January 12 -

[FrankieBones1]

The last thread has reached 1,000 posts and beyond.

Can we try to keep this thread civil and respectful?

For Haleigh
:rose:

[CFMom]

Ty for the new thread.

[Justice4all]

Thank you Frankie. :rose:

[CFMom]

:rose: For Haleigh :rose:

[CFMom]

Any more news on the assault tonight?

[SilentSanity]

Any more news on the assault tonight?

He's not showing on the log yet, nobody in since 3:45p..

For anyone who needs the link

http://public.pcso.us/jail/booking.aspx

[CFMom]

Hopefully once hes arrested they will question him more about Haleigh.


Haleigh :rose:

[CFMom]

He's not showing on the log yet, nobody in since 3:45p..

For anyone who needs the link

http://public.pcso.us/jail/booking.aspx

Ty so much. I am trying to stay awake to hear something.

[cat3]

Any more news on the assault tonight?

I just looked at the booking site and nothing yet.He does have an old record in Flager County for battery and domestic violence,so it sounds as though it's an ongoing issue with him.
IMO

[CFMom]

I just looked at the booking site and nothing yet.He does have an old record in Flager County for battery and domestic violence,so it sounds as though it's an ongoing issue with him.
IMO

Sad. I hope his wife gets the kids and leaves.

[Justice4all]

I hope Lindsy's ok.
I would love for LE to have the chance to talk to Tommy again. He's always the gift that keeps giving.

[CFMom]

:wub:Haleigh:wub:

[Justice4all]

Sad. I hope his wife gets the kids and leaves.

I hope she does too before it's too late.

[CFMom]

I hope Lindsy's ok.
I would love for LE to have the chance to talk to Tommy again. He's always the gift that keeps giving.

I hope she seeks help for her and the kids and hope they keep him locked up till he talks. Some people it seems cant control themselves :laugh:

[cat3]

Sad. I hope his wife gets the kids and leaves.

Maybe this will be the last straw for her.Hope she's okay.She seems like a decent person from what I have seen/heard of her.

IMO

[baywench]

Ty so much. I am trying to stay awake to hear something.

I'm confused Mom, who got arrested? I can't tell from that post.

[CFMom]

I'm confused Mom, who got arrested? I can't tell from that post.

Tommy for assaulting his wife.

[Tracian]

I'm confused Mom, who got arrested? I can't tell from that post.

It's still not confirmed.

[CFMom]

Maybe why he shows not being booked yet.
Might be in an interrogation room with some PCSD

BTW: Thanks Frankie!

I sure hope so.

[CFMom]

They usually stay CFMom. Sad as it is.

This whole bunch seems to do drugs and fight. I feel very bad for the children.

[SleepyHallow]

I guess that answers my next question. No news on Tommy yet? :thumbdown:
Why does everyone down there get away with so much?

[IvySterling]

Can we wait & see with this one? Nobody's been added for several hours and that's a little strange.
Maybe they're short on data loggers today???

[SleepyHallow]

Can we wait & see with this one? Nobody's been added for several hours and that's a little strange.
I'm-a-waitin' and seein' with ya. :smile:

[cat3]

My post above should read as Flagler County.Sorry about the typo.

IMO

[baywench]

I'm-a-waitin' and seein' with ya. :smile:


Any little movement at this point is hopefull.

[SleepyHallow]

You're going to be on your own with this one. I'm off to try to watch last night's Bachelor that I forgot about, and then to catch some extra sleep. It's already been a long week.
Nite titanfan. I think I'll look elsewhere anyway. Have a great night.

[IvySterling]

Any little movement at this point is hopefull.
I'm guessing if a report was sent by the arresting officer it has not been OK'd for the Data listing yet. :biggrin:

[IvySterling]

Thanks so much for your support, I try not to brag about my knowledge of how the system works so won't start now :laugh:

[IvySterling]

Aww, thanks for saying I'm cute. You say that in spite of me knocking you outta my birdcage, what a sport :wink:

[Justice4all]

Does anyone know where Misty's living now?

[SilentSanity]

Does anyone know where Misty's living now?

I have no idea. Maybe back at Tommy's, who knows with her.

Did anybody else click on the link for the last guy in (and out) on the Booking Log? The kid looks like he's 10 years old!! Says dob 11/6/88, but no way! What's up with that?

[Justice4all]

I have no idea. Maybe back at Tommy's, who knows with her.

Did anybody else click on the link for the last guy in (and out) on the Booking Log? The kid looks like he's 10 years old!! Says dob 11/6/88, but no way! What's up with that?

OMG I just went and looked :scared: No way he was born in 88. maybe 98..

[SilentSanity]

OMG I just went and looked :scared: No way he was born in 88. maybe 98..

I know! No way that kid is 21! His fake ID can't be that good can it :laugh: It must be some kind of mixup, see his charge too? Battery on Public or Private Education Employee..

[Motomom]

I know! No way that kid is 21! His fake ID can't be that good can it :laugh: It must be some kind of mixup, see his charge too? Battery on Public or Private Education Employee..

The Croslin clan IMO is falling apart! It's only a matter of time. I'm wondering why it's taken this long.

[Justice4all]

I know! No way that kid is 21! His fake ID can't be that good can it :laugh: It must be some kind of mixup, see his charge too? Battery on Public or Private Education Employee..

Yeah I saw that. I can't believe they posted his pic. I agree it has to be a HUGE mix up. I'm gonna watch it and see if they take it down.

[Justice4all]

I tell ya if he's really 21 I wanna drink some of his water because darn he looks like a baby lol

[SilentSanity]

The Croslin clan IMO is falling apart! It's only a matter of time. I'm wondering why it's taken this long.

As far as I know, this kid here isn't a Croslin, I think he's just a mix-up on the log.. But I agree with you on them! I think they know more, and am just patiently waiting for one of them to break.. I am hoping to see Tommy appear on the log tonight!

[Motomom]

As far as I know, this kid here isn't a Croslin, I think he's just a mix-up on the log.. But I agree with you on them! I think they know more, and am just patiently waiting for one of them to break.. I am hoping to see Tommy appear on the log tonight!

I know he isn't a Croslin.. I was just sayin.
Didn't his wife want to move? Weren't they supposedly moving? I imagine there to be a lot of tension in that household if who supposedly lives there.. does live there.

[4Kids]

Well....if the story turns out to be true, as was indicated the scanner, it could very well be that Tommy may be jammed up for awhile. Since I have been turned on to Foren. Astrologers...I have come to the conclusion that HE is the family connection to this child that the Astrologers have discussed.

Maybe Lindsay will finally be disgusted enough to give him up to the authorities. IMO

[Acey]

Praying everyday for Haleigh and hope there is a break in this case soon.

[Acey]

As far as I know, this kid here isn't a Croslin, I think he's just a mix-up on the log.. But I agree with you on them! I think they know more, and am just patiently waiting for one of them to break.. I am hoping to see Tommy appear on the log tonight!

There could be a mix up on the log. I noted the Langston booking details for 800.04-5c1 (victim under 12 and offender under 18). This man is definitely over 18 and it looks like the appropriate charge should be 800.04-5b (victim under 12 and offender over 18). Would hate to have a sex offender get off because of being booked on an incorrect charge.

Wonder how long this man has been in the area. He's not on the RSO list and therefore would not have been previously interviewed by LE re: Haleigh's disappearance when LE interviewed the RSO living within 5 miles of Green Lane.

[HouseOfClark]

Well....if the story turns out to be true, as was indicated the scanner, it could very well be that Tommy may be jammed up for awhile. Since I have been turned on to Foren. Astrologers...I have come to the conclusion that HE is the family connection to this child that the Astrologers have discussed.

Maybe Lindsay will finally be disgusted enough to give him up to the authorities. IMO

I hope Lindsay hasn't been sitting on information about Haleigh's disappearance for almost a year. Tommy or not.

[HouseOfClark]

I have a question.

It's been posted that had Ron been involved in Haleigh's disappearance, Misty would have tried to cut a deal back during the divorce and the fact that she didn't do that, it's taken that Ron wasn't involved.

If Tommy were involved in Haleigh's disappearance, wouldn't Misty have already tried to cut the same kind of a deal with LE back during the fight/RO in August?

Does any kind of deal still involve her to some extent? Could any scenario that she came up with lessen her involvement to just knowledge after the fact?

Okay, that was more than one question.

[CFMom]

Where are our mods? It painful to see how this one person time and time again has disrespected Haleigh for her tantrums. What a mess CW will have to clean up.:cursing:


Haleigh:wub:Good thing there are still some who love and respect her.

[FrankieBones1]

I've requested that the entire thread be deleted. I hope no one minds if it does get tossed and a new one started.

[CFMom]

I've requested that the entire thread be deleted. I hope no one minds if it does get tossed and a new one started.

I don't mind. It is a shame that this poster has so little respect for a missing child that she will come back time and time again to trash Haleighs thread with her vile ugliness.

[HouseOfClark]

I've requested that the entire thread be deleted. I hope no one minds if it does get tossed and a new one started.

It's only two posters. Once they are banned the posts will go away.

(That and I don't want to have to type out my questions again!)

[CFMom]

It's only two posters. Once they are banned the posts will go away.

(That and I don't want to have to type out my questions again!)

To bad Dynamite's IP can't be banned to stop this from repeating itself over and over.

[Elle]

I have a question.

It's been posted that had Ron been involved in Haleigh's disappearance, Misty would have tried to cut a deal back during the divorce and the fact that she didn't do that, it's taken that Ron wasn't involved.

If Tommy were involved in Haleigh's disappearance, wouldn't Misty have already tried to cut the same kind of a deal with LE back during the fight/RO in August?

Does any kind of deal still involve her to some extent? Could any scenario that she came up with lessen her involvement to just knowledge after the fact?

Okay, that was more than one question.

Hmm. Your question has me thinking...(shame on you as its too early for that:smile:)
If Ron were involved, I am not so sure Misty would cut a deal. While it would be presented to her as being beneficial to reveal what she knows and her involvement in exchange for lesser charges/time, she may be of the belief (complete guess) that she is in the clear. Maybe she views holding all info as leverage and in her head believes it will bind her to Ron.
My above thoughts pretty much fly out the window as to why she would not cut a deal if she and Tommy are involved as I am not sure why she would not say anything other than she may be of the mindset she is in the clear.
I do not believe that Ron is involved, but do think Tommy is, and I think cousin Joe is also. Misty befuddles me and I am not sure where I stand on her involvement in the actual act of whatever happened to Haleigh, but I do feel as though she is holding back info and may have involvement after the fact, but my opinion on her changes so much.

I would think that LE would give her a deal depending what she were willing to give them and I think there are many scenarios that could have her guilty of knowledge after the fact, which I think would be something like consiparcy to conceal a crime or something like that.

IM(sleep deprived)OO

[?noanswer]

New thread. Hopefully as Frankie requested the one for the 12th will be deleted or at the least cleaned up.

Please, please let there me some news on Haleigh and what happened to her.

JMO

[?noanswer]

I've requested that the entire thread be deleted. I hope no one minds if it does get tossed and a new one started.


I started a new thread for today.


http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13785082#post13785082

FYI the person that looked so young last night was indeed a juvenile. He is no longer on the site, but his birthday was changed to 1998.

JMO

[CFMom]

Hmm. Your question has me thinking...(shame on you as its too early for that:smile:)
If Ron were involved, I am not so sure Misty would cut a deal. While it would be presented to her as being beneficial to reveal what she knows and her involvement in exchange for lesser charges/time, she may be of the belief (complete guess) that she is in the clear. Maybe she views holding all info as leverage and in her head believes it will bind her to Ron.
My above thoughts pretty much fly out the window as to why she would not cut a deal if she and Tommy are involved as I am not sure why she would not say anything other than she may be of the mindset she is in the clear.
I do not believe that Ron is involved, but do think Tommy is, and I think cousin Joe is also. Misty befuddles me and I am not sure where I stand on her involvement in the actual act of whatever happened to Haleigh, but I do feel as though she is holding back info and may have involvement after the fact, but my opinion on her changes so much.

