HaLeigh Cummings, 1/19/2010-

[Rucky*Ron]

Soon to be at 1,000 posts on the old thread, so here is a fresh start.

Let's light a candle.


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[datacop]

New Question

Does anyone know when the original "fight" between RC and MC occurred and MC took off for her infamous weekend --- Thursday/Friday/Saturday?

[HouseOfClark]

Datacop I can't answer your question but here is one piece of information that I seem to remember.

Tommy had a red pickup truck when Haleigh went missing and he sold it very shortly after Haleigh went missing.

Did police ever check out that truck?

Shouldn't disappearing (sold/traded/junked) vehicles in the days surrounding the disappearance of a child be checked out?

Provided of course that LE was even told about the truck.

JMO

[datacop]

If I remember correctly, and I could always be wrong, Misti was talking about the truck in an interview that she did shortly after Haleigh disappeared and it came up again around the time of the rat in the mailbox incident.

So I would assume, and again I could be seriously wrong, that LE has known about the truck.

if there really was one -- if this was all Misty, I'd have serious doubts.

[datacop]

I have been searching for a link to the story that had the information about the red truck but no luck. What I am finding is that alot of the links to stories from credible sources don't work anymore.

Doesn't/didn't someone in the Cummings family also have a red truck?

[?noanswer]

I have been searching for a link to the story that had the information about the red truck but no luck. What I am finding is that alot of the links to stories from credible sources don't work anymore.

At one time there was a listing at this site for a repossesion for a red truck for Hank, Jr. http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/civ_dkts/frame.phpIt The listing is no longer there so this is JMO.

[tia marie]

Almost a year and still more questions than answers......

Thud!!! BassMan!!!! Where have you been?? Just thinking about you the other day.

Someone found this transcript of the Tyler St. radio call. I thought it raised a question as to when Haleigh was last seen. Not at 10pm, but from this info....later.


"Snip" http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5173311.php
FLE2: I’m available at 116 Tyler.
OP: 116 Tyler? (static) 26.
MLE1: What’s going on at 116?
FLE2: 1256.
OP: Go head.
FLE2: 10:08 from this location, going 97, back to Green.
OP: 10:4. Verifying the last time she was seen ____address.
FLE2: She was seen within her residence, about 1 to 1 1/2 hours ago..

[?noanswer]

Is this the Jerome that was connected to one of the players in this saga? http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=753945&IMG=51200

He has numerous charges and a bond of $33,000+.


JMO

[Lynn Gweeny]

I have been searching for a link to the story that had the information about the red truck but no luck. What I am finding is that alot of the links to stories from credible sources don't work anymore.


THE TRUTH ABOUT THE TRUCK (middle of page)

http://stephww.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/confirmed-misty-cummings-is-a-liar/


http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/082709_Polygraph_results_questioned_in_Haleigh_cas e

@ 12:15 – 12:45 ~ Misty talks about a RED TRUCK that Tommy had … ‘he sold it right after Haleigh come up missing’ … ‘he sold it to a black guy’ … ‘supposedly the motor blew up’ … ‘my dad even paid Tommy $500, cause that was my dad’s only transportation to get where he needed to go, to the doctor’s and stuff like that’ … ‘so, my dad gave him $500 to keep the truck and he sold it right out from under my dad gave him $500 and he sold right out from under him and got rid of it’

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=13414852&postcount=259

[datacop]

Thud!!! BassMan!!!! Where have you been?? Just thinking about you the other day.

Someone found this transcript of the Tyler St. radio call. I thought it raised a question as to when Haleigh was last seen. Not at 10pm, but from this info....later.


"Snip" http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5173311.php
FLE2: I’m available at 116 Tyler.
OP: 116 Tyler? (static) 26.
MLE1: What’s going on at 116?
FLE2: 1256.
OP: Go head.
FLE2: 10:08 from this location, going 97, back to Green.
OP: 10:4. Verifying the last time she was seen ____address.
FLE2: She was seen within her residence, about 1 to 1 1/2 hours ago..

1 to 1 1/2 hours go from "when" ... the 911 call, an earlier call from Tyler, the time of the transmission. None of those work with 10 o'clock.

[tia marie]

THE TRUTH ABOUT THE TRUCK (middle of page)

http://stephww.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/confirmed-misty-cummings-is-a-liar/


http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/082709_Polygraph_results_questioned_in_Haleigh_cas e

@ 12:15 – 12:45 ~ Misty talks about a RED TRUCK that Tommy had … ‘he sold it right after Haleigh come up missing’ … ‘he sold it to a black guy’ … ‘supposedly the motor blew up’ … ‘my dad even paid Tommy $500, cause that was my dad’s only transportation to get where he needed to go, to the doctor’s and stuff like that’ … ‘so, my dad gave him $500 to keep the truck and he sold it right out from under my dad gave him $500 and he sold right out from under him and got rid of it’

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=13414852&postcount=259

Thanks Lynn, but I have to consider the source of the info. Coming from Misty. She also mentioned the red rose, accused Joe and Tommy of improper advances,gave different versions of what Haleigh was wearing, recanted the *gun in the ditch*, etc...well, you know the drill...is Misty lying now or lying then?

moo

[datacop]

THE TRUTH ABOUT THE TRUCK (middle of page)

http://stephww.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/confirmed-misty-cummings-is-a-liar/


http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/082709_Polygraph_results_questioned_in_Haleigh_cas e

@ 12:15 – 12:45 ~ Misty talks about a RED TRUCK that Tommy had … ‘he sold it right after Haleigh come up missing’ … ‘he sold it to a black guy’ … ‘supposedly the motor blew up’ … ‘my dad even paid Tommy $500, cause that was my dad’s only transportation to get where he needed to go, to the doctor’s and stuff like that’ … ‘so, my dad gave him $500 to keep the truck and he sold it right out from under my dad gave him $500 and he sold right out from under him and got rid of it’

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=13414852&postcount=259

Good work, as always.

So all we have so far about Tommy & a red truck is Misty. :tonguewag:

[datacop]

Is this the Jerome that was connected to one of the players in this saga? http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=753945&IMG=51200

He has numerous charges and a bond of $33,000+.


JMO

idk -- not ignoring you.

[tia marie]

1 to 1 1/2 hours go from "when" ... the 911 call, an earlier call from Tyler, the time of the transmission. None of those work with 10 o'clock.

Of course it doesn't.


I know many have questioned what LE was doing at Tyler st. the day Haleigh went missing.
In this transcript it states the reason there was to Verifying the last time Haleigh was seen which was, about 1 to 1 1/2 hours from time of the 911 call at 3:27AM. Which would of been around 2:00AM, not 10PM.

[tia marie]

Is this the Jerome that was connected to one of the players in this saga? http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=753945&IMG=51200

He has numerous charges and a bond of $33,000+.


JMO

Yup, that's him....IIRC he was transferred out of PC jail to a max prison in St. John's County. Wasn't he the one who was running the *house* where Amber and NayNay were staying at?

[?noanswer]

idk -- not ignoring you.

Just did a search and it looks like this is (was) Nay Nay's BF or maybe just a friend? JMO

[datacop]

Of course it doesn't.


I know many have questioned what LE was doing at Tyler st. the day Haleigh went missing.
In this transcript it states the reason there was to Verifying the last time Haleigh was seen which was, about 1 to 1 1/2 hours from time of the 911 call at 3:27AM. Which would of been around 2:00AM, not 10PM.


So when did the story change that she was not seen since 10 o'clock? And why would RC/MC think that someone at Tyler could verify that?

[?noanswer]

WOW!
Is he in deep do-do!
Wonder if he is out already?

Correct me if I'm wrong but is this NayNay's B/F?
Sorry if wrong. I just seem to recall him and a baby and a yelling match a while back...??

MOO

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=HAMC

I can't remember if he is baby daddy, but if so didn't he get custody? Wonder where the baby is now. JMO

[datacop]

Just did a search and it looks like this is (was) Nay Nay's BF or maybe just a friend? JMO

NN -- the one that may/may not be staying with MC at her brothers?

Nice group.

[?noanswer]

NN -- the one that may/may not be staying with MC at her brothers?

Nice group.

BBM

Exactly. With this cast of players, no wonder LE can't sort it all out. JMO

[tia marie]

I would assume that it would have meant from the time the words were spoken, otherwise, why bother? I mean, you are going to transmit that the child was last seen 1 to 1 1/2 hours ago from the time you are speaking, are you not? Otherwise, you are not communicating correct information, are you?

Was this a miscommunication? Was it correct? Why would it have to work with 10 o clock?

Suddenly I hear the monstrous whooshing sound of being sucked right back into this case........

I for one am glad your hearing the *whoosing sound*, you are one of my favorite adversary's. You keep me on my toes, although I do realize taking breaks are necessary, I try to do that myself. This case requires R&R.

[datacop]

Did I read the transcript wrong? Weren't they at Tyler when they received the initial call? What did I miss?


I've seen both ways. I believe it was determined that if there was an earlier call, it wasn't a 911 call. I guess a non-emergency call log is not available. idk

[HouseOfClark]

Did I read the transcript wrong? Weren't they at Tyler when they received the initial call? What did I miss?

You're not alone in your reading of the transcript.

It's always sounded like they were already at Tyler when the 911 call came in from Misty.

What's a "1256" in Putnam County call lingo?

[datacop]

You're not alone in your reading of the transcript.

It's always sounded like they were already at Tyler when the 911 call came in from Misty.

What's a "1256" in Putnam County call lingo?

56 JUVENILE REPOR/COMPLAINT

But I'm not sure if "12" series is the type or if that's officer's ID.

[4Kids]

You're not alone in your reading of the transcript.

It's always sounded like they were already at Tyler when the 911 call came in from Misty.

What's a "1256" in Putnam County call lingo?

The irony that LE was already at Tyler certainly doesn't escape me, and I am sure anyone else for that matter. THINGS were going on early in the AM that morning Haleigh went missing. And the Croslins were knee deep in those things.

House...the reason for them being at Tyler is another one of those things in the case that make me say hmmmm.

Yet LE has never even publicly mentioned it to my knowledge. IMO

[datacop]

The irony that LE was already at Tyler certainly doesn't escape me, and I am sure anyone else for that matter. THINGS were going on early in the AM that morning Haleigh went missing. And the Croslins were knee deep in those things.

House...the reason for them being at Tyler is another one of those things in the case that make me say hmmmm.

Yet LE has never even publicly mentioned it to my knowledge. IMO

Your comments last night just about the time the new thread was started were good.

[4Kids]

Your comments last night just about the time the new thread was started were good.

I truly hesitate, Data. I have never followed a case that has not been solved for such a long period with so little movement on the part of LE. I TRULY hesitate to make any accusations about wrongdoing regarding anyone, since I feel I have no right. If they are innocent of any wrondoing, how dare I add to their misery...ya know?

But here we have:

Scratched Van
Accusation of Cousin Stealing Scratched Van the night in question;
Brother places himself at Home (does so much later, might I add)
Misty calls other brother while she was supposed to be sleeping
Vehicle heard leaving scene around 2 am
Neighbor hearing loud voices around 2 am
LE already at Tyler around 2 am
Reports of child last being seen after midnight (by whom?)

These are the fact of the case that have me still checking here every day.

What in the heck was going on the evening that Haleigh disappeared? IMO

ETA LE being at Tyler sure provides a nice alibi....huh?

[datacop]

I truly hesitate, Data. I have never followed a case that has not been solved for such a long period with so little movement on the part of LE. I TRULY hesitate to make any accusations about wrongdoing regarding anyone, since I feel I have no right. If they are innocent of any wrondoing, how dare I add to their misery...ya know?

But here we have:

Scratched Van
Accusation of Cousin Stealing Scratched Van the night in question;
Brother places himself at Home (does so much later, might I add)
Misty calls other brother while she was supposed to be sleeping
Vehicle heard leaving scene around 2 am
Neighbor hearing loud voices around 2 am
LE already at Tyler around 2 am
Reports of child last being seen after midnight (by whom?)

These are the fact of the case that have me still checking here every day.

What in the heck was going on the evening that Haleigh disappeared? IMO

I didn't take anything you said as accusing anyone. We don't know what time MC called her other brother, only that according to LE, she did. I don't think they would have even mentioned it if it wasn't during the time that is so questionable and puzzle pieces keep changing.

[?noanswer]

I found this at http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5173311.php

Notice the red highlight where he says "going back to Green". Does that mean he had already been at Green? Further down he says he is back at Green. Also does 10:08 mean the time he was there. If so then the last seen 1 to 1 1/2 hrs ago would put it around 8:30 or 9:00

This is the transcription of the police radio transmission:

OP=dispatch. MLE=male LE. FLE=female LE. Single digit numbers behind MLE or FLE correspond to the different deputies responding to call. S = Sgt. Blanks are where words were garbled. Numbers beginning with 12 are individual officers’ ID numbers, those beginning with 11 denote rank of Sgt. When OP or anyone else calls out an 11 or 12 number that officer responds with his/her number – usually.

OP: 1271. 265. Signal 8.
MLE1: 1271.
OP: 202 Green Lane. 2 zero 2 Green Lane. The complainant’s advising she cannot find her 5 year old daughter. The backdoor is open at this time.
MLE1: 10:4. _______51_____code _____17.
OP: It’s 51 code. Sierra 1120.
MLE1: 10:26. Go ahead and advise 1118, I believe she is in the squad room.
OP: 1118.
FLE1: I’m 10:26. I’ll be 10:8 in just a couple. 10:51.
OP: 10:4. 1256.
FLE1: You got a cross street?
OP: Buffalo Bluff Road to Tyler Street, left on Monroe Avenue. It’s going to be in Satsuma.
MLES: Sierra 1120.
OP: 1120.
MLES: I got the age on this kid. Is it a boy or girl?
OP: Whiskey Foxtrot. Last seen wearing her PJ’s.
MLE: 10:4.
FLE2: Advice 1256.
OP: 1256.
FLE2: There is a railroad that runs right through there. Can we find out from CSA(?) when next train come through?
OP: 10:4. It just passed through.
MLES: (short static)
OP: Sierra 1120.
MLES: Sierra 1120.
OP: Can you 10:21?
MLES: 10:4.
FLE1: Lima 1118. 10:8. 10:51. Back.
OP: 10:4.
MLES: Sierra 1120.
OP: Arvan(?) 20.
MLE1: I’m back en route now to that signal 8. Where is that located at in Satsuma?
OP: 202 Green Lane. From Buffalo Bluff Road to Tyler Street, left on Monroe.
MLE1: 10:4. I’m not but a couple blocks. 10:4.
MLE1: 471 located 10:97.
OP: 10:4. 1297.
OP: 1271 or 1256 to 13.
MLE1: 77.
OP: cool. (?)
OP: Sierra 1120.
MLES: Sierra 1120.
OP: When you get to 97, can you give us an update?
MLES: They’re 77, they just haven’t located yet, but they’re 77.
OP: 10:4.
OP: Call back 1256. 1256. ____telephone____ordinary. Want me to call it in for you? 10:4.
FLE2: 1256.
FLE2: I’m available at 116 Tyler.
OP: 116 Tyler? (static) 26.
MLE1: What’s going on at 116?
FLE2: 1256.
OP: Go head.
FLE2: 10:08 from this location, going 97, back to Green.
OP: 10:4. Verifying the last time she was seen ____address.
FLE2: She was seen within her residence, about 1 to 1 1/2 hours ago..
OP: 10:4.MLES: Sierra 1120 to Lima 1118.
OP: Lima 1118. Sierra 1120. She advises 10:84. 1118 was not working earlier.
MLES: Why not? (or what?)
FLE1: Lima 1118.
OP: 1118.
FLE2: Reference call at 19 and 20. We believe it’s gonna all be in the city. If not, let us know. So far.
OP: So far.
FLE2: She’ll 10:8 to 51 to the south end. Also, I’ve talked to a (or the) City Supervisor, they’ve got a K-9 10:8 that’s gonna be en route.
OP: 10:4.
FLE2: When you get a good 10:8 from this location, if ya’ll just give him driving directions to where he needs to go.
OP: 10:4.
(static)
OP: 10:4. Go ahead.
FLE2: It’s off of Tyler. Take left. It’s a little dirt trail which comes around to Green Lane. Come in at back.
OP: 10:4. Tyler, take left, dirt trail, advise take right.
FLE2: 10:4. ______the first dirt road.
OP: 1256. 10:80 to LA Tuck (?).
MLES: Sierra 1120 to 1271.
MLES: 1120 to 1271.
MLE3: 1271. Go ahead sir.
MLES: Stay at the residence, maintain that point of access, reference for (or to) K-9’s and do another thorough search from inside the house. (this is 6 minutes into the calls)
MLE3: That’s 10:4.
MLES: 1120 to 1256.
FLE2: Yes, Sgt.
MLES: Are you back at the uh, house?
FLE2: 10:4.
MLES: Is that 10:4 or 10:54?
FLE2: 10:4. I’m back on Green Lane.
MLES: 10:4. Go ahead and gather as much information as you can get about any family or anything around here and uh, go ahead and call in and get her reported a signal 8.
OP: 10:4. It’s already done, Sir..
FLE1: Lima 1118.
OP: 1118.
FLE1: Make contact with Sgt. Riles (sp?) and when he calls in, patch him through to my cell please.
OP: 10:4.
OP: 1118. I’m patching him through at this time.
FLE1: Thank you.
FLE1: 1118. 10:97.
OP: 10:4. 10:97. Sierra 1120 are you 10 on me, 7?
MLES: 1120. 10:97 area, hold on.
OP: 10:4.
OP: 1 kilo 22.
MLES: 1120 to 1390, 19.
MLE4: 1319. Yes, Sgt.
MLES: Come on down to Buffalo Bluff Road and 17. Just start taking tags or stopping vehicles that are leaving from this area.
MLE4: 10:29.
MLE4: 1319. Send me en route from San Mateo.OP: 10:4.
MLE4: Caller 1319.
OP: 10:4. Caller 10:9 your location.
MLE4: We’re going to be on Buffalo Bluff, just off 17.
OP: 10:26. Thank you.
FLE1: Lima 1118.
OP: 1118.
FLE2: Can we check with St.John Valusia(sp?), see if they can put a chopper in the air for us.
OP: 10:4.
FLE@: Also, if you'd contact Tenner at home and tell him I need him to get a boat preparted that would go into canal areas, one of the small ones, and get activated and head down this way.
OP: 10:4
FLE!: Lima 1118.
MLES: 1120 SO.
OP: Lima 1118.
FLE1: Believe Valusia (SP?) has a flare unit, I’m, I’m not sure, if they don’t have one, you may want to check with Valusia first.
FLE3: Lima 1118. As for reference Valusia having a flare, I’ll make the 25 on that. I’m trying to get Deputy Tenner on the phone.
FLE1: Okay. Thanks. 10:4.
MLES: Sierra 1120 SO.
OP: 1120.
MLES: When ya’ll make contact with uh, Deputy Tenner, advise him that it’s going to be east of the Hermit Cover Marine, in these canals, back on south/southwest of the railroad track.
OP: 10:20, Sir.
MLE5: 12, 1231.
OP: J91325, 1325, received at 3:27.
MLE: static
OP: 1231. Also, 1231 do you have a picture in reference to the Signal 8, so we can enter that.
MLE5: 10:4.
MLES: Sierra 1120.
OP: 1120.
MLES: If you would, pull us the roster for day shift, ‘cause they were working today, go ahead and make contact with the Zone 2, Zone 1, Zone 7 Officers, tell them to take a 10:08.
OP: 10:4.
MLES: _____1173.
MLE: 1173. 10:08, 10:51 at Green Street.
OP: 10:4 to 51.
MLE: static
OP: 1271.
MLE1: 1256. 10:51. In control officially. (garbled, may be incorrect)
OP: 10:26.

