HaLeigh Cummings Thread- 1/23/2010 [Archive]

baywench

01-23-2010, 06:03 PM

Thanks for the new thread. Sheesh, who's minding the store?

I just told hubby I hate the weekend because no news on any of the cases. All repeats! Nancy hasn't covered Haleigh lately. I know she has a family, but come on, we need you! JMO.

I wish Greta would cover crime again. i would also love Mike Brooks to get a show. I throw things at the TV while watching Nancy...everytime someone "Loves the twins who are so blessed to have you as a mother". Yuk. jmo

baywench

01-23-2010, 06:04 PM

I never learn anything new from NG. All she does is run the same clips and her bombshells are days old.

THANK YOU....so true. The same loop over and over and over and then the guests can't get a word in edgewise over the sarcasm. She needs to go. jmo

datacop

01-23-2010, 06:12 PM

"The whole bunch remind me of the T.V. program The Beverly Hillbillies!!"

Bringing over Ontario's comment from previous thread.

And adding:

Granny's moonshine was nothing compared to this mess.

baywench

01-23-2010, 06:20 PM

"The whole bunch remind me of the T.V. program The Beverly Hillbillies!!"

Bringing over Ontario's comment from previous thread.

And adding:

Granny's moonshine was nothing compared to this mess.

I am honestly wondering if anyone in this family has been achiever for the last two generations. Is this learned behavior??? Obviously getting a job and supporting your babies hasn't been a big priority on either side. jmo

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 06:22 PM

http://www.zimbio.com/Misty+Croslin/articles/27/Haleigh+Cummings+new+stepmother+not+cleared

"We are satisfied with the interviews that we have had so far with Ronald, and his account of the eight hours in question," Bowling added.

Ok, so 8 hours in question- If Misty says she last saw the child at 10, and she discovers the child missing around 3am, thats 5 hours- So is the 8 hours in question that they are satisfied with Ron, his work hours? And if so, that makes the time he went to work, 7pm that night, and we are being led to believe he went to work right after HaLeigh got off the bus, so if thats true, shoudnt the cops be satisfied with 10 hours?

baywench

01-23-2010, 06:30 PM

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 06:31 PM

Oh Viva...no you didn't. Not the work hours again. jmo

Why? Is it against rules here to question the night surrounding HaLEighs disappearance? This is the HaLEigh forum right? Or, do some people think no one should question Ron?

Mimi428

01-23-2010, 06:43 PM

Link to the warrants-
http://multimedia.jacksonville.com/WMV/pdfs/Cummings_%20Croslin_Brock_%20Sykes_Warrants.pdf

Thanks for the link, much appreciated.

Sad to contemplate that at a time when other folks are out doing stuff like shopping for Christmas, Misty was out on Dec 22nd doing drug deals.

I'm still wondering where & how the heck she & Ron & Donna got their hands on MORE than 28 grams of narcotics, like oxycodone, oxycontin or hydrocodone. That is a bunch of pills.

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 06:47 PM

Thanks for the link, much appreciated.

Sad to contemplate that at a time when other folks are out doing stuff like shopping for Christmas, Misty was out on Dec 22nd doing drug deals.

I'm still wondering where & how the heck she & Ron & Donna got their hands on MORE than 28 grams of narcotics, like oxycodone, oxycontin or hydrocodone. That is a bunch of pills.

I really cant even begin to imagine- maybe someone has a script, but still- On another note- there was a pharmacy that was robbed in Palatka in recent weeks, dont know if that has anything to do with it...........

jmo

baywench

01-23-2010, 06:47 PM

Why? Is it against rules here to question the night surrounding HaLEighs disappearance? This is the HaLEigh forum right? Or, do some people think no one should question Ron?

I am not a Ron supporter at all. That should be obvious. It not against the rules it's been discussed ad nauseum with no new conclusion and the same camps taking the same stance and the conclusion that LE worded it so there is room for speculation. That subject has been discussed to death. Apparently not enough for some so by all means...you are very defensive. jmo

datacop

01-23-2010, 06:49 PM

Baywench, I'm bringing your post over

I don't think any of this is all of a sudden. A lot of this stuff has been floating around for a very long time but it was dismissed as rumor. WK said that LE knows all of the things about Amber and the bridge.

I haven't heard the tapes with DB and Misty yet. I think Steph Watts' show is tomorrow.

Is he the one that sounds like a girl?

datacop

01-23-2010, 06:51 PM

KaraokeDiva

01-23-2010, 06:53 PM

Oh Viva...no you didn't. Not the work hours again. jmo
My fault I'm sure as I asked about that statement on the last thread and Miss Lynnie kindly provided the exact terminology and link. :)

Y'all moved w/o leaving me and advance notice.

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 06:53 PM

I am not a Ron supporter at all. That should be obvious. It not against the rules it's been discussed ad nauseum with no new conclusion and the same camps taking the same stance and the conclusion that LE worded it so there is room for speculation. That subject has been discussed to death. Apparently not enough for some so by all means...you are very defensive. jmo

I am really interested in the night HaLEigh went missing, I dont feel I need to apologize for that, and if I want to talk about the work hours, because I feel it really is important, I am not sure why you would even have an issue with that? I dont take this lightly, so if I am perceived as defensive, its probably because I am- how am I supposed to be when someone quotes my posts and says, oh no you didn't? Everything has been talked about ad nauseum, or should we just stop talking about this little girl, is that what some want?

datacop

01-23-2010, 06:54 PM

http://www.pcso.us/warrantsSearch

Active warrant for Misty.

Do we need to call 'em & tell 'em where she is?

datacop

01-23-2010, 06:56 PM

My fault I'm sure as I asked about that statement on the last thread and Miss Lynnie kindly provided the exact terminology and link. :)

Y'all moved w/o leaving me and advance notice.

I'll take of the blame too. I'm still trying to figure out how many different "work hours" that has come out that were the absolute truth.

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 06:57 PM

I'll take of the blame too. I'm still trying to figure out how many different "work hours" that has come out that were the absolute truth.

I just dont even understand why some want his work hours conversation suppressed-

Mimi428

01-23-2010, 06:57 PM

I really cant even begin to imagine- maybe someone has a script, but still- On another note- there was a pharmacy that was robbed in Palatka in recent weeks, dont know if that has anything to do with it...........

jmo

Thanks for the info about the pharmacy robbery, I was not aware of it.

There are a whole lot of folks who are addicted to synthetic narcotics, so I imagine there could be a pretty big pool of suspects for who might have done that robbery. Hard to know if it is connected to this or whether it was a matter of stealing someone's prescription, getting a prescription under false pretenses, or what.

JMO

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 06:57 PM

http://www.pcso.us/warrantssearch

active warrant for misty.

Do we need to call 'em & tell 'em where she is?

cummings,misty janette croslin w f 12/09/1991 dangerous drugs

datacop

01-23-2010, 07:00 PM

Who? Steph Watts? I know I've heard him at least once but I can't remember what he sounds like.

I just remember some guy being on one of the other shows, and I couldn't figure how who the "girl" was and then caught it was really a man.

Mimi428

01-23-2010, 07:03 PM

I'll take of the blame too. I'm still trying to figure out how many different "work hours" that has come out that were the absolute truth.

Problem is, until somebody goes to trial & evidence is introduced in court, given under oath - we are NEVER going to be privileged to that information.

What LE knows about that night is still part of an ongoing investigation. They are NOT going to tip their hand, they are NOT going to tell us or anybody else what they know.

I think the subject is relevant to Haleigh's disappearance, but I'm agreeing with baywench on this one - the subject has been cussed, discussed, re-discussed, re-re-re-re-discussed & everything that has been revealed in open to interpretation, because the police, as they should, are keeping what they know under wraps right now.

JMO & not fussing at anybody for their interests.

?noanswer

01-23-2010, 07:03 PM

Thanks for the info about the pharmacy robbery, I was not aware of it.

There are a whole lot of folks who are addicted to synthetic narcotics, so I imagine there could be a pretty big pool of suspects for who might have done that robbery. Hard to know if it is connected to this or whether it was a matter of stealing someone's prescription, getting a prescription under false pretenses, or what.

JMO

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/money/onyourside/amarosarmy/news-article.aspx?storyid=149991&catid=3

JMo

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 07:05 PM

If the time clock at PDM wasn't working properly that night, imo, it's very important

Oh, it is! Not only that though, if the LE are satisfied with Rons account of the 8 hours he was at work, then he lied and did not go to work early and was in fact two hours late, if his shift started at 5, like his lawyer says- I personally think this is all a major deal-

baywench

01-23-2010, 07:07 PM

I just dont even understand why some want his work hours conversation suppressed-

Suppressed?
Hardly. Thousands of pages of arguement say otherwise. I never thought it mattered on way or the other since the timeline is based on Misty and she hasn't told the truth yet. Whatever happened to Haleigh could very well of happened before he went to work and he could have been involved. Maybe you have new information that would clear it up? jmo

datacop

01-23-2010, 07:09 PM

Lol, I don't know. There's Simon, Levi and Steph Watts on blog talk radio.

When is Steph's show? Is he the one that went to NY with MC and DB?

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 07:11 PM

Suppressed?
Hardly. Thousands of pages of arguement say otherwise. I never thought it mattered on way or the other since the timeline is based on Misty and she hasn't told the truth yet. Whatever happened to Haleigh could very well of happened before he went to work and he could have been involved. Maybe you have new information that would clear it up? jmo

And you call me defensive-:laugh: honestly, I am here for HaLeigh and discussing the night she went missing, not to fight with you- And I dont claim to have new info do I? I simply questioned the 8 hours LE is satisfied with Ron, am I supposed to forget his Lawyer said he went to work early that night, and am I supposed to not wonder, if thats true, why are they not satisfied with 10 hours?

?noanswer

01-23-2010, 07:12 PM

Suppressed?
Hardly. Thousands of pages of arguement say otherwise. I never thought it mattered on way or the other since the timeline is based on Misty and she hasn't told the truth yet. Whatever happened to Haleigh could very well of happened before he went to work and he could have been involved. Maybe you have new information that would clear it up? jmo

I'm with you on the work hours. Until LE comes out with a definite timeline for RC's work that night, nothing is going to be resolved. There have been so much different information about his hours, that , if one wants a timeline to go along with their theory, then they should just pick the one that supports their theory and go for it!!

datacop

01-23-2010, 07:12 PM

Problem is, until somebody goes to trial & evidence is introduced in court, given under oath - we are NEVER going to be privileged to that information.

What LE knows about that night is still part of an ongoing investigation. They are NOT going to tip their hand, they are NOT going to tell us or anybody else what they know.

I think the subject is relevant to Haleigh's disappearance, but I'm agreeing with baywench on this one - the subject has been cussed, discussed, re-discussed, re-re-re-re-discussed & everything that has been revealed in open to interpretation, because the police, as they should, are keeping what they know under wraps right now.

JMO & not fussing at anybody for their interests.

That I agree with but not when it's thrown out that someone knows for sure and it's Ron's alibi and we are bad for not accepting it.

As far repeat discussions, lets also add child support, where was Chad, and what time did Crystal get to the mh.

Odie

01-23-2010, 07:15 PM

And you call me defensive-:laugh: honestly, I am here for HaLeigh and discussing the night she went missing, not to fight with you- And I dont claim to have new info do I? I simply questioned the 8 hours LE is satisfied with Ron, am I supposed to forget his Lawyer said he went to work early that night, and am I supposed to not wonder, if thats true, why are they not satisfied with 10 hours?

VV, do you think "satisfied" means they believe he was at work for those 8 hours or that there's a possibility "satisfied" is a shady word for "we're not telling". That's what I think, JMO.