I would think that LE would give her a deal depending what she were willing to give them and I think there are many scenarios that could have her guilty of knowledge after the fact, which I think would be something like consiparcy to conceal a crime or something like that.

IM(sleep deprived)OO

I think Misty is protecting herself. I think the reason she isn't telling all she knows she either let the person in, or went out and left the kids alone for someone to come in while she was out. I don't think she herself harmed Haleigh but I think it was her actions that allowed it and she won't fess up to what she herself did that night.

[CFMom]

Brought over from the old thread. Maybe everyone can share their opinions on why Misty isn't telling all she knows or why they feel she has.

my post:

I think Misty is protecting herself. I think the reason she isn't telling all she knows she either let the person in, or went out and left the kids alone for someone to come in while she was out. I don't think she herself harmed Haleigh but I think it was her actions that allowed it and she won't fess up to what she herself did that night.
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[CFMom]

I believe its possible the door was propped open so Misty could get back in or hear the kids while she was outside OR the perp did it to help in carrying out the child or children if they had intended on taking both.

I really think they took Haleigh because she was a little girl and the person is sick. I don't think Haleigh is alive.

[HouseOfClark]

Bringing over my questions too:

I have a question.

It's been posted that had Ron been involved in Haleigh's disappearance, Misty would have tried to cut a deal back during the divorce and the fact that she didn't do that, it's taken that Ron wasn't involved.

If Tommy were involved in Haleigh's disappearance, wouldn't Misty have already tried to cut the same kind of a deal with LE back during the fight/RO in August?

Does any kind of deal still involve her to some extent? Could any scenario that she came up with lessen her involvement to just knowledge after the fact?

Okay, that was more than one question.

[HouseOfClark]

Brought over from the old thread. Maybe everyone can share their opinions on why Misty isn't telling all she knows or why they feel she has.

my post:

I think Misty is protecting herself. I think the reason she isn't telling all she knows she either let the person in, or went out and left the kids alone for someone to come in while she was out. I don't think she herself harmed Haleigh but I think it was her actions that allowed it and she won't fess up to what she herself did that night.
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So Tommy is or is not involved, in your opinion?

ETA: I agree that Misty will only protect Misty. But I'm not seeing where she's throwing anyone under the bus to throw suspicion off of herself.

[Elle]

I believe its possible the door was propped open so Misty could get back in or hear the kids while she was outside OR the perp did it to help in carrying out the child or children if they had intended on taking both.

I really think they took Haleigh because she was a little girl and the person is sick. I don't think Haleigh is alive.

I don't think that Misty would have gone out back to get the brick thing if she were propping it open for herself to get back in, I think she would have grabbed something from inside the house, so I tend to think that it was either staged in belief that the brick made it seem more authentic, or used by someone coming in from the outside, someone who had either been watching and had seen the bricks, or someone who had been there before and knew they were by the shed. I still believe the inside door was very possibly unlocked by someone visiting earlier in the evening.
I don't know where I stand on Misty leaving the house, I think that if she did, someone would have come forward who had seen her. I lean towards her being home.

imoo

[?noanswer]

Bringing over my questions too:

All good questions and I don't know the answer. Wonder if LE knows. JMO

[*Pia]

I have a question.

It's been posted that had Ron been involved in Haleigh's disappearance, Misty would have tried to cut a deal back during the divorce and the fact that she didn't do that, it's taken that Ron wasn't involved.

If Tommy were involved in Haleigh's disappearance, wouldn't Misty have already tried to cut the same kind of a deal with LE back during the fight/RO in August?

Does any kind of deal still involve her to some extent? Could any scenario that she came up with lessen her involvement to just knowledge after the fact?

Okay, that was more than one question.

Bringing HOC's post over so he/she (sorry) won't have to type it again....

I have thought since the fight and since the divorce that if Misty knew anything about either Tommy or Ron, she would have tried to cut a deal when they both threw her under the bus (in a sense). IF either of them are involved (IMO) and she knows anything, she is either too scared (Of what, I don't know) to speak up, or she is involved. I don't believe she did anything. If it turns out she is responsible, as I have said before, I will be shocked. If it turns out Ron is responsible, I will be shocked...I don't know if she knows anything but from my very own conversations with her, I do understand why LE has a hard time. I am not saying she is lying but Misty has her own way of conveying things and you have to really listen to understand what she is saying sometimes. One thing I have learned, you need to wait until she is finished saying what she is saying before you speak. If not you will be very confused until she (starts over, if she does) and/or finishes.

[?noanswer]

I don't think that Misty would have gone out back to get the brick thing if she were propping it open for herself to get back in, I think she would have grabbed something from inside the house, so I tend to think that it was either staged in belief that the brick made it seem more authentic, or used by someone coming in from the outside, someone who had either been watching and had seen the bricks, or someone who had been there before and knew they were by the shed. I still believe the inside door was very possibly unlocked by someone visiting earlier in the evening.
I don't know where I stand on Misty leaving the house, I think that if she did, someone would have come forward who had seen her. I lean towards her being home.

imoo

Bolded by me.

Good point. I doubt if she would have gone to that much trouble unless someone had used it before and it was already there. Dark was decending supposedly the last time Haleigh was seen. I'm with you also on her not leaving the house. The only reason someone would not have come forward would be because they were involved.

JMO

[Elle]

Bringing over my questions too:


I responded, but it is on the other thread :) It may not be very coherent, so I am not sure it merits being brought over. Just wanted to let you know it's there.

[?noanswer]

Bringing HOC's post over so he/she (sorry) won't have to type it again....

I have thought since the fight and since the divorce that if Misty knew anything about either Tommy or Ron, she would have tried to cut a deal when they both threw her under the bus (in a sense). IF either of them are involved (IMO) and she knows anything, she is either too scared (Of what, I don't know) to speak up, or she is involved. I don't believe she did anything. If it turns out she is responsible, as I have said before, I will be shocked. If it turns out Ron is responsible, I will be shocked...I don't know if she knows anything but from my very own conversations with her, I do understand why LE has a hard time. I am not saying she is lying but Misty has her own way of conveying things and you have to really listen to understand what she is saying sometimes. One thing I have learned, you need to wait until she is finished saying what she is saying before you speak. If not you will be very confused until she (starts over, if she does) and/or finishes.

Either Misty is the most cunning/conniving person on earth or she does not have the ability to communicate facts.

JMO

[HouseOfClark]

Okay, one more question.

Misty goes through the whole "I saw a 3, woke up, bathroom/water/back door open" spiel, then says she didn't notice Haleigh missing until she went back to the bedroom to get her phone to call Ron - who was pulling into the drive (paraphrased) as she was calling him. Like this was one chain of events that only lasted a few minutes.

Lisa Croslin says that Misty called her that night/morning.

When did Misty call Lisa?

Would this have anything to do with why the police were at 116 Tyler Street prior to getting the radio transmission to head over to Green Lane?

Could someone from Tyler have actually made the original 911 call to report Haleigh missing?

Is this why Misty's timeline doesn't make sense to LE (inconsistent)?

Doesn't the police/missing person's report say that Haleigh was last seen in the vicinity of Hermit's Cove, and not at her residence?

(Again, more than one question.)

[?noanswer]

Okay, one more question.

Misty goes through the whole "I saw a 3, woke up, bathroom/water/back door open" spiel, then says she didn't notice Haleigh missing until she went back to the bedroom to get her phone to call Ron - who was pulling into the drive (paraphrased) as she was calling him. Like this was one chain of events that only lasted a few minutes.

Lisa Croslin says that Misty called her that night/morning.

When did Misty call Lisa?

Would this have anything to do with why the police were at 116 Tyler Street prior to getting the radio transmission to head over to Green Lane?

Could someone from Tyler have actually made the original 911 call to report Haleigh missing?

Is this why Misty's timeline doesn't make sense to LE (inconsistent)?

Doesn't the police/missing person's report say that Haleigh was last seen in the vicinity of Hermit's Cove, and not at her residence?

(Again, more than one question.)

RE call to LC. IIRC, LC said there was a call about Haleigh, but she didn't wake TC up until much later because they had been up late that night.

I always thought Haleigh's residence was in Hermit's cove area.

JMO

[HouseOfClark]

I responded, but it is on the other thread :) It may not be very coherent, so I am not sure it merits being brought over. Just wanted to let you know it's there.

I'll bring it over because you raise some interesting points.

Hmm. Your question has me thinking...(shame on you as its too early for that:smile:)
If Ron were involved, I am not so sure Misty would cut a deal. While it would be presented to her as being beneficial to reveal what she knows and her involvement in exchange for lesser charges/time, she may be of the belief (complete guess) that she is in the clear. Maybe she views holding all info as leverage and in her head believes it will bind her to Ron.
My above thoughts pretty much fly out the window as to why she would not cut a deal if she and Tommy are involved as I am not sure why she would not say anything other than she may be of the mindset she is in the clear.
I do not believe that Ron is involved, but do think Tommy is, and I think cousin Joe is also. Misty befuddles me and I am not sure where I stand on her involvement in the actual act of whatever happened to Haleigh, but I do feel as though she is holding back info and may have involvement after the fact, but my opinion on her changes so much.

I would think that LE would give her a deal depending what she were willing to give them and I think there are many scenarios that could have her guilty of knowledge after the fact, which I think would be something like consiparcy to conceal a crime or something like that.

IM(sleep deprived)OO



Misty just doesn't strike me as the "blood is thicker than water" kind of person.

Maybe her involvement is more than the other person's and she can't explain it to be anything else?

[HouseOfClark]

RE call to LC. IIRC, LC said there was a call about Haleigh, but she didn't wake TC up until much later because they had been up late that night.

I always thought Haleigh's residence was in Hermit's cove area.

JMO

It is, but it's more like saying she was seen in the neighborhood. Not last seen inside her residence.

Make sense?

ETA: Now I'm seriously questioning Lindsay. She gets a call about a missing Haleigh, (time unknown) the police are at Tyler Street and she doesn't want to wake Tommy "because they were up late"??????? And Tommy sleeps through all of that?

[Elle]

Okay, one more question.

Misty goes through the whole "I saw a 3, woke up, bathroom/water/back door open" spiel, then says she didn't notice Haleigh missing until she went back to the bedroom to get her phone to call Ron - who was pulling into the drive (paraphrased) as she was calling him. Like this was one chain of events that only lasted a few minutes.

Lisa Croslin says that Misty called her that night/morning.

When did Misty call Lisa?

Would this have anything to do with why the police were at 116 Tyler Street prior to getting the radio transmission to head over to Green Lane?

Could someone from Tyler have actually made the original 911 call to report Haleigh missing?

Is this why Misty's timeline doesn't make sense to LE (inconsistent)?

Doesn't the police/missing person's report say that Haleigh was last seen in the vicinity of Hermit's Cove, and not at her residence?

(Again, more than one question.)

What I did see on the police report is this, and I am not exactly sure as to what it means,

Location Type: Residence-Home
Incident Occurred Outside This Location


http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

[*Pia]

I don't think that Misty would have gone out back to get the brick thing if she were propping it open for herself to get back in, I think she would have grabbed something from inside the house, so I tend to think that it was either staged in belief that the brick made it seem more authentic, or used by someone coming in from the outside, someone who had either been watching and had seen the bricks, or someone who had been there before and knew they were by the shed. I still believe the inside door was very possibly unlocked by someone visiting earlier in the evening.
I don't know where I stand on Misty leaving the house, I think that if she did, someone would have come forward who had seen her. I lean towards her being home.

imoo

I have never thought about that before. You are right. Why would she go to all that trouble and also why didn't she shut the door when she came back in? At that time, she wouldn't have known Haleigh was gone, so what not cover up being out as she came back in?

