Monday Feb. 1, 2010

[Texas48]

HaLeigh Cummings

[Elle]

Good morning Texas and everyone. Thank you for the new thread.

Justice, I responded on last nights thread but just want to touch on it here so you don't have to go back, that I think that they wanted him in solitary and maybe PC did not have a solitary cell? IDK, but I also think too that with his overt threats of killing the person who took Haleigh, maybe they had him in isolation until he could be deemed not a threat to others at which time he could be moved back to PC? IDK, just guessing.
(any luck w/ the slipper? lol)

[Kathlb]

Well, I need that second and third cup of coffee...I posted the wrong info thinking I was in the EJ/Baby Gabriel forum. Not a good start to the week. :biggrin:

I hope that more information comes out this week concerning what happened to Little Haleigh from the "group" in lockup.

[HouseOfClark]

Good morning Texas and everyone. Thank you for the new thread.

Justice, I responded on last nights thread but just want to touch on it here so you don't have to go back, that I think that they wanted him in solitary and maybe PC did not have a solitary cell? IDK, but I also think too that with his overt threats of killing the person who took Haleigh, maybe they had him in isolation until he could be deemed not a threat to others at which time he could be moved back to PC? IDK, just guessing.
(any luck w/ the slipper? lol)

Was he in solitary when he was arrested for assaulting Tommy?

IMO, it's unclear other than the original 911 call and the threats during his interview with Dana Treen, if any threats were made in between those times. He was already in solitary by the time Dana interviewed him IIRC.

JMO

[Elle]

Well, I need that second and third cup of coffee...I posted the wrong info thinking I was in the EJ/Baby Gabriel forum. Not a good start to the week. :biggrin:

I hope that more information comes out this week concerning what happened to Little Haleigh from the "group" in lockup.

lol Kath, it will get better!

At the beginning I thought for sure that it would be solved quickly, and here we are a year later and seemingly no closer to finding out what happened to Haleigh. Praying for someone to decide to finally put Haleigh first and come forward with any information re. what happened to this sweet girl, that truth weigh so heavily on their heart that they are compelled to do what is right, to finally do the right thing.

[Elle]

Was he in solitary when he was arrested for assaulting Tommy?

IMO, it's unclear other than the original 911 call and the threats during his interview with Dana Treen, if any threats were made in between those times. He was already in solitary by the time Dana interviewed him IIRC.

JMO

I am not sure. You are right it is unclear, I (possibly wrongly) assumed that he was not shy about it and probably said something to one of the arresting officers or something, but you make a good point. I just thought that if it wasn't his safety they were concerned for, that maybe he was isolated for others safety. Maybe the current climate in the jail was such that he was unsafe or that there was a higher chance he would act out toward another inmate?
complete guessing on my part.

[Mimi428]

Was he in solitary when he was arrested for assaulting Tommy?

IMO, it's unclear other than the original 911 call and the threats during his interview with Dana Treen, if any threats were made in between those times. He was already in solitary by the time Dana interviewed him IIRC.

JMO

I don't know if he was kept in a cell by himself for the assault on Tommy, but I can definitely understand why he would be for the arrest on the drug charges, because multiple people were arrested with him. I'm sure LE would like to minimize the chances that they would be able to pass messages back & forth to one another. I don't think the jail personnel would do it, but jails have inmate trustees working, too - & they might just be willing to pass info back & forth.

JMO

[Texas48]

Well, I need that second and third cup of coffee...I posted the wrong info thinking I was in the EJ/Baby Gabriel forum. Not a good start to the week. :biggrin:

I hope that more information comes out this week concerning what happened to Little Haleigh from the "group" in lockup.
LOL Kath...we all need more coffee from time to time..Not a problem.
I couldn't even hit the right #s this am..posted Feb 2 instead of Feb 1.
Catch ya later on other thread..lol

[Texas48]

Good morning Texas and everyone. Thank you for the new thread.

Justice, I responded on last nights thread but just want to touch on it here so you don't have to go back, that I think that they wanted him in solitary and maybe PC did not have a solitary cell? IDK, but I also think too that with his overt threats of killing the person who took Haleigh, maybe they had him in isolation until he could be deemed not a threat to others at which time he could be moved back to PC? IDK, just guessing.
(any luck w/ the slipper? lol)
Good Morning Elle and YW.
It may be that LE didn't have a cell completely away from other inmates as you said and maybe LE didn't want these 5 having any communications with anyone at that time for several reasons.
Me too..just guessing.

[Elle]

Good Morning Elle and YW.
It may be that LE didn't have a cell completely away from other inmates as you said and maybe LE didn't want these 5 having any communications with anyone at that time for several reasons.
Me too..just guessing.

bbm
Thats all we can do :smile:

Was it said, I feel like it was said somewhere, that it was administrative isolation/solitary (or something like that)? Would I be correct this would not be the case if he were seperated for some sort of medical reason or detoxing or if he were suicidal ect.? Would that just be the infirmary?

[Texas48]

Posted: Monday, 01 February 2010 6:38AM
Putnam Drug Bust: Who Is Donna Brock

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/6255587.php

[Elle]

Posted: Monday, 01 February 2010 6:38AM
Putnam Drug Bust: Who Is Donna Brock

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/6255587.php

I don't know much about her, but I do know that she has been involved to some level in 3 high profile cases involving missing little girls. I personally currently hold the opinion that she is reckless and has an elevated sense of self importance, yet needs validation and seeks it through notoriety, look see I am important! I think being involved and right in the thick of things gives her a sort of rush, not too different than a drug imo.

Of course I could be veeeeery wrong.

[jammies]

I don't know much about her, but I do know that she has been involved to some level in 3 high profile cases involving missing little girls. I personally currently hold the opinion that she is reckless and has an elevated sense of self importance, yet needs validation and seeks it through notoriety, look see I am important! I think being involved and right in the thick of things gives her a sort of rush, not too different than a drug imo.

Of course I could be veeeeery wrong.


I think you are right on the money, Elle! IMO

btw, does Brock have her own children?

[Elle]

I think you are right on the money, Elle! IMO

btw, does Brock have her own children?

Hi jammies, yes she does though I am not sure of their ages. I thought there was mention on either her myspace or facebook when they were public, of a minor child but I cannot be sure.

imo

[Saint Viva]

Great Levi Page Show last night!

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2010/02/01/drug-bust-in-haleigh-cummings-investigation

[Zeep]

I don't know much about her, but I do know that she has been involved to some level in 3 high profile cases involving missing little girls. I personally currently hold the opinion that she is reckless and has an elevated sense of self importance, yet needs validation and seeks it through notoriety, look see I am important! I think being involved and right in the thick of things gives her a sort of rush, not too different than a drug imo.

Of course I could be veeeeery wrong.

You took the words right out of my head.

[Texas48]

*****

Lately, I have been going back to old articles and reading information again. This article states that police found "items of interest". Is this more "physical evidence" that doesn't match Misty's story?

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18707263/detail.html#-

After a team of more than 100 organized volunteers spent Friday in an expanded search for a 5-year-old girl missing for more than three days, an upbeat spokesman called the day "very productive."

"We did discover some items of interest. I can't go into detail as to what those items are, "Putnam County Sheriff's Office Capt. Rose said in an afternoon news briefing. "We are very hopeful that she is alive ... and we are looking forward to a very positive outcome."
Morning BM..
IDK if they have ever said what the items were they found. I don't recall ever hearing more about it after their statement..IDK why LE tells us *they found items of interest* and then won't tell us what they are..KWIM..lol..thats just a tease..imo..lol

[gotmilk?]

*****

Lately, I have been going back to old articles and reading information again. This article states that police found "items of interest". Is this more "physical evidence" that doesn't match Misty's story?

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18707263/detail.html#-

After a team of more than 100 organized volunteers spent Friday in an expanded search for a 5-year-old girl missing for more than three days, an upbeat spokesman called the day "very productive."

"We did discover some items of interest. I can't go into detail as to what those items are, "Putnam County Sheriff's Office Capt. Rose said in an afternoon news briefing. "We are very hopeful that she is alive ... and we are looking forward to a very positive outcome."


Those items turned out to not be related to Haleighs disappearance. There is a link on the link thread saying they weren't related.

[gotmilk?]

Yes, I came across it, as I was reading and posted it above.

Thanks, Milk!!


Your welcome. I saw your other post but was on the phone and couldn't reply.

[gotmilk?]

The LVA man, Mr. Ward, said the "peeing on the blanket" is a big thing.


I wouldn't put much faith in TJ Ward and his LVA. He "cleared" Joanna Hayes in the Heather Strube case and she is the suspect who was arrested and charged with HS's murder.

[Elle]

*****

Lately, I have been going back to old articles and reading information again. This article states that police found "items of interest". Is this more "physical evidence" that doesn't match Misty's story?

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18707263/detail.html#-

After a team of more than 100 organized volunteers spent Friday in an expanded search for a 5-year-old girl missing for more than three days, an upbeat spokesman called the day "very productive."

"We did discover some items of interest. I can't go into detail as to what those items are, "Putnam County Sheriff's Office Capt. Rose said in an afternoon news briefing. "We are very hopeful that she is alive ... and we are looking forward to a very positive outcome."

I found this statement interesting...(I am assuming the first 'own' is meant to be 'home')

"We continue to believe this could be an abduction," Rose said. "Whether she was abducted from her own or Haleigh left on her own and somebody picked her up, of course, that person has no rights to Haleigh and that is considered an abduction."

... the wording of it has me thinking at that point as it was sooo early on, they were thinking(hoping?) someone either in the family or close to the family had her, maybe hiding her out, and that it wasn't a predator that was going to harm her. The use of the word 'rights' could imply someone who may have been under the impression that they had legitimate rights to Haleigh? Then again I imagine that in any abductors mind they feel they have a 'right'.
It just seemed like such a soft statement, though maybe it was a strategic plea in hopes of leading the person who took her to feel as though he/she was not being attacked. IDK, it is interesting though to go back and see how this year has progressed.

One thing I never really felt though, except for at the very beginning, was that there was a fear in the community, but then again I am not there.

moo

[Elle]

You took the words right out of my head.

neat! :smile:

[Elle]

Great Levi Page Show last night!

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2010/02/01/drug-bust-in-haleigh-cummings-investigation

Does anyone know if he puts up transcripts? My computer will not allow me to listen to his show.
tia

[Lynn Gweeny]

Isn't TJ Ward 'just' a reporter/media type?

TIA


T. J. Ward
CEO of Investigative Consultants International, Inc.

http://www.investigativeconsultantsinternational.com/default.asp

[HouseOfClark]

Isn't TJ Ward 'just' a reporter/media type?

TIA

You might be thinking of TJ Hart?

[HouseOfClark]

****

You know, Pat Brown has some interesting points, but it doesn't jive with me and I will tell you why.

The AC dude.

Did the AC dude see a live Haliegh around 5?

If he did, then this story doesn't make sense.

What the AC dude saw is very important to me.

Nobody has provided any information on the a/c guy. Not even any snoopy media getting his name and info from the landlord, Phyllis Bard.

Of course, this may be one of the things LE is purposely withholding. He was supposedly cleared right off.

Makes you wonder if there was an a/c guy there that day at all, doesn't it?

[Saint Viva]

Off Nancy Graces facebook-

Awaiting the release of tapes of Haleigh's babysitter Misty Croslin from jail after her stunning arrest! Will she crack behind bars? Nancy Grace has the latest breaking developments every night!

http://www.facebook.com/NancyGraceHLN?ref=mf

[datacop]

Off Nancy Graces facebook-

Awaiting the release of tapes of Haleigh's babysitter Misty Croslin from jail after her stunning arrest! Will she crack behind bars? Nancy Grace has the latest breaking developments every night!

http://www.facebook.com/NancyGraceHLN?ref=mf


"latest breaking developments" usually day late dollar short

[HouseOfClark]

No, not really. IMO, LE wouldn't comment on someone who wasn't there.

