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VC2
01-08-2010, 12:10 PM
I think this was the right decision. When someone is abused, there often is no way they can deal with him awake and kicking, if they are so terrified that he will kill them or worse, i know if i was abused i would wait til he was asleep to as the only safe time to fight back. Not everyone is strong enough to just leave and i think most of us know cases where the husband comes after and kills the women if they do leave, they know it too..and they are already cowed by his terrorizing and abuse. Especially if they have children.

A woman who shot her white supremacist husband while he slept — leading to the discovery of Nazi memorabilia, an arsenal of weapons and bomb-making materials in their home — won't have to go to prison for killing the man she said subjected her and their daughter to years of extreme abuse.

Amber Cummings, 32, was allowed to go free Thursday after being handed a suspended sentence in the death of James Cummings at their house in Belfast.

Cummings used a battered-woman defense, claiming she killed her husband to protect herself and their daughter, who was 9 at the time. Defense lawyer Eric Morse graphically described how James Cummings lived in a sadistic world of darkness and hate where he ridiculed, abused and debased his wife during their decade-long marriage.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,582571,00.html

Firehead11
01-08-2010, 01:33 PM
I think this was the right decision. When someone is abused, there often is no way they can deal with him awake and kicking, if they are so terrified that he will kill them or worse, i know if i was abused i would wait til he was asleep to as the only safe time to fight back. Not everyone is strong enough to just leave and i think most of us know cases where the husband comes after and kills the women if they do leave, they know it too..and they are already cowed by his terrorizing and abuse. Especially if they have children.



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,582571,00.html

This is fine when they can prove that abuse was going on. I just hate to think of anyone using this defense (crying wolf) so that they might get away with murder.

Casecase
01-08-2010, 01:45 PM
I think this was the right decision. When someone is abused, there often is no way they can deal with him awake and kicking, if they are so terrified that he will kill them or worse, i know if i was abused i would wait til he was asleep to as the only safe time to fight back. Not everyone is strong enough to just leave and i think most of us know cases where the husband comes after and kills the women if they do leave, they know it too..and they are already cowed by his terrorizing and abuse. Especially if they have children.



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,582571,00.html


Not quite sure how I feel about this. She obviously had access to a weapon, since she slept with a gun under her pillow. Why could she not have left, taken the gun with her for protection, and called the police on her husband?

The other thing that bothers me is that she said her husband was mentally ill and she didn't want people to be angry with him. Did she try to get him help for his mental illness? Maybe he could have been held on an involuntary psychiatric hold and she could have gotten away then.

I'm also wondering why her first thought would have been to kill herself? If her first concern was for her daughter, and that he was going to start molesting her, killing herself would have never been an option.

On the other hand, he sounds like a scary guy and maybe there was a breaking point, she was terrified, not thinking clearly and couldn't live like this anymore.


IMO

VC2
01-08-2010, 03:09 PM
This is fine when they can prove that abuse was going on. I just hate to think of anyone using this defense (crying wolf) so that they might get away with murder.

It is alot like rape used to be. Unless you could prove it with a witness (or obvious beating at the same time) rapists went free. now we believe the woman. Does it mean all rape charges are real? no. Hopefully those that are not will be discovered from comments made by the woman to friends or the situation.

In the case of abuse, unless its a case like this where the woman was very lucky that it was a man who clearly was evil imo in ways that had nothing to do with abusing her (kkk, bomb making, arsenal etc) , it is hard to prove years of abuse if its done behind closed doors but at the same time, the idea of it only being battered womans syndrome when they kill the man while he is abusing her is really nuts to me. The physical and psychological power of the abuser makes it more likely she gets killed instead. I cannot really conceive of a woman doing it when he is awake unless she gets lucky. The terror of abuse, the psychological toll it takes on women and their self esteem makes it normal they would choose when he is asleep to take the chance. Most battered women believe their husbands when they say if you leave i will find and kill you and/or the kids.and rightly so in many cases.

I don't advocate using killing as the solution at all, but i completely understand how and why some do it. A complete sense of helplessness and despair that anything else will work.

Details
01-08-2010, 03:18 PM
Given proof - I can see this type of verdict. This guy sounds more than crazy enough to chase her down if she ran - and have some buddies to help him.

But - ONLY given proof of abuse. Anything mild enough not to leave very visible marks (patterns of broken bones, ER visits, police reports, neighbor reports, etc.) is not bad enough to justify murder.

