12/17 Caylee Anthony

[ellegna]

Good morning :seeya:

New Day. New thread

Casey Anthony case: Judge denies two of the five motions from Friday so far

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/os-casey-anthony-rulings-20091216,0,3644827.story

[Jeepers]

Good morning Everyone:seeya:

Glad to read that Judge Strickland has ruled on some of the motions and they were Denied.
Waiting on the rest of his rulings.
Go Team Caylee! Thank you Judge Strickland.:thumbsup:

[Kathlb]

Good morning Everyone:seeya:

Glad to read that Judge Strickland has ruled on some of the motions and they were Denied.
Waiting on the rest of his rulings.
Go Team Caylee! Thank you Judge Strickland.:thumbsup:

Good Morning Jeepers and all,

Thanks Ellegna!

I'm glad too. I've read two reports that have said he hasn't ruled on whether or not to allow non-taping of the Anthony's visits. I still am not sure if we have that ruled on or not. Jeesh... Sun said yes and I sure hope she is right. The jail said it's law and would need to be changed at the State level. So maybe he has already addressed that and won't change it.

Most of the talking heads on JVM last night said that the Anthonys are hurting Casey's case by going on the media constantly. Of course they are correct and they need to stay home and tend to business and go back to work instead of constantly creating paydays for themselves. And the experts also said that it was all about them, not Casey. Not only are their stupid interviews causing the public to hate them for trading on their beautiful little granddaughter's death, but the broadcasting stations and the shows that have them on are now getting dropped from viewers list of stations that they watch. When it hits them in the pocketbook hard enough, they will stop having them on.
JMHO:thumbdown:

[ellegna]

Good Morning Jeepers and all,

Thanks Ellegna!

I'm glad too. I've read two reports that have said he hasn't ruled on whether or not to allow non-taping of the Anthony's visits. I still am not sure if we have that ruled on or not. Jeesh... Sun said yes and I sure hope she is right. The jail said it's law and would need to be changed at the State level. So maybe he has already addressed that and won't change it.

Most of the talking heads on JVM last night said that the Anthonys are hurting Casey's case by going on the media constantly. Of course they are correct and they need to stay home and tend to business and go back to work instead of constantly creating paydays for themselves. And the experts also said that it was all about them, not Casey. Not only are their stupid interviews causing the public to hate them for trading on their beautiful little granddaughter's death, but the broadcasting stations and the shows that have them on are now getting dropped from viewers list of stations that they watch. When it hits them in the pocketbook hard enough, they will stop having them on.
JMHO:thumbdown:

I actually gave Brad Conway the benefit of the doubt he would check his clients to keep a low profile and try to regain favor with the public. No more talk show interviews for one.
Alas my perception of BC was wrong. You can't very well muzzle your clients if you enjoy posing in front of the cameras yourself. :thumbdown:

[desmom]

Good morning :seeya:

New Day. New thread

Casey Anthony case: Judge denies two of the five motions from Friday so far

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/os-casey-anthony-rulings-20091216,0,3644827.story

Good Morning All! :seeya:

From your link: have said they haven't visit their daughter at the jail in a year for fear the videos of their visits will be released to the public and be picked apart by TV commentators.

Poor excuse imo. They could visit and keep their conversations generic. They could talk about the weather, books, football. They could even make a statement at the beginning of the visit "due to this visit may be released to the public, we are not going to discuss anyone in the family or the case".

If they were to keep their visits generic, the the media would not be interested.

jmo

[Scampi]

Thanks for the fresh thread Sweet Canada and here we go again with that question of whether or not Strickland ruled on future tapings of the family visits with KC at the jail.

I can see both sides of the opinion, but must remind everyone that Beth Karis reported yesterday that he HAD NOT yet ruled on the future tapings with the family.

Welcome home Des, we missed ya!!! :seeya:

From the OS article that is linked:

Strickland heard several motions on Friday. He's expected to rule soon on the remaining two issues, which include whether the state can pursue the death penalty and whether the jail can continue to record Anthony's visits with her attorneys.

This supports Sunnie's view.

[jammies]

Good Morning All! :seeya:

From your link: have said they haven't visit their daughter at the jail in a year for fear the videos of their visits will be released to the public and be picked apart by TV commentators.

Poor excuse imo. They could visit and keep their conversations generic. They could talk about the weather, books, football. They could even make a statement at the beginning of the visit "due to this visit may be released to the public, we are not going to discuss anyone in the family or the case".

If they were to keep their visits generic, the the media would not be interested.

jmo

Casey refused to see them. It's no secret among them that she murdered Caylee. I think when DC finally speaks the game is up. No more pretending they can't see their daughter, no more pretending Caylee is still alive or "they don't know know WHAT happened", etc.

They've known for a long time. And who is Casey going to blame?

(Odd how the nanny story/search seems to have gone "poof". )

[Jeepers]

I actually gave Brad Conway the benefit of the doubt he would check his clients to keep a low profile and try to regain favor with the public. No more talk show interviews for one.
Alas my perception of BC was wrong. You can't very well muzzle your clients if you enjoy posing in front of the cameras yourself. :thumbdown:

Good morning,

That is the kicker. We have given them all the benefit of the doubt countless times. We have all hoped that they would come around and do the right thing. BC might be a good lawyer,he might have had a good reputation before he met the Anthony's but he is just as kooky as they are. I think he lies just as much as his clients do. Something about the Anthony's that just brings out the dark side in folks. Mr.Nejames saw that and got out before they were able to take him down their dark lonely road. The Anthony's are rouge and there is no controlling their behavior so it appears that BC advises them to shut up then tries to clean up their aftermath with more lies to explain away their ugly coping. Dog chasing it's tail syndrome.
The Anthony's are who they are and will continue to entertain us with their mantra of KC is innocent even after the prison doors are slammed shut.
Team Caylee will continue to wade through their nonsense and fight for Caylee and the justice she deserves.
I bet the Scream Team has been showing their Fisties in the last few hours since Judge Strickland has ruled against them.
Hoping that we get more Denials from Judge Strickland today.
Go Team Caylee:thumbsup:

[SandyO]

Casey refused to see them. It's no secret among them that she murdered Caylee. I think when DC finally speaks the game is up. No more pretending they can't see their daughter, no more pretending Caylee is still alive or "they don't know know WHAT happened", etc.

They've known for a long time. And who is Casey going to blame?

(Odd how the nanny story/search seems to have gone "poof". )

HAS that story gone "poof"? I'm still trying to figure that out, although I know new stories (lies/possible scenarios) are being added. A friend reminded me yesterday that the defense doesn't have to prove anything at all --- all they have to do is create doubt in the minds of the jurors. Scary thought, huh?

[jammies]

HAS that story gone "poof"? I'm still trying to figure that out, although I know new stories (lies/possible scenarios) are being added. A friend reminded me yesterday that the defense doesn't have to prove anything at all --- all they have to do is create doubt in the minds of the jurors. Scary thought, huh?

Nary a word about the invisible nanny. No way the defense can go with that as people aren't stupid enough to believe w/o some sort of proof. It would open the door to all the OTHER people Casey invented. Lost count of her pretend friends!

[sydney]

morning all. i don't think the invisi-nanny story has gone "poof". didn't kc just reiterate that she left caylee with the nanny in one of her responses to something? (des,help me out here please).

as far as visiting kc, you are so right, des. they can discuss the weather, the local sports team, whatever. just saying "how are you" and "we love you" would be okay, too. of course, they could also talk about caylee and how sweet she was, how they miss her, how they hope to find the REAL KILLER (this late in the game, though, everyone knows if they said these things it would be total hooey. that should have been done in the beginning, after kc maintained it was the invisi-nanny).

again, as had been said so many times before, not ONE WORD about finding the real killer(s) in any of the interviews, huh? interesting.

[jammies]

The two interviews LE did with Casey at the very beginning are really all the prosecution needs, IMO. I could convict her on those ALONE even if I didn't know one other thing about this case!

[Scampi]

HAS that story gone "poof"? I'm still trying to figure that out, although I know new stories (lies/possible scenarios) are being added. A friend reminded me yesterday that the defense doesn't have to prove anything at all --- all they have to do is create doubt in the minds of the jurors. Scary thought, huh?

In theory that's true, but in reality if lyon wants the jury to believe Kronk or any other person murdered Caylee, they better darn side be able to offer some kind of reasonable proof. IMO.

Spouting ridiculous nonsense at the jury just ain't gonna get this accused babykiller off, imo.

[SandyO]

It's beginning to look like jury selection will be EVERYTHING in this case. If the defense can manage to get a solid number of naieve, gullible, not-too-smart folks on the jury their chances of confusing the facts (and the folks) will improve.

[cassidy]

Good Morning All! :seeya:

From your link: have said they haven't visit their daughter at the jail in a year for fear the videos of their visits will be released to the public and be picked apart by TV commentators.

Poor excuse imo. They could visit and keep their conversations generic. They could talk about the weather, books, football. They could even make a statement at the beginning of the visit "due to this visit may be released to the public, we are not going to discuss anyone in the family or the case".

If they were to keep their visits generic, the the media would not be interested.

jmo


Very poor excuse. IMO put out there to illicit the sympathy of the public but it isn't working. They say that everything Casey says or does is picked apart by the public and/or the media and that's the truth and part and parcel of being accused or murdering your own child. If I were her parents and I thought her to be inoocent, that certainly wouldn't stop me from seeing her. The public and media pick apart her appearances in the courtroom and the Anthony's show up there don't they? If she is truly innocent then nothing she says to them in a jail viit could possibly be used against her. Their excuses hold no water.

JMO

[puzzler]

morning all. i don't think the invisi-nanny story has gone "poof". didn't kc just reiterate that she left caylee with the nanny in one of her responses to something? (des,help me out here please).

as far as visiting kc, you are so right, des. they can discuss the weather, the local sports team, whatever. just saying "how are you" and "we love you" would be okay, too. of course, they could also talk about caylee and how sweet she was, how they miss her, how they hope to find the REAL KILLER (this late in the game, though, everyone knows if they said these things it would be total hooey. that should have been done in the beginning, after kc maintained it was the invisi-nanny).

again, as had been said so many times before, not ONE WORD about finding the real killer(s) in any of the interviews, huh? interesting.

They evidently were able to go the entire time she was out on bond without discussing what happened to Caylee. Jose told them not to as the house might be bugged.

[jammies]

morning all. i don't think the invisi-nanny story has gone "poof". didn't kc just reiterate that she left caylee with the nanny in one of her responses to something? (des,help me out here please).

as far as visiting kc, you are so right, des. they can discuss the weather, the local sports team, whatever. just saying "how are you" and "we love you" would be okay, too. of course, they could also talk about caylee and how sweet she was, how they miss her, how they hope to find the REAL KILLER (this late in the game, though, everyone knows if they said these things it would be total hooey. that should have been done in the beginning, after kc maintained it was the invisi-nanny).

again, as had been said so many times before, not ONE WORD about finding the real killer(s) in any of the interviews, huh? interesting.

The real killer, that the family was supposed to be fearful of, has to be the nanny if anyone is to believe Casey's stories. That's what I mean...... the A's have dropped the nanny story like a hot potato.

On their media tours shouldn't they be screaming about finding her??? Shouldn't they be besides themselves that their lives are still in danger and the evil Nanny will show up on the doorstep? Shouldn't they have round the clock security?

[Scampi]

Here's Kakax's great slideshow she posted last night of the angry OC:

Originally Posted by kakax
Just a few of Casey's furious faces. Lillian Glass' report made me want to go back to it.

http://s81.photobucket.com/albums/j2...t=f0d996a8.pbw

I think the Prosecutors should attempt to get this defendant riled up as much as they can, during the trial.

KC has absolutely no implulse control and the prosecution should exploit that little character flaw to the hilt, so the jury can see it.

[Pruddennce]

HAS that story gone "poof"? I'm still trying to figure that out, although I know new stories (lies/possible scenarios) are being added. A friend reminded me yesterday that the defense doesn't have to prove anything at all --- all they have to do is create doubt in the minds of the jurors. Scary thought, huh?



the jurors are going to have a difficult time giving weight to doubt: no report that she was 'abducted', no evidence of a 'kidnapper', and her activities during the missing period, notably: hours later renting videos......getting a tattoo, scheduling for another tattoo going out dancing that friday nite....and of course all of her lies regarding the location of where she dropped Caylee off at, and her nonexistent employment.

the jurors are not going to hear about threats from a kidnapper: she had no contact with 'a kidnapper' and in fact, she considered that 'fateful day' another day in her life...DROPPED HER OFF WHILE SHE WENT TO WORK.....

how are the jurors going to get past those facts? they cannot imagine 'what happened' when weighing the evidence. they cannot imagine 'she might have been threatened'.....they cannot imagine 'an accident and a panic' without evidence.....

Casey's written statement and verbal interviews will stand on their own. she was given an opportunity to 'change it'. she didnt. she never again spoke to LE or any authorities with a 'new story'. in fact, when she spoke to family services the beginning of August, she reverted back to the lies about being employed at Universal and again, ZFG was the nanny and she lived at Sawgrass.

the jurors will not be able to conjure up a story/excuse to find reasonable doubt. they cannot do a 'what if'. the court will give their charge and that will be one of them. no imagination.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[ellegna]

Thanks for the fresh thread Sweet Canada and here we go again with that question of whether or not Strickland ruled on future tapings of the family visits with KC at the jail.

I can see both sides of the opinion, but must remind everyone that Beth Karis reported yesterday that he HAD NOT yet ruled on the future tapings with the family.

Welcome home Des, we missed ya!!! :seeya:

From the OS article that is linked:

Strickland heard several motions on Friday. He's expected to rule soon on the remaining two issues, which include whether the state can pursue the death penalty and whether the jail can continue to record Anthony's visits with her attorneys.

