Wed. Jan. 27, 2010

[Rucky*Ron]

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=HAMC

[Santa'sMom]

I contacted CW about changing "Tuesday" to "Wednesday".
Sorry about that folks.

Whoa! I'm glad I missed that! Someone broke the news to me at about 10 pm that it was only Tuesday, not Wednesday and then you had it being Tuesday yet again. That would be too cruel. I LOVE my job, but I love my weekends too!

[CANDYKISSES]

Native Alien, respectfully, perhaps your post would be received via the U.S. mail or email. I don't think TN reads the message boards. JMO and I believe Coldwater has been clear about leaving the grandparents out of the fray.

Prayers for HaLeigh and her family throughout this tragedy. :wub:

[Mel]

i'm just happy these two (RC & Misty) are locked up...it's a good feeling to hear Misty isn't doing very good, & RC is sleeping under his cot:)

[CFMom]

This post is just my opinion but it something that I seriously feel the need to say.

First of all Teresa Neves, you can not change what you have said in the past. Please do not have the thought in your head that the general public is as stupid as some of the people around you. It is evident from the police reports and warrants exactly who was doing what. Your son wasn't trying to keep Misti close to find out what happened to Haleigh.

Secondly, you are making things increasingly difficult for whatever attorney is going to have to defend him. They have audio and video of him dealing directly to the uc on at least 3 different occasions. If Misti, an 18 year girl, could manipulate him into doing that, then not only did you raise a very weak man but a stupid one as well.

Please Teresa, for your sake, and for the sake of your son, SHUT UP and QUIT DOING INTERVIEWS. You are not going to sell your line of bs to the general public, you are tainting the jury pool, and you are way too late to make a difference in the life of your granddaughter.

REMEMBER HER? HALEIGH WAS HER NAME.

Teresa is a mother...many mothers think their children walk on water.

[just4justice]

I could almost laugh at these jailees suddenly having an epiphany and finding the Bible. Too little, too late.
As for PCSO, I will wait to apologize until they have connected the dots. This maybe a start, but for now it appears they sat on their laurels for 10 months. Perhaps this is the way it was supposed to be considering the FA charts. We now know they were spot on in the Caylee case and also the Morgan Harrington case. I suppose I should give LE more wiggle room in that they may have been waiting until Misty attained the age of majority to set up a sting..... better to try her as an adult than a juvie.
Will this case finally be solved in mid-February? http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4669295&postcount=377

[CFMom]

Native Alien, respectfully, perhaps your post would be received via the U.S. mail or email. I don't think TN reads the message boards. JMO and I believe Coldwater has been clear about leaving the grandparents out of the fray.

Prayers for HaLeigh and her family throughout this tragedy. :wub:

I am glad CW put a stop to bashing TN. I dont think anyone suspects her of harming Haleigh and anything she says regarding Ron is a mothers talk and nothing more. No mother wants to see bad in their kids. Bashing her benefits Haleigh not at all nor does it help locate her.MOO

[CFMom]

i'm just happy these two (RC & Misty) are locked up...it's a good feeling to hear Misty isn't doing very good, & RC is sleeping under his cot:)

Hopefully both will reflect on their illegal actions and if either is guilty of harming Haleigh I hope thoughts of her keep them up all night for ever.

[just4justice]

For anyone searching re the Sapp connection the last name is Griffis NOT Griffiths. Could get a bit confusing.

ETA He had moved to 2nd Ave. with Billye Lee (nee Wager) Griffis. I found the death of her husband a bit too coincidental and highly suspicious. However, no charges were brought against the driver who hit him.

[CFMom]

With them all living so close by the night Haleigh went missing her body could have been hid at someone else's home, in a closet or something until it was safe to dispose of her. LE didn't search all the homes.

[Texas48]

Teresa is a mother...many mothers think their children walk on water.
And I think some of us tend to forget that at any given time we could be in the same nightmare as TN..yes..a mother and a grandmother.:sad:

[Saint Viva]

Its Guy Sapp who is related to Lindsy Croslin.

Lindsy is half owner along with Guy Sapp of the house at 116 Tyler

moo

Thats what I thought, so this Sapp in jail is no relation to any of the players and it is not known if he even knew the Cummings- TY!

[Dunlurken]

i'm just happy these two (RC & Misty) are locked up...it's a good feeling to hear Misty isn't doing very good, & RC is sleeping under his cot:)

Does anyone have a link or any information on this? I'd love to see it. I did see where Misty "found God and requested a Bible". But nothing about Ron sleeping under his cot. LMAO. Is it on the links thread? TIA. :w00t:

Oh, morning all!

[Texas48]

I don't understand how Ron could be calling someone anytime he wants to..I have seen payphones located in areas close to the cells (on TV)

"I think one day, he called eight times. He was pretty lonely that day, I guess," said Neves

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/012610-ronald-cummings-mother-talks-arrests-haleigh

[Texas48]

Does anyone have a link or any information on this? I'd love to see it. I did see where Misty "found God and requested a Bible". But nothing about Ron sleeping under his cot. LMAO. Is it on the links thread? TIA. :w00t:

Oh, morning all!
Theresa says Ron has been forced to sleep under his cot..

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/012610-ronald-cummings-mother-talks-arrests-haleigh

[?noanswer]

I am going to try and post a recap of the charges.


Incident # Date Seller(s) # Pills - $Value Bond

11307 12-22-09 MC – HC (Kelly Present) 45 - $650. 100,000.
209 (ST. John Co.) 01-08-10 MC - DB 135 - $800. 250,000.
336 01-12-10 MC – RC - HS 4 - 28. 100,000.
359 01-13-10 MC - RC 25 - 190. 150,000.
398 01-14-10 MC -RC 71 - 530. 250,000.
510 01-18-10 MC (Kelly Present) 18 - 140. 100,000.
??? 01-20-10? MC ??? ? - 1,562? ???

So far I have not found an incident report where MC & RC sold to the UC, but it was supposedly the night they were arrested )01-20.

(Didn't show up as I tried to post. Just the way IS does it. If anyone knows how to post a table, let me know.)

JMO

[Saint Viva]

I don't understand how Ron could be calling someone anytime he wants to..I have seen payphones located in areas close to the cells (on TV)

"I think one day, he called eight times. He was pretty lonely that day, I guess," said Neves

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/012610-ronald-cummings-mother-talks-arrests-haleigh

And we will be able to hear these phone calls, thanks to the sunshine law!

[just4justice]

Thats what I thought, so this Sapp in jail is no relation to any of the players and it is not known if he even knew the Cummings- TY!
Sorry. You are wrong. I don't have time to hunt for the link right now as I have children here, but I will later and post it for you. Guy Sapp is Donald L. Sapp's father and he did live with the Tommy Croslin family for a brief time when he returned to Satsuma.

[Dunlurken]

And we will be able to hear these phone calls, thanks to the sunshine law!

From that link you just posted which is on the links thread:

"He said he read a 376 page book from three in the morning until three in the afternoon. So he's doing a lot of reading, a lot of Bible study," said Neves.

Theresa says Ronald is in a jail cell alone, in protective custody. He has a cot and a toilet in his room. The lights in his cell stay on all day and all night, so Theresa says Ron has been forced to sleep under his cot to try and get out of the light."

LMAO. Obviously I am very ANGRY at him. JMO.

[Dunlurken]

I was doing a search for more Sapp info and I came across this video of Lindsy and Lisa. I had never seen it before, thought some of you maybe interested in it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvswuH4abSo
Thanks for the link. Interesting. Who is Lindsy? I keep forgetting. TIA.

[Saint Viva]

Haleigh Cummings & Caylee Anthony- BNN Radio Wrap Up Oct 18 ...
If I'm not mistaken Donald Sapp lived with Billye Griffis and not any Croslins. =================== Guy Sapp is Lindsy's grandfather and no kin to Donald ...

www.bloggernews.net/122652 - Similar

TY, thats what I thought-

[Saint Viva]

Thanks for the link. Interesting. Who is Lindsy? I keep forgetting. TIA.

She is Tommy Croslins wife-

[Dunlurken]

She is Tommy Croslins wife-Hank jr? Okay, now I remember. thanks.

So Lisa (Misty's mother) is her MIL? Sheesh.

[CFMom]

And I think some of us tend to forget that at any given time we could be in the same nightmare as TN..yes..a mother and a grandmother.:sad:

ABSOLUTELY! and as a mother I'd stand by my child NOT because he was RIGHT but because he was MY CHILD..and God forgive me but I might make excuses to.

[CFMom]

I don't understand how Ron could be calling someone anytime he wants to..I have seen payphones located in areas close to the cells (on TV)

"I think one day, he called eight times. He was pretty lonely that day, I guess," said Neves

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/012610-ronald-cummings-mother-talks-arrests-haleigh

Honestly..I think he's being given free phone use and the phone is tapped and LE is willing to do anything legal to find Haleigh at this point. MOO

[CFMom]

No worries, I wasn't bashing anyone. I stated it was just my opinion and the facts are all in the interviews that already have links posted to them. I don't see how you can leave MG or TN or even AS out because there are things that they have said and done that are directly case directed.

I may be wrong but I think we can discuss them just cant bash them. :confused:

[just4justice]

As for the You Tube video where Lisa Croslin says Haleigh must have gotten up and changed the movie....AH and TJ Hart both said it couldn't have happened. She could not have reached the player as it was up too high.
I'm not going to argue about Sapp and the other players. It is a huge waste of time. In the end, it will all be proven.

[CFMom]

This could be what that poster is using for referance. Wyks could be wrong as he also says further up on his Who's Who, that Ron could possibly have a brother.

The Billye/Jeffrey/Sapp connection is quite a story from what I read in the past.