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=63252

Merchant confirmed that and air conditioning repairman did visit the home at 5 p.m. on Feb. 9, 2009, the day before Haleigh's disappearance, but police are confident he was not involved.

Inv. Merchant said he was questioned within an hour of the disappearance and provided a solid alibi.

It was reported that Misty called Ron at work, gave the phone to the AC dude. There would definitely be cell phone records of that call.

I believe there was an AC dude at the home around 5 that day, I am just not sure what he did or did not see.

He provided a solid alibi? At around 4 a.m. when he was called?

How was that alibi corroborated that quickly?

ITA that the a/c guy is an important piece here, but we probably differ on to what extent.

:wink:

[datacop]

****

You know, Pat Brown has some interesting points, but it doesn't jive with me and I will tell you why.

The AC dude.

Did the AC dude see a live Haliegh around 5?

If he did, then this story doesn't make sense.

What the AC dude saw is very important to me.


Amazing how neither what the AC dude and/or the neighbor actually saw that night is really clear or verified. One neighbor claimed RC's car was there all evening Is that the same one that "saw" children out playing?

Other than relative & babysitter reports, where/when HaLeigh was after she got off the school bus is vague.

[HouseOfClark]

"latest breaking developments" usually day late dollar short

Really!

If Misty cracked, we'd know about it at least two days before NG found out about it.

JMO

[datacop]

Really!

If Misty cracked, we'd know about it at least two days before NG found out about it.

JMO

:ohmy: :lol: :tonguewag:

[datacop]

Since there seemed to be so much interest in the Simon webpage yesterday, did the show live up to its hype?

[Dunlurken]

Posted: Monday, 01 February 2010 6:38AM
Putnam Drug Bust: Who Is Donna Brock

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/6255587.phpWell, that didn't answer many questions, but it's a good question. Who/What is Donna Brock?

Morning all!

[datacop]

Well, the AC dude is an important piece of the timeline.

The timeline is what I use to determine what could or could not have happened.

(The 10 minute "timeframe" in the SP case is what sealed the deal, for me.)

If the AC dude was there at 5, I have yet to see a plausible way that would include Ron being involved in Haliegh's disappearance. Maybe he was, but I would sure like to know how. With the timeline given, I just don't see that.

Maybe someone else could help me to understand. :shrug:

IF HaLeigh took an overdose of drugs, either 'cause she thought it was candy or was given some to make her sleep and then died, then Ron could have been on the moon and still involved.

[datacop]

Not really.

LE have a timeline.

They believe the AC man is part of that, or I don't believe they would have released that they spoke with him, his alibi checked out and he was not a suspect.


It's still vague -- to us.

Yikes, hopefully LE does know more than we do.

[Dunlurken]

Amazing how neither what the AC dude and/or the neighbor actually saw that night is really clear or verified. One neighbor claimed RC's car was there all evening Is that the same one that "saw" children out playing?

Other than relative & babysitter reports, where/when HaLeigh was after she got off the school bus is vague.

Ron "says" he picked her up at the bus stop 3:00 ish. Took her home and handed her over to Misty. That was the last I "heard". Don't have a link, but neighbors said they saw children playing outside. Didn't say Haleigh specifically. JMO.

[Dunlurken]

Not really.

LE have a timeline.

They believe the AC man is part of that, or I don't believe they would have released that they spoke with him, his alibi checked out and he was not a suspect.

LE has been known to "fool" people. They can lie, people involved in the case cannot. A game of cat and mouse. JMO.

[datacop]

Ron "says" he picked her up at the bus stop 3:00 ish. Took her home and handed her over to Misty. That was the last I "heard". Don't have a link, but neighbors said they saw children playing outside. Didn't say Haleigh specifically. JMO.


Was there any other reports, except Marie, that talked about children playing outside?

We know that Marie wasn't there and her comments reflected that.

It really bugs me when one of the key players says something as fact and yet we know if they have been telling the truth, they weren't there.

[Melster]

Great Levi Page Show last night!

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2010/02/01/drug-bust-in-haleigh-cummings-investigation

thanks SV!...off to listen right now:seeya:

[datacop]

LE is going to make a statement that they questioned the AC dude, his alibi checked out and he is not a suspect, because they are playing a cat and mouse game?

I must be dense.


Not saying whether it happened or not but

1. questioned the AC dude
2. alibi checked out
3. not a suspect

Unless they said he was there, then yea there is no cat and mouse game there.

[Melster]

Not saying whether it happened or not but

1. questioned the AC dude
2. alibi checked out
3. not a suspect

Unless they said he was there, then yea there is no cat and mouse game there.

i don't think the AC man saw Haleigh....jmo

eta....i can see where LE would keep this info quiet...they'll need the AC guy (a reliable witness) at trial

[Dunlurken]

LE is going to make a statement that they questioned the AC dude, his alibi checked out and he is not a suspect, because they are playing a cat and mouse game?

I must be dense.

Sorry, I didn't state what I meant properly. LE is playing a cat and mouse game with all of them, not just the AC guy.

[datacop]

What is vague? Who is "us"?

I am sure LE know much more than we do. They also know what the AC man saw or didn't see, which is more than any of us know.


The vague part is what we've really been told.

Oh, there are days when I think that LE is either listening to the wrong people or just don't know any more than we do. And I hope that I'm wrong.

[Elle]

Ron "says" he picked her up at the bus stop 3:00 ish. Took her home and handed her over to Misty. That was the last I "heard". Don't have a link, but neighbors said they saw children playing outside. Didn't say Haleigh specifically. JMO.

I have heard 3:30. I have not heard 3 or 3(ish). Haleigh's school gets out at 3.
For the life of me, I cannot come up with one reason that it would benefit Ron to lie about picking up Haleigh. Why if it was not true, would he place himself, in such a public place as a bus stop no less, as one of the last people to be with Haleigh? If involved in something I would think he would instead have said either nothing or attempted to remove himself from as much possible contact with her that day by denying it.

I am inclined to believe that he did pick Haleigh up as I see no benefit to lying about it.

[datacop]

He could have been, if they were his drugs.

Is this how many believe Ron is involved? Having drugs around the MH?

Is it the general consensus of those who believe Ron was involved, that Haleigh od'd?

If that is the case, then I believe it could be very possible that he was involved, but not actually there when it happened.

I don't know what anyone else thinks. Some still believe he's the good guy, working uc.

I do think there's enough setting off hinky meters that anything is possible and the actions of one RC has set 'em off regularly.

[Melster]

Was there any other reports, except Marie, that talked about children playing outside?

We know that Marie wasn't there and her comments reflected that.

It really bugs me when one of the key players says something as fact and yet we know if they have been telling the truth, they weren't there.

Marie wasn't there till later in the day.....i think she only 'heard' of the neighbors saying they saw Haleigh, probably hearing this from one of the Cummings folks...jmo

[Lynn Gweeny]

Was there any other reports, except Marie, that talked about children playing outside?

We know that Marie wasn't there and her comments reflected that.

It really bugs me when one of the key players says something as fact and yet we know if they have been telling the truth, they weren't there.


Only the information stated by Capt. Schauland on the Mike Galanos show on HLN in early March 2009 (scroll down to post at link)

Caller: how do they know haleigh wasnt killed earlier in the day and maybe later that night they set it up so that the girlfriend would call the boyfriend to say she was missing and propped the thing up against the door to make sure it looked like she had been killed or taken out of the home during that time?

Mike: Lets ask the captain about, captain, when was the last time haleigh was seen alive? Not just from misty? Can you tell us that?

Capt: Her father picked her up from the school bus and took her home in the afternoon. She was seen later in the early evening by a neighbor. And that was the last time she was seen.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6288.msg1041925#msg1041925

[datacop]

Marie wasn't there till later in the day.....i think she only 'heard' of the neighbors saying they saw Haleigh, probably hearing this from one of the Cummings folks...jmo

At least she didn't make her statements like she knew it all ...

How many times has TN said something that she knew, but except for one LE person that probably made a mistake, TN was not at the mh until sometime after HaLeigh went missing.

Ummmm wonder where she was that night?

[datacop]

Only the information stated by Capt. Schauland on the Mike Galanos show on HLN in early March 2009 (scroll down to post at link)

Caller: how do they know haleigh wasnt killed earlier in the day and maybe later that night they set it up so that the girlfriend would call the boyfriend to say she was missing and propped the thing up against the door to make sure it looked like she had been killed or taken out of the home during that time?

Mike: Lets ask the captain about, captain, when was the last time haleigh was seen alive? Not just from misty? Can you tell us that?

Capt: Her father picked her up from the school bus and took her home in the afternoon. She was seen later in the early evening by a neighbor. And that was the last time she was seen.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6288.msg1041925#msg1041925

Thank you.

[datacop]

Does anyone know which elementary school HaLeigh attended? No link required.

[Melster]

I don't know what anyone else thinks. Some still believe he's the good guy, working uc.

I do think there's enough setting off hinky meters that anything is possible and the actions of one RC has set 'em off regularly.

oh, that's right..some still think RC's an undercover agent:blink:

my theory still stands though...at some point, once Haleigh got home from school, she was hurt...hurt badly...she was tucked away somewhere in the trailer, while RC rushed off as fast as he could...(to work, or where ever)....Tommy was asked to go over to the trailer to help Misty dispose of Haleigh.....at one point i thought Ronald may have taken Haleigh, himself, to dispose of her..(i still flip on that occasionally, however i don't think RC would do the dirty work, himself....he'd have someone else do it)

all jmo

[Lynn Gweeny]

Does anyone know which elementary school HaLeigh attended? No link required.

Browning-Pearce Elementary

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18694793/detail.html

[Melster]

Really!

If Misty cracked, we'd know about it at least two days before NG found out about it.

JMO

ain't that the truth!

[Elle]

Does anyone know which elementary school HaLeigh attended? No link required.

http://www.putnamschools.org/index/schoolhours06.html

these are the hours of all PC schools.

[Melster]

At least she didn't make her statements like she knew it all ...

How many times has TN said something that she knew, but except for one LE person that probably made a mistake, TN was not at the mh until sometime after HaLeigh went missing.

Ummmm wonder where she was that night?

no, it's obvious Marie was going by what someone else told her, IMO....

we know that TN can drive faster than the speed of sound, though....

[Melster]

http://www.putnamschools.org/index/schoolhours06.html

these are the hours of all PC schools.

thanks for the link!....so i guess it's safe to say, Haleigh got off that bus around 3:30, like we've heard from the very beginning...

[datacop]

Browning-Pearce Elementary

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18694793/detail.html

Thanks ............

[datacop]

http://www.putnamschools.org/index/schoolhours06.html

these are the hours of all PC schools.


Thanks. That was my next search.

[datacop]

thanks for the link!....so i guess it's safe to say, Haleigh got off that bus around 3:30, like we've heard from the very beginning...


Should be close. According to google map it's 7+ miles between the school and the mh (didn't have the bus stop address) and 17 minutes.

That will leave 13 minutes for time bus actually leaves and earlier stops.

[datacop]

Only the information stated by Capt. Schauland on the Mike Galanos show on HLN in early March 2009 (scroll down to post at link)

Caller: how do they know haleigh wasnt killed earlier in the day and maybe later that night they set it up so that the girlfriend would call the boyfriend to say she was missing and propped the thing up against the door to make sure it looked like she had been killed or taken out of the home during that time?

Mike: Lets ask the captain about, captain, when was the last time haleigh was seen alive? Not just from misty? Can you tell us that?

Capt: Her father picked her up from the school bus and took her home in the afternoon. She was seen later in the early evening by a neighbor. And that was the last time she was seen.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6288.msg1041925#msg1041925

Unless there is somethng missing here, neither the ac man nor GGMS saw HaLeigh.

