FOX says Tiger should become a Christian

[crocdog1]

Now FOX is getting into the business of telling people what Religion they should pursue.

I guess they forgot that we live in America where we can believe in any Religious faith we choose to.

Heck, Even if we do not believe in any Religion, the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights still give us the right not to do so.

http://blog.windycitywatch.com/2010/01/brit-hume-needs-to-have-his-head.html

[Moondust]

:lol: Why are Christians so egotistical to believe that you have to be a Christian to be forgiven???

[Silk]

Now FOX is getting into the business of telling people what Religion they should pursue.

I guess they forgot that we live in America where we can believe in any Religious faith we choose to.

Heck, Even if we do not believe in any Religion, the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights still give us the right not to do so.

http://blog.windycitywatch.com/2010/01/brit-hume-needs-to-have-his-head.html

FOX needs to become involved in the Christian faith. Clean their back yard up before discussing someone elses.:rolleyes:

[bearwds]

It looks like Hume just ticked off 1.2 billion (conservative count) Buddists in the world.


bear

[JennyM]

He should join a religion that allows men to have multiple wives. Problems solved. :laugh:

[Lavinya]

I saw that. Talk about the height of arrogance. :thumbdown:

[incidentally]

He should join a religion that allows men to have multiple wives. Problems solved. :laugh:


Exactly. It's so much easier to find a religion that matches our behavior then the other way around. If there isn't one that fits, just make it up, find a few followers and apply for a 501c3 tax-exempt.

:biggrin:

[Firehead11]

I don't watch Fox News or any of their programming. Their fair and balance reporting leaves a lot to be desired. It has been that way for years.

[JennyM]

Exactly. It's so much easier to find a religion that matches our behavior then the other way around. If there isn't one that fits, just make it up, find a few followers and apply for a 501c3 tax-exempt.

:biggrin:

Here's a good opinion piece on the subject.

http://buddhism.about.com/b/2010/01/04/lets-forgive-brit-hume.htm

[AJandTam]

He should join a religion that allows men to have multiple wives. Problems solved. :laugh:

Or just not get married at all. That's the solution. IMHO. Who cares what religion he chooses to follow. Not me.

[JennyM]

Or just not get married at all. That's the solution. IMHO. Who cares what religion he chooses to follow. Not me.

If you read the OP's link you'll see that Hume cares.

Didn't Hume's son commit suicide? Most Christian religions believe that's an unforgivable sin, too. He must struggle with his beliefs when he wonders if his son is burning in hell for taking his own life.

[syringa]

It seems misleading and unfair to brand all of FOX news with the opinion of one commentator. Hume has his views and opinions....I doubt if everyone who works at FOX signed on the dotted line that as Hume says, we all agree.

[JennyM]

It seems misleading and unfair to brand all of FOX news with the opinion of one commentator. Hume has his views and opinions....I doubt if everyone who works at FOX signed on the dotted line that as Hume says, we all agree.

Has Fox said they disagree with Hume?

Fox just cares about ratings. They're eating this up IMO.

[pixiejoolz]

It seems misleading and unfair to brand all of FOX news with the opinion of one commentator. Hume has his views and opinions....I doubt if everyone who works at FOX signed on the dotted line that as Hume says, we all agree.

I hope you will let us all know the minute anyone at FOX actually disagrees publicly with Hume.

[syringa]

Has Fox said they disagree with Hume?

Fox just cares about ratings. They're eating this up IMO.

They don't need to. Hume is a commentator who by definition of his job expresses HIS opinions.

[JennyM]

They don't need to. Hume is a commentator who by definition of his job expresses HIS opinions.

His opinions serve FOX well. That's why they hired him. :laugh:

[syringa]

His opinions serve FOX well. That's why they hired him. :laugh:

Maybe you could share your special insight as to why they hired Juan Williams and had him sit on the same opinion panel as Hume.

[ninetoes]

They don't need to. Hume is a commentator who by definition of his job expresses HIS opinions.

Yep, one man, one opinion.

[JennyM]

Maybe you could share your special insight as to why they hired Juan Williams and had him sit on the same opinion panel as Hume.

Why wouldn't they hire him?

Back on topic. Do you agree with Hume that Tiger should become a Christian?

[syringa]

Why wouldn't they hire him?

I don't know. You are the one that seemed to know who serves Fox's purpose (whatever that is).
I have no problem listening to either Hume's or William's opinions.

[JennyM]

I don't know. You are the one that seemed to know who serves Fox's purpose (whatever that is).
I have no problem listening to either Hume's or William's opinions.

Everyone they hire is done so to help their ratings.

Whose opinion do you agree with on this, the topic of the thread?

[syringa]

Why wouldn't they hire him?

Back on topic. Do you agree with Hume that Tiger should become a Christian?

