1/10/10 - 1/13

[ellegna]

Good Morning

Brought this over. Our new FLAB Anthem :thumbup:




Flab Fight Song (courtesy of Flab Nation)

We are members at In Session, in the know cuz we keep tabs,
According to Cindy Anthony, we are a bunch of Flabs.
The F is for fat, The L is for lazy,
The A is not so nice, say B and we’ll go crazy!

(Chorus)
We’re Flabs, we are in the know!
We’re Flabs, where did those A’s just go?
We’re Flabs, we are keeping tabs!
We’re Flabs, oh my they’re eating crabs! :ohmy:

When we get together, we like to post online,
We sit on our couches, eating cheese and sipping wine.
If you want to join us, you simply must agree,
We will not ever stop seeking justice for Caylee!

(Chorus)
We’re flabs, we are in the know!
We’re flabs, where did those A’s just go?
We’re flabs, we are keeping tabs!
We’re flabs, Oh my they’re eating crabs! :ohmy:

[Holden]

Good Morning

Brought this over. Our new FLAB Anthem :thumbup:

:thumbup::thumbsup:

[Kathlb]

Good Morning ellegna,

Well we have certainly been getting a lot of insight into the Anthony family and little Caylee's problems. And the fact that it seems she wasn't taken to the doctor for well baby check ups or they would have found multiple problems I believe. I truly believe that Casey is on this earth taking valuable space from someone else who is a loving and caring mother. That poor baby never had a chance from what the documents and Val's wonderful and in depth research shows.

No one is going to want to buy GA's whining note I believe. It's all been said before by he and Cindy and what items were new (Casey loving GA's ear lobes-Ick!) were so "out there" that we cringed instead of smiled. You know they are reading the blogs since he was reacting from reading about his tattoo and studs on his "lobes". Too bad they don't listen about the lies they have been telling from day one. No other parents or grandparents out there act this way. Think of the Walsh's, the Kesse's, the Klaas'...you have never seen them hogging the airways and telling lie after lie and contradicting themselves over and over. It's shameful and they are creating the situation where they are being vilified. The public does not want to see or hear from them again until trial when they take the stand! JMHO :flamemad:

[ellegna]

Good Morning ellegna,

Well we have certainly been getting a lot of insight into the Anthony family and little Caylee's problems. And the fact that it seems she wasn't taken to the doctor for well baby check ups or they would have found multiple problems I believe. I truly believe that Casey is on this earth taking valuable space from someone else who is a loving and caring mother. That poor baby never had a chance from what the documents and Val's wonderful and in depth research shows.

No one is going to want to buy GA's whining note I believe. It's all been said before by he and Cindy and what items were new (Casey loving GA's ear lobes-Ick!) were so "out there" that we cringed instead of smiled. You know they are reading the blogs since he was reacting from reading about his tattoo and studs on his "lobes". Too bad they don't listen about the lies they have been telling from day one. No other parents or grandparents out there act this way. Think of the Walsh's, the Kesse's, the Klaas'...you have never seen them hogging the airways and telling lie after lie and contradicting themselves over and over. It's shameful and they are creating the situation where they are being vilified. The public does not want to see or hear from them again until trial when they take the stand! JMHO :flamemad:

Good morning Kath

bbm
George and Cindy have no one to blame but themselves to earn the title "villains"
It's time G&C took a good look at themselves through a microscope and maybe, just maybe, they will see the virus they've become :angry:

[SandyO]

Good morning Kath

bbm
George and Cindy have no one to blame but themselves to earn the title "villains"
It's time G&C took a good look at themselves through a microscope and maybe, just maybe, they will see the virus they've become :angry:

Rather than doing that, I imagine they are hopeful of arranging another media financed jaunt to New York or LA around the time of the fraud trial.

[bugout]

that anthem, is by far, HILARIOUS!!! LMAO and thank you for the early morning laugh!!

Bug
:rose:

[Ladygator]

G'morning!

I'm bringing a [snipped] post of Pru's over here for comment.

SHE WAS SUPPOSEDLY KIDNAPPED. the perp was named and described by the last person who saw her.

the proper term to be used is KIDNAPPED, not missing. she did not wander off resulting in an "UNKNOWN SCENARIO" as to what happened to her....she wasnt assumed missing due to unknown circumstances....SHE WAS KIDNAPPED. so says the suspect.

the suspect named the PERP, gave details. why didnt their t-shirts and posters say KIDNAPPED and include a description of the last person seen with Caylee? <---that is what should be communicated to the public, who to be on the lookout for who supposedly took the child...

why did the media ignore the facts of the case and allow them to use the term missing? why did the media refuse to state to the family to provide a description of the kidnapper, each and every time they appeared in public?

Cindy Anthony: The babysitter took her a month ago, that my daughter`s been looking for her. There`s something wrong. I found my daughter`s car today, and it smells like there`s been a dead body in the damn car

I hope the state does not allow the term MISSING to grow legs during the trial.....IMO, they should focus on the statement of the accused, that she was supposedly TAKEN by a person she knew. it was a firm, verbal and written statement about what happened to her daughter.

then proceed to deconstruct the information provided to them by her, nanny, apt<----bogus information.....individuals told about the snatching <---dont exist friends/family of the kidnapper <----dont exist.....etc etc etc.....

they should stick to the words of the accused: SHE WAS TAKEN BY A PERSON KNOWN TO HER. which is considered A KIDNAPPING.

IMO

best regards,
Pru


This is an excellent point, Pru.

We've all been saying Caylee was never missing, as in, Casey knew exactly what happened to her, and where she was.

But it never occured to me that the term used to describe Caylee's status was totally wrong, by everyone.

You are so right. Caylee was kidnapped/abducted, by a known person. So says her Mother, in writing, and in a taped interview.

We see Amber Alerts all the time in this exact situation. Most commonly with parental kidnappings. And the children are never described as 'missing'. They've been taken, abducted, or kidnapped.

[GossipGirl]

How is it she never went to the doctor? I found a link on this condition she has to a forum that is a message board, it is a serious condition.
http://www.cappskids.org/board/forumdisplay.php?forumid=1

What is going on with this? Did Caylee ever have surgery? She looks like the pics of the kids on there, with an asymmetrical face.

GG

[Holden]

Good morning Kath

bbm
George and Cindy have no one to blame but themselves to earn the title "villains"
It's time G&C took a good look at themselves through a microscope and maybe, just maybe, they will see the virus they've become :angry:

You make a good point ellegna, but I think you are giving the A's too much credit. They are unable to look inside themselves. Had they been able to do that, they might have seen what they were modeling for their daughter. casey learned early on what the A family values were - and introspection was not one of them. They are a family who care only about - how it looks. Think of when casey did not graduate from HS. They had a party anyway because they cared how it looked. cindy cares only that her family be seen as a family who could not have raised a murderer. She cares less that casey did, in fact, kill baby Caylee. She just won't be seen as the mother of a murderer. For some stupid, even fatal reason, cindy thinks what it looks like is what it is. How did she get to this age and not know that eventually what's inside you will come out? :confused:

[Scampi]

Good morning everyone. I am bringing this over:

Originally Posted by charmin 66 http://boards.insessiontrials.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13777098#post13777098)
OMG, You can't miss this!!

The Dark Side of Caylee’s Life

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=1358

This gave me chills.
--------------------------------------------------------------

My question is, will the Prosecution present an expert to tell the jury that Caylee was abused, based on the premature closure of the saggital suture? I think they will.

[Sun]

Good morning everyone! Good day to stay inside, the temp outside has finally risen to zero. brrrrrrrrrrr

I see a ton of good links posted yesterday. I've got a bit of catching up to do. :smile:

[BettyC]

Good morning everyone! Good day to stay inside, the temp outside has finally risen to zero. brrrrrrrrrrr

I see a ton of good links posted yesterday. I've got a bit of catching up to do. :smile:

Morning Sun - Just start with the Hinky Meter. She was writing like crazy yesterday.


(How's the keyboard? I spent over half an hour taking mine apart, vacuuming it and cleaning it out. I see about an 80% improvement so far.)

[Sun]

Morning Sun - Just start with the Hinky Meter. She was writing like crazy yesterday.


(How's the keyboard? I spent over half an hour taking mine apart, vacuuming it and cleaning it out. I see about an 80% improvement so far.)

I do believe that George was feeling a bit left out, and that he doesn't think that he got enough recognition for getting that tattoo or ear piercings. He's an addict, and needed a fix. He sees himself as a celebrity and is planning to never have to work another day in his life. He thinks that he is famous. :thumbdown: JMO

Keyboard is fine, except when typing in any IE8 window. Using a different browser is a temporary workaround until I can figure out the issue.

[KatieLady]

Good morning everyone. I am bringing this over:

Originally Posted by charmin 66 http://boards.insessiontrials.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13777098#post13777098)
OMG, You can't miss this!!

The Dark Side of Caylee’s Life

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=1358

This gave me chills.
--------------------------------------------------------------

My question is, will the Prosecution present an expert to tell the jury that Caylee was abused, based on the premature closure of the saggital suture? I think they will.

OMG Scampi! Poor little thing....just makes me ill. :sad:

[Spots™]

This was my question last night...this was one doctor...is he an expert?? Will him or another expert testify to these facts???...Would other experts draw the same conclusion??? Guess we'll have to wait for trial to find out...

Hope C&G read the Hinky Meter and know what's in store for them...they thought the last court hearing was hard to take just wait...

"The following article was written with the assistance of Dr. Christopher C. Green MD, PhD. Dr. Green is Assistant Dean, China/Asia-Pacific, for Wayne State School of Medicine. He is a Professor of Clinical Neuroimaging (MRI) at the Detroit Medical Center/Harper University Hospital, Departments of Diagnostic Radiology & Psychiatry and Behavioral Neurosciences. He is a Fellow of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences for his specialty in Clinical Neuroimaging. And he is a Professor at the Chinese Academy of Sciences. Dr. Green was instrumental in solving the murder of Bulgarian dissident Georgi Markov, as covered in the PBS Special Secrets of the Dead."

Soooooooo, I'd say he probably qualifies as an expert. However, I'm not above asking for a second opinion. Can't hurt.

[Sun]

"The following article was written with the assistance of Dr. Christopher C. Green MD, PhD. Dr. Green is Assistant Dean, China/Asia-Pacific, for Wayne State School of Medicine. He is a Professor of Clinical Neuroimaging (MRI) at the Detroit Medical Center/Harper University Hospital, Departments of Diagnostic Radiology & Psychiatry and Behavioral Neurosciences. He is a Fellow of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences for his specialty in Clinical Neuroimaging. And he is a Professor at the Chinese Academy of Sciences. Dr. Green was instrumental in solving the murder of Bulgarian dissident Georgi Markov, as covered in the PBS Special Secrets of the Dead."

Soooooooo, I'd say he probably qualifies as an expert. However, I'm not above asking for a second opinion. Can't hurt.

After reading all of those titles, I'm a bit confused. Is Dr. Green a practicing medical doctor, or a teacher?

[trich]

Good morning everyone. I am bringing this over:

Originally Posted by charmin 66 http://boards.insessiontrials.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13777098#post13777098)
OMG, You can't miss this!!

The Dark Side of Caylee’s Life

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=1358

This gave me chills.
--------------------------------------------------------------

My question is, will the Prosecution present an expert to tell the jury that Caylee was abused, based on the premature closure of the saggital suture? I think they will.


This is the first I have heard this about Caylee..poor child.
I do hope the prosecution does have an expert to be be able
to show Caylee was abused.
There is no way that can be blamed on anyone but Casey.
I wonder if Cindy and George are even aware of this information
about Caylee's skull and it's implications?
Tells me that Caylee was forced to sleep/lay in the trunk of that car
for long periods of time( before she actually died) while Casey went about the business of having fun.
Makes me ill to even think about what else is going to come out at trial.

[Lexi]

I listened once again to George's first interview with LE. I think the detectives missed a big opportunity when they didn't take George and Cindy down to headquarters to interview them within the first 24 hours that this whole thing broke. As time went on and George and Cindy realized that they had to invent stories and make Casey appear like "mother of the year," then their initial anger and fear for little Caylee disappeared.

I also wonder what would have happened if Yuri would have put Casey in an interview room with her mom and dad and said something like, "If you ever want to know the truth about where your grandbaby is, you see if you can get her to talk.....because all she does for us is lie and lie again." I think Cindy would have probably demonstrated her true anger....maybe even recreated the choking of Casey!

[Sun]

"The following article was written with the assistance of Dr. Christopher C. Green MD, PhD. Dr. Green is Assistant Dean, China/Asia-Pacific, for Wayne State School of Medicine. He is a Professor of Clinical Neuroimaging (MRI) at the Detroit Medical Center/Harper University Hospital, Departments of Diagnostic Radiology & Psychiatry and Behavioral Neurosciences. He is a Fellow of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences for his specialty in Clinical Neuroimaging. And he is a Professor at the Chinese Academy of Sciences. Dr. Green was instrumental in solving the murder of Bulgarian dissident Georgi Markov, as covered in the PBS Special Secrets of the Dead."

Soooooooo, I'd say he probably qualifies as an expert. However, I'm not above asking for a second opinion. Can't hurt.

http://prognosis.med.wayne.edu/article/chinese-academy-of-sciences-apppoints-dr-green-as-professor

Here is a little more on Dr. Green.

[Scampi]

This was my question last night...this was one doctor...is he an expert?? Will him or another expert testify to these facts???...Would other experts draw the same conclusion??? Guess we'll have to wait for trial to find out...

Hope C&G read the Hinky Meter and know what's in store for them...they thought the last court hearing was hard to take just wait...

The doctor Valhall used sounded credentialed to me, tho the Prosecutors will hire their own experts. To me, this is solid evidence based on poor Caylee's skull. I wonder if this is the reason that cynthia, george and lee went on record as denying the remains found were in fact Caylee's?

[Tillywoo]

I just have to mention that growing up, I always had long hair, pulled back into a pony tail and my hair was always thin where Caylee's is. My daughter too and now my granddaughter, only 20 months old, has thin hair in that area. I think it's quite common.
Just my 2 cents.

[KatieLady]

I just have to mention that growing up, I always had long hair, pulled back into a pony tail and my hair was always thin where Caylee's is. My daughter too and now my granddaughter, only 20 months old, has thin hair in that area. I think it's quite common.
Just my 2 cents.

My daughters hair was like that also. I never found it suspicious but there was lots of talk about it at the very beginning of this case

[Lexi]

I just have to mention that growing up, I always had long hair, pulled back into a pony tail and my hair was always thin where Caylee's is. My daughter too and now my granddaughter, only 20 months old, has thin hair in that area. I think it's quite common.
Just my 2 cents.

I agree Tilly.....seen it a lot in little girls hair.

[charmin 66]

Good morning everyone.
My question is, will the Prosecution present an expert to tell the jury that Caylee was abused, based on the premature closure of the saggital suture? I think they will.

Being that Antemortem Trauma was stated in the autopsy report I think it will be addressed.

Now I'm thinking about how defense motioned to have autopsy photos sealed.

And I'm thinking about LE questioning the Anthony's on Caylee's health and doctor or dentist visits.

[kelloggirl]

"The following article was written with the assistance of Dr. Christopher C. Green MD, PhD. Dr. Green is Assistant Dean, China/Asia-Pacific, for Wayne State School of Medicine. He is a Professor of Clinical Neuroimaging (MRI) at the Detroit Medical Center/Harper University Hospital, Departments of Diagnostic Radiology & Psychiatry and Behavioral Neurosciences. He is a Fellow of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences for his specialty in Clinical Neuroimaging. And he is a Professor at the Chinese Academy of Sciences. Dr. Green was instrumental in solving the murder of Bulgarian dissident Georgi Markov, as covered in the PBS Special Secrets of the Dead."

Soooooooo, I'd say he probably qualifies as an expert. However, I'm not above asking for a second opinion. Can't hurt.