[Melster]

hey Data....the Levi Page show is pretty good...listening now...course the first 7-10 minutes are all re-capping the case..(stuff we all know already)...Pat Brown is hot though:) .... she's given more time to speak with Levi, than she was with NG...pretty good stuff, so far:thumbsup:

[whitney]

hey Data....the Levi Page show is pretty good...listening now...course the first 7-10 minutes are all re-capping the case..(stuff we all know already)...Pat Brown is hot though:) .... she's given more time to speak with Levi, than she was with NG...pretty good stuff, so far:thumbsup:

That site is blocked here at work...What is Pat brown saying? JMO

[oxfordfox2]

oh, that's right..some still think RC's an undercover agent:blink:

my theory still stands though...at some point, once Haleigh got home from school, she was hurt...hurt badly...she was tucked away somewhere in the trailer, while RC rushed off as fast as he could...(to work, or where ever)....Tommy was asked to go over to the trailer to help Misty dispose of Haleigh.....at one point i thought Ronald may have taken Haleigh, himself, to dispose of her..(i still flip on that occasionally, however i don't think RC would do the dirty work, himself....he'd have someone else do it)

all jmo
I can't think of any kind of injury that couldn't have been covered up better with a call to 911. Even if Haleigh took or was given pills, they could have said they had pills one of them had been taking for a painful injury and the child accidentally took some. Even if they didn't have a prescription for pills, they could say that had some pills left over from years ago or borrowed some and only took them when they hurt their back, neck, whatever and the child found them. They could have destroyed all other drugs in the house and claimed they only had a couple of pills in the house, that the child found. There would have been some hard questions asked and maybe some jail time for drug possession and maybe they would have lost custody of Junior and have gotten into trouble for child endangerment. Still if the child's death had been viewed as accidental, I think it would have been far better for them than what actually happened, being suspected of every possible dark scenario including murder. Could it be that Ron would rather dispose of his daughter like she was trash rather than let Crystal have custody of his son? Was the enmity between them that bitter? :confused:

[♦Justice♦]

Unless there is somethng missing here, neither the ac man nor GGMS saw HaLeigh.

How do we know the AC man wasn't there before the neighbor saw Haleigh outside playing?

[Melster]

That site is blocked here at work...What is Pat brown saying? JMO

she doesn't believe a word RC has to say...she thinks he's the one who orchestrated the scenario for the night Haleigh went missing....Pat has nailed it, with her expertise in profiling.....

[datacop]

hey Data....the Levi Page show is pretty good...listening now...course the first 7-10 minutes are all re-capping the case..(stuff we all know already)...Pat Brown is hot though:) .... she's given more time to speak with Levi, than she was with NG...pretty good stuff, so far:thumbsup:


Listened to most of it earlier.

For some reason when I try to multi-task with the computer with sound, I will hit a wrong button and lose the program, since I was about 50 minutes into the show this morning (good for me), I didn't go back and finish.

Levi is the only of the blog radio shows that has anything to them. He's young and hopefully this is a stepping-stone for him.

TJH is the only one with Simon that has anything to say. The rest is just giggles and laughs. I still don't believe that people found his website so interesting yesterday. I sure didn't -- must have really missed something or something was deleted.

[datacop]

That site is blocked here at work...What is Pat brown saying? JMO

The nice way to put it is she doesn't believe everything that Ron says.

[Tracian]

she doesn't believe a word RC has to say...she thinks he's the one who orchestrated the scenario for the night Haleigh went missing....Pat has nailed it, with her expertise in profiling.....


Her expertise in profiling leaves something to be desired, IMO.

[Melster]

I can't think of any kind of injury that couldn't have been covered up better with a call to 911. Even if Haleigh took or was given pills, they could have said they had pills one of them had been taking for a painful injury and the child accidentally took some. Even if they didn't have a prescription for pills, they could say that had some pills left over from years ago or borrowed some and only took them when they hurt their back, neck, whatever and the child found them. They could have destroyed all other drugs in the house and claimed they only had a couple of pills in the house, that the child found. There would have been some hard questions asked and maybe some jail time for drug possession and maybe they would have lost custody of Junior and have gotten into trouble for child endangerment. Still if the child's death had been viewed as accidental, I think it would have been far better for them than what actually happened, being suspected of every possible dark scenario including murder. Could it be that Ron would rather dispose of his daughter like she was trash rather than let Crystal have custody of his son? Was the enmity between them that bitter? :confused:

had Haleigh gotten into some drugs, without Misty knowing it, once Haleigh became distressed, i think she would have called 911, not knowing what happened.....if Haleigh had an injury to the head, that would be a reason not to call 911....jmo

[Melster]

Her expertise in profiling leaves something to be desired, IMO.

not in my opinion...she has a masters in criminal justice...she's not some fly by night wacko...very smart lady

[Tracian]

not in my opinion...she has a masters in criminal justice...she's not some fly by night wacko...very smart lady


Yeah, well she really missed the target on Cythina Somers.

[CANDYKISSES]

Her expertise in profiling leaves something to be desired, IMO.

I was appalled to hear her speaking out in such a disparaging manner Tracian. Who could take her seriously? She is destroying a once decent reputation and hopefully she will stop self-destructing before Levi is the only person willing to even entertain her. JMO, but a really disgusting lack of professionalism on her part. :sad:

[Melster]

Listened to most of it earlier.

For some reason when I try to multi-task with the computer with sound, I will hit a wrong button and lose the program, since I was about 50 minutes into the show this morning (good for me), I didn't go back and finish.

Levi is the only of the blog radio shows that has anything to them. He's young and hopefully this is a stepping-stone for him.

TJH is the only one with Simon that has anything to say. The rest is just giggles and laughs. I still don't believe that people found his website so interesting yesterday. I sure didn't -- must have really missed something or something was deleted.

yeah, Simon isn't all 'that', imo....i like Levi though...not all that giggling off & on, thru the show....Levi comes across more professional

[CRRJJ]

ain't that the truth!

but it would still be "BREAKING NEWS---BOMBSHELL TONIGHT!!'

[Melster]

Pat Brown thinks it's possible something happened to Haleigh before Ronald went to work, then he went on to work, giving Misty instructions on what to do.....

[Tracian]

I was appalled to hear her speaking out in such a disparaging manner Tracian. Who could take her seriously? She is destroying a once decent reputation and hopefully she will stop self-destructing before Levi is the only person willing to even entertain her. JMO, but a really disgusting lack of professionalism on her part. :sad:

She has a Masters in Criminal Justice, not forensic psychology, nothing in her own bio on her own pages shows that she has done anything with LE or the FBI. She is basically a media personality, author and the CEO of her own company.

She offers an opinion, and that is about all it is worth, just like all of us here, an opinion.

[Melster]

but it would still be "BREAKING NEWS---BOMBSHELL TONIGHT!!'

yep, it sure would:tongueside:

[Saint Viva]

Yeah, well she really missed the target on Cythina Somers.

So did lots of people, she wasn't alone, and no one is perfect, there is not one person out there, that has been right one hundred percent of the time, its just not possible-

So is the mindset of she was wrong once, she missed the mark in this case? I need more than just one for instance before I bury my head in the sand-

jmo

[Elle]

Yeah, well she really missed the target on Cythina Somers.

She may have recently gotten her masters, she may be very good when working an investigation, but I think when she is on tv or the radio, she is just another opinion, imo.

http://www.patbrownprofiling.com/expert.html

"As a criminal profiler, I have also sometimes been criticized for theorizing about a case I have not personally been privy to the actual facts from inside the investigation. As I do a lot of television commentary, this is quite often the case for me; I only can theorize based on the "facts" outlined by the media. Therein lays the difference between public speculating and true criminal profiling as part of an investigative team. The latter is going to be one hell of a lot more accurate!"

[Melster]

I was appalled to hear her speaking out in such a disparaging manner Tracian. Who could take her seriously? She is destroying a once decent reputation and hopefully she will stop self-destructing before Levi is the only person willing to even entertain her. JMO, but a really disgusting lack of professionalism on her part. :sad:

i hope she continues to speak out on these shows....

[protectkidz]

Only the information stated by Capt. Schauland on the Mike Galanos show on HLN in early March 2009 (scroll down to post at link)

Caller: how do they know haleigh wasnt killed earlier in the day and maybe later that night they set it up so that the girlfriend would call the boyfriend to say she was missing and propped the thing up against the door to make sure it looked like she had been killed or taken out of the home during that time?

Mike: Lets ask the captain about, captain, when was the last time haleigh was seen alive? Not just from misty? Can you tell us that?

Capt: Her father picked her up from the school bus and took her home in the afternoon. She was seen later in the early evening by a neighbor. And that was the last time she was seen.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6288.msg1041925#msg1041925

hi Lynn - long time no see.

Interesting statement by the Capt. I had thought that Granny Sykes had stopped by around 7 pm to drop some clothes off.

Does LE not consider that confirmed?

I was also of the understanding that the kids HaLeigh was playing with that late afternoon were one of Misty's brother's kids...

[Melster]

love the way Levi & some of the others are imitating RC's 'act' during the 911 call...i'm so glad to hear this....red flags went up all over the place when i first heard the call myself.....

[protectkidz]

She has a Masters in Criminal Justice, not forensic psychology, nothing in her own bio on her own pages shows that she has done anything with LE or the FBI. She is basically a media personality, author and the CEO of her own company.

She offers an opinion, and that is about all it is worth, just like all of us here, an opinion.

you are very correct in this, Tracian.

[Melster]

the tide is turning on what the public is thinking now, about Ronald....per the Levi show

[datacop]

the tide is turning on what the public is thinking now, about Ronald....per the Levi show

Amazing what a few days in the Greybar Inn will do.

Now if someone, anyone, would just open up and help find HaLeigh.

[protectkidz]

the tide is turning on what the public is thinking now, about Ronald....per the Levi show

that would make sense as he was just arrested and charged with a serious felony.

[Melster]

TJ Ward said Ronald told him that Geraldo really rattled him....Pat Brown said Geraldo, from the beginning, thought RC was involved in whatever happened to Haleigh.....

Levi is very surprised at how NG has been defending him....he's very surprised that RC could pull the wool over her head....TJ Ward says he thinks NG will change her tone, & will revamp her thinking on RC in the next couple of weeks...

[Melster]

next week Levi will have a body language expert on the show....

[Elle]

hi Lynn - long time no see.

Interesting statement by the Capt. I had thought that Granny Sykes had stopped by around 7 pm to drop some clothes off.

Does LE not consider that confirmed?

I was also of the understanding that the kids HaLeigh was playing with that late afternoon were one of Misty's brother's kids...

http://www.gainesville.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091006/VIDEO/910062000&template=video

Lt. Greenwood touches on that in this audio. I cannot open it on my computer or I would give you a mark. There is discrepency as he says TN. It is my opinion after I listened to it before that he meant AS (I know that is presumptious, it is just my take after having had listened, I could easily be wrong)

[datacop]

TJ Ward said Ronald told him that Geraldo really rattled him....Pat Brown said Geraldo, from the beginning, thought RC was involved in whatever happened to Haleigh.....

Levi is very surprised at how NG has been defending him....he's very surprised that RC could pull the wool over her head....TJ Ward says he thinks NG will change her tone, & will revamp her thinking on RC in the next couple of weeks...

I missed that part but it will surprise me if that actually happens or that we hear about any of it.

It took almost a year for any real change about MC and that's still pretty much twist/turn and both sides of her mouth.

[protectkidz]

http://www.gainesville.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091006/VIDEO/910062000&template=video

Lt. Greenwood touches on that in this audio. I cannot open it on my computer or I would give you a mark. There is discrepency as he says TN. It is my opinion after I listened to it before that he meant AS (I know that is presumptious, it is just my take after having had listened, I could easily be wrong)

thanks, Elle!

[Melster]

thanks again for posting the link to Levi's show, Viva.....i'm glad i listened :)

[protectkidz]

Pat Brown thinks it's possible something happened to Haleigh before Ronald went to work, then he went on to work, giving Misty instructions on what to do.....

not a supporter of any family, just a supporter of the truth.