This supports Sunnie's view.

Morning Scamp

Here is my interpretation:

Contained in the body of the motion, it also discusses G&C reluctance to visit their daughter for fear the videos would become public. The judged denied that motion so I will assume it would include future visits with family will continue to be recorded.
Did I make sense?

[puzzler]

Funny, I didn't pick up on this at Friday's hearing, but read it on another site.

Jose Baez in the same hearing trying to get special treatment for his client regarding visits, tells the judge that he wants Casey treated "like anybody else" in the check fraud case. Doh!

Good morning, everyone.:smile:

[sydney]

I think the Prosecutors should attempt to get this defendant riled up as much as they can, during the trial.

KC has absolutely no implulse control and the prosecution should exploit that little character flaw to the hilt, so the jury can see it.[/COLOR]

(snipped by me)

with what i've seen of her, they won't have to try to rile her up very hard (or her parents, for that matter). just having the simple truth come out will do it.

i predict that the thonys will be so outraged over the "lies" (as they see them) the prosecution will be bringing out via testimony that there will be some sort of attempt to disrupt the proceedings or an attempt to take the focus off of the witnesses (leaving in the middle of testimony, slamming the door, raising hands, loud whispers, that kind of thing).

decorum in the courtroom? they won't have any.

i also predict that we will see the most eye-poking-to-produce-fake-tears than has ever been done before.

[trich]

Good Morning Jeepers and all,

Thanks Ellegna!

I'm glad too. I've read two reports that have said he hasn't ruled on whether or not to allow non-taping of the Anthony's visits. I still am not sure if we have that ruled on or not. Jeesh... Sun said yes and I sure hope she is right. The jail said it's law and would need to be changed at the State level. So maybe he has already addressed that and won't change it.

Most of the talking heads on JVM last night said that the Anthonys are hurting Casey's case by going on the media constantly. Of course they are correct and they need to stay home and tend to business and go back to work instead of constantly creating paydays for themselves. And the experts also said that it was all about them, not Casey. Not only are their stupid interviews causing the public to hate them for trading on their beautiful little granddaughter's death, but the broadcasting stations and the shows that have them on are now getting dropped from viewers list of stations that they watch. When it hits them in the pocketbook hard enough, they will stop having them on.JMHO:thumbdown:

I hope so (bolding mine) the almighty dollar is what it is all about.
I realize that is what makes the world go around but does anyone do "THE RIGHT THING" any more?
I also think it is disgusting that the commentators do not ask the right questions and try to make the world
simpathetic to the Anthonys and act like they are the victims.
Whoever the guy was talking before the clip of the Anthonys saying there was no evidence that Casey killed her daughter
but the fact that she never reported Caylee missing.....he needs to check his facts better...needs to talk to Kathi.
Well l hope if they are going to keep acting this way it does continue to hurt the defense.

[Kathlb]

Nary a word about the invisible nanny. No way the defense can go with that as people aren't stupid enough to believe w/o some sort of proof. It would open the door to all the OTHER people Casey invented. Lost count of her pretend friends!


I agree. I am so curious about seeing if Casey had two driver's licenses, one in Zaneida's name. If so.......that is more huge ammo against her. And knocks the invisi nanny clean out of the park. :thumbsup:

[SandyO]

the jurors are going to have a difficult time giving weight to doubt: no report that she was 'abducted', no evidence of a 'kidnapper', and her activities during the missing period, notably: hours later renting videos......getting a tattoo, scheduling for another tattoo going out dancing that friday nite....and of course all of her lies regarding the location of where she dropped Caylee off at, and her nonexistent employment.

the jurors are not going to hear about threats from a kidnapper: she had no contact with 'a kidnapper' and in fact, she considered that 'fateful day' another day in her life...DROPPED HER OFF WHILE SHE WENT TO WORK.....

how are the jurors going to get past those facts? they cannot imagine 'what happened' when weighing the evidence. they cannot imagine 'she might have been threatened'.....they cannot imagine 'an accident and a panic' without evidence.....

Casey's written statement and verbal interviews will stand on their own. she was given an opportunity to 'change it'. she didnt. she never again spoke to LE or any authorities with a 'new story'. in fact, when she spoke to family services the beginning of August, she reverted back to the lies about being employed at Universal and again, ZFG was the nanny and she lived at Sawgrass.

the jurors will not be able to conjure up a story/excuse to find reasonable doubt. they cannot do a 'what if'. the court will give their charge and that will be one of them. no imagination.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Your words encourage me, Pru, and make me feel a whole lot better about this whole thing. I especially appreciate that "Casey's written statement and verbal interviews will stand on their own", and I feel certain you are correct about that. I can't imagine any excuse for that.

[Jeepers]

It's beginning to look like jury selection will be EVERYTHING in this case. If the defense can manage to get a solid number of naieve, gullible, not-too-smart folks on the jury their chances of confusing the facts (and the folks) will improve.

I have my concerns over a juror that will taste the koolaide but after listening to Mr Ashton speak last week, I feel confident that the state will be able to erase any doubt in a juror's mind in reference to SODDI theories. There are a lot of statements we have not seen yet and some of the statements from friends that have not been completely released.
Mr. Ashton did not ramble in his talk to the judge. He was straight and to the crust of this case. He spoke with passion and feelings he made me feel scared listening to him. I think he will have an even more so effect come jury time. The rest of his more than qualified team will fill in where he leaves off along with the experts. I think the Scream Team knows they have nothing to really hang their hat on and are just throwing things out there for the state to shoot down. Mr. Ashton shut them down quick last week like rats scurrying when the lights came on they were blown. jmo

[ellegna]

I agree. I am so curious about seeing if Casey had two driver's licenses, one in Zaneida's name. If so.......that is more huge ammo against her. And knocks the invisi nanny clean out of the park. :thumbsup:

Me too.
I'm still curious what LE pulled out of Casey's wallet? I'm hoping it was fake ID and wondering who's name Casey's picture was pasted to.
Did Amy report any missing ID? Maybe that's how Casey was able to cash her check at the bank?

[desmom]

morning all. i don't think the invisi-nanny story has gone "poof". didn't kc just reiterate that she left caylee with the nanny in one of her responses to something? (des,help me out here please).

as far as visiting kc, you are so right, des. they can discuss the weather, the local sports team, whatever. just saying "how are you" and "we love you" would be okay, too. of course, they could also talk about caylee and how sweet she was, how they miss her, how they hope to find the REAL KILLER (this late in the game, though, everyone knows if they said these things it would be total hooey. that should have been done in the beginning, after kc maintained it was the invisi-nanny).

again, as had been said so many times before, not ONE WORD about finding the real killer(s) in any of the interviews, huh? interesting.


Sorry. I am drawing a blank this morning Sydney. I don't see how the defense is going to be able to stick with the invis-nanny story. Evidence does not show any phone calls made by Casey or received by Casey from Zanny. Zanny's apartment had been vacant since February 2008 and she did not live there.

Cindy said Casey was threatened and that is why she lied to police. How was she threatened? No threatening emails on Casey's computer and LE has been all over her phone records. Did they meet her in person? Where is the composite sketch of this threatening person? Put notes on her car? Where are they? Sent her snail mail? Where are the letters?

IMO, the defense is going to have a very difficult time explaining to a jury why Casey did not report Caylee missing and why she lied to LE in her written and oral statements.

[jammies]

I agree. I am so curious about seeing if Casey had two driver's licenses, one in Zaneida's name. If so.......that is more huge ammo against her. And knocks the invisi nanny clean out of the park. :thumbsup:


Especially since the state is going for DP I believe they have some slam dunks we know nothing about! Maybe the fake ID is one of them?

[Scampi]

It's beginning to look like jury selection will be EVERYTHING in this case. If the defense can manage to get a solid number of naieve, gullible, not-too-smart folks on the jury their chances of confusing the facts (and the folks) will improve.

I absolutely agree with you Sandy and in this trial, I expect to see the best; either Jo-Ellan Dimitrious or Howard Varinsky. I hope the Prosecution snags Dimitrious. Here is an article on both:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/02/48hours/main620794.shtml

[sydney]

Sorry. I am drawing a blank this morning Sydney.

(snipped by me)

iirc it was attached in support of an affidavit she filed. it was originally missing when the affidavit was filed, but then later attached.

(oh please - don't tell me my memory is leaving me!)

thanks.

[Kathlb]

Me too.
I'm still curious what LE pulled out of Casey's wallet? I'm hoping it was fake ID and wondering who's name Casey's picture was pasted to.
Did Amy report any missing ID? Maybe that's how Casey was able to cash her check at the bank?

Could be, if so I have missed it. I do know that the Pros. doesn't have to turn over all of it's discovery. Not sure what "work product" is. Maybe our legal gals can fill us in on how that works. But they don't have to give their whole case away, so there is ammo we probably won't see until trial. And the licenses could be one item we will see then along with many more. :biggrin:

[Scampi]

Morning Scamp

Here is my interpretation:

Contained in the body of the motion, it also discusses G&C reluctance to visit their daughter for fear the videos would become public. The judged denied that motion so I will assume it would include future visits with family will continue to be recorded.
Did I make sense?

You sure did Doll. In one of the linked articles last night, Bob Keating a commentator on this case said that he expects that the anthonys WILL visit kc sooner, rather then later, even tho the tapes will be running. Interesting.

[puzzler]

Sorry. I am drawing a blank this morning Sydney. I don't see how the defense is going to be able to stick with the invis-nanny story. Evidence does not show any phone calls made by Casey or received by Casey from Zanny. Zanny's apartment had been vacant since February 2008 and she did not live there.

Cindy said Casey was threatened and that is why she lied to police. How was she threatened? No threatening emails on Casey's computer and LE has been all over her phone records. Did they meet her in person? Where is the composite sketch of this threatening person? Put notes on her car? Where are they? Sent her snail mail? Where are the letters?

IMO, the defense is going to have a very difficult time explaining to a jury why Casey did not report Caylee missing and why she lied to LE in her written and oral statements.

BBM The threatened story won't fly either, since they sent messages to all Casey's MySpace and/or Facebook friends saying Caylee was missing.

[Scampi]

I have my concerns over a juror that will taste the koolaide but after listening to Mr Ashton speak last week, I feel confident that the state will be able to erase any doubt in a juror's mind in reference to SODDI theories. There are a lot of statements we have not seen yet and some of the statements from friends that have not been completely released.
Mr. Ashton did not ramble in his talk to the judge. He was straight and to the crust of this case. He spoke with passion and feelings he made me feel scared listening to him. I think he will have an even more so effect come jury time. The rest of his more than qualified team will fill in where he leaves off along with the experts. I think the Scream Team knows they have nothing to really hang their hat on and are just throwing things out there for the state to shoot down. Mr. Ashton shut them down quick last week like rats scurrying when the lights came on they were blown. jmo

I tend to agree with you Jeep, but I will never underestimate the biggest screamer of all, baden. IMO, the more lame the theory she advances, the louder she screams at witnesses and jurors. She will be handling the forensics I think and she will do her best to confuse the jury. Just as she did in Spector One. I just hope we don't have any little wingnuts who fall for her nonsense on that jury.

[Sun]

Good morning everyone. It's a beautiful day, chilly, and the sun is making a grand effort to peek through the clouds as it rises.

I know that DCasey's deposition didn't happen yesterday, but have we heard if he still had to show up and answer questions due to an investigatory subpoena?

[trich]

I just can't imagine how the defense is going to try and prove that
someone other then Casey killed Caylee.
They IMO would have to stick to one person and try to go from there.
Right now it seems they are trying to blame anyone and everyone but
their client.
First it is the Nanny, then Jessie , then Kronk and all the others in
between.
I have to hope the jurers in Florida have some common sense
and can understand the evidence all leads to only one person and that
is Caylee's mom.
IMO you can not dispute that the evidence shows more guilt then innocence , circumstantial or not.
Most evidence is circumstantial unless a boatload of people actually saw the crime happen....and then again witnesses are not always reliable either.

[pixiejoolz]

Good Morning All! :seeya:

From your link: have said they haven't visit their daughter at the jail in a year for fear the videos of their visits will be released to the public and be picked apart by TV commentators.

Poor excuse imo. They could visit and keep their conversations generic. They could talk about the weather, books, football. They could even make a statement at the beginning of the visit "due to this visit may be released to the public, we are not going to discuss anyone in the family or the case".

If they were to keep their visits generic, the the media would not be interested.
jmo


bbm
Ah, but that would defeat their purpose, wouldn't it? The Anthonys are like media sunflowers, turning their heads in whichever direction the camera is located. :sneaky:
jmo

[adair]

Good Morning Everyone!!

Does anyone know what motions Judge Strickland still has to rule on?

tia

[*MoonRider*]

You sure did Doll. In one of the linked articles last night, Bob Keating a commentator on this case said that he expects that the anthonys WILL visit kc sooner, rather then later, even tho the tapes will be running. Interesting.

Let's not forget that the Anthony's have not seen the OC since Caylee's body was found. I wonder if Cindy wants to look into her eyes?

[jammies]

Let's not forget that the Anthony's have not seen the OC since Caylee's body was found. I wonder if Cindy wants to look into her eyes?

The timing of when they stopped visiting is so telling. :wink:

[cassidy]

The timing of when they stopped visiting is so telling. :wink:

Isn't it though? You would have thought they'd have wanted to offer her some comfort at that time. I still think they visit through Jose's computer. But that's JMHO.