[Motomom]

Brought over from the old thread. Maybe everyone can share their opinions on why Misty isn't telling all she knows or why they feel she has.

my post:

I think Misty is protecting herself. I think the reason she isn't telling all she knows she either let the person in, or went out and left the kids alone for someone to come in while she was out. I don't think she herself harmed Haleigh but I think it was her actions that allowed it and she won't fess up to what she herself did that night.
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Just one of my theories on this, I have quite a few :)

I think her initial lie was a cover up as to what she had done or who had been there. I think it's possible she was asleep/passed out when someone came back in. With this theory, she had people over. That's why she had dirty clothes in the dryer, she was just hiding them, or making a pathway for visitors. Could explain why her story just doesn't add up, she may not know if the light was on or off, if the door was locked or not, heck, if Haleigh was taken out with the last visitor. That's what I think she was attempting to cover up...Then the lies became evident, or the stories more inconsistent and she got in too deep and won't man up now. All JMO and a possible theory.

[HouseOfClark]

That other potential phone call may be important -- also that she was seen hour & half ago. If there was a call from Tyler, I wanna know what that's all about.

That's the 911 call I want to hear! What brought police to Tyler Street and what time was that call made and by whom?

[*Pia]

Either Misty is the most cunning/conniving person on earth or she does not have the ability to communicate facts.

JMO

I lean toward the latter....:wink:

[*Pia]

Okay, one more question.

Misty goes through the whole "I saw a 3, woke up, bathroom/water/back door open" spiel, then says she didn't notice Haleigh missing until she went back to the bedroom to get her phone to call Ron - who was pulling into the drive (paraphrased) as she was calling him. Like this was one chain of events that only lasted a few minutes.

Lisa Croslin says that Misty called her that night/morning.

When did Misty call Lisa?

Would this have anything to do with why the police were at 116 Tyler Street prior to getting the radio transmission to head over to Green Lane?

Could someone from Tyler have actually made the original 911 call to report Haleigh missing?

Is this why Misty's timeline doesn't make sense to LE (inconsistent)?

Doesn't the police/missing person's report say that Haleigh was last seen in the vicinity of Hermit's Cove, and not at her residence?

(Again, more than one question.)

I think when did she call Lisa and when did she call Timmy is a very good question. Wasn't Lisa at the hospital all night with Hank Sr?

I have always thought they were at Hank Jr.'s looking for Haleigh, thinking she may have wandered over there.

[HouseOfClark]

I lean toward the latter....:wink:

I don't know Pia, if you spoke with her I'm sure it was more on a friendly "I'm on your side" basis, not some pesky police officer trying to get facts. She could have been putting on an act too.

I have to go with cunning and a pound or two of vindictiveness (based on her actions since Haleigh went missing).

JMO though.

[*Pia]

It is, but it's more like saying she was seen in the neighborhood. Not last seen inside her residence.

Make sense?

ETA: Now I'm seriously questioning Lindsay. She gets a call about a missing Haleigh, (time unknown) the police are at Tyler Street and she doesn't want to wake Tommy "because they were up late"??????? And Tommy sleeps through all of that?

That is another one I didn't understand...then she decided it was important so then they got up?

[CFMom]

So Tommy is or is not involved, in your opinion?

ETA: I agree that Misty will only protect Misty. But I'm not seeing where she's throwing anyone under the bus to throw suspicion off of herself.

I think the Croslins would eat their young if it benefited themselves. So I don't think they'd cover for anyone but themselves. If covering for Tommy benefits her as well..then yes I think she would but I think they'd throw each other under the bus first chance they got. All my opinion.

[Motomom]

Okay, one more question.

Misty goes through the whole "I saw a 3, woke up, bathroom/water/back door open" spiel, then says she didn't notice Haleigh missing until she went back to the bedroom to get her phone to call Ron - who was pulling into the drive (paraphrased) as she was calling him. Like this was one chain of events that only lasted a few minutes.

Lisa Croslin says that Misty called her that night/morning.

When did Misty call Lisa?

Would this have anything to do with why the police were at 116 Tyler Street prior to getting the radio transmission to head over to Green Lane?

Could someone from Tyler have actually made the original 911 call to report Haleigh missing?

Is this why Misty's timeline doesn't make sense to LE (inconsistent)?

Doesn't the police/missing person's report say that Haleigh was last seen in the vicinity of Hermit's Cove, and not at her residence?

(Again, more than one question.)


Good questions. I think her phone records will be very interesting and I want to see them.

[HouseOfClark]

I think when did she call Lisa and when did she call Timmy is a very good question. Wasn't Lisa at the hospital all night with Hank Sr?

I have always thought they were at Hank Jr.'s looking for Haleigh, thinking she may have wandered over there.

BBM

BEFORE she was reported missing at 3:27?

[*Pia]

I don't know Pia, if you spoke with her I'm sure it was more on a friendly "I'm on your side" basis, not some pesky police officer trying to get facts. She could have been putting on an act too.

I have to go with cunning and a pound or two of vindictiveness (based on her actions since Haleigh went missing).

JMO though.

I see what you are saying but I am sure when the police started out, they were friendly with her too. She herself only seemed to have a problem with the one investigator...btw, does anyone know which one that was? I am pretty sure it was a male...but too soon for Jason Jolicoeur didn't come on to the case until July(?).

[*Pia]

BBM

BEFORE she was reported missing at 3:27?

I thought that dispatch came while they were already at Ron's???

[tia marie]

I don't think that Misty would have gone out back to get the brick thing if she were propping it open for herself to get back in, I think she would have grabbed something from inside the house, so I tend to think that it was either staged in belief that the brick made it seem more authentic, or used by someone coming in from the outside, someone who had either been watching and had seen the bricks, or someone who had been there before and knew they were by the shed. I still believe the inside door was very possibly unlocked by someone visiting earlier in the evening.
I don't know where I stand on Misty leaving the house, I think that if she did, someone would have come forward who had seen her. I lean towards her being home.

imoo

Regarding the *brick* aka cinder block. IMO, that cinderblock was a staple at that back door. As a matter of convenience when that door was being used, it was put there when Ron and Misty moved into that place.

Now its become a prop to somehow prove an unknown came thru that door. LE supposidly took that cinderblock for dna testing. I hope they were able to acheive results.

moo

[Elle]

That is another one I didn't understand...then she decided it was important so then they got up?

Isn't that Chelsea?

http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/05/exclusive-inside-the-haleigh-cummings-family-feud/

paragraph starting

'With her car totalled...'

[HouseOfClark]

I thought that dispatch came while they were already at Ron's???

I don't think so.

IIRC, the officers at Tyler were dispatched to Green after the 911 call from Misty. There's a space on the transmissions where they went to a private channel.

IF my memory serves me correct.

And there's nothing in Misty's 911 call to indicate that Haleigh was last seen "an hour and a half ago", is there?

[HenLee]

I thought that dispatch came while they were already at Ron's???
Good morning pia, it was Major Boweling (sp) that Misty walked out of interview with.

[HouseOfClark]

whoever it was -- was getting too close to the truth.

I think so too.

[*Pia]

whoever it was -- was getting too close to the truth.

Really? I wasn't aware that had been stated before. Where will I find that at? TIA

[tia marie]

I thought that dispatch came while they were already at Ron's???

Nope. LE had a car at Tyler prior to the 911 call from Misty.

[HenLee]

whoever it was -- was getting too close to the truth.I don't think so titan. I think the Major's interviewing techniques were different then Lt. Greenwood. You know the good guy bad guy scenario. She stated she would speak with any one but the Major.

[*Pia]

Isn't that Chelsea?

http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/05/exclusive-inside-the-haleigh-cummings-family-feud/

paragraph starting

'With her car totalled...'

Thanks Elle...I always get the two of them confused for some reason...

[CFMom]

Regarding the *brick* aka cinder block. IMO, that cinderblock was a staple at that back door. As a matter of convenience when that door was being used, it was put there when Ron and Misty moved into that place.

Now its become a prop to somehow prove an unknown came thru that door. LE supposidly took that cinderblock for dna testing. I hope they were able to acheive results.

moo

Do you have proof this block was put there by Ron and Misty when they moved in?

[*Pia]

Good morning pia, it was Major Boweling (sp) that Misty walked out of interview with.

Thank you!

[tia marie]

Do you have proof this block was put there by Ron and Misty when they moved in?

Nope, I said it was my opinion.

[?noanswer]

I have seen lots of posting about the call to Tyler St, but I still am not clear on when it was. At this point it is really hard to remember what is fact and what is opinion. JMO

[*Pia]

Prayers for Haleigh and her family....:rose:









Gotta run...have a nice day everyone!

[HenLee]

Thank you!
You are welcome my friend.

[Elle]

I have seen lots of posting about the call to Tyler St, but I still am not clear on when it was. At this point it is really hard to remember what is fact and what is opinion. JMO


I am not sure of the exact time in re. to Tyler street, but do wonder why it took so long for LE to arrive at Haleigh's house, 13 minutes.

[CFMom]

Nope, I said it was my opinion.

I'd think if this block was a common thing someone would have spoken up and said so.

[Elle]

Thanks Elle...I always get the two of them confused for some reason...

I am always confusing them, in fact there are a few posts I wrote, just after having read this article when it came out, where I say Lindsy. I am leary though of believing anything I read, and hear, as there have been so many mistakes made in the media. I feel like everything I write, especially when I reference an article, should contain a disclaimer of sorts, even beyond my stating imoo :)

imo

[Texas48]

I believe its possible the door was propped open so Misty could get back in or hear the kids while she was outside OR the perp did it to help in carrying out the child or children if they had intended on taking both.

I really think they took Haleigh because she was a little girl and the person is sick. I don't think Haleigh is alive.
morning Mom and all..The only problem I can see is where did Misty get the cement block IF she was the one that propped the door open just so she could get back in..? Seems like alot of work when all she had to do was leave the door shut but unlocked.

[CFMom]

morning Mom and all..The only problem I can see is where did Misty get the cement block IF she was the one that propped the door open just so she could get back in..? Seems like alot of work when all she had to do was leave the door shut but unlocked.

Yes..I do agree or as one stated earlier she could have used something from the house. This makes me think she isnt the one who put the block there.

[Texas48]

I don't think that Misty would have gone out back to get the brick thing if she were propping it open for herself to get back in, I think she would have grabbed something from inside the house, so I tend to think that it was either staged in belief that the brick made it seem more authentic, or used by someone coming in from the outside, someone who had either been watching and had seen the bricks, or someone who had been there before and knew they were by the shed. I still believe the inside door was very possibly unlocked by someone visiting earlier in the evening.
I don't know where I stand on Misty leaving the house, I think that if she did, someone would have come forward who had seen her. I lean towards her being home.

imoo
Good points Elle..The cement blocks were stacked out by the storage shed so your right it would have had to been someone knew they were there/been familiar with the back yard.
IDK if Misty was home or not..but..I also believe IF she was out she was with *someone* and ppl would have already come forward with that ifo to LE..I am still a believer that LE knows way more than any of us do and eventually an arrest will be made...no matter how long it takes. jmo

[tia marie]

Police Radio Transmissions the night Haleigh went missing.

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/radio_calls_haleigh_cummings_021909

[Texas48]

It is, but it's more like saying she was seen in the neighborhood. Not last seen inside her residence.

Make sense?

ETA: Now I'm seriously questioning Lindsay. She gets a call about a missing Haleigh, (time unknown) the police are at Tyler Street and she doesn't want to wake Tommy "because they were up late"??????? And Tommy sleeps through all of that?
Lindsay did an interview with Ah and that is exactly what she said HOC..they had been up late and after she got the call from Misty she laid back down for an hour or so..I had to go hmmmm after reading the article..

