1/14 - 1/17

[ellegna]

Good morning everyone :seeya:

New day. New thread

Countdown for fraud trial - 11 days

[Scampi]

Bringing this post over:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lynn Gweeny http://boards.insessiontrials.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13786231#post13786231)
Posted at Websleuths re: Andrea Lyon appearing on a podcast and local radio show in Chicago. The first 3 posts explain why the radio broadcast "is an interview to listen to".

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93958


Lynn, thank you so much for the link. There is a wealth of information there about lyon and imo she is even more slimey then I thought she was. I particularly liked this little tidbit from her:

"Make sure you have "mom" on your side because if she isn't, you aren't going to be able to get your client to do what you want them to do like taking a deal or what you think they need to do."

Good luck andrea!!!

Off to read some more.

Morning everyone.

Great idea for that COUNTDOWN Canada!!!! :thumbup:

[ellegna]

Aw shucks. TY :blushing:

[Kathlb]

Morning everyone!

Yeah, good luck on getting Cindy on your side AL. :-) Cindy is on Cindy's side and Casey doesn't care a whit what Cindy wants anyway. :tongueside:

[Pruddennce]

brought over....

Scampi, my money is on Mark Hawkins and has been for a long time :sneaky:

BUT there's the flip side; why was Casey planning to visit Mark in CA, after Caylee was already dead? What would be the benefit to Casey, in that scenario?

Would Casey tell him that Caylee was kidnapped/missing? and try to get him to buy in to -- what? I draw blanks on this.

crimeq, we have not seen Mark H's statement. however, we did read a short blurb in LE's investigative notes that Casey was in contact with Mark H's ALOT during this period. Mark H's told LE that Casey was planning a trip to california.

IMO, his testimony is going to be damaging.

I believe she was working on him to assist her monetarily in order to make the trip. I further believe that she was telling him her mother was taking Caylee away from her. once she got to California, she would tell him its a done deal, Cindy has her. She would tell Cindy Caylee was with her.

we have not seen his mother's statement either. once again, a short blurb in the investigative notes that she saw Casey at target during the 31 day period. she behaved happy and 'normal'.

IMO the 'the thing she had to tell him' was that her mother took Caylee away from her. she would need to present a dramatic story (lie) to him order to get him to help her leave the state.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[ellegna]

brought over....



crimeq, we have not seen Mark H's statement. however, we did read a short blurb in LE's investigative notes that Casey was in contact with Mark H's ALOT during this period. Mark H's told LE that Casey was planning a trip to california.

IMO, his testimony is going to be damaging.

I believe she was working on him to assist her monetarily in order to make the trip. I further believe that she was telling him her mother was taking Caylee away from her. once she got to California, she would tell him its a done deal, Cindy has her. She would tell Cindy Caylee was with her.

we have not seen his mother's statement either. once again, a short blurb in the investigative notes that she saw Casey at target during the 31 day period. she behaved happy and 'normal'.

IMO the 'the thing she had to tell him' was that her mother took Caylee away from her. she would need to present a dramatic story (lie) to him order to get him to help her leave the state.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

bbm

I believe that too. That plan could have worked if Casey headed to Calif but would not tell Cindy where she would be. Any communication between them would be via cell phone. I could even picture them getting into a fight where Casey says to Cindy you'll never hear from us again.
Thank Heaven Casey messed up along the way and the scenario played out differently

[trich]

brought over....



crimeq, we have not seen Mark H's statement. however, we did read a short blurb in LE's investigative notes that Casey was in contact with Mark H's ALOT during this period. Mark H's told LE that Casey was planning a trip to california.

IMO, his testimony is going to be damaging.

I believe she was working on him to assist her monetarily in order to make the trip. I further believe that she was telling him her mother was taking Caylee away from her. once she got to California, she would tell him its a done deal, Cindy has her. She would tell Cindy Caylee was with her.

we have not seen his mother's statement either. once again, a short blurb in the investigative notes that she saw Casey at target during the 31 day period. she behaved happy and 'normal'.

IMO the 'the thing she had to tell him' was that her mother took Caylee away from her. she would need to present a dramatic story (lie) to him order to get him to help her leave the state.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

I have thought the exact same thing from the first time we heard
about the phone call to Mark ...I am convinced she was planning
on leaving Florida and needed him to send her a plane ticket.
I have believed also that she would tell him she left Caylee with Cindy and of course she would tell Cindy Caylee was with her.
I also believe if another day or two had gone by without the car being
found she would have been on a plane if she had been able to get the money to do so.
Mark might have told her no as to providing her a plane ticket and
no to her moving in with him guess we will find out at trial.
But either way Mark ought to consider himself a very lucky man. IMO

[Sun]

Bringing this post over:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lynn Gweeny http://boards.insessiontrials.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13786231#post13786231)
Posted at Websleuths re: Andrea Lyon appearing on a podcast and local radio show in Chicago. The first 3 posts explain why the radio broadcast "is an interview to listen to".

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93958


Lynn, thank you so much for the link. There is a wealth of information there about lyon and imo she is even more slimey then I thought she was. I particularly liked this little tidbit from her:

"Make sure you have "mom" on your side because if she isn't, you aren't going to be able to get your client to do what you want them to do like taking a deal or what you think they need to do."

Good luck andrea!!!

Off to read some more.

Morning everyone.

Great idea for that COUNTDOWN Canada!!!! :thumbup:

BBM
Whew! After listening to those interviews at that link, I'm now reading an article written by Lyon that is about another case. It appears to have been an effort of Law Students and Lyon to appeal a killer's conviction/sentence. 50 page article, and it is going to take a while for me to get through it.

http://www.law.depaul.edu/centers_institutes/cjcc/pdf/juanita_thomas.pdf

[Sun]

Beginning on page 17, the killer tells her story. Oh my! I'm at a loss for words. I really didn't think that my opinion of Lyon could sink any lower, but I feel it slipping lower and lower with each word that I read.

[Sun]

"If there is one thing I have learned from representing people in trouble it is that you must have the trust and aid of your client to accomplish anything" ....says Lyon (page 25).

Anyone here think that Lyon is getting "aid from Casey"?

[read-in]

"If there is one thing I have learned from representing people in trouble it is that you must have the trust and aid of your client to accomplish anything" ....says Lyon (page 25).

Anyone here think that Lyon is getting "aid from Casey"?

Im not sure what casey has to provide, all she can do is LIE!!!

[BettyC]

"If there is one thing I have learned from representing people in trouble it is that you must have the trust and aid of your client to accomplish anything" ....says Lyon (page 25).

Anyone here think that Lyon is getting "aid from Casey"?

Aid from Casey is impossible IM. She lies so much, who would believe anything she says?

Another frightening part of the above link is the way they go out and interview former jurors, looking for anything to get an appeal.

I know the judge normally tells the jurors they do NOT have to speak to anyone. I'd take that advice.

[Sun]

Aid from Casey is impossible IM. She lies so much, who would believe anything she says?

Another frightening part of the above link is the way they go out and interview former jurors, looking for anything to get an appeal.

I know the judge normally tells the jurors they do NOT have to speak to anyone. I'd take that advice.

I sometimes wonder if Lyon is taking on this case because she cares little if Casey is convicted, but does care about being able to use the conviction to spew her "feelings" on the death penalty. I'm getting the impression that students are working on this case, and that really makes me wonder about the education that those students are receiving. Surely this is not a case that would be normal to use as a teaching experience for students from Illinois. Seems to me that Lyon is using Casey, using the law students, using the school (and their funding), to further her quest to abolish the death penalty.

[haveaniceday]

There is a new article from
Thehinkymeter.com

[kakax]

Aid from Casey is impossible IM. She lies so much, who would believe anything she says?

Another frightening part of the above link is the way they go out and interview former jurors, looking for anything to get an appeal.

I know the judge normally tells the jurors they do NOT have to speak to anyone. I'd take that advice.


Interesting though...a case was appealed successfully just recently of a guy who was convicted of drowning his wife in the bathtub. A juror came back after the verdict and said that another juror had done an experiment on their own and reported it to the group.

I actually think it was the right thing to do because I didn't think they had enough evidence to say he was guilty.

I don't want a jury that isn't going to do their job correctly. Rather have them interviewed and everything be above board than have her get another trial because of juror misconduct!

I think you are right, they don't have to talk. Mickey Sherman, in his book, says he never interviews the jury if they convicted his client because he doesn't want to hear how he failed. He only interviews jurors when he wins, so he can see what he did right. I guess all attorneys are different.

[BettyC]

I sometimes wonder if Lyon is taking on this case because she cares little if Casey is convicted, but does care about being able to use the conviction to spew her "feelings" on the death penalty. I'm getting the impression that students are working on this case, and that really makes me wonder about the education that those students are receiving. Surely this is not a case that would be normal to use as a teaching experience for students from Illinois. Seems to me that Lyon is using Casey, using the law students, using the school (and their funding), to further her quest to abolish the death penalty.

From reading the article, it seems that using students is common for her.

http://www.law.depaul.edu/centers_institutes/cjcc/pdf/juanita_thomas.pdf

(We know Jose used his students also.) Cheap labor I guess plus it gives them something to add to their resumes.

[BettyC]

Interesting though...a case was appealed successfully just recently of a guy who was convicted of drowning his wife in the bathtub. A juror came back after the verdict and said that another juror had done an experiment on their own and reported it to the group.

I actually think it was the right thing to do because I didn't think they had enough evidence to say he was guilty.

I don't want a jury that isn't going to do their job correctly. Rather have them interviewed and everything be above board than have her get another trial because of juror misconduct!

I think you are right, they don't have to talk. Mickey Sherman, in his book, says he never interviews the jury if they convicted his client because he doesn't want to hear how he failed. He only interviews jurors when he wins, so he can see what he did right. I guess all attorneys are different.

I agree kakax. I don't want any jury problems in this case. (Or any case.)

[Elvish2]

I sometimes wonder if Lyon is taking on this case because she cares little if Casey is convicted, but does care about being able to use the conviction to spew her "feelings" on the death penalty. I'm getting the impression that students are working on this case, and that really makes me wonder about the education that those students are receiving. Surely this is not a case that would be normal to use as a teaching experience for students from Illinois. Seems to me that Lyon is using Casey, using the law students, using the school (and their funding), to further her quest to abolish the death penalty.

In my opinion, Lyons is only about herself and her statistics...period! Just one more media chaser using lil Caylee for "fame & profit":thumbdown:

[trich]

In my opinion, Lyons is only about herself and her statistics...period! Just one more media chaser using lil Caylee for "fame & profit":thumbdown:

I agree!
I also believe she just wants to be the one responsible for abolishing the Death Penalty and not necessarily because she does not believe in
it.
I think she is all about herself and that she will do anything she can
get away with to achieve fame and fortune.
I am personally of the opinion that she is getting a worse reputation
then she already might have had.....I think she comes off as a liar and very superficial as a caring person.

[Sun]

From reading the article, it seems that using students is common for her.

http://www.law.depaul.edu/centers_institutes/cjcc/pdf/juanita_thomas.pdf

(We know Jose used his students also.) Cheap labor I guess plus it gives them something to add to their resumes.

Lyon appears to like to skew details in order to support "her theory" and seems to at times even add in a few things just to bolster "her theory." Very much like a liar would do, is my impression. ...I'm now understanding a bit better why I've felt like she was making things up or lying, when arguing a Motion in front of Judge Strickland. I'm still not completely through this article, but it's a good example of the style that Lyon uses. Disgusting, is my other word for it. :mad:

[oswald]

bbm

I believe that too. That plan could have worked if Casey headed to Calif but would not tell Cindy where she would be. Any communication between them would be via cell phone. I could even picture them getting into a fight where Casey says to Cindy you'll never hear from us again.
Thank Heaven Casey messed up along the way and the scenario played out differently

You guys don't think that with Casey disappearing to CA with a new identity (i.e. fake ID in her wallet and Amy's resume and bank/social sercurity info in her backpack) that when Casey dumped the car and the smell, she was hoping to be gone - then Cindy and George and her friends would think she and Caylee had met their demise? Or kidnapped? Casey would be gone, but when they would find Caylee with the duct tape, etc. LE would think that they were kidnapped and since Caylee was gone maybe Casey met that same end?

Then Casey would be free and clear, living it up in CA

[oswald]

Aid from Casey is impossible IM. She lies so much, who would believe anything she says?

Another frightening part of the above link is the way they go out and interview former jurors, looking for anything to get an appeal.

I know the judge normally tells the jurors they do NOT have to speak to anyone. I'd take that advice.

It's hard not to talk to other jurors - we couldn't talk about anything, and your just dying to share notes - instead it was all surface talk - but when we got into the jury room - boy oh boy we were enegizer bunnies, talk talk talk talk

First a vote, then talk, then a vote, then talk - I'm glad I had the experience

[Sun]

Which of these three things will Lyon attempt to argue in Casey's case?