I agree with you, I'd like a second opinion. In fact, this is one of the only articles of Valhall's in which the speculative conclusions make me profoundly uncomfortable. While it's possible that Caylee was left too long in a car seat on a daily basis or slept on her back too often under some sedation like Benadryl, the words "savage abuse" seem overly sensationalistic based on the evidence, some of which is snapshots in time that could be nothing more than lighting oddities, a child's lopsided grin, etc...I'm sure most will disagree with me, but that's just how I feel today. Already in the comments I see people jumping a canyon to draw conclusions that Caylee was punched and slapped on a regular basis, and don't see how that is helpful.

[ellegna]

The doctor Valhall used sounded credentialed to me, tho the Prosecutors will hire their own experts. To me, this is solid evidence based on poor Caylee's skull. I wonder if this is the reason that cynthia, george and lee went on record as denying the remains found were in fact Caylee's?

Something that Dr G said at the presser always stuck with me.
She said the manner of death was ruled as a homicide. One of the factors to come to that conclusion was the examination of the body.
Dr G stated there was no trauma on the bones so.....Could it have been the premature closure of the skull?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgpzTaeQIoE

[Pruddennce]

I just have to mention that growing up, I always had long hair, pulled back into a pony tail and my hair was always thin where Caylee's is. My daughter too and now my granddaughter, only 20 months old, has thin hair in that area. I think it's quite common.
Just my 2 cents.

the poor child was fussing with the pulled ponytail in the video with great grandpa.....

way back I took note of the BALD spots.....IMO, it was a combination of tightly pulled hair which causes thinning and balding OR she was pulling her hair out or it was yanked by someone else.

Cindy was filming her...didnt she notice the child was having discomfort with her scalp?

so-called caring grandma didnt give a hoot about it.

as an aside, Caylee was not 'on track or advanced in speech'. she was babbling like a 1 year old toddler. even when she sang, it was the singing of a 1 year old....her speech skills were delayed. she was not receiving one on one time with ANYONE in that that house....

alone with her toys, the tv, no interaction daily or even weekly with her peers. no playdates. nothing that was considered a 'schedule' for her other than leaving the home with Casey every day to do what? certainly nothing educational or fun..... IMO

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[read-in]

JMO
Iam starting to think that "ZANNY" was really casey's car trunk. :crying:

[Kathlb]

Being that Antemortem Trauma was stated in the autopsy report I think it will be addressed.

Now I'm thinking about how defense motioned to have autopsy photos sealed.

And I'm thinking about LE questioning the Anthony's on Caylee's health and doctor or dentist visits.

Does anyone have the link to the autopsy report? I need to go over it again with new knowledge that we now have. TIA if you have the link.

[kelloggirl]

Does anyone have the link to the autopsy report? I need to go over it again with new knowledge that we now have. TIA if you have the link.

Here you go:

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0619/19802034.pdf

[Kathlb]

Here you go:

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0619/19802034.pdf

Thanks so much!! :thumbup:

[Sun]

Does anyone have the link to the autopsy report? I need to go over it again with new knowledge that we now have. TIA if you have the link.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18032990/detail.html

Here is a link that I use quite often. In the left sidebar, if you scroll down, is a link to the autopsy report.

[Aunt]

Maybe Caylee was never taken to the doctor.

Maybe her doctor was Cindy, the decomp nurse.

It seems most kids with this disorder need surgery between 5-8 months of age, and often several surgeries with years of follow ups.

I am inclined to think it was a genetic disorder that she was born with, that was left unattended.

[spiritwolf46]

good morning

brought this over. Our new flab anthem :thumbup:

terrific!!!!!!! Rofl!

[Aunt]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18032990/detail.html

Here is a link that I use quite often. In the left sidebar, if you scroll down, is a link to the autopsy report.

Suddenly I realize why George and Cindy were attempting to stop the autopsy report from being made public.

At the time I wasn't sure why it was so important to them because there isn't much that we DON'T know.

Now, it makes more sense.

[charmin 66]

Maybe Caylee was never taken to the doctor.

Maybe her doctor was Cindy, the decomp nurse.

It seems most kids with this disorder need surgery between 5-8 months of age, and often several surgeries with years of follow ups.

I am inclined to think it was a genetic disorder that she was born with, that was left unattended.

That is possible, but was it unattended or undiscovered? Unattended would be abuse.

Remember Cindy's message:........The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning and does not let her mother now speak to the baby that her mother raised, fed, clothed, sheltered, paid her medical bills, etc. .......

What medical bills did Cindy pay for?

Was Caylee taken for "well baby checks" and vaccinations when she was an infant?

[spiritwolf46]

Actually I'm surprised it took this long for someone to explain what that meant in Caylee's autopsy report...

Is there a Dr. in the house???

Hi all!

Can someone direct me to what you are talking about?

TIA!

[Aunt]

More information on Craniosynostosis:

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1175957-overview

[charmin 66]

Hi all!

Can someone direct me to what you are talking about?

TIA!

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=1358

[spiritwolf46]

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=1358

Thank you so much, Charmin!!

[spiritwolf46]

Well, I can honestly say that though I thought for a long long time Caylee was an abused child, I think that this sums it up for me.

I am literally sick to my stomach. :crying:

[puzzler]

I think a big reason they did not want the autopsy released is that (for me at least) it proves Caylee's body was NOT moved. How the defense can keep saying it was moved or put there later is beyond me. Another reason for not wanting it let out is that it tells of how little Caylee's body was torn apart and drug off while there was still flesh on it. I cried again reading this. This not only shows that the body wasn't moved by anyone, but the horrible way little Caylee was devoured by animals.

It is time for Casey to be put on trial for this atrocious crime. Even if the premature synostosis is not a factor, this still remains a murder most heinous.

JMO

[spydernweb2006]

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=1358

After reading this my 1st thought OMG if CA thinks Casey was Mother of the Year what does she consider abuse???

JMHO

hugs,
Spyder

[spiritwolf46]

After reading this my 1st thought OMG if CA thinks Casey was Mother of the Year what does she consider abuse???

JMHO

hugs,
Spyder


They are all nuts, aren't they????? They make my blood boil! Cindy, no doubt and in my opinion, thought that SHE was the mother of the year, too.

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

[nc1948]

Good morning Kath

bbm
George and Cindy have no one to blame but themselves to earn the title "villains"
It's time G&C took a good look at themselves through a microscope and maybe, just maybe, they will see the virus they've become :angry:

Typical Anthonyspeak- George complains of media attention, but heis the one that called for the interview.

[velvetbrown]

How did she get to this age and not know that eventually what's inside you will come out? :confused:

Cindy is exactly like my MIL. MIL stamped and screamed and threatened etc. when she didn't get her way, her family just 'let it go' to 'keep the peace'. I was the only person to call her on her behavior and she HATED me.

Bad-mouthed me so badly to family members that I never met, that when a cousin was married, the bride RETURNED our Waterford crystal gift. (that she specifically chose on her wish list)

Never saw her beautiful grand-chldren, ONLY grandchildren, as her son was her only child, because I was a '*****' and so the children could not possibly be his.

Never mind that my daughter is her 'spitting image'. MIL's loss.

THAT IS HOW CINDY IS THE WAY SHE IS, AND HOW CASEY IS JUST LIKE HER.

[damienstoy]

That's what I am trying to find out right now...can Craniosynostosis be caused by trauma or is it always an inherited defect.

The literature does say that it can be caused by several things related to malnutrition...

[puzzler]

That's what I am trying to find out right now...can Craniosynostosis be caused by trauma or is it always an inherited defect.

If I understood everything I read, if it were not present at birth, then it would have had to be caused by the head being restrained, or by the brain stopping growing. So far, I don't know what could cause the brain to stop growing as this shouldn't happen until MUCH later in life. Need to do some research on that, but grandbaby is coming over, so will have to do it later.

JMO of course

[*MoonRider*]

I do believe that George was feeling a bit left out, and that he doesn't think that he got enough recognition for getting that tattoo or ear piercings. He's an addict, and needed a fix. He sees himself as a celebrity and is planning to never have to work another day in his life. He thinks that he is famous. :thumbdown: JMO

Keyboard is fine, except when typing in any IE8 window. Using a different browser is a temporary workaround until I can figure out the issue.

BBM, I think George & Cindy are both addicted to the media. IMO it happed very early in this case. I just watched a show about confessions of a reality star about the Biggest Loser winner who gained back all of his weight. He was a celebrity after he won, did commericals and was in high demand. When things died down and he became old news he admits how much he missed and enjoyed the limelight. He became depressed and gained most of his weight back. It seems George and Cindy have the same problem. The media attention had died down and they will do anything to get back into the spotlight. It's not about Caylee sightings, or Casey is innocent, it's all about them. What a messed up family. jmo

[Scampi]

WHAT CAUSES SAGITTAL SYNOSTOSIS?

Sagittal synostosis is the most common form of isolated cranial synostosis. It can be caused by a variety of gene abnormalities, but is most often sporadic in its occurrence.


According to Valhall's information, since Caylee did not have this condition at birth, we are dealing with secondary sagittal synostosis. In other words something happened to Caylee to produce this condition. I believe a case can be made by the Prosecution, that abuse of Caylee by casey, in the form of drugging her for extended periods of time, can and will be made.

[AnnieKins]

Good morning everyone. I am bringing this over:

Originally Posted by charmin 66 http://boards.insessiontrials.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13777098#post13777098)
OMG, You can't miss this!!

The Dark Side of Caylee’s Life

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=1358

This gave me chills.
--------------------------------------------------------------

My question is, will the Prosecution present an expert to tell the jury that Caylee was abused, based on the premature closure of the saggital suture? I think they will.

This is absolutely horrific. We all knew that Caylee was mistreated, but this is beyond anything I could have imagined. I am speechless.

[Kathlb]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18032990/detail.html

Here is a link that I use quite often. In the left sidebar, if you scroll down, is a link to the autopsy report.

Thanks Sun! That looks to be a great page to find what I want on a lot of subjects concerning this case. :thumbsup:

[spiritwolf46]

This is absolutely horrific. We all knew that Caylee was mistreated, but this is beyond anything I could have imagined. I am speechless.

I am with you AnnieKins! I am sick to my stomach!

[trich]

Maybe Caylee was never taken to the doctor.

Maybe her doctor was Cindy, the decomp nurse.

It seems most kids with this disorder need surgery between 5-8 months of age, and often several surgeries with years of follow ups.

I am inclined to think it was a genetic disorder that she was born with, that was left unattended.

if I remember correctly this person who wrote this report
states that he did not believe Caylee had a generic disorder and
that she was not born with this condition but rather it was caused from laying on back with head positioned a certain way.
That tells me she was put in the trunk laying down with her head sitting on something such as spare tire or something else in the trunk.
I hope if this is true it can be proven without a doubt

[Sun]

BBM, I think George & Cindy are both addicted to the media. IMO it happed very early in this case. I just watched a show about confessions of a reality star about the Biggest Loser winner who gained back all of his weight. He was a celebrity after he won, did commericals and was in high demand. When things died down and he became old news he admits how much he missed and enjoyed the limelight. He became depressed and gained most of his weight back. It seems George and Cindy have the same problem. The media attention had died down and they will do anything to get back into the spotlight. It's not about Caylee sightings, or Casey is innocent, it's all about them. What a messed up family. jmo

Addicted to what they perceive as "fame" and "fortune" IMO. Though I really do think that they have an intense dislike or hatred for the media and the public, and especially bloggers.

[spiritwolf46]

That's what I get out of all of this too...drugging and or head positioning for extended periods of time...

I do think the defense could make a case of abuse out of this for sure...at the very least could give jurors something to think about.

Bold mine:

Exactly! I hope that they do and bing out the TOTAL MONSTER that Casey is!

I am SOOOOO pizzed!

[charmin 66]

I have been looking at photos of Caylee, and it just seems that there should be more pictures depicting a crooked grin. However I did find this one:

http://s844.photobucket.com/albums/ab2/thenewdaymareblogspotcom/?action=view&current=48_full.jpg

[snowflakes]

If Caylee was put in Casey's trunk, I wonder why she never told Cindy or JoJo (UGH!) about it?
Surely she could have. Maybe she did.:crying:

[Kathlb]

[QUOTE=Scampi;13777964]According to Valhall's information, since Caylee did not have this condition at birth, we are dealing with secondary sagittal synostosis. In other words something happened to Caylee to produce this condition. I believe a case can be made by the Prosecution, that abuse of Caylee by casey, in the form of drugging her for extended periods of time, can and will be made.[/QUOTE=]

I agree totally. I'm sure that the prosecution won't miss a beat on anything including this condition. Lying prone in the trunk of Casey's car, sedated, for hours on end. My heart hurts for that baby. :sad:

[Scampi]

Bold mine:

Exactly! I hope that they do and bing out the TOTAL MONSTER that Casey is!

I am SOOOOO pizzed!

Hiya Wolfie, I agree with you and Rapunzel. If there is in fact evidence of abuse and I believe there is with this condition, the Prosecution will bring it out at trial.

This accused babykiller is truly a monster and the jury deserves to hear every single horrifying fact.

Oh, and I wanted to add that this is why cynthia, george and lee went on record as denying that this was Caylee's remains. IMO

[*MoonRider*]

Addicted to what they perceive as "fame" and "fortune" IMO. Though I really do think that they have an intense dislike or hatred for the media and the public, and especially bloggers.

As a FLAB it has never occured to me that I might become famous for 15 minutes. :blink: They crave the spotlight and can't stand the fact that they no longer have anything to sell. The media is no longer calling them/him so he calls the media. He looked like a 3rd grader reading his book report in front of the class. Just like when George called the media about the SS Caylee Marie, there was a major lull in news coverage of them/him so he created a story. He craves the attention, just like we crave air to breathe. "What about how I'm feeling?" It's all about me, don't you know? :wink:

[spiritwolf46]

Hiya Wolfie, I agree with you and Rapunzel. If there is in fact evidence of abuse and I believe there is with this condition, the Prosecution will bring it out at trial.

This accused babykiller is truly a monster and the jury deserves to hear every single horrifying fact.

Oh, and I wanted to add that this is why cynthia, george and lee went on record as denying that this was Caylee's remains. IMO

Hiya, sweetie!

You got THAT right! That is exactly why they want everyone to think that this was not Caylee! Even though they are wearing her as jewelry!

They all sicken me to the core of my being. :cursing:

[Scampi]

[quote=Scampi;13777964]According to Valhall's information, since Caylee did not have this condition at birth, we are dealing with secondary sagittal synostosis. In other words something happened to Caylee to produce this condition. I believe a case can be made by the Prosecution, that abuse of Caylee by casey, in the form of drugging her for extended periods of time, can and will be made.[/QUOTE=]

I agree totally. I'm sure that the prosecution won't miss a beat on anything including this condition. Lying prone in the trunk of Casey's car, sedated, for hours on end. My heart hurts for that baby. :sad:

You know Kath, I'm not sure if Caylee was kept in the trunk all those times, I really think casey had some place she put Caylee. I have always had the suspicion she took Caylee to lee's place and drugged her there, without his knowledge.

I would be interested in knowing if the Pontiac's back seat flipped down and there was entrance to the trunk from the back seat tho.

[kakax]

Does anyone have the witness list for the prosecution? I'm sure they will be ammending this as it gets closer to trial, but I am curious what kind of doctors they have listed so far to testify.

ETA...didn't Val do a series on the witnesses for the prosecution...I'll start there.

[Kathlb]

[quote=Kathlb;13778003]

You know Kath, I'm not sure if Caylee was kept in the trunk all those times, I really think casey had some place she put Caylee. I have always had the suspicion she took Caylee to lee's place and drugged her there, without his knowledge.

I would be interested in knowing if the Pontiac's back seat flipped down and there was entrance to the trunk from the back seat tho.

Well, truly, you are correct. It could have been anywhere. I think I latched onto the trunk because it's where she ended up and they found hair, etc. there from her. I could probably make a case for other areas too. It's all sad no matter where she was put for those hours of party time. :sad:

[kakax]

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2673046/Casey-Anthony-Witness-List


Found one witness list...don't know if this is the most current one. I seem to remember some ammendments.

