to HaLeigh, and got an involuntary manslaughter, or whatever, even life with the chance of parole, its still less than what she is looking at with all her other charges put together- A Judge can always dismiss the trafficking charges in lieu of a deal where she pleads guilty to something like a Involuntary manslaughter, if it leads to getting down to what happened to HaLeigh-

jmo

[?noanswer]

At this point, I don't care who is responsible for Haleigh's disappearance and what their punishment would be. I just want the mystery solved. When that happens, then I will have an opinion on the punishment.

JMO

[gotmilk?]

If Misty told the truth about what happened to HaLeigh, and got an involuntary manslaughter, or whatever, even life with the chance of parole, its still less than what she is looking at with all her other charges put together- A Judge can always dismiss the trafficking charges in lieu of a deal where she pleads guilty to something like a Involuntary manslaughter, if it leads to getting down to what happened to HaLeigh-

jmo



IMO Misty will never get an involuntary manslaughter charge. It has gone on too long for that.

[M*KAY]

I think Misty would protect RC at all cost.

She might. At first.

But in a few years... after she hears Ron has moved on... remarried... living free... etc ..she'll tell it all then if he is involved.

There is no statute of limitations on murder if that is what she's protecting him from.

MOO

[HouseOfClark]

She might. At first.

But in a few years... after she hears Ron has moved on... remarried... living free... etc ..she'll tell it all then if he is involved.

There is no statute of limitations on murder if that is what she's protecting him from.

MOO

Provided he is not serving his own 43 year sentence for the drug trafficking (IF convicted).

IMO, if he ends up with no conviction and she does - then (and probably only then) will she tell anything that might implicate him.

JMO though.

[Justice4all]

I think Misty would protect RC at all cost.

Then why doesn't she take the fall for him?

[Justice4all]

I'm slowly becoming convinced that PCLE is brillant. They have all the players just where they want them. I wonder who will cave first...

moo

What if none of them cave?

[Justice4all]

I wouldn't rule it out yet. Its only been 10 days. Who do you think is the weakest link?

Oh I'm not ruling anything out.
I think Misty and Tommy will start chewing each other any time now.


MOO

[Justice4all]

HA! Have to agree on that one and up until the arrests, I thought just the opposite.

I'll start thinking they are brilliant when haleigh comes home and justice is served.

[M*KAY]

Sorry to repeat myself but I posted my "newest theory" just before IS went down.

Putting this together only in my mind, here is what "I see" after the last few days:

* The LE dispatch to Tyler around 2:30 is from a fight between Misty and Tommy. (reports of loud voices)

* Misty may have seen something, tried to stop it and HaLeigh was hurt..

* The van with scratch was borrowed/stolen (reported calls to Timmy before 911 call)

* HaLeigh moved

* Back to Green, door bricked (reports of loud car/truck by neighbors)

* Ron drives up and it begins.


MOO Maybe What if?


It's been a year.
We still have very little info.

Where do YOU stand on what may have happened that early morning 2/10/2009??

[?noanswer]

Sorry to repeat myself but I posted my "newest theory" just before IS went down.

Putting this together only in my mind, here is what "I see" after the last few days:

* The LE dispatch to Tyler around 2:30 is from a fight between Misty and Tommy. (reports of loud voices) This has not been stated by LE. Only posters opinions. IMO, I don't think LE went there before they went to Green

* Misty may have seen something, tried to stop it and HaLeigh was hurt..

* The van with scratch was borrowed/stolen (reported calls to Timmy before 911 call) LE released van, said found no evidence

* HaLeigh moved

* Back to Green, door bricked (reports of loud car/truck by neighbors)

* Ron drives up and it begins.


MOO Maybe What if?


It's been a year.
We still have very little info.

Where do YOU stand on what may have happened that early morning 2/10/2009??

My response in red.

I have no idea what might have happened. The only thing I have changed my mind about is Misty is not the timid individual that I thought she was in the beginning.

JMO

[Justice4all]

My response in red.

I have no idea what might have happened. The only thing I have changed my mind about is Misty is not the timid individual that I thought she was in the beginning.

JMO

Wasn't there a video of a neighbor talking about the loud voices about 2:30?

[gotmilk?]

Sorry to repeat myself but I posted my "newest theory" just before IS went down.

Putting this together only in my mind, here is what "I see" after the last few days:

* The LE dispatch to Tyler around 2:30 is from a fight between Misty and Tommy. (reports of loud voices)

* Misty may have seen something, tried to stop it and HaLeigh was hurt..

* The van with scratch was borrowed/stolen (reported calls to Timmy before 911 call)

* HaLeigh moved

* Back to Green, door bricked (reports of loud car/truck by neighbors)

* Ron drives up and it begins.


MOO Maybe What if?


It's been a year.
We still have very little info.

Where do YOU stand on what may have happened that early morning 2/10/2009??


I think the police should go back to the Mondex area and start draining/searching other ponds. I think the party that Pytko reported to LE really did happen that night.

[Justice4all]

Misty Croslin cracks behind bars! She turns on her own brother, setting him up for more criminal charges. What more will Haleigh's former stepmom/babysitter reveal behind bars?


http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

[gotmilk?]

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/


Any coverage will probably be preempted after TS' arrest today in the baby Gabriel case.

[M*KAY]

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

NG won't draw me in with her bogus "bombshell" taunts.

We here on IS will know 2 days before NG gets wind of the actual tapes.

MOO

[HouseOfClark]

NG won't draw me in with her bogus "bombshell" taunts.

We here on IS will know 2 days before NG gets wind of the actual tapes.

MOO

And we all know that tattling about your brother's soap stealing (in which IMO you were involved in too) is hardly "cracking" behind bars.

JMO

[HouseOfClark]

I wouldn't rule it out yet. Its only been 10 days. Who do you think is the weakest link?

IMO, the weakest link is Tommy.

IF he had any hint or involvement in Haleigh's disappearance or even thinks he knows who does, he'll be the first to cave.

Right now they all have 3 hots and a cot, but it's the isolation that'll get to them - social butterflies all.

JMO

[?noanswer]

IMO, the weakest link is Tommy.