Lynn Gweeny

01-23-2010, 07:16 PM

When is Steph's show? Is he the one that went to NY with MC and DB?

Steph Watts said in the Levi Page show he was a guest on back on October 19th that he was the one that was responsible for getting Misty to come to New York and appear on the CBS Early Show.

This is the link to his radio show for this Sunday. (on his blog is says 8:00 p.m. ET but on the radio site it says 6:00 p.m.) :confused:

Tune in to my radio show Sunday night for a live candid interview with Texas EquuSearch founder, Tim Miller - SUNDAY NIGHT AT 8:00 P.M., only on blogtalkradio.com/Watts-Up-With-This

http://stephww.wordpress.com/2010/01/21/tim-miller-talks-candidly-about-donna-brock-and-the-misty-cummings-tapes-exposed/

Date / Time: 1/24/2010 6:00 PM
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this

datacop

01-23-2010, 07:17 PM

aubrey04

01-23-2010, 07:17 PM

?noanswer

01-23-2010, 07:18 PM

http://www.pcso.us/warrantsSearch

Active warrant for Misty.

Do we need to call 'em & tell 'em where she is?

Maybe that is for case #1. The listing at the SJCJ starts out with case #2 and goes thru #7. Maybe this is where the others are that are going to be arrested and LE doesn't won't any info out there.

JMO

Odie

01-23-2010, 07:18 PM

I'm not VV, but I think they are satisfied they have the right information, and yep they ain't telling.

Thanks data, I agree.

Odie

01-23-2010, 07:19 PM

datacop

01-23-2010, 07:19 PM

Steph Watts said in the Levi Page show he was a guest on back on October 19th that he was the one that was responsible for getting Misty to come to New York and appear on the CBS Early Show.

This is the link to his radio show for this Sunday. (on his blog is says 8:00 p.m. ET but on the radio site it says 6:00 p.m.) :confused:

Tune in to my radio show Sunday night for a live candid interview with Texas EquuSearch founder, Tim Miller - SUNDAY NIGHT AT 8:00 P.M., only on blogtalkradio.com/Watts-Up-With-This

http://stephww.wordpress.com/2010/01/21/tim-miller-talks-candidly-about-donna-brock-and-the-misty-cummings-tapes-exposed/

Date / Time: 1/24/2010 6:00 PM
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this

Wonder where he's located. Texas is still in central (I think). I guess our best is to check the link tomorrow. They usually give x minutes to air time.

Good day for it. I'm boycotting one of the football games & don't care that much about the other one.

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 07:19 PM

VV, do you think "satisfied" means they believe he was at work for those 8 hours or that there's a possibility "satisfied" is a shady word for "we're not telling". That's what I think, JMO.

Hmm, I think anything is possible- I sure do hope we find out soon though, I was really shocked to hear on the Levi Page show that the PDM time clocks may have been wrong that night, I wonder how they got broke, if they indeed did- I really feel Ron is not being truthful about his work hours-

jmo

?noanswer

01-23-2010, 07:21 PM

I hate to say this but I get the feeling Misty will be bonded out. Just a feeling.

Why? If Misty gets bonded out, she must be a kingpin drug dealer with all kinds of connections. I can't see anybody putting up that kind of money for an 18 yo idiot. JMO

datacop

01-23-2010, 07:22 PM

Thanks data, I agree.

If they really wanted us to know, they would have released some sort of record.

Ironically, the company that has the "official" record is the one that fired him.

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 07:22 PM

datacop

01-23-2010, 07:23 PM

I hate to say this but I get the feeling Misty will be bonded out. Just a feeling.

How do you feel about having your mouth washed out with soap?

Just kidding.

Odie

01-23-2010, 07:25 PM

Hmm, I think anything is possible- I sure do hope we find out soon though, I was really shocked to hear on the Levi Page show that the PDM time clocks may have been wrong that night, I wonder how they got broke, if they indeed did- I really feel Ron is not being truthful about his work hours-

jmo

I agree with you VV. I've also found it interesting that his employer and fellow workers didn't come forward at any point to vouge for him publically. Other than Ron saying he was there, and LE saying they're "satisfied", nothing else has been said. Leaves a lot open to interpretation.

Odie

01-23-2010, 07:26 PM

How do you feel about having your mouth washed out with soap?

Just kidding.

I know data, LOL, but sadly I think it's going to happen. I'm just the messenger, don't shoot.

aubrey04

01-23-2010, 07:26 PM

I wonder that about Ronald too, he lost custody, hes looking at mega time, theres the fear Misty could implicate him, true or not for a deal- I hope all of them are being held under a tight watch-

Me too.. Otherwise, it would end like poor Trenton Duckett's case. The people who hold the key -- would go to their grave with it. imo. :(

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 07:27 PM

I agree with you VV. I've also found it interesting that his employer and fellow workers didn't come forward at any point to vouge for him publically. Other than Ron saying he was there, and LE saying they're "satisfied", nothing else has been said. Leaves a lot open to interpretation.

And then, when they terminated him, the cops stood guard "just in case" Ron got angry, so right there, they feared him- I think its pretty odd-

Odie

01-23-2010, 07:29 PM

And then, when they terminated him, the cops stood guard "just in case" Ron got angry, so right there, they feared him- I think its pretty odd-

Ron "appears" to have quite a violent streak. Even hearing him on that 911 call scared the bejesus out of me.

datacop

01-23-2010, 07:30 PM

I know data, LOL, but sadly I think it's going to happen. I'm just the messenger, don't shoot.

Maybe that's why they are holding that extra warrant so all they have to do is follow her out the door, and pick her up again.

Odie

01-23-2010, 07:31 PM

Maybe that's why they are holding that extra warrant so all they have to do is follow her out the door, and pick her up again.

I hope that's the case data. If she gets bonded out, she's still in trouble, but it will throw a huge wrench in everything. Fields will probably get her charges dropped to posession, then it's over.

jammies

01-23-2010, 07:32 PM

Maybe that's why they are holding that extra warrant so all they have to do is follow her out the door, and pick her up again.

Sweet! Right at the very moment she lights up....:thumbsup:

Justice4all

01-23-2010, 07:35 PM

Haleigh Cummings Mother Gets Temporary Custody Of Son

Permanent custody to Crystal Sheffield would have to be determined in another custody hearing.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=151021&catid=3

Mimi428

01-23-2010, 07:36 PM

VV, do you think "satisfied" means they believe he was at work for those 8 hours or that there's a possibility "satisfied" is a shady word for "we're not telling". That's what I think, JMO.

I think exactly the same way you do, Odie.

They are saying that they figured out what they wanted to know. But they sure as shootin' aren't going to tell US what they found out.

Put another way - was Charles Manson actually IN the house or ON the premises during the Tate murders?

No, he wasn't. But he was convicted of those murders because he was INVOLVED in them.

Odie

01-23-2010, 07:40 PM

Sweet! Right at the very moment she lights up....:thumbsup:

They'll just bond her out again. Fat commision for bail bondsman.

baywench

01-23-2010, 07:41 PM

Anyone wonder if Misty might be suicidal at this point? Hope they are keeping a close eye on her in jail. Just thinking about her detoxing in a jail cell & realizing she's likely going to a prison for a LONNNNG time, plus the stress of knowing whatever it is she knows about Haleigh's disappearance-- seems like she might be "at risk" of harming herself.

imo

IMO Misty thinks far too much of herself for sucide. Due to her upbringing she seems to have developed a very good sense of self-presevation. I imagine that will help her in jail. I don't think she has alot of regret....in fact I am of the opinion she may be a sociopath. She didn't seem at all afraid during her court appearance. jmo

Themis

01-23-2010, 07:42 PM

Haleigh Cummings Mother Gets Temporary Custody Of Son

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=151021&catid=3

I think it is important to note the your link (thank you!) is an update.

Note: Created: 1/20/2010 11:26:49 PM Updated: 1/23/2010 3:47:27 PM

Haleigh Cummings Mother Gets Temporary Custody Of Son

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=151021&catid=3

[JMO * Themis]

baywench

01-23-2010, 07:43 PM

Sweet! Right at the very moment she lights up....:thumbsup:

That made me giggle :wink:

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 07:45 PM

They'll just bond her out again. Fat commision for bail bondsman.

Oh, I fear she will get out, but shes such a risk, she will have to be tethered somewhere, probably not the Croslins because they will probably put in a stipulation she cant be around other criminals, and both her parents are having issues with the law- they would have to bring her to a safehouse, like they were going to do with Casey once- Yeah, I guess its possible she will get out, but I am hoping she gets out because she tells the truth about what Rons part was in all this- however, if she is really in love with Ron, and shes got his name on her body, this could get hard- But shes young, and I dont think her devotions run that deep, she had no issues cheating on Ron with Greg Page-

jmo

ragdollcat

01-23-2010, 07:47 PM

Who has those kinds of resources tho and why would they be bothered with her?

No one will bond her out.

Somebody's just trying to be playful...:smile:

jammies

01-23-2010, 07:49 PM

That made me giggle :wink:

I was giggling thinking about it......gosh we're so MEAN!! :sneaky:

Wonder how "rehab" is going for her?

Justice4all

01-23-2010, 07:52 PM

I think it is important to note the your link (thank you!) is an update.

Note: Created: 1/20/2010 11:26:49 PM Updated: 1/23/2010 3:47:27 PM

Haleigh Cummings Mother Gets Temporary Custody Of Son

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=151021&catid=3

[JMO * Themis]

I think before Crystal gets Permanent custody she'll have to do a few things. First will be a drug test and she'll have a lot of explaining to do.

MOO

baywench

01-23-2010, 07:53 PM

I was giggling thinking about it......gosh we're so MEAN!! :sneaky:

Wonder how "rehab" is going for her?

I hope it is just as comfortable as Haleigh's last night. I do feel mean but everytime I see her face I want to slap it. It's her fault for always having that expression that as a parent you want to slap off her face. jmo

baywench

01-23-2010, 07:55 PM

I think before Crystal gets Permanent custody she'll have to do a few things. First will be a drug test and she'll have a lot of explaining to do.

MOO

I hope you're right. She doesn't have a great track record. Hopefully in real life she has a little more personality and drive than she does on TV. jmo

KaraokeDiva

01-23-2010, 07:59 PM

VV, do you think "satisfied" means they believe he was at work for those 8 hours or that there's a possibility "satisfied" is a shady word for "we're not telling". That's what I think, JMO.
I'm not Viva but I do believe the phrasing means they are satisfied with the 8 hours in question. Nowhere does LE say they believe whatever happened to Haleigh happened in that same exact time frame IMO.

I apologize for being a hit and run poster...I don't mean to be, I just get busy with other things after posting. Please forgive me. :)

Mimi428

01-23-2010, 08:00 PM

Anyone wonder if Misty might be suicidal at this point? Hope they are keeping a close eye on her in jail. Just thinking about her detoxing in a jail cell & realizing she's likely going to a prison for a LONNNNG time, plus the stress of knowing whatever it is she knows about Haleigh's disappearance-- seems like she might be "at risk" of harming herself.

imo

I would be more surprised to learn that they were NOT watching her real closely right now. She's part of a high profile case, she has issues with substance abuse, she is very young, & so on.

Whether she would become genuinely suicidal or she would put on a display to make others think she is suicidal, I do not know. If she has a working brain cell left, she ought to be scared out of her cotton-pickin' mind at the thought of what those drug charges could do to her re: jail time.