[Kathlb]

As an afterthought, I also think that anytime we see Casey over-react in the courtroom, as in the Ashton presentation and the drugging of Caylee, it's pretty much a given that he is right on the money. When it's something she didn't do, she can sit quietly and pretend she's someplace else. MOO

[Kathlb]

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2673046/Casey-Anthony-Witness-List


Found one witness list...don't know if this is the most current one. I seem to remember some ammendments.

Thanks kakax, it's been a long time since I have seen one, so it's probably new to me. :-)

[kakax]

As an afterthought, I also think that anytime we see Casey over-react in the courtroom, as in the Ashton presentation and the drugging of Caylee, it's pretty much a given that he is right on the money. When it's something she didn't do, she can sit quietly and pretend she's someplace else. MOO

What is so amazing to me is in most of the trials I have followed, the accused sits there through some pretty horrific testimony with no reaction. Wonder what the difference is with Casey? She just can't stand to hear if someone is getting close to what happened...or she can't stand to hear when what they are saying is wrong?

Some speculated she was mad when she showed showed her anger because Ashton was talking about chloroform and she knew she wasn't the one who had looked the chloroform up.

[Spots™]

Does anyone have the witness list for the prosecution? I'm sure they will be ammending this as it gets closer to trial, but I am curious what kind of doctors they have listed so far to testify.

ETA...didn't Val do a series on the witnesses for the prosecution...I'll start there.

http://www.cayleemarieanthony.net/witness_list_for_the_prosecution.html

:seeya:

ETA: This is a good annotated witness list.

[Scampi]

[quote=Scampi;13778025]

Well, truly, you are correct. It could have been anywhere. I think I latched onto the trunk because it's where she ended up and they found hair, etc. there from her. I could probably make a case for other areas too. It's all sad no matter where she was put for those hours of party time. :sad:

I only say that about the trunk because of the heat and humidity in Florida. Kath, do you think the prosecution has to show where casey was on a daily basis, since they are asserting she did not work?

[BettyC]

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2673046/Casey-Anthony-Witness-List


Found one witness list...don't know if this is the most current one. I seem to remember some ammendments.

This one is embedded in the article but it's dated Jan 2009 so it should be more recent than the one you have Kakax.

(Right past article about Lee.)

http://www.wesh.com/news/18565575/detail.html

[puzzler]

Does anyone have the witness list for the prosecution? I'm sure they will be ammending this as it gets closer to trial, but I am curious what kind of doctors they have listed so far to testify.

ETA...didn't Val do a series on the witnesses for the prosecution...I'll start there.

http://www.legalstoc.com/2009/01/26/casey-anthony-prosecution-witness-list/

[Kathlb]

[quote=Kathlb;13778033]

I only say that about the trunk because of the heat and humidity in Florida. Kath, do you think the prosecution has to show where casey was on a daily basis, since they are asserting she did not work?

I'm far from being a lawyer :-) so this is just a guess, but I wouldn't think they'd have to show where she was. Only that she didn't work there which will be easy to prove.

[kakax]

http://www.cayleemarieanthony.net/witness_list_for_the_prosecution.html

:seeya:

ETA: This is a good annotated witness list.


Wow...that is a great resource thanks!!!

[BettyC]

http://www.legalstoc.com/2009/01/26/casey-anthony-prosecution-witness-list/

Remember the first list where the prosecution inadvertently had Jose Baez on the list? lolol

[*MoonRider*]

What is so amazing to me is in most of the trials I have followed, the accused sits there through some pretty horrific testimony with no reaction. Wonder what the difference is with Casey? She just can't stand to hear if someone is getting close to what happened...or she can't stand to hear when what they are saying is wrong?

Some speculated she was mad when she showed showed her anger because Ashton was talking about chloroform and she knew she wasn't the one who had looked the chloroform up.

Paraphrased, George said it was not the time or place for that description from Ashton. :shrug: Well, George you better wake up because there is a lot more where that came from and a court of law is the time and place for the truth, whether you like it or not. moo

[farrahrani]

Someone upthread asked if Cindy had paid Caylee's medical bills.
In Cindy's deposition, she had stated she only paid the bills from Caylee being born. (though we all know how reliable that is coming from HER)

So we can think about three possibilities:

1. Caylee never had a regular pediatrician and only went to the county health dept. for her immunizations.

2. Casey was receiving medicaid or other state paid health plan for Caylee.

3. Caylee was on Cindy's health insurance from work.

I think if it were 3., we would know about it by now, somehow.

I also don't think she was in the trunk of that car. Others have reminded us of the scorching FL heat and how children die in cars every summer, even left for a short time. I do not see Caylee surviving an overnight (or few hours) stay in the trunk. It doesn't cool down that much at night to say she could have stayed there in that stuffy trunk for any length of time. IMO.

[Spots™]

So, there I was, lost in googleland......

I was looking for the specs on a 1998 Pontiac Sunfire to see if the back seat folded up to provide a passage into the trunk. From what little I did find, I believe it did - but don't make me swear to it.

A couple lefts and a U-turn brought me to this site:

http://www.billwarnerpi.com/2008/08/did-casey-anthony-leave-caylee-in.html

Looks like another wanna-be-involved PI.

But the picture of Caylee shows asymmetrical eye development, much like Valhall's chosen photo.

Ignore the PI, just look at the photo.

[Kathlb]

http://www.legalstoc.com/2009/01/26/casey-anthony-prosecution-witness-list/

ROFL. The right hand advertisements got me laughing. I was thinking it's a follow up to Dewey, Cheatem & Howe from the Three Stooges.

This one on that document page is Shook & Stone, Attorneys at Law. :lol:

[Kathlb]

So, there I was, lost in googleland......

I was looking for the specs on a 1998 Pontiac Sunfire to see if the back seat folded up to provide a passage into the trunk. From what little I did find, I believe it did - but don't make me swear to it.

A couple lefts and a U-turn brought me to this site:

http://www.billwarnerpi.com/2008/08/did-casey-anthony-leave-caylee-in.html

Looks like another wanna-be-involved PI.

But the picture of Caylee shows asymmetrical eye development, much like Valhall's chosen photo.

Ignore the PI, just look at the photo.

It shows it to me also. Once you read about it and see her photos, you almost can't miss it. It jumps out at you.

[Spots™]

Someone upthread asked if Cindy had paid Caylee's medical bills.
In Cindy's deposition, she had stated she only paid the bills from Caylee being born. (though we all know how reliable that is coming from HER)

So we can think about three possibilities:

1. Caylee never had a regular pediatrician and only went to the county health dept. for her immunizations.

1a. Caylee never had a regular pediatrician, and Casey lied about getting her any immunizations.

2. Casey was receiving medicaid or other state paid health plan for Caylee.

3. Caylee was on Cindy's health insurance from work.

I think if it were 3., we would know about it by now, somehow.

I also don't think she was in the trunk of that car. Others have reminded us of the scorching FL heat and how children die in cars every summer, even left for a short time. I do not see Caylee surviving an overnight (or few hours) stay in the trunk. It doesn't cool down that much at night to say she could have stayed there in that stuffy trunk for any length of time. IMO.

Red mine.

Caylee wasn't old enough to go places that would require proof of immunizations. Why should Casey spend any money/time doing that? It's not as though she'd *need* them in the future....

[charmin 66]

http://www.cayleemarieanthony.net/witness_list_for_the_prosecution.html

:seeya:

ETA: This is a good annotated witness list.

Hmm, I don't see Dr. G's name on the list.

Jan C. Garavaglia

[Scampi]

So, there I was, lost in googleland......

I was looking for the specs on a 1998 Pontiac Sunfire to see if the back seat folded up to provide a passage into the trunk. From what little I did find, I believe it did - but don't make me swear to it.

A couple lefts and a U-turn brought me to this site:

http://www.billwarnerpi.com/2008/08/did-casey-anthony-leave-caylee-in.html

Looks like another wanna-be-involved PI.

But the picture of Caylee shows asymmetrical eye development, much like Valhall's chosen photo.

Ignore the PI, just look at the photo.

Gotta love a professional website:

Bill Warner Flroida (http://www.billwarnerpi.com/)

:laugh:

[farrahrani]

Red mine.

Caylee wasn't old enough to go places that would require proof of immunizations. Why should Casey spend any money/time doing that? It's not as though she'd *need* them in the future....

That's a very good point, and something I had considered. I just didn't really think about it more than a minute, considering what a control freak Cindy is, and how she seems to be characterized as belittling Casey's authority over her child, it didn't seem that she would miss an opportunity to call her on that. I can see Cindy calling Casey a neglectful mom, and a bad mom, when they are alone, over things like this.

Then again, maybe you're right. Maybe she never had immunizations, and Cindy or George couldn't be bothered enforcing any kind of health safety for the baby. Who knows?

I'm sure it will all come out in trial though, and it will be very interesting to find out all the details.

[kakax]

Hmm, I don't see Dr. G's name on the list.

Jan C. Garavaglia

I don't see her either on any of the lists that have been linked.

[Scampi]

It shows it to me also. Once you read about it and see her photos, you almost can't miss it. It jumps out at you.

I agree with you Kath.

[Pruddennce]

Pru...ITA with you...I do think her social skills and language were suppressed or delayed...

I also noticed the pulling of hair in the video...wondering if it wasn't an OCD kind of thing due to stress.

I also have been aware of what was in that autopsy report when it came out and wondered how it related to Caylee...that being said, I would also like a second or third opinion...as I agree that Dr. Green's comments could be very sensationalized...

Rap, I read up on the sagittal suture thang when the autopsy came out. its not always a life threatening condition.

the articles I read indicated that unless it presents itself at birth, pronounced, there is no way of discerning if the condition exists until later on....for instance, a child can appear to be delayed, experiencing headaches, vision problems, etc. in alot of cases, surgery isnt necessary....only if a medical condition exists.......cosmetic is a reason for surgery in severe cases, not medical...

bottom line is: the normal course of assessment of skills might lead to checking her head esp in light of the size of her head or shape....Ive seen pics and her forehead is massive.......the normal checkup process from birth is 3 6 9 and 12 month checkups, measuring the growth of the head.

did this happen for Caylee, regular visits? Im hoping to hear from her peditrician.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

[KatieLady]

I don't see her either on any of the lists that have been linked.

She would have to testify wouldn't she since she did the autopsy?

[Spots™]

That's a very good point, and something I had considered. I just didn't really think about it more than a minute, considering what a control freak Cindy is, and how she seems to be characterized as belittling Casey's authority over her child, it didn't seem that she would miss an opportunity to call her on that. I can see Cindy calling Casey a neglectful mom, and a bad mom, when they are alone, over things like this.

Then again, maybe you're right. Maybe she never had immunizations, and Cindy or George couldn't be bothered enforcing any kind of health safety for the baby. Who knows?

I'm sure it will all come out in trial though, and it will be very interesting to find out all the details.

I can easily see Casey sponging money off Cindy for the immunizations and then - oops - "missing the appointment" and spending the funds elsewhere. If Cindy asks, Casey lies and said they were done. I can see Casey doing the same with her income tax - borrowing a few bucks for H&R Block and spending it elsewhere, because we all know she had no legitimate income.

Cindy may be a control freak, and I'm sure she was on Casey's posterior about being a good mother. But Cindy also walked on eggshells not to upset Gorgeous. If Casey told her she got the immunizations, Cindy would think long and hard before challenging her on that.

Or not......

[Kathlb]

Rap, I read up on the sagittal suture thang when the autopsy came out. its not always a life threatening condition.
*SNIP*

bottom line is: the normal course of assessment of skills might lead to checking her head esp in light of the size of her head or shape....Ive seen pics and her forehead is massive.......the normal checkup process from birth is 3 6 9 and 12 month checkups, measuring the growth of the head.

did this happen for Caylee, regular visits? Im hoping to hear from her peditrician.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

I am just guessing again, but as controlling as Cindy is, I can see her giving the shots at home and not in a dr. office. She's a nurse and probably has done that plenty of times in the past at her early work in Ohio. JMHO

[Sun]

I can easily see Casey sponging money off Cindy for the immunizations and then - oops - "missing the appointment" and spending the funds elsewhere. If Cindy asks, Casey lies and said they were done. I can see Casey doing the same with her income tax - borrowing a few bucks for H&R Block and spending it elsewhere, because we all know she had no legitimate income.

Cindy may be a control freak, and I'm sure she was on Casey's posterior about being a good mother. But Cindy also walked on eggshells not to upset Gorgeous. If Casey told her she got the immunizations, Cindy would think long and hard before challenging her on that.

Or not......

If my memory is correct, Casey mentioned to DCF that a Dr. Silva was Caylee's pediatrician. But that's the only time that I've ever heard a doctor for Caylee mentioned.

[Katprint]

[quote=Kathlb;13778033]

I only say that about the trunk because of the heat and humidity in Florida. Kath, do you think the prosecution has to show where casey was on a daily basis, since they are asserting she did not work?
"Not working" is not one of the elements of murder. Therefore, the prosecution does not have to prove a negative on this issue i.e. does not have to prove that Casey was not working anywhere.

Casey's initial stories to LE (and friends and family) was that her employment at Universal Studios was the reason she supposedly needed a "nanny" for Caylee. The prosecution will prove that Casey did not work at Universal Studios to show that Casey did not need any nanny for Caylee, which proven fact will support the reasonable inference that Casey did not actually have any nanny for Caylee and therefore Caylee was not kidnapped by any nanny. Casey not being able to pay any nanny due to her not being employed is merely the icing on the cake.

If there is any evidence out there that might establish Casey was employed somewhere else like a strip club, brothel, drug dealer, etc. and merely lied about the nature of her employment due to embarrassment then the defense might try to prove that employment to support an inference that yes, Casey needed a nanny for Caylee which is a prerequisite to the defense that the nanny (ZFG or whoever else) kidnapped Caylee. However, the reciprocal discovery rules require the defense to turn over such evidence (copies of documents, names of witnesses, etc.) to the prosecution, and the judge has ordered this to happen sometime in the next month or so - I forgot the exact date. If the defense tries to "surprise" the prosecution with employment evidence then the judge may exclude that improperly-withheld evidence.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Spots™]

[QUOTE=Scampi;13778049]
"Not working" is not one of the elements of murder. Therefore, the prosecution does not have to prove a negative on this issue i.e. does not have to prove that Casey was not working anywhere.

Casey's initial stories to LE (and friends and family) was that her employment at Universal Studios was the reason she supposedly needed a "nanny" for Caylee. The prosecution will prove that Casey did not work at Universal Studios to show that Casey did not need any nanny for Caylee, which proven fact will support the reasonable inference that Casey did not actually have any nanny for Caylee and therefore Caylee was not kidnapped by any nanny. Casey not being able to pay any nanny due to her not being employed is merely the icing on the cake.

If there is any evidence out there that might establish Casey was employed somewhere else like a strip club, brothel, drug dealer, etc. and merely lied about the nature of her employment due to embarrassment then the defense might try to prove that employment to support an inference that yes, Casey needed a nanny for Caylee which is a prerequisite to the defense that the nanny (ZFG or whoever else) kidnapped Caylee. However, the reciprocal discovery rules require the defense to turn over such evidence (copies of documents, names of witnesses, etc.) to the prosecution, and the judge has ordered this to happen sometime in the next month or so - I forgot the exact date. If the defense tries to "surprise" the prosecution with employment evidence then the judge may exclude that improperly-withheld evidence.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

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[seeing_eye]

As a FLAB it has never occured to me that I might become famous for 15 minutes. :blink: They crave the spotlight and can't stand the fact that they no longer have anything to sell. The media is no longer calling them/him so he calls the media. He looked like a 3rd grader reading his book report in front of the class. Just like when George called the media about the SS Caylee Marie, there was a major lull in news coverage of them/him so he created a story. He craves the attention, just like we crave air to breathe. "What about how I'm feeling?" It's all about me, don't you know? :wink:

If my nic, seeing_eye, becomes famous for 15 minutes, how is anyone to know it is ME???!!!! :confused:

[Scampi]

"Not working" is not one of the elements of murder. Therefore, the prosecution does not have to prove a negative on this issue i.e. does not have to prove that Casey was not working anywhere.