IF he had any hint or involvement in Haleigh's disappearance or even thinks he knows who does, he'll be the first to cave.

Right now they all have 3 hots and a cot, but it's the isolation that'll get to them - social butterflies all.

JMO

Probably the first time they have had 3 meals a day in a long time. I always think of people that are sent to prison such as Phil Spector and Bernie Madoff. Both of them had been living a life of luxury+. Anything, everything they wanted and always a crowd of adorers at their feet. If I compare those to the Satsuma 4+1 crowd, they had to give up so many more material things. Know PS and BM used the alcohol drug, but I don't know about prescription drugs. I would think the withdrawals would be the hardest thing for them behind bars. I guess by now, they are getting used to it. Having said all that, I am glad I am not in prison and don't ever intend to be. JMO

[gotmilk?]

Probably the first time they have had 3 meals a day in a long time. I always think of people that are sent to prison such as Phil Spector and Bernie Madoff. Both of them had been living a life of luxury+. Anything, everything they wanted and always a crowd of adorers at their feet. If I compare those to the Satsuma 4+1 crowd, they had to give up so many more material things. Know PS and BM used the alcohol drug, but I don't know about prescription drugs. I would think the withdrawals would be the hardest thing for them behind bars. I guess by now, they are getting used to it. Having said all that, I am glad I am not in prison and don't ever intend to be. JMO


Ronald's interview was 4 days after his arrest. He didn't sound like an addict who is in withdrawals.

[Bezerk]

I just wish 1 of them would talk. Mainly Misty and tell LE where Haleigh is. This has went on for almost a year now. :(

[5swab5]

I wouldn't rule it out yet. Its only been 10 days. Who do you think is the weakest link?

From what I heard on Nancy's show. It just might be Ron. He said a person could go crazy "in there" (jail cell). Because it is only as big as two sheets of plywood. MOO

[datacop]

Any coverage will probably be preempted after TS' arrest today in the baby Gabriel case.

Actually, that could be good. In less than 2 weeks, 2 of her "favorites" have been arrested. Having her like a person is just not good.

[?noanswer]

Ronald's interview was 4 days after his arrest. He didn't sound like an addict who is in withdrawals.


Never said he was an addict. When one is in jail/prison they have everything they were used to except food and what they call a bed taken away. One would think that would be hard to withdraw from. JMO

[gotmilk?]

Never said he was an addict. When you are in jail/prison you have everything you were used to except food and what they call a bed taken away. One would think that would be hard to withdraw from. JMO


I didn't say you did. Your post talked about withdrawing which is why I quoted it. To me he didn't sound like he was withdrawing from drugs.

[?noanswer]

I didn't say you did. Your post talked about withdrawing which is why I quoted it. To me he didn't sound like he was withdrawing from drugs.

I agree, he sounded like he always did. JMO

[datacop]

I agree, he sounded like he always did. JMO


I thought he sounded totally different.

[?noanswer]

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2010-01-11/story/video_visits_reduce_headaches_for_north_florida_ja ilers


Says some counties, one of which is Putnam and another Flagler do not have video visitation systems.

Does that mean that RC's visit with his mother was not recorded?

St. John's Co. does have it.

JMO

[Mimi428]

And we all know that tattling about your brother's soap stealing (in which IMO you were involved in too) is hardly "cracking" behind bars.

JMO

I agree, I just don't see how tattling that Tommy took the soap (does that sound like a kid scenario, or what?) is even distantly related to "cracking". I haven't watched NG with any regularity in several years & the superfluous melodrama is the primary reason.

JMO

[Mimi428]

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2010-01-11/story/video_visits_reduce_headaches_for_north_florida_ja ilers


Says some counties, one of which is Putnam and another Flagler do not have video visitation systems.

Does that mean that RC's visit with his mother was not recorded?

St. John's Co. does have it.

JMO

N/A?, I can't get the link to open up (been having PC problems all day today), but if that article is the same as the one the other day, I believe RC's visit with his mom was recorded.

I believe the video visitations they are referring to are the kind where the visitor goes to a remote location & never goes to the facility where the inmate is located.

If Teresa went to see Ron at the jailhouse - & the visit was the kind where he is on one side of the glass & she is on the other side & they talk over the phone, I am sure it was recorded.

JMO

[HenLee]

He sounded congested to me. A runny nose is a sign of withdrawal. This really made me chuckle. People who live in Florida live with allergies which causes running nose cough and congestion. We are also going through the coldest winter with weather breaking temperatures. My home is full of allergy and cold medicine from over the counter. So my point is you are really stretching.....

[HenLee]

N/A?, I can't get the link to open up (been having PC problems all day today), but if that article is the same as the one the other day, I believe RC's visit with his mom was recorded.

I believe the video visitations they are referring to are the kind where the visitor goes to a remote location & never goes to the facility where the inmate is located.

If Teresa went to see Ron at the jailhouse - & the visit was the kind where he is on one side of the glass & she is on the other side & they talk over the phone, I am sure it was recorded.

JMO I think you are right about conversations being recorded, maybe not videoed. MOO

[?noanswer]

N/A?, I can't get the link to open up (been having PC problems all day today), but if that article is the same as the one the other day, I believe RC's visit with his mom was recorded.

I believe the video visitations they are referring to are the kind where the visitor goes to a remote location & never goes to the facility where the inmate is located.

If Teresa went to see Ron at the jailhouse - & the visit was the kind where he is on one side of the glass & she is on the other side & they talk over the phone, I am sure it was recorded.

JMO

Thanks

JMO

[?noanswer]

Has anyone seen anything official that says MC's bond was reduced? I haven't. JMO

[M*KAY]

And we all know that tattling about your brother's soap stealing (in which IMO you were involved in too) is hardly "cracking" behind bars.

JMO

Indeed! :biggrin:

[M*KAY]

Ronald's interview was 4 days after his arrest. He didn't sound like an addict who is in withdrawals.

Even in the goofy St. Johns' booking photo, Ron's eyes don't seem 'pin point' (but may be my software when enlarged).

MOO

[datacop]

I just read over at AH's that he is scheduled to be on NG tonight and it appears to have been posted within the last hour.