[sydney]

sorry to be beating this into the ground, but i FOUND IT! kc's allegation that the invi-nanny exists is in the affidvit attached to the "addendum" to the motion to dismiss the defense filed in october of this year. they forgot to attach an affidavit by kc. here's a link:

http://www.wftv.com/news/21231754/%20http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21231942/detail.html

so, in as late as september/october of this year, kc still maintained that she dropped caylee off with the invisi-nanny.

although the wording is interesting "i did tell law enforcement" - not just "i dropped" my child off.

[Sun]

Good Morning All! :seeya:

From your link: have said they haven't visit their daughter at the jail in a year for fear the videos of their visits will be released to the public and be picked apart by TV commentators.

Poor excuse imo. They could visit and keep their conversations generic. They could talk about the weather, books, football. They could even make a statement at the beginning of the visit "due to this visit may be released to the public, we are not going to discuss anyone in the family or the case".

If they were to keep their visits generic, the the media would not be interested.

jmo

Cindy and George are sticking with that unbelievable excuse, when most folks figure that they don't visit because Casey refuses to visit with them. ITA with your thoughts on the visits.

I still think that Lyon will attempt to create reasonable doubt by throwing Cindy or George out as the killer come trial time.

[Sun]

For those who want to go back in time, here is LE's very first recorded interview with Casey.

http://www.wftv.com/video/17458685/index.html

[pixiejoolz]

Cindy and George are sticking with that unbelievable excuse, when most folks figure that they don't visit because Casey refuses to visit with them. ITA with your thoughts on the visits.

I still think that Lyon will attempt to create reasonable doubt by throwing Cindy or George out as the killer come trial time.

Even if Lyon does that, I think it will be too late. All the prosecution has to do is remind the jury that the story has changed and the accused killer has changed time after time. Invisinanny became invisinanny/Jesse/Amy, who became Kronk, who became Cindy or George. It's really insane, and unless there is a Spector juror #10 (heaven forbid) lurking, I can't believe anyone could buy this nonsense when it is all laid out for them. jmo

[Sun]

sorry to be beating this into the ground, but i FOUND IT! kc's allegation that the invi-nanny exists is in the affidvit attached to the "addendum" to the motion to dismiss the defense filed in october of this year. they forgot to attach an affidavit by kc. here's a link:

http://www.wftv.com/news/21231754/%20http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21231942/detail.html

so, in as late as september/october of this year, kc still maintained that she dropped caylee off with the invisi-nanny.

although the wording is interesting "i did tell law enforcement" - not just "i dropped" my child off.

Casey only swore to something that she "said" and not whether there was any truth to what she said. It's simply a play on words by Casey, and the State brought that up in the courtroom to the Judge.

[ellegna]

The timing of when they stopped visiting is so telling. :wink:

I don't believe it's a coincidence the visits stopped around the time D Casey began to work for the A's. One month later, DC is taped rummaging through the wooded area. Next month poor Caylee is found.
IMO, the A's decided to stop visiting Casey for fear something may slip in conversation what DC was up to. :sneaky:

[sydney]

Casey only swore to something that she "said" and not whether there was any truth to what she said. It's simply a play on words by Casey, and the State brought that up in the courtroom to the Judge.

oh, i know that sun. funny, but we all know an affidavit is a statement sworn to be the truth (except in this case, of course). but it tells me she was still sticking with the invisi-nanny story at that time. what other choice did she have? she couldn't admit that she lied to le and made up the invisi-nanny story, ergo the "creative" language used in the affidavit. i think this will be hit very hard by the prosecution during the trial.

[jammies]

I don't believe it's a coincidence the visits stopped around the time D Casey began to work for the A's. One month later, DC is taped rummaging through the wooded area. Next month poor Caylee is found.
IMO, the A's decided to stop visiting Casey for fear something may slip in conversation what DC was up to. :sneaky:

Exactly. That's what I was alluding to earlier.

[Jeepers]

I tend to agree with you Jeep, but I will never underestimate the biggest screamer of all, baden. IMO, the more lame the theory she advances, the louder she screams at witnesses and jurors. She will be handling the forensics I think and she will do her best to confuse the jury. Just as she did in Spector One. I just hope we don't have any little wingnuts who fall for her nonsense on that jury.

I understand it only takes ONE WINGNUT and that is a scary thought.
I like the word WingNut by the way!
I am hoping that Mr. Ashton and the rest of Team Caylee will continue with their straight forward talk,keeping it simple and understandable that when Ms. Baden starts her screaming and smoke and mirror
A. Lyons with drone and Baez with his spit and sputter they jury will be bedazzled by their nonsense and tune them out. That is my Christmas Wish.

[SandyO]

sorry to be beating this into the ground, but i FOUND IT! kc's allegation that the invi-nanny exists is in the affidvit attached to the "addendum" to the motion to dismiss the defense filed in october of this year. they forgot to attach an affidavit by kc. here's a link:

http://www.wftv.com/news/21231754/%20http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21231942/detail.html

so, in as late as september/october of this year, kc still maintained that she dropped caylee off with the invisi-nanny.

although the wording is interesting "i did tell law enforcement" - not just "i dropped" my child off.

Persistence pays, Sydney, and it proves your point........ Good for you!

[spiritwolf46]

GOOOOOOOD Morning, beautiful people! :seeya:

Anything coming down the pike for today?

[Barbara fl.]

Good Morning All! :seeya:

From your link: have said they haven't visit their daughter at the jail in a year for fear the videos of their visits will be released to the public and be picked apart by TV commentators.

Poor excuse imo. They could visit and keep their conversations generic. They could talk about the weather, books, football. They could even make a statement at the beginning of the visit "due to this visit may be released to the public, we are not going to discuss anyone in the family or the case".

If they were to keep their visits generic, the the media would not be interested.

jmo


Good morning,

You are so right...there is no reson for them not to visit their daughter...I think this whole bit about them not visiting was to try and get ALL the tapes thrown out by the court...If te judge rules that they wont have to be taped then Baez can fight tyo have ALL removed...So I doubt that it will ever happen...

As for the "murder one"/DP being taken off just because there is no cause of death...I do believe that the tape took care of that finding...I did not hear the defense state why the tape would have been there if not used as the murder weapon....

I think it all is very obvious that this IS a "murder one" charge and it will stick....

[Barbara fl.]

I understand it only takes ONE WINGNUT and that is a scary thought.
I like the word WingNut by the way!
I am hoping that Mr. Ashton and the rest of Team Caylee will continue with their straight forward talk,keeping it simple and understandable that when Ms. Baden starts her screaming and smoke and mirror
A. Lyons with drone and Baez with his spit and sputter they jury will be bedazzled by their nonsense and tune them out. That is my Christmas Wish.


Your Christman wish WILL come true this year....I do vthat LKB has met her match here in Florida....Baez doesn't have enough experience to even pose as an attorney....Lyons is going to make a fool of herself in front of all her students who will be watching...

If it wasn't that a prescious little childs life has been taken...this trial would be a comedy act...

[Sun]

Good morning,

You are so right...there is no reson for them not to visit their daughter...I think this whole bit about them not visiting was to try and get ALL the tapes thrown out by the court...If te judge rules that they wont have to be taped then Baez can fight tyo have ALL removed...So I doubt that it will ever happen...

As for the "murder one"/DP being taken off just because there is no cause of death...I do believe that the tape took care of that finding...I did not hear the defense state why the tape would have been there if not used as the murder weapon....

I think it all is very obvious that this IS a "murder one" charge and it will stick....

I think that Cindy is incapable of saying, "I don't visit Casey, because she doesn't want to see me."

[sydney]

i'm still trying to figure out why the defense is arguing to take the dp off the table at this time? i mean, kc is merely accused, not convicted, for one thing. for another, are they asking that the judge supplant the da's office in deciding how to charge or what penalty to seek? are they certain that, if (when) kc is found guilty that the jury will sentence her to death? just because a jury is "death-qualified" doesn't mean they will automatically vote for death. it makes me wonder if they secretly know their client stands no chance for acquittal by proposing that the dp be taken off the table now.

[Sun]

GOOOOOOOD Morning, beautiful people! :seeya:

Anything coming down the pike for today?

I wonder if the defense is scrambling in regards to Judge Strickland's statement that he'd be ordering jurors late this week. The defense has to be prepared to start that process and also get in any last pre-trial motions. Either all that, or they need to make a change of plea. Strickland has lit the fire, and it's going to catch up with them.

[spiritwolf46]

I think that Cindy is capable of saying, "I don't visit Casey, because she doesn't want to see me."

I think that every single bit of the Anthonys is an act! They don't want to see Casey! They only want to be in that court room to make themselved look and feel better. IT'S NOT WORKING!

The whole, running out of the court room thing is the typical faux acting on their part! Well, they will NEVER get a job on Broadway or in movies because they all STINK at acting!

Their show is for nothing but them. I SO agree! IF they truly wanted to see their murderer daughter, they can! Simple as all of that.

FOR CAYLEE :rose:

[Barbara fl.]

oh, i know that sun. funny, but we all know an affidavit is a statement sworn to be the truth (except in this case, of course). but it tells me she was still sticking with the invisi-nanny story at that time. what other choice did she have? she couldn't admit that she lied to le and made up the invisi-nanny story, ergo the "creative" language used in the affidavit. i think this will be hit very hard by the prosecution during the trial.


I doubt very much that Casey can now change her original story that she kept going for so long...it would certainly damage the case completely...

I think they will stick to the nanny story and throw in that the nanny could have passed Caylee off to Kronk, Jessie, Amy, Cindy, George, the neighbors, even Tim Miller....They will stoop to all levels to try and get a hung jury....But it wont work unless the prosecution isn't careful as to who is picked for this jury...because LKB is known to rely on the weak juror or two and the only way she can do that is if she picks that type, and she does have the experience in doing just that....

However, that will not help Casey...all that would do is to bring forth a new trial and LKB, Macaluso, Lyons, Baez, Henry Lee etc. can walk away from this case and keep up their image...Casey would remain in that cell until a new trial where she would be found guilty....Casey will never see the outside world again except from behind bars.....

[Barbara fl.]

I think that Cindy is incapable of saying, "I don't visit Casey, because she doesn't want to see me."

Now, that would probably be the truth...however, we all know that this family does not know how to tell the truth....

[spiritwolf46]

I wonder if the defense is scrambling in regards to Judge Strickland's statement that he'd be ordering jurors late this week. The defense has to be prepared to start that process and also get in any last pre-trial motions. Either all that, or they need to make a change of plea. Strickland has lit the fire, and it's going to catch up with them.

What goes around, comes around, huh? I am SO glad that Strickland DID light that fire!

I am still so dumbfounded that there was not a guilty plea for this trial so they could just focus on the murder trial.

Get all the Scream Team you like, Casey. None of it will help in the long run. 31 DAYS!

[Sun]

Now, that would probably be the truth...however, we all know that this family does not know how to tell the truth....

Can you imagine trying to be a professional counselor for any of the Anthony family members? Whew!

[Silk]

Good Morning Jeepers and all,

Thanks Ellegna!

I'm glad too. I've read two reports that have said he hasn't ruled on whether or not to allow non-taping of the Anthony's visits. I still am not sure if we have that ruled on or not. Jeesh... Sun said yes and I sure hope she is right. The jail said it's law and would need to be changed at the State level. So maybe he has already addressed that and won't change it.

Most of the talking heads on JVM last night said that the Anthonys are hurting Casey's case by going on the media constantly. Of course they are correct and they need to stay home and tend to business and go back to work instead of constantly creating paydays for themselves. And the experts also said that it was all about them, not Casey. Not only are their stupid interviews causing the public to hate them for trading on their beautiful little granddaughter's death, but the broadcasting stations and the shows that have them on are now getting dropped from viewers list of stations that they watch. When it hits them in the pocketbook hard enough, they will stop having them on.
JMHO:thumbdown:

Yes Kath..Frankly I'm getting to the point i change the channel. They sit there and do nothing but peat, peat and repeat.:unsure:

[Silk]

Can you imagine trying to be a professional counselor for any of the Anthony family members? Whew!

Cindy would have the couselor sitting on the couch and she would be sitting behind the desk.:biggrin:

[SandyO]

Yes Kath..Frankly I'm getting to the point i change the channel. They sit there and do nothing but peat, peat and repeat.:unsure:

JVM started her yelling routine again last night and I turned her off. I can see no reason to voluntarily put myself through that.

[Sun]

Cindy would have the couselor sitting on the couch and she would be sitting behind the desk.:biggrin:

Cindy would probably insist that BConway be there.

[Kathlb]

JVM started her yelling routine again last night and I turned her off. I can see no reason to voluntarily put myself through that.

I hate that yelling over each other. It's nutty and drives people away. I also cringe when she puts on a low manly voice and tries to act tough. And yell that people on drugs would drink shoe polish if need be. Fine, just don't yell it at me!!!!!!!!!!!:cursing:

[Lynx]

I know this is an old article...But does anyone know exactly how she is paying for her lawyers? George Anthony said that they were not paying for them in one of his statements.


During the hearing, Anthony herself was sworn in, and testified that she has not signed over any book, movie, or other rights to her attorneys. Baez told the judge he and Anthony's attorney from New York have separate retainer agreements with the 23-year-old.


http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/03/casey-may-have-to-reveal-whos.html#more

[SandyO]

I hate that yelling over each other. It's nutty and drives people away. I also cringe when she puts on a low manly voice and tries to act tough. And yell that people on drugs would drink shoe polish if need be. Fine, just don't yell it at me!!!!!!!!!!!:cursing:

BUT! Have you heard yet that she's been sober for almost fifteen years?

[Dunlurken]

The two interviews LE did with Casey at the very beginning are really all the prosecution needs, IMO. I could convict her on those ALONE even if I didn't know one other thing about this case!

Morning all. And what George and Cindy said will convict Casey as well. smell of decomposition in the car. Who was driving the car? George/Cindy/Lee or Ms. Casey? JMO.