Even so - obviously they should simply leave. But I can understand, within that situation, believing that there really was NO choice remaining. Only in the most extreme situations, should it result in a verdict like this - and this seems to be one of those situations.

fastpitch
01-08-2010, 03:20 PM
I am all for her.

What people don't seem to understand is that abused women and kidnapped children cannot leave, even when the opportunity arises.

Details
01-08-2010, 03:24 PM
Not quite sure how I feel about this. She obviously had access to a weapon, since she slept with a gun under her pillow. Why could she not have left, taken the gun with her for protection, and called the police on her husband?Likely because he'd have told her, over and over again, how he'd find her and kill her if she ever did that. And more than enough husbands and boyfriends of this type do so - restraining orders and all you can do may not be enough to stop it. With milder cases - it's a threat they never carry through on. With others - they do.The other thing that bothers me is that she said her husband was mentally ill and she didn't want people to be angry with him. Did she try to get him help for his mental illness? Maybe he could have been held on an involuntary psychiatric hold and she could have gotten away then. The rules are so unbelievably strict - there's almost zero chance she could get him help if he wasn't ready to go for it - heck, not much help available even IF he was willing to go for it. For involuntary - you need a documented threat (not just you saying he said something) to kill himself or others, with an immediate timeframe, immediate threat. It's NOT easy.

Details
01-08-2010, 03:28 PM
I am all for her.

What people don't seem to understand is that abused women and kidnapped children cannot leave, even when the opportunity arises.True in some cases. But in a great many cases, even with abuse, the woman can leave. It happens all the time. For most of them - a bunch of trouble and threats - and it works out. The cases where it goes to murder are relatively rare. Far too common - but still, most men who abuse and make those threats are not going to go through with it - if only because they fear being caught.

I acted as a bodyguard on one such case for a friend - they wanted one more person, to drive the car, keep an eye out, be ready to call the police or step in to whatever degree I could (not that I'm all that strong - but an extra pair of younger arms would do some good). She was abused, no question. He threatened. But in the end - he DID nothing once she was out, but threaten.

And there is the occasional but real case where abuse is alleged as the reason - but really, they just wanted to kill the guy. I don't see that at all in this case - but I have in others. Betty Broderick, the preacher's wife, etc.

GentleBreeze
01-08-2010, 03:51 PM
Millions of women and children have left their abusers and lived to tell about it.

I believe they cut this woman loose because her husband happened to be a vile disgusting white supremacist. One of those cases where the victim wasn't worth two plug nickels anyway, imo.

She had to know his beliefs though when she married him.

imo

Marcia3
01-08-2010, 04:41 PM
Millions of women and children have left their abusers and lived to tell about it.

I believe they cut this woman loose because her husband happened to be a vile disgusting white supremacist. One of those cases where the victim wasn't worth two plug nickels anyway, imo.

She had to know his beliefs though when she married him.

imo

This seems like a case of "the guy needed shooting" so they let her go, giving her the benefit of any doubt.

I probably wouldn't object to the decision if it weren't for Mary Winkler. That whole situation has left me with a bad taste in my mouth and colors my opinion on any case where spousal/partner abuse is claimed.

JMO

Details
01-08-2010, 04:43 PM
This seems like a case of "the guy needed shooting" so they let her go, giving her the benefit of any doubt.

I probably wouldn't object to the decision if it weren't for Mary Winkler. That whole situation has left me with a bad taste in my mouth and colors my opinion on any case where spousal/partner abuse is claimed.

JMOThat's why I say there needs to be proof. If we aren't talking serious physical damage, some paper trail of some kind - it's not enough to justify murder.

Mamie
01-08-2010, 04:55 PM
I am all for her.

What people don't seem to understand is that abused women and kidnapped children cannot leave, even when the opportunity arises.


I agree with you. And until we've walked a mile in the woman's shoes, here, I believe she thought about her options and decided running away from him wasn't going to be enough----he'd find her and then the price she and her daughter would pay would be much worse.
I think the right decision was made in this case. JMO

aubrey04
01-08-2010, 08:33 PM
This seems like a case of "the guy needed shooting" so they let her go, giving her the benefit of any doubt.

I probably wouldn't object to the decision if it weren't for Mary Winkler. That whole situation has left me with a bad taste in my mouth and colors my opinion on any case where spousal/partner abuse is claimed.

JMO

Amen on that. I totally agree - the Mary Winkler debacle still puzzles me... It sounds like the guy was so vile that they may have felt she did the world a favor. Not sure how I feel in this instance :shrug: , but respect the decision..