[M*KAY]

He sounded congested to me. A runny nose is a sign of withdrawal.

It's winter. The congestion could be a cold.
Or crying because he was locked up.

May have been the quality of the speaker in the jail.

MOO

[Tracian]

Sudden stoppage of oxycontin can result in serious withdrawal symptoms. The withdrawal syndrome may be characterized by restlessness, lacrimation, restlessness, anxiety, rhinorrhea, yawning, perspiration, chills, myalgia, and mydriasis. Other symptoms also may develop, include irritability, vague pain, weakness, abdominal cramps, insomnia, nausea, anorexia, vomiting, diarrhea, or increased blood pressure, respiratory rate, or heart rate

http://www.addictionsearch.com/treatment_articles/article/oxycontin-addiction-abuse-and-treatment_16.html


I would think if any of them were serious addicts they would be medically monitored.

[KaraokeDiva]

Ronald's interview was 4 days after his arrest. He didn't sound like an addict who is in withdrawals.What does an addict in withdrawal sound like?

I know some drugs have severe withdrawal symptoms...but aside from heroine and alcohol I'm not sure of what they might be...

[KaraokeDiva]

Sudden stoppage of oxycontin can result in serious withdrawal symptoms. The withdrawal syndrome may be characterized by restlessness, lacrimation, restlessness, anxiety, rhinorrhea, yawning, perspiration, chills, myalgia, and mydriasis. Other symptoms also may develop, include irritability, vague pain, weakness, abdominal cramps, insomnia, nausea, anorexia, vomiting, diarrhea, or increased blood pressure, respiratory rate, or heart rate

http://www.addictionsearch.com/treatment_articles/article/oxycontin-addiction-abuse-and-treatment_16.html


I would think if any of them were serious addicts they would be medically monitored.
I should have kept reading but none of those symptoms sound like something that couldn't be hidden during a short telephone interview IMO.

[Themis]

IMO, the weakest link is Tommy.

IF he had any hint or involvement in Haleigh's disappearance or even thinks he knows who does, he'll be the first to cave.

Right now they all have 3 hots and a cot, but it's the isolation that'll get to them - social butterflies all.

JMO
Depending on what she knows, I think Hope Sykes may be the weakest link. She's 18 (BD 3-24-91), reported to be a friend of Misty, and is Ronald's cousin. She was arrested 2 times in 2009 and this drug trafficking arrest is her 2nd bust in 2010. If she has been privy to what really happened to Haleigh and can give them what they want and need, the State may be open to deal with her.

Of course, this presents a sad state of affairs for GGM-S; i.e., 2 of her grandchildren swept up in major felony drug trafficking. Then add into the mix this involves both of her daughters and 2 of their children.

BTW, H.O.C., my shared information from very early this morning came from CNN -- not Art Harris.
I still have not read A.H.'s article but since you referred to it, I'll do so ... thanks! [JMO * Themis]

[datacop]

They are dangling names in front of Misty.

(Art Harris on Nancy)

[Saint Viva]

Wonder what names???

[datacop]

Wonder what names???

big question now in Putnam County

[jimbob]

On Mistys arrest report theres mention she wasnt alone , an unidentified female called Kelly ?
If undercover were right there in the car how can this be an unidentified female ?

Also the deal that got Misty busted she took the cops to another house where she went in and came out with the drugs..why wasnt the person in that house busted?

[KaraokeDiva]

Did Ron really refer to his daughter as a woman in that interview?

Most men don't even see their mothers as women (mothers are asexual beings to most young men) But Haleigh as a woman???

[gotmilk?]

What does an addict in withdrawal sound like?

I know some drugs have severe withdrawal symptoms...but aside from heroine and alcohol I'm not sure of what they might be...


Jittery. I don't know how better to explain it but they would have a jittery sound to their voice and I didn't hear that with Ron.

[datacop]

Has anyone seen a transcript of Ron's jail house tape?

[gotmilk?]

Nancy and Mark Klass agree that the "four" people Misty spoke about in her hypnosis state really did occur the night Haleigh went missing. If true, anyone want to venture who the four were that Misty saw in her dream like state, ( or drug induced).


Nay Nay, Greg Page, possibly his roommate Chad and Tommy. That's my guess.

[jimbob]

Has anyone seen a transcript of Ron's jail house tape?

Which one ? The Flagler one i seen on Phillies blurb.com a day or two ago

[KaraokeDiva]

I didn't catch that, but boy, if he said that...speechless.

It was in reference to his tats. He said something about "with age comes wisdom" and he only has the names of 2 women tattooed on his body...his mother and his daughter. And he definitely said women.

I don't think my son (age 32 ) can easily think of me as a woman yet....

[jimbob]

Interesting that Ron thinks someone killed Haleigh.

I caught that too , did Ron say that or did the presenter have a slip of the tongue ?

[datacop]

Which one ? The Flagler one i seen on Phillies blurb.com a day or two ago

Thanks. I'll try there..

There was something a caller on NG made that I want to see.

[Tracian]

Interesting that Ron thinks someone killed Haleigh.


He never said that on the tape, he said took her.

[Lynn Gweeny]

Has anyone seen a transcript of Ron's jail house tape?


Only the transcript from the NG shows that air the jailhouse interview audio. This is what I could find about the caller mentioning 'two people', but not sure if this was what the caller was referring to.

CUMMINGS: That still remains that it don`t matter, 40, 50 years from now, if I find out whoever done it before they do, you know, whatever might be done, whether they took Haleigh because they lost a child or whatever the case might be, you know. Yes, if I find out who or however, there`s two people, three people, whatever did it, whatever took my daughter wherever, then when I find out, if I find out before the police, it`s going to be done for them, done dealing. I`ll have satisfaction knowing that I got the person who stole my daughter from me.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/28/ng.01.html

[jimbob]

Thanks. I'll try there..

There was something a caller on NG made that I want to see.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2010m2d2-HaLeigh-Cummings-case-Read-incident-report-510-regarding-drug-bust-of-Ronald-Cummings

Ill see if i can find it again , might have been on this site too

[datacop]

Only the transcript from the NG shows that air the jailhouse interview audio. This is what I could find about the caller mentioning 'two people', but not sure if this was what the caller was referring to.