End of taped transmission.

JMO

[datacop]

ETA LE being at Tyler sure provides a nice alibi....huh?


snipped

alibi for who?

[4Kids]

snipped

alibi for who?

The residents of Tyler, data. Wonder who was there? IMO

[HouseOfClark]

I dunno, HOC.......what's the square root of 4561? ;)

I swear to you, (not at ya, but to ya) the police knew that night that Tommy had been at the MH at 10 and no one was home. I am telling you, they knew, that night. I bet my lighthouse on it!

They were already at the Tyler residence, but I want to know who sent them there and why.

BBM

67.535176 :wink:

I agree that LE knew about Tommy's visit that night. And they knew it either that night or shortly thereafter IMO.

IMO, that info was only released in August to shake the trees and see what fell out.

JMO (although I would love to have that lighthouse.....)

[tia marie]

I dunno, HOC.......what's the square root of 4561? ;)

I swear to you, (not at ya, but to ya) the police knew that night that Tommy had been at the MH at 10 and no one was home. I am telling you, they knew, that night. I bet my lighthouse on it!

They were already at the Tyler residence, but I want to know who sent them there and why.

I'd love to know who called LE to Tyler St. that night, and why? What was the cause of concern? If we knew that info, it might be a puzzle piece that fits in.

I suppose from what little we are privy to, it appears the Tyler St address was a first alert that something was going on. What would help is to know what percipated that call? It wasn't from what I can see an alarm from Misty. Someone in that house had to have picked up the phone. Question is who and why.

Where the heck is Angela Lansbury when we need her.

[4Kids]

I'd love to know who called LE to Tyler St. that night, and why? What was the cause of concern? If we knew that info, it might be a puzzle piece that fits in.

If you were a betting woman Tia...who called and why? IMO

[HouseOfClark]

I found this at http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5173311.php

Notice the red highlight where he says "going back to Green". Does that mean he had already been at Green? Also does 10:08 mean the time he was there. If so then the last seen 1 to 1 1/2 hrs ago would put it around 8:30 or 9:00

This is the transcription of the police radio transmission:

OP=dispatch. MLE=male LE. FLE=female LE. Single digit numbers behind MLE or FLE correspond to the different deputies responding to call. S = Sgt. Blanks are where words were garbled. Numbers beginning with 12 are individual officers’ ID numbers, those beginning with 11 denote rank of Sgt. When OP or anyone else calls out an 11 or 12 number that officer responds with his/her number – usually.

OP: 1271. 265. Signal 8.
MLE1: 1271.
OP: 202 Green Lane. 2 zero 2 Green Lane. The complainant’s advising she cannot find her 5 year old daughter. The backdoor is open at this time.
MLE1: 10:4. _______51_____code _____17.
OP: It’s 51 code. Sierra 1120.
MLE1: 10:26. Go ahead and advise 1118, I believe she is in the squad room.
OP: 1118.
FLE1: I’m 10:26. I’ll be 10:8 in just a couple. 10:51.
OP: 10:4. 1256.
FLE1: You got a cross street?
OP: Buffalo Bluff Road to Tyler Street, left on Monroe Avenue. It’s going to be in Satsuma.
MLES: Sierra 1120.
OP: 1120.
MLES: I got the age on this kid. Is it a boy or girl?
OP: Whiskey Foxtrot. Last seen wearing her PJ’s.
MLE: 10:4.
FLE2: Advice 1256.
OP: 1256.
FLE2: There is a railroad that runs right through there. Can we find out from CSA(?) when next train come through?
OP: 10:4. It just passed through.
MLES: (short static)
OP: Sierra 1120.
MLES: Sierra 1120.
OP: Can you 10:21?
MLES: 10:4.
FLE1: Lima 1118. 10:8. 10:51. Back.
OP: 10:4.
MLES: Sierra 1120.
OP: Arvan(?) 20.
MLE1: I’m back en route now to that signal 8. Where is that located at in Satsuma?
OP: 202 Green Lane. From Buffalo Bluff Road to Tyler Street, left on Monroe.
MLE1: 10:4. I’m not but a couple blocks. 10:4.
MLE1: 471 located 10:97.
OP: 10:4. 1297.
OP: 1271 or 1256 to 13.
MLE1: 77.
OP: cool. (?)
OP: Sierra 1120.
MLES: Sierra 1120.
OP: When you get to 97, can you give us an update?
MLES: They’re 77, they just haven’t located yet, but they’re 77.
OP: 10:4.
OP: Call back 1256. 1256. ____telephone____ordinary. Want me to call it in for you? 10:4.
FLE2: 1256.
FLE2: I’m available at 116 Tyler.
OP: 116 Tyler? (static) 26.
MLE1: What’s going on at 116?
FLE2: 1256.
OP: Go head.
FLE2: 10:08 from this location, going 97, back to Green.
OP: 10:4. Verifying the last time she was seen ____address.
FLE2: She was seen within her residence, about 1 to 1 1/2 hours ago..
OP: 10:4.MLES: Sierra 1120 to Lima 1118.
OP: Lima 1118. Sierra 1120. She advises 10:84. 1118 was not working earlier.
MLES: Why not? (or what?)
FLE1: Lima 1118.
OP: 1118.
FLE2: Reference call at 19 and 20. We believe it’s gonna all be in the city. If not, let us know. So far.
OP: So far.
FLE2: She’ll 10:8 to 51 to the south end. Also, I’ve talked to a (or the) City Supervisor, they’ve got a K-9 10:8 that’s gonna be en route.
OP: 10:4.
FLE2: When you get a good 10:8 from this location, if ya’ll just give him driving directions to where he needs to go.
OP: 10:4.
(static)
OP: 10:4. Go ahead.
FLE2: It’s off of Tyler. Take left. It’s a little dirt trail which comes around to Green Lane. Come in at back.
OP: 10:4. Tyler, take left, dirt trail, advise take right.
FLE2: 10:4. ______the first dirt road.
OP: 1256. 10:80 to LA Tuck (?).
MLES: Sierra 1120 to 1271.
MLES: 1120 to 1271.
MLE3: 1271. Go ahead sir.
MLES: Stay at the residence, maintain that point of access, reference for (or to) K-9’s and do another thorough search from inside the house. (this is 6 minutes into the calls)
MLE3: That’s 10:4.
MLES: 1120 to 1256.
FLE2: Yes, Sgt.
MLES: Are you back at the uh, house?
FLE2: 10:4.
MLES: Is that 10:4 or 10:54?
FLE2: 10:4. I’m back on Green Lane.
MLES: 10:4. Go ahead and gather as much information as you can get about any family or anything around here and uh, go ahead and call in and get her reported a signal 8.
OP: 10:4. It’s already done, Sir..
FLE1: Lima 1118.
OP: 1118.
FLE1: Make contact with Sgt. Riles (sp?) and when he calls in, patch him through to my cell please.
OP: 10:4.
OP: 1118. I’m patching him through at this time.
FLE1: Thank you.
FLE1: 1118. 10:97.
OP: 10:4. 10:97. Sierra 1120 are you 10 on me, 7?
MLES: 1120. 10:97 area, hold on.
OP: 10:4.
OP: 1 kilo 22.
MLES: 1120 to 1390, 19.
MLE4: 1319. Yes, Sgt.
MLES: Come on down to Buffalo Bluff Road and 17. Just start taking tags or stopping vehicles that are leaving from this area.
MLE4: 10:29.
MLE4: 1319. Send me en route from San Mateo.OP: 10:4.
MLE4: Caller 1319.
OP: 10:4. Caller 10:9 your location.
MLE4: We’re going to be on Buffalo Bluff, just off 17.
OP: 10:26. Thank you.
FLE1: Lima 1118.
OP: 1118.
FLE2: Can we check with St.John Valusia(sp?), see if they can put a chopper in the air for us.
OP: 10:4.
FLE@: Also, if you'd contact Tenner at home and tell him I need him to get a boat preparted that would go into canal areas, one of the small ones, and get activated and head down this way.
OP: 10:4
FLE!: Lima 1118.
MLES: 1120 SO.
OP: Lima 1118.
FLE1: Believe Valusia (SP?) has a flare unit, I’m, I’m not sure, if they don’t have one, you may want to check with Valusia first.
FLE3: Lima 1118. As for reference Valusia having a flare, I’ll make the 25 on that. I’m trying to get Deputy Tenner on the phone.
FLE1: Okay. Thanks. 10:4.
MLES: Sierra 1120 SO.
OP: 1120.
MLES: When ya’ll make contact with uh, Deputy Tenner, advise him that it’s going to be east of the Hermit Cover Marine, in these canals, back on south/southwest of the railroad track.
OP: 10:20, Sir.
MLE5: 12, 1231.
OP: J91325, 1325, received at 3:27.
MLE: static
OP: 1231. Also, 1231 do you have a picture in reference to the Signal 8, so we can enter that.
MLE5: 10:4.
MLES: Sierra 1120.
OP: 1120.
MLES: If you would, pull us the roster for day shift, ‘cause they were working today, go ahead and make contact with the Zone 2, Zone 1, Zone 7 Officers, tell them to take a 10:08.
OP: 10:4.
MLES: _____1173.
MLE: 1173. 10:08, 10:51 at Green Street.
OP: 10:4 to 51.
MLE: static
OP: 1271.
MLE1: 1256. 10:51. In control officially. (garbled, may be incorrect)
OP: 10:26.

End of taped transmission.

JMO

But why would they be headed "back to Green" when they are just now being advised that Haleigh is missing?

(ETA: And the 911 call does not give the address of 116 Tyler Street for anything. That address just rolled right out of the officer's mouth.)

[4Kids]

But why would they be headed "back to Green" when they are just now being advised that Haleigh is missing?

(ETA: And the 911 call does not give the address of 116 Tyler Street for anything. That address just rolled right out of the officer's mouth.)

Who were the residents of 116 Tyler at that time? IMO

[?noanswer]

I'd love to know who called LE to Tyler St. that night, and why? What was the cause of concern? If we knew that info, it might be a puzzle piece that fits in.

I suppose from what little we are privy to, it appears the Tyler St address was a first alert that something was going on. What would help is to know what percipated that call? It wasn't from what I can see an alarm from Misty. Someone in that house had to have picked up the phone. Question is who and why.

Where the heck is Angela Lansbury when we need her.

From the recap of the transmission I posted above, the officer had already been at Green. Maybe he went to see if Haleigh was at Tyler after talking to RC/MC. JMO

[?noanswer]

But why would they be headed "back to Green" when they are just now being advised that Haleigh is missing?

(ETA: And the 911 call does not give the address of 116 Tyler Street for anything. That address just rolled right out of the officer's mouth.)


It sounds to me like that officer had already been to Green before he went to Tyler. JMO

[?noanswer]

Who were the residents of 116 Tyler at that time? IMO

IIRC it was Hank, Jr. JMO

[4Kids]

IIRC it was Hank, Jr. JMO

Sorry...noanswer...I guess my question should have been...what were Cousin Joe's living arrangements? He was with Timmy....right?

IMO

[?noanswer]

Sorry...noanswer...I guess my question should have been...what were Cousin Joe's living arrangements? He was with Timmy....right?

IMO

I really don't remember. Most of the info about him came from MC, so even if I remembered, I don't know how accurate it would be. JMO

[datacop]

The residents of Tyler, data. Wonder who was there? IMO

Got it. Sorry, I'm a little on the slow side this morning.

If it was anything like what appears to be "norm", that place was crowded.

[?noanswer]

That's the way I remember it BassMan. LE was at the Tyler street address when the call came in. :shrug:

MOO


But that transcript I posted above does not support what you remember. The LE says he is returning to Green. JMO

[?noanswer]

Yeah, she is a beaut! ;)

Ok, tell me if this is the list of "10" Codes that PCSO uses...if so, I am going to the attic, find my decoder ring and "do me some ciphering".

http://www.putnamcountytn.gov/ems/forms/10%20codes.pdf


It says it is for EM "emergency?" JMO

[datacop]

Yeah, she is a beaut! ;)

Ok, tell me if this is the list of "10" Codes that PCSO uses...if so, I am going to the attic, find my decoder ring and "do me some ciphering".

http://www.putnamcountytn.gov/ems/forms/10%20codes.pdf (http://www.putnamcountytn.gov/ems/forms/10%20codes.pdf)

That's not the one being reported from some that listen to the Putnam County scanners 24/7 -- well, it seems that way.

eta Let me check that link and see if I can get it for you... might be by pm.

[W_D_1]

I can't remember if he is baby daddy, but if so didn't he get custody? Wonder where the baby is now. JMO



Jerome isn't Nay Nay's baby's daddy. I can't remember the guy's name but let me look for it.


ETA baby daddy is Donnie Spell.

[?noanswer]

Respectfully, I interpret differently.

The transcript says "back to Green" not "going back to Green". Which after the "Tyler Street convo", could simply mean, back to the details of the original Green street call, IMO.

However, that same officer also said, "I'm available".........available to what? Take a call at Green that you have already been on? Why would you be available to take a call you are already on? Doesn't make sense.

This officer says, "I'm available at 116 Tyler" Even another officer asks, "What is going on at 116?"

If no one had been to Green, then how would they know about 116 Tyler, yet?

Something else was going on around there, me thinks.

****As for the alibi comment, what good is an alibi for the hours after someone is missing? Wouldn't you need one for the time they went missing?

He also says this later.

