Michael Emack

[walton]

http://www.childbrides.org/MichaelEmack_indictment-07-22.pdf

[walton]

http://www.childbrides.org/raid_CO_5_more_men_arrested_from_YFZ.html

These photos released by the Texas Department of Public Safety show the five indicted members of a West Texas polygamist sect that turned themselves into authorities, Monday, July 28, 2008 to face child sexual abuse charges. Also pictured is Warren Jeffs, the already-jailed leader of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. From left, top row, Raymond Merrill Jessop, 36, Allen Eugene Keate, 56, Michael George Emack, 57. Botton row, Merrill Leroy Jessop, 33, Lloyd Hammon Barlow, 38 and Jeffs.

Raymond Merrill Jessop, 36, Allan Eugene Keate, 56, Michael George Emack, 57, and Merrill Leroy Jessop, 33, were charged with one count each of sexual assault of a child, a felony punishable by a sentence ranging from five to 99 years or life in prison. Their bond was set at $100,000 each.

[walton]

After all Mike Emack has been on a mission for four years and his family is still in their house.

Mike Emack's mission started in Oct. or Nov. of 2003. It hasn't yet been three years.

http://texaspolygamy.blogspot.com/2006/08/ladell-bistline.html

This above was written in 2006

[walton]

http://www.rickross.com/reference/polygamy/polygamy1026.html




Michael Emack, a contractor, said in a court filing that he is a permanent resident of Utah and that without his vehicle and work tools he is unable to make a living to pay living and legal expenses or support his family.

[walton]

http://web.gosanangelo.com/pdf/BishopsList.pdf

Here Michael Keate has listed himself as living on the YFZ ranch along with the girl in question and their young son.

According to this list Michael G. Emack has 3 more wives in Short Creek with 11 more children. Oldest now being 36 and youngest now being 5.

[SayWhen]

http://web.gosanangelo.com/pdf/BishopsList.pdf

Here Michael Keate has listed himself as living on the YFZ ranch along with the girl in question and their young son.

According to this list Michael G. Emack has 3 more wives in Short Creek with 11 more children. Oldest now being 36 and youngest now being 5.

His YFZ wife's age was 19 when this list was compiled.

The wives he left behind in Short Creek were 56, 48 and 42.

Let me guess ... Warren gifted him with a brand new, very young wife upon his arrival at the ranch in Texas.

:mad:

[juliekan]

His YFZ wife's age was 19 when this list was compiled.

The wives he left behind in Short Creek were 56, 48 and 42.

Let me guess ... Warren gifted him with a brand new, very young wife upon his arrival at the ranch in Texas.

:mad:

"brand spankin' new" wife or a hand me down from someone who was ousted?

[texski]

one quick thing and i am out of here. i was reading the bishops list of familys and was surprised by the number of female children in the emack list. i know some men have more females than males, but his list is almost all females. anyone ever checked all these lists to see if the proportion of females is out of line with the ordinary? i remember being told somewhere that more males were born than females in the population as a whole.
in this group females are like money in the bank .

[walton]

His YFZ wife's age was 19 when this list was compiled.

The wives he left behind in Short Creek were 56, 48 and 42.

Let me guess ... Warren gifted him with a brand new, very young wife upon his arrival at the ranch in Texas.

:mad:

And..... according to the posts made years ago many knew about this little not so quiet "mission".

Their lack of voice is telling. It was ok as long as they were going to benefit from it all. Women and men alike never said a thing and moaned and groaned when Flora told everyone on the outside that this was going on.

If Willie and Flora ever got into it.... my money would be on Flora.

[texski]

i have a note to myself that emack will have a hearing on january 7 to see where the location of his trial will be. anyone know if that is still the latest news.
and a happy new years to all the posters here, last year was texas 2, polygamists 0.

[walton]

Texski

Before Christmas there was talk about it being on the 7th. And Raymond Jessop was going to walk over and have another stab at the system.

Lots of stuff floating in the air but in between the clouds I am sure that Emack will be yet another one that won't see the inside of a prison for some time.

I think until they let cameras inside the courtroom we will only know what they want us to know.

Speculation that stems from closed doors isn't a good thing. jmo

[tiensdirect]

Hello, i think all those found guilty of crime should be punished by the court of law

[texski]

yes, you are very right. they should be taken to court, the problem is that the politicians have not been willing to do that for years. recently a very few couragous women have left these cults and began to get enough publicity that someone had to pay attention to the many unlawful actions.
texas has lately been in the front of the action , two of the men have gotten jail sentences and now we are all awaiting the trial of the next one.
but walton, who follows the cases for the posters here, seems to feel that the next man, emack, will not be tried as expected on january 7.
some backwoods dealing????
we are anxious to hear more.

[walton]

Texski

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2009/dec/18/state-satisfied-with-keate-trial-ready-for/

Trials for the other indictments have been scheduled through December of next year. The next trial, for sexual assault charges against Michael Emack, is scheduled for Jan. 25. A pretrial hearing is scheduled for Jan. 7, when the location of Emack’s trial likely will be determined.

From what I understand Texski is that Raymond Jessop will be doing his thing on the 7th.

[walton]

I have finally reached a point that I am totally disgusted with how hard it has become to get information concerning this story.

We have closed courtroom doors, limited media coverage (due to closed doors), prisoners that have been sentenced to prison that are still sitting in county jails, prisoners that are sentenced one day and are on the agenda for appeal 2 weeks after.

Tis pure BS.

There has been reporters that have gone to the trials with camera crews and filming but have not shown their coverage. No details no nothing.

We have blogs from here to there that are posting documents some of which have time stamps and others not.

At this point.. I am not sure what is really being done.

And now... We have Judge Lindberg having sessions behind closed doors concerning the UEP.

And........to top it all off it appears to me that Utah is so gung ho about keeping things within that the huge merger with CPark will take place and no one seems to care.

I don't understand. And I am disgusted.

You mentioned backwoods dealings. I believe that is actually what is going on.

I had sent Brooke and email telling her I was done.

I still read the news but there isn't anything being reported. Even when it is being reported it has become a huge hassle double checking to see if things are as they are written.

I won't be posting any links from blogs. Any blog. If a reporter writes a story and has their name on it I will bring over a link.

There was a poster here years ago and she taught me a lot. Senora told me if you want people to believe your posts you must provide a reputable link.

I don't know what everyone is waiting for. Maybe they think people will forget. Maybe they think that details will be forgotten. Maybe those in glass houses are making a big stink.

One thing I do know for sure is that Sheriff Doran, Deputy George, Gary Engles and Sam Brower are not liars.

I know Judge Walther has shown more patience and courage than a lot of Judges I've ever read about.

I know Judge Lindberg did the right thing with hiring Bruce Wisan.

I know Judge Lindberg wanted to keep the public informed. And now all of a sudden we have closed doors. That isn't her doing. Someone from above imo came up with that idea.

Maybe they don't want us to see who all is holding hands. Politicians sitting at a slant in my opinion.

Happy New Year to us. Same old Same old. One step forward and 100 years back. :mad:

[texski]

walton, i hear your pain. one of our sons became a teacher of emotiionally disturbed children. he loved the work and the children, had a masters degree and was continuing his classes as he taught. but he got totally burned out, not because of the children, but because of the politics and the parents. quit and went to work with a bank, but has now begun to do volunteer work in the same field .
i know you will be here for us and spring will come and the flowers will bloom..
you will win some, lose some, but the cause is still there and every child you help you will remember and keep going.

[juliekan]

walton, i hear your pain. one of our sons became a teacher of emotiionally disturbed children. he loved the work and the children, had a masters degree and was continuing his classes as he taught. but he got totally burned out, not because of the children, but because of the politics and the parents. quit and went to work with a bank, but has now begun to do volunteer work in the same field .
i know you will be here for us and spring will come and the flowers will bloom..
you will win some, lose some, but the cause is still there and every child you help you will remember and keep going.

thank you Texski for a lovely post.

i didn't know what to write after reading Walton's post, so i am glad you did. deep breath, everyone, another year's here, and if we don't keep up with this stuff, they just might get away with it.

[LLaFren]

Hang in there Walton...

I don't what I would do if you weren't posting :(

[Roux]

Hang in there Walton...

I don't what I would do if you weren't posting :(

Me too. Walton is incredible in her research and knowledge, and I would be lost without her.

We all :wub: you Walton!

[juliekan]

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2010/jan/07/walther-denies-new-trial-for-jessop/

trial to be held in San Angelo

[texski]

thanks juliekan, i just read the link. and can understand why they did take off the harder punishment. dont want to give them any legs to protest the trial, since the rape in question did take place before the new law.
i still think the way they seem to think the hispanics would be easier on the polygamists is very strange. i wonder if they even know any hispanics personally.
in our county i keep getting called for jury duty, told it is because they need a balance of sex and age and want me as a representative of older female. stuped me, i did not know that all the other older females had taken their name of the list as seniors are allowed to do. and it is total waste of time, the lawyers always throw me off anyway. i have now listed myself as too disabled to sit all day, silly i love to sit all day.

[Roux]

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2010/jan/07/walther-denies-new-trial-for-jessop/

trial to be held in San Angelo

Wilson says he'll probably have Jarvis Wright testify again. IMO Wright's testimony and statements in Keate's trial were disgraceful. Any juror with a thimbleful of brains could see the ignorance of what he asserted.

Texski, I may be wrong but I don't think it's so much that they think Hispanics would look more favorably on polygamy, but simply that they look for any little thing to raise an objection.

O/T re San Angelo, it was featured in a cold case I was watching this week. Murder of beautiful 20 yr old girl during jewelry store robbery.

[texski]

sounds good, new town, new lists of potential jurors. do you have any feel for the so called more sofistacated people in the bigger town on how they feel about the polygamists. after all, they were there when they took the children and got just as much exposure to the cases as anywhere else.
we can all use a short break, especially walton. i will be looking forward to the new trial
when there is no real news on here i sometimes check out the blogs and some are funny, sad, interesting, wierd.
o/t did the show about san angelo look like you think the town looks like? i saw one show that said it was on padre island, where i grew up, a long time ago, but still visit relatives. it did not look anything like the real thing to me.

[LLaFren]

Everybody's still here right?

<please>

[texski]

yes, i am pretty sure that everybody is still here. just a short while that nothing seems to be happening. it will heat up soon.
walton got a little burned out, she has been working on this so long, i think she just needs a short time out.
some interesting chat on some of the other web sites on the link thread.
and our texas ladies are keeping us up to date.

[juliekan]

I believe the next trial is Jan. 25th, so if the FLDS lawyers aren't busy throwing stuff against the wall to see if it sticks, we won't have a lot of info until then (even the blogs seem to have taken a break). Here's some new stuff from the blogs i just found.

The Twisted Thought Pattern of the FLDS
http://txbluesman.wordpress.com/2010/01/09/the-twisted-thought-pattern-of-the-flds/

FLDS, Pre-Trial Hearing, State of Texas v. Michael Emack
http://txbluesman.wordpress.com/2010/01/08/flds-pre-trial-hearing-state-of-texas-v-michael-emack/

"It is kinda of funny that Wright, one of Warren’s criminal attorneys in the Arizona case would make a special trip to Texas to complain to Judge Walther about the fact that Warren’s own words are being used against him in Utah. I’m not exactly sure what he hoped to accomplish, since Judge Walther does not have jurisdiction in either Arizona or Utah, but nonetheless Wright was there to whine about it." :laugh:

[texski]

i think warren sent his attorney down there and of course he went, more money for him. warren wants his people in texas to know he is with them, especially since the money seems to have to come from him for all their lawyers as well???