1. Prosecutorial misconduct in inviting the jury to conduct their own investigation.
2. Destruction of exculpatory evidence that would have proven the defendant was telling the truth
3. Ineffective assistance of both trial and appellate counsel for not realizing that the defense has been sabotaged.

[Sun]

Lyon is kicking off the release of “Angel on Death Row: My Life as a Death Penalty Defense Lawyer,” with several appearances around the country. According to her website, the book is “the story of the first woman in the nation to serve as lead attorney on a death penalty case.”

Chicago
Jan 14- 6:00 p.m.
Flossmoor Public Library
1000 Sterling Ave.
Flossmoor, IL 60411

Jan 20- 6:00 p.m.
Barnes and Noble
Introduction by DePaul President the Rev. Dennis H. Holtschneider, C.M.
1 East Jackson Blvd.
Chicago, IL 60614

[Lynx]

Which of these three things will Lyon attempt to argue in Casey's case?

1. Prosecutorial misconduct in inviting the jury to conduct their own investigation.
2. Destruction of exculpatory evidence that would have proven the defendant was telling the truth
3. Ineffective assistance of both trial and appellate counsel for not realizing that the defense has been sabotaged.

Does she have grounds for any of them?:ohmy:

[Sun]

Does she have grounds for any of them?:ohmy:

1. Prosecutorial misconduct in inviting the jury to conduct their own investigation. (I'm still pondering this one)

2. Destruction of exculpatory evidence that would have proven the defendant was telling the truth (was the Spoliation Motion meant to cover this?)

3. Ineffective assistance of both trial and appellate counsel for not realizing that the defense has been sabotaged. ...this one is probably going to be addresses way down the line, after Casey is convicted. (though I suppose that Lyon could try to use something in regards to the way that Baez has already used the media during the early stages of this case)

[Sun]

Lyon has a book thingy in Chicago Jan 20- 6:00 p.m. at Barnes and Noble. Casey has a Jan 21-10:00 a.m. Status/Pre-Trial Hearing in Orlando. I wonder which flight Lyon will take to get from Chicago to Orlando?

[Spots™]

Lyon is kicking off the release of “Angel on Death Row: My Life as a Death Penalty Defense Lawyer,” with several appearances around the country. According to her website, the book is “the story of the first woman in the nation to serve as lead attorney on a death penalty case.”

Chicago
Jan 14- 6:00 p.m.
Flossmoor Public Library
1000 Sterling Ave.
Flossmoor, IL 60411

Jan 20- 6:00 p.m.
Barnes and Noble
Introduction by DePaul President the Rev. Dennis H. Holtschneider, C.M.
1 East Jackson Blvd.
Chicago, IL 60614

Jan 21 - 10:00 a.m
Pre-trial hearing.

Either she has reservations on the redeye to Orlando, or we can infer which event she thinks is more important.

[cassidy]

Jan 21 - 10:00 a.m
Pre-trial hearing.

Either she has reservations on the redeye to Orlando, or we can infer which event she thinks is more important.

Is she involved in the fraud case or just the murder case? (Either way I think I'd be there but then I'm not trying to sell a book).

JMO

[puzzler]

Which of these three things will Lyon attempt to argue in Casey's case?

1. Prosecutorial misconduct in inviting the jury to conduct their own investigation.
2. Destruction of exculpatory evidence that would have proven the defendant was telling the truth
3. Ineffective assistance of both trial and appellate counsel for not realizing that the defense has been sabotaged.

Number 1 we could only guess about since the jury has not even been picked yet.

Number 2 I see as a definite possiblity.

Number 3 well..............:w00t:

Good morning, all.:smile:

[Lynx]

1. Prosecutorial misconduct in inviting the jury to conduct their own investigation. (I'm still pondering this one)

2. Destruction of exculpatory evidence that would have proven the defendant was telling the truth (was the Spoliation Motion meant to cover this?)

3. Ineffective assistance of both trial and appellate counsel for not realizing that the defense has been sabotaged. ...this one is probably going to be addresses way down the line, after Casey is convicted. (though I suppose that Lyon could try to use something in regards to the way that Baez has already used the media during the early stages of this case)

Fingers crossed none of the work!:wink:

[oswald]

Is she involved in the fraud case or just the murder case? (Either way I think I'd be there but then I'm not trying to sell a book).

JMO

I was wondering that too

[oswald]

How would the jury investigate themselves? Make their own chloroform? See if a two year old can duct tape themselves and wrapt themselves in 2 trash bags, a cloth laundry bag and walk to a wooded area?

I don't understand what kind of investigations the jury can do???

[Spots™]

Is she involved in the fraud case or just the murder case? (Either way I think I'd be there but then I'm not trying to sell a book).

JMO

I believe the Jan 21 hearing is for the murder case.

[oswald]

I believe the Jan 21 hearing is for the murder case.

Ahh thats right - the pre trial for the murder trial - Feb 1, is when the defense has to hand over that evidence that proves Casey's innocence? Didn't Lyons and Baez already say that they don't actually have evidence, it's how they are reading the states evidence?

[KTBarTheDoor]

Is she involved in the fraud case or just the murder case? (Either way I think I'd be there but then I'm not trying to sell a book).

JMO


IIRC she was going to try the check fraud case too. Why a DP attorney has to try a check fraud case is beyond me..

[Sun]

How would the jury investigate themselves? Make their own chloroform? See if a two year old can duct tape themselves and wrapt themselves in 2 trash bags, a cloth laundry bag and walk to a wooded area?

I don't understand what kind of investigations the jury can do???

Hopefully, the State will not leave any details "unanswered" or leave a jury wondering.

[kakax]

How would the jury investigate themselves? Make their own chloroform? See if a two year old can duct tape themselves and wrapt themselves in 2 trash bags, a cloth laundry bag and walk to a wooded area?

I don't understand what kind of investigations the jury can do???

They could investigate further into the evidence on their own. Some discovery we have seen inevitably won't make it in.

They could have questions they feel aren't answered and look for them in the discovery released.

They could drive themselves to where Caylee's remains were found to look to see how far it is from the house on their own. They could drive by any of the places, like Tone's apartment.

I hope that won't happen, but it has happened before!

[cassidy]

I believe the Jan 21 hearing is for the murder case.

Dang you're right. I forgot about that. She should be there then. :scared: Wonder if she'll show. Maybe if one is not paying one only gets limited access to AL?

JMO

[spydernweb2006]

Which of these three things will Lyon attempt to argue in Casey's case?

1. Prosecutorial misconduct in inviting the jury to conduct their own investigation.
2. Destruction of exculpatory evidence that would have proven the defendant was telling the truth
3. Ineffective assistance of both trial and appellate counsel for not realizing that the defense has been sabotaged.

I have faith in the Prosection and Judge Strickland that they will make sure the jury knows the guideline about conducting their own investigations. I remember in the Scott Peterson trial this became an issue when the jurors got in the boat and rocked it.

JMHO

hugs,
Spyder

[adair]

bbm

I believe that too. That plan could have worked if Casey headed to Calif but would not tell Cindy where she would be. Any communication between them would be via cell phone. I could even picture them getting into a fight where Casey says to Cindy you'll never hear from us again.
Thank Heaven Casey messed up along the way and the scenario played out differently



Probably what messed this plan up was the smell in the car.....otherwise she would have stole the $ from Amy and used that for gas to get her to CA.

o/t I have not been online for a couple of days...our house was broken into, laptops stolen, verizon aircard gone, along with $ and jewelry. So i am hoping that someone can catch me up if I missed anything. I bought a little netbook to use while we figure out the insurance stuff.
They caught the guys, three young ones...in their early 20's. They have not recovered any of our stuff yet. Sorry but i had to share.

[court~critic1®]

21 Jan.2010=====pretrial hearing==10am

Fraud Trial===Judge Strickland===10am

http://humbleopinionforum.net/calendar-of-upcoming-events/


Haven't heard if this has changed or not.


Hello all! safe one. :seeya:

[Sun]

Dang you're right. I forgot about that. She should be there then. :scared: Wonder if she'll show. Maybe if one is not paying one only gets limited access to AL?

JMO

I'm guessing that the book is a big priority of Lyon's. And in the future, she'll be having another written to cover the Casey case.

I suspect that Casey may be "calling" Lyon more often that we ever imagine. Or calling and talking with Lyon's law students.

[oswald]

Probably what messed this plan up was the smell in the car.....otherwise she would have stole the $ from Amy and used that for gas to get her to CA.

o/t I have not been online for a couple of days...our house was broken into, laptops stolen, verizon aircard gone, along with $ and jewelry. So i am hoping that someone can catch me up if I missed anything. I bought a little netbook to use while we figure out the insurance stuff.
They caught the guys, three young ones...in their early 20's. They have not recovered any of our stuff yet. Sorry but i had to share.

Oh my goodness adair, I hope you guys are okay - other than feeling violated - thats terrible! I'm sorry it happened :(

[alisa31235]

I'm guessing that the book is a big priority of Lyon's. And in the future, she'll be having another written to cover the Casey case.

I suspect that Casey may be "calling" Lyon more often that we ever imagine. Or calling and talking with Lyon's law students.

I wonder if casey has told Jose or Lyon the truth about anything that happened?Does Jose still visit her often I haven`t seen a visitors log in while and does anyone know if Casey has money in her account?

[kakax]

Ya'll have probably already seen this... but in case you haven't...

Hal's blog...

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/01/casey-anthony-no-1-on-most-notorious-women-list.html/comment-page-1

Casey Anthony: No. 1 on ‘Most Notorious Women’ list
E! named her Most Notorious Woman...not mother of the year. Think Cindy will mind this little discrepancy?

[court~critic1®]

Ya'll have probably already seen this... but in case you haven't...

Hal's blog...

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/01/casey-anthony-no-1-on-most-notorious-women-list.html/comment-page-1

Casey Anthony: No. 1 on ‘Most Notorious Women’ list
E! named her Most Notorious Woman...not mother of the year. Think Cindy will mind this little discrepancy?




Just as long as she is #1 in something, is all Mrs Anthony wants. ,,,,,,,,LOL

[adair]

Ya'll have probably already seen this... but in case you haven't...

Hal's blog...

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/01/casey-anthony-no-1-on-most-notorious-women-list.html/comment-page-1

Casey Anthony: No. 1 on ‘Most Notorious Women’ list
E! named her Most Notorious Woman...not mother of the year. Think Cindy will mind this little discrepancy?


It will make GA proud......jmo

[penguinlady]

How would the jury investigate themselves? Make their own chloroform? See if a two year old can duct tape themselves and wrapt themselves in 2 trash bags, a cloth laundry bag and walk to a wooded area?

I don't understand what kind of investigations the jury can do???

I can just see one doing a "pizza experiment"!!! :scared:

IMO!
K!

[oswald]

I can just see one doing a "pizza experiment"!!! :scared:

IMO!
K!

LOL Well heck maybe we should do a round of experiments and see what we come up with!

[spydernweb2006]

From Cindy's own words,"When Casey lies She is telling the truth."


So Casey said Zanny took Caylee.


Zanny= babysitter

But we KNOW Cindy was Casey's main babysitter...

Get ready Cindy that bus is ALOT closer then you think in MY opinion....

Funny how the daughter Cindy is defending to death could be the death of Cindy's freedom....


JMHO

hugs,
Spyder

[oswald]

I wonder if casey has told Jose or Lyon the truth about anything that happened?Does Jose still visit her often I haven`t seen a visitors log in while and does anyone know if Casey has money in her account?

I seriously doubt that Casey has told anyone the truth - her fantasyworld and reality are so mixed, my guess is that she thinks her parents killed Caylee because she blames them, heck it really is their fault isn't it? They accused her of things - and who does that!

[Scampi]

Ya'll have probably already seen this... but in case you haven't...

Hal's blog...

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/01/casey-anthony-no-1-on-most-notorious-women-list.html/comment-page-1

Casey Anthony: No. 1 on ‘Most Notorious Women’ list
E! named her Most Notorious Woman...not mother of the year. Think Cindy will mind this little discrepancy?

Thanks Kakax, I agree with many of the comments after the article, it's outrageous that casey anthony should be on any list described as "Fatal Beauties."

There is absolutely nothing beautiful about this monster who murdered her daughter. IMO. :cuss:

[Sun]

Thanks Kakax, I agree with many of the comments after the article, it's outrageous that casey anthony should be on any list described as "Fatal Beauties."

There is absolutely nothing beautiful about this monster who murdered her daughter. IMO. :cuss:

BBM & EBM So true! ITA

[Lynx]

Thanks Kakax, I agree with many of the comments after the article, it's outrageous that casey anthony should be on any list described as "Fatal Beauties."