CUMMINGS: That still remains that it don`t matter, 40, 50 years from now, if I find out whoever done it before they do, you know, whatever might be done, whether they took Haleigh because they lost a child or whatever the case might be, you know. Yes, if I find out who or however, there`s two people, three people, whatever did it, whatever took my daughter wherever, then when I find out, if I find out before the police, it`s going to be done for them, done dealing. I`ll have satisfaction knowing that I got the person who stole my daughter from me.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/28/ng.01.html


You're great as usual. He's definitely using plural.

[datacop]

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2010m2d2-HaLeigh-Cummings-case-Read-incident-report-510-regarding-drug-bust-of-Ronald-Cummings

Ill see if i can find it again , might have been on this site too


Thanks. Lynn's found what I think we're looking for. Ron seems to "think" there were 2-3 people.

[gotmilk?]

You're great as usual. He's definitely using plural.


The last sentence was singular..."I`ll have satisfaction knowing that I got the person who stole my daughter from me."

When listening to it it sounds to me like he's saying even if there are 2 or 3 people.

[datacop]

Wish I could get through & tell Nancy that her bombshell tapes are almost a week old.

[HenLee]

Did Ron really refer to his daughter as a woman in that interview?

Most men don't even see their mothers as women (mothers are asexual beings to most young men) But Haleigh as a woman??? Just a figure of speech IMO. He was making a point he had NO other females names on his body.

[Bezerk]

The "done dealing" is what grabbed me. Was Ron "dealing" with these "two or three"? Hmm, there's that #3 again....keeps cropping up throught this case.

Good catch that run across my mind as well. Sounded like he knew who he was dealing with. And had someone specific in mind. Just my opinion.

[KaraokeDiva]

Jittery. I don't know how better to explain it but they would have a jittery sound to their voice and I didn't hear that with Ron.
Curiosity...how many people going through withdrawal have you listened to? (in real life, not movies/tv shows...excluding documentaries)

[Bezerk]

Wish I could get through & tell Nancy that her bombshell tapes are almost a week old.

:thumbsup: Does anyone have a email address for Nancy Grace? I'd like to voice my opinion as well.

[datacop]

Ron still in isolation.

[KaraokeDiva]

Just a figure of speech IMO. He was making a point he had NO other females names on his body.Ya think????

[HenLee]

The "done dealing" is what grabbed me. Was Ron "dealing" with these "two or three"? Hmm, there's that #3 again....keeps cropping up throught this case.Slang, darn, get yourself a Souther dictionary up to HS level. LOL

[gotmilk?]

Curiosity...how many people going through withdrawal have you listened to? (in real life, not movies/tv shows...excluding documentaries)


Several. And they all had a jittery sound in their voices.

[datacop]

Did anyone understand what Art was talking about with Misty not wanting to babysit that night?

She called TN and offered to pay her?

[HenLee]

Ya think????
Yes I do. Uneducated, not necessarily, just the way people raised in the south even with college degrees still revert back to slang. MOO
Compare it to a parent understanding their child's speech and another southerner understanding another Southerner talk.

[datacop]

Ron is getting a lot less privileges in jail than the "key to the case."

:lol: Poor guy.

[KaraokeDiva]

Several. And they all had a jittery sound in their voices.I'll have to take your word on that but my own experience has been different. :shrug:

[HenLee]

Did anyone understand what Art was talking about with Misty not wanting to babysit that night?

She called TN and offered to pay her? I thought Misty called Ronald wanting to baby sit two other kids and he said NO.:w00t:

[Lynn Gweeny]

Did anyone understand what Art was talking about with Misty not wanting to babysit that night?

She called TN and offered to pay her?


Yes, and something about being 'too tired', but wasn't listening closely so waiting for the transcript. :unsure:

[M*KAY]

Nancy and Mark Klass agree that the "four" people Misty spoke about in her hypnosis state really did occur the night Haleigh went missing. If true, anyone want to venture who the four were that Misty saw in her dream like state, ( or drug induced).

Did AH say four men?

[datacop]

Pay TN? With what?

I know. It didn't make sense. Supposedly it will be in this tapes.

[KaraokeDiva]

Yes I do. Uneducated, not necessarily, just the way people raised in the south even with college degrees still revert back to slang. MOO
Compare it to a parent understanding their child's speech and another southerner understanding another Southerner talk.
I understand what you're saying and I have become accustomed to southerner speech in the last 10 years. I still disagree with your view here but I do appreciate your cordial response. :)

[HenLee]

Henlee do you travel? Done deal is slang everywhere across this country. :huh:
LOL, No I have been locked in my home all my life. But remember each part of the country has their on slang Right... But even if you don't travel I am sure you have noticed that in movies and documentary's..
There is a published Southern dictionary. LOL Check it out.

[Ruff]

You're great as usual. He's definitely using plural.

Or, it could be just poor grammar. It makes me cringe how some FB applications say the same thing. "A pink cow has wandered onto your farm. Do you want to adopt them ? Arg.

[SilentSanity]

Did anyone understand what Art was talking about with Misty not wanting to babysit that night?

She called TN and offered to pay her?

No I went back and listened to that part three times and it still didn't make sense. I thought he was saying TN offered to pay Misty to stay with the kids? But I'm not sure at all. He kept referring to Lindsy too :confused: He said it's all on the tapes, so I guess we find out when we get to hear them ourselves. I hope.

[HenLee]

I understand what you're saying and I have become accustomed to southerner speech in the last 10 years. I still disagree with your view here but I do appreciate your cordial response. :) Just trying to keep things light tonight. Been a good day.:wink:

[M*KAY]

I caught that too , did Ron say that or did the presenter have a slip of the tongue ?

The presenter.
The tapes show what Ron said.

[HenLee]

Or, it could be just poor grammar. It makes me cringe how some FB applications say the same thing. "A pink cow has wandered onto your farm. Do you want to adopt them ? Arg.Now in the south that would be a female cow. LOL

[datacop]

Or, it could be just poor grammar. It makes me cringe how some FB applications say the same thing. "A pink cow has wandered onto your farm. Do you want to adopt them ? Arg.