I have no opinion on it. I just think those who claimed that Hume's opinion reflects the whole at FOX was wrong and misleading.

[JennyM]

I have no opinion on it. I just think those who claimed that Hume's opinion reflects the whole at FOX was wrong and misleading.

If you don't care what the commentators have to say, why do you watch them?

I agree with you that the title of this thread should be changed to FOX commentator says Tiger should become a Christian.

[SayWhen]

I have no opinion on it. I just think those who claimed that Hume's opinion reflects the whole at FOX was wrong and misleading.

Bashing Fox News is fashionable with some. As is tolerance of Tiger Wood's apparent complete lack of a moral compass.

You're gonna have to try a little harder if you want to be one of the popular kids, syringa. :laugh:

[syringa]

If you don't care what the commentators have to say, why do you watch them?

I agree with you that the title of this thread should be changed to FOX commentator says Tiger should become a Christian.

I didn't say I don't care what commentators have to say. I said I don't currently have an opinion myself on what Hume said in this instance.

[syringa]

Bashing Fox News is fashionable with some. As is tolerance of Tiger Wood's apparent complete lack of a moral compass.

You're gonna have to try a little harder if you want to be one of the popular kids, syringa. :laugh:

To heck with popularity - I would just like to not have my words twisted and to have honesty in reporting!

[JennyM]

To heck with popularity - I would just like to not have my words twisted and to have honesty in reporting!

FOX isn't so good at the honesty part.

[SayWhen]

FOX isn't so good at the honesty part.

This, of course, is a matter of opinion. I'm sure you just forgot to add imo to your post. :smile:

I suppose if anyone wants to continue the Tiger discussion, a new thread should be started. This one appears to have been started for some other reason or discussion.

[pixiejoolz]

Bashing Fox News is fashionable with some. As is tolerance of Tiger Wood's apparent complete lack of a moral compass.

You're gonna have to try a little harder if you want to be one of the popular kids, syringa. :laugh:

Oh for goodness sake, try not to be so global with your assessment - disliking FOX's stance is not the same as being tolerant of immorality! The two things don't go hand in hand, as much as you would like to pretend they do.

I'm not at all tolerant of cheating or of people with a lack of moral compass, but guess what? I don't know Tiger Woods, he doesn't represent me or impact on anything I really care about (I guess that would be fame, wealth and golf), so I really don't give a buzz about what he does. Why should I? Do I approve of it? No. Is it any of my business? No.

jmo, obviously.:laugh:

[JennyM]

This, of course, is a matter of opinion. I'm sure you just forgot to add imo to your post. :smile:

I suppose if anyone wants to continue the Tiger discussion, a new thread should be started. This one appears to have been started for some other reason or discussion.

It's both fact and opinion. But as you state, that is not the topic of this thread.

[AJandTam]

If you read the OP's link you'll see that Hume cares.

Didn't Hume's son commit suicide? Most Christian religions believe that's an unforgivable sin, too. He must struggle with his beliefs when he wonders if his son is burning in hell for taking his own life.

Hi Jenny. I"m not sure if he really gives a fig or if he's just flapping his jaws about anything he can to keep his paycheck rollin' in.

Not sure about the son. Brit's not one of my favorites. I don't know all that much about him. I suppose he has a right to his opinion but IMHO. Tiger doesn't need to be married, and he doesn't want Brit Humes as his preacher, if he does, he knows where to find him.

[LisaM22]

Now FOX is getting into the business of telling people what Religion they should pursue.

I guess they forgot that we live in America where we can believe in any Religious faith we choose to.

Heck, Even if we do not believe in any Religion, the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights still give us the right not to do so.

http://blog.windycitywatch.com/2010/01/brit-hume-needs-to-have-his-head.html

are they saying Christians do not cheat on their spouses? what world do they live in

[Details]

I'm just shocked that Christians aren't up in arms about this. He's saying if you are a Christian, it's all OK - everyone will forget about whatever you do, your PR issues go away - just say you're sorry, and you are forgiven.

Not to mention the idea that you pick a religion based on the benefits, rather than based on what you believe to be the truth.

Hmmm - Christianity has easy forgiveness so you can do anything, and get away with it - but maybe Islam has the best afterlife - maybe you should pick that one - on the other hand, the Hindu dental plan can't be beat! Decisions, decisions!

[crocdog1]

Bashing Fox News is fashionable with some. As is tolerance of Tiger Wood's apparent complete lack of a moral compass.

You're gonna have to try a little harder if you want to be one of the popular kids, syringa. :laugh:

RE: [Bashing Fox News is fashionable with some. As is tolerance of Tiger Wood's apparent complete lack of a moral compass.]

If FOX is so interested in morals, please tell me why their compass did not lead them to Senator Ensign, or Governor Mark Sanford?