[kakax]

Good Morning All! :seeya:

From your link: have said they haven't visit their daughter at the jail in a year for fear the videos of their visits will be released to the public and be picked apart by TV commentators.

Poor excuse imo. They could visit and keep their conversations generic. They could talk about the weather, books, football. They could even make a statement at the beginning of the visit "due to this visit may be released to the public, we are not going to discuss anyone in the family or the case".

If they were to keep their visits generic, the the media would not be interested.

jmo


Hi Desmom! Missed you around here the past couple of days!!:wub:

[alanna]

Casey refused to see them. It's no secret among them that she murdered Caylee. I think when DC finally speaks the game is up. No more pretending they can't see their daughter, no more pretending Caylee is still alive or "they don't know know WHAT happened", etc.

They've known for a long time. And who is Casey going to blame?

(Odd how the nanny story/search seems to have gone "poof". )

Pretty much what I was going to say. I figured they knew she killed Caylee and that's the real reason they didn't visit Casey. (Such liars, all of um.)imo

[Roux]

Cindy would have the couselor sitting on the couch and she would be sitting behind the desk.:biggrin:

And saying "Do I intimidate you?" :laugh:

[spiritwolf46]

And saying "Do I intimidate you?" :laugh:

That statement just shows her thoughts of herself being above all, doesn't it? :mad:

[alanna]

For those who want to go back in time, here is LE's very first recorded interview with Casey.

http://www.wftv.com/video/17458685/index.html

YES thank you!

[littlee]

In all of this chatting about D Casey I have never seen anyone say what they think he was going to do when he found the body. That is what I am curious about. If he was told it was there and go find it, then what was he supposed to do?

Ths case drives me up the wall just like alot of you. That poor baby should be anxiously waiting for Santa right now. But at least her mother is looking more disgusting everytime we see her. That makes me happy!!

[alanna]

And saying "Do I intimidate you?" :laugh:

Don't you know he wanted to tazer her. baaaaaa :laugh:

[Katprint]

I understand it only takes ONE WINGNUT and that is a scary thought.
I like the word WingNut by the way!
I am hoping that Mr. Ashton and the rest of Team Caylee will continue with their straight forward talk,keeping it simple and understandable that when Ms. Baden starts her screaming and smoke and mirror
A. Lyons with drone and Baez with his spit and sputter they jury will be bedazzled by their nonsense and tune them out. That is my Christmas Wish.
It only takes one wingnut to HANG a jury, then the judge declares a mistrial and the case is retried. This is not really a win if your client is already in pretrial detention (unlike Phil Spector) essentially serving their sentence before having been convicted of any crime. "Life on the installment plan" as they say.

A single wingnut cannot cause an acquittal although it is true that a jury of wingnuts (like the wingnut juries in the Rodney King beaten by police officers case and the OJ Simpson murder case) may acquit an obviously guilty defendant. I wouldn't bet my life - or my client's life - on getting a jury comprised exclusively of utter wingnuts.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[minimarshm]

What goes around, comes around, huh? I am SO glad that Strickland DID light that fire!

I am still so dumbfounded that there was not a guilty plea for this trial so they could just focus on the murder trial.

Get all the Scream Team you like, Casey. None of it will help in the long run. 31 DAYS!



from what I've read from family members and friends, Casey isn't one to admit she's lying so I do not see her copping a plea on anything even if her attys recommend it.

[KatieLady]

In all of this chatting about D Casey I have never seen anyone say what they think he was going to do when he found the body. That is what I am curious about. If he was told it was there and go find it, then what was he supposed to do?
Ths case drives me up the wall just like alot of you. That poor baby should be anxiously waiting for Santa right now. But at least her mother is looking more disgusting everytime we see her. That makes me happy!!

BBM

Call Cindy

IMO

[minimarshm]

I'm listening to Casey's first interview (thanks for the link Sun) and it amazes me that she sounds so every day about all this. No tears, no upset, no nothing, just like it's your average day.

[spiritwolf46]

from what I've read from family members and friends, Casey isn't one to admit she's lying so I do not see her copping a plea on anything even if her attys recommend it.

Good morning!

I agree. But I would think that MOST attorneys would then turn her over to someone else, because her refusal is not for the better HER. But then again, look who we are talking about.

That is a question for you KAT or Lapis. Do some attorneys turn their client over to someone else if they are in "self destruct" mode, such as this?

[spiritwolf46]

BBM

Call Cindy

IMO

Yep! And she and George will take care of it.

[alanna]

I'm listening to Casey's first interview (thanks for the link) and it amazes me that she sounds so every day about all this. No tears, no upset, no nothing, just like it's your average day.

Casey is such a seasoned liar. :thumbdown:

[Januarybaby]

Good Morning All! :seeya:

From your link: have said they haven't visit their daughter at the jail in a year for fear the videos of their visits will be released to the public and be picked apart by TV commentators.

Poor excuse imo. They could visit and keep their conversations generic. They could talk about the weather, books, football. They could even make a statement at the beginning of the visit "due to this visit may be released to the public, we are not going to discuss anyone in the family or the case".

If they were to keep their visits generic, the the media would not be interested.

jmo

My mother and I have said the same thing. If they were to go to see her and talk about the weather, the dogs, movies, etc then what is the problem in seeing their daughter?


I think that she does get to visit them via internet through Baez's webcam. With the way Cindy is, shed put up much more of a fight rather than sit back and be quiet.

[kakax]

Morning Scamp

Here is my interpretation:

Contained in the body of the motion, it also discusses G&C reluctance to visit their daughter for fear the videos would become public. The judged denied that motion so I will assume it would include future visits with family will continue to be recorded.
Did I make sense?

Thinking about it more, how could there be videos to be destroyed if they aren't taping the video visits?

[minimarshm]

also from the original tape:

how is it that everyone Casey knew of who "knew" Zanny moved so many times that she can't keep up with their phone #s.

[trich]

Being we can almost bet the farm that Casey will not get on the stand and testify I wonder how the defense will try and prove that Zenaida killed Caylee. From what I understand Baez or one of the other lawyers can not testify for her ...right?
I mean if she was on the stand then the defense and pros can ask her point blank questions such as ....when was the last time you saw your daughter and did you leave her with Zenaida etc
There is no Zenaida to call to the stand and ask why she took Caylee etc.Are they really going to call Kronk and accuse him of taking and killing Caylee.....I mean can they even prove he had any contact with the child or her mother no less get in the Anthony's house to take
all those items that they found with the body.:shrug:
And on and on it goes.
Wonder how many witnesses they will suggest are responsible.
How are they even going to show some kind of evidence that someone else killed her?

[KatieLady]

Yep! And she and George will take care of it.

......by sending Lee out to do the dirty work IMO

[really3997]

My mother and I have said the same thing. If they were to go to see her and talk about the weather, the dogs, movies, etc then what is the problem in seeing their daughter?


I think that she does get to visit them via internet through Baez's webcam. With the way Cindy is, shed put up much more of a fight rather than sit back and be quiet.

My Christmas wish is that George and Cindy go visit Casey and ask "why did you do it" one sentence thats all.

[Sun]

I'm listening to Casey's first interview (thanks for the link Sun) and it amazes me that she sounds so every day about all this. No tears, no upset, no nothing, just like it's your average day.

ITA, minimarshm. And, here is the second recorded interview of Casey, done at Universal:
http://www.wftv.com/video/17461496/index.html

[spiritwolf46]

There is a Pampers commercial on right now with a lady singing Silent Night, as they show little babies sleeping.

I BAWLED like a darned baby thinking of all of the Caylee Anthonys of this world!

:rose: for them all!

[puzzler]

Being we can almost bet the farm that Casey will not get on the stand and testify I wonder how the defense will try and prove that Zenaida killed Caylee. From what I understand Baez or one of the other lawyers can not testify for her ...right?
I mean if she was on the stand then the defense and pros can ask her point blank questions such as ....when was the last time you saw your daughter and did you leave her with Zenaida etc
There is no Zenaida to call to the stand and ask why she took Caylee etc.Are they really going to call Kronk and accuse him of taking and killing Caylee.....I mean can they even prove he had any contact with the child or her mother no less get in the Anthony's house to take
all those items that they found with the body.:shrug:
And on and on it goes.
Wonder how many witnesses they will suggest are responsible.
How are they even going to show some kind of evidence that someone else killed her?

The defense will not try to prove Zanieda did it. They will do everything they can to dispute the forensics and hope they cast a reasonable doubt. Won't work. The is no way anyone but Casey did this. JMO

[SandyO]

YES thank you!

My God. What a smooth operator Casey is! The lies just roll off her tongue so easily........ She sounded as if she truly believes every word she was saying as she responded to the questions. I don't know how the interviewer managed to stay calm, knowing it was all bunk.

[cassidy]

I know this is an old article...But does anyone know exactly how she is paying for her lawyers? George Anthony said that they were not paying for them in one of his statements.


During the hearing, Anthony herself was sworn in, and testified that she has not signed over any book, movie, or other rights to her attorneys. Baez told the judge he and Anthony's attorney from New York have separate retainer agreements with the 23-year-old.


http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/03/casey-may-have-to-reveal-whos.html#more

What attorney's from New York?

[cassidy]

Thinking about it more, how could there be videos to be destroyed if they aren't taping the video visits?

The old ones. I don't think we have seen all of them ?
:shrug:

[minimarshm]

My God. What a smooth operator Casey is! The lies just roll off her tongue so easily........ She sounded as if she truly believes every word she was saying as she responded to the questions. I don't know how the interviewer managed to stay calm, knowing it was all bunk.

in the second tape, you can hear her voice change a little when they don't believe her. She almost sounds insulted that they don't.

[kakax]

The old ones. I don't think we have seen all of them ?
:shrug:

I don't think they were trying to destroy the old ones but I could be wrong. The horse was already out of the barn on those at least that is how I interpreted it.

[cassidy]

in the second tape, you can hear her voice change a little when they don't believe her. She almost sounds insulted that they don't.

Would have been great if they had been video taped!

[Ladyhawk]

Good Morning All! :seeya:

From your link: have said they haven't visit their daughter at the jail in a year for fear the videos of their visits will be released to the public and be picked apart by TV commentators.

Poor excuse imo. They could visit and keep their conversations generic. They could talk about the weather, books, football. They could even make a statement at the beginning of the visit "due to this visit may be released to the public, we are not going to discuss anyone in the family or the case".

If they were to keep their visits generic, the the media would not be interested.

jmo

Morning all....I think Cindy really wants to visit because she really can't tell how her behavior (cruise, talk shows, makeovers, etc) is affecting Casey. Those 2 were so into one-upping each other throughout their lives that it is driving her nuts (so-to-speak) to have no feedback from her daughter. IMO she's not looking to comfort or support her daughter...she's wanting to deliver her own special brand of punishment.

[cassidy]

I don't think they were trying to destroy the old ones but I could be wrong. The horse was already out of the barn on those at least that is how I interpreted it.

I got the impression that they wanted all videos destroyed, past and future?? I could be wrong too though.

[Sun]

in the second tape, you can hear her voice change a little when they don't believe her. She almost sounds insulted that they don't.

Yes, her tone did change a bit from the first interview to the second one. Can both of these recorded interviews be played for the jury?

[Scampi]

It only takes one wingnut to HANG a jury, then the judge declares a mistrial and the case is retried. This is not really a win if your client is already in pretrial detention (unlike Phil Spector) essentially serving their sentence before having been convicted of any crime. "Life on the installment plan" as they say.

A single wingnut cannot cause an acquittal although it is true that a jury of wingnuts (like the wingnut juries in the Rodney King beaten by police officers case and the OJ Simpson murder case) may acquit an obviously guilty defendant. I wouldn't bet my life - or my client's life - on getting a jury comprised exclusively of utter wingnuts.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

And there it is folks, "Wingnuts 101" as explained by our wonderful inhouse attorney.


:wub:

[alanna]

My God. What a smooth operator Casey is! The lies just roll off her tongue so easily........ She sounded as if she truly believes every word she was saying as she responded to the questions. I don't know how the interviewer managed to stay calm, knowing it was all bunk.

SandyO,
Surprises the hello out of me. I don't believe I've heard anyone lie that well before. lol

[Barbara fl.]

I hate that yelling over each other. It's nutty and drives people away. I also cringe when she puts on a low manly voice and tries to act tough. And yell that people on drugs would drink shoe polish if need be. Fine, just don't yell it at me!!!!!!!!!!!:cursing:


Her yelling and her ill-logic gets to me...At times I think she's off the wagon....."14 years of sobriety as of 2 weeks ago" :blink:

[oswald]

also from the original tape:

how is it that everyone Casey knew of who "knew" Zanny moved so many times that she can't keep up with their phone #s.

This was one of my OMG you got to be kidding moments LOL

Is it normal that people, say your friends, KNOW what carrier your with? Yes I know when people change their phone numbers, but Casey was rattling on how these people change their phone carriers

'Juliet was with Verizon, then she changed to Sprint and her number, then changed to AT&T'

Too much info - lying 101 - give too much info to make you sound like you know what your talking about

[Barbara fl.]

It only takes one wingnut to HANG a jury, then the judge declares a mistrial and the case is retried. This is not really a win if your client is already in pretrial detention (unlike Phil Spector) essentially serving their sentence before having been convicted of any crime. "Life on the installment plan" as they say.

A single wingnut cannot cause an acquittal although it is true that a jury of wingnuts (like the wingnut juries in the Rodney King beaten by police officers case and the OJ Simpson murder case) may acquit an obviously guilty defendant. I wouldn't bet my life - or my client's life - on getting a jury comprised exclusively of utter wingnuts.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions


Are you a defense attorney or a prosecutor?