If today is the day to believe Cobra and Art, they both say Donald was with Tommy at the trailer the day of Haleigh's disappearance watching her jump on the trampoline. The problem with that story is there was NO trampoline at Green Ln. It was at Tyler St.


~~~

Donald Lee Sapp Registered Sex Offender
possibly related in some way to Guy W. Sapp, Raymond Sapp, (which would make Donald related by marriage to Misty Croslin), and possibly related in some way to a Griffis (which could make Donald related by marriage as a maternal cousin to Haleigh Cummings).

From Putnam, at one time lived in the same town as Haleigh's mother, Crystal, in Glenn Saint Mary, FL, has also lived in Mcclenny, FL, where some of Crystal's family is from/living.

----> Registered Sex Offender, arrested on 6-12-1997 for lewd/lascivious assault on 14 yr old female, occuring in East Palatka. At the time he was already serving probation for a prev. charge of l/l assault on 13 yr old female runaway. In 2000 he was arrested for trying to set up a meeting with a 10 yr old female, on a sting with her father in an internet chatroom. Billye Lee Griffis had testified in Donald's trial in the 1990's. A Raymond Sapp contributed to bail in one of Donald's cases, and Donald is mentioned in Raymond obituary in 2005. Donald was married and has four children, according to Raymond Sapp's obituary.

Donald moved to 315 2nd Ave, Satsuma, (which is 3.6 miles from the Cummings home). In doing public records search, 315 2nd Ave. comes up as being owned by and having been the residence of Jeffrey Michael Griffis and Billye Lee (Wager?) Griffis. (see http://www1.putnam-fl.com/live/papage.asp?id=8132 ).

On 12-30-2008, Billye files a petition for injunction against domestic violence against Jeffrey, who is served a subpeona on 01-02-2009.

On 01-05-09, Jeffrey files a petition for injunction against domestic violence on behalf of his children against Donald Sapp. It was denied. Three days later Jeffrey was dead.

Jeffrey M. Griffis, age 29, was hit by a car on 1/7/2009 and died the next day. Benjamin D. Prewitt, 74, of Crescent City, was driving southbound on U.S. 17 on the Dunns Creek Bridge when he failed to see Griffis in the roadway. (He was standing in the road/freeway, was he suicidal? Local rumor has it that his wife Billye and Donald L. Sapp were carrying on.)

Donald Lee Sapp moved into Jeffrey and Billye's home on 1/26/2009, a few weeks after Jeffrey's death. Did Billye stay in the home or had she moved out?

A few weeks after Donald moved in, Haleigh disappeared.

Donald's Pic:
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee166/benzo_013/sexoffender.jpg



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So a sex offender watched Haleigh jump on a trampoline that day wow!!! Maybe she was at Tommys with Misty that day *if thats where the trampoline was* Maybe this is where the idea to take her came in at . MOO

[HouseOfClark]

Just so I'm clear, the 2nd Avenue address in Waleka which is listed as the site of a drug deal, is not the same 2nd Avenue address in Satsuma which was posted via link yesterday for Donald Sapp's address, right?

Two different towns, two different 2nd Avenues?

[Saint Viva]

As for the You Tube video where Lisa Croslin says Haleigh must have gotten up and changed the movie....AH and TJ Hart both said it couldn't have happened. She could not have reached the player as it was up too high.
I'm not going to argue about Sapp and the other players. It is a huge waste of time. In the end, it will all be proven.

Good, but since they are not related I dont know how its going to be proven, but if you hope so, thats great- logic says if Sapp had anything to do with this, ron and Misty would never cover for him, unless they loved Sapp more than HaLeigh, and since it cant even be proven that they know each other..... There are lots of Sapps in that area, and not all are related-

jmo

[CFMom]

Good, but since they are not related I dont know how its going to be proven, but if you hope so, thats great- logic says if Sapp had anything to do with this, ron and Misty would never cover for him, unless they loved Sapp more than HaLeigh, and since it cant even be proven that they know each other..... There are lots of Sapps in that area, and not all are related-

jmo

Why would Ron need to love him more than Haleigh to not know who took her?

[Texas48]

And we will be able to hear these phone calls, thanks to the sunshine law!
I hope so..let the *sun* shine...
Still questioning the 8 phone calls..??

[Dunlurken]

As for the You Tube video where Lisa Croslin says Haleigh must have gotten up and changed the movie....AH and TJ Hart both said it couldn't have happened. She could not have reached the player as it was up too high.
I'm not going to argue about Sapp and the other players. It is a huge waste of time. In the end, it will all be proven.

Thanks for that info. And, let me add, that both Lindsy and Lisa are relying on what Misty told them. Misty is not too credible IMO. I can see a child changing a movie, but not if the DVD player is too high for her to reach it. I'd like to see photos of the TV, etc., to corroborate that stuff. Is there a living room in that MH? We've only seen the bedrooms, laundry room and kitchen/backdoor.

[Saint Viva]

I hope so..let the *sun* shine...
Still questioning the 8 phone calls..??

He must be stir crazy in there for sure- and those calls arent cheap~

[CFMom]

Thanks for that info. And, let me add, that both Lindsy and Lisa are relying on what Misty told them. Misty is not too credible IMO. I can see a child changing a movie, but not if the DVD player is too high for her to reach it. I'd like to see photos of the TV, etc., to corroborate that stuff. Is there a living room in that MH? We've only seen the bedrooms, laundry room and kitchen/backdoor.

My guess is all homes have a living room...never seen a mobile home myself built without one. MOO

[Dunlurken]

I agree. The three you mentioned are front and center in this case. They have made themselves available to the media. How can one ignore what they say and the content in discussing this case.

Personally I thought it was a good post and was about to respond. I didn't know we couldn't discuss TN.... bashing is all over these boards re. grandparents (aka Cindy and George). So we can't have it one way on one board and another way on a different board. JMO.

[Texas48]

Honestly..I think he's being given free phone use and the phone is tapped and LE is willing to do anything legal to find Haleigh at this point. MOO
I believe ALL phones in jails are tapped so thats not unusual where Ron is at..What I am curious about is the 8 phone calls to TN..So the jailers are letting Ron out of his cell everytime he wants to use the phone..? Just seems strange to me..

[Dunlurken]

My guess is all homes have a living room...never seen a mobile home myself built without one. MOO

Do we have a picture of the living room or entertainment center? TIA. That was my question.

[datacop]

Why would Ron need to love him more than Haleigh to not know who took her?

If it's so obvious, that this person is the potential perp, why hasn't the focus been on him all along?

[Saint Viva]

What was interesting in that video is Lisa said Misty always kept the light off, yet in an early interview IRC from Mrs. Sykes, she claimed Misty kept a light on, or at least the TV.

moo

And if HaLeigh is afraid of the dark, it makes no sense to keep the home dark-

[Dunlurken]

I believe ALL phones in jails are tapped so thats not unusual where Ron is at..What I am curious about is the 8 phone calls to TN..So the jailers are letting Ron out of his cell everytime he wants to use the phone..? Just seems strange to me..

And they are collect calls. So, TN must be sitting by the phone waiting for his calls? And, he is not allowed out of his solitary confinement cell any time he wants to make a phone call. JMO. Could she be exaggerating?

[Saint Viva]

I believe ALL phones in jails are tapped so thats not unusual where Ron is at..What I am curious about is the 8 phone calls to TN..So the jailers are letting Ron out of his cell everytime he wants to use the phone..? Just seems strange to me..

I thought he was being handed the phone through the door, remember the interview where he said they had only let him shower once so far? I think it was in that interview-

[datacop]

Thanks for that info. And, let me add, that both Lindsy and Lisa are relying on what Misty told them. Misty is not too credible IMO. I can see a child changing a movie, but not if the DVD player is too high for her to reach it. I'd like to see photos of the TV, etc., to corroborate that stuff. Is there a living room in that MH? We've only seen the bedrooms, laundry room and kitchen/backdoor.


I've discovered that very little is actually "too high" for little ones. Chairs, step stools, and even tables become #1 tools at an early age.

Not sure how the movie being changed is that significant anyhow.

[Texas48]

I may be wrong but I think we can discuss them just cant bash them. :confused:
TN and GGS and MG can all be *discussed*....There is a big difference is discussing and bashing...and everyone knows that or should.
jmo

[c4h]

I believe ALL phones in jails are tapped so thats not unusual where Ron is at..What I am curious about is the 8 phone calls to TN..So the jailers are letting Ron out of his cell everytime he wants to use the phone..? Just seems strange to me..


He does not leave the cell every time for a phone call.
The door to the cell is solid with a narrow pass-through for food. When he uses the phone, it is handed through the slot, he said.
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2010-01-24/story/jailhouse_interview_haleigh_cummings_father_talks_ about_his_arrest

[Dunlurken]

If it's so obvious, that this person is the potential perp, why hasn't the focus been on him all along?
Maybe it has! :biggrin:

Dude better fess up. JMO. And don't tell me he doesn't know anything. (Not you, just people in general.) Best acting I ever heard was on the 911 call. "Why'd you let someone steal my child b....?" And yet he marries her, divorces her, and sells drugs with her?

No way, no how do they not know what happened to Haleigh. JMO.

[Texas48]

Personally I thought it was a good post and was about to respond. I didn't know we couldn't discuss TN.... bashing is all over these boards re. grandparents (aka Cindy and George). So we can't have it one way on one board and another way on a different board. JMO.bbm
that is something you have to take up with CW..her board and her rules.

[Texas48]

And if HaLeigh is afraid of the dark, it makes no sense to keep the home dark-
This case has lasted way too long and my memory is way to short..but..wasn't it said at the 1st of the case thats why they left the TV on all night..cause HaLeigh was scared of the dark..?

[DramaQueen]

I could almost laugh at these jailees suddenly having an epiphany and finding the Bible. Too little, too late.
As for PCSO, I will wait to apologize until they have connected the dots. This maybe a start, but for now it appears they sat on their laurels for 10 months. Perhaps this is the way it was supposed to be considering the FA charts. We now know they were spot on in the Caylee case and also the Morgan Harrington case. I suppose I should give LE more wiggle room in that they may have been waiting until Misty attained the age of majority to set up a sting..... better to try her as an adult than a juvie.
Will this case finally be solved in mid-February? http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4669295&postcount=377

all I can is wow that's amazing, what a talent! Thank you for that link!

Good morning, all, and I never really thought about it being better to be able to try her as an adult and not a juvie, but it makes perfect sense. Thank you for such a thought provoking post.

TN certainly has donean about face regarding little Misty, hasn't she?

[Texas48]

I thought he was being handed the phone through the door, remember the interview where he said they had only let him shower once so far? I think it was in that interview-bbm
Your right..that was said. Just hard for me to believe jailers hand RC a phone every time he gets *lonely*..not saying its not true..just saying.

[Motomom]

Honestly..I think he's being given free phone use and the phone is tapped and LE is willing to do anything legal to find Haleigh at this point. MOO

First, I saw nothing wrong with the last interview that tn did. I think she is a very lost woman right now. She has lost so much and is in an unbelievable situation. I feel for her. She's done nothing wrong and no matter how any of us live life, we never expect something like this to happen. It's probably very hard for her to accept certain things, that some of us here can accept easily.

I agree with your post here CF. However, I still don't think LE suspects Ron. I think they were probably very disappointed in what Ron has done now, but if he's not involved in Haleigh's disappearance, I think they will show leniency with him. JMO though. Only time will tell. I hope the phone conversations are released soon though so I can hear and see for myself how Ron is behaving/talking.

[Dunlurken]

This case has lasted way too long and my memory is way to short..but..wasn't it said at the 1st of the case thats why they left the TV on all night..cause HaLeigh was scared of the dark..?

But Tommy said the TV wasn't on when he allegedly banged on the door because Ron asked him to do a "well being check". Things that make you go hummmm. No lights, no nothing, according to Tommy.

[Texas48]

He does not leave the cell every time for a phone call.
The door to the cell is solid with a narrow pass-through for food. When he uses the phone, it is handed through the slot, he said.
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2010-01-24/story/jailhouse_interview_haleigh_cummings_father_talks_ about_his_arrest
TY...Yep..I know what the article said..I was questioning the 8 phone calls..and it really has nothing to do with anything..don't know why I brought it up..

[DramaQueen]

My guess is all homes have a living room...never seen a mobile home myself built without one. MOO


actually there was some footage of the living room, I remember it had an aquarium with mostly dead fish in it

[DramaQueen]

TY...Yep..I know what the article said..I was questioning the 8 phone calls..and it really has nothing to do with anything..don't know why I brought it up..

Good morning, Texas! Good to see you! Did you know that those phone calls are typically contracted to a third party and almost always cost $1 or more per minute?

[Texas48]

There are two walkthru videos out there, one was done with NG's producer and there was another one that showed a DVD player on top of a dresser, along with the tv that it was connected to. I just can't remember who did it and I am thinking that it was a local news team and that they did it with AS.

I have to agree that a 5 year old finds very little that they can't reach when they want to.

What I did find strange in that interview with Lindsy and Lisa is when they said that the little mattress was at the foot of the bed because Haleigh was laying on it watching tv. In the video's it is against the wall and along side of the full size mattress.