Or, it may be that their moral compass just works on those that are not Republicans.

Just My Humble Opinion

[LisaM22]

I'm just shocked that Christians aren't up in arms about this. He's saying if you are a Christian, it's all OK - everyone will forget about whatever you do, your PR issues go away - just say you're sorry, and you are forgiven.

Not to mention the idea that you pick a religion based on the benefits, rather than based on what you believe to be the truth.

Hmmm - Christianity has easy forgiveness so you can do anything, and get away with it - but maybe Islam has the best afterlife - maybe you should pick that one - on the other hand, the Hindu dental plan can't be beat! Decisions, decisions!

lol, no kidding

[ninetoes]

I'm just shocked that Christians aren't up in arms about this. He's saying if you are a Christian, it's all OK - everyone will forget about whatever you do, your PR issues go away - just say you're sorry, and you are forgiven.

Not to mention the idea that you pick a religion based on the benefits, rather than based on what you believe to be the truth.

Hmmm - Christianity has easy forgiveness so you can do anything, and get away with it - but maybe Islam has the best afterlife - maybe you should pick that one - on the other hand, the Hindu dental plan can't be beat! Decisions, decisions!

Well, im a christian, but im not up in arms about it because imo, his words hold no importance. he is one man, a mortal man, so what he has to say about the issue is simply his opinion, not that of all christians. he's free to speak his opinion, doesnt have any impact at all on my opinions and or beliefs.

[crocdog1]

This, of course, is a matter of opinion. I'm sure you just forgot to add imo to your post. :smile:

I suppose if anyone wants to continue the Tiger discussion, a new thread should be started. This one appears to have been started for some other reason or discussion.

OK. In My Very Humble Opinion, FOX IS NOT VERY GOOD IN THE HONESTY CATAGORY.:smile:

Again, IMO, FOX is only 'fair and balanced' when it comes to their news about Republicans and the Republican Party.

I noticed you did not say IMO when you said "this thread appears to have been started for some other reason or discussion."

I started this THREAD, because I was interested to find out why FOX News, and/or Brit Hume, was so interested in forcing their Christianity on other people. IMO, they say they are a 'fair and balanced' NEWS STATION. In other words they are not a Religious station. Or, are they?

I would appreciate your opinion as to why they wanted to convert Tiger Woods' faith. Doesn't seem like NEWS to me. You?

[CAPS, size for emphasis]

Just My Humble Opinion

[Nic99]

I'm just shocked that Christians aren't up in arms about this. He's saying if you are a Christian, it's all OK - everyone will forget about whatever you do, your PR issues go away - just say you're sorry, and you are forgiven.

Not to mention the idea that you pick a religion based on the benefits, rather than based on what you believe to be the truth.

Hmmm - Christianity has easy forgiveness so you can do anything, and get away with it - but maybe Islam has the best afterlife - maybe you should pick that one - on the other hand, the Hindu dental plan can't be beat! Decisions, decisions!

Maybe they are, but they are being Christian about it. I know I am. As others have said this is one man's point of view. He does not and cannot speak for others IMHCO.

[LisaM22]

Well, im a christian, but im not up in arms about it because imo, his words hold no importance. he is one man, a mortal man, so what he has to say about the issue is simply his opinion, not that of all christians. he's free to speak his opinion, doesnt have any impact at all on my opinions and or beliefs.

do you have an opinion of your own on his comments? agree, disagree? just asking, no need to answer if you think it is too personal

[ninetoes]

do you have an opinion of your own on his comments? agree, disagree? just asking, no need to answer if you think it is too personal

no, I really dont. I dont pay much attention to talking heads. Dont even know what he said, only what is in the title of the thread, so cant offer any real opinion. as with most of this type of thing, it just doesnt rate on my "I need to give this some thought" meter.

[LisaM22]

as a Buddhist I am sure Tiger knows he has created his own suffering via his own actions and has to deal with the consequences

[bree2]

Lol did you all read the article? The title is sorta misleading. Brit Hume made a comment about Tiger becoming a Christian......not the entire Fox network.

[Details]

Lol did you all read the article? The title is sorta misleading. Brit Hume made a comment about Tiger becoming a Christian......not the entire Fox network.Seems most everyone knows that - it's the comment that I'm finding interesting. The whole idea of it being OK if you were a Christian, and converting for a benefit like that - that's what I find interesting about the comment.

[bree2]

Seems most everyone knows that - it's the comment that I'm finding interesting. The whole idea of it being OK if you were a Christian, and converting for a benefit like that - that's what I find interesting about the comment.

Hi Details.
I agree with you about the comment. I find it not only interesting but shocking. :ohmy:
What a thing to say.