[texski]

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FLDS, Pre-Trial Hearing, State of Texas v. Michael Emack
http://txbluesman.wordpress.com/2010/01/08/flds-pre-trial-hearing-state-of-texas-v-michael-emack/

A state investigator admitted at the trial that Allan has no prior criminal record and is not a threat to anyone, yet he has been given a harsher sentence than is meted out to many murderers. This should indicate that Texans don’t like the rape of children to take place in this State. I guess Warren Jeffs made a mistake in thinking that Texas would be a place where those crimes would be tolerated.
HOORAY FOR TEXAS

[juliekan]

http://justice.co.tom-green.tx.us/Scripts/UVlink.isa/tgcrisc/WEBSERV/JailSearch?action%253Dview%26track%253D345493

found this in the comments over at FLDS texas site:

Jail ID 345493
Schleicher County SO
Confined 11/20/2009 05:09pm
Released 01/10/2010 05:51pm

Defendant
Jessop, Raymond Merril

They said the released meant he was released from Tom Green County Jail and had been transported to Huntsville, TX, to prison.

feel better now Walton?:smile:

[texski]

yes WALTON, come and see good news. i have a relative who worked at that prison and it is a rough place to be.
i am sure they released him to the prison because his appeal was not granted so he had no need to be close to the court and/or his attorneys.
i spent some time on one of the links showing the list of families from the flds. check out the childrens ages, there are numerous children all the same age from the multiply wives. keate seemed to be the lucky one , he had a lot of girl children so he could get brownie points from the jeffs for selling his little girls to other old men.

[juliekan]

:seeya:texski

http://txbluesman.wordpress.com/2010/01/12/raymond-jessop-catches-the-flds-chain/

another blog on Jessop going to prison

also

http://166.70.44.68/blogs/plurallife/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/stgeorgead.pdf

scroll down to the bottom to see the ad for the newest tour
wonder if they have enough suburbans to follow everyone around as they did Sam Brower when he was in town?

and

FLDS Suspected Child Bride list – Partial listing
http://texasflds.wordpress.com/2010/01/12/flds-suspected-child-bride-list-partial-listing/

[texski]

reading the child brides list for jeffs.
makes me sick, the oldest is 16.
they wanted to get them young, pregnant and trapped in that lifestyle
some i noticed: 05 steed 14
04 keate 14
06 jessup 12
03 jessup 13
o5 ficher 12
04 blackmore 13
all of this was going on in utah/arizona and noone did anything about it. just the names on that list showed from 03 to 06 he MARRIED six little girls under the age of 15, lots 15 and 16.

[SayWhen]

reading the child brides list for jeffs.
makes me sick, the oldest is 16.
they wanted to get them young, pregnant and trapped in that lifestyle
some i noticed: 05 steed 14
04 keate 14
06 jessup 12
03 jessup 13
o5 ficher 12
04 blackmore 13
all of this was going on in utah/arizona and noone did anything about it. just the names on that list showed from 03 to 06 he MARRIED six little girls under the age of 15, lots 15 and 16.

I don't know how anyone in their right mind can defend that behavior or explain it beyond Warren's desire for power and control, and his perverse interest in little girls. It's completely disgusting. :mad:

[texski]

i remember there were also storys about warren abusing little boys. an equal opportunity abuser. this has been going on under our noses for years and years. dear willie did make an announcement that they would no longer "marry" children under 16, but who knows what is really happening. the only ones we know for sure are not now abusing children are the three in jail. and hopefully another coming after them on january 25 trial.

[juliekan]

Despite claim, Texas says polygamist tipster not in clearnot clear

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6813563.html

worst written title of an article ever!!!!

Texas authorities don't believe a Colorado woman had any “criminal involvement” in telephone calls that may have triggered a raid on a Texas polygamist compound, her attorney said today. However, Jerry Strickland, spokesman for the Texas Attorney General, told the Houston Chronicle today that the state's inquiry “into Rozita Swinton and other aspects of this case is ongoing.”

[juliekan]

The Polygamists

By Scott Anderson
Photograph by Stephanie Sinclair

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2010/02/polygamists/anderson-text

Good article in National Geographic

[texski]

The Polygamists

By Scott Anderson
Photograph by Stephanie Sinclair

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2010/02/polygamists/anderson-text

Good article in National Geographic

is this article in the january edition? we do have a subscription, but i hate to admit, i never read it, my husband does, and passes it on to our clubhouse after he is through.

[walton]

Stopping in for just a bit. My kids are still here and I've been busy doing the grandma and mom thing. :)

Thanks for bringing over the articles/links. I will go back and read them all later but I did see the National Geographic article. I would like to order a copy.

Check this out: http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/2010/01/the-polygamists.html#more

Photo: Office workers serve lunch during a meeting between FLDS leaders and the Utah attorney general’s staff.

WOW!!


Now with that said... I can't say enough good things about the article and the so many beautiful photos that were taken. I am also very impressed that Stephanie was allowed inside some very private moments.

Yes, there are two sides to every story. Good Job Stephanie and Scott Anderson.

And then there is the side that one must piece together that so often gets lost in the middle.

Noticing the ever so many people that attended the funeral. I am curious as to how many of those thousands of people stood by and watched young girls marry and have babies and did nothing.

So many people turned out to pay their last respects to a woman that they knew was hurting so badly and did nothing to help.

And at the head of the line was Merril Jessop. A little late and a lot of poof.

Is it too much for the men of this cult to show respect to the women prior their deaths?

:sad:

[juliekan]

is this article in the january edition? we do have a subscription, but i hate to admit, i never read it, my husband does, and passes it on to our clubhouse after he is through.

February issue :smile:

[juliekan]

Is it too much for the men of this cult to show respect to the women prior their deaths?

:sad:

<snipped>

I'm sure if asked, the FLDS men would say they do show the utmost respect for their women.

Reminds me of when I was in Saudi Arabia many years ago. They repeatedly said that they "put their women on a pedestal." :rolleyes:

[walton]

I don't know if you guys watch Big Love or not but you really need to check it out this episode. The kids had me sit down with them and wanted me to tell them if this or that really happens.

And wow!!


http://www.hbo.com/biglove/index.html

I have seen a few episodes of this show and I always end up giving myself a headache. I have a hard time telling the difference from what is real and what isn't.

The writers of this show get a big thumbs up from ol Walton.

[texski]

i have never watched a so called reality show. do you really want me to break my perfect record?

[Roux]

I just don't have the stomach to try Big Love (don't get HBO now anyway). People who post on the Entertainment thread seem to really like the show and apparently it gets good reviews. After following YFZ for nearly two years and learning about the FLDS, I don't find the idea of polygamy entertaining.

Now on the other hand Dexter, the serial killer, on Showtime I love. :laugh:

[walton]

i have never watched a so called reality show. do you really want me to break my perfect record?

It took me a minute or two to catch this. lol

[walton]

I just don't have the stomach to try Big Love (don't get HBO now anyway). People who post on the Entertainment thread seem to really like the show and apparently it gets good reviews. After following YFZ for nearly two years and learning about the FLDS, I don't find the idea of polygamy entertaining.

Now on the other hand Dexter, the serial killer, on Showtime I love. :laugh:

I remember when this show first came out. We didn't have HBO but I ordered it because I wanted to see the show.

And then I saw maybe two episodes and got all irritated and canceled the HBO.

And a year later there was so much going on and I read on the Big Love thread that they were actually mixing it up a bit. Truth, fiction truth. So then I ordered HBO again.

Well I have a heck of a time staying awake once I sit on the sofa that I rarely watch a whole program of any kind.

But Roux and Texski you gotta check out some of the trailers if you don't have HBO.

The writers there are incredible. Fact/Fiction/Fiction/Fact. I swear I give myself a headache each time I've watched the shows. It is hard to tell the difference. I am bouncing back like a yo-yo.

There is one other series of shows that I think have outstanding writers and that are those that work/with Dick Wolfe.

[juliekan]

Anybody ever look at this?

http://almostheaven-honeydawn.blogspot.com/2010/01/bretheren-are-in-charge-of-us.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2FAHws+%28Almost+Hea ven%29

Polygamy blog by some woman. The writing style reminds me of a junior high kid talking (if you were to add "uh like,"....a few times.) This posting on 1/21 was interesting, about the bretheren being in charge. If you scroll down and look at the left side of the screen after the blog posting, you will see her "family group" and quotes.

One quote is "Don't send your kids out into the world and let the government teach them lies. You need to teach them YOURSELF!"

did anyone else read this as "you need to teach them lies yourself?" :laugh:

[texski]

i will go and read it. we all teach our children our values, our faith, our morals by the way we live and how we manage our lifes. but we hope and expect them to go out in the world when they are grown and make their own decisions, whether good or bad.

[walton]

Does anyone know if the Emack trial is still on for Monday in San Angelo?

Closed doors or opened doors? Coverage or no coverage?

[texski]

Anybody ever look at this?

http://almostheaven-honeydawn.blogspot.com/2010/01/bretheren-are-in-charge-of-us.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2FAHws+%28Almost+Hea ven%29

Polygamy blog by some woman. The writing style reminds me of a junior high kid talking (if you were to add "uh like,"....a few times.) This posting on 1/21 was interesting, about the bretheren being in charge. If you scroll down and look at the left side of the screen after the blog posting, you will see her "family group" and quotes.

One quote is "Don't send your kids out into the world and let the government teach them lies. You need to teach them YOURSELF!"

did anyone else read this as "you need to teach them lies yourself?" :laugh:

yes, i agree, very immature. indictment on their system of education. some mental impairment due to inbreeding? teachers no more education than the students. i wonder if the state she lives in has any standards at all for testing home educated students?

[walton]

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2010/jan/22/flds-member-pleads-no-contest-sentenced-to-seven/#comments

Michael Emack, 59, a member of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, pleaded no contest to the accusation of sexual assault of a child Friday, was found guilty and was sentenced to seven years in prison.

Judge Barbara Walther of the 51st District Court asked Emack if he understood what the plea allowed him to do.

“I believe it helps me maintain my dignity,” Emack said.


and further into the article: “It doesn’t matter the number of children they took or mothers that got on the bus,” FLDS spokesman Willie Jessop said about the raid after the hearing. “What Texas did was wrong.” :rolleyes:

No Willie. What Texas did was right.

When Willie gets his turn in the court system I just bet he will sing his song "under pressure".

And Emack saying he pleads no contest to help maintain his dignity?

Clueless! Despite watching the two trials before him they just don't get it.

If there is another trial made open to the public I hope El Kabong shows up and does the El Kabong thing.

[texski]

i think he had a good attorney, got him a pretty good deal. he must have known he would be found guilty and was too proud to sit there with everyone watching his every expression. i do think he would have gotten more than seven years if he went to trial. that is where he is saying he is keeping his dignity. and can be paroled in half that time. and i am sure he will behave himself.
now we wait for the next one>???

[walton]

Well there are no young girls in prison if that is where he is going. He shouldn't have a problem following that rule.

Unless they all get brain transplants the chances that they will do it again are extremely high. jmo

Next trial? Will there be one? The doors were shut loud and clear. IF anything else happens it will be done once again without the general public seeing it.

Trials in Arizona and Utah? Ha Looks good in the blog world but no links to back up anything.

He said she said.

[juliekan]

Wow, just showed up, didn't know this had happened.

OK, so he gets out in 3 1/2 yrs, if he behaves? But if he's a registered sex offender, can't live at YFZ. Where's he gonna live....doesn't the registered sex offender go beyond state lines? Of course no one would turn him in if he lives in Short Creek...

Will his family be re-assigned? Or I guess they will reward him with pretty young new wives when he gets out, for taking a bullet for the FLDS?

[texski]

do not get discouraged, there will be more trials. unless they all want to plead guilty, which would be fine .
anytime that deals between the court, attorneys, and indicted people are taking place there never has been any public imput that i know off. this really is a normal procedure, with give and take on both sides until an agreement is reached, or the talks stopped.
where is that list of flds men and the former schedule. we need another man to get to know that he is in the spotlight now.

[juliekan]

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2009...eicher-county/

Trial schedule

Following is the schedule for trials:

* Raymond Merril Jessop, Oct. 26, sexual abuse of a child. Guilty

* Allan Eugene Keate, Dec. 7, sexual abuse of a child. Guilty

* Michael Emack, Jan. 25, 2010, sexual abuse of a child. Pleaded no contest

* Merrill Leroy Jessop, March 8, 2010, sexual abuse of a child and bigamy.