[Texas48]

Isn't that Chelsea?

http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/05/exclusive-inside-the-haleigh-cummings-family-feud/

paragraph starting

'With her car totalled...'
Yes..Misty called them at 4am..she could hear ppl in the background yelling for HaLeigh but she says she did not want to wake up her girls so they lay in bed for an hour or so more..at 6am they decide the call from Misty was serious and got up..WTH?

[Elle]

Yes..Misty called them at 4am..she could hear ppl in the background yelling for HaLeigh but she says she did not want to wake up her girls so they lay in bed for an hour or so more..at 6am they decide the call from Misty was serious and got up..WTH?


Exactly. WTH?

imo

[tia marie]

Yes..Misty called them at 4am..she could hear ppl in the background yelling for HaLeigh but she says she did not want to wake up her girls so they lay in bed for an hour or so more..at 6am they decide the call from Misty was serious and got up..WTH?

What *girls* did Chelsea not want to wake up? Also why would Chelsea be answering Lindsey's phone? Or are you talking about Lindsey? Confused here.

[HenLee]

If LE was at the Croslins, with what we know now about Tommy's domestic violence history, maybe they had been called their earlier and was staying close by just in case things flared up again. Maybe a quite night and officer stayed close by and caught up on paper work that has to be completed before reporting off duty. Just a thought.

[Motomom]

Yes..Misty called them at 4am..she could hear ppl in the background yelling for HaLeigh but she says she did not want to wake up her girls so they lay in bed for an hour or so more..at 6am they decide the call from Misty was serious and got up..WTH?

That is crazy and she had not a care in the world for Haleigh IMO.

[Elle]

If LE was at the Croslins, with what we know now about Tommy's domestic violence history, maybe they had been called their earlier and was staying close by just in case things flared up again. Maybe a quite night and officer stayed close by and caught up on paper work that has to be completed before reporting off duty. Just a thought.

But it took 13 minutes to get someone over to Haleigh's house.

[HenLee]

But it took 13 minutes to get someone over to Haleigh's house.
Then my guess would be a officer was not in that area as reported but I will go back and listen again to the 911 call.

[tia marie]

Then my guess would be a officer was not in that area as reported but I will go back and listen again to the 911 call.

The police radio transmissions would be the source, not the Misty 911 call. Its my understanding that the dispatcher sent a squad car out to Green from another location, and there was another LE car at Tyler that went to the location from Tyler after the first car dispatched. If you read the police report you can see who and when LE arrived.

moo

[?noanswer]

Lisa Croslin is due back in court tomorrow, the 14th. Looked at Hank, Sr. and there has not been a date set for his next appearance. Wonder why. Also wonder if LC will get any more jail time or will be sentenced to time already served and a fine. Seems a lot of people get fines. Guess that is less costly than keeping them locked up.

Nothing on a trail date for RC on the altercation with Tommy at GGMS's house.
JMO

[HenLee]

But it took 13 minutes to get someone over to Haleigh's house.I am listening to the 911 call and there was a officer at the home in 6 minutes and sounds like a couple of the officers needed directions after getting off of Buffalo Bluff road. I don't think a officer was at Tommy's house when the call come in. MOO

[HenLee]

The police radio transmissions would be the source, not the Misty 911 call. Its my understanding that the dispatcher sent a squad car out to Green from another location, and there was another LE car at Tyler that went to the location from Tyler after the first car dispatched. If you read the police report you can see who and when LE arrived.

moo I just listened to the "radio transmission" at the link above and I stand by my post.

[Elle]

I am listening to the 911 call and there was a officer at the home in 6 minutes and sounds like a couple of the officers needed directions after getting off of Buffalo Bluff road. I don't think a officer was at Tommy's house when the call come in. MOO


I am not able to listen on my computer, I was just pulling the time of the 911 call at 3:27 and the report where the officer states arrival at 3:40. I need a new computer and a vacation :)

[HenLee]

I am not able to listen on my computer, I was just pulling the time of the 911 call at 3:27 and the report where the officer states arrival at 3:40. I need a new computer and a vacation :)
Elle, we all need a vacation from this case. We need this case solved. :)

[tia marie]

I just listened to the "radio transmission" at the link above and I stand by my post.

And I stand by my opinion and what I have read 11 mos. ago that there was a squad car at Tyler prior to the 911 call.

The first responding officers were Bridges and Nelson. Nelson wrote the police report.

LE officers Lavoy, Odom and Sorenson then arrived. Most likely Lavoy and Odom were the officers at Tyler.

IMO

[HouseOfClark]

Yes.
IIRC during the 911 call LE was at Hank Jr's and left there to go to take the report about HaLeigh.

MOO

That's what I remember too. That's why I don't think LE was at Tyler to look for Haleigh because she hadn't even been reported missing yet.

Unless she was reported missing by someone at 116 Tyler.

JMO and all that.

[HouseOfClark]

At the risk of repeating myself, why would a grown girl have reason to 'brick' a door in order to re-enter her home?

Were the knobs broke?
All she had to do is turn one and voilà back inside!

That 'reasoning' has never made sense to me.

MOO

Unless....the cinder block was placed there as a way to "stage" the scene and make it appear more believable that some unknown stranger person had come in and taken Haleigh?

[4Kids]

The words I remember was "what's going on at * Tyler"... and then blank.

And something about seen 1 1/2 hours ago and always wondered if who saw her then, saw her alive.

Titan....was this part of the news? I have never heard this. Someone indicates they saw Haleigh between 1-2 am that morning? IMO

[tia marie]

That's what I remember too. That's why I don't think LE was at Tyler to look for Haleigh because she hadn't even been reported missing yet.

Unless she was reported missing by someone at 116 Tyler.

JMO and all that.

Thank you, thank you..LE was at Tyler prior to the 911 call for some unknown reason.

[4Kids]

Thank you, thank you..LE was at Tyler prior to the 911 call for some unknown reason.

Sounds like alot of things were going on with the Croslins that evening. I never recall hearing what the reason for LE being at Tyler were that night. WTH happened to this child? IMO

[HouseOfClark]

Thank you, thank you..LE was at Tyler prior to the 911 call for some unknown reason.

Yeah, THAT'S the 911 call I want to hear.

[4Kids]

I think the 1 1/2 hours was part of police transmission. It's been awhile since I've actually heard it and now have very limited access to audio, but others have discussed it.

Is this related to the supposed party that Pytko signed an affadvit about? Where is Hermit's Cove? I sound like a newbie today....and I was here on Day 2 of this child missing, yet I don't remember this stuff.

However...I do remember some "witness" hearing loud voices and a ccar speeding off from Haleigh's home somewhere around 1:30 to 2:00 am? I now wonder if this is related to the damaged van and the 911 call from Tyler. Misty knows. Tommy knows. Lindsay knows. IMO

ETA Lindsay is Tommy's husband...right?

[CFMom]

Well, you asked!

I think she had company after GGMS.

I think they did some type drug there at home roaming in and out of the house as company will do.. :smile:

I think one of the 'company' somehow unlocked the back door and came back for HaLeigh.

I think Misty was passed out....and in bed while the children fended for themselves.
I think this may have been common... her sleeping while the kids "played".

Her "dream-4" reference may mean she was in and out of her stupor and vaguely remembers seeing someone in her house.
Bottom line, I don't think she knows who..

MOO

Great post..and that would explain why the bed wasnt slept in..she passed out on top of the blankets.

[4Kids]

Great post..and that would explain why the bed wasnt slept in..she passed out on top of the blankets.

This has been one of my two theories from early on. Misty passed out...while partiers were in and out of the house...or Misty was out and came home to find Haleigh missing. I am leaning more towards scenario 2. I think someone who is not so nice realized that these children were home alone and vunerable. Depends on who was at the party in my scenario. However....I have come to the conclusion that all of the Croslins know what happened, albeit they may not know which or their "friends" took Haleigh. IMO

[4Kids]

It's scenario 1 for me.

I think someone "not so nice" knew HaLeigh was vulnerable because Misty was passed out... and took her.

MOO

Could be Rucky. Lots of the "evidence" that we heard about would support your theory.

However...the van damage...the voices at 2 am...the calls to Tommy...to Lindsay...Tommy placing himself at the home....and the party and Pytko made me waiver from senario one. The cinder block also makes me think that someone wanted to be able to carry something out without having to handle the door (but either scenario fits with the cinder block).

I would look heavily into the Croslins at this point and suggest that the SO currently in the big house be questioned ad nauseum. Loukakis? Where was he the night in question? I am still convinced it was an SO that knew the family. Wonder what theory LE is working? IMO

[bugout]

At the risk of repeating myself, why would a grown girl have reason to 'brick' a door in order to re-enter her home?

Were the knobs broke?
All she had to do is turn one and voilà back inside!

That 'reasoning' has never made sense to me.

MOO

When you see that rope jury rigged on the front door, it makes me believe they did "prop" their doors or rigged them for some reason. I don't know what to make of the rope on the front screen door handle. It's bothered me since I saw it.
I think that RC and MC are both culpable in this case, Satsuma could start with child neglect, and go from there....
Maybe they will.
But, this is just my belief, after watching this case from afar for almost a year now.
Haleigh needs to be found. Some people really do still believe in no body no crime, OR no body, = Child "Missing" when in fact, this is usually far from the truth. I don't have any hope that this child is alive and well being "hidden" by anyone. I think she died that day/night.
And MC and RC have covered it up; as most people try to do when a child murder happens. Especially if they are the "parents".
One day we will all know the truth. :rose:

[bugout]

Not remembering --- none of that sounds familiar. I remember loud voice, think woman about 2:30, and the only car was heard from somewhere in the neighborhood.

I remember some guy calling in to that Sunday wannabe news show, and it was supposedly the guy that had reported the car ...

Speaking of, just to be snoopy has Cobra left for parts unknown and I don't care, but for real?

Titan do you know why he was on bloggernews radio crying that day? What was it that he was referring to that he "lost"? I was beside myself trying to figure that one out. He became to close to the case; best to let LE do their job; bounty hunters does not equal an investigation by Fbi or Le. Putnam county or not.

I'd still like to know what Joe meant by It's putnam county and i know how they work....IOW he really feels that people get away with things in that county. Why?
I think in this case, being that TN worked in the BUSiness, it's possible that there is a good ole boys club IOW something like this:
we know your boy is a good boy TN, we would never arrest him for murder based on what we have. OH, he runs around with guns threatening people? That's OK TN, we know he means well, and nothing will come of it...

That's kind of what went through my mind when I heard the
He has a gun 911 call last week. I do believe that RC feels he is above the law. I hope that feeling sticks if he is ever indicted in this case; or another. Because I have to agree with Joe at this point, No one gets arrested in Satsuma for pulling a gun, and road rage incidents. And that is a problem. So is the lack of arrests in this case. Stark differences in LE approach:
Caylee's case, the state will lay on their swords for her.
This case? Not so much. Why is that? Neither were abductions. LE doesn't think so, I don't think so. Some still think there was but I'm firm, I do not believe this based on all the evidence to date.

Bug

[Justice4all]

I know! No way that kid is 21! His fake ID can't be that good can it :laugh: It must be some kind of mixup, see his charge too? Battery on Public or Private Education Employee..

I just went and checked. They removed him from the booking site. Had to have been some kind of mistake.

[just4justice]

Titan do you know why he was on bloggernews radio crying that day? What was it that he was referring to that he "lost"? I was beside myself trying to figure that one out.

Bug
snipped
He was crying because his fiance dumped him.

BTW - What evidence? Could you be more specific?

TIA

[baywench]

I think in this case, being that TN worked in the BUSiness, it's possible that there is a good ole boys club IOW something like this:
we know your boy is a good boy TN, we would never arrest him for murder based on what we have. OH, he runs around with guns threatening people? That's OK TN, we know he means well, and nothing will come of it...