MLES: Are you back at the uh, house?
FLE2: 10:4.
MLES: Is that 10:4 or 10:54?
FLE2: 10:4. I’m back on Green Lane.

I stand by my interpretation. I think he had already been on Green before he went to Tyler.

JMO

[HouseOfClark]

Yep.
Tommy "checking" on Misty, yelling females, cars speeding off and in the end a child is gone...

Edited to ask: I wonder if the van was reported missing and that's why the police were there at Tommy's??

MOO

That's what I thought at first.

Then we learned that the van was at Timmy's, not Tommy's.

[HouseOfClark]

He also says this later.

MLES: Are you back at the uh, house?
FLE2: 10:4.
MLES: Is that 10:4 or 10:54?
FLE2: 10:4. I’m back on Green Lane.

I stand by my interpretation. I think he had already been on Green before he went to Tyler.

JMO

But this is the same transmission where the officers are just being advised of Haleigh missing.

Why would they "go back" to somewhere they hadn't even been aware they needed to be?

[W_D_1]

IMO if the police had been at the Tyler St home on a 911 call right before Misty's 911 call it would have come out long ago. We've seen the police reports for the fight, road rage and rat incidents so we'd have seen one for something going on on Tyler St. The media would have been all over the police being at Tommy's house right before being notified Haleigh was missing.

[?noanswer]

But this is the same transmission where the officers are just being advised of Haleigh missing.

Why would they "go back" to somewhere they hadn't even been aware they needed to be?

If one looks at who is saying who, the person who says he is going back to green says this
"FLE2: 10:08 from this location, going 97, back to Green.
OP: 10:4. Verifying the last time she was seen ____address.
FLE2: She was seen within her residence, about 1 to 1 1/2 hours ago.."

That info had not mentioned before in the transcript. Where/when did FLE2 learn this?


JMO

[?noanswer]

This is what bothers me, NA.........

MLES: Stay at the residence, maintain that point of access, reference for (or to) K-9’s and do another thorough search from inside the house. (this is 6 minutes into the calls)MLE3: That’s 10:4.
MLES: 1120 to 1256.
FLE2: Yes, Sgt.
MLES: Are you back at the uh, house?
FLE2: 10:4.
MLES: Is that 10:4 or 10:54?
FLE2: 10:4. I’m back on Green Lane.


6 minutes into the calls for a reported missing child and this officer has already been to Green, then to 116 Tyler, and back to Green?

HUH?

How did you arrive at the 6 minutes? JMO

[4Kids]

Respectfully, I interpret differently.

The transcript says "back to Green" not "going back to Green". Which after the "Tyler Street convo", could simply mean, back to the details of the original Green street call, IMO.

However, that same officer also said, "I'm available".........available to what? Take a call at Green that you have already been on? Why would you be available to take a call you are already on? Doesn't make sense.

This officer says, "I'm available at 116 Tyler" Even another officer asks, "What is going on at 116?"

If no one had been to Green, then how would they know about 116 Tyler, yet?

Something else was going on around there, me thinks.

****As for the alibi comment, what good is an alibi for the hours after someone is missing? Wouldn't you need one for the time they went missing?

My point regarding the alibi soley depends on WHY LE was at Tyler. What did the residents say? Did they put themselves at the home at the time frame Haleigh went missing....ie " we heard a noise a 10:00 while we were sleeping. We woke at 12 to find a window open" That was my line of thinking. Could be way off. However, something is rotten in Putnam. Tommy at the scene. Timmy getting called. Van, trucks, scratches and cousins. IMO

[W_D_1]

How did you arrive at the 6 minutes? JMO

It says it on the transcript. Whoever transcribed it added that in ( )

[?noanswer]

It says it on the transcript. Whoever transcribed it added that in ( )



It also says "calls". What calls are they referring to? Nowhere in this transcript do I see any times mentioned. JMO

[W_D_1]

It also says "calls". What calls are they referring to? Nowhere in this transcript do I see any times mentioned. JMO


Ron hung up on the first call and either called back or they called him back. I've never been clear on how the second call came about.

[?noanswer]

I would love to not only know where FLE2 heard this information, but from whom.

It is either incorrect information or someone isn't telling us the last time Haleigh was truly seen alive. Why would they not being doing that?

Perhaps FLE2 picked up that info at 116 Tyler Street?

What does "going 97" mean?

BBM I don't know. I think FLE2 had already been aware of the missing person report and also been to Green St. I think that is how he heard this info. JMO

[?noanswer]

Ron hung up on the first call and either called back or they called him back. I've never been clear on how the second call came about.

So they are referring to RC/MC 911 calls, not the call where all this info is taking place. JMO

[W_D_1]

I would love to not only know where FLE2 heard this information, but from whom.

It is either incorrect information or someone isn't telling us the last time Haleigh was truly seen alive. Why would they not being doing that?

Perhaps FLE2 picked up that info at 116 Tyler Street?

What does "going 97" mean?



Never mind...wrong codes

[?noanswer]

I would assume they meant the radio transmission calls which were transcripted?

I don't see any times either.

I don't see a great deal of things that I would think you would see.

If there were times for the transmissions, it might answer this question. Could the 6 mins. be referring to the 911 calls? It also says "do another thorough search from inside the house." JMO

[4Kids]

I would assume they meant the radio transmission calls which were transcripted?

I don't see any times either.

I don't see a great deal of things that I would think you would see.

I agree. Who transcribed this? IMO

[tia marie]

From the recap of the transmission I posted above, the officer had already been at Green. Maybe he went to see if Haleigh was at Tyler after talking to RC/MC. JMO

Question being is the 911 call from Misty was later than the call at Tyler. How would they be able to do that? That's the mystery.

[?noanswer]

Doesn't FLE mean female LE? I know, it probably doesn't matter, but I am trying to decipher this transcript down to the rough English I have grown to know and love.

So, you believe that FLE2 went to Green and then was sent to Tyler? Then why is someone asking what is going on at Tyler and all of a sudden FLE2 is available to go to Green?

Even more important, why was FLE2 at Tyler only 6 minutes into the calls?

There seems to be something missing from these transcripts, to me.

I thought it meant Florida Law Enforcement! Jmo

[?noanswer]

Question being is the 911 call from Misty was later than the call at Tyler. How would they be able to do that? That's the mystery.

Where do you find the information as to the time LE was at Tyler? JMO

[?noanswer]

My interpretation again:

I believe the transcriptionist was referring to to the radio transmitted calls they were transcribing. It was a note added by the transcriptionist, to the document, as it was enclosed in parentheses.

Therefore, I assume they are referencing the calls which they are transcribing.

JMO

But is she transcribing "calls" or radio transmissions?

JMO

[W_D_1]

Ok just did some googling. The radio transmissions were transcribed by a person on a message board, it wasn't professionally transcribed so there could be some errors on it. Second, another person posted a list of codes with no link. If it's accurate then 97 does mean arrived on scene. The link I posted then deleted was for EMS but it also said 97 was arrived on scene. I found this site that also lists it as arrived on scene but it doesn't specify any state.

http://www.radiolabs.com/police-codes.html

[?noanswer]

From the original transcript link:

This is the transcription of the police radio transmission:

OP=dispatch. MLE=male LE. FLE=female LE. Single digit numbers behind MLE or FLE correspond to the different deputies responding to call. S = Sgt. Blanks are where words were garbled. Numbers beginning with 12 are individual officers’ ID numbers, those beginning with 11 denote rank of Sgt. When OP or anyone else calls out an 11 or 12 number that officer responds with his/her number – usually.


According to the paper, dispatch provided these to them. So, this is a transcription from LE dispatch?

I saw that later. If we only knew the time all this was taking place. The 911 calls were around 3:00 AM. I saw a number that I thought must have been the time, but now I think it must have been something else. JMO

[W_D_1]

01-18-2010, 01:21 PM
Leesa
Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 7

From Marie's facebook....Marie Johns Griffis Hey there is going to be a dance program, Beaking Down the Walls, at Destiny People Worship Center tonight @ 7pm, the last part of program will be dedicated to HaLeigh, everyone that would like to join us please come out.


I brought this over from the closed thread. Lynn posted a link on the links thread. The program was held but Crystal and Marie didn't go. Pictures of Haleigh were shown on a screen behind the girls doing the dance routines and they held up a banner with her picture that asked if anyone had seen Haleigh.

[tia marie]

Ok just did some googling. The radio transmissions were transcribed by a person on a message board, it wasn't professionally transcribed so there could be some errors on it. Second, another person posted a list of codes with no link. If it's accurate then 97 does mean arrived on scene. The link I posted then deleted was for EMS but it also said 97 was arrived on scene. I found this site that also lists it as arrived on scene but it doesn't specify any state.

http://www.radiolabs.com/police-codes.html

According to my info, code 97 is a security, building check.

[W_D_1]

According to my info, code 97 is a security, building check.



All of the sites I've read today including one listing Florida codes list it as arrived on scene.

[HouseOfClark]

Yeah, she is a beaut! ;)

Ok, tell me if this is the list of "10" Codes that PCSO uses...if so, I am going to the attic, find my decoder ring and "do me some ciphering".

http://www.putnamcountytn.gov/ems/forms/10%20codes.pdf

Just be sure to drink your Ovaltine!

Okay, is this radio transmission any more settled than when I was here last?

[HouseOfClark]

You will get no disagreement on that from me!

Well, Tommy put himself at Haliegh's MH at 10 pm, for whatever reason.

Could 2 a.m. really have been a slip?
Where the devil did 2 a.m. come from and why?
Did LE ever give us a definite "last time seen" or did that just come from the "Misty Chronicles"?

2 a.m. would have been about an hour and a half earlier than the time the 911 call was made - approximately, not exactly.

Misty says in the 911 call that she last saw Haleigh at 10:00 p.m. when she (Misty) went to bed and Haleigh was asleep. Supposedly this is when she got the blanket out of the dryer and covered Haleigh.

2 - 2:30 a.m. (or thereabouts) is when the loud talking, screaming, yelling, loud car (take your pick) was allegedly heard by a neighbor.

[HouseOfClark]

Those dang vans trip me up every time. How many are there anyway?

Thanks. :smile:

Timmy lived how far from Green Lane? Any idea An hour? A block? My brain is mush today.

We know from LE Misty made calls to Timmy before 911 was called.

Wish we knew how much earlier.

MOO

Timmy lived in Crescent City. Not sure of the distance, but it's not walking distance that's for sure. Seems like I recall about 12-15 miles away.

Yeah, I want to see Misty's phone records more than ever!

[W_D_1]

Those dang vans trip me up every time. How many are there anyway?

Thanks. :smile:

Timmy lived how far from Green Lane? Any idea An hour? A block? My brain is mush today.

We know from LE Misty made calls to Timmy before 911 was called.

Wish we knew how much earlier.

MOO


Mapquest shows it as 13.14 miles and 18 minutes away.

[HouseOfClark]

But is she transcribing "calls" or radio transmissions?

JMO

Way back in the day....didn't PCSO release the DVD/CD of the radio transmissions for that night? IIRC, they were releasing them to the media. Could this be where TJ got the transmissions and had them transcribed so he could post them?

Also, I vaguely remember it being discussed that right after dispatch asks what's going on at 116 Tyler, the officer moves to a private channel and we never heard what was said.

JMO (and going from memory).

[datacop]

Way back in the day....didn't PCSO release the DVD/CD of the radio transmissions for that night? IIRC, they were releasing them to the media. Could this be where TJ got the transmissions and had them transcribed so he could post them?

Also, I vaguely remember it being discussed that right after dispatch asks what's going on at 116 Tyler, the officer moves to a private channel and we never heard what was said.

JMO (and going from memory).


Wasn't there something from LE about an earlier call or call time? I'm thinking this was 2-3 months ago, the same time he let it slip that TN was at the mh earlier that night.

[Lynn Gweeny]

AUDIO: Radio calls in Haleigh search released (11:46)

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/radio_calls_haleigh_cummings_021909


Codes List: Putnam County Law Enforcement Codes

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6159.msg952079#msg952079

[HouseOfClark]

.....and Timmy was who Misty had reportedly phoned.

Ok, as far as the radio calls, I will be devil's advocate: (like the horns?)

Let's say this officer had been to Green first.

He made the initial call, spoke with a distraught Ron and Misty, gathered info, searched the MH, determined the need for a trip to Tyler, made the trip to Tyler, searched that home, spoke with residents there, became available and was back at Green all in 6 minutes?

If that is a true scenario, then this case will be solved because Superman has nothing on PCSO....... ;)

But who directed him/her to Tyler Street?

Ron? Misty?

Why would Tyler Street be the first place police would be directed to in search of a missing Haleigh?

JMO

[HouseOfClark]

So, close enough to answer a cry from Misty... in one of those vans snaking through this mess.
Thanks.

But according to Chelsea, "they" learned about Haleigh missing when Misty called them around 4 a.m. That's when she said she didn't want to wake Timmy because "they" had a late night. Then two hours later at 6 she decides that it's serious and they need to get up.

So, what did the "late night" involve and who did it involve?

[HouseOfClark]

AUDIO: Radio calls in Haleigh search released (11:46)

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/radio_calls_haleigh_cummings_021909


Codes List: Putnam County Law Enforcement Codes

(Original link invalid but content copied at link below)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6159.msg952079#msg952079

Thank you!

[tia marie]

Universal Scanner Codes says 97 is a security. building check.

http://www.topbits.com/police-scanner-codes.html

[HouseOfClark]

After listening to the transmission again, I'm convinced officers were already at Tyler Street before being called to go to Green.

JMO

[?noanswer]

AUDIO: Radio calls in Haleigh search released (11:46)

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/radio_calls_haleigh_cummings_021909


Codes List: Putnam County Law Enforcement Codes

(Original link invalid but content copied at link below)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6159.msg952079#msg952079

Using those codes "OP: It’s 51=follow up investigation" So the Tyler St. was a follow up investigation? JMO

[?noanswer]

After listening to the transmission again, I'm convinced officers were already at Tyler Street before being called to go to Green.

JMO


But they had already put a lot of things into place. Also told them to do a follow up search of the house. JMO

[HouseOfClark]

Using those codes "OP: It’s 51=follow up investigation" So the Tyler St. was a follow up investigation? JMO

Yeah, but from when? And what?

A fight? Tommy or Lindsay called regarding the missing Misty at 10 p.m.?

[tia marie]

After listening to the transmission again, I'm convinced officers were already at Tyler Street before being called to go to Green.

JMO

So am I. I've been on that thought since day one. Now why would Tyler St. be the first stop, one and a half hours before Misty's 911 call? Makes me wonder if Misty was there on Tyler and not at Green till she knew what time Ron would arrive and better hightail it over there before he came home. I can see Misty running to her family for help before she had to tell Ron that Haleigh was missing.

moo

[HouseOfClark]

But they had already put a lot of things into place. Also told them to do a follow up search of the house. JMO

I think that was in reference to following up on Ron and Misty's initial search of the house.

JMO though.

Why would they be directed to Tyler Street to even search after having searched Green Lane and then be directed back to Green to search again? This is all in the span of not very many minutes.

Again, JMO.

[?noanswer]

Yeah, but from when? And what?

A fight? Tommy or Lindsay called regarding the missing Misty at 10 p.m.?

Follow up on Haleigh missing? Maybe when they were at Green, RC/MC told them about Hank's house and LE went to check. There really isn't enough info in this transcription/video to make an estimated guess as to what was going on. If there was only a time, it would provide a helpful clue. But just going on what little info is there, I think they were at Hank, Jr. after they were at Green.

I can't fit most of the codes in LG's link to the codes in the transcription. JMO

[HouseOfClark]

So am I. I've been on that thought since day one. Now why would Tyler St. be the first stop, one and a half hours before Misty's 911 call? Makes me wonder if Misty was there on Tyler and not at Green till she knew what time Ron would arrive and better hightail it over there before he came home. I can see Misty running to her family for help before she had to tell Ron that Haleigh was missing.

moo

Or she stopped by Tyler on the way home to Green because she had some 'splainin to do to Tommy and Lindsay about why she wasn't at the house at 10 p.m. when Tommy went over there?

[?noanswer]

I think that was in reference to following up on Ron and Misty's initial search of the house.

JMO though.

Why would they be directed to Tyler Street to even search after having searched Green Lane and then be directed back to Green to search again? This is all in the span of not very many minutes.

Again, JMO.