JMO

baywench

01-23-2010, 08:01 PM

There are so many things I want to know about the arrests. Any speculation about who the tipster was? Must have been someone close to them. How could they be so stupid with LE watching all of them...ESPECIALLY Misty? Are they so addicted they had to do it? How does GGM Sykes not know something is going on? Was the divorce just an attempt to get LE off their asses for awhile? Why was Ron smiling in his mugshot? I have always thought that TN knows what happened. I don't care about Chad or Crystal's whereabouts at the time. I see no way they could have planned this kidnapping and hid the child all of this time. That makes no sense. jmo

Justice4all

01-23-2010, 08:07 PM

I hope you're right. She doesn't have a great track record. Hopefully in real life she has a little more personality and drive than she does on TV. jmo

I for Jr's sake she can clean up her life.

datacop

01-23-2010, 08:08 PM

There are so many things I want to know about the arrests. Any speculation about who the tipster was?

snipped

My first thought was CJ (road rage) or someone in his family. According to the scanner crew, someone from his residence was escorted to and from police station one afternoon.

The night of the roadrage, dispatcher was changing his name.

Clara Harris

01-23-2010, 08:08 PM

IMO Misty thinks far too much of herself for sucide. Due to her upbringing she seems to have developed a very good sense of self-presevation. I imagine that will help her in jail. I don't think she has alot of regret....in fact I am of the opinion she may be a sociopath. She didn't seem at all afraid during her court appearance. jmo

BBM. I agree that Misty's survival instincts wil get her thru her dry spell. It might just be me, but Misty looks like she has aged 20 years since the road rage/NYC debacle.

Dang if Tommy isn't going to take weeks to come down IMO. He is so wasted in that video clip of his hearing. :w00t:

I am still not convinced they are colluding to cover up HaLeigh's disappearance. I can't believe LE has not tripped them up or cracked any of them, get them to turn. They've all had altercations and wranglings - physically or verbally - amongst themselves. I can't imagine they are collectively able to cover so long.

baywench

01-23-2010, 08:08 PM

I for Jr's sake she can clean up her life.

Amen. That little guy needs some peace and security around him.

FrankieBones1

01-23-2010, 08:09 PM

It was Teresa Neves that called Crystal, not Ron, and it was Crystal who called Marie.

SHEFFIELD: Ronald`s mother, Teresa Nieves (ph), called me at 3:49 AM in the morning and told me that Haleigh was gone.

GRACE: And what did you do?

SHEFFIELD: At first, I thought it was a prank, kind of. And then she was, like, The police are there, and I heard them in the background and then it hit me that it was not a prank.

GRACE: OK. Now, what time did you say they called you?

SHEFFIELD: It was 3:49 AM.

GRACE: And who called you?

SHEFFIELD: Teresa Nieves, Ronald`s mother.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/12/ng.01.html

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Thanks, Lynn. Most of us that have been following this case for a long time now know this. I wish people wouldn't pull crap out of the air like that and run with it like it was the truth. It confuses people that are new to the case here.

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 08:10 PM

snipped

My first thought was CJ (road rage) or someone in his family. According to the scanner crew, someone from his residence was escorted to and from police station one afternoon.

The night of the roadrage, dispatcher was changing his name.

I think it was CJ who was the tipster- I wonder in what capacity the detective was introduced into their lives-

baywench

01-23-2010, 08:11 PM

BBM. I agree that Misty's survival instincts wil get her thru her dry spell. It might just be me, but Misty looks like she has aged 20 years since the road rage/NYC debacle.

Dang if Tommy isn't going to take weeks to come down IMO. He is so wasted in that video clip of his hearing. :w00t:

I am still not convinced they are colluding to cover up HaLeigh's disappearance. I can't believe LE has not tripped them up or cracked any of them, get them to turn. They've all had altercations and wranglings - physically or verbally - amongst themselves. I can't imagine they are collectively able to cover so long.

Mark this day Clara....we completely agree! :thumbup:

FrankieBones1

01-23-2010, 08:14 PM

Marie and Crystal never made it to Satsuma until after 10am. I wonder what took them so long. :confused:

and Ron never called Marie....TN called Crystal.

Where are you getting this info from?

Since there wasn't a decent link to a reputable news site, I think it may have come from 'locals' on the Parking Lot or Rumor thread at WS.

Lynn Gweeny

01-23-2010, 08:14 PM

Do you remember the date of the road rage incident?

12/30/09

http://imgsrv.thesky973.com/image/wsky/UserFiles/File/2009-11512.pdf

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 08:16 PM

Do you remember the date of the road rage incident?

http://www.news4jax.com/news/22100085/detail.html

HouseOfClark

01-23-2010, 08:18 PM

12/30/09

http://imgsrv.thesky973.com/image/wsky/UserFiles/File/2009-11512.pdf

Compare that to the dates on the warrants you posted.

:w00t:

baywench

01-23-2010, 08:19 PM

I think it was CJ who was the tipster- I wonder in what capacity the detective was introduced into their lives-

That makes perfect sense. He has the knowledge of their habits and he is a scorned lover. Perfect! jmo

HouseOfClark

01-23-2010, 08:20 PM

VV, do you think "satisfied" means they believe he was at work for those 8 hours or that there's a possibility "satisfied" is a shady word for "we're not telling". That's what I think, JMO.

You could be right. Didn't they also say they were "satisfied" with the results of the polys? Even Misty's.

And we all know how that turned out.

datacop

01-23-2010, 08:22 PM

Do you remember the date of the road rage incident?

Wasn't it the 29th or 30th of December? LE would have already been working on this.

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 08:22 PM

You could be right. Didn't they also say they were "satisfied" with the results of the polys? Even Misty's.

And we all know how that turned out.

And they led Ronald to believe Misty passed hers, which she didn't and I wonder why? You think they would have taken him aside and been like, Ronald she failed, you may not want to expose her to Jr, but thats not what they did- and I wonder why, you think they would have an obligation to tell him that, I mean they have to tell the world if there is a child killer out there and stuff...... jmo

Clara Harris

01-23-2010, 08:22 PM

I'm not Viva but I do believe the phrasing means they are satisfied with the 8 hours in question. Nowhere does LE say they believe whatever happened to Haleigh happened in that same exact time frame IMO.

I apologize for being a hit and run poster...I don't mean to be, I just get busy with other things after posting. Please forgive me. :)

Here is the PCSO official statement. Seeing things from a diff POV, I guess Crystal's alibi isn't absolute either. We've never heard what Crystal's - or anyone related to her - alibi is. I hope LE did a thorough job investigating every party in HaLeigh's short life. I can think of 12,000 reasons why they should have done so ASAP.

IOW, Sounds to me like there is "wiggle room" for Crystal too. JMT&OO

There is no specific individual whom investigators have identified as a person of interest. The biological parents, Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield, are not considered to be suspects in the case.

http://www.pcso.us/2009-8-17-a

Odie

01-23-2010, 08:23 PM

I think exactly the same way you do, Odie.

They are saying that they figured out what they wanted to know. But they sure as shootin' aren't going to tell US what they found out.

Put another way - was Charles Manson actually IN the house or ON the premises during the Tate murders?

No, he wasn't. But he was convicted of those murders because he was INVOLVED in them.

Good way to put it Mimi, you said it better than I could. I think you're right on the money.

Odie

01-23-2010, 08:27 PM

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking but I would've used another word.

Sorry if you think I'm being playful, or another word. I'm not. I think she's going to bond out. She has a lawyer, he has resources or connections to resources. It's really not a stretch. Do I want her bailed out? Hell no.

HouseOfClark

01-23-2010, 08:29 PM

Oh, I fear she will get out, but shes such a risk, she will have to be tethered somewhere, probably not the Croslins because they will probably put in a stipulation she cant be around other criminals, and both her parents are having issues with the law- they would have to bring her to a safehouse, like they were going to do with Casey once- Yeah, I guess its possible she will get out, but I am hoping she gets out because she tells the truth about what Rons part was in all this- however, if she is really in love with Ron, and shes got his name on her body, this could get hard- But shes young, and I dont think her devotions run that deep, she had no issues cheating on Ron with Greg Page-

jmo

IMO, they are all flight risks.

Clara Harris

01-23-2010, 08:30 PM

Mark this day Clara....we completely agree! :thumbup:

LOL. I was going to post that exact thought. I didn't want to set you into shock :)

I really hope this latest LE ploy works. I guess there is nothing to lose by trying :confused:

I thought I read that Lindsey called some bailbondsman and bondswoman told her $5000 up front and $5000 on payoff plan since they were such good customers. Why does lindsey keep enabling Tommy?

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 08:31 PM

KaraokeDiva

01-23-2010, 08:33 PM

Here is the PCSO official statement. Seeing things from a diff POV, I guess Crystal's alibi isn't absolute either. We've never heard what Crystal's - or anyone related to her - alibi is. I hope LE did a thorough job investigating every party in HaLeigh's short life. I can think of 12,000 reasons why they should have done so ASAP.

IOW, Sounds to me like there is "wiggle room" for Crystal too. JMT&OO

There is no specific individual whom investigators have identified as a person of interest. The biological parents, Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield, are not considered to be suspects in the case.

http://www.pcso.us/2009-8-17-aYep..

LE does have a way of phrasing things but they also have a way of investigating... You start at the inner circle and work your way out. The inner circle has to be those who were in the closest physical proximity.

I do not believe that Ronald did anything that would account for the death/disappearance of Haleigh during the hours that LE is satisfied with his account of. But the also doesn't say much about what may have happened in the hours prior to the hours that LE is satisfied with...ya know? :)

And of course the term "suspect" isn't really used since unexpected death of a suspect in custody several years back. Ther term suspect is pretty much saved for the person who has an arrest warrent out on them.

datacop

01-23-2010, 08:34 PM

Where did you read that? ON a blog? A forum? TIA

AH but as of the article, she hadn't gotten back to the lady.

datacop

01-23-2010, 08:35 PM

Yep..

LE does have a way of phrasing things but they also have a way of investigating... You start at the inner circle and work your way out. The inner circle has to be those who were in the closest physical proximity.

I do not believe that Ronald did anything that would account for the death/disappearance of Haleigh during the hours that LE is satisfied with his account of. But the also doesn't say much about what may have happened in the hours prior to the hours that LE is satisfied with...ya know? :)

Plus I think that's the same article that said that Misty wasn't considered a suspect either. Somehow, being associated that way would not comfort me.

5boxersmom

01-23-2010, 08:35 PM

KaraokeDiva

01-23-2010, 08:37 PM

Plus I think that's the same article that said that Misty wasn't considered a suspect either. Somehow, being associated that way would not comfort me.
I edited my post but basically the term suspect is only used on those who have an active warrant on them these days IMO.

datacop

01-23-2010, 08:38 PM

How the heck do these people come up with these large amounts of money? Save money from dealing drugs?

jmo imo

Oh, they call anyone they can think of that might have any money. I once a friend of a friend of my son to call whether I'd "loan" them to bail out their friend. You can just guess my reply. I can't print it here.

datacop

01-23-2010, 08:39 PM

I edited my post but basically the term suspect is only used on those who have an active warrant on them these days IMO.

Misty does though for dangerous drugs. If it were Cook County (Chicago IL), I'd say they couldn't find her.

baywench

01-23-2010, 08:43 PM

LOL. I was going to post that exact thought. I didn't want to set you into shock :)

I really hope this latest LE ploy works. I guess there is nothing to lose by trying :confused:

I thought I read that Lindsey called some bailbondsman and bondswoman told her $5000 up front and $5000 on payoff plan since they were such good customers. Why does lindsey keep enabling Tommy?

I read that in the last few days also. More importantly, why doesn't she leave for the sake of the kids. I am all for supporting your spouse through the hard times but he is really addicted obviously. No way does she not know that. That makes me wonder if she does drugs too. Most non-users don't put up with it for very long imo

baywench

01-23-2010, 08:44 PM

Maybe Geraldo :blink: will cover HaLeigh tonight.