Hopefully she goes on to live a law-abiding life and makes better choices in her bedmates.

imo

GentleBreeze
01-08-2010, 08:54 PM
This seems like a case of "the guy needed shooting" so they let her go, giving her the benefit of any doubt.

I probably wouldn't object to the decision if it weren't for Mary Winkler. That whole situation has left me with a bad taste in my mouth and colors my opinion on any case where spousal/partner abuse is claimed.

JMO

Hi Marcia!

I agree.

Mary Winkler certainly left a bad taste in my mouth too. It sickens me to this day about the injustices in that case.

If claims can be substantiated with evidence that is one thing but for it to be merely allegations never proved and used as a ploy by defendants and attorneys then that is shameful, imo.

Imo, the reason this woman got off scott free is because her husband was so vile and disgusting.

However I have very little sympathy for her for she had to have the same viewpoint as her white supremacist husband when they married. That is disgusting to me too.

imo

birdwatch
01-08-2010, 09:21 PM
Hi Marcia!

I agree.

Mary Winkler certainly left a bad taste in my mouth too. It sickens me to this day about the injustices in that case.

If claims can be substantiated with evidence that is one thing but for it to be merely allegations never proved and used as a ploy by defendants and attorneys then that is shameful, imo.

Imo, the reason this woman got off scott free is because her husband was so vile and disgusting.

However I have very little sympathy for her for she had to have the same viewpoint as her white supremacist husband when they married. That is disgusting to me too.

imo Was that clear? His ideas could have developed over the decade of their marriage. You marry a guy and he slowly but surely becomes someone else over time - scaring you to death. It happens.

VC2
01-08-2010, 09:49 PM
Was that clear? His ideas could have developed over the decade of their marriage. You marry a guy and he slowly but surely becomes someone else over time - scaring you to death. It happens.

happens a lot. Actually happens in many cases of spousal abuse, the man is a loving and great bf/fiance until they marry and he "owns" her.

Other times he hides his socially unacceptable beliefs pretty well..maybe an off color or inappropriate joke here and there, that the woman puts them down to a drink to many or just being silly. Obviously once married and living together they can't be hidden.

And like you said, sometimes someone gets worse and worse.

Her mental illness comment imo has a lot more to do with her daughter and also her own need to believe that it was an illness rather than evil. It is hard to think you loved an evil person ever. Let alone want your child to think her dad is

Casecase
01-08-2010, 09:58 PM
happens a lot. Actually happens in many cases of spousal abuse, the man is a loving and great bf/fiance until they marry and he "owns" her.

Other times he hides his socially unacceptable beliefs pretty well..maybe an off color or inappropriate joke here and there, that the woman puts them down to a drink to many or just being silly. Obviously once married and living together they can't be hidden.

And like you said, sometimes someone gets worse and worse.

Her mental illness comment imo has a lot more to do with her daughter and also her own need to believe that it was an illness rather than evil. It is hard to think you loved an evil person ever. Let alone want your child to think her dad is


I don't know . . . shooting a mentally ill person sounds much worse than shooting an evil person.


IMO

Casecase
01-08-2010, 09:59 PM
This seems like a case of "the guy needed shooting" so they let her go, giving her the benefit of any doubt.

I probably wouldn't object to the decision if it weren't for Mary Winkler. That whole situation has left me with a bad taste in my mouth and colors my opinion on any case where spousal/partner abuse is claimed.

JMO

Yeah, that's pretty much how I feel, too.


IMO

withay
01-09-2010, 03:56 AM
I agree with you. And until we've walked a mile in the woman's shoes, here, I believe she thought about her options and decided running away from him wasn't going to be enough----he'd find her and then the price she and her daughter would pay would be much worse.
I think the right decision was made in this case. JMO

It has been proven, over and over, that the most dangerous time for an abused woman is when/if she leaves. There is something about her actually leaving that sets something off in these men. I learned this when I worked for Family and Children's Services and my cousin was the investigater for the DA for abuse cases. I have no links, just a career's worth of knowlege. My cousin and our co-workers were also often threatened because we helped the women. Cousin was also followed home and a man was caught trying to break into her house with weapons. He apparently thought she was the reason his wife had left!
I also think the right decision was made in this case but also agree that plenty of evidence is needed. As usual, this is something that some people will take advantage of.

GentleBreeze
01-09-2010, 07:53 AM
Was that clear? His ideas could have developed over the decade of their marriage. You marry a guy and he slowly but surely becomes someone else over time - scaring you to death. It happens.

I really don't think a person so racist and filled with hatred just starts being what they are.