Casey's initial stories to LE (and friends and family) was that her employment at Universal Studios was the reason she supposedly needed a "nanny" for Caylee. The prosecution will prove that Casey did not work at Universal Studios to show that Casey did not need any nanny for Caylee, which proven fact will support the reasonable inference that Casey did not actually have any nanny for Caylee and therefore Caylee was not kidnapped by any nanny. Casey not being able to pay any nanny due to her not being employed is merely the icing on the cake.

If there is any evidence out there that might establish Casey was employed somewhere else like a strip club, brothel, drug dealer, etc. and merely lied about the nature of her employment due to embarrassment then the defense might try to prove that employment to support an inference that yes, Casey needed a nanny for Caylee which is a prerequisite to the defense that the nanny (ZFG or whoever else) kidnapped Caylee. However, the reciprocal discovery rules require the defense to turn over such evidence (copies of documents, names of witnesses, etc.) to the prosecution, and the judge has ordered this to happen sometime in the next month or so - I forgot the exact date. If the defense tries to "surprise" the prosecution with employment evidence then the judge may exclude that improperly-withheld evidence.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Thanks Kat, always informative and thought provoking.

[SayWhen]

JMO
Iam starting to think that "ZANNY" was really casey's car trunk. :crying:

I've always thought that.

[Spots™]

FYI:


Dr. M A. Silva, MD
**** Lake Underhill Road, Orlando, FL(407) 2**-267**

Category: Pediatrician

Caylee's Dr.???

I blocked out certain things...but it is posted on the internet...

Well, there's always a bit of truth in Casey's lies. :D

So many possibilities - we'll have to wait for a new doc dump or the trial to find the answer.

[SayWhen]

Suddenly I realize why George and Cindy were attempting to stop the autopsy report from being made public.

At the time I wasn't sure why it was so important to them because there isn't much that we DON'T know.

Now, it makes more sense.

Wonder if they've been feeling like they dodged a bullet, since there's been almost no discussion of this skull thing? :glare:

[Kathlb]

Thanks Kat, always informative and thought provoking.

Same here Kat! Thank you!!:thumbsup:

[SayWhen]

That's what I get out of all of this too...drugging and or head positioning for extended periods of time...

I do think the defense could make a case of abuse out of this for sure...at the very least could give jurors something to think about.

Especially if there are tox results we haven't seen.

[Scampi]

Wonder if they've been feeling like they dodged a bullet, since there's been almost no discussion of this skull thing? :glare:

I think this proves what many of us have thought all along, there is much more damaging evidence against casey anthony, that we do not know about.............yet.

[SayWhen]

Addicted to what they perceive as "fame" and "fortune" IMO. Though I really do think that they have an intense dislike or hatred for the media and the public, and especially bloggers.

Which tells us just how often and how many "blogs" (forums) they read.

[gailinny]

Well, don't hold your breath Pru...Cindy may have filled that role...she may have even immunized her...who knows...

Caylee may have gone to a Doctor and been immunized up to 1 year of age...after that who knows...and it could be after that when this began to happen.

And from what I have read it can be due to some kind of trauma or at least restrained pressure on the head...

I would like everyone to take a look at the pic of Caylee/Casey on Hinkey meter site, check out Caylee's ears, Her left ear is much further back on her head than the right ear.

I've also noticed that the scrapes on her face seem to be when she's older. This whole family is scary. Poor little Caylee, how horrible....

[BlueTurtle]

More information on Craniosynostosis:

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1175957-overview

I am glad I am reading this now and not when my daughter was 4-6 months old. I know I would have been reading up on it since they were doing tests to see if that was why her head was growing at a much slower rate.

When looking at the tape of Caylee at the nursing home, I am trying to recall how verbal my son was at that time. I really can't recall very well for that exact age.

[SayWhen]

Rap, I read up on the sagittal suture thang when the autopsy came out. its not always a life threatening condition.

the articles I read indicated that unless it presents itself at birth, pronounced, there is no way of discerning if the condition exists until later on....for instance, a child can appear to be delayed, experiencing headaches, vision problems, etc. in alot of cases, surgery isnt necessary....only if a medical condition exists.......cosmetic is a reason for surgery in severe cases, not medical...

bottom line is: the normal course of assessment of skills might lead to checking her head esp in light of the size of her head or shape....Ive seen pics and her forehead is massive.......the normal checkup process from birth is 3 6 9 and 12 month checkups, measuring the growth of the head.

did this happen for Caylee, regular visits? Im hoping to hear from her peditrician.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

I have to believe if Caylee had a regular pediatrician, Cindy and George would've shouted it from the rooftops as further proof of how the MOTY doted on her baby girl.

[spiritwolf46]

I think this proves what many of us have thought all along, there is much more damaging evidence against casey anthony, that we do not know about.............yet.


Nothing more true said, Scamp. I think we are ALL in for some surprises!

[BlueTurtle]

This has mostly to do with the birth defect.
Neonatal period: Craniosynostosis is evident at birth when associated with other craniofacial abnormalities.

This condition is usually diagnosed at birth...being quite evident...but what if it is not due to a birth defect and is due to conditions after birth???

That is what we are dealing with here.

There is primary and secondary.

Primary is associated with the prenatal situation where it is noticeable at birth.

Secondary has to do with as the infant is developing and the head growth is not keeping up with the norms. That is one reason they measure a child's head circumference at well child checkups along with height and weight. That leads the doctors to conduct further tests.

We went through many tests and it was concluded it most likely was a chromosomal mutation that was indicated in my daughter's case. Her head size is now normal but she doesn't have all the convolutions of the surface of the gray matter which is why she has such delays.

I was so glad to find it wasn't the premature closure of the sutures since that would have involved surgeries and associated problems with surgery.

[SayWhen]

If my nic, seeing_eye, becomes famous for 15 minutes, how is anyone to know it is ME???!!!! :confused:

That's the whole point of how completely ridiculous George sounded when he said "bloggers" are looking for their 15 minutes. The "bloggers" he's referring to are anonymous. Just more idiocy.

Another little peeve of mine, while I'm at it: Valhall is a "blogger." Blink is a "blogger." So are Marinade Dave, Hornsby and Shaeffer (or at least he was). People who have set up a blog and who post entries on that blog are "bloggers."

We (and all the people C&G refer to as "bloggers") are actually commenters/posters on a forum/message board.

[SayWhen]

I think this proves what many of us have thought all along, there is much more damaging evidence against casey anthony, that we do not know about.............yet.

It's a perfectly logical conclusion, Scamp. There's a reason the prosecution put the DP back on the table. I never lose sight of that.

[BlueTurtle]

if I remember correctly this person who wrote this report
states that he did not believe Caylee had a generic disorder and
that she was not born with this condition but rather it was caused from laying on back with head positioned a certain way.
That tells me she was put in the trunk laying down with her head sitting on something such as spare tire or something else in the trunk.
I hope if this is true it can be proven without a doubt

This would make sense with the report by one friend that Caylee would be clingy to Casey since when Casey would leave Caylee by herself it was probably where she was restrained her in the car seat or trunk.Not much movement allowed in a car seat.

[Scampi]

It's a perfectly logical conclusion, Scamp. There's a reason the prosecution put the DP back on the table. I never lose sight of that.

Did you continue to read the comments after the Hinky post? They go into a discussion of Caylee's teeth, which seemed to go from straight to overcrowding, another sign of craniosynostosis.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=1358 (http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=1358)

Just think, all those photos and videos of Caylee may be used by the prosecution to prove their theory.

[seeing_eye]

That's the whole point of how completely ridiculous George sounded when he said "bloggers" are looking for their 15 minutes. The "bloggers" he's referring to are anonymous. Just more idiocy.

Another little peeve of mine, while I'm at it: Valhall is a "blogger." Blink is a "blogger." So are Marinade Dave, Hornsby and Shaeffer (or at least he was). People who have set up a blog and who post entries on that blog are "bloggers."

We (and all the people C&G refer to as "bloggers") are actually commenters/posters on a forum/message board.

I agree, Say. A lot of people say "bloggers"when they're referring to posters which prevent a lot of people from knowing the difference.

[need2no]

Here's another pic of Caylee where you can really see the difference in the size of her eyes, plus her right eye in this pic looks like a 'lazy' eye.

http://www.flutterbyewings.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/cayleencmc.jpg

[Spots™]

That's the whole point of how completely ridiculous George sounded when he said "bloggers" are looking for their 15 minutes. The "bloggers" he's referring to are anonymous. Just more idiocy.

Another little peeve of mine, while I'm at it: Valhall is a "blogger." Blink is a "blogger." So are Marinade Dave, Hornsby and Shaeffer (or at least he was). People who have set up a blog and who post entries on that blog are "bloggers."

We (and all the people C&G refer to as "bloggers") are actually commenters/posters on a forum/message board.

That annoys me, too, Impie. We're really "flaps."

But in my case, "flab" is much more appropriate, and not because I have a blog. :D

[Spots™]

Lexi,
Exactly! From the beginning I wished LE questioned C & G separately at the police station. They missed a valuable opportunity imoo. Can you imagine having C & G's first comments documented and compared to their later comments? OMG :scared:

I wish, too. However - in defense of LE - at the beginning this was "only" a missing child case, and Cindy and George both said they hadn't seen her in over a month. The only logical POI was Casey.

Ah, hindsight...... Bet the detectives are kicking themselves, too.

[achristie]

Here's another pic of Caylee where you can really see the difference in the size of her eyes, plus her right eye in this pic looks like a 'lazy' eye.

http://www.flutterbyewings.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/cayleencmc.jpg

I'm late to the discussion and just jumping in. Has it been verified that Caylee had regular visits with a pediatrician? TIA.

[Lynx]

Lexi,
Exactly! From the beginning I wished LE questioned C & G separately at the police station. They missed a valuable opportunity imoo. Can you imagine having C & G's first comments documented and compared to their later comments? OMG :scared:

Those first interviews that were done with George and Cindy with LE at the police station had Casey already been out on bond?

I have always wondered why George would always say Cindy would say to him, "Let me handle Casey"......

Could you even imagine Casey making that mad face,(like she did in court) at you if you were 2 1/2 years old.

The more I read the sicker I get!

Thank you posters for providing such great links.

[Lynx]

Lynx,
:thumbsup: Hey it's good to see you.
Poor George, look where letting Cindy handle Casey got them!! :scared:

Casey's childish faces, her actions and even her non-responsive actions will "tell" the judge and jurors a lot, imho.
I CAN"T WAIT.



Good to be back!

I agree with you!

Do you think that Cindy handled Casey because she was prone for anger issues? George being George did not know how? Maybe old George held Casey to a higher standered which would add fuel to the fire in one of her little tirades. JMO He does'nt know how to handle Cindy when she gets angry....only apologizes later.

[charmin 66]

New article by Hal

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/01/casey-anthony-her-parents-lawyers-dont-help-with-public-relations.html#comments

[Lynx]

The picture of Caylee, the one where her little face looks drawn to one side.....
could that be from a bump on that side of the face?

Do children gets Bell's Palsy? (sp)

After looking at the pictures I wondered the same thing...

Caylee looks like she has had a mild stroke.:sad:IMO

[Lynx]

George Anthony is not a man who would actually take the reins and lead in any family situation -- never did, and never will. Or god knows he would have by now in this situation. If he knew how to man up, this was his Rocky Balboa Opportunity.

But he didn't. As usual. He let 'mommy' take care of it, his wife-mommy, who takes care of everything.

Don't kid yourself. George Anthony likes being told what to do.

If you think differently, I'd give it another think.

Remember: he's not a prisoner in that house and in that marriage, yet he stays with mommy-wife.

If he wasn't getting something out of it, he wouldn't be staying in it.

:mellow:

I agree with everything you are saying about George and I think he should have grown some long ago....

But he did at least follow up on her at Sports Authority which was nipped in the bud by Cyn.:w00t:

[puzzler]

Just an FYI regarding Hinky's latest article.

She posted in the comments section that her Dr. Green says this would not be used at trial as it cannot be definitively proved why this occurred.

[Lynx]

Yes, I think that's why Cindy wanted to handle Casey. Imhoo, I think Casey was always a spoiled brat. I think she was spoiled and manipulative with her parents. That made Casey the super brat who threw fits when things didn't go her way. That's why I think she killed Caylee. Imhoo, Casey was mad at her mom...........couldn't manipulate Cindy and I think Casey killed Caylee because of that.

So you think it was because of Cindy....

In any scenario it is so sad and uncalled for.:sad:

But something in my wants to make me think that something very drastically snapped in Casey after the fight with that guy at the anything but clothes party.JMO

[Lynx]

Just an FYI regarding Hinky's latest article.

She posted in the comments section that her Dr. Green says this would not be used at trial as it cannot be definitively proved why this occurred.

That is so sad that this can't be used. Thanks for the update.

[Scampi]

Just an FYI regarding Hinky's latest article.

She posted in the comments section that her Dr. Green says this would not be used at trial as it cannot be definitively proved why this occurred.


I missed that comment Puzzler, how far down is it? If the condition exists, I don't see why the prosecution can't submit their theory of why it exists.

[SayWhen]

New article by Hal

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/01/casey-anthony-her-parents-lawyers-dont-help-with-public-relations.html#comments

The paramount issues are: What happened to this child named Caylee? And who is responsible for what happened?

Perhaps the people closest to Casey Anthony don’t understand that. Or they keep forgetting.

I love Hal. :wub:

[SayWhen]

George Anthony is not a man who would actually take the reins and lead in any family situation -- never did, and never will. Or god knows he would have by now in this situation. If he knew how to man up, this was his Rocky Balboa Opportunity.

But he didn't. As usual. He let 'mommy' take care of it, his wife-mommy, who takes care of everything.

Don't kid yourself. George Anthony likes being told what to do.

If you think differently, I'd give it another think.

Remember: he's not a prisoner in that house and in that marriage, yet he stays with mommy-wife.

If he wasn't getting something out of it, he wouldn't be staying in it.

:mellow:

ITA with every word of this. And even on the rare occasion he doesn't like being told what to do, it gives him someone else to :shrug: blame :shrug:

Ugh.

[puzzler]

I missed that comment Puzzler, how far down is it? If the condition exists, I don't see why the prosecution can't submit their theory of why it exists.

One correction. Upon rereading it, he says he does not believe it will be used.

The comment is pretty far down (about 3/4 down the page of comments?) 1:01:02

[seeing_eye]

George Anthony is not a man who would actually take the reins and lead in any family situation -- never did, and never will. Or god knows he would have by now in this situation. If he knew how to man up, this was his Rocky Balboa Opportunity.

But he didn't. As usual. He let 'mommy' take care of it, his wife-mommy, who takes care of everything.

Don't kid yourself. George Anthony likes being told what to do.

If you think differently, I'd give it another think.

Remember: he's not a prisoner in that house and in that marriage, yet he stays with mommy-wife.

If he wasn't getting something out of it, he wouldn't be staying in it.

:mellow:

George stays there for the same reason Casey never flew the nest.

[puzzler]

That is so sad that this can't be used. Thanks for the update.

Well, Lynx, I misstated it a little bit. He actually told her he did not believe it would be used.:blushing:

[Lynx]

Well, Lynx, I misstated it a little bit. He actually told her he did not believe it would be used.:blushing:

Well thank you again:smile:.

[puzzler]

Well thank you again:smile:.

You're welcome.:smile:

[SayWhen]

I missed that comment Puzzler, how far down is it? If the condition exists, I don't see why the prosecution can't submit their theory of why it exists.

I agree. If the prosecution has already consulted their own expert(s) on the significance of this finding and it fits with the general theory of their case, I don't know why they couldn't use it.

From a *pattern of behavior* point of view, it makes more sense that Casey was abusing Caylee in some fashion prior to her murder than that she went from never laying a hand on the child to murder in the blink of an eye. Based on Casey's sociopathic personality, I don't think it's a stretch that Caylee was harmed by Casey prior to June 15-16. If I were a juror, I'd be open to hearing whatever evidence the state presented that pointed to prior abuse.