My take on this post is that Pat Brown would be wrong if her profiling skills leads her to believe that Ron kn ew about this before work, and left instructions for Misty.

If that was the case, Misty would have answered at LEAST one of the 20 phone calls.

[Saint Viva]

the tide is turning on what the public is thinking now, about Ronald....per the Levi show

Oh its turning for sure- no matter how some Ron defenders want to scramble and try to prove Pat Brown is full of it, a lot of people are seeing through the madness- and starting to see Ronald Cummings for exactly what he is- we are one step closer to finding HaLeigh in that aspect-

jmo

[protectkidz]

Not if he didnt bring the drugs into the home.

that is true.

He could be held on something if he was aware that Misty was a regular user and kept drugs on her person.

[protectkidz]

Oh its turning for sure- no matter how some Ron defenders want to scramble and try to prove Pat Brown is full of it, a lot of people are seeing through the madness- and starting to see Ronald Cummings for exactly what he is- we are one step closer to finding HaLeigh in that aspect-

jmo

I'm not a Ron defender but I definitely think she is full of it.

jmo after hearing her opinions for years.

[Melster]

not a supporter of any family, just a supporter of the truth.

My take on this post is that Pat Brown would be wrong if her profiling skills leads her to believe that Ron kn ew about this before work, and left instructions for Misty.

If that was the case, Misty would have answered at LEAST one of the 20 phone calls.

personally, i think her not answering the calls, were part of the plan...it makes RC look frantic with making that many calls....BUT then you have him stopping by a store on the way home, buy beer, cigs & peanuts.....doesn't come across as frantically trying to find Misty, does it?....in some ways i think he set this up to PUT suspicion on Misty, from the very beginning....jmo

[Melster]

not a supporter of any family, just a supporter of the truth.

My take on this post is that Pat Brown would be wrong if her profiling skills leads her to believe that Ron kn ew about this before work, and left instructions for Misty.

If that was the case, Misty would have answered at LEAST one of the 20 phone calls.

Pat Brown stated it's "possible"....

[datacop]

I thought Levi's show was very good last night with some good insights from Pat Brown, TJ Ward and the woman from WS.

I believe that the tide is turning about Ron for most people but there will always be those that defend him no matter what. I think that even if he were tried and convicted there would still be some that defend him. It happens in every case.

Yes, but for me, it's really heard to believe that anyone in jail for drug charges could have been totally innocent 11 months earlier when something happened to a child living in the same property IF it is found that drugs had anything to do with her being missing/dead.

My logical brain just don't go around or through those hoops without getting stuck there.

[jimbob]

i have no idea...he has a child missing, most likely dead, & he's just been charged with drug trafficking....your guess is as good as mine...

Its unnerving,ive not seen anyone so pleased to be looking at the rest of thier life in prison as he does.
Misty and Hank Jr look like the real deal , he looks like he just won a prize.

Is he that simple minded that a natural reaction is to smile when a camera is pointed at him ? Its unlikely.Unsettling definately.

[Melster]

Why does this have to be grandmother vs grandmother?

:confused: it's not

[Melster]

Its unnerving,ive not seen anyone so pleased to be looking at the rest of thier life in prison as he does.
Misty and Hank Jr look like the real deal , he looks like he just won a prize.

Is he that simple minded that a natural reaction is to smile when a camera is pointed at him ? Its unlikely.Unsettling definately.

i think RC feels very comfortable, as far as his involvment(sp)....i think he really thinks LE isn't looking at him, as far as Haleigh's disappearance.....a false sense, IMO, that LE has given him, intentionally......but i agree..it's a very strange mugshot, lol

[Lynn Gweeny]

hi Lynn - long time no see.

Interesting statement by the Capt. I had thought that Granny Sykes had stopped by around 7 pm to drop some clothes off.

Does LE not consider that confirmed?

I was also of the understanding that the kids HaLeigh was playing with that late afternoon were one of Misty's brother's kids...

Hi protect, LTNS!

I posted this the other day, about an interview of Lt. Greenwood back in October, which is pretty much the last time we heard anything from LE about Haleigh's case. He does mention the 'paternal grandmother' referring to Teresa Neves. From the discussion on the boards about this interview, his comments are questioned since he indicated "Ms. Neves' and not "Grandma Sykes". Also included in the 'confusion' would be him saying the 911 call came in at 2:13 a.m. :huh:

VIDEO: Haleigh Cummings Update (8:02)

Lt Johnny Greenwood w/ the Putnam County Sheriffs Office brings us up to date with the missing persons case of Haleigh Cummings. The 6 year old child was reported missing 7 months ago from her home.

http://www.gainesville.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091006/VIDEO/910062000&template=video

@ 6:20 thru 8:02

Lt. Greenwood: “We really, just, we wanna know the events that surrounded that evening. I mean, that’s the big gap that we’re trying to overcome here right now, what exactly happened that evening.”

Reporter: “Can you, without, uh, compromising the investigation, go up, tell me what is the time frame that you have the question about, from where to where?”

Lt. Greenwood: “We really just, I mean, just the whole evening that night, anytime after about 7 o’clock. I mean, we have around 7 o’clock, we have a grandmother saying she saw Haleigh, you know and …”

Reporter: “That maternal grandmother …

Lt. Greenwood: “I believe it was the paternal grandma…

Reporter: “Miss Neves …”

Lt. Greenwood: “Uh, huh, Miss Neves…”

Reporter: “Okay …”

Lt. Greenwood: “You know, and that’s, we want, and between then and when we received the call, you know, whatever, 2:13 in the morning, sometime shortly after 2 o’clock in the morning. You know, we need to know what was going on that night. All we’ve been able to obtain so far are sketchy statements from Misty Croslin, and we do not know what she was doing that night.”

Reporter: “When did Mr. Cummings leave for work?”

Lt. Greenwood: “He works at a bridge building place here.”
Reporter: “He was gone before 7:00 p.m.?”

Lt. Greenwood: “Yes, he was.”

Reporter: “And Miss Neves was over at the house?”

Lt. Greenwood: “I’m really not sure, and I can’t go into detail but we do have something there …”

Reporter: “Confirmation ….”

Lt. Greenwood: “confirmation out there that somebody saw her earlier in the evening.”

Reporter: “And your guys are comfortable with that, and that’s what becomes, so that’s where it becomes, as you’ve always said, um, Miss Croslin-Cummings becomes the key person …”

Lt. Greenwood: “She’s the key person, and we’ll still say that, you know, we still, from the details she’s providing us, and what the physical evidence is telling us, which that’s all I can really say about that, her two stories and what we see, they don’t match up.”

[protectkidz]

Yes, but for me, it's really heard to believe that anyone in jail for drug charges could have been totally innocent 11 months earlier when something happened to a child living in the same property IF it is found that drugs had anything to do with her being missing/dead.

My logical brain just don't go around or through those hoops without getting stuck there.

that's how my brain works as well.

Plus, the criminal activity in between.

Are we allowed to state our opinions here? If so, my opinion is that they are both up to their eyeballs in what happened to HaLeigh, maybe not both fully involved - but they both definitely know. And I feel that it was their drug activity that caused whatever happened to HaLeigh. The drug activity has been the only constant behaviors out of any of them.

You can take my opinion with a grain of salt as I am not a criminal profiler :wink:

[protectkidz]

Hi protect, LTNS!

I posted this the other day, about an interview of Lt. Greenwood back in October, which is pretty much the last time we heard anything from LE about Haleigh's case. He does mention the 'paternal grandmother' referring to Teresa Neves. From the discussion on the boards about this interview, his comments are questioned since he indicated "Ms. Neves' and not "Grandma Sykes". Also included in the 'confusion' would be him saying the 911 call came in at 2:13 a.m. :huh:

*respectfully snipped



thanks, Lynn! Good to refresh my mind :smile:

[Tracian]

Do you have a link where Pat Brown got her training in profiling. Been looking and cant find it..TIA


http://www.patbrownprofiling.com/bio.html

[Saint Viva]

i think RC feels very comfortable, as far as his involvment(sp)....i think he really thinks LE isn't looking at him, as far as Haleigh's disappearance.....a false sense, IMO, that LE has given him, intentionally......but i agree..it's a very strange mugshot, lol

Hes cocky, imo-

There is nothing funny going on in his life at all at the time of this mugshot, but one can look at that mug shot and see defiance, and smugness- I think the cops have been letting him think they haven't suspected him at all, and he played into their hands, theres a reason for this high bail, and imo, its because LE suspect him knowing what happened to HaLEigh- otherwise, I feel their would have been a bond reduction-

They want him for something and its not just for the dealing hes accused of-

jmo

[protectkidz]

I agree. Tracian do you know where she received her training for profiling at?

maybe correspondence school? :confused:

sorry, being facetious. She didn't train. It just comes naturally to her.

[cat3]

the tide is turning on what the public is thinking now, about Ronald....per the Levi show

And all with no proof.I'm not at all surprised when you have some that buy into whatever they are told via the entertainment shows.
Pat Brown admits that she has no background or training in diagnosis,but goes on to say that Ron LOOKS like a psychopath and then she giggles.What an idiotic person.
I would have rather heard more from TJ Ward,but it was difficult as the overbearing loudmouth kept butting in with her ignorant superficial rantings.
IMO

[protectkidz]

Hes cocky, imo-

There is nothing funny going on in his life at all at the time of this mugshot, but one can look at that mug shot and see defiance, and smugness- I think the cops have been letting him think they haven't suspected him at all, and he played into their hands, theres a reason for this high bail, and imo, its because LE suspect him knowing what happened to HaLEigh- otherwise, I feel their would have been a bond reduction-

They want him for something and its not just for the dealing hes accused of-

jmo

I think he is still high. Plus, he probably knows all the cops and is kidding around with them - most likely thinking that this will be like all of the other times when he was arrested and then let go.

[Melster]

http://www.patbrownprofiling.com/bio.html

masters degree from Boston University

[Elle]

Note: Pat Brown is a former student of mine who

respectfully snipped

With all due respect, my head is not in the sand.

That is interesting imo.

She wrote this about herself
http://www.sheprofilers.com/pages/abou/nicegirl.htm

About 2/3 down, "Gregg McCrary, a former profiler and an instructor at the FBI Academy's profiling unit says this
He faults Brown, who has no formal police training, for criticizing police and for calling the shooter a "loser"--a remark that McCrary says could have provoked further violence.
"To put people on who say those things is reckless of the media,..." (then further down)
Brown says she acquired her skills by reading "hundreds" of psychology and forensics books, attending training seminars and working "dozens and dozens" of homicide cases."
http://www.ajr.org/Article.asp?id=2723

she now has her masters in CJ

[jimbob]

i think RC feels very comfortable, as far as his involvment(sp)....i think he really thinks LE isn't looking at him, as far as Haleigh's disappearance.....a false sense, IMO, that LE has given him, intentionally......but i agree..it's a very strange mugshot, lol

I can clearly see your point , but it must have occured to him by now that none of that matters anymore.Each of them must recieve a minimum of 25 years.Bail is out of the question,there was rumour of other inmates out to get him,if he is out to get another inmate it compounds his sentence.
If the drug bust is genuine i could live to be 100 and still not see what he has to smile about.

[Saint Viva]

I think he is still high. Plus, he probably knows all the cops and is kidding around with them - most likely thinking that this will be like all of the other times when he was arrested and then let go.

He can still be high, but it doesnt not explain his high bail, there are guys like Ron with the same charges in and out of Putnam jail everyday, they want him because they suspect he knows something about what happened to his daughter- JMO

[Tracian]

That is interesting imo.