Anyone else catch that?
I watched the walk thru video NA..but I don't recall the comments by Lindsy and Lisa..every pic I've seen the little bed is beside the big bed..not at the foot.

[Motomom]

If it's so obvious, that this person is the potential perp, why hasn't the focus been on him all along?

Well, LE hasn't had the focus on Ron, has come out and said he was not a suspect, but many here think he's involved. So I tend to agree with you, we would have seen focus shift to Sapp if LE thought he was a potential. However, like many have said here before, LE doesn't have to tell us anything.

[HouseOfClark]

I've discovered that very little is actually "too high" for little ones. Chairs, step stools, and even tables become #1 tools at an early age.

Not sure how the movie being changed is that significant anyhow.

IMO, the significance would be IF Misty claimed one movie was in the player and that's what Haleigh watched and another entirely different movie was found in the player when the police got there. IOW, it's significant if the only movie Misty claims was watched was not the one found in the player and Misty never mentions changing the movie.

Something she should have been a witness to unless the children were fending for themselves.

JMO

[?noanswer]

I've discovered that very little is actually "too high" for little ones. Chairs, step stools, and even tables become #1 tools at an early age.

Not sure how the movie being changed is that significant anyhow.

Yes, where there is a will, there will be a way. IIRC, there was a picture of Haliegh & Jr decorating the Christmas and one was on a bar stool. Course there was an adult close by. JMO

[HenLee]

I agree. The three you mentioned are front and center in this case. They have made themselves available to the media. How can one ignore what they say and the content in discussing this case.

I believe we can discuss what ever the parents or grandmothers have done or spoken about, just NO derogatory remarks of opinions as was done in the earlier post.

[Motomom]

I've discovered that very little is actually "too high" for little ones. Chairs, step stools, and even tables become #1 tools at an early age.

Not sure how the movie being changed is that significant anyhow.

I agree with you Data. Kids find a way, they can scale lots of things LOL
I don't see what it matters, we know Misty's account of the evening is not exactly what happened soo...

[Dunlurken]

There are two walkthru videos out there, one was done with NG's producer and there was another one that showed a DVD player on top of a dresser, along with the tv that it was connected to. I just can't remember who did it and I am thinking that it was a local news team and that they did it with AS.

I have to agree that a 5 year old finds very little that they can't reach when they want to.

What I did find strange in that interview with Lindsy and Lisa is when they said that the little mattress was at the foot of the bed because Haleigh was laying on it watching tv. In the video's it is against the wall and along side of the full size mattress.

Anyone else catch that?
IIRC, TN was the one who took Nancy's producers through the house after it had been cleaned up. We have never seen the pics of the house that LE took. And also, IIRC, it was a day or two before the house was actually sealed off as a crime scene. Someone refresh my memory please.

I remember thinking, why isn't the MH sealed off? JMO.

[HenLee]

Thanks for that info. And, let me add, that both Lindsy and Lisa are relying on what Misty told them. Misty is not too credible IMO. I can see a child changing a movie, but not if the DVD player is too high for her to reach it. I'd like to see photos of the TV, etc., to corroborate that stuff. Is there a living room in that MH? We've only seen the bedrooms, laundry room and kitchen/backdoor.
Have you ever see a 4 or 5 year old who has not mastered standing on a chair to reach things they are not suppose to be messing with??? LOL

[Saint Viva]

When Misty was given the voice test by TJ Ward- it comes through in that test that she never put HaLeigh down for bed that night, so if thats true, whatever happened to HaLeigh, using logic, happened before it was her bedtime-

jmo

[?noanswer]

I watched the walk thru video NA..but I don't recall the comments by Lindsy and Lisa..every pic I've seen the little bed is beside the big bed..not at the foot.

Also, we don't know what was moved by either LE or the people that cleaned up before the walk thru. Doesn't mean that it was in the same place as it was when Haleigh disappeared. JMO

[Dunlurken]

actually there was some footage of the living room, I remember it had an aquarium with mostly dead fish in it

I remember the aquarium which looked fine to me. No dead fish, but no one panned in on the aquarium in the video I saw. I do not remember seeing the entertainment center, but at this point, the question is moot in my mind. JMO.

Bottom line, Haleigh did not change the video IMO.

[datacop]

I watched the walk thru video NA..but I don't recall the comments by Lindsy and Lisa..every pic I've seen the little bed is beside the big bed..not at the foot.


I don't think the 2 are connected. The one I remember about Lindsy and Lisa was primarily Lindsy saying Misty should stop talking 'cause it wasn't coming out right, and the more she talked, the more I was thinking Lindsy, every thing you say makes Misty look guilty.

[Texas48]

all I can is wow that's amazing, what a talent! Thank you for that link!

Good morning, all, and I never really thought about it being better to be able to try her as an adult and not a juvie, but it makes perfect sense. Thank you for such a thought provoking post.

TN certainly has donean about face regarding little Misty, hasn't she?bbm
Morning DQ..good to see you and its not even noon..lol
When ya think about TN on the the subject of Misty...I think TN only saw what Misty wanted her to see. I know what I know about all my DIL and SIL(great ppl I would like to add) but I'm sure there are some things I don't know especially..what goes on behind closed doors..KWIM??
I do know and believe TN when she says that HaLeigh and Jr. loved Misty..Crystal comfirmed that and said the exact same thing. I can't place blame on TN for NOT knowing everything Misty did and was doing..IF she was doing anything wrong before HaLeigh went missing. I don't believe any of us knew these ppl before this case..Jmo of course.

[Dunlurken]

Dunnie

The home was sealed off for almost a month. We were all suprised how long LE kept it.

They didn't seal it immediately was my point. "People" were allowed to go in and get clothing, etc. That's when tent city was built. JMO.

[Saint Viva]

Heres the Donna incident report-

http://download.gannett.edgesuite.net/wtlv/docs/012610_croslin4.pdf

[Dunlurken]

Heres the Donna incident report-

http://download.gannett.edgesuite.net/wtlv/docs/012610_croslin4.pdf
That's bad for Brock. But, it's also the world according to Misty. I'm not quite sure what Misty was thinking calling from pay phones, etc. (as I've said before Misty was very street wise, or so she thought.) Brock has thousands of dollars worth of prescription drugs? (According to Misty.)

I just don't get it. Hopefully Teresa will.

[sickntired]

I hope the phone conversations are released soon though so I can hear and see for myself how Ron is behaving/talking.

I wonder if he'll be blaming Misty for the drug bust or if he still needs to "keep his enemies close".

[CFMom]

Personally I thought it was a good post and was about to respond. I didn't know we couldn't discuss TN.... bashing is all over these boards re. grandparents (aka Cindy and George). So we can't have it one way on one board and another way on a different board. JMO.

There is a big difference in discussing and trashing.

[CFMom]

I believe ALL phones in jails are tapped so thats not unusual where Ron is at..What I am curious about is the 8 phone calls to TN..So the jailers are letting Ron out of his cell everytime he wants to use the phone..? Just seems strange to me..

Not to me. Casey made many calls to and we got to listen to them. I think LE is hoping someone talks. MOO

[CFMom]

Do we have a picture of the living room or entertainment center? TIA. That was my question.

No actually that wasn't your question. Your post says: Your question I bolded.


Originally Posted by Dunlurken View Post
Thanks for that info. And, let me add, that both Lindsy and Lisa are relying on what Misty told them. Misty is not too credible IMO. I can see a child changing a movie, but not if the DVD player is too high for her to reach it. I'd like to see photos of the TV, etc., to corroborate that stuff. Is there a living room in that MH? We've only seen the bedrooms, laundry room and kitchen/backdoor.

[Saint Viva]

Is that AS address on Tyler where the UC dropped her off?

No, thats Tommy and Lindseys home-

[CFMom]

If it's so obvious, that this person is the potential perp, why hasn't the focus been on him all along?

I do not know nor am I saying he is the perp. I think focus has been on Misty and perhaps she knows who took Haleigh. I found it strange that he watched Haleigh on the trampoline and he is a SO is all.

[CFMom]

I've discovered that very little is actually "too high" for little ones. Chairs, step stools, and even tables become #1 tools at an early age.

Not sure how the movie being changed is that significant anyhow.

I agree. Kids learn how to get to things early.

[KatieLady]

I wonder if he'll be blaming Misty for the drug bust or if he still needs to "keep his enemies close".

All of them are probably gonna blame Donna for getting them into it. :rolleyes: She sure seems to be able to get her hands on a lot of pills IMO

[datacop]

I do not know nor am I saying he is the perp. I think focus has been on Misty and perhaps she knows who took Haleigh. I found it strange that he watched Haleigh on the trampoline and he is a SO is all.

If any of this is true. Not even sure where any of this came from so sounds like more RUMOR to me.

[CFMom]

bbm
that is something you have to take up with CW..her board and her rules.

I agree. I dont know why they don' just PM CW as you said her board her rules..shes in charge. If they don't like the rules...they should tell her about it.

[CFMom]

And not to mention, Mistys mom said that Ronald paid for Mistys tattoo, Ronald Cummings SR, on her lower back, so why brand someone who cops say isnt telling the truth about your missing flesh and blood? Makes no sense-

jmo

And Ron says he didnt pay for it. NOW...why is you believe TN when it fits your agenda but when she says things about Ron thats positive you dont?:confused:

[CFMom]

First, I saw nothing wrong with the last interview that tn did. I think she is a very lost woman right now. She has lost so much and is in an unbelievable situation. I feel for her. She's done nothing wrong and no matter how any of us live life, we never expect something like this to happen. It's probably very hard for her to accept certain things, that some of us here can accept easily.

I agree with your post here CF. However, I still don't think LE suspects Ron. I think they were probably very disappointed in what Ron has done now, but if he's not involved in Haleigh's disappearance, I think they will show leniency with him. JMO though. Only time will tell. I hope the phone conversations are released soon though so I can hear and see for myself how Ron is behaving/talking.

I am not saying he is guilty. I think they are allowed calls..even Misty has made calls..in hopes something is said that LE can use to find Haleigh. You never know what one might know that seems harmless but to LE it might be a missing peice. I dont know. This case is really getting to me bad. This kid was surrounded with adults that weren't the best role models.

[Elle]

And Ron says he didnt pay for it. NOW...why is you believe TN when it fits your agenda but when she says things about Ron thats positive you dont?:confused:

IMO, since Misty had no job in which she would legally aquire money, she needed to say the money for the tattoo came from somewhere.

[CFMom]

And the irony is that you disbelieve it because it fits your agenda....:rolleyes:

I dont know who to believe..but I do KNOW one thing..that tattoo being bought wont help Haleigh.

[CFMom]

IMO, since Misty had no job in which she would legally aquire money, she needed to say the money for the tattoo came from somewhere.

I never heard Misty say who paid for it. Ron says he didnt and TN seems to think Ron did. Either way..does it really matter?

[Tracian]

I never heard Misty say who paid for it. Ron says he didnt and TN seems to think Ron did. Either way..does it really matter?

When did TN say that Ron paid for the tattoo? Was it in an interview?

[whitney]

I never heard Misty say who paid for it. Ron says he didnt and TN seems to think Ron did. Either way..does it really matter?
IMO Misty was probably running drugs for Ronald and giving him the money to stay in his good graces. Looks as though this has been going on for some time. Sadly Haleigh paid for the bad choices of these two, I just wish one of them would talk, too many inconsistancies at the MH for Misty to have been there. I just wonder if the fight over the phone was about Misty wanting to babysit for someone else or if she wanted a babysitter to stay with the children while she was out and about selling drugs.JMO

[Elle]

I dont know who to believe..but I do KNOW one thing..that tattoo being bought wont help Haleigh.

I am really not understanding the weight being put on the tattoo which no matter who paid for it, most likely did so with money obtained illegally.
Of course it is easy to read into it, by the placement and it being Ron's name, one could think it could mean Ron's got her back (watching out for her) or that she is hoping Ron's got her back. It could also simply be a tattoo of his name on her back.

My take is that Misty wanted a tattoo and Misty went and got a tattoo,

[sickntired]

I never heard Misty say who paid for it. Ron says he didnt and TN seems to think Ron did. Either way..does it really matter?

The only way that I can see if it matters is because Ron wants the public to think that he and Misty are no longer "close", when in fact they might just be trying to fool us. Kind of like when Misty and Ron split up and she was hanging out with Donna Brock and Ron found out she was an undercover informant for TES. Ron called up and warned Misty.......now why would he do that if he really wanted to find out the truth about Haleigh....I mean why would Ron care who is ex-wife was hanging out with? :shrug:

[Elle]

I never heard Misty say who paid for it. Ron says he didnt and TN seems to think Ron did. Either way..does it really matter?

Lisa stated Ron paid for it, I was just giving my opinion that I can see Misty telling her that as she has no actual job to pay for a tattoo ,so she would have to say the money came from somewhere.

I really could care less who paid for it.

[Justice4all]

And we will be able to hear these phone calls, thanks to the sunshine law!

No we won't be able to hear pay phone calls....

[HouseOfClark]

No we won't be able to hear pay phone calls....

Made from the jail? Why not?

If you know that is.

[Saint Viva]