[crocdog1]

Lol did you all read the article? The title is sorta misleading. Brit Hume made a comment about Tiger becoming a Christian......not the entire Fox network.

I'm the OP, so I take full blame for my misleading title and apologise for same.

That being said, it was not just "'a comment" by Brit Hume. He made statements about Tiger Words changing his Religious affiliation and becoming a Christian, so as to be forgiven for his sins.

This is the first time I have heard a major News Network host proselytizing. Until now, I have only heard it on the Religious Networks.

(Whew! I almost forgot to add "host")

Just My Humble Opinion

[bree2]

I'm the OP, so I take full blame for my misleading title and apologise for same.

That being said, it was not just "'a comment" by Brit Hume. He made statements about Tiger Words changing his Religious affiliation and becoming a Christian, so as to be forgiven for his sins.

This is the first time I have heard a major News Network host proselytizing. Until now, I have only heard it on the Religious Networks. (Gosh, I almost forgot to add "host")

Noooo, No harm done crocdog1! :biggrin: I tell ya why I reacted so. My DH is a die hard Fox fan and I personally think Fox can be ----well Fox can be a bit much, if ya kwim? lol
So I was ready to tell him that now Fox is into changing people's religion. :tongueside: lol
Still imvhoo, Brit shouldn't make a comment like that, that surprises me.

[Cooper]

:lol: Why are Christians so egotistical to believe that you have to be a Christian to be forgiven???

I've been asking myself that for a long time.

[Cooper]

I'm just shocked that Christians aren't up in arms about this. He's saying if you are a Christian, it's all OK - everyone will forget about whatever you do, your PR issues go away - just say you're sorry, and you are forgiven.

Not to mention the idea that you pick a religion based on the benefits, rather than based on what you believe to be the truth.

Hmmm - Christianity has easy forgiveness so you can do anything, and get away with it - but maybe Islam has the best afterlife - maybe you should pick that one - on the other hand, the Hindu dental plan can't be beat! Decisions, decisions!

Lol, Details.

[Cooper]

Now FOX is getting into the business of telling people what Religion they should pursue.

I guess they forgot that we live in America where we can believe in any Religious faith we choose to.

Heck, Even if we do not believe in any Religion, the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights still give us the right not to do so.

http://blog.windycitywatch.com/2010/01/brit-hume-needs-to-have-his-head.html

Tiger should belong to any religion he chooses or not.

[LisaM22]

it was a stupid thing for Brit Hume to say, that Tiger should switch from Buddhism to Christianity because of his affairs? like Christianity thinks affairs are ok or something? not sure if that was a put down to Christianity or Buddhism Hume was making

[crocdog1]

A tweet by David Shuster on this subject:

people (sic) watch political shows for informed opinions about politics, not uninformed opinions about religion. Hume owes Bhuddists an apology.

Any thoughts?

[JennyM]

Renowned Theologian Pat Buchanan Defends Brit Hume's Call for Tiger Woods to Convert to Christianity

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2iCG4BqnYA

Blurring the lines between political commentary and religious evangelism yet again.

Buchanan admitted he knows nothing about Buddhism, and Hume didn't either. I don't know how either one of them could say Christianity is better than Buddhism if they know nothing about Buddhism.

Like the commentator said, informed opinions about religion would be much better than their obviously uninformed opinions.

[LisaM22]

Buchanan admitted he knows nothing about Buddhism, and Hume didn't either. I don't know how either one of them could say Christianity is better than Buddhism if they know nothing about Buddhism.

Like the commentator said, informed opinions about religion would be much better than their obviously uninformed opinions.

he wasn't saying Christianity was better then Buddhism, just that if he was going to cheat on his wife he could get away with it if he just changed religions and became a christian is the way it sounded to me

[JennyM]

he wasn't saying Christianity was better then Buddhism, just that if he was going to cheat on his wife he could get away with it if he just changed religions and became a christian is the way it sounded to me

He was saying it would be better to be a Christian than a Buddhist, that way he could be forgiven.

[crocdog1]

he wasn't saying Christianity was better then Buddhism, just that if he was going to cheat on his wife he could get away with it if he just changed religions and became a christian is the way it sounded to me

Oh, I see.

In other words, if you are a Christian it is OK to cheat on your spouse, because you will be forgiven.

Is this what you mean he was saying?


Just My Humble Opinion

[LisaM22]

Oh, I see.

In other words, if you are a Christian it is OK to cheat on your spouse, because you will be forgiven.

Is this what you mean he was saying?


Just My Humble Opinion

that is what it sounded like to me

[Keegan]

I'm the OP, so I take full blame for my misleading title and apologise for same.

That being said, it was not just "'a comment" by Brit Hume. He made statements about Tiger Words changing his Religious affiliation and becoming a Christian, so as to be forgiven for his sins.