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Snipped per CW. I don't agree. I feel the opposite really. That LE is not going after him for the smaller offenses because they are looking at the bigger picture. TN was a dispatcher, she would hold no power or consideration in murder case if Ron was involved imo. I think LE is fervently wishing they would all stop all the BS because it shines the spotlight on them in ways having nothing to do with the case. There are other agencies involved in the solving of this Thank God but imo LE is not holding back. Misty is the key to all of this and I believe they are just waiting for the last piece that gives them enough evidence to indict her. I don't believe Ron or Crystal are involved. jmo

[4Kids]

I think in this case, being that TN worked in the BUSiness, it's possible that there is a good ole boys club IOW something like this:
we know your boy is a good boy TN, we would never arrest him for murder based on what we have. OH, he runs around with guns threatening people? That's OK TN, we know he means well, and nothing will come of it...

[QUOTE=bugout;13785741]

Snipped per CW. I don't agree. I feel the opposite really. That LE is not going after him for the smaller offenses because they are looking at the bigger picture. TN was a dispatcher, she would hold no power or consideration in murder case if Ron was involved imo. I think LE is fervently wishing they would all stop all the BS because it shines the spotlight on them in ways having nothing to do with the case. There are other agencies involved in the solving of this Thank God but imo LE is not holding back. Misty is the key to all of this and I believe they are just waiting for the last piece that gives them enough evidence to indict her. I don't believe Ron or Crystal are involved. jmo

Bay....I agree with you last sentence. However, although I believe Misty holds a small part of the story...I am convinced that her family also holds some as well. Will she/they ever break? Haven't so far, with the exception of Tommy admitting to being at the MH that evening. IMO

[Justice4all]

I also believe HaLeigh is gone from this world bugout, but Ron is not a suspect according to LE.

MOO

PinkBM and that's a hard thing for some to accept.

[HouseOfClark]

PinkBM and that's a hard thing for some to accept.

If they would come out with something more substantial than "not considered suspects" in reference to Ron and Crystal, more people could and would accept it.

The word "cleared" would do it.

JMO though.

[Tracian]

If they would come out with something more substantial than "not considered suspects" in reference to Ron and Crystal, more people could and would accept it.

The word "cleared" would do it.

JMO though.


Until the DNA came back in the Jon Benet case, the parents were not cleared. Jaycee Dugards' step father was never cleared either.

[Justice4all]

Until the DNA came back in the Jon Benet case, the parents were not cleared. Jaycee Dugards' step father was never cleared either.

Very true.

[tia marie]

It maybe insignificent, but any blurb that mentions Haleigh's name is noteworthy, irregardles if someone wants this to all go away. Hopefully, it won't turn out like the Ramsey mystery and a decade later still unsolved.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=150717&catid=3

[just4justice]

Well, you asked!

I think she had company after GGMS.

I think they did some type drug there at home roaming in and out of the house as company will do.. :smile:

I think one of the 'company' somehow unlocked the back door and came back for HaLeigh.

I think Misty was passed out....and in bed while the children fended for themselves.
I think this may have been common... her sleeping while the kids "played".

Her "dream-4" reference may mean she was in and out of her stupor and vaguely remembers seeing someone in her house.
Bottom line, I don't think she knows who..

MOO

I believe you are at least right about the company and the back door. I believe Misty was outside somewhere.
Let's start by ruling out Loukakis - his GPS says he was where he was supposed to be.
Lane is a possibility as is Chad Reynolds, but Reynolds is missing in action (it is believed he is dead.)
Sapp was supposedly interviewed and "cleared." However, Sapp was living with the Croslins beginning 1/26/09 when he returned to Satsuma. Misty's habits were well known to him. He could well have been one of the visitors at the Cummings home that night. It is my belief that LE didn't follow up well enough with him. I believe he is the perp. He is a sicko who lusts for little girls and he has reoffended 3x that we know of. He is presently incarcerated in the Putnam County jail for yet another incident with a prepubescent female. What LE has been doing, in terms of any meaningful investigation, is unknown, but I have posted this a number of times and no one here seems particularly interested. It wouldn't even surprised me if Misty handed Haleigh over, but that is doubtful based on what Junior has said about the man in black. Incidentally, the pictures I have seen of Sapp has him wearing black. At any rate, I will continue to remind everyone of this from time to time and if I am wrong I will gladly eat crow. If not, I will be back to say I told you so.

[CFMom]

If they would come out with something more substantial than "not considered suspects" in reference to Ron and Crystal, more people could and would accept it.

The word "cleared" would do it.

JMO though.

Would be nice. I'd love to hear Chads whereabouts and Crystals and maybe a 'cleared' also.

I'd also love to know what delayed Crystal from arriving at Rons earlier the day Haleigh went missing.

I'd also like to know who Chad was partying with and if they have been questioned and was Chad with them all the time.

[CFMom]

Until the DNA came back in the Jon Benet case, the parents were not cleared. Jaycee Dugards' step father was never cleared either.

Poor lady went to her grave being accused of killing her daughter. Sad.

[CFMom]

How do you know she didn't have anything to do with it?

She was cleared. :rolleyes: By DNA

[CFMom]

See the record is still broken. Super glue might fix it.

Why do always attack my posts? Why does it upset you so much that your opinion isn't mine? If you don't want to discuss my opinions then to keep the board about Haleigh and not your wants..please scroll.

[?noanswer]

Re LE going to Tyler St. I have been reading this happened for quite sometime. What puzzles me is that Lindsay Croslin said after MC called about Haleigh being gone, she did not wake Hank, Jr. until later. If LE had gone there looking for Haleigh, one would think they would have not gone to bed, but instead go over to RC's house.


JMO

[HouseOfClark]

Re LE going to Tyler St. I have been reading this happened for quite sometime. What puzzles me is that Lindsay Croslin said after MC called about Haleigh being gone, she did not wake Hank, Jr. until later. If LE had gone there looking for Haleigh, one would think they would have not gone to bed, but instead go over to RC's house.


JMO

I believe someone corrected it to Chelsea not wanting to wake Timmy or her girls.

IMO, the people at Tyler Street were wide awake.

JMO

[HouseOfClark]

When was the area around PDM searched?

Was it ever searched?

[HouseOfClark]

I hear ya'!

Not hard for me though because LE released the info.
I believe them when they say neither parent is suspect.

... Then,IMO, they were off to look for the one(s) responsible.

Where was Chad G. when Crystal got the call?
I'm waiting to hear LE has cleared him also.

MOO

FWIW, they also said Misty wasn't considered a suspect.

[Elle]

Re LE going to Tyler St. I have been reading this happened for quite sometime. What puzzles me is that Lindsay Croslin said after MC called about Haleigh being gone, she did not wake Hank, Jr. until later. If LE had gone there looking for Haleigh, one would think they would have not gone to bed, but instead go over to RC's house.


JMO

Hi ?

I had thought it was Lindsay too but earlier found the AH article with reference to Chelsea getting a call from Misty at 4am, laying in bed for a while until she realized it was serious then woke Timmy up ect.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/05/exclusive-inside-the-haleigh-cummings-family-feud/

it starts with the paragraph with the paragraph 'With her car totalled...'

the whole thing is pretty interesting....I know kids hide, but 4am, and she hears people yelling for Haleigh in the background and lays back down...then at 6am "I woke up Timmy when we realized this was serious."

who is 'we'?

people amaze me...

[?noanswer]

I believe someone corrected it to Chelsea not wanting to wake Timmy or her girls.

IMO, the people at Tyler Street were wide awake.

JMO


Ok, guess I missed that correction. Thanks. JMO

[Justice4all]

When was the area around PDM searched?

Searched for what?

[Elle]

*LOL. I think a few of us here will be eating crow when this is over.
I like mine with a side of fries if it comes to that. :smile:

I too will be "I-told-you-so-ing" all over the place if it turns out I was right.

MOO of course.

Ugh, that drives me crazy, how on Gods green earth can they clear someone who has not been seen or questioned???

...they 'assume' he died in a dumpster accident???

lunacy

I also still hold the belief, along with my theories re. Tommy and Joe and others, that a RSO did not have to even go to the house, possibly someone brought Haleigh to him/her (thinking him), possibly someone who was there earlier.
Is there away to 'trip' (not sure if that is the right word) the ankle monitors??

imoo

[bugout]

It's no secret that you don't like Chad and it's getting real old without proof and that is my nice version of this one.

possibly doth (not you) protests too much.....you know the old saying.

It is pretty sad. I'm totally no on board for the SO did it in this case.

Not On Board.

Bug

[CFMom]

It's no secret that you don't like Chad and it's getting real old without proof and that is my nice version of this one.

I don't know Chad to hate him. However, I do have a couple opinions and its my right to have them. Do I tell you that you sound like a broken record when you post your opinion against Ron..which I guess according to your thoughts..you hate him. Now please stop attacking my posts. respond as you wish just no need to attack.

PS I couldnt care less about your nice or unnice version. I am entitled to an opinion and I plan to give it when I want./

[CFMom]

That's what I remember also.
Same reason I asked about Chad G. since LE hasn't said.

Don't ask about Chad. The cyber police will call you a hater and tell you that you are a broke record. if its not about Rons guilt then some aren't happy.

[Elle]

:shrug:

Martha Stewart, homemaker extraordinaire, said she went online and learned how to remove hers if she was so inclined..

OMG, that is bad, very very bad. So it is possible to remove it, leave it at home where 'it' is being monitored, and leave....that is very scary.

[CFMom]

Do you mean Ron who puts on the back of his truck that "Only God can judge him?"

Maybe we should all walk away and that happen. At least HaLeigh isn't suffering, and God will protect Jr.

As far as my opinion of him -- show me the post where I said hate.


For the record, you do know that you are on ignore unless I decide to read your bs.

If I was on ignore my opinion wouldn't bother you so badly.

[CFMom]

As far as the writing on Rons window...as a believer in Christ the only one who can judge that it counts is God. Don't see what that had to do with Haleigh though.:confused:

[HouseOfClark]

Does anyone know if Tommy, Timmy, Sapp, Chad G. Joe P. WBG and that crew knew each other (before the "Ron and Misty" pairing in 2008) or hung around together when 'in town'?

TIA

Small town.

Didn't Amber Brooks know Misty and her mother? Same for Lindsay IIRC.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Chad G. was married to Helen for several years, and I don't think they lived in Putnam County, so his connections to this group might be limited.

LOL, Lord I hope Tommy and Timmy knew each other! :tonguewag:

[panman]

See the record is still broken. Super glue might fix it.

Is there enough super glue to change those opinions and prove them wrong? Maybe its not that poster whose record is broken?

[CFMom]

Is there enough super glue to change those opinions and prove them wrong? Maybe its not that poster whose record is broken?

TY. Seems that poster is more concerned with attacking me than they are Haleigh.

[CFMom]

It happened in Putnam county because that is where Haleigh lives. Doesn't mean the perp was from that county or that the actual crime happen there.

[SilentSanity]

TY. Seems that poster is more concerned with attacking me than they are Haleigh.

ITA CFMom. Just keep doing what you're doing, this is where posters should come to discuss the case, and not their opinions on other's opinions. There's only so many people to discuss anyway, so we're bound to keep talking about the same people IMO

What's left to say but to continue asking the same questions many of us have been asking for months (about all involved)? Unless we get new info, there's just not much new to discuss IMO

[SilentSanity]

GGMS has admitted to be at the "crime scene" and some mystery person with her.


But what would GGMS motive be to take HaLeigh? Or do you think the mystery person is the one with motive? Just curious..

[Justice4all]

Did anyone find it strange Crystal said she had never been in Ron's new house but Marie said Crystal had been in the house before?

[CFMom]

Do you have any PROOF it didn't happen there? And if so the "perp" had to be there ... duh..

I have as much proof it didnt as you do it did. Duh

[just4justice]

Does anyone know if Tommy, Timmy, Sapp, Chad G. Joe P. WBG and that crew knew each other (before the "Ron and Misty" pairing in 2008) or hung around together when 'in town'?