[Lynx]

I don't think anything snapped. I think that was just Casey and it was bound to happen sooner or later.

What a tragedy...and she probably was being abused.

It is really hard to tell what this little angel really may have been thru.:sad:

[Spots™]

Well, Lynx, I misstated it a little bit. He actually told her he did not believe it would be used.:blushing:

Val explained that it can be introduced as a possibility, but that the defense can then elicit testimony that the opposite (lack of abuse) is also a possibility.

If the prosecution does introduce the possibility of abuse, it may very well resonate with the jury and stick in their minds in spite of any defense moves.

[Scampi]

I agree. If the prosecution has already consulted their own expert(s) on the significance of this finding and it fits with the general theory of their case, I don't know why they couldn't use it.

From a *pattern of behavior* point of view, it makes more sense that Casey was abusing Caylee in some fashion prior to her murder than that she went from never laying a hand on the child to murder in the blink of an eye. Based on Casey's sociopathic personality, I don't think it's a stretch that Caylee was harmed by Casey prior to June 15-16. If I were a juror, I'd be open to hearing whatever evidence the state presented that pointed to prior abuse.

I agree, and think there is going to be a battle royale about getting this evidence before the jury, but I believe Judge Strickland will allow it because the jurors are the tryors of fact.

[puzzler]

Val explained that it can be introduced as a possibility, but that the defense can then elicit testimony that the opposite (lack of abuse) is also a possibility.

If the prosecution does introduce the possibility of abuse, it may very well resonate with the jury and stick in their minds in spite of any defense moves.

I tend to agree that this may indeed be introduced. The defense experts will try to rebutt every single piece of scientific evidence and this will be just one more. The jury gets to decide which experts they believe.

At the end of they day, with or without this, the state has more than enough evidence to convict Casey. JMO

[puzzler]

I am still a little confused as to why Dr. G is not listed on the witness list.

Maybe there is an updated list that I cannot find?

Surely she must testify as the medical examiner who performed the autopsy?

:confused:

[Scampi]

I am still a little confused as to why Dr. G is not listed on the witness list.

Maybe there is an updated list that I cannot find?

Surely she must testify as the medical examiner who performed the autopsy?

:confused:

Rest assured that Dr. G. will testify.

[Pruddennce]

I'm late to the discussion and just jumping in. Has it been verified that Caylee had regular visits with a pediatrician? TIA.

the only mention of Caylee's health is by Casey.....which has to be considered a lie as she goes on to divert the conversation about health insurance, what insurance she HAD and how the insurance changed....but not that the insurance was in effect as she sat there.....

page 5
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-11/43228283.PDF

100 percentile? current with shots?

Casey is a liar. she sat there and LIED about health insurance, the father, reverted back to the same lies she told LE that she worked at Universal....THE SAME LIES that she already admitted to LE SHE LIED ABOUT.....*no I dont work here anymore* she tells LE.....*I just wanted to take you here so I could pass her picture around*....what?????? GOOD GRIEF, the same lies about the sitter and her employment...

so one is to believe she had health insurance, paid for by Casey with what?......Cindy blogs she was the one paying for ALL OF CAYLEE's needs, including health.....

Cindy Anthony:
http://cayleeanthony.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/cindy-anthony-deleted-myspace.jpg

"The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning and does not let her mother now speak to the baby that her mother raised, fed, clothed, sheltered, paid her medical bills, etc."

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Pruddennce]

Val explained that it can be introduced as a possibility, but that the defense can then elicit testimony that the opposite (lack of abuse) is also a possibility.

If the prosecution does introduce the possibility of abuse, it may very well resonate with the jury and stick in their minds in spite of any defense moves.

I dont think they will infer abuse. Casey was in the video store, hours later, renting movies with her BF. that is the first stepping stone they will use to show she had no concern for her daughter's whereabouts.

IMO they do not need to speak of it....simply show a few pictures, pictures that Casey herself had posted on the web, including the ones that showed the eye injury.....doesnt matter if she banged it, keep showing various pictures of a tired looking little toddler.....a toddler sitting next to mom while she played with a guitar....witnesses who will testify she slept on a couch while her mother was 'busy' with her boyfriend in a closed bedroom.....

there are many ways to introduce disregard for Caylee's well-being....starting with hours later and then going forward, the entire month of Casey's 'known' activities......introduced thru store videos and witnesses, tattoo parlor, etc.

IMO, the only person who would have witnessed a deliberate slap, pinch or push would be Cindy A. those events were meant to hurt Cindy.....and she did nothing to prevent Casey taking it to the max.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[puzzler]

Won't she testify for the state and not the defense? :confused:

Yes, of course.

[Scampi]

I think with a charge of aggravated child abuse they must do more the just infer, they have to prove it.

[SayWhen]

I am still a little confused as to why Dr. G is not listed on the witness list.

Maybe there is an updated list that I cannot find?

Surely she must testify as the medical examiner who performed the autopsy?

:confused:

It is my understanding that witness lists are updated right up to trial time, puzzler.

[Elvish2]

I had talked to someone about this before and they seemed to think that just the autopsy report would be in evidence and she would not have to testify herself...but I don't believe that...

Legal Eagles???

There was a trial early in '09, that I watched, that the Pathologist who performed the autopsy, was unable to attend, and IIRC, the Chief of Staff took the witness stand with the other Dr's notes. I just can't remember who's trial it was.:confused: I believe that the Dr was already subpoenaed at another trial. Anyone?

[puzzler]

I think with a charge of aggravated child abuse they must do more the just infer, they have to prove it.

The child abuse is a slam dunk. Child abuse is an act or a failure to act. When Casey did not report Caylee "missing", she committed child abuse.

ETA I am not sure about the aggravated part.

[Pruddennce]

it should be noted contained within the autopsy is a single reference to a pediatrician:

page 13
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/06/19/caylee.anthony.autopsy.pdf

- she has no known dental history, but has visited a pediatrician.

-we are not aware of a history of significant trauma or pathology noted in her medical records.

it will be interesting to see what her 'medical records' contained, how often she would have 'visited'.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[puzzler]

It is my understanding that witness lists are updated right up to trial time, puzzler.

You're right.

Look at the defense.....still no list IIRC.

:laugh:

[girlspell]

I think the defense will counter with videos that show a happy Caylee cavorting with Casey. I've seen a couple with Calyee giggling and doing a forward roll on top of Casey.

Sometimes I see Caylee looking kind of gaunt with circles under her eyes. Yet other times she seemed happy and alert. Other then the mark under her eye when she hit a coffe table, she looked unmarked.

:confused:

[Kathlb]

That's the whole point of how completely ridiculous George sounded when he said "bloggers" are looking for their 15 minutes. The "bloggers" he's referring to are anonymous. Just more idiocy.

Another little peeve of mine, while I'm at it: Valhall is a "blogger." Blink is a "blogger." So are Marinade Dave, Hornsby and Shaeffer (or at least he was). People who have set up a blog and who post entries on that blog are "bloggers."

We (and all the people C&G refer to as "bloggers") are actually commenters/posters on a forum/message board.

You are correct Oh SW. We are not blogging and you know what that means...we need a new name! Cindy must think that everyone who is online is a blogger. :rolleyes::w00t:

[Pruddennce]

The child abuse is a slam dunk. Child abuse is an act or a failure to act. When Casey did not report Caylee "missing", she committed child abuse.

ETA I am not sure about the aggravated part.

puzzler, that is what I was attempting to convey....IMO, I dont believe the state will say she slapped her around....however, depending on whatever evidence they have which has not been released, there can very well have been drugs in Caylee's body.....discovery obtained by the maggots digestion.....IMO, her DNA and something else might have been discovered with the insect activity.....

......which has resulted in the charge of aggravated child abuse....what she did to Caylee resulted in her death....that is why they are not dropping the AA charges......

Im no good explaining the law, Kat is...:D

I simply do not believe the state is going to talk about physical injuries....I do believe they will connect the dots as to the abuse charge which resulted in her death.....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[SayWhen]

:thumbup:

You are so right about this -- I imagine there are a few people who kill the first time, without prior abuse, but they're darned rare.

And KC's not one of them.

I believe in the photographs and how so many of them, undoctored, seem to be showing us a little girl who was deteriorating at least physically -- and emotionally, I'm willing to bet.

You don't maintain a sunny "Annie": "The Sun Will Come Out Tomorrow" kind of attitude when you're not even 3 years old, and you're being mistreated, more and more and more.

Many of the pictures and videos of Caylee have disturbed me right from the start ... her eyes, mainly. They are haunted in several of the pics. And she was alone so often in so many of them. Heartbreaking.

[Kathlb]

Here's another pic of Caylee where you can really see the difference in the size of her eyes, plus her right eye in this pic looks like a 'lazy' eye.

http://www.flutterbyewings.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/cayleencmc.jpg

There really is quite a difference in size between the left and the right eye.

[puzzler]

puzzler, that is what I was attempting to convey....IMO, I dont believe the state will say she slapped her around....however, depending on whatever evidence they have which has not been released, there can very well have been drugs in Caylee's body.....discovery obtained by the maggots digestion.....IMO, her DNA and something else might have been discovered with the insect activity.....

......which has resulted in the charge of aggravated child abuse....what she did to Caylee resulted in her death....that is why they are not dropping the AA charges......

Im no good explaining the law, Kat is...:D

I simply do not believe the state is going to talk about physical injuries....I do believe they will connect the dots as to the abuse charge which resulted in her death.....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

I don't think they will talk about physical injuries either. I sure wish we would get the maggot evidence, but if they did find something in the maggots, we may not see that until the very last minute or at trial, I guess.

[puzzler]

Daniel
Kobilinski
Lee

But remember the defense has to prove nothing...only refute..

Oh, yeah, I forgot they listed those two. My bad.:blushing:

True they don't have to prove anything, but I would think they need more than Kobilinski and Lee. I have my doubts that Lee will even testify. JMO

[puzzler]

Many of the pictures and videos of Caylee have disturbed me right from the start ... her eyes, mainly. They are haunted in several of the pics. And she was alone so often in so many of them. Heartbreaking.

They haunt me, too. I have a granddaughter and although we may have a picture or two where she isn't exactly beaming, in most of them she is smiling and happy. It seems there are a lot of Caylee smiling, but as many, if not more, of her not smiling. She was too young to appear so sad and somber in so many pictures.

SAD!

:crying:

[apothecary]

I have always said that in my opinion Casey was drugging caylee with any benzo that she could lay her hands on and that she got the idea from Cindy and may have even raided Cindys bottles to get the drugs.All she had to do was cut the pills in quarters and give Caylee some in her food.She could have been doing it for just a few months before her death and for that reason drugs did not show up in her hair.Dr G.definitely mentioned the premature closure of the skull and must have felt it important enough to note.Somehow my gut tells me that Cindy knew Caylee was being drugged and did nothing about it because she probably thought it was only once or twice.Just a feeling I have...

[CrimeWarrior]

Blog Talk Radio is going to be airing a Live show on the Caylee Anthony case in about an hour and 20 minutes here is the link: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2010/01/11/missing-mother-susan-powell

[puzzler]

Also Daniel-forensics...

I don't know who this is. Do you have any other info on this person?

TIA

[puzzler]

Larry E Daniel guardian digital forensics~computer

Thanks. So he is going to say they can't prove who did the searches on the computer, etc. I assume?

[puzzler]

Larry E Daniel guardian digital forensics~computer

Larry Daniel does computer forensics, cell phone, digital cameras, etc.

Here's a link to his website.

http://www.guardiandf.com/index.html

[Chardonnay]

Blog Talk Radio is going to be airing a Live show on the Caylee Anthony case in about an hour and 20 minutes here is the link: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2010/01/11/missing-mother-susan-powell

Great show. Thanks for the heads up. Justice for Caylee...:wub:

[A4everFriend]

Just wanted to say hi. I'm new here and would like to know if there is somewhere where all the links are or are they just scattered through out the posts? Such as trial evidence and such. You guys do a great job, thanks so much.:thumbsup:

[Spots™]

Just wanted to say hi. I'm new here and would like to know if there is somewhere where all the links are or are they just scattered through out the posts? Such as trial evidence and such. You guys do a great job, thanks so much.:thumbsup:

Links #1 (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=338043)

Links #2 (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=352149)

Some of the earlier links may not work anymore, but you can always try.

Welcome aboard!

[A4everFriend]

Thanks so much Spots, and thanks for the warm welcome.

[spydernweb2006]

Just wanted to say hi. I'm new here and would like to know if there is somewhere where all the links are or are they just scattered through out the posts? Such as trial evidence and such. You guys do a great job, thanks so much.:thumbsup:

Welcome !

Pull up a chair, jump rt in and become a FLAB!

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

According to Hinky Meter the Zenaida myspace was just accessed again!
The name Debesa and pics have been added including one of Zenaida which IN MY OPINION is no 10 and looks alot like Mally Bu


** edited to add I also am of the opinion that the esa at the end of the Debesa name reminds me alot of the Pleasea name.....

[charmin 66]

Welcome !

Pull up a chair, jump rt in and become a FLAB!

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

According to Hinky Meter the Zenaida myspace was just accessed again!
The name Debesa and pics have been added including one of Zenaida which IN MY OPINION is no 10 and looks alot like Mally Bu


** edited to add I also am of the opinion that the esa at the end of the Debesa name reminds me alot of the Pleasea name.....

Val wrote, "I am concluding this myspace was not created by Casey Anthony."

But, I don't think this disproves Casey created it. Couldn't someone else like Lee perhaps be accessing the account.

[AnnieKins]

Just wanted to say hi. I'm new here and would like to know if there is somewhere where all the links are or are they just scattered through out the posts? Such as trial evidence and such. You guys do a great job, thanks so much.:thumbsup:

Welcome to the board, Friend. (Ohhh, I sounded just like Nancy Grace, didn't I? :wink:)

[kakax]

Morning everyone! Hope your Monday is great!
Just in case people may have missed Hal's new blog entry about the Anthonys, thought I would repost it.

Casey Anthony: Her parents, lawyers bungle public relations
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/01/casey-anthony-her-parents-lawyers-dont-help-with-public-relations.html

[ellegna]

Morning everyone! Hope your Monday is great!
Just in case people may have missed Hal's new blog entry about the Anthonys, thought I would repost it.

Casey Anthony: Her parents, lawyers bungle public relations
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/01/casey-anthony-her-parents-lawyers-dont-help-with-public-relations.html

Morning Kakax

I hadn't read it yet so thank you for the reminder.

Hal does pose an interesting question.
How different would the coverage be now if George and Cindy stayed out of the limelight?
Personally? I want justice for Caylee. I would continue to follow the progress of this case with or without G&C's pathetic antics.

[kakax]

Morning Kakax

I hadn't read it yet so thank you for the reminder.

Hal does pose an interesting question.
How different would the coverage be now if George and Cindy stayed out of the limelight?
Personally? I want justice for Caylee. I would continue to follow the progress of this case with or without G&C's pathetic antics.

I would have followed it as well, but I think I would have done like I do with other cases after remains have been found....check every now and then for updates and follow the trial. I don't think I have ever followed a case this closely from start to finish.

[cassidy]

I would have followed it as well, but I think I would have done like I do with other cases after remains have been found....check every now and then for updates and follow the trial. I don't think I have ever followed a case this closely from start to finish.

Cindy's bizarre interview with Greta really sucked me into this case. I just had to see what kind of a grandmother would go on TV, have the chance to plead with kidnappers to return her granddaughter safely and instead complained about HER lack of sleep and dictated which questions she would answer? George, Cindy and Lee's bizarre actions from that day forward have kept me glued to this case. If not for them, I probably would have done what Kakax said above. They took it to the media and they kept the media interested and not in a positive way.

IMO

[kakax]

Cindy's bizarre interview with Greta really sucked me into this case. I just had to see what kind of a grandmother would go on TV, have the chance to plead with kidnappers to return her granddaughter safely and instead complained about HER lack of sleep and dictated which questions she would answer? George, Cindy and Lee's bizarre actions from that day forward have kept me glued to this case. If not for them, I probably would have done what Kakax said above. They took it to the media and they kept the media interested and not in a positive way.