There is absolutely nothing beautiful about this monster who murdered her daughter. IMO. :cuss:

IMO it should be Fatal Females

[cassidy]

I wonder if casey has told Jose or Lyon the truth about anything that happened?Does Jose still visit her often I haven`t seen a visitors log in while and does anyone know if Casey has money in her account?

Casey?????? Tell the truth??????????? Doubt it.


JMO

[ladeebug565]

I have thought the exact same thing from the first time we heard
about the phone call to Mark ...I am convinced she was planning
on leaving Florida and needed him to send her a plane ticket.
I have believed also that she would tell him she left Caylee with Cindy and of course she would tell Cindy Caylee was with her.
I also believe if another day or two had gone by without the car being
found she would have been on a plane if she had been able to get the money to do so.Mark might have told her no as to providing her a plane ticket and
no to her moving in with him guess we will find out at trial.
But either way Mark ought to consider himself a very lucky man. IMO

Had she not been so greedy with the stolen money (purchasing bras and beer), she could have purchased a ticket; however, money burned a hole in her pocket. Also, had she been a more effective thief, she could've stolen what she needed when she needed it. Seems she only ripped off people that she knew, not strangers. What's up with that? That, in and of itself, has to be part of some kind of mental disorder.

[ladeebug565]

Lyon has a book thingy in Chicago Jan 20- 6:00 p.m. at Barnes and Noble. Casey has a Jan 21-10:00 a.m. Status/Pre-Trial Hearing in Orlando. I wonder which flight Lyon will take to get from Chicago to Orlando?

Flight delays are known to occur in Chicago in the month of January. What if she can't make it to court on Monday? Is that cause for a delay?

[puzzler]

Had she not been so greedy with the stolen money (purchasing bras and beer), she could have purchased a ticket; however, money burned a hole in her pocket. Also, had she been a more effective thief, she could've stolen what she needed when she needed it. Seems she only ripped off people that she knew, not strangers. What's up with that? That, in and of itself, has to be part of some kind of mental disorder.

Seems Casey wasn't so smart. She stayed in town until her mom caught up with her. Surely she knew Cindy would find her eventually. I think she was too chicken to take off alone, hence trying to set something up with the guy in California.

As for stealing only from friends. I think this was for several reasons. For one thing, it was easier. For another, even when caught, Casey would lie, lie, lie. Harder to lie if caught by LE or strangers. Notice her lies to LE didn't take long to be found out. So, safer to steal from family and friends.

JMO

[AnnieKins]

I have thought the exact same thing from the first time we heard
about the phone call to Mark ...I am convinced she was planning
on leaving Florida and needed him to send her a plane ticket.
I have believed also that she would tell him she left Caylee with Cindy and of course she would tell Cindy Caylee was with her.
I also believe if another day or two had gone by without the car being
found she would have been on a plane if she had been able to get the money to do so.
Mark might have told her no as to providing her a plane ticket and
no to her moving in with him guess we will find out at trial.
But either way Mark ought to consider himself a very lucky man. IMO

I agree with all of this, Trich et al.

It only goes to show her lack of foresight and her stupidity in thinking that this might actually work. Would Cindy never ask for pictures of Caylee as she grew up? Would no one ever request to speak with her on the phone?

This might have worked for Casey back when the world was such a huge place that people could actually get "lost", but not in this era.

It just confirms that in all things, Casey flew by the seat of her pants.

[Sun]

Flight delays are known to occur in Chicago in the month of January. What if she can't make it to court on Monday? Is that cause for a delay?

I'm kind of wondering if there is even a flight that leaves Chicago either that night, or the next morning, that would arrive in Orlando in time for the hearing? Have we any "travel agents" on this board?

[MisterGrey]

I agree with all of this, Trich et al.

It only goes to show her lack of foresight and her stupidity in thinking that this might actually work. Would Cindy never ask for pictures of Caylee as she grew up? Would no one ever request to speak with her on the phone?

This might have worked for Casey back when the world was such a huge place that people could actually get "lost", but not in this era.

It just confirms that in all things, Casey flew by the seat of her pants.
Casey could have just followed Cindy's lead and taken "random" pictures of a young girl playing in "neutral places" like shopping malls.

Since Caylee was so advanced for her years per Cindy, Casey could have sent text messages to CI Ci .......in Spanish.

[AnnieKins]

Ya'll have probably already seen this... but in case you haven't...

Hal's blog...

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/01/casey-anthony-no-1-on-most-notorious-women-list.html/comment-page-1

Casey Anthony: No. 1 on ‘Most Notorious Women’ list
E! named her Most Notorious Woman...not mother of the year. Think Cindy will mind this little discrepancy?

Not a bit. I wonder if George is still as proud of his daughter now that he's heard this?

[Lexi]

I'm kind of wondering if there is even a flight that leaves Chicago either that night, or the next morning, that would arrive in Orlando in time for the hearing? Have we any "travel agents" on this board?

Do all the lawyers have to be there for a pre-trial? I know she is the "lead counsel," but maybe she will just let Jose handle it? I don't know enough about law to know about this.

[Dovey]

Last week there was discussion if Cindy and or George smoked.
George's depo states neither ever smoked.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310228/detail.html
page 37

:tonguewag:

[damienstoy]

I'm kind of wondering if there is even a flight that leaves Chicago either that night, or the next morning, that would arrive in Orlando in time for the hearing? Have we any "travel agents" on this board?
There is a 7:40 flight that arrives at 11:20 that night... but it would be a problem getting to the airport and through security in that amount of time, I'm sure.

Earliest flight the next day wouldn't get her there on time.

[cassidy]

There is a 7:40 flight that arrives at 11:20 that night... but it would be a problem getting to the airport and through security in that amount of time, I'm sure.

Earliest flight the next day wouldn't get her there on time.

Guess she isn't planning on being there then. :shrug: Maybe she feels the Jose is (cough) capable.

JMO

[SayWhen]

Guess she isn't planning on being there then. :shrug: Maybe she feels the Jose is (cough) capable.

JMO

Maybe whoever's supporting the Anthonys lock, stock and barrel will send a private plane for her. :glare:

[damienstoy]

Guess she isn't planning on being there then. :shrug: Maybe she feels the Jose is (cough) capable.

JMO

I'm certain she believes he's capable of getting her convicted all by himself. After all, were Casey to be found not guilty, there would be no audience for her heartfelt plea for leniency, nor for her (I imagine) many interviews on the evils of the death penalty.

[shelkobe]

Popping in... hello everyone. So is there a hearing this Monday?

[shelkobe]

21 Jan.2010=====pretrial hearing==10am

Fraud Trial===Judge Strickland===10am

http://humbleopinionforum.net/calendar-of-upcoming-events/


Haven't heard if this has changed or not.


Hello all! safe one. :seeya:
Oops, I missed this before I posted.

[AnnieKins]

Last week there was discussion if Cindy and or George smoked.
George's depo states neither ever smoked.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310228/detail.html
page 37

:tonguewag:

Well, that means its true. :rolleyes: Or not.

[Kathlb]

Which of these three things will Lyon attempt to argue in Casey's case?

1. Prosecutorial misconduct in inviting the jury to conduct their own investigation.
2. Destruction of exculpatory evidence that would have proven the defendant was telling the truth
3. Ineffective assistance of both trial and appellate counsel for not realizing that the defense has been sabotaged.

I don't like a single one of them!! :sad:

[Sun]

There is a 7:40 flight that arrives at 11:20 that night... but it would be a problem getting to the airport and through security in that amount of time, I'm sure.

Earliest flight the next day wouldn't get her there on time.

Thanks so much for this info. Now we can just wait and see how she handles this.

[Katprint]

Do all the lawyers have to be there for a pre-trial? I know she is the "lead counsel," but maybe she will just let Jose handle it? I don't know enough about law to know about this.
LKB and Baez ought to be able to handle a pre-trial hearing. Normally, the pre-trial hearing simply involves setting a trial date but I'm not sure if the court will also hear whatever other lingering motions there might be. IIRC some motions have been filed but not heard/ruled on yet. Most attorneys prefer to argue their own motions but where the attorney did not write the motion himself/herself then the additional familiarity with the subject matter is missing so perhaps it doesn't matter which attorney is present for oral argument in that situation.

Katprint
Who researches and writes her own motions as well as motions for other attorneys
Always only my own opinions

[cassidy]

I'm certain she believes he's capable of getting her convicted all by himself. After all, were Casey to be found not guilty, there would be no audience for her heartfelt plea for leniency, nor for her (I imagine) many interviews on the evils of the death penalty.

AHA! So maybe there's a method to the madness?

[Dovey]

I'm kind of wondering if there is even a flight that leaves Chicago either that night, or the next morning, that would arrive in Orlando in time for the hearing? Have we any "travel agents" on this board?

Retired

Not unless AL can get a late flight to a hub city and overnights and the hub city has a early a.m flight that gets in before 9a.m. which is hardly likely. It could be possible with a lot of research but I really doubt it.

[oswald]

Not neccesarily? - pre trial also is in regards to what evidence to allow? both the state and defense will argue about certain points of evidence - so I would assume that Lyons would want to be there

The pre-trials will start to get more heated now that they will start to argue about their evidence

LKB and Baez ought to be able to handle a pre-trial hearing. Normally, the pre-trial hearing simply involves setting a trial date but I'm not sure if the court will also hear whatever other lingering motions there might be. IIRC some motions have been filed but not heard/ruled on yet. Most attorneys prefer to argue their own motions but where the attorney did not write the motion himself/herself then the additional familiarity with the subject matter is missing so perhaps it doesn't matter which attorney is present for oral argument in that situation.

Katprint
Who researches and writes her own motions as well as motions for other attorneys
Always only my own opinions

[Scampi]

Perhaps the Angel of Death Row will phone it in.

[oswald]

Perhaps the Angel of Death Row will phone it in.

If I remember correctly the defense asked for one of their experts to phone in, cause they said they couldn't afford to bring him in

[Scampi]

IIRC, baden phoned it in during one of the previous hearings.

[Kathlb]

IIRC, baden phoned it in during one of the previous hearings.

Didn't Kobelinsky (sp) phone it in or am I thinking of another trial??

[trich]

Not a bit. I wonder if George is still as proud of his daughter now that he's heard this?

Well IMO neither Cindy or George will believe any one else but Casey is telling the truth....after all they are constantly saying someone else did it.
So using that theory no one but Casey know what they are talking
about and noone elses opinion matters.
The whole world is lying and the only truth is what Casey is saying.

Even the dumbest person in the world knows that not to be true.

[Scampi]

Didn't Kobelinsky (sp) phone it in or am I thinking of another trial??

What a memory Kath, I'm sure you are right he did.

[oswald]

Didn't Kobelinsky (sp) phone it in or am I thinking of another trial??

I think your right - I could have sworn there was someone on speaker

[Kathlb]

What a memory Kath, I'm sure you are right he did.

Too many trials for my poor ol' brain. They all start running together. :scared:

[AnnieKins]

Thank you to whomever it was who posted the link to Hal's blog. The little clip that he had concerning Caylee's case was just excellent.

Casey Anthony is going down.

[Pruddennce]

Had she not been so greedy with the stolen money (purchasing bras and beer), she could have purchased a ticket; however, money burned a hole in her pocket. Also, had she been a more effective thief, she could've stolen what she needed when she needed it. Seems she only ripped off people that she knew, not strangers. What's up with that? That, in and of itself, has to be part of some kind of mental disorder.

Ladee, I believe she stole from others, strangers, friends of friends. most young adults dont carry much cash, however, IMO, if there was a five easily lifted, they got nailed by her. a buck lying around in an open purse, she snagged it.

Casey wasnt being selective...she was an opportunist.

If she never got a bank check from grandmom, or seen one in the home, she would not have had an opportunity to steal from her.

this was NOT the first time she stole from grandmom, which simply outrages me endlessly. Caylee's second birthday: she stole a check right out of her purse from grandmom shirley to pay for Caylee's birthday items. Less than 9 months later, she is ripping shirley off again. (routing #) this family took ZERO steps to hold her accountable for criminal activity, let alone safeguard their personal assets.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

[oswald]

ladeebug565,
Casey wrote a check for beer, bras and other items she bought and paid for with a check that was not hers. Casey also wrote a check to herself-- out of a friends account-- for cash that . I doubt she (or anyone else) could pay for a ticket using a check. Pretty every place takes, cash, debit cards and credit cards only.

Plus there are inquiries if you pay for a plane ticket with cash - and one way - thats a problem now

Didn't Casey pay for her phone bill also? She lifted a check from grandpa's nursing home to pay her phone bill and a new phone - how on earth did she pay for her phone before that? You miss one month your cut off. Did she use Cindy and Georges Visa/MC? Was that when she forged a deposit slip?