* Lehi Barlow Jeffs, April 26, 2010, sexual abuse of a child and bigamy.

* Abram Harker Jeffs, June 7, 2010, sexual abuse of a child and bigamy.

* Keith William Dutson, July 26, 2010, sexual abuse of a child.

* Wendell Loy Nielson, Sept. 7, 2010, three counts of bigamy.

* Frederick Merril Jessop, Oct. 11, 2010, conducting an unlawful marriage ceremony involving a minor.

* Leroy Johnson Steed, Dec. 6, 2010, first-degree felony sexual assault of a child, second-degree felony bigamy, third-degree felony bigamy and third-degree felony tampering with physical evidence.

[walton]

do not get discouraged, there will be more trials. unless they all want to plead guilty, which would be fine .
anytime that deals between the court, attorneys, and indicted people are taking place there never has been any public imput that i know off. this really is a normal procedure, with give and take on both sides until an agreement is reached, or the talks stopped.
where is that list of flds men and the former schedule. we need another man to get to know that he is in the spotlight now.

Texski I was discouraged and disgusted last month.

This month I have come to accept the fact that we will only see/hear certain things.

Not with one case. Not with two cases. But the remainder.

They aren't going to open the doors. And this is in Texas. It isn't Judge Walther. Whatever IT is.... appears to be higher and bigger than Texas.

You know what is funny though... in my mind there isn't anything bigger or better than Texas.

If the Feds are in charge I've lost that old Justice will prevail feeling I had.

Money. Power and something bigger. They need a good ol' pep talk themselves imo.

They too have lost that ooompf. Who knows maybe that is what they were hoping that we all would do.

People who are suppose to be in prison. Aren't.
People who are suppose to stay in state unless working. Don't.
People who suppose to be doing their job addressing the issues of Polygamy are having lunch served to them while they are all yucking it up. See photo which ever.

Courtrooms are suppose to be open to the public. They aren't.
Certain people should be on the sex offender list. Aren't.

Where is Flora?
Where is Gary Engles?
Where is Sam Brower?
Where is Allan Keate?

Where did they put Warren?
Who is in charge?
Who is Walkin Talkin Willie? Where is the real Willie?

Why isn't Lyle in jail?
Why isn't Merril in jail?

Where is Wendall?
Where is Waylond Wyler?

What happened to Mike Watkiss?
What happened to Brooke?

And just for fun Where is Wally?
Rod Parker?
The new kid on the Block?

Where are the statements from the AG?

What is Utah doing about the Polygamy issues? Besides being served lunch and yucking it up?

Each photo had a story to tell.

Nothing is being done. And that seems to be the fact.

[Roux]

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2010/jan/22/flds-member-pleads-no-contest-sentenced-to-seven/#comments

Michael Emack, 59, a member of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, pleaded no contest to the accusation of sexual assault of a child Friday, was found guilty and was sentenced to seven years in prison.

Judge Barbara Walther of the 51st District Court asked Emack if he understood what the plea allowed him to do.

“I believe it helps me maintain my dignity,” Emack said.


and further into the article: “It doesn’t matter the number of children they took or mothers that got on the bus,” FLDS spokesman Willie Jessop said about the raid after the hearing. “What Texas did was wrong.” :rolleyes:

No Willie. What Texas did was right.

When Willie gets his turn in the court system I just bet he will sing his song "under pressure".

And Emack saying he pleads no contest to help maintain his dignity?

Clueless! Despite watching the two trials before him they just don't get it.

If there is another trial made open to the public I hope El Kabong shows up and does the El Kabong thing.

The article says they plan to challenge Texas' bigamy statutes. Well, good luck with that FLDS. Hope you spend mucho dollars and end up with nothing.

Emack's attorney loves FLDS and they are good people? How can anyone, even a defense attorney, think sexual abuse of children is done by good people?

[texski]

i can understand some think that nothing is being done, the more things change the more they stay the same . but i am old, i went fishing with FDR when I was young, and i guess i have more patience and can be okay with small victories.
before i came on this message board i had not thought about polygamy. muslins did it? long ago people did it? african chiefs did it? that was the extent of my knowledge and i never considered what it did to real live women.
so, walton, you were on this board, educated posters, fought the good fight against the child protective services haters, made many people aware of the life of the children when they grew up. i went out and read books, sent the books to others to read, and talked about polygamy because of you. you will never know how many people were touched by you and in turn touched by all of us .
if they all plead it is more than any of them have done before. the very young women do have some measure of protection.
i have hopes that the state of texas will watch out for them to the extent that they can.
we have a good year coming up, let us see what march will bring.
and february is coming up and it is the month for love, so posters here, please spread around some love, and keep us all advised on the small things as we await some bigger ones.

.

[texski]

from the houston newspaper::
Strickland said a bigamy charge against Emack is pending. FLDS spokesman Willie Jessop said Emack made the plea so he could file an appeal. Jessop said Emack did not want to be tried by State District Judge Barbara Walther, who signed the order to remove the children in 2008. A message left for Walther was not immediately returned Friday.

"He didn't feel that he would get a fair trial so he made a no contest plea to move his case into what he believed would be a neutral court, the court of appeals," Jessop said.

"We all very strongly believe the state of Texas acted in very bad faith," Jessop said. "What the state did was selective prosecution and they've used the format of a biased court to indict him." Strickland said a bigamy charge against Emack is pending. FLDS spokesman Willie Jessop said Emack made the plea so he could file an appeal. Jessop said Emack did not want to be tried by State District Judge Barbara Walther, who signed the order to remove the children in 2008. A message left for Walther was not immediately returned Frid


BOO HOO, texas bluesman says that emack has already been taken to prison . check out his article on this plea.

[juliekan]

from the houston newspaper::
Strickland said a bigamy charge against Emack is pending. FLDS spokesman Willie Jessop said Emack made the plea so he could file an appeal. Jessop said Emack did not want to be tried by State District Judge Barbara Walther, who signed the order to remove the children in 2008. A message left for Walther was not immediately returned Friday.

"He didn't feel that he would get a fair trial so he made a no contest plea to move his case into what he believed would be a neutral court, the court of appeals," Jessop said.

"We all very strongly believe the state of Texas acted in very bad faith," Jessop said. "What the state did was selective prosecution and they've used the format of a biased court to indict him." Strickland said a bigamy charge against Emack is pending. FLDS spokesman Willie Jessop said Emack made the plea so he could file an appeal. Jessop said Emack did not want to be tried by State District Judge Barbara Walther, who signed the order to remove the children in 2008. A message left for Walther was not immediately returned Frid


BOO HOO, texas bluesman says that emack has already been taken to prison . check out his article on this plea.

thanks for the update. they are obviously glad to send Emack to jail, while they play their games with the law......

wonder if Willie would agree to going to jail while everyone works out all the legal issues?

[texski]

Is it possible the flds could be running out of money to pay all these lawyers. ??? Orders from on high to plead because it is cheaper.

[texski]

i was watching a tv show about a former football player, turned coach and teacher, who had sex with some of his pupils 14, 15, 16 years old. when he was found out he was immediately arrested, jailed, and the tv anchors were saying how terrible he was, a older person, in a position of authority, taking advantage of young children. the consensus was they should throw the book at him, long, long prison sentence.

any one hear a tv show talking like that about the old men in the flds and their young girls, DID THAT SHOW GO ON IN UTAH, ARIZONA???? CNN PEOPLE. have you ever given that kind of attention to what is happening to young girls in your states.
sorry about weather for some posters. it will pass. spring is acoming

[walton]

Texski lots of stuff going on so I have to make this short.


Did you really go fishing with FDR? And if so off shore or by boat?

No matter. the whole thought of it makes me smile.

[texski]

Texski lots of stuff going on so I have to make this short.


Did you really go fishing with FDR? And if so off shore or by boat?

No matter. the whole thought of it makes me smile.

yes i did, i think i was in kindergarden. my older brothers were well known fishing experts, FDR came down to galveston harbor in a yacht to go fishing and asked for help from them, he wanted tarpon i think, and the press agent wanted what we now call a photo op, so brothers were asked to bring some young children to say hello to the president. five other children, i think from the masonic lodge and myself. he was very nice, asked a lot of questions and gave us a photo with his signature. i is a good way to remember how old i am. and still happy.

[lotty]

i can understand some think that nothing is being done, the more things change the more they stay the same . but i am old, i went fishing with FDR when I was young, and i guess i have more patience and can be okay with small victories.
before i came on this message board i had not thought about polygamy. muslins did it? long ago people did it? african chiefs did it? that was the extent of my knowledge and i never considered what it did to real live women.
so, walton, you were on this board, educated posters, fought the good fight against the child protective services haters, made many people aware of the life of the children when they grew up. i went out and read books, sent the books to others to read, and talked about polygamy because of you. you will never know how many people were touched by you and in turn touched by all of us .
if they all plead it is more than any of them have done before. the very young women do have some measure of protection.
i have hopes that the state of texas will watch out for them to the extent that they can.
we have a good year coming up, let us see what march will bring.
and february is coming up and it is the month for love, so posters here, please spread around some love, and keep us all advised on the small things as we await some bigger ones.

.
Very well said, if I could say "ditto" I would...Hang in there Walton and everyone else!:smile:

[walton]

Very well said, if I could say "ditto" I would...Hang in there Walton and everyone else!:smile:

Thanks you guys but I just have to say this...it wasn't my voice.

It was the voices of those in Banking on Heaven, Mike Watkiss, Jon K., John D., Brooke, Gary Engles, those that have been writing the many books, the blog owners/operators and all the newspaper articles.

And it was Texas.

I only share what I have read.

[walton]

yes i did, i think i was in kindergarden. my older brothers were well known fishing experts, FDR came down to galveston harbor in a yacht to go fishing and asked for help from them, he wanted tarpon i think, and the press agent wanted what we now call a photo op, so brothers were asked to bring some young children to say hello to the president. five other children, i think from the masonic lodge and myself. he was very nice, asked a lot of questions and gave us a photo with his signature. i is a good way to remember how old i am. and still happy.


Texski this is such a nice story. Thank you for sharing.

[walton]

You guys want to know what people are saying about the National Geographic article?

:biggrin:

You must be a people person to do this and willing to LISTEN to all comments with an open mind.

I told you awareness is the key. Because the National Geographic is everywhere it will hit coffee tables and media racks in places that many other magazines do not.

I did the waiting room tour in my town. I went to different places and made sure the magazine was placed in the correct spot so they would pick it up before others. If there wasn't a magazine I would leave one.

And then I waited. :biggrin:

And then I got to know my neighbor.

I told you guys way back when I was nosey.

Many just looked at the photos. Just about eveyone said they were going out to get their own copy.

Here were SOME of their comments:

I can't believe this is happening here in the states.

If they aren't hurting anyone it is no big deal.

Yeah, well what do you expect from Utah?

How can one man afford such a family?

Who would want to live with that many women?

Many that read the article were able to read between the lines. Others thought it fluff.

More people than not thought the whole state of Utah was all about polygamy.

This is just some of what I found out in two days.

Awareness is the key.

Warning: This test can not be done by eveyone nor can it be done in some places. For me it was easy because I have one of those faces and I was willing to hear both sides.

[texski]

i liked your interesting test, my favorite, how can one man afford all those children. those of us on this board know they do not support them, we, the taxpayers, pay for them.

i am in florida for the winter together with a large number of retired canadains. they are having a good national look at polygamy, after the two men who were arrested for polygamy, were released .
i got their opinions this week and most of them are really mad that they are having to pay the welfare charges for the polygamist children.
they also have a woman who was a former polygamist wife who has escaped from their clutches. she is being very vocal in canada, so they now have started to get some publicity out there.
sounds very familier with what we are going thru. some good stories on google news.

[walton]

While I was sitting there watching and listening I could see some pick up the magazine page thru it, lay the magazine down and then pick it up again, You could almost see the wheels turning by the expressions and facial movement.

I think that there are so many people still very much unaware of this because despite all the coverage that WE have seen..they have not.
another thing is that many people have such faith in our system that this issue has been taken care of thru the courts.