This is the first time I have heard a major News Network host proselytizing. Until now, I have only heard it on the Religious Networks.

(Whew! I almost forgot to add "host")

Just My Humble Opinion

Brit Hume is correct. Christians are forgiven and don't pay the time. Buddhists have a raw deal. They have to pay. There is no forgiveness.

[LisaM22]

Brit Hume is correct. Christians are forgiven and don't pay the time. Buddhists have a raw deal. They have to pay. There is no forgiveness.

so you mean Christians are not held responsible for their actions and Buddhists are?

[Keegan]

so you mean Christians are not held responsible for their actions and Buddhists are?

From my understanding if a christian repents God saves them. If they don't repent they suffer horrible burning for eternity. If a buddhist repents it is a nice gesture but no dice. The buddhist must pay this life or the following.

[LisaM22]

From my understanding if a christian repents God saves them. If they don't repent they suffer horrible burning for eternity. If a buddhist repents it is a nice gesture but no dice. The buddhist must pay this life or the following.
saves them from what? his own wrath? is that what you mean by saving?

[Keegan]

**************snipped for bandwith**************

Where are your links supporting your statements of fact? GEEZ!

I don't need supporting statement anymore than christian posters. I told JennyM that the answer could be found in the precepts. I don't believe I have ever seen a christian being asked to post a link to a commandment. Buddhist precepts are not hard to google. Just to be a nice guy, here is one link:

http://buddhism.about.com/od/basicbuddhistteachings/a/sexbuddhism.htm

[Keegan]

saves them from what? his own wrath? is that what you mean by saving?

Yes. That is correct.

[EMAA]

I don't need supporting statement anymore than christian posters. I told JennyM that the answer could be found in the precepts. I don't believe I have ever seen a christian being asked to post a link to a commandment. Buddhist precepts are not hard to google. Just to be a nice guy, here is one link:

http://buddhism.about.com/od/basicbuddhistteachings/a/sexbuddhism.htm

Why would anyone ask a christian to post a link to a commandment when the only ones that would ask don't believe what the Bible says anyway?

[ninetoes]

Repent means to stop doing wrong and change your way of life. A spiritual 180, so to speak. :smile:

It's a heart thing, between you and God. It's a choice you make of your own free will. Lots of people can say they're sorry, but it's meaningless when nothing changes, because like a dog turns back to eat it's own vomit, they just keep on doing what they were doing all along. Of course, no one knows your heart except you and God.

Just because you're "forgiven" doesn't mean you get a free pass, either. For example, people in jail aren't going to get out just because they repent. They will still have to answer to a higher authority for their past behavior.

I don't believe in a horrible burning for eternity. I believe that everyone gets eternal life whether they want it or not, and who we choose to spend eternity with is a personal choice and ours alone. If I don't want God, He's not going to force me to be with him. In other words, I believe that hell is where God is not. I can't imagine anything worse.

JMHO

I agree. I am always dumbfounded when I read people saying "I cant stand those religious types who think they need to praise God all the time", then they turn around and say they cant wait to get to heaven. What do they think heaven is going to be? Just an extention of life on earth? It will be singing Gods praises all the time, IMO.

[Tracian]

I agree. I am always dumbfounded when I read people saying "I cant stand those religious types who think they need to praise God all the time", then they turn around and say they cant wait to get to heaven. What do they think heaven is going to be? Just an extention of life on earth? It will be singing Gods praises all the time, IMO.


BBM:

Why is God so in need of souls singing his praises? I never understood that theory.

[JohnA]

I agree. I am always dumbfounded when I read people saying "I cant stand those religious types who think they need to praise God all the time", then they turn around and say they cant wait to get to heaven. What do they think heaven is going to be? Just an extention of life on earth? It will be singing Gods praises all the time, IMO.
funny think most of those who say * cant wait to get to heaven * will have the most experiance and trained doctors take care of them when its time to go

second thoughts perhaps ?

[LisaM22]

funny think most of those who say * cant wait to get to heaven * will have the most experiance and trained doctors take care of them when its time to go

second thoughts perhaps ?

lol, no kidding

[LisaM22]

BBM:

Why is God so in need of souls singing his praises? I never understood that theory.

some believe their god is a jealous and vengeful god that needs constant reassurance that he is believed in.....
thus the thinking that heaven will be the singing gods praises all the time... for eternity

[Cooper]

as a Buddhist I am sure Tiger knows he has created his own suffering via his own actions and has to deal with the consequences


Yes. I m reading a book on Tibetan Buddhism right now.

[Cooper]

BBM:

Why is God so in need of souls singing his praises? I never understood that theory.


He does not.

[Cooper]

Brit Hume is correct. Christians are forgiven and don't pay the time. Buddhists have a raw deal. They have to pay. There is no forgiveness.