Did they search Tyler? Did they even talk to anyone at Tyler? There is nothing to indicate that they did either. JMO

[tia marie]

Using those codes "OP: It’s 51=follow up investigation" So the Tyler St. was a follow up investigation? JMO

I'll stick with the Universal code rather than one from SM.

http://www.topbits.com/police-scanner-codes.html

[tia marie]

Did they search Tyler? Did they even talk to anyone at Tyler? There is nothing to indicate that they did either. JMO

I would hope they did and were not remiss in carrying out their duties.

[?noanswer]

I'll stick with the Universal code rather than one from SM.

http://www.topbits.com/police-scanner-codes.html

IIRC, way back when, it was said that Putnam Co. had their own code. I don't know if that is true or not. JMO

[HouseOfClark]

Follow up on Haleigh missing? Maybe when they were at Green, RC/MC told them about Hank's house and LE went to check. There really isn't enough info in this transcription/video to make an estimated guess as to what was going on. If there was only a time, it would provide a helpful clue. But just going on what little info is there, I think they were at Hank, Jr. after they were at Green.

I can't fit most of the codes in LG's link to the codes in the transcription. JMO

So which one was thinking coherently enough at Green to send police over to Tyler Street (and only Tyler Street) to check for Haleigh?

Why was Tyler Street the first place anybody thought to look?

[?noanswer]

So which one was thinking coherently enough at Green to send police over to Tyler Street (and only Tyler Street) to check for Haleigh?

Why was Tyler Street the first place anybody thought to look?

As I said earlier, there is not enough information to answer those questions. Anything I said would be a guess/opinion. JMO

[HouseOfClark]

Did they search Tyler? Did they even talk to anyone at Tyler? There is nothing to indicate that they did either. JMO

Then why go over there?

If they went after going to Green?

[W_D_1]

Universal Scanner Codes says 97 is a security. building check.

http://www.topbits.com/police-scanner-codes.html



STATE OF FLORIDA TEN CODES:
10-1 Receiving Poorly 10-51 Enroute
10-2 Receiving Well 10-52 Est. Time Of Arrival
10-3 Stop Transmitting 10-53 Coming By Office
10-4 Acknowledgement Rec'd. 10-54 Negative
10-5 Relay To 10-55 Car Calling To Car
10-6 Busy 10-56 Meet......At.....
10-7 Out Of Service-At 10-57 At Pistol Range
10-8 In Service 10-58 At Road patrol Office
10-9 Repeat-Conditions Bad 10-59 Send Teletype/Comp. mag.
10-10 Out Of Service 10-60 Assist To Motorist
10-11 Dispatching Rapidly 10-61 Need R.P. SGI On Scene
10-12 Visitors Present 10-62 Need R.P. LT. On Scene
10-13 Weather/Road Cond. 10-63 Need Bomb Squad (scene)
10-14 Convoy Or Escort 10-64 Need Crime Lab (scene)
10-15 Prisoner In Custody 10-65 Can You Copy
10-16 Pick Up Prisoner At 10-66 Cancel
10-17 Conduct Investigation 10-67 Serving Civil Process
10-18 Complete ASGD Quick 10-68 Legal Advice/Advisor
10-19 Return To Station 10-69 Send Narc. Agent
10-20 Your Location 10-70 Send Wrecker
10-21 Call Station (phone) 10-71 Send Ambulance
10-22 Disregard 10-72 Send Helicopter
10-23 Standby 10-73 Open Gate S.O.
10-24 Trouble-Send Help 10-74 Re-Call
10-25 In Contact With 10-88 Where Can Be Reached
10-26 Message Received 10-89 On Page Service
10-27 Complete Record OK 10-90 Scramble (code ABCD)
10-28 Check Registration 10-91 Detective And Vice Freq.
10-29 Stolen And/Or Wanted 10-92 Police Comm. Freq.
10-30 Against Rules/Reg. 10-93 Detective Needed
10-31 In Pursuit 10-94 Send Back-Up Car
10-32 Is D.O. Opr. Available 10-95 Computer Check
10-33 Emergency Traffic 10-96 Radio-Telephone Patch
10-34 Jail Break/Trbl. Station 10-97 Arrived At Scene
10-35 Confidential Info. 10-98 Completed Assignment
10-36 Correct Time 10-99 Unable Receive Signal
10-37 Operator On Duty 10-100 Alert-Remain Contact With
10-38 Block Road (s) At Station By Phone
10-39 Message Delivered 10-101 Log On Digital
10-40 Out For Meal 10-102 Log Off Digital
10-41 In Possession Of 10-103 Ack. Digital Mag. Screen
10-42 Out Of Service-Home 10-104 Computer System Down
10-43 Any Traffic For 10-105 Send Jail Wagon
10-44 Pick Up Papers At 10-106 Medical Asst, Needed
10-45 Call____By Phone
10-46 Urgent
10-47 Blood Run
10-48 End/Did You Receive Code No 1-Normal Run
10-49 Serving Warr. Capais Code No 2-Blue Light Only
10-50 Stop Veh. (tag 10-20) Code No 3-Lights & Siren Auth.

http://www.bearcat1.com/radiofl.htm

[W_D_1]

Wasn't there something from LE about an earlier call or call time? I'm thinking this was 2-3 months ago, the same time he let it slip that TN was at the mh earlier that night.


Who let something slip about Teresa being there earlier? I'd love to see a credible link for that.

[?noanswer]

Then why go over there?

If they went after going to Green?

Maybe they didn't go over there. Maybe FLE2 was just driving by when she started talking on the radio. If they did go over there either before or after Green, they never said why. JMO

[4Kids]

So am I. I've been on that thought since day one. Now why would Tyler St. be the first stop, one and a half hours before Misty's 911 call? Makes me wonder if Misty was there on Tyler and not at Green till she knew what time Ron would arrive and better hightail it over there before he came home. I can see Misty running to her family for help before she had to tell Ron that Haleigh was missing.

moo

Tia...I am right there with you. Have been for a long time. The Croslins know.

Also...didn't Ron work an hour OT that night? Therefore, he should have arrived home 2ish? Perhaps that is why all the scurry of reported activity occurred around the 2ish hour? Misty gets home right before Ron is expected to find this child missing. I am still convinced that Misty was not home....the children were...and someone who was not so nice and familiar with this family took advantage of the situation. IMO

The Tyler St. thing has me baffled. So does the van...with scratches and appearing to be moved. IMO

[W_D_1]

Tia...I am right there with you. Have been for a long time. The Croslins know.

Also...didn't Ron work an hour OT that night? Therefore, he should have arrived home 2ish? Perhaps that is why all the scurry of reported activity occurred around the 2ish hour? Misty gets home right before Ron is expected to find this child missing. I am still convinced that Misty was not home....the children were...and someone who was not so nice and familiar with this family took advantage of the situation. IMO

The Tyler St. thing has me baffled. So does the van...with scratches and appearing to be moved. IMO

Just one of three theories I have....


Misty does something to Haleigh that results in her death, panics and calls Timmy. He comes over in the van, possibly with Cousin Joe and they load her in the van and dispose of her in a remote area that results in the scratch on the van and the brush in the bumper. He drops Misty off and goes home but doesn't park the van exactly the way Chelsea did.

Tommy, not knowing what happened, goes over to check on her after Ron calls asking if she's there and finds the house looking like no one is home and no answer to his knock. IIRC someone said Tommy waited around so maybe Timmy/Misty/Cousin Joe showed up while he was waiting and filled him in on what happened and that's why he withheld that he went to the house for so long.

[HouseOfClark]

Tia...I am right there with you. Have been for a long time. The Croslins know.

Also...didn't Ron work an hour OT that night? Therefore, he should have arrived home 2ish? Perhaps that is why all the scurry of reported activity occurred around the 2ish hour? Misty gets home right before Ron is expected to find this child missing. I am still convinced that Misty was not home....the children were...and someone who was not so nice and familiar with this family took advantage of the situation. IMO

The Tyler St. thing has me baffled. So does the van...with scratches and appearing to be moved. IMO

According to Ron's attorney, he worked 3 hours over that night.

[?noanswer]

Looks like Hank, Jr. got his court appearance date extended.
http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php (http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php)

CROSLIN, HANK T JR
Alias
Date # Docket Description
2009-09-14 1 COMPLAINT - PCSO DET. KEN TAYLOR (8/19/09)
2009-09-14 1 BOOKING NUMBER: N/A
2009-09-14 1 GRAND THEFT FIRARM
2009-09-14 2 WARRANT ISSUED - BOND SET AT $50,004.00 TJL
2009-09-16 3 ARREST REPORT: GRAND THEFT (9/15/2009)
2009-09-16 4 DEFENDANT PRESENT FOR FIRST APPEARANCE HRG
2009-09-16 4 ADJ INS P D APPOINTED FOR FIRST APPEARANCE ONLY
2009-09-16 4 SUFFICIENT PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND
2009-09-16 4 $50,000.00 SECURED BOND SET
2009-09-16 5 AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY
2009-09-16 6 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER FOR 1ST APP HEARING
2009-09-16 7 WARRANT RETURNED EXECUTED
2009-09-21 8 LETTER TO JUDGE HEDSTORM FROM LINDSY CROSLIN
2009-09-24 9 STIPULATION AND ORDER ON BOND
2009-09-25 10 $5004.00 (CITY BEST BAIL BOND) #2220906 (09/24/09)
2009-09-25 10 AMERICAN BANKERS INSURANCE COMPANY OF FLORIDA
2009-10-22 11 INFORMATION (GRAND THEFT (FIREARM)
2009-10-22 12 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (12/02/2009)
2009-10-22 13 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (12/02/2009)
2009-10-30 14 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE, PLEA OF NOT GUILTY, AND
2009-10-30 14 APPLICATION TO THE CLERK FOR A COPY OF THE
2009-10-30 14 INDICTMENT OR INFORMATION AND THE ENDORSEMENTS
2009-10-30 14 THEREON
2009-10-30 15 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (12/02/2009)
2009-11-06 16 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (12/03/2009)
2009-11-06 17 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (12/03/2009)
2009-11-06 18 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (12/03/2009)
2009-12-03 19 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY JAMES WERTER
2009-12-03 19 ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE
2009-12-03 19 CONTINUED TO 01/14/2010
2009-12-03 20 NOTICE OF INTENT TO PARTICIPATE IN DISCOVERY
2009-12-08 21 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (01/14/2010)
2009-12-08 22 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (01/14/2010)
2010-01-13 23 SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY / WITNESS LIST
2010-01-13 24 DEMAND FOR DISCOVERY
Not going to prosecute for battery on SR.
CROSLIN, HANK T JR
Alias
Date # Docket Description
2009-11-20 1 ARREST REPORT - PCSO/ LEDBETTER (ARREST 11-19-09)
2009-11-20 1 BOOKING NUMBER: 09-04807
2009-11-20 1 BATTERY DVR/ HANK CROSLIN SR
2009-11-20 2 DEFENDANT PRESENT FOR FIRST APPEARANCE HRG 11-20-09
2009-11-20 2 ADJ INS P D APPOINTED AT FIRST APPEARANCE HEARING
2009-11-20 2 SUFFICIENT PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND
2009-11-20 2 $504.00 SECURED BOND SET
2009-11-20 2 NO VIOLENT CONTACT WITH HANK CROSLIN SR
2009-11-23 3 $504.00 A-1 24HR CITY BEST BAIL BONDS#2236038 11-20-09
2009-12-03 4 INFORMATION - DOMESTIC BATTERY
2009-12-03 5 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (01-14-2010)
2009-12-03 6 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (01-14-2010)
2010-01-14 7 ARR MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, WAIVING RIGHT TO COUNSEL
2010-01-14 7 ARR ENT PLEA OF NOT GUILTY - PRE-TRIAL SET 03/03/10
2010-01-14 8 WAIVER OF COUNSEL
2010-01-14 9 PRE-TRIAL ORDER (03-03-2010)
2010-01-15 10 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NOLLE PROSEQUI (Not going to prosecute) by me

So far no info on mama Lisa’s check charges.

Jmo

[HouseOfClark]

Just one of three theories I have....


Misty does something to Haleigh that results in her death, panics and calls Timmy. He comes over in the van, possibly with Cousin Joe and they load her in the van and dispose of her in a remote area that results in the scratch on the van and the brush in the bumper. He drops Misty off and goes home but doesn't park the van exactly the way Chelsea did.

Tommy, not knowing what happened, goes over to check on her after Ron calls asking if she's there and finds the house looking like no one is home and no answer to his knock. IIRC someone said Tommy waited around so maybe Timmy/Misty/Cousin Joe showed up while he was waiting and filled him in on what happened and that's why he withheld that he went to the house for so long.

That would explain Chelsea's "late night" comment about why she didn't want to wake Timmy.

Depending on what time he got back to his house.

(FWIW, I don't think Tommy withheld that information. I think that is one of the things Misty was confronted with when she walked out of that interview, claiming the officer was rude and (I think) called her a liar. JMO though).

[W_D_1]

Looks like Hank, Jr. got his court appearance date extended.
http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php (http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php)

CROSLIN, HANK T JR
Alias
Date # Docket Description
2009-09-14 1 COMPLAINT - PCSO DET. KEN TAYLOR (8/19/09)
2009-09-14 1 BOOKING NUMBER: N/A
2009-09-14 1 GRAND THEFT FIRARM
2009-09-14 2 WARRANT ISSUED - BOND SET AT $50,004.00 TJL
2009-09-16 3 ARREST REPORT: GRAND THEFT (9/15/2009)
2009-09-16 4 DEFENDANT PRESENT FOR FIRST APPEARANCE HRG
2009-09-16 4 ADJ INS P D APPOINTED FOR FIRST APPEARANCE ONLY
2009-09-16 4 SUFFICIENT PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND
2009-09-16 4 $50,000.00 SECURED BOND SET
2009-09-16 5 AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY
2009-09-16 6 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER FOR 1ST APP HEARING
2009-09-16 7 WARRANT RETURNED EXECUTED
2009-09-21 8 LETTER TO JUDGE HEDSTORM FROM LINDSY CROSLIN
2009-09-24 9 STIPULATION AND ORDER ON BOND
2009-09-25 10 $5004.00 (CITY BEST BAIL BOND) #2220906 (09/24/09)
2009-09-25 10 AMERICAN BANKERS INSURANCE COMPANY OF FLORIDA
2009-10-22 11 INFORMATION (GRAND THEFT (FIREARM)
2009-10-22 12 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (12/02/2009)
2009-10-22 13 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (12/02/2009)
2009-10-30 14 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE, PLEA OF NOT GUILTY, AND
2009-10-30 14 APPLICATION TO THE CLERK FOR A COPY OF THE
2009-10-30 14 INDICTMENT OR INFORMATION AND THE ENDORSEMENTS
2009-10-30 14 THEREON
2009-10-30 15 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (12/02/2009)
2009-11-06 16 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (12/03/2009)
2009-11-06 17 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (12/03/2009)
2009-11-06 18 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (12/03/2009)
2009-12-03 19 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY JAMES WERTER
2009-12-03 19 ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE
2009-12-03 19 CONTINUED TO 01/14/2010
2009-12-03 20 NOTICE OF INTENT TO PARTICIPATE IN DISCOVERY
2009-12-08 21 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (01/14/2010)
2009-12-08 22 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (01/14/2010)
2010-01-13 23 SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY / WITNESS LIST
2010-01-13 24 DEMAND FOR DISCOVERY
Not going to prosecute for battery on SR.
CROSLIN, HANK T JR
Alias
Date # Docket Description
2009-11-20 1 ARREST REPORT - PCSO/ LEDBETTER (ARREST 11-19-09)
2009-11-20 1 BOOKING NUMBER: 09-04807
2009-11-20 1 BATTERY DVR/ HANK CROSLIN SR
2009-11-20 2 DEFENDANT PRESENT FOR FIRST APPEARANCE HRG 11-20-09
2009-11-20 2 ADJ INS P D APPOINTED AT FIRST APPEARANCE HEARING
2009-11-20 2 SUFFICIENT PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND
2009-11-20 2 $504.00 SECURED BOND SET
2009-11-20 2 NO VIOLENT CONTACT WITH HANK CROSLIN SR
2009-11-23 3 $504.00 A-1 24HR CITY BEST BAIL BONDS#2236038 11-20-09
2009-12-03 4 INFORMATION - DOMESTIC BATTERY
2009-12-03 5 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (01-14-2010)
2009-12-03 6 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (01-14-2010)
2010-01-14 7 ARR MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, WAIVING RIGHT TO COUNSEL
2010-01-14 7 ARR ENT PLEA OF NOT GUILTY - PRE-TRIAL SET 03/03/10
2010-01-14 8 WAIVER OF COUNSEL
2010-01-14 9 PRE-TRIAL ORDER (03-03-2010)
2010-01-15 10 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NOLLE PROSEQUI (Not going to prosecute) by me

So far no info on mama Lisa’s check charges.