Everyone has their own jobs, their own lives that they are too busy to follow things for months and years on end. They EXPECT our LE, Judges and Attorney Generals to do their jobs. Why shouldn't they?

Yup, it was awesome.

I'll check googleland later today.

I think the Canadians aren't quite as vocal as we are and they tend to think things thru more then we do but when they make a decision they normally follow thru.

Kinda like: this is how it is and this is how it is going to be done. Period.
jmo

[walton]

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=9539214

A judge says he'll hold a hearing on a defense request to prevent evidence seized in the raid of a polygamous sect in Texas in polygamist leader Warren Jeffs' trial in Arizona.

Mohave County Superior Court Judge Steven Conn on Monday said the Feb. 17 hearing won't be vacated unless both parties agree.



Raymond Jessop while in jail was able to attend a day with the Allan Keate trial. The explaination given was that priosners are allowed to be part of the court procedure.

Wonder if Warren would show up for this? I also wonder why they've kept Warren out in the cold concerning other court procedures involving him?

Sure seems to be a lot of screen door slamming when it comes to these court trials. Just like flies in the summertime. Some sneek in and out without us knowing.

My guess is that they won't go to trial.

[texski]

the worse thing i remember about warren jeffs that was taken from the texas compound, was the sick deep kissing of that little girl. i know they really got their knickers in a knot about the release of that one.
what other stuff from texas do they need anyway??? they must have plenty of evidence from utah and arizona of his child brides.
waste of court time may be bad, but waste of jeffs money pouring out to lawyers just makes me so happy. the more hearings he has to pay for the better.

[texski]

i just got my national geographic mag today, it has to be rerouted to winter place.
two questions please answer , is the beautiful young girl with her baby girl, veda keate , the one that keate got sent to jail for rape.?
is the older woman who was merrils first wife the same as the one that was in the book escape , named ruth?
i will read the story again and then pass it around this retirement community, but tell them i want it back, the pictures are beautiful , but also heartbreaking to me.

[walton]

i just got my national geographic mag today, it has to be rerouted to winter place.
two questions please answer , is the beautiful young girl with her baby girl, veda keate , the one that keate got sent to jail for rape.?
is the older woman who was merrils first wife the same as the one that was in the book escape , named ruth?
i will read the story again and then pass it around this retirement community, but tell them i want it back, the pictures are beautiful , but also heartbreaking to me.

I'd have to go back and check the links on Veda. (And I agree she is beautiful.)

Foneta was his first wife.

Texski I looked for new info concerning Canada. Couldn't find anything.
:confused:

But I did find out something new about the computer. Someone over at the FLDS site helped me.
To enlarge the print on a page all you have to do is hit the Ctrl button along with the + or -

It works!! :biggrin: This ranks right up there with buying sliced bread.

Get the feed back from your neighbors.

[walton]

the worse thing i remember about warren jeffs that was taken from the texas compound, was the sick deep kissing of that little girl. i know they really got their knickers in a knot about the release of that one.
what other stuff from texas do they need anyway??? they must have plenty of evidence from utah and arizona of his child brides.
waste of court time may be bad, but waste of jeffs money pouring out to lawyers just makes me so happy. the more hearings he has to pay for the better.

They got a lot of info during that raid. They've shared very little with the public.imo

Warrens don't need anything from Texas for their trial in Arizona. They want info from Texas.

I wish Warrens lawyers would relax a bit. They are going to pop a cork if they don't lighten up a little.

[walton]

This has nothing to do with polygamy or the FLDS but it does involve the town of St. George Utah.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=9550663

What the heck????

[walton]

Texski Veda is Allan Keates daughter.
http://flds101.blogspot.com/2009/05/flds-people-101-allan-keate-machinist.html


I read the article from National Geographic again last night. I can't do the word for word thing because of copyright laws but check out page
57. Top right hand corner.

I still think the writer did a good job. I checked out the author and he has been (maybe still is) a war correspondent. The man has a gift for sure.

[texski]

so the young lady in the picture, lied to the photographer about her last name?? or since they are not legally married, do they now keep their birth name and do not use the mans name they are spiritually married to??? Veda Keate was a spiritual wife to warren jeffs and the child age 4 would be his child. she is 20, birthed at 16???

if you start looking behind the surface there are some real facts here.

she really is so beautiful, i believe that is why keate got so many young girls for himself, he traded his beautiful daughters for them.

the canada stories have disappeared from my google news page. will ask some canadians.

[walton]

:ohmy:

Texski I must have something wrong. During this whole thing I've tried not using the minors names involved because of what Wild Bill did.

I'll have to do some digging.

Maybe there are two people named Veda? But I'll look.



The folks at Texas FLDS are working hard over there. They came up with a list of all the lawyers involved with the trials. :lol: I think it is longer than this thread.

[walton]

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=9563959

In a letter sent to FLDS attorneys, Mark Shurtleff says the issue must be resolved within 30 days. He suggests following a proposal from Bruce Wisan, the accountant appointed by a judge to manage the trust.

An attorney for the FLDS says the demand is inconsistent with ongoing settlement talks.


I don't know why exactly but I think this is funny.

Did Shurtleff just wake up?
or was the statement from the FLDS attorney a new kid on the block?

[walton]

I just came back from the movie rental store.



I just rented Season 1 Big Love. :biggrin:

[texski]

i know that you know that all that is fiction. enjoy it like i enjoy science fiction movies, fantasy is fun.

[walton]

i know that you know that all that is fiction. enjoy it like i enjoy science fiction movies, fantasy is fun.

That is one of the reasons I am going to watch. I want to see how close they are to everything that has happened. From the little I've seen I think they are running awfully close.

And do you know what is really cool about all this? If (ha ha if) I should fall asleep (no blame to the show it's all me) I can rewind/backtrack and pickup where I left off.


I love to read. And it is because of all the wonderful people that have written things to keep this old noggin ticking and tocking. hehe

When it comes to tv I swear the best writers are employed by Dick Wolf and Big Love. Thumbs up and Thanks.

[juliekan]

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=9563959

In a letter sent to FLDS attorneys, Mark Shurtleff says the issue must be resolved within 30 days. He suggests following a proposal from Bruce Wisan, the accountant appointed by a judge to manage the trust.

An attorney for the FLDS says the demand is inconsistent with ongoing settlement talks.


I don't know why exactly but I think this is funny.

Did Shurtleff just wake up?
or was the statement from the FLDS attorney a new kid on the block?

from the article

Rod Parker, an attorney for the FLDS, said the letter was "out of left field."

"The conclusion we draw from that is that it's a political statement designed to help him evade responsibility in the future," Parker said.

I agree with Rod :ohmy: like Shurtleff hasn't been around all along...

and

"Some items may need to tweaked, and other may need to be massaged, a little further, but on the whole it appears to me that if the parties are to achieve a settlement the best chance for that is to work from this proposal," Shurtleff wrote. "This matter has gone on long enough."

:blink: wth?

[walton]

I know Juliekan it is weird. Up down twist turn.

I can only think of a couple of things that make sense.

Someone else was using Mark Shurtleffs body when he was sitting next to those in the CPark meetings and when he was doing the walk in the park with Willie.

So when the little ship took off Shurtleff got his mouth and mind placed back into his body?

or... the pressure is on. I prefer to think this. :biggrin:

Here is a little something from Ben Winslow.

http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-uep-land-fight-exclusive,0,2122699.story

[texski]

shurtleff must be up for reelection and somebody told him real women vote.

[walton]

I don't know what it is Texski but I've seen and heard Shurtleff say one thing and do the exact opposite. So... you know the old saying.. talk is cheap.

I'll mark it on my calender but I am not holding my breath.




On another note: there is just something about reading a small town newspaper that can answer some questions that others can't.

http://myeldorado.net/

[walton]

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/inside-polygamy-national-geographic-special-spotlights-plural-marriage/story?id=9752275

"Inside Polygamy" premieres Feb. 10 on the channel. There'll be more on the story in the magazine's February issue.

I haven't missed it. :) This coming Wed.

I also noticed this: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ReproductiveHealth/story?id=4698181&page=1


Polygamists Avoiding Inbreeding Problems?
Shallow Gene Pool Not Yet Translated Into Defects; Some Experts Say Effects Still Possible

[walton]

I've watched 1/2 of Season One. Wow!!

I am going to do the Big Love Marathon this week and I am hoping to catch up to the current Season.

I really like it. Maybe I just wasn't ready for it when it first came out but I really like it.

The moon, the wolf, the struggles Ben is having, the girls working at the local fast food place, the alarm system, the call to the AG, the whole thing.

[texski]

the only part of the show i would be interested in viewing would be if questions about jealousy between the women is brought up. i know it is scripted, but that would be something most of the women viewers, and i assume they are most of the audience, would like to hear about.
after a long and mostly happy marriage, i cannot understand sharing my love for my partner with other women in the same house. i do not really mean just sex, that is not always love.
how much of these normal relationship feelings would the wifes have to repress and at what cost to that love and to their mental health.
keep watching and let us know .

[walton]

Texski the jealousy turned up very early in the 1st disc. But once again this is supposedly fiction. ( I think it might be more real than fiction.)

There were scenes that made me laugh, some that made me feel really bad and some just got me all riled up again. Watching all this will be good for me.

Brooke wrote a piece today and put it in the paper. http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14348960

FLDS has new president, but is Jeffs still their prophet?
Succession » Spokesman didn't want to say who the spiritual leader is out of fear of government retaliation.
By Brooke Adams

I personally think that the "SPOKESMAN" is full of it.

Do I believe any of this to be true? No.

I believe all those involved in this farce are only kidding themselves.

[texski]

neilson must be the president because he is the biggest money maker.
willie is a joke. they do not want to put anyone important out in the open . all in my humble opinion.
comment on brookes blog, alby grant from big love looks like warren jeffs. related??

[walton]

Texski Alby is played by Matt Ross. He looks a little like Warren but the character he plays is most certainly like Warren.

Snake in the grass that Warren is Alby has a way of slithering around and showing up out of no where.

I went back to rent the discs 3 and 4. Gone. Asked about Season 2. They don't have it. But they do have Season 3.

Huh? How can they say they carry the series if they have only Seasons 1 and 3?

I just checked on Amazon and they have them on sale.

______

Brooke updated her article.

I am updating my comment: I still think the SPOKESPERSON is full of it.

AND

I think Rod Parker is a day late but not necessarily a dollar short. He needs to check some history books. This is just my opinion.

[texski]

i went to ebay to buy one year of a series that i wanted to complete my set. bought the year very cheaply.
i am still piggy backing to you for info on the big love.
i wonder who put pressure on the paper to take off comments by willie???? they have had him out front talking for some time. maybe the powers that be have caught on to the fact that we are laughing at him???

[walton]

:biggrin:

The rest of Season One are sitting on my coffee table. And...... I have discovered Net Flex. Yup. The rest will follow.

Sometimes I scare myself. All this energy and determination should be put to better use. However I am looking at all this as a health project. :)

I think those guys at Big Love have secrets to what is really going on and all I have to do is piece it together. I will feel much better if I know some of those secrets.

There ya go. See a health project.

I wonder why Big Love doesn't just set up the same type of deal on their web site so people can watch the whole thing there?

I've never done anything with ebay. Maybe next year I'll reach further out of my cave.

I'll keep ya posted.

So far the only other media that is talking about Wendall being President is Ben Winslow at Fox. Ben had that look about him that he wanted to say more but couldn't.

As far as Willie goes I think his being "useful" is almost done. Puppet on a string and the strings got shorter. jmo


You know what is really weird? If they can change this practice of who is President and have a missing Prophet why couldn't they change the whole thing about being married to 3 wives? Funny how they pick and choose when and which practices they follow.

[walton]

I said I wouldn't be posting any more links from blogs.

Is this a blog? Yes? No? Maybe? I just don't know.