And you know this how?

[Cooper]

I don't need supporting statement anymore than christian posters. I told JennyM that the answer could be found in the precepts. I don't believe I have ever seen a christian being asked to post a link to a commandment. Buddhist precepts are not hard to google. Just to be a nice guy, here is one link:

http://buddhism.about.com/od/basicbuddhistteachings/a/sexbuddhism.htm


Lol, you must be very limited in your thinking.

[Cooper]

From my understanding if a christian repents God saves them. If they don't repent they suffer horrible burning for eternity. If a buddhist repents it is a nice gesture but no dice. The buddhist must pay this life or the following.


It is my understanding that there is no burning for eternity.

[Cooper]

Buchanan admitted he knows nothing about Buddhism, and Hume didn't either. I don't know how either one of them could say Christianity is better than Buddhism if they know nothing about Buddhism.

Like the commentator said, informed opinions about religion would be much better than their obviously uninformed opinions.

I don't think one religion is better than another. Many roads lead to the same mountain top.

[Keegan]

And you know this how?

He stated that Tiger should become Christian to be forgiven. He is correct. Buddhists do not have a God that forgives.

...limited thinking in what way? I have never seen a Christian post a link to their bible nor commandments. If a Buddhist asks a poster to see the Eightfold Path or Noble Truths, both are easy to goggle. I find no problem goggling what any religion posts here. Why now is a Buddhist required? It seems a bit unfair.

[LisaM22]

He stated that Tiger should become Christian to be forgiven. He is correct. Buddhists do not have a God that forgives.

...limited thinking in what way? I have never seen a Christian post a link to their bible nor commandments. If a Buddhist asks a poster to see the Eightfold Path or Noble Truths, both are easy to goggle. I find no problem goggling what any religion posts here. Why now is a Buddhist required? It seems a bit unfair.

some Buddhists believe in a god, just not a jealous vengeful christian one that some refer too, even most non-Buddhists believe god is better then that - as far as Christians being able to cheat on their wives, commit crimes, ect... and being forgiven by god, where is the sanctity in that - Karma seems to mean one is responsible for their own actions - I know many Christians that love god, but do not believe the bible as the word of that god, because they too believe god it better then that

[Keegan]

some Buddhists believe in a god, just not a jealous vengeful christian one that some refer too, even most non-Buddhists believe god is better then that - as far as Christians being able to cheat on their wives, commit crimes, ect... and being forgiven by god, where is the sanctity in that - Karma seems to mean one is responsible for their own actions - I know many Christians that love god, but do not believe the bible as the word of that god, because they too believe god it better then that

Lisa,

There is no omnipotent creator God in buddism. Gods do exist as spiritual beings but with no magical powers. God is found within not outside.

[LisaM22]

Lisa,

There is no omnipotent creator God in buddism. Gods do exist as spiritual beings but with no magical powers. God is found within not outside.

correct....

[Cooper]

He stated that Tiger should become Christian to be forgiven. He is correct. Buddhists do not have a God that forgives.

...limited thinking in what way? I have never seen a Christian post a link to their bible nor commandments. If a Buddhist asks a poster to see the Eightfold Path or Noble Truths, both are easy to goggle. I find no problem goggling what any religion posts here. Why now is a Buddhist required? It seems a bit unfair.


No, you think "he is correct" that Tiger needs to be a Christian to be "forgiven." Please do not state opinions as facts.

What I meant by "limited thinking" was that I felt you were very simplistic in your interpretation of Buddhism.

Might you agree that most religions cannot be summed up by a link on the internet?

[Cooper]

Repent means to stop doing wrong and change your way of life. A spiritual 180, so to speak. :smile:

It's a heart thing, between you and God. It's a choice you make of your own free will. Lots of people can say they're sorry, but it's meaningless when nothing changes, because like a dog turns back to eat it's own vomit, they just keep on doing what they were doing all along. Of course, no one knows your heart except you and God.

Just because you're "forgiven" doesn't mean you get a free pass, either. For example, people in jail aren't going to get out just because they repent. They will still have to answer to a higher authority for their past behavior.

I don't believe in a horrible burning for eternity. I believe that everyone gets eternal life whether they want it or not, and who we choose to spend eternity with is a personal choice and ours alone. If I don't want God, He's not going to force me to be with him. In other words, I believe that hell is where God is not. I can't imagine anything worse.

JMHO


Very, very nice post, Spyder.

[Keegan]

No, you think "he is correct" that Tiger needs to be a Christian to be "forgiven." Please do not state opinions as facts.

What I meant by "limited thinking" was that I felt you were very simplistic in your interpretation of Buddhism.

Might you agree that most religions cannot be summed up by a link on the internet?

What is there to fight about? If you're Buddhist there is no forgiveness.