TIA
Since Sapp was living with the Croslins when he first returned to Satsuma I guess one could safely say theyknew each other. As for the rest of them my guess would be birds of a feather...........

[*Pia]

Did anyone find it strange Crystal said she had never been in Ron's new house but Marie said Crystal had been in the house before?

I thought it was strange when I first heard about it but then I remembered Ron had not lived there very long...maybe she was thinking about the old residence....who really knows though?

[CFMom]

Duh right. Someone magically took her away and wasn't there.

Whatever. I've probably seen a pink elephant since you have.

Someone from another county could have taken her..or from another state for all we know.

[*Pia]

More so, I think that mystery person knows something ... here's a thought -- mystery person is/was a nurse and HaLeigh needed one.

Are you saying a nurse was with GGS? If so, who?

[SilentSanity]

More so, I think that mystery person knows something ... here's a thought -- mystery person is/was a nurse and HaLeigh needed one.

Ok, thanks for answering, I see where you are going with this...makes more sense to me now. But I think Jr would remember something of all that happening. Although I don't know what Jr told LE (and boy would I like to know that!), I haven't seen any indication that they are suspicious of GGMS or that visit.

Personally, I'm a lot more curious about Tommy, who also admits to being there that night. But not until many months later does he admit to it, which is just another reason I am suspicious of him..

[baywench]

Did anyone find it strange Crystal said she had never been in Ron's new house but Marie said Crystal had been in the house before?


IIRC that was cleared up because she was referring to the fact that she had not been in the house before Haleigh went missing but later she did go to the MH after Haleigh was missing. jmo

[*Pia]

And some of us have been asking for real information and cut down every step of the way -- like WHEN was RC at work not some off the wall stuff, and I hope everyone does remember that he was in contact with HaLeigh the day she is no longer accounted for -- or is that another lie.

I think all of us want answers and real information the same as you do. You have to admit, our questions get knocked down too.

[just4justice]

Do you mean Ron who puts on the back of his truck that "Only God can judge him?"

Maybe we should all walk away and that happen. At least HaLeigh isn't suffering, and God will protect Jr.

As far as my opinion of him -- show me the post where I said hate.


For the record, you do know that you are on ignore unless I decide to read your bs.
Only God Can Judge Me was already on the truck when he bought it.

[SilentSanity]

And some of us have been asking for real information and cut down every step of the way -- like WHEN was RC at work not some off the wall stuff, and I hope everyone does remember that he was in contact with HaLeigh the day she is no longer accounted for -- or is that another lie.

I agree many of us have been asking for more information. I just think sometimes we take our frustrations out on other posters opinions, but we are all frustrated with not knowing the answers to the questions we would like answered after all this time.
And I think LE was clear that Ron whereabouts were verified (by pings, security, co-workers, whatever info they have). Unless LE is flatout lying to the public about the timeline, they think whatever happened, happened while Ron was at work. IMO, the AC man probably helped them reach that conclusion. But I wish they would come out and just say that, so while I can see where you are coming from, I still think LE has been clear that they do not suspect Ron (or Crystal for that matter).

[Justice4all]

IIRC that was cleared up because she was referring to the fact that she had not been in the house before Haleigh went missing but later she did go to the MH after Haleigh was missing. jmo

No that's not the way it was said on Gretta just two or three days after Haleigh went missing.

and why would Crystal go in the house AFTER Haleigh went missing? :confused:

[Justice4all]

Only God Can Judge Me was already on the truck when he bought it.

Did Ron buy the truck before or after haleigh went missing?

[just4justice]

Small town.

Didn't Amber Brooks know Misty and her mother? Same for Lindsay IIRC.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Chad G. was married to Helen for several years, and I don't think they lived in Putnam County, so his connections to this group might be limited.

LOL, Lord I hope Tommy and Timmy knew each other! :tonguewag:
I thought we had been told not to mention Amber Brooks, but since you brought her up I've always wondered about the threat Misty made about getting her man and her kid. Also, her name has come up frequently when the partying subject is discussed. It seems I recall reading too.....maybe at AH..I don't know cause I rarely go there that Nay Nay had said something about Amber borrowing her car and then deliberately spreading some kind of liquid throughout the trunk (as if to cover evidence.) I didn't think too much about it at the time, but I suppose she could have been involved in some way other than just the partying. That doesn't take me away from the theory I've had, but adds to it as I imagine there could be a connection (you know - another birds of a feather thingie.) It certainly wouldn't be beneath AB to seek revenge against Misty for stealing her man.

[panman]

Someone from another county could have taken her..or from another state for all we know.

why are you trying to making sense from a nonsense post?

[*Pia]

This is one of those freaky things that should have been resolved back when this first happened, but after it became aware that MC may have left the house, then TN said she sent a family member to check on them and oh, gee, I was suppose to believe that someone "there" at 7 o'clock proved they were there all night.

While I admit my sourses were limited then, it took me at least 3 weeks to find that family member was supposedly GGMS and I finally then got "we" and it was she drove by etc etc etc.

And the "we" was everything to something in her pocket, bringing Jr home, can't forget the dog, and then it another family member who must be totally camera shy. Then within the last month, based upon something that MC said during one of those test, it came out that it was (remember who knows when/if she told the truth), it was the wife of someone's relative and that person had some sort of nursing background.

Thank you. The last part is one that I have not heard before. So Misty admited there was another person with Mrs. Sykes?

[just4justice]

Did Ron buy the truck before or after haleigh went missing?
I don't recall, but I'll search around to see if I can find out.

[*Pia]

Strange that both of them have admitted to being there.

But you are absolutely right. Little grandson B was born same month as Jr so I tend to compare the 2. Unless someone has made him into a liar, he's the real key. If they are listening, he will tell 'em probably more than they really want to know.

BBM
Okay, I am lost....who is this? You think he is the key or Ron and Crystal's son is?

[SilentSanity]

I thought we had been told not to mention Amber Brooks, but since you brought her up I've always wondered about the threat Misty made about getting her man and her kid. Also, her name has come up frequently when the partying subject is discussed. It seems I recall reading too.....maybe at AH..I don't know cause I rarely go there that Nay Nay had said something about Amber borrowing her car and then deliberately spreading some kind of liquid throughout the trunk (as if to cover evidence.) I didn't think too much about it at the time, but I suppose she could have been involved in some way other than just the partying. That doesn't take me away from the theory I've had, but adds to it as I imagine there could be a connection (you know - another birds of a feather thingie.) It certainly wouldn't be beneath AB to seek revenge against Misty for stealing her man.

BBM

I've considered that theory a few times, and have not completely discounted it, yet. What perfect revenge on both Ron and Misty. Take away Ron's heart and set-up Misty to take the fall, or at least be the negligent one who lost her in Ron's eyes.

She would probably know how exhausted Misty would be that night, or maybe she was already there with Misty, or knew Misty wasn't home (with that one though, other people would know Misty wasn't home too and I think they would've spilled). I still see it as possible...excellent motive for sure!

[Justice4all]

Small town.

Didn't Amber Brooks know Misty and her mother? Same for Lindsay IIRC.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Chad G. was married to Helen for several years, and I don't think they lived in Putnam County, so his connections to this group might be limited.

LOL, Lord I hope Tommy and Timmy knew each other! :tonguewag:

Wasn't it Ambers mother that beat Misty up?

[SilentSanity]

they say "20 calls" and only 2 pings from where he clocked in .. how does that work. And I'm only 100 miles from Missour and a big-time Cardinal fan so show me otherwise.

I'm still not eliminating that HaLeigh found "valentine candy" that was really drugs, and ate them. It's one of those "IRS" things that prove it came from somewhere else than her home. Ron being there or not is not important and there are plenty of people who could have seen her up to the 1 1/2 hours but not that she was alive.

Scary, I know, and I don't like it, but my logic brain says the odds are better than some who lives in a different county, would be immediately recognized as should not be in the area -- which is why I've screamed and will do so -- put Chad (or someone who will do it for him in the area first).

I'm sure they had more than 2 pings to base their belief he was at PDM that night, so that's not much of an issue for me..

FWIW, I've not eliminated HaLeigh finding "valentine candy" (drugs) and ingesting them either. But if that happened, I think she called her family in to help cover it up and I don't think she admitted it to Ron. Definitely a possibility IMO.

Since we know so little, and LE has only stated Ron and Crystal not being suspects, I can see why people want to know more about Chad before completely taking him of their list of suspects. The child support leaves a huge motive.. IMO though, almost any theory involving the Croslins is a mucher bigger possibility, simply because they are much closer in proximity, and more connected to Misty. Just my two cents on that one though :smile:

[Justice4all]

I'm still curious who the black man wearing all black is that Jr saw taking Haleigh that night.

[*Pia]

Tonight is not the one to get me on details but I believe it was "Aunt Lisa" and some have translated that to the wife of the one that is reported to have been arrested for beating up the same guy that was involved in the latest road rage.

Thanks...I thought her name was Heather...will have to look around and see where I saw that. Sometimes I mix up things I have read and what has been said to me...

[*Pia]

BBM

I've considered that theory a few times, and have not completely discounted it, yet. What perfect revenge on both Ron and Misty. Take away Ron's heart and set-up Misty to take the fall, or at least be the negligent one who lost her in Ron's eyes.

She would probably know how exhausted Misty would be that night, or maybe she was already there with Misty, or knew Misty wasn't home (with that one though, other people would know Misty wasn't home too and I think they would've spilled). I still see it as possible...excellent motive for sure!

I don't think she would have been there with Misty though if what they told us is true about the weekend. Weren't they supposed to have gotten into a fight? Do you think Misty would let her in?

[SilentSanity]

No, that one is strictly someone personal in my life that was born the same month as Jr. and I can't help it even thinking he is the genius of the world, I do try to be real. Still, there are some things that I've heard that I won't buy 'cause Jr "was there".. I can guarantee that he would know if he was playing outside with his sissy unless and I have to add this someone confused him between the time it happened and he talked to "the cops" 'cause that's how he is thinking of it.

BBM

I totally agree with you on the Jr factor in all of this, but that is one of the reasons, for me, that makes it easy for me to believe LE when they Ron is not a suspect. I think if something happened earlier in the day, before Ron went to work, Jr would remember that. But if something happened, like HaLeigh getting into a drug stash say, later in the evening after GGMS and guest left, that could make sense. Weren't the 2 kids watching movies in different rooms? I bet Misty would call Tommy or Timmy for help. I wish we knew her phone records from that night!! Though, she could run to Tommy's (while Jr was busy with his movie) for help leaving no phone record too..

[*Pia]

No, that one is strictly someone personal in my life that was born the same month as Jr. and I can't help it even thinking he is the genius of the world, I do try to be real. Still, there are some things that I've heard that I won't buy 'cause Jr "was there".. I can guarantee that he would know if he was playing outside with his sissy unless and I have to add this someone confused him between the time it happened and he talked to "the cops" 'cause that's how he is thinking of it.

My bad...I thought you were talking about someone in the case...LOL
and of course, mine is a little genius too....

Like someone said earlier, I would love to know what Haleigh's little brother told LE.

[SilentSanity]

I don't think she would have been there with Misty though if what they told us is true about the weekend. Weren't they supposed to have gotten into a fight? Do you think Misty would let her in?

With this group of people who knows?! Who would think NayNay would be living with the Croslins after all this happened, kwim? I'm not tied to her being there with Misty that night though, she could've came and did it after Misty passed out too IMO. It could be as simple as Misty being mad at Ron and Amber luring her with drugs, WBG, or whatever to hang out with that night too though. You could say I'm very flexible with that theory :laugh: I just think she has strong motive, and knowledge about Misty's activities in the previous days doesn't hurt either..