Jmo

Dropped, not extended. Nolle Prosequi means the DA won't try the case for whatever reason.

[?noanswer]

Dropped, not extended. Nolle Prosequi means the DA won't try the case for whatever reason.

The gun charge was extended, battery on dad won't be tried. JMO

[W_D_1]

That would explain Chelsea's "late night" comment about why she didn't want to wake Timmy.

Depending on what time he got back to his house.

(FWIW, I don't think Tommy withheld that information. I think that is one of the things Misty was confronted with when she walked out of that interview, claiming the officer was rude and (I think) called her a liar. JMO though).


An officer, can't remember which but it might have been Schauland, was intervewed and said it was the first time Tommy said he was at the house.

[W_D_1]

The check charge was extended, battery on dad won't be tried. JMO



Sorry.....missed where the 2 cases were listed together. I just saw the gun charge at the top.

[?noanswer]

Sorry.....missed where the 2 cases were listed together. I just saw the gun charge at the top.

I figured that was what happened. I did copies & Pastes and when IS did their thing, they ran together. JMO

[W_D_1]

I figured that was what happened. I did copies & Pastes and when IS did their thing, they ran together. JMO


Yeah that happened when I copied/pasted the codes. They were in 2 seperate columns but when I hit submit they mixed together.

[tia marie]

IIRC, way back when, it was said that Putnam Co. had their own code. I don't know if that is true or not. JMO

You mean this?

http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=369

[tia marie]

STATE OF FLORIDA TEN CODES:
10-1 Receiving Poorly 10-51 Enroute
10-2 Receiving Well 10-52 Est. Time Of Arrival
10-3 Stop Transmitting 10-53 Coming By Office
10-4 Acknowledgement Rec'd. 10-54 Negative
10-5 Relay To 10-55 Car Calling To Car
10-6 Busy 10-56 Meet......At.....
10-7 Out Of Service-At 10-57 At Pistol Range
10-8 In Service 10-58 At Road patrol Office
10-9 Repeat-Conditions Bad 10-59 Send Teletype/Comp. mag.
10-10 Out Of Service 10-60 Assist To Motorist
10-11 Dispatching Rapidly 10-61 Need R.P. SGI On Scene
10-12 Visitors Present 10-62 Need R.P. LT. On Scene
10-13 Weather/Road Cond. 10-63 Need Bomb Squad (scene)
10-14 Convoy Or Escort 10-64 Need Crime Lab (scene)
10-15 Prisoner In Custody 10-65 Can You Copy
10-16 Pick Up Prisoner At 10-66 Cancel
10-17 Conduct Investigation 10-67 Serving Civil Process
10-18 Complete ASGD Quick 10-68 Legal Advice/Advisor
10-19 Return To Station 10-69 Send Narc. Agent
10-20 Your Location 10-70 Send Wrecker
10-21 Call Station (phone) 10-71 Send Ambulance
10-22 Disregard 10-72 Send Helicopter
10-23 Standby 10-73 Open Gate S.O.
10-24 Trouble-Send Help 10-74 Re-Call
10-25 In Contact With 10-88 Where Can Be Reached
10-26 Message Received 10-89 On Page Service
10-27 Complete Record OK 10-90 Scramble (code ABCD)
10-28 Check Registration 10-91 Detective And Vice Freq.
10-29 Stolen And/Or Wanted 10-92 Police Comm. Freq.
10-30 Against Rules/Reg. 10-93 Detective Needed
10-31 In Pursuit 10-94 Send Back-Up Car
10-32 Is D.O. Opr. Available 10-95 Computer Check
10-33 Emergency Traffic 10-96 Radio-Telephone Patch
10-34 Jail Break/Trbl. Station 10-97 Arrived At Scene
10-35 Confidential Info. 10-98 Completed Assignment
10-36 Correct Time 10-99 Unable Receive Signal
10-37 Operator On Duty 10-100 Alert-Remain Contact With
10-38 Block Road (s) At Station By Phone
10-39 Message Delivered 10-101 Log On Digital
10-40 Out For Meal 10-102 Log Off Digital
10-41 In Possession Of 10-103 Ack. Digital Mag. Screen
10-42 Out Of Service-Home 10-104 Computer System Down
10-43 Any Traffic For 10-105 Send Jail Wagon
10-44 Pick Up Papers At 10-106 Medical Asst, Needed
10-45 Call____By Phone
10-46 Urgent
10-47 Blood Run
10-48 End/Did You Receive Code No 1-Normal Run
10-49 Serving Warr. Capais Code No 2-Blue Light Only
10-50 Stop Veh. (tag 10-20) Code No 3-Lights & Siren Auth.

http://www.bearcat1.com/radiofl.htm

Nope!! Putnam County Scanner Code states 97 *arrived on scene*.

http://www.topbits.com/police-scanner-codes.html

[datacop]

According to Ron's attorney, he worked 3 hours over that night.

Are you sure about that? I thought the attorney twisted around the before work and getting there early, and AH was the one about the OT. And iirc today's not the day to believe what Art said.

Bottom line was that the only one who has the complete story is the company that fired him.

[W_D_1]

Nope!! Putnam County Scanner Code states 97 *arrived on scene*.

http://www.topbits.com/police-scanner-codes.html



Yes, I know that since I bolded it in the post you quoted. You are the one claiming it means a building is secure or whatever. The link I posted is for codes in Florida. Last time I looked Putnam Co is in Florida.

[W_D_1]

Ok that was a little twilight zonish. I clicked on Lynn's post to quote it and the box was empty and now the post is gone.

Anyway...thanks Lynn. That is a second article and officer saying it was the first time Tommy said he was at the home. I don't see any reason for them to lie about it.

[Lynn Gweeny]

Ok that was a little twilight zonish. I clicked on Lynn's post to quote it and the box was empty and now the post is gone.

Anyway...thanks Lynn. That is a second article and officer saying it was the first time Tommy said he was at the home. I don't see any reason for them to lie about it.

:blush: I linked the incorrect article with the information I posted so deleted it.

Here's the correct link:

As WSKY was trying to get additional information on the weekend search at a pond for evidence of Haleigh Cummings, Captain Dominic Piscetello with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office told us that while being questioned last week Hank Croslin Jr gave up the this new information.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5264616.php

ETA ~ http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q24/lynngweenytoo/Miscellaneous/ththtwzonesmiley.gif

[W_D_1]

:blush: I linked the incorrect article with the information I posted so deleted it.

Here's the correct link:

As WSKY was trying to get additional information on the weekend search at a pond for evidence of Haleigh Cummings, Captain Dominic Piscetello with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office told us that while being questioned last week Hank Croslin Jr gave up the this new information.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5264616.php



Thanks. I was about to clean my glasses. :lol:

[4Kids]

Just one of three theories I have....


Misty does something to Haleigh that results in her death, panics and calls Timmy. He comes over in the van, possibly with Cousin Joe and they load her in the van and dispose of her in a remote area that results in the scratch on the van and the brush in the bumper. He drops Misty off and goes home but doesn't park the van exactly the way Chelsea did.

Tommy, not knowing what happened, goes over to check on her after Ron calls asking if she's there and finds the house looking like no one is home and no answer to his knock. IIRC someone said Tommy waited around so maybe Timmy/Misty/Cousin Joe showed up while he was waiting and filled him in on what happened and that's why he withheld that he went to the house for so long.

As you and I discussed last night, WD....this is my second theory. However, the lack of forensics bothers me, although it could have been nonviolent; ie overdose, drowning; But your theory is one I have considered and support. You remeber the facts of this case much better than I....do you recall any forensic finds ever being mentioned? IMO

[W_D_1]

As you and I discussed last night, WD....this is my second theory. However, the lack of forensics bothers me, although it could have been nonviolent; ie overdose, drowning; But your theory is one I have considered and support. You remeber the facts of this case much better than I....do you recall any forensic finds ever being mentioned? IMO


I'm no Lynn but I seem to recall an article saying no forensic evidence was found in the house and I know for sure one said nothing was found in the van.

[FrankieBones1]

Just one of three theories I have....


Misty does something to Haleigh that results in her death, panics and calls Timmy. He comes over in the van, possibly with Cousin Joe and they load her in the van and dispose of her in a remote area that results in the scratch on the van and the brush in the bumper. He drops Misty off and goes home but doesn't park the van exactly the way Chelsea did.

Tommy, not knowing what happened, goes over to check on her after Ron calls asking if she's there and finds the house looking like no one is home and no answer to his knock. IIRC someone said Tommy waited around so maybe Timmy/Misty/Cousin Joe showed up while he was waiting and filled him in on what happened and that's why he withheld that he went to the house for so long.
Great theory, WD. But how could Misty go all this time without breaking?

[W_D_1]

Great theory, WD. But how could Misty go all this time without breaking?


Fear of what Ron would do to her? Fear of going to prison? She may not know that with it happening when she was 17 she wouldn't face the DP so she could be scared of facing the DP.

[FrankieBones1]

Fear of what Ron would do to her? Fear of going to prison? She may not know that with it happening when she was 17 she wouldn't face the DP so she could be scared of facing the DP.

Makes sense to me. I just thought someone her age could never keep a secret that long but then again, if Timmy knew then it wasn't a secret after-all.

[HouseOfClark]

Ok that was a little twilight zonish. I clicked on Lynn's post to quote it and the box was empty and now the post is gone.

Anyway...thanks Lynn. That is a second article and officer saying it was the first time Tommy said he was at the home. I don't see any reason for them to lie about it.

True, but it also marked the first time they said Ron had called Tommy looking for Misty.

I'm not saying they lied, although police have been known to not exactly be forthcoming with information.

And this case is the best example of that.

Anyhoo, was just giving my opinion.

[W_D_1]

Makes sense to me. I just thought someone her age could never keep a secret that long but then again, if Timmy knew then it wasn't a secret after-all.



Fear is a great motivatorr. Plus if any of her family was involved they could/would be reminding her of what would happen if the truth ever came out and urging her to keep quiet.

[W_D_1]

True, but it also marked the first time they said Ron had called Tommy looking for Misty.

I'm not saying they lied, although police have been known to not exactly be forthcoming with information.

And this case is the best example of that.

Anyhoo, was just giving my opinion.


Ron calling Tommy is something they obviously would have known from the beginning. His phone records would have showed them that. They have clearly said that was new information that Tommy had just furnished and something they would have had no other way of knowing.

[cat3]

From the recap of the transmission I posted above, the officer had already been at Green. Maybe he went to see if Haleigh was at Tyler after talking to RC/MC. JMO

I also think they were at Green Ln and then went to Tyler St,and that(going to Tyler) was probably after LE talked to Misty.
I believe that the section blacked out in the incident report states that the child (Haleigh) was often walked to that area (Tyler St)
I'm guessing on what street as it was blacked out,but it seems likely it was Tyler and that is why LE went to check out that address.
Misty may have pushed them in another direction(Tyler St) right off the bat due to being scared.
IMO

[?noanswer]

I also think they were at Green Ln and then went to Tyler St,and that(going to Tyler) was probably after LE talked to Misty.
I believe that the section blacked out in the incident report states that the child (Haleigh) was often walked to that area (Tyler St)
I'm guessing on what street as it was blacked out,but it seems likely it was Tyler and that is why LE went to check out that address.
Misty may have pushed them in another direction(Tyler St) right off the bat due to being scared.
IMO

I think you and I are in the minority with this opinion. If there was any indication of what time all this happened, that would be a clue. But reading between the lines, I do think they went to Tyler after Green.

JMO

[W_D_1]

I think you and I are in the minority with this opinion. If there was any indication of what time all this happened, that would be a clue. But reading between the lines, I do think they went to Tyler after Green.

JMO


I'm with you too. If they had been to the Tyler St house before getting the call about Haleigh there would be an incident report and we would have seen it long ago.

[4Kids]

I'm with you too. If they had been to the Tyler St house before getting the call about Haleigh there would be an incident report and we would have seen it long ago.

I am leaning your way too. If this informaton was not reported and it did indeed happen, I would suggest a police coverup! :w00t:

[Acey]

I'm with you too. If they had been to the Tyler St house before getting the call about Haleigh there would be an incident report and we would have seen it long ago.



IMO there is confusion because all the officers did not arrive at one time. In reviewing the PCSO report, and if I'm reading it correctly:

R. Nelson (1271) was the 1st officer to respond, spoke with the family and did an initial search
Then Sgt. G. Lavoy, D/S C. Bridges (1256) and Lt. Odom, and Palatka PD Canine Officer Chris Sorrenson arrived.
Bridges (1256) conducted a canvas, which explains the officer going back to Green Lane
Lt. Odom contacted the chain of command at the PCSO and initialed the missing person’s unit
Canine Officer Sorrenson along with R. Nelson conducted the track search and returned to Green Lane
PCSO Detective Division had already assumed the investigation. Therefore no further action was taken by R. Nelson according to the report

[Themis]

I'm with you too. If they had been to the Tyler St house before getting the call about Haleigh there would be an incident report and we would have seen it long ago.
First, I do not live in Florida -- let alone Putnam County.

However, I am somewhat familiar with L.E. procedures in my area. Not every visit to every address requires or results in a formal incident report.

[JMO * Themis]

[CFMom]

I brought this over from the closed thread. Lynn posted a link on the links thread. The program was held but Crystal and Marie didn't go. Pictures of Haleigh were shown on a screen behind the girls doing the dance routines and they held up a banner with her picture that asked if anyone had seen Haleigh.

Weird that Crystal or Marie didnt show up for something concerning Haleigh.

[HouseOfClark]

IMO there is confusion because all the officers did not arrive at one time. In reviewing the PCSO report, and if I'm reading it correctly:

R. Nelson (1271) was the 1st officer to respond, spoke with the family and did an initial search
Then Sgt. G. Lavoy, D/S C. Bridges (1256) and Lt. Odom, and Palatka PD Canine Officer Chris Sorrenson arrived.
Bridges (1256) conducted a canvas, which explains the officer going back to Green Lane
Lt. Odom contacted the chain of command at the PCSO and initialed the missing person’s unit
Canine Officer Sorrenson along with R. Nelson conducted the track search and returned to Green Lane
PCSO Detective Division had already assumed the investigation. Therefore no further action was taken by R. Nelson according to the report


911 call is placed at 3:27

Bridges and Nelson arrived at the same time, which according to the police report is 3:40. (13 minutes after the initial 911 call) http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

According to this link, the radio transmission lasts 11 minutes and 46 seconds - http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/radio_calls_haleigh_cummings_021909

The transmission begins with the notification to officers that Haleigh is missing and ends with a "51" (which I think we all agreed yesterday was an arrival on scene). Which would coincide with Officer Nelson's and Bridges' time of arrival of 3:40.

I still maintain the opinion that at least one officer was already at Tyler Street (for whatever reason) before any of them (the officers) were notified that Haleigh was missing. JMO

[HouseOfClark]

Ron calling Tommy is something they obviously would have known from the beginning. His phone records would have showed them that. They have clearly said that was new information that Tommy had just furnished and something they would have had no other way of knowing.

But did LE knew from the beginning why Ron had called Tommy? Or was that not learned until August?

[datacop]

First, I do not live in Florida -- let alone Putnam County.

However, I am somewhat familiar with L.E. procedures in my area. Not every visit to every address requires or results in a formal incident report.

[JMO * Themis]


That makes sense.

However, whether it was a separate call OR someone went there 'cause of something said at Green, I would think that somewhere there is a notation about it.

Maybe someday we'll know.

[datacop]

I tend to agree with your opinion of the female officer at Tyler before, as well.

Why would the officer go to a private channel to explain what was going on at 116 Tyler?

..............and wasn't Tommy accused at one time of being a rat?

Makes one think.

Was the rat thing before or after his "confession" that he had been at the mh?

[HouseOfClark]

I tend to agree with your opinion of the female officer at Tyler before, as well.

Why would the officer go to a private channel to explain what was going on at 116 Tyler?

..............and wasn't Tommy accused at one time of being a rat?

Makes one think.

Also, if you listen to the transmission, the female officer says she's at 116 Tyler at approx. the 3:45 mark (of the 11:45 minute transmission).

This is 3 minutes and 45 seconds after the operator (dispatch) 'announces' the disappearance and gives Haleigh's address of 202 Green Lane.

There was just not time for this officer to respond to Green first, talk with whoever gave her the 116 Tyler information, drive over to Tyler and come back to the transmission and announce her location.