Theravada Buddhism does not regard man as a sinner who is incapable of anything better than appealing to the creator for forgiveness. It regards man as capable of rising above all human weaknesses and cultivating a divine mind through his own efforts. One cannot be saved by any external means but he has to save himself through this own efforts and right technique developed by his mind.

http://www.maithri.com/fromindexpage.htm

The man was speaking of a Buddhist. Tiger is Buddhist. Therefore, if the man feels that Tiger needs to become Christian for forgiveness, he would be correct. Other faiths may be upset about it but not Buddhists. For Buddhists he spoke the truth. Many on the board felt he owed Buddhist an apology. He owes it to other faiths but not Buddhism. My answer was to a Christian.

By the way Buddhism is simplistic.:wink:

[LisaM22]

Repent means to stop doing wrong and change your way of life. A spiritual 180, so to speak. :smile:

It's a heart thing, between you and God. It's a choice you make of your own free will. Lots of people can say they're sorry, but it's meaningless when nothing changes, because like a dog turns back to eat it's own vomit, they just keep on doing what they were doing all along. Of course, no one knows your heart except you and God.

Just because you're "forgiven" doesn't mean you get a free pass, either. For example, people in jail aren't going to get out just because they repent. They will still have to answer to a higher authority for their past behavior.

I don't believe in a horrible burning for eternity. I believe that everyone gets eternal life whether they want it or not, and who we choose to spend eternity with is a personal choice and ours alone. If I don't want God, He's not going to force me to be with him. In other words, I believe that hell is where God is not. I can't imagine anything worse.

JMHO

I like Christians that believe like that Spyder88, I may have differing beliefs, but I think all paths lead to the same place eventually, I thank you for your input on the subject

[LisaM22]

What is there to fight about? If you're Buddhist there is no forgiveness.



http://www.maithri.com/fromindexpage.htm

The man was speaking of a Buddhist. Tiger is Buddhist. Therefore, if the man feels that Tiger needs to become Christian for forgiveness, he would be correct. Other faiths may be upset about it but not Buddhists. For Buddhists he spoke the truth. Many on the board felt he owed Buddhist an apology. He owes it to other faiths but not Buddhism. My answer was to a Christian.

By the way Buddhism is simplistic.:wink:

many believe Jesus was real, not just Christians and Muslims, many Buddhists believe he was a Buddha for example

[Keegan]

many believe Jesus was real, not just Christians and Muslims, many Buddhists believe he was a Buddha for example

Both followed the Four Noble Truths. They knew that suffering existed, that there is a cause of suffering, that there is a way out, and gave a path to followers that help attain relief. So it is possible that Jesus was a Buddha. It should be noted that any path or way can become Buddha. The homeless man on the street may be Buddha. The rich man in a palace. Buddha's are in all walks of life. To be a Buddha the teachings are not necessary. You just are...

[Cooper]

What is there to fight about? If you're Buddhist there is no forgiveness.



http://www.maithri.com/fromindexpage.htm

The man was speaking of a Buddhist. Tiger is Buddhist. Therefore, if the man feels that Tiger needs to become Christian for forgiveness, he would be correct. Other faiths may be upset about it but not Buddhists. For Buddhists he spoke the truth. Many on the board felt he owed Buddhist an apology. He owes it to other faiths but not Buddhism. My answer was to a Christian.

By the way Buddhism is simplistic.:wink:


No, he would not be "correct." It is a Christian belief and concept of "forgiveness", no more no less. I would agree that Buddhists do not need or desire Christian "forgiveness."

Buddhism is simplistic? Perhaps to one who either does not have the desire or capacity to learn about it.

[Keegan]

What is there to fight about? If you're Buddhist there is no forgiveness.



http://www.maithri.com/fromindexpage.htm

The man was speaking of a Buddhist. Tiger is Buddhist. Therefore, if the man feels that Tiger needs to become Christian for forgiveness, he would be correct. Other faiths may be upset about it but not Buddhists. For Buddhists he spoke the truth. Many on the board felt he owed Buddhist an apology. He owes it to other faiths but not Buddhism. My answer was to a Christian.

By the way Buddhism is simplistic.:wink:

Cooper,

We are saying the same thing. It is a Christian belief. My answer was spoken about the Christian that spoke. He was correct. His belief was that you need to be Christian to be forgiven. He was speaking to a Buddhist. The man was correct in his own thoughts. To him a Buddhist needs to ask forgiveness for their sins. Why would a Buddhist be upset by another speaking their truth? Silly isn't it.

I won't respond to nonsense. Your comment to me is unfounded and unkind.