[Sun]

SandyO,
Surprises the hello out of me. I don't believe I've heard anyone lie that well before. lol

alana, listen very closely in the first interview when Casey talks about Juliet. First she says that Juliet is an event coordinator just like Casey, and that they both work (she said work in the present tense) in the same dept. ....then when LE asks if Casey has Juliet's number, Casey then says she doesn't, and then goes on to say that Juilet no longer works at Universal and that she's moved up north. ...Casey is making this all up as she's being interviewed.

[oswald]

Yes, her tone did change a bit from the first interview to the second one. Can both of these recorded interviews be played for the jury?

If the judge allows it - I'm sure the defense will argue that Casey wasn't arrested for the murder charge at that time and the state will argue that it's relevent for the process of evidence for the murder charge- just like the defense will argue to keep her fraud charges out of the murder trial and the state will argue that these acts should be included - Casey never bought anything for Caylee, proving she knows Caylee was dead at that time - no need to purchase anything for Caylee

[Barbara fl.]

I got the impression that they wanted all videos destroyed, past and future?? I could be wrong too though.


If they would have succeeded in having the future visits not being taped then they would have been able to have the tapes already out removed...that is why I am glad that the judge deneid it....

[Barbara fl.]

alana, listen very closely in the first interview when Casey talks about Juliet. First she says that Juliet is an event coordinator just like Casey, and that they both work (she said work in the present tense) in the same dept. ....then when LE asks if Casey has Juliet's number, Casey then says she doesn't, and then goes on to say that Juilet no longer works at Universal and that she's moved up north. ...Casey is making this all up as she's being interviewed.

Correct on everything you say....her whole life was made up as she went and her parents never called her on her lies, thus enabling her to continue....now Casey becomes infuriated when she is not believed....That showed in the court room just prior to Baez leaning over and wispering to her....

[jammies]

In all of this chatting about D Casey I have never seen anyone say what they think he was going to do when he found the body. That is what I am curious about. If he was told it was there and go find it, then what was he supposed to do?

Ths case drives me up the wall just like alot of you. That poor baby should be anxiously waiting for Santa right now. But at least her mother is looking more disgusting everytime we see her. That makes me happy!!


Ask Cindy. He's her "rock". She was pretty confident he would do anything for her, IMO.

[Barbara fl.]

Morning all....I think Cindy really wants to visit because she really can't tell how her behavior (cruise, talk shows, makeovers, etc) is affecting Casey. Those 2 were so into one-upping each other throughout their lives that it is driving her nuts (so-to-speak) to have no feedback from her daughter. IMO she's not looking to comfort or support her daughter...she's wanting to deliver her own special brand of punishment.


Yes..in her own sick way....

[jammies]

in the second tape, you can hear her voice change a little when they don't believe her. She almost sounds insulted that they don't.

Just like her dear ole mom.

[Barbara fl.]

I'm listening to Casey's first interview (thanks for the link Sun) and it amazes me that she sounds so every day about all this. No tears, no upset, no nothing, just like it's your average day.

That's because it probably was an average day to her....If it wasn't she would never have been able to go out partying while her daughter's body was laying in a sump that she put her in....

Casey will get what is cming to her...already a year and a half has passed...I'm sure she realizes by now that her end is nearing.....When that "guilty" verdict is read there will be drama all over the court room from those Anthony's....

I can no wait...:biggrin:

[Scampi]

alana, listen very closely in the first interview when Casey talks about Juliet. First she says that Juliet is an event coordinator just like Casey, and that they both work (she said work in the present tense) in the same dept. ....then when LE asks if Casey has Juliet's number, Casey then says she doesn't, and then goes on to say that Juilet no longer works at Universal and that she's moved up north. ...Casey is making this all up as she's being interviewed.

Yes, that is a very incriminating interview and as you say she is making it up as she goes along.

IMO, it absolutely will come into this trial, along with her other interview at Universal.

Besides all the other circumstantial evidence in this case, casey anthony's own lies told to the Detectives whose only mission on 7/15-7/16 was to look for a missing Caylee, will convict her.

[Lapis]

Good morning!

I agree. But I would think that MOST attorneys would then turn her over to someone else, because her refusal is not for the better HER. But then again, look who we are talking about.

That is a question for you KAT or Lapis. Do some attorneys turn their client over to someone else if they are in "self destruct" mode, such as this?

The decision whether to take a plea always rests with the client. The only thing an attorney can do to protect him/herself is to have the client sign something indicating that the client is refusing the plea despite the attorney's advice. This would protect the attorney should the client sue for malpractice or if the client later claims the attorney did not advise them properly.

Clients do not always act in their own best interests. As an attorney you have to take the client as you find them. The retainer agreement may provides for the circumstances under which the attorney may withdraw. While my retainer agreement does provide that I may withdraw if the client fails to follow my advice; I sincerely doubt that the court would allow me to withdraw simply because the client insists upon taking a case to trial. (It is always in my best interest for the client to take a plea because my retainer provides for a minimum fee paid in advance, the less work I do the more money I make)

Difficult clients are part of the practice of law. Unfortunately, when the case is taken on you have no way of knowing how difficult the client will be. If they refuse a reasonable plea, then you do the best you can at trial. There are so many variables in a trial that, in fact, you may do much better than expected. I have won cases I should have lost and lost cases I should have won. This is true of any attorney with trial experience. That uncertainty is the reason why cases settle and plea bargains are made. It brings a certain amount of certainty to a very uncertain process.

The criminal bar is a very small community. If you get a reputation as an attorney who always strong arms the client into taking a plea, then the prosecution will offer less than if you have the reputation of a willingness to take cases to trial. Bad plea deals are never in the best interest of the client. You will also not get referrals from clients or other attorneys.

JMO

[WillowInFlight]

Just got here, any word on the DP motion?

[jammies]

Just got here, any word on the DP motion?

Not yet, Willow.

[SandyO]

SandyO,
Surprises the hello out of me. I don't believe I've heard anyone lie that well before. lol

She's the best. She almost had me believing her, and I've known the truth for over a year now. The detectives couldn't have known how skilled she was, and WE certainly couldn't have known, but Cindy and George knew. They knew.

[WillowInFlight]

Not yet, Willow.

Thanks Jammies, your nic always makes me feel cozy. LOL

[spiritwolf46]

The decision whether to take a plea always rests with the client. The only thing an attorney can do to protect him/herself is to have the client sign something indicating that the client is refusing the plea despite the attorney's advice. This would protect the attorney should the client sue for malpractice or if the client later claims the attorney did not advise them properly.

Clients do not always act in their own best interests. As an attorney you have to take the client as you find them. The retainer agreement may provides for the circumstances under which the attorney may withdraw. While my retainer agreement does provide that I may withdraw if the client fails to follow my advice; I sincerely doubt that the court would allow me to withdraw simply because the client insists upon taking a case to trial. (It is always in my best interest for the client to take a plea because my retainer provides for a minimum fee paid in advance, the less work I do the more money I make)

Difficult clients are part of the practice of law. Unfortunately, when the case is taken on you have no way of knowing how difficult the client will be. If they refuse a reasonable plea, then you do the best you can at trial. There are so many variables in a trial that, in fact, you may do much better than expected. I have won cases I should have lost and lost cases I should have won. This is true of any attorney with trial experience. That uncertainty is the reason why cases settle and plea bargains are made. It brings a certain amount of certainty to a very uncertain process.

The criminal bar is a very small community. If you get a reputation as an attorney who always strong arms the client into taking a plea, then the prosecution will offer less than if you have the reputation of a willingness to take cases to trial. Bad plea deals are never in the best interest of the client. You will also not get referrals from clients or other attorneys.

JMO

I won't snip this, for I think that it is important. I thank you SO very much for this!

[alanna]

alana, listen very closely in the first interview when Casey talks about Juliet. First she says that Juliet is an event coordinator just like Casey, and that they both work (she said work in the present tense) in the same dept. ....then when LE asks if Casey has Juliet's number, Casey then says she doesn't, and then goes on to say that Juilet no longer works at Universal and that she's moved up north. ...Casey is making this all up as she's being interviewed.

:scared: No way! I guess she had to make it up as she went a long but she didn't even stutter, never seemed to pause for her next lie. lol
Going to listen to it again. :thumbsup:

[alanna]

She's the best. She almost had me believing her, and I've known the truth for over a year now. The detectives couldn't have known how skilled she was, and WE certainly couldn't have known, but Cindy and George knew. They knew.

That is why I don't understand them believing her every word. They know she's a consummate liar. What am I saying? I feel pretty certain G&C know what Casey did to Caylee. They know she's lying. Heck, I'm confusing myself. lol

[Sun]

:scared: No way! I guess she had to make it up as she went a long but she didn't even stutter, never seemed to pause for her next lie. lol
Going to listen to it again. :thumbsup:

chuckles.... I have to go back and re-listen numerous times, as I'm usually multi-tasking. And, it's a big eye opener to go back and review the very first 400-page doc dump. Several different LE officers/detectives provided statements and Baez/Lyon haven't even bothered to take those people's depositions.

[cassidy]

:scared: No way! I guess she had to make it up as she went a long but she didn't even stutter, never seemed to pause for her next lie. lol
Going to listen to it again. :thumbsup:

She's a gifted liar. Years of practice got her there.

JMO

[alanna]

chuckles.... I have to go back and re-listen numerous times, as I'm usually multi-tasking. And, it's a big eye opener to go back and review the very first 400-page doc dump. Several different LE officers/detectives provided statements and Baez/Lyon haven't even bothered to take those people's depositions.

You've encouraged me to do just that.:thumbup:

[SandyO]

That is why I don't understand them believing her every word. They know she's a consummate liar. What am I saying? I feel pretty certain G&C know what Casey did to Caylee. They know she's lying. Heck, I'm confusing myself. lol

I know exactly what you mean, and I am 100% sure they DO know the truth. They don't believe Casey about any of this, and the huge mystery to me is WHY they insist on pretending they do ---- and making such a public display of attempting to convince us the believe her.

[eastside joe]

My God. What a smooth operator Casey is! The lies just roll off her tongue so easily........ She sounded as if she truly believes every word she was saying as she responded to the questions. I don't know how the interviewer managed to stay calm, knowing it was all bunk.

Yes the lies do roll off her toungue but those lies are so incredulous that she is anything but "a smooth operator" or a "gifted liar". To insinuate that she was smooth or gifted as a liar IMO means she is effective at fooling people. She has fooled no one, not even Cindy, George or Lee. IMO

Nor is she "sly like a fox" or a good "actress"

IMO

[Tillywoo]

I know this is off the topic, I've been unable to be on the computer for the past week.

During the last hearing, just before Casey began to cry, her attorney whispered something to her. It bothers me, each time I see this because I feel he might have told her to show emotion.

Has this been discussed here already? If so, please excuse me.
:blushing:

[ellegna]

:scared: No way! I guess she had to make it up as she went a long but she didn't even stutter, never seemed to pause for her next lie. lol
Going to listen to it again. :thumbsup:

IMO, Casey knew it was a matter of time before she had to explain where Caylee was. She knew her days were numbered and most likely went over various scenarios in her head.
I don't believe she lied as she went along. She already knew what she was going to say. She had 31 days to prepare.

[AMS]

I know this is off the topic, I've been unable to be on the computer for the past week.

During the last hearing, just before Casey began to cry, her attorney whispered something to her. It bothers me, each time I see this because I feel he might have told her to show emotion.

Has this been discussed here already? If so, please excuse me.
:blushing:


Hi Tillywoo - I think you will find this link intersting. Dr. Lillian Glass, body language expert, talks about this.

http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/2009/12/16/casey-anthony%E2%80%99s-body-language-in-recent-court-appearance-looks-like-the-fake-tears-and-emotion-of-sociopath/

[KatieLady]

I know this is off the topic, I've been unable to be on the computer for the past week.

During the last hearing, just before Casey began to cry, her attorney whispered something to her. It bothers me, each time I see this because I feel he might have told her to show emotion.

Has this been discussed here already? If so, please excuse me.
:blushing:

Yes.....IMO JB saw her starting to get mad and told her to cry instead

[Sun]

http://www.wftv.com/blank/18908568/detail.html

Way back in March 2009, Casey made a point to include her own hand-written statement on a motion that was filed by Baez. She wrote, "I believe that Mr. Ashton is angry because I have refused to take a plea agreement for a crime that I DID NOT commit.

And, in the courtroom last Friday, Ashton rattled Casey once again. :thumbsup:

[Scampi]

Yes.....IMO JB saw her starting to get mad and told her to cry instead

That entire scene at the hearing tells me that baez and lyon are
concerned that their client is capable of displaying inappropriate emotions in the courtroom.

The more I review the tape I can see her balling up her fists, and making an angry face - which is when baez leans over to her and lyon grasps her arm.

casey anthony does not know how to control herself and baez and lyon have a difficult time controlling her also.

This is the reason why no one is allowed to visit, they cannot trust casey anthony not to further damage her image. She doesn't have a clue how to act or react as a normal human being. IMO.

[spiritwolf46]

Hi Tillywoo - I think you will find this link intersting. Dr. Lillian Glass, body language expert, talks about this.

http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/2009/12/16/casey-anthony%E2%80%99s-body-language-in-recent-court-appearance-looks-like-the-fake-tears-and-emotion-of-sociopath/

Thanks for this link, AMS! This is the first that I have seen it and read it. It is SO interesting and right on the money with what we were all saying at the very moment she was doing it!

There is no doubt that a jury, who will be sitting right there, will see right through her charade!

[jammies]

http://www.wftv.com/blank/18908568/detail.html

Way back in March 2009, Casey made a point to include her own hand-written statement on a motion that was filed by Baez. She wrote, "I believe that Mr. Ashton is angry because I have refused to take a plea agreement for a crime that I DID NOT commit.