He said 2 or 3 ...

[KaraokeDiva]

Just trying to keep things light tonight. Been a good day.:wink:
In that case, let me buy you a drink. :)

I am certainly in a good mood now as I'm watching "Kitchen Nightmares"

[gotmilk?]

He said 2 or 3 ...



Then after that he said the person.

[HenLee]

In that case, let me buy you a drink. :)

I am certainly in a good mood now as I'm watching "Kitchen Nightmares" "clink" thank you.:smile:

[jimbob]

I'm just saying that done deal is a very common slang used everywhere.

Allergies are common too, lol.

True enough , im from the UK and its a pretty commen term there too,most americanisms are.

[M*KAY]

Only the transcript from the NG shows that air the jailhouse interview audio. This is what I could find about the caller mentioning 'two people', but not sure if this was what the caller was referring to.

CUMMINGS: That still remains that it don`t matter, 40, 50 years from now, if I find out whoever done it before they do, you know, whatever might be done, whether they took Haleigh because they lost a child or whatever the case might be, you know. Yes, if I find out who or however, there`s two people, three people, whatever did it, whatever took my daughter wherever, then when I find out, if I find out before the police, it`s going to be done for them, done dealing. I`ll have satisfaction knowing that I got the person who stole my daughter from me.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/28/ng.01.html

Thanks for the link Lynn.

I took Ron to mean he would kill one, two, three... however many people he had to. :shrug:

[HenLee]

Then after that he said the person.

gottmilk, Interpretation. If he finds who took his child he intends to shoot their azzes, be there one, two three. I believe him, my son said the same thing if someone hurt his children. Southern men have a tendency to be very protective when it comes to their family. More so I think, then other parts of the country. Not saying they love them more just part of their upbringing.

[M*KAY]

Slang, darn, get yourself a Souther dictionary up to HS level. LOL

You laugh but I seriously think you nailed it.
It's the dialect.

[gotmilk?]

gottmilk, Interpretation. If he finds who took his child he intends to shoot their azzes, be there one, two three. I believe him, my son said the same thing if someone hurt his children. Southern men have a tendency to be very protective when it comes to their family. More so I think, then other parts of the country. Not saying they love them more just part of their upbringing.


Yeah I took it the same way....even if there were 2 or 3.

[jimbob]

gottmilk, Interpretation. If he finds who took his child he intends to shoot their azzes, be there one, two three. I believe him, my son said the same thing if someone hurt his children. Southern men have a tendency to be very protective when it comes to their family. More so I think, then other parts of the country. Not saying they love them more just part of their upbringing.

Like Ron has? Being southern doesnt make a person anything special or different.

[M*KAY]

Did anyone understand what Art was talking about with Misty not wanting to babysit that night?

She called TN and offered to pay her?

If proven to be true, that puts a whole new spin on this case.

[HenLee]

You laugh but I seriously think you nailed it.
It's the dialect.
I am serious MKAY, unless someone is familiar with how someone speaks their statement can be misunderstood very easily. You either love or hate the south's dialect. I hate it but then I have it.

[M*KAY]

The "done dealing" is what grabbed me. Was Ron "dealing" with these "two or three"? Hmm, there's that #3 again....keeps cropping up throught this case.

Have you seen this from WS? Post #1209
The 3.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4760935#post4760935

[KatieLady]

If proven to be true, that puts a whole new spin on this case.

I vaguely remember a story early on that one of her brothers wanted her to babysit that night.

Could Nancy have gotten it confused :wink:

[HenLee]

I sure wish Ron had been "very protective" of Haleigh the night he left her with a teen who was just coming off a three day binge.

mooLike most everyone " it won't happen to one of my family members". Very naive I know but who would have ever thought the Twin Towers would have been hit by terrorist. It's called "hind sight is 20/20. JMOO

[HenLee]

I vaguely remember a story early on that one of her brothers wanted her to babysit that night.

Could Nancy have gotten it confused :wink:KatieLady, that is what I seem to recall also. I could be wrong, I was wrong once before. KIDDING...

[Lynn Gweeny]

I vaguely remember a story early on that one of her brothers wanted her to babysit that night.

Could Nancy have gotten it confused :wink:


T.J. HART, PROGRAM & NEWS DIR., WSKY 97.3FM (via phone): I can tell you that there was indeed that big disagreement but it wasn`t over a weekend of partying. It was Misty wanting to baby-sit some other children but not certain just who those other children were.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/04/ng.01.html

[Justice4all]

Have you seen this from WS? Post #1209
The 3.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4760935#post4760935

wow very eerie since Tommy's wife thought he was out in his boat fishing the night Haleigh went missing :blink:

[Tracian]

Well, Guess it boils down to which story does one want to believe.

[datacop]

I vaguely remember a story early on that one of her brothers wanted her to babysit that night.

Could Nancy have gotten it confused :wink:

This was something that Art said, not Nancy. It was real confusing 'cause he had been talking to Tommy's wife and then said something that is supposedly in the tapes.

[M*KAY]

I vaguely remember a story early on that one of her brothers wanted her to babysit that night.

Could Nancy have gotten it confused :wink:

:ohmy: Miss Nancy?

[HenLee]

T.J. HART, PROGRAM & NEWS DIR., WSKY 97.3FM (via phone): I can tell you that there was indeed that big disagreement but it wasn`t over a weekend of partying. It was Misty wanting to baby-sit some other children but not certain just who those other children were.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/04/ng.01.html
Thank you Lynn, what would we do without you? Hope we never have to find out.:wub:

[M*KAY]

wow very eerie since Tommy's wife thought he was out in his boat fishing the night Haleigh went missing :blink:

What? I've never heard that before!
Is there something in the links thread? TIA

[HenLee]

wow very eerie since Tommy's wife thought he was out in his boat fishing the night Haleigh went missing :blink:
Is that third hand gossip or proof she made that statement? I know Tommy is getting more and more suspicious to me. I did not know Tommy had a boat available to him.