Then, she states about 3 or 4 seconds later that Haleigh was last seen "within her residence, about 1 to 1 1/2 hours ago" which directly contradicts what Misty says in the 911 call and would mean that Haleigh was last seen at approx. 2:00 a.m.

Even IF she had gone to Green, talked to Ron and Misty, sped over to Tyler - the 1 to 1 1/2 hours ago cannot be correct.

Was this 1 and 1 1/2 hour ago time given by somebody at Tyler? If so, who saw Haleigh at 2 a.m.?

JMO

[datacop]

Also, if you listen to the transmission, the female officer says she's at 116 Tyler at approx. the 3:45 mark (of the 11:45 minute transmission).

This is 3 minutes and 45 seconds after the operator (dispatch) 'announces' the disappearance and gives Haleigh's address of 202 Green Lane.

There was just not time for this officer to respond to Green first, talk with whoever gave her the 116 Tyler information, drive over to Tyler and come back to the transmission and announce her location.

Then, she states about 3 or 4 seconds later that Haleigh was last seen "within her residence, about 1 to 1 1/2 hours ago" which directly contradicts what Misty says in the 911 call and would mean that Haleigh was last seen at approx. 2:00 a.m.

Even IF she had gone to Green, talked to Ron and Misty, sped over to Tyler - the 1 to 1 1/2 hours ago cannot be correct.

Was this 1 and 1 1/2 hour ago time given by somebody at Tyler? If so, who saw Haleigh at 2 a.m.?

JMO

And was she alive?

[tia marie]

Also, if you listen to the transmission, the female officer says she's at 116 Tyler at approx. the 3:45 mark (of the 11:45 minute transmission).

This is 3 minutes and 45 seconds after the operator (dispatch) 'announces' the disappearance and gives Haleigh's address of 202 Green Lane.

There was just not time for this officer to respond to Green first, talk with whoever gave her the 116 Tyler information, drive over to Tyler and come back to the transmission and announce her location.

Then, she states about 3 or 4 seconds later that Haleigh was last seen "within her residence, about 1 to 1 1/2 hours ago" which directly contradicts what Misty says in the 911 call and would mean that Haleigh was last seen at approx. 2:00 a.m.

Even IF she had gone to Green, talked to Ron and Misty, sped over to Tyler - the 1 to 1 1/2 hours ago cannot be correct.

Was this 1 and 1 1/2 hour ago time given by somebody at Tyler? If so, who saw Haleigh at 2 a.m.?

JMO

Thank goodness! You understood what I was attempting to convey yesterday. You got it!!!!!:thumbsup:

[tia marie]

If she didn't talk to that officer before he left he might not have known who she was when he wrote his report.

The officer would have been remiss if he did not attempt to find out who Mrs. Sykes was. Afterall, she claims to have *had* Junior. Junior was a witness to a possible crime.

[HouseOfClark]

Was the rat thing before or after his "confession" that he had been at the mh?

The 'rat thing' occurred a couple or few days after the fight in the driveway.

If that helps...

[W_D_1]

Thanks -- couple of interesting points. Mrs. Sykes claims she got there 10 minutes after they knew she was missing. No way... She's already said that Ron tried to call her and she missed the call (not a quote) and then TN called her. What's going on here? She has ALMOST has many versions as Misty.

I do agree with the parts about Jr. Some people would be surprised at how much someone that age can tell you. Unfortunately, adults cloud the story with their facts and questions, and little statements. Oh, and little ones have some intersting imaginations but you can generally tell them real easy.

No way? How do you figure that? Teresa would have told her why she was calling at 3:30 in the morning. IMO Annette Sykes found out Haleigh was missing when Teresa called her. They both got to Ron's home after LE did and not before. Speeding at 3:30 in the morning when there is probably no traffic would allow them to arrive within minutes considering how close they all lived to each other.

I was reading around the internet yesterday and had to laugh at how some people need to twist everything Teresa Neves or Annette Sykes said so they could make them guilty of something. One even twisted Teresa's quote about speeding that night to make what she actually said more sinister.

Neither of these women have a reason to lie and neither of them are on LE's radar. Police have been focused on Misty from the beginning and her family more recently. It's obvious who they think is responsible for Haleigh's disappearance and it isn't Ron or his family.

[W_D_1]

Was the rat thing before or after his "confession" that he had been at the mh?

Before. According to atleast 2 officers he didn't bother to tell anyone he was at the home until atleast six months after Haleigh disappeared.

[W_D_1]

The officer would have been remiss if he did not attempt to find out who Mrs. Sykes was. Afterall, she claims to have *had* Junior. Junior was a witness to a possible crime.



He wasn't the only officer there that night and wasn't in charge of investigating.

You should really watch some of the video's included with the reports that are posted. It's obvious when you watch them that what was quoted isn't exactly what was said. The Chelsea video about the van is a perfect example. In the article she is quoted as saying Misty called her and asked about the scratch but when you watch the video she said "she called" and Matt Safer is the one who said Misty called.

When Annette Sykes said she had Junior that night IMO she meant after she got to Ron's home.

[tia marie]

No way? How do you figure that? Teresa would have told her why she was calling at 3:30 in the morning. IMO Annette Sykes found out Haleigh was missing when Teresa called her. They both got to Ron's home after LE did and not before. Speeding at 3:30 in the morning when there is probably no traffic would allow them to arrive within minutes considering how close they all lived to each other.

I was reading around the internet yesterday and had to laugh at how some people need to twist everything Teresa Neves or Annette Sykes said so they could make them guilty of something. One even twisted Teresa's quote about speeding that night to make what she actually said more sinister.

Neither of these women have a reason to lie and neither of them are on LE's radar. Police have been focused on Misty from the beginning and her family more recently. It's obvious who they think is responsible for Haleigh's disappearance and it isn't Ron or his family.


Your statement that *neither* of these women have a *reason to lie* is one some of us disagree with.

moo

[W_D_1]

Your statement that *neither* of these women have a *reason to lie* is one some of us disagree with.

moo


You may disagree with it but you have nothing to back it up with. :shrug:

[datacop]

Your statement that *neither* of these women have a *reason to lie* is one some of us disagree with.

moo


Did TN ever say she was at the mh earlier than after she made the "flying trip" across the roads after RC called her either before/during/after the 911 call?

Someone from LE has said she was.

[CFMom]

Did TN ever say she was at the mh earlier than after she made the "flying trip" across the roads after RC called her either before/during/after the 911 call?

Someone from LE has said she was.

Least she made a 'flying trip' to get there..I still wonder what took Marie and Crystal so long.:confused:

[W_D_1]

Did TN ever say she was at the mh earlier than after she made the "flying trip" across the roads after RC called her either before/during/after the 911 call?

Someone from LE has said she was.


I asked last night and got no response so I'm asking again....would you post a link showing anyone from LE saying Teresa was at the home earlier that day? I have never seen any LE say that.

[tia marie]

You may disagree with it but you have nothing to back it up with. :shrug:

Oh yes I do. I'll go with Bowling's statement, thank you very much.

There are inconsistencies that have remained since the beginning," Bowling said.

He also said other people aren't giving them the whole truth.

"It's not just one individual that we want to fill in those gaps," Bowling said. "All of the reasons people would be fearful about cooperating with police are all roadblocks here."

IMAGE: Haleigh Cummings
http://www.clickorlando.com/image/18833233/detail.html

Article:
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19466529/detail.html



****Other people aren't giving him the whole truth. Its not just one individual that we want to fill in the gaps.****

moo

[Tracian]

I have never read anywhere, including the last linked article that places any problems with TN or AS's statements.

LE has gone to great lengths, however to interview and re interview the Croslins.

[W_D_1]

Oh yes I do. I'll go with Bowling's statement, thank you very much.

There are inconsistencies that have remained since the beginning," Bowling said.

He also said other people aren't giving them the whole truth.

"It's not just one individual that we want to fill in those gaps," Bowling said. "All of the reasons people would be fearful about cooperating with police are all roadblocks here."

IMAGE: Haleigh Cummings
http://www.clickorlando.com/image/18833233/detail.html

Article:
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19466529/detail.html



****Other people aren't giving him the whole truth. Its not just one individual that we want to fill in the gaps.****

moo


Could you point out where in that article it mentioned Teresa Neves or Annette Sykes not being truthful?

After that article was written and that quote was given the police focused on Misty's family. Her mother, brother and father were arrested. Her brothers and sisters in law were re-questioned about Haleigh. Her friend Nay Nay was re-questioned. After re-questioning her brother they found new information that wasn't known by any law enforcement before.

What in all of that indicates Teresa Neves or Annette Sykes were withholding information?

[W_D_1]

I have never read anywhere, including the last linked article that places any problems with TN or AS's statements.

LE has gone to great lengths, however to interview and re interview the Croslins.



I love how a quote in an article that mentions no names is proof that either of them withheld information.

[HouseOfClark]

Good morning HOC and everyone.

IMO LE knew from their interviews with Ron early on.

Maybe LE kept that info to themselves as a tool in questioning Tommy to see when or if Tommy would admit to being at the scene of an abduction.

I think Ron has been open and honest with LE from day one... which may be why LE doesn't consider him a suspect.

MOO

Could be. I'm just wondering if they knew WHY Ron called Tommy that night. If they already had that information early on, (meaning that Ron was looking for Misty), I'm sure that figured in to them (LE) questioning whether or not Misty was at home that night.

LOL, "What did they know and when did they know it?"

[tia marie]

Could you point out where in that article it mentioned Teresa Neves or Annette Sykes not being truthful?

After that article was written and that quote was given the police focused on Misty's family. Her mother, brother and father were arrested. Her brothers and sisters in law were re-questioned about Haleigh. Her friend Nay Nay was re-questioned. After re-questioning her brother they found new information that wasn't known by any law enforcement before.

What in all of that indicates Teresa Neves or Annette Sykes were withholding information?

I happen to believe that Bowling meant everyone.

Yes, its unfortunate that the Croslins have had their altercations, disturbances, etc. in the media spotlight. Perhaps they are not as savy as others surrounding this case who seem to know how to remain under the radar.

moo

[tia marie]

Why would you think they were referring to to TN with that statement?

Like Bowling statement reads, *its not just one individual*...I take that to mean it could be everyone.

moo

[W_D_1]

I happen to believe that Bowling meant everyone.

Yes, its unfortunate that the Croslins have had their altercations, disturbances, etc. in the media spotlight. Perhaps they are not as savy as others surrounding this case who seem to know how to remain under the radar.

moo


Believing doesn't prove. It's been more than obvious who the police suspect. Their actions and words show they suspect Misty, and possibly HER family, of having something to do with Haleigh's disappearance.

They have flat out said they don't suspect Ron. If they don't suspect him there is no logical reason to believe that quote includes Teresa Neves or Annette Sykes.

[W_D_1]

Like Bowling statement reads, *its not just one individual*...I take that to mean it could be everyone.

moo



Misty, Tommy, Timmy, Lindsy, Chelsea, Lisa, Hank Sr.....more than one person and all people who have been questioned most recently about Haleigh's disappearance.

[W_D_1]

No links for police saying Teresa Neves was at the home earlier that night datacop? I've googled and googled and come up with nothing.

[?noanswer]

Looks like Lisa C. didn't contest the charges, but ended up having to pay back the money, pay some fines, pay for a drug test, and probation.

JMO

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.phpCROSLIN, LISA CARMEN
Alias


Date # Docket Description
2009-09-23 1 COMPLAINT - PCSO DET. K TAYLOR (8/19/09)

2009-09-23 1 BOOKING NUMBER: N/A

2009-09-23 1 FORGERY

2009-09-23 1 UTTERING A FORGERY

2009-09-23 2 WARRANT ISSUED - BOND SET AT $5004.00 CT. I

2009-09-23 2 BOND SET AT $5004.00 CT. II

2009-09-23 2 BOND SET AT $ 504.00 CT. III

2009-10-15 3 ARREST REPORT: WARRANT (ARRESTED 9-30-09 TN)

2009-10-15 4 DEFENDANT PRESENT FOR FIRST APPEARANCE HRG 10-15-09

2009-10-15 4 ADJ INS P D APPOINTED AT FIRST APPEARANCE HEARING

2009-10-15 4 SUFFICIENT PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND

2009-10-15 4 $5004.00 $5004 $504.00 SECURED BOND SET

2009-10-15 5 WARRANT RETURNED EXECUTED

2009-10-15 5 DEFT AARR 9-30-09 NASHVILLE TN

2009-10-15 5 RETURNED TO PCJ ON 10-14-09

2009-10-15 6 WAIVER OF EXTRADITION FROM TN

2009-10-15 7 AFFIDAVIT FOR CRIMINAL INDIGENT STATUS

2009-10-15 8 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER AT FIRST APP HEARING

2009-10-15 9 REPORT FROM FUGITIVE UNIT

2009-10-16 10 $5004.00 A-1 24 HR BOND POSTED - #2224239

2009-10-16 11 $5004.00 A-1 24 HR BOND POSTED - #2224240

2009-10-16 12 $ 504.00 A-1 24 HR BOND POSTED - #2224241

2009-10-16 12 AMERICAN BANKERS INSURANCE COMPANY

2009-10-21 13 INFORMATION - UTTERING A FORGERY

2009-10-21 13 FORGERY

2009-10-21 13 PETIT THEFT

2009-11-05 14 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (11-23-2009)

2009-11-23 15 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, SWORN, ARRAIGNED,

2009-11-23 15 PUBLIC DEFENDER APPOINTED, ENTERED PLEA OF NOT GUILTY,

2009-11-23 15 SET FOR PRE TRIAL 01/14/2010.

2009-11-23 16 AFFIDAVIT FOR CRIMINAL INDIGENT STATUS

2009-11-23 17 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER

2009-11-23 18 ORDER SETTING PRE TRIAL 01/14/2010

2009-11-24 19 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (01-14-2010)

2010-01-14 DEFENDANT ENTERED PLEA OF NOLO CONTENDERE CNT: 1,CNT: 2

2010-01-14 VERDICT OF NO TRIAL CNT: 1,CNT: 2,CNT: 3

2010-01-14 DEFENDANT APPEARED PRES W/ATTY FOR NO TRIAL TRIAL CNT: 1

2010-01-14 DEFENDANT APPEARED PRES W/ATTY FOR NO TRIAL TRIAL CNT: 2

2010-01-14 DEFENDANT ENTERED PLEA OF NOLO CONTENDERE CNT: 3

2010-01-14 DEFENDANT APPEARED PRES W/ATTY FOR NO TRIAL TRIAL CNT: 3

2010-01-14 20 SCORESHEET FILED

2010-01-14 21 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY BILL BOOKHAMMER

2010-01-14 21 W/D FORMER PLEA, PLED NOLO AS CHARGED TO

2010-01-14 21 CT I - UTTERING A FORGED INSTRUMENT

2010-01-14 21 CT II - FORGERY

2010-01-14 21 CT III - PETIT THEFT

2010-01-14 21 ADVISED OF MAX PENALTY 5 YRS DOC &/OR $5000 FINE

2010-01-14 21 ADVISED OF MAX PENALTY 5 YRS DOC &/OR $5000 FINE

2010-01-14 21 ADVISED OF MAX PENALTY 60 DAYS PCJ &/OR $500 FINE

2010-01-14 21 PLEA ACCEPTED, PSI WAIVED, SENTENCING -

2010-01-14 21 ADJUDICATION OF GUILT WITHHELD AS TO CT I AND II

2010-01-14 21 DEFENDANT ADJUDGED GUILTY OF CT III

2010-01-14 21 CT I - 18 MONTHS PROBATION

2010-01-14 21 CT II - 18 MONTHS PROBATION

2010-01-14 21 CT III - 1 DAY PCJ WITH 1 DAY CREDIT

2010-01-14 21 CT II CONCURRENT WITH CT I

2010-01-14 21 $395 COURT COSTS

2010-01-14 21 $50 PUBLIC DEFENDER APPLICATION FEE

2010-01-14 21 $1.00 TO FIRST STEP, INC

2010-01-14 21 $20 TO THE CRIME STOPPERS TRUST FUND

2010-01-14 21 $100 PUBLIC DEFENDER ATTORNEY FEE

2010-01-14 21 $100 COST OF PROSECUTION

2010-01-14 21 COST OF SUPERVISION SET AT $10 PER MONTH

2010-01-14 21 TO UNDERGO AND PAY FOR DRUG TESTING

2010-01-14 21 50 HOURS COMMUNITY SERVICE

2010-01-14 21 RESTITUTION IN THE AMOUNT OF $600 TO PROSPERITY BANK

2010-01-14 21 RESTITUTION IN THE AMOUNT OF $100 TO MJ MARTIN

2010-01-14 21 MAY EARLY TERMINATE

2010-01-14 22 FINGERPRINTS OF DEFENDANT

2010-01-14 23 ORDER OF PROBATION

[?noanswer]

Like Bowling statement reads, *its not just one individual*...I take that to mean it could be everyone.

moo

Maybe he meant it was two individuals. When I post that I am putting words in his mouth. I have no idea what his statement meant. JMO

[W_D_1]

Looks like Lisa C. didn't contest the charges, but ended up having to pay back the money, pay some fines, pay for a drug test, and probation.

snipped per CW



I forgot to snip yesterday.