That would be interesting. God knows what he would do with it. lol

5boxersmom

01-23-2010, 08:45 PM

I read that in the last few days also. More importantly, why doesn't she leave for the sake of the kids. I am all for supporting your spouse through the hard times but he is really addicted obviously. No way does she not know that. That makes me wonder if she does drugs too. Most non-users don't put up with it for very long imo

BBM

I have wondered the same thing. When she was talking to the reporter after the arrest's she said she had no idea. Yeah right. We all know Tommy uses. Maybe she didn't know he was dealing, but geez Lisa and Hank Sr. live with her too. And Nay Nay. They all have drug problems.

jmo imo

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 08:46 PM

LE double speak. Misty is the key. Misty's not a suspect.

I wish some people would learn that the LE does not have to tell the public the truth- they told rons lawyer they cant clear him unless they were with him all night, and he is on a list, went from the top to the bottom- this is an example of what LE tells us differs from what they actually are saying- Chris Coleman wasn't a suspect until there was an arrest warrant-

5boxersmom

01-23-2010, 08:46 PM

Oh, they call anyone they can think of that might have any money. I once a friend of a friend of my son to call whether I'd "loan" them to bail out their friend. You can just guess my reply. I can't print it here.

I guess. I have maybe 3 people that would bail me out and I don't think they would if it had to do with a missing child.

jmo imo

datacop

01-23-2010, 08:46 PM

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 08:47 PM

Justice4all

01-23-2010, 08:47 PM

Compare that to the dates on the warrants you posted.

:w00t:

What warrants?

5boxersmom

01-23-2010, 08:48 PM

I wish some people would learn that the LE does not have to tell the public the truth- they told rons lawyer they cant clear him unless they were with him all night, and he is on a list, went from the top to the bottom- this is an example of what LE tells us differs from what they actually are saying- Chris Coleman wasn't a suspect until there was an arrest warrant-

Well, if Ron did go to work at 7 then I would say he knows what happen. I do remember his lawyer on NG saying it was 4:30. So who knows. Will we ever know?

jmo

Clara Harris

01-23-2010, 08:50 PM

Well, going with the most simple thing, maybe she loves him and he is the father of her children?

You mean that father that passed out after driving while intoxicated to the bus stop WITH his child? That says all I need to know about your POV JMT&OO

I don't believe it is a valid answer for why Lindsy would enable Tommy?. He's unemployed, they have one car, 2 kids, have 3 unemployed family members cohabitating with them. Tommy is not capable of tending the kids independently.

They could buy a car with all the money peed away bailing Tommy out.
Her best shot of her husband seeing 30 is to leave him there and let him dry out. Rehab for him is a pipe dream (no pun intended). Unless she has some ulterior motive I am overlooking for bailing Tommy out, she is enabling Tommy to the detriment of her kids JMT&OO

baywench

01-23-2010, 08:50 PM

BBM

I have wondered the same thing. When she was talking to the reporter after the arrest's she said she had no idea. Yeah right. We all know Tommy uses. Maybe she didn't know he was dealing, but geez Lisa and Hank Sr. live with her too. And Nay Nay. They all have drug problems.

jmo imo

That just make it more likely to me. I didn't realize all those people lived with her. Who puts up with that? I have been around people drunk and high at parties and been the sober one and they are so aggravating and useless. That was when I was younger....I have a drink or two now but of course I am charming lol. But you don't often see someone that doesn't use surrounded by people who do. jmo

5boxersmom

01-23-2010, 08:52 PM

Do we know that Nay Nay really lives there too?

I read it a long time ago over at AH's. He talked to Lindsy on the day they arrested one of the Hanks.

jmo

5boxersmom

01-23-2010, 08:53 PM

Believe it or not, there are men out there who hide drug use from their wives-

Yes I know that but Tommy has been caught and passed out a few times.

jmo

datacop

01-23-2010, 08:54 PM

I have no clue what the parking lot or Rumor thread is at ws. The timeline is on the main page and one of the first links on HC thread at that site.

For goodness sakes, you're such a know it all, why don't you post YOUR own timeline instead of starting snit.

The rumor thread doesn't even exist any more.

CFMom

01-23-2010, 08:54 PM

I just dont even understand why some want his work hours conversation suppressed-

:laugh::laugh::laugh:her post never said suppress it hahaha

baywench

01-23-2010, 08:55 PM

You mean that father that passed out after driving while intoxicated to the bus stop WITH his child? That says all I need to know about your POV JMT&OO

I don't believe it is a valid answer for why Lindsy would enable Tommy?. He's unemployed, they have one car, 2 kids, have 3 unemployed family members cohabitating with them. Tommy is not capable of tending the kids independently.

They could buy a car with all the money peed away bailing Tommy out.
Her best shot of her husband seeing 30 is to leave him there and let him dry out. Rehab for him is a pipe dream (no pun intended). Unless she has some ulterior motive I am overlooking for bailing Tommy out, she is enabling Tommy to the detriment of her kids JMT&OO

ITA again. She is the MOTHER of those children. That trumps standing by your man imo

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 08:57 PM

Well, if Ron did go to work at 7 then I would say he knows what happen. I do remember his lawyer on NG saying it was 4:30. So who knows. Will we ever know?

jmo

I sure hope so!!!!

ragdollcat

01-23-2010, 08:58 PM

Lynn Gweeny
Thanks for the links. :thumbup:

Yes, indeed, Lynn.
I second what Richell said!

:seeya:

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 08:58 PM

Yes I know that but Tommy has been caught and passed out a few times.

jmo

Oh, I know that, I dont know if she is in denial or what, but it seems like there are a few family members in denial right now- and I cant say I blame them-

Justice4all

01-23-2010, 09:01 PM

Since there wasn't a decent link to a reputable news site, I think it may have come from 'locals' on the Parking Lot or Rumor thread at WS.

Haleigh’s mother, Crystal Sheffield, 23, of Glen St. Mary, arrived in mid-morning with her mother.

http://m.jax2go.com/articles/190187897

They finished the police report at almost 10am and she wasn't there yet. So I assume she arrived shortly after that.

?noanswer

01-23-2010, 09:04 PM

Haleigh’s mother, Crystal Sheffield, 23, of Glen St. Mary, arrived in mid-morning with her mother.

http://m.jax2go.com/articles/190187897

They finished the police report at almost 10am and she wasn't there yet. So I assume she arrived shortly after that.

From the above link - "Marie Griffis said her daughter and Cummings have not been together for about three years but were not at odds. She said Haleigh visited them in Baker County every other weekend. Her daughter and Cummings have a 3-year-old son, Ronald Jr., who was taken to other relatives Tuesday."

Wonder what changed all of that. JMO

Clara Harris

01-23-2010, 09:05 PM

Believe it or not, there are men out there who hide drug use from their wives-

But you think it's not possible for a man to hide his drug use from his grandma??? Odd how that grasping works.

I know that is true that addicts are secretive and hide their usage. However, Tommy's bus stop nap/bust would lead a reasonable person to believe Lindsy knew. A long time ago. I mean Hank told LE his roxies were stolen the night b/f and wanted to know if they found them. Lindsy had to drive her own van home after they hauled Tommy in for "napping" aka "hiding his drug use from his wife." :rolleyes:

Too bad he couldn't hide his baggies, straw, lighter, seized pills from LE in Lindsy's van. Anyone that steals from a do-gooder, blind neighbor is unworthy of raising my kids. I feel that strongly about my children and it would be tough love or the highway. Enabling an addict is self-abuse and that is not a value I wish to instill in my kids. It is painful to watch anyone tolerate it even the losers in this travesty JMT&OO.

I can't imagine Hank wasn't at the home fuming about his missing Roxies and other pills. Maybe Lindsy tuned it all out. I hope she wasn't employed in a position that others might try to take advantage of.

Diamond1

01-23-2010, 09:06 PM

From the above link - "Marie Griffis said her daughter and Cummings have not been together for about three years but were not at odds. She said Haleigh visited them in Baker County every other weekend. Her daughter and Cummings have a 3-year-old son, Ronald Jr., who was taken to other relatives Tuesday."

Wonder what changed all of that. JMO

It changed about the time people realized that Ronald and Misty were lying.

imo

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 09:11 PM

But you think it's not possible for a man to hide his drug use from his grandma??? Odd how that grasping works.

I know that is true that addicts are secretive and hide their usage. However, Tommy's bus stop nap/bust would lead a reasonable person to believe Lindsy knew. A long time ago. I mean Hank told LE his roxies were stolen the night b/f and wanted to know if they found them. Lindsy had to drive her own van home after they hauled Tommy in for "napping" aka "hiding his drug use from his wife." :rolleyes:

Too bad he couldn't hide his baggies, straw, lighter, seized pills from LE in Lindsy's van. Anyone that steals from a do-gooder, blind neighbor is unworthy of raising my kids. I feel that strongly about my children and it would be tough love or the highway. Enabling an addict is self-abuse and that is not a value I wish to instill in my kids. It is painful to watch anyone tolerate it even the losers in this travesty JMT&OO.

I can't imagine Hank wasn't at the home fuming about his missing Roxies and other pills. Maybe Lindsy tuned it all out. I hope she wasn't employed in a position that others might try to take advantage of.

Are you asking me if I think Annette knew nothing about Rons drug use or dealings? He has been getting arrested for drugs for years, I for one am not in the mindset Annette Sykes is stupid-

I hope that Lindsey leaves Hank, not that what I think or anyone else thinks matters- maybe she would have been long gone had they not had children, I dont know, I am not there-

Clara Harris

01-23-2010, 09:12 PM

Clara Harris

01-23-2010, 09:16 PM

From the above link - "Marie Griffis said her daughter and Cummings have not been together for about three years but were not at odds. She said Haleigh visited them in Baker County every other weekend. Her daughter and Cummings have a 3-year-old son, Ronald Jr., who was taken to other relatives Tuesday."

Wonder what changed all of that. JMO

BBM - I can think of over 12,000 reasons things changed. And up it a couple of pdf files and add a dash of spite but JMT&OO

datacop

01-23-2010, 09:21 PM

BBM - I can think of over 12,000 reasons things changed. And up it a couple of pdf files and add a dash of spite but JMT&OO

Well those reasons are gone unless you think RC used the money for drugs.

Clara Harris

01-23-2010, 09:21 PM

Dont be so d*m rude. That timeline was from WS and has been there for months. Then people trying to confuse people are the Ronald lovers.

BBM. :wub:

:rolleyes:

Pot meet kettle.

HaLeigh is a "Ronald lover" and since this thread is about HaLeigh Cummings, I think it my crush on Ronald should be tolerated.

JMT&OO

Justice4all

01-23-2010, 09:22 PM

From the above link - "Marie Griffis said her daughter and Cummings have not been together for about three years but were not at odds. She said Haleigh visited them in Baker County every other weekend. Her daughter and Cummings have a 3-year-old son, Ronald Jr., who was taken to other relatives Tuesday."

Wonder what changed all of that. JMO

Since Crystal called DCF on Ron several times i'm just going to assume Marie might have lied about them not being at odds. MOO

Diamond1

01-23-2010, 09:22 PM

Well those reasons are gone unless you think RC used the money for drugs.

He probably used it to start his drug trafficking business.

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 09:23 PM

He probably used it to start his drug trafficking business.

Well, its not like he used it to get a home for his new wife and remaining child, thats for sure-

datacop

01-23-2010, 09:23 PM

He probably used it to start his drug trafficking business.

So that child support lost him his daddy of the year award?

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 09:24 PM

BBM. :wub:

:rolleyes:

Pot meet kettle.

HaLeigh is a "Ronald lover" and since this thread is about HaLeigh Cummings, I think it my crush on Ronald should be tolerated.

JMT&OO

Well, some have crushes on movie starts and athletes, and some crush on drug dealers, to each their own, lol.