And, in the courtroom last Friday, Ashton rattled Casey once again. :thumbsup:


I get so much pleasure watching her get rattled and then faking tears. Then watching her parents basically do the exact same thing. Ashton knows exactly what buttons to push to send them into motion! Go Ashton! :biggrin:

[AMS]

That entire scene at the hearing tells me that baez and lyon are
concerned that their client is capable of displaying inappropriate emotions in the courtroom.

The more I review the tape I can see her balling up her fists, and making an angry face - which is when baez leans over to her and lyon grasps her arm.

casey anthony does not know how to control herself and baez and lyon have a difficult time controlling her also.

This is the reason why no one is allowed to visit, they cannot trust casey anthony not to further damage her image. She doesn't have a clue how to act or react as a normal human being. IMO.

I can't wait to see her act out in front of a jury!!! Wait until she responds to seeing Cindy on the witness stand. It will be courtroom watching at its best. :w00t:


imo

[Tillywoo]

Thank you SO much for the responses. I can't get the thought out of my mind "Okay Casey, a normal person would cry hearing these things"

When she say's MAKE HIM STOP....maybe she was having trouble keeping up the emotion.

[jammies]

That entire scene at the hearing tells me that baez and lyon are
concerned that their client is capable of displaying inappropriate emotions in the courtroom.

The more I review the tape I can see her balling up her fists, and making an angry face - which is when baez leans over to her and lyon grasps her arm.

casey anthony does not know how to control herself and baez and lyon have a difficult time controlling her also.

This is the reason why no one is allowed to visit, they cannot trust casey anthony not to further damage her image. She doesn't have a clue how to act or react as a normal human being. IMO.


She reacts to Ashton just like she does to her parents. Will be a not to be missed trial with her parents sitting there and Ashton tweaking her! (and the A's) All that drama and pent up RAGE waiting to blow!

[Scampi]

http://www.wftv.com/blank/18908568/detail.html

Way back in March 2009, Casey made a point to include her own hand-written statement on a motion that was filed by Baez. She wrote, "I believe that Mr. Ashton is angry because I have refused to take a plea agreement for a crime that I DID NOT commit.

And, in the courtroom last Friday, Ashton rattled Casey once again. :thumbsup:

I have full faith in both Jeff and Linda, to continue to rattle the defendant, her desperate defense team and adoring parents.

IMO

[spiritwolf46]

I have full faith in both Jeff and Linda, to continue to rattle the defendant, her desperate defense team and adoring parents.

IMO


Me, too! Casey is a LIVE bomb and she will go off! There is little that any of her scream team can do to keep that from happening.

[Steps]

She's a gifted liar. Years of practice got her there.

JMO

While her parents kept a "blind eye"!

[Scampi]

AMS and Jammies, I cannot wait for Jesse Grund, Anthony Lazzaro, Annie Downing and Amy Huzienga to roll to the stand. Must see TV on those days. Having to watch her contemporaries bring the Hammer down is not going to be fun for casey.

Bella Vita Baby!

[court~critic1®]

I have full faith in both Jeff and Linda, to continue to rattle the defendant, her desperate defense team and adoring parents.

IMO



I concur Scampi!!!!!! When they do, Miss Anthony and C&C Anthony are going to erupt like "Old Faithful". What a sight that will be.



safe one!

[Scampi]

Me, too! Casey is a LIVE bomb and she will go off! There is little that any of her scream team can do to keep that from happening.

I supposed baden and lyon could position the defendant between them and when she acts up they could just squeeze together........... :biggrin:

[Scampi]

I concur Scampi!!!!!! When they do, Miss Anthony and C&C Anthony are going to erupt like "Old Faithful". What a sight that will be.



safe one!

"Old Faithful".........lol. I bet we say "There she blows" more then once during this trial CC1!!!

:seeya:

[Sun]

I can't wait to see her act out in front of a jury!!! Wait until she responds to seeing Cindy on the witness stand. It will be courtroom watching at its best. :w00t:

imo

Lyon has no idea how Casey will react when faced with her parents testifying. It's been quite a long time since Casey has really had to face them. Casey's reactions in front of a Jury will make an impact. So far, she's not had to face a Jury, but that day will come.

[Sun]

I supposed baden and lyon could position the defendant between them and when she acts up they could just squeeze together........... :biggrin:

Did you all notice the rather beefy security guard that sat just behind and to the left of Casey? I'd say that he was in position to quickly be able to detain Casey should she attempt to flee or attack. :biggrin:

[court~critic1®]

AMS and Jammies, I cannot wait for Jesse Grund, Anthony Lazzaro, Annie Downing and Amy Huzienga to roll to the stand. Must see TV on those days. Having to watch her contemporaries bring the Hammer down is not going to be fun for casey.

Bella Vita Baby!


May I ask if it was Annie Downing we heard on a statement video, that we discussed, how much she used words like, and spoke like Casey???? Or am I mixing that video with another one?


TIA"

[spiritwolf46]

I supposed baden and lyon could position the defendant between them and when she acts up they could just squeeze together........... :biggrin:

LOL! What would be SWEET is to see the OC throw such a tantrum and try to do a Cindy and leave, her getting tazed or landed on by a flying Court Guard!

I think I need to write a letter to Santa.......

[cassidy]

LOL! What would be SWEET is to see the OC throw such a tantrum and try to do a Cindy and leave, her getting tazed or landed on by a flying Court Guard!

I think I need to write a letter to Santa.......

Actually I'd like to see the Baden/Lyon squeeze :)

[Steps]

AMS and Jammies, I cannot wait for Jesse Grund, Anthony Lazzaro, Annie Downing and Amy Huzienga to roll to the stand. Must see TV on those days. Having to watch her contemporaries bring the Hammer down is not going to be fun for casey.

Bella Vita Baby!

There are alot of witnesses that I am waiting to see, but Cindy tops them all. Wonder if she'll give Brad her famous little wink when she THINKS she's outsmarted the prosecution with one of her lies? The woman's a loose cannon!!

[spiritwolf46]

Lyon has no idea how Casey will react when faced with her parents testifying. It's been quite a long time since Casey has really had to face them. Casey's reactions in front of a Jury will make an impact. So far, she's not had to face a Jury, but that day will come.

Are we able to watch the fraud trial? Is so, this may be a window of things to come. After all, Casey is NOT one to be guilty of anything!

[Sun]

AMS and Jammies, I cannot wait for Jesse Grund, Anthony Lazzaro, Annie Downing and Amy Huzienga to roll to the stand. Must see TV on those days. Having to watch her contemporaries bring the Hammer down is not going to be fun for casey.

Bella Vita Baby!

I wonder if the State will put every single lover of Casey's on the stand, at least those in the months of May, June and July? Casey made statement to them about Caylee's whereabouts, so it's a possibility. How many was that, did anyone ever count?

[Scampi]

Did you all notice the rather beefy security guard that sat just behind and to the left of Casey? I'd say that he was in position to quickly be able to detain Casey should she attempt to flee or attack. :biggrin:

Yep, when court adjourns the blond female guard goes to casey and the beefy one goes to the swinggate to the well and stands there to make sure no one(parents) rushes to the defendant. IMO.

[spiritwolf46]

Actually I'd like to see the Baden/Lyon squeeze :)

Plenty of time for both! Both in my Santa letter.

[jammies]

AMS and Jammies, I cannot wait for Jesse Grund, Anthony Lazzaro, Annie Downing and Amy Huzienga to roll to the stand. Must see TV on those days. Having to watch her contemporaries bring the Hammer down is not going to be fun for casey.

Bella Vita Baby!

Yep, cept I'm not so sure about AD. Always felt she was holding something back.

[neid_77]

Do y'all think we will be hearing anything from the defense after the last court date..knowing Christmas and New Years is coming up? you think they will say file anything or just prepare for their loss in the fraud case...still can't believe they are pushing forward with this just a stall tactic if you ask me.

[Scampi]

May I ask if it was Annie Downing we heard on a statement video, that we discussed, how much she used words like, and spoke like Casey???? Or am I mixing that video with another one?


TIA"

I think you're right Court, it was Annie.

[Sun]

May I ask if it was Annie Downing we heard on a statement video, that we discussed, how much she used words like, and spoke like Casey???? Or am I mixing that video with another one?


TIA"

It was either Amy or Annie. I'm leaning towards Amy, but it's been quite some time since I've listened to their interviews. I just don't know.

[spiritwolf46]

I wonder if the State will put every single lover of Casey's on the stand, at least those in the months of May, June and July? Casey made statement to them about Caylee's whereabouts, so it's a possibility. How many was that, did anyone ever count?

I hope so! Sure would show her thought process and importance in life, wouldn't it?

[WillowInFlight]

I hope so! Sure would show her thought process and importance in life, wouldn't it?

By the same token, I wonder how many will say what a great mom she was?

[Sun]

I hope so! Sure would show her thought process and importance in life, wouldn't it?

A "good mom" surely wouldn't be doing so much sleeping around with so many different men. And, some of those trashy txtmsgs also gives an insight into her thoughts at the time.

[spiritwolf46]

A "good mom" surely wouldn't be doing so much sleeping around with so many different men. And, some of those trashy txtmsgs also gives an insight into her thoughts at the time.

Yep! My point, exactly.

I think she is toast.

[Scampi]

I wonder if the State will put every single lover of Casey's on the stand, at least those in the months of May, June and July? Casey made statement to them about Caylee's whereabouts, so it's a possibility. How many was that, did anyone ever count?

There will be a parade of them for sure:

Jesse Grund
Brian (miscarriage)
Rusticano (police officer, heard snotnose remark)
Anthony Lazarro
Ricardo

I'm sure I am missing some.

[WillowInFlight]

A "good mom" surely wouldn't be doing so much sleeping around with so many different men. And, some of those trashy txtmsgs also gives an insight into her thoughts at the time.

ITA. That's why I wonder how many will say that.

[ruth66]

There will be a parade of them for sure:

Jesse Grund
Brian (miscarriage)
Rusticano (police officer, heard snotnose remark)
Anthony Lazarro
Ricardo

I'm sure I am missing some.

Will Waters as well

[Kathlb]

BUT! Have you heard yet that she's been sober for almost fifteen years?

Unfortunately I have heard that more than 100 times. I congratulate her on that but I think she just may need some calming drugs from her dr. :lol:

[Sun]

There will be a parade of them for sure:

Jesse Grund
Brian (miscarriage)
Rusticano (police officer, heard snotnose remark)
Anthony Lazarro
Ricardo

I'm sure I am missing some.

Jesse Grund
Brian (miscarriage)
Rusticano (police officer, heard snotnose remark)
Anthony Lazarro
Ricardo
Will Waters
Chris

I've added a couple to your list, Scampi, but am not sure this is all.

[cassidy]

Jesse Grund
Brian (miscarriage)
Rusticano (police officer, heard snotnose remark)
Anthony Lazarro
Ricardo
Will Waters
Chris

I've added a couple to your list, but am not sure this is all.

How about the marine in Ca?? (name escapes me right now).

[ellegna]

Jesse Grund
Brian (miscarriage)
Rusticano (police officer, heard snotnose remark)
Anthony Lazarro
Ricardo
Will Waters
Chris

I've added a couple to your list, but am not sure this is all.

What about Mark Hawkins?

[cassidy]

What about Mark Hawkins?

Yep he's the Marine :)

[tmw]

IS LKB still on the defense team? (JVM's "Dream Team")

[Sun]

Is Macaluso still on the defense team?

[*MoonRider*]

Unfortunately I have heard that more than 100 times. I congratulate her on that but I think she just may need some calming drugs from her dr. :lol:

She's so annoying now can you imagine how bad she was when she was drunk. :biggrin:

[jammies]

Will Waters as well

That California guy. May not have slept with her during those months but she was in contact and had some important to tell him.

[Kathlb]

There is a Pampers commercial on right now with a lady singing Silent Night, as they show little babies sleeping.

I BAWLED like a darned baby thinking of all of the Caylee Anthonys of this world!

:rose: for them all!

It's getting pretty bad when we sob at diaper commercials. Snap out of it girl!!! (but I know what you mean...same here. :sad:

[jammies]

How about the marine in Ca?? (name escapes me right now).

I should have read before posting, cass!

[Ladygator]

Afternoon, everyone!

I was just clicking around reading news and seen the story of a Judge over there in the Orlando area giving a death sentence to a man who killed 3 people. The jury recommended life, but the Judge said the man deserves to die for KILLING THE CHILD.

I don't know the full back story on the case but the article said the murders were drug related.

If the Judge is able to sentence this man to death for the killing of this child, then surely Casey can be sentenced to death for killing her baby. IMO

[really3997]

There will be a parade of them for sure:

Jesse Grund
Brian (miscarriage)
Rusticano (police officer, heard snotnose remark)
Anthony Lazarro
Ricardo

I'm sure I am missing some.

IIRC I believe the line goes from here to Ohio. :w00t: fyi I think Brandon is the miscarriage guy.

[Scampi]

Thanks for the corrections and additions everybody!!

The Parade

Jesse Grund
Brandon(miscarriage)
Rusticano (police officer, heard snotnose remark)
Anthony Lazarro
Ricardo
Will Waters
Chris
Mark Hawkins

[ladeebug565]

Good Morning All! :seeya:

From your link: have said they haven't visit their daughter at the jail in a year for fear the videos of their visits will be released to the public and be picked apart by TV commentators.

Poor excuse imo. They could visit and keep their conversations generic. They could talk about the weather, books, football. They could even make a statement at the beginning of the visit "due to this visit may be released to the public, we are not going to discuss anyone in the family or the case".