[farrahrani]

Yes oswald, I forgot about the cash and one way ticket rules at airports. I bet Casey used her parents charge cards. Remember way back months ago it was posted that Cindy was protective of her charge card receipts.

There were specific JC Penney receipts that LE requested that she never turned in, using different excuses...she gave them to Lee, they weren't important because there was nothing on them that she thought was relevent, you name it.

I don't think it was just Casey using the cards, Cindy would no doubt say Casey had her permission. IMO, there was something specific purchased on those receipts she did not want LE to see. Speculation ran on this board about a possible replacement blanket for the missing one found with the baby's remains.

[oswald]

I don't know if Cindy turned those bills/receipts to LE yet - I wonder if it was part of the suponea that Cindy turned over paperwork the very last day - and then Conway came on camera saying that the paperwork was not essential and it took Cindy months to put it all together

Yeah right - I've got beach front property in Arizona to sell anyone that believes this carp!

[puzzler]

Thanks for the info. Ahhh yes the JC Penney receipts.

Well, part of the problem LE had was that Cindy just wanted to give them receipts when they wanted her statement. She wanted to chose what info they got. Suspicious. Hopefully, she finally had to turn over the statements. If not, I am sure LE got them from Penneys.

ETA She kept spouting off about how she kept trying to give them the receipts and they wouldn't take them. She was trying to make LE look bad, as usual. I think she said Lee gave them to Baez.

JMO

[puzzler]

I wonder if LE found anything interesting on the laptop that Lee went to Tony's to pick up. I feel sure he deleted stuff on there, but what and why? How much did Casey tell him in the garage that night? Or what kind of bs did she feed him to convince him to delete stuff off the laptop?

There are many things like this that I wonder about.

Has it come out in a doc dump and I missed it?

:confused:

[Bette]

I wonder if LE found anything interesting on the laptop that Lee went to Tony's to pick up. I feel sure he deleted stuff on there, but what and why? How much did Casey tell him in the garage that night? Or what kind of bs did she feed him to convince him to delete stuff off the laptop?

There are many things like this that I wonder about.

Has it come out in a doc dump and I missed it?

:confused:

I don't think so, Puzz, unless I missed it, too. Sometimes I think I am on overload with this case because I've taken in so much information over such a long time, and then the lies, er, mistruths/half-truths confused things, also. Sometimes I have to think hard to remember what's true and what isn't.

[Dovey]

ladeebug565,
Casey wrote a check for beer, bras and other items she bought and paid for with a check that was not hers. Casey also wrote a check to herself-- out of a friends account-- for cash that she cashed at a bank . I doubt Casey (or anyone else) could pay for a ticket using a check. Pretty much all places of business take cash, debit cards and credit cards only.

Was that the check Casey wrote and then Cindy helped herself to the change off of Amy's account?

[Dovey]

I wonder if LE found anything interesting on the laptop that Lee went to Tony's to pick up. I feel sure he deleted stuff on there, but what and why? How much did Casey tell him in the garage that night? Or what kind of bs did she feed him to convince him to delete stuff off the laptop?

There are many things like this that I wonder about.

Has it come out in a doc dump and I missed it?

:confused:

Could LE get copies of deleted emails from Yahoo? Or are they deleted forever?

[mickeymb35]

Could LE get copies of deleted emails from Yahoo? Or are they deleted forever?

I heard that nothing is deleted forever.

[puzzler]

Could LE get copies of deleted emails from Yahoo? Or are they deleted forever?

I am not sure about that. And would they still be on the computer where the computer forensics guy could find them? I am not a computer expert. My DH might know about the yahoo email and how that works. I will try and remember to ask him when he gets home.

:smile:

[puzzler]

I heard that nothing is deleted forever.

At least not until the computer runs out of space and deleted files are overwritten. This rarely happens with computers now with so much space on the harddrive. This is how I understand it anyway.

[jammies]

Had she not been so greedy with the stolen money (purchasing bras and beer), she could have purchased a ticket; however, money burned a hole in her pocket. Also, had she been a more effective thief, she could've stolen what she needed when she needed it. Seems she only ripped off people that she knew, not strangers. What's up with that? That, in and of itself, has to be part of some kind of mental disorder.

She was way too lazy to purchase a ticket even if she had the money. She lived in moment and flew by the seat of her pants. She kept all sorts of guys "hanging", always had someone else on the line in case her current relationship didn't work out.
She was like Scarlett O'hara, IMO. "I'll think about it tomorrow". Even when under the light bulb with LE she showed no signs of distress. She thought they would just take her lies as truth and that would be that. She could have flown the coop when Cindy called 911. Even that was too much effort!

Her stealing didn't seem to affect her either even after being caught. Fiddle de de. She really didn't care what anyone thought of her as she would just move on to the next new friend, boyfriend.

The only thing she put ANY energy into was texting. She liked to yak but never followed through on any plans but for partying.

[puzzler]

I don't think so, Puzz, unless I missed it, too. Sometimes I think I am on overload with this case because I've taken in so much information over such a long time, and then the lies, er, mistruths/half-truths confused things, also. Sometimes I have to think hard to remember what's true and what isn't.

Me and you both. I really wish I had kept everything organized somehow instead of trying to rely on my memory so much and searching for things going all the way back to 2008.:unsure:

[Lynx]

Me and you both. I really wish I had kept everything organized somehow instead of trying to rely on my memory so much and searching for things going all the way back to 2008.:unsure:

I feel the same way!:smile:

[cassidy]

There were specific JC Penney receipts that LE requested that she never turned in, using different excuses...she gave them to Lee, they weren't important because there was nothing on them that she thought was relevent, you name it.

I don't think it was just Casey using the cards, Cindy would no doubt say Casey had her permission. IMO, there was something specific purchased on those receipts she did not want LE to see. Speculation ran on this board about a possible replacement blanket for the missing one found with the baby's remains.

If the purchases were on a JC Penny's or other charge card the records can (and most likely were) obtained with a warrant. Whatever Cindy didn't want LE to know, they probably DO know by now.

JMO

[Katprint]

I think your right - I could have sworn there was someone on speaker
I recall Lyons listening in on the speakerphone for at least one of the Anthony depositions.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[puzzler]

She was way too lazy to purchase a ticket even if she had the money. She lived in moment and flew by the seat of her pants. She kept all sorts of guys "hanging", always had someone else on the line in case her current relationship didn't work out.
She was like Scarlett O'hara, IMO. "I'll think about it tomorrow". Even when under the light bulb with LE she showed no signs of distress. She thought they would just take her lies as truth and that would be that. She could have flown the coop when Cindy called 911. Even that was too much effort!

Her stealing didn't seem to affect her either even after being caught. Fiddle de de. She really didn't care what anyone thought of her as she would just move on to the next new friend, boyfriend.

The only thing she put ANY energy into was texting. She liked to yak but never followed through on any plans but for partying.

BBM That is it exactly imo. Shows she was not so smart. She thought they would buy her kidnapping story without question. When they started asking the who's, why's and where's she was not as prepared as she thought.

JMO

[Sun]

Me and you both. I really wish I had kept everything organized somehow instead of trying to rely on my memory so much and searching for things going all the way back to 2008.:unsure:

I miss desmom. :wub: I enjoyed her "a year ago today" postings with links. It sure helped my memory recharge on the little details.

[puzzler]

I recall Lyons listening in on the speakerphone for at least one of the Anthony depositions.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

She was. I remember it. They lost the connection with her a few times and would have to stop to get her back on.

[Bette]

Me and you both. I really wish I had kept everything organized somehow instead of trying to rely on my memory so much and searching for things going all the way back to 2008.:unsure:

Fortunately, other posters here usually have the straight scoop when I don't. It makes me laugh sometimes how Casey managed to make the fictional character, Zanny the Nanny, almost come to life. We talk about Zanny as if she ever truly existed, and yet we all know she didn't.

[puzzler]

Fortunately, other posters here usually have the straight scoop when I don't. It makes me laugh sometimes how Casey managed to make the fictional character, Zanny the Nanny, almost come to life. We talk about Zanny as if she ever truly existed, and yet we all know she didn't.

The posters on here are GREAT about providing the info and links to back it up!!!! I try, but don't hold a candle to some of the FLABULOUS ones here.:wub:


ETA Yes, although Zanny is a figment of Casey's imagination, she gave us so much to work with!

[Dovey]

I am not sure about that. And would they still be on the computer where the computer forensics guy could find them? I am not a computer expert. My DH might know about the yahoo email and how that works. I will try and remember to ask him when he gets home.

:smile:

I'm not sure either but I think Lee said all Casey's yahoo mail were deleted prior to July 15th and I wondered if they are totally erased off the persons computer but not off of Yahoo's equiptment?
IMO as no link to Lee saying that just what I remember.

[puzzler]

Just an FYI.

Andrea Lyon was on Skype (video phone) for George's state depo.

[oswald]

I'm not sure either but I think Lee said all Casey's yahoo mail were deleted prior to July 15th and I wondered if they are totally erased off the persons computer but not off of Yahoo's equiptment?
IMO as no link to Lee saying that just what I remember.

No Yahoo keeps it forever - just like Facebook, Hotmail, etc.

It takes an act of God to get anything from online mail services - I know of stories where people just wanted to close accounts because the person has died and they weren't allowed to because they would have to talk to that person - but they were dead! There had to be a court order, then enforced by the court which Yahoo, for one, wouldn't abide by because they would go into appeals.

I'm hoping that with a suponoa, that LE was allowed to get this information, they would have to go through the CA court system

[Dovey]

If some of us can't remember everything it's what the defense hopes from witnesses and delaying a trial will have lots of "I don't recalls or remember"

ETA
Sorry my spelling is off, ripping off 22 yr old wallcoverings and reading and posting is 3 things at one time...forgive me!

[farrahrani]

I'm not sure either but I think Lee said all Casey's yahoo mail were deleted prior to July 15th and I wondered if they are totally erased off the persons computer but not off of Yahoo's equiptment?
IMO as no link to Lee saying that just what I remember.


Can't vouch for yahoo, BUT short of taking a sledgehammer to your harddrive it's almost impossible to truly delete anything. FBI computer forensics are truly amazing these days. There are even programs for the novice computer layman to purchase which will undelete things you delete by accident.
I doubt emails were saved to the harddrive it's just easier to view them online, IMO. I would love to know if anyone has the inside scoop on Yahoo's deleting practices.

If the emails were simply sent to her trash basket, and the trashbasket not emptied they'd be there. After the trash basket is emptied, I have no clue.

[puzzler]

I'm not sure either but I think Lee said all Casey's yahoo mail were deleted prior to July 15th and I wondered if they are totally erased off the persons computer but not off of Yahoo's equiptment?
IMO as no link to Lee saying that just what I remember.

I remember Lee saying this also. I don't know if they would still be on the computer or not. Can't get a satifsactory answer from DH. LOL I don't think he understood my question. Sometimes it's like we speak different languages.:w00t:

[Dovey]

Just an FYI.

Andrea Lyon was on Skype (video phone) for George's state depo.

Thanks I'm re reading it today but only on Page 164. I'm surprised how much more I get from it than the 1st time. Next I will re read Cindy's and Lee's.

[Lynx]

No Yahoo keeps it forever - just like Facebook, Hotmail, etc.

It takes an act of God to get anything from online mail services - I know of stories where people just wanted to close accounts because the person has died and they weren't allowed to because they would have to talk to that person - but they were dead! There had to be a court order, then enforced by the court which Yahoo, for one, wouldn't abide by because they would go into appeals.

I'm hoping that with a suponoa, that LE was allowed to get this information, they would have to go through the CA court system

Oswald.....Thanks for this information I have wondered about this from the beginning. Now I am curious as to what LE really did find!

[Dovey]

Maybe a call to Yahoo would answer those questions.

[Dovey]

I believe that's the check Dovey.

so Cindy also stole Amy's money.
IMO

[puzzler]

Thanks I'm re reading it today but only on Page 164. I'm surprised how much more I get from it than the 1st time. Next I will re read Cindy's and Lee's.

Oh, my!

I bet the prosecution has people going through these with a "microscope" (pun intended) and comparing them with every other statement ever made since the beginning by this family.

I do not envy them the task, but wow won't it be great to see them confronted with all this in court!

:thumbup:

[Aunt]

so Cindy also stole Amy's money.
IMO

We know that the money Casey had was the money she had stolen from her good friend. She wrote a cheque out to herself and thats the clip we have seen of her at the bank, primping for the security camera.

Now, Cindy KNEW by then that Casey had stolen a LOT of her good friend Amy's money, YET Cindy grabbed the cash right then and there and made some comment 'I'll take THIS, its MINE'.

Would I, if in her shoes, give that money to Amy, the person from whom it was stolen and is likely suffering from not having her money?