IMO

Oh the good old days when Greta covered these stories! Yup, George and Cindy have only themselves to blame for the continued interest in this case. There have been several slumps in coverage where we sit here wondering what is going on, not as many people commenting on the board...and then, wham, we get hit again with something to discuss. It isn't always document drops (although I wish it were). Recently it has been the cruises, the tatoos, the earrings, the letter, Casey's inappropriate anger which some deemed as her having a melt down, Andrea going on the Today show to promote her book....

Now we are getting into the meat of the cases (hopefully) Prelim hearing coming up and the fraud case. Can't wait!!

[onlykaty]

Just a couple of weeks until the fraud trial is supposed to go down. I'm thinking we should be hearing something soon about it. I don't know what but something, I'm getting antsy. I feel a guilty plea coming here. I'd rather see Casey in court and go down for a few of her evil deeds..grrrrrrr..jmo

[kakax]

Warning....color picture of Caylee's shorts as they were found on/ near her remains.
I hadn't seen it in color and the color makes it more real. :crying:

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2010/01/color-pic-of-shorts-caylee-anthony-was-wearing-when-murdered/


ETA....as you scroll down there are more color photos.

[Sun]

Just a couple of weeks until the fraud trial is supposed to go down. I'm thinking we should be hearing something soon about it. I don't know what but something, I'm getting antsy. I feel a guilty plea coming here. I'd rather see Casey in court and go down for a few of her evil deeds..grrrrrrr..jmo

Yes, two weeks away. I also can't believe that Casey would sit through an entire trial on the criminal check/fraud charges, and also think that she'll be changing her plea.

[Scampi]

Good morning everyone. Here is some info on pleas. I see anthony going with a nolo contendere or no contest plea.
http://www.criminal-law-lawyer-source.com/terms/plea.html

[trich]

Yes, two weeks away. I also can't believe that Casey would sit through an entire trial on the criminal check/fraud charges, and also think that she'll be changing her plea.

I still can't help thinking "something" is going to happen to
postpone the fraud trial.
I guess I am a skeptic when it comes to anything related to Casey
and this defense team.
I don't see anything happening as it should .
I do really hope I am wrong....I want justice for Caylee and for
all the other innocent people this family has dragged into
their mess.

[Sun]

Good morning everyone. Here is some info on pleas. I see anthony going with a nolo contendere or no contest plea.
http://www.criminal-law-lawyer-source.com/terms/plea.html

Thanks for this link. I've been wondering if she could plea No Contest to all 13 charges.

[onlykaty]

Good morning everyone. Here is some info on pleas. I see anthony going with a nolo contendere or no contest plea.
http://www.criminal-law-lawyer-source.com/terms/plea.html


Thanks Scampi, that answers a lot of questions I have already seen posted on the board. I think if she does opt a no contest or guilty plea, she still won't get off very easy. The prosecution want her bad. AND so do I! BUT so do WE all. :mad:

[onlykaty]

Who decides on her punishment if she does opt a plea? The judge? Does the prosecution have any deciding factors in accepting a plea?

I know a guilty plea would be automatic. Then the judge would decide her fate. I guess its the no contest plea I'm asking about.

[witchywoman]

Warning....color picture of Caylee's shorts as they were found on/ near her remains.
I hadn't seen it in color and the color makes it more real. :crying:

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2010/01/color-pic-of-shorts-caylee-anthony-was-wearing-when-murdered/


ETA....as you scroll down there are more color photos.

first time ive seen that pic..

awwwwwwwww,my heart just sank...

jmho, but i think casey is a , well let me bite my tongue as i dont feel like going to ban camp..

I want justice for caylee..

[adair]

[QUOTE=Kathlb;13777419]Good Morning ellegna,

Well we have certainly been getting a lot of insight into the Anthony family and little Caylee's problems. And the fact that it seems she wasn't taken to the doctor for well baby check ups or they would have found multiple problems I believe. I truly believe that Casey is on this earth taking valuable space from someone else who is a loving and caring mother. That poor baby never had a chance from what the documents and Val's wonderful and in depth research shows.


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I missed Val's post or blog about Caylee's Dr visits. Can you direct me to a link if its not to much trouble.


TIA.....I gotta get ready for work....So i am short on time.

Thank You!!!

[MisterGrey]

the only mention of Caylee's health is by Casey.....which has to be considered a lie as she goes on to divert the conversation about health insurance, what insurance she HAD and how the insurance changed....but not that the insurance was in effect as she sat there.....

page 5
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-11/43228283.PDF

100 percentile? current with shots?

Casey is a liar. she sat there and LIED about health insurance, the father, reverted back to the same lies she told LE that she worked at Universal....THE SAME LIES that she already admitted to LE SHE LIED ABOUT.....*no I dont work here anymore* she tells LE.....*I just wanted to take you here so I could pass her picture around*....what?????? GOOD GRIEF, the same lies about the sitter and her employment...

so one is to believe she had health insurance, paid for by Casey with what?......Cindy blogs she was the one paying for ALL OF CAYLEE's needs, including health.....

Cindy Anthony:
http://cayleeanthony.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/cindy-anthony-deleted-myspace.jpg

"The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning and does not let her mother now speak to the baby that her mother raised, fed, clothed, sheltered, paid her medical bills, etc."

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

BBM

Thanks for mentioning this Pru.

I found this statement to be more of the Anthony bravado claiming superior standing once again.

Now of course times have changed along with the medical terms used since mine were youngsters, however whenever I heard a percentile pushing one hundred it was never a good thing.

My three pushed towards 100% and beyond in areas of weight,height, size and cholesterol. I had large Native American babies and as such watched their diet since birth to avoid later life complications such as diabetes. For example when one was in the 96% then 96 children at that age weighed less,etc. It seemed that the goal for good health and development lay somewhere in the middle.

I haven't addressed this here as it seemed OT but with Cindy and Casey claiming 100% in "ages and stages" maybe someone could explain what that means in today's times.

[oswald]

Good Morning everyone! Looks like we are thawing out finally (even tho we are due for more snow later this week) I'm going to water my lawn today, time to start getting my spring stuff - this spring I'm getting a bird bath, putting up a bird house and a few more feeders - I do like to watch the birds, and it does keep my cats occupied by watching - and even if my cats get out, they wouldn't know what to do with a bird if they had one! It's not full of catnip! LOL

Well, no word on a plea for the check trial huh???? We are looking at 2 weeks out - any word on a jury selection?

I stayed away from this case this weekend (nope no cruise, tats or pierced ears LOL) - sometimes we just need a break from all the carp being thrown around - I'm also starting to plan our WDW and Harry Potter Land vacation for this summer - maybe I can divert to the courtroom when the kids are at Harry Potter Land for the third day!

[Sun]

I'm guessing that we may see the State file a few responses to the numerous Motions that the defense filed late last year. Or, maybe responses to these two motions?

Defendant's Motion In Limine To Preclude The Introduction Of Any Evidence Relating To Miss Anthony's Murder Case (Includes Table Of Exhibits and Memorandum Of Law in Support, 15 pages)
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/document-preview.aspx?doc_id=13098974

Motion In Limine To Exclude Evidence Of Alleged Prior Bad Acts (Includes Table Of Exhibits, Memorandum Of Law in Support, 13 pages)
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/document-preview.aspx?doc_id=13099942



So glad that temps are improving. Yesterday morning, it was zero here, this morning 24 degrees.... seems like a heat wave! Lawns here are frozen and snow-covered, so need no care for now.

[Kathlb]

[QUOTE=Kathlb;13777419]Good Morning ellegna,

Well we have certainly been getting a lot of insight into the Anthony family and little Caylee's problems. And the fact that it seems she wasn't taken to the doctor for well baby check ups or they would have found multiple problems I believe. I truly believe that Casey is on this earth taking valuable space from someone else who is a loving and caring mother. That poor baby never had a chance from what the documents and Val's wonderful and in depth research shows.


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I missed Val's post or blog about Caylee's Dr visits. Can you direct me to a link if its not to much trouble.


TIA.....I gotta get ready for work....So i am short on time.

Thank You!!!


Here you go adair, and I'm so sorry I missed this until now, but I wasn't online.
I may have missed "your window of opportunity" But maybe you can read more tonight. Lots of good reading there.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=1358

[oswald]

I must have missed this - where does it say anywhere, that Caylee didn't have well baby checks, shots, etc. And where is it said that Caylee had medical problems? A credible source?

I must have missed that whole news flash!

Someone?

[SayWhen]

Warning....color picture of Caylee's shorts as they were found on/ near her remains.
I hadn't seen it in color and the color makes it more real. :crying:

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2010/01/color-pic-of-shorts-caylee-anthony-was-wearing-when-murdered/


ETA....as you scroll down there are more color photos.

Morning, kakax.

The most disturbing picture I've seen (at another site) was of the fabric laundry bag she was found in. :crying:

[puzzler]

I must have missed this - where does it say anywhere, that Caylee didn't have well baby checks, shots, etc. And where is it said that Caylee had medical problems? A credible source?

I must have missed that whole news flash!

Someone?

I think this was speculation. As far as I know we have not seen Caylee's medical records, but we know she went to the doctor because I think they found a prescription medication for Caylee when they searched the A's house.

Maybe the medical problem mentioned was referring to Caylee's skull showing signs of premature closing (forgive my lack of the technical term here)? This condition, I am sure was not noticed while she was living.

JMO

[oswald]

I think this was speculation. As far as I know we have not seen Caylee's medical records, but we know she went to the doctor because I think they found a prescription medication for Caylee when they searched the A's house.

Maybe the medical problem mentioned was referring to Caylee's skull showing signs of premature closing (forgive my lack of the technical term here)? This condition, I am sure was not noticed while she was living.

JMO

We don't know what they found in the house - that hasn't been released - which I think is one of the smoking guns that the State has

Where was this medical problem notated? Was it in the autopsy report? I never read this in that report

Is that speculation also???

[puzzler]

We don't know what they found in the house - that hasn't been released - which I think is one of the smoking guns that the State has

Where was this medical problem notated? Was it in the autopsy report? I never read this in that report

Is that speculation also???

Did you read Hinkey's article on this? She wrote an article about a finding in the autopsy of premature closing of the saggital bones in the skull.

You are right about the medication, but sometime I read there was an antibiotic for Caylee found in the home. I can't remember where I read that, so it could be wrong.

[puzzler]

Oswald, here's the link to the Hinky article.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=1358

[oswald]

Did you read Hinkey's article on this? She wrote an article about a finding in the autopsy of premature closing of the saggital bones in the skull.

You are right about the medication, but sometime I read there was an antibiotic for Caylee found in the home. I can't remember where I read that, so it could be wrong.

I haven't read it BUT the hinky meter is another blogger - so it's speculation also - the autopsy notes were released and there was nothing about this problem - so maybe the blogger is reading 'into' what isn't there? I don't know - I take what bloggers have to say with a grain of salt - unless I see an actual report from a doctor or the medical examiner, then it's just speculation - but then with no doc dumps, no new reports, it's interesting to speculate and thats all we and others are doing - the what if factor

[no1what]

I haven't read it BUT the hinky meter is another blogger - so it's speculation also - the autopsy notes were released and there was nothing about this problem - so maybe the blogger is reading 'into' what isn't there? I don't know - I take what bloggers have to say with a grain of salt - unless I see an actual report from a doctor or the medical examiner, then it's just speculation - but then with no doc dumps, no new reports, it's interesting to speculate and thats all we and others are doing - the what if factor


Isn't most everything circumstantial unless the crime has been recorded?

According to the Hinky Meter the autopsy report does document this medical condition of the skull. I don't think it can be called speculation when it's clearly noted in the autopsy report.

[puzzler]

I haven't read it BUT the hinky meter is another blogger - so it's speculation also - the autopsy notes were released and there was nothing about this problem - so maybe the blogger is reading 'into' what isn't there? I don't know - I take what bloggers have to say with a grain of salt - unless I see an actual report from a doctor or the medical examiner, then it's just speculation - but then with no doc dumps, no new reports, it's interesting to speculate and thats all we and others are doing - the what if factor

You need to read the article. It was in the autopsy and she consulted with a Dr. Green. I don't think it will be used in court (and neither does Dr. Green).

Interesting to say the least. I don't really think it will be used, but you never know.

JMO

[oswald]

Isn't most everything circumstantial unless the crime has been recorded?

According to the Hinky Meter the autopsy report does document this medical condition of the skull. I don't think it can be called speculation when it's clearly noted in the autopsy report.

I'd love to know where in the autopsy report it states it - I read it and didn't see it - if it is in the report then we'd have to know if this was a common condition or not - was it because of no pre natal care

We all know Caylee was not in the best environment with Casey - parties, sleeping in the same bed as mommy and her flavor of the month, etc. I would 'speculate' that Casey used sleeping medication on Caylee because I don't know of ANY two year old that would just go to sleep while everyone is loud and partying

But thats all it is speculation - of course we do it, we can't help it - we have to remember to take it with a grain of salt, thats all

[puzzler]

I'd love to know where in the autopsy report it states it - I read it and didn't see it - if it is in the report then we'd have to know if this was a common condition or not - was it because of no pre natal care

We all know Caylee was not in the best environment with Casey - parties, sleeping in the same bed as mommy and her flavor of the month, etc. I would 'speculate' that Casey used sleeping medication on Caylee because I don't know of ANY two year old that would just go to sleep while everyone is loud and partying

But thats all it is speculation - of course we do it, we can't help it - we have to remember to take it with a grain of salt, thats all

It is definitely in the autopsy report.

ETA It is in the part of the report done by the bone specialist. I think it is the first thing he lists IIRC.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/06/19/6440.6475.pdf

[oswald]

It is definitely in the autopsy report.

Can you point it out for me? I swear I didn't see it - what page??? I will admit, I'm no scientist or doctor and a lot of the autopsy I didn't understand, so maybe I just missed it cause I didn't understand what it said

IF it's important enough, it could come into trial - maybe Caylee had small nasal passages, smaller than most children her age which could have led to a quicker death, etc. Maybe with tissue samples that would be easier to detect, not sure

Like I said I'm no scientist or doctor :) I'm just being a devils advocate here - there is a LOT of stuff being thrown around IF this is true, then yes it's VERY important but no news stations, JVM or NG have never reported on it - THAT is why I'm skeptical - we are all allowed to be skeptical :)

[BettyC]

Can you point it out for me? I swear I didn't see it - what page??? I will admit, I'm no scientist or doctor and a lot of the autopsy I didn't understand, so maybe I just missed it cause I didn't understand what it said

IF it's important enough, it could come into trial - maybe Caylee had small nasal passages, smaller than most children her age which could have led to a quicker death, etc. Maybe with tissue samples that would be easier to detect, not sure

Like I said I'm no scientist or doctor :) I'm just being a devils advocate here - there is a LOT of stuff being thrown around IF this is true, then yes it's VERY important but no news stations, JVM or NG have never reported on it - THAT is why I'm skeptical - we are all allowed to be skeptical :)

Page 19 according to Valhall.

The bones whispered on page 19 of Caylee’s autopsy report. More specifically, midway down the eighth page of the Report of Osteological Analysis.

The posterior half of the sagittal suture appears to be in the beginning stages of premature synostosis.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=1358

[oswald]

I am glad I am reading this now and not when my daughter was 4-6 months old. I know I would have been reading up on it since they were doing tests to see if that was why her head was growing at a much slower rate.

When looking at the tape of Caylee at the nursing home, I am trying to recall how verbal my son was at that time. I really can't recall very well for that exact age.