She wrote this about herself
http://www.sheprofilers.com/pages/abou/nicegirl.htm

About 2/3 down, "Gregg McCrary, a former profiler and an instructor at the FBI Academy's profiling unit says this
He faults Brown, who has no formal police training, for criticizing police and for calling the shooter a "loser"--a remark that McCrary says could have provoked further violence.
"To put people on who say those things is reckless of the media,..." (then further down)
Brown says she acquired her skills by reading "hundreds" of psychology and forensics books, attending training seminars and working "dozens and dozens" of homicide cases."
http://www.ajr.org/Article.asp?id=2723

she now has her masters in CJ


Thanks for the links, interesting, and I doubt all these people are working for the Cummings family.

[cat3]

Of course because she dislikes Ron.

She admitted to not liking Ron on the Levi show.Gee I wonder if that hinders her ability to be fair when she offers her opinion.
IMO

[protectkidz]

He can still be high, but it doesnt not explain his high bail, there are guys like Ron with the same charges in and out of Putnam jail everyday, they want him because they suspect he knows something about what happened to his daughter- JMO

I agree.

I'm also hoping that each and every one of them will finally dry out enough to answer some questions.

I would bet that not a one of them have been entirely sober since before Haleigh went missing.

jmo.

[protectkidz]

She admitted to not liking Ron on the Levi show.Gee I wonder if that hinders her ability to be fair when she offers her opinion.
IMO

yes. not very professional, in my opinion. But an excellent sound byte!!!

[EMAA]

Concerning Haleigh taking pills by accident. I for one don't think this was the case. IMO there is no way a child would mistake this for candy. Even if she put it in her mouth, she would spit it out as soon as it got wet, as powder based pillls are very nasty tasting. I know I've gotten one stuck on my tongue or in my throat and it's a bad taste. They can't even mask the taste. I just don't think this is the likely scenario. jmo

[protectkidz]

Concerning Haleigh taking pills by accident. I for one don't think this was the case. IMO there is no way a child would mistake this for candy. Even if she put it in her mouth, she would spit it out as soon as it got wet, as powder based pillls are very nasty tasting. I know I've gotten one stuck on my tongue or in my throat and it's a bad taste. They can't even mask the taste. I just don't think this is the likely scenario. jmo

I don't know much about this type of drug but is it crushable? do people snort it?

or could it be that there were other drugs around?

[cat3]

yes. not very professional, in my opinion. But an excellent sound byte!!!

Yes...and that is what some go for when looking for information.Sad.

IMO

[whitney]

She's not on a jury. She can have an opinion, likes, dislikes just like everyone else. Her opinions are based on Ron's actions. She has opinions on Misty too but I don't see anyone objecting to that.
Her opinions are the same as mine. However I think the ball started rolling at the 8:30 mark when the supposed fight took place and then Misty was instructed to turn off her phone to avoid cell pings. Something was going on that night and there were plans in place and Tommy going by and no one was home fits my theory. Can someone help me remember if Misty asked Ronald if he had Haleigh when he drove up? JMO

[Tracian]

no, they are just using each of the families for ratings. jmo.


That is what rubs me the wrong way about her; she is making jokes while 'profiling' like she is trying to be entertaining. This is not the first case she has done this, that is one reason why I personally don't agree with her, on basically any case I have seen her comment on.

[Saint Viva]

She's not on a jury. She can have an opinion, likes, dislikes just like everyone else. Her opinions are based on Ron's actions. She has opinions on Misty too but I don't see anyone objecting to that.

I honestly dont understand how anyone can listen to anything Ronald says and not come to the conclusion he has some deep issues, and it stems deeper than having a missing child. I cant imagine anyone truly in their hearts thinking someone stole their child and this child could be getting raped and tortured and the parent would be on TV saying he is going to kill the captor, I would be scared to death they would take it out on my child, and thats how I know Ronald is lying because even I dont think he would antagonize someone with that much power- imo, he knows exactly where HaLeigh is and knows he isn't going to be able to deliver on the terroristic threats he made from the jail in his last interview, imo.

[protectkidz]

She's not on a jury. She can have an opinion, likes, dislikes just like everyone else. Her opinions are based on Ron's actions. She has opinions on Misty too but I don't see anyone objecting to that.

well, I think it's important for people who portray themselves on television as professional criminal profilers, or lawyers, or whatever - behave in a fact-based neutral manner.

In order not to irresponsibly sway public perceptions of the issues.

But that doesn't happen in today's world so ya gotta just understand what you are watching, what type of show it is, and use your own judgement and gut instinct.

jmo.

[jimbob]

:laugh: Somehow I just can't picture Ronald Cummings playing chess.

lol...no , perhaps not , but it sums up the whole of it , look at his eyes , then look at the Croslins eyes.There you see what resignation and defeat looks like,dispair,the whole ball of wax.
Look at Rons , his are alive with merriment and defiance,hes on top of his game at this point or so he apparantly feels.Just my opinion.

[♦Justice♦]

no, it's obvious Marie was going by what someone else told her, IMO....

we know that TN can drive faster than the speed of sound, though....

someone posted a link earlier where it quoted LE saying a neighbor saw Haleigh playing outside in the early evening,,. Maybe Marie got her info from LE.


moo

[cat3]

She's not on a jury. She can have an opinion, likes, dislikes just like everyone else. Her opinions are based on Ron's actions. She has opinions on Misty too but I don't see anyone objecting to that.

But she obviously isn't capable of being fair when it comes to her opinion of RC."He LOOKS like a psychopath".I can understand having an opinion,but when you are in the public eye spouting off at least stick to what you know based on your training.
All I have heard her say about Misty is that Ron controls her,so yet again another slam of Ron.
IMO

[protectkidz]

:thumbsup:

*respectfully snipped

oh man. I don't think that CW would want me to start posting the links I have for Pat Brown (lol), so I will not comment on this again.

[jimbob]

I guess we see people people how we want to. Those who want to see guilt will...and then there are some who want proof before seeing guilt and accusing. I cant base guilt on a persons looks.

Quite right , i havnt pointed any fingers or accusations either , just some interesting observations.

[Saint Viva]

They were arrested for pills but I think they were into a lot of different drugs. Ron has also been arrested for marijuana, cocaine, GHB, heroin, off the top of my head. There are drugs that look like lollipops. Not saying that is what happened but it is a possibility.

And then there is also stuff like Nyquil, and other things a child can be given to sleep and accidentally overdose on- I am very concerned that the little son that was left in the trailer that night and not taken is no where mentioned or can be heard on that 911 call-

jmo

[whitney]

If she is portraying herself as a professional..if I were Ron I'd see a doctor and prove her wrong..and sue her. That make her think twice before slandering the next person. Just my opinion.
LOL I think Ronald has enough problems and has filled his quota of pro bono attorneys. JMO

[jimbob]

I know you didn't mean that literally, I was just laughing at the visual.

I agree there is a marked difference in his mugshot compared to Tommy and Misty. It speaks to his personality, imo. Smug, defiant and detached. He's really creepy to me.

He'll have lots of time to learn now ironicly enough,chess is quite popular amongst long term prisoners.

[whitney]

Doesnt prove he had drugs in his home now does it? Also he was arrested for drugs almost a year AFTER she went missing.
Have to wonder by this comment if Haleigh being missing is as important as not blaming Ronald...Just asking. JMO

[Mimi428]

He doesnt look nervous to me at all , it looks like he has just beat Bobby Fisher at chess.

If he was under the influence of drugs at the time that pic was taken, that could explain it. It's downright amazing how people who are high as a kite can sometimes have the most inexplicable reactions - the kind that seem thoroughly inappropriate to the situation.

JMO

[whitney]

Who could possibly smile like that, knowing that his little girl's been missing almost a year? :thumbdown:

He probably thought he and Misty were being arrested for what happened to Haleigh and was relieved when they told him trafficking drugs. JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

Surely you are referring to someone else.

No, I am referring to the Pat Brown, the same one being discussed here...
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=13839332

She is damaging her reputation IMO. :sad: That's why she is reduced to BNN from my POV. :blushing:for her.

[Kathlb]

Only the information stated by Capt. Schauland on the Mike Galanos show on HLN in early March 2009 (scroll down to post at link)

Caller: how do they know haleigh wasnt killed earlier in the day and maybe later that night they set it up so that the girlfriend would call the boyfriend to say she was missing and propped the thing up against the door to make sure it looked like she had been killed or taken out of the home during that time?

Mike: Lets ask the captain about, captain, when was the last time haleigh was seen alive? Not just from misty? Can you tell us that?

Capt: Her father picked her up from the school bus and took her home in the afternoon. She was seen later in the early evening by a neighbor. And that was the last time she was seen.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6288.msg1041925#msg1041925

Interesting, no mention of the GGrandmother going there. Just neighbors who probably weren't looking at the clock at the time.

[whitney]

I could ask you the same about his guilt.
What an odd thing to say! I am concerned about that little girl and believe her father is involved. jMO

[Saint Viva]

Interesting, no mention of the GGrandmother going there. Just neighbors who probably weren't looking at the clock at the time.

Wow, so the Le said the neighbor is the last to see her, "early" afternoon, to me thats would be after 3-4, maybe when she got off the bus?

My gut instinct is the child died as a result of a fight between Ron and Misty, she sustained an injury that got bad, or it was very sudden and they both feel guilty, Ron could tell Misty its all her fault, if she had not made him mad- Misty would feel guilty, especially if she witnessed it and knows she was the intended target-

jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

He rarely spoke of Jr. in any interview I've ever seen or heard...only when asked. I'm so glad Jr.is away from that situation.

Giving Haleigh something to sleep and she OD'd is also really plausible to me.

I don't advocate dragging siblings through the publicity, especially if they were allegedly present when the other child was taken. I remember how hard the public was on the Smart child as they scrutinized her. Also, I hated it when HaLeigh's brother was put on Geraldo to DESCRIBE the alleged KIDNAPPER. :mad: IT's awfully dangerous IMO.

[Mimi428]

If she is portraying herself as a professional..if I were Ron I'd see a doctor and prove her wrong..and sue her. That make her think twice before slandering the next person. Just my opinion.

Ooooooh, from your fingers to RC's ears.

Personally, I'd LOVE to see him go & take an MMPI & I'd love even more if the results were released.

MOO, those results would either curl your hair or take the curl right out of it, whichever applies (not your hair personally, but the folks in general getting the info).

Go RC, take those tests. The sooner the better.

JMO

[♦Justice♦]

Who could possibly smile like that, knowing that his little girl's been missing almost a year? :thumbdown:

Are you saying Ron and Crystal aren't allowed to smile because Haleigh's missing?

[♦Justice♦]

Ooooooh, from your fingers to RC's ears.

Personally, I'd LOVE to see him go & take an MMPI & I'd love even more if the results were released.

MOO, those results would either curl your hair or take the curl right out of it, whichever applies (not your hair personally, but the folks in general getting the info).

Go RC, take those tests. The sooner the better.

JMO

I would love to see Crystal sue KP for everything she said.. Do you think it will happen?

[whitney]

I thought it was an odd thing when you asked me first. Almost as if you were accusing me of not caring about Haleigh,.hmmmm
No need to back track now you confirmed what I thought all along. JMO

[Saint Viva]

Yes RC did get defiant. At first I thought Ronald was simply being protective of Jr....then I realized RC was showing more anger than worry. imo

Maybe some time soon, we should watch all RC's pressers in the order he gave them and then comment on how his behaviour changed.

Hopefully TJ Ward will run all of Rons interviews through the layered voice analysis and see what he comes up with? That would be very interesting I suspect! jmo

[cat3]

Wow I see so many new posters here this morning...welcome all new posters to IS :thumbsup:

Yes welcome.Funny the names are so similiar to previous posters.It's like the ghosts of posters past.Yikes.

One last post and then I have to git.lol The mugshot of Ron smiling could be as simple as the picture taker said or did something that struck his funny bone.It happens.
Sure hope we hear something soon for Haleigh and her family.
Later all.

[Melster]

Of course because she dislikes Ron.

exactly; she sees Ronald Cummings for what he is...