Yes I definately would give it to the victim, her good friend Amy.

Cindy was wrong, morally and legally. mo

[charmin 66]

We know that the money Casey had was the money she had stolen from her good friend. She wrote a cheque out to herself and thats the clip we have seen of her at the bank, primping for the security camera.

Now, Cindy KNEW by then that Casey had stolen a LOT of her good friend Amy's money, YET Cindy grabbed the cash right then and there and made some comment 'I'll take THIS, its MINE'.

Would I, if in her shoes, give that money to Amy, the person from whom it was stolen and is likely suffering from not having her money?

Yes I definately would give it to the victim, her good friend Amy.

Cindy was wrong, morally and legally. mo

And who does that, when their granddaughter is missing, and it smell's like there's been a dead body in the damned car?

[Dovey]

We know that the money Casey had was the money she had stolen from her good friend. She wrote a cheque out to herself and thats the clip we have seen of her at the bank, primping for the security camera.

Now, Cindy KNEW by then that Casey had stolen a LOT of her good friend Amy's money, YET Cindy grabbed the cash right then and there and made some comment 'I'll take THIS, its MINE'.

Would I, if in her shoes, give that money to Amy, the person from whom it was stolen and is likely suffering from not having her money?

Yes I definately would give it to the victim, her good friend Amy.

Cindy was wrong, morally and legally. mo

I do agree with you as Cindy had already alerted Amy that Casey was a thief, Cindy knew as Casey had not been around Cindy's purse in weeks.,
But then....IT's ALL about MONEY to Cindy A.

[puzzler]

Ok. I wondered ealier why Lee deleted things on Casey's laptop.

Well, I think one thing was her yahoo email. I don't know what she told him to get him to do it, but I think I know why she wanted it deleted. She didn't want LE to see that she had NOT emailed or received email from "Zenaida" or any other of the ficticious people she was talking about. Just like her "lost" phone, she thought they wouldn't be able to prove she hadn't talked to these people since the info was lost.

JMO

[puzzler]

And who does that, when their granddaughter is missing, and it smell's like there's been a dead body in the damned car?

And she wonders why people don't like her!:ohmy:

[Dovey]

And who does that, when their granddaughter is missing, and it smell's like there's been a dead body in the damned car?

Cindy
Do I win a prize?

[nc1948]

We know that the money Casey had was the money she had stolen from her good friend. She wrote a cheque out to herself and thats the clip we have seen of her at the bank, primping for the security camera.

Now, Cindy KNEW by then that Casey had stolen a LOT of her good friend Amy's money, YET Cindy grabbed the cash right then and there and made some comment 'I'll take THIS, its MINE'.

Would I, if in her shoes, give that money to Amy, the person from whom it was stolen and is likely suffering from not having her money?

Yes I definately would give it to the victim, her good friend Amy.

Cindy was wrong, morally and legally. mo

I think the term morally bankrucpt applies to all the Anthonys.

[SayWhen]

And who does that, when their granddaughter is missing, and it smell's like there's been a dead body in the damned car?

It's another fine example of her leadership and role modeling, imo. It's all about her. Other people don't matter. She's very much the tree from which the apple fell.

[seeing_eye]

I'm kind of wondering if there is even a flight that leaves Chicago either that night, or the next morning, that would arrive in Orlando in time for the hearing? Have we any "travel agents" on this board?

Andrea Lyon is not Casey's only attorney. They'll have the hearing without her if she doesn't make it, I would think.

[oswald]

Now that you put it that way, yes, Id say Cindy stole Amy's money too. Sad isn't it? That only makes me feel more dislike for Cindy.:angry:

Yeah, I think it was reported that Cindy dumped Casey's purse on the floor - went through the wallet, took an ID and money - then turned the rest over to LE

I want to say I don't understand the A's - but I've been saying this since this started - and lets face it, we'll never understand the A's - I keep saying it, and I know better, it still amazes me, I slap my forehead and say WHAT?

then we also have to remember, another family will replace them soon

[Dovey]

I'm re reading George's depo.
So Casey text Amy she ran out of gas 2 Friday's in a row. That would be June 20 and June 27 (car was left at Amscots), so George's statement might be correct. He didn't report the thief until June 24th and he bought 2 new gas cans about 2 days prior, June 22nd maybe Casey stole them on June 20th. What day did George get the cans back from Casey? What day does Tony say they broke into the shed? Geeze I gotta go find what Tony said.

[bugout]

so Cindy also stole Amy's money.
IMO

Yup she took what was described as 200 to 250.00 cash out of casey's wallet. They have no boundaries, these people.

:eek:

[Dovey]

Yeah, I think it was reported that Cindy dumped Casey's purse on the floor - went through the wallet, took an ID and money - then turned the rest over to LE

I want to say I don't understand the A's - but I've been saying this since this started - and lets face it, we'll never understand the A's - I keep saying it, and I know better, it still amazes me, I slap my forehead and say WHAT?

then we also have to remember, another family will replace them soon

BBM
Didn't LE take what appearred to be an ID? Cindy was just after the money. Like mother, like daughter.
JMO

[Aunt]

Yup she took what was described as 200 to 250.00 cash out of casey's wallet. They have no boundaries, these people.

:eek:

We know a young person like her good friend Amy, could have used that money, which beyond a reasonable doubt was in fact hers.

That money in Caseys wallets was owned and earned by her good friend Amy.

Cindy took it. Spent it. :cursing:

[oswald]

BBM
Didn't LE take what appearred to be an ID? Cindy was just after the money. Like mother, like daughter.
JMO

Last week we were talking about the same thing - I think Casey had two id's - some think it was a Zanny ID - I think it was Amy

[Dovey]

Last week we were talking about the same thing - I think Casey had two id's - some think it was a Zanny ID - I think it was Amy

The ID has never showed up in any discovery doc's either.

We need a doc dump SA, hopefully soon.

[nc1948]

Yeah, I think it was reported that Cindy dumped Casey's purse on the floor - went through the wallet, took an ID and money - then turned the rest over to LE

I want to say I don't understand the A's - but I've been saying this since this started - and lets face it, we'll never understand the A's - I keep saying it, and I know better, it still amazes me, I slap my forehead and say WHAT?

then we also have to remember, another family will replace them soon

Wasn't Le in the room? or did they leave Cindy alone with the evidence? I don't understand why LE let this happen. But, of course, Cindy does think she is entitled.

[Dovey]

Yup she took what was described as 200 to 250.00 cash out of casey's wallet. They have no boundaries, these people.

:eek:

I think it was the $250 check minus the $50 ticket possibly. We also know Casey used another check of Amy's shortly before Cindy picked Casey up at Tony's place.

[oswald]

I'm re reading George's depo.
So Casey text Amy she ran out of gas 2 Friday's in a row. That would be June 20 and June 27 (car was left at Amscots), so George's statement might be correct. He didn't report the thief until June 24th and he bought 2 new gas cans about 2 days prior, June 22nd maybe Casey stole them on June 20th. What day did George get the cans back from Casey? What day does Tony say they broke into the shed? Geeze I gotta go find what Tony said.

According to the A's - the gas cans would have been stolen on the 22nd or 23rd - he reported it on the 24th

Casey came home on the 24th and that is when George needed the tire blocks and tried to get into the trunk of Casey's car - thats when she cursed him out, and said the infamous gas can line and gave them back to him

[Dovey]

Wasn't Le in the room? or did they leave Cindy alone with the evidence? I don't understand why LE let this happen. But, of course, Cindy does think she is entitled.

Remember this all happened about 2 -3 a.m when Lee got back from Tony's. I just wonder if LE were tired and just wanted to go home.

[oswald]

Wasn't Le in the room? or did they leave Cindy alone with the evidence? I don't understand why LE let this happen. But, of course, Cindy does think she is entitled.

I think when this happened, it was before anyone knew anything yet

[charmin 66]

I'm re reading George's depo.
So Casey text Amy she ran out of gas 2 Friday's in a row. That would be June 20 and June 27 (car was left at Amscots), so George's statement might be correct. He didn't report the thief until June 24th and he bought 2 new gas cans about 2 days prior, June 22nd maybe Casey stole them on June 20th. What day did George get the cans back from Casey? What day does Tony say they broke into the shed? Geeze I gotta go find what Tony said.

You should look at Valhall's timeline because it's so hard to keep everything straight.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?page_id=1024

[nc1948]

Remember this all happened about 2 -3 a.m when Lee got back from Tony's. I just wonder if LE were tired and just wanted to go home.

I don't blame LE. Dealing with Cindy is something I would never want to do. And I bet the first chance they got, they all went running from the room screaming. Only Cindy would pick up a purse that did not belong to her and take something out. I know it was her daughters, but her daughter was an adult, so she had no legal right to it. But Cindy does as she wants, always.

[Dovey]

You should look at Valhall's timeline because it's so hard to keep everything straight.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?page_id=1024


I will.
TY for the link.

[adair]

You should look at Valhall's timeline because it's so hard to keep everything straight.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?page_id=1024

Another site with a great time line is A Candy Rose.

jmo

[Lynx]

Another site with a great time line is A Candy Rose.

jmo

Adair....do you have a link for this site? TIA:smile:

[puzzler]

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_directory_index.htmAdair....do you have a link for this site? TIA:smile:

[Lynx]

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_directory_index.htm

Thanks Puzzler.......saved it to my favorites.:smile:

[adair]

Adair....do you have a link for this site? TIA:smile:


I see others also like this site....

[puzzler]

Thanks Puzzler.......saved it to my favorites.:smile:

The only thing I don't like is that she seems to have given up in January 2009.:sad:

[Lynx]

The only thing I don't like is that she seems to have given up in January 2009.:sad:

I noticed that too. Such a well put together site, makes you wonder why.

[puzzler]

I see others also like this site....

Yes, Adair, I do like her site. She has a lot of information and pictures, etc.

I just wish she had not stopped in January 2009. Seems she hasn't even updated the site at all since then. I hope all is well with her.

[Spots™]

I noticed that too. Such a well put together site, makes you wonder why.

Perhaps because we all know where Casey is and what she's doing now? :D

Server down.

[puzzler]

Perhaps because we all know where Casey is and what she's doing now? :D

Server down.

LOL Maybe she can't abide Baez and Lyon, et al and all the motions ad naseum.:blink:

[Lynx]

Perhaps because we all know where Casey is and what she's doing now? :D

Server down.

Who Casey? or the person who does the site?:smile:

[Bette]

I think it was the $250 check minus the $50 ticket possibly. We also know Casey used another check of Amy's shortly before Cindy picked Casey up at Tony's place.

Doesn't it boggle your mind wondering how Casey thought she'd explain all this to Amy when Amy discovered what had happened to her bank account? OR ---- did Casey think she'd be long gone to California and Mark Hawkins by the time Amy became aware of her loss?

[Lexi]

Yes, Adair, I do like her site. She has a lot of information and pictures, etc.

I just wish she had not stopped in January 2009. Seems she hasn't even updated the site at all since then. I hope all is well with her.

I have wondered why there are no updates. There have been a few document dumps, so I don't know why they aren't recorded there. I always use WFTV for my documents, but I am afraid they won't keep them for much longer. Right now they have everything.......or at least it seems that way to me.

[charmin 66]

Doesn't it boggle your mind wondering how Casey thought she'd explain all this to Amy when Amy discovered what had happened to her bank account? OR ---- did Casey think she'd be long gone to California and Mark Hawkins by the time Amy became aware of her loss?

I'd really like to know what her friends are thinking now?

[Lexi]

Doesn't it boggle your mind wondering how Casey thought she'd explain all this to Amy when Amy discovered what had happened to her bank account? OR ---- did Casey think she'd be long gone to California and Mark Hawkins by the time Amy became aware of her loss?

I think Casey thought Amy would "forgive" her.....just like her family has done for how many years? And if Amy doesn't, then Casey moves on and finds new friends.

[Bette]

Perhaps because we all know where Casey is and what she's doing now? :D

Server down.

And speaking of whom ---- I guess we'll be getting another glance at Casey in about a week. I wonder how the OC Jail has been treating 'gorgeous', and how she'll be looking.

[puzzler]

I have wondered why there are no updates. There have been a few document dumps, so I don't know why they aren't recorded there. I always use WFTV for my documents, but I am afraid they won't keep them for much longer. Right now they have everything.......or at least it seems that way to me.

Yes, it seems like it until I look for something in particular and then I go blind trying to find it.:crying:

[Lynx]

What does server down mean? TIA

I don't know noticed that in SpotsTM to me and wondered the same thing.:smile:

[charmin 66]

And speaking of whom ---- I guess we'll be getting another glance at Casey in about a week. I wonder how the OC Jail has been treating 'gorgeous', and how she'll be looking.