No we won't be able to hear pay phone calls....

All jail calls are pay phone calls-:rolleyes:

[HouseOfClark]

All jail calls are pay phone calls-:rolleyes:

But not like pay phones (if any still exist) that we're used to seeing. The inmates don't have coins or money to put into the phone.

All their calls are collect calls.

Even in the CA case we heard the operator asking Cindy if they would accept the charge.

:wink:

[Saint Viva]

But not like pay phones (if any still exist) that we're used to seeing. The inmates don't have coins or money to put into the phone.

All their calls are collect calls.

Even in the CA case we heard the operator asking Cindy if they would accept the charge.

:wink:

Thats what I meant, all calls are recorded and available to the public under the sunshine law- not even sure why anyone would claim they aren't-

[Justice4all]

Thats what I meant, all calls are recorded and available to the public under the sunshine law- not even sure why anyone would claim they aren't-

I didn't think we were able to listen to those ...Sorry.

[CFMom]

When did TN say that Ron paid for the tattoo? Was it in an interview?

Yes........I think it said that.

[CFMom]

IMO Misty was probably running drugs for Ronald and giving him the money to stay in his good graces. Looks as though this has been going on for some time. Sadly Haleigh paid for the bad choices of these two, I just wish one of them would talk, too many inconsistancies at the MH for Misty to have been there. I just wonder if the fight over the phone was about Misty wanting to babysit for someone else or if she wanted a babysitter to stay with the children while she was out and about selling drugs.JMO

I haven't heard where "Haleigh paid the price of these two':confused:

[CFMom]

Lisa stated Ron paid for it, I was just giving my opinion that I can see Misty telling her that as she has no actual job to pay for a tattoo ,so she would have to say the money came from somewhere.

I really could care less who paid for it.

I thought Rons mom said..oh well.

[Tracian]

Yes........I think it said that.


I only remember Lisa Croslin saying that Ron paid for the tattoo, guess I missed that interview.

[CFMom]

I only remember Lisa Croslin saying that Ron paid for the tattoo, guess I missed that interview.

I am probably wrong. I thought it was Rons mom. I stand corrected.

[Tracian]

I am probably wrong. I thought it was Rons mom. I stand corrected.


We all make mistakes.:smile:

[jammies]

IMO Misty was probably running drugs for Ronald and giving him the money to stay in his good graces. Looks as though this has been going on for some time. Sadly Haleigh paid for the bad choices of these two, I just wish one of them would talk, too many inconsistancies at the MH for Misty to have been there. I just wonder if the fight over the phone was about Misty wanting to babysit for someone else or if she wanted a babysitter to stay with the children while she was out and about selling drugs.JMO


I'm not sure about Misty staying in RC's good graces. I don't see where she's ever been afraid of him. Sometimes I think HE is trying to stay in HER good graces. (depends on the day, though!)

Otherwise, ITA with your post. :smile:

[?noanswer]

**

Does anyone know why the location is blacked out on this one?

http://download.gannett.edgesuite.net/wtlv/docs/012610_croslin3.pdf

TIA

I don't, except further down almost at the end it said something about outside a single family residence. I think it also said MC went inside to retrieve the drugs. Maybe they don't want to clue in whomever they could be investigating? I wonder if LE is trying to pin down MC's sources. In the DB incident report MC told them she was on her way home and was in VA at the time. Was gonna make a couple of more stops before she was back with pills. Sounded like MC had expanded to an interstate commerce venture!!! JMO

[DramaQueen]

And did I already mention on here that those collect calls usually run about $1 or more per minute?

[Saint Viva]

I don't, except further down almost at the end it said something about outside a single family residence. I think it also said MC went inside to retrieve the drugs. Maybe they don't want to clue in whomever they could be investigating? JMO

I would think anyone who sold to Misty would know there is the potential for their arrest, thats what logic tells me-

jmo

[?noanswer]

I had heard at the start of this case that D. Sapp 'watched' HaLeigh on the trampoline the afternoon before she was abducted!

If Guy Sapp and Lindsey Croslin share ownership of the house on Tyler, and Donald Sapp is his son, it makes sense Donald Sapp knew some of the people surrounding HaLeigh's family.

He IS still in jail. Right?

Where did the "son" relationship come into play? IIRC, LC said she was not related to DS. JMO

[DramaQueen]

I don't, except further down almost at the end it said something about outside a single family residence. I think it also said MC went inside to retrieve the drugs. Maybe they don't want to clue in whomever they could be investigating? I wonder if LE is trying to pin down MC's sources. In the DB incident report MC told them she was on her way home and was in VA at the time. Was gonna make a couple of more stops before she was back with pills. Sounded like MC had expanded to an interstate commerce venture!!! JMO

Gee, if I had only known she was gonna be in my neck of the woods, I would have offered to let her stay overnight!

[Saint Viva]

Just released -- Arrest reports for Haleigh's dad & babysitter after a stunning drug bust! Cops seize hundreds of prescription pills as Ronald Cummings & Misty Croslin now possibly face decades behind bars! Will these felony arrests lead investigators closer to finding Haleigh? Nancy Grace has the latest, breaking developments at 8 & 10 p.m. ET on HLN.

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

[Tracian]

Diane Downs got a tattoo of a rose and her ex lovers name without his knowledge as a form of manipulation.

Not saying that is the case here, but such things are not unheard of.

[Elle]

I thought Rons mom said..oh well.

Oh CF, TN very well may have said something, I was just commenting on my take on what Lisa said. No worries :smile:

[Mimi428]

The only way that I can see if it matters is because Ron wants the public to think that he and Misty are no longer "close", when in fact they might just be trying to fool us. Kind of like when Misty and Ron split up and she was hanging out with Donna Brock and Ron found out she was an undercover informant for TES. Ron called up and warned Misty.......now why would he do that if he really wanted to find out the truth about Haleigh....I mean why would Ron care who is ex-wife was hanging out with? :shrug:

BINGO!

All the curiosity about who paid for Misty's tattoo is irrelevant, IMO. Each of them has a reason to not be truthful about it. Misty, having no legal way to get that sort of money would understandably lie about where the money came from. Ron would have his own reasons to not claim that he paid for it. At the end of the day, what does it matter?

But what does matter, IMO, is WHY Ron would warn Misty that Donna was working on the sly for TES?

Ron was supposedly keeping Misty close so he could do his undercover work & get her to spill the beans about what might have happened the night that Haleigh disappeared. If his real motivation for keeping her around was so that he could find his missing child - then WHY would he warn her against someone else who was supposed to be doing the exact same thing - finding out more about the night Haleigh went missing?

Why would Ron be worried that Misty might say something to Donna about Haleigh & that night? THAT'S a subject worth considering & discussing, IMO.

[?noanswer]

One scary looking dude! He has drug charges. Wonder if he could be connected.

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=758661&IMG=30124

JMO

[Saint Viva]

Oh yes, I am sure Ron knew nothing of the tattoo and was probably in shock over it!! :lol:

[DramaQueen]

Just released -- Arrest reports for Haleigh's dad & babysitter after a stunning drug bust! Cops seize hundreds of prescription pills as Ronald Cummings & Misty Croslin now possibly face decades behind bars! Will these felony arrests lead investigators closer to finding Haleigh? Nancy Grace has the latest, breaking developments at 8 & 10 p.m. ET on HLN.

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/
Art had posted that he would be back on her sow tonight, provided they don't get preempted by more Tiger Woods scandal (anyone seen him on the cover of Vanity Fair? Ohhhlala) anyway, hopefully they will talk about it some more tonite.

[Mimi428]

And did I already mention on here that those collect calls usually run about $1 or more per minute?

Yep, that is exactly what I have heard, too.

Can you imagine how high the phone bills are for Teresa or Annette if Ron is calling multiple times per day? Ack!

[Elle]

Diane Downs got a tattoo of a rose and her ex lovers name without his knowledge as a form of manipulation.

Not saying that is the case here, but such things are not unheard of.


I think Misty has a tattoo of Ron's name on her back because Misty wanted a tattoo of Ron's name on her back.

I'm boring:smile:

[FoxySly]

My guess is all homes have a living room...never seen a mobile home myself built without one. MOO

LOL, oh my, they must NOT have seen the photo of the doublewide Ron was renting. Or if so maybe have memory problems :confused:

It was a big doublewide, many are a lot bigger then many peoples houses & almost double the square feet then most apartments.

My doublewide 28 X 74 came with a living room, family room & a den. My master bedroom is 18 X 24, dang, my walk in closet is bigger than most bedrooms I see in built homes in the city.

Some should really take a look at a display mobile home sales park so they could understand that these are not like what you hook up to your truck to go camping, although I has also been in RVs that have more room then my niece's condo in a gated community.

Sly

~

[Dunlurken]

I don't, except further down almost at the end it said something about outside a single family residence. I think it also said MC went inside to retrieve the drugs. Maybe they don't want to clue in whomever they could be investigating? I wonder if LE is trying to pin down MC's sources. In the DB incident report MC told them she was on her way home and was in VA at the time. Was gonna make a couple of more stops before she was back with pills. Sounded like MC had expanded to an interstate commerce venture!!! JMO
Maybe that's why she has a higher bond then the rest of them. When you say VA, do you mean Virginia? JMO. Do we believe anything Misty says? Personally, I do not.

[Saint Viva]

Art had posted that he would be back on her sow tonight, provided they don't get preempted by more Tiger Woods scandal (anyone seen him on the cover of Vanity Fair? Ohhhlala) anyway, hopefully they will talk about it some more tonite.

Well, I hope by the time the show airs there is footage of Ronald and Teresas jail visit- that should be super informative-

jmo

[DramaQueen]

One scary looking dude! He has drug charges. Wonder if he could be connected.

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=758661&IMG=30124

JMO

LMAO that one should go down in the history books that picture is hilarious!

[DramaQueen]

Well, I hope by the time the show airs there is footage of Ronald and Teresas jail visit- that should be super informative-

jmo


they might show TN walking in but I doubt anyone will be able to film their actual visit, do you?

[Saint Viva]

Who said Donald Sapp is Guy Sapp's son? I thought Lindsey said they aren't related.

They aren't, but its more fun and juicy to pretend he is for some reason-

[Justice4all]

Yes........I think it said that.

I only remember LC saying RC paid for it :confused:

[Tracian]

I think Misty has a tattoo of Ron's name on her back because Misty wanted a tattoo of Ron's name on her back.

I'm boring:smile:


That could very well be the case; like I said, it has been done before, prolly more than any of us would know.

[Saint Viva]

they might show TN walking in but I doubt anyone will be able to film their actual visit, do you?

Yes, this is Florida, we saw all Casey and the Anthonys visits, thats why Casey wont see them anymore, imo, because it will be on Nancy Grace or wherever-

[Justice4all]

And did I already mention on here that those collect calls usually run about $1 or more per minute?

and what does that matter?

[DramaQueen]

and you know what? If I were TN, and I have been in her shoes with a son in jail, I would not go see Ron today for visitation. He got legitimately busted for drug dealing. That's against the law, for one thing, and a terribly immoral thing for him to do as a father. I woukd stay good and mad at him, and not go see him. Let him be miserable, let him learn a lesson. I say stay home, Teresa, you will do more good in the long run. And limit his phone calls to one five minite call per day. It's called TOUGH LOVE, ever hear of it, Teresa?

[DramaQueen]

and what does that matter?


ah hello, the acceptee pays for them, 8 calls per day say averaging 5 minutes per call, by the end of the month her phone bill could be several hundred dollars. Do you think she sould accept an unlimited number of calls from him whenever he wahts to make them? Just asking

[Justice4all]

Diane Downs got a tattoo of a rose and her ex lovers name without his knowledge as a form of manipulation.

Not saying that is the case here, but such things are not unheard of.

Ohhhhhhh I had forgot about DD...she was one strange cookie IMO

[Justice4all]

ah hello, the acceptee pays for them, 8 calls per day say averaging 5 minutes per call, by the end of the month her phone bill could be several hundred dollars. Do you think she sould accept an unlimited number of calls from him whenever he wahts to make them? Just asking

That's up to her. If she feels like she can pay for it and she wants to talk to her son that's her right. :rolleyes:

[Dunlurken]

LOL, oh my, they must NOT have seen the photo of the doublewide Ron was renting. Or if so maybe have memory problems :confused:

It was a big doublewide, many are a lot bigger then many peoples houses & almost double the square feet then most apartments.

My doublewide 28 X 74 came with a living room, family room & a den. My master bedroom is 18 X 24, dang, my walk in closet is bigger than most bedrooms I see in built homes in the city.

Some should really take a look at a display mobile home sales park so they could understand that these are not like what you hook up to your truck to go camping, although I has also been in RVs that have more room then my niece's condo in a gated community.

Sly

~
Ron's was stationary. We know that. You just couldn't pull it around like an RV. JMO. Didn't look like a double wide to me, but I'm not that familiar with mobil homes. Looked at a few when my Mom was thinking about buying one. JMO.

Can I ask why we are discussing the space inside a trailer? Is it because I brought it up in the first place? If so, color me guilty. I asked for a picture of the living room and the entertainment center, nothing more nothing less. That's what we were talking about, could Haleigh reach the entertainment center, which some have said was too high for her to reach. That's all I wanted to know.