[Justice4all]

T.J. HART, PROGRAM & NEWS DIR., WSKY 97.3FM (via phone): I can tell you that there was indeed that big disagreement but it wasn`t over a weekend of partying. It was Misty wanting to baby-sit some other children but not certain just who those other children were.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/04/ng.01.html

Lynn do you know where the link is where Lindsy talks about Tommy out fishing the night Haleigh went missing?

[Justice4all]

What? I've never heard that before!
Is there something in the links thread? TIA

My computer crashed and I lost all my bookmarks so I'll go look for it.

[Lynn Gweeny]

What? I've never heard that before!
Is there something in the links thread? TIA

Here's a cached post that mentions fishing, but not specific to the night of February 9.

09-19-2009, 02:36 AM
Justice4all
Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 6,949

I wish the quote button would work

04-13-2009, 01:02 PM
Politigal


I've been researching Misty's brother more - Hank Thomas Croslin, JR - who resides at 116 Tyler with Lindsy...and who came to visit the evening Haleigh disappeared.

I previously posted about criminal records from when he was 16 - 1) felony battery and 2) disturbing a school or religious function and last night I was looking into Volusia county records since he also lived in Daytona Beach area with Misty, and Lindsy filed domestic violence charges against him in '04 I believe, but there was also a suit filed by Ford Motor Credit which I assume is on a vehicle, but the timing of the last entry was rather curious IMO - 2/02/09 - where there was a motion compelling him to appear because of the $13K he owes. This was only 1 wk before Haleigh disappeared.

I've read in lots of other cases about pre-crime stressers that spur the perpetrators to commit their crimes, and wondered if this could possibly be one of those stressers....

I also found the cached version of Lindsy's myspace where her friend commented in early January to her "no word from Tommy?" as if he had taken off somewhere for a time....and Lindsy was feeling neglected. Lindsy also wrote that Tommy fishes all the time and that she doesn't, and she wanted him to stop.

Anyway, I hope that police will take a closer look at Tommy, and at his favorite fishing spots.

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:AcEdrqY9cAAJ:courttv-mb1.courttv.com/showthread.php%3Ft%3D358623%26page%3D18+lindsy+cro slin+tommy+fishing&cd=16&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

[Justice4all]

Is that third hand gossip or proof she made that statement? I know Tommy is getting more and more suspicious to me. I did not know Tommy had a boat available to him.

Well I believe she told it to Art Harris but then again without a video of her actually saying it I have no clue if she really said it or not. I'll go look for a link.

[SilentSanity]

This was something that Art said, not Nancy. It was real confusing 'cause he had been talking to Tommy's wife and then said something that is supposedly in the tapes.


And he kept using the word she leaving it impossible to know who he was referring to, TN or Misty, or even Lindsy who knows.. I really think he meant TN offering to pay Misty though and not the other way around. Either way he made it clear Misty did not want to babysit that night. And then he said something about she didn't know if Ron wanted her to babysit..but if he said it was ok (something to that effect). Which reminded me of when Misty wanted to babysit for her brother and Ron said no. I don't know, the whole thing made no sense. He said it was on the tapes from today, so hopefully we get those ones because I'm curious about this whole babysitting thing now...

[Justice4all]

Here's a cached post that mentions fishing, but not specific to the night of February 9.

09-19-2009, 02:36 AM
Justice4all
Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 6,949

I wish the quote button would work

04-13-2009, 01:02 PM
Politigal


I've been researching Misty's brother more - Hank Thomas Croslin, JR - who resides at 116 Tyler with Lindsy...and who came to visit the evening Haleigh disappeared.

I previously posted about criminal records from when he was 16 - 1) felony battery and 2) disturbing a school or religious function and last night I was looking into Volusia county records since he also lived in Daytona Beach area with Misty, and Lindsy filed domestic violence charges against him in '04 I believe, but there was also a suit filed by Ford Motor Credit which I assume is on a vehicle, but the timing of the last entry was rather curious IMO - 2/02/09 - where there was a motion compelling him to appear because of the $13K he owes. This was only 1 wk before Haleigh disappeared.

I've read in lots of other cases about pre-crime stressers that spur the perpetrators to commit their crimes, and wondered if this could possibly be one of those stressers....

I also found the cached version of Lindsy's myspace where her friend commented in early January to her "no word from Tommy?" as if he had taken off somewhere for a time....and Lindsy was feeling neglected. Lindsy also wrote that Tommy fishes all the time and that she doesn't, and she wanted him to stop.

Anyway, I hope that police will take a closer look at Tommy, and at his favorite fishing spots.

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:AcEdrqY9cAAJ:courttv-mb1.courttv.com/showthread.php%3Ft%3D358623%26page%3D18+lindsy+cro slin+tommy+fishing&cd=16&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


TY Lynn you are the best

[M*KAY]

Here's a cached post that mentions fishing, but not specific to the night of February 9.

09-19-2009, 02:36 AM
Justice4all
Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 6,949

I wish the quote button would work

04-13-2009, 01:02 PM
Politigal


I've been researching Misty's brother more - Hank Thomas Croslin, JR - who resides at 116 Tyler with Lindsy...and who came to visit the evening Haleigh disappeared.

I previously posted about criminal records from when he was 16 - 1) felony battery and 2) disturbing a school or religious function and last night I was looking into Volusia county records since he also lived in Daytona Beach area with Misty, and Lindsy filed domestic violence charges against him in '04 I believe, but there was also a suit filed by Ford Motor Credit which I assume is on a vehicle, but the timing of the last entry was rather curious IMO - 2/02/09 - where there was a motion compelling him to appear because of the $13K he owes. This was only 1 wk before Haleigh disappeared.

I've read in lots of other cases about pre-crime stressers that spur the perpetrators to commit their crimes, and wondered if this could possibly be one of those stressers....

I also found the cached version of Lindsy's myspace where her friend commented in early January to her "no word from Tommy?" as if he had taken off somewhere for a time....and Lindsy was feeling neglected. Lindsy also wrote that Tommy fishes all the time and that she doesn't, and she wanted him to stop.

Anyway, I hope that police will take a closer look at Tommy, and at his favorite fishing spots.