[LisaM22]

I think what he meant was he would not forgive tiger because tiger was a Buddhist, but if tiger became a christian he would forgive him, it's a conditional forgiveness some Christians have, they only forgive those that believe as they do - the fox news guys mistake was thinking all of tigers fans thought like him

[Cooper]

Cooper,

We are saying the same thing. It is a Christian belief. My answer was spoken about the Christian that spoke. He was correct. His belief was that you need to be Christian to be forgiven. He was speaking to a Buddhist. The man was correct in his own thoughts. To him a Buddhist needs to ask forgiveness for their sins. Why would a Buddhist be upset by another speaking their truth? Silly isn't it.

I won't respond to nonsense. Your comment to me is unfounded and unkind.


I'm sorry if you were offended by my comment.

However, I believe it is insulting to state that Buddhism is "simplistic."

I suppose every religious theology could be boiled down to a few trite sentences or a link on the internet.

I find that the majority of religious traditions have deep roots and to discover those takes time and study.

[Cooper]

I think what he meant was he would not forgive tiger because tiger was a Buddhist, but if tiger became a christian he would forgive him, it's a conditional forgiveness some Christians have, they only forgive those that believe as they do - the fox news guys mistake was thinking all of tigers fans thought like him


Yes, and there are Christians who beleive their theology/concepts apply to all no matter what the beliefs of the "other."

[crocdog1]

Yes, and there are Christians who beleive their theology/concepts apply to all no matter what the beliefs of the "other."

This is true.

And, IMO, there are some Christians who believe that all Christians who do not accept their fundamental faith based beliefs, convictions and values, are not true, patriotic Americans and are godless infidels.

I believe this to be true, as I have some for my neighbors.

They were no longer interested in my opinions, once they found out I voted for (gasp) President Obama.

One of them, was invited into one of my friend's home for coffee. She was absolutely outraged and indignant when she saw a copy of TRUE COMPASS on the coffee table.

She excused herself and, left without drinking any coffee.

I do not think they have spoken to each other since this happened.

[JohnA]

RE: [Bashing Fox News is fashionable with some. As is tolerance of Tiger Wood's apparent complete lack of a moral compass.]

If FOX is so interested in morals, please tell me why their compass did not lead them to Senator Ensign, or Governor Mark Sanford?

Or, it may be that their moral compass just works on those that are not Republicans.

Just My Humble Opinion
in your humble opinion they also failed to look further into the christian past missing such gems as

jimmy swaggart
jimmy baker
and priests to numerous to name who have abused children .

it would be a task or mammoth proportions to clean there house

[Keegan]

I'm sorry if you were offended by my comment.

However, I believe it is insulting to state that Buddhism is "simplistic."

I suppose every religious theology could be boiled down to a few trite sentences or a link on the internet.

I find that the majority of religious traditions have deep roots and to discover those takes time and study.

Here is what Buddha thought of tradition

"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. Do not believe anything because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything because it is written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and the benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it." Buddha

Simple Buddhism:smile:

[tiny paw-prints]

I wonder if that traditional turkey day was the final straw? Perhaps a message from Buddha?

[Cooper]

Here is what Buddha thought of tradition

"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. Do not believe anything because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything because it is written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and the benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it." Buddha

Simple Buddhism:smile:


I find Buddhism anything but simple and not easily explained in one paragraph.

I find it rich with ideas and wisdom.

I would never disrespect it by claiming it is "simple" but that's just me.

[Keegan]

I find Buddhism anything but simple and not easily explained in one paragraph.

I find it rich with ideas and wisdom.

I would never disrespect it by claiming it is "simple" but that's just me.

One day you will see it. It won't be in books, traditions, teachers, or elders. It is why some followers have burned scriptures and statues of Buddha. It was not an act of disrepect but wisdom. Buddha never wanted to teach. Buddha never wanted a book written. Buddha didn't want any followers. It was men that wrote traditions and teachings Cooper. Just men. Buddha was simple. It was those that followed him that kept adding layers to the mix. Buddha never had fear of his teachings leaving earth. Why? Because those teachings were simple common sense. He knew who the teacher was...

[Cooper]

One day you will see it. It won't be in books, traditions, teachers, or elders. It is why some followers have burned scriptures and statues of Buddha. It was not an act of disrepect but wisdom. Buddha never wanted to teach. Buddha never wanted a book written. Buddha didn't want any followers. It was men that wrote traditions and teachings Cooper. Just men. Buddha was simple. It was those that followed him that kept adding layers to the mix. Buddha never had fear of his teachings leaving earth. Why? Because those teachings were simple common sense. He knew who the teacher was...

No, Keegan, I have too much respect to believe that Buddhism is "simple."

I too agree that men wrote traditions and teachings. We do not disagree there.

[Keegan]

No, Keegan, I have too much respect to believe that Buddhism is "simple."

I too agree that men wrote traditions and teachings. We do not disagree there.

That is fine with me. I find God as simple.