[whitney]

again, keep up k?

So bad for Ron to smile and laugh but Okay for Crystal to smile and laugh and even live on a farm with crack pipes? :thumbsup:[/QUOTE]

ahh but Crystal has her son now to smile and laugh about...ronald is being booked and going to jail, I fail to see the humor. Even Misty is upset about it.JMO

[Ruff]

I've been enjoying some of today's and yesterday's recap-type discussions, for the most part, but am seeing the start of the slide into tit-for-tat that so often occurs.

Each day, and I've been reading fairly faithfully, there seems to be a common denominator, and it's frustrating to watch for those of us who don't mind seeing lots of opinions be encouraged. The repetition makes it frustrating. JMO

[♦Justice♦]

again, keep up k?

So bad for Ron to smile and laugh but Okay for Crystal to smile and laugh and even live on a farm with crack pipes? :thumbsup:

[Mimi428]

Everytime Ron speaks of his children, IMO it is with so much love.

No doubt he was just full of love & affection when he told Misty to "whip her" on the phone.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, let`s go to the other big story here tonight. Art, you spoke exclusively to one of Ron`s former co-workers. Tell us about the conversation between Ron and Misty that he claims he overheard.

HARRIS: Right, this is a fellow who`s a fellow crane operator, Jane, and he overheard Misty call Ron, and this is what he heard him say. He said, I remember she called him in tears because the little girl was giving her fits.

And he told her, "Whip her. Just whip her and make her be quiet." He said, "Just whip the little brat. She needs to understand it`s time to go to bed. Or put a movie in for her." Then he hung up.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/27/ijvm.01.html

Shucky darn, that great daddy just loves his little girl soooo much.

<sarcasm intended>

JMO

[♦Justice♦]

ahh but Crystal has her son now to smile and laugh about...ronald is being booked and going to jail, I fail to see the humor. Even Misty is upset about it.JMO

I fail to see how anyone would want children living on a farm with crack pipes

MOO

[♦Justice♦]

No doubt he was just full of love & affection when he told Misty to "whip her" on the phone.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, let`s go to the other big story here tonight. Art, you spoke exclusively to one of Ron`s former co-workers. Tell us about the conversation between Ron and Misty that he claims he overheard.

HARRIS: Right, this is a fellow who`s a fellow crane operator, Jane, and he overheard Misty call Ron, and this is what he heard him say. He said, I remember she called him in tears because the little girl was giving her fits.

And he told her, "Whip her. Just whip her and make her be quiet." He said, "Just whip the little brat. She needs to understand it`s time to go to bed. Or put a movie in for her." Then he hung up.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/27/ijvm.01.html

Shucky darn, that great daddy just loves his little girl soooo much.

<sarcasm intended>

JMO
So is today the day we believe Art Harris?

[♦Justice♦]

True Viva. I now believe he was trafficking drugs.

HaLeigh's case is another altogether and I haven't changed my mind Ron is innocent of that.

Lest it gets lost in the shuffle. Drug charges nearly a year later do not mean he hurt his daughter.

MOO

ITA..Great post.

[Mimi428]

The mugshot of Ron smiling could be as simple as the picture taker said or did something that struck his funny bone.It happens.


<snipped>

You could be right about that, but for the life of me I cannot think of a single thing someone could say to me while I was being booked into jail on those kinds of charges that would make me smile.

Not even "April Fooooool, just kidddddding!" would get a smile out of me under those circumstances.

JMO

[whitney]

I fail to see how anyone would want children living on a farm with crack pipes

MOO
Ask the Judge he made that call...have to assume it wasn't proven who those "pipes" belonged to. JMO

[Melster]

I think even if someone else is arrested and Ron is innocent there will always be those who say he was involved and got away with it...It happens in every case.

yes, just like there will always be those that say he was wrongly convicted...it happens w/a lot of cases...

[Mimi428]

Proof Ron said this....spanking kids dont mean you dont love them btw. moo

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13838766#post13838766

Go to post #855 for your answer.

[Kathlb]

Ooooooh, from your fingers to RC's ears.

Personally, I'd LOVE to see him go & take an MMPI & I'd love even more if the results were released.

MOO, those results would either curl your hair or take the curl right out of it, whichever applies (not your hair personally, but the folks in general getting the info).

Go RC, take those tests. The sooner the better.

JMO

Oh yes! I would love that too. It's never been disclosed from LE whether he and Misty passed the lie detector test but I believe it got out that Misty failed them all.

I think it was CFMom that didn't think he'd been charged with drug charges before??? I don't have the link to them all, maybe someone else does. Below is about 1/5 of the list dating back to pre-2004 and the link to see the rest. It goes to 2006 so I'm sure there are more from then until now. This man should have NEVER been given custody of those babies in my mind!! The arrest record was not hidden. I doubt if he changed his spots from 2006 until now. I was really afraid for Junior in that home with him. He seems really unstable to me. Pat Brown has just seen his type many times before I believe and she is also cares about children very much. I can't blame her for not liking him, neither do I. :sad:

The charges cover everything from driving charges to firearms, drugs, drug paraphernalia, Tresspassing....

17 CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 1983-10-29 N/A N/A, N/A N/A N/A
First Name RONALD Middle Name LEMYLES Last Name CUMMINGS
Primary Address N/A City N/A State N/A
ZIP Code N/A Phone Number N/A Date of Birth 1983-10-29
Race WHITE Offense Date 2002-12-12 Source State FL
Offense 0893.13.6A POSSESS GHB POSSESS GHB Gender M


Posted 02-14-09 04:52 PM
UCN: 542004CF002063XXAXMX
File Date: 2004-11-16 Judge: A W NICHOLS III
Defense Atty: FELICIANO, SHARON
Defendant
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES
Date # Docket Description
2004-11-16 1 ARREST REPORT - PCSO EDGAR (ARREST 11/12/04)
2004-11-16 1 POSSESSION OF CANNABIS IN EXCESS OF 20 GRAMS
2004-11-16 1 POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA
2004-11-16 1 MAINTAINING A DRUG VEHICLE
2004-11-16 3 TRAFFIC CITATION - #7877-DBJ 2
2004-11-16 4 AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY
2004-11-16 5 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER FOR 1ST APP HEARING
2004-11-16 6 APPEARANCE BOND - UNSECURED $ 2,012
2004-12-03 7 INFORMATION (CT 1-POSSESSION OF CANNABIS IN EXCESS
2004-12-03 7 OF 20 GRAMS)
2004-12-07 8 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (01-07-2005)
2005-01-07 9 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, SWORN, ARRAIGNED,
2005-01-07 9 PUBLIC DEFENDER APPOINTED, ENTERED PLEA OF NOT GUILTY,
2005-01-07 9 SET FOR PRE TRIAL 02/03/2005.
2005-01-07 10 AFFIDAVIT OF INDIGENT STATUS
2005-01-07 10 DEFENDANT ADJUDGED INDIGENT
2005-01-25 17 PUBLIC DEFENDER, DEFT SCREENED BY TREATMENT AND DEEMED
2005-01-25 17 APPROPRIATE FOR DRUG COURT, DEFT DECLINED THE DRUG COURT
2005-02-03 18 ADI - LEVEL II
2005-03-03 20 DEFT SWORN, W/D FORMER PLEA, PLEAD NOLO A/C, ADVISED
2005-03-03 20 MAX PENALTY 5 YRS DOC &/OR $5000 FINE, PSI WAIVED,
2005-03-03 20 PLEA ACCEPTED, SENTENCING SET SAME DAY
2005-03-03 20 ADJUDICATION OF GUILT WITHHELD
2005-03-03 20 $370.00 COURT COSTS (6 MONTHS TO PAY)
2005-03-03 20 ADI PROGRAM - LEVEL II
2005-09-08 21 CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION OF ADI LEVEL II PROGRAM
************************************************** ****************
Date # Docket Description
2006-11-14 1 TRAFFIC CITATION - #6417-EEN 3 PCSO OFF/MANNING
2006-11-14 1 LEAVING THE SCENE OF ACCIDENT INVOLVING INJURIES
2006-12-12 2 MOTION TO TRANSFER CASE TO COUNTY COURT
2006-12-19 3 ORDER TO TRANSFER CASE TO COUNTY COURT
************************************************** ****************
http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/81919214001/m/89619434001

[protectkidz]

I've been enjoying some of today's and yesterday's recap-type discussions, for the most part, but am seeing the start of the slide into tit-for-tat that so often occurs.

Each day, and I've been reading fairly faithfully, there seems to be a common denominator, and it's frustrating to watch for those of us who don't mind seeing lots of opinions be encouraged. The repetition makes it frustrating. JMO

I agree. Probably best to keep some opinions off the forums.

[Melster]

Her opinions are the same as mine. However I think the ball started rolling at the 8:30 mark when the supposed fight took place and then Misty was instructed to turn off her phone to avoid cell pings. Something was going on that night and there were plans in place and Tommy going by and no one was home fits my theory. Can someone help me remember if Misty asked Ronald if he had Haleigh when he drove up? JMO

exactly...Misty not answering the phone was part of the plan

[5boxersmom]

This was back in May. Have we discussed this man? Seems he was busted for dealing also.

http://community2.myfoxorlando.com/_DRUG-DEALER-SEARCH-and-HALEIGH/blog/281189/72667.html

jmo

[protectkidz]

This was back in May. Have we discussed this man? Seems he was busted for dealing also.

http://community2.myfoxorlando.com/_DRUG-DEALER-SEARCH-and-HALEIGH/blog/281189/72667.html

jmo

didn't I see that he was arrested right when Hope Sykes was?

[Melster]

Her opinions are the same as mine. However I think the ball started rolling at the 8:30 mark when the supposed fight took place and then Misty was instructed to turn off her phone to avoid cell pings. Something was going on that night and there were plans in place and Tommy going by and no one was home fits my theory. Can someone help me remember if Misty asked Ronald if he had Haleigh when he drove up? JMO

meant to add to my last response to you: i don't remember hearing that Misty asked RC if he had Haleigh...

[protectkidz]

I was thinking this morning, maybe Misty WAS telling the truth.

Maybe she DID fall asleep and someone came in and took HaLeigh.

[5boxersmom]

didn't I see that he was arrested right when Hope Sykes was?

Here he is.

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=753945&IMG=51200

There has been another Sykes booked in the jail in the last few minutes.

jmo

[Mimi428]

yes, just like there will always be those that say he was wrongly convicted...it happens w/a lot of cases...

You know it. I don't think I have seen a case yet where somebody, somewhere wasn't convinced that the person, already convicted, was actually innocent.

Scott Peterson, as just one example.

[Melster]

gotta run...Grandson is here:seeya:

[Saint Viva]

exactly...Misty not answering the phone was part of the plan

I beleive that too, and I think at the times of the phone calls, HaLeigh was being taken to wherever she has remained- I think the frantic calls were Ron trying to establish he was at work during that crucial time period-

jmo

[Mimi428]

Thats proof he said it? Someone saying he said it isnt proof...lol

It was good enough for you over the weekend when someone asked you for more than a CNN link.

Goose, gander, etc.

[Saint Viva]

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=758772&IMG=51189

Wonder if this guy is related to Annette Sykes?

[gotmilk?]

Proof Ron said this....spanking kids dont mean you dont love them btw. moo


IIRC that's the same co-worker that put Ron at the plant all night and even eating in the cafeteria. Funny how he isn't believed about that.

[protectkidz]

Here he is.

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=753945&IMG=51200

There has been another Sykes booked in the jail in the last few minutes.

jmo

thanks, 5boxersmom :blink:

[Saint Viva]

Here he is.

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=753945&IMG=51200

There has been another Sykes booked in the jail in the last few minutes.

jmo

Just saw this! I think this guy has had a warrant out for I think destruction of property or something like that, not sure though, no charges coming up- jmo

[protectkidz]

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=758772&IMG=51189

Wonder if this guy is related to Annette Sykes?

are my eyes going bad or are these two booking photos different? one must be from a previous arrest?