I think the part about paying for drug testing means she will have to pay any time they test her while on probation. Given the history they may decide to test her every time she reports which could be once a month.

[?noanswer]

I forgot to snip yesterday.

I think the part about paying for drug testing means she will have to pay any time they test her while on probation. Given the history they may decide to test her every time she reports which could be once a month.


Agree. She got off easy considering what the max. penalty was. It also said adjucation of guilt w/h on CT II & III. Looks like later then addressed it. Kinda confusing. JMO

[W_D_1]

Agree. She got off easy considering what the max. penalty was. JMO



IMO the case won't be over until the probation is completed and the restitution and fines are paid. Only then will it be settled. If she fails to pay those or violates her probation she can be hauled back into court on those charges.

[?noanswer]

IMO the case won't be over until the probation is completed and the restitution and fines are paid. Only then will it be settled. If she fails to pay those or violates her probation she can be hauled back into court on those charges.

As easy as she got off, looks like Hank, JR should have done the same plea instead of prolonging his charges by asking for discovery. JMO

[W_D_1]

As easy as she got off, looks like Hank, JR should have done the same plea instead of prolonging his charges by asking for discovery. JMO



Lisa had no defense. Her signature was on the check/s. She was also there when the gun was stolen so Tommy could be planning to throw her under the bus on that charge. Now he or his attorney can say...."look, she admitted to stealing the checks, she stole the gun too."

[W_D_1]

A Croslin turning on another Croslin?

Surely, you jest.... ;)


It has happened already. Misty turned on Tommy when she got the restraining order.

[Tracian]

It has happened already. Misty turned on Tommy when she got the restraining order.

Misty threw Tommy under the bus when she alluded that she heard 'talk' about her brother in relation to this case.

[W_D_1]

Misty threw Tommy under the bus when she alluded that she heard 'talk' about her brother in relation to this case.


And when she talked about him selling his red truck right after Haleigh disappeared.


O/T anyone else get a weird rules page they had to agree to before they could post? I wonder what's up with that.

[W_D_1]

<<< Snipped >>>



Still no mention of GGMS or TN :shrug:


What the heck is that 'new' agreement we must submit in order to post?
Not a problem for me, jut surprised to see it. :mellow:



Whew...you got it too? Had me worried for a minute. I don't pm often so I couldn't figure that one out.

[W_D_1]

Can't play the video (no sound) but I'm not going to decide he meant something else than what was said.


The reporter brought up Teresa's name, not Greenwood. He was prodded with questions that weren't accurate.

[W_D_1]

Now that I hear 'others' got the "submit to form"...

:scared: I don't feel so much like the Axe is about to drop from the depths of ban-camp. :chicken:



Yeah that came out of nowhere.

[?noanswer]

Misty threw Tommy under the bus when she alluded that she heard 'talk' about her brother in relation to this case.


Misty threw her mom under the bus for a while.

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php
UCN: 542009MM002827XXAXMX
File Date: 2009-08-10 Judge: PETER T MILLER
Defense Atty:
Defendant
CROSLIN, LISA CARMEN
Alias
Date # Docket Description
2009-08-10 1 COMPLAINT FILED: PCSO/ 08-05-09
2009-08-10 1 BOOKING NUMBER: N/A
2009-08-10 1 BATTERY/ MISTY CUMMINGS
2010-01-14 2 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION TO (ALL CTS)

JMO

[Elle]

Can't play the video (no sound) but I'm not going to decide he meant something else than what was said.

That is understandable. My opinion was formed after listening to him and the interaction w/ the interviewer.

[W_D_1]

That is understandable. My opinion was formed after listening to him and the interaction w/ the interviewer.



He was clearly confused about some facts in that interview. He wasn't sure it was on the paternal side and said they received the 911 call at 2:13am when we all know it was actually made at 3:27am.

He did verify though that the timeline starts after 7 because of AS seeing Haleigh alive then and that Ron was already at work when she was last seen alive. That tells me they don't doubt AS's story.

[W_D_1]

I'm hoping it's showing up again for "an agreement" and once "agreed" will make it easier to ban those who are rude and nasty.

But, that's MOO. :smile:


IMO it has to do with threatening/nasty pm's. Maybe to make it more actionable.

[HouseOfClark]

He was clearly confused about some facts in that interview. He wasn't sure it was on the paternal side and said they received the 911 call at 2:13am when we all know it was actually made at 3:27am.

He did verify though that the timeline starts after 7 because of AS seeing Haleigh alive then and that Ron was already at work when she was last seen alive. That tells me they don't doubt AS's story.

Unless......

The 2:13 call was in reference to the 116 Tyler Street in the transmission?

Technically that would mean they received TWO calls.

ETA: 2:13 IS a rather specific time after all.

[W_D_1]

Unless......

The 2:13 call was in reference to the 116 Tyler Street in the transmission?

Technically that would mean they received TWO calls.

ETA: 2:13 IS a rather specific time after all.

IMO if there had been a call to Tyler St an hour before the 911 call about Haleigh the media would have been all over it. IMO there was no call to Tyler St that night.

[HouseOfClark]

IMO if there had been a call to Tyler St an hour before the 911 call about Haleigh the media would have been all over it. IMO there was no call to Tyler St that night.

Not unless they heard it on the transmission and paid attention to whose address that was.

Like all of us did.

IMO, an officer just doesn't blurt out a particular street address with house number if he/she is just driving down that street.

[HouseOfClark]

2:13 also has a 3 in it which could look like 3:10 to someone just waking up.

It would also fit to the officer (the one who said she was at 116 Tyler) saying 'last seen within her residence 1 and 1/2 hours ago' on the transmission.

IMO - the plot thickens.

[W_D_1]

Not unless they heard it on the transmission and paid attention to whose address that was.

Like all of us did.

IMO, an officer just doesn't blurt out a particular street address with house number if he/she is just driving down that street.


He or she might if they went to that house to see if Haleigh might have wandered over there.

[?noanswer]

It would also fit to the officer (the one who said she was at 116 Tyler) saying 'last seen within her residence 1 and 1/2 hours ago' on the transmission.

IMO - the plot thickens.


I think posters are taking incorrect information from lots of different sources and writing their own plot. As far as I can tell there is no time mentioned in the radio transmissions. JMO

[HouseOfClark]

I think posters are taking incorrect information from lots of different sources and writing their own plot. As far as I can tell there is no time mentioned in the radio transmissions. JMO

No, there's not. However, the transmission itself is 11:45 minutes long. It starts shortly after the 911 call at 3:27 by notifiying officers in the area that Haleigh is missing and gives her home address and ends with the arrival of the first officer who indicated in the police report he arrived at 3:40.

That's 13 minutes lapsed according to the written report and almost 12 according to the transmission.

I'm not writing any plot, I'm just doing simple math and listening to the transmission to hear at what point certain things are mentioned.

The officer at Tyler (FLE2) mentions Tyler at 3:45 into the transmission.

She is either Speedy Gonzales or she was already at Tyler on something else, related or not.

JMO

[?noanswer]

No, there's not. However, the transmission itself is 11:45 minutes long. It starts shortly after the 911 call at 3:27 by notifiying officers in the area that Haleigh is missing and gives her home address and ends with the arrival of the first officer who indicated in the police report he arrived at 3:40.

That's 13 minutes lapsed according to the written report and almost 12 according to the transmission.

I'm not writing any plot, I'm just doing simple math and listening to the transmission to hear at what point certain things are mentioned.

The officer at Tyler (FLE2) mentions Tyler at 3:45 into the transmission.

She is either Speedy Gonzales or she was already at Tyler on something else, related or not.

JMO

How do you know that it started shortly after the 911 call? FLE2 says she is going back to Green, which means she had already been there. JMO

[W_D_1]

I think posters are taking incorrect information from lots of different sources and writing their own plot. As far as I can tell there is no time mentioned in the radio transmissions. JMO


I agree. I think those transmissions are pieced together. All calls would come in on the same frequency so if other officers were on other calls we would hear them too. We don't hear any other calls, just Haleigh's. IMO it was edited to remove other content not related to Haleigh and there is no way to tell what time those comments were actually made.

[HouseOfClark]

I have to agree HOC.
LE was at the Tyler street address before the call about HaLeigh came in.

Who can say why at this time :confused:

Could it have been someone in the neighborhood heard/saw something suspicious before the abduction?

Maybe LE has asked it not be revealed. :shrug:

MOO

Could be a neighbor reported the yelling/screaming/disturbance that supposedly was going on around the same time.

I can't believe this police department, of all departments in the US, has kept this tight a lid on witnesses, like the a/c guy. That doesn't happen very often.

[HouseOfClark]

How do you know that it started shortly after the 911 call? FLE2 says she is going back to Green, which means she had already been there. JMO

Because off the arrival time of the first officer. 13 minutes after the 911 call was placed.

[datacop]

No, there's not. However, the transmission itself is 11:45 minutes long. It starts shortly after the 911 call at 3:27 by notifiying officers in the area that Haleigh is missing and gives her home address and ends with the arrival of the first officer who indicated in the police report he arrived at 3:40.

That's 13 minutes lapsed according to the written report and almost 12 according to the transmission.

I'm not writing any plot, I'm just doing simple math and listening to the transmission to hear at what point certain things are mentioned.

The officer at Tyler (FLE2) mentions Tyler at 3:45 into the transmission.

She is either Speedy Gonzales or she was already at Tyler on something else, related or not.

JMO


Amazing what a little math & logic will do.

[?noanswer]

If an officer was at a place because of a call, I would think they would report to the dispatcher that the compaint was checked out and there was nothing to it. They are also saying that dogs are enroute and other things that makes me think a lot of time elapsed somewhere. They had already determined when the last train passed. JMO

[?noanswer]

Because off the arrival time of the first officer. 13 minutes after the 911 call was placed.

That officer was at Green St. No where is there any time mentioned as to when FLE2 arrived on Tyler. JMO

[datacop]

That officer was at Green St. No where is there any time mentioned as to when FLE2 arrived on Tyler. JMO

So it could have been before the infamous 911 call.

[?noanswer]

So it could have been before the infamous 911 call.

If it was before the 911 call, why would FLE2 already been to Green St? Why would they have already arranged for dogs and why would they have checked out the train schedule? JMO

[W_D_1]

If it was before the 911 call, why would FLE2 already been to Green St? Why would they have already arranged for dogs and why would they have checked out the train schedule? JMO



Not to mention a helicopter and boats being arranged. The police would have gotten to the house and ascertained Haleigh really was missing and not just hiding somewhere before putting all of that into motion. And IMO it would have taken more than 11 or 13 minutes. They aren't going to pull out all of their resources before they know for sure they are needed.

[HouseOfClark]

That officer was at Green St. No where is there any time mentioned as to when FLE2 arrived on Tyler. JMO

The first officers on the scene were Bridges and Nelson and they arrived at 3:40. There is no mention in the police report that any of the responding officers left Green and went straight to Tyler.

For what reason would they leave 202 Green Lane and go to 116 Tyler? Who at 202 Green Lane would give them that specific address? And why?

[HouseOfClark]

If it was before the 911 call, why would FLE2 already been to Green St? Why would they have already arranged for dogs and why would they have checked out the train schedule? JMO

I would hope it's standard operating procedure when a small child is missing.

The 911 operator tells Misty that they are sending dogs.

[Tracian]

This is an interesting link about the actions of families of missing people:

http://www.marylandmissing.com/whattodo.html

[?noanswer]

The first officers on the scene were Bridges and Nelson and they arrived at 3:40. There is no mention in the police report that any of the responding officers left Green and went straight to Tyler.

For what reason would they leave 202 Green Lane and go to 116 Tyler? Who at 202 Green Lane would give them that specific address? And why?

Those are questions that have not been answered. I could guess that perhaps RC/MC might have said something about Tyler and the officer went there to check on whatever they said, but that is just a guess. The one thing that stands out to me is that FLE2 says she is going back to Green. They are also talking about other processes that are already underway which sounds to me like the Tyler St. visit was a while after the 911 call.

JMO

[datacop]

If it was before the 911 call, why would FLE2 already been to Green St? Why would they have already arranged for dogs and why would they have checked out the train schedule? JMO


As far as the train, I figured they just saw it go by 'cause a schedule means little in real time.

[W_D_1]

The first officers on the scene were Bridges and Nelson and they arrived at 3:40. There is no mention in the police report that any of the responding officers left Green and went straight to Tyler.

For what reason would they leave 202 Green Lane and go to 116 Tyler? Who at 202 Green Lane would give them that specific address? And why?


Misty.


I asked Misty if she ever took Haleigh on a walk, and Misty advised that she sometimes walked with Haleigh to <blacked out>, to visit her family.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

[?noanswer]

As far as the train, I figured they just saw it go by 'cause a schedule means little in real time.

But that was information that had already been compiled, no matter the method, by the time the Tyler St. visit was in process. JMO

[W_D_1]

Those are questions that have not been answered. I could guess that perhaps RC/MC might have said something about Tyler and the officer went there to check on whatever they said, but that is just a guess. The one thing that stands out to me is that FLE2 says she is going back to Green. They are also talking about other processes that are already underway which sounds to me like the Tyler St. visit was a while after the 911 call.

JMO


Actually it has been answered. The responding officer asked Misty if she ever walked with Haleigh and Misty said they sometimes walked to visit her family. I just posted the link to the original police report showing that.

[W_D_1]

As far as the train, I figured they just saw it go by 'cause a schedule means little in real time.


The deputy asked dispatch to find out when it ran. Dispatch said it just went through. I doubt a dispatcher, sitting in an office, saw the train pass.

FLE2: There is a railroad that runs right through there. Can we find out from CSA(?) when next train come through?
OP: 10:4. It just passed through.

[4Kids]

One officer stated the train had just passed.

Wonder the time of that?


Using the map you provided the other evening, I wonder how close the train tracks were to the last place the dogs caught Haleigh's scent? I always remember it being said that it was close to the water....but how close to the tracks. I need to go back to the other thread and take a gander at that map. IMO

[W_D_1]

Using the map you provided the other evening, I wonder how close the train tracks were to the last place the dogs caught Haleigh's scent? I always remember it being said that it was close to the water....but how close to the tracks. I need to go back to the other thread and take a gander at that map. IMO


The dogs tracked Haleigh to the railroad tracks. Her scent ended there.

[4Kids]

The dogs tracked Haleigh to the railroad tracks. Her scent ended there.

Thanks, WD. I am looking at the map as we speak. I find that very odd. I have seen dogs lose scents when someone is picked up in a car. But to abruptly stop at the tracks raises my hackles, if you will. What type of train is this? IMO

Sorry about all of the questions. I really truly have been on this board since day 2. I am trying to re-review all of the information with an open eye. Unfortunately I keep coming back to the same theory. IMO

[W_D_1]

Thanks, WD. I am looking at the map as we speak. I find that very odd. I have seen dogs lose scents when someone is picked up in a car. But to abruptly stop at the tracks raises my hackles, if you will. What type of train is this? IMO

Sorry about all of the questions. I really truly have been on this board since day 2. I am trying to re-review all of the information with an open eye. Unfortunately I keep coming back to the same theory. IMO




IIRC it was a freight train. The erratic path the dogs took has always made me think someone had a car waiting at the tracks. That's why I can't stick with one theory.

[HouseOfClark]

If Bridges is FLE2, she arrives at the same time Nelson does. They were the first officers there.

FLE2 says "I'm available at 116 Tyler", then she is asked what is going on at 116 Tyler.

For her to say she was "available" means, IMO, she was indicating her availability if needed to go to the scene because she was close by. It doesn't mean, IMO, that she is checking on where Haleigh is because of something Misty said.

No one in the transmission says "51" until the end of the transmission.

JMO

[tia marie]

Misty threw her mom under the bus for a while.