Do you think she'll be sporting a "new outfit"?

[crimeq]

Probably what messed this plan up was the smell in the car.....otherwise she would have stole the $ from Amy and used that for gas to get her to CA.

o/t I have not been online for a couple of days...our house was broken into, laptops stolen, verizon aircard gone, along with $ and jewelry. So i am hoping that someone can catch me up if I missed anything. I bought a little netbook to use while we figure out the insurance stuff.
They caught the guys, three young ones...in their early 20's. They have not recovered any of our stuff yet. Sorry but i had to share.

Oh Adair, so sorry about your house being burgled! It's such an invasive feeling, to be in your private space knowing someone else was there; I'm glad they caught the guys and hope you can put everything back together quickly.

[Bette]

Do you think she'll be sporting a "new outfit"?

Yes, I do. I can't imagine they'd make her wear that hideous blouse again. Don't know who's in charge of that, but hope they remember to go up a few sizes when selecting something for her. Oh, who am I kidding? I don't care how she looks!

[A4everFriend]

I have a quick question before I turn in for the night, I'm wore out tonight. My question is, in the Diary Entry that KC made speaking about she hopes the "end justifies the means", and that she'd "never been happier", and something about a "new beginning." Did they ever find out the year of that entry, I remember it had a day, but no year. So they were questioning whether or not it was recent. I DO believe it was, but if they can't prove it, do you think they will use it as evidence? I would! It's clear what she meant in that entry, and she was so nonchalant about it. Also, geeee, more questions than I thought. I heard on the news awhile back that they had lost the heart sticker that was found on the duct tape over Caylee's mouth. This was a very important part of evidence. Did they indeed lose it, or was it a rumour in the news, and if they lost it, I wonder if it was stolen, or really lost, and if they ever found it? DUHHH... a quick question... lol Sorry, and thanks ahead of time, you all are great! I appreciate all the work you all do! :biggrin:

[puzzler]

Do you think she'll be sporting a "new outfit"?

I do think she will be sporting a new outfit. Curious to see what they come up with this time.

Remember when she wore the glasses one time back in the beginning? Never seen her in any before or since. (except sunglasses)

What was up with that? Was she trying to look like a librarian?

ETA I think it was when she "turned herself in" with Baez and he gave a press conference with her standing behind him.

[Lynx]

I do think she will be sporting a new outfit. Curious to see what they come up with this time.

Remember when she wore the glasses one time back in the beginning? Never seen her in any before or since. (except sunglasses)

What was up with that? Was she trying to look like a librarian?

ETA I think it was when she "turned herself in" with Baez and he gave a press conference with her standing behind him.


BBM
Minus the glasses that attire would be more approriate for court that what she has been wearing. JMO

[AnnieKins]

Yes, I do. I can't imagine they'd make her wear that hideous blouse again. Don't know who's in charge of that, but hope they remember to go up a few sizes when selecting something for her. Oh, who am I kidding? I don't care how she looks!

If its ugly, it probably demoralizes her... so if she wears the same thing again and again, that's okay with me. I'm so mean that way.

server up

[puzzler]

I have a quick question before I turn in for the night, I'm wore out tonight. My question is, in the Diary Entry that KC made speaking about she hopes the "end justifies the means", and that she'd "never been happier", and something about a "new beginning." Did they ever find out the year of that entry, I remember it had a day, but no year. So they were questioning whether or not it was recent. I DO believe it was, but if they can't prove it, do you think they will use it as evidence? I would! It's clear what she meant in that entry, and she was so nonchalant about it. Also, geeee, more questions than I thought. I heard on the news awhile back that they had lost the heart sticker that was found on the duct tape over Caylee's mouth. This was a very important part of evidence. Did they indeed lose it, or was it a rumour in the news, and if they lost it, I wonder if it was stolen, or really lost, and if they ever found it? DUHHH... a quick question... lol Sorry, and thanks ahead of time, you all are great! I appreciate all the work you all do! :biggrin:

I don't know if they have been able to substantiate when the diary entry was written. If they can't, I wouldn't think they would use it. JMO

As to the heart sticker..I don't think they lost the sticker, but when the lab tech was dusting the tape for prints, the residue from the sticker was destroyed and is no longer on the tape.

[puzzler]

BBM
Minus the glasses that attire would be more approriate for court that what she has been wearing. JMO

You are so right. Someone needs to get a clue on the clothing. Not that I really care what she looks like, but I don't think I have ever seen a defendent so poorly dressed for court.:thumbdown:

[Bette]

If its ugly, it probably demoralizes her... so if she wears the same thing again and again, that's okay with me. I'm so mean that way.

server up

Me too, Annie. She deserves every minute of this.

[Lynx]

You are so right. Someone needs to get a clue on the clothing. Not that I really care what she looks like, but I don't think I have ever seen a defendent so poorly dressed for court.:thumbdown:

Especially in such a High Profile Case.

[A4everFriend]

I don't know if they have been able to substantiate when the diary entry was written. If they can't, I wouldn't think they would use it. JMO

As to the heart sticker..I don't think they lost the sticker, but when the lab tech was dusting the tape for prints, the residue from the sticker was destroyed and is no longer on the tape.

Ohhh ok, I've misunderstood what I heard. Thanks so much for clearing that up for me. I was really bothered by that.

[puzzler]

I am surprised the A's aren't going on a media blitz with just a week until the hearing.

Wonder who sat on them?:laugh:

[puzzler]

Ohhh ok, I've misunderstood what I heard. Thanks so much for clearing that up for me. I was really bothered by that.

No problem. :wink:

[charmin 66]

Me thinks it's one of the insessions coded anthony thread messages because no one will answer it. :blush: ;)

What do you mean?

[crimeq]

It will make GA proud......jmo

She's the daughter that would make anyone proud! George said so!

[Lexi]

I am surprised the A's aren't going on a media blitz with just a week until the hearing.

Wonder who sat on them?:laugh:

I think they just don't have anything useful to say anymore. We have all heard the "Casey is a wonderful mom" story and we all know that, in their minds, Casey couldn't do anything so awful......so.........we don't need to hear it again. Maybe the press has finally realized the public is tired of their rants??? Oh.....I can hope, can't I??? LOL

[Lynx]

Does anyone know what the status of DC and the Anthony's relationship is these days?TIA

[Lexi]

Does anyone know what the status of DC and the Anthony's relationship is these days?TIA

Not a clue....but I'll bet Cindy is nervous about it.....wondering what the heck he will spill!

[puzzler]

I think they just don't have anything useful to say anymore. We have all heard the "Casey is a wonderful mom" story and we all know that, in their minds, Casey couldn't do anything so awful......so.........we don't need to hear it again. Maybe the press has finally realized the public is tired of their rants??? Oh.....I can hope, can't I??? LOL

Truly, I think that is it. I don't think anyone wants them on their show. Hence George's pity party reading of the deep and thought provoking literary classic.:lol:

[Lynx]

Not a clue....but I'll bet Cindy is nervous about it.....wondering what the heck he will spill!

I pray daily that he will tell the truth. Surely he would not do anything to put his credibility in jepordy....since this involves his lively hood. I may be wrong.JMO

[puzzler]

Not a clue....but I'll bet Cindy is nervous about it.....wondering what the heck he will spill!

I hope he does spill it, but I am really starting to lose hope that anyone who has rubbed elbows with the A's will do the right thing.

:sad:

[seeing_eye]

I have a quick question before I turn in for the night, I'm wore out tonight. My question is, in the Diary Entry that KC made speaking about she hopes the "end justifies the means", and that she'd "never been happier", and something about a "new beginning." Did they ever find out the year of that entry, I remember it had a day, but no year. So they were questioning whether or not it was recent. I DO believe it was, but if they can't prove it, do you think they will use it as evidence? I would! It's clear what she meant in that entry, and she was so nonchalant about it. Also, geeee, more questions than I thought. I heard on the news awhile back that they had lost the heart sticker that was found on the duct tape over Caylee's mouth. This was a very important part of evidence. Did they indeed lose it, or was it a rumour in the news, and if they lost it, I wonder if it was stolen, or really lost, and if they ever found it? DUHHH... a quick question... lol Sorry, and thanks ahead of time, you all are great! I appreciate all the work you all do! :biggrin:

IIRC, they never had the actual sticker. A lab technician noticed adhesive on the tape in the shape of a heart. A sticker was found at the crime scene, but I think it was not the same size as the adhesive on the tape. They did find more heart shaped stickers at the Anthony home when they did a search. Don't know if any were the right size or not.

[Lexi]

I hope he does spill it, but I am really starting to lose hope that anyone who has rubbed elbows with the A's will do the right thing.

:sad:

You are right puzzler.......we already know that Lee, Mallory, Joy Wray, Michelle Bart, Brad Conway (who insists that there was no duct tape....."bad press" I guess), and the Milsteads will lie to kingdom come. I am quite sure we won't get a decent answer from DC either!

[puzzler]

You are right puzzler.......we already know that Lee, Mallory, Joy Wray, Michelle Bart, Brad Conway (who insists that there was no duct tape....."bad press" I guess), and the Milsteads will lie to kingdom come. I am quite sure we won't get a decent answer from DC either!

I think the only way he is going to even halfway tell the truth is if he thinks he might go to jail if he doesn't. Hasn't scared any of them enough to tell the truth so far, so........:mad:

ETA I say let us FLabs have a go at him.

[Lynx]

I think the only way he is going to even halfway tell the truth is if he thinks he might go to jail if he doesn't. Hasn't scared any of them enough to tell the truth so far, so........:mad:

ETA I say let us FLabs have a go at him.

I agree with you Puzzler. But I think it may be to the point where he is going to have to talk. JMO.

[Lexi]

Does anyone remember DC's interview with LE? It made me CRAZY! He was all over the place trying to cover. I don't think highly of Mr. Hoover, but at least he had the guts to say" Hey, if I can make a buck off this, that is my plan."

Trying to follow the Dominic story almost makes anyone's head hurt. He tried skirting around every issue and he was so vague with all of his answers.......made me want to strangle the man!

I really want to hear the truth, but I don't think Dominic is gonna cough it up!!!

[puzzler]

IIRC, they never had the actual sticker. A lab technician noticed adhesive on the tape in the shape of a heart. A sticker was found at the crime scene, but I think it was not the same size as the adhesive on the tape. They did find more heart shaped stickers at the Anthony home when they did a search. Don't know if any were the right size or not.

I don't know if the sticker found at the scene was the same sticker as on the tape. I think the report said it was "similar" in size. It did not, unfortunately, exactly match any of the stickers found at the A's house. However, I think there were pages of stickers that had been cut. We can hope that LE found these same stickers from the manufacturer and what had been cut away matched the one they found. Long shot, but hey, who knows?

[Lynx]

I don't know if the sticker found at the scene was the same sticker as on the tape. I think the report said it was "similar" in size. It did not, unfortunately, exactly match any of the stickers found at the A's house. However, I think there were pages of stickers that had been cut. We can hope that LE found these same stickers from the manufacturer and what had been cut away matched the one they found. Long shot, but hey, who knows?

Did'nt Cindy say Casey scrap booked that may also be a place to find a potenial match.......Long shot but maybe.

[puzzler]

Does anyone remember DC's interview with LE? It made me CRAZY! He was all over the place trying to cover. I don't think highly of Mr. Hoover, but at least he had the guts to say" Hey, if I can make a buck off this, that is my plan."

Trying to follow the Dominic story almost makes anyone's head hurt. He tried skirting around every issue and he was so vague with all of his answers.......made me want to strangle the man!

I really want to hear the truth, but I don't think Dominic is gonna cough it up!!!

BBM I know what you mean. Can you imagine the frustration of LE? I would have gotten fired because I would have smacked him upside the head.:cursing:

[puzzler]

Did'nt Cindy say Casey scrap booked that may also be a place to find a potenial match.......Long shot but maybe.

Good point, but if they found any match, it didn't come out in discovery. I guess it is possible that they are holding it back, but I find that unlikely.

[Lynx]

Does anyone remember DC's interview with LE? It made me CRAZY! He was all over the place trying to cover. I don't think highly of Mr. Hoover, but at least he had the guts to say" Hey, if I can make a buck off this, that is my plan."

Trying to follow the Dominic story almost makes anyone's head hurt. He tried skirting around every issue and he was so vague with all of his answers.......made me want to strangle the man!

I really want to hear the truth, but I don't think Dominic is gonna cough it up!!!

He may have to cough some of it up. The whole truth I agree with you, it's doubtful.:angry:

[Lexi]

I don't know if the sticker found at the scene was the same sticker as on the tape. I think the report said it was "similar" in size. It did not, unfortunately, exactly match any of the stickers found at the A's house. However, I think there were pages of stickers that had been cut. We can hope that LE found these same stickers from the manufacturer and what had been cut away matched the one they found. Long shot, but hey, who knows?