Diamond1

01-23-2010, 09:24 PM

Well, its not like he used it to get a home for his new wife and remaining child, thats for sure-

Living with GGS came with benefits. Free rent, free utilities and a full time baby sitter which allowed him and Misty to come and go as they wanted.

mo

Justice4all

01-23-2010, 09:25 PM

I think it may have also changed when they (Crystal & Marie) were approached by locals telling them things they knew about Ronald. You could see it in the way they interacted in the news clips. At first things looked fine but then there started to be tension in the two camps.

I find it odd that Marie and Crystal reported Ron to DCF and they weren't at "odds". MOO

Diamond1

01-23-2010, 09:26 PM

So that child support lost him his daddy of the year award?

Ronald was only daddy of the year in his own drugged out mind. I wonder if he will be called big daddy in the pen?:w00t:

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 09:27 PM

Living with GGS came with benefits. Free rent, free utilities and a full time baby sitter which allowed him and Misty to come and go as they wanted.

mo

Yeah, and then when Ron got his tats, the employees were saying he was talking about how much money he had been getting since HaLeigh went missing- her going missing was very profitable for Ronald, sometimes I think whatever happened wasn't an accident-

jmo

datacop

01-23-2010, 09:28 PM

Well, some have crushes on movie starts and athletes, and some crush on drug dealers, to each their own, lol.

Considering some of the movies, athletes, yep drug dealers fits... I'm more picky.

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 09:30 PM

Yeah, those bad boys are irresistible to some. The young ones think he's hot *gag* and the old ones want to mother him *double gag*

Well, at least we know that he will be getting sent money for expensive bottled water and Vaseline and stuff like that in Prison- I would personally rather donate to people who are really in need, but even Scott Peterson has supporters, so to each their own-

Diamond1

01-23-2010, 09:31 PM

Yeah, and then when Ron got his tats, the employees were saying he was talking about how much money he had been getting since HaLeigh went missing- her going missing was very profitable for Ronald, sometimes I think whatever happened wasn't an accident-

jmo

The tatt parlor owner has video of Ronald getting the tattoo and talking about all the money he got in donations. I hope it is put online for viewing soon.mo

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 09:33 PM

The tatt parlor owner has video of Ronald getting the tattoo and talking about all the money he got in donations. I hope it is put online for viewing soon.mo

Oh, it will be shown at his trial, and the Prosecutor is going to be like, does anyone think this is how a father of a missing child should act? I really love all the rope he was given to hang himself- It was all executed perfectly-

datacop

01-23-2010, 09:35 PM

The tatt parlor owner has video of Ronald getting the tattoo and talking about all the money he got in donations. I hope it is put online for viewing soon.mo

At the moment I'm more interested in this "tape" between Misty and Donna.

datacop

01-23-2010, 09:36 PM

:laugh: I wonder if NG will read his commissary list every night.

Think she'll be sending money to him?

datacop

01-23-2010, 09:37 PM

http://images06.imikimi.com/image/images2_full/U8kK-17R.jpg

Hopefully her where abouts will be know very soon.

That's cute.

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 09:38 PM

http://images06.imikimi.com/image/images2_full/U8kK-17R.jpg

Hopefully her where abouts will be know very soon.

So beautiful, thanks for sharing that-

Diamond1

01-23-2010, 09:40 PM

Anyone remember when exactly Ronald got the tattoo of Haleigh? tia

Feb. 28, 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMhfevtM9c

Justice4all

01-23-2010, 09:41 PM

Anyone remember when exactly Ronald got the tattoo of Haleigh? tia

The same day he got the tattoo of Jr.

Mimi428

01-23-2010, 09:41 PM

Anyone remember when exactly Ronald got the tattoo of Haleigh? tia

Sorry, but no, I do not specifically remember when.

I do remember where - as in location on his body & thought it was very telling that he put it BEHIND him (back of his leg). Just something about that struck me as so very Freudian - like he was 'walking away' with Haleigh behind him.

But that's just my own interp - YMMV.

Justice4all

01-23-2010, 09:43 PM

Thanks SO much. :thumbup:
That just seemed a little quick imo.

A little quick for what?

datacop

01-23-2010, 09:44 PM

Sorry, but no, I do not specifically remember when.

I do remember where - as in location on his body & thought it was very telling that he put it BEHIND him (back of his leg). Just something about that struck me as so very Freudian - like he was 'walking away' with Haleigh behind him.

But that's just my own interp - YMMV.

not just yours. Some of us share that thought.

Diamond1

01-23-2010, 09:44 PM

Thanks SO much. :thumbup:
That just seemed a little quick imo.

I have it saved in my favorites on my youtube account! LOL

Justice4all

01-23-2010, 09:45 PM

uknowme?

01-23-2010, 09:45 PM

Well, some have crushes on movie starts and athletes, and some crush on drug dealers, to each their own, lol.

I agree and wonder why anyone could stand behind a man that deals drugs,lies ( and other things that I don't know if I can post)and loses his daughter?
How could anybody think he is an ok kind of guy? I don't know any of you but I am just amazed some people think what he does is ok. They must live his type of life. Birds of a feather deal drugs and are locked up forever.
I was here to look if there was anything new. I just don't understand people who cannot or will not connect the dots.

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 09:46 PM

A little quick for what?

I dont know, to some memorializing her at age 5 declaring her daddys little girl forever is kinda uncouth and eye opening to some who think its odd behavior for someone having a missing child, but maybe its normal to some, I really dont know-

Justice4all

01-23-2010, 09:47 PM

Well, some have crushes on movie starts and athletes, and some crush on drug dealers, to each their own, lol.

and then you have those guys that have crushes on their step sisters that do drugs while they are pregnant. Nasty group of people IMO

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 09:48 PM

I agree and wonder why anyone could stand behind a man that deals drugs,lies ( and other things that I don't know if I can post)and loses his daughter?
How could anybody think he is an ok kind of guy? I don't know any of you but I am just amazed some people think what he does is ok. They must live his type of life. Birds of a feather deal drugs and are locked up forever.
I was here to look if there was anything new. I just don't understand people who cannot or will not connect the dots.

Oh, I know, some are more in denial than Lindsey Croslin-

jmo

Justice4all

01-23-2010, 09:48 PM

I dont know, to some memorializing her at age 5 declaring her daddys little girl forever is kinda uncouth and eye opening to some who think its odd behavior for someone having a missing child, but maybe its normal to some, I really dont know-

Why do people only talk about the Haleigh tattoo he got that day and not the Jr tattoo he got that day Or the fact that he didn't just wake up one day and drive there on his own, he was invited and someone else paid for them.

Maybe Ron should have just said NO.

FrankieBones1

01-23-2010, 09:49 PM

Haleigh’s mother, Crystal Sheffield, 23, of Glen St. Mary, arrived in mid-morning with her mother.

http://m.jax2go.com/articles/190187897

They finished the police report at almost 10am and she wasn't there yet. So I assume she arrived shortly after that.
And it's less than a two hour drive.
I have to wonder why it took her so long to get there. Afterall, her daughter was missing. This is one reason why I think the judge was hasty the other day with his ruling. Hope he rethinks it when it comes to a more permanent solution. I do not like her track record as a parent.

Mimi428

01-23-2010, 09:49 PM

WoW my son has Jesus on the Cross on his back what does that mean? and him and his buddies have the Marine Corps symbol on their shoulder....What does that mean?

I'd have to know more about them, more about the circumstances in their lives, more about the circumstances in which they decided to get tattoos to ever have an opinion about it.

Since this thread isn't about them, I'll stick to giving my opinion about how Ron's tattoo of Haleigh on the back of his leg struck me, considering the circumstances in his life at the time.

uknowme?

01-23-2010, 09:50 PM

WoW my son has Jesus on the Cross on his back what does that mean? and him and his buddies have the Marine Corps symbol on their shoulder....What does that mean?

To me it means your son is awesome and anyone serving our country are wonderful. But that dude with a missind daughter on his leg? I call that creepy! I bet he's the creepy kind with mom on his chest.

Diamond1

01-23-2010, 09:52 PM

Why do people only talk about the Haleigh tattoo he got that day and not the Jr tattoo he got that day Or the fact that he didn't just wake up one day and drive there on his own, he was invited and someone else paid for them.

Maybe Ron should have just said NO.

He should have said NO. But then we know that is not true. He went sneaking out of town on a day a major ground search for Haleigh was scheduled to get a tattoo that he intended to pay for with donation money. NO one has come forward to claim they gave him a tattoo as a gift. That was told to cover up his reason for sneaking out of town when hundreds of people were beating the bushes searching for Haleigh.
mo

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 09:52 PM

To me it means your son is awesome and anyone serving our country are wonderful. But that dude with a missind daughter on his leg? I call that creepy! I bet he's the creepy kind with mom on his chest.

Exactly, those are very honorable tats- And then for Ron to be talking about how much money he had gotten? I dont know, I think thats really not appropriate-

Justice4all

01-23-2010, 09:52 PM

Oh, I know, some are more in denial than Lindsey Croslin-

jmo

You know what upsets me the most about Lindsy?
She has young children and a good education. Why doesn't she get the heck out of dodge and take her babies and get them away from all that drama?

moo

Mimi428

01-23-2010, 09:54 PM

Justice4all

01-23-2010, 09:54 PM

Diamond1

01-23-2010, 09:54 PM

To me it means your son is awesome and anyone serving our country are wonderful. But that dude with a missind daughter on his leg? I call that creepy! I bet he's the creepy kind with mom on his chest.

Yes he is. He has his mother name on his chest. Check it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uND4ogbsKD4&NR=1&feature=fvwp

Tracian

01-23-2010, 09:54 PM

Does anyone know how Tommy posted bail so fast?

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 09:54 PM

You know what upsets me the most about Lindsy?
She has young children and a good education. Why doesn't she get the heck out of dodge and take her babies and get them away from all that drama?

moo

Well, maybe now that Tommy is going to prison, she will find a beau worthy of her and be a wonderful role model for her kids, that is what I pray for-

Justice4all

01-23-2010, 09:56 PM

Considering the reasons he is sitting in the jail right now, I have to wonder if he had other 'errands' to do that day that required a trip out of town.

JMO

With his pastor? :scared:

Mimi428

01-23-2010, 09:56 PM

Bet large because he does.

Help me remember that tat - is that the one that is his mother's first name? Or does it say 'mom'? For some reason, I am thinking it says 'Teresa'.

Diamond1

01-23-2010, 09:56 PM

Ron didn't say anyone paid for it. It was one of the employee's that said that. and it was Ron's pastor that took him to the tattoo place. Why are you making it out to be something evil?

moo

You are making things up. Misty and Ronald went there. His pastor did not go. And I do not believe anyone gave that loser a tattoo as a gift. It is just not true. someone told the reporter that and you can bet it was that despicable Ronald Cummings that said it.
MO

Justice4all

01-23-2010, 09:56 PM

And isn't it strange that the people at the parlor said he talked a lot about all the money he was getting and very little about his missing daughter.

Yeah that's pretty sick I tell ya.. but nothing shocks me anymore with this group.

moo

Diamond1

01-23-2010, 09:57 PM

And isn't it strange that the people at the parlor said he talked a lot about all the money he was getting and very little about his missing daughter.

I sure would like to see the video. That video is going to tell the tale about Ronald Cummings.
mo

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 09:57 PM

Does anyone know how Tommy posted bail so fast?

He is showing hes in St Johns, and his bail is 7508-

Mimi428

01-23-2010, 09:58 PM

Does anyone know how Tommy posted bail so fast?

Is he out already from the arrest this week??

Diamond1

01-23-2010, 09:58 PM

Does anyone know how Tommy posted bail so fast?