What I do know is that this site has information that needs to be shared. I know that it has a nice sharp clean look to it and that it is readable and informative.


http://fldsrecord.wordpress.com/


For those angels that worked so very hard on this>>> :rose:

[walton]

Texski

Besides finding the great site above I watched some more Big Love this morning.

Credit Cards are an issue. Jealousy surely an issue.

I really like the actor playing Bill Hendersons dad. Funny, scary, sneaky and not nice to his wives. One of the scenes made me think of my Aunt. She would have clobbered him with her cast iron frying pan or chased him down with her rolling pin. No one did that in the scene but my Aunt would have done it.

If I was the last woman on this Earth I would bet money that there is not an FLDS man that would ever want me for his wife. He would rather take a chance of never having his own Kingdom than take me for his wife.

And somehow knowing that makes me smile and even more grateful to my parents and all those that have taught me so much over the years.

:biggrin:

[texski]

tried to read the word press record, used your method to control and + , got larger but very fuzzy.
notice it was the same as texas bluesman?

[walton]

Texski click on the document in the square. it takes a little bit but then it will show up on another tab.

It is one of those pdf things. Not sure what pdf means but I call it the pretty damn fast documents.

I'll be back later. I am going to read. :)

[walton]

Bruce Dern is the actors name. So far I've got most of the characters processed in my mind with some of the folks in real life.

I am going to pay a visit to the Big Love thread here at InSessions to find out about someone from this 1st episode.

I went to the HBO page to check on the writers. Texski to each their own with liking or disliking this show but I really have to give these folks a thumbs up.

And they have a sense of humor. Seriously. Little bits and pieces are just cracking me up. And then there are scenes that I am on the edge of my seat.

I am thinking Ahaa that's it. or I catch myself saying I knew it, I just knew it, or just the fact that someone else saw what I saw when reading about the story.

[walton]

ok.

Some movies you can watch instantly on Netflix and then there are some that you can't. Big Love is one you can NOT watch instantly.

Now I am not really sure but it looks like they will only send out one disc set at a time. uggh

Now that really isn't such a bad thing but I could have/should have just bought the whole set and had it here by Friday.

I didn't want to play disc 5 until I knew I had the others ready to go.


This is all Jon Krakauers fault. j/k

I hung onto that last chapter of Under the Banner for weeks waiting to see if there was going to be more to the story.

If someone writes a series about this story you guys let me know. I want to get my name on that list and get the whole set (pending on the author) before I start book one.

[walton]

http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_14359704
Complaint targets Shurtleff campaign and PAC
Contributions» A.G. says the allegations are 'ridiculous.'
By Cathy McKitrick

The founder of a grass-roots group called The Peoples Right filed an elections complaint Monday against Attorney General Mark Shurtleff.

Kanosh resident Steve Maxfield, who helped draft "anti-bribery" and "anti-corruption" initiatives and then launched the state's first electronic signature drive, has a campaign-finance bone to pick with Utah's top prosecutor.

Maxfield's concerns focus on what he says are breaches of law stemming from Shurtleff's personal campaign account and his political action committee, PAC for Utah's Future.

For starters, Maxfield says state statute requires a detailed list of expenditures -- but in 2008, Shurtleff paid Guidant Strategies, the company handling his re-election campaign, more than $285,000 without much explanation.

[texski]

okay you got me, sometimes this summer when the garden is in and it is hot , i will get some of the big love , starting with number one and try it out.
it is not really the big love thing i do not like, it is the whole idea of so called reality shows, that gets me riled up. like the octomom freak.
i am looking forward to another trial in texas. and it looks promising that utah will finally do something, even a little something.
reading some of warren jeffs writings , it is like some of those people on lsd or those mind bending drugs from some years ago. anyone remember some of those stories?

[walton]

http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_14358575
Judge cancels hearing in case against Jeffs
Polygamy » Defense argues evidence taken in raid on Texas ranch is tainted.
By Brooke Adams

An Arizona judge has canceled a two-day hearing in the state's case against polygamous sect leader Warren S. Jeffs after granting a defense motion barring use of any evidence found at the group's Texas ranch in 2008.

Defense attorney Michael Piccarreta requested the hearing, which had been set for Feb. 17-18 in Kingman, Ariz., to argue that the state's case was tainted because lead investigators reviewed evidence seized during an April 2008 investigation at the Yearning For Zion Ranch. The ranch is home to members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

[juliekan]

I said I wouldn't be posting any more links from blogs.

Is this a blog? Yes? No? Maybe? I just don't know.

What I do know is that this site has information that needs to be shared. I know that it has a nice sharp clean look to it and that it is readable and informative.


http://fldsrecord.wordpress.com/


For those angels that worked so very hard on this>>> :rose:

http://txbluesman.wordpress.com/2010/02/08/announcement-flds-priesthood-records-site/

Announcement: FLDS Priesthood Records Site

Since the records are very voluminous, FLDS Texas and Coram Non Judice are collaborating on a new site...

I'm still around, just have been busy. Thanks for all the info :smile:

[walton]

okay you got me, sometimes this summer when the garden is in and it is hot , i will get some of the big love , starting with number one and try it out.
it is not really the big love thing i do not like, it is the whole idea of so called reality shows, that gets me riled up. like the octomom freak.
i am looking forward to another trial in texas. and it looks promising that utah will finally do something, even a little something.
reading some of warren jeffs writings , it is like some of those people on lsd or those mind bending drugs from some years ago. anyone remember some of those stories?

lol

Bruce Dern has been a favorite of mine for years. But when your watching what seems to be a story of fiction sometimes isn't. It is really weird and yet not so weird. Hard to explain. The writers put in certain little things that those of us following the story would pick up on and yet will pass by so many others.

There was a couple of times when I ( yes, me Walton) laughed out loud. Even the hubby came upstairs to find out what was going on. And then there was a fight scene that I jumped out of my chair and my fists were flying. It only happened for a few seconds but yet it still happened. And then I thought that in itself was funny that I got that caught up in it.

Are you talking about the "hippie days" LSD? Tainted mushrooms? that kind of stuff?

Wow. Could you see Warren Jeffs on Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew? lol
People would be walking around with those neon earplugs in their ears. The vision is too funny.

[walton]

:seeya: Hi ya Juliekan

Aren't those guys awesome? I am going back there in a bit.

[texski]

http://txbluesman.wordpress.com/2010/02/08/announcement-flds-priesthood-records-site/

Announcement: FLDS Priesthood Records Site

Since the records are very voluminous, FLDS Texas and Coram Non Judice are collaborating on a new site...

I'm still around, just have been busy. Thanks for all the info :smile:

hi there, i am going back to that site again this afternoon. amazing records and many thanks to those two sites to put them out there.

[walton]

http://www.sling.com/video/show/237999/86/Banished:-The-Lost-Boys-of-Polygamy

Banished: The Lost Boys of Polygamy (19:42)
Looks at the lives of the boys who have been excommunicated from Warren Jeff's fundamentalist LDS (Latter Day Saints) cult. TV14 Stacey Butler

http://bankingonheaven.com/

BANKING ON HEAVEN is the inside story of the largest polygamous enclave in the United States, written, produced, and narrated by Laurie Allen, who escaped a similar polygamous sect.

http://www.childbrides.org/

HOPE is a St. George, Utah based 501(c)(3) charity providing assistance to individuals and families to safely transition from a polygamous lifestyle into mainstream society.

HOPE's purpose is to offer support, protection, assistance, choices, opportunities and hope for the women, children, families and young adults (both male and female) who have been kicked out or have chosen to leave this culture. Sadly, too many women and children live under immense control, oppression and fear of eternal damnation, and they are caught in the cycle of abuse without a choice or a voice . . . We want to empower them!

[texski]

• Inside Polygamy: Life In Bountiful (7 and 10 p.m., National Geographic Channel): No, we're not talking Bountiful, Utah. (Whew!) This is about Winston Blackmore, the leader of what the documentary filmmakers insist on calling "a fundamentalist Mormon polygamist community" in British Columbia. Never mind that you can't be a Mormon and a polygamist — that distinction tends to escape those who don't exactly understand what they're talking about.

from the deseret news today. i liked the reporters distinction between the Mormon and the polygamist.

[texski]

More than a dozen parties seek intervener status in anti-polygamy case
Applications to be considered before trial
By Neal Hall, Vancouver SunFebruary 10, 2010 More than a dozen parties have applied for intervener status in a polygamy case sparked by the marriage practices of a Mormon sect living on a commune near Creston, B.C.

Last December, the trial judge, B.C. Supreme Court Justice Robert Bauman, directed that any interested persons or groups that wish to intervene should be notified by Dec. 15 and invited to participate.

The deadline to file an application was Jan. 28.

A case management conference will be held Feb. 16 to consider applications for parties seeking intervener status in a reference case to determine whether Canada's anti-polygamy law is constitutional.

The groups or individuals seeking intervener status include the B.C. Civil Liberties Association, Beyond Borders, the Christian Legal Fellowship, the Catholic Organization for Life and Family, the Knights of Columbus, the Canadian Association of Free Expression, West Coast Women's Legal Education and Action Fund, B.C. Teachers' Federation, the Canadian Polyamory Advocacy Association, Stop Polygamy in Canada, William Kyle Blackmore, the Canadian Coalition for the Rights of Children, the David Asper Centre for Constitutional Rights, the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ and Latter Day Saints and James Oler.

It is the first time in B.C. that a constitutional reference will be heard in a trial court. Normally, a reference case is argued before an appeal court and no evidence or witnesses are called.

In his ruling last December, Bauman said he anticipated that both Winston Blackmore and James Oler would be interveners. Both men were arrested and charged in 2008 with practising polygamy.

Blackmore, 52, and Oler, 44, are from the Interior community of Bountiful. They are feuding leaders of the community's splintered fundamentalist Mormon sect.

The charges were recommended by special prosecutor Terry Robertson -- the third lawyer hired by then-attorney-general Wally Oppal to review evidence gathered during a two-year RCMP investigation.

But on Sept. 23 last year, a B.C. Supreme Court judge ruled the attorney-general did not have the power to appoint Robertson as a special prosecutor and threw out the charges.

Rather than appealing the ruling, the provincial government decided to ask the court to rule on whether the polygamy laws violate the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
v

[walton]

I am popping in for just a minute. And I will be back later to comment on the show and Texski's latest post.

For those that missed the early show there is another one scheduled for later tonight.

I saw the last 20 minutes and I plan on watching the whole thing later.

It really looked good.

hi Texski:seeya:

gotta run

[walton]

Well I liked the show.

The scenery was just beautiful. Winston has a lot of beautiful kids.

It touched a lot of bases inside of one hour but they did it in such a way I didn't feel rushed thru.

I still don't like Winston and I am glad they took his passport away. He is the kind of guy that would give you the shirt off his back while trying to take yours off. Snake in the grass charmer.

[walton]

Here is some more on Winston
http://www.childbrides.org/canada_VS_financial_troubles_threaten_Winston.html
Financial troubles threaten polygamist's power grab

By Daphne Bramham
Vancouver Sun


Texski from your article there is a william Kyle Blackmore listed with a group.

Do you know if he is related to Winston some how?

I am going to do some digging on Thurs. to see if I can get some addresses from those groups.

Thanks for bringing over the link.

[walton]

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14378093
Polygamous leader's diary mistakenly included in court case
FLDS » UEP Trust overseer Bruce Wisan takes responsibility for error
By Brooke Adams

Hundreds of pages from polygamous sect leader Warren S. Jeffs' daily diary made their way from a court case involving UEP Trust fiduciary Bruce R. Wisan to an Internet blog this week -- only to be quickly pulled after Wisan's attorney acknowledged they were filed by mistake.


Lots of talk all over about this story. I wasn't sure I was going to even bring this over here but it was printed in the newspaper.

I've been posting here for now 6 years. Never have I seen such a commotion with documents being printed any where in any story as I have with this one.

Here we have documents (aka diary) written by a Prophet. They must be really bad if people want them yanked out of public view. Was the Prophet not being very Prophetic?

I've read stories from a lot of places including the Salt Lake Tribune that have gone in to detail about child molestation and the some documents have been made public.