If they were to keep their visits generic, the the media would not be interested.

jmo


Casey is not giving her parents so much as a wink or a nod in the courtroom. If she were a better actress, she'd show them how much she really cared, how much the 14-month separation is unfairly cruel. Perhaps Baez could walk into court with her next time and cue her to act like she is glad the 'rents are in the audience.

At least with a wink and a nod, Cindy would know how much Casey appreciates the puffy sleeved faux satin shirt that Cindy found for her at the 80's retro shop.

[ruth66]

That California guy. May not have slept with her during those months but she was in contact and had some important to tell him.

I believe the california guy was Mark Hawkins. Will Waters was a friend of Amy's I believe.

[court~critic1®]

Thanks for the corrections and additions everybody!!

The Parade

Jesse Grund
Brandon(miscarriage)
Rusticano (police officer, heard snotnose remark)
Anthony Lazarro
Ricardo
Will Waters
Chris
Mark Hawkins


These are just the ones we know of. I am quite sure there are many, many more we know nothing about.

[spiritwolf46]

It's getting pretty bad when we sob at diaper commercials. Snap out of it girl!!! (but I know what you mean...same here. :sad:

Thanks for SNAP! Sheesh! It is sad, isn't it? ;)

[Steps]

Afternoon, everyone!

I was just clicking around reading news and seen the story of a Judge over there in the Orlando area giving a death sentence to a man who killed 3 people. The jury recommended life, but the Judge said the man deserves to die for KILLING THE CHILD.

I don't know the full back story on the case but the article said the murders were drug related.

If the Judge is able to sentence this man to death for the killing of this child, then surely Casey can be sentenced to death for killing her baby. IMO

Wow! That's something!! I didn't think a judge could upgrade from life to death, only lower a jurys verdict from death penalty to life. Death penalty for killing a child!! Wonder if Casey hears that on her little radio in her cell!!! I hope so!!!

[Sun]

Now that the Judge has ruled that the State is allowed to charge Casey with all 13 counts, and that Casey will go to trial for all 13 counts, do you think that Casey will now change her plea? Or will she take this all the way through to a trial, for the criminal check/fraud charges?

If Casey does take this to trial, is there anything that might come into evidence that might affect the length of sentence that the Judge might impose? Could Casey get more time if she follows through with a trial, rather than just changing her plea now before evidence is presented to the court?

[kakax]

Wow! That's something!! I didn't think a judge could upgrade from life to death, only lower a jurys verdict from death penalty to life. Death penalty for killing a child!! Wonder if Casey hears that on her little radio in her cell!!! I hope so!!!


I didn't either. I thought that the Supreme Court ruled that a judge wasn't allowed to impose the death penalty. I must have completely misunderstood that ruling a few years ago! Maybe it just meant that a jury has to be seated and you can't have a trial with just a judge?

Very interesting LadyGator!

[Ladygator]

Wow! That's something!! I didn't think a judge could upgrade from life to death, only lower a jurys verdict from death penalty to life. Death penalty for killing a child!! Wonder if Casey hears that on her little radio in her cell!!! I hope so!!!

Yeah, I also hope she hears about it on her radio. The Judge can go either way. I can't think of a case off hand but I've seen it done in the past. {Both ways}

Here is the link to the story.

http://www.wesh.com/news/21991218/detail.html

ETA - I just re-read the story and misconstueeed what it said. The jury recommended life for one killing, and death for the other 2. Including the child. Sorry guys, this statement is what stood out to me when i first read it -

'In the judge's order, he said it is clear that Hamilton and Heyne were selling drugs and that the killings were a dispute over money that got out of hand. The judge said only Ivory's murder called for death.'

[kakax]

Now that the Judge has ruled that the State is allowed to charge Casey with all 13 counts, and that Casey will go to trial for all 13 counts, do you think that Casey will now change her plea? Or will she take this all the way through to a trial, for the criminal check/fraud charges?

If Casey does take this to trial, is there anything that might come into evidence that might affect the length of sentence that the Judge might impose? Could Casey get more time if she follows through with a trial, rather than just changing her plea now before evidence is presented to the court?

I think they might change the plea in the check case, even though I desperately wish they would take it to trial.

[seeing_eye]

Casey is not giving her parents so much as a wink or a nod in the courtroom. If she were a better actress, she'd show them how much she really cared, how much the 14-month separation is unfairly cruel. Perhaps Baez could walk into court with her next time and cue her to act like she is glad the 'rents are in the audience.

At least with a wink and a nod, Cindy would know how much Casey appreciates the puffy sleeved faux satin shirt that Cindy found for her at the 80's retro shop.

I think it may be a possibility that Casey's attitude toward her parents may be due to advice from her defense attorneys. I'm pretty sure they have instructed Casey not to accept visits from her family and may possibly have also instructed her to ignore them in court. They may have a tentative plan to divert blame from Casey to her parents in the guilt phase of the trial and/or in the penalty phase. JMO

[kakax]

Yeah, I also hope she hears about it on her radio. The Judge can go either way. I can't think of a case off hand but I've seen it done in the past. {Both ways}

Here is the link to the story.

http://www.wesh.com/news/21991218/detail.html

ETA - I just re-read the story and misconstueeed what it said. The jury recommended life for one killing, and death for the other 2. Including the child. Sorry guys, this statement is what stood out to me when i first read it -

'In the judge's order, he said it is clear that Hamilton and Heyne were selling drugs and that the killings were a dispute over money that got out of hand. The judge said only Ivory's murder called for death.'

Fascinating! I hope she hears it on her transistor radio too!!!! I don't care if she gets the death penalty. Just the thought of having it on the table right now is punishment enough for me!

[kakax]

I think it may be a possibility that Casey's attitude toward her parents may be due to advice from her defense attorneys. I'm pretty sure they have instructed Casey not to accept visits from her family and may possibly have also instructed her to ignore them in court. They may have a tentative plan to divert blame from Casey to her parents in the guilt phase of the trial and/or in the penalty phase. JMO

Hi SeeingEye! You may be right. She can't act like she has been tortured by them for years if she is smiling at them in court. I do think living with Cindy was miserable, but it's not an excuse to kill your child.

[ladeebug565]

Morning all....I think Cindy really wants to visit because she really can't tell how her behavior (cruise, talk shows, makeovers, etc) is affecting Casey. Those 2 were so into one-upping each other throughout their lives that it is driving her nuts (so-to-speak) to have no feedback from her daughter. IMO she's not looking to comfort or support her daughter...she's wanting to deliver her own special brand of punishment.

Right, remember in Casey's phone call from jail to the Anthony home? Her first words to her mother weren't "get me out of here" or "help me, they have the wrong person", but "I saw your little cameo on TV". Casey was instanty jealous that her mother was on TV.

[really3997]

By the same token, I wonder how many will say what a great mom she was?

Ok I might just off my rocker here but I am willing to bet that everyone of the parents of these 20 something years old got with their children and gave them a live lesson that scared them into next week. Sure none of them will sing Casey's praise. But that might just be me. I know what I would have done if my children were in the middle of this. JMO

[Sun]

I think they might change the plea in the check case, even though I desperately wish they would take it to trial.

I guess that I just can't imagine Casey going through a whole trial on the criminal check/fraud charges. Not with the evidence against her.

She sure didn't have fun in the courtroom this last Friday. But would Casey be so angry at the State, that she'd put them through the expense of a trial just because she doesn't want to make it easy for them?

[really3997]

I guess that I just can't imagine Casey going through a whole trial on the criminal check/fraud charges. Not with the evidence against her.

She sure didn't have fun in the courtroom this last Friday. But would Casey be so angry at the State, that she'd put them through the expense of a trial just because she doesn't want to make it easy for them?

:seeya: yes

[Ladygator]

Right, remember in Casey's phone call from jail to the Anthony home? Her first words to her mother weren't "get me out of here" or "help me, they have the wrong person", but "I saw your little cameo on TV". Casey was instanty jealous that her mother was on TV.

Paraphrasing Cindy - Your blaming me, darling, for you being in there. You shouldn't HAVE LIED TO POLICE.

Casey "Not my fault":blink:

[ish]

Did you all notice the rather beefy security guard that sat just behind and to the left of Casey? I'd say that he was in position to quickly be able to detain Casey should she attempt to flee or attack. :biggrin:

I thought he was there in case Cindy couldn't control herself!! Who knew he was there for Casey...:lol:

[seeing_eye]

I think they might change the plea in the check case, even though I desperately wish they would take it to trial.

Kakax, I'm going to be really surprised if Casey changes her plea in the fraud case. My impression of Casey is that she will tenaciously hold onto any lie or denial of any wrongdoing despite the evidence to the contrary. I really think she intends to go through with this fraud trial claiming that Amy had given her permission to use the checks while Amy was on her trip. MOO

[really3997]

Paraphrasing Cindy - Your blaming me, darling, for you being in there. You shouldn't HAVE LIED TO POLICE.

Casey "Not my fault":blink:

well now don't forget first she said "Which one I've done like 4":rolleyes:

[ish]

Will Waters as well

I don't think Will Waters ever met Caylee, I thought Caey only met him on the fouth of July weekend. Tony Lazarro only ever saw Caylee 3 or 4times. Annie, Amy, Jessie they can say more about their interactions but then Casey hadn't seen Annie since I think Caylee's previous bday.

[ladeebug565]

I think it may be a possibility that Casey's attitude toward her parents may be due to advice from her defense attorneys. I'm pretty sure they have instructed Casey not to accept visits from her family and may possibly have also instructed her to ignore them in court. They may have a tentative plan to divert blame from Casey to her parents in the guilt phase of the trial and/or in the penalty phase. JMO

Ouch, man. Hearing all the sordid details of the Anthonys behind closed doors? Could be scintillating. Seeing them all called out on their lies, obstructions, frauds....priceless.

[SayWhen]

Yes the lies do roll off her toungue but those lies are so incredulous that she is anything but "a smooth operator" or a "gifted liar". To insinuate that she was smooth or gifted as a liar IMO means she is effective at fooling people. She has fooled no one, not even Cindy, George or Lee. IMO

Nor is she "sly like a fox" or a good "actress"

IMO

Thanks for this post, joe. You took the words right off my fingertips. If she was accomplished at, well, anything ... she wouldn't have spent the last 14 months in jail as the accused murderer of her own child.

[kakax]

I guess that I just can't imagine Casey going through a whole trial on the criminal check/fraud charges. Not with the evidence against her.

She sure didn't have fun in the courtroom this last Friday. But would Casey be so angry at the State, that she'd put them through the expense of a trial just because she doesn't want to make it easy for them?

I keep thinking what I would do and that is the wrong way to look at Casey's thought process. I would be so embarassed, I would rather take my punishment than be broadcast over the entire world facing these theft charges.

She may in her mind think that the she won't be convicted of anything even though they have video. Wasn't it at some point, Baez was alluding to a scenario that Amy had given her permission? It was just a loan to be paid back. Did I just make that up? Maybe it was just one of the scenarios we were throwing around for her defense.

[kakax]

Kakax, I'm going to be really surprised if Casey changes her plea in the fraud case. My impression of Casey is that she will tenaciously hold onto any lie or denial of any wrongdoing despite the evidence to the contrary. I really think she intends to go through with this fraud trial claiming that Amy had given her permission to use the checks while Amy was on her trip. MOO


:laugh: I think I agree with you. I need to be :hammer: when I try to inject common sense in to this case.

[oswald]

Hi SeeingEye! You may be right. She can't act like she has been tortured by them for years if she is smiling at them in court. I do think living with Cindy was miserable, but it's not an excuse to kill your child.

Look at it this way - Casey blames her parents for doing this - it was Cindy who called 911, it was Cindy who basically attacked Casey at home on Fathers Day - it was Cindy who told Casey's friends that she was a sociopath

It was George who testified at the grand jury, it was George who chased her down the highway, it was George who was trying to get into the trunk that one day, it was George who called the police and told them his gas cans were stolen and someone broke into the shed

If it weren't for her parents, Casey wouldn't be in this mess, right? Thats what SHE thinks - now what is known

[oswald]

I keep thinking what I would do and that is the wrong way to look at Casey's thought process. I would be so embarassed, I would rather take my punishment than be broadcast over the entire world facing these theft charges.

She may in her mind think that the she won't be convicted of anything even though they have video. Wasn't it at some point, Baez was alluding to a scenario that Amy had given her permission? It was just a loan to be paid back. Did I just make that up? Maybe it was just one of the scenarios we were throwing around for her defense.

I don't think he siad it was a loan, but he did say that Amy allowed her to do it AND Baez/Lyons repaid the theft, so they think it should be water under the bridge

How did they become lawyers again???? LOL

[really3997]

I keep thinking what I would do and that is the wrong way to look at Casey's thought process. I would be so embarassed, I would rather take my punishment than be broadcast over the entire world facing these theft charges.

She may in her mind think that the she won't be convicted of anything even though they have video. Wasn't it at some point, Baez was alluding to a scenario that Amy had given her permission? It was just a loan to be paid back. Did I just make that up? Maybe it was just one of the scenarios we were throwing around for her defense.

Ok lets say you were going out of town and you friend needed some bills paid in their absences. Now removing the paying on the web. Would you not write out all the checks and sign your name before you leave, telling them which ones to send or just sign your name to some blank check (not that I would ever trust a "friend" that much". Casey signed her own name. How does she get around that:confused:

[SC7501]

Does anyone happen to have a Youtube link for the fisties visit? Or know the date when it happened? TIA :smile:

[SayWhen]

That entire scene at the hearing tells me that baez and lyon are
concerned that their client is capable of displaying inappropriate emotions in the courtroom.