[*Pia]

With this group of people who knows?! Who would think NayNay would be living with the Croslins after all this happened, kwim? I'm not tied to her being there with Misty that night though, she could've came and did it after Misty passed out too IMO. It could be as simple as Misty being mad at Ron and Amber luring her with drugs, WBG, or whatever to hang out with that night too though. You could say I'm very flexible with that theory :laugh: I just think she has strong motive, and knowledge about Misty's activities in the previous days doesn't hurt either..

I don't have a link so I am going to say this is my very strong opinion...but I don't think NayNay is living with them....I think she just spent one night there.:wink:

[SilentSanity]

I don't have a link so I am going to say this is my very strong opinion...but I don't think NayNay is living with them....I think she just spent one night there.:wink:

I can believe your strong opinion no problem lol, no link necessary. I still stand by the point in my post though. Not too much would surprise me with this group, unless they actually started telling the truth! That would surprise me! I can't help but think at least some of them are hiding something..

[*Pia]

I can believe your strong opinion no problem lol, no link necessary. I still stand by the point in my post though. Not too much would surprise me with this group, unless they actually started telling the truth! That would surprise me! I can't help but think at least some of them are hiding something..

BBM
I totally agree with that!

[SilentSanity]

IIRC Ron's cell hit on two towers near PDM and not just two pings

MOO

That sounds about right to me.. I knew the 2 ping thing was not quite accurate, I was just too lazy to go back to look for a link :tongueside:

I'm sure LE is also using other information to confirm his whereabouts, so if they say he was at PDM and not a suspect, that is good enough for me :biggrin:

[tia marie]

This is a very interesting transcript from the past.

It mentions the two cell towers.

More importantly, it talks about Ron throwing Misty's clothes out back then, but yet, just a week or so ago, he was the gentleman, and picked her up on Tyler and drove round trip to retreive her belongings at Mrs. Sykes.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/22/ng.01.html

[panman]

That's real news, if true. I've been told I' live near Sherman which is no proof that I was at werk.

BBM

What is "WERK"?

[SilentSanity]

This is a very interesting transcript from the past.

It mentions the two cell towers.

More importantly, it talks about Ron throwing Misty's clothes out back then, but yet, just a week or so ago, he was the gentleman, and picked her up on Tyler and drove round trip to retreive her belongings at Mrs. Sykes.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/22/ng.01.html


Thanks for the link :smile: That's where I remember hearing about the cell tower information

[panman]

work in RC's language.

Really? I would like to see proof of how RC spells it, says it.

[panman]

OK, I see. A slur on Ronald. I got you now.

Hmmm, if thats what it is then I don't believe its a "slur" on RC.

[Justice4all]

What would you call making fun of someone's dialect?

disrespectful and tacky

[panman]

What would you call making fun of someone's dialect?

Oh RR, I call it a "slur" alright but it also shows the mentality of where it came from.

[panman]

:punch: Well... Some days you just need to draw me a picture.
Sorry. :blushing:

No problem RR, been there plenty of times myself, lol

[CFMom]

If people would put half the energy into writing actual letters and asking the Attorney General and the Inspector General, heck, even the Governor of Florida to get involved in this case, that they put into trying to defend the actions of Ron and Misty, the case would be solved or at least there would be a release of information.

This is all just my opinion of course.

And if some would put all their energy into writing letters and sending emails asking those you stated to get involved rather than spending all their time bashing Ron,the case would be solved or at least there would be a release of information.

[HouseOfClark]

This is one of those freaky things that should have been resolved back when this first happened, but after it became aware that MC may have left the house, then TN said she sent a family member to check on them and oh, gee, I was suppose to believe that someone "there" at 7 o'clock proved they were there all night.

While I admit my sourses were limited then, it took me at least 3 weeks to find that family member was supposedly GGMS and I finally then got "we" and it was she drove by etc etc etc.

And the "we" was everything to something in her pocket, bringing Jr home, can't forget the dog, and then it another family member who must be totally camera shy. Then within the last month, based upon something that MC said during one of those test, it came out that it was (remember who knows when/if she told the truth), it was the wife of someone's relative and that person had some sort of nursing background.

If that were true, it makes a whole lot more sense that Jr. was with GGS all day, rather than sleeping all morning with Ron and Misty, taking a nap while Ron went to pick up Haleigh and then going to bed at 8:00.

JMO

[HouseOfClark]

I thought we had been told not to mention Amber Brooks, but since you brought her up I've always wondered about the threat Misty made about getting her man and her kid. Also, her name has come up frequently when the partying subject is discussed. It seems I recall reading too.....maybe at AH..I don't know cause I rarely go there that Nay Nay had said something about Amber borrowing her car and then deliberately spreading some kind of liquid throughout the trunk (as if to cover evidence.) I didn't think too much about it at the time, but I suppose she could have been involved in some way other than just the partying. That doesn't take me away from the theory I've had, but adds to it as I imagine there could be a connection (you know - another birds of a feather thingie.) It certainly wouldn't be beneath AB to seek revenge against Misty for stealing her man.

Oh we can discuss Amber Brooks, just not her baby or try to connect him to Ron.

Misty says that's how she met Ron, while she was babysitting for Amber's baby.

That is, IF Misty can be believed about anything these days.

But Amber Brooks, IMO, would have just as much motive to get back at Misty AND Ron as anyone else. And she's had quite the downward spiral this past year. (Along with a few other people).

Just my opinion though.

[HouseOfClark]

*LOL. I think a few of us here will be eating crow when this is over.
I like mine with a side of fries if it comes to that. :smile:

I too will be "I-told-you-so-ing" all over the place if it turns out I was right.

MOO of course.

No you won't, I'd like to think you're a better person than that. Like the rest of us, you will be stunned and saddened to find out that someone Haleigh knew, loved, and trusted was responsible for her disappearance. And that that was the last person she saw and she felt real fear for the last moments.

JMO

[HouseOfClark]

I don't know what to believe about that one, but it sure opens at lot of ???????

It sure does.

[*Pia]

You're not bad.

If I am getting the pieces right, it's too bad that some nice lady from LE did not ride with them to "talk to the cops" and there is always the possibility that something was said in the car that would have distorted what he said.

Oh, I have my moments...TY...LOL

I am very surprised that they didn't separate everyone. I can see allowing him to ride there with Granny but alone surprises me. Not because I think anything nefarious about Mrs. Sykes but it just seems that the normal procedure would be to keep everyone from asking him questions or telling him anything until he was fully questioned.

[whitney]

After racking my brain and thinking about all of this. Does anybody here think that Misty's inconsistancies is what is holding back this investigation. Somehow I find that hard to believe. I would think they would try to be sure that Tommy really went by there that night, didn't he say he would take a LDT at one time. I really can't see her leaving the kids by themselves either, anyone could come by like TN or GGMS. So if she went out I would think she took them with her, but they must have been sleeping or else Jr would have said something about where they went and that is why Haleigh's blanket was in the van and then maybe she came home say around midnight or so and then crashed. Then I think one of her friends came by and took Haleigh possibly for payment for more drugs, as did Shaniya's mom(I shudder as I type this)thus the man in black. I truly think this is more common than we know and that is why Ronald punched the back door and knew someone came in and stole his child and called him a sicko. I think that is why Tim Miller thinks she is "gone". These are just opinions I have come up with. JMO

[CFMom]

Prayers for Haleigh:wub:

[whitney]

Aw shucks HOC. :blushing: I hope I can refrain from some I told you so-s..

Part of my daily prayer for HaLeigh concerns the last face she saw.
If that child was killed by someone she loved, someone in her close circle, it's going to be a hard blow to her family and many of us.

I'm praying it was a stranger and we never know what she endured if truly gone form this earth.

MOO
I really don't believe it was someone she knew, I think it was probably someone that RC and or Misty knows and just maybe past drug dealings and fear is what is keeping Misty from saying all she knows. I do think that LE probably knows she went out for a while, but she won't admit to it because she could be charged with hindering an investigation. Maybe if she was offered immunity form that charge or the neglect charge if she did leave them alone she might start talking. i do believe she has come clean to Ronald and he has a good idea of what she did that night and that he believes that she did do something she shouldn't have it had nothing to do with harming Haleigh. JMO

[4Kids]

I really don't believe it was someone she knew, I think it was probably someone that RC and or Misty knows and just maybe past drug dealings and fear is what is keeping Misty from saying all she knows. I do think that LE probably knows she went out for a while, but she won't admit to it because she could be charged with hindering an investigation. Maybe if she was offered immunity form that charge or the neglect charge if she did leave them alone she might start talking. i do believe she has come clean to Ronald and he has a good idea of what she did that night and that he believes that she did do something she shouldn't have it had nothing to do with harming Haleigh. JMO

Whitney....I agree with some of your post. I agree that the person who "stole" Haleigh was known to Ron, Misty and more than likely known to many of the sheffields and Croslins as they all seem to travel with an unsavory bunch of friends.

That being said...I DO think that Misty left these children alone. I DON'T think she told Ron...but DO think she told her family members (or they knew as they were with her that evening). I hold out no hope that anyone of the Croslins will ever come clean. They cover for each other, steal, etc. and that seems to be the way they have lived for a long time.

This case will be solved by accident. By someone coming across a body, or someone telling all when jammed up by LE for a large crime where a lot of time in the house is at stake.

These are all my opinions.

Nice to see theories and good discussion here. IMO

[whitney]

Whitney....I agree with some of your post. I agree that the person who "stole" Haleigh was known to Ron, Misty and more than likely known to many of the sheffields and Croslins as they all seem to travel with an unsavory bunch of friends.

That being said...I DO think that Misty left these children alone. I DON'T think she told Ron...but DO think she told her family members (or they knew as they were with her that evening). I hold out no hope that anyone of the Croslins will ever come clean. They cover for each other, steal, etc. and that seems to be the way they have lived for a long time.

This case will be solved by accident. By someone coming across a body, or someone telling all when jammed up by LE for a large crime where a lot of time in the house is at stake.

These are all my opinions.

Nice to see theories and good discussion here. IMO
You may be right and have to wonder why LE went to Mass to question Timmy. Tommy may just be taking the heat for something that the other brother may know something about. Wasn't cousin Joe staying with them and hightailed it back to Tenn the next day, and they are the ones that had the van that came up parked differently the next day with a scratch on it. JMO

[FoxySly]

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Is this thread still open???


:thumbup: glad CW seen through the misspelling 101 BS

Sly

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[datacop]

This is a very interesting transcript from the past.

It mentions the two cell towers.

More importantly, it talks about Ron throwing Misty's clothes out back then, but yet, just a week or so ago, he was the gentleman, and picked her up on Tyler and drove round trip to retreive her belongings at Mrs. Sykes.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/22/ng.01.html

Maybe they get along better now that they're divorced.

[just4justice]

If people would put half the energy into writing actual letters and asking the Attorney General and the Inspector General, heck, even the Governor of Florida to get involved in this case, that they put into trying to defend the actions of Ron and Misty, the case would be solved or at least there would be a release of information.

This is all just my opinion of course.

I have, as many others have written to every possible politician, etc. in the state. Lots of luck. The governor is so busy planning his bid for the senate he could care less. As for the rest.....well it seems they have their own agenda and missing children isn't near the top of the list. There are so many missing children in Florida it is just pathetic. The number of RSO's is astronomical. The only answer to prevent future abductions by SO's is castration of any and all offenders.

[EMAA]

IMO it doesn't have anything to do with the organ. It's all about power and control.

[Texas48]

Whitney....I agree with some of your post. I agree that the person who "stole" Haleigh was known to Ron, Misty and more than likely known to many of the sheffields and Croslins as they all seem to travel with an unsavory bunch of friends.

That being said...I DO think that Misty left these children alone. I DON'T think she told Ron...but DO think she told her family members (or they knew as they were with her that evening). I hold out no hope that anyone of the Croslins will ever come clean. They cover for each other, steal, etc. and that seems to be the way they have lived for a long time.

This case will be solved by accident. By someone coming across a body, or someone telling all when jammed up by LE for a large crime where a lot of time in the house is at stake.