I have noticed that there are certain cases from Utah that are available to the Public and some are not. I guess it depends on who the defendant is or is not.

I find it interesting that Brooke posted this story to the paper but did not post her article about Shurtleff. Error? too busy? just plain forgot or she chose this one over that one. Maybe there was only room for one.

You see in her story the story is about where who and why the documents came to be in the public eye.

But the BIG story is what was found in those documents.

I wonder if we will ever see those documents. I guess time will tell.

[walton]

wow!!

If anyone wants to get a hold of me you have my number.

I think I deserve to know.

:sad:

[LLaFren]

Hey everybody...:seeya:

Been lurking alot lately and just wanted to let you know I'm still here...:)

[texski]

thank you mam, i know walton may sometimes think she is talking to herself, but i know there are many of us here and we dont always have time or something to post.

[walton]

I have nothing but high praise for the show Big Love and all those involved in releasing such a show.

http://www.hbo.com/big-love/index.html

And for those interested in watching past episodes you can either rent certain DVD's or you can purchase them. There are different sites that you can do this at but at this site you can view them instantly if you wish.

http://www.amazon.com/Big-Love-Complete-Second-Season/dp/B000RTBDV4/ref=pd_bxgy_d_text_b

[walton]

On 2/11 I made a post talking about certain information that was posted on line.

This will be my only follow up to that that topic.
http://txbluesman.wordpress.com/

[walton]

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14406293

After five years, Shurtleff says sides farther apart in polygamous property saga
FLDS » Attorney General says he's tired of being a 'patsy' in dispute.
By Brooke Adams

Shurtleff said he issued the "last chance" ultimatum after a recent disappointing series of meetings with FLDS representatives and their attorneys, discussions he believes were derailed by directives from jailed sect leader Warren S. Jeffs.

"It just appeared to me that I was being strung along, frankly," he said. "I'm tired of being a patsy."

The FLDS, Shurtleff said, appear to have engaged in a "divide and conquer" strategy pitting him against Wisan and Arizona officials, whom he says have "done a 180" on trying to settle the trust dispute and are "doing their own thing now."

"If that's somebody's strategy, I'm done with that," he said, adding that the disincorporation threat is an "incentive" for the FLDS to act.



What is missing in this story are some of the things that Brooke posted on her blog. Note her entry on 2/12.
http://166.70.44.68/blogs/plurallife/


My comment is this: Mr. Shurtleff says that he is tired of being played as a "patsy". And he has only been doing it for 5 years.

Well Mr. Shurtleff I say people are just tired of being played.

It is long time overdue that the truth comes out and all the closed doors open up.

Doing nothing has placed those involved right in the middle as part of the problem.

Doing something becomes part of the solution. <<< Catch that fever will you please.

[walton]

I've been following this story for some time.

Very recently there was a point I became afraid. Afraid enough that I thought I was going to stop posting.

I think I would be more afraid if I stopped posting.

I am not giving up.

I believe Judge Lindberg did right by hiring Bruce Wisan and his team involved.

I believe in and trust Gary Engles.

I believe Sheriff Doran and Deputy George.

I believe Texas did the right thing.



I am NOT giving up.

[texski]

texas bluesman has some very interesting pages up now.

if the utah authorites believe that warren is giving orders from inside his jail cell, why cannot they do more to stop that?? is it on attorney/client priviledge? his personal attorney is not the same as the ones on the property dispute or is he??

hopefully, the utah authorities are as tired of the flds and their nonsense as we are and will finally make some decisions on their own

[walton]

Ervil ran his "empire" from a prison cell.

[walton]

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700009926/Utah-Supreme-Court-to-weigh-in-on-FLDS-trust-issues.html

"(Berry Knoll) is just one of many issues," Jessop said. "The Harker Ranch is a big problem and just having the fiduciary act like he's our state-ordained bishop, mixing the role between bishop and some government agent … it's been a disaster. His personality and his attitude toward the people has only enhanced that problem and it's boiled over to a point of chaos."

[walton]

And further into the article:

The Utah State Attorney General's Office, which initially proposed a deal to return most of the land held by the trust to the FLDS Church that was denied by Lindberg, is asking the justices to deny FLDS requests on the basis that the group "lacks legal capacity to sue" because the FLDS is an unchartered group not registered as a legal entity or as an individual, court documents state.

He said it has also been difficult working with FLDS leaders whom he said can be "two-faced." Jeffs' journal entries indicate the then-president of the church was ready and willing to lose much of the trust property to creditors.

"It is somewhat two-faced to turn around and complain about fees and now want land you walked away from five years ago," Bodily said.

The high court will also hear arguments involving attorneys for FLDS leaders from the law firm Snow, Christensen and Martineau, who believe the district court "abused its discretion" in granting Wisan's motion to compel the law firm to disclose documents subject to the attorney-client privilege.

[walton]

Now I've read two parts of an interview with Attorney General Mark Shurtleff and I really wanted to make sense of it all but all I see thru out Shurtleffs interview is excuses.

That is it. Excuses.

Judge Lindberg did what she said she was going to do. Bruce Wisan has been doing his job. Shurtleff has not.

If anyone in this scene should be removed from position it should be Mark Shurtleff.

Bringing in another person to take over Wisans role is unbelievably nuts.

If Shurtleff worked for a firm and had this kind of record he would have seen a paper trail of three write ups and a dismissal.

Once again I say : Your either part of the problem or part of the solution.

And it is quite apparent which part Shurtleff plays. imo

[texski]

i think that shurtleff has been thinking as a politician all along. he does not want to make any decisions that would effect on election results, trying to please as many as he can, or at least, not make anyone really mad at himself. the mormons who control the state have not ever been vocal about punishing this cult, i think they believe if they ignore them they will go away eventually. and keep themself from feeling guilty about the young people they say , they can always leave if they are unhappy. they think people will just get tired of hearing about the cult and the news will let it get quiet and they can go back to pretending that it does not exist, and if it does to a very small number who have chosen to live this way and it it their right to do so.
publicity and outrage as we saw in texas is the only way to curtail them.
this is, of course, only my own opinion.

[walton]

texski I honestly can say that I am at times so confused. I am no closer to knowing what is real and what isn't.

I can only go with my gut feelings.
________

I am still watching Big Love. I'd like to talk about it and compare this to that but it wouldn't be fair.

I want to tell you about this one part though and talking about it won't ruin the scene.

They mentioned Mountain Meadows Massacre. There is a whole bunch of other stuff I noticed but I won't go into it all.

I am very very pleased with the series Big Love.

[walton]

http://connect2utah.com/content/news/story/?cid=76292
Utah High Court Hears Communal Land Trust Dispute

The Utah Supreme Court heard arguments Wednesday in a five-year-old dispute over control of a communal land trust once held by Warren Jeffs' polygamous church.

Check out the video. Does anyone know who those people were getting on the elevator with Mr.Nielsen were?

Side note: Hats are back in style.

[walton]

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700010220/Validity-of-FLDS-trust-argued.html
High Court hears arguments on validity of FLDS trust
By Emiley Morgan

Justice Jill Parrish said those who contributed to the trust must have known that the trust would be turned over to church leaders in the event of termination. When Shields questioned the return of the trust's asset to the very leaders who had breached it, Parrish said the FLDS people may have the freedom to do that.

A second hearing addressed the judge's decision to forbid attorneys who represented the church from 1987 through 2004 from working with FLDS members now suing to regain control of the trust from the state.

Parker asked that the high court impose a stay that will prevent further action in regards to the trust until a decision is made. The justices are expected to issue a ruling in the coming months.

[walton]

http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-utah-supreme-court-hears-arguments-flds-land,0,6393165.story
Utah Supreme Court considers FLDS land case
Ben Winslow FOX 13 News
6:08 PM MST, February 17, 2010

The states of Utah and Arizona oppose efforts to just give the trust back to the FLDS. A lawyer for ex-members told the Supreme Court that the trust would be abused again if it went back to the church, claiming "zebras don't change their stripes."

"When a church has as a fundamental principle, the marriage of underage girls, 12, 13, 14, year old girls, that's not legal and that's not constitutionally protected," said attorney Roger Hoole, who represents ex-members who have sued the FLDS Church, leading to the court takeover of the trust.

After the Utah Supreme Court heard the case, Fox 13 News was there as lawyers met with Utah's Attorney General in hopes of negotiating a settlement to the land feud.

"We'll just keep plugging away at it and hopefully we can get them back to settlement talks," Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff told Fox 13 News.

Shurtleff has issued an ultimatum to the FLDS Church: settle in 10 days or the legal feud could get uglier. He's also threatened to disincorporate the town of Hildale.

"I don't think the FLDS has ever been invited to these settlements that are going on," Jessop told Fox 13. "If there is, i don't know who they're settling with."



Watch the video.

[walton]

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14421528
Supreme Court hears FLDS dispute
Did sect wait too long to object to secularization?
By Brooke Adams

Utah's highest court weighed in on the long-running dispute over a polygamous sect's property trust Wednesday with one central question: Why did sect members wait so long to challenge a judge's decision to remove the trust's religious foundation?

Members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints claim their Constitutional rights were violated when a judge reformed the United Effort Plan Trust, transforming it into a secular trust.

Rod Parker, an attorney representing the sect, said the sect initially viewed the trust takeover as a "religious test" but reached a point where the members decided "the test was over and they needed to protect the trust."

[walton]

I haven't even hit the blogs yet. But after reading and scanning all the photos and videos....

I have one question. Are there any cases in the law books that support the "Religious test" argument?

Does anyone else notice the opening of canned worms here?

Sir why didn't you pay your taxes for the last 20 years?
Judge it was a test.
A test?
Yes sir. A religious test.
A religious test?
Yes.

I wonder if it would work with bank loans?

[juliekan]

http://connect2utah.com/content/news/story/?cid=76292
Utah High Court Hears Communal Land Trust Dispute

The Utah Supreme Court heard arguments Wednesday in a five-year-old dispute over control of a communal land trust once held by Warren Jeffs' polygamous church.

Check out the video. Does anyone know who those people were getting on the elevator with Mr.Nielsen were?

Side note: Hats are back in style.

I only spotted Merril. He apparently doesn't "rank" a hat. :tongue:

I love how they showed that lady complaining about everyone BUT the FLDS lying.

[juliekan]

I haven't even hit the blogs yet. But after reading and scanning all the photos and videos....

I have one question. Are there any cases in the law books that support the "Religious test" argument?

Does anyone else notice the opening of canned worms here?

Sir why didn't you pay your taxes for the last 20 years?
Judge it was a test.
A test?
Yes sir. A religious test.
A religious test?
Yes.

I wonder if it would work with bank loans?

WHO decided it was a test? They obviously didn't watch the whole commercial:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHsw4bi5xg0&feature=related

They must have been waiting all this time to hear from their "local authority", who would have followed up with "official instructions."

[juliekan]

http://txbluesman.wordpress.com/2010/02/17/flds-merril-jessop-and-child-support/

Merril Jessop agreed to pay Carolyn Jessop child support, and hasn't paid a dime. Should've been back in court today.

I guess he can't bear to give money to his apostate ex and children

[texski]

blackmore in canada seems to have been learning from the court case here.

Vancouver, BC — Globe and Mail update
Published on Thursday, Feb. 18, 2010 6:52PM EST


.The central figure in a high profile polygamy case has lost his bid to intervene in a constitutional reference to B.C. Supreme Court on whether the crime of polygamy is in conflict with Charter protections for freedom of religion.

Winston Blackmore's application was dismissed at a Case Management Conference Monday after the religious leader, who once had 25 wives, refused to agree to the ground rules for participating in the much anticipated court case.

Mr. Blackmore has requested “full party” status, rather than the “interested parties” status awarded to the applicants by the court. He also asked for his costs to be funded, something not offered under the ground rules. A hearing to participate has now been set for Mr. Blackmore on March 26, at no cost to him, for a ruling on his requests.

Blackmore has indicated he would introduce extensive evidence of persecution and discrimination against Mormons. Also, he wanted “full right” to challenge evidence and cross-examine witnesses that portray him and his congregation in a negative light.