[Justice4all]

and you know what? If I were TN, and I have been in her shoes with a son in jail, I would not go see Ron today for visitation. He got legitimately busted for drug dealing. That's against the law, for one thing, and a terribly immoral thing for him to do as a father. I woukd stay good and mad at him, and not go see him. Let him be miserable, let him learn a lesson. I say stay home, Teresa, you will do more good in the long run. And limit his phone calls to one five minite call per day. It's called TOUGH LOVE, ever hear of it, Teresa?

But you are not TN :rolleyes:

[DramaQueen]

Yes, this is Florida, we saw all Casey and the Anthonys visits, thats why Casey wont see them anymore, imo, because it will be on Nancy Grace or wherever-


oh thanks I only know the basics of that case, never saw filmed jail visits. Wow, that would be something, does the jail tape them or were there tv people?

[Justice4all]

oh thanks I only know the basics of that case, never saw filmed jail visits. Wow, that would be something, does the jail tape them or were there tv people?

They are always taped.

[DramaQueen]

But you are not TN :rolleyes:

nope, but she ould be like me, LOL

I feel for her and would like to see her get some backbone where her son is concerned, that's all, just some friendly advice

[Dunlurken]

That's up to her. If she feels like she can pay for it and she wants to talk to her son that's her right. :rolleyes:


She will be shocked when it comes time to pay the bill. :w00t:

[Saint Viva]

oh thanks I only know the basics of that case, never saw filmed jail visits. Wow, that would be something, does the jail tape them or were there tv people?

The jail tapes them, both sound and visual- it will be very interesting-

[DramaQueen]

ok ok I see some eye rolling in my direction, LOL< time for me to take off anyway, you guys have a good day, see yall later!:thumbup:

[Justice4all]

She will be shocked when it comes time to pay the bill. :w00t:

TN's a smart lady i'm sure she understands how much it cost.

[Diamond1]

ok ok I see some eye rolling in my direction, LOL< time for me to take off anyway, you guys have a good day, see yall later!:thumbup:

Well, I think your tough love suggestion to TN is good advice. I agree.

[Themis]

I thought Rons mom said..oh well.

1-22-10 -- Friday Print Article
Misty’s mother, Lisa Croslin, said last week that Ron C. paid for a tattoo inked on her daughter’s lower back.
Also quoted are Lindsy Croslin and T. N. It was TN who said RC should not have been talking to MC; she brought his butt into this. And it was Lisa who said MC would even spend the night over there; talked daily and saw one another as often as every other day.

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2010-01-21/story/haleigh_cummings_father_former_stepmom_in_trouble_ again


1-25-10 -- Monday
T.N. appears live on The Today Show with Ann Curry 7:07 minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU4aJ5AELDQ


1-26-10 -- Tuesday

Breaking the Silence: Matt Saffer interview with T.N. 2:20 minutes

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=35999@wtev.dayport.com&navCatId=5


State of Florida: Crime and Punishment Chart

http://www.crimeandpunishment.net/FL/chart.html

[Owlface]

I never heard Misty say who paid for it. Ron says he didnt and TN seems to think Ron did. Either way..does it really matter?

What is relevant about the tatoo of Ron's name on Misty's backside is not who actually paid for it - people concentrating on this aspect are missing the point.

The point is whether or not Ron KNEW about it before hand which points to whether or not Ron and Misty are still in a significant relationship. Lisa was all about they still see each other all the time, he financed her tatoo, and Ron is all about I didn't know about it, don't know why she did such a thing and Teresa's they rarely saw each other.

I believe they continued their significant relationship through the divorce up to the day they were arrested. Ron's motivation for denying it is just as hard to understand as why he married her in the first place.

[Justice4all]

Well, I think your tough love suggestion to TN is good advice. I agree.

How will that help Ron now though?

[Dunlurken]

First, could the TV have a timer that shuts off at a pre-programmed time?
And two, I'm not sure how much of Tommy's story I believe either. :shrug:

MOO
Not if a DVD was in it. Those things play over and over again until you finally shut off the TV (Been there done that.) Just asked hubby, he's a master in this stuff. The DVD will keep playing, but the TV will shut off. LOL.

[CFMom]

Diane Downs got a tattoo of a rose and her ex lovers name without his knowledge as a form of manipulation.

Not saying that is the case here, but such things are not unheard of.

I could go get a tattoo of any name doesnt mean they paid for it.

[Owlface]

The only way that I can see if it matters is because Ron wants the public to think that he and Misty are no longer "close", when in fact they might just be trying to fool us. Kind of like when Misty and Ron split up and she was hanging out with Donna Brock and Ron found out she was an undercover informant for TES. Ron called up and warned Misty.......now why would he do that if he really wanted to find out the truth about Haleigh....I mean why would Ron care who is ex-wife was hanging out with? :shrug:

I totally agree with this assessment. You said it much more eloquently than I was able.

[CatToy]

I don't think the focus should BE on helping "ron" or "misty" Now.

It should be on Haleigh, and SSDD, it's not. It's all about Them.
Same Story Different Day.

[CFMom]

Oh yes, I am sure Ron knew nothing of the tattoo and was probably in shock over it!! :lol:

Who cares if he knew.

[datacop]

Just released -- Arrest reports for Haleigh's dad & babysitter after a stunning drug bust! Cops seize hundreds of prescription pills as Ronald Cummings & Misty Croslin now possibly face decades behind bars! Will these felony arrests lead investigators closer to finding Haleigh? Nancy Grace has the latest, breaking developments at 8 & 10 p.m. ET on HLN.

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/


Can't get too excited.

[CatToy]

Not if a DVD was in it. Those things play over and over again until you finally shut off the TV (Been there done that.) Just asked hubby, he's a master in this stuff. The DVD will keep playing, but the TV will shut off. LOL.

I wish mine did that, it always goes back to the menu screen. It's probably in the settings, mine is too complicated. With the sound bar and all it's functions, I'm lost.

I don't believe any thing misty or ronald said about Haleigh. I tend to believe (personal exp) that you would not ever tat a name of man on your body unless you truly thought at that time that you would always be with him, and loved him.
MC must not know about the Jinx of tatting a mans name, or anyone's NAME on her bod. Poor Misty. The placement of that tat also says that no other man, will ever see it. I don't have a round about way of saying that, the meaning to me is clear: They have an alliance, no matter what kind of spin his mother wants to put on it.

[datacop]

LMAO that one should go down in the history books that picture is hilarious!

What history book -- how not to look when arrested

[Dunlurken]

1-26-10 -- Tuesday

Breaking the Silence: Matt Saffer interview with T.N. 2:20 minutes

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=35999@wtev.dayport.com&navCatId=5




Sorry for snipping, but that's a great link. TN is FINALLY, getting it?

[CFMom]

and you know what? If I were TN, and I have been in her shoes with a son in jail, I would not go see Ron today for visitation. He got legitimately busted for drug dealing. That's against the law, for one thing, and a terribly immoral thing for him to do as a father. I woukd stay good and mad at him, and not go see him. Let him be miserable, let him learn a lesson. I say stay home, Teresa, you will do more good in the long run. And limit his phone calls to one five minite call per day. It's called TOUGH LOVE, ever hear of it, Teresa?

If my child was in jail I'd go visit. I don't blame TN for being his mother. She doesn't see Ron as many see him.

[Saint Viva]

I wish mine did that, it always goes back to the menu screen. It's probably in the settings, mine is too complicated. With the sound bar and all it's functions, I'm lost.

I don't believe any thing misty or ronald said about Haleigh. I tend to believe (personal exp) that you would not ever tat a name of man on your body unless you truly thought at that time that you would always be with him, and loved him.
MC must not know about the Jinx of tatting a mans name, or anyone's NAME on her bod. Poor Misty. The placement of that tat also says that no other man, will ever see it. I don't have a round about way of saying that, the meaning to me is clear: They have an alliance, no matter what kind of spin his mother wants to put on it.

Exactly, its not like the tattoo is on her arm or leg and it just says Ron- its a very intimate spot, nice post-

[CFMom]

ah hello, the acceptee pays for them, 8 calls per day say averaging 5 minutes per call, by the end of the month her phone bill could be several hundred dollars. Do you think she sould accept an unlimited number of calls from him whenever he wahts to make them? Just asking

It's her business if she does...wow...:laugh:

[CFMom]

Ron's was stationary. We know that. You just couldn't pull it around like an RV. JMO. Didn't look like a double wide to me, but I'm not that familiar with mobil homes. Looked at a few when my Mom was thinking about buying one. JMO.

Can I ask why we are discussing the space inside a trailer? Is it because I brought it up in the first place? If so, color me guilty. I asked for a picture of the living room and the entertainment center, nothing more nothing less. That's what we were talking about, could Haleigh reach the entertainment center, which some have said was too high for her to reach. That's all I wanted to know.
You asked if it had a living room. BBM

Originally Posted by Dunlurken View Post
Thanks for that info. And, let me add, that both Lindsy and Lisa are relying on what Misty told them. Misty is not too credible IMO. I can see a child changing a movie, but not if the DVD player is too high for her to reach it. I'd like to see photos of the TV, etc., to corroborate that stuff. Is there a living room in that MH? We've only seen the bedrooms, laundry room and kitchen/backdoor.

[datacop]

Not if a DVD was in it. Those things play over and over again until you finally shut off the TV (Been there done that.) Just asked hubby, he's a master in this stuff. The DVD will keep playing, but the TV will shut off. LOL.


That depends how the DVD is set. At least one of mine, you can set for repeat or not. And the DVD recorder shuts itself off whether you want it to or not.

[CFMom]

What is relevant about the tatoo of Ron's name on Misty's backside is not who actually paid for it - people concentrating on this aspect are missing the point.

The point is whether or not Ron KNEW about it before hand which points to whether or not Ron and Misty are still in a significant relationship. Lisa was all about they still see each other all the time, he financed her tatoo, and Ron is all about I didn't know about it, don't know why she did such a thing and Teresa's they rarely saw each other.

I believe they continued their significant relationship through the divorce up to the day they were arrested. Ron's motivation for denying it is just as hard to understand as why he married her in the first place.

I do not recall Ron saying he didnt know about it. He said he didnt pay for it..can you show me where he said he didnt know about it?

[Dunlurken]

Can't get too excited.
I've been very disappointed in NG lately. I realize she has a lot on her plate, but.....If you're going to do a crime show, come on, cover what's happening besides talking about your kids, etc. If one more caller says how cute the kids are, I will barf. JMO. I want news! And decent guests, not Sue Moss, aka Dr. Seuss of crime. :rolleyes:

[4Kids]

BINGO!

All the curiosity about who paid for Misty's tattoo is irrelevant, IMO. Each of them has a reason to not be truthful about it. Misty, having no legal way to get that sort of money would understandably lie about where the money came from. Ron would have his own reasons to not claim that he paid for it. At the end of the day, what does it matter?

But what does matter, IMO, is WHY Ron would warn Misty that Donna was working on the sly for TES?

Ron was supposedly keeping Misty close so he could do his undercover work & get her to spill the beans about what might have happened the night that Haleigh disappeared. If his real motivation for keeping her around was so that he could find his missing child - then WHY would he warn her against someone else who was supposed to be doing the exact same thing - finding out more about the night Haleigh went missing?Why would Ron be worried that Misty might say something to Donna about Haleigh & that night? THAT'S a subject worth considering & discussing, IMO.

I have tried many times to find any valid source saying this occurred. Now in hindsight, it seems like it probably didn't, especially if the Fab Five were running an illegal pharm shop together. I would anticipate that everyone involved knew who was who in the game. IMO

[Mimi428]

I completely agree. Where was that information reported?

Oh sure, ask me all the hard questions....LOL!

I do not specifically recall where that info first came from. Somebody else may have a better recollection of the source, but with all the blogger sites & the news sites & every other thing I don't recall it.

[Dunlurken]

That depends how the DVD is set. At least one of mine, you can set for repeat or not. And the DVD recorder shuts itself off whether you want it to or not.
The TV shuts itself off if it is programmed for sleep. JMO.

Hubby just said.... if you set the alarm clock to go off at 6:00 a.m., does time stop? :biggrin:

[sickntired]

Gee, if I had only known she was gonna be in my neck of the woods, I would have offered to let her stay overnight!

What a nice gesture that would have been. Were you going to befriend her like Donna B or were you going to stand over her like TN?

[Kathlb]

One scary looking dude! He has drug charges. Wonder if he could be connected.

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=758661&IMG=30124

JMO

LOL looks like somebody left a tack on his chair. :laugh:

[Mimi428]

I completely agree. Where was that information reported?

Art Harris through Tim Miller.

link here...

http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/12/exclusive-misty-cummings-undercover-mama/

In an exclusive interview with The Bald Truth Monday, Miller confirmed he secretly funded Misty Cummings’ mystery road trip to Daytona, Cocoa Beach, and Orlando, including a visit to Universal, after after she flunked a lie detector — because he feared her life was in danger. “If she died, we’d never find Haleigh,” he said.