These are all my opinions.

Nice to see theories and good discussion here. IMOBBM
Several posters feel just like you do 4kids. I feel the case will be solved..maybe not right now..maybe years down the road..but HaLeigh will be brought home and she will get *Justice.* imo

[tia marie]

BBM
Several posters feel just like you do 4kids. I feel the case will be solved..maybe not right now..maybe years down the road..but HaLeigh will be brought home and she will get *Justice.* imo

So sad that it *may take years down the road* for *Halieigh to be brought home and she will get justice*. She needs to be brought home now. As LE has said for 11 mos.....* Misty holds the key*.

[Texas48]

So sad that it *may take years down the road* for *Halieigh to be brought home and she will get justice*. She needs to be brought home now. As LE has said for 11 mos.....* Misty holds the key*.
I'm not disagreeing with you *tia*..I believe that is what we ALL want.

[just4justice]

That covers some types assault, but a sexual organ isn't the only thing these creeps need/use/do.

IMO, they need to receive 20+ years, first offense.
Day for day.
No time off for good behavior.

No exceptions.


MOO
I agree with all that, but castration puts an end to their sexual urges or so I'm told.

[just4justice]

I pray it will be sooner than later. Those families need closure and the perp needs to be put away forever.

[*Pia]

I agree with all that, but castration puts an end to their sexual urges or so I'm told.

The DP puts an end to it all....:biggrinjester:

[just4justice]

The DP puts an end to it all....:biggrinjester:

I'm for that, too!!!!


ETA - The trouble with that is the bleeding hearts who think they should only get a slap on the wrist.

[4Kids]

So sad that it *may take years down the road* for *Halieigh to be brought home and she will get justice*. She needs to be brought home now. As LE has said for 11 mos.....* Misty holds the key*.

Tia....LE HAS said this for 11 months. They haven't questioned her on any of her inconsistencies for 6 months. Why? Even if she has a lawyer, they are not prevented from at least calling her in for questioning, especially if they can prove that her story was fabrcated. Perhpas they can't. The KEY is running the streets and living her life. Why? The KEY to a case should feel some pressure....right? I think the KEY to the case lies elsewhere within the Croslin family. IMO

[datacop]

Tia....LE HAS said this for 11 months. They haven't questioned her on any of her inconsistencies for 6 months. Why? Even if she has a lawyer, they are not prevented from at least calling her in for questioning, especially if they can prove that her story was fabrcated. Perhpas they can't. The KEY is running the streets and living her life. Why? The KEY to a case should feel some pressure....right? I think the KEY to the case lies elsewhere within the Croslin family. IMO

Are you sure they've not talked to her for 6 months?

[just4justice]

Seems we've lost a lot of participants now that the discussion has drifted away from Ron and Crystal.:wink::ohmy:

[4Kids]

I'm for that, too!!!!

Me too, Justice. I have no qualms about killing baby killers and molesters. As long as there in no question of innocence, I would happily do the injection, pull the trigger, etc. Having vunerable children makes one become alot less liberal regarding things such as these. If Haleigh is truly no longer with us due to someone's heinous act, I have no problem saying the guilty party should pay with their lives. IMO

[4Kids]

Are you sure they've not talked to her for 6 months?

No, data. However, there have been no reports indicating such. When Pytko, Tommy, Lindsay, NayNay were questioned....it made the news. If Misty was questioned, I would highly doubt it would not be known....unless of course LE did it on the DownLow???IMO

[4Kids]

I agree with all that, but castration puts an end to their sexual urges or so I'm told.

I've heard sexual urges no longer exist, yet the desire for power over the weak and vunerable may be excaberated by castration, whether physical or chemical. Many in the mental health field believe pedophilia is more of control issue than a sexual one??? IMO

[4Kids]

Hello. Echo. Echo. Am I here all alone? IMO

[4Kids]

BTW...anyone know where Cousin Joe is these days? Is he in or out of the big house? What state was he in? TN? IMO

Also....A poster indicated a few days ago that Loukakis' whereabouts were know due to his ankle monitor? Was that confirmed by LE? IMO

[bugout]

I don't think that was the fate of this child at all. I think she was a victim of abuse, but not sexually abused or kidnapped.

I don't like the reports i have heard and read about the days leading up to that night. I don't think any parent should need to "clarify" with DFS "how" they use corporal punishment on their kid. If they do, they have a problem imo.

But SO's stealing her, I'm a huge no with this case. Nothing has happened yet to change my mind on that either. But things have happened to solidfy my feelings about the type of people that Haleigh was living with. Especially the incidents of "rage".

Let's just label them rage. Road rage, verbal rage, threatening physical violence on others. This is what Haleigh lived around. Because this is all we've seen coming out of that home. Fights Fights and More Fights. Guns, Road Rage Incidents, Paranoia, Drug abuse, and unemployment. Illiteracy. I believe this is what Haleigh's daily life was full of.
Bug

[4Kids]

I don't think that was the fate of this child at all. I think she was a victim of abuse, but not sexually abused or kidnapped.

I don't like the reports i have heard and read about the days leading up to that night. I don't think any parent should need to "clarify" with DFS "how" they use corporal punishment on their kid. If they do, they have a problem imo.

But SO's stealing her, I'm a huge no with this case. Nothing has happened yet to change my mind on that either. But things have happened to solidfy my feelings about the type of people that Haleigh was living with. Especially the incidents of "rage".

Let's just label them rage. Road rage, verbal rage, threatening physical violence on others. This is what Haleigh lived around. Because this is all we've seen coming out of that home. Fights Fights and More Fights. Guns, Road Rage Incidents, Paranoia, Drug abuse, and unemployment. Illiteracy. I believe this is what Haleigh's daily life was full of.
Bug

You may be right, Bug. Just as your gut tells you it was her Dad, (I think you have stated that in the past), my gut tells me an SO. Either way...the outcome is UGLY. Poor child. MOO

[FrankieBones1]

BBM
Several posters feel just like you do 4kids. I feel the case will be solved..maybe not right now..maybe years down the road..but HaLeigh will be brought home and she will get *Justice.* imo
Good post, TexSis. We can only hope that she'll get justice one day.

[Texas48]

Good post, TexSis. We can only hope that she'll get justice one day.BBM
Yep..she will Franki. How many cases go unsolved and its been years for alot of them..but I feel eventually HaLeigh's case will get solved.

[TaraCrazyHair]

No random stranger walked into that home and took Haleigh

SO or otherwise

IMO

[datacop]

No random stranger walked into that home and took Haleigh

SO or otherwise

IMO

ITA especially if that back door was locked as RC and/or MC insisted. Can't remember who said what, who quoted what, who changed what.

[datacop]

No, data. However, there have been no reports indicating such. When Pytko, Tommy, Lindsay, NayNay were questioned....it made the news. If Misty was questioned, I would highly doubt it would not be known....unless of course LE did it on the DownLow???IMO

It seems that when asked LE has indicated that they interview the same people over but never say who. Makes you wonder either way. I do remember for awhile that everytime someone would ask about MC, the answer would be they talk to various people.

[TaraCrazyHair]

It seems that when asked LE has indicated that they interview the same people over but never say who. Makes you wonder either way. I do remember for awhile that everytime someone would ask about MC, the answer would be they talk to various people.
Personally ... I feel LE knows Haleigh is long gone from this Earth and recovering her remains is never going to happen so their focus is is to bring their suspect(s) in with enough concrete evidence to ensure a resolution in justice

I can wait --- that day will happen

[4Kids]

No random stranger walked into that home and took Haleigh

SO or otherwise

IMO

I have never suggested a RANDOM SO. In fact, I don't find that likely at all. So we do agree on this ,Tara.

IMO

[4Kids]

ITA especially if that back door was locked as RC and/or MC insisted. Can't remember who said what, who quoted what, who changed what.

I believe the doors were unlocked while Misty was out of the home. But that is only my theory. IMO

ETA Ron said he always checked the doors to be sure they were locked. I know I, as a parent of four do the same. Double check every night...even on doors I KNOW should be locked. Who knows what went on after he left? IMO

[HouseOfClark]

Seems we've lost a lot of participants now that the discussion has drifted away from Ron and Crystal.:wink::ohmy:

No, some of us have to work.

Who was being discussed last? Timmy?

I'm all for that.

Timmy - Misty's "go to" guy whenever she had a problem (so she says).

Timmy - Ron's favorite of Misty's brothers.

Timmy - who supposedly had possession of the van that night. Was that the van "they took" that contained Misty's blanket?

Timmy - Who Chelsea didn't want to wake at 4:00 a.m. because they had a "late night". Doing what?

Timmy - Whose wife Chelsea decided two hours later that Haleigh missing was important enough to wake her family? Did they already know it prior to 4:00 a.m.?

Timmy - who moved from the state after Haleigh's disappearance.

Timmy - Didn't he also get a call that night (from Tommy IIRC) regarding Misty's whereabouts? Why was that? Why would anyone think that Misty would be in Crescent City when she should have been on Green Lane in Satsuma?

JMO

[just4justice]

LOL. I know work - did it for 55 years.
As for Timmy....this is the first he has come up in quite awhile. Somewhere there is a video of Chelsea talking about the scratch on the van. Pretty suspicious, but LE returned the van saying it wasn't involved. Still seemed a bit too coincidental. LE knows where he is so if he has any involvement they know where to find him.

[just4justice]

I have never suggested a RANDOM SO. In fact, I don't find that likely at all. So we do agree on this ,Tara.

IMO
Definitely not a random SO. One only need to check the family trees to see how many RSO's there were in these families. I'm certain this was someone well known to all 3 families. I hope the fa's are correct and this is the beginning of things that will lead to finding this little girl. These parents need closure.

[just4justice]

I also think it's more than a coincidence that Sapp returned to Satsuma 1/26/09 and moved in with the Tommy Croslins before moving to 2nd Ave. with Billye Griffis a few weeks later. Even that incident is a bit odd considering the circumstances of Billye's husband death. He was hit by a pickup truck while crossing the street. I thought that in itself was quite suspicious, but no charges were brought.

[just4justice]

Another interesting thought. When I googled Billye Griffis (nee Wager) the page goes right to a number of topics about Haleigh Cummings disappearance. There are a number of sites that refer to various blogs, etc. Y'all might want to check it out.

[just4justice]

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/fort-lauderdale-fl/TNHVG83ISRLKCCFI1/p22
The 5th comment down has some most interesting stuff that can be verified by googling. Sapp has a very long history of criminal activity. He should have been permanently behind bars years ago.

[CFMom]

I don't think that was the fate of this child at all. I think she was a victim of abuse, but not sexually abused or kidnapped.

I don't like the reports i have heard and read about the days leading up to that night. I don't think any parent should need to "clarify" with DFS "how" they use corporal punishment on their kid. If they do, they have a problem imo.

But SO's stealing her, I'm a huge no with this case. Nothing has happened yet to change my mind on that either. But things have happened to solidfy my feelings about the type of people that Haleigh was living with. Especially the incidents of "rage".

Let's just label them rage. Road rage, verbal rage, threatening physical violence on others. This is what Haleigh lived around. Because this is all we've seen coming out of that home. Fights Fights and More Fights. Guns, Road Rage Incidents, Paranoia, Drug abuse, and unemployment. Illiteracy. I believe this is what Haleigh's daily life was full of.
Bug

So you think its possible Chad had something to do with this? Helens PO against him for three years makes him one of my suspects for sure!

[CFMom]

Good post, TexSis. We can only hope that she'll get justice one day.

I don't care who turns out guilty as long as the person/s are arrested and Haleigh found.

[CFMom]

ITA especially if that back door was locked as RC and/or MC insisted. Can't remember who said what, who quoted what, who changed what.

When Ron left for work it probably was locked. Doesn't mean it was unlocked after. I have no doubt Ron thought it was. MOO