The provincial government sought a ruling on the constitutionality of the law after charges of polygamy were quashed on procedural grounds against Mr. Blackmore and Mr. James Oler, another religious polygamist group leader in southeastern B.C. The two men were members of a polygamist colony of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Counsel have been asked by the Chief Justice to block off November 15 2010 to the end of January 2010 for the trial.

[texski]

http://txbluesman.wordpress.com/2010/02/17/flds-merril-jessop-and-child-support/

Merril Jessop agreed to pay Carolyn Jessop child support, and hasn't paid a dime. Should've been back in court today.

I guess he can't bear to give money to his apostate ex and children

thanks for the update. one of the comments said merrill was at the court case in utah today, so it cannot be said he is hiding out. i think carolyn has to have her attorney to ask the state to send out a warrant on him? anyone know the legal of that?

[juliekan]

thanks for the update. one of the comments said merrill was at the court case in utah today, so it cannot be said he is hiding out. i think carolyn has to have her attorney to ask the state to send out a warrant on him? anyone know the legal of that?

On facebook, Malonis, the attorney, made it sound like today's court appt. was something simple? I "commented" that I would like to know how things went. I'll check back later and see if she posted anything. Also saw earlier on Blue's site, I think, that someone there said they were going to court today

[walton]

thanks for the update. one of the comments said merrill was at the court case in utah today, so it cannot be said he is hiding out. i think carolyn has to have her attorney to ask the state to send out a warrant on him? anyone know the legal of that?

He doesn't have to hide out.


He's safe in Utah.

[walton]

I only spotted Merril. He apparently doesn't "rank" a hat. :tongue:

I love how they showed that lady complaining about everyone BUT the FLDS lying.

In the one clip it showed them getting on an elevator.

What came to my mind was a scene from the Untouchables.

I like the hats.
____

I guess I was off in la la land and didn't put the connection together that Natalie Malonis would be in court.

I never did really figure out the whole facebook thing. Look how long it took me to post on Brookes blog. Long time.

[juliekan]

The FLDS Loses in Court Again (and Again, and Again, and Again)

http://txbluesman.wordpress.com/2010/02/18/the-flds-loses-in-court-again-and-again-and-again-and-again/

Good update on all the court goins' on. And...

Carolyn Jessop Child Support Judgment

http://texasflds.wordpress.com/2010/02/18/carolyn-jessop-child-support-judgment/

Merril's "answer them nothing" legal strategy is going to come back and bite him...

[juliekan]

He doesn't have to hide out.


He's safe in Utah.

With all the tough talking Shurtleff has been doing, maybe Willie has moved out of Shurtleff's guest bedroom and is bunking with Merril now. I don't think Merril showed up at his hearing in Texas yesterday. Probably feels safer in Utah.

[walton]

Proof that I am not going totally crazy.

http://texasflds.wordpress.com/

You will find new documentation that has been released by anyone and everyone who has the authority to do so.

[walton]

With all the tough talking Shurtleff has been doing, maybe Willie has moved out of Shurtleff's guest bedroom and is bunking with Merril now. I don't think Merril showed up at his hearing in Texas yesterday. Probably feels safer in Utah.

I want to comment. I really want to say more. Really I do.

But I just don't dare.

[juliekan]

I want to comment. I really want to say more. Really I do.

But I just don't dare.

Now what's one of the first things your momma probably taught you...to share? I hear you've been sharing...:hat:

I checked Natalie's facebook, all she had to say about yesterday's court proceedings was that they went well. I guess if Merril wasn't there, at least she didn't have to keep waking him up. :lol:

[walton]

And today I am sharing Proof Pudding. :)

I think I have the recipe. I hope I remembered everything.

Proof Pudding

Things needed

* 1 LARGE state of Texas

* Judges( only use those that have Justice in mind)

* Lawyers- must have strong Backbone, book smarts
and People smarts

* LE - dedicated to badge oath and truth

* Accounting Firm-a firm that knows exactly what to do
look for Bruce Wisan firm (no substitutions)

* Media Outlets- Use all available but learn which are dedicated
and follow thru

* Unlimited Anonymous sources that know right from wrong



I have some more digging to do. I'll stop back tonight.

[texski]

Proof that I am not going totally crazy.

http://texasflds.wordpress.com/

You will find new documentation that has been released by anyone and everyone who has the authority to do so.

just read the ramblings of warren jeffs. he does not sound like a sane person.
best i could understand, he wanted the outside world to get so angry with his group that they would attack them. that is why he wanted to quickly marry off some really young girls, make their familys obedient, including a 13 year old bride of his own. and then wait to be attacked .

then he expected his god to kill off all the people attacking his group>>>

i cant even get my words around what he was writing enough to make any sense. hope you all are reading at the above link.

does this mean that the woman attorney was the one who sent these docs out earlier and had to remove them.

[walton]

From what I understand the "lift off " message has been around for years.
Warren, Rulon and Johnson. Maybe there were more but I'd have to look it up.

In Carolines book she wrote that they use to play a game. The kids would run and hide.

[juliekan]

http://166.70.44.68/blogs/plurallife/2010/02/shurtleff-interview-part-three/#comments

Part of an interview with Shurtleff. I thought it was interesting.

[juliekan]

Proof that I am not going totally crazy.

http://texasflds.wordpress.com/

You will find new documentation that has been released by anyone and everyone who has the authority to do so.

Thanks. Finally had time to read this. (Have my computer back from the doctor :biggrin:). On facebook, Natalie seems happy with how things are going. Funniest post was by one of her "friends" that said they didn't know she was involved in all this.

[walton]

Thanks. Finally had time to read this. (Have my computer back from the doctor :biggrin:). On facebook, Natalie seems happy with how things are going. Funniest post was by one of her "friends" that said they didn't know she was involved in all this.

Pending on which way the poop was flying maybe her friend was trying to shield her from flying debris. Do you think?

I still don't understand that whole facebook thing. It is like reading someones diary of sorts. And then there are those requests from people you don't know but maybe you do know and then there might be some from people you shouldn't know.

It appears to be more headaches than it is worth.

Years ago there was a radio show called The Shadow. And the announcer would say something like this: Only the shadow knows.

The Shadow radio drama officially premiered with the story "The Deathhouse Rescue", in which the character had "the power to cloud men's minds so they cannot see him." This was a contrivance for the radio. In actuality, The Shadow did not have the ability to become literally invisible; he influenced the minds of his opponents by making them see him a few feet to the right or left of where he really stood. The effect of having this cloaked figure laughing while he was being shot a point-blank range was, at the least, unsettling.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shadow

Tell you what. This totally describes trying to follow this story.

[walton]

http://166.70.44.68/blogs/plurallife/2010/02/shurtleff-interview-part-three/#comments

Part of an interview with Shurtleff. I thought it was interesting.

I am not sure if you were talking about anything specific but I am beginning to understand to what lengths the "good old boy" system will take to make a stinky room smell good.

[walton]

oh yeah I just wanted to add this.

I don't like Mitt Romney.

[juliekan]

oh yeah I just wanted to add this.

I don't like Mitt Romney.

why? i don't really know anything about him...:blushing:

As to facebook: I don't really ever post anything just lurk. I like that 3 of my "friends" are Mike Watkiss, Natalie, and KDee. Gives me another source for what they see going on with the FLDS. Mike posts his stories about FLDS(nothing lately that I haven't already seen, though), Natalie just posted the article from Texas FLDS about Carolyn/child support and also an article on the Lost Boys from the past by Brent Hunsacker. KDee also posts her "doin's". I think it's good they do that in that they are raising awareness to those millions out there that don't know this is going on.

(i know what you must mean about facebook, i just saw where someone posted they had the hiccups...who cares?????)

[texski]

http://166.70.44.68/blogs/plurallife/2010/02/shurtleff-interview-part-three/#comments

Part of an interview with Shurtleff. I thought it was interesting.

dont hate me walton, but i almost felt sorry for shurtleff. the flds are masterminds of the runaround and i know i could never try to work with, for, or against them without tearing my hair out.

the comments were interesting as well.

i am not on facebook so your posts and info from there are valuable to me. i really do not want to learn something new right now am too miserable with all this cold weather.

[walton]

dont hate me walton, but i almost felt sorry for shurtleff. the flds are masterminds of the runaround and i know i could never try to work with, for, or against them without tearing my hair out.

the comments were interesting as well.

i am not on facebook so your posts and info from there are valuable to me. i really do not want to learn something new right now am too miserable with all this cold weather.

Hate you? why would I hate you? For feeling sorry for Shurtleff? I don't hate you texski.

I don't feel sorry for Shurtleff. If he really feels bad I can think of one thing that would make things better.

Telling the truth. About everything. All of it. Not one little tiny thing kept back. Zip. And if he doesn't want to tell the world he can tell me.

[walton]

why? i don't really know anything about him...:blushing:

As to facebook: I don't really ever post anything just lurk. I like that 3 of my "friends" are Mike Watkiss, Natalie, and KDee. Gives me another source for what they see going on with the FLDS. Mike posts his stories about FLDS(nothing lately that I haven't already seen, though), Natalie just posted the article from Texas FLDS about Carolyn/child support and also an article on the Lost Boys from the past by Brent Hunsacker. KDee also posts her "doin's". I think it's good they do that in that they are raising awareness to those millions out there that don't know this is going on.

(i know what you must mean about facebook, i just saw where someone posted they had the hiccups...who cares?????)

If there was a slot in the Olympics to see how long a politician can skate around issues Romney would win I am sure hands down. He in my opinion is the Utah poster boy. I am sure in Wiki some place they might show him in one of his glass houses.

[walton]

Brooke is sharing some photos from court the other day. I think it is ok to post a link to the photos. The Tribune owns them but we can look.

Francisco Kjoleseth took the photos.

http://166.70.44.68/blogs/plurallife/

There are some really good shots here. In one photo I saw Brooke and Ben. :)

There is a close up of Mr. Nielsen and his hat. I do like the hat. I still think he looks older and shorter than the pictures I've seen of Mr. Nielsen.

I'd like to know all of what Margret Cooke was trying to say.

[texski]

liked the pictures, wish more of them had name tags.

the dont hate me was a joke, like the dont hate me because i am beautiful. but i do still have sympathy for anyone, ANYONE , who has to deal with the flds men.

[walton]

liked the pictures, wish more of them had name tags.

the dont hate me was a joke, like the dont hate me because i am beautiful. but i do still have sympathy for anyone, ANYONE , who has to deal with the flds men.

Yeah I knew. I was messing with you cuz you were messing with me.

:biggrin:

And why is it so cold in your neck of the woods?

[walton]

http://166.70.44.68/blogs/plurallife/

I can't even try to explain this. All I really can say is that I wish everyone would cut the BS.

[juliekan]

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2010/feb/22/woman-sues-flds-leader/

Malonis said the retroactive payments, which amount to about $148,000, and the payments up to now have become due all at once since Jessop has defaulted on them

the long arm of the law is looking for you, Merril....

[walton]

From that article: “He can either pay what he owes, or he can be held in jail until he does pay,” Malonis said.

:) I really like Malonis.

What's going to happen next?

If he doesn't pay they can put a lien against his property right? Except none of it is in his name per se.

He is supposedly one of two or three or more Presidents of a Church that doesn't exist. per se. Only in the books and depending upon which books they look at and whose looking at the books.

Anyone find it odd how much time Merill spends defending pieces of property and yet doesn't give 2cents about his kids.



Crazy ol fool.

the long arm of the law is looking for you, Merril....
did you watch Big Love lastnight?

[juliekan]

Walton,

I thought they put his name on the YFZ ranch????

[walton]

Brooke had a piece on her blog about Zimmerman.

I found another article.

http://www.kcsg.com/news/local/84642637.html

The Utah Supreme Court on Wednesday also heard an appeal of 3rd District Judge Denise Lindberg's order disqualifying attorney Rod Parker and the firm of Snow, Christensen and Martineau from representing FLDS members because of past involvement in United Effort Plan Trust litigation. Attorney Michael Zimmerman, who represented Parker, said Lindberg did away with any conflict by reforming the trust to alter its purpose, management and beneficiary class, which now includes former and non-FLDS members.