Is Tommy out of jail??:confused:

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 09:58 PM

Yes he is. He has his mother name on his chest. Check it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uND4ogbsKD4&NR=1&feature=fvwp

Gross-barf

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 10:00 PM

Is Tommy out of jail??:confused:

No, but bond appears to be reduced-

http://www.sjso.org/inmate_search_warrants.aspx

His status is- in jail-

Tracian

01-23-2010, 10:01 PM

Is Tommy out of jail??:confused:

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=758545&IMG=59423

HANK THOMAS CROSLIN
SATSUMA, FL
Booking Date & Time: 1/21/2010 8:48:12 AM - Booking#: 10-00277
Release Date & Time: 1/21/2010 10:20:00 AM
DOB: 8/2/1986 - RACE: W - SEX: M

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 10:01 PM

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=758545&IMG=59423

HANK THOMAS CROSLIN
SATSUMA, FL
Booking Date & Time: 1/21/2010 8:48:12 AM - Booking#: 10-00277
Release Date & Time: 1/21/2010 10:20:00 AM
DOB: 8/2/1986 - RACE: W - SEX: M

He is being held and St Johns, and that link does not say bond was posted-

?noanswer

01-23-2010, 10:02 PM

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=758545&IMG=59423

HANK THOMAS CROSLIN
SATSUMA, FL
Booking Date & Time: 1/21/2010 8:48:12 AM - Booking#: 10-00277
Release Date & Time: 1/21/2010 10:20:00 AM
DOB: 8/2/1986 - RACE: W - SEX: M

He was released (transferred to St. John's County). He is still in jail there. JMO

Tracian

01-23-2010, 10:03 PM

He is being held and St Johns, and that link does not say bond was posted-

Oh, that is because he was moved.

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 10:04 PM

Oh, that is because he was moved.

Yeah, he was transported there Wed night- with Misty and Donna and Ron is in Flaggler County-

datacop

01-23-2010, 10:05 PM

No, but bond appears to be reduced-

http://www.sjso.org/inmate_search_warrants.aspx

His status is- in jail-

The main thing is that the bond for Putnam County has NOT been reduced, and whatever St Johns is putting on their file means little.

Last night for Misty, one place showed $150000 and another $250000.
Misty does have one case in St. Johns, but unless they have a secret, Tommy is only there for a place to stay, maybe "security" or maybe they think he'll put the screws to Misty, like the family who cells "together" talks together.

Mimi428

01-23-2010, 10:08 PM

It does say Teresa.

Thanks, I was thinking that was what it said, but couldn't swear to it.

Don't even get me started on some of the interps that could be put forward about that. Anybody know how old Ron was when Teresa & his dad went their separate ways?

uknowme?

01-23-2010, 10:09 PM

OMG! I had almost forgotten about Crystal and her stepbrother/fiance! How sick is that? And her doing drugs while she was pregnant. And she has devout worshippers here! Imagine that. At least most people have come to the realization that Ronald is scum. But to keep supporting a 'mother like that is beyond me. I suppose they must live life styles similar to Crystal. That way of life with drugs and crack pipes on her property. The marijuana parties and all.

It's no wonder they love her.

a step brother is not blood brother. If they were born at the same time and raised from babies, well I agree that's bad. But if not it's perfectly ok and is done all the time. I have studied blood lines so I do know this subject. Is this girl crystal in prison for child abuse or drug dealing? I don't know her but everyone makes mistakes and learns from them. Other people like this dude who lost his daughter doesn't seem to learn from his. Prison kinda trumps anything you say about that grieving mother. God bless that woman.

CanCan

01-23-2010, 10:17 PM

Considering the reasons he is sitting in the jail right now, I have to wonder if he had other 'errands' to do that day that required a trip out of town.

JMO

:hat: Yep. Probably had to make an out-of-town delivery for his pharmaceutical business.

jmo

Clara Harris

01-23-2010, 10:21 PM

He should have said NO. But then we know that is not true. He went sneaking out of town on a day a major ground search for Haleigh was scheduled to get a tattoo that he intended to pay for with donation money. NO one has come forward to claim they gave him a tattoo as a gift. That was told to cover up his reason for sneaking out of town when hundreds of people were beating the bushes searching for Haleigh.
mo

Why is it okay for Crystal not to be at ground search? Where was she that day? It was certainly okay to be out of town every weekday and and every other weekend of HaLeigh and Jr's life. It was okay for her never to attend to her daughter's educational or social opportunities. Why start, it seems to me?

Lindsy loves her husband so it is somehow okay to enable him. It seems okay for some that Crystal never enabled her kids with the court mandated support - or took full advantage of its custody order. How sad for all her kids JMT&OO.

If any of these kids survives the turmoil unscathed, it will exception somehow conquering the rule. They all deserve so much better than they are currently given.

CanCan

01-23-2010, 10:22 PM

FrankieBones1

01-23-2010, 10:27 PM

I just laugh at anyone who has such an issue with marijuana, considering its legal for medical purposes in a bunch of states, and probably will be legal in the future, alcohol is way worse- God has blessed that woman, the online beating she has gotten, well, karma worked in her favor and she has her son now, it doesnt matter what anyone says about her, at least shes not so pathetic she sits online brutalizing the mother of a missing child day after day, I would seriously be more embarrassed about that, then doing drugs-
She doesn't deserve Junior. She never wanted those kids. I hope a judge sees to that before it is too late. She needs to get clean first. Anyone that holds her up as Mother of the Year is foolish and that is embarassing.

KIMMIE

01-23-2010, 10:29 PM

I really cant even begin to imagine- maybe someone has a script, but still- On another note- there was a pharmacy that was robbed in Palatka in recent weeks, dont know if that has anything to do with it...........

jmo

As i remember seeing Ronald other than his crying jag he looked to be very very high......even his mother said it was medication he was taking....could that have been oxy or hydro .....and did he really beleive what Misty told him..b/cuz if it was my child i would have been in her face till i got the answers i was looking for.......LE held this one way to close to the vest..but then maybe it was b\/cuz they knew they were involved with drugs ....they just needed to catch them......and that Donna chick i knew she wasnt right the first time i saw her.:sneaky:

Justice4all

01-23-2010, 10:30 PM

Gross-barf

Why is that gross?

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 10:30 PM

She doesn't deserve Junior. She never wanted those kids. I hope a judge sees to that before it is too late. She needs to get clean first. Anyone that holds her up as Mother of the Year is foolish and that is embarassing.

I dont think anyone has said she is mother of the year, and your point would really be valid if she never once went to court to try to get her kids, but since she has a few times, your statement she never wanted the kids doesn't hold any weight at all, and actually, another thing, had she not exercised her weekend visitations, that would prove your point too, but she got her kids everytime she was allowed, she even went to go get permission to be able to have phone contact for Junior and take him to a therapist, or get him counseling, I mean for someone who you say didn't want her kids, her actions say otherwise.

Justice4all

01-23-2010, 10:33 PM

I'd have to know more about them, more about the circumstances in their lives, more about the circumstances in which they decided to get tattoos to ever have an opinion about it.

Since this thread isn't about them, I'll stick to giving my opinion about how Ron's tattoo of Haleigh on the back of his leg struck me, considering the circumstances in his life at the time.

If Ron would have got Haleigh's picture on his chest what would that have meant?

Justice4all

01-23-2010, 10:34 PM

I dont think anyone has said she is mother of the year, and your point would really be valid if she never once went to court to try to get her kids, but since she has a few times, your statement she never wanted the kids doesn't hold any weight at all, and actually, another thing, had she not exercised her weekend visitations, that would prove your point too, but she got her kids everytime she was allowed, she even went to go get permission to be able to have phone contact for Junior and take him to a therapist, or get him counseling, I mean for someone who you say didn't want her kids, her actions say otherwise.

IMO it's Marie pushing Crystal to be a good mother. I think that's one of the reasons she reported Crystal to DCF.

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 10:38 PM

IMO it's Marie pushing Crystal to be a good mother. I think that's one of the reasons she reported Crystal to DCF.

I hope that whatever happened in the past, Crystal got stronger and grew up and changed her ways, that my hope for her, and Marie is a great role model for Crystal, so I am glad Marie is there to guide her, Crystal is truly blessed.

willow

01-23-2010, 10:38 PM

Link to the warrants-
http://multimedia.jacksonville.com/WMV/pdfs/Cummings_%20Croslin_Brock_%20Sykes_Warrants.pdf

Thanks Viva for posting these but I am so far behind I could never catch up. I hope if you are on-line or someone will help me out with a couple of things.

Have some of the charges been dropped? I hope NOT, but I only see one for Ron at $250,000.00 and I know I read that Ron's was at $500,000.00 at one time. ( not the warrants but here on the boards).

I also notice Misty is missing some also - so PLEASE don't tell me that some charges have been dropped...have they?

Also, I have never even heard of some of those drugs - were they selling and buying all of those drugs or are they just all in the same class of drugs? I was really curious about the Heroin.

Also, I am hoping that Cobra and " the group" had changed their minds about bailing ANY of them out, does anyone know if they are still thinking about it?

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 10:40 PM

Thanks Viva for posting these but I am so far behind I could never catch up. I hope if you are on-line or someone will help me out with a couple of things.

Have some of the charges been dropped? I hope NOT, but I only see one for Ron at $250,000.00 and I know I read that Ron's was at $500,000.00 at one time. ( not the warrants but here on the boards).

I also notice Misty is missing some also - so PLEASE don't tell me that some charges have been dropped...have they?

Also, I have never even heard of some of those drugs - were they selling and buying all of those drugs or are they just all in the same class of drugs? I was really curious about the Heroin.

Also, I am hoping that Cobra and " the group" had changed their minds about bailing ANY of them out, does anyone know if they are still thinking about it?

Hi Willow.

Everyone is still in jail and no charges have been dropped as of tonight.

Donna, Tommy and Misty are in St Johns County Jail-

Ronald is being held in Flaggler County, and Hope Sykes, his cousin is in Putnam-

They were selling oxycontin which is an opiate derivative, very similar to heroin, its actually called on the street- hillbilly heroin-

Clara Harris

01-23-2010, 10:42 PM

Trial? :read: Has he been convicted already?

Trial by express review? No need for facts. Who needs sunshine laws when you can beam mere opinions up?

I have read that some posters believe LE didn't really clear Ron with their statements.

I have read that LE didn't do a proper job investigating HaLeigh's disappearance. I mean how many chances did they have to infilterate the crowd in the 11 preceding months?

I am now reading that some believe LE must have done this sting by the book. It seems that some believe these charges will stick. There is no plea bargaining. There is nary a mention of entrapment.

I guess due to my training, I am one of those doubting thomas' that suspect if it is too good to be true, it probably is. I can't imagine that $3,900 in illegal RX total btwn 5 people will hold up over time and due process to the stiff charges and bonds. They might gather new information that will garner new charges and keep the bail unattainable.

But murderers, rapists, etc are let out on many less decimal places every day. Eventually the bond will be considered unreasonable for the charges pending JMT&OO.

Just based on Tommy's bus stop bust, there is something off center abt the handling of that case vs what little I know abt this one.

Where were they getting the drugs? Does LE already know? Their supplier would be a much bigger bust than these dirt road peddlers IMO of course. Sort of like "wiggle room."

willow

01-23-2010, 10:49 PM

I'll take of the blame too. I'm still trying to figure out how many different "work hours" that has come out that were the absolute truth.

Well, I guess I am still there also because I still haven't figured out the exact hours Ron was at work and what hours LE is completely satisfied with.

Clara Harris

01-23-2010, 10:52 PM

Hi Willow.

Everyone is still in jail and no charges have been dropped as of tonight.