All that has to happen:

Question by LDB: Detective, was it proven in evidence that a heart shaped sticker was added to Caylee's picture in her mom's photobucket account?

A: Yes

Q: Detective, did you find evidence that Casey collected heart shaped stickers in her room?

A: Yes

Q: Detective, are you aware that there is residue in a heart shape on the duct tape over Caylee's mouth that the forensic scientists found?

A: Yes

GAME OVER....guilty......I pray!

[puzzler]

I wonder how long it will be after they finally talk to DC before we will hear what he had to say.

It may be that if he really does drop a bomb that we won't hear until the trial, I guess.

Anyway, hopefully the pre-trial hearing will be interesting.

I know the fraud trial will be!

I am off to read "The Lovely Bones."

Night All:smile:

[puzzler]

All that has to happen:

Question by LDB: Detective, was it proven in evidence that a heart shaped sticker was added to Caylee's picture in her mom's photobucket account?

A: Yes

Q: Detective, did you find evidence that Casey collected heart shaped stickers in her room?

A: Yes

Q: Detective, are you aware that there is residue in a heart shape on the duct tape over Caylee's mouth that the forensic scientists found?

A: Yes

GAME OVER....guilty......I pray!

I pray so, too!:thumbsup:

[Lynx]

Good Night Puzzler..............:seeya:

[Lexi]

Night all.....once again, I enjoyed the conversation here and look forward to more!

[Lynx]

Night all.....once again, I enjoyed the conversation here and look forward to more!

Night Lexi...I'm turning in too.

[kakax]

http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/index.html

Casey's #1 notorious woman story made it to front page of Wesh today. I'm waiting for a top ten notorious families series to come out!!

[Ladygator]

Fewer Florida juries voting for death — why is unclear

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/os-florida-death-sentences-20100114,0,7869005.story

[sydney]

http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/index.html

Casey's #1 notorious woman story made it to front page of Wesh today. I'm waiting for a top ten notorious families series to come out!!

mornin' ka. i think she made this list because of all the media attention. i am also kinda surprised she was included because she hasn't been proven guilty - yet.

[sydney]

(mornin ms - didn't see you there)

you know, if kc gets lwop instead of the dp, it would bug me to no end for a number of reasons - the most obvious being that she deserves to die for what she did to caylee.

the other reason is that it's very EXPENSIVE to house, clothe, feed, etc., a person serving lwop. she would, in essence, be sponging off the state like she sponged off of everyone else. that's why, when i read the article ms posted, i wondered what the heck the ECONOMY had to do with it, kwim?

[kakax]

Was reading Hinky Meter...I know it is an old article but I still found this interesting.

There has been much talk about an alleged event that was reported early on to have taken place on June 15th, 2008, but has never been confirmed. That was the day Cindy and Caylee went to Mt. Dora and visited Cindy’s mother and then her father in the nursing home. Mark Fuhrman was the the first to state Cindy and George told him of a “big fight” on the night of June 15th. Reference to this fight was made again in Richard Grund’s interview with OCSO when he stated Lee Anthony had told Jesse Grund of the fight. Jesse would later confirm this in his September 9, 2008 interview with OCSO when he stated Lee had told him of a “heated argument” in which Cindy tried to choke Casey.

Cindy, George and Lee all now deny that any such argument took place that night, but I believe the truth will come out if Cindy did, in fact, confess this to Mark Fuhrman.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/


Will Mark Fuhrman make it on the witness list for the prosecution? I know he isn't on the list now, but does anyone think he could be added? If the prosecution is going to go with the theory that the fight with Cindy was motive, don't you think they would have to call him?

[Lynx]

Fewer Florida juries voting for death — why is unclear

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/os-florida-death-sentences-20100114,0,7869005.story

Because life without parole is available, more juries may be settling for that. All states that have the death penalty have the option of life without parole, so jurors don't have to fear that a convicted killer could eventually go free, Dieter said.
(From the link posted)


Does the LWOP sentence rid the system of all the appeals that can be made with a DP conviction?

[sydney]

Cindy, George and Lee all now deny that any such argument took place that night, but I believe the truth will come out if Cindy did, in fact, confess this to Mark Fuhrman.

Will Mark Fuhrman make it on the witness list for the prosecution? I know he isn't on the list now, but does anyone think he could be added? If the prosecution is going to go with the theory that the fight with Cindy was motive, don't you think they would have to call him?

(snipped by me)

i don't think motive has to be proven anymore, ka, although i'm sure juries would prefer having a motive established. i also believe there is plenty of other motive - i.e. kc wanting to live the bella vita - so fuhrman's testimony (even if it would be admissable, and i don't think it would be) really wouldn't add anything.

[Ladygator]

(mornin ms - didn't see you there)

you know, if kc gets lwop instead of the dp, it would bug me to no end for a number of reasons - the most obvious being that she deserves to die for what she did to caylee.

the other reason is that it's very EXPENSIVE to house, clothe, feed, etc., a person serving lwop. she would, in essence, be sponging off the state like she sponged off of everyone else. that's why, when i read the article ms posted, i wondered what the heck the ECONOMY had to do with it, kwim?

The article pointed out one man who was sentence last year to die for his crimes. He killed a few people but was sentenced to death for killing a 5 yo. The article says, the killing of a child is what the dp should be for. And ITA with that! Even more so when the killer is the parent of the child.

I remain doubtful though that Casey will get a death sentence.

[kakax]

mornin' ka. i think she made this list because of all the media attention. i am also kinda surprised she was included because she hasn't been proven guilty - yet.

I'm with a lot of posters...I really wish it weren't titled with the word "beauties". She is far from beautiful.

She hasn't been convicted yet, but she certainly is notorious. Just the basic facts make her look so guilty, it is hard to believe otherwise. Let's face it, most rational people think she is guilty. I think where people differ is on how much responsibility Cindy and George have in Caylee's death or the coverup after.

I think a jury will be able to set aside any feelings they have and base their decisions on the evidence though. Not everyone has followed the case like we have.


ETA: morning syd!

[kakax]

Because life without parole is available, more juries may be settling for that. All states that have the death penalty have the option of life without parole, so jurors don't have to fear that a convicted killer could eventually go free, Dieter said.
(From the link posted)


Does the LWOP sentence rid the system of all the appeals that can be made with a DP conviction?

It is an automatic appeal if you are sentenced to death, but no doubt she will appeal if found convicted even if just sentenced LWOP. I don't know about time frames...if death penalty cases get their appeals heard more quickly or anything like that, but no it doesn't rid the system of appeals.

[Lynx]

I'm with a lot of posters...I really wish it weren't titled with the word "beauties". She is far from beautiful.

She hasn't been convicted yet, but she certainly is notorious. Just the basic facts make her look so guilty, it is hard to believe otherwise. Let's face it, most rational people think she is guilty. I think where people differ is on how much responsibility Cindy and George have in Caylee's death or the coverup after.
I think a jury will be able to set aside any feelings they have and base their decisions on the evidence though. Not everyone has followed the case like we have.


ETA: morning syd!

Morning KaKax....

I am with you! George and Cindy have done some much and said so much and misstated so much that they have almost assured a conviction for Casey. IMHO

edited to add BBM

[kakax]

(snipped by me)

i don't think motive has to be proven anymore, ka, although i'm sure juries would prefer having a motive established. i also believe there is plenty of other motive - i.e. kc wanting to live the bella vita - so fuhrman's testimony (even if it would be admissable, and i don't think it would be) really wouldn't add anything.

I guess I just want everything including the kitchen sink thrown at her during the trial. No stone left unturned. They may go with the simpler route of not proving any sort of motive, but they have some very strong evidence that there was motive, so why not use it? It couldn't damage them.

Why wouldn't his testimony be admissable? If he was told directly by Cindy that there was a fight that night, wouldn't that be admissable?

[Lynx]

It is an automatic appeal if you are sentenced to death, but no doubt she will appeal if found convicted even if just sentenced LWOP. I don't know about time frames...if death penalty cases get their appeals heard more quickly or anything like that, but no it doesn't rid the system of appeals.

So either way the cookie crumbles she will continue to cost the state of Florida MONEY......:angry:

[Ladygator]

Because life without parole is available, more juries may be settling for that. All states that have the death penalty have the option of life without parole, so jurors don't have to fear that a convicted killer could eventually go free, Dieter said.
(From the link posted)


Does the LWOP sentence rid the system of all the appeals that can be made with a DP conviction?

I'm no legal eagle but there is a difference in the appeals process between the 2 sentences.

Kat would have to explain the difference to us.

[kakax]

So either way the cookie crumbles she will continue to cost the state of Florida MONEY......:angry:

I think Lavinia provided an article a few months ago saying that death penalty convictions actually cost more than life without paroles. I don't remember why this was and maybe it has something to do with the appeals process. Maybe someone else remembers why this was. The appeals may for death penalty convictions may be required to go to a certain high court and LWOP doesn't necessarily have to go that high...I don't know.

I'm way in over my head talking about this...especially this early in the morning!!:laugh:

[kakax]

I'm no legal eagle but there is a difference in the appeals process between the 2 sentences.

Kat would have to explain the difference to us.

That's what I'm thinking too. There is some sort of difference, I just don't know what it is. Something makes the death penalty more expensive, even though you would think keeping someone in jail for the rest of their life would be more expensive.

I also remember Lavinia got the statistics from a death penalty site. Don't know if that site was for or against the death penalty, but that could affect the statistics. You can make statistics say whatever you want them to.

[Lynx]

I think Lavinia provided an article a few months ago saying that death penalty convictions actually cost more than life without paroles. I don't remember why this was and maybe it has something to do with the appeals process. Maybe someone else remembers why this was. The appeals may for death penalty convictions may be required to go to a certain high court and LWOP doesn't necessarily have to go that high...I don't know.

I'm way in over my head talking about this...especially this early in the morning!!:laugh:

LOL K......

Maybe the DP appelate costs more....I dunno either. It just bothers me that Casey does not seem to mind being behind bars! LOL (Cup of Coffe on me.....I'm on my third), and still not thinking clearly!

[sydney]

I guess I just want everything including the kitchen sink thrown at her during the trial. No stone left unturned. They may go with the simpler route of not proving any sort of motive, but they have some very strong evidence that there was motive, so why not use it? It couldn't damage them.

Why wouldn't his testimony be admissable? If he was told directly by Cindy that there was a fight that night, wouldn't that be admissable?

i'm not too sure the prosecution wants to enlarge the scope of their case, in case the jury gets confused or bored or something (it's happened before). of course, i'm not saying they WON'T either :rolleyes: like i said, i think the evidence of motive comes directly from kc's in/actions herself and nothing else would be needed.

as far as fuhrman? not sure, but for some reason hearsay keeps jumping into my head. besides, IF cindy did say this, it is a certain bet that she will recant what she said or downplay it. then again, i am so not an attorney and haven't had a drop of coffee yet.....need i say more?:tonguewag:

[BlueTurtle]

I am surprised the A's aren't going on a media blitz with just a week until the hearing.

Wonder who sat on them?:laugh:

We still have a few more days. It would be nice to see they finally have got the message that people don't believe them and could care less about their suffering.

[kakax]

LOL K......

Maybe the DP appelate costs more....I dunno either. It just bothers me that Casey does not seem to mind being behind bars! LOL (Cup of Coffe on me.....I'm on my third), and still not thinking clearly!

Thanks for the refill...only on my first cup so far!

I don't know if she doesn't mean being behind bars. I'm sure she would much prefer to be out partying, but I agree, she will adjust in prison and may actually find her niche of people to "hang" with. It's either she adjusts and finds that niche or she has a much worse fate lying ahead of her!!

[farrahrani]

lol, I bet you're right Lexi. Besides how many times and in how many ways can the A's tell us that Caylee is still MISSING?:rolleyes:
Seriousy, I think C & G will make an appearence or two before the murder trial starts.


I hope not more than a brief sound bite, or a recap of previous appearances. I just think that the media is finally beginning to see that these people have nothing to offer. Every interview they've had, they have given us no answers, lied, or skirted questions with pretended offense or illness attacks. (Cindy's infamous threat of passing out on Greta comes to mind)
Their lies have offered no insight into the case, and they lie so obviously it clouds the details of what is being reported. I'm hoping the money tree is beginning to get canker. :sad:

[sydney]

Thanks for the refill...only on my first cup so far!

I don't know if she doesn't mean being behind bars. I'm sure she would much prefer to be out partying, but I agree, she will adjust in prison and may actually find her niche of people to "hang" with. It's either she adjusts and finds that niche or she has a much worse fate lying ahead of her!!

i would bet she finishes her high school education. being locked up is the ONLY way she would do it.

where's MY cup?