Only last week’s road rage incident, when police pulled Misty over with driver and new best “friend” Donna Brock, blew his cover. Courtney Ballinger told the Seminole County Sheriff’s Office that a driver and passenger of a blue Dodge Caliber kept gesturing and making threats as they were driving near her on Interstate 4. No one was charged or arrested, but Brock was identified as a Miller volunteer, outted by a Florida radio station.

The information, that her pal, Donna, was in effect a spy, albeit for a good cause, reached Misty after the CBS Early Show flew the women to New York for Misty’s two part interview last week. “She was sitting there and got a text from Ronald, telling her what happened,” says Miller. “Let’s just say she wasn’t too happy.”

[4Kids]

I have changed my theory. Misty was out selling, not partying. Ron was calling ad nauseum not due to a fight...but to see if the deal went down. If the pills were housed in Ron's house, that would explain why Tommy was there and why he felt compelled to tell LE that info. He was part of the pharm store, afterall. Did Haleigh go missing, fall to the clutches of an SO or OD on something that Misty and Tommy inadvertantly left behind? I don't know. Misty and Tommy know. Maybe Ron does too. The drug arrests changed everything for me. It changes the whole dynamic of:

The "fight" the night Haleigh went missing

Hank Sr complaining that Ron stole his pills (more than likely Misty did ....to sell)

The fight the night Misty was supposed to be rescued by her family; (fight over drugs...plain and simple)

Everything that happened here stemmed from these jokers selling. Ron and Misty made these children very vunerable to harm. IMO

[sickntired]

they might show TN walking in but I doubt anyone will be able to film their actual visit, do you?

They video recorded the Anthony's visit in the CA case.

[Dunlurken]

I have changed my theory. Misty was out selling, not partying. Ron was calling ad nauseum not due to a fight...but to see if the deal went down. If the pills were housed in Ron's house, that would explain why Tommy was there and why he felt compelled to tell LE that info. He was part of the pharm store, afterall. Did Haleigh go missing, fall to the clutches of an SO or OD on something that Misty and Tommy inadvertantly left behind? I don't know. Misty and Tommy know. Maybe Ron does too. The drug arrests changed everything for me. It changes the whole dynamic of:

The "fight" the night Haleigh went missing

Hank Sr complaining that Ron stole his pills (more than likely Misty did ....to sell)

The fight the night Misty was supposed to be rescued by her family; (fight over drugs...plain and simple)

Everything that happened here stemmed from these jokers selling. Ron and Misty made these children very vunerable to harm. IMOI think many are starting to "get it". However, I still think Misty can be charged with negligent homicide if they can prove she left Haleigh home alone. JMO.

[Saint Viva]

At approximately 1547 hours, UC arrived in the parking lot of Cowart's Meat Market 530 Hwy 17 south San Mateo
Fl. Misty Cummings, Ronald Cummings and Hope Sykes arrived in a white Chevy truck. All three subjects got
into the vehicle with UC. M. Cummings entered the front passenger seat, R. Cumming entered the rear
passenger seat and Hope Sykes entered the rear driver's side seat. M. Cummings then directed UC to give her
the money and drive down Old San Mateo Road. The UC stopped the UC vehicle on Old San Mateo Road where
M. Cummings and Sykes exited the vehicle and walked up to an unknown residence. R. Cummings exited the
rear passenger area of the vehicle and got into the front right passenger's seat of the UC vehicle. R. Cummings
instructed the UC to drive down the road a short distance then turn around and go back and pick up M.
Cummings and H. Sykes. A short time later the UC returned to the area where the UC dropped M. Cummings and
H. Sykes. M. Cummings and Sykes were walking down the roadway and the UC stopped the vehicle. M.
Cummings got into the right rear passenger's seat, H. Sykes got into the left rear passenger's and the UC
departed from the area. M. Cummings gave R. Cummings the pills that UC then received. The pills purchased
are (25) Hydrocodone pills (approximately 16.2 grams) purchased from M. Cummings, R. Cummings and Hope
Sykes for $190.00. After the purchase was complete M. Cummings, R. Cummings and Hope Sykes exited the
vehicle and left the area in a white Chevy truck.


http://imgsrv.thesky973.com/image/wsky/UserFiles/File/2010-359%20psco%201.pdf

[sickntired]

That's what we were talking about, could Haleigh reach the entertainment center, which some have said was too high for her to reach. That's all I wanted to know.

The television was in the bedroom, not the living room and there was video of the bedroom on NG's show way back when. Don't recall the height of the t.v. though.

[4Kids]

Tim wasn't in NY, though, right? Where did he get this information?

Did Donna give him this information?

I would really like to hear TM speak on this Bass, especially considering TM still maintains that Ron had nothing to do with his daughter's disappearance nor does he know what happened to her. What then, would his reason be for insinuating that Ron was trying to cover up for himself or Misty? I believe I heard TM say he believe Ron innocent with my own big, floppy ears. IMO

[Dunlurken]

The only way NG has "new developments" is if she reads here and other forums before she goes to air.

She is always days behind you good people!this is where her staff get their news and links. Didn't you know that? :confused: And another website too which I can't name. The questions come almost verbatim off the sleuthing sites. JMO.

She throws them out to her "lawyers"... "let's bring in the lawyers".

I still like her though.

[Mimi428]

Tim wasn't in NY, though, right? Where did he get this information?

Did Donna give him this information?

AH posted that info on Oct 12th 2009. I believe that was before Tim Miller fired Donna Brock. So I'm thinking it may have come to Tim through Donna.

But ultimately, I do not know. It's all speculation. And if Donna was taking drugs with Misty by that time, who knows what any of them were saying & how much truth was in any of it.

[Motomom]

I have changed my theory. Misty was out selling, not partying. Ron was calling ad nauseum not due to a fight...but to see if the deal went down. If the pills were housed in Ron's house, that would explain why Tommy was there and why he felt compelled to tell LE that info. He was part of the pharm store, afterall. Did Haleigh go missing, fall to the clutches of an SO or OD on something that Misty and Tommy inadvertantly left behind? I don't know. Misty and Tommy know. Maybe Ron does too. The drug arrests changed everything for me. It changes the whole dynamic of:

The "fight" the night Haleigh went missing

Hank Sr complaining that Ron stole his pills (more than likely Misty did ....to sell)

The fight the night Misty was supposed to be rescued by her family; (fight over drugs...plain and simple)

Everything that happened here stemmed from these jokers selling. Ron and Misty made these children very vunerable to harm. IMO

I can't stick with any one theory, you know I go round and round. One thing I do think is that since his last drug arrest, until now, he remained fairly clean. I don't believe he would have had the children for about 4 yrs if he was drugged out. His arrest record from then until now reconfirms my opinion on that. So IMO he fell off the wagon at some point and it could be due to Haleigh missing, OR Haleigh is missing because of it. It was a quick buck, but I don't think they were making much off of the deals. Misty was a bit nervous about her 800$ sale, so it was small time to them. Maybe the opportunity was just there and they took it, got back involved with drugs. I think some of the drugs may have come from Misty's own father.. I think some came from Ron, but not many, there was another supplier or two. It could have started off with just selling a few here and there to friends and seeing the potential for lots more money. If Haleigh and this drug case are seperate, I expect LE to haul some bigger fish in.. All jmo though.

[Texas48]

But you are not TN :rolleyes:
Justice..with all due respect...I believe DQ is only offering her opinion/her thoughts..just as many of us have from time to time..

[Motomom]

The only way NG has "new developments" is if she reads here and other forums before she goes to air.

She is always days behind you good people!

Her news is always old.. IMO.. I remember the days before when I'd watch and her breaking news was really breaking news.. well to me :blushing:

When is the Sun gonna shine??? I want to see hear some jailhouse calls

[Dunlurken]

The television was in the bedroom, not the living room and there was video of the bedroom on NG's show way back when. Don't recall the height of the t.v. though.

Are your sure the entertainment center was in the master bedroom? As I said before, I've never seen pics of the living room so don't know where the damm TV was. JMO.

Gotta run some errands. Later peeps.

[sickntired]

What history book -- how not to look when arrested

How about, How Not To Look EVER!:w00t:

[HouseOfClark]

The television was in the bedroom, not the living room and there was video of the bedroom on NG's show way back when. Don't recall the height of the t.v. though.

IIRC, there were two tvs. One in the bedroom and one in the living room.

According to Misty (yeah, I know), she put a movie in the bedroom for Haleigh to watch and then put a movie in the living room for Jr. to watch.

During the walkthrough, you are correct, there was only one tv shown. It sat atop a chest of drawers. The other tv was moved to the tent at some point.

JMO

[4Kids]

I can't stick with any one theory, you know I go round and round. One thing I do think is that since his last drug arrest, until now, he remained fairly clean. I don't believe he would have had the children for about 4 yrs if he was drugged out. His arrest record from then until now reconfirms my opinion on that. So IMO he fell off the wagon at some point and it could be due to Haleigh missing, OR Haleigh is missing because of it. It was a quick buck, but I don't think they were making much off of the deals. Misty was a bit nervous about her 800$ sale, so it was small time to them. Maybe the opportunity was just there and they took it, got back involved with drugs. I think some of the drugs may have come from Misty's own father.. I think some came from Ron, but not many, there was another supplier or two. It could have started off with just selling a few here and there to friends and seeing the potential for lots more money. If Haleigh and this drug case are seperate, I expect LE to haul some bigger fish in.. All jmo though.


Moto, you know I am with you on going round and round on this case. I have. I still am not sure.

Perhaps I should have preclued my post by saying if this drug trafficking has been going on for a while, then I stand by my post.

I find it difficult to believe that after only a few months of selling they get nabbed. I know many people who sell. They work. they play...and they don't get arrested.

I don't know, Moto. I vaccilate alot. But at the end of the day...this case has made me very angry. IMO

[Motomom]

I think many are starting to "get it". However, I still think Misty can be charged with negligent homicide if they can prove she left Haleigh home alone. JMO.

They aren't investigating this as a homicide of any kind though. If there was evidence that Haleigh was dead, we'd have heard. Last I heard she was still a missing child. I'm not saying she's not dead, but until evidence comes out that she is, or LE indicates they believe she is, I will hold out on hope until then.

Until they know what happened, I don't see how they can legally charge her even with neglect, or child endangerment. If they know she was out without the kids.. then they maybe could but so far, they got nothing really.. against Misty in regards to Haleigh. Or I should say they don't have enough yet.

[5boxersmom]

The television was in the bedroom, not the living room and there was video of the bedroom on NG's show way back when. Don't recall the height of the t.v. though.

There is photos of the tv and dvd player over at HFTM. I don't know if I can link it here or not.

The tv looks to be a 32 in. flat screen. The DVD player is in front of the tv. Both are sitting on a chest drawer. So it does seem high.

jmo

[Motomom]

this is where her staff get their news and links. Didn't you know that? :confused: And another website too which I can't name. The questions come almost verbatim off the sleuthing sites. JMO.

She throws them out to her "lawyers"... "let's bring in the lawyers".

I still like her though.

She should have a message board panel.. unleash the posters LOL..sorry..o/t but struck me funny.

I hope she has the latest on Haleigh tonight.. Wish we'd hear some more from LE though regarding any searches or anything.

[sickntired]

1-26-10 -- Tuesday

Breaking the Silence: Matt Saffer interview with T.N. 2:20 minutes

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=35999@wtev.dayport.com&navCatId=5




I don't think TN is getting it, sounds more like they are trying to put a spin on why Ronald's in jail. She says Ron has given up his freedom to bring Haleigh home....BS....Ron has lost his freedom because he was dealing drugs with Misty. Sounds as bad as Casey A. claiming she couldn't talk because someone would hurt Caylee...but she feels she's nearby and safe.

[Texas48]

Sorry for snipping, but that's a great link. TN is FINALLY, getting it?
Dunnie..what is it that TN is *finally* getting in this video..?

[5boxersmom]

There is photos of the tv and dvd player over at HFTM. I don't know if I can link it here or not.

The tv looks to be a 32 in. flat screen. The DVD player is in front of the tv. Both are sitting on a chest drawer. So it does seem high.

jmo

Quoting myself :biggrin:

The more I think about it and look at the photo I don't think it was a DVD player but a Playstation 3, that plays DVD's.

jmo

[jammies]

I have changed my theory. Misty was out selling, not partying. Ron was calling ad nauseum not due to a fight...but to see if the deal went down. If the pills were housed in Ron's house, that would explain why Tommy was there and why he felt compelled to tell LE that info. He was part of the pharm store, afterall. Did Haleigh go missing, fall to the clutches of an SO or OD on something that Misty and Tommy inadvertantly left behind? I don't know. Misty and Tommy know. Maybe Ron does too. The drug arrests changed everything for me. It changes the whole dynamic of:

The "fight" the night Haleigh went missing

Hank Sr complaining that Ron stole his pills (more than likely Misty did ....to sell)

The fight the night Misty was supposed to be rescued by her family; (fight over drugs...plain and simple)

Everything that happened here stemmed from these jokers selling. Ron and Misty made these children very vunerable to harm. IMO


Not bad! Although I DO think they both "used".

Keep fleshing it out.

[4Kids]

This is where I must have got confused.
Once again I offer my apologies.


Snipped:

Rucky..I have been and continue to remain completely confused regarding Sapp. Was he near and/or around Haleigh the day she went missing? Was his address referenced in the recent arrest reports, or was it not? Was he related to Lindsay, or not? Why was Sapp recently arrested again? What is his crime? He simply shows as confined with no recent charges.

I do want to state that although my opinion has changed here regarding the underlying dynamics, ie drugs; I continue to maintain that an SO KNOWN to the family saw an oppurtunity and took her. Misty/Ron/Tommy simply left the door wide open for that. (well....propped, in this case). The whole thing makes me sick. IMO

[Motomom]

Moto, you know I am with you on going round and round on this case. I have. I still am not sure.

Perhaps I should have preclued my post by saying if this drug trafficking has been going on for a while, then I stand by my post.

I find it difficult to believe that after only a few months of selling they get nabbed. I know many people who sell. They work. they play...and they don't get arrested.

I don't know, Moto. I vaccilate alot. But at the end of the day...this case has made me very angry. IMO

Makes me angry too.

There was a tip into LE that they were selling.. LE sent in an UC..how the uc was able to gain the trust so easily is beyond me. I'd like to know how the contact was initially made and through who. Maybe that will eventually be released. Le are usually looking for the bigger fish and like I said before, I expect there be more arrests. I'm waiting impatiently for that :) My thoughts are if he was selling the whole time, he would have been arrested inbetween, because he had already been arrested.. LE keeps an eye on the local dealers and will bust them anychance they get, for the stupidest stuff. That's why I think he was fairly clean.

[4Kids]

Quoting myself :biggrin:

The more I think about it and look at the photo I don't think it was a DVD player but a Playstation 3, that plays DVD's.

jmo

5Boxers...quoting yourself is like talking to yourself. When someone catches me doing the latter, I always tell them I am talking to the smartest broad in the room. LOL.

Was there a VCR? I know...ancient and all, but that is what I use for my kids as they don't crack when chewed on or thrown.:crying: Is there a VCR IN the TV. Could you link the pic to me if you have it? LOL

[sickntired]

Art Harris through Tim Miller.

link here...

http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/12/exclusive-misty-cummings-undercover-mama/

In an exclusive interview with The Bald Truth Monday, Miller confirmed he secretly funded Misty Cummings’ mystery road trip to Daytona, Cocoa Beach, and Orlando, including a visit to Universal, after after she flunked a lie detector — because he feared her life was in danger. “If she died, we’d never find Haleigh,” he said.
Only last week’s road rage incident, when police pulled Misty over with driver and new best “friend” Donna Brock, blew his cover. Courtney Ballinger told the Seminole County Sheriff’s Office that a driver and passenger of a blue Dodge Caliber kept gesturing and making threats as they were driving near her on Interstate 4. No one was charged or arrested, but Brock was identified as a Miller volunteer, outted by a Florida radio station.

The information, that her pal, Donna, was in effect a spy, albeit for a good cause, reached Misty after the CBS Early Show flew the women to New York for Misty’s two part interview last week. “She was sitting there and got a text from Ronald, telling her what happened,” says Miller. “Let’s just say she wasn’t too happy.”

Good job finding the link mimi!

[Mimi428]

She should have a message board panel.. unleash the posters LOL..sorry..o/t but struck me funny.

I hope she has the latest on Haleigh tonight.. Wish we'd hear some more from LE though regarding any searches or anything.

By Jove, I think you've got it - unleash the posters! LOL

Art H has indicated on his site that he has been invited on NG's show tonight & again on Friday night. However, he also has posted the caveat that he never knows if he will actually speak on the show because each days brings it's own news - & if there is breaking news deemed of more interest, that is what will be shown & Haleigh coverage will be bumped.

[jammies]

I don't think TN is getting it, sounds more like they are trying to put a spin on why Ronald's in jail. She says Ron has given up his freedom to bring Haleigh home....BS....Ron has lost his freedom because he was dealing drugs with Misty. Sounds as bad as Casey A. claiming she couldn't talk because someone would hurt Caylee...but she feels she's nearby and safe.

It sure does, SNT. Amazing, isn't it?

These cases SHOULD be a wake up call to parents. Learn to say "no", tough love, stand your ground, follow through, be diligent, watch for warning signs, search and seize. If all else fails, call the authorities and let them learn the hard way.

[4Kids]

I don't think TN is getting it, sounds more like they are trying to put a spin on why Ronald's in jail. She says Ron has given up his freedom to bring Haleigh home....BS....Ron has lost his freedom because he was dealing drugs with Misty. Sounds as bad as Casey A. claiming she couldn't talk because someone would hurt Caylee...but she feels she's nearby and safe.

Sick...the only way Ron is jammed up to bring Haleigh home is if LE has been working with Ron, he is a double agent and LE has pulled off the craziest, wackiest ruse in order to "get their man/woman". Great lifetime movie.

I feel for TN, though. I know she loves her son....but I don't think her current thought process on this is logical. I don't know how logical I would be if my son were in this situation. Doubt. Regrets. Guilt. Sorrow. None of those emotions help a person to be logical.

Ron seems to be taking responsiblity for his actions. He is well aware he is going to be locked up. He did not deny wrongdoing. It may take a while for Mom to come to terms with that. I don't begrudge her that. Her life has been utter crap for a year. IMO

[5boxersmom]

5Boxers...quoting yourself is like talking to yourself. When someone catches me doing the latter, I always tell them I am talking to the smartest broad in the room. LOL.

Was there a VCR? I know...ancient and all, but that is what I use for my kids as they don't crack when chewed on or thrown.:crying: Is there a VCR IN the TV. Could you link the pic to me if you have it? LOL

LOL

Here is the link and a big thank you to Faith. She has many photo's over there on this case.
http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10847&page=9

[sickntired]

Are your sure the entertainment center was in the master bedroom? As I said before, I've never seen pics of the living room so don't know where the damm TV was. JMO.

Gotta run some errands. Later peeps.

I don't think there was an entertainment center in the bedroom, but Misty did say, (for what that's worth) that Jr. wanted to watch one video and Haleigh wanted to watch another one, so she put Haleigh in the bedroom and Jr. in the living room.

I don't want you to think I'm giving you a hard time, just trying to answer your question with my measly knowledge. :wink:

[Mimi428]

That sounds reasonable.

Everytime someone brings up a valid point that I hadn't thought of before, or at least in awhile, I am always hoping it will be something you can sink your teeth into. A different look, if you will.

So many people feel different things in this case and I always want to know what makes them feel those things. Especially, when they feel them so strongly.

Still, so much is still unknown.
Even what is known to LE is unknown to everyone else.

ITA with your sentiments. I want to hear what others think (provided it is not something totally off the wall) because it helps us to keep our minds expanded, keep the brain cells working, keep us from falling into complacent, rigid thinking.

I think Donald Sapp scenario is unlikely because IF Ron & Misty know about him & IF Ron believed there was the chance that this guy - or any other S/O had his daughter, I believe we would have seen Ron accosting the person he suspected.

I also think LE would not be continually asking Misty to come in if they believed an S/O was responsible. I certainly believe they have gone over Sapp's whereabouts & doings with a fine tooth comb, more than once.

It is Ron & Misty's complacency that d@mns them, IMO. I can't say that I have seen Misty particularly looking upset or unhappy or grieving that Haleigh is gone, but a couple of times in the earliest days I can recall thinking that Ron looked like he had been at a funeral. The grief appeared to be the kind you would see when you know, with assurance, that it is all over - she is gone, she won't be coming back.

JMO

[Themis]

I don't think TN is getting it, sounds more like they are trying to put a spin on why Ronald's in jail. She says Ron has given up his freedom to bring Haleigh home....BS....Ron has lost his freedom because he was dealing drugs with Misty. Sounds as bad as Casey A. claiming she couldn't talk because someone would hurt Caylee...but she feels she's nearby and safe.
I agree with your comments, SickNTired. I think there comes a time when prudent people, especially those familiar with L.E., know when it is time to respond to media requests with a 'no comment.'
Or even a comment such as 'we are shocked and sad, and ask people not to intrude on our privacy.'

The main reason for my rather long post was to put in chronological order (and in one place) some of the most recent links that have been discussed over the past couple of days. [JMO * Themis]

[sickntired]

She should have a message board panel.. unleash the posters LOL..sorry..o/t but struck me funny.

Hysterical.............................:lol:

Probably be more informative than unleashing the lawyers.

[sickntired]

That sounds reasonable.

Everytime someone brings up a valid point that I hadn't thought of before, or at least in awhile, I am always hoping it will be something you can sink your teeth into. A different look, if you will.

So many people feel different things in this case and I always want to know what makes them feel those things. Especially, when they feel them so strongly.



Totally agree with you. I may reference a post and disagree, but I certainly don't mean to "attack" another poster's opinion. I do have an off sense of humor, but not to be disrespectful. I only bite when I get bitten.

[Motomom]

LOL

Here is the link and a big thank you to Faith. She has many photo's over there on this case.
http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10847&page=9

There were lots of photos I hadn't seen before. Thanks for the link.

[sickntired]

if there is breaking news deemed of more interest, that is what will be shown & Haleigh coverage will be bumped.

Yeah, I think the missing/deceased VA college student will start to dominate NG's time. Very sad story.:crying:

[5boxersmom]

There were lots of photos I hadn't seen before. Thanks for the link.

I didn't know if the link would work or not. Does it come up under 5boxersmom? Or guest?


Your welcome.

[sickntired]

I can't say that I have seen Misty particularly looking upset or unhappy or grieving that Haleigh is gone, but a couple of times in the earliest days I can recall thinking that Ron looked like he had been at a funeral. The grief appeared to be the kind you would see when you know, with assurance, that it is all over - she is gone, she won't be coming back.

JMO

I agree, although Misty did cry during that interview while sitting beside her mother the day after. Ron did seem as if it was over, a done deal if you will, almost as if more guilt than anger that someone stole his daughter.

[Motomom]

I didn't know if the link would work or not. Does it come up under 5boxersmom? Or guest?


Your welcome.

I didn't even look, just took me to the thread. I don't think you have to be registered to read there.

[Motomom]

Could it be someone Ron and company already knew, trusted and sold to in the past?

Someone who may have been facing more trouble and took LE up on an offer to help.... in order to save their own skin?

A"friend" so to speak?
Someone none of them would have suspected as being an informant...?

The "friend" introduced the UC? That's possible. I mean, it's not like he could have just called Misty up and said hey, can you get me some pills. kwim? She wouldn't have known him from anyone, there had to be some sort of introduction..maybe not a face to face one, maybe a telephone one? Hmm

[4Kids]

Sapp's current charge and why he is being held:

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=755778&IMG=55520

Older charge for 2008:

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=746260&IMG=55520

Thanks, Rucky....I was looking at his 93 arrest. So, after posting bail for having children living in his home with him (I think I remember reading that), he then goes on to sexual battery of a child less than 12? So he did indeed offend again...not simply violating his parole. Nice. Really nice. I would be interested to find out if Haleigh and or her family had any relationship with the guy. IMO

[4Kids]

Could it be someone Ron and company already knew, trusted and sold to in the past?

Someone who may have been facing more trouble and took LE up on an offer to help.... in order to save their own skin?

A"friend" so to speak?
Someone none of them would have suspected as being an informant...?

Good thought....so who was recently arrested in this circle of comrades and then released. Who had their own skin to save? Hmmmmmmmmm.

[Justice4all]

Thanks, Rucky....I was looking at his 93 arrest. So, after posting bail for having children living in his home with him (I think I remember reading that), he then goes on to sexual battery of a child less than 12? So he did indeed offend again...not simply violating his parole. Nice. Really nice. I would be interested to find out if Haleigh and or her family had any relationship with the guy. IMO

ITA I wish someone would ask some of the family about this guy.

[Mimi428]

I agree, although Misty did cry during that interview while sitting beside her mother the day after. Ron did seem as if it was over, a done deal if you will, almost as if more guilt than anger that someone stole his daughter.

That's the brick wall for me, the fact that both Ron & Misty have acted, pretty much from the very beginning, as if they knew it was over & done.

I do not see Ron behaving the way any reasonable person would behave (even if on drugs) if he was consumed with fear, anxiety & worry about his daughter's whereabouts. This guy has never behaved as if he was even remotely considering thoughts that his child was in the clutches of an evil SOB like Donald Sapp.

JMO

[Saint Viva]

In every incident report I've read the UC was listed as a detective.

It was determined that Det._ would act as an undercover officer (UC) and attempt to purchase a quantity of Hydrocodone pills from Misty and Ronald Cummings.

http://imgsrv.thesky973.com/image/wsky/UserFiles/File/2010-359%20psco%201.pdf

Clearly he infiltrated the group earlier than 12-22-09 when the first transaction took place. The UC is not a person trying to work a deal with LE. The UC is LE.



This is my favorite part, dang Misty that mastermind! Seems like Ron is pretty much in control of almost everything- jmo