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:AcEdrqY9cAAJ:courttv-mb1.courttv.com/showthread.php%3Ft%3D358623%26page%3D18+lindsy+cro slin+tommy+fishing&cd=16&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Thanks Lynn!
Justice, I don't need a link. I had just never heard that.

MOO

[TaraCrazyHair]

I remember hearing about the fishing/boat thing

Unverified was last I heard and it dropped off the discussion

[Justice4all]

Thanks Lynn!
Justice, I don't need a link. I had just never heard that.

MOO

and then don't forget that jail house letter NayNay wrote talking about Haleigh was put in the water. I really hope LE have really checked Tommy's favorite fishing places.

[TaraCrazyHair]

And he kept using the word she leaving it impossible to know who he was referring to, TN or Misty, or even Lindsy who knows.. I really think he meant TN offering to pay Misty though and not the other way around. Either way he made it clear Misty did not want to babysit that night. And then he said something about she didn't know if Ron wanted her to babysit..but if he said it was ok (something to that effect). Which reminded me of when Misty wanted to babysit for her brother and Ron said no. I don't know, the whole thing made no sense. He said it was on the tapes from today, so hopefully we get those ones because I'm curious about this whole babysitting thing now...

How did we learn it was about babysitting? Ron telling Art?

I remember thinking when we first heard that was what the fight was about was odd ...

Especially for Misty to throw a tantrum and turn off her phone ... then Ron calling Tommy to check on her when it was over her babysitting for him

Hinky

[Justice4all]

How did we learn it was about babysitting? Ron telling Art?

I remember thinking when we first heard that was what the fight was about was odd ...

Especially for Misty to throw a tantrum and turn off her phone ... then Ron calling Tommy to check on her when it was over her babysitting for him

Hinky

IIRC it was NayNay that told AH about Misty wanted to babysit.

[TaraCrazyHair]

IIRC it was NayNay that told AH about Misty wanted to babysit.


Well heck how would she know

[gotmilk?]

Well heck how would she know


From Misty.

[Lynn Gweeny]

How did we learn it was about babysitting? Ron telling Art?

I remember thinking when we first heard that was what the fight was about was odd ...

Especially for Misty to throw a tantrum and turn off her phone ... then Ron calling Tommy to check on her when it was over her babysitting for him

Hinky

It's sounding more that it was Misty wanting someone else to babysit Haleigh and Ronald, Jr. that night because she was so tired. From listening tonight, it's unclear whether Art was saying that Misty wanted Teresa Neves to babysit or her sister in law (Chelsea or Lindsey) and she would pay them for it. Whoever it is, it was if Ron ok'd it, thus the argument on the phone perhaps?

<tapping foot waiting for either the transcript or video>

[TaraCrazyHair]

From Misty.

If she turned her phone off -- how did she talk to Naynay

[Justice4all]

Well heck how would she know

that's what she told AH...Misty told her that during the three days of drinking and drugs. Have you watched her interview w/AH?

[Justice4all]

If she turned her phone off -- how did she talk to Naynay

Was it turned off the whole time?

[gotmilk?]

If she turned her phone off -- how did she talk to Naynay



Nay Nay didn't say Misty told her about it that night. It could have been a week or even a month later.

[M*KAY]

Was it turned off the whole time?

I don't see how it could have been.

LE said she called Timmy before 911 was called.
Also wasn't it said she called her mom too or am I thinking about another case?
We know she called Ron (he said he was almost home and didn't pick up)

MOO

[datacop]

That would indicate that MIsty would have had to call one, two or three people that night to babysit the children. Teresa, Chelsea or Lindsey. For that matter, why didn't she just ask Mrs. Sykes when she dropped by with the laundry?


seems more questionable that she was even there

[gotmilk?]

So the 2 or 3 debate was because a caller misinterpreted what Ron said? He never said "those 2" like the caller claimed.

[gotmilk?]

I don't see how it could have been.

LE said she called Timmy before 911 was called.
Also wasn't it said she called her mom too or am I thinking about another case?
We know she called Ron (he said he was almost home and didn't pick up)

MOO



From memory....there were several calls to Timmy before 911 was called so she couldn't have had it off the whole time. She may have turned it back on long enough to call, turned it back off then on again each time she made a call.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Was it turned off the whole time?

She turned if off when Ron tried calling 20 times right?

[TaraCrazyHair]

It's sounding more that it was Misty wanting someone else to babysit Haleigh and Ronald, Jr. that night because she was so tired. From listening tonight, it's unclear whether Art was saying that Misty wanted Teresa Neves to babysit or her sister in law (Chelsea or Lindsey) and she would pay them for it. Whoever it is, it was if Ron ok'd it, thus the argument on the phone perhaps?

<tapping foot waiting for either the transcript or video>

I thought Tommy wanted Misty to babysit and Ron said no

Which makes no sense

[gotmilk?]

If What AH is reporting is true, and possibly Misty's sister in law watched the children, it would explain why LE was at Tyler St. and Haleigh being seen one and a half hours earlier. Could this be the inconsistency LE has been laboring over?

Did I hear Art correctly at the end of NG that Tommy has agreed to take a LD?


What Art said is that Misty told Lindsy that she (Misty) asked Teresa Neves to babysit...not that she asked Lindsy. I just watched the 10pm replay.

[gotmilk?]

Why would Misty offer to "pay" Teresa to babysit? Odd.



I doubt she did. This is probably another of her lies to take the blame off of herself.

[Justice4all]

What Art said is that Misty told Lindsy that she (Misty) asked Teresa Neves to babysit...not that she asked Lindsy. I just watched the 10pm replay.

I wonder why Misty didn't ask AS when she brought the laundry over. Maybe Misty had "work" she had to do that night barf

[TaraCrazyHair]

What Art said is that Misty told Lindsy that she (Misty) asked Teresa Neves to babysit...not that she asked Lindsy. I just watched the 10pm replay.

HUH???



Never ever heard that before

[Justice4all]

I doubt she did. This is probably another of her lies to take the blame off of herself.

Can I ask a personal question? Are you male or female and I want to say yes Sir or yes Ma'am LOL


so I'll just say Yes Ma'am/Sir ITA
I don't think Misty could tell the truth if her life depended on it.