[Ladygator]

That's what I'm thinking too. There is some sort of difference, I just don't know what it is. Something makes the death penalty more expensive, even though you would think keeping someone in jail for the rest of their life would be more expensive.

I also remember Lavinia got the statistics from a death penalty site. Don't know if that site was for or against the death penalty, but that could affect the statistics. You can make statistics say whatever you want them to.

Yeah, I don't know enough to really say.

Like you already said, a death sentence gets an auto appeal. That goes straight to the Supreme Court for the sole purpose of looking for trial error.

I think in other cases, the appeals are heard through an Appeals Court. And any convict has the CHOICE if he/she wishes to appeal the Circuit Courts decision.

A difference that I can see is that it is very time consuming to look through volumes of court testimony looking for 'trial error'. Than it is in a regular appeal, where a appeals attorney says, we're filing this appeal because of x, y, z. And here are the parts of the testimony we're talking about.

In a DP case, once that original, auto appeal is heard, and denied {there is no trial error}, an appeals attorney then sets out to look for things to appeal.

[Ladygator]

Another thing that makes a DP case more costly is the trial itself.

More pre-trial motions, additional attorney's, at least one being DP qualified. More expert witnesses! It all adds up. And the state is usually the one that pays for it all.

[Lynx]

Thanks for the refill...only on my first cup so far!

I don't know if she doesn't mean being behind bars. I'm sure she would much prefer to be out partying, but I agree, she will adjust in prison and may actually find her niche of people to "hang" with. It's either she adjusts and finds that niche or she has a much worse fate lying ahead of her!!

BBM

I prefer the one I bolded. IMO LOL

[Lynx]

I hope not more than a brief sound bite, or a recap of previous appearances. I just think that the media is finally beginning to see that these people have nothing to offer. Every interview they've had, they have given us no answers, lied, or skirted questions with pretended offense or illness attacks. (Cindy's infamous threat of passing out on Greta comes to mind)
Their lies have offered no insight into the case, and they lie so obviously it clouds the details of what is being reported. I'm hoping the money tree is beginning to get canker. :sad:

I hope they use Cindy's 911 call the one where she states the car smells like somethings dead been in it over and over again! I believe that is the most truthful statement that she has ever made!JMO

[Sun]

To get the full impact, I hope that the Jury gets to hear all of the 911 calls. Seems to me that Cindy is enraged that Casey is costing her money.

Audio:
First call Cindy made from sub station parking lot:
part 1: http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/0725/16988830.mp3
part 2: http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/0725/16988822.mp3

transcript: http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/7/25/transcript_of_third_911_call_from_cindy_anthony.ht ml

[Sun]

If Cindy tries to state in the trial, that Casey has never stolen money from her, this first 911 call would refute that claim.

[BJames]

Good morning to all :smile:

I just spent a while reading thru the timeline (acandyrose), I wonder if Cindy and/or George ever sit back and follow not only what has transpired...but some of the 'crazy' things that they (as a family) have said?
After reviewing the entire thing, I went thru and singled out what Cindy did and said from the beginning...wow. Her 'story' certainly 'evolved' as time went on, at one point she would swear that she knew what the answer/truth was...then she would deny it. Somewhere in there she would tell the person who was asking the question(s) that they didn't know the answer...and how dare they even ask a question...?
I would be interested to hear from Cynthia what she 'thinks' in retrospect..'cuz not all of it could be true, and most of the time there are 2 or three 'stories' used as an 'explanation'..ie/who the 'nanny' actually was/is...for a gal who didn't have a job (yes, of course she did?..LE has it wrong)...
I also wonder if Cindy has any communication with her brother Rick? It has turned out that every single thing that we have been privy to reading between their emails...he was right on the money with all of it.
It'll be interesting to find out as time goes on...I think her brother Rick could actually offer Cindy shelter from the storm..my guess would be tho that if Cindy was being true to her own form...she'll just remain angry at him..it fuels her denial.

Just my opinion of course...

[jessie]

I hope they use Cindy's 911 call the one where she states the car smells like somethings dead been in it over and over again! I believe that is the most truthful statement that she has ever made!JMO I agree with you. Truthfulness is not a top priority in that family. Lying and arrogance and agressive behavior is much more important to them. And I mean all of them including Mallory and her family. JMO

[Lynx]

Morning BJ....

Do you know who maintained the "acandyrose" site, was reading there last night too and has not been updated in a while.....just wondered why. I had never been there before last night.TIA

[Lynx]

I agree with you. Truthfulness is not a top priority in that family. Lying and arrogance and agressive behavior is much more important to them. And I mean all of them including Mallory and her family. JMO

I can't wait to see Mallory's Depo if we even get to see it before trial!

[cassidy]

I can't wait to see Mallory's Depo if we even get to see it before trial!


That's one I'd like to see too. Mallory is a bit of a wild card. We don't know much about her at all.

[Amy]

It is an automatic appeal if you are sentenced to death, but no doubt she will appeal if found convicted even if just sentenced LWOP. I don't know about time frames...if death penalty cases get their appeals heard more quickly or anything like that, but no it doesn't rid the system of appeals.

Wonder, tho, would there be less appeals allowed? I don't know how many (if there is a particular number) of appeals are allowed one with the DP--but there is some limitation as we read all the time about his appeals have run out. So, maybe there would be greater limitation on the number if the sentence is LWOP?

[puzzler]

Wonder, tho, would there be less appeals allowed? I don't know how many (if there is a particular number) of appeals are allowed one with the DP--but there is some limitation as we read all the time about his appeals have run out. So, maybe there would be greater limitation on the number if the sentence is LWOP?

I don't know about the appeals differences, but isn't one of the reasons DP is more expensive because they have to be housed on death row in private cells? Just wondering.

Good Morning, all. On my first cup, so if that was a stupid response, forgive.
:wub:

ETA Just skimmed over a few articles on dp vs lwop and dp proponents argue that it is NOT more expensive. So, I don't know.

[SandyO]

I can't wait to see Mallory's Depo if we even get to see it before trial!

It would sure be interesting to know what Mallory REALLY thinks. Because of her relationship with Lee her loyalties are slanted, but she knows the real Casey. I doubt we'll ever know what her true feelings are, but I'd love to read that Deposition, too.

[cassidy]

It would sure be interesting to know what Mallory REALLY thinks. Because of her relationship with Lee her loyalties are slanted, but she knows the real Casey. I doubt we'll ever know what her true feelings are, but I'd love to read that Deposition, too.

I think she's going along with the family. Probably doesn't want to lose her boyfriend. Most likely not an independent thinker.

JMO

[Lynx]

It would sure be interesting to know what Mallory REALLY thinks. Because of her relationship with Lee her loyalties are slanted, but she knows the real Casey. I doubt we'll ever know what her true feelings are, but I'd love to read that Deposition, too.

We have not heard much about Lee lately.......makes me wonder what is REALLY going on there. Maybe Mallory's Depo will be in the next Doc. Dump. We need one soon ! LOL

[Amy]

I think Lavinia provided an article a few months ago saying that death penalty convictions actually cost more than life without paroles. I don't remember why this was and maybe it has something to do with the appeals process. Maybe someone else remembers why this was. The appeals may for death penalty convictions may be required to go to a certain high court and LWOP doesn't necessarily have to go that high...I don't know.

I'm way in over my head talking about this...especially this early in the morning!!:laugh:

That is what I remember from readings I have done (long ago, no links.) It has to do with the fact that there are so many appeals available, and the state has to pay the entire cost.

[puzzler]

That's one I'd like to see too. Mallory is a bit of a wild card. We don't know much about her at all.

She is a bit of a wild card. While I don't foresee her purposely going against the A's, I would still love to read her depo to see if she let any goodies slip. Surely Mallory wasn't raised to lie and cover up. But, I wouldn't be surprised if she used a lot of "I don't know" and "I don't remember".:sneaky:

[Amy]

i'm not too sure the prosecution wants to enlarge the scope of their case, in case the jury gets confused or bored or something (it's happened before). of course, i'm not saying they WON'T either :rolleyes: like i said, i think the evidence of motive comes directly from kc's in/actions herself and nothing else would be needed.

as far as fuhrman? not sure, but for some reason hearsay keeps jumping into my head. besides, IF cindy did say this, it is a certain bet that she will recant what she said or downplay it. then again, i am so not an attorney and haven't had a drop of coffee yet.....need i say more?:tonguewag:

BBM

That's what comes to my mind, too. The people who told him are available to testify first hand--so would they take hearsay? Especially since all the defense has to do, is to ask Cindy or George or whomever, and those 2 would deny they ever said it, IMO.

This is what comes to mind when folk are certain that LP will be called to testify. Unless he comes up w/something else, all of what I recall hearing him spout on NG is well, Cindy told me this, George told me that. My FBI buddy said blah blah blah. These are real live people, and that testimony would be needed from them first hand.

I think it would be waste of the court's time to have these fellows on, just to have their "testimony" refuted by the people they are quoting. But, I have no legal background, either, so don't know if they could/should testify, either.:wink:

[puzzler]

We have not heard much about Lee lately.......makes me wonder what is REALLY going on there. Maybe Mallory's Depo will be in the next Doc. Dump. We need one soon ! LOL

You know, Lee said (I think in his state depo) that he would never take any money for an interview and we wouldn't see HIM on tv. I had high hopes for him until he started doing things Cindy's way. Remember him telling a friend of Casey's to tell the cops the truth and not to cover for Casey? I think maybe he hoped her friends knew what happened and it would come out through them and that way Casey would be caught but not because of the A's.

Still have no respect for him, because, just like George, he could have stood up and been honest and not been intimidated by Cindy.

Man, I think that was rambling. Need more coffee.:tongueside:

[kakax]

I don't know about the appeals differences, but isn't one of the reasons DP is more expensive because they have to be housed on death row in private cells? Just wondering.

Good Morning, all. On my first cup, so if that was a stupid response, forgive.
:wub:

ETA Just skimmed over a few articles on dp vs lwop and dp proponents argue that it is NOT more expensive. So, I don't know.

That was kind of what I was thinking...depending upon your position, you can make statistics look anyway you want them to. I assume if you go to pro death penalty sites, they will say the death penalty is less expensive and if you go to anti death penalty sites, they will say the opposite is true.

Hard to know.

[Amy]

It would sure be interesting to know what Mallory REALLY thinks. Because of her relationship with Lee her loyalties are slanted, but she knows the real Casey. I doubt we'll ever know what her true feelings are, but I'd love to read that Deposition, too.

She also knows the real Cindy, George and Lee. I am sure they probably put on some airs (George and Cindy @ least) maybe put in their company face, but if she was around them much, I am sure their true colors came shining thru!!!!

[Lynx]

You know, Lee said (I think in his state depo) that he would never take any money for an interview and we wouldn't see HIM on tv. I had high hopes for him until he started doing things Cindy's way. Remember him telling a friend of Casey's to tell the cops the truth and not to cover for Casey? I think maybe he hoped her friends knew what happened and it would come out through them and that way Casey would be caught but not because of the A's.

Still have no respect for him, because, just like George, he could have stood up and been honest and not been intimidated by Cindy.

Man, I think that was rambling. Need more coffee.:tongueside:

Is he still represented by an attorney? I agree with you, he knows more than he is saying, I have always found him kind of on the creepy side. But the fact is he sure threw Casey under the bus in his first LE interview, so much hope that these interviews will be allowed in the trial.

Like you I see alot of I don't recalls or I don't knows coming from Ole Mallory.

[Sun]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRI3QcNbLm4&

Just wanted to share this old media clip, done in April 2009 just after the death penalty was put back on the table. This is when Morgan first metioned the Anthony's alibi tour.

[jammies]

I think she's going along with the family. Probably doesn't want to lose her boyfriend. Most likely not an independent thinker.

JMO


Ditto. I have ZERO hope she would go against the Anthony's.

[jammies]

She is a bit of a wild card. While I don't foresee her purposely going against the A's, I would still love to read her depo to see if she let any goodies slip. Surely Mallory wasn't raised to lie and cover up. But, I wouldn't be surprised if she used a lot of "I don't know" and "I don't remember".:sneaky:

Especially about the day Caylee's body was found.

[Lynx]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRI3QcNbLm4&

Just wanted to share this old media clip, done in April 2009 just after the death penalty was put back on the table. This is when Morgan first metioned the Anthony's alibi tour.

Thanks for sharing the link Sun. I still feel that the state has more compelling evidence that we are not aware of yet.

[read-in]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRI3QcNbLm4&

Just wanted to share this old media clip, done in April 2009 just after the death penalty was put back on the table. This is when Morgan first metioned the Anthony's alibi tour.

Morning sun;
thanks for the link.

I was wondering if ol mally-bu was on the states witness list, or even the defense? TIA for any info you can share on that.