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=758772&IMG=51189

edit: ok, I KNOW that the photo you posted was different - his hair was not as light and he was not wearing that special booking photo shroud thing.

[datacop]

He can still be high, but it doesnt not explain his high bail, there are guys like Ron with the same charges in and out of Putnam jail everyday, they want him because they suspect he knows something about what happened to his daughter- JMO


Think you're right but is it possible that part of the high bail is selling to uc. I wouldn't think everyone arrested did that.

[datacop]

I agree.

I'm also hoping that each and every one of them will finally dry out enough to answer some questions.

I would bet that not a one of them have been entirely sober since before Haleigh went missing.

jmo.

you'd think by now they'd be getting close.

[Mimi428]

IIRC that's the same co-worker that put Ron at the plant all night and even eating in the cafeteria. Funny how he isn't believed about that.

You haven't read one post from me saying I don't believe his co-worker, whether he was talking about Ron's phone call to Misty - or Ron being at work that night.

[gotmilk?]

You haven't read one post from me saying I don't believe his co-worker, whether he was talking about Ron's phone call to Misty - or Ron being at work that night.



I just double-checked my post and I didn't use the name mimi in it anywhere.

[datacop]

:laugh: Somehow I just can't picture Ronald Cummings playing chess.

I had the same thought. He's no Stefano.

[datacop]

I honestly dont understand how anyone can listen to anything Ronald says and not come to the conclusion he has some deep issues, and it stems deeper than having a missing child. I cant imagine anyone truly in their hearts thinking someone stole their child and this child could be getting raped and tortured and the parent would be on TV saying he is going to kill the captor, I would be scared to death they would take it out on my child, and thats how I know Ronald is lying because even I dont think he would antagonize someone with that much power- imo, he knows exactly where HaLeigh is and knows he isn't going to be able to deliver on the terroristic threats he made from the jail in his last interview, imo.

All I can say is WOW. Hadn't even thought of that part.

[datacop]

And then there is also stuff like Nyquil, and other things a child can be given to sleep and accidentally overdose on- I am very concerned that the little son that was left in the trailer that night and not taken is no where mentioned or can be heard on that 911 call-

jmo

Speaking of Jr. what did Ron say about him in the interview from jail?

[Saint Viva]

Speaking of Jr. what did Ron say about him in the interview from jail?

Let me check on that, nothing I can recall.....jmo

[datacop]

Who could possibly smile like that, knowing that his little girl's been missing almost a year? :thumbdown:


Who could possibly smile like that, even without having a little girl being missing?

[Tracian]

Rather harsh opinion of a well respected profession, IMO.

Profiling is as old as the Jack The Ripper Case, and has been used immensely in recent high profile cases, as in OJ and the Jon Benet Ramsey Case.

http://www.ehow.com/about_5060979_criminal-profiler.html


The harsh words come from her former instructor and an FBI agent; they are not commenting on the profession, just this person in-particular.

[protectkidz]

Rather harsh opinion of a well respected profession, IMO.

Profiling is as old as the Jack The Ripper Case, and has been used immensely in recent high profile cases, as in OJ and the Jon Benet Ramsey Case.

http://www.ehow.com/about_5060979_criminal-profiler.html

she's NOT a profiler.

she just plays one on TV.

[protectkidz]

Who could possibly smile like that, even without having a little girl being missing?

funny :laugh:

[Saint Viva]

Lee Sykes has 4 active warrants for stolen property, so thats why he is probably in- jmo

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=758772&IMG=51189

'Warrants Search-

http://www.pcso.us/warrantsSearch

[protectkidz]

Lee Sykes has 4 active warrants for stolen property, so thats why he is probably in- jmo

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=758772&IMG=51189

'Warrants Search-

http://www.pcso.us/warrantsSearch

thank you.

[Mimi428]

spanking kids dont mean you dont love them btw. moo

<snipped>

I guess Haleigh & Junior got 'loved' plenty, then.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13838766#post13838766

Haleigh's great-grandmother, Annette Sykes, told Channel 4 any claims of abuse are lies.

"It's ridiculous. Ronald spanked his children just like children's services says you can spank them -- on the rear end. I'm from old school, I believe in correcting a child if they don’t mind. That's the way Ronald is, and that's the way he was raised," Sykes said.

[♦Justice♦]

edited to add quotation marks

Ron and Crystal went to parenting classes and were taught by DCF how to spank the children. It's not against the law or abuse.

[♦Justice♦]

I would think what KP said would have to be a lie for that to be possible. :shrug:

Hopefully Crystal is too busy helping her son maneuver his way through this mess to worry about that yet.

If it was lies, someone will suggest she sue down the road.
Time will tell.

MOO


ITA...

I have a gut feeling KP told the truth about Crystal...MOO

[protectkidz]

<snipped>

I guess Haleigh & Junior got 'loved' plenty, then.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13838766#post13838766

Haleigh's great-grandmother, Annette Sykes, told Channel 4 any claims of abuse are lies.

"It's ridiculous. Ronald spanked his children just like children's services says you can spank them -- on the rear end. I'm from old school, I believe in correcting a child if they don’t mind. That's the way Ronald is, and that's the way he was raised," Sykes said.

this is my favorite part:

"just like children's services says you can spank them -- on the rear end."

what? did they call to check that it was ok?

ugh.

[Tracian]

Spanking is Child Abuse!
http://www.momlogic.com/2009/06/spanking_is_child_abuse.php


That is a matter of opinion, not fact based. It is quite possible both sides of the family spank.

http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/nurtureshock/archive/2009/12/30/never-been-spanked.aspx

[Saint Viva]

Ron and Crystal went to parenting classes and were taught by DCF how to spank the children. It's not against the law or abuse.

Never heard this "fact" that DCF had to show Crystal how to punish her kids, can you link us to that fact? TIA

[EMAA]

I would say with her resume and background in aiding law enforcement agencies, she is well qualified . It appears that she is sought out by many TV channels, inc. CNN, CTV, etc.

http://www.patbrownprofiling.com/bio.html

She is----for her opinion only. jmo

[♦Justice♦]

this is my favorite part:

"just like children's services says you can spank them -- on the rear end."

what? did they call to check that it was ok?

ugh.

Ron and Crystal both had to take a parenting class and DCF taught them both the correct way to spank the children.

[protectkidz]

I would say with her resume and background in aiding law enforcement agencies, she is well qualified . It appears that she is sought out by many TV channels, inc. CNN, CTV, etc.

http://www.patbrownprofiling.com/bio.html

not law enforcement, but definitely NG.

[Tracian]

this is my favorite part:

"just like children's services says you can spank them -- on the rear end."

what? did they call to check that it was ok?

ugh.

IIRC DCF was called, they came out and discussed the proper ways to use corporal punishment.

[datacop]

not law enforcement, but definitely NG.

Wonder if she'll be back on NG after last week.

[protectkidz]

Ron and Crystal both had to take a parenting class and DCF taught them both the correct way to spank the children.

but Justice, that means that they discussed this with Grandma Sykes?

How would Grandma Sykes know what they learned about spanking in those classes unless it was discussed at home? About the legal way to spank a child?

just askin...not trying to lay blame but there is something fishy about that.

Not to mention all of the bruises - the child looks bruised (imo) in every photo I've seen of her, practically.

I had wondered if it was a side affect of the Turners.

[gotmilk?]

edited to add quotation marks

Not according to Florida law.

[protectkidz]

Wonder if she'll be back on NG after last week.

why, what happened last week?

[♦Justice♦]

IIRC that's the same co-worker that put Ron at the plant all night and even eating in the cafeteria. Funny how he isn't believed about that.

I was thinking the same thing.

[Mimi428]

this is my favorite part:

"just like children's services says you can spank them -- on the rear end."

what? did they call to check that it was ok?

ugh.

What's interesting to me is that BOTH RC & AS said essentially the same thing.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,498153,00.html

RIVERA: They told — they told me that you hit Haleigh. Is that true?

CUMMINGS: No. Never, ever have I ever hit my child. Me and my child have an agreement. Daddy, daughter. She has been spanked on her behind the way DCF says that you can take care of disciplining your children.

But all that aside...scroll all the way to the bottom for RC's quote about believing Haleigh was alive...

RIVERA: You believe she’s alive then?

CUMMINGS: I’m always gonna believe that my daughter’s alive until they find her.

Makes ya wonder what he will believe AFTER they find her.

Speaking only for myself, I find those sorts of Freudian slips VERY interesting. RC has made several. Like the jailhouse interview where he said if he knew where Haleigh was, he'd be in DOC.

JMO

[datacop]

Lee Sykes has 4 active warrants for stolen property, so thats why he is probably in- jmo

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=758772&IMG=51189

'Warrants Search-

http://www.pcso.us/warrantsSearch


Charges are up now. Total $55+ grand on the bail. At $6 grand a pop, they do add up.

Any idea if he's another relative?

[EMAA]

but Justice, that means that they discussed this with Grandma Sykes?

How would Grandma Sykes know what they learned about spanking in those classes unless it was discussed at home? About the legal way to spank a child?

just askin...not trying to lay blame but there is something fishy about that.

Not to mention all of the bruises - the child looks bruised (imo) in every photo I've seen of her, practically.

I had wondered if it was a side affect of the Turners.



A five year old that doesn't have bruises sits on a stool in the corner and never moves IMO.

[gotmilk?]

this is my favorite part:

"just like children's services says you can spank them -- on the rear end."

what? did they call to check that it was ok?

ugh.



Ron went through a parenting class when he got custody. Since it was court ordered it was probably a class through DCF.

[Januarybaby]

Proof Ron said this....spanking kids dont mean you dont love them btw. moo

My problem with the statement is just whip her to be quiet. I cant see anyone spanking a kid to make them be quiet. Kids are kids and what comes with them is alot of noise. I have a child with a disability, I would never think of spanking her just to make her be quiet. In fact, spanking a child is going to make more noise, after all, they will cry and be upset.

[protectkidz]

Our public schools paddle...a wooden paddle to the childs butt...so its my opinion a hand to the butt is even less. MOO but some will make it abuse ebcause Ron did it. I will be willing to bet Crystal spanks too. MOO

I would NEVER send my child to a school that advocated corporal punishment.

It is MY opinion that spanking teaches violence, and comes from violence.

Children respond and learn much better from less extreme measures.

[♦Justice♦]

but Justice, that means that they discussed this with Grandma Sykes?

How would Grandma Sykes know what they learned about spanking in those classes unless it was discussed at home? About the legal way to spank a child?

just askin...not trying to lay blame but there is something fishy about that.

Not to mention all of the bruises - the child looks bruised (imo) in every photo I've seen of her, practically.

I had wondered if it was a side affect of the Turners.
Maybe they talked to their family about the classes so they knew how to spank the children properly.

[datacop]

What's interesting to me is that BOTH RC & AS said essentially the same thing.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,498153,00.html

RIVERA: They told — they told me that you hit Haleigh. Is that true?

CUMMINGS: No. Never, ever have I ever hit my child. Me and my child have an agreement. Daddy, daughter. She has been spanked on her behind the way DCF says that you can take care of disciplining your children.

But all that aside...scroll all the way to the bottom for RC's quote about believing Haleigh was alive...

RIVERA: You believe she’s alive then?

CUMMINGS: I’m always gonna believe that my daughter’s alive until they find her.

Makes ya wonder what he will believe AFTER they find her.

Speaking only for myself, I find those sorts of Freudian slips VERY interesting. RC has made several. Like the jailhouse interview where he said if he knew where Haleigh was, he'd be in DOC.

JMO


Yea, and as pointed out earlier, with comments like that HaLeigh wouldn't be alive, if she is/was.

[Saint Viva]

Charges are up now. Total $55+ grand on the bail. At $6 grand a pop, they do add up.

Any idea if he's another relative?