Donna, Tommy and Misty are in St Johns County Jail-

Ronald is being in Flaggler County, and Hope Sykes, his cousin is in Putnam-

They were selling oxycontin which is an opiate derivative, very similar

to heroin, its actually called on the street- hillbilly heroin-

:read:

Charges are all for trafficking Oxycodone and hydrocodone = perocet.

Hillbilly Heroine = oxycontin = more powerful and diff release to system. But what's a technicality?

Goodnight moon.

VivaViva

01-23-2010, 10:52 PM

Well, I guess I am still there also because I still haven't figured out the exact hours Ron was at work and what hours LE is completely satisfied with.

Right, because if he did go to work when he says he did, 8 hours from that time would be midnight- So I think Ron went to work at 7pm that night- and for some reason he was late for his shift-

jmo

willow

01-23-2010, 11:05 PM

Misty's not the only one going through withdrawals, imoo.

After watching the 2 videos of Ronald on the previous thread, I think he's a tweaker. He is definitely using something.

I feel silly asking this question, but what is a tweaker?

Ladygator

01-23-2010, 11:08 PM

Strictly MOO but I don't think that this bust went down over one 'tip'.

I think LE has been looking at this bunch and their drug activites for a while now. Their 'tipster' could be more like an informant who helped introduce the undercover agent to them.

We call certain information 'rumors' because it's what someone heard, from someone else, etc, the grape vine, you catch my drift. Often times though, the 'rumor' is more like a half-truth, in Anthony speak.

If inmate chatter in Putnam County was talking about drugs and Haleigh's disappearance, LE would be foolish not to investigate that angle.

Not that Haleigh was taken because of drugs, but people who know Ron and Misty go talk to others and say they're a bunch of drug heads and now their child is missing. People start talking, one things leads to another...

TaraCrazyHair

01-23-2010, 11:21 PM

Clara Harris

01-23-2010, 11:23 PM

The Crystal devoutees pretend to forget about those little details. They see her as some pure goddess. It's insane, really. Why do grown woman relate to a woman (and I use that word loosely) like her. It's a known fact that it was Marie that wanted those precious children in her life; not Crystal. Crystal wouldn't even get her self out of bed to get to court to fight for them. How pathetic. But even more pathetic is grown women making excuses for her.

BBM. Thank you Frankie for articulating what I could not. I am all for advocating for victim so long as victim is willing to advocate for herself. It is pathetic that there seems to be an acceptable excuse for whatever shortcomings Crystal exhibits. HaLeigh and Jr deserved better than the lesser of 2 evils - which, b/f Wed., was their daddy-- since 2005.

I hope Crystal is willing and able to serve a proper parental role in her children's lives. They deserve the love and support a mother and a father.

Ron & Crystal need intense intervention from all available resources to be good parents and productive members of society. IOW, they need more resources than they will ever give back :( It saddens me to think no matter how great the gifts, it will not be enough for some). We can only effectively help others that help themselves. JMT&OO

Ladygator

01-23-2010, 11:23 PM

It was a month long investigation --- not from a tip

There is a link around her somewhere that says the investigation was because of a 'tip'.

MrLucky917B

01-23-2010, 11:30 PM

There is a link around her somewhere that says the investigation was because of a 'tip'.

It was in the Press release from PCSO..

willow

01-23-2010, 11:35 PM

Hi Willow.

Everyone is still in jail and no charges have been dropped as of tonight.

Donna, Tommy and Misty are in St Johns County Jail-

Ronald is being held in Flaggler County, and Hope Sykes, his cousin is in Putnam-

They were selling oxycontin which is an opiate derivative, very similar to heroin, its actually called on the street- hillbilly heroin-

Thanks for all your help Viva and I am glad no charges have been dropped.

W_D_1

01-23-2010, 11:38 PM

Believe it or not, there are men out there who hide drug use from their wives-

How many of those men were involved in a high profile missing child case and had a recent drug arrest that made national headlines?

Tracian

01-23-2010, 11:41 PM

How many of those men were involved in a high profile missing child case and had a recent drug arrest that made national headlines?

This is not Tommy's first arrest recently involving drugs; not only that, Tommy is also facing grand theft charges in regards to his blind neighbor.

Lindsey seems to have a future, she should distance herself from the Croslins, they are toxic.

Tracian

01-23-2010, 11:43 PM

Believe it or not, there are men out there who hide drug use from their wives-

Yeah, and there are a lot of parents out there that don't know everything their adult children are doing every minute of every day.

Trissy

01-23-2010, 11:48 PM

I know that no one agrees with me, but i still say Ron is working with LE. jmo

Tracian

01-23-2010, 11:50 PM

I feel silly asking this question, but what is a tweaker?

I have heard it used in reference to someone that does meth. They are jittery, they pick at their faces, loose a lot of weight, etc.

No matter what I think of Misty, she does not look like a 'tweaker'.

Tracian

01-23-2010, 11:52 PM

I know that no one agrees with me, but i still say Ron is working with LE. jmo

You have the right to that opinion, especially when so many here insisted that he was an informant for LE.

Trissy

01-23-2010, 11:54 PM

You have the right to that opinion, especially when so many here insisted that he was an informant for LE.

I just cant see him taking a chance on losing another child. jmo

W_D_1

01-23-2010, 11:55 PM

Why is it okay for Crystal not to be at ground search? Where was she that day? It was certainly okay to be out of town every weekday and and every other weekend of HaLeigh and Jr's life. It was okay for her never to attend to her daughter's educational or social opportunities. Why start, it seems to me?

Lindsy loves her husband so it is somehow okay to enable him. It seems okay for some that Crystal never enabled her kids with the court mandated support - or took full advantage of its custody order. How sad for all her kids JMT&OO.

If any of these kids survives the turmoil unscathed, it will exception somehow conquering the rule. They all deserve so much better than they are currently given.

I see the misinformation is still being put out as fact.

The search on the day got the tattoo wasn't scheduled or announced. And I notice diamond conveniently left out that it was an LE only search.

CatToy

01-23-2010, 11:58 PM

I feel silly asking this question, but what is a tweaker?
usually a phrase used to describe someone out of their mind on crank or meth.

willow

01-24-2010, 12:01 AM

I have heard it used in reference to someone that does meth. They are jittery, they pick at their faces, loose a lot of weight, etc.

No matter what I think of Misty, she does not look like a 'tweaker'.

Thank you Trician, because I had no idea what a tweaker was and thanks for not making me feel silly for asking.

TaraCrazyHair

01-24-2010, 12:01 AM

I just cant see him taking a chance on losing another child. jmo

It already happened

Tracian

01-24-2010, 12:01 AM

I just laugh at anyone who has such an issue with marijuana, considering its legal for medical purposes in a bunch of states, and probably will be legal in the future, alcohol is way worse- God has blessed that woman, the online beating she has gotten, well, karma worked in her favor and she has her son now, it doesnt matter what anyone says about her, at least shes not so pathetic she sits online brutalizing the mother of a missing child day after day, I would seriously be more embarrassed about that, then doing drugs-

BBM:
So it's okay to do drugs, admit to doing drugs while pregnant, and have your last child born with drugs in her system...but don't ever offer an opinion on line against Crystal, because that is just crossing the line.

:rolleyes:

Tracian

01-24-2010, 12:04 AM

VivaViva,
Thanks so much for explaining. That's exactly what I meant. Ronald getting that tattoo-- so soon after Haleigh's disappearance and without knowing if Haleigh was dead or alive was--- let's just say surprising.

He got one of his son as well, so I don't see how that really means anything.

W_D_1

01-24-2010, 12:05 AM

BBM:
So it's okay to do drugs, admit to doing drugs while pregnant, and have your last child born with drugs in her system...but don't ever offer an opinion on line against Crystal, because that is just crossing the line.

:rolleyes:

Amazing isn't it? Scary as all get out too.

Tracian

01-24-2010, 12:15 AM

Amazing isn't it? Scary as all get out too.

I have been living in the dark for a couple of days. Any news releases in regards to the hearing. The rumors are getting deep, almost to the point of a twisted soap opera.

TIA.

W_D_1

01-24-2010, 12:16 AM

More misinformation laid to rest....the tattoo of Haleigh is on the side of Ron's leg, not the back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uND4ogbsKD4

W_D_1

01-24-2010, 12:19 AM

I have been living in the dark for a couple of days. Any news releases in regards to the hearing. The rumors are getting deep, almost to the point of a twisted soap opera.

TIA.

Just that Crystal got temp custody and will have to have another hearing to get full custody.

willow

01-24-2010, 12:20 AM

usually a phrase used to describe someone out of their mind on crank or meth.

Thank you for the help also.

I am still wondering if Cobra and that group is still considering bailing Misty out? I hope not, but I would not put it past Cobra.

Diamond1

01-24-2010, 12:21 AM

Just that Crystal got temp custody and will have to have another hearing to get full custody.

Standard procedure. The papers awarding her full custody will be submitted and approved.
mo

playnice

01-24-2010, 12:26 AM

Havent been able to check the board so has anyone else been arrested in last couple days.

Tracian

01-24-2010, 12:28 AM

willow
Don't feel silly asking a question. Tweakers are people who do methamphetamine, which is a type of speed. I worked as a volunteer EMT last summer. We picked up more than a few drug users. Ronald looks similar to young men who do meth. That is jmoo.

I so disagree. I worked in an ER and neither Misty or Ron look like meth users; Lisa Croslin, yep, she is in her 40's and looks about 60, her face caved, her teeth missing, and her skin palor.

Meth makes people very thin, sickly thin, and ages them considerably.

Tracian

01-24-2010, 12:33 AM

Standard procedure. The papers awarding her full custody will be submitted and approved.
mo

Don't count chickens, DCF will have to investigate before they will give an opinion, and Jr could very well end up in Foster Care.

Like it or not, Ron is still innocent in the eyes of the law, right now, he is only unable to be a parent, so permanent custody may take until he is actually convicted.

willow

01-24-2010, 12:33 AM

willow
Don't feel silly asking a question. Tweakers are people who do methamphetamine, which is a type of speed. I worked as a volunteer EMT last summer. We picked up more than a few drug users. Ronald looks similar to young men who do meth. That is jmoo.

Thanks for the help - I am thankful I have never had a reason to learn about some of these drugs and the terms, etc. This is also the first case I have followed online and it shows..lol.

O/T - Good for you working as a EMT, anyone in the medical field are special people imo.

Diamond1

01-24-2010, 12:35 AM

Don't count chickens, DCF will have to investigate before they will give an opinion, and Jr could very well end up in Foster Care.

Like it or not, Ron is still innocent in the eyes of the law, right now, he is only unable to be a parent, so permanent custody may take until he is actually convicted.

I think it will be shortly after his arraignment next month.

Tracian

01-24-2010, 12:38 AM

I think it will be shortly after his arraignment next month.

But there is no guarantee that Crystal will get custody. DCF will be monitoring, talking to Jr, and because of KP's statements and those others under oath, she will more likely than not, have to submit to drug testing.

W_D_1

01-24-2010, 12:38 AM

Don't count chickens, DCF will have to investigate before they will give an opinion, and Jr could very well end up in Foster Care.

Like it or not, Ron is still innocent in the eyes of the law, right now, he is only unable to be a parent, so permanent custody may take until he is actually convicted.

I hope the court or DCF sprung a surprise drug screen on Crystal. 2 days wouldn't be enough time to clean her system.

Tracian

01-24-2010, 12:39 AM

HIS SON WASNT MISSING :rolleyes:

This is true, but that kinda kills the 'memorial' tattoo that he got for HaLeigh...because he got one for his other child as well.

Diamond1

01-24-2010, 12:41 AM

But there is no guarantee that Crystal will get custody. DCF will be monitoring, talking to Jr, and because of KP's statements and those others under oath, she will more likely than not, have to submit to drug testing.