You know all kids are different - my oldest daughter didn't talk until she was 2 1/2 - she said a few words (which were most italian cause we lived in Italy the first year and a half of her life), but mostly grunted or babbled - I seriously thought something was wrong - but I guess she had nothing to say that was important until then becasue she was fine

My youngest daughter I swear was talking the day she was born - she babbled endlessly and was talking in sentences by the time she was a year

I was told by a doctor, about my oldest, that sometimes if you don't talk to your children, not like a dog saying one word, like up or want - but talk to them like you would a person your age, then they don't pick up sounds and words as quickly - I do remember, as a new mother, I didn't know - I dind't talk to my oldest that way - BUT as a single mother by the time my second daughter was born, I talked to the kids all the time

Maybe Caylee wasn't talked to - she sure wasn't in a pre-school or day care where this would have been developed - maybe thats when my oldest started talking, I had her in a home daycare environment and she started stringing words together

[oswald]

Page 19 according to Valhall.

The bones whispered on page 19 of Caylee’s autopsy report. More specifically, midway down the eighth page of the Report of Osteological Analysis.

The posterior half of the sagittal suture appears to be in the beginning stages of premature synostosis.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=1358

Thanks Betty - like I said I'm no doctor or scientist - I'm sure I read it but don't understand it so it went right over my head but looking it up, Caylee had a cleft palate of the skull? Does that happen with no pre-natal care? Lack of vitamins for development? Was Casey drinking or getting high when pregnant?

Okay, I'm editing again :) - and looking it up I found: Most cases are evident during the neonatal period - SO it leads me to believe that because of no neonatal care, lacking of vitamins and nutrients, this happened - as well as other things that could have been going on also - it's from denial and stupidity

I still take the hinkymeter with a grain of salt tho :) I'm allowed

[puzzler]

Can you point it out for me? I swear I didn't see it - what page??? I will admit, I'm no scientist or doctor and a lot of the autopsy I didn't understand, so maybe I just missed it cause I didn't understand what it said

IF it's important enough, it could come into trial - maybe Caylee had small nasal passages, smaller than most children her age which could have led to a quicker death, etc. Maybe with tissue samples that would be easier to detect, not sure

Like I said I'm no scientist or doctor :) I'm just being a devils advocate here - there is a LOT of stuff being thrown around IF this is true, then yes it's VERY important but no news stations, JVM or NG have never reported on it - THAT is why I'm skeptical - we are all allowed to be skeptical :)


Betty beat me to it. But here's the link to the autopsy report.
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/06/19/6440.6475.pdf

[Scampi]

Can you point it out for me? I swear I didn't see it - what page??? I will admit, I'm no scientist or doctor and a lot of the autopsy I didn't understand, so maybe I just missed it cause I didn't understand what it said

IF it's important enough, it could come into trial - maybe Caylee had small nasal passages, smaller than most children her age which could have led to a quicker death, etc. Maybe with tissue samples that would be easier to detect, not sure

Like I said I'm no scientist or doctor :) I'm just being a devils advocate here - there is a LOT of stuff being thrown around IF this is true, then yes it's VERY important but no news stations, JVM or NG have never reported on it - THAT is why I'm skeptical - we are all allowed to be skeptical :)

Did you go to the Hinky site and read? She clearly says exactly where this was found in the autopsy report. It was one sentence.
On page 19 of the Autopsy Report. More specifically, midway down the eighth page of the Report of Osteological Analysis.

"The posterior half of the sagittal suture appears to be in the beginning stages of premature synostosis."

I believe the prosecution will bring this into evidence and allow the jurors to decide the cause.

[BettyC]

Thanks Betty - like I said I'm no doctor or scientist - I'm sure I read it but don't understand it so it went right over my head

I still take the hinkymeter with a grain of salt tho :) I'm allowed

Oh oswald this is waaaaay over my head too but Valhall is one of the few who I really do respect. (Yes you're sure allowed :) )

[SayWhen]

Thanks Betty - like I said I'm no doctor or scientist - I'm sure I read it but don't understand it so it went right over my head but looking it up, Caylee had a cleft palate of the skull? Does that happen with no pre-natal care? Lack of vitamins for development? Was Casey drinking or getting high when pregnant?

I still take the hinkymeter with a grain of salt tho :) I'm allowed

:confused: Let me see if I understand this. You didn't comprehend the autopsy report when you read it and/or you entirely missed the part about the skull abnormality, you didn't read the entry at the hinkymeter which we've been discussing all weekend, and you're no doctor or scientist, BUT ... you don't trust anything you've read here on the subject (to such an extent you need the actual page and paragraph from the autopsy report pointed out to you), you take the hinkymeter with a grain of salt (even though you haven't read it), and yet you feel qualified to act as devil's advocate?

Am I following you? :shrug:

[no1what]

:confused: Let me see if I understand this. You didn't comprehend the autopsy report when you read it and/or you entirely missed the part about the skull abnormality, you didn't read the entry at the hinkymeter which we've been discussing all weekend, and you're no doctor or scientist, BUT ... you don't trust anything you've read here on the subject (to such an extent you need the actual page and paragraph from the autopsy report pointed out to you), you take the hinkymeter with a grain of salt (even though you haven't read it), and yet you feel qualified to act as devil's advocate?

Am I following you? :shrug:



lol! :thumbsup:

[puzzler]

Did you go to the Hinky site and read? She clearly says exactly where this was found in the autopsy report. It was one sentence.
On page 19 of the Autopsy Report. More specifically, midway down the eighth page of the Report of Osteological Analysis.

"The posterior half of the sagittal suture appears to be in the beginning stages of premature synostosis."

I believe the prosecution will bring this into evidence and allow the jurors to decide the cause.

I hope you are right and they are allowed to bring it up. I know that they can't prove how or why it happened, but I, for one, think the doctor is right. It is obvioulsy not pathological, so therefore I believe it was caused from Casey restraining Caylee. It was not caused by placing Caylee in the same sleeping position or carseat when a baby or it would have manifested then in a misshapen head. So, I think it is relevant. JMO

I am clarifying my position on this because I stated I did not think they would be able to use it. I do HOPE they can!

[no1what]

It used to be so easy to hit that "ignore" button now you have to search it out.

[Scampi]

I hope you are right and they are allowed to bring it up. I know that they can't prove how or why it happened, but I, for one, think the doctor is right. It is obvioulsy not pathological, so therefore I believe it was caused from Casey restraining Caylee. It was not caused by placing Caylee in the same sleeping position or carseat when a baby or it would have manifested then in a misshapen head. So, I think it is relevant. JMO

Yep, I picture it happening this way. They will ask Dr. G. to highlight that finding (premature closing of the saggital suture) then
ask what are the causes of it. They may then go on and ask her in light of ALL THE EVIDENCE IN THIS CASE, is it possible that abuse by the defendant was the cause, and of course the answer will be yes, it's possible.

Then the defense will counter attack that Dr. G. can't be 100% sure and she will have to agree with that. But, it will get before the jury in that manner, because it is a factual finding of the autopsy. IMO.

[trich]

Thanks Betty - like I said I'm no doctor or scientist - I'm sure I read it but don't understand it so it went right over my head but looking it up, Caylee had a cleft palate of the skull? Does that happen with no pre-natal care? Lack of vitamins for development? Was Casey drinking or getting high when pregnant?

Okay, I'm editing again :) - and looking it up I found: Most cases are evident during the neonatal period - SO it leads me to believe that because of no neonatal care, lacking of vitamins and nutrients, this happened - as well as other things that could have been going on also - it's from denial and stupidity

I still take the hinkymeter with a grain of salt tho :) I'm allowed



Considering no one admitted that Casey was pregnant until around 7 months it is obvious she did not have any prenatal care.
Not to mention if she was drinking and goodness knows what else.

[puzzler]

Yep, I picture it happening this way. They will ask Dr. G. to highlight that finding (premature closing of the saggital suture) then
ask what are the causes of it. They may then go on and ask her in light of ALL THE EVIDENCE IN THIS CASE, is it possible that abuse by the defendant was the cause, and of course the answer will be yes, it's possible.

Then the defense will counter attack that Dr. G. can't be 100% sure and she will have to agree with that. But, it will get before the jury in that manner, because it is a factual finding of the autopsy. IMO.

Sounds good to me!!!

[KatieLady]

Considering no one admitted that Casey was pregnant until around 7 months it is obvious she did not have any prenatal care.
Not to mention if she was drinking and goodness knows what else.

If she was born with this it would have manifested itself as an infant. At least that is my understanding of it.

[puzzler]

If she was born with this it would have manifested itself as an infant. At least that is my understanding of it.

This is my understanding, too. And it said it was "just beginning" LOL not the technical term, but that's what I understood it to mean. JMO

[SayWhen]

If she was born with this it would have manifested itself as an infant. At least that is my understanding of it.

That's exactly why it could be a critical finding. If she wasn't born with the abnormality (and by all accounts she couldn't have been or the signs would've been there), then something caused it later on. The list of things that could've caused it, coupled with other evidence, may point to prior abuse in the form of Caylee being restrained (chemically or otherwise) in a certain position for long periods of time.

This is just not a huge leap for me to imagine. Casey allegedly killed her daughter, allegedly with forethought. A finding of prior abuse will not be my aha! moment during the trial ... that's for certain.

[KatieLady]

That's exactly why it could be a critical finding. If she wasn't born with the abnormality (and by all accounts she couldn't have been or the signs would've been there), then something caused it later on. The list of things that could've caused it, coupled with other evidence, may point to prior abuse in the form of Caylee being restrained (chemically or otherwise) in a certain position for long periods of time.

This is just not a huge leap for me to imagine. Casey allegedly killed her daughter, allegedly with forethought. A finding of prior abuse will not be my aha! moment during the trial ... that's for certain.

BBM
Not for me either Say....

[really3997]

:confused: Let me see if I understand this. You didn't comprehend the autopsy report when you read it and/or you entirely missed the part about the skull abnormality, you didn't read the entry at the hinkymeter which we've been discussing all weekend, and you're no doctor or scientist, BUT ... you don't trust anything you've read here on the subject (to such an extent you need the actual page and paragraph from the autopsy report pointed out to you), you take the hinkymeter with a grain of salt (even though you haven't read it), and yet you feel qualified to act as devil's advocate?

Am I following you? :shrug:

:ohmy: .......

[Kathlb]

You know all kids are different - my oldest daughter didn't talk until she was 2 1/2 - she said a few words (which were most italian cause we lived in Italy the first year and a half of her life), but mostly grunted or babbled - I seriously thought something was wrong - but I guess she had nothing to say that was important until then becasue she was fine

My youngest daughter I swear was talking the day she was born - she babbled endlessly and was talking in sentences by the time she was a year

I was told by a doctor, about my oldest, that sometimes if you don't talk to your children, not like a dog saying one word, like up or want - but talk to them like you would a person your age, then they don't pick up sounds and words as quickly - I do remember, as a new mother, I didn't know - I dind't talk to my oldest that way - BUT as a single mother by the time my second daughter was born, I talked to the kids all the time

Maybe Caylee wasn't talked to - she sure wasn't in a pre-school or day care where this would have been developed - maybe thats when my oldest started talking, I had her in a home daycare environment and she started stringing words together

:biggrin: My eldest son (the one with the highest IQ) talked in a jumble of words that made no sense until he was around 2. Scared me to death since he could repeat each phrase perfectly. :crying: Then one day he just took off on the King's English and I sighed a sigh of relief. :biggrin:

[Kathlb]

Yep, I picture it happening this way. They will ask Dr. G. to highlight that finding (premature closing of the saggital suture) then
ask what are the causes of it. They may then go on and ask her in light of ALL THE EVIDENCE IN THIS CASE, is it possible that abuse by the defendant was the cause, and of course the answer will be yes, it's possible.

Then the defense will counter attack that Dr. G. can't be 100% sure and she will have to agree with that. But, it will get before the jury in that manner, because it is a factual finding of the autopsy. IMO.

That sounds great to me and I'll bet it happens just that way. :thumbup:

[onlykaty]

Thanks Betty - like I said I'm no doctor or scientist - I'm sure I read it but don't understand it so it went right over my head but looking it up, Caylee had a cleft palate of the skull? Does that happen with no pre-natal care? Lack of vitamins for development? Was Casey drinking or getting high when pregnant?

Okay, I'm editing again :) - and looking it up I found: Most cases are evident during the neonatal period - SO it leads me to believe that because of no neonatal care, lacking of vitamins and nutrients, this happened - as well as other things that could have been going on also - it's from denial and stupidity

I still take the hinkymeter with a grain of salt tho :) I'm allowed

Yes, you certainly are allowed your opinion, would be a dull world if we all thought alike...Anyway imo, its a very reliable site, the person is very knowledgable and researches thoroughly. I have a better understanding of some of the documents from reading at her site, but thats just me. There is also some very knowledgable posters here. I appreciate all the imput and have at times changed my thoughts about certain things. I do think Caylee was sedated at times, maybe even restrained so Casey could live the good life. Probably spent a few times in the trunk of her car. Although I would think in the FL heat that couldn't be long periods of time. Yes, Caylee was very much abused by Casey. Now its Casey's turn in the barrell, can't wait..JMO

[SayWhen]

Yes, you certainly are allowed your opinion, would be a dull world if we all thought alike...Anyway imo, its a very reliable site, the person is very knowledgable and researches thoroughly. I have a better understanding of some of the documents from reading at her site, but thats just me. There is also some very knowledgable posters here. I appreciate all the imput and have at times changed my thoughts about certain things. I do think Caylee was sedated at times, maybe even restrained so Casey could live the good life. Probably spent a few times in the trunk of her car. Although I would think in the FL heat that couldn't be long periods of time. Yes, Caylee was very much abused by Casey. Now its Casey's turn in the barrell, can't wait..JMO

It's possible the restraints and the trunk-sitter were fairly recent developments, as in, Casey started doing those kinds of things within months of Caylee's murder. Prior abuse doesn't have to span years, especially when we're talking about a toddler. If Casey started putting Caylee in the trunk, restrained somehow, in say February or March, depending on the time of day, I think it's conceivable it was never hot enough to kill her. I think it's possible she put her elsewhere, too, and left her alone. I've always wondered about that house DCasey was snooping around at. There was a reason he was there. Hopefully we'll learn what his reason was. :sneaky:

[SayWhen]

Yep, I picture it happening this way. They will ask Dr. G. to highlight that finding (premature closing of the saggital suture) then
ask what are the causes of it. They may then go on and ask her in light of ALL THE EVIDENCE IN THIS CASE, is it possible that abuse by the defendant was the cause, and of course the answer will be yes, it's possible.

Then the defense will counter attack that Dr. G. can't be 100% sure and she will have to agree with that. But, it will get before the jury in that manner, because it is a factual finding of the autopsy. IMO.

Now that we're starting to actually run some of this possible back-and-forth at the trial through our heads, I'm having a heck of a time imagining the defense team making coherent responses to the evidence the prosecution brings out. :blink:

I mean, Baez can't exactly think on his feet, and after seeing ALyon last week on the Today Show, it doesn't seem she's too accomplished at it, either. So unless the defense attorneys are now armpit deep in the discovery, along with their own experts, well ... I just can't fathom how they'll be able to argue against the prosecution's evidence at trial.