Spencer Austin, attorney for UEP Trust overseer Bruce R. Wisan, told the justices that Parker had had a legal relationship with the trust and therefore could not now bring actions against his former client.

Justices will rule on both cases in the future.

I've read both articles twice. So is Parker in? or is he out? Is the whole Zimmerman scene just another way of stalling?

And what the heck does this mean? Justices will rule on both cases in the future. Next week? A month from now? 2020?

If this continues much longer we will be seeing the offspring of those involved suing each other and new lawyers for the lawyers of the "future".

[walton]

Walton,

I thought they put his name on the YFZ ranch????

I thought he signed it over to some attorneys and either a bank and or Wendell. The Ranch had some troubles paying taxes and did some shuffling.

I doubt that Merril has his name on a pickup truck newer than 1970.

[walton]

http://www.childbrides.org/YFZRanch_and_JohnCWayman_deed_of_trust_11-9-2008.pdf

Can't copy and paste anything.

Maybe I'm reading it wrong and if so someone let me know.

[walton]

There are a few interesting things found on this document.

1. The answer Natalie Malonis nothing from Amy Hennington is listed as trustee.

2. The so called President of the so called Church is listed as manager of the YFZ LLC ranch (document signed was 2008)

3. Once again our friend Boyd Knudson is the one who has his notary seal at the bottom.


Naturally this all once again surfaces some questions that I've been asking for years.

What Church is Merril, Wendell and Willie listed as President? and where is it located? in which state?

Who is the Prophet? and where do they hold the Church Services?

Are all property taxes paid up in Short Creek? And if not why not?

Are all properties in Short Creek identified and listed as according to Judge Lindbergs rules when she first started all this? If not why not?

Are some of those listed as living at the Ranch also listed as living at Short Creek. If so and there is property tax due and they haven't followed the rules why are they still there?

Bottom line: Why is the State of Utah allowing this to go on the way it has been? The FLDS legal teams are surely using the system to drag their feet on some things but in my opinion the State of Utah is allowing them to do so.

Who has the most to gain by such action. What are they waiting for?
What are the Feds waiting for?

[juliekan]

http://www.childbrides.org/YFZRanch_and_JohnCWayman_deed_of_trust_11-9-2008.pdf

Can't copy and paste anything.

Maybe I'm reading it wrong and if so someone let me know.

You're right, I just forgot about it...:blink:Once I saw Hennington's name as trustee, it all came back.

[texski]

http://www.childbrides.org/YFZRanch_and_JohnCWayman_deed_of_trust_11-9-2008.pdf

Can't copy and paste anything.

Maybe I'm reading it wrong and if so someone let me know.

best i can figure, this person in nevada has agreed to pay merrills money owed to carolyn jessup in the event that merril does not pay up , and in return he gets the deed to the ranch. do you think this person in nevada is one of the flds straw men?

this is only my own non legal opinion, wish texass bluesman would take this on.

[juliekan]

best i can figure, this person in nevada has agreed to pay merrills money owed to carolyn jessup in the event that merril does not pay up , and in return he gets the deed to the ranch. do you think this person in nevada is one of the flds straw men?

this is only my own non legal opinion, wish texass bluesman would take this on.

No, this was monkeying around to get the YFZ ranch out of Merril's name in 2008, I think, so that carolyn and others can't get money out of it....:blink:

And the trustee, Hennington, is an FLDS lawyer.

[texski]

been having a good time reading all the links you all have so nicely provided.
the amount of money that carolyn agreed to in the texas court is small, just asking for help for the boy who is disabled. she was to provide health insurance and pay an amounts that the insurance did not cover. the monthly amount that merrill would have to pay could have whatever the government gave the boy deducted it was really a good agreement for him, but he was too cheap and mean to even pay those small amounts.

[walton]

I'm not sure how far back the InSessions message board takes a person into the poster history but I've been looking back. Wayyy back.


http://www.lds-mormon.com/06.shtml

The Expositor appeared on Friday afternoon, and the following morning and the Monday thereafter the city council met to consider its threat to the peace and security of the city. With the powers granted by the city charter, they declared the newspaper a nuisance, as they felt its declarations threatened the security of the city. They authorized the mayor (Joseph Smith) to see that the nuisance was abated. The Prophet instructed the city marshal to abate the nuisance which he and his men accomplished by breaking into the printing shop, throwing the press into street where it was smashed with a sledge hammer, dumping the type into the street, and burning the undistributed copies of the newspaper. Such an extralegal method of abating a newspaper was not without precedent in Illinois (though not in keeping with long established practices concerning abatement of a public press), but it was viewed as a violation to the federal Constitution which forbids destruction of property without due process of law. The city council had only the authority to abate the nuisance by suspending further publication of the paper pending a court hearing which would determine whether it was a public nuisance.

Crazy isn't it?

It's a good thing that we are in the year 2010 and people don't think like that anymore. Just think if we didn't have reporters like Brooke, Ben, Mike, AP Jen Dobner and the others doing their jobs we would be left with a lot of speculation. I would hate that.

If something happened and we didn't get the follow up to ALL the issues concerning these stories one would think that there would be a cover-up or the slamming of the door.

I sure hope that doesn't happen. It would be almost like history repeating it self. or that people are trying to hide things. Or my goodness indeed a cover-up.

I say Thank Goodness for Newspapers and A BIG thank Goodness to the reporters doing such a great job.


:no: to those that are trying to SHUSH the truth.

[walton]

Just a little info. If a person wants to see what has been saved in the basement of this message board.

Click on the FLDS- Michael Emack thread from the main page.
On the bottom you will see an options tab and it will take you as far back as now allowed.

I hope I explained that ok. I am better at explaining things like this by talking with my hands.

[walton]

Historical Note: This was the newspaper published by dissident Mormons which was declared a "public nuisance" by the Nauvoo City Council on June 8, 1844. By authority of the Council's order the Expositor press was destroyed that same day and the newspaper was immediately shut down. It never resumed publication.

http://solomonspalding.com/docs/exposit1.htm

[walton]

Out in the wind people are noticing that Brooke is now covering other stories as well as Polygamy.

I think Brooke is very good reporter. Both sides are told. So I am sure her talent is demanded in all areas to cover some other areas.

When I went back to the Tribune I noticed the Tribune states this:
The Tribs blog on the plural life from the nations only polygamy beat writer Brooke Adams.

And then looking at some other info it appears that Brooke has won many rewards in doing that reporting.

Says something about the reporter in my opinion.

Here is a little something I found in the great land of google.
http://www.4thefamily.us/Brooke_kudos

I think it is a great service not only to those of us living outside of Utah reading about the polygamy issues but surely those inside Utah would want to make sure that this coverage continues.

Just my thought on things.

[juliekan]

been having a good time reading all the links you all have so nicely provided.
the amount of money that carolyn agreed to in the texas court is small, just asking for help for the boy who is disabled. she was to provide health insurance and pay an amounts that the insurance did not cover. the monthly amount that merrill would have to pay could have whatever the government gave the boy deducted it was really a good agreement for him, but he was too cheap and mean to even pay those small amounts.

my bolding

tells you where someone's heart is, if they won't even help monetarily to take care of their own disabled child.

[walton]

my bolding

tells you where someone's heart is, if they won't even help monetarily to take care of their own disabled child.

A while back someone did a story on Rod Parker and it was a Fluff piece. Look how great Rod Parker is type deal. One of the things he talked about was how he wanted to help those in the FLDS.

Whatever. He has yet to ever take on a case for any of the victims of Polygamy. He stands mighty tall next to the guy carrying a check book and has no comment when it comes to the Real victims of the FLDS.

:mad:

[walton]

best i can figure, this person in nevada has agreed to pay merrills money owed to carolyn jessup in the event that merril does not pay up , and in return he gets the deed to the ranch. do you think this person in nevada is one of the flds straw men?

this is only my own non legal opinion, wish texass bluesman would take this on.

Texski here is a little more on John C. Wayman

The company’s founder, Wendell Nielsen, is one of Jeffs’ closest confidants, and company President John C. Wayman owned the Cadillac Escalade Jeffs was riding in when he was arrested, Brower said.

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/19430/polygamy-31

[texski]

quote from the link:: in the above post.



“.”
The Mormon church tolerates the FLDS, as it does all religions, but doesn’t interact with the polygamous offshoot, said Ace Robison, southern Nevada spokesman for the church.

“We don’t say or do much about it,” he said. “It is what it is.”

[walton]

Crazy isn't it?

Although I bet that man doesn't even have an idea how much the LDS Church "doesn't interact" with polygamous off shoot Churches.

[juliekan]

Crazy isn't it?

Although I bet that man doesn't even have an idea how much the LDS Church "doesn't interact" with polygamous off shoot Churches.

...like the crazy aunt that lives in the attic?

[walton]

...like the crazy aunt that lives in the attic?

It's really weird and very scary.

I was thinking back to the kinds of things we kept secret in our family. Nothing ever major.

I remember once dad used my moms hand mixer to mix cement. There was smoke rolling out of that little Gambles mixer. Dad ended up going to Gambles to get her a new one. Put a bow on it and told mom that he thought she needed a new one. That one probably had 5 speeds instead of 3. Wooohoo But she never asked what happened to that mixer and none of us said anything until we were adults.

Working so hard at trying to keep secrets and breaking the law would make it kind of hard to enjoy life imo.

Ruth Cooke said once that she liked her house in the country. She wanted to live in town but they kept kicking her out. She felt a peace looking out at those mountains.

When I lived in Utah I thought that there was something magical about those mountains and at the same time I thought that those mountains held a lot of dark secrets. Little did I know how true that was.

I guess if Ruth hasn't given up neither will I.

[juliekan]

Merrill Leroy Jessop, trial date March 8, 2010, sexual abuse of a child and bigamy.

http://www.childbrides.org/0730yfzranchindictments.pdf

here's his indictments, pages 6 and 7.

I guess the trial will be held in San Angelo? I am really wondering how the bigamy part of the trial will go....we've already seen what the sexual abuse of a child part goes with the previous indicted men. Or will they just plead out again, and put him on the first bus to Huntsville?

[walton]

I think they'll plead out. Just a guess.

Hey remember this? http://www.sltrib.com/polygamy/ci_14328816

Shurtleff urged the FLDS to accept a proposal made by the fiduciary overseeing the United Effort Plan Trust to end a dispute over its management within 30 days.

The letter supposedly was written the 26th of Jan. The article was posted on the 4th of Feb.

Some said they didn't get the letter.

When it all comes back I bet they'll say Mr. Shurtleff the checks in the mail. wink wink And I am sure Boyd Knudsons seal will be on that as well.

We have a Prophet who is supposedly in jail.
We have a new list of Presidents of what I am not entirely sure.
We have spokesmen crawling out from wood piles.
We have lawyers doing the which cup is the pea under show.
We have doing what??? while waiting for this to settle.

Are they collecting the taxes?
Has anyone moved in or out?
Are there any vacant homes?
Any construction?
Any fences torn down? Any put up?
Did they decide to make this area a national monument?

Are they giving the land back to ALL the people?

Are any groups merging?

[texski]

Merrill Leroy Jessop, trial date March 8, 2010, sexual abuse of a child and bigamy.

http://www.childbrides.org/0730yfzranchindictments.pdf

here's his indictments, pages 6 and 7.

I guess the trial will be held in San Angelo? I am really wondering how the bigamy part of the trial will go....we've already seen what the sexual abuse of a child part goes with the previous indicted men. Or will they just plead out again, and put him on the first bus to Huntsville?

thanks for reminding me about the date, i am not very well organized right now. i have several friends here in florida who only follow this case during trials and they have been asking me when is the next one coming up.
anyone know which of merrills wifes was the mother of this one???
i do hope he does not plead out, i like seeing them in the court.

[LLaFren]

Hey all :seeya:

Thanks for the updates :)