Caylee Anthony-12/12/2009

[CNTM]

Morning all.
Way over the limit on the other one.

[Sun]

Good morning everyone.

Baez's words aimed towards KBelich, "you're again, I guess in Fairyland" are stuck in my mind. To me, this seems like an odd phrase to apply towards KBelich.

Perhaps a common phrase that would apply, if said to Casey though. I wonder if Casey's heard those very same words from Baez?

[Julie Dupree]

Good Morning,
I have found that playing morning after quarterback is often a way to speculate on how the game was won or lost. Along those same lines, I wish it were possible to be a little thought in the major players brains this morning.
What was Casey thinking about what happened yesterday? Is she surprised that the prosecution knows as much as they do? Is she beginning to see that this is a very serious and "tragic event"? Is she truly scared that the truth will be told about what she did? Is she sorry at all for anything? Wonder what she was thinking as she rode back to jail, checked back in to her "dorm room", and was alone in her cell? Were any of her thoughts about robbing her daughter of her life, or were they centered around how miserable she felt, how horrible "that man" was for saying those nasty things about her? Were her thoughts more of anger at her mother for getting her into this whole business by making those 911 calls?
What were Cindy and George thinking as they drove home, pulled into the garage that had been searched so many times for evidence that lead to today. Are they still trying to convenience them self and each other that this is all just a misunderstanding and the real nanny will eventually bring Caylee home and all this horrible nightmare will all go away.
Yes, the day after often produces all sorts of speculation that produce more questions than we will ever have answers to....but the questions don't stop.
I think we saw just a fraction of what will be presented in the future as this case goes forth. I also think what was presented by the prosecution is something that needed to be said and be heard by Casey, by her parents, by the defense, but most of of by Caylee. It was the beginning of what we all refer to as "Justice for Caylee"

[ellegna]

Good morning :seeya:


Casey Anthony sobs at account of daughter's death

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gSCB_oxlbv95mfQuS7sW3xgOZCVQD9CHJNIO0

From above link:
Because the cause of death is still unknown, prosecutors are unable to prove that she suffered a heinous, cruel or atrocious death, which is the standard under Florida law for seeking the death penalty, said Andrea Lyon, one of Anthony's attorneys.

Caylee's remains were found tripled bagged with duct tape around her scull. How much more heinous, cruel or atrocious could her death have been?

Ya think Casey had nightmares last night? I surely hope she did. :angry:

[GossipGirl]

I am guessing Baez knows full-well she is guilty as the day is long, and he most likely has told her not to tell him anything at all about it, as most good defense atty's will do. His job is to defend her against the machine that is the judicial system, as best he can, knowing she'll be convicted but probably trying to focus on keeping her from being put to death by Florida.
I haven't really looked into him at all I must admit, I only know that I never hear anyone say anything good about him. Is that because he's so bad he shouldn't be defending her, or is it more aimed at whoever decides to take on the job?
why does everyone hate himso much?
Is he young and inexperienced? If so, he's got one headliner of a case in his lap, which can either make or break his career.
Please give me your feedback, as you all know him much better than I.

GG

[Julie Dupree]

Good morning :seeya:


Casey Anthony sobs at account of daughter's death

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gSCB_oxlbv95mfQuS7sW3xgOZCVQD9CHJNIO0

From above link:
Because the cause of death is still unknown, prosecutors are unable to prove that she suffered a heinous, cruel or atrocious death, which is the standard under Florida law for seeking the death penalty, said Andrea Lyon, one of Anthony's attorneys.

Caylee's remains were found tripled bagged with duct tape around her scull. How much more heinous, cruel or atrocious could her death have been?

Ya think Casey had nightmares last night? I surely hope she did. :angry:

I think Mr Ashton explained the heinous, cruel and atrocious death very well. Maybe Ms Lyons better understands it now.

[BettyC]

Just a heads up. Brad Conway due up on the Today Show.


More of the same old, same old I'm sure.

[GossipGirl]

Beautiful post, Julie, but all I kept thinking when I read it is, No to just about every question.
I think the only things she thought about were:
did my hair look good?
did I cry good?
I wish my shirt was ironed.
Anyone notice I grew my nails?
Do you think the judge will take the DP off the table?
I think I can make people feel sorry for me.

GG

[Sun]

RAW VIDEO: Casey Anthony Court Hearing 12/11/09 Pt. 1, 2, 3, 4
http://www.wftv.com/video/21930588/index.html
http://www.wftv.com/video/21930619/index.html
http://www.wftv.com/video/21931707/index.html
http://www.wftv.com/video/21932889/index.html

[Katt2]

I watched that old interview of Jose on JVM last night. JVM asked him why Casey was out partying when her daughter was "missing". He responded that she had compelling reasons for doing what she did and it would all come out at trial.
My question is--how is he going to present the jury with credible facts about why Casey never reported her missing, partied her butt off during the 31 days and got a tatoo, etc without putting Casey on the stand to tell it herself? That will never happen.

[Sun]

Julie, sounds like you've got lots of unanswered questions, much as I do. Or just comments on what we've learned from yesterday's hearing. I can watch just one part of the court hearing, and come up with several questions and comments.

Overall, yesterday's hearing for the defense was a loss ...though we still haven't heard Judge Strickland's ruling on most of the motions.

We did learn that Judge Strickland intends the criminal check/fraud case to be handled BEFORE the murder case goes to trial. And, I got the impression that either a change of plea would happen, or the trial for it would begin on January 25, 2010 at 10 a.m.... (I just sort of wonder if he didn't encourage the parties to try harder to see if they couldn't work out something rather than taking this to trial).

[BettyC]

Wow, The Today Show has their own take on the hearing.

Kerry Sanders said that Casey remained stoic for the most part as the prosecutor discussed how Caylee may have died UNTIL her lawyer leaned over to her and then the tears started.

lol

[GossipGirl]

I wasnt sure if that was the check fraud trial or the murder trial or what?
GG

[Barbara fl.]

Good Morning,
I have found that playing morning after quarterback is often a way to speculate on how the game was won or lost. Along those same lines, I wish it were possible to be a little thought in the major players brains this morning.
What was Casey thinking about what happened yesterday? Is she surprised that the prosecution knows as much as they do? Is she beginning to see that this is a very serious and "tragic event"? Is she truly scared that the truth will be told about what she did? Is she sorry at all for anything? Wonder what she was thinking as she rode back to jail, checked back in to her "dorm room", and was alone in her cell? Were any of her thoughts about robbing her daughter of her life, or were they centered around how miserable she felt, how horrible "that man" was for saying those nasty things about her? Were her thoughts more of anger at her mother for getting her into this whole business by making those 911 calls?
What were Cindy and George thinking as they drove home, pulled into the garage that had been searched so many times for evidence that lead to today. Are they still trying to convenience them self and each other that this is all just a misunderstanding and the real nanny will eventually bring Caylee home and all this horrible nightmare will all go away.
Yes, the day after often produces all sorts of speculation that produce more questions than we will ever have answers to....but the questions don't stop.
I think we saw just a fraction of what will be presented in the future as this case goes forth. I also think what was presented by the prosecution is something that needed to be said and be heard by Casey, by her parents, by the defense, but most of of by Caylee. It was the beginning of what we all refer to as "Justice for Caylee"

They were all thinking they were screwed...I believe that Casey had to face reality as to what the prosecution had on her...the defense team has been snowing her all along...Baez and the rest cpuldn't make a name for themselves or keep up their image if she was to plead guilty...so they must have been snowing her all along but a little reality stepped in yesterday...

I also agree with your theory that she was hating her mother all the more for making that 911 call.....I would suggest thy wait on that family visit...hammer...

And I also agree that we will be seeing justice for Caylee....

So I guess I agree with everything you posted...:biggrin:

[Darcy]

Good morning :seeya:


Casey Anthony sobs at account of daughter's death

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gSCB_oxlbv95mfQuS7sW3xgOZCVQD9CHJNIO0

From above link:
Because the cause of death is still unknown, prosecutors are unable to prove that she suffered a heinous, cruel or atrocious death, which is the standard under Florida law for seeking the death penalty, said Andrea Lyon, one of Anthony's attorneys.

Caylee's remains were found tripled bagged with duct tape around her scull. How much more heinous, cruel or atrocious could her death have been?

Ya think Casey had nightmares last night? I surely hope she did. :angry:


ellegna,
That statement made little sense to me especially when Ms Lyon went on to say 'we may never know how Caylee died'.
Just a thought, why not ask Casey? Mystery solved.

As many have articulated much better than myself, it was Caylee's day and a very appropriate way for her fight for justice to begin. Kudos and sincere thanks for Caylee's advocates who clearly recognize her lack of voice and vulnerability and who have begun a valiant effort for her, loudly and clearly.

It struck me also, that Casey's defense team are no longer hawking her 'innocence' . I haven't heard them substantiate that they have evidence that someone other than Casey left Caylee in the woods. No sightings of the elusive 'nanny'. In fact, from listening to Ms Lyon, she seems to be implying that Casey is responsible for Caylee's death but there will be a multitude of mitigating circumstances and plain old tired excuses. I wonder what happened to 'everything will come out at court' and all that 'ugly coping'. The defence, it appears, has lost all of it's 'Dream Team' bluster and confidence.
It looks like they have abruptly changes course from 'she didn't do it' to 'poor, sad misunderstood, badly done to, pity me young mum, with no support'.
That one won't last long so, back to the drawing boards team, and think up another version for the defense, that we can all hang our hat's on.
I say good luck with that team, Caylee has truth on her side and the support of many who have been touched by her, how will they deal with that?

[Barbara fl.]

Wow, The Today Show has their own take on the hearing.

Kerry Sanders said that Casey remained stoic for the most part as the prosecutor discussed how Caylee may have died UNTIL her lawyer leaned over to her and then the tears started.

lol

Actually she was becoming enraged for a moment until Baez leaned over and said something to her...then her rage turned to tears....

[Explorer]

What do you think Team Anthony is thinking right now? They got a small taste of what the trial will be like and I think they are SCARED.

[Explorer]

Geo and Cindy walked out? I would like to see what they do at the trial. They wont be able to disrupt and walk out!:biggrin:

[Sun]

So much time has passed from those days that Casey appeared to be "strutting" for the cameras/media. She sure wasn't strutting yesterday. I hope those leg shackles on her were a reminder to her of her status now. As CEO of her own life, she's not doing too good of a job.

[Barbara fl.]

ellegna,
That statement made little sense to me especially when Ms Lyon went on to say 'we may never know how Caylee died'.
Just a thought, why not ask Casey? Mystery solved.

As many have articulated much better than myself, it was Caylee's day and a very appropriate way for her fight for justice to begin. Kudos and sincere thanks for Caylee's advocates who clearly recognize her lack of voice and vulnerability and who have begun a valiant effort for her, loudly and clearly.

It struck me also, that Casey's defense team are no longer hawking her 'innocence' . I haven't heard them substantiate that they have evidence that someone other than Casey left Caylee in the woods. No sightings of the elusive 'nanny'. In fact, from listening to Ms Lyon, she seems to be implying that Casey is responsible for Caylee's death but there will be a multitude of mitigating circumstances and plain old tired excuses. I wonder what happened to 'everything will come out at court' and all that 'ugly coping'. The defence, it appears, has lost all of it's 'Dream Team' bluster and confidence.
It looks like they have abruptly changes course from 'she didn't do it' to 'poor, sad misunderstood, badly done to, pity me young mum, with no support'.
That one won't last long so, back to the drawing boards team, and think up another version for the defense, that we can all hang our hat's on.
I say good luck with that team, Caylee has truth on her side and the support of many who have been touched by her, how will they deal with that?

I do believe that if Baez found a body in the desert with a knife pertruding from the chest he would say we can't prove how that person died. Does this team actually think that the prosecution couldn't convince a jury that Casey is the murderer? They are only trying to convince themselves and Casey...and Baez had the nerve to tell a reported that she was in fairyland.....he needs to take a second look as to whose in fairyland...

[cassidy]

So much time has passed from those days that Casey appeared to be "strutting" for the cameras/media. She sure wasn't strutting yesterday. I hope those leg shackles on her were a reminder to her of her status now. As CEO of her own life, she's not doing too good of a job.


Casey's strutting days are over. I think she realized that yesterday.

JMO

[snowflakes]

Just a heads up. Brad Conway due up on the Today Show.


More of the same old, same old I'm sure.



Oh yes.

BC just said that his clients, the Anthonys, have always been truthful, since the beginning of the case.:huh:

[Ladygator]

Good morning :seeya:


Casey Anthony sobs at account of daughter's death

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gSCB_oxlbv95mfQuS7sW3xgOZCVQD9CHJNIO0

From above link:
Because the cause of death is still unknown, prosecutors are unable to prove that she suffered a heinous, cruel or atrocious death, which is the standard under Florida law for seeking the death penalty, said Andrea Lyon, one of Anthony's attorneys.

Caylee's remains were found tripled bagged with duct tape around her scull. How much more heinous, cruel or atrocious could her death have been?

Ya think Casey had nightmares last night? I surely hope she did. :angry:

A 2 yo little girl who went with her Grama to visit her elderly Great Grand Dad for Fathers Day. All happy, bright, and very much alive. Once her Mother got her back, a person she trusted very much, she ended up with duct tape wrapped around her mouth and in the trunk of mommy's car.

It's the totality of the agg'ing factors that makes it cruel and heinous and that's why the state is seeking the DP. People have been convicted without the body of the victim and no COD plenty of times.

The defense crying about it not being a DP case is just smoke and mirrors.

[Explorer]

I think they are scared of what Domiinic casey is going to say.:biggrin:

[Explorer]

Actually she was becoming enraged for a moment until Baez leaned over and said something to her...then her rage turned to tears....

She is overwhelmed because she cannot control or manipulate anything.

[Darcy]

I do believe that if Baez found a body in the desert with a knife pertruding from the chest he would say we can't prove how that person died. Does this team actually think that the prosecution couldn't convince a jury that Casey is the murderer? They are only trying to convince themselves and Casey...and Baez had the nerve to tell a reported that she was in fairyland.....he needs to take a second look as to whose in fairyland...

Barbara, you are not wrong there:thumbsup:


'There are none so blind, as those who will not see'

[Ladygator]

She is overwhelmed because she cannot control or manipulate anything.

Nobody is listening to meeeeee!!!:cursing:

[FindAnswers]

Casey's strutting days are over. I think she realized that yesterday.

JMO

I think she realized that when Caylee's remains were found that is why she reacted the way she did. I think in her mind that as long as there was no body found that she could get away with it. When the remains were found she knew it was over.

[Sun]

Cindy and George will be key witnesses for the State. Their statements will be used to convict Casey whether they like it or not.

With that being said, there is no doubt in my mind that LE would monitor every single visit or phone call between them, should any happen. As they should, or at least until this case is resolved.

I don't expect Judge Strickland to make any ruling that would interfere with LE's ability to investigate the crime of the death of Caylee. Even if Judge Strickland would enter an order delaying future releases of videos/calls until trial time, would it really be a smart thing for the defense to encourage or allow Casey to have any contact with Cindy or George? Smart, knowing that LE would still see those tapes? Of course, Casey is the one with the power to decide whether to take any visits from Cindy or George.

[Explorer]

Nobody is listening to meeeeee!!!:cursing:

Shes not as good as she thought. Reality check is kicking in.

[Explorer]

I just wonder what her attorneys made her believe. She really is so stupid that she thought she was going to get away with it.

[Sun]

I think they are scared of what Domiinic casey is going to say.:biggrin:

ITA. Not just scared, but scrambling in attempts to do damage control. DCasey attempting to use a confidentiality agreement to hide from LE/State is not going to work for him.

I do think that when/if DCasey is questioned by LE, and if what he says gets back to Baez/Cindy/George, then he knows that he can kiss any future payments (book/movie deal, etc) to him goodbye.

[Explorer]

What struck me as funny was when Lyons was trying to argue the taped visits. As if they are so special that they warrent special treatment. Judge Stan:laugh: wasnt going for it. I think judge Stan was laughing under is breath when the procecution ripped them! Judge S was probably thinking now there is a REAL lawyer.

[Explorer]

ITA. Not just scared, but scrambling in attempts to do damage control. DCasey attempting to use a confidentiality agreement to hide from LE/State is not going to work for him.

I do think that when/if DCasey is questioned by LE, and if what he says gets back to Baez/Cindy/George, then he knows that he can kiss any future payments (book/movie deal, etc) to him goodbye.

wasnt that a kicker? DCasey is PRIVILGED!!!:biggrin: :rolleyes:

[BJames]

Good morning to all...

I just caught up on the threads here...I did watch the hearing yesterday with great interest.
Once again it struck me about how little the Anthony unit knows about manners, lying and even common courtesy...for some reason not one of them appears to understand that this is a serious matter. Does no one advise these folks on court etiquette? This is no longer their livingroom...niether mom nor dad have the 'last say'? That crying nor stomping out of the room is going to influence the end result?
Even the elder Anthony's (Cindy and George) don't seem to understand that there is a standard to be held in a court of law, and even tho they are adults there can be consequences to their own actions?
It baffles me...will it actually take the Judge to admonish them from jumping up and leaving the courtroom while court is in session before they 'get it'?
While watching Casey in her second bit of 'crying' it seemed quite obvious to me that her initial response was going to be one of anger (the fists come up), Baez whispered something to her and she reverted to crying behind her mask of hair. Even Andrea Lyons didn't put an arm around her nor pat her hand/arm...she appeared to grab a hold of her lower arm and almost 'restrain' it. I honestly believe that Casey's tears at that point were for herself out of frustration...it has always worked with her parents and even tho it is a very immature response...it has been what worked for her up until this point.
The best part for me was finally hearing Ashton put into words what may very well have transpired the day poor baby Caylee had her life taken from her. I think Casey has been 'sheltered' thus far by her defense team...basically allowing her to believe that they/she can talk her way out of this...just as she always had with her parents.
Not this time Casey...justice for baby Caylee will prevail.


Just my opinion of course...

[Explorer]

I loved Orange Countys response to the defenses request to stop taping. They said in more than one word to GET LOST.

[kOOkie1]

Morning!
I wonder if Casey needed something to "help her sleep" last night..:sneaky:
jmo..but, I think Cindy didnt look good yesterday..she looked worn and depressed. I have no doubt that she planned to look that way..
No wonder they sit in the back it's closer to the courtroom door..Easier to run out when they hear what they dont want to hear..i guess.
Conway will never be able to give them courtroom advise or control what they do-they are evil people, imo.
Did anyone else hear in the beginning when Casey entered the courtroom and I think it was Bozo she was talking to..and Casey said..yea she brought me my Mom's shoes or something like that with a slight smirk on her face?? (yikes will have to find it)

[Explorer]

Andrea was surprised by Orange Countys response. I thought it was the CORRECT response.:biggrin:

[Jeepers]

Good Morning Everyone

What a Great Day yesterday was. The Scream Team was left totally deflated. Ms. Lyons tactics did not play well for the court or the public yesterday. I watched her (as much as I could stand) and she played herself to a "T". She really believes what she spewed at the Attorney Conference. Her trying to comfort KC during her meltdown was hard for her. She has no natural compassion.
She is a Legal Bully and appears to think that she is wiser than most. I don't know where that self inflated attitude came from. She is not an impressive speaker, she talks as if she is not prepared for her assignment. Dishoveled in her movements. I think Baez would have been smart to have ask Mr. Lennamon (sp) to stay on his team and gone with mental health issues but, I am not trying to help the defence team either. I hope they stay on the road they are on and the State keeps the High road. jmo

[chrissybot]

wasnt that a kicker? DCasey is PRIVILGED!!!:biggrin: :rolleyes:
I hope when the state gets a hold of DCasey, we will finally get to know who he was talking to or who told him where to look for Caylee. Someone( Biez, Cindy, Or Lee), possibly, may be in BIG trouble!! I am waiting with baited breath on this one!!
O/T- still following the case since it started and still following all your posts. Life intruded for a while, but glad to be posting with you all again. Good to see some of the same oldies here still :smile:

[Explorer]

So much went on yesterday and its hard to stay on one topic so if im all over the place commenting it because I dont know what to comment on first. The procecution has SPRUNG!! Fasten your seatbelts because its probably only going to get better. Finally Justice For Caylee.:thumbsup:

[Sun]

I think she realized that when Caylee's remains were found that is why she reacted the way she did. I think in her mind that as long as there was no body found that she could get away with it. When the remains were found she knew it was over.

I sure would like to see that jail tape of her on Dec 11th, however Unser and Richardson's statements of her behavior were fairly detailed. No more hiding behind stories of "Caylee is alive" and out there somewhere. Now the State had undeniable proof that Caylee was deceased. And, Casey knew it. Cindy and George's campaign of "Caylee is alive" had to end, and perhaps funds/donations greatly diminished.

Casey may still be sitting in her jail cell today thinking that the State does not have any proof. She may be thinking that Ashton is just a liar and is out to get her. Perhaps she is mad at Judge Strickland for allowing him to say such things, things that the media/public would all speculate and talk about for days/weeks/months.

[Explorer]

I hope when the state gets a hold of DCasey, we will finally get to know who he was talking to or who told him where to look for Caylee. Someone( Biez, Cindy, Or Lee), possibly, may be in BIG trouble!! I am waiting with baited breath on this one!!
O/T- still following the case since it started and still following all your posts. Life intruded for a while, but glad to be posting with you all again. Good to see some of the same oldies here still :smile:

Man you said it. When they GET A HOLD of him:laugh:

[Scampi]

Good morning everyone. i started my day off listening and watching once again the last part of yesterday's hearing.

As Crimeq stated yesterday, Caylee's voice was finally heard thru the eloquence of Mr. Ashton.

Kerry Sanders has it wrong, what we saw yesterday wasn't KC being stoic, it was KC being outraged. As soon as Mr. Ashton began describing the murder KC ordered Lyon to "make him stop." Seriously?
Is this stupid accused babykiller under the impression that what she did won't be revealed?

She was upset because of that, certainly not because of what Caylee experienced as she was being murdered.

Same with cynthia and george running out of the courtroom. IMO they
were disturbed not by what happened to Caylee, but rather by Mr. Ashton revealing it to the world.

I predict Judge Strickland will deny the defense motion to eliminate the DP from this case.

On with this trial. :patriot:

[SandyO]

Good morning everyone.

Baez's words aimed towards KBelich, "you're again, I guess in Fairyland" are stuck in my mind. To me, this seems like an odd phrase to apply towards KBelich.

Perhaps a common phrase that would apply, if said to Casey though. I wonder if Casey's heard those very same words from Baez?

Mornin', Sun. I think Baez was just totally stuck for words, and that was all he could fumble out.

[Sun]

Good morning to all...

I just caught up on the threads here...I did watch the hearing yesterday with great interest.
Once again it struck me about how little the Anthony unit knows about manners, lying and even common courtesy...for some reason not one of them appears to understand that this is a serious matter. Does no one advise these folks on court etiquette? This is no longer their livingroom...niether mom nor dad have the 'last say'? That crying nor stomping out of the room is going to influence the end result?
Even the elder Anthony's (Cindy and George) don't seem to understand that there is a standard to be held in a court of law, and even tho they are adults there can be consequences to their own actions?
It baffles me...will it actually take the Judge to admonish them from jumping up and leaving the courtroom while court is in session before they 'get it'?
While watching Casey in her second bit of 'crying' it seemed quite obvious to me that her initial response was going to be one of anger (the fists come up), Baez whispered something to her and she reverted to crying behind her mask of hair. Even Andrea Lyons didn't put an arm around her nor pat her hand/arm...she appeared to grab a hold of her lower arm and almost 'restrain' it. I honestly believe that Casey's tears at that point were for herself out of frustration...it has always worked with her parents and even tho it is a very immature response...it has been what worked for her up until this point.
The best part for me was finally hearing Ashton put into words what may very well have transpired the day poor baby Caylee had her life taken from her. I think Casey has been 'sheltered' thus far by her defense team...basically allowing her to believe that they/she can talk her way out of this...just as she always had with her parents.
Not this time Casey...justice for baby Caylee will prevail.


Just my opinion of course...

Thank you so much! You have put into words and said this so much better than I could have ever hoped to. Your opinion is shared by me, and I suspect by many others also.

I also hope that Judge Strickland makes it known that he will not allow George or Cindy to disrupt the courtroom proceedings by their behavior. It is one thing for a single person to quietly slip out of the courtroom, but to have both Cindy and George storm out followed by their entourage is just beyond tolerance.

[Ladygator]

I just wonder what her attorneys made her believe. She really is so stupid that she thought she was going to get away with it.

Baez and team are Casey's {NEW} parents. They treat her like an innocent child, just like her real parents do. They listen, don't question, agree with her, and tell her it will be alright.

They have her convinced that the evidence is all 'junk' and that because there is no COD she can't get the DP.

I hope yesterday was a real eye opener for her. Her trial is not going to consist of the 'bubble' that she's used to. There is another side - Team Caylee!!!

[Explorer]

Andrea Lyons (the angel of deathrow)came across as a real unconvincing FAKE to me.

[chrissybot]

Exactly Scamp. When The Ashman got up there, he hit the ball outta the park! He was so excellent, I had to watch it 4 times. It was all about CAYLEE. Not the blahblahblah from Lyons.

[Sun]

Mornin', Sun. I think Baez was just totally stuck for words, and that was all he could fumble out.

Yes, exactly, KBelich does seem to have a knack for doing that to Baez! And, that those words were fresh in his mind, maybe from saying them to Casey earlier.

[Explorer]

Baez and team are Casey's {NEW} parents. They treat her like an innocent child, just like her real parents do. They listen, don't question, agree with her, and tell her it will be alright.

They have her convinced that the evidence is all 'junk' and that because there is no COD she can't get the DP.

I hope yesterday was a real eye opener for her. Her trial is not going to consist of the 'bubble' that she's used to. There is another side - Team Caylee!!!

Yes they are her new parent$$$$

[Ladygator]

Andrea Lyons (the angel of deathrow)came across as a real unconvincing FAKE to me.

She's all over the place. Not organized at all. And she doesn't come up for air. I couldn't keep up with her. She just lost me. I tuned her out.

[Sun]

Exactly Scamp. When The Ashman got up there, he hit the ball outta the park! He was so excellent, I had to watch it 4 times. It was all about CAYLEE. Not the blahblahblah from Lyons.

The hundreds of ah, umm, and ummm, and ah ummm, from Lyon sure weren't convincing to me at all. Funny thing, when a person repeats the same words (are these even words?) over and over again, I tend to focus in on those words. So my impression of what she said was, huh???

[Explorer]

jBaez looked as if he was jumping out of his skin yesterday. They knew it wasnt going well for them:biggrin: I think thats why casey anthony cried she realized it too.

[FindAnswers]

I sure would like to see that jail tape of her on Dec 11th, however Unser and Richardson's statements of her behavior were fairly detailed. No more hiding behind stories of "Caylee is alive" and out there somewhere. Now the State had undeniable proof that Caylee was deceased. And, Casey knew it. Cindy and George's campaign of "Caylee is alive" had to end, and perhaps funds/donations greatly diminished.

Casey may still be sitting in her jail cell today thinking that the State does not have any proof. She may be thinking that Ashton is just a liar and is out to get her. Perhaps she is mad at Judge Strickland for allowing him to say such things, things that the media/public would all speculate and talk about for days/weeks/months.

Probably. I watched JVM repeat her segment with Baez last night and still am amazed that Baez keeps stating anyone would be upset finding out their child was found deceased so Casey's reaction was normal. The problem with him stating this over and over is Casey lost it and became extremely upset before knowing it was positively Caylee's remains while George and Cindy in their statement through their Attorney were still holding out hope it was not their grandchild. The only reason why Casey reacted in that manner before a positive ID was made is because she knew it was Caylee and she knew where she placed her body. She did not display the same reaction during the search of the Econ river when it was announced bones had been located. That speaks volumes. The prosecution will bring this to light for the jury no doubt along with all the other compelling evidence against Casey Anthony.

[kOOkie1]

Yes, exactly, KBelich does seem to have a knack for doing that to Baez! And, that those words were fresh in his mind, maybe from saying them to Casey earlier.

LOL Sun.. and he should have said that to Casey a loooong time ago..KB is awesome..she asks everything we really want to know- She is a great voice for Caylee too!

[Ladygator]

The hundreds of ah, umm, and ummm, and ah ummm, from Lyon sure weren't convincing to me at all. Funny thing, when a person repeats the same words (are these even words?) over and over again, I tend to focus in on those words. So my impression of what she said was, huh???

How many times did she say "I don't like repeating myself' but she did, over, and over, and over again.:bored:

[Sun]

Baez and team are Casey's {NEW} parents. They treat her like an innocent child, just like her real parents do. They listen, don't question, agree with her, and tell her it will be alright.

They have her convinced that the evidence is all 'junk' and that because there is no COD she can't get the DP.

I hope yesterday was a real eye opener for her. Her trial is not going to consist of the 'bubble' that she's used to. There is another side - Team Caylee!!!

After yesterday's hearing, I'm convinced that the relationship between Casey and Baez has changed from the relationship that they once had. Baez to me appeared "chilly" towards Casey. And, Casey sure wasn't flirting him up any more.

I'm not sure that Lyon is willing to provide Casey the emotion support on a daily basis, support that I think that Casey desires/demands. Protective custody comes with isolation, and long term isolation can be very hard to mentally endure.

[Sun]

How many times did she say "I don't like repeating myself' but she did, over, and over, and over again.:bored:

chuckles... the things that we remember about what Lyon said. Compared with the things that we remember Ashton saying, I'd say that the defense suffered a great loss yesterday.

[AMS]

Casey Anthony: What did you think of Friday's coverage?

Hal was away yesterday but he is back today.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/12/casey-anthony-what-did-you-think-of-fridays-coverage.html


imo

[hiitsme]

How many times did she say "I don't like repeating myself' but she did, over, and over, and over again.:bored:

She really sounded desperate and grasping at straws. You could tell just by the look on the judge's face that he couldn't believe what he was hearing. Is LKB still a member of the defense team?

[Ladygator]

chuckles... the things that we remember about what Lyon said. Compared with the things that we remember Ashton saying, I'd say that the defense suffered a great loss yesterday.

Right on!!!! The only thing I really remember from Lyons is what I posted, lmao. Can't tell ya what she repeated, over and over.

[Sun]

LOL Sun.. and he should have said that to Casey a loooong time ago..KB is awesome..she asks everything we really want to know- She is a great voice for Caylee too!

She does tend to ask the questions that that I'd like answered too! She's very "in touch" with what the public really wants to know/hear.

[SandyO]

The hundreds of ah, umm, and ummm, and ah ummm, from Lyon sure weren't convincing to me at all. Funny thing, when a person repeats the same words (are these even words?) over and over again, I tend to focus in on those words. So my impression of what she said was, huh???

I can't tell you how surprised I was at Ms. Lyon's lack of ability to make an impression in the courtroom. After listening to all the hype that surrounds her I expected more, and I even feared her a little bit. She is nationally renowned, one of the best in the country they say, and this was the BEST she could do? I do believe attorney/client visits should be private (without video or audio tape) and so I won't mind if she wins on that point ---- but her appearance will still be considered a huge loss in my opinion, for the defense, of course.

[Scampi]

All the anthonys have very poor impulse control. From cynthia and george rumbling with the protesters, to cynthia leaping up from her courtroom seat and shoving the door to the courtroom open so that her entourage could barrel thru.

We should all be grateful that brad conway wasn't trampled over as they made their way out the door, imo.

Of course this little demonstration was done to let the court know they have now lost all faith in the justice system, imo, and probably believe the Judge is biased against their accused killer of a daughter.

With this attitude the trial is really going to be difficult for them.

[Explorer]

Would like to see Judge Stan put a stop to that.

[Ladygator]

All the anthonys have very poor impulse control. From cynthia and george rumbling with the protesters, to cynthia leaping up from her courtroom seat and shoving the door to the courtroom open so that her entourage could barrel thru.

We should all be grateful that brad conway wasn't trampled over as they made their way out the door, imo.

Of course this little demonstration was done to let the court know they have now lost all faith in the justice system, imo, and probably believe the Judge is biased against their accused killer of a daughter.

With this attitude the trial is really going to be difficult for them.


Oh yes, I agree. The trial is going to be difficult for them. It's emotional as it as, to have a child on trial for murder. But their lack of control is going to produce some courtroom outbursts, I do believe.

And when Cindy takes the witness stand animal control should be on hand. She'll be rabid!!!!:drool:

[Explorer]

I wanna see the tape that shows her response to Caylees remains being found. I REALLY wanna see that one.

[FindAnswers]

I just watched Brad Conway on the Today Show. Is he serious about the Anthony's being consistent in their statements and truthful at every turn?
Isn't this the same man who came out and said his clients would not be making anymore inconsistent or contradictory statements? :confused:
That must have slipped his mind.

[Justice4all]

Oh yes.

BC just said that his clients, the Anthonys, have always been truthful, since the beginning of the case.:huh:

I'm starting to get the feeling The A's don't believe Casey anymore.

[Ladygator]

After yesterday's hearing, I'm convinced that the relationship between Casey and Baez has changed from the relationship that they once had. Baez to me appeared "chilly" towards Casey. And, Casey sure wasn't flirting him up any more.

I'm not sure that Lyon is willing to provide Casey the emotion support on a daily basis, support that I think that Casey desires/demands. Protective custody comes with isolation, and long term isolation can be very hard to mentally endure.

Do you think any of them have sat her down though and said look, this isn't looking good. We can try with all we have to do defend you but the state does have a case.

[Explorer]

Do you think any of them have sat her down though and said look, this isn't looking good. We can try with all we have to do defend you but the state does have a case.

They are using her for their own agenda. Fame and Fortune$

[pixiejoolz]

I can't tell you how surprised I was at Ms. Lyon's lack of ability to make an impression in the courtroom. After listening to all the hype that surrounds her I expected more, and I even feared her a little bit. She is nationally renowned, one of the best in the country they say, and this was the BEST she could do? I do believe attorney/client visits should be private (without video or audio tape) and so I won't mind if she wins on that point ---- but her appearance will still be considered a huge loss in my opinion, for the defense, of course.

I SO agree with you! I was waiting for her to impress, surprise or keep me riveted on what she was saying. Instead, she was low key (not that I think that's bad as long as the points being made are strong) and quite unimpressive. I got the feeling she was holding back (perhaps because of the leaked tape), but either way, it was a big "that's it?" appearance imo.

I did like her performance outside the court when KB got under her skin, though. True colors and all that! :sneaky:

jmo

[coffee1950j]

Baez and team are Casey's {NEW} parents. They treat her like an innocent child, just like her real parents do. They listen, don't question, agree with her, and tell her it will be alright.

They have her convinced that the evidence is all 'junk' and that because there is no COD she can't get the DP.

I hope yesterday was a real eye opener for her. Her trial is not going to consist of the 'bubble' that she's used to. There is another side - Team Caylee!!!

Someone should mail AL the transcripts from the Scott Peterson case so she can be made aware that even though there is no COD the DP CAN and WILL be applied.

And I would like to know what kind of mascara KC uses. With all that "crying" (which IMO was totally fake) not ONE bit of mascara ended up on that tissue. And if someone is really, really crying (as she portrayed to be doing) it would take more than one tissue to handle all those tears. And if you look closely, after that scene, you will notice that the tissue is completely dry, able to be neatly folded, etc.

I wish all the newscasters would look closely at the video of all that and stop saying how she was "sobbing", etc.

JMO as always.

[Ladygator]

They are using her for their own agenda. Fame and Fortune$

Yeah, :punch:, for forgetting that!!

[kOOkie1]

I do too. Will be interesting to really see the reaction she gave while knowing everyone was watching..I wonder if she screamed with disbelief as a Mother would do just getting that news.."NO NO my BABY is dead?? Who? Where? how? WHY??"wonder if she cursed at Zanny the Nanny..saying.."she did it..she killed my baby"...:sneaky:
I think she did nothing but shake out of fear that the truth was to come.. (jmo)

[Scampi]

I'm starting to get the feeling The A's don't believe Casey anymore.

I am very interested in Brad Conway's recent statements regarding the anthonys. Saying they do not know what happened and want the truth.

Could he be setting up a change in attitude?

IMO, the anthonys could change sides if they decided they could exploit more money out of being the shocked grandparents, who as the evidence came out at trial, believe KC to be guilty.

Cynical? You bet, but after what I have seen of george and cynthia there is absolutely NOTHING I would put past them.

[Ladygator]

Someone should mail AL the transcripts from the Scott Peterson case so she can be made aware that even though there is no COD the DP CAN and WILL be applied.

And I would like to know what kind of mascara KC uses. With all that "crying" (which IMO was totally fake) not ONE bit of mascara ended up on that tissue. And if someone is really, really crying (as she portrayed to be doing) it would take more than one tissue to handle all those tears. And if you look closely, after that scene, you will notice that the tissue is completely dry, able to be neatly folded, etc.

I wish all the newscasters would look closely at the video of all that and stop saying how she was "sobbing", etc.

JMO as always.

I had a chance to review the first crying scene again and I noticed that she is excessively wiping her eyes, very carefully, when there is nothing there to wipe. It looked very fake!!!!

[Scampi]

Oh yes, I agree. The trial is going to be difficult for them. It's emotional as it as, to have a child on trial for murder. But their lack of control is going to produce some courtroom outbursts, I do believe.

And when Cindy takes the witness stand animal control should be on hand. She'll be rabid!!!!:drool:

Perhaps Judge Strickland will order in a lunge line or two....... :wink:

[Kathlb]

Good morning everyone! A red letter day yesterday. Ashton did a miraculous job!!! For the first time, I heard Caylee's justice enter the courtroom. And when that happened, I saw her injustice leave. Well, one had to stay. :wink:

[Justice4all]

I am very interested in Brad Conway's recent statements regarding the anthonys. Saying they do not know what happened and want the truth.

Could he be setting up a change in attitude?

IMO, the anthonys could change sides if they decided they could exploit more money out of being the shocked grandparents, who as the evidence came out at trial, believe KC to be guilty.

Cynical? You bet, but after what I have seen of george and cynthia there is absolutely NOTHING I would put past them.

I pray they do the right thing for Caylee,...but I don't think they will. I think IF they do have a change of heart it will just be so they can sale their story. ( again )

MHO

[WillowInFlight]

I sure would like to see that jail tape of her on Dec 11th, however Unser and Richardson's statements of her behavior were fairly detailed. No more hiding behind stories of "Caylee is alive" and out there somewhere. Now the State had undeniable proof that Caylee was deceased. And, Casey knew it. Cindy and George's campaign of "Caylee is alive" had to end, and perhaps funds/donations greatly diminished.

Casey may still be sitting in her jail cell today thinking that the State does not have any proof. She may be thinking that Ashton is just a liar and is out to get her. Perhaps she is mad at Judge Strickland for allowing him to say such things, things that the media/public would all speculate and talk about for days/weeks/months.

I think Casey knows she is done, I think yesterday was a huge wake up call for her and by the looks of Baez's PC yesterday afternoon it was a wake up call for him also. I can't think of anything that they can use to save her.

[FindAnswers]

Conway also stated on the Today Show that nobody expected what the prosecutor said in court yesterday so there was no way to prepare the Anthony's for it. (Paraphrasing)
How did they think the prosecution was going to respond in rebuttal to Lyon's DP motion?

[Ladygator]

I am very interested in Brad Conway's recent statements regarding the anthonys. Saying they do not know what happened and want the truth.

Could he be setting up a change in attitude?

IMO, the anthonys could change sides if they decided they could exploit more money out of being the shocked grandparents, who as the evidence came out at trial, believe KC to be guilty.

Cynical? You bet, but after what I have seen of george and cynthia there is absolutely NOTHING I would put past them.

Cindy has said that before in her own words. On one of her morning talk show appearances, or the 48 hr interview, I can't remember which one.

I agree with you about 'changing sides'.

[snowflakes]

Still hard to believe that Casey hasn't pled out and would rather face the death penalty than tell the truth. Creepy!:scared:

[Ladygator]

Conway also stated on the Today Show that nobody expected what the prosecutor said in court yesterday so there was no way to prepare the Anthony's for it. (Paraphrasing)
How did they think the prosecution was going to respond in rebuttal to Lyon's DP motion?

Exactly! What did they think was going to be said after Lyon's rambled on and on about how the state couldn't prove agg'ing factors. Did they think the state would you say "You're right. We're wrong. DP off the table" and leave it at that? :confused:

[WillowInFlight]

I am very interested in Brad Conway's recent statements regarding the anthonys. Saying they do not know what happened and want the truth.

Could he be setting up a change in attitude?

IMO, the anthonys could change sides if they decided they could exploit more money out of being the shocked grandparents, who as the evidence came out at trial, believe KC to be guilty.

Cynical? You bet, but after what I have seen of george and cynthia there is absolutely NOTHING I would put past them.

Scamp, that comment is not new, he has made it over and over. And as far as George and Cindy not knowing what happened, they know. What they don't know is the why. And I doubt we will ever publically see George or Cindy going against Casey.

[Sun]

Do you think any of them have sat her down though and said look, this isn't looking good. We can try with all we have to do defend you but the state does have a case.

Ladygator, maybe not in those exact words. However, I do believe that Lyon has perhaps made Casey aware that "the State is wanting to kill her."

[Dunlurken]

I have a very odd question, as usual. Re. the Anthony's.... is it possible they could be allowed to sit in a neutral zone in court? I know that's rather odd, but the choice they are having to make is a horrendous one. JMO.

[KTBarTheDoor]

Did anyone watch JLM last night? Where they played the tape of JA. saying about the tape ? If you listen close you can hear someone say make him stop. Then if you watch al and you can hear her say I can't
watched it over again and was reading her lips an it sure looks like that's what she said.

[Jeepers]

I am very interested in Brad Conway's recent statements regarding the anthonys. Saying they do not know what happened and want the truth.

Could he be setting up a change in attitude?

IMO, the anthonys could change sides if they decided they could exploit more money out of being the shocked grandparents, who as the evidence came out at trial, believe KC to be guilty.

Cynical? You bet, but after what I have seen of george and cynthia there is absolutely NOTHING I would put past them.

Cynical = cindy and George
That is a possible new strategy the Anthony's could go with. They do need to clean up their image. The lack of true support they have shown KC speaks volumes. They appear in public to show they support her but, support goes a little further than showing up for court dates even if they are required to attend or not.
Maybe Brad has convinced them to shut up that it would be to their advantage for future $$$. That seems to always get cindy's attention.
We will see soon at the next court date if the $$ out weighs their true support of KC. Should be interesting to watch.jmo

[Justice4all]

I have a very odd question, as usual. Re. the Anthony's.... is it possible they could be allowed to sit in a neutral zone in court? I know that's rather odd, but the choice they are having to make is a horrendous one. JMO.

is there a neutral zone in a court room?
Maybe they can sit behind the Judge like they are the VP ( george ) and speaker of the house ( Cindy ) of the court....WOW what a scary thought.

[WillowInFlight]

I have a very odd question, as usual. Re. the Anthony's.... is it possible they could be allowed to sit in a neutral zone in court? I know that's rather odd, but the choice they are having to make is a horrendous one. JMO.

I would think since they are not on trial they can and will sit where ever they want. I doubt they need permission on where they can sit.

[Ladygator]

I have a very odd question, as usual. Re. the Anthony's.... is it possible they could be allowed to sit in a neutral zone in court? I know that's rather odd, but the choice they are having to make is a horrendous one. JMO.

Where would a 'neutral zone' be, Dunnie? Special chairs set up in the middle of the gallery?

More special treatment for the Anthony's? I don't think so. They'll sit on the side that represents the live child. IMO

[Dunlurken]

Did anyone watch JLM last night? Where they played the tape of JA. saying about the tape ? If you listen close you can hear someone say make him stop. Then if you watch al and you can hear her say I can't
watched it over again and was reading her lips an it sure looks like that's what she said.

Yes, we heard it. That's when Casey started crying.

[puzzler]

I have a very odd question, as usual. Re. the Anthony's.... is it possible they could be allowed to sit in a neutral zone in court? I know that's rather odd, but the choice they are having to make is a horrendous one. JMO.

I think they have been sitting in a "neutral zone". Shouldn't they be sitting right behind Casey? They always sit in the back and I am sure the reason is so they can bolt just like they did yesterday. If they really wanted to support her, I think as her parents they would be allowed the closest seats behind her, but they choose not to sit there it seems.

[WillowInFlight]

is there a neutral zone in a court room?
Maybe they can sit behind the Judge like they are the VP ( george ) and speaker of the house ( Cindy ) of the court....WOW what a scary thought.

LOL........... I have never seen a neutral section.

[Justice4all]

Did anyone watch JLM last night? Where they played the tape of JA. saying about the tape ? If you listen close you can hear someone say make him stop. Then if you watch al and you can hear her say I can't
watched it over again and was reading her lips an it sure looks like that's what she said.

Yep I saw that. If Casey can't handle this pretrial stuff I wonder if she will be able to handle a trial. I would love for her to have some kind of break down and stand up and scream I DID IT .... ( won't happen though but a girl can wish )

[Dunlurken]

Where would a 'neutral zone' be, Dunnie? Special chairs set up in the middle of the gallery?

More special treatment for the Anthony's? I don't think so. They'll sit on the side that represents the live child. IMOI don't know, that's why I posed the question. Obviously they sit on the defense side, because their daughter is still alive. But the grand daughter is dead. I don't know.... just something that could be pursued. It's bothered me that they had to choose which side to sit on. Prosecution or defense. JMO.

[WillowInFlight]

Did anyone watch JLM last night? Where they played the tape of JA. saying about the tape ? If you listen close you can hear someone say make him stop. Then if you watch al and you can hear her say I can't
watched it over again and was reading her lips an it sure looks like that's what she said.

They better prepare Casey, because it is going to come out in detail what she did to Caylee.

[SandyO]

Ladygator, maybe not in those exact words. However, I do believe that Lyon has perhaps made Casey aware that "the State is wanting to kill her."

Lyon used those words at least twice yesterday, out loud, for all to hear. I thought it would have been more appropriate to say, "The State wishes to impose the death penalty", but that wouldn't have had near the drama as Lyon's words did.

[WillowInFlight]

I don't know, that's why I posed the question. Obviously they sit on the defense side, because their daughter is still alive. But the grand daughter is dead. I don't know.... just something that could be pursued. It's bothered me that they had to choose which side to sit on. Prosecution or defense. JMO.

They IMO never had to chose. It has been all about Casey from day one. Maybe when Casey is on death row and the fight is over they may put Caylee in the forefront But I doubt it.

[KTBarTheDoor]

Yes, we heard it. That's when Casey started crying.

Yep maybe thats why al was squeezing her arm to keep her in her seat.

[Ladygator]

I don't know, that's why I posed the question. Obviously they sit on the defense side, because their daughter is still alive. But the grand daughter is dead. I don't know.... just something that could be pursued. It's bothered me that they had to choose which side to sit on. Prosecution or defense. JMO.

I just had a vision of Mark Lunsford sitting right behind Couey at some point with guards watching him. I don't think the 'sides' mean much to some. If I was to attend a trial and the only seat left was on the defense side, that's where I'd sit, lol.

Don't let it bother you, Dunnie. I doubt the Anthony's have given it any thought. They stand by Casey!!

[Dunlurken]

They IMO never had to chose. It has been all about Casey from day one. Maybe when Casey is on death row and the fight is over they may put Caylee in the forefront But I doubt it.

Then why would both Cindy and George admit the car smelled like a dead body was in it? Trying to wrap my mind around the psychology of the grandparents is very tough. JMO.

[KTBarTheDoor]

They IMO never had to chose. It has been all about Casey from day one. Maybe when Casey is on death row and the fight is over they may put Caylee in the forefront But I doubt it.

Only way Caylee's going to the front for them IMO is when they need more money..

[Dunlurken]

I just had a vision of Mark Lunsford sitting right behind Couey at some point with guards watching him. I don't think the 'sides' mean much to some. If I was to attend a trial and the only seat left was on the defense side, that's where I'd sit, lol.

Don't let it bother you, Dunnie. I doubt the Anthony's have given it any thought. They stand by Casey!!

Okay, I'll let it go. :sad:

[Sun]

I don't know, that's why I posed the question. Obviously they sit on the defense side, because their daughter is still alive. But the grand daughter is dead. I don't know.... just something that could be pursued. It's bothered me that they had to choose which side to sit on. Prosecution or defense. JMO.

I'm guessing that if they make it a practice of storming out of the courtroom like they did yesterday, they may not have to choose. They'll be in a neutral zone alright, with seats outside the courtroom. :rolleyes:

[Dunlurken]

I'm guessing that if they make it a practice of storming out of the courtroom like they did yesterday, they may not have to choose. They'll be in a neutral zone alright, with seats outside the courtroom. :rolleyes:

Is it possible, in the wildest stretch of the imagination, that they were very upset about what they learned about Caylee's demise. Three pieces of duct tape and the discussion about the last pair of eyes Caylee looked into where those of her mom?

I know I'm cutting them way too much slack, but I continue to look at things "differently".

[SandyO]

Then why would both Cindy and George admit the car smelled like a dead body was in it? Trying to wrap my mind around the psychology of the grandparents is very tough. JMO.

I am honestly thinking that outburst was made before it dawned on them that Casey had done the deed. I'm sure they'd do anything to be able to take those words back, but..........can't put the toothpaste back in the tube!

[Scampi]

Cynical = cindy and George
That is a possible new strategy the Anthony's could go with. They do need to clean up their image. The lack of true support they have shown KC speaks volumes. They appear in public to show they support her but, support goes a little further than showing up for court dates even if they are required to attend or not.
Maybe Brad has convinced them to shut up that it would be to their advantage for future $$$. That seems to always get cindy's attention.
We will see soon at the next court date if the $$ out weighs their true support of KC. Should be interesting to watch.jmo

Well in the choice between $$$$ and KC I think a previous choice may guide us. At a time when their daughter is in jail on a DP charge, the anthonys chose to take a cruise.

IMO, an appalling thing to do when one has declared their full support for an "innocent" daughter. Especially when they haven't even been to visit her at the jail.

[mickeymb35]

I have a very odd question, as usual. Re. the Anthony's.... is it possible they could be allowed to sit in a neutral zone in court? I know that's rather odd, but the choice they are having to make is a horrendous one. JMO.

I don't think there is a "neutral place" in court. But I also don't think the choice thay had to make is a very hard one. They should have been sitting behind the prosecution all along. JMO.

[Spots]

I am guessing Baez knows full-well she is guilty as the day is long, and he most likely has told her not to tell him anything at all about it, as most good defense atty's will do. His job is to defend her against the machine that is the judicial system, as best he can, knowing she'll be convicted but probably trying to focus on keeping her from being put to death by Florida.
I haven't really looked into him at all I must admit, I only know that I never hear anyone say anything good about him. Is that because he's so bad he shouldn't be defending her, or is it more aimed at whoever decides to take on the job?
why does everyone hate himso much?
Is he young and inexperienced? If so, he's got one headliner of a case in his lap, which can either make or break his career.
Please give me your feedback, as you all know him much better than I.

GG

Good morning, GG-

In case nobody has answered you yet (I haven't finished reading ahead), yes, Baez is a doofus.

He passed his bar exam fresh out of law school, but the Florida bar refused to admit him because he was financially irresponsible, owed back child support, and a few other ~ahem~ kinds of things. For 8 years they would not let him in, so he ran a string of bikini shops. He had only 3 years of practice under his belt when he took on this case, so he was new. He lost his one previous murder case, and that defendant filed for appeal on ineffective counsel (but lost that). He files motions that are premature. He files motions that are incomplete. He files motions with no relevance. He files motions that do not properly cite case law. Heck, he even files motions in the wrong place. He fails to notify other parties in a timely manner. He has had several people (including Judge Strickland) file complaints against him with the FL bar. His entire existence seems to be based on getting his face on camera.

Would you want a lawyer with this resume to represent you?

[WillowInFlight]

Is it possible, in the wildest stretch of the imagination, that they were very upset about what they learned about Caylee's demise. Three pieces of duct tape and the discussion about the last pair of eyes Caylee looked into where those of her mom?

I know I'm cutting them way too much slack, but I continue to look at things "differently".

Too bad if they were upset. They better grow some back bones because this trial is not going to be pretty. They are going to hear exactly what their daughter is and exactly how their granddaughter died. Sure I feel for them, but I would feel more if they fought and defended Caylee from day one.

[trich]

Wow, The Today Show has their own take on the hearing.

Kerry Sanders said that Casey remained stoic for the most part as the prosecutor discussed how Caylee may have died UNTIL her lawyer leaned over to her and then the tears started.

lol

Wow glad someone else noticed that besides "us sleuths".
I figured most would think she was actually showing some
real compassion.
Good to know others see her for what she really is.

[Sun]

Is it possible, in the wildest stretch of the imagination, that they were very upset about what they learned about Caylee's demise. Three pieces of duct tape and the discussion about the last pair of eyes Caylee looked into where those of her mom?

I know I'm cutting them way too much slack, but I continue to look at things "differently".

Those words were horrible upsetting for me to hear also. But, I "learned" about some of those same facts by reading the Discovery and applying my own common sense. Nothing that I heard Ashton speak of was "new news" to me.

While there was no jury present yesterday that could have been influenced by Cindy, George, and their entourage's disruptive exits, they were still sending a message to the defendant. Unspoken yes, but their actions could not have gone unnoticed by Casey.

[Spots]

Andrea Lyons (the angel of deathrow)came across as a real unconvincing FAKE to me.

Really? The words that crossed my mind were "pompous windbag."

[SandyO]

Good morning, GG-

In case nobody has answered you yet (I haven't finished reading ahead), yes, Baez is a doofus.

He passed his bar exam fresh out of law school, but the Florida bar refused to admit him because he was financially irresponsible, owed back child support, and a few other ~ahem~ kinds of things. For 8 years they would not let him in, so he ran a string of bikini shops. He had only 3 years of practice under his belt when he took on this case, so he was new. He lost his one previous murder case, and that defendant filed for appeal on ineffective counsel (but lost that). He files motions that are premature. He files motions that are incomplete. He files motions with no relevance. He files motions that do not properly cite case law. Heck, he even files motions in the wrong place. He fails to notify other parties in a timely manner. He has had several people (including Judge Strickland) file complaints against him with the FL bar. His entire existence seems to be based on getting his face on camera.

Would you want a lawyer with this resume to represent you?

Thank you, Spots. I am not GG, but I am going to print this post and tape it to my wall. Very well stated.

[kOOkie1]

So the Check Fraud case will be Jan 25th?also..Can they just give the state their plea of Guilty before trial? or does it have to be handled in court now?? if that makes sense to anyone?? Im just wondering..I dont see how they can dispute the charges.

[WillowInFlight]

Wow glad someone else noticed that besides "us sleuths".
I figured most would think she was actually showing some
real compassion.
Good to know others see her for what she really is.

HA, I even called my hubby over, it was clear as a bell that Baez told her to start showing some emotion. Though I never did see a tear, just heard a lot of sniffling.

[trich]

Too bad if they were upset. They better grow some back bones because this trial is not going to be pretty. They are going to hear exactly what their daughter is and exactly how their granddaughter died. Sure I feel for them, but I would feel more if they fought and defended Caylee from day one.

Maybe just maybe if they actually pay attention to the evidence they
might finally have to admit that Casey did it.
I know they know but possibly hearing and seeing the evidence they will have to face the facts as they are and not as they would like .

[Dunlurken]

Good morning, GG-

In case nobody has answered you yet (I haven't finished reading ahead), yes, Baez is a doofus.

He passed his bar exam fresh out of law school, but the Florida bar refused to admit him because he was financially irresponsible, owed back child support, and a few other ~ahem~ kinds of things. For 8 years they would not let him in, so he ran a string of bikini shops. He had only 3 years of practice under his belt when he took on this case, so he was new. He lost his one previous murder case, and that defendant filed for appeal on ineffective counsel (but lost that). He files motions that are premature. He files motions that are incomplete. He files motions with no relevance. He files motions that do not properly cite case law. Heck, he even files motions in the wrong place. He fails to notify other parties in a timely manner. He has had several people (including Judge Strickland) file complaints against him with the FL bar. His entire existence seems to be based on getting his face on camera.

Would you want a lawyer with this resume to represent you?I will respectfully disagree with you on this. Baez was "thrown" into something he had no idea how to deal with. He's doing the best he can with his little bit of knowledge he has about law. Three years of experience before he was thrown into the snake pit? I think he's holding up rather well. JMO.

[Spots]

I have a very odd question, as usual. Re. the Anthony's.... is it possible they could be allowed to sit in a neutral zone in court? I know that's rather odd, but the choice they are having to make is a horrendous one. JMO.

They made their choice, and they seem to have had no trouble making it.

From what I have read recently, the old prosecution side/defense side tradition has now come down to "where there's a seat available." The whole area behind the bar is basically neutral. They choose to sit near Casey, which I can understand.

[WillowInFlight]

I will respectfully disagree with you on this. Baez was "thrown" into something he had no idea how to deal with. He's doing the best he can with his little bit of knowledge he has about law. Three years of experience before he was thrown into the snake pit? I think he's holding up rather well. JMO.

He's "holding up rather well"? :laugh::laugh: You must have missed his PC yesterday.

[Dunlurken]

He's "holding up rather well"? :laugh::laugh: You must have missed his PC yesterday.No, I saw it. As I said, considering he has relatively little experience, I thought he did pretty good. And his motions are surprising me. I think he's doing a damm good job. At least we won't have to worry about a mistrial, or ineffective counsel. JMO.

[KTBarTheDoor]

Is it possible, in the wildest stretch of the imagination, that they were very upset about what they learned about Caylee's demise. Three pieces of duct tape and the discussion about the last pair of eyes Caylee looked into where those of her mom?

I know I'm cutting them way too much slack, but I continue to look at things "differently".

No IMO they were shocked because JA knew exactly what happened and was telling it in court room. and this is just a glimpse into how he going to try this case.

[SandyO]

I will respectfully disagree with you on this. Baez was "thrown" into something he had no idea how to deal with. He's doing the best he can with his little bit of knowledge he has about law. Three years of experience before he was thrown into the snake pit? I think he's holding up rather well. JMO.

Spot's post is worth saving because it is going to explain A LOT of what's happening as this case progresses. We'll be asking why this and why that many times, and just knowing what Baez IS will help us to understand. I agree that he was never qualified, but he is Casey's choice, and how many lawyers are there on the defense team now? He has plenty of support and good advisors now, and we'll just have to see how he respects that support.

[WillowInFlight]

No, I saw it. As I said, considering he has relatively little experience, I thought he did pretty good. And his motions are surprising me. I think he's doing a damm good job. At least we won't have to worry about a mistrial, or ineffective counsel. JMO.

Of course we won't because he won't be playing first chair IMO. His attitude is quite entertaining.

[pixiejoolz]

I have a very odd question, as usual. Re. the Anthony's.... is it possible they could be allowed to sit in a neutral zone in court? I know that's rather odd, but the choice they are having to make is a horrendous one. JMO.

If they are either the prosecution or defense witness list, they will not be allowed to sit in court during the trial at all until after they testify.

[Dunlurken]

Spot's post is worth saving because it is going to explain A LOT of what's happening as this case progresses. We'll be asking why this and why that many times, and just knowing what Baez IS will help us to understand. I agree that he was never qualified, but he is Casey's choice, and how many lawyers are there on the defense team now? He has plenty of support and good advisors now, and we'll just have to see how he respects that support.

It would appear as though he's listening to his advisors. Very interesting that he is still considered "lead" attorney and I guess AL is the "death qualified" attorney. Interesting dynamics going on here. Maybe it will change when it goes to trial, because I don't think anyone but AL can be considered as "first chair". JMO.

[summer]

Good Morning,
I have found that playing morning after quarterback is often a way to speculate on how the game was won or lost. Along those same lines, I wish it were possible to be a little thought in the major players brains this morning.
What was Casey thinking about what happened yesterday? Is she surprised that the prosecution knows as much as they do? Is she beginning to see that this is a very serious and "tragic event"? Is she truly scared that the truth will be told about what she did? Is she sorry at all for anything? Wonder what she was thinking as she rode back to jail, checked back in to her "dorm room", and was alone in her cell? Were any of her thoughts about robbing her daughter of her life, or were they centered around how miserable she felt, how horrible "that man" was for saying those nasty things about her? Were her thoughts more of anger at her mother for getting her into this whole business by making those 911 calls?
What were Cindy and George thinking as they drove home, pulled into the garage that had been searched so many times for evidence that lead to today. Are they still trying to convenience them self and each other that this is all just a misunderstanding and the real nanny will eventually bring Caylee home and all this horrible nightmare will all go away.
Yes, the day after often produces all sorts of speculation that produce more questions than we will ever have answers to....but the questions don't stop.
I think we saw just a fraction of what will be presented in the future as this case goes forth. I also think what was presented by the prosecution is something that needed to be said and be heard by Casey, by her parents, by the defense, but most of of by Caylee. It was the beginning of what we all refer to as "Justice for Caylee"

Hi Julie, I think in 2 minutes yesterday Ashton stripped the emperor of his clothes. Just like that. Not to mention the calm and clear way Strickland asserted that the fraud case WILL go forward and also that DC WILL be deposed. BAM.

We all knew this defense was nothing but hot air and poking at the periphery but to see it all revealed in a flash like that really validated reality.

Casey was crying because the jig is up. Lyon was shown for what she is - ineffectual and hackneyed. She's in a new decade playing with an old deck of cards. I'm surprised she didn't slip up and read the wrong defendant's name from the old and worn out speech she's probably been using for years.

The Anthonys don't want to hear how Caylee suffered (even though they KNOW and have KNOWN all along), they especially don't want the world to hear, and they must despise the prosecution for *besting* them because after all it's just a game to them and now they see they cannot win.

D Casey's depo is going to be the end of Cindy.

Interestingly, Baez might be the only player to come out on top. He's a buffoon but in his business all publicity is good publicity and he'll be a name brand, if only to uninformed and desperate people, who will call upon him in the future for help. The media also seems to have picked up on him and has begun to term him "high profile". That's all he needs on his calling card.

Maybe I'm being over-dramatic but the covers of this sham defense were stripped away yesterday and I do believe the tide has turned. They finally know the games have begun and this is serious business.

I don't think they can recover. I really don't. They can't put humpty dumpty back together again.

And Caylee... something karmic here, no doubt. She does call out, doesn't she? The day the remains were found, just a mere hours after her grandparents were on a national TV show spouting the most hideous lies and trying to play the big con. And now, one year to the day of that discovery another body slam. And I believe it is a fatal one.

I'll go and read what everyone else is saying now - this has been a fascinating couple of days...

[SandyO]

If they are either the prosecution or defense witness list, they will not be allowed to sit in court during the trial at all until after they testify.

And that's why I'm hoping they will be the last to testify!

[jakee]

Wow glad someone else noticed that besides "us sleuths".
I figured most would think she was actually showing some
real compassion.
Good to know others see her for what she really is.

Agree, as other posters pointed out, she was angry and Baez said something to her and then she pretended to cry. JVM was so overly dramatic last night with her description of Casey "convulsing" and "Hysterically sobbing" I was wondering if I watched a different hearing!

[Dunlurken]

If they are either the prosecution or defense witness list, they will not be allowed to sit in court during the trial at all until after they testify.

I realize that, which is why Sharon Rocha was allowed too testify first so she could be there for the entire trial. Ron Grantski as well. JMO.

[pixiejoolz]

And that's why I'm hoping they will be the last to testify!

Or not called at all. They might have to wait out in the hall for the entire trial until closing arguments. Imagine how Cynthia would react to that!:scared:

[pixiejoolz]

I realize that, which is why Sharon Rocha was allowed too testify first so she could be there for the entire trial. Ron Grantski as well. JMO.

They were called by the prosecution, whose case goes first. I have a feeling their attitude towards Sharon Rocha and Ron Grantski was quite different than the prosecution's attitude towards the Anthonys. jmo

[CRRJJ]

After hearing the description of the duct tape and the 'last eyes you look into are your Mom's', it takes some kind of an animal to look back into those little eyes pleading for help, while struggling to breathe--and the one she loved with all her heart is the one that is causing her to die a horrific death and doesn't stop until her little heart can take no more. Wonder if little Caylee actually died of suffocation or a broken heart at that point.
If Casey gets the DP wonder what that meeting will be like right before she is ordered to H---.
At least you, Caylee, will be in a beautiful place with no more pain.

[WillowInFlight]

Or not called at all. They might have to wait out in the hall for the entire trial until closing arguments. Imagine how Cynthia would react to that!:scared:

That could get down right scary.:scared:

[jammies]

Or not called at all. They might have to wait out in the hall for the entire trial until closing arguments. Imagine how Cynthia would react to that!:scared:

In that case, buy stock in gum and bottled water. :wink:

[Dunlurken]

They were called by the prosecution, whose case goes first. I have a feeling their attitude towards Sharon Rocha and Ron Grantski was quite different than the prosecution's attitude towards the Anthonys. jmo

That will probably happen in this case as well. Cindy and George's testimony, 911 call, will start the ball rolling. JMO. It's obvious. That's how I would start it if I were the DA.

ETA: Prosecution goes first, then there's the defense, then rebuttal, then sur rebuttal.

[SandyO]

That could get down right scary.:scared:

If that happens there'll be more camera action in the hallway than in the courtroom.

[nana6]

I will respectfully disagree with you on this. Baez was "thrown" into something he had no idea how to deal with. He's doing the best he can with his little bit of knowledge he has about law. Three years of experience before he was thrown into the snake pit? I think he's holding up rather well. JMO.

Hi Dun, I am thinking that if he knew he got in over his head in the beginning, then maybe for the sake of his client he should have stepped aside and let someone else with the experience take over. IMO he just had to stay in for the publicity. Shame on him.

[Lavinya]

Good morning, GG-

In case nobody has answered you yet (I haven't finished reading ahead), yes, Baez is a doofus.

He passed his bar exam fresh out of law school, but the Florida bar refused to admit him because he was financially irresponsible, owed back child support, and a few other ~ahem~ kinds of things. For 8 years they would not let him in, so he ran a string of bikini shops. He had only 3 years of practice under his belt when he took on this case, so he was new. He lost his one previous murder case, and that defendant filed for appeal on ineffective counsel (but lost that). He files motions that are premature. He files motions that are incomplete. He files motions with no relevance. He files motions that do not properly cite case law. Heck, he even files motions in the wrong place. He fails to notify other parties in a timely manner. He has had several people (including Judge Strickland) file complaints against him with the FL bar. His entire existence seems to be based on getting his face on camera.

Would you want a lawyer with this resume to represent you?

BRAVA! Court adjourned! hammer

[WillowInFlight]

Hi Dun, I am thinking that if he knew he got in over his head in the beginning, then maybe for the sake of his client he should have stepped aside and let someone else with the experience take over. IMO he just had to stay in for the publicity. Shame on him.

Oh you know it, if they are saying this is the OJ case of the century, he is going to stay, this is all about making a name for himself. IMO he better be careful what he wishes for.

[summer]

She does tend to ask the questions that that I'd like answered too! She's very "in touch" with what the public really wants to know/hear.

ITA Sun! Kathi does what a reporter is supposed to do. Act as a conduit for the public. Ask the questions WE want answers to. I think a lot of reporters forget this most important aspect of their profession. They are supposed to be our voice but it is the rare one who actually does that. I heart Kathi, she is a REAL PROFESSIONAL.

[Dunlurken]

Hi Dun, I am thinking that if he knew he got in over his head in the beginning, then maybe for the sake of his client he should have stepped aside and let someone else with the experience take over. IMO he just had to stay in for the publicity. Shame on him.

He probably should have stepped aside. But he didn't. I found it very interesting while watching his interview on JVM that he stated that he wanted to be a criminal defense attorney. As they say, be careful what you ask for... you might just get it. JMO.

[Justice4all]

In that case, buy stock in gum and bottled water. :wink:

I know that's right lol

[trich]

I will respectfully disagree with you on this. Baez was "thrown" into something he had no idea how to deal with. He's doing the best he can with his little bit of knowledge he has about law. Three years of experience before he was thrown into the snake pit? I think he's holding up rather well. JMO.

Baez did not have to take on Casey....she elected to get him as her lawyer.
I do not believe the court appointed him. If I am wrong here I am sorry.
But the way I understand it someone in the jail suggested she hire him.
She could fire him any time she wanted.
But I think she is just listening to all his BS and believing he is going
to get her off.
Can a defendant ask to see all the evidence against her from the prosecution without the defense attorney there?
I just don't believe Baez is telling her all what is happening.
I just feel like he is feeding her a line of BS without making her
face reality.

[Explorer]

Hey where the heck is LKB?

[WillowInFlight]

Baez did not have to take on Casey....she elected to get him as her lawyer.
I do not believe the court appointed him. If I am wrong here I am sorry.
But the way I understand it someone in the jail suggested she hire him.
She could fire him any time she wanted.
But I think she is just listening to all his BS and believing he is going
to get her off.
Can a defendant ask to see all the evidence against her from the prosecution without the defense attorney there?
I just don't believe Baez is telling her all what is happening.
I just feel like he is feeding her a line of BS without making her
face reality.

ITA, I think Baez has her believing she is going to walk scott free, this trial is going to be a real eye opener for her.

[ellegna]

Hi Dun, I am thinking that if he knew he got in over his head in the beginning, then maybe for the sake of his client he should have stepped aside and let someone else with the experience take over. IMO he just had to stay in for the publicity. Shame on him.

I second that...Shame on him
JB was not thrown into this snake pit. He chose to represent Casey.
IMO, JB sensed this case would be high profile and most likely would give him international exposure. He took Casey on as a client for his own personal gain.

[iloveatf]

Thank you so much! You have put into words and said this so much better than I could have ever hoped to. Your opinion is shared by me, and I suspect by many others also.

I also hope that Judge Strickland makes it known that he will not allow George or Cindy to disrupt the courtroom proceedings by their behavior. It is one thing for a single person to quietly slip out of the courtroom, but to have both Cindy and George storm out followed by their entourage is just beyond tolerance.
I think that Cindy & George should be banned from the Court room and Trial if they keep this up. George gets pulled around by Cindy.
Please do not underestimate the defense atty. Byden. Baez is a Joke, but this Byden; she will pull every trick in her defense hat. Her husband is the well known autopsy Dr. on TV all the time and she is going to try to make a name & claim for herself as famous on the heartbreak of this small child's murder. Shame on you Mrs. Byden....trying to get Fame & $$, on this child's horrible murder. It won't work, Ms. Byden, our Jurors in Florida are smarter than that. This is a Child, an innocent baby, and in Florida we don't take kindly to baby killers.

[BJames]

I think it is going to be really interesting to see how Casey 'behaves' in the cheque trial, in a way I am surprised that she hasn't pled that out..but she isn't one to admit anything even when cornered with the truth.
Yesterday was probably a really rude awakening for the girl, thus far it seems as if no one has truly talked to her about the realities of all of this. It seems as if Caylee has been the 'pink elephant' in the room with everyone around her, her defense team...parents..etc. Casey got a glimpse of what to look forward to...her lies are going to be challenged unlike it has been for most (if not all) of her life. She can't throw a fit, yell her head off...call names nor slam doors...and I think that has always been her 'defense' routine in her past life.
The focus shifted yesterday...it isn't about Cindy and George as 'victims'...nor about Casey and everyone telling stories about her and making her a 'victim...
...the focus is finally about the true victim in all of this, a two year old baby Caylee. Who couldn't defend herself...and the very people who were meant to protect her discarded her like trash...and have gone on to reap rewards based on her losing her life.
She deserves justice..and none of them should get sympathy at all, they gave up that sympathy when they cashed their fist cheque and ate their first crab puff.


Just my opinion of course...

[trich]

ITA Sun! Kathi does what a reporter is supposed to do. Act as a conduit for the public. Ask the questions WE want answers to. I think a lot of reporters forget this most important aspect of their profession. They are supposed to be our voice but it is the rare one who actually does that. I heart Kathi, she is a REAL PROFESSIONAL.

Oh I agree....so many reporters will not ask the hard questions
that they have to know most people want to have answered.
That goes for anything not just this case.
There should be more reporters like Kathi that is for sure.

[Jeepers]

Good morning, GG-

In case nobody has answered you yet (I haven't finished reading ahead), yes, Baez is a doofus.

He passed his bar exam fresh out of law school, but the Florida bar refused to admit him because he was financially irresponsible, owed back child support, and a few other ~ahem~ kinds of things. For 8 years they would not let him in, so he ran a string of bikini shops. He had only 3 years of practice under his belt when he took on this case, so he was new. He lost his one previous murder case, and that defendant filed for appeal on ineffective counsel (but lost that). He files motions that are premature. He files motions that are incomplete. He files motions with no relevance. He files motions that do not properly cite case law. Heck, he even files motions in the wrong place. He fails to notify other parties in a timely manner. He has had several people (including Judge Strickland) file complaints against him with the FL bar. His entire existence seems to be based on getting his face on camera.

Would you want a lawyer with this resume to represent you?

Motion Sickness is what he gives me.

[Dunlurken]

A defense attorney has a very difficult time trying to defend someone they believe is guilty. But that's their job. And I do think in his heart he knows Casey did this. But they are supposed to keep their emotions in check and do the best job they can and bring in the best of the best to defend their client aka the "dream team".

I would guess eventually we will see Baez's book after Casey is found guilty and put on death row. Will I buy his book? Probably. JMO.

[SandyO]

ITA, I think Baez has her believing she is going to walk scott free, this trial is going to be a real eye opener for her.

Maybe not after yesterday, Willow. I sense a definite change in mood.

[summer]

Is it possible, in the wildest stretch of the imagination, that they were very upset about what they learned about Caylee's demise. Three pieces of duct tape and the discussion about the last pair of eyes Caylee looked into where those of her mom?

I know I'm cutting them way too much slack, but I continue to look at things "differently".

The only thing about that, Dunnie, is that they came back for chit-chat after Ashton was done. So it was just that they were in a snit... how DARE the prosecution do that? They didn't rush out and leave the courthouse in distress to go home and mourn the horrible torture that Caylee must've suffered.

Two minutes. They couldn't handle two minutes. How are they going to get through trial?

[Duke]

I am probably off on the subject within this page but I wanted to express my take on George and Cindy leaving the courtroom. Sure they were raged with hearing what was expected from what the prosecution said. I mean they can't be that dumb to think anything else. But I think that they did this to make a point to the judge to show their disbelief with the accusations. Extremely in poor taste. Something obviously happened to Caylee but I think they should have stayed there to at least listen to what their daughter is being suspected with. To jump up and make a scene is just insane. They are in disbelief to the extreme. If they really believed in KC, then they would have stayed to listen so they can contribute to her defense. They did not so their only action is to flee and not here the truth or what possibly could have happend. Cindy is probably not eating to make herself look thin and meek to make a point too. Everything she does is to put herself into the media. Her thought is (in my thought only) "my daughter is innocent, just see how I much I believe this. I am just wasting away because KC is being unjustly accused. Please feel my pain and believe us". Yada, Yada, and Yada. I saw no tears for Calyee from them except tears for KC. I don't see them searching for the real killer either. The fact that they will not visit KC is just plain wrong if they REALLY believe that she is innocent. How hard is it to go to your daughters side and say I love you between some Plexiglas? It speaks volumes to me. I think that they know that they will probably be implicated in this crime from the defense ( lets just throw anyone under the bus) and they have no option but to hide in the shadows and show KC support so she will not take them down also. I don't think they trust her to not to do this. They are running scared. I tend to write way too much to make a point. LOL. I hope at least someone will read this.

[Dunlurken]

The only thing about that, Dunnie, is that they came back for chit-chat after Ashton was done. So it was just that they were in a snit... how DARE the prosecution do that? They didn't rush out and leave the courthouse in distress to go home and mourn the horrible torture that Caylee must've suffered.

Two minutes. They couldn't handle two minutes. How are they going to get through trial?

I doubt they will be able to get through the trial. JMO.

[summer]

HA, I even called my hubby over, it was clear as a bell that Baez told her to start showing some emotion. Though I never did see a tear, just heard a lot of sniffling.

It was so clear, wasn't it? I watched that clip again and you could see Baez glancing over her way when Ashton started. Then he glanced again and confirmed she was starting with fisties. Then he went in. She took a split second and got herself in crying mode.

[summer4meplz]

Actually she was becoming enraged for a moment until Baez leaned over and said something to her...then her rage turned to tears....

I totally agree Barbara...casey looked outraged to me ...not sad or heartbroken at all.....she just doesn't seem to understand human emotion...imo

[jammies]

I would bet MONEY that the A's departure from the courtroom was pre-planned.

[summer]

They made their choice, and they seem to have had no trouble making it.

From what I have read recently, the old prosecution side/defense side tradition has now come down to "where there's a seat available." The whole area behind the bar is basically neutral. They choose to sit near Casey, which I can understand.

Yeah, I heard that D Casey sat on the prosecution side yesterday so there ya go. The room is obviously not divided according to sympathy anymore.

[jammies]

Yeah, I heard that D Casey sat on the prosecution side yesterday so there ya go. The room is obviously not divided according to sympathy anymore.

Interesting. Did he and Cindy break up? :tongueside:

[Dunlurken]

I hope at least someone will read this.


Snipped to address: I read your post. Good points. However, Jose was the one who told Casey not to accept any visitors because the visits were being taped.

Here's a question I have. Why isn't Jose allowed to speak to Casey without it being recorded? I've never heard of that. Attorney/Client privilege. I wasn't aware that those "discussions" were "taped".

Can anyone help me out on this one? TIA.

[Roux]

I totally agree Barbara...casey looked outraged to me ...not sad or heartbroken at all.....she just doesn't seem to understand human emotion...imo

Maybe it was just my monitor but her face was so red when she was "crying." Looked more like rage to me.

[summer]

Or not called at all. They might have to wait out in the hall for the entire trial until closing arguments. Imagine how Cynthia would react to that!:scared:

Ha! They certainly can't be trusted not to watch or listen to the proceedings from a comfortable place. They're clearly untrustworthy. I bet it's either the hallway or a padded room.

[Steps]

Actually she was becoming enraged for a moment until Baez leaned over and said something to her...then her rage turned to tears....

I agree, Barb! Her first expression showed rage. She had glaring eyes and was tight lipped. Lyon was even hanging onto her arm, not to console, but to try to reign in some momentary anger. She even had her fists balled up! I think it wouldn't have taken much to have seen the same Casey that we saw in the jail house video when she had her temper tantrum with her parents. She was irrate that the prosecution was describing exactly what she did to her daughter. It was great to see a motion hearing that brought back the "true" victim. Casey, Cindy and George just saw a small preview of what is instore for them. Biaz should be begging the prosecution for a plea deal!! MOO, of course!

[WillowInFlight]

I doubt they will be able to get through the trial. JMO.

I have no doubt they will get through the trial. IMO they have come to terms what their daughter has done. Now they just have to hear the details. I'm sure Cindy will be taking notes, she will be writing a book after all.

[Roux]

Snipped to address: I read your post. Good points. However, Jose was the one who told Casey not to accept any visitors because the visits were being taped.

Here's a question I have. Why isn't Jose allowed to speak to Casey without it being recorded? I've never heard of that. Attorney/Client privilege. I wasn't aware that those "discussions" were "taped".

Can anyone help me out on this one? TIA.

It is standard procedure at the Orange County jail. Only video, no sound, which some of the TH's on TruTV implied yesterday. Every inmate is taped while conferring with their attorney.

[Jeepers]

I am probably off on the subject within this page but I wanted to express my take on George and Cindy leaving the courtroom. Sure they were raged with hearing what was expected from what the prosecution said. I mean they can't be that dumb to think anything else. But I think that they did this to make a point to the judge to show their disbelief with the accusations. Extremely in poor taste. Something obviously happened to Caylee but I think they should have stayed there to at least listen to what their daughter is being suspected with. To jump up and make a scene is just insane. They are in disbelief to the extreme. If they really believed in KC, then they would have stayed to listen so they can contribute to her defense. They did not so their only action is to flee and not here the truth or what possibly could have happend. Cindy is probably not eating to make herself look thin and meek to make a point too. Everything she does is to put herself into the media. Her thought is (in my thought only) "my daughter is innocent, just see how I much I believe this. I am just wasting away because KC is being unjustly accused. Please feel my pain and believe us". Yada, Yada, and Yada. I saw no tears for Calyee from them except tears for KC. I don't see them searching for the real killer either. The fact that they will not visit KC is just plain wrong if they REALLY believe that she is innocent. How hard is it to go to your daughters side and say I love you between some Plexiglas? It speaks volumes to me. I think that they know that they will probably be implicated in this crime from the defense ( lets just throw anyone under the bus) and they have no option but to hide in the shadows and show KC support so she will not take them down also. I don't think they trust her to not to do this. They are running scared. I tend to write way too much to make a point. LOL. I hope at least someone will read this.

I so agree with you. Fight or Flight is automatic response.The Anthony's are scared, with Mr. Ashton's simply laying out the facts, the Anthony's chose Flight. They cannot handle what their daughter has done. The also cannot handle seeing KC if the truth be known. Their public face and their actions are contary to each.

[WillowInFlight]

Snipped to address: I read your post. Good points. However, Jose was the one who told Casey not to accept any visitors because the visits were being taped.

Here's a question I have. Why isn't Jose allowed to speak to Casey without it being recorded? I've never heard of that. Attorney/Client privilege. I wasn't aware that those "discussions" were "taped".

Can anyone help me out on this one? TIA.

As well as they should be. specially with this twosome, they are taped but from what I heard yesterday there is no audio.

[Dunlurken]

It is standard procedure at the Orange County jail. Only video, no sound, which some of the TH's on TruTV implied yesterday. Every inmate is taped while conferring with their attorney.

I thought that was right. The TH's sure do mess things up. A camera is running, video only, in case the inmate tries to attack their attorney. People misunderstood JB's motion I think. Not quite sure I understand it now myself. LOL.

[*MoonRider*]

It was so clear, wasn't it? I watched that clip again and you could see Baez glancing over her way when Ashton started. Then he glanced again and confirmed she was starting with fisties. Then he went in. She took a split second and got herself in crying mode.

Here's a pic of her starting to get upset.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/wrist.jpg

[summer]

I am probably off on the subject within this page but I wanted to express my take on George and Cindy leaving the courtroom. Sure they were raged with hearing what was expected from what the prosecution said. I mean they can't be that dumb to think anything else. But I think that they did this to make a point to the judge to show their disbelief with the accusations. Extremely in poor taste. Something obviously happened to Caylee but I think they should have stayed there to at least listen to what their daughter is being suspected with. To jump up and make a scene is just insane. They are in disbelief to the extreme. If they really believed in KC, then they would have stayed to listen so they can contribute to her defense. They did not so their only action is to flee and not here the truth or what possibly could have happend. Cindy is probably not eating to make herself look thin and meek to make a point too. Everything she does is to put herself into the media. Her thought is (in my thought only) "my daughter is innocent, just see how I much I believe this. I am just wasting away because KC is being unjustly accused. Please feel my pain and believe us". Yada, Yada, and Yada. I saw no tears for Calyee from them except tears for KC. I don't see them searching for the real killer either. The fact that they will not visit KC is just plain wrong if they REALLY believe that she is innocent. How hard is it to go to your daughters side and say I love you between some Plexiglas? It speaks volumes to me. I think that they know that they will probably be implicated in this crime from the defense ( lets just throw anyone under the bus) and they have no option but to hide in the shadows and show KC support so she will not take them down also. I don't think they trust her to not to do this. They are running scared. I tend to write way too much to make a point. LOL. I hope at least someone will read this.

I read it! And I liked it Duke. More like this please. :wub:

[JILLY]

Yeah, I heard that D Casey sat on the prosecution side yesterday so there ya go. The room is obviously not divided according to sympathy anymore.


you are correct. I was there for court hearing and told take seat last row . when some left you could change seats. it was very powerful in court room when state atty spoke.

[Dunlurken]

Here's a pic of her starting to get upset.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/wrist.jpg

I will respectfully disagree once again. Screen shots don't show the whole picture. I thought she was "yawning" until I watched the video. JMO.

[Steps]

I hope when the state gets a hold of DCasey, we will finally get to know who he was talking to or who told him where to look for Caylee. Someone( Biez, Cindy, Or Lee), possibly, may be in BIG trouble!! I am waiting with baited breath on this one!!
O/T- still following the case since it started and still following all your posts. Life intruded for a while, but glad to be posting with you all again. Good to see some of the same oldies here still :smile:

Is there any chance that DC will take the 5th and refuse to answer any important questions? I'm afraid that when he's asked who he was tallking to on the phone, and who sent him to that location he will refuse to answer! What recourse does the state have then? Hope some legal minds can help us on that question!!:huh:

[summer]

Interesting. Did he and Cindy break up? :tongueside:

Heh, for a split second when I heard where he sat I thought... *maybe*. But then I woke up. :smile:

[BettyC]

I am probably off on the subject within this page but I wanted to express my take on George and Cindy leaving the courtroom. Sure they were raged with hearing what was expected from what the prosecution said. I mean they can't be that dumb to think anything else. But I think that they did this to make a point to the judge to show their disbelief with the accusations. Extremely in poor taste. Something obviously happened to Caylee but I think they should have stayed there to at least listen to what their daughter is being suspected with. To jump up and make a scene is just insane. They are in disbelief to the extreme. If they really believed in KC, then they would have stayed to listen so they can contribute to her defense. They did not so their only action is to flee and not here the truth or what possibly could have happend. Cindy is probably not eating to make herself look thin and meek to make a point too. Everything she does is to put herself into the media. Her thought is (in my thought only) "my daughter is innocent, just see how I much I believe this. I am just wasting away because KC is being unjustly accused. Please feel my pain and believe us". Yada, Yada, and Yada. I saw no tears for Calyee from them except tears for KC. I don't see them searching for the real killer either. The fact that they will not visit KC is just plain wrong if they REALLY believe that she is innocent. How hard is it to go to your daughters side and say I love you between some Plexiglas? It speaks volumes to me. I think that they know that they will probably be implicated in this crime from the defense ( lets just throw anyone under the bus) and they have no option but to hide in the shadows and show KC support so she will not take them down also. I don't think they trust her to not to do this. They are running scared. I tend to write way too much to make a point. LOL. I hope at least someone will read this.

Duke, I read every word. I think Cindy looked horrible too but feel she thinks she looks good. She's not wasting away IMO, she's loving her new figure and lifestyle.

Even if they believe Casey did this, there is nothing stopping them from visiting her and telling her they love her. They have to know that something went terribly wrong and Caylee paid the price.

Until Casey's convinced they will "just forget about it" and only support her effort to get away with this crime, she won't let them visit her. At this point, I believe the Anthonys can do that. After all, she's learned her lesson right?

[*MoonRider*]

Snipped to address: I read your post. Good points. However, Jose was the one who told Casey not to accept any visitors because the visits were being taped.

Here's a question I have. Why isn't Jose allowed to speak to Casey without it being recorded? I've never heard of that. Attorney/Client privilege. I wasn't aware that those "discussions" were "taped".

Can anyone help me out on this one? TIA.

They are videotaped but there is NO Audio. Audio = sound.

There are security cameras all over the jail for protection. Inmates have been know to attack their attorneys. jmo

[Beasmom]

Here's a pic of her starting to get upset.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/wrist.jpg

This picture is worth a thousand words.

[SandyO]

Here's a pic of her starting to get upset.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/wrist.jpg

She looks just about ready to make a punch, doesn't she?

[Sun]

Maybe it was just my monitor but her face was so red when she was "crying." Looked more like rage to me.

Yes, her face did become red, IMO too. Rage, embarrassment, guilt.

[Jeepers]

you are correct. I was there for court hearing and told take seat last row . when some left you could change seats. it was very powerful in court room when state atty spoke.

Oh Jilly how fortunate you were able to attend. I was so taken by Mr Ashton watching on TV it must have mind blowing to have actually been there.

[Dunlurken]

They are videotaped but there is NO Audio. Audio = sound.

There are security cameras all over the jail for protection. Inmates have been know to attack their attorneys. jmo

Then what was the motion about? So she could speak to her family in private? No audio? That one has me baffled. :confused:

[summer]

Here's a pic of her starting to get upset.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/wrist.jpg

Yup. She looks all indignant like a 13-year old who just got grounded for breaking curfew and is ready to start a tantrum. But gee, Casey, you're on trial for murder. Better find a new attitude. :angry:

[WillowInFlight]

Yes, her face did become red, IMO too. Rage, embarrassment, guilt.

I'll agree with the rage part. I don't think Casey is capable of feeling guilt.

[summer]

you are correct. I was there for court hearing and told take seat last row . when some left you could change seats. it was very powerful in court room when state atty spoke.

Wow Jilly. Anything else about the experience you'd like to share. You could be poster of the day... :smile:

[summer]

Is there any chance that DC will take the 5th and refuse to answer any important questions? I'm afraid that when he's asked who he was tallking to on the phone, and who sent him to that location he will refuse to answer! What recourse does the state have then? Hope some legal minds can help us on that question!!:huh:

I think he will try of course and his attorney will do her best - but Strickland said he will be ON CALL during the interview and will make the decisions as questions come up. I don't think D Casey is going to get away with too much.

[SandyO]

Wow Jilly. Anything else about the experience you'd like to share. You could be poster of the day... :smile:

And Jilly, what was the reaction in the courtroom when Cindy & George & entourage barrelled out?

[summer]

And Jilly, what was the reaction in the courtroom when Cindy & George & entourage barrelled out?

Yes! And Jilly, do you think the judge noticed them leaving? I know they didn't slam doors or anything but was their exit noticeable to pretty much everyone? Did they slink out or did they make sure they were seen doing it?

[BlueTurtle]

So much time has passed from those days that Casey appeared to be "strutting" for the cameras/media. She sure wasn't strutting yesterday. I hope those leg shackles on her were a reminder to her of her status now. As CEO of her own life, she's not doing too good of a job.

Someone said something about the chains clinking as she walked in. I made a special effort to catch that. Yup. Oh so satisfying.

[Steps]

I'm guessing that if they make it a practice of storming out of the courtroom like they did yesterday, they may not have to choose. They'll be in a neutral zone alright, with seats outside the courtroom. :rolleyes:

I hope this judge does like Ito did during the Simpson trial. No one was allowed to leave or enter the courtroom until a break was called or a new witness was put on the stand. This would keep George and Cindy from jumping up and down trying to interrupt the proceedings!

[Dunlurken]

I hope this judge does like Ito did during the Simpson trial. No one was allowed to leave or enter the courtroom until a break was called or a new witness was put on the stand. This would keep George and Cindy from jumping up and down trying to interrupt the proceedings!

We aren't at that "point" yet. And we could very well have a different Judge if there is a COV. JMO.

[SandyO]

I hope this judge does like Ito did during the Simpson trial. No one was allowed to leave or enter the courtroom until a break was called or a new witness was put on the stand. This would keep George and Cindy from jumping up and down trying to interrupt the proceedings!

If nothing else at all, this behavior shows Judge Strickland just what kind of people these are.

[puzzler]

We aren't at that "point" yet. And we could very well have a different Judge if there is a COV. JMO.

It is my understanding that even with a COV Strickland will still be the judge.

[summer]

I hope this judge does like Ito did during the Simpson trial. No one was allowed to leave or enter the courtroom until a break was called or a new witness was put on the stand. This would keep George and Cindy from jumping up and down trying to interrupt the proceedings!

Thinking about what Jeepers mentioned earlier and I'm starting to agree that this was pre-planned. Ashton only spoke for 2 minutes or so and they couldn't have known how long he'd go on. They left way too soon if it was a spontaneous move. IMO. So rude. They really did hope to disrupt his flow.

[puzzler]

Thinking about what Jeepers mentioned earlier and I'm starting to agree that this was pre-planned. Ashton only spoke for 2 minutes or so and they couldn't have known how long he'd go on. They left way too soon if it was a spontaneous move. IMO. So rude. They really did hope to disrupt his flow.

Isn't it just too bad it didn't work.:w00t:

[cassidy]

Oh yes.

BC just said that his clients, the Anthonys, have always been truthful, since the beginning of the case.:huh:

Sure they have Brad. We believe youl

:biggrinjester:

[adair]

I don't know, that's why I posed the question. Obviously they sit on the defense side, because their daughter is still alive. But the grand daughter is dead. I don't know.... just something that could be pursued. It's bothered me that they had to choose which side to sit on. Prosecution or defense. JMO.


Good Morning All

I hope they sit outside the courtroom...waiting to be called as witnesses, and after they testify I hope that the pros does not release them, and hold them for possible recall...that way the only time they will be in the courtroom is to testify.

IMO I will drive the A nuts not to know what the testimony is during the trial. It would probably also keep them off the talk show circuit as well.

moo

MOO jmo

[JILLY]

Oh Jilly how fortunate you were able to attend. I was so taken by Mr Ashton watching on TV it must have mind blowing to have actually been there.


it was very emotional to actually be there. i was amazed at how good the state atty team was . i feel casey wishes they were on her side defending her instead of the opposite side. cindy showed raw pain , george too. i do not feel they stormed out of courtroom in anger. cindy at times looked as if she could collapse or faint. george was chocked up . i could see him swallow , teary . both cindy and george looked to be supportive of each other. i think they have gotten closer than before all this. cindy is very pretty. george is handsome. when i look at casey its almost hard to visulize her as she once looked. she has tranformed her image look. no longer the sexy girl who strutted her stuff. she looked young, fragile. girl next store looks. could be anyones teen daughter. long hair straight not the stylish haircuts of before. i have not posted here but have lurked and read. i enjoy all your posts.

[BlueTurtle]

I loved Orange Countys response to the defenses request to stop taping. They said in more than one word to GET LOST.

Even with the trouble with her voice, she was well spoken. She didn't go on and on or hmm, ahhh, or any other vocal tics you see with Baez and Lyon.

To the point no heistation. Gathered her thoughts before speaking.
I was impressed with her. She addressed why the cases in the brief were relevant. It spoke to the fact the higher courts did support the jails to not be overridden by judges in internal policies and practices

[WillowInFlight]

Thinking about what Jeepers mentioned earlier and I'm starting to agree that this was pre-planned. Ashton only spoke for 2 minutes or so and they couldn't have known how long he'd go on. They left way too soon if it was a spontaneous move. IMO. So rude. They really did hope to disrupt his flow.

ITA and IMO they will try every stunt in the book during the murder trial.

[cassidy]

it was very emotional to actually be there. i was amazed at how good the state atty team was . i feel casey wishes they were on her side defending her instead of the opposite side. cindy showed raw pain , george too. i do not feel they stormed out of courtroom in anger. cindy at times looked as if she could collapse or faint. george was chocked up . i could see him swallow , teary . both cindy and george looked to be supportive of each other. i think they have gotten closer than before all this. cindy is very pretty. george is handsome. when i look at casey its almost hard to visulize her as she once looked. she has tranformed her image look. no longer the sexy girl who strutted her stuff. she looked young, fragile. girl next store looks. could be anyones teen daughter. long hair straight not the stylish haircuts of before. i have not posted here but have lurked and read. i enjoy all your posts.

Thanks Jilly. We (or at least I) appreciate the 1st person reports.

[BlueTurtle]

Dishoveled in her movements. I think Baez would have been smart to have ask Mr. Lennamon (sp) to stay on his team and gone with mental health issues but, I am not trying to help the defence team either. I hope they stay on the road they are on and the State keeps the High road. jmo

Problem with that is Casey would never go with a mental health issues approach. I think it could have had some merits even though she is not mentally ill. She is just a sociopath which is not the same as being mentally ill.

[summer]

Isn't it just too bad it didn't work.:w00t:

Hey puzzler, I'm starting to believe their bag of tricks is just about empty now. Their act is simply old news to everyone. Couldn't happen to a nicer duo.

[JILLY]

http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/12/blog-live-in-the-casey-anthony-2.html

[summer]

Good Morning All

I hope they sit outside the courtroom...waiting to be called as witnesses, and after they testify I hope that the pros does not release them, and hold them for possible recall...that way the only time they will be in the courtroom is to testify.

IMO I will drive the A nuts not to know what the testimony is during the trial. It would probably also keep them off the talk show circuit as well.

moo

MOO jmo

Ooh I didn't realize that. Good one. I bet that's what happens.

Although unless they're sequestered you know they'll watch and listen at home to everything they possibly can. There will be NO stopping them, especially since this trial will be televised. Do you think there's anyway around that, short of posting an armed guard in their livingroom?

[WillowInFlight]

Yesterday on IS they were saying that after what the state had to say yesterday that Casey would be smart to take a plea offer. Is that even on the table at this point? I doubt Baez would ever let her take one even if it was offered.

[Scampi]

I think it is going to be really interesting to see how Casey 'behaves' in the cheque trial, in a way I am surprised that she hasn't pled that out..but she isn't one to admit anything even when cornered with the truth.
Yesterday was probably a really rude awakening for the girl, thus far it seems as if no one has truly talked to her about the realities of all of this. It seems as if Caylee has been the 'pink elephant' in the room with everyone around her, her defense team...parents..etc. Casey got a glimpse of what to look forward to...her lies are going to be challenged unlike it has been for most (if not all) of her life. She can't throw a fit, yell her head off...call names nor slam doors...and I think that has always been her 'defense' routine in her past life.
The focus shifted yesterday...it isn't about Cindy and George as 'victims'...nor about Casey and everyone telling stories about her and making her a 'victim...
...the focus is finally about the true victim in all of this, a two year old baby Caylee. Who couldn't defend herself...and the very people who were meant to protect her discarded her like trash...and have gone on to reap rewards based on her losing her life.
She deserves justice..and none of them should get sympathy at all, they gave up that sympathy when they cashed their fist cheque and ate their first crab puff.


Just my opinion of course...


Excellent analysis, BJames.

:seeya:

[JILLY]

Thanks Jilly. We (or at least I) appreciate the 1st person reports.
thank you!

[BettyC]

it was very emotional to actually be there. i was amazed at how good the state atty team was . i feel casey wishes they were on her side defending her instead of the opposite side. cindy showed raw pain , george too. i do not feel they stormed out of courtroom in anger. cindy at times looked as if she could collapse or faint. george was chocked up . i could see him swallow , teary . both cindy and george looked to be supportive of each other. i think they have gotten closer than before all this. cindy is very pretty. george is handsome. when i look at casey its almost hard to visulize her as she once looked. she has tranformed her image look. no longer the sexy girl who strutted her stuff. she looked young, fragile. girl next store looks. could be anyones teen daughter. long hair straight not the stylish haircuts of before. i have not posted here but have lurked and read. i enjoy all your posts.

Thanks for the look into the courtroom Jilly. Much appreciated. How did you feel about A. Lyon's part?

[Sun]

It is my understanding that even with a COV Strickland will still be the judge.

Puzzler, that was my understanding also, that even with a COV Judge Strickland would still preside over this case.

[Steps]

It is my understanding that even with a COV Strickland will still be the judge.

I believe your correct puzzler. COV means new location, but the judge will be Strickland no matter where the trial is moved to.

[Dunlurken]

it was very emotional to actually be there. i was amazed at how good the state atty team was . i feel casey wishes they were on her side defending her instead of the opposite side. cindy showed raw pain , george too. i do not feel they stormed out of courtroom in anger. cindy at times looked as if she could collapse or faint. george was chocked up . i could see him swallow , teary . both cindy and george looked to be supportive of each other. i think they have gotten closer than before all this. cindy is very pretty. george is handsome. when i look at casey its almost hard to visulize her as she once looked. she has tranformed her image look. no longer the sexy girl who strutted her stuff. she looked young, fragile. girl next store looks. could be anyones teen daughter. long hair straight not the stylish haircuts of before. i have not posted here but have lurked and read. i enjoy all your posts.
I felt the same way while watching the coverage yesterday. Long hair, etc. Defense will make her "look" uncapable of hurting anyone. Child-like. However, we know that's not the case.

Casey is on an up-hill battle which she cannot win. JMO.

[SandyO]

[QUOTE=JILLY;13713018]it was very emotional to actually be there. i was amazed at how good the state atty team was .QUOTE]

(Snipped for space)

Hmmm...... I do appreciate your impressions, Jilly, but I have to wonder if I'd have had those same impressions had I been fortunate enough to witness it all in person. There really must be a difference between viewing these things on television/computer monitor and in actually BEING THERE and experiencing all the little sounds, smells, etc.

[Steps]

Duke, I read every word. I think Cindy looked horrible too but feel she thinks she looks good. She's not wasting away IMO, she's loving her new figure and lifestyle.

Even if they believe Casey did this, there is nothing stopping them from visiting her and telling her they love her. They have to know that something went terribly wrong and Caylee paid the price.

Until Casey's convinced they will "just forget about it" and only support her effort to get away with this crime, she won't let them visit her. At this point, I believe the Anthonys can do that. After all, she's learned her lesson right?

Cindy and George have always had the right to visit her in jail. They just won't because they can't talk freely. They should visit her and tell her that they love her and wish her well. And if there is a lull in the conversation after that they can always tell her all about their recent cruise, and show her THEIR tatoos!!

[Pruddennce]

I find the whole low down lot of them interesting in that, they were grandparents 'who claimed they didnt have a clue' what was going on with Casey' <----one side of their mouth....yet they lawyered up early on in the case.

why? 'grieving grandparents' getting a lawyer for what? it was their DAUGHTER under investigation. in fact, LE was quite done with Cindy early on because all she did was 'parrot Casey's explanations' and offered nothing of value except accusations. GA, on the other hand, spilled 'some' dirty laundry to placate LE......*see, Im telling you guys some dirt, now tell me what YOU got against her* <----GA played a dangerous game.....

and now he is in hot water regarding his GJ testimony, what he told LE and of course his outright lies to the public <---although not a crime, but LYING under oath is. Cindy is shook up as well regarding D Casey. IMO

their past words and actions will catch up with them. a dose of reality of how 'skeleton remains' was more than a wake up call to them that their grandchild most likely SUFFERED a cruel death. she wasnt just a bag of bones at rest....but then had the audacity after cremating her to say it might not be her. GASP!

its catching up. yesterday was reality dose #1. they deserve to hear the horrid details that jurors may infer from evidence in this DP case (hey thanks Lyon for opening up THAT door with your failed argument about jurors and your end the DP crusade).....

as the state mentioned, the DP as a 'possible' sentence is part of the State of Florida's judicial system....EVERYONE up for a murder one charge will face this possibility (aside from exemptions which do not apply in this case, which Lyon DID not address....it was all opinion about the DP).

what kind of grieving grandparents hold a vigil and curse at attendees to get up off their arses and look for their grandchild?

their 'we are upset display' is a little late as far as what they 'thought' happened to her. she was found scattered. bones all over the place. tape over the mouth can be inferred as a means to subdue...and then again have the adacity to assert the tape had nothing to do with her death? it is part of her demise. they were quick to turn her into ashes and put on a 'circus memorial' complete with their perceived 'terrorist list' as if they were celebs.

they were very comfortable lying to the public about LE, lying about Casey, withholding possible evidence and just plain 'ole arrogant about the 31 days...<---as if thats normal.......

their comfort level has now been compromised....the wheels move slowly. it has begun.

my question is: I seem to recall that in Florida, witnesses are not allowed to remain in the courtroom to observe other witnesses prior to their own testimony. however, once they are excused with no intention of being recalled, they can attend. is that correct?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Dunlurken]

I believe your correct puzzler. COV means new location, but the judge will be Strickland no matter where the trial is moved to.

Why do I disagree? Change of Venue means a different county, etc. And the judge could recuse themselves for many different reasons. Prior cases, etc. I do not think Strickland will be the judge. JMO.

[Duke]

I so agree with you. Fight or Flight is automatic response.The Anthony's are scared, with Mr. Ashton's simply laying out the facts, the Anthony's chose Flight. They cannot handle what their daughter has done. The also cannot handle seeing KC if the truth be known. Their public face and their actions are contary to each.

Yes Jeepers:smile:, When Cindy and George flight they are unconsciously making a point to KC. If they really don't communicate with her in mail then if I was sitting there between bars then I would think they did not care. Her previous last hearing they went on a cruise. If I was KC in jail then I would think "well they just don't care". Now the parents run from the room and don't even say a word to their daughter nor do they visit. KC maybe ten marbles off but she is probably gaining strength by anger to add her own parents into the mix.

[KatieLady]

Why do I disagree? Change of Venue means a different county, etc. And the judge could recuse themselves for many different reasons. Prior cases, etc. I do not think Strickland will be the judge. JMO.

He could try to recuse himself I suppose Dunnie but the fact of the matter is that when there is a COV a new Judge is not automatically appointed. The Judge goes with the case. IMO

[WillowInFlight]

I find the whole low down lot of them interesting in that, they were grandparents 'who claimed they didnt have a clue' what was going on with Casey' <----one side of their mouth....yet they lawyered up early on in the case.

why? 'grieving grandparents' getting a lawyer for what? it was their DAUGHTER under investigation. in fact, LE was quite done with Cindy early on because all she did was 'parrot Casey's explanations' and offered nothing of value except accusations. GA, on the other hand, spilled 'some' dirty laundry to placate LE......*see, Im telling you guys some dirt, now tell me what YOU got against her* <----GA played a dangerous game.....

and now he is in hot water regarding his GJ testimony, what he told LE and of course his outright lies to the public <---although not a crime, but LYING under oath is. Cindy is shook up as well regarding D Casey. IMO

their past words and actions will catch up with them. a dose of reality of how 'skeleton remains' was more than a wake up call to them that their grandchild most likely SUFFERED a cruel death. she wasnt just a bag of bones at rest....but then had the audacity after cremating her to say it might not be her. GASP!

its catching up. yesterday was reality dose #1. they deserve to hear the horrid details that jurors may infer from evidence in this DP case (hey thanks Lyon for opening up THAT door with your failed argument about jurors and your end the DP crusade).....

as the state mentioned, the DP as a 'possible' sentence is part of the State of Florida's judicial system....EVERYONE up for a murder one charge will face this possibility (aside from exemptions which do not apply in this case, which Lyon DID not address....it was all opinion about the DP).

what kind of grieving grandparents hold a vigil and curse at attendees to get up off their arses and look for their grandchild?

their 'we are upset display' is a little late as far as what they 'thought' happened to her. she was found scattered. bones all over the place. tape over the mouth can be inferred as a means to subdue...and then again have the adacity to assert the tape had nothing to do with her death? it is part of her demise. they were quick to turn her into ashes and put on a 'circus memorial' complete with their perceived 'terrorist list' as if they were celebs.

they were very comfortable lying to the public about LE, lying about Casey, withholding possible evidence and just plain 'ole arrogant about the 31 days...<---as if thats normal.......

their comfort level has now been compromised....the wheels move slowly. it has begun.

my question is: I seem to recall that in Florida, witnesses are not allowed to remain in the courtroom to observe other witnesses prior to their own testimony. however, once they are excused with no intention of being recalled, they can attend. is that correct?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Great post Pru. But what about the BS that they were spewing a month or so ago that they didn't believe that the body that was found was Caylee, and that they were still looking for a live Caylee? I swear these people are nuts

[Pruddennce]

Good Morning All

I hope they sit outside the courtroom...waiting to be called as witnesses, and after they testify I hope that the pros does not release them, and hold them for possible recall...that way the only time they will be in the courtroom is to testify.

IMO I will drive the A nuts not to know what the testimony is during the trial. It would probably also keep them off the talk show circuit as well.

moo

MOO jmo

adair, you read my mind. I posed that question below regarding witnesses and attendance. If that is the case, I too hope that they are 'subject to recall' to prevent them from 'knowing first hand' what is going on. in fact, I would be relieved to be able to view this trial, without the distraction of the anthonys.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[Scampi]

I believe in this specific case, any rule barring the anthonys from being in that courtroom because they are witnesses will be put aside with the approval of both sides.

I think the prosecutors WANT cynthia and george there.

As family of the victim they should be there. IMO. They should hear every last gruesome word about what KC did to Caylee.

[BlueTurtle]

I'm guessing that if they make it a practice of storming out of the courtroom like they did yesterday, they may not have to choose. They'll be in a neutral zone alright, with seats outside the courtroom. :rolleyes:

Yup. JS allowed it since it is not in front of a jury yet. He can ignore thereby not giving them more attention at this time. I am pretty sure he will impose something when the trial does start.

[Dunlurken]

He could try to recuse himself I suppose Dunnie but the fact of the matter is that when there is a COV a new Judge is not automatically appointed. The Judge goes with the case. IMO

And lives in a hotel? :confused: Travels 2 hours a day to get there? We've seen other cases where the judge recused himself/herself due to prior caseloads, etc., and, in effect, not wanting to be away from his/her family. Bottom line, I don't think Strickland will be the judge in the death penalty case if there is a COV. JMO.

[Pruddennce]

Great post Pru. But what about the BS that they were spewing a month or so ago that they didn't believe that the body that was found was Caylee, and that they were still looking for a live Caylee? I swear these people are nuts

yes Willow and also during the ZFG depo with Cindy....down in Mexico their PI's were 'watching' a suspect.

whut?

however, cindy claims during that depo that she received ZERO information regarding an investigation into the 15 or so ZFG's that LE ignored.

she kept forgetting that only one ZFG was associated with Sawgrass that Casey contends that's where her babysitter lived. (on the stairs only of course, lol).

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[snowflakes]

Great post Pru. But what about the BS that they were spewing a month or so ago that they didn't believe that the body that was found was Caylee, and that they were still looking for a live Caylee? I swear these people are nuts



I want to know why they asked for/got immunity months ago.:thumbdown:

[KatieLady]

And lives in a hotel? :confused: Travels 2 hours a day to get there? We've seen other cases where the judge recused himself/herself due to prior caseloads, etc., and, in effect, not wanting to be away from his/her family. Bottom line, I don't think Strickland will be the judge in the death penalty case if there is a COV. JMO.

Not sure how that works for sure...but in other cases I know that the Judges docket was cleared so that he/she only had the one out of town case to hear.

The prosecutors and the defense team will be in hotels I assume....why not the Judge?

[Steps]

Why do I disagree? Change of Venue means a different county, etc. And the judge could recuse themselves for many different reasons. Prior cases, etc. I do not think Strickland will be the judge. JMO.

Great post, Pru!! I agree Lyons can blame herself for yesterdays defense fiasco! She opened the door wide with her making her stand against the death penalty in this motion.

[summer]

I believe in this specific case, any rule barring the anthonys from being in that courtroom because they are witnesses will be put aside with the approval of both sides.

I think the prosecutors WANT cynthia and george there.

As family of the victim they should be there. IMO. They should hear every last gruesome word about what KC did to Caylee.

Very interesting, Scamp!

[Dunlurken]

Not sure how that works for sure...but in other cases I know that the Judges docket was cleared so that he/she only had the one out of town case to hear.

The prosecutors and the defense team will be in hotels I assume....why not the Judge?

Because it's not his "court room". JMO.

[Pruddennce]

I believe in this specific case, any rule barring the anthonys from being in that courtroom because they are witnesses will be put aside with the approval of both sides.

I think the prosecutors WANT cynthia and george there.

As family of the victim they should be there. IMO. They should hear every last gruesome word about what KC did to Caylee.

Scampi, thats a valid flip side to put forth. I am on the fence with it. (as you can see, lol)

as others have posted, I would think courtroom decorum will apply and if agreed there will be restrictions for the entire coutroom process. most likely, the court will give a head's up regarding certain testimony providing an opportunity for the entire courtroom to decide whether to remain during that testimony.

but of course the anthonys, IMO, will take advantage of that and remain, but THEN will do their 'infamous exit' to call attention to themselves.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[KatieLady]

Because it's not his "court room". JMO.

Guess we will just have to wait and see. Like I said I have seen it done here is California. It is all going to be interesting!

[BettyC]

Cindy and George have always had the right to visit her in jail. They just won't because they can't talk freely. They should visit her and tell her that they love her and wish her well. And if there is a lull in the conversation after that they can always tell her all about their recent cruise, and show her THEIR tatoos!!

Yeah that would go over well Steps. ;) She'd show those little fisties of hers again.

[Steps]

I believe in this specific case, any rule barring the anthonys from being in that courtroom because they are witnesses will be put aside with the approval of both sides.

I think the prosecutors WANT cynthia and george there.

As family of the victim they should be there. IMO. They should hear every last gruesome word about what KC did to Caylee.

I know I want George and Cindy sitting in that courtroom EVERY day to hear the evidence of what was done to their granddaughter by her mother!!

[KatieLady]

Scampi, thats a valid flip side to put forth. I am on the fence with it. (as you can see, lol)

as others have posted, I would think courtroom decorum will apply and if agreed there will be restrictions for the entire coutroom process. most likely, the court will give a head's up regarding certain testimony providing an opportunity for the entire courtroom to decide whether to remain during that testimony.

but of course the anthonys, IMO, will take advantage of that and remain, but THEN will do their 'infamous exit' to call attention to themselves.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

I wish we have had seen other cases heard by Judge S. That would give us an idea of how he runs his. I know each Judge seems to have their own "rules" of their court. IMO

[Duke]

Snipped to address: I read your post. Good points. However, Jose was the one who told Casey not to accept any visitors because the visits were being taped.

Here's a question I have. Why isn't Jose allowed to speak to Casey without it being recorded? I've never heard of that. Attorney/Client privilege. I wasn't aware that those "discussions" were "taped".

Can anyone help me out on this one? TIA.

hey Durlurken,

I thought that the F.S. only allowed video and no audio between lawyer and client. I thought is was ok to record all with outside visitors since this is public record if requested. I laughed when the judge said that KC could not get special things that others in jail don't get and then Jose said he did not mean to imply that.

[Dunlurken]

Guess we will just have to wait and see. Like I said I have seen it done here is California. It is all going to be interesting!

I agree, it will be very interesting if there is a COV. Judges can't just "move" their aides, law books, etc. into another court house. I mean "they can pysically", but why would they? Would cost the taxpayers major bucks as well.

A new judge was appointed in the Scott Peterson case when it was changed from Modesto to Redwood City. JMO.

[BlueTurtle]

That will probably happen in this case as well. Cindy and George's testimony, 911 call, will start the ball rolling. JMO. It's obvious. That's how I would start it if I were the DA.

ETA: Prosecution goes first, then there's the defense, then rebuttal, then sur rebuttal.

Since the 911 tapes are public record, couldn't the person who is the keeper of the public record be the one or the operator be the first to verify the call. They could hold Cindy off from testifying for some time to the fact she made the call. I am prety sure she will be declared a hostile witness. If the defense calls her to the stand, that will open a number of areas the defense might not benefit by.

[WillowInFlight]

I know I want George and Cindy sitting in that courtroom EVERY day to hear the evidence of what was done to their granddaughter by her mother!!

Yes me too, I feel like they know Casey is guilty, but I want reality to really hit them between the eyes.

[Lynn Gweeny]

I agree, it will be very interesting if there is a COV. Judges can't just "move" their aides, law books, etc. into another court house. I mean "they can pysically", but why would they? Would cost the taxpayers major bucks as well.

A new judge was appointed in the Scott Peterson case when it was changed from Modesto to Redwood City. JMO.


As you might recall in the John Couey trial, Judge Ric Howard, a CITRUS COUNTY judge, presided over the case in MIAMI, which was over 5-1/2 hours away from his 'home' court in CITRUS COUNTY.

[SandyO]

And lives in a hotel? :confused: Travels 2 hours a day to get there? We've seen other cases where the judge recused himself/herself due to prior caseloads, etc., and, in effect, not wanting to be away from his/her family. Bottom line, I don't think Strickland will be the judge in the death penalty case if there is a COV. JMO.

I still don't see any justification for Change of Venue. Members of the Defense team have been all over national media, spreading the word far and wide. I'm sure there are individuals who have paid no attention to this case at all, but the exposure is EVERYWHERE.

[summer]

I DO hope one of the prosecutors writes a book about this case a la Bugliosi. I'd love to hear the details of their strategy sessions and also their take on the players (Cindy, George, D Casey, etc.).

I guess they can't do it while they're still working for the state... or can they? Was Bugliosi retired when he wrote Helter Skelter?

[KatieLady]

I DO hope one of the prosecutors writes a book about this case a la Bugliosi. I'd love to hear the details of their strategy sessions and also their take on the players (Cindy, George, D Casey, etc.).

I guess they can't do it while they're still working for the state... or can they? Was Bugliosi retired when he wrote Helter Skelter?

I believe he was...as were the prosecutors in the OJ case when they wrote theirs. IMO

[Dunlurken]

Since the 911 tapes are public record, couldn't the person who is the keeper of the public record be the one or the operator be the first to verify the call. They could hold Cindy off from testifying for some time to the fact she made the call. I am prety sure she will be declared a hostile witness. If the defense calls her to the stand, that will open a number of areas the defense might not benefit by.

That's why Prosecution will call her as their first witness and Prosecution goes first. 911 call (the car smells like there's been a dead body in the damm car!).

Unless they do it backwards. Which we've seen many times. JMO and LOL.

[adair]

Ooh I didn't realize that. Good one. I bet that's what happens.

Although unless they're sequestered you know they'll watch and listen at home to everything they possibly can. There will be NO stopping them, especially since this trial will be televised. Do you think there's anyway around that, short of posting an armed guard in their livingroom?




I may be wrong, but they are not to discuss the trial etc until they are released, and if they are caught, i believe that they could be charged with contempt of court....

I hope someone with more legal knowledge will be along shortly to expand on this.

moo

[BlueTurtle]

Snipped to address: I read your post. Good points. However, Jose was the one who told Casey not to accept any visitors because the visits were being taped.

Here's a question I have. Why isn't Jose allowed to speak to Casey without it being recorded? I've never heard of that. Attorney/Client privilege. I wasn't aware that those "discussions" were "taped".

Can anyone help me out on this one? TIA.

Video taped without sound. It is for liablility of the jail for the safety of the lawyers and staff. If a defendant did attack their lawyer, it is best to have it on tape. Changing the rules for one defendant because the lawyers don't want to be taped would be wrong. It would set a precedent for other defendants to also request no taping.