[oswald]

It's possible the restraints and the trunk-sitter were fairly recent developments, as in, Casey started doing those kinds of things within months of Caylee's murder. Prior abuse doesn't have to span years, especially when we're talking about a toddler. If Casey started putting Caylee in the trunk, restrained somehow, in say February or March, depending on the time of day, I think it's conceivable it was never hot enough to kill her. I think it's possible she put her elsewhere, too, and left her alone. I've always wondered about that house DCasey was snooping around at. There was a reason he was there. Hopefully we'll learn what his reason was. :sneaky:

I wonder too if the trunk was a recent development because friends did comment that they chastised, well don't know if they actually chastised but they told Casey it wasn't cool to bring a baby into a bar and to parties - when friends say that Casey would just go to sleep in the other room - I wonder what 2 yr old would go quietly to sleep when all the activity was happening in the other room - thats why I think that maybe sedation started then so Casey could hang out with friends and party when her parents wouldn't or couldn't take care of Caylee

And yes I have my opinions, if you don't agree with them (in your prior reply) then either put me on ignore or just remember that everyone has their own opinion and should be taken as that - a simple opinion

[Katprint]

Can you point it out for me? I swear I didn't see it - what page??? I will admit, I'm no scientist or doctor and a lot of the autopsy I didn't understand, so maybe I just missed it cause I didn't understand what it said

IF it's important enough, it could come into trial - maybe Caylee had small nasal passages, smaller than most children her age which could have led to a quicker death, etc. Maybe with tissue samples that would be easier to detect, not sure

Like I said I'm no scientist or doctor :) I'm just being a devils advocate here - there is a LOT of stuff being thrown around IF this is true, then yes it's VERY important but no news stations, JVM or NG have never reported on it - THAT is why I'm skeptical - we are all allowed to be skeptical :)

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/06/19/6440.6475.pdf

On handwritten-numbered page 6458 of this autopsy report link (19 / 36) which is page 8 of 13 of the Skeletal Analysis report, the last sentence of the paragraph titled "ANTEMORTEM TRAUMA AND PATHOLOGY" states "The posterior half of the sagittal suture appears to be in the beginning stages of premature synostosis." The "premature synostosis" is the condition everyone is talking about as possibly being caused by abuse/neglect if Casey was physically restrained/chemically incapacitated and forced to lie on her back for prolonged periods of time. (Personally, I see the carseat as a the most likely restraint mechanism, not duct tape or chloroform, but that is mere speculation on my part.)

Hope that helps!

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[onlykaty]

It's possible the restraints and the trunk-sitter were fairly recent developments, as in, Casey started doing those kinds of things within months of Caylee's murder. Prior abuse doesn't have to span years, especially when we're talking about a toddler. If Casey started putting Caylee in the trunk, restrained somehow, in say February or March, depending on the time of day, I think it's conceivable it was never hot enough to kill her. I think it's possible she put her elsewhere, too, and left her alone. I've always wondered about that house DCasey was snooping around at. There was a reason he was there. Hopefully we'll learn what his reason was. :sneaky:


I would like to know what Casey did with Caylee when she left Ricardo's sometime in the early morning hrs and came back without Caylee. I can't imagine a excuse she could make up that would have allowed her to leave go back there if she had taken Caylee to G & C's. :scared:

Was this a house close to the woods, you are referring to. I must of missed this..:scared:

[oswald]

And considering the trunk as the babysitter - this was during late spring/early summer - wouldn't that car be stifling? I guess like an animal she cracked the windows - the trunk - was it sealed off from the car or had the space open between the back seat and trunk???

I'm just thinking of the heat - that would be unbearable for anyone no matter the age

[oswald]

Thanks Kat, someone pointed me in that direction already always good to get more docs to read :)

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/06/19/6440.6475.pdf

On handwritten-numbered page 6458 of this autopsy report link (19 / 36) which is page 8 of 13 of the Skeletal Analysis report, the last sentence of the paragraph titled "ANTEMORTEM TRAUMA AND PATHOLOGY" states "The posterior half of the sagittal suture appears to be in the beginning stages of premature synostosis." The "premature synostosis" is the condition everyone is talking about as possibly being caused by abuse/neglect if Casey was physically restrained/chemically incapacitated and forced to lie on her back for prolonged periods of time. (Personally, I see the carseat as a the most likely restraint mechanism, not duct tape or chloroform, but that is mere speculation on my part.)

Hope that helps!

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[SayWhen]

I would like to know what Casey did with Caylee when she left Ricardo's sometime in the early morning hrs and came back without Caylee. I can't imagine a excuse she could make up that would have allowed her to leave go back there if she had taken Caylee to G & C's. :scared:

Was this a house close to the woods, you are referring to. I must of missed this..:scared:

I don't recall exactly where the house was, but DCasey went there right around the time he went looking in the swamp for a "dead Caylee," which was a month before her remains were found. It was a vacant, abandoned house.

I'm sure it's not probable, but I would love to see the prosecution put up a timeline of where Caylee was and who she was with daily for a few months prior to her murder. I suspect there were multiple times when Caylee was not with Casey and also not with G&C.

[Katprint]

While I was looking around at documents, I saw the evidence photo of the Universal Studios nametag that Casey apparently stole from "Chris" somebody then put on her own purse. (Ninth photo down)

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2010/01/color-pic-of-shorts-caylee-anthony-was-wearing-when-murdered/

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[oswald]

I don't know if the State will go months back, prior to that 31 days - the only way they can do that is from texts and what friends have said when Caylee was at parties when Casey said she was working and such - we can't rely on the A's because their stories change constantly, who knows what days they watched Caylee

I can see the state showing a month or so before the 31 days to make it clear there was no Zanny

I guess the state can show all the things Casey was doing, the texts, what friends say - and then asking the jury, where was Caylee? Who was watching Caylee? If no one can answer that then the defense will have to prove there was a Zanny or sitter - and yet we haven't seen anyone other than the A's

Does anyone remember if friends, Amy, Ricardo, etc. said they watched Caylee at any time? Because from what I remember, they didn't see Caylee all that much

[charmin 66]

While I was looking around at documents, I saw the evidence photo of the Universal Studios nametag that Casey apparently stole from "Chris" somebody then put on her own purse. (Ninth photo down)

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2010/01/color-pic-of-shorts-caylee-anthony-was-wearing-when-murdered/

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Thanks Kat,

I'm wondering about the 8th photo, the front seat of the car. Is that a laundry basket?

[spydernweb2006]

While I was looking around at documents, I saw the evidence photo of the Universal Studios nametag that Casey apparently stole from "Chris" somebody then put on her own purse. (Ninth photo down)

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2010/01/color-pic-of-shorts-caylee-anthony-was-wearing-when-murdered/

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I was wondering about that nametag too......

JMHO

hugs,
Spyder

[oswald]

Jesse babysat Caylee for quite awhile.

The Prosecution will attempt to show a year & a half before Casey murdered Caylee.

Simply because Casey stated 'Zanny' had been her nanny for that amount of time or longer.

Could be - Jesse and the Grunds only babysat Caylee when she was an infant - then Casey went to a friend who babysat for free when Casey said she was working for Sports Authority, then that friend found out that Casey lied to her about working and stopped babysitting for Caylee - THEN I think it was only the A's who babysat - I would think 8 mos to when she died?

Didn't Casey say that Zanny was her sitter for about 2 years?

[Katprint]

Thanks Kat,

I'm wondering about the 8th photo, the front seat of the car. Is that a laundry basket?
I don't see a laundry basket. Do you mean on the driver's side? The car door is open, and the white exterior shows a rectangular shape outlining the black interior of the door.

Besides, the Anthonys didn't use laundry baskets. All available evidence suggests they used canvas hampers. IIRC the report(s) concerning the hamper in which Caylee's remains were found indicated that the hamper matched other hampers in the Anthony residence and could be purchased at Target or JC Penneys (I forget which.)

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Kathlb]

Now that we're starting to actually run some of this possible back-and-forth at the trial through our heads, I'm having a heck of a time imagining the defense team making coherent responses to the evidence the prosecution brings out. :blink:

I mean, Baez can't exactly think on his feet, and after seeing ALyon last week on the Today Show, it doesn't seem she's too accomplished at it, either. So unless the defense attorneys are now armpit deep in the discovery, along with their own experts, well ... I just can't fathom how they'll be able to argue against the prosecution's evidence at trial.

I'm in full agreement here. A Lyons has driven herself right into a corner and I knew she would. I posted about that when she joined the team about her not playing well in the south with that Chicago forward thrust. Since then, she has proven even earlier than I thought and to a wider audience than I thought that she is crude and not going to be able to do this group any good at all.

Her audio tapes being released to the public will have a horrible effect on her credibility. Most adult women down here do not include those words in every day conversation and most adult men won't appreciate the so-called High priced lawyer saying them either. It just goes to show her personality and her utter disdain for a jury and even her client. Baez definitely can't think on his feet and when he has the time can't even write a coherent motion for the judge. LKB's shouting and voice alone will find the jurors turning her off. It's happened before. Lee won't appear I am sure because he knows his credibility will be shot when the prosecution brings up what he did in the Spector trial. That leaves a very few to haul the load and it won't work. Too much evidence is on the state's side. JMHO

[KatieLady]

I was wondering about that nametag too......

JMHO

hugs,
Spyder

I have a friend who went to work for Disneyland. Her name starts with a D (an unusual name) the only name tag they had that was anywhere close to her name was Dusty.....so she was Dusty for 10 years at D-Land.

Casey probably told her parents something like that...they didn't have Casey so they gave me Chris IMO

[oswald]

Thanks Kat,

I'm wondering about the 8th photo, the front seat of the car. Is that a laundry basket?

I don't see a laundry basket - there is something laying in the front seat but I can't see what it is - the car seat is nice, more like a toddler seat, I wish I had something like that for my kids when they were toddlers

I thought the shoes were taken by Cindy? Or were those the boots, there were two sets of shoes in the back??? With dress pants (which Cindy washed)

[charmin 66]

I don't see a laundry basket. Do you mean on the driver's side? The car door is open, and the white exterior shows a rectangular shape outlining the black interior of the door.

Besides, the Anthonys didn't use laundry baskets. All available evidence suggests they used canvas hampers. IIRC the report(s) concerning the hamper in which Caylee's remains were found indicated that the hamper matched other hampers in the Anthony residence and could be purchased at Target or JC Penneys (I forget which.)

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

:blushing: I need my glasses! :lol:

[oswald]

Holly Gagne (spelling?) claimed to babysit for Caylee too.

Lauren (can't remember last name) is the person who stopped babysitting when she found out Casey lied about working.

Casey did indeed claim 'Zanny' was Caylee's nanny for, I think, a year & a half to two years.

Thanks - gotta keep the cast of characters straight LOL

[jammies]

I would like to know what Casey did with Caylee when she left Ricardo's sometime in the early morning hrs and came back without Caylee. I can't imagine a excuse she could make up that would have allowed her to leave go back there if she had taken Caylee to G & C's. :scared:

Was this a house close to the woods, you are referring to. I must of missed this..:scared:


Didn't we find out that Cindy never called her that night demanding Caylee? If so, then why did Casey feel the need to make up that story then remove Caylee? (yes..and WHERE did she take her?)

[trich]

If she was born with this it would have manifested itself as an infant. At least that is my understanding of it.

Yes the way I read it ..she was not born with it but it developed because of spending so much time on her back with her head in undesireable position.
If this is brought up by prosecution and defense wants to try and claim she was born that way ...I think the prosecution should be able to still claim she abused Caylee by not getting the proper prenatal care for at least 7 months , until the time she finally admitted being pregnant.
But I believe if I was on the jury and what we read was presented at trial I would certainly believe that poor Caylee spent alot of time in the tunk of that car before she died.

[Kathlb]

Didn't we find out that Cindy never called her that night demanding Caylee? If so, then why did Casey feel the need to make up that story then remove Caylee? (yes..and WHERE did she take her?)

Another colossal guess here...:biggrin: Since no one even alludes to that including Cindy who denies it. (I believe her this time) :-) I would say that Casey took her to the car and chemically restrained her and came back to bed in hopes of having sex. (Just guessing but it seems to follow along with what she is famous for doing at this point)

[oswald]

Yes the way I read it ..she was not born with it but it developed because of spending so much time on her back with her head in undesireable position.
If this is brought up by prosecution and defense wants to try and claim she was born that way ...I think the prosecution should be able to still claim she abused Caylee by not getting the proper prenatal care for at least 7 months , until the time she finally admitted being pregnant.
But I believe if I was on the jury and what we read was presented at trial I would certainly believe that poor Caylee spent alot of time in the tunk of that car before she died.

Well you can't prove abuse for not seeking pre natal care - I dind't know I was pregnant until I was six months - I thought it was something else, going through a divorce, getting out of the military, not having a job, being a single parent, etc.

Now with Casey, Cindy should have known - heck what kind of nurse was Cindy anyways???? LOL Casey I'm 99% sure she knew she was pregnant

[AnnieKins]

I would have followed it as well, but I think I would have done like I do with other cases after remains have been found....check every now and then for updates and follow the trial. I don't think I have ever followed a case this closely from start to finish.

:seeya: Morning all!

I'm with you, kakax... it it weren't for George and Cindy, I wouldn't be so hooked on this case. Their antics are just unbelievable, and you never know what is going to happen next with those two.

[SayWhen]

Didn't we find out that Cindy never called her that night demanding Caylee? If so, then why did Casey feel the need to make up that story then remove Caylee? (yes..and WHERE did she take her?)

We don't know for sure how it all went down, jammies, only that according to Ricardo, Caylee was there when they went to bed, and gone when he woke up. The story Casey gave him was that Cindy had called demanding she bring Caylee home. Cindy denies making the call. So we've got the opposing stories of two liars, which means we ain't got much, lol.

Imo, Cindy didn't call that particular time, and the reason Casey took Caylee elsewhere was to be alone with Ricardo in the AM, if you get my drift. :wink: barf

Or, she might've been concerned Ricardo was starting to love Caylee more than her, and that's why she removed her from the apartment. That was early in the year, IIRC, in the middle of the night, so I'm thinking trunk-sitter on that particular occasion.

[oswald]

Do you think that Lyons is too abrasive for Florida court rooms? it seems a lot different from where she practices normally - I hadn't read or not but does Lyons travel the country to work on DP cases? Or is she only in her home state? That could make a difference, don't you think?

Kathlb, on behalf of us Northern women, we don't speak like Andrea Lyons does, and we don't use those words either, and Northern men don't like Northern women to talk like a longshoreman LOL, it's just not done here, either, I know you know that.

I've lived in the Chicago area all my life and I've never met any woman like Andrea Lyons, and I've worked at the university level, teaching. She's one of a kind.

She's an advocate who's forgotten that as an advocate her job is to convince people to come to HER conclusion, to agree with her -- but her demeanor and behavior and appearance and speech are completely unacceptable to most everyone but another avid rabid advocate.

But you're right: she's not going to do the defense one bit of good. She's an abrasive personality who has no heart, and no theatrics on her part will change my opinion of her. She's shown her hand, theatrics will be seen for what they are: a floor show, just another part of the circus we've been watching for over a year and a half now.

:seeya:

[spydernweb2006]

Well you can't prove abuse for not seeking pre natal care - I dind't know I was pregnant until I was six months - I thought it was something else, going through a divorce, getting out of the military, not having a job, being a single parent, etc.

Now with Casey, Cindy should have known - heck what kind of nurse was Cindy anyways???? LOL Casey I'm 99% sure she knew she was pregnant

Actually in FL you can be charged with child abuse for prenatal issues.

I had my last child in FL and when I went for my 1st prenatal checkup they told me in the State of FL every pregnant Woman is offered a HIV test. IF you decline and your baby is born with HIV you can and will likely be charged with child abuse. I certainly had np taking the test, I knew I had none of the risk factors and did not have HIV. Apparently tho in FL IF you have a medical condition, not just HIV, that can cause harm to the baby/fetus and you do not get care for that and the baby is born with problems related to that issue then you can and will likely be charged with child abuse.

You can also be charged with child abuse if you need a c section to save the babies life and refuse....


JMHO

hugs,
Spyder

[jamom]

Hi all. I asked this a couple of days ago and didn't get any response. A week or so ago we were trying to find the video of the bond hearing where cindy is questioned by the prosection. My computer was down for about week after and I never saw if it was found. Anybody know? TIA

[oswald]

Good to know - I wonder if all the states are like that - if a person doesn't know they are pregnant than that can't apply, well I guess in my case my first appt was at the end of my 6th month, I guess if I refused prenatal care from then it would be an issue

Actually in FL you can be charged with child abuse for prenatal issues.

I had my last child in FL and when I went for my 1st prenatal checkup they told me in the State of FL every pregnant Woman is offered a HIV test. IF you decline and your baby is born with HIV you can and will likely be charged with child abuse. I certainly had np taking the test, I knew I had none of the risk factors and did not have HIV. Apparently tho in FL IF you have a medical condition, not just HIV, that can cause harm to the baby/fetus and you do not get care for that and the baby is born with problems related to that issue then you can and will likely be charged with child abuse.

You can also be charged with child abuse if you need a c section to save the babies life and refuse....


JMHO

hugs,
Spyder