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php
UCN: 542009MM002827XXAXMX
File Date: 2009-08-10 Judge: PETER T MILLER
Defense Atty:
Defendant
CROSLIN, LISA CARMEN
Alias
Date # Docket Description
2009-08-10 1 COMPLAINT FILED: PCSO/ 08-05-09
2009-08-10 1 BOOKING NUMBER: N/A
2009-08-10 1 BATTERY/ MISTY CUMMINGS
2010-01-14 2 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION TO (ALL CTS)

JMO

Like BassMan said earlier, * Misty would eat her arm* before she would put herself under the bus. And that includes Ron, but her birth mother doesn't seem to matter. Yet when times are tough, and there's no where to go, where does Misty sling back to. Uh huh, back to Tyler where Tommy and her mom are enscounced. Misty would like everyone to think she's fearless, uh huh, yet she returns to the motherfold, time and time again. Let's see where she ends up next. I can't wait.

moo

[W_D_1]

If Bridges is FLE2, she arrives at the same time Nelson does. They were the first officers there.

FLE2 says "I'm available at 116 Tyler", then she is asked what is going on at 116 Tyler.

For her to say she was "available" means, IMO, she was indicating her availability if needed to go to the scene because she was close by. It doesn't mean, IMO, that she is checking on where Haleigh is because of something Misty said.

No one in the transmission says "51" until the end of the transmission.

JMO


51 is said several times near the beginning of the transcript and throughout it. 4 before Tyler is mentioned, one right after and a couple more near the end.


FLE2: I’m available at 116 Tyler.
OP: 116 Tyler? (static) 26.
MLE1: What’s going on at 116?
FLE2: 1256.
OP: Go head.
FLE2: 10:08 from this location, going 97, back to Green.


She says she is going BACK to Green, not that she is available to go there. Someone can't go back to a place they haven't been to already.

[Santa'sMom]

The deputy asked dispatch to find out when it ran. Dispatch said it just went through. I doubt a dispatcher, sitting in an office, saw the train pass.

FLE2: There is a railroad that runs right through there. Can we find out from CSA(?) when next train come through?
OP: 10:4. It just passed through.

It seems to me like the Sheriff's office is right near the train station, maybe right across the street. If it's within a mile of the tracks, and I'm certain it is, the dispatcher would be able to hear the trains when they go through.

Regarding the Tyler/Green thing, didn't someone say that Misty called her brother in Crescent City before calling 911? Maybe Timmy called 911after he talked to Misty? I know LE hasn't said anything about that happening but they haven't said a whole lot about anything that happened that night so I'm thinking it could be a possibility. If so, maybe Timmy told them that Haleigh sometimes went over to Tommy's? Just an idea.

[Peaches]

I agree. I think those transmissions are pieced together. All calls would come in on the same frequency so if other officers were on other calls we would hear them too. We don't hear any other calls, just Haleigh's. IMO it was edited to remove other content not related to Haleigh and there is no way to tell what time those comments were actually made.


WD............ITA.............excellent post.

[W_D_1]

It seems to me like the Sheriff's office is right near the train station, maybe right across the street. If it's within a mile of the tracks, and I'm certain it is, the dispatcher would be able to hear the trains when they go through.

Regarding the Tyler/Green thing, didn't someone say that Misty called her brother in Crescent City before calling 911? Maybe Timmy called 911after he talked to Misty? I know LE hasn't said anything about that happening but they haven't said a whole lot about anything that happened that night so I'm thinking it could be a possibility. If so, maybe Timmy told them that Haleigh sometimes went over to Tommy's? Just an idea.


According to mapquest there is 15 miles between Ron's home and the sheriffs dept. The train just passing the SO doesn't mean it had passed Ron's house yet. It was a freight train and they move slower than passenger trains.

[datacop]

It seems to me like the Sheriff's office is right near the train station, maybe right across the street. If it's within a mile of the tracks, and I'm certain it is, the dispatcher would be able to hear the trains when they go through.

Regarding the Tyler/Green thing, didn't someone say that Misty called her brother in Crescent City before calling 911? Maybe Timmy called 911after he talked to Misty? I know LE hasn't said anything about that happening but they haven't said a whole lot about anything that happened that night so I'm thinking it could be a possibility. If so, maybe Timmy told them that Haleigh sometimes went over to Tommy's? Just an idea.


I believe all that was said was that Misty's phone records showed call's to Timmy's number that night.

[tia marie]

Oh boy, I just can't believe the passes and excuses Ron is annointed with here. Why Bad Things Happen To Good People must have been written just for him. I'm so sorry he is the unluckiest guy in the world. Poor guy, all he wanted was to be a good dad.

[W_D_1]

Oh boy, I just can't believe the passes and excuses Ron is annointed with here. Why Bad Things Happen To Good People must have been written just for him. I'm so sorry he is the unluckiest guy in the world. Poor guy, all he wanted was to be a good dad.




So we should just ignore the police when they say he isn't a suspect because you and a couple of others choose to ignore it?

[datacop]

Oh boy, I just can't believe the passes and excuses Ron is annointed with here. Why Bad Things Happen To Good People must have been written just for him. I'm so sorry he is the unluckiest guy in the world. Poor guy, all he wanted was to be a good dad.

I've seen people that don't show as much support to their own family members as other people do to RC who they've never even met.

[Justice4all]

Oh boy, I just can't believe the passes and excuses Ron is annointed with here. Why Bad Things Happen To Good People must have been written just for him. I'm so sorry he is the unluckiest guy in the world. Poor guy, all he wanted was to be a good dad.

IMO the ones that get a pass around here are Crystal and Chad. (( Must I remind you about the crack pipes? ))

[W_D_1]

IMO the ones that get a pass around here are Crystal and Chad. (( Must I remind you about the crack pipes? ))


Lt's count the excuses made for Crystal. Please feel free to add to the list.



1) She couldn't work to pay child support because she has an infant. Oops...she owed child support before she had that infant.

2) She couldn't work because she has seizures. Oops, she didn't start having seizures until 2 days before Haleigh disappeared. She was $12,000 behind at that point.

3) She couldn't get out of bed to take Haleigh to the doctor because she had seizures. Oops, no seizures until 2 days before Haleigh disappeared. And then it was turned around to blame Ron even though he worked according to her own attorney.

4) She couldn't work to pay child support because she was injured in a wreck. Oops, she was already behind in support when she got in the wreck.

5) She didn't know anything about Haleigh's education because Ron wouldn't let her know. Ooops, not true. State law in Florida provides Crystal the right to call, write, email and even go to the school.

[datacop]

IMO the ones that get a pass around here are Crystal and Chad. (( Must I remind you about the crack pipes? ))


The one on the other side of the farm in a vehicle that was registered to someone else??

Yep, that rates right up there with rats, road rage, guns in mouth.

[datacop]

For all we know, that female officer could have been at 116 Tyler Street talking to Tommy about a number of things and none of them concerned Haleigh at that time?

I mean, it's not like LE had never spoken with Tommy regarding other things before that night........... or after, for that matter.

Not sure we know that. The only records for him in the last 3 years in Putnam County have been since HaLeigh went missing.

[W_D_1]

The one on the other side of the farm in a vehicle that was registered to someone else??

Yep, that rates right up there with rats, road rage, guns in mouth.



So Kim Picazio lied when she said those were Chad's pipes? So why should we believe any of her other claims, specifically any involving Ron?

BTW....there is a car in my yard right now that is registered in someone elses name. I bought it for parts and it won't be on the road so it doesn't have to be registered but it's still my car. That flimsy excuse doesn't hold water.

[CFMom]

Oh boy, I just can't believe the passes and excuses Ron is annointed with here. Why Bad Things Happen To Good People must have been written just for him. I'm so sorry he is the unluckiest guy in the world. Poor guy, all he wanted was to be a good dad.

Ron doesn't need a 'pass'....he has an alibi and LE has said he isn't a suspect.

[CFMom]

I've seen people that don't show as much support to their own family members as other people do to RC who they've never even met.

Name them please?

[CFMom]

IMO the ones that get a pass around here are Crystal and Chad. (( Must I remind you about the crack pipes? ))

Where was Chad that night? Whats his alibi? What took Crystal and Marie so long to get to Ron's the night Haleigh went missing? Why was it just days after receiving the contempt charge that Haleigh went missing?

[cat3]

That's what they said.

Then again, an officer also said that Haliegh was last seen around 2 a.m. according to the transcription of the radio transmissions.

Just sayin........

I remember being really excited when the calls were first released and hearing that Haleigh was last seen at 2am because it was different than what we had been told,but now,since there has been no follow up by anyone about the 2am,I'm thinking 2am may have been an error and someone(LE) put out the wrong information during the call.
IMO

[W_D_1]

Police say Ron is not suspect.

Some are moving on to others who haven't been declared so.
Some are not. :shrug:


MOO


Silly Rucky....we are supposed to ignore that.

[cat3]

I agree. I think those transmissions are pieced together. All calls would come in on the same frequency so if other officers were on other calls we would hear them too. We don't hear any other calls, just Haleigh's. IMO it was edited to remove other content not related to Haleigh and there is no way to tell what time those comments were actually made.

I agree.We are hearing every transmission that pertained to Haleigh being pieced together,otherwise we would be hearing other calls that were unrelated to Haleigh.Even if LE used a back channel there would be pauses and lulls in the dispatches and between LE.
IMO

[CFMom]

The one on the other side of the farm in a vehicle that was registered to someone else??

Yep, that rates right up there with rats, road rage, guns in mouth.

Lets throw in Chads protective order of three years.

[datacop]

Really?

All of Tommy's indiscretions with the law in Putnam County came after Haleigh went missing?

Wow.


He sure doesn't show any arrest records in the last 3 years. Amazing, isn't it? Of course, do we know when he moved to Putnam County?

[W_D_1]

Lets throw in Chads protective order of three years.


And Crystal's lies to a LE officer accusing someone of a felony, her lies to her own attorney and ongoing drug use according to that attorney.

[cat3]

Oh boy, I just can't believe the passes and excuses Ron is annointed with here. Why Bad Things Happen To Good People must have been written just for him. I'm so sorry he is the unluckiest guy in the world. Poor guy, all he wanted was to be a good dad.

Did something get deleted? All I have seen today are disussions on paths and discussions on the dispatch calls.
IMO

[CFMom]

Crystal was called at around 4 am by Teresa to tell her Haleigh was missing. Crystal didnt call her mother till 5 am...anyone know why she waited so long to tell her mom who lived spitting distance from her? Did we ever determine what time Marie and Crystal made itt o Rons that day and why it took so long? And where was Chad?

[W_D_1]

Did something get deleted? All I have seen today are disussions on paths and discussions on the dispatch calls.
IMO



Nope, nothing was deleted. That and the post immediately after it came out of nowhere.

[Justice4all]

Where was Chad that night? Whats his alibi? What took Crystal and Marie so long to get to Ron's the night Haleigh went missing? Why was it just days after receiving the contempt charge that Haleigh went missing?

I would love to know the answers to all those questions and more.

[CFMom]

Did something get deleted? All I have seen today are disussions on paths and discussions on the dispatch calls.
IMO

Some cant go all day without a jab at Ron

[cat3]

Nope, nothing was deleted. That and the post immediately after it came out of nowhere.

Strange,huh.I thought maybe I had missed something as I'm reading backwards and just catching up with the posts.
IMO

[cat3]

I think there are many errors in many things.

My post was only a demonstration that simply because something is attributed to LE it may not always be the truth.

LE said that Tommy gave them "new" information in August. Only LE knows if this was "new" information garnered from Tommy or new information they were releasing to the public.

LE said during radio calls that Haliegh was last seen 1 to 1 and 1/2 hours earlier. That could not be possible, unless she was seen at around 2 a.m. that morning.

Yep, there are many errors in many things.

I think it must have been an error,but of course it could be that Haleigh was last seen at 2am,but not likely that some form of the media wouldn't have followed up on that bit of news.
IMO

[HouseOfClark]

For all we know, that female officer could have been at 116 Tyler Street talking to Tommy about a number of things and none of them concerned Haleigh at that time?

I mean, it's not like LE had never spoken with Tommy regarding other things before that night........... or after, for that matter.

Hello!

Get out of my head.

[cat3]

Some cant go all day without a jab at Ron

Maybe that's it...lol.I was like what did I miss here when I saw the post about Ron and 'his defenders'

IMO

[CFMom]

Maybe that's it...lol.I was like what did I miss here when I saw the post about Ron and 'his defenders'

IMO

Least we were called 'defenders' and not 'Ron lovers':laugh:

I defend him because LE says he has an alibi and isnt a suspect.

[HouseOfClark]

So Kim Picazio lied when she said those were Chad's pipes? So why should we believe any of her other claims, specifically any involving Ron?

BTW....there is a car in my yard right now that is registered in someone elses name. I bought it for parts and it won't be on the road so it doesn't have to be registered but it's still my car. That flimsy excuse doesn't hold water.

Didn't she say she got that information from a message board poster? Or did she say she got that information from LE?

[cat3]

Least we were called 'defenders' and not 'Ron lovers':laugh:

I defend him because LE says he has an alibi and isnt a suspect.

Same here,CFMom.

[?noanswer]

Did something get deleted? All I have seen today are disussions on paths and discussions on the dispatch calls.
IMO

That's what I have been seeing. I guess someone wanted to change the subject of discussion. JMO

[HouseOfClark]

I agree.We are hearing every transmission that pertained to Haleigh being pieced together,otherwise we would be hearing other calls that were unrelated to Haleigh.Even if LE used a back channel there would be pauses and lulls in the dispatches and between LE.
IMO

There are pauses and lulls if you listen to the transmission, but they are not 'offline', IMO.

Their radio transmissions don't sound like police scanners where you pick up ALL the transmissions and chatter. And even if they did in Putnam County, what else could have been going on at 3:30 a.m. on a Tuesday morning?

Much different level of activity that what occurs on Friday and Saturday nights.

Again, IMO.

[cat3]

That's what I have been seeing. I guess someone wanted to change the subject of discussion. JMO

I'm glad it didn't work.It has been great to read here for the last couple of days without the usual bashing.

IMO

[?noanswer]

I think there are many errors in many things.

My post was only a demonstration that simply because something is attributed to LE it may not always be the truth.

LE said that Tommy gave them "new" information in August. Only LE knows if this was "new" information garnered from Tommy or new information they were releasing to the public.

LE said during radio calls that Haliegh was last seen 1 to 1 and 1/2 hours earlier. That could not be possible, unless she was seen at around 2 a.m. that morning.

Yep, there are many errors in many things.

BBM

I think you hit the nail on the head. The longer the case goes unsolved, the muddier the water becomes. It is really getting hard to seperate facts (the few that are available) from opinion (many available). JMO

[HouseOfClark]

It's roomier than the lighthouse! ;)

Do you know when Tommy moved to PC?

I find it difficult to believe he had no intereaction with LE for 3 years.
I mean, seriously.

IIRC, they lived in Michigan then Daytona Beach for a while before moving to Satsuma. Remember Misty said she was a "city girl".

Maybe he never got caught?

ETA: How old is Tommy?

[Justice4all]

IIRC, they lived in Michigan then Daytona Beach for a while before moving to Satsuma. Remember Misty said she was a "city girl".

Maybe he never got caught?

ETA: How old is Tommy?

Tommy's DOB is 8/02/1986

[cat3]

There are pauses and lulls if you listen to the transmission, but they are not 'offline', IMO.

Their radio transmissions don't sound like police scanners where you pick up ALL the transmissions and chatter. And even if they did in Putnam County, what else could have been going on at 3:30 a.m. on a Tuesday morning?

Much different level of activity that what occurs on Friday and Saturday nights.

Again, IMO.

I haven't listened much at all to the scanner for Putnam Co,but I am familiar with scanners in general.When LE needs to have clear open communication,they will go to what they call a back channel.Even in cases of homicides,there will be long pauses for sometimes as long as an hour.A lot of times they will use cell phones to communicate so the media can't follow sensitive news or news that they need to keep from the public.
My point is that there is no way we can determine actual time when LE were communicating with each other the morning Haleigh disappeared.
There could have been long lapses that we don't know about,unless we heard it as it was actually happening.
IMO

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IIRC, they lived in Michigan then Daytona Beach for a while before moving to Satsuma. Remember Misty said she was a "city girl".

Maybe he never got caught?

ETA: How old is Tommy?

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/09/16/croslin.police.report.pdf (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/09/16/croslin.police.report.pdf)

Name. CROSLIN HANK JR
Address. 114 TYLER AVE Apt./Lot #
City. SATSUMA State. FLORIDA Zip. 32189
Place of Emplov School: UNEMPLOYED
Race. WHITE Ethnicity. NOT OF HISPANIC ORIGIN Sex. Male DaB. 8/2/1986 Age: 23

JMO