Her lawyer said this had gone on for the entire 10 year marriage.

Here is a very interesting article on James Cummings. Seems he had quite a bit of money.

http://www.armscontrolwonk.com/2209/white-supremicist-trust-fund-dirty-bomber

Cummings grew up in California and lived in Texas before moving to Maine in August 2007. Although Robbins said Cummings told him he made his money in Texas real estate, it appears that the actual source of his wealth was a trust fund established by his father, a prominent landowner in the Northern California city of Fort Bragg. An Internet search of the James B. Cummings Trust indicated that it has an annual income of $10 million.

imo

GentleBreeze
01-09-2010, 07:56 AM
(Source comments: Amber ((Cummings)) admitted to the shooting death of her husband James Cummings citing years of mental, physical, and sexual abuse. Amber Cummings retained legal counsel upon being questioned by law enforcement about any involvement with white supremacists. James Cummings was reported to have inherited two million dollars and to have resided in multiple states prior to relocating to Maine.)

http://www.unattributable.com/2009/01/after-death-of-anti-obama-white-supremacist-fbi-seized-dirty-bomb-components/

nc1948
01-09-2010, 05:24 PM
I don't know . . . shooting a mentally ill person sounds much worse than shooting an evil person.


IMO

I am curious, was there life insurance, and if yes, can she collect?

I am sorry, but I cannot understand the "I am a weak, abused,afraid women who would rather kill than leave" defense.

Since it was okay to kill him because he was evil will she also get his estate?

R~O~S
01-09-2010, 05:34 PM
I am curious, was there life insurance, and if yes, can she collect?

I am sorry, but I cannot understand the "I am a weak, abused,afraid women who would rather kill than leave" defense.

Since it was okay to kill him because he was evil will she also get his estate?

No, you cannot collect the insurance if you actually kill the insured (I'm not talking about death by accident, like a car accident).

It will be awarded either to a contingent beneficiary if one was named or his child, who won't be paid until she's 18.

If it's awarded to the child, she'll be a trustee of the insurance company, the benefit paid will be put on account at interest until she is 18.

What exactly was the charge she plead guilty to? That will determine if she can inherit his estate.

Details
01-09-2010, 05:34 PM
I am curious, was there life insurance, and if yes, can she collect?

I am sorry, but I cannot understand the "I am a weak, abused,afraid women who would rather kill than leave" defense.

Since it was okay to kill him because he was evil will she also get his estate?Well - if you want to understand - you should read a few real life stories from abused women.

Imagine you are living with someone - and they hit you and hurt you. They show in their words and actions that they have no compunctions about doing pretty much anything. You live with this day and night. It's unpredictable - sometimes they're good, then they turn awful - and tell you how it is your fault. And they tell you, making it entirely clear, that they WILL FIND YOU if you ever run. Talk about connections to law enforcement, or to other gang members, or other white supremacists, etc. And they will hurt your daughter, and kill her, then hurt you and kill you. And they mean it. And you read the news, and you read the stories where exactly that happens, even with the police, even with pressing charges, even with restraining orders, even with going into a shelter and running to another state.

That's how you understand the abused woman who feels the only way she can leave is to kill him.

Casecase
01-09-2010, 05:41 PM
I am curious, was there life insurance, and if yes, can she collect?

I am sorry, but I cannot understand the "I am a weak, abused,afraid women who would rather kill than leave" defense.

Since it was okay to kill him because he was evil will she also get his estate?

Good question about life insurance. Don't know if she will get the estate, since his death was at her hands, or if their daughter would (which would likely mean she would control it).

I would be more inclined to go along with the defense, had she not been sleeping with a gun under her pillow. Seems like if he really wanted to hold her under his thumb, he would have taken away her access to it.

And again, I don't understand why her first thought would have been to kill herself . . . if she was afraid for her daughter, how could she have entertained that idea even for a second??

IMO

nc1948
01-09-2010, 06:08 PM
Well - if you want to understand - you should read a few real life stories from abused women.

Imagine you are living with someone - and they hit you and hurt you. They show in their words and actions that they have no compunctions about doing pretty much anything. You live with this day and night. It's unpredictable - sometimes they're good, then they turn awful - and tell you how it is your fault. And they tell you, making it entirely clear, that they WILL FIND YOU if you ever run. Talk about connections to law enforcement, or to other gang members, or other white supremacists, etc. And they will hurt your daughter, and kill her, then hurt you and kill you. And they mean it. And you read the news, and you read the stories where exactly that happens, even with the police, even with pressing charges, even with restraining orders, even with going into a shelter and running to another state.
That's how you understand the abused woman who feels the only way she can leave is to kill him.