[M*KAY]

She turned if off when Ron tried calling 20 times right?

I don't think we know yet if it was turned off or Misty ignored Ron's calls.

[gotmilk?]

HUH???



Never ever heard that before


Art said it on NG tonight.

[Justice4all]

She turned if off when Ron tried calling 20 times right?

that's what i've heard but I have no clue what time she talked to NayNay or Lindsy. Do you?

[gotmilk?]

Can I ask a personal question? Are you male or female and I want to say yes Sir or yes Ma'am LOL


so I'll just say Yes Ma'am/Sir ITA
I don't think Misty could tell the truth if her life depended on it.



I'm female. :smile:

[TaraCrazyHair]

I don't think we know yet if it was turned off or Misty ignored Ron's calls.



I thought pings showed that?

[TaraCrazyHair]

Art said it on NG tonight.


I missed it -- how did it change?

Was not what he originally reported months ago

[Justice4all]

Okay i'm watching NG...Is it just me or is AH changing colors? Is that a spray on brownish tan ? :ohmy:

[M*KAY]

I thought pings showed that?

You're probably right. All this mess is so darn confusing.
LE needs to hold a PC! IMO, of course. :smile:

[Motomom]

Which sil was it that claimed they laid back down after they found out Haleigh was missing, didn't get up until around 6. Was that Timmy's wife who said that? It wasn't that long ago that we discussed it.

[Justice4all]

I missed it -- how did it change?

Was not what he originally reported months ago

Not making excuses for AH because I can't stand him but what he told NG tonight isn't that info coming from what Misty just told her family since she's been in jail?

[Lynn Gweeny]

Misty Croslin Jailhouse Audio and Videotapes to Be Released

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1002/02/ng.01.html

[M*KAY]

Think I'll call it a night folks.
Maybe someone will spill what they know tomorrow.

It will be a year next week. :crying:

[TaraCrazyHair]

Not making excuses for AH because I can't stand him but what he told NG tonight isn't that info coming from what Misty just told her family since she's been in jail?

Tapes have been released??

I need to catch up more

[gotmilk?]

I missed it -- how did it change?

Was not what he originally reported months ago


Apparently it was said during a visit or phone call at the jail.

[gotmilk?]

Which sil was it that claimed they laid back down after they found out Haleigh was missing, didn't get up until around 6. Was that Timmy's wife who said that? It wasn't that long ago that we discussed it.


IRC yes it was Chelsea.

[CatToy]

That would indicate that MIsty would have had to call one, two or three people that night to babysit the children. Teresa, Chelsea or Lindsey. For that matter, why didn't she just ask Mrs. Sykes when she dropped by with the laundry?

I totally doubt that she really came by, I've had issues with that for some time now. I think she was trying to Alibi Ronald, myself.
GS, that is.

[CatToy]

Tapes have been released??

I need to catch up more

Well let me know when Y'all find the links for them, lol. I don't see them anywhere online yet.
NG apparently has them, hours of them.
:sigh:

[Justice4all]

Tapes have been released??

I need to catch up more

NG said they have hours and hours of Misty talking and they will play them tomorrow.

Did you watch tonights show? I'm watching it now. AH said he's listen to a bunch of what all Misty said and Misty says she's being interrogated all day and they are throwing names at her and she's not cracking.

[CatToy]

HUH???



Never ever heard that before

They seem to have some tapes that we are not privy to yet. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Then we have the 30 hours of taped interrogations with LE, I'd love to see those.

[gotmilk?]

Tapes have been released??

I need to catch up more


They haven't been released yet. Art seems to think they will be tomorrow. Here's what he said about babysitting. Thanks for the link Lynn.

HARRIS: . you will hear Misty talking about things like what happened that night. I had never known this from her sister-in-law before, but she says she was so tired from those parties in the last three days that when she came home she did not want to babysit. That she called Ron`s mother and she offered, quote, "to pay her to babysit." And Misty told her sister-in-law, well, I said, OK, if it`s OK with Ron.

[Justice4all]

Well let me know when Y'all find the links for them, lol. I don't see them anywhere online yet.
NG apparently has them, hours of them.
:sigh:

AH said he's listen to them also. I wonder why they don't share them with us. Hopefully tomorrow TJH will release them.

[CatToy]

NG said they have hours and hours of Misty talking and they will play them tomorrow.

Did you watch tonights show? I'm watching it now. AH said he's listen to a bunch of what all Misty said and Misty says she's being interrogated all day and they are throwing names at her and she's not cracking.

Also reports of her giggling when asked about Haleigh's whereabouts how sick!
I think that has upset me.

[gotmilk?]

I totally doubt that she really came by, I've had issues with that for some time now. I think she was trying to Alibi Ronald, myself.
GS, that is.



That makes no sense considering police have said Ron was gone before 7pm.

[CatToy]

AH said he's listen to them also. I wonder why they don't share them with us. Hopefully tomorrow TJH will release them.

Hi Justice, Yes I do hope so. I would have thought that at about the 10 day mark one of them would roll on the other.
That stamp of Misty's says to me "I will always love you, I will not say a word"
IOW I think MC all along has been giving RC the alibi and story he needed to get away with this. AND RC's own speech is a dead giveaway that he knows she is dead.

Otherwise he wouldn't be making these ridiculous absurd statements that he is making. Especially bringing up his own 911 call....I see it's on his mind however....
That's a good thing. I say keep him talking.
Levi, go visit him and misty and give us an exclusive! Please :D

[CatToy]

That makes no sense considering police have said Ron was gone before 7pm.

Hmmmm not sure what you mean exactly-
I'm talking about an Alibi that she was alive.
IOW I don't believe she was there that night.
It was more than a week after that she came out with that statement. And I guess that I still feel it was an attempt to put the child alive, after his shift started. I think they are all pretty crafty but not very smart.
Not at all. Keep them talking though....

[Justice4all]

Also reports of her giggling when asked about Haleigh's whereabouts how sick!
I think that has upset me.

yeah she's one sick and twisted girl IMO
The more I hear about Misty the more I believe she knows exactly what happen to haleigh.