Not sure if he is, have heard he is Hope Sykes brother, wonder if shes talking? He does seem to favor Annette-

jmo

[♦Justice♦]

I would NEVER send my child to a school that advocated corporal punishment.

It is MY opinion that spanking teaches violence, and comes from violence.

Children respond and learn much better from less extreme measures.

I could never send my children to a school that advocated corporal punishment either. I just don't believe in it at all.

[protectkidz]

What's interesting to me is that BOTH RC & AS said essentially the same thing.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,498153,00.html

RIVERA: They told — they told me that you hit Haleigh. Is that true?

CUMMINGS: No. Never, ever have I ever hit my child. Me and my child have an agreement. Daddy, daughter. She has been spanked on her behind the way DCF says that you can take care of disciplining your children.

But all that aside...scroll all the way to the bottom for RC's quote about believing Haleigh was alive...

RIVERA: You believe she’s alive then?

CUMMINGS: I’m always gonna believe that my daughter’s alive until they find her.

Makes ya wonder what he will believe AFTER they find her.

Speaking only for myself, I find those sorts of Freudian slips VERY interesting. RC has made several. Like the jailhouse interview where he said if he knew where Haleigh was, he'd be in DOC.

JMO

exactly about both saying the same thing. They had to have discussed it.

The rest of that makes me want to vomit.

Gotta go, guys. Nice talking to you all and hope you can keep the peace.

[Januarybaby]

Here in PA, it is ok to spank your child as long as you do not leave bruises or marks. I wonder if thats what they mean in Florida too. I still have a problem with spanking a child just to make them be quiet.

[jimbob]

If he was under the influence of drugs at the time that pic was taken, that could explain it. It's downright amazing how people who are high as a kite can sometimes have the most inexplicable reactions - the kind that seem thoroughly inappropriate to the situation.

JMO

Yep , id agree now you mention it , must be some pretty good stuff too , to keep on smiling watching cops process you into the pokey on a one way ticket.

[Januarybaby]

I may be wrong but didnt once Ron get cleared of abuse CW said to not discuss that anymore...anyone know?

http://www.wesh.com/news/20075323/detail.html

Not sure. I am not saying that he is abusive because I really do not have proof from anywhere. The only thing disturbing me is that he would want Misty to hit his disabled child just to make her quiet.

[gotmilk?]

I may be wrong but didnt once Ron get cleared of abuse CW said to not discuss that anymore...anyone know?


No abuse accusations without proof is what she said.

[Tracian]

I would say with her resume and background in aiding law enforcement agencies, she is well qualified . It appears that she is sought out by many TV channels, inc. CNN, CTV, etc.

http://www.patbrownprofiling.com/bio.html


Well, I will take the word of a professional:

If McCrary seems a bit self-critical, he saves most of his contempt for fellow sniper commentators. He contends many pundits designated as "experts" by the press lacked proper qualifications to discuss the case. He faults Brown, who has no formal police training, for criticizing police and for calling the shooter a "loser"--a remark that McCrary says could have provoked further violence.


He also says:

Just declaring yourself to be a profiler doesn't really make you a profiler."



http://www.ajr.org/Article.asp?id=2723

[Saint Viva]

Well, I will take the word of a professional:

If McCrary seems a bit self-critical, he saves most of his contempt for fellow sniper commentators. He contends many pundits designated as "experts" by the press lacked proper qualifications to discuss the case. He faults Brown, who has no formal police training, for criticizing police and for calling the shooter a "loser"--a remark that McCrary says could have provoked further violence.


He also says:

Just declaring yourself to be a profiler doesn't really make you a profiler."



http://www.ajr.org/Article.asp?id=2723

Well, it sort of appears people like Jane Velez Mitchell and Nancy Grace and others haven't taken McCrarys opinions to heart, I think using reality and logic, we can always find someone who is going to say something bad about someone, one person in the world does not define your life, HOPEFULLY-

jmo

[protectkidz]

Well DCF ruled he wasnt abusive. Period.

we weren't necessarily talking abuse, we were discussing the spanking.

I stated that I felt she had a lot of bruises - which she did at least one time, when she got hurt at school, correct?

But her Turners could have made her anemic or bump-prone, and as another poster pointed out, 5 year olds that are active get bumps and bruises.

But I am definitely of the opinion that any spanking at all disturbs me - especially in light of the fact that the child is now missing.

Neither here nor there, just my own opinion, until more facts can be found.

[5boxersmom]

Nancy Grace Tonight – Haleigh’s former stepmom Misty Croslin allegedly reveals to investigators behind bars that her brother Tommy Croslin had stolen items in their house! Now facing new charges of burglary & grand theft, Tommy Croslin looks at life in prison if convicted. This as Haleigh’s dad Ronald Cummings is transferred to a new jail! Why?

http://www.facebook.com/#/NancyGraceHLN?ref=nf

[protectkidz]

looks like Sykes has been released. Less than 1 hour in custody.

Go Putnam County!!

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=758772&IMG=51189

[datacop]

Nancy Grace Tonight – Haleigh’s former stepmom Misty Croslin allegedly reveals to investigators behind bars that her brother Tommy Croslin had stolen items in their house! Now facing new charges of burglary & grand theft, Tommy Croslin looks at life in prison if convicted. This as Haleigh’s dad Ronald Cummings is transferred to a new jail! Why?

http://www.facebook.com/#/NancyGraceHLN?ref=nf


Wow she's right on it... is today Thursday or Saturday?:bored:

[datacop]

looks like Sykes has been released. Less than 1 hour in custody.

Go Putnam County!!

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=758772&IMG=51189


Since there's nothing in the bail column, it probably means he's going somewhere else .. like 3 of the ones did almost 2 weeks ago.

[Saint Viva]

Since there's nothing in the bail column, it probably means he's going somewhere else .. like 3 of the ones did almost 2 weeks ago.

Yeah....interesting.......

[HouseOfClark]

Well there is no proof since he was cleared by DCF..right?

Yes but he AND Misty were ordered to undergo parenting classes, which we don't know if they ever took.

JMO

[Tracian]

Yes but he AND Misty were ordered to undergo parenting classes, which we don't know if they ever took.

JMO


I don't have the link, but IIRC DCF strongly recommended, they didn't order it.

[HouseOfClark]

I think it is ridiculous to think someone would say
whip her.....or let her watch a movie, and actually mean it.

sounds more like, well Haleigh wont settle down, hmmm, well you can either whip her, or simply put a movie in for her
like Haleigh has a splinter, well either cut off her arm or take out the splinter.
Your dad said I have 2 choices, can whip you, or....let you watch a movie

It just IMO seems more like he was offereing an extreme to highlight an obvious choice.

If that is not the case, I simply find it an almost unbelievable nonsensical statment, whip her, or let her watch a show.

if it was said at all

moo

So are we to believe the same co-worker when he says that Ron was at work all night but he can't be believed with the "Whip her" statement?

[CanCan]

oh, that's right..some still think RC's an undercover agent:blink:

my theory still stands though...at some point, once Haleigh got home from school, she was hurt...hurt badly...she was tucked away somewhere in the trailer, while RC rushed off as fast as he could...(to work, or where ever)....Tommy was asked to go over to the trailer to help Misty dispose of Haleigh.....at one point i thought Ronald may have taken Haleigh, himself, to dispose of her..(i still flip on that occasionally, however i don't think RC would do the dirty work, himself....he'd have someone else do it)

all jmo

Yes..............and possibly temporarily tucked away in the dumpster?

jmo :mellow:

[gotmilk?]

I don't have the link, but IIRC DCF strongly recommended, they didn't order it.



I recall the same.

[HouseOfClark]

I don't have the link, but IIRC DCF strongly recommended, they didn't order it.

So was there a reason for them to "strongly recommend" it or not?

Or did they just "strongly recommend" it to give Ron and Misty something to do?

[Januarybaby]

I think it is ridiculous to think someone would say
whip her.....or let her watch a movie, and actually mean it.

sounds more like, well Haleigh wont settle down, hmmm, well you can either whip her, or simply put a movie in for her
like Haleigh has a splinter, well either cut off her arm or take out the splinter.
Your dad said I have 2 choices, can whip you, or....let you watch a movie

It just IMO seems more like he was offereing an extreme to highlight an obvious choice.

If that is not the case, I simply find it an almost unbelievable nonsensical statment, whip her, or let her watch a show.

if it was said at all

moo

This is true. Could be he was giving the choice.

[Tracian]

So was there a reason for them to "strongly recommend" it or not?

Or did they just "strongly recommend" it to give Ron and Misty something to do?

I don't know, this statement came out the same time that DCF stated they found no abuse.

[Motomom]

So are we to believe the same co-worker when he says that Ron was at work all night but he can't be believed with the "Whip her" statement?

Was it the same co-worker? Elle gave a good explanation and she's right IMO. It doesn't make sense to say whip her.. or just put a movie in.

[gotmilk?]

So was there a reason for them to "strongly recommend" it or not?

Or did they just "strongly recommend" it to give Ron and Misty something to do?



Ron's discipline didn't rise to the level of child abuse but maybe they were offering other forms of discipline. Maybe they hoped it would stop the unfounded reports.

[HouseOfClark]

I don't know, this statement came out the same time that DCF stated they found no abuse.

Right. So they find no abuse, but "strongly recommend" parenting classes for Ron and Misty.

For what reason?

[Elle]

So are we to believe the same co-worker when he says that Ron was at work all night but he can't be believed with the "Whip her" statement?

I don't recall addressing that in my post. Simply stating my take on an alleged statement overheard and what it sounded like to me.

[HouseOfClark]

Ron's discipline didn't rise to the level of child abuse but maybe they were offering other forms of discipline. Maybe they hoped it would stop the unfounded reports.

Or Ron's didn't, but Misty's did?

[HenLee]

Since there's nothing in the bail column, it probably means he's going somewhere else .. like 3 of the ones did almost 2 weeks ago. The mug shot of Sykes, Lee is from Green Cove Springs, which is in Clay County. Was he arrested in Putnam or Clay County??? Very Confusing, IMO

[datacop]

So was there a reason for them to "strongly recommend" it or not?

Or did they just "strongly recommend" it to give Ron and Misty something to do?

Guess it doesn't matter at this point. Neither he nor Misty will need it.

[Tracian]

Right. So they find no abuse, but "strongly recommend" parenting classes for Ron and Misty.

For what reason?


Again, I don't have the slightest clue. The fact is DCF cleared Ron of abuse, but strongly recommended the parenting class. It could be for a hundred reasons, or it could be standard when a complaint is cleared as a way to support the ruling by DCF.

[gotmilk?]

Or Ron's didn't, but Misty's did?


I don't think they would have left Jr in the home with her if they found proof she abused him.

[Januarybaby]

Or Ron's didn't, but Misty's did?

I was thinking the same. If Misty was so tired from 3 days of partying and wanted to go to sleep......well, right now we dont know how short Mistys fuse is or how badly she wanted the kids to go to sleep so she could too or if they were on her nerves.

I am not saying that anyone was/is abusive, its just speculation as to what could have happened.

[datacop]

The mug shot of Sykes, Lee is from Green Cove Springs, which is in Clay County. Was he arrested in Putnam or Clay County??? Very Confusing, IMO

He showed up on Putnam County jail log and then was released in less than an hour. The last I checked there was no indication that the bond was paid.

I know this doesn't answer your question but it's all I know.

[HouseOfClark]

I don't think they would have left Jr in the home with her if they found proof she abused him.

So why was she "strongly recommended" to take a parenting class at the end of a DCF investigation?

(Keeping in mind that the "abuse" in question would have occurred prior to Haleigh's disappearance, but not investigated until a few months later, what type of proof would they find?)

[datacop]

I don't think they would have left Jr in the home with her if they found proof she abused him.


DCF?

Just tossing this out 'cause I've no idea if the time line would work, but could that have been the reason for the divorce.