I realize that I am in the minority. I am 61 and have heard and read about abuse. I have even read several books about the mentality. To me it would take a very strong willed women to shoot someone. If a woman is strong enough to kill , I don't know how they are not strong enough to get out. In my young days we did not have shelters, restraining orders or men being put in jail if the laid a hand on a women. I am sorry but I guess I just will not understand. I could do it if someone threatened my children or grandchildren at the moment it happend not later. What bothers me is that so often these women have no record of being abused and normally there is insurance or inheritance.

I noticed the article cited "extreem abuse" but I thought there was no substantiated abuse. Maybe I misunderstood. If this woman and her daughter had been subject to extreme abuse why would she contemplate suicide and leave a child she loves to more extreme abuse.

Silk
01-09-2010, 06:33 PM
Not quite sure how I feel about this. She obviously had access to a weapon, since she slept with a gun under her pillow. Why could she not have left, taken the gun with her for protection, and called the police on her husband?

The other thing that bothers me is that she said her husband was mentally ill and she didn't want people to be angry with him. Did she try to get him help for his mental illness? Maybe he could have been held on an involuntary psychiatric hold and she could have gotten away then.

I'm also wondering why her first thought would have been to kill herself? If her first concern was for her daughter, and that he was going to start molesting her, killing herself would have never been an option.

On the other hand, he sounds like a scary guy and maybe there was a breaking point, she was terrified, not thinking clearly and couldn't live like this anymore.


IMO

Sounds to me like this may have been her only option with what I have read.
I can't imagine trying to get a crazy abusive husband admitted into a facility if he had Psychological problems. Being Psycho he would have had a fit, And...if she would have got the job done he would have really came after her when he was released.

People always say why don't you just leave but I think the woman who are this abused are scared to death to go anywhere for fear that he will indeed find them and kill them. It's kinda like me against you when they get to this.
No, I don't understand about the suicide Idea.

R~O~S
01-09-2010, 06:42 PM
Sounds to me like this may have been her only option with what I have read.
I can't imagine trying to get a crazy abusive husband admitted into a facility if he had Psychological problems. Being Psycho he would have had a fit, And...if she would have got the job done he would have really came after her when he was released.

People always say why don't you just leave but I think the woman who are this abused are scared to death to go anywhere for fear that he will indeed find them and kill them. It's kinda like me against you when they get to this.
No, I don't understand about the suicide Idea.


Given he had a good deal of money, running wasn't really an option. He would have found her, he had the means to hire people just for that purpose & even if he didn't she would have spent the rest of her life expecting he would.

I don't understand all abused women, my sister allowed herself to be beaten for two decades. DSS had to give her a choice, him or the kids before she mustered the courage to have him removed. It's a long story, he nearly killed her and even at that she tried to recant her story from the hospital bed. Keep in mind, I lived right next door to her for a good deal of that time, we have a large close family.

There was a lot of help for her, she spent all her time covering up what was going on. I would have taken the creep out if my daddy didn't beat me to it, had we known.

This girl doesn't sound like she had the same advantages.

Hanalei
01-10-2010, 01:18 AM
I'm glad she killed him he deserved it! My mother was abused by my dad and had to leave in the middle of the night while he was asleep. She slipped a sleeping aid in his tea so he would be knocked out. That day she took half of their savings and left that night and drove all the way to Ca from OR. When he woke up and found out she left he called and left threatening messages on my sister's phone that he was going to kill my mom and she won't be able to hide. So this woman could have been threatened to be killed if she ever left him so she had to kill him to be free.


Not quite sure how I feel about this. She obviously had access to a weapon, since she slept with a gun under her pillow. Why could she not have left, taken the gun with her for protection, and called the police on her husband?

The other thing that bothers me is that she said her husband was mentally ill and she didn't want people to be angry with him. Did she try to get him help for his mental illness? Maybe he could have been held on an involuntary psychiatric hold and she could have gotten away then.

I'm also wondering why her first thought would have been to kill herself? If her first concern was for her daughter, and that he was going to start molesting her, killing herself would have never been an option.

On the other hand, he sounds like a scary guy and maybe there was a breaking point, she was terrified, not thinking clearly and couldn't live like this anymore.