The more I review the tape I can see her balling up her fists, and making an angry face - which is when baez leans over to her and lyon grasps her arm.

casey anthony does not know how to control herself and baez and lyon have a difficult time controlling her also.

This is the reason why no one is allowed to visit, they cannot trust casey anthony not to further damage her image. She doesn't have a clue how to act or react as a normal human being. IMO.

ITA, Scamp. I find it a little odd her attorneys aren't attempting to use her abnormal behavior to pitch some sort of insanity defense.

[kakax]

Ok lets say you were going out of town and you friend needed some bills paid in their absences. Now removing the paying on the web. Would you not write out all the checks and sign your name before you leave, telling them which ones to send or just sign your name to some blank check (not that I would ever trust a "friend" that much". Casey signed her own name. How does she get around that:confused:

She won't get around it. She will be found guilty.

Then watch the defense play the other side of the coin iin the murder trial if she has some damaging things to say about Casey, saying that nothing that Amy says can be true because she holds a grudge against Casey.

[crimeq]

The timing of when they stopped visiting is so telling. :wink:

Hi Jammies, what was the date of Cindy & George's last visit to Casey in the jail? Do you know -- or -- does anybody else here know?

[oswald]

ITA, Scamp. I find it a little odd her attorneys aren't attempting to use her abnormal behavior to pitch some sort of insanity defense.

But then Casey would be reprimanded to the Florida criminally insane hospital which is probably worse - she could be there for life

[really3997]

Hi Jammies, what was the date of Cindy & George's last visit to Casey in the jail? Do you know -- or -- does anybody else here know?

August either 4th or 11th i think

[BobbysGirl]

Afternoon folks, just checking in. Any more news on Judge Stricklands rulings?

BG

[tmw]

Is LKB still on the defense team? (JVM's "Dream Team")
I'm beating this horse till he screams uncle.

[crimeq]

I don't believe it's a coincidence the visits stopped around the time D Casey began to work for the A's. One month later, DC is taped rummaging through the wooded area. Next month poor Caylee is found.
IMO, the A's decided to stop visiting Casey for fear something may slip in conversation what DC was up to. :sneaky:

DCasey visited Casey in the jail ONE time, with Baez. What was that date?

It would be interesting to see a timeline for visits/DCasey involvement -- actually to see everything that happened right around and after the last visit Cindy and George made to the jail -- what Baez and Brad were saying to the public at that time too.

ETA: Baez certainly knew that the family visits would be taped and made available via Sunshine Laws. Why was it such a surprise to Cindy and George, then, to see the tapes made public?

[seeing_eye]

Ok lets say you were going out of town and you friend needed some bills paid in their absences. Now removing the paying on the web. Would you not write out all the checks and sign your name before you leave, telling them which ones to send or just sign your name to some blank check (not that I would ever trust a "friend" that much". Casey signed her own name. How does she get around that:confused:

Casey will ATTEMPT to get around it the same way she ATTEMPTS to get around any other lie that she's been caught in. She will simply make up another lie to explain it.

[Chardonnay]

Hi Jammies, what was the date of Cindy & George's last visit to Casey in the jail? Do you know -- or -- does anybody else here know?

According to WFTV site, it says Aug 14th. But they must have pulled it cuz it won't open.. :shrug:

[Silk]

I guess that I just can't imagine Casey going through a whole trial on the criminal check/fraud charges. Not with the evidence against her.

She sure didn't have fun in the courtroom this last Friday. But would Casey be so angry at the State, that she'd put them through the expense of a trial just because she doesn't want to make it easy for them?

In my opinion, Casey will take a plea on the check fraud charges. This would eliminate ongoing publicity towards her.
I mean, what more can they say (media) besides she took a plea and now we move on to the murder trial. Yep! Just sayin...

[Spots]

Is LKB still on the defense team? (JVM's "Dream Team")
I'm beating this horse till he screams uncle.

We have not heard otherwise. Her absence may easily be explained by the current crop of motions not being related to the forensics of the case. She'd just be a third wheel in the courtroom, and there aren't enough chairs at the defense table.

[really3997]

We have not heard otherwise. Her absence may easily be explained by the current crop of motions not being related to the forensics of the case. She'd just be a third wheel in the courtroom, and there aren't enough chairs at the defense table.

make sense why put the girdle on if you don't have to... jmo

[Aunt]

Hi Jammies, what was the date of Cindy & George's last visit to Casey in the jail? Do you know -- or -- does anybody else here know?

Crime, I think it was before Caylee's body was found in the woods and before Casey was charged with first degree murder.

Cindy and George have NOT visited Casey, nor confronted her regarding how she killed Caylee.

[oswald]

In my opinion, Casey will take a plea on the check fraud charges. This would eliminate ongoing publicity towards her.
I mean, what more can they say (media) besides she took a plea and now we move on to the murder trial. Yep! Just sayin...

Taking a plea would be the right thing - only problem - Casey thinks she did nothing wrong

[crimeq]

Can you imagine trying to be a professional counselor for any of the Anthony family members? Whew!

I have known of counselors who fired their clients. This is particularly true in BPD cases, because the prognosis for BPD's changing their behavior is nil.

[SayWhen]

How about the marine in Ca?? (name escapes me right now).

Plus the one Cindy mentioned in her state depo that no one had heard of before.

Plus Caylee's father, if he's alive. :rolleyes:

[tmw]

We have not heard otherwise. Her absence may easily be explained by the current crop of motions not being related to the forensics of the case. She'd just be a third wheel in the courtroom, and there aren't enough chairs at the defense table.

Nor enough Mics!
So there's no official notice of her leaving?
I wonder how she and AL would get along?

[seeing_eye]

So....has it been determined whether or not Judge Strickland is going to allow the jail to continue recording family visits? I am still so confused over this! :confused:

[Chardonnay]

Taking a plea would be the right thing - only problem - Casey thinks she did nothing wrong

I would love to see her on the stand saying she did
nothing wrong and is not guilty and that Amy said she
could use her checkbook. And saying the only thing she
did wrong is wearing clothes that are too small for her.

[SayWhen]

Is LKB still on the defense team? (JVM's "Dream Team")
I'm beating this horse till he screams uncle.

We can only make assumptions, tmw, since we're simply posters on a message board, lol.

My assumption is, yes, she's still on the team.

[Sun]

DCasey visited Casey in the jail ONE time, with Baez. What was that date?

It would be interesting to see a timeline for visits/DCasey involvement -- actually to see everything that happened right around and after the last visit Cindy and George made to the jail -- what Baez and Brad were saying to the public at that time too.

ETA: Baez certainly knew that the family visits would be taped and made available via Sunshine Laws. Why was it such a surprise to Cindy and George, then, to see the tapes made public?


crimeq, here is what I have copied into my notes. I also suspect this Edward fellow is likely the same eBay seller that tried to sell a shirt recently. Interesting to see that Edward says that he he "used to work for this firm" in his eBay listing.

Private Investigators Visit Casey
Friday, August 15, 2008 5:26:38 PM

ORLANDO -- While most of Casey Anthony's visitors have either been family members or her attorney, News 13 has uncovered two other men, who visited her behind bars, are actually private investigators.

Jail records show on July 25, Casey got a visit from Edward Phlegar, who is an investigator for her attorney Jose Baez's law firm.

Casey Dominic, another private investigator for Baez, visited Casey on Aug. 8.

News 13 tried to get a comment Thursday from Baez about what his private investigators might be doing on the case. However, our requests for interviews were declined.

Earlier this week, George Anthony said "private people" were doing surveillance on the people thinks kidnapped his granddaughter.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/8/14/parents_to_visit_casey_anthony.html

[SayWhen]

DCasey visited Casey in the jail ONE time, with Baez. What was that date?

It would be interesting to see a timeline for visits/DCasey involvement -- actually to see everything that happened right around and after the last visit Cindy and George made to the jail -- what Baez and Brad were saying to the public at that time too.

ETA: Baez certainly knew that the family visits would be taped and made available via Sunshine Laws. Why was it such a surprise to Cindy and George, then, to see the tapes made public?

I don't know the date, crimeq, but I recall Hoover stating DCasey told him about the red licorice incident from that one jailhouse visit. Wonder if we'll hear any more about that, or if the state considers Hoover not a credible witness?

[SayWhen]

make sense why put the girdle on if you don't have to... jmo

ROFLMAO!!! :lol:

[SayWhen]

Nor enough Mics!
So there's no official notice of her leaving?
I wonder how she and AL would get along?

IIRC, Defense Linda is the one who brought ALyon into the case.

[BobbysGirl]

I guess Judge S has not ruled yet on the other 2.
From what I read.
BG

[BlueTurtle]

So....has it been determined whether or not Judge Strickland is going to allow the jail to continue recording family visits? I am still so confused over this! :confused:

The judge denied the motion that included the videotaping. The title the defense put on it is what is confusing everybody. The future taping is a subcomponent of the Motion that sought to destroy any tapes of family visits. Since he denied the Motion, in effect he denied the defense to have no future visits by family and friends taped.

So the jail will carry on as they have done before.
The other Motion regarding the taping of Anthony with her lawyers has not been decided. I am wondering if he is looking into having her see them in a room that does not have videotaping just guards watching. I would think they would possibly have to agree to certain consessions. Like no computer brought into the room, and a clear separation of the lawyers and Miss Anthony so there is no chance to pass contraband.

[Sun]

Originally Posted by crimeq
DCasey visited Casey in the jail ONE time, with Baez. What was that date?

It would be interesting to see a timeline for visits/DCasey involvement -- actually to see everything that happened right around and after the last visit Cindy and George made to the jail -- what Baez and Brad were saying to the public at that time too.

ETA: Baez certainly knew that the family visits would be taped and made available via Sunshine Laws. Why was it such a surprise to Cindy and George, then, to see the tapes made public?


DCasey and Baez met with Casey in the jail. Casey most likely believes that someone overheard their conversation. However, DCasey may also have blabbed? Casey can't prove it one way or the other, because to try to do so would reveal that she knew the location of Caylee's remains. Of course I could be all wrong, and Casey didn't have that conversation with DCAsey. :wub:

[*MoonRider*]

According to WFTV site, it says Aug 14th. But they must have pulled it cuz it won't open.. :shrug:

Try this http://www.wftv.com/video/18490326/index.html

[sammy62]

someone may have beat me to this. But August 14th is the fist waving visit with the parents, and also the last visit. Here is the link that is working. http://www.wftv.com/video/18490326/index.html

[shellzbi]

I don't get the big issue regarding jailhouse visit's.

Casey is being treated just like everyone else being housed by Orange County.

If she wanted to she her parent's so much why doesn't she acknowledge them when they are in court . Heck, she doesn't even look at them.

Casey killed Caylee. George and Cindy believe she did it. They just can't believe they raised someone that could kill anyone let alone her own daughter. They raised a monster IMO.

Death Row is to good of a place for Casey IMO.

[cassidy]

I don't get the big issue regarding jailhouse visit's.

Casey is being treated just like everyone else being housed by Orange County.

If she wanted to she her parent's so much why doesn't she acknowledge them when they are in court . Heck, she doesn't even look at them.

Casey killed Caylee. George and Cindy believe she did it. They just can't believe they raised someone that could kill anyone let alone her own daughter. They raised a monster IMO.

Death Row is to good of a place for Casey IMO.

Obviously her parents and attorneys are afraid she will get angry and blurt out some detail she isn't supposed to know. So they don't want her visits taped and her parents are staying away. My guess is that they have cozy little chats viz Jose's computer anyhow.

JMO

[Spots]

Nor enough Mics!
So there's no official notice of her leaving?
I wonder how she and AL would get along?

They both appeared together at a previous hearing.

It was crowded.

747s are not the only "widebodies."

[Silk]

So....has it been determined whether or not Judge Strickland is going to allow the jail to continue recording family visits? I am still so confused over this! :confused:

I thought Judge Strickland did not have any jurisdiction on this issue to hear the matter. Laws would have to be changed and new ones implemented.
The way I read it, the motion was denied.:confused:

[Scampi]

Right, remember in Casey's phone call from jail to the Anthony home? Her first words to her mother weren't "get me out of here" or "help me, they have the wrong person", but "I saw your little cameo on TV". Casey was instanty jealous that her mother was on TV.

Or "Mom, any word on Caylee????" That tape is another nail in her coffin, imo.

That there may be a plea of guilty in the check fraud case pleases me no end, because this may be the ONLY TIME in her horrible life that she has had to actually ADMIT doing something wrong and be held accountable. :thumbup:

[ish]

Hi SeeingEye! You may be right. She can't act like she has been tortured by them for years if she is smiling at them in court. I do think living with Cindy was miserable, but it's not an excuse to kill your child.

I'm sure living with Cindy was no walk in the park, BUT, had I stolen 5k from my parents by forging a deposit slip, and caused un-necessary grief to my grandmother by stealing a check from an account devoted to my invalid grandfather... I don't even want to think what the repercussions would have been. I doubt I'd be cruising around Orlando, in a car I never paid my brother for, using gas I stole from my father's shed, with my mother's JC Penny cc in my wallet!

Life with Cindy may not have been pleasant but the day Casey turned 18, she could have said Sayonara! That's what most kids from truly unhappy homes do.

I think the real problem is Casey was a spoiled brat, who needed some tough discipline and never got it.

[Chardonnay]

Thanks Moon and Sammy !

[Spots]

DCasey and Baez met with Casey in the jail. Casey most likely believes that someone overheard their conversation. However, DCasey may also have blabbed? Casey can't prove it one way or the other, because to try to do so would reveal that she knew the location of Caylee's remains. Of course I could be all wrong, and Casey didn't have that conversation with DCAsey. :wub:

IIRC, DCasey told LE in his one and only interview that the meeting was all chit chat. He actually seemed a bit incredulous about that.