The court will take into account the best interest of the child. Considering all he has lost in the course of a year, he will be placed with his mother. It will have to be a very bad problem or home situation to warrant placing him in foster care.
mo

playnice

01-24-2010, 12:47 AM

Arent Hydrocodone and Oxycodone the stuff anna Nichole Smith was taking? I dont get why people want to mess with stuff like that.

Tracian

01-24-2010, 12:48 AM

Like I said, Ronald looks like a meth user. Tall, lanky thin, squinty eyes. His mother has on several occassions said there are times Ronald stays up for long periods without sleep. Another side effect of meth. NOT all meth users pick their face until they have visible sores.

Staying up for long periods of time since his child has been missing can also be simple worry, despair, grief, depression....etc.

Meth is disfiguring:

Through a combination of nutrient depletion and lack of food, meth users suffer serious physical damage. Calcium depletion coupled with meth user's tendency to grit their teeth while high causes a significant portion of meth users to lose teeth.

Meth users wrinkle and age quickly. Paleness around the eyes and soars on the face are other physically distinguishing characteristics of a meth user.

The fact that meth users will frequently continue using even as their teeth fall out demonstrates how addictive meth is.

http://www.digital-immersion.net/meth/user.htm

The easiest outwardly visible sign of Methamphetamine use is rapid weight loss. The amount of weight that someone looses can vary from person to person depending on their physical size and how rapidly their use progresses. On average a person can lose 8 to 10 pounds a month for several months in a row. Many young ladies are deceived by the drug by thinking it is a quick way to lose weight. Often the user goes past the point of looking normal into an appearance of looking to thin or has a sunken face. Many people look like “skin and bones”. Eating binges are common for those persons coming down from a several day Methamphetamine high.

http://www.meth-in-douglas.com/signs_of_use.htm

IMO, Misty and Ron do not display this, Lisa Croslin, IMO could be the poster child for this description..

Just for the record...I have NEVER believed Misty's story...EVER.

Tracian

01-24-2010, 12:50 AM

Tracian

01-24-2010, 12:52 AM

In many, if not most cases, it's because of doctors overprescribing it, and the patient becomming addicted.

BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumbsup:

playnice

01-24-2010, 12:54 AM

[QUOTE=Tracian;13814584]The easiest outwardly visible sign of Methamphetamine use is rapid weight loss. The amount of weight that someone looses can vary from person to person depending on their physical size and how rapidly their use progresses. On average a person can lose 8 to 10 pounds a month for several months in a row.

Sounds like what stress does to me. I eat like a pig and constantly lose weight during stressful events. I have a very stressful job and take care of my mother who has alt and deminta after work and its a battle for me to keep on weight. I dont do drugs at all. i dont even drink.

willow

01-24-2010, 12:54 AM

The court will take into account the best interest of the child. Considering all he has lost in the course of a year, he will be placed with his mother. It will have to be a very bad problem or home situation to warrant placing him in foster care.
mo

I hope you are right, JR has been through far too much to be pulled completely away from his family and put in a Foster home.

I realize they are good Foster homes out there, but they are a few BAD ones also and then I see ' some ' posters hoping for JR to go to a Foster home and I think to myself - Just how much more do people think this little boy can stand? It is SAD and he needs his own family.

Sorry Diamond - I kinda jumped off your post

willow

01-24-2010, 12:55 AM

Havent been able to check the board so has anyone else been arrested in last couple days.

I am way behind also, but I do not think so.

playnice

01-24-2010, 12:55 AM

In many, if not most cases, it's because of doctors overprescribing it, and the patient becomming addicted.

Yeah makes sense.

Diamond1

01-24-2010, 12:59 AM

Staying up for long periods of time since his child has been missing can also be simple worry, despair, grief, depression....etc.

Meth is disfiguring:

Through a combination of nutrient depletion and lack of food, meth users suffer serious physical damage. Calcium depletion coupled with meth user's tendency to grit their teeth while high causes a significant portion of meth users to lose teeth.

Meth users wrinkle and age quickly. Paleness around the eyes and soars on the face are other physically distinguishing characteristics of a meth user.

The fact that meth users will frequently continue using even as their teeth fall out demonstrates how addictive meth is.

http://www.digital-immersion.net/meth/user.htm

The easiest outwardly visible sign of Methamphetamine use is rapid weight loss. The amount of weight that someone looses can vary from person to person depending on their physical size and how rapidly their use progresses. On average a person can lose 8 to 10 pounds a month for several months in a row. Many young ladies are deceived by the drug by thinking it is a quick way to lose weight. Often the user goes past the point of looking normal into an appearance of looking to thin or has a sunken face. Many people look like “skin and bones”. Eating binges are common for those persons coming down from a several day Methamphetamine high.

http://www.meth-in-douglas.com/signs_of_use.htm

IMO, Misty and Ron do not display this, Lisa Croslin, IMO could be the poster child for this description..

Just for the record...I have NEVER believed Misty's story...EVER.

Thanks for the info. I wondered why meth addicts usually do not have any teeth left. I thought it was because the drug ate through the enamel of their teeth and caused decay which then caused their teeth to fall out.

playnice

01-24-2010, 01:10 AM

SIS Is that you? j/k
playnice,
My sister is exactly like that. When she's upset about her job, dreading something she has to do with the house she's building, she looses weight very quickly.

Yeah I just recently dropped to 96 and its scary. I was shoving everything high calorie I could in me. Made it back to 102. My metabolism kicks in to overdrive.

TaraCrazyHair

01-24-2010, 01:10 AM

In many, if not most cases, it's because of doctors overprescribing it, and the patient becomming addicted.

Exactly!!!

And the patient suffers, becomes the bad guy and the Dr's walk away free and clear

Makes me soooo mad

Gilly

01-24-2010, 01:13 AM

Trial by express review? No need for facts. Who needs sunshine laws when you can beam mere opinions up?

I have read that some posters believe LE didn't really clear Ron with their statements.

I have read that LE didn't do a proper job investigating HaLeigh's disappearance. I mean how many chances did they have to infilterate the crowd in the 11 preceding months?

I am now reading that some believe LE must have done this sting by the book. It seems that some believe these charges will stick. There is no plea bargaining. There is nary a mention of entrapment.

I guess due to my training, I am one of those doubting thomas' that suspect if it is too good to be true, it probably is. I can't imagine that $3,900 in illegal RX total btwn 5 people will hold up over time and due process to the stiff charges and bonds. They might gather new information that will garner new charges and keep the bail unattainable.

But murderers, rapists, etc are let out on many less decimal places every day. Eventually the bond will be considered unreasonable for the charges pending JMT&OO.

Just based on Tommy's bus stop bust, there is something off center abt the handling of that case vs what little I know abt this one.

Where were they getting the drugs? Does LE already know? Their supplier would be a much bigger bust than these dirt road peddlers IMO of course. Sort of like "wiggle room."

BBM. I totally agree. I am more than surprised that none of their lawyers has mentioned anything about lowering their bonds. IMO the amounts are excessive to the point of being ridiculous for the amount of pills they had. Have they all lawyered up yet?

Perhaps they should call up Tony Serra :thumbsup: The Binion Murder is on 48 Hours Mystery so I am going to watch that. Hopefully he is on it.

Clara Harris

01-24-2010, 01:17 AM

I so disagree. I worked in an ER and neither Misty or Ron look like meth users; Lisa Croslin, yep, she is in her 40's and looks about 60, her face caved, her teeth missing, and her skin palor.

Meth makes people very thin, sickly thin, and ages them considerably.

ITA w/you Tracian. As I understand it, Meth is manufactured and rarely has any "speed" from a pharmaceutical supply. It is more akin to toxins such as lead and mercury. One reason I beleive that Ron and Misty aren't really that into meth is because their teeth are in fairly good condition considering their propensity to self medicate by any means available. Meth browns and rots the teeth w/in months IIRC. skin gets ashy and rashy.

Meth labs are said to have a very distinct smell. If one is being run by anyone in this case, the info hasn't been made public. Not sure how valuable our discussion is since none of the people closely involved have been accused of using meth.

The rampant drug use in Putnam County is alarming JMT&OO

TaraCrazyHair

01-24-2010, 01:33 AM

ITA w/you Tracian. As I understand it, Meth is manufactured and rarely has any "speed" from a pharmaceutical supply. It is more akin to toxins such as lead and mercury. One reason I beleive that Ron and Misty aren't really that into meth is because their teeth are in fairly good condition considering their propensity to self medicate by any means available. Meth browns and rots the teeth w/in months IIRC. skin gets ashy and rashy.

Meth labs are said to have a very distinct smell. If one is being run by anyone in this case, the info hasn't been made public. Not sure how valuable our discussion is since none of the people closely involved have been accused of using meth.

The rampant drug use in Putnam County is alarming JMT&OO

I also agree they dont do meth

They may be addicted to Oxy -- but the line was drawn when they started to sell it

One thing to be addicted .... totally another to be a pusher of it for monetary gain

TaraCrazyHair

01-24-2010, 01:37 AM

BBM. I totally agree. I am more than surprised that none of their lawyers has mentioned anything about lowering their bonds. IMO the amounts are excessive to the point of being ridiculous for the amount of pills they had. Have they all lawyered up yet?

Perhaps they should call up Tony Serra :thumbsup: The Binion Murder is on 48 Hours Mystery so I am going to watch that. Hopefully he is on it.

I have wondered if the total street value was misprinted

Under $4,000 value yet super high bonds

Made no sense .... but places are cracking down hard on the trafficking of Oxy ... especially Fla

People are in prison for many years over a bag of weed or a small amount of crack just to set a example

Themis

01-24-2010, 01:43 AM

ITA w/you Tracian. As I understand it, Meth is manufactured and rarely has any "speed" from a pharmaceutical supply. It is more akin to toxins such as lead and mercury. One reason I beleive that Ron and Misty aren't really that into meth is because their teeth are in fairly good condition considering their propensity to self medicate by any means available. Meth browns and rots the teeth w/in months IIRC. skin gets ashy and rashy.

Meth labs are said to have a very distinct smell. If one is being run by anyone in this case, the info hasn't been made public. Not sure how valuable our discussion is since none of the people closely involved have been accused of using meth.

The rampant drug use in Putnam County is alarming JMT&OO
I don't see anyone named so far in this case running a meth lab -- it requires too much work for them.

Same for growing good quality marijuana -- too much work for them.

Buying and selling pills from unethical doctors or higher level suppliers, stealing and dealing, is more in line with their capabilities.
[JMO * Themis]

Themis

01-24-2010, 01:58 AM

I have wondered if the total street value was misprinted

Under $4,000 value yet super high bonds

Made no sense .... but places are cracking down hard on the trafficking of Oxy ... especially Fla

People are in prison for many years over a bag of weed or a small amount of crack just to set a example
I agree with you but these prescriptions are now a huge problem all over the country but especially in Florida. There was that special TV program, The OxyContin Express, highlighting the fact that there are so many 'pain clinics' in Florida that people are driving from several states away just for its easy access. Here's just one link mentioning Kentucky:

http://blogs.current.com/vanguard/2009/10/30/kentucky-targets-the-oxycontin-express/

And, as one L.E. official said in a recent interview or print article, L.E. does not set the bail amount -- judges do.
It could be that there is a lot of political pressure on the judges to try to halt the spread.

So, it could be that there in what is called the North East Florida counties, {St. Johns, Putnam, and Flager are 3 of the 7} the word went out to start making examples of the pill distributors and the Foolish Five were an easy catch.

[JMO * Themis]

Does Kentucky ring a bell with anyone?

Gilly

01-24-2010, 02:07 AM