The UC stopped the UC vehicle on Old San Mateo Road where
M. Cummings and Sykes exited the vehicle and walked up to an unknown residence. R. Cummings exited the
rear passenger area of the vehicle and got into the front right passenger's seat of the UC vehicle. R. Cummings
instructed the UC to drive down the road a short distance then turn around and go back and pick up M.
Cummings and H. Sykes. A short time later the UC returned to the area where the UC dropped M. Cummings and
H. Sykes. M. Cummings and Sykes were walking down the roadway and the UC stopped the vehicle. M.
Cummings got into the right rear passenger's seat, H. Sykes got into the left rear passenger's and the UC
departed from the area. M. Cummings gave R. Cummings the pills that UC then received.


http://imgsrv.thesky973.com/image/wsky/UserFiles/File/2010-359%20psco%201.pdf

[Motomom]

In every incident report I've read the UC was listed as a detective.

It was determined that Det._ would act as an undercover officer (UC) and attempt to purchase a quantity of Hydrocodone pills from Misty and Ronald Cummings.

http://imgsrv.thesky973.com/image/wsky/UserFiles/File/2010-359%20psco%201.pdf

Clearly he infiltrated the group earlier than 12-22-09 when the first transaction took place. The UC is not a person trying to work a deal with LE. The UC is LE.

We know the UC is LE. But who was the go between the UC and Misty? The contact was always made with Misty it seems, from the reports. They said they've been investigating for a MONTH..one report said 4 but all the rest have stated a month. That's my question basically how did the UC infiltrate?

[Saint Viva]

We know the UC is LE. But who was the go between the UC and Misty? The contact was always made with Misty it seems, from the reports. They said they've been investigating for a MONTH..one report said 4 but all the rest have stated a month. That's my question basically how did the UC infiltrate?

Maybe they have had a detective befriend them from the beginning? I dont think anyone knows for sure right now.

jmo

[CFMom]

This all started because LE got a 'tip' I have no link but it was posted here. I think whoever give the 'tip' is who helped set LE up with the drugs dealers. MOO

[4Kids]

This all started because LE got a 'tip' I have no link but it was posted here. I think whoever give the 'tip' is who helped set LE up with the drugs dealers. MOO

Yes, CFMom. The tipster initiated the investigation. LE set up the sting and the UC (who is probably UC in other cases) infiltrated. That is the way I understood it. Please, fellow posters, correct me if I am wrong. IMO

[whitney]

In every incident report I've read the UC was listed as a detective.

It was determined that Det._ would act as an undercover officer (UC) and attempt to purchase a quantity of Hydrocodone pills from Misty and Ronald Cummings.

http://imgsrv.thesky973.com/image/wsky/UserFiles/File/2010-359%20psco%201.pdf

Clearly he infiltrated the group earlier than 12-22-09 when the first transaction took place. The UC is not a person trying to work a deal with LE. The UC is LE.
Don't know about FLA but here in louisiana narcotics agents are sent to other parishes(counties) to go undercover. Maybe something like that happened. JMO

[Themis]

Could it be someone Ron and company already knew, trusted and sold to in the past?

Someone who may have been facing more trouble and took LE up on an offer to help.... in order to save their own skin?

A"friend" so to speak?
Someone none of them would have suspected as being an informant...?
I believe you are right, R*R. Surely RC and MC are not so foolish that they would have sold to a total stranger; say, someone they only recognized as another regular patron at 1 of the 5 Kangaroo gas stations.

When you say 'Ron and company' are you referring only to the Foolish 5 arrested on Wednesday, 1-20-10?

Or ... are you taking into consideration acquaintances of RC and MC?

and all of his relatives and all of her relatives?

It could grow into a mighty big list. [JMO * Themis]

[4Kids]

That sounds likely. Now I see what MotoMom meant. Who introduced the UC to people? I doubt if we'll ever know that. Ron, Misty and the rest may be able to figure that out but I doubt if anything like that would be made public.

I would suggest that the last man standing of this circle of friends would be the tipster. I have my suspicions. Not that it matters. Everyone here is a willing participant. IMO

[Saint Viva]

Heres the Hank/Misty sale-

http://download.gannett.edgesuite.net/wtlv/docs/012610_croslin1.pdf

[Mimi428]

I don't know what you mean by 'who was the go between.'

The "go-between" would be the person who introduced Misty to the UC.

Let's say it was someone like Nay Nay - someone who knows Misty, knows what Misty is like, knows what sort of things might make her suspicious. She could tell Misty that her cousin (the UC), newly arrived from somewhere else, was now in town & wanted to score some pills. She could tell Misty that this new guy had the money, that he could be trusted because she (the go-between) has known him for years. The go-between could offer up a story like, "he's just gotten out of jail, he doesn't want to move back to (fill in location) because of some bad $hit that went down there"...

See what I mean?

[Mimi428]

That is pretty telling of who had the upper hand in that twosome. Imo, that's been pretty clear all along.

Agreed. I don't think I have ever had much doubt that RC has had the upper hand.

I DO believe he got more than he bargained for when he hooked up with Misty. I think his prior interests were a lot easier to manage, a lot easier to intimidate & had less bravery or gumption or whatever you want to call it for slinging it right back at him. I think the previous GFs backed down from him a whole lot more than Misty ever has.

JMO

[sickntired]

On all of the drug transactions, does the UC person drive Misty & company to get the drugs. Why do you suppose this would happen? I wouldn't get into a car with a stranger (but then again I wouldn't be selling drugs). Did they do this because by now everyone knows what Ron's vehicle looks like?

Just wondering.

[4Kids]

I disagree only because they all have such high bails.
Unless LE has something really big on the last man standing and they are willing to sit it out in jail 'til trial.

My suspect is not incarcerated now. IMO

[Mimi428]

Yes, thank you Mimi, I understand what she meant now. As I said, I don't think we'll ever know that. For safety reasons that will never be made public, imo.

I bet you are right about that. Doesn't pay to be thought of as a snitch, whether you are in or out of jail. Not with that bunch.

JMO

[sickntired]

Agreed. I don't think I have ever had much doubt that RC has had the upper hand.

I DO believe he got more than he bargained for when he hooked up with Misty. I think his prior interests were a lot easier to manage, a lot easier to intimidate & had less bravery or gumption or whatever you want to call it for slinging it right back at him. I think the previous GFs backed down from him a whole lot more than Misty ever has.

JMO

Probably what makes her more appealing to him. You know the unobtainalbe or in this case the untame'able.

[Motomom]

On all of the drug transactions, does the UC person drive Misty & company to get the drugs. Why do you suppose this would happen? I wouldn't get into a car with a stranger (but then again I wouldn't be selling drugs). Did they do this because by now everyone knows what Ron's vehicle looks like?

Just wondering.

I don't think all of them, but many of them it seems they didn't have the drugs on them, they had to get them from elsewhere.

[5boxersmom]

Heres the Hank/Misty sale-

http://download.gannett.edgesuite.net/wtlv/docs/012610_croslin1.pdf

Thanks for the link.

Wonder who is the driver of the black truck?

[HouseOfClark]

Heres the Hank/Misty sale-

http://download.gannett.edgesuite.net/wtlv/docs/012610_croslin1.pdf

Is that the same railroad tracks on Buffalo Bluffs Road where the tracking dogs lost Haleigh's scent?

(Oh, and I think the McDonald's in Palatka is the same one where Ron and Crystal met for the visitation schedule transfer. IIRC, that is.)

JMO

[Mimi428]

Probably what makes her more appealing to him. You know the unobtainalbe or in this case the untame'able.

Exactly. She was young, fancy-free, didn't have a family who appears to have ever put any sort of a damper on her, didn't care what she was doing, where she was, who she was hanging out with.

She wasn't pregnant, didn't have her own baby or child to be concerned with - & she needed a place to stay, since her parents had kicked her out of their house.

WHAT
A
DEAL


JMO

[HouseOfClark]

Thanks for the link.

Wonder who is the driver of the black truck?

I don't know, but LE has it all blacked out so I'm sure they know. Could be the original "tipster" though.

Just thinking out loud here....

[CFMom]

Is that the same railroad tracks on Buffalo Bluffs Road where the tracking dogs lost Haleigh's scent?

(Oh, and I think the McDonald's in Palatka is the same one where Ron and Crystal met for the visitation schedule transfer. IIRC, that is.)

JMO

I'd of made her drive to my home and meet me at the front door if she wanted the kids. She is the one who moved and she wasn't paying support. I think Ron was good about that myself.

[HouseOfClark]

Heres the Hank/Misty sale-

http://download.gannett.edgesuite.net/wtlv/docs/012610_croslin1.pdf

You know, with all this walking around in complete circles in these reports, the dog tracking information and the route is starting to make a little bit of sense.....

Makes you wonder what all Misty (with the children in tow) did that day/afternoon - or whose clothing/sheets were used for the tracking...

JMO

[5boxersmom]

I don't know, but LE has it all blacked out so I'm sure they know. Could be the original "tipster" though.

Just thinking out loud here....

Yep, I see the tag number is blacked out.

[HouseOfClark]

I'd of made her drive to my home and meet me at the front door if she wanted the kids. She is the one who moved and she wasn't paying support. I think Ron was good about that myself.

Just giving a point of reference in the police report.

[Texas48]

New Drug Arrest in Palatka
Dave Wax Ann Butler Created: 1/27/2010 9:54:59 AM Updated: 1/27/2010 10:26:20 AM



Robert Stevens, 31, faces charges of trafficking in a controlled substance 14 to 28 grams and issuing fraudulent prescriptions.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=151257&catid=3

http://public.pcso.us/jail/booking.aspx

[Saint Viva]

New Drug Arrest in Palatka
Dave Wax Ann Butler Created: 1/27/2010 9:54:59 AM Updated: 1/27/2010 10:26:20 AM



Robert Stevens, 31, faces charges of trafficking in a controlled substance 14 to 28 grams and issuing fraudulent prescriptions.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=151257&catid=3

From the link-

Late last Wednesday, the Putnam County Sheriff's Office arrested Ronald Cummings, his ex-wife Misty and three others. Cummings is the father of Haleigh Cummings, who disappeared from her home in Satsuma last February and hasn't been seen since.

Tuesday's arrest was part of a different investigation.

[CFMom]

Just giving a point of reference in the police report.

I know. Sorry. This whole case has got the best of me.

[Texas48]

When police learned he would be picking up Oxycodone from Palatka Drugs Tuesday afternoon, detectives waited for him. As he left the drug store with the pills, Stevens was arrested.

He had 120 Oxycodone pills with him, and detectives said his vehicle had many fraudulently printed prescriptions in it

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=151257&catid=3

[Texas48]

From the link-

Late last Wednesday, the Putnam County Sheriff's Office arrested Ronald Cummings, his ex-wife Misty and three others. Cummings is the father of Haleigh Cummings, who disappeared from her home in Satsuma last February and hasn't been seen since.

Tuesday's arrest was part of a different investigation.
Yep...but it does show LE in that area is trying hard to clean up the streets..

[HouseOfClark]

New Drug Arrest in Palatka
Dave Wax Ann Butler Created: 1/27/2010 9:54:59 AM Updated: 1/27/2010 10:26:20 AM



Robert Stevens, 31, faces charges of trafficking in a controlled substance 14 to 28 grams and issuing fraudulent prescriptions.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=151257&catid=3

http://public.pcso.us/jail/booking.aspx

Look at his bond! A little over $11,000....

Not a kingpin, IMO.

But the prescriptions are pretty interesting....

[Elle]

From the link-

Late last Wednesday, the Putnam County Sheriff's Office arrested Ronald Cummings, his ex-wife Misty and three others. Cummings is the father of Haleigh Cummings, who disappeared from her home in Satsuma last February and hasn't been seen since.

Tuesday's arrest was part of a different investigation.

There still might be a connection though, not saying in regards to Haleigh, but to where some may have obtained prescriptions or something. idk

imo

[Themis]

New Drug Arrest in Palatka
Dave Wax Ann Butler Created: 1/27/2010 9:54:59 AM Updated: 1/27/2010 10:26:20 AM



Robert Stevens, 31, faces charges of trafficking in a controlled substance 14 to 28 grams and issuing fraudulent prescriptions.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=151257&catid=3

http://public.pcso.us/jail/booking.aspx
Thanks, Texas48! Now why does this guy look familiar to me?

[Saint Viva]

And look at the newest drug bust in Putnam County, this guys bail is way lower than Ronalds, thats for sure- Seems they want Ron is jail for a very good reason-

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=758651&IMG=60309

[HouseOfClark]

Thanks, Texas48! Now why does this guy look familiar to me?

He looks familiar to me too, but not him...he looks like somebody else that looks familiar....

Is that clear enough? :laugh:

Oh wait...he looks like that Sutherland detective in the Cesar Laurean case!

JMO

[Justice4all]

New Drug Arrest in Palatka
Dave Wax Ann Butler Created: 1/27/2010 9:54:59 AM Updated: 1/27/2010 10:26:20 AM



Robert Stevens, 31, faces charges of trafficking in a controlled substance 14 to 28 grams and issuing fraudulent prescriptions.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=151257&catid=3

http://public.pcso.us/jail/booking.aspx

WOW...DAVID LEE BIDDLE takes an even better mugshot then Ron LMBO


:laugh:

[Justice4all]

Three Biddle's have been arrested today :scared:
I bet their moms proud.....
Does Ron, Misty or any of their friends know the Biddles?

[Themis]

He looks familiar to me too, but not him...he looks like somebody else that looks familiar....

Is that clear enough? :laugh:

Oh wait...he looks like that Sutherland detective in the Cesar Laurean case!

JMO
I just found out why he looks familiar -- he was just arrested last month -- LOL. Had to do with a suspended/revoked driver's license. A very quick check shows he was arrested Jan. 1999 on drug charges, last date on the form was Dec. 1999. A whole year they spent with various hearings and meetings.

P.S. A very quick look indicated no drug arrests since 1999.

[Texas48]

Thanks, Texas48! Now why does this guy look familiar to me?
See there..dang-it..I just said that..he does look very familiar but from where..?