IMO

aubrey04
01-10-2010, 09:58 AM
It does seem like his brutal, violent nature was evident, unlike Mary Winkler's allegations against Matthew. The prosecutor in this case wanted a year in jail for Amber, but was otherwise satisfied with the outcome, it seems. I am fine with the decision, but again -- like others have said.. there has to be some real solid proof of the person's violent tendencies and abuse to justify killing someone while they slept.

Eh, it's a very slippery slope though.. EXTREMELY slippery.

IMO

I want to reiterate that I hope she makes better decisions in her love life in the future. This HAS to be traumatic for her child, but her entire childhood was probably marred by trauma, so sad.... No love loss for the dead man though - he sounds like a real piece of garbage.

Marrigan
01-10-2010, 11:04 AM
Here's an article from the Bangor Daily News. More details.

http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/134260.html

Even after his death he was still a presence in her daughter’s life, she wrote. Cummings recalled her child clutching her hands and saying, “Mom, please promise that you still care about killing all the blacks. If Dad is not here to build the bomb, I will have to do it when I grow up.” She said until the day he died Cummings constantly threatened to kill her and her child.



Yikes.

ladytxlove
01-11-2010, 09:30 AM
I was an abused wife but was able to gain the strength (with help of many people) to get out. But, I can say that for myself, my logic was extremely impaired for many years. I honestly believed that no matter where my daughter and I went or what we did, that he would find us and kill us both. I had been told for many years that I didn't have the "smarts" to live without his "husbandly" guidence. That I was lower than dirt, totally incapable of earning a living, was worth nothing but as a sexual partner, etc. And, like a fool, I believed him!
Yes, I got out. But I totally understand women who can not come to do it. There were times I considered killing him also. But, somehow believed that he would still be able to hurt me, if I did. Or, what if I missed?
But at the end of the day, let's not forget that there are battered men as well as battered women! All abused persons need to get help before taking action themselves, but not all will be able to bring themselves to do that.

Details
01-11-2010, 12:21 PM
I'm glad she killed him he deserved it! My mother was abused by my dad and had to leave in the middle of the night while he was asleep. She slipped a sleeping aid in his tea so he would be knocked out. That day she took half of their savings and left that night and drove all the way to Ca from OR. When he woke up and found out she left he called and left threatening messages on my sister's phone that he was going to kill my mom and she won't be able to hide. So this woman could have been threatened to be killed if she ever left him so she had to kill him to be free.Yeah, that reminds me. Another classic is to threaten to kill the woman's parents, siblings, friends - not everyone can go into hiding. And we've seen that happen with a few crazed killers.

aubrey04
01-11-2010, 01:59 PM
Here's an article from the Bangor Daily News. More details.

http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/134260.html



Yikes.

Wow. I hope the child gets some SERIOUS counseling to try to undo all the brainwashing that racist, hateful "father" littered her with. It might take years to undo the damage he did to her... Amber might have lingering issues about black people too-- from years of hearing her husband rant about it. I am sure they both need treatment.

What a terrible story.. Just glad that the man did not get a chance to kill anyone, like he had (allegedly) planned.

withay
01-12-2010, 01:41 AM
Wow. I hope the child gets some SERIOUS counseling to try to undo all the brainwashing that racist, hateful "father" littered her with. It might take years to undo the damage he did to her... Amber might have lingering issues about black people too-- from years of hearing her husband rant about it. I am sure they both need treatment.

What a terrible story.. Just glad that the man did not get a chance to kill anyone, like he had (allegedly) planned.

The articles linked indicated that both mother and child are in intensive therapy. And her husband claimed to have killed at least 3 people. He had computers filled with all sorts of violent pornography, including child porn. He told her if she did not abort their 2nd child, he would, "cut it out of you, myself". All around, I think the world is a better, safer place for all of us with him gone.

aubrey04
01-12-2010, 08:52 AM
The articles linked indicated that both mother and child are in intensive therapy. And her husband claimed to have killed at least 3 people. He had computers filled with all sorts of violent pornography, including child porn. He told her if she did not abort their 2nd child, he would, "cut it out of you, myself". All around, I think the world is a better, safer place for all of us with him gone.

I bet police are going to see if he was indeed responsible for the deaths of 3 people. I hope it was just all talk, even though - if it was all talk.. it was probably used in an effort to scare and intimidate his wife.. which is sick, as well..

I agree with you.. The man was a terrible person and the world is far better off w/o the likes of people like him.

It is scary that a man like this was among us, but I know there are many more just like him still polluting the country (and world) up.. Much like that Holocaust Museum shooter, James Von Brunn .. Very sick-minded, dangerous, toxic people,imo.