Caylee 12/08/09 thru 12/10

[marinewife5]

Finally time for a new thread....please continue

[gaelicpeas]

Finally time for a new thread....please continueThanks, mw5. Has anyone heard when Burdick will not be available? I remember seeing something like that posted to the clerk's file.

[marinewife5]

Thanks, mw5. Has anyone heard when Burdick will not be available? I remember seeing something like that posted to the clerk's file.

iirc, she won't be at friday's hearing. but i've been wrong before (don't tell anyone...would hate to lose my status as a respected poster).

jmo

[Spots]

Thanks, mw5. Has anyone heard when Burdick will not be available? I remember seeing something like that posted to the clerk's file.

I don't think we ever got an exact date, but I'm worried that it's this Friday. Ashton seems to know his stuff in the motion replies he's written, but he's a bit too rubber-faced in the courtroom.

[SayWhen]

I don't think we ever got an exact date, but I'm worried that it's this Friday. Ashton seems to know his stuff in the motion replies he's written, but he's a bit too rubber-faced in the courtroom.

Could make for some major entertainment, though. :w00t:

[gaelicpeas]

Thanks... I was hoping it wasn't this Friday - but if so, will the hearing still take place?

[Spots]

Thanks... I was hoping it wasn't this Friday - but if so, will the hearing still take place?

Oh, yeah. She's got back-up. Besides, Howdy Doody could argue against these motions and win.

[gaelicpeas]

Oh, yeah. She's got back-up. Besides, Howdy Doody could argue against these motions and win.Good point. And I guess also some of the motions don't even involve the SA's office, but rather the jail and the media.

[Aunt]

Do the Anthonys have another cruise planned on friday, and if so, will they be able to stay for the entire hearing?? :scared:

[Spots]

Do the Anthonys have another cruise planned on friday, and if so, will they be able to stay for the entire hearing?? :scared:

Hard to say. Cruise...... well, been there, done that. So yesterday. Perhaps a quick flight to Paris?

[SusiePMcD]

Hard to say. Cruise...... well, been there, done that. So yesterday. Perhaps a quick flight to Paris?


Hi Spots...maybe she and George can rent a room from Roman Polanski

when the trial is over. My bad. (and JB can live in the pool house and

be a "pool boy") my bad again.

[Spots]

Hi Spots...maybe she and George can rent a room from Roman Polanski

when the trial is over. My bad. (and JB can live in the pool house and

be a "pool boy") my bad again.

Well, Jose does have some experience with bikinis....... :D

[SusiePMcD]

Well, Jose does have some experience with bikinis....... :D


and LICORICE! Bet he wished that NEVER happened.

[AnnieKins]

Hard to say. Cruise...... well, been there, done that. So yesterday. Perhaps a quick flight to Paris?

Is there some kind of a formal state dinner they could crash?

Oh sorry... wrong doofuses.

[kakax]

Is there some kind of a formal state dinner they could crash?

Oh sorry... wrong doofuses.


:laugh::laugh:

Anyone know what time the hearing is off the top of your heads?

[AnnieKins]

:laugh::laugh:

Anyone know what time the hearing is off the top of your heads?

I'm not ignoring you, kakax. I have no idea. (I usually miss everything as I'm on the West coast and I sleep in.)

[kakax]

I'm not ignoring you, kakax. I have no idea. (I usually miss everything as I'm on the West coast and I sleep in.)

I think it is 9am Eastern... a little birdie told me on my facebook!

[AnnieKins]

I think it is 9am Eastern... a little birdie told me on my facebook!

Poifect. I might be up and at 'em by then. :smile:

[jamom]

Hi Spots...maybe she and George can rent a room from Roman Polanski

when the trial is over. My bad. (and JB can live in the pool house and

be a "pool boy") my bad again.

Okay, I was totally following your logic until Jose being the pool boy and then had a little throw up in my mouth!

[jamom]

Is there some kind of a formal state dinner they could crash?

Oh sorry... wrong doofuses.

Oh crap, that was FUNNY! Wouldn't that be just like them? Maybe they can make new friends?

[velvetbrown]

Hey Ya'll,
Been away...anything new on the homefront, or are we all waiting on Friday?

[AnnieKins]

Hey Ya'll,
Been away...anything new on the homefront, or are we all waiting on Friday?

Hi VB! Friday it is.

[desmom]

Case Against Casey: Battle Of The Experts
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/12/8/case_against_casey_battle_of_the_experts.html

A Look at the Laptop
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=981

[desmom]

The http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=981 is an interesting read.

Casey was on her laptop when Cindy and Amy arrived at Tone's. I agree with the article re if Casey had a blue screen at that time, she would have mentioned it or Tone and friend would have noticed.

I am technically challenged and apologize if this is a stupid question. LE did a forensics on the laptop. Would they be able to tell what caused "the blue screen of death"..iow, if someone deleted one of the operating files, would LE be able to determine when it was deleted? TIA

[desmom]

The defense can drag in all the volunteer searchers they want regarding the Suburban Drive location, but I believe Caylee's remains were at that location since mid June 2008.

Roy Kronk Interview January 6, 2009
http://cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/gibson%20and%20kronk.pdf

page 9 - RK: I saw something white that was protruding out of the water.

page 10 - RK: I was just standing looking at the water and I said, "Look at that."

page 11 - RK: You know I, I'm not going to say that I didn't care, but I wasn't going to go in there. There was water and snakes and all that other stuff.

page 14 - RK: No. He (cop) just got to like the water's edge of the swamp, sweeped (sic), turned around and came out. That was it. That was all he did.
YM: And the object, just to clarify, you mentioned it before, it was about four to ...
RK: Four to six feet in the water, up next to the tree.
YM: Okay, So it was in, in the water?
RK: It was in the water, yeah (affirmative).

Plus the Gale St. John video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bukQWMaxD0Q

[ellegna]

The defense can drag in all the volunteer searchers they want regarding the Suburban Drive location, but I believe Caylee's remains were at that location since mid June 2008.



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good morning :seeya:

I agree

I recall watching one of the local news stations interview residents in that area. They all said the water level was high for months and only began drying up just prior to Caylee being found.
I would believe residents who are very familiar with the area than searchers from out of town.

[ellegna]

Attorney for George and Cindy Anthony retained by alleged mistress of Tiger Woods

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m12d9-Attorney-for-George-and-Cindy-Anthony-retained-by-alleged-mistress-of-Tiger-Woods (http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner%7Ey2009m12d9-Attorney-for-George-and-Cindy-Anthony-retained-by-alleged-mistress-of-Tiger-Woods)

Ya think BC is in it for the exposure, getting paid or both? :w00t:

[desmom]

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good morning :seeya:

I agree

I recall watching one of the local news stations interview residents in that area. They all said the water level was high for months and only began drying up just prior to Caylee being found.
I would believe residents who are very familiar with the area than searchers from out of town.

Morning! :seeya:

The volunteer searchers could have easily overlooked Caylee.

According to the autopsy report, the laundry bag is 16 1/2 inches in diameter and 24 inches deep. (page 6 http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/06/19/caylee.anthony.autopsy.pdf ) IMO, even an experienced S & R could have easily missed the remains because of the dense undergrowth.

[desmom]

New Casey Anthony discovery to be released
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/120909-Casey-Anthony
New discovery documents in the case against Casey Anthony are set to be released today.

[ellegna]

Morning! :seeya:

The volunteer searchers could have easily overlooked Caylee.

According to the autopsy report, the laundry bag is 16 1/2 inches in diameter and 24 inches deep. (page 6 http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/06/19/caylee.anthony.autopsy.pdf ) IMO, even an experienced S & R could have easily missed the remains because of the dense undergrowth.

Not only that but what if the paver stone was inside the bag to weigh down and not used as a marker? The weight could have kept Caylee submerged until the bag broke or decayed

[Sun]

Good morning everyone!

A Doc Dump you say. Today. Thanks so much for finding and posting these links, desmom!

[ellegna]

New Casey Anthony discovery to be released
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/120909-Casey-Anthony
New discovery documents in the case against Casey Anthony are set to be released today.

Hooray :thumbsup:

[desmom]

What will we see?

Maggot Evidence? Mark Hawkins Interview? Mallory's interview or depo?

[Sun]

Morning! :seeya:

The volunteer searchers could have easily overlooked Caylee.

According to the autopsy report, the laundry bag is 16 1/2 inches in diameter and 24 inches deep. (page 6 http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/06/19/caylee.anthony.autopsy.pdf ) IMO, even an experienced S & R could have easily missed the remains because of the dense undergrowth.

It's likely that the defense will focus greatly on this area of the case, and I do believe that folks do wonder how Caylee's remains could have been overlooked since they were so close to the Anthony home.

Even if I might have a doubt as to "who" dumped Caylee's body in that area, it doesn't change my opinion as to who is responsible for Caylee's death. The someone who lied about the whereabouts of her child for 31 days.

[Scampi]

Not only that but what if the paver stone was inside the bag to weigh down and not used as a marker? The weight could have kept Caylee submerged until the bag broke or decayed

Hey Canada, great point about that paver.

With a new doc release, it's almost automatic that the anthonys and defense team will act up in someway before the hearing on Friday. IMO.

[MissouriGMom]

Hey Canada, great point about that paver.

With a new doc release, it's almost automatic that the anthonys and defense team will act up in someway before the hearing on Friday. IMO.


Morning Scamp and all! This is a great day for a doc dump, cause I'm home all day!

[Scampi]

It's likely that the defense will focus greatly on this area of the case, and I do believe that folks do wonder how Caylee's remains could have been overlooked since they were so close to the Anthony home.

Even if I might have a doubt as to "who" dumped Caylee's body in that area, it doesn't change my opinion as to who is responsible for Caylee's death. The someone who lied about the whereabouts of her child for 31 days.

Hiya Sunnie. Do you really have a doubt that the accused babykiller put Caylee's body there? Why and who do you think did it, if not her?

[Scampi]

Morning Scamp and all! This is a great day for a doc dump, cause I'm home all day!

Morning Mom, it couldn't happen at a better time then, so glad you're able to be here with us.

:wub:

[ellegna]

Hiya Sunnie. Do you really have a doubt that the accused babykiller put Caylee's body there? Why and who do you think did it, if not her?

morning Scamp

My money is on Casey BUT if she did get help, I believe she would turn to big brother.

[Sun]

What will we see?

Maggot Evidence? Mark Hawkins Interview? Mallory's interview or depo?

Mallory's State Depo is an interesting thought. I've always wondered if we would ever get results of testing that could be ordered on all those vacuums that were seized from the Anthony home. Or whatever type of testing results from the soil samples that were collected. And, we've never seen the interview from Deborah Polisano (Cindy's boss) either. Though there was mention of it in an LE's report... this was the person who referred Cindy to the counselor.

[MissouriGMom]

Morning Mom, it couldn't happen at a better time then, so glad you're able to be here with us.

:wub:

I love snow days!!!! It's supposed to be even colder tomorrow morning. Maybe I'll get another one.

:thumbsup:

[Sun]

Hiya Sunnie. Do you really have a doubt that the accused babykiller put Caylee's body there? Why and who do you think did it, if not her?

I have not ruled out an Anthony. An Anthony that might have found something in their own backyard. An Anthony that appears to have difficulties remembering things at times. ...but I do realize that same person could have other motives to be lying. So, I just don't know.

[Scampi]

I have not ruled out an Anthony. An Anthony that might have found something in their own backyard. An Anthony that appears to have difficulties remembering things at times. ...but I do realize that same person could have other motives to be lying. So, I just don't know.

Okay, got it. I am convinced that KC did it because had anyone else done it, the body would have been transported many miles away and hidden much better. Items linking back to Casa anthony would never have been included in the deposit either, imo.

The gas challenged KC put the remains close to home because it was familiar and expedient, imo.

[Sun]

The http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=981 is an interesting read.

Casey was on her laptop when Cindy and Amy arrived at Tone's. I agree with the article re if Casey had a blue screen at that time, she would have mentioned it or Tone and friend would have noticed.

I am technically challenged and apologize if this is a stupid question. LE did a forensics on the laptop. Would they be able to tell what caused "the blue screen of death"..iow, if someone deleted one of the operating files, would LE be able to determine when it was deleted? TIA

I'm technically challenged in the same way that you are. Let's see a showing of hands for who thinks that Cindy didn't know that Casey had taken her laptop during those 31 days.

[desmom]

I'm technically challenged in the same way that you are. Let's see a showing of hands for who thinks that Cindy didn't know that Casey had taken her laptop during those 31 days.

Of course Cindy knew Casey had her laptop. During Casey's absence:

Cindy tried to befriend Casey on myspace.

Lee tried to track Casey down using her posts from myspace (or was it facebook).

jmo

[desmom]

Wrangling Continues In Anthony Fraud Case
Prosecutors Want Judge To Decide On Multiple Counts During Trial
http://www.wesh.com/news/21905573/detail.html

[SandyO]

Okay, got it. I am convinced that KC did it because had anyone else done it, the body would have been transported many miles away and hidden much better. Items linking back to Casa anthony would never have been included in the deposit either, imo.

The gas challenged KC put the remains close to home because it was familiar and expedient, imo.

I go back to square one, too, Scamp, if we just go back to the day Caylee was last seen. All of this is in Casey's lap, alone. She killed Caylee, she disposed of Caylee's body in the easiest way, she's lied to everyone and everybody about everything; and all her family can be blamed for is attempting to exonerate Casey from blame by whatever means they employ. It's really there in a nutshell, but the speculation is interesting, too.

[really3997]

Of course Cindy knew Casey had her laptop. During Casey's absence:

Cindy tried to befriend Casey on myspace.

Lee tried to track Casey down using her posts from myspace (or was it facebook).

jmo

Cindy is all about "STUFF" she knows where all her stuff is at all times. JMO of course

[Sun]

Cindy is all about "STUFF" she knows where all her stuff is at all times. JMO of course

What puzzles me, is why did Cindy lie in her State Depo, saying that she didn't realize that Casey had her laptop? There is no doubt in my mind that Cindy knew that Casey had taken her laptop, and probably within days of Casey taking it. Why couldn't Cindy just come right out and say, "Casey took the laptop during the week of June 16." Why would she lie about Casey having possession of her laptop?

[desmom]

More Casey Anthony documents to be released today
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-documents-20091209,0,5067054.story
The state will release about 30 pages today

[Barbara fl.]

Okay, got it. I am convinced that KC did it because had anyone else done it, the body would have been transported many miles away and hidden much better. Items linking back to Casa anthony would never have been included in the deposit either, imo.

The gas challenged KC put the remains close to home because it was familiar and expedient, imo.


Exactly...no one bur Casey is the murderer...this defense can try everything in the book...it will still fall to Casey and only Casey...

[Sun]

I go back to square one, too, Scamp, if we just go back to the day Caylee was last seen. All of this is in Casey's lap, alone. She killed Caylee, she disposed of Caylee's body in the easiest way, she's lied to everyone and everybody about everything; and all her family can be blamed for is attempting to exonerate Casey from blame by whatever means they employ. It's really there in a nutshell, but the speculation is interesting, too.

Yes, there is no way that Casey is innocent in Caylee's death.

(wow, the weather here is getting scary. Strong winds blowing and swirling from all directions, and snowflakes are now starting to appear. Snowflakes that are getting blown around in circles, coming from all directions, caught up in gusty winds.)

[Sun]

More Casey Anthony documents to be released today
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-documents-20091209,0,5067054.story
The state will release about 30 pages today

Hmmmm, 30 pages. What could that be?

[Barbara fl.]

I go back to square one, too, Scamp, if we just go back to the day Caylee was last seen. All of this is in Casey's lap, alone. She killed Caylee, she disposed of Caylee's body in the easiest way, she's lied to everyone and everybody about everything; and all her family can be blamed for is attempting to exonerate Casey from blame by whatever means they employ. It's really there in a nutshell, but the speculation is interesting, too.

Yes...ONLY Casey is responsible for the murder....however, the Anthony's are responsible for trying to cover it up...and I do believe that they sent the PI right to where they either thought Casey put the remains or were told by Casey where they were...This family wanted desperately to find those remains and for only one reason...to hide them better, there would have been no other reason because I believe that Cindy is STILL trying to make the public think that Caylee is still alive somewhee....That woud be the only thing that might be able to save Casey and that is if a body was never found or Cindy can make a juror or two think that Caylee is still alive. Which is rediculous...but this family (like the defense) will stop at nothing....

Casey is going, no doubt in my mind at all...

[cassidy]

Hmmmm, 30 pages. What could that be?

30 pages isn't much considering what we normally get. They could dump it anytime now :)

[desmom]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-documents-20091209,0,5067054.story
The State Attorney's Office will release discovery in the Casey Anthony case this afternoon.

I hope our electricity holds. The winds are blowing at 25 mph with gusts hitting over 40 mph.

[really3997]

30 pages isn't much considering what we normally get. They could dump it anytime now :)

I vote Mallorys depo. or something that gives a hint to the jail house situation and why Jose wants to get it erased. I will however cringe if it is Joy or Marinade related...

[Sun]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-documents-20091209,0,5067054.story
The State Attorney's Office will release discovery in the Casey Anthony case this afternoon.

I hope our electricity holds. The winds are blowing at 25 mph with gusts hitting over 40 mph.

Afternoon for the doc dump, they are saying. I'm hoping that the media will also get there hands on the document that was filed with the Clerk of Courts records "asking to sit forward of the bar" or something like that.

(wow, just saw the top half of an approx 50' tree break off and fall, due to scary gusting winds. That tree looked mostly dead this year, but the owner hadn't yet cut it down.)

[SandyO]

Yes, there is no way that Casey is innocent in Caylee's death.

(wow, the weather here is getting scary. Strong winds blowing and swirling from all directions, and snowflakes are now starting to appear. Snowflakes that are getting blown around in circles, coming from all directions, caught up in gusty winds.)

It goes even further than that, IMO. There's also no way anyone else is guilty.

[cassidy]

I vote Mallorys depo. or something that gives a hint to the jail house situation and why Jose wants to get it erased. I will however cringe if it is Joy or Marinade related...

I think Mallory's depo would be mighty interesting to read! ope we get that either today or soon!

[cassidy]

It goes even further than that, IMO. There's also no way anyone else is guilty.

Accessories after the fact, maybe.

JMO

[Sun]

Accessories after the fact, maybe.

JMO

Exactly my thoughts too!

[SandyO]

Yes...ONLY Casey is responsible for the murder....however, the Anthony's are responsible for trying to cover it up...and I do believe that they sent the PI right to where they either thought Casey put the remains or were told by Casey where they were...This family wanted desperately to find those remains and for only one reason...to hide them better, there would have been no other reason because I believe that Cindy is STILL trying to make the public think that Caylee is still alive somewhee....That woud be the only thing that might be able to save Casey and that is if a body was never found or Cindy can make a juror or two think that Caylee is still alive. Which is rediculous...but this family (like the defense) will stop at nothing....

Casey is going, no doubt in my mind at all...

I freely admit George, Cindy and Lee and all their cohorts have been scurrying around like a bunch of rats doing everything they can to confuse, cover-up and misdirect, but if we are talking only about the murder of Caylee and the disposal of her body ---- it's ALL on Casey.

[SandyO]

Exactly my thoughts too!

I hope that eventually there will be charges brought against Cindy and George, but I believe the Prosecution is keeping their eye on the ball at this point. You are getting the storm that ripped through Arizona 30 or so hours ago. It's a hum-dinger and we had lots of wind damage here.

[really3997]

I hope that eventually there will be charges brought against Cindy and George, but I believe the Prosecution is keeping their eye on the ball at this point. You are getting the storm that ripped through Arizona 30 or so hours ago. It's a hum-dinger and we had lots of wind damage here.

I am holding out for my Law and Order ending where after the verdict is read they slap some perty pinks cuffs on the rest of them.. DA DUM....

FYI soooooo glad I left Illinois....this is a snow free zone

[hello its me]

Attorney for George and Cindy Anthony retained by alleged mistress of Tiger Woods

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m12d9-Attorney-for-George-and-Cindy-Anthony-retained-by-alleged-mistress-of-Tiger-Woods (http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner%7Ey2009m12d9-Attorney-for-George-and-Cindy-Anthony-retained-by-alleged-mistress-of-Tiger-Woods)

Ya think BC is in it for the exposure, getting paid or both? :w00t:

He's just swamped with the *high integrity* folks of Orlando, eh?

[SandyO]

He's just swamped with the *high integrity* folks of Orlando, eh?

There's my morning laugh! Brad should give up any thoughts of getting a percentage of whatever this girl can collect from Tiger because there's no need for Tiger to pay out anymore. There's nothing left to hide. So it's down to "exposure", for what that's worth.

[LilGirl]

He's just swamped with the *high integrity* folks of Orlando, eh?

He already had the media wh0res as clients, now I guess he's going after the regular wh0res too.

[ish]

Oh, yeah. She's got back-up. Besides, Howdy Doody could argue against these motions and win.

Howdy Doody IS arguing them, for the defense!!

[Tia]

What puzzles me, is why did Cindy lie in her State Depo, saying that she didn't realize that Casey had her laptop? There is no doubt in my mind that Cindy knew that Casey had taken her laptop, and probably within days of Casey taking it. Why couldn't Cindy just come right out and say, "Casey took the laptop during the week of June 16." Why would she lie about Casey having possession of her laptop?

I think that she just lies. Even when she doesn't have to.
JMO

[ish]

Cindy is all about "STUFF" she knows where all her stuff is at all times. JMO of course

CIndy kept track of STUFF to keep tabs on what Casey was up to during those 30 days. I'll bet she came home everyday and took inventory of clothing, shoes, contents of the refrigerator and anything else that wasn't nailed down. She knew Casey was coming back to the house and taking things, she also knew nothing of Caylee's was being removed from the house. She suspected early on that Caylee was in trouble,and by the time she wrote her little plea on MYSPACE on the 3rd of July she was frantic. I do think she initially suspected that Casey had given Caylee away, Caylee possibly being dead I don't think entered her mind til the smell in the car.

[onlykaty]

I usually just read the posts and get on with my morning but I'm sitting pondering the over the laptop. I'm not real computer savy, although I have had one for quite a few years.

If a person got a virus would it have taken only certain files by date? Wouldn't the virus have to be dealt with to keep it from frying later files too? From what I understand it would have to of took information from a certain time period from the same applications.

I honestly don't buy a virus at all. This was done for a reason imo.

I tried going to back to read Lee's depo about the laptop again because I was wondering if Lee's statement said whether he told LE this right when returning from picking the laptop up or whether is was later.

Also I always thought when a pc crashed a person lost all or most all of their data. The first online pc I had was a real oldie and I crashed it a couple of times, I think I had windows 3.0 or something like that and all was lost. Windows had to be reinstalled.

Ok, I'm going to stop before I start sounding to dumb here..:blushing:

Just to add, YES, I FIRMLY beleive Casey all by her little ole evil self Killed and disposed of Caylee. YES, I FIRMLY beleive that G,C and Lee have been covering up ever since one of them realized what had happened. They know who is responsible for Caylee's death. I knew almost from day one. 31 days. BAM!

[SandyO]

CIndy kept track of STUFF to keep tabs on what Casey was up to during those 30 days. I'll bet she came home everyday and took inventory of clothing, shoes, contents of the refrigerator and anything else that wasn't nailed down. She knew Casey was coming back to the house and taking things, she also knew nothing of Caylee's was being removed from the house. She suspected early on that Caylee was in trouble,and by the time she wrote her little plea on MYSPACE on the 3rd of July she was frantic. I do think she initially suspected that Casey had given Caylee away, Caylee possibly being dead I don't think entered her mind til the smell in the car.

You have it SO RIGHT, Ish. Between you and Pru I don't need to post anything anymore because you two always say it better than I can.

[trich]

I think that she just lies. Even when she doesn't have to.
JMO

I agree...I don't think this family knows how to tell the truth .
I am beginning to believe that they have always hated their lives and
therefore they try to reinvent themselves constantly.
This has not just happened in trying to cover for Casey murdering
Caylee ...they have been doing this all their lives.....if they don't like
what is happening they pretend it is not or they come up with something that is suppose to sound better
or more logical or excuses for whatever and in the long run they continue to look foolish.

[jammies]

CIndy kept track of STUFF to keep tabs on what Casey was up to during those 30 days. I'll bet she came home everyday and took inventory of clothing, shoes, contents of the refrigerator and anything else that wasn't nailed down. She knew Casey was coming back to the house and taking things, she also knew nothing of Caylee's was being removed from the house. She suspected early on that Caylee was in trouble,and by the time she wrote her little plea on MYSPACE on the 3rd of July she was frantic. I do think she initially suspected that Casey had given Caylee away, Caylee possibly being dead I don't think entered her mind til the smell in the car.


Yep. In a nutshell.

[onlykaty]

CIndy kept track of STUFF to keep tabs on what Casey was up to during those 30 days. I'll bet she came home everyday and took inventory of clothing, shoes, contents of the refrigerator and anything else that wasn't nailed down. She knew Casey was coming back to the house and taking things, she also knew nothing of Caylee's was being removed from the house. She suspected early on that Caylee was in trouble,and by the time she wrote her little plea on MYSPACE on the 3rd of July she was frantic. I do think she initially suspected that Casey had given Caylee away, Caylee possibly being dead I don't think entered her mind til the smell in the car.

Bingo!..In fact you could hear it in Cindy's voice in the 911 call. jmo

[Sun]

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/120909motions/1/lg/120909motions_Page_1.htm

Anyone up for a laugh today? Here is a link showing the hand-written documents filed by Elgine Furlow.

Holy moly....

[desmom]

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/120909motions/1/lg/120909motions_Page_1.htm

Anyone up for a laugh today? Here is a link showing the hand-written documents filed by Elgine Furlow.

Holy moly....

Holy moly is a good description. :scared:

[Xmygrits]

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/120909motions/1/lg/120909motions_Page_1.htm

Anyone up for a laugh today? Here is a link showing the hand-written documents filed by Elgine Furlow.

Holy moly....

Could it be Elgine is a former student of Baez or Lyons? I see similarities in the writing style.

[Sun]

Holy moly is a good description. :scared:

Can you imagine what Judge Strickland thought when he saw those? Or are the courts used to this type of thing?

[Spots]

Blimey, does it say copy to christ! :biggrin:

Copy to Governor Crist.

Close, but not.

[SandyO]

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/120909motions/1/lg/120909motions_Page_1.htm

Anyone up for a laugh today? Here is a link showing the hand-written documents filed by Elgine Furlow.

Holy moly....

He needs to be in a mental institution.

[pixiejoolz]

Blimey, does it say copy to christ! :biggrin:

To be fair, I think it is "Crist" as in Fl gov Charlie Crist. :ohmy:

[BettyC]

I usually just read the posts and get on with my morning but I'm sitting pondering the over the laptop. I'm not real computer savy, although I have had one for quite a few years.

If a person got a virus would it have taken only certain files by date? Wouldn't the virus have to be dealt with to keep it from frying later files too? From what I understand it would have to of took information from a certain time period from the same applications.

I honestly don't buy a virus at all. This was done for a reason imo.

I tried going to back to read Lee's depo about the laptop again because I was wondering if Lee's statement said whether he told LE this right when returning from picking the laptop up or whether is was later.

Also I always thought when a pc crashed a person lost all or most all of their data. The first online pc I had was a real oldie and I crashed it a couple of times, I think I had windows 3.0 or something like that and all was lost. Windows had to be reinstalled.

Ok, I'm going to stop before I start sounding to dumb here..:blushing:

Just to add, YES, I FIRMLY beleive Casey all by her little ole evil self Killed and disposed of Caylee. YES, I FIRMLY beleive that G,C and Lee have been covering up ever since one of them realized what had happened. They know who is responsible for Caylee's death. I knew almost from day one. 31 days. BAM!


I always thought Lee didn't know what he was talking about re the computer. Years ago, a crash would cause you to lose everything but not now.

IF you were working say on a word document or excel or in the middle of anything, and you were to shut down the computer improperly (just hitting the power button), you will get a message next time you boot up that the computer was not shut down properly and that you may have lost some data.

You "might" lose the current info on the word or excel document but you wouldn't lose everything and a virus is not involved.

Casey, I would think just hit the power button once she knew she would have to go with her mother. I doubt a blue screen of death was involved no matter what Lee says.

[ish]

You have it SO RIGHT, Ish. Between you and Pru I don't need to post anything anymore because you two always say it better than I can.

Don't let me stop you from posting your ideas/thoughts SandyO, even when we are on the same page. What makes this board so great is the input from everyone. We all add something valuable to the discussion, even if we disagree sometimes.

[MGM111]

I always thought Lee didn't know what he was talking about re the computer. Years ago, a crash would cause you to lose everything but not now.

IF you were working say on a word document or excel or in the middle of anything, and you were to shut down the computer improperly (just hitting the power button), you will get a message next time you boot up that the computer was not shut down properly and that you may have lost some data.

You "might" lose the current info on the word or excel document but you wouldn't lose everything and a virus is not involved.

Casey, I would think just hit the power button once she knew she would have to go with her mother. I doubt a blue screen of death was involved no matter what Lee says.


Yep - Correctamundo :thumbup:

[sammy62]

I always thought Lee didn't know what he was talking about re the computer. Years ago, a crash would cause you to lose everything but not now.

IF you were working say on a word document or excel or in the middle of anything, and you were to shut down the computer improperly (just hitting the power button), you will get a message next time you boot up that the computer was not shut down properly and that you may have lost some data.

You "might" lose the current info on the word or excel document but you wouldn't lose everything and a virus is not involved.

Casey, I would think just hit the power button once she knew she would have to go with her mother. I doubt a blue screen of death was involved no matter what Lee says.

Anything on a computer can be retrieved. No matter if you reformat the hard drive....delete everything. Its still on your hard drive. Its costly and you need to be very computer savvy to retrieve it. But the government does it all the time.

Thats how they catch all these child porn watchers. They have every incriminating word Casey wrote.

[Lavinya]

Can you imagine what Judge Strickland thought when he saw those? Or are the courts used to this type of thing?

In spades! We used to pick up sick call requests from inmates 3 times daily and about 50% or more of them were very, very, similar to this writing. It's almost stereotypical I would say. In sick call requests, we would have inmates writing to us about how (insert super-power or religion or whatever fantastical ideation) is trying to either make them sick, cost them a case, keep them in prison, deny their rights, or write about other cases they know something about. There is a lot of writing word for word out of law books, that have absolutely NOTHING to do with any issue they had. It could sometimes be quite entertaining.

[LadyHam]

New Casey Anthony discovery to be released
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/120909-Casey-Anthony
New discovery documents in the case against Casey Anthony are set to be released today.

Oooh, we get a document dump today!:thumbup: Any word on what the documents will be about?

[LadyHam]

What will we see?

Maggot Evidence? Mark Hawkins Interview? Mallory's interview or depo?

I'll take any of the above.

[BettyC]

Anything on a computer can be retrieved. No matter if you reformat the hard drive....delete everything. Its still on your hard drive. Its costly and you need to be very computer savvy to retrieve it. But the government does it all the time.

Thats how they catch all these child porn watchers. They have every incriminating word Casey wrote.

I agree Sammy. That's why I feel Lee a) doesn't know what he's talking about or b) is lying and purposely deleted things.

[ish]

I agree Sammy. That's why I feel Lee a) doesn't know what he's talking about or b) is lying and purposely deleted things.

My vote is both A and B, after all we are talking about Lee here and he is an Anthony.

[Sun]

In spades! We used to pick up sick call requests from inmates 3 times daily and about 50% or more of them were very, very, similar to this writing. It's almost stereotypical I would say. In sick call requests, we would have inmates writing to us about how (insert super-power or religion or whatever fantastical ideation) is trying to either make them sick, cost them a case, keep them in prison, deny their rights, or write about other cases they know something about. There is a lot of writing word for word out of law books, that have absolutely NOTHING to do with any issue they had. It could sometimes be quite entertaining.

Do you suppose that Casey could also be having increased concerns that everyone is out to get her? Would the isolation of protective custody have affected Casey by now?

[desmom]

I agree Sammy. That's why I feel Lee a) doesn't know what he's talking about or b) is lying and purposely deleted things.

I think Casey told Lee there were things on "Cindy's" laptop she did not want her parents to see and Lee did the deleting.

Did Tone or his roommate ever say in their interviews how long Lee was at the apt? I wonder if their timeline and Lee's timeline matches.

jmo

[Sun]

Anything on a computer can be retrieved. No matter if you reformat the hard drive....delete everything. Its still on your hard drive. Its costly and you need to be very computer savvy to retrieve it. But the government does it all the time.

Thats how they catch all these child porn watchers. They have every incriminating word Casey wrote.

They say that a HAMMER can be quite effective in preventing retrieval.

How easy would it be for LE to get copies of Casey's old email records from Yahoo?

[LadyHam]

It's likely that the defense will focus greatly on this area of the case, and I do believe that folks do wonder how Caylee's remains could have been overlooked since they were so close to the Anthony home.

Even if I might have a doubt as to "who" dumped Caylee's body in that area, it doesn't change my opinion as to who is responsible for Caylee's death. The someone who lied about the whereabouts of her child for 31 days.

Bolding by me....

Although I truly believe that Caylee's remains were placed at the remains site since June, I do also wonder why her remains were not found sooner.

I know LE and searchers were focusing on places that corresponded to cell phone pings and whatnot, but just due to the close proximity to the Anthony family home and the fact that Kio Marie told police that Casey used to bury her pets there, I think that particular area should have been gone over w/a fine tooth comb from the moment that LE felt that Caylee was deceased.

I know Caylee's remains were under water, but careful ground searches by LE could have possibly found her sooner. Can you imagine how much more evidence there would be against Casey if Caylee's body had been found from the very beginning?

I know it is easy to look back in hindsight and ask why this area wasn't searched a little more thoroughly, but I do believe that this case will definitely set a precedent for all future cases of this nature. In the next case like this, I am sure that LE will search the vacant lots and wooded areas near the accused home very closely w/out leaving any stone unturned.

[ish]

I think Casey told Lee there were things on "Cindy's" laptop she did not want her parents to see and Lee did the deleting.

Did Tone or his roommate ever say in their interviews how long Lee was at the apt? I wonder if their timeline and Lee's timeline matches.

jmo

I don't know if Tone mentioned it but I believe Lee stated he was at Tone's apt that evening for a couple of hours. He was actually surprised that it had been such a long time.

[oswald]

I think it is 9am Eastern... a little birdie told me on my facebook!

I thought it was 9:30 EST - anyone know for sure??? I'm two hours behind and I missed the beginning last time - I always like to see the perp walk LOL

[desmom]

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/120909motions/1/lg/120909motions_Page_1.htm

Anyone up for a laugh today? Here is a link showing the hand-written documents filed by Elgine Furlow.

Holy moly....

I didn't realize there were 2 pages:

page 2 http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/120909motions/1/lg/120909motions_Page _2.htm

Double Holy Moly. :scared:

[oswald]

From what I remember from Tim Miller - that area, where Caylees remains were found, was underwater the whole time - there were snakes and other creatures in the area which is why they didn't walk out into the area - Tim Miller also stated that he didn't want to use terrain vehicles in that area and a few others because it would have crushed the body or skeleton because there was no way to look under the water - being it was muddy silt full

Even Kronk stated that he could only go far into that area and a few other areas because of snakes and creatures

Bolding by me....

Although I truly believe that Caylee's remains were placed at the remains site since June, I do also wonder why her remains were not found sooner.

I know LE and searchers were focusing on places that corresponded to cell phone pings and whatnot, but just due to the close proximity to the Anthony family home and the fact that Kio Marie told police that Casey used to bury her pets there, I think that particular area should have been gone over w/a fine tooth comb from the moment that LE felt that Caylee was deceased.

I know Caylee's remains were under water, but careful ground searches by LE could have possibly found her sooner. Can you imagine how much more evidence there would be against Casey if Caylee's body had been found from the very beginning?

I know it is easy to look back in hindsight and ask why this area wasn't searched a little more thoroughly, but I do believe that this case will definitely set a precedent for all future cases of this nature. In the next case like this, I am sure that LE will search the vacant lots and wooded areas near the accused home very closely w/out leaving any stone unturned.

[Scampi]

If we all remember back to when Tim Miller was in Orlando searching, he was in the area where Caylee was eventually found, searching with ATV's. He lost a brand new ATV in water very near the remains site.

He then called off the search, remember how angry we all were at that time? I sure do, but then he explained he would not risk going into an area covered with water with ATV's and horses that could damage potential evidence. That was very smart thinking, imo.

[Spots]

I didn't realize there were 2 pages:

page 2 http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/120909motions/1/lg/120909motions_Page _2.htm

Double Holy Moly. :scared:

File not found, Desmom. You can go to Page 1 and click the "next" at the top of the page to access it.

[LadyHam]

Okay, got it. I am convinced that KC did it because had anyone else done it, the body would have been transported many miles away and hidden much better. Items linking back to Casa anthony would never have been included in the deposit either, imo.

The gas challenged KC put the remains close to home because it was familiar and expedient, imo.

Bolding by me....

I so agree. The fact that Casey didn't have any money and was always running out of gas should have furthered enhanced LE's interest in the site where Caylee was eventually found. I know so much was going on at the time, but knowing what we know now, I wish that LE would have searched that area a little more thoroughly. I think the case against Casey could possibly be even stronger than it is now, and it might not have reached the ridiculous circus proportions that it has.

[Xmygrits]

Sorry... it was just a joke, English sence of humour I guess .... but I had worked that out :ohmy:

I got and praise appriciated the Brit humor. Praise very funny!

[jammies]

If we all remember back to when Tim Miller was in Orlando searching, he was in the area where Caylee was eventually found, searching with ATV's. He lost a brand new ATV in water very near the remains site.

He then called off the search, remember how angry we all were at that time? I sure do, but then he explained he would not risk going into an area covered with water with ATV's and horses that could damage potential evidence. That was very smart thinking, imo.


Thanks to Tim and his wise thinking otherwise she may never have been found.

[sammy62]

I agree Sammy. That's why I feel Lee a) doesn't know what he's talking about or b) is lying and purposely deleted things.

He's lying. They don't know how to tell the truth. If you found out that your niece/daughter/grandaughter, was missing. I think retrieving her laptop would not be on the top of a priority list. Especially at midnight

[oswald]

Anything on a computer can be retrieved. No matter if you reformat the hard drive....delete everything. Its still on your hard drive. Its costly and you need to be very computer savvy to retrieve it. But the government does it all the time.

Thats how they catch all these child porn watchers. They have every incriminating word Casey wrote.

It's that pesky memory disk - you get internet searches, emails, everything

If somebody can refresh my memory - weren't there missing children searches done on the computer BEFORE Caylee went missing??? There are a few on another site telling me I'm lying and making things up (yes there are those who think they are experts LOL) I found a CNN story on it but I was told that it wasn't good enough (oh the things people do on the net - they can hide behind it and harrass)

[ish]

Bolding by me....

Although I truly believe that Caylee's remains were placed at the remains site since June, I do also wonder why her remains were not found sooner.

I know LE and searchers were focusing on places that corresponded to cell phone pings and whatnot, but just due to the close proximity to the Anthony family home and the fact that Kio Marie told police that Casey used to bury her pets there, I think that particular area should have been gone over w/a fine tooth comb from the moment that LE felt that Caylee was deceased.

I know Caylee's remains were under water, but careful ground searches by LE could have possibly found her sooner. Can you imagine how much more evidence there would be against Casey if Caylee's body had been found from the very beginning?

I know it is easy to look back in hindsight and ask why this area wasn't searched a little more thoroughly, but I do believe that this case will definitely set a precedent for all future cases of this nature. In the next case like this, I am sure that LE will search the vacant lots and wooded areas near the accused home very closely w/out leaving any stone unturned.

Hi Lady, I agree that it would have been so much easier to try this case if Caylee had been found sooner. I don't want to second guess LE as I'm sure they did their best. So many children's bodies are found very close to their home, that I do think it should be of utmost importance to thoroughly search the entire area several times if necessary. I do think it may have been due to the 31 day lag in even having Caylee reported missing that threw this case off, but Casey's lies and the tales related to LE by Cindy put LE on a wild goose chase and the search was secondary.

[Sun]

I didn't realize there were 2 pages:

page 2 http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/120909motions/1/lg/120909motions_Page _2.htm

Double Holy Moly. :scared:

I tried. I really did. But, I couldn't figure out all the words on the second document, or at least not good enough to form anything that made any sense at all.

Double Holy Moly is right. :scared:

[Spots]

Bolding by me....

Although I truly believe that Caylee's remains were placed at the remains site since June, I do also wonder why her remains were not found sooner.

I know LE and searchers were focusing on places that corresponded to cell phone pings and whatnot, but just due to the close proximity to the Anthony family home and the fact that Kio Marie told police that Casey used to bury her pets there, I think that particular area should have been gone over w/a fine tooth comb from the moment that LE felt that Caylee was deceased.

I know Caylee's remains were under water, but careful ground searches by LE could have possibly found her sooner. Can you imagine how much more evidence there would be against Casey if Caylee's body had been found from the very beginning?

I know it is easy to look back in hindsight and ask why this area wasn't searched a little more thoroughly, but I do believe that this case will definitely set a precedent for all future cases of this nature. In the next case like this, I am sure that LE will search the vacant lots and wooded areas near the accused home very closely w/out leaving any stone unturned.

I know in hindsight it's easy to see that this makes sense. But I can see LE looking at the airport, the area near the college, etc. due to logical, concrete evidence (cel phone pings and whatnot). They knew Casey lied, so they looked at the evidence that did not lie and searched those areas. The area the KioMarie talked about at the time (pre-National Enquirer) was not the same area where Caylee was found. Before too long, the waters came and there was no chance.

Besides, what kind of *stupid* person would dump a body that close to their own home? <--- rhetorial question

[Jen]

Is it Friday yet? I need my fix.

[Tia]

He's lying. They don't know how to tell the truth. If you found out that your niece/daughter/grandaughter, was missing. I think retrieving her laptop would not be on the top of a priority list. Especially at midnight

Oh, ITA! I swear these people went into "protect Casey" mode as soon as they knew Caylee was "missing". IMO, they KNEW Casey did something and automatically went into damage control mode. I'd bet they have done this many, many times in the past for her.

[Lavinya]

Do you suppose that Casey could also be having increased concerns that everyone is out to get her? Would the isolation of protective custody have affected Casey by now?

I think we've been seeing changes in her already. She has a flatter affect now and of course you can see the mild-ish physical changes. I don't know just how segregated she is in jail as opposed to prison. Jails tend to be a bit busier than prisons, because there is so much inmate turnaround, and people coming and going on court cases and there tends to be more frequent visitation in jails as your friends and family are usually closer to you in the county where you offend compared to the county where you are usually "stored". There tend to be more mental and social stimulation in jails for these reasons (and people still have hope that they will be found innocent). You tend to be treated better by staff when you are in county jails because many inmates still have the presumption of innocence and must be treated so if they aren't found guilty yet. I contend she will continue on a downward spiral and will only do better during her trial when she will have a lot of purpose in her life, socialization, and how ever much hope she has and some other possible positives. IF she goes to death row, or a SEG situation, she will certainly decompensate again, IMO. I don't think Casey will ever be a happy camper again.

[BettyC]

Is it Friday yet? I need my fix.

30 page doc dump due out today Jen. Will that hold ya?

eta: Read v e r y s l o w l y.

[LadyHam]

O/T a little bit, but for the past few days I have been wondering if the Amanda Knox verdict is affecting Camp Anthony at all and how they will proceed w/Casey's case. I have not followed the AK case all that closely, but it appears that many thought she was not guilty and had a chance of getting off of the charges. I know she was tried in another country and all, but I have to wonder if the outcome of her trial is making Casey's defense team even more worried about the outcome of Casey's trial? Anyway, that is just something that has been on my mind for the past few days.

[5boxersmom]

Are we getting new docs today?

[Sun]

Originally Posted by LadyHam
Bolding by me....

Although I truly believe that Caylee's remains were placed at the remains site since June, I do also wonder why her remains were not found sooner.

I know LE and searchers were focusing on places that corresponded to cell phone pings and whatnot, but just due to the close proximity to the Anthony family home and the fact that Kio Marie told police that Casey used to bury her pets there, I think that particular area should have been gone over w/a fine tooth comb from the moment that LE felt that Caylee was deceased.

I know Caylee's remains were under water, but careful ground searches by LE could have possibly found her sooner. Can you imagine how much more evidence there would be against Casey if Caylee's body had been found from the very beginning?

I know it is easy to look back in hindsight and ask why this area wasn't searched a little more thoroughly, but I do believe that this case will definitely set a precedent for all future cases of this nature. In the next case like this, I am sure that LE will search the vacant lots and wooded areas near the accused home very closely w/out leaving any stone unturned.

There are those pesky trespassing laws etc., that do tend to discourage citizens from going on land that they have not been able to get permission to search. While that may not stop LE, it could easily have stopped many citizens from searching that specific area.

In some areas, it could actually be dangerous to go snooping around, and one just don't want to get shot at. Not saying that there are areas like that in Orlando, cause I don't know as I don't live there.

[Lavinya]

I tried. I really did. But, I couldn't figure out all the words on the second document, or at least not good enough to form anything that made any sense at all.

Double Holy Moly is right. :scared:

Oh I wish you guys could work in a prison for a week. You would not believe what is waiting for the OC. That inmate's communication is SO par for the course in prisons. (Really a lot of it is sad because you can see how sick, truly mentally ill so many are.)

[Sun]

30 page doc dump due out today Jen. Will that hold ya?

eta: Read v e r y s l o w l y.

O h . Y o u a r e s o f u n n y ! :sneaky:

[LadyHam]

I know in hindsight it's easy to see that this makes sense. But I can see LE looking at the airport, the area near the college, etc. due to logical, concrete evidence (cel phone pings and whatnot). They knew Casey lied, so they looked at the evidence that did not lie and searched those areas. The area the KioMarie talked about at the time (pre-National Enquirer) was not the same area where Caylee was found. Before too long, the waters came and there was no chance.

Besides, what kind of *stupid* person would dump a body that close to their own home? <--- rhetorial question

Bolding by me....

So true! That is one of the main reasons that I think that Casey acted alone. Had she had help, the body would not have been placed that close to the Anthony family home.

[LadyHam]

Are we getting new docs today?

Supposedly this afternoon!:thumbsup:

[Tia]

30 page doc dump due out today Jen. Will that hold ya?

eta: Read v e r y s l o w l y.

I wish they'd hurry!!!!

[oswald]

This is an excellent post and very true - I asked my Dad about the same thing (as he is a retired Police Chief/FBI, career cop - he was the head fingerprint analyst on the Manson murders)

Anyways - the city jails are just this, busy and you have the presumption of innocence - and if she were in solitary lock up in prison, she would be having a terrible time - solitary lock up is in a cell block with others who are normally yelling, are on psychiatric watch, etc. It's a horrible situation - AND being a baby killer is 10 times worse

I think we've been seeing changes in her already. She has a flatter affect now and of course you can see the mild-ish physical changes. I don't know just how segregated she is in jail as opposed to prison. Jails tend to be a bit busier than prisons, because there is so much inmate turnaround, and people coming and going on court cases and there tends to be more frequent visitation in jails as your friends and family are usually closer to you in the county where you offend compared to the county where you are usually "stored". There tend to be more mental and social stimulation in jails for these reasons (and people still have hope that they will be found innocent). You tend to be treated better by staff when you are in county jails because many inmates still have the presumption of innocence and must be treated so if they aren't found guilty yet. I contend she will continue on a downward spiral and will only do better during her trial when she will have a lot of purpose in her life, socialization, and how ever much hope she has and some other possible positives. IF she goes to death row, or a SEG situation, she will certainly decompensate again, IMO. I don't think Casey will ever be a happy camper again.

[onlykaty]

I always thought Lee didn't know what he was talking about re the computer. Years ago, a crash would cause you to lose everything but not now.

IF you were working say on a word document or excel or in the middle of anything, and you were to shut down the computer improperly (just hitting the power button), you will get a message next time you boot up that the computer was not shut down properly and that you may have lost some data.

You "might" lose the current info on the word or excel document but you wouldn't lose everything and a virus is not involved.

Casey, I would think just hit the power button once she knew she would have to go with her mother. I doubt a blue screen of death was involved no matter what Lee says.


I know you improperly shut down without crashing but I guess I as talking more about the virus thing. I don't beleive Lee either. I was just speculating on how he thought that story was going to roll..lol

[oswald]

Bolding by me....

So true! That is one of the main reasons that I think that Casey acted alone. Had she had help, the body would not have been placed that close to the Anthony family home.

A mother would do that - it's a known psychological fact - mothers who kill their children normally bury them at home (in which it's supposed that Casey tried to do) or they put their bodies close to home - it's in a way watching over them - Fathers/men tend to discard a body of a child or their child anywhere - Also murders of children by their mother is normally non violent and ones by fathers are violent

[jamom]

He already had the media wh0res as clients, now I guess he's going after the regular wh0res too.

Oh geesh, I woke up late and am on first cup of coffee and just about ruined the keyboard. Too funny!

[Spots]

I think we've been seeing changes in her already. She has a flatter affect now and of course you can see the mild-ish physical changes. I don't know just how segregated she is in jail as opposed to prison. Jails tend to be a bit busier than prisons, because there is so much inmate turnaround, and people coming and going on court cases and there tends to be more frequent visitation in jails as your friends and family are usually closer to you in the county where you offend compared to the county where you are usually "stored". There tend to be more mental and social stimulation in jails for these reasons (and people still have hope that they will be found innocent). You tend to be treated better by staff when you are in county jails because many inmates still have the presumption of innocence and must be treated so if they aren't found guilty yet. I contend she will continue on a downward spiral and will only do better during her trial when she will have a lot of purpose in her life, socialization, and how ever much hope she has and some other possible positives. IF she goes to death row, or a SEG situation, she will certainly decompensate again, IMO. I don't think Casey will ever be a happy camper again.

I'm so very sorry to hear that. :D

[Lavinya]

This is an excellent post and very true - I asked my Dad about the same thing (as he is a retired Police Chief/FBI, career cop - he was the head fingerprint analyst on the Manson murders)

Anyways - the city jails are just this, busy and you have the presumption of innocence - and if she were in solitary lock up in prison, she would be having a terrible time - solitary lock up is in a cell block with others who are normally yelling, are on psychiatric watch, etc. It's a horrible situation - AND being a baby killer is 10 times worse

The only way I see her carving out any kind of life is if she doesn't get death, and stays segged for a number of years, like 10, when the crime is not fresh in all the inmate's minds, her notoriety dies down, and she learns the ropes of prison. Then I expect her to have a Diane Downs type experience.

[Lavinya]

I'm so very sorry to hear that. :D

I knew I induced mass depression on the board today. :sneaky:

[Sun]

Oh I wish you guys could work in a prison for a week. You would not believe what is waiting for the OC. That inmate's communication is SO par for the course in prisons. (Really a lot of it is sad because you can see how sick, truly mentally ill so many are.)

I've watched a few of the documentary prison shows on TV in the last year, and have learned a few things. Enough to know that I wouldn't do well working in a prison. However, I do enjoy hearing some of your accounts and stories about prison life and experiences.

Until watching some of those shows, I never realized that prisons were such noisy places.

[oswald]

The only way I see her carving out any kind of life is if she doesn't get death, and stays segged for a number of years, like 10, when they crime is not fresh in all the inmates minds, her notoriety dies down, and she learns the ropes of prison. Then I expect her to have a Diane Downs type experience.

I wonder if she'll try to escape like Diane Downs did - well DD did escape and was caught again - now THAT would be news - and my guess her family would help her

[oswald]

I've watched a few of the documentary prison shows on TV in the last year, and have learned a few things. Enough to know that I wouldn't do well working in a prison. However, I do enjoy hearing some of your accounts and stories about prison life and experiences.

Until watching some of those shows, I never realized that prisons were such noisy places.

Yeah those are the ones on MSNBC right? Did you see the one about the female prison??? Ohhhh Casey just might be in for some lovin' LOL

[Tia]

Bolding by me....

So true! That is one of the main reasons that I think that Casey acted alone. Had she had help, the body would not have been placed that close to the Anthony family home.

I don't think that Casey thought too hard about it at all. IMO, she has been lying her entire life, and Cindy has been covering for her. I always thought that she just dumped Caylee with very little thought, and assumed Cindy would work out all the details if she were caught. That seems to be the pattern. Cover for Casey even when its OBVIOUS!

[Spots]

A mother would do that - it's a known psychological fact - mothers who kill their children normally bury them at home (in which it's supposed that Casey tried to do) or they put their bodies close to home - it's in a way watching over them - Fathers/men tend to discard a body of a child or their child anywhere - Also murders of children by their mother is normally non violent and ones by fathers are violent

I can buy this. How many sad times have we heard of a dead baby in the closet, or buried in the basement, or found in a steamer trunk in the attic? But those places are *very* close. There's so little chance that LE just happens to knock on your door and asks to see what's in your old steamer trunk. In these cases, the "disposal" remains private.

Far away makes sense to me, too. 'Nuff said.

But close and out in the open? Major problem. Ergo, not a smart move.

[onlykaty]

I think Casey told Lee there were things on "Cindy's" laptop she did not want her parents to see and Lee did the deleting.

Did Tone or his roommate ever say in their interviews how long Lee was at the apt? I wonder if their timeline and Lee's timeline matches.

jmo

I was wondering the same thing des, that would be pretty easy to check but I don't remember that being asked in Tone or Nathan's depo. :shrug:

I used to try and delete things I downloaded to make more ram and a couple of times I deleted a important file or files, windows 3.0, remember it well, we had some swell times together..NOT! Lordy, I'm glad those days are over. :laugh:

[Lavinya]

I've watched a few of the documentary prison shows on TV in the last year, and have learned a few things. Enough to know that I wouldn't do well working in a prison. However, I do enjoy hearing some of your accounts and stories about prison life and experiences.

Until watching some of those shows, I never realized that prisons were such noisy places.

The noise was the number one thing that surprised me. Even on the Lock Up series, you can't get a good appreciation of the acoustics in those places because it's a RAW sound with all that screaming, hollering and clanging, beating off of concrete and steel. One of the gals I went to nursing school took me for a tour of SEG when I first applied there, and it almost scared me to death. I was wearing a long black skirt with a black top on and inmates were yelling, "Are you going to a funeral?" And, "Look, Johnny Cash's wife is here!" And then there were the guys whose hands you could see moving suspiciously, IYKWIM. Another surprise for me, was how much light there is 24 hours a day, especially in a SEG sitch. Count is done often twice a shift and you don't take count in a dark room. Count also takes a long time to do, so basically lights are just left on 24/7. Good times!

ETA: What inmates HATE to have is when a lockdown happens for some reason. Then NO ONE gets out of their housing for any reason, except an escort to medical. They don't get mail, go to the store, get exercise, showers, hot meals, nothing. (They get a "johnny-snack" which is usually a bologna sandwich with warm milk.) Lock downs can go on for weeks at a time, but usually only for days. It gets very tense during lock downs.

[desmom]

Bolding by me....

Although I truly believe that Caylee's remains were placed at the remains site since June, I do also wonder why her remains were not found sooner.

I know LE and searchers were focusing on places that corresponded to cell phone pings and whatnot, but just due to the close proximity to the Anthony family home and the fact that Kio Marie told police that Casey used to bury her pets there, I think that particular area should have been gone over w/a fine tooth comb from the moment that LE felt that Caylee was deceased.

I know Caylee's remains were under water, but careful ground searches by LE could have possibly found her sooner. Can you imagine how much more evidence there would be against Casey if Caylee's body had been found from the very beginning?

I know it is easy to look back in hindsight and ask why this area wasn't searched a little more thoroughly, but I do believe that this case will definitely set a precedent for all future cases of this nature. In the next case like this, I am sure that LE will search the vacant lots and wooded areas near the accused home very closely w/out leaving any stone unturned.


BBM - Kio did a phone interview and one at the school.

phone interview: http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Cruz%20%20Kiomarie%20phone%20call-0812.pdf

school interview: http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Cruz%20%20Kiomarie0812.pdf

I could have missed it, but I didn't see anything about burying their pets there. Was there another interview? :shrug:

LE may have thought Kio was a flake. She told them she had received a phone call from Casey and then she decided it was a different Casey.

jmo

[Tia]

I can buy this. How many sad times have we heard of a dead baby in the closet, or buried in the basement, or found in a steamer trunk in the attic? But those places are *very* close. There's so little chance that LE just happens to knock on your door and asks to see what's in your old steamer trunk. In these cases, the "disposal" remains private.

Far away makes sense to me, too. 'Nuff said.

But close and out in the open? Major problem. Ergo, not a smart move.

I honestly don't think Casey gave much thought to where she put Caylee at all. She is used to lying and used to Cindy fixing her messes. I am sure she had no worries at all.

[onlykaty]

Does anyone know what time we usually get new documents? I have to run to store soon and I'm getting anxious to read them..:(

[Spots]

BBM - Kio did a phone interview and one at the school.

phone interview: http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Cruz%20%20Kiomarie%20phone%20call-0812.pdf

school interview: http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Cruz%20%20Kiomarie0812.pdf

I could have missed it, but I didn't see anything about burying their pets there. Was there another interview? :shrug:

LE may have thought Kio was a flake. She told them she had received a phone call from Casey and then she decided it was a different Casey.

jmo

KioMarie was the first to give her "exclusive" story to that gem of journalism, the National Enquirer. Did you check that?

[5boxersmom]

Supposedly this afternoon!:thumbsup:

Oh Yay!!!!. Bring them on, I have the whole afternoon free. :biggrin:

[Spots]

I honestly don't think Casey gave much thought to where she put Caylee at all. She is used to lying and used to Cindy fixing her messes. I am sure she had no worries at all.

Which equals stupid. :D

[Tia]

Which equals stupid. :D

No Spots, the Anthony's are the SMARTEST people in the world!!! Its everyone else that is stoooooooooooooopit.
:rolleyes:

[Sun]

The noise was the number one thing that surprised me. Even on the Lock Up series, you can't get a good appreciation of the acoustics in those places because it's a RAW sound with all that screaming, hollering and clanging, beating off of concrete and steel. One of the gals I went to nursing school took me for a tour of SEG when I first applied there, and it almost scared me to death. I was wearing a long black skirt with a black top on and inmates were yelling, "Are you going to a funeral?" And, "Look, Johnny Cash's wife is here!" And then there were the guys whose hands you could see moving suspiciously, IYKWIM. Another surprise for me, was how much light there is 24 hours a day, especially in a SEG sitch. Count is done often twice a shift and you don't take count in a dark room. Count also takes a long time to do, so basically lights are just left on 24/7. Good times!

ETA: What inmates HATE to have is when a lockdown happens for some reason. Then NO ONE gets out of their housing for any reason, except an escort to medical. They don't get mail, go to the store, get exercise, showers, hot meals, nothing. (They get a "johnny-snack" which is usually a bologna sandwich with warm milk.) Lock downs can go on for weeks at a time, but usually only for days. It gets very tense during lock downs.

Maybe you can answer a question that I've not yet seen answered, even after I've watched all those shows. How is the laundry handled? How often do inmates have the opportunity to get clean clothes? Or how often can they get "their" clothing laundered? How often can they get a clean sheet, blanket, or pillow case (if they get these at all)?

[need2no]

KioMarie was the first to give her "exclusive" story to that gem of journalism, the National Enquirer. Did you check that?

Yep, December 18, 2008:


http://www.nationalenquirer.com/i_could_have_saved_caylee_anthony_casy_anthony_bes t_friend_/celebrity/65924

[really3997]

I didn't realize there were 2 pages:

page 2 http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/120909motions/1/lg/120909motions_Page _2.htm

Double Holy Moly. :scared:

Well bless his heart. At least he said repectfully.

[onlykaty]

I honestly don't think Casey gave much thought to where she put Caylee at all. She is used to lying and used to Cindy fixing her messes. I am sure she had no worries at all.

I agree Tia, its almost like she couldn't be bothered or use up anymore of her time with the small stuff, like getting rid of Caylee. Casey knew she could get Cindy to cover for her and George also. I honestly think once she went down this road, aka, the nanny, she would become the victim and life would be working and looking good for her again. I can't wait for the trial!!!

Hope Judge Strickland, deals with all the motions friday and defense walks away with egg on their faces. (or crying).

[desmom]

KioMarie was the first to give her "exclusive" story to that gem of journalism, the National Enquirer. Did you check that?

Thanks for the reminder. I forgot about the NE interview. That is where the pet burying info came from.
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/i_could_have_saved_caylee_anthony_casy_anthony_bes t_friend_/celebrity/65924

[Spots]

Yep, December 18, 2008:


http://www.nationalenquirer.com/i_could_have_saved_caylee_anthony_casy_anthony_bes t_friend_/celebrity/65924

Well, there you are:

"In a chilling disclosure, Kiomarie told The ENQUIRER that the area where a body presumed to be Caylee was found was a secret hideaway of Casey's, and that she had long used it as a pet cemetery.

Kiomarie and Casey called that area The Zone - a secret place where as girls they would dress all in black and read prayers as they buried their dead pets."

Note that date of December - too late to help LE search.

But here's another hidden gem:

"Kiomarie remained so close to Casey that Casey gave Caylee the middle name of Marie, in honor of Kiomarie."

I bet Cindy wasn't happy to hear where this "Marie" came from. OR, is KioMarie full of Casey's lies, too? :sneaky:

ETA: My bad. "Way back in July, Kiomarie says she told police of her suspicions that Caylee's body might be found in The Zone." I still remember LE searching around the school, but *not* in the correct location.

[ish]

The noise was the number one thing that surprised me. Even on the Lock Up series, you can't get a good appreciation of the acoustics in those places because it's a RAW sound with all that screaming, hollering and clanging, beating off of concrete and steel. One of the gals I went to nursing school took me for a tour of SEG when I first applied there, and it almost scared me to death. I was wearing a long black skirt with a black top on and inmates were yelling, "Are you going to a funeral?" And, "Look, Johnny Cash's wife is here!" And then there were the guys whose hands you could see moving suspiciously, IYKWIM. Another surprise for me, was how much light there is 24 hours a day, especially in a SEG sitch. Count is done often twice a shift and you don't take count in a dark room. Count also takes a long time to do, so basically lights are just left on 24/7. Good times!

ETA: What inmates HATE to have is when a lockdown happens for some reason. Then NO ONE gets out of their housing for any reason, except an escort to medical. They don't get mail, go to the store, get exercise, showers, hot meals, nothing. (They get a "johnny-snack" which is usually a bologna sandwich with warm milk.) Lock downs can go on for weeks at a time, but usually only for days. It gets very tense during lock downs.

bold by me

IKWYM, If I had heard someone say "Hello Clarice" I would have been out of there like a shot! :scared:

[jamom]

Well bless his heart. At least he said repectfully.

Man, I just read that (or at least tried to) WTH? Is this someone who is in jail also?

[onlykaty]

Man, I just read that (or at least tried to) WTH? Is this someone who is in jail also?

I had a hard time reading it to. At least we tried I think thats more than Judge Strickland will do..how sad was that? Just wow, :sad:

[really3997]

Man, I just read that (or at least tried to) WTH? Is this someone who is in jail also?

well respectfully was one of the only words I could figure out. :wink:

[ish]

Well, there you are:

"In a chilling disclosure, Kiomarie told The ENQUIRER that the area where a body presumed to be Caylee was found was a secret hideaway of Casey's, and that she had long used it as a pet cemetery.

Kiomarie and Casey called that area The Zone - a secret place where as girls they would dress all in black and read prayers as they buried their dead pets."

Note that date of December - too late to help LE search.

But here's another hidden gem:

"Kiomarie remained so close to Casey that Casey gave Caylee the middle name of Marie, in honor of Kiomarie."

I bet Cindy wasn't happy to hear where this "Marie" came from. OR, is KioMarie full of Casey's lies, too? :sneaky:

my bold

Casey probably told her that she named Caylee "Marie" in her honor. Just to piss Cindy off.

[really3997]

my bold

Casey probably told her that she named Caylee "Marie" in her honor. Just to piss Cindy off.

soooo Casey lied :scared:

[ish]

soooo Casey lied :scared:

Casey lies, but then she tells the truth, so says Cindy (another known liar) who to believe, who to believe:confused:

[SandyO]

I think Casey told Lee there were things on "Cindy's" laptop she did not want her parents to see and Lee did the deleting.

Did Tone or his roommate ever say in their interviews how long Lee was at the apt? I wonder if their timeline and Lee's timeline matches.

jmo

There was something way back then about Lee sitting in his car with the laptop open and working on it, either outside TonE's or at home, I can't remember which. Finding a link would take me all day and tomorrow.

[sydney]

okay, totally off the things being discussed now but, when i was watching the july 25th jail video, kc said something that absolutely floored me.

cindy asked if zanny was acting alone and kc said she didn't know because she hadn't talked to anyone (what happened with jb park?) then she said something along the lines of "i'm hoping that if there's people involved there's as many people that are dumb enough to open their mouth and say something....."

wth? dumb enough? not honest enough, compassionate enough, moral enough? speaks VOLUMES to me.

the other thing that bugged me (well, everything about that video bugged me) is that cindy kept saying "look into my eyes". i know that she was trying to get kc to answer the leading questions cindy was asking in the manner in which cindy desired - not trying to see if kc was lying to her (remember cindy's statement "if i look into someone's eyes i can tell if they're lying).

okay okay - prolly been discussed before, so i'll go sit in the corner for now.

[Tia]

There was something way back then about Lee sitting in his car with the laptop open and working on it, either outside TonE's or at home, I can't remember which. Finding a link would take me all day and tomorrow.

More covering up for Casey.

I am still amazed that Lee, Cindy and George are walking around free, taking cruises, eating crab puffs, etc....

[TunaMelt]

The only way I see her carving out any kind of life is if she doesn't get death, and stays segged for a number of years, like 10, when the crime is not fresh in all the inmate's minds, her notoriety dies down, and she learns the ropes of prison. Then I expect her to have a Diane Downs type experience.

Lavinya, your posts about her psychological state have been really really interesting.

Downright excellent, I'd say.

thanks for them,

:seeya:

[bugout]

I know you improperly shut down without crashing but I guess I as talking more about the virus thing. I don't beleive Lee either. I was just speculating on how he thought that story was going to roll..lol

You know what, I've picked your post to respond to because this thing with Lee.....remember during one of his interrogations he mentioned Product being sold; I don't remember if it was the undercover tap or his actual interview but somewhere in there he did use the word PRODUCT being sold in that park, in relation to what casey was doing there.

NOW. I've always thought there was some kind of drug connection going on here. If Casey A did make Chloro in her parents home, it's possible she also cooked up other stuff. We just don't know. IT's possible though that both knew about some dealing, what was CaseyA doing for work.

This has never been answered. Where was she going all the time, what was she doing, and where was Caylee during this time. We don't know.

The use of the word PRODUCT by Lee, showed to me a sense of someone who knew about drugs, knew about the product being sold, and knows much more than he has ever said to LE. About that laptop, and about other things.

Was Snowman BrandonSnow and listed as snowman in her address book because he was a coke dealer? I don't know. But I sure do think there is some kind of drug link, something on her computer besides PHOTOS that Lee hid for her and attempted to erase. My feeling was it was about this Product. Using the word product was such a huge elephant in the room to me. It really stood out, no one has mentioned it much any more....

But who the hell is Caylee's FATHER and WHAT was casey A doing for a living and WHERE was she for these past two years? Cindy and George A would have known she wasn't at work, and just shopping they would have known by looking at their CC statements, exactly where she was.
It would have been easy to backtrack and tell.

So, again I want to know where she was, who this child's FATHER WAS and what CaseyA was doing for a living, was she dealing, and was Lee?

Usually only dealers would use the word Product. I still think drugs are involved in this case in some way. Casey A didn't work for more than two years. Where the hell was she and what what she doing? That's what I wanna know.

That motion is the biggest joke I've ever seen. That cannot be real.
Is that a joke?

BUG

[onlykaty]

okay, totally off the things being discussed now but, when i was watching the july 25th jail video, kc said something that absolutely floored me.

cindy asked if zanny was acting alone and kc said she didn't know because she hadn't talked to anyone (what happened with jb park?) then she said something along the lines of "i'm hoping that if there's people involved there's as many people that are dumb enough to open their mouth and say something....."

wth? dumb enough? not honest enough, compassionate enough, moral enough? speaks VOLUMES to me.

the other thing that bugged me (well, everything about that video bugged me) is that cindy kept saying "look into my eyes". i know that she was trying to get kc to answer the leading questions cindy was asking in the manner in which cindy desired - not trying to see if kc was lying to her (remember cindy's statement "if i look into someone's eyes i can tell if they're lying).

okay okay - prolly been discussed before, so i'll go sit in the corner for now.

I spend most of the in the corner when I'm on here..:(


I thought your post made a lot of sense.

[Tia]

Lavinya, can you tell me what the Diane Downs experience is?

[oswald]

I was reading over at the Sentinal site - people are saying that there is no one that has not heard about this case

One of my oldest friends has never heard about this case - I was kind of surprised, tho there are so many people that just don't pay attention to this kind of stuff

So can she get a fair trial? Yes - there are people in FL that just don't pay attention to this

[bugout]

Heck! I still want to know WHY casey had all her personal things in a profile/folder entitled: Bobbi or Bobby whichever the spelling was.

Who, the Heck, Is Bobbi any way? THAT has never been answered either.

But, that was her profile on the searches done on the PC. I think it was the desktop. No matter, really I just want to know who Bobbi is. And why all her files were under a folder using this name.

Bug

[Sun]

12/08/2009 Motion for Court's Permission to be Seated Forward of the Bar

I'm hoping that the media lets us know more about this motion.

[oswald]

Lavinya, can you tell me what the Diane Downs experience is?

Have you seen Small Sacrifices with Farrah Fawcett? Or read the book by Ann Rule, Small Sacrifices???

Diane Downs had 3 children, 2 girls and 1 boy - she met a guy who just didn't want to have kids - she was sooooo in love with this guy, she concocted a story of a guy hijaking their car on a lonely road - when in fact Diane Downs shot her own children - one died, the boy is in a wheelchair, and one daughter is permanently damaged but has since married and has a child - they were adopted by the District Attorney in the case

Diane Downs shot herself in the arm to show that they were hijacked by this guy

She had no remorse, she thought that her kids still loved her and wanted her back as thier mother - she was pregnant when she went to jail and the baby was given up for adoption

She escaped prison once, captured and put back in jail - I believe she is a woman's high secutiry prison in WA

You ought to see the movie its really good

[Sun]

12/09/2009 Transaction Assessment 5.00
12/09/2009 Counter Payment Receipt # CR-2009-05953 MEDIA (5.00)

....ok, it does look as if the media has picked something up from the Clerk of Courts. Finally.

[Tia]

Have you seen Small Sacrifices with Farrah Fawcett? Or read the book by Ann Rule, Small Sacrifices???

Diane Downs had 3 children, 2 girls and 1 boy - she met a guy who just didn't want to have kids - she was sooooo in love with this guy, she concocted a story of a guy hijaking their car on a lonely road - when in fact Diane Downs shot her own children - one died, the boy is in a wheelchair, and one daughter is permanently damaged but has since married and has a child - they were adopted by the District Attorney in the case

Diane Downs shot herself in the arm to show that they were hijacked by this guy

She had no remorse, she thought that her kids still loved her and wanted her back as thier mother - she was pregnant when she went to jail and the baby was given up for adoption

She escaped prison once, captured and put back in jail - I believe she is a woman's high secutiry prison in WA

You ought to see the movie its really good

yes. I read the book and saw the movie.

I get it now :blushing:

[TunaMelt]

You know what, I've picked your post to respond to because this thing with Lee.....remember during one of his interrogations he mentioned Product being sold; I don't remember if it was the undercover tap or his actual interview but somewhere in there he did use the word PRODUCT being sold in that park, in relation to what casey was doing there.

NOW. I've always thought there was some kind of drug connection going on here. If Casey A did make Chloro in her parents home, it's possible she also cooked up other stuff. We just don't know. IT's possible though that both knew about some dealing, what was CaseyA doing for work.

This has never been answered. Where was she going all the time, what was she doing, and where was Caylee during this time. We don't know.

The use of the word PRODUCT by Lee, showed to me a sense of someone who knew about drugs, knew about the product being sold, and knows much more than he has ever said to LE. About that laptop, and about other things.

Was Snowman BrandonSnow and listed as snowman in her address book because he was a coke dealer? I don't know. But I sure do think there is some kind of drug link, something on her computer besides PHOTOS that Lee hid for her and attempted to erase. My feeling was it was about this Product. Using the word product was such a huge elephant in the room to me. It really stood out, no one has mentioned it much any more....

But who the hell is Caylee's FATHER and WHAT was casey A doing for a living and WHERE was she for these past two years? Cindy and George A would have known she wasn't at work, and just shopping they would have known by looking at their CC statements, exactly where she was.
It would have been easy to backtrack and tell.

So, again I want to know where she was, who this child's FATHER WAS and what CaseyA was doing for a living, was she dealing, and was Lee?

Usually only dealers would use the word Product. I still think drugs are involved in this case in some way. Casey A didn't work for more than two years. Where the hell was she and what what she doing? That's what I wanna know.

That motion is the biggest joke I've ever seen. That cannot be real.
Is that a joke?

BUG

What a great post! I've had those same questions since the beginning of this whole thing, and I am sure the answers are important because none have been forthcoming, and without these answers, there's a big hole in the story, bigger than the others.

It's important, it might be key, and I want to know too.

Thanks, bug.
really good.

:thumbup:

[SandyO]

The noise was the number one thing that surprised me. Even on the Lock Up series, you can't get a good appreciation of the acoustics in those places because it's a RAW sound with all that screaming, hollering and clanging, beating off of concrete and steel. One of the gals I went to nursing school took me for a tour of SEG when I first applied there, and it almost scared me to death. I was wearing a long black skirt with a black top on and inmates were yelling, "Are you going to a funeral?" And, "Look, Johnny Cash's wife is here!" And then there were the guys whose hands you could see moving suspiciously, IYKWIM. Another surprise for me, was how much light there is 24 hours a day, especially in a SEG sitch. Count is done often twice a shift and you don't take count in a dark room. Count also takes a long time to do, so basically lights are just left on 24/7. Good times!

ETA: What inmates HATE to have is when a lockdown happens for some reason. Then NO ONE gets out of their housing for any reason, except an escort to medical. They don't get mail, go to the store, get exercise, showers, hot meals, nothing. (They get a "johnny-snack" which is usually a bologna sandwich with warm milk.) Lock downs can go on for weeks at a time, but usually only for days. It gets very tense during lock downs.

I really love these insights, Lavinya. Please keep 'em coming.

[summer]

Hey Lavinya - About Casey's flat affect in court. I've been thinking Jose was able to get her on meds, anti-depressants. Is that possible? And if so, can every inmate do the same to dull their anxiety and pain or is she just speshul.

[jamom]

Have you seen Small Sacrifices with Farrah Fawcett? Or read the book by Ann Rule, Small Sacrifices???

Diane Downs had 3 children, 2 girls and 1 boy - she met a guy who just didn't want to have kids - she was sooooo in love with this guy, she concocted a story of a guy hijaking their car on a lonely road - when in fact Diane Downs shot her own children - one died, the boy is in a wheelchair, and one daughter is permanently damaged but has since married and has a child - they were adopted by the District Attorney in the case

Diane Downs shot herself in the arm to show that they were hijacked by this guy

She had no remorse, she thought that her kids still loved her and wanted her back as thier mother - she was pregnant when she went to jail and the baby was given up for adoption

She escaped prison once, captured and put back in jail - I believe she is a woman's high secutiry prison in WA

You ought to see the movie its really good

I live in Oregon and remember so well when this happened. I was still in high school and could never listen to the song "Hungry life a wolf" again without getting the heebie jeebies. The book and movie are great and many similarities between these young mothers (ICK)!

[oswald]

I live in Oregon and remember so well when this happened. I was still in high school and could never listen to the song "Hungry life a wolf" again without getting the heebie jeebies. The book and movie are great and many similarities between these young mothers (ICK)!

I still think of this horrendous crime when I hear that song - I've read the book, and I don't read true crime cause I HATE to read about suffering of the victim and the ego of the criminal - I was floored by Diane Downs

I think this book and Helter Skelter were the only 2 true crime books I've read

Thats why I have reviewers read these books now, not me

[onlykaty]

You know what, I've picked your post to respond to because this thing with Lee.....remember during one of his interrogations he mentioned Product being sold; I don't remember if it was the undercover tap or his actual interview but somewhere in there he did use the word PRODUCT being sold in that park, in relation to what casey was doing there.

NOW. I've always thought there was some kind of drug connection going on here. If Casey A did make Chloro in her parents home, it's possible she also cooked up other stuff. We just don't know. IT's possible though that both knew about some dealing, what was CaseyA doing for work.

This has never been answered. Where was she going all the time, what was she doing, and where was Caylee during this time. We don't know.

The use of the word PRODUCT by Lee, showed to me a sense of someone who knew about drugs, knew about the product being sold, and knows much more than he has ever said to LE. About that laptop, and about other things.

Was Snowman BrandonSnow and listed as snowman in her address book because he was a coke dealer? I don't know. But I sure do think there is some kind of drug link, something on her computer besides PHOTOS that Lee hid for her and attempted to erase. My feeling was it was about this Product. Using the word product was such a huge elephant in the room to me. It really stood out, no one has mentioned it much any more....

But who the hell is Caylee's FATHER and WHAT was casey A doing for a living and WHERE was she for these past two years? Cindy and George A would have known she wasn't at work, and just shopping they would have known by looking at their CC statements, exactly where she was.
It would have been easy to backtrack and tell.

So, again I want to know where she was, who this child's FATHER WAS and what CaseyA was doing for a living, was she dealing, and was Lee?

Usually only dealers would use the word Product. I still think drugs are involved in this case in some way. Casey A didn't work for more than two years. Where the hell was she and what what she doing? That's what I wanna know.

That motion is the biggest joke I've ever seen. That cannot be real.
Is that a joke?

BUG


Maybe you have it right, I honestly think Casey made a livng by stealing. As far as Casey's days goes, when she was supposed to be working, I think she spent them on the phone and visiting a friend now and again. Lord, only knows what she did do with Caylee sometimes, it seems to me she just drug her around where ever she went,the times her parents wasn't watching her. I don't know what to think of the drug thing, you could be right but its just doesn't grab me. I wonder if any of us will ever know for sure what all Casey did.. Casey was very :sneaky:

[sydney]

I spend most of the in the corner when I'm on here..:(


I thought your post made a lot of sense.

plenty of room in the corner, so feel free to join me!

[Lavinya]

Maybe you can answer a question that I've not yet seen answered, even after I've watched all those shows. How is the laundry handled? How often do inmates have the opportunity to get clean clothes? Or how often can they get "their" clothing laundered? How often can they get a clean sheet, blanket, or pillow case (if they get these at all)?

Had to run out and shop for a bit. :tongueside:

Laundry is a big deal in prison. It's often a form of currency. You get about 2 sets of clean shirts/pants a week (in most places). Of course this will not do for a lot of inmates so laundry is one of the places that an inmate will "punk" another inmate. The "lesser" inmates, that are weak, or have no money on their accounts, or lovers, will often find themselves doing other inmates' laundry in their cell. For an inmate that still wants to be a dandy in prison, they can get a pretty good "ironing" job on their uniform by placing a uniform between the mattress and metal or concrete slab. Inmates here only get one sheet and a wool blanket. No pillow.

Inmate's are *always* hustling to try to get something a little different, for example they may say they have a wool allergy so that medical has to issue a cotton blanket. To have *anything* different than other inmates tends to be looked on as some kind of acquired status by other inmates. All shirts had to be pullover shirts and some inmates would claim reduced shoulder range to get a button up shirt from medical. All inmates had to be free of facial hair so we had to hold a weekly clipper/shave pass clinic for the inmate's who claimed to have pseudofolliculitis barbae, or "shave bumps" and 99% of them were shot down. All claims had to be verified. If they claimed to be allergic to wool, you taped a piece of wool on their back and threw them in an isolation cell to see if they indeed had a reaction. You don't take an inmate's word on *anything*. You can not trust the best inmate you have in prison. You just can't.

[onlykaty]

plenty of room in the corner, so feel free to join me!

How sweet of you to invite me, have to run to the store real quick, will be joining you momentarily. :wink:

[Lavinya]

Hey Lavinya - About Casey's flat affect in court. I've been thinking Jose was able to get her on meds, anti-depressants. Is that possible? And if so, can every inmate do the same to dull their anxiety and pain or is she just speshul.

I've been asking around to some of my old correctional nurse friends and it just *really* varies according to facility. None of them said they had ever given inmates anything for anxiety like a benzodiazapine. They do get anti-depressants in some cases. If she was going to get meds, she would probably get them at this point since she is presumed innocent and she has an active case that she needs to participate in. They don't care about you or your lawyer so much when you get to max. security, lol. Could. Not. Care. Less.

[sydney]

I've been asking around to some of my old correctional nurse friends and it just *really* varies according to facility. None of them said they had ever given inmates anything for anxiety like a benzodiazapine. They do get anti-depressants in some cases. If she was going to get meds, she would probably get them at this point since she is presumed innocent and she has an active case that she needs to participate in. They don't care about you or your lawyer so much when you get to max. security, lol. Could. Not. Care. Less.

i wonder, if she's on meds, if she could be deemed incapable of assisting in her own defense on down the road. i've heard of cases overturned when this determination was made. of course, these people seemed to be clearly psychotic or suffering from some other severe mental malady and i don't think she's on anti-psychotic stuff, but who knows if this could be an argument for appeal if the decision is unfavorable to her.....

just wondering out loud.

[summer]

I've been asking around to some of my old correctional nurse friends and it just *really* varies according to facility. None of them said they had ever given inmates anything for anxiety like a benzodiazapine. They do get anti-depressants in some cases. If she was going to get meds, she would probably get them at this point since she is presumed innocent and she has an active case that she needs to participate in. They don't care about you or your lawyer so much when you get to max. security, lol. Could. Not. Care. Less.

That makes sense. I think Jose got *his girl* on meds for the time being. She appears that way to me. Thanks, Lav!

[Sun]

Had to run out and shop for a bit. :tongueside:

Laundry is a big deal in prison. It's often a form of currency. You get about 2 sets of clean shirts/pants a week (in most places). Of course this will not do for a lot of inmates so laundry is one of the places that an inmate will "punk" another inmate. The "lesser" inmates, that are weak, or have no money on their accounts, or lovers, will often find themselves doing other inmates' laundry in their cell. For an inmate that still wants to be a dandy in prison, they can get a pretty good "ironing" job on their uniform by placing a uniform between the mattress and metal or concrete slab. Inmates here only get one sheet and a wool blanket. No pillow.

Inmate's are *always* hustling to try to get something a little different, for example they may say they have a wool allergy so that medical has to issue a cotton blanket. To have *anything* different than other inmates tends to be looked on as some kind of acquired status by other inmates. All shirts had to be pullover shirts and some inmates would claim reduced shoulder range to get a button up shirt from medical. All inmates had to be free of facial hair so we had to hold a weekly clipper/shave pass clinic for the inmate's who claimed to have pseudofolliculitis barbae, or "shave bumps" and 99% of them were shot down. All claims had to be verified. If they claimed to be allergic to wool, you taped a piece of wool on their back and threw them in an isolation cell to see if they indeed had a reaction. You don't take an inmate's word on *anything*. You can not trust the best inmate you have in prison. You just can't.

Two sets of shirts/pants a week. Whew! And, I guess that they are pretty much worn 24/7. That's not something that I'd like to try at home.

[summer]

i wonder, if she's on meds, if she could be deemed incapable of assisting in her own defense on down the road. i've heard of cases overturned when this determination was made. of course, these people seemed to be clearly psychotic or suffering from some other severe mental malady and i don't think she's on anti-psychotic stuff, but who knows if this could be an argument for appeal if the decision is unfavorable to her.....

just wondering out loud.

Hey Syd, I'm thinking just a little sumthin sumthin to keep her a bit removed from anxiety but not to cloud her thinking (anymore than it already is lol). They have drugs like that today. Of course any drug can have the opposite effect of what you want but she's probably settled on something comfy.

[cassidy]

soooo Casey lied :scared:

Casey? Lied? Now who told you THAT?

:biggrinjester:

[Lavinya]

Lavinya, your posts about her psychological state have been really really interesting.

Downright excellent, I'd say.

thanks for them,

:seeya:

It was a fascinating place to work. I often would like to go back but it changed me so profoundly, (and the stress was UNREAL!) that I know I would never do it. Every minute of every day was filled with tension on top of being a charge nurse in a place where you had to do a lot of stuff nurses don't do in the free world because we couldn't get them out of the gates for hours if something went bad wrong. I never had a Dr. work with me the shift I worked so in essence, you ARE the Dr.. It was like working in a war zone all the time, cutting inmates down who had hung themselves, sewing up severe lacerations, putting down NG tubes and charcoal for poisonings, holding inmates down who were having status epilepticus seizures for hours, mutilators, psychotics, catatonics, HIV, TB, Hep. C, cardiacs, diabetics, etc. I'm too old for all that now and I'll just watch from the sidelines now. :tongueside:

[sydney]

Hey Syd, I'm thinking just a little sumthin sumthin to keep her a bit removed from anxiety but not to cloud her thinking (anymore than it already is lol). They have drugs like that today. Of course any drug can have the opposite effect of what you want but she's probably settled on something comfy.

yeah - prolly xanax LOL

[SandyO]

Two sets of shirts/pants a week. Whew! And, I guess that they are pretty much worn 24/7. That's not something that I'd like to try at home.

I guess they don't have much chance to get 'dirty' --- I mean it's not like they're outdoors doing the gardening or anything. WHICH brings up my next question: Do Casey and the others ever get to be outside? One of my greatest pleasures in life is to putz around in my gardens, feeling the sunshine on my skin. Being denied that simple pleasure would be worse than any torture for me, personally.

[AnnieKins]

Two sets of shirts/pants a week. Whew! And, I guess that they are pretty much worn 24/7. That's not something that I'd like to try at home.

No jammies? :scared: And I've been sitting here freezing for the past ten minutes since reading that they only get ONE blanket.

(Please Lord, help me be a good old lady so I never end up in prison. Amen.)

[Sun]

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/120909anthony/1/lg/12414-12419_Page_5.htm

Doc Dump

....shocking pics of Big Trouble t-shirt on Caylee

[hello its me]

No jammies? :scared: And I've been sitting here freezing for the past ten minutes since reading that they only get ONE blanket.

(Please Lord, help me be a good old lady so I never end up in prison. Amen.)

well, if you screw up, Annie...do it in a warm climate. Like Florida. Casey will be looking for new vict.. er friends soon. :tonguewag:

[Lavinya]

i wonder, if she's on meds, if she could be deemed incapable of assisting in her own defense on down the road. i've heard of cases overturned when this determination was made. of course, these people seemed to be clearly psychotic or suffering from some other severe mental malady and i don't think she's on anti-psychotic stuff, but who knows if this could be an argument for appeal if the decision is unfavorable to her.....

just wondering out loud.

IF she is on meds, which I kind of doubt, I think it might be an anti-depressant which doesn't *usually* cloud thinking. The effect should be MUCH more subtle than an anti-psychotic, which I would bet anything I own, she's not on.

[5boxersmom]

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/120909anthony/1/lg/12414-12419_Page_5.htm

Doc Dump

....shocking pics of Big Trouble t-shirt on Caylee

Wonder what the date of the pic is and where it came from?

[Lavinya]

I guess they don't have much chance to get 'dirty' --- I mean it's not like they're outdoors doing the gardening or anything. WHICH brings up my next question: Do Casey and the others ever get to be outside? One of my greatest pleasures in life is to putz around in my gardens, feeling the sunshine on my skin. Being denied that simple pleasure would be worse than any torture for me, personally.

Oh but they do! In Texas, inmates MUST work or get discipline cases. Most of the inmates at my prison were on what they call, "hoe squads". That's a chain gang out in the field. Others worked laundry, food services, janitor type jobs or in the hospital or clinics as an SSI which is like an orderly. You must be in SEG or have a medical pass (which are VERY difficult to obtain) to get out of work. Federal has much cushier jobs and requirements.

[LadyHam]

Wonder what the date of the pic is and where it came from?

I'm wondering the same thing.

[Sun]

Wonder what the date of the pic is and where it came from?

Does my guess of Ricardo's apt sound about right? I've no clue yet as to the date of the pics.

[sydney]

Wonder what the date of the pic is and where it came from?

yeah - is this going to alleged to be zanny's apartment?

[cassidy]

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/120909anthony/1/lg/12414-12419_Page_5.htm

Doc Dump

....shocking pics of Big Trouble t-shirt on Caylee


Looks like Casey played the guitar and sang..EWWWWWWWWI!

JMO

[KTBarTheDoor]

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/120909anthony/1/lg/12414-12419_Page_5.htm

Doc Dump

....shocking pics of Big Trouble t-shirt on Caylee

Right. The shirt that according to cindy she didn't have. Umm wonder if this will also be a picture that was fixed just to look like it was Caylee in that shirt...:rolleyes:

[AnnieKins]

Right. The shirt that according to cindy she didn't have. Umm wonder if this will also be a picture that was fixed just to look like it was Caylee in that shirt...:rolleyes:

Ohhh... I missed that. Cindy said she didn't have a shirt like that? What was that in reference to?

[KTBarTheDoor]

Looks like Casey played the guitar and sang..EWWWWWWWWI!

JMO


Maybe she was trying to get the clubs to book her.... you know she was an event planner.:laugh:

[KTBarTheDoor]

Ohhh... I missed that. Cindy said she didn't have a shirt like that? What was that in reference to?

I think it was in one of the doc dumps...cant remember if it was in her depo. but she said it some where IIRC. Heck she talk so much I dont remember where she said it....

[ish]

I guess they don't have much chance to get 'dirty' --- I mean it's not like they're outdoors doing the gardening or anything. WHICH brings up my next question: Do Casey and the others ever get to be outside? One of my greatest pleasures in life is to putz around in my gardens, feeling the sunshine on my skin. Being denied that simple pleasure would be worse than any torture for me, personally.

my bold

Casey's adventures in gardening were limited to borrowing a shovel to remove some bamboo, and even that's questionable.:biggrin:

[neid_77]

so according to the water level report Caylee's remains where never sumerged under water

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-12/50978831.pdf

am i reading this right?

[really3997]

Casey? Lied? Now who told you THAT?

:biggrinjester:

I read it somewhere oh I wrote it down and then I read it:w00t: In all honestly Lying must be a prerequisit (SP) in that house...JMO

[seeing_eye]

Oh I wish you guys could work in a prison for a week. You would not believe what is waiting for the OC. That inmate's communication is SO par for the course in prisons. (Really a lot of it is sad because you can see how sick, truly mentally ill so many are.)

OMG, if Casey goes to prison, do you think she may end up writing motions for other inmates too?

BTW, Lavinya, didn't you use to have the the actual vulgar word in your sig line, or am I imagining things again??

[sydney]

Maybe she was trying to get the clubs to book her.... you know she was an event planner.:laugh:

iirc, tony said she got loaded one night and was drunk talking about how she wanted to be a singer and all.

in that picture with the "big trouble" tee shirt - could those be plastic cups full of beer alongside the sippy cup? kinda looked (to me) like a little party was goin' on.

for some reason, the image of that little sippy cup breaks my heart.

[oswald]

Whats with Casey and that horrendous smile she does - yuck!

If you notice, Casey doesn't pay too much attention to Caylee - her attention is elsewhere - and I think thats Ricardos apt, he has the drumset also

The table there looks like a party is happening but then with Casey when isn't there a party

[ish]

You know what, I've picked your post to respond to because this thing with Lee.....remember during one of his interrogations he mentioned Product being sold; I don't remember if it was the undercover tap or his actual interview but somewhere in there he did use the word PRODUCT being sold in that park, in relation to what casey was doing there.

NOW. I've always thought there was some kind of drug connection going on here. If Casey A did make Chloro in her parents home, it's possible she also cooked up other stuff. We just don't know. IT's possible though that both knew about some dealing, what was CaseyA doing for work.

This has never been answered. Where was she going all the time, what was she doing, and where was Caylee during this time. We don't know.

The use of the word PRODUCT by Lee, showed to me a sense of someone who knew about drugs, knew about the product being sold, and knows much more than he has ever said to LE. About that laptop, and about other things.

Was Snowman BrandonSnow and listed as snowman in her address book because he was a coke dealer? I don't know. But I sure do think there is some kind of drug link, something on her computer besides PHOTOS that Lee hid for her and attempted to erase. My feeling was it was about this Product. Using the word product was such a huge elephant in the room to me. It really stood out, no one has mentioned it much any more....

But who the hell is Caylee's FATHER and WHAT was casey A doing for a living and WHERE was she for these past two years? Cindy and George A would have known she wasn't at work, and just shopping they would have known by looking at their CC statements, exactly where she was.
It would have been easy to backtrack and tell.

So, again I want to know where she was, who this child's FATHER WAS and what CaseyA was doing for a living, was she dealing, and was Lee?

Usually only dealers would use the word Product. I still think drugs are involved in this case in some way. Casey A didn't work for more than two years. Where the hell was she and what what she doing? That's what I wanna know.

That motion is the biggest joke I've ever seen. That cannot be real.
Is that a joke?

BUG

my bold

Lee using the word PRODUCT in his visitation with Casey was just Lee trying to play detective. Casey just went along with him, knowing he'd be on a wild goose chase til the next visit. When he realized everything she had been feeding him was BS and got annoyed at her, she cut off her visits with him. She told Cindy and George as much, "Lee keeps asking me questions"

[oswald]

so according to the water level report Caylee's remains where never sumerged under water

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-12/50978831.pdf

am i reading this right?

They are talking about the Little Econ river I thought - this area wasn't at the Little Econ - tho at the site where Caylees remains were found there was a well and the area seemed to be dry until May of that year and then with water after

[sydney]

wow! in that fourth picture, you can really see the resemblance between kc and her mother (when she was giving her dep for the zfg case and was going off on morgan - or was it mitnik?)

[jamom]

OMG, if Casey goes to prison, do you think she may end up writing motions for other inmates too?

BTW, Lavinya, didn't you use to have the the actual vulgar word in your sig line, or am I imagining things again??

Well of course she will - she'll convince her fellow inmates that she was secretly going to law school when her family thought she was working at Universal cause she wanted to surprise them. She's got to make some money for her jail account somehow, don't ya know?

[sydney]

in the october 28, 2009 police report where they investigated what sounded like someone screaming for help, i found the following interesting:

"the wooded area was not entered by any ground units due to its thick vegetation and the fact the ground was very wet and covered in deep water in some areas."

is that the same location caylee was found?

[neid_77]

on the www.orlandosentinel.com article today they said they looked for fingerprints on the garbage found in casey's trunk the one's that where discarded by the employee AND NOTHING!!! was found..how is it that so far there are no fingerprints on ANYTHING!?!!?:confused: what did she do wipe everything down? how does so much no at least have a half print or 1 on them!

Caylee Marie:wub:

[oswald]

in the october 28, 2009 police report where they investigated what sounded like someone screaming for help, i found the following interesting:

"the wooded area was not entered by any ground units due to its thick vegetation and the fact the ground was very wet and covered in deep water in some areas."

is that the same location caylee was found?

I was wondering that too - looking at the arial photos, it looks like the school is next to the wooded area and houses on the other side - that area has a well that overflows when it rains and drains to the river on the other side of the road - at least thats what I'm reading???

[Lavinya]

OMG, if Casey goes to prison, do you think she may end up writing motions for other inmates too?

BTW, Lavinya, didn't you use to have the the actual vulgar word in your sig line, or am I imagining things again??

Why yes, I did! :sneaky: CW said that word and no variation (like the letters jumbled up) can be used on the board as in her words, "It is a vulgar word." No one can say *I'm* not an angel child. :sneaky:

ETA: BTW, Casey is more likely to be doing Loretta's laundry when she goes to the pokey.

[oswald]

Two things bother me so much about this - one when Cindy was calling 911 and Casey was asking for more time - that Casey never told anyone about Caylee missing (okay three things) AND Casey NEVER ONCE pleaded to have Caylee returned home - never said a word until I think the 3rd visit from her parents when Cindy asked.....

Okay back to the new docs :)

[really3997]

does anyone have any idea why WFTV transcripts are in these docs:confused:

[sydney]

does anyone have any idea why WFTV transcripts are in these docs:confused:

because 30 pages in a doc dump is more interesting than 15?

[Sun]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-10/49846331.pdf

For those of you interested in seeing Casey's commissary records.


(oh geesh, high, gusty winds here just now took down a huge neighbor's tree! Only about 60 ft away from where I am sitting. I hope the electric doesn't go out, as the winds are so gusty.)

[AnnieKins]

I hate to sound like a big whiny baby... but is that it? :ohmy:

[really3997]

I hate to sound like a big whiny baby... but is that it? :ohmy:

you think you would learn by know...anywho my guess is that the state wanted to point out water levels since the witnesses are going to state it was dry there...jmo guess of course..

[Spots]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-10/49846331.pdf

For those of you interested in seeing Casey's commissary records.


(oh geesh, high, gusty winds here just now took down a huge neighbor's tree! Only about 60 ft away from where I am sitting. I hope the electric doesn't go out, as the winds are so gusty.)

If she's got it, she spends it. If she hasn't got it, she spends it.

Nice to see how Cindy and George are contributing to her account, too. NOT.

Who are these kooks sending her money???

Bad storm swished through here, too. Blue skies now - go figure. Stay safe!!

[ish]

Two things bother me so much about this - one when Cindy was calling 911 and Casey was asking for more time - that Casey never told anyone about Caylee missing (okay three things) AND Casey NEVER ONCE pleaded to have Caylee returned home - never said a word until I think the 3rd visit from her parents when Cindy asked.....

Okay back to the new docs :)

Hello Oswald, Whenever Cindy would press Casey for information about Zenaida or ask if she had a message for Zanny, I always got the impression from Casey's reaction to those questions that in her mind she was thinking "WTH, why would I send a message to a fictional person? Can my mother be so gullible that she actually BELIEVES this load of horse dooty I'm spewing and if she is, why aren't the cops so easily fooled?

[SandyO]

Oh but they do! In Texas, inmates MUST work or get discipline cases. Most of the inmates at my prison were on what they call, "hoe squads". That's a chain gang out in the field. Others worked laundry, food services, janitor type jobs or in the hospital or clinics as an SSI which is like an orderly. You must be in SEG or have a medical pass (which are VERY difficult to obtain) to get out of work. Federal has much cushier jobs and requirements.

That, at least, is GOOD news!

[sydney]

Hello Oswald, Whenever Cindy would press Casey for information about Zenaida or ask if she had a message for Zanny, I always got the impression from Casey's reaction to those questions that in her mind she was thinking "WTH, why would I send a message to a fictional person? Can my mother be so gullible that she actually BELIEVES this load of horse dooty I'm spewing and if she is, why aren't the cops so easily fooled?

the response she gave to cindy's question of "what would you like to tell caylee" bugged me - kc said "that she is the most important thing. that mommy loves you very much and to be brave"

unless i am losing my mind, these sound like echos of what george and cindy said to kc. and i can't help but wonder if kc was reciting them in relation to herself, iykwim.

[5boxersmom]

Is that all the docs? I was worried my electric would go out and I would miss them. Bad winds.

[Sun]

On 8/4 George deposited $100 in Casey's account. By 8/20, Casey's balance was down to $0.06. Casey did without commissary until 9/9, after a stranger deposited $50. On 9/10, Casey made another commissary purchase, drawing her balance down to $0.24.

George dropped in another $100 on 9/17. By 10/1 Casey account had only $4.30 in it. A stranger made two deposits for $25 each. Casey made a commissary purchase on 10/7 for $11.96 and another on 10/8 for $30.29, depleting her balance to $0.05.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-10/49846331.pdf

[trich]

I do not see or understand how anyone can question the fact that Caylee's body had been under water .
There is so much evidence to proove it was.
There are expert winesses documenting facts of such also
eye witnesses that were there and can and will tell about
the flooding in the area.
For the life of me I do not see how the defense is going to get
anyone to believe that someone else threw the body where
it was found after Casey was incarcerated.
Hopefully the jurors will at least have the brains they were born with.
Again IMO it should not take much more to look at the evidence and realize there is more showing Casey's guilt then innocence.
Not to mention there is nothing to show that somebody else committed this crime.
They can dream up all the scenerios they want but where is any kind of proof it is anything but a "mother killed her own child"?

[ish]

If she's got it, she spends it. If she hasn't got it, she spends it.

Nice to see how Cindy and George are contributing to her account, too. NOT.

Who are these kooks sending her money???

Bad storm swished through here, too. Blue skies now - go figure. Stay safe!!

G & C are probably thinking "Geez the jail supports Casey on a buck fifty a day, she cost us waaayyy more than that!!"

[Dovey]

Wonder what the date of the pic is and where it came from?

Could it be Caylee's last day alive? The same day Casey murdered Caylee?

[Sun]

If she's got it, she spends it. If she hasn't got it, she spends it.

Nice to see how Cindy and George are contributing to her account, too. NOT.

Who are these kooks sending her money???

Bad storm swished through here, too. Blue skies now - go figure. Stay safe!!

Does seem like in the last few months, Casey is having cash flow difficulties.

(One and one-half trees down in less than 10 hours... both less than 100 ft from my front door) Luckily neither fell on anything, no lines down, no roads blocked. I do suspect that a family of squirrels have lost their home and will be moving out as soon as possible.

[Dovey]

Wonder what the date of the pic is and where it came from?

Could it be the last day Caylee was alive? June 15th after Casey left the Anthony house?
That would be a very big bombshell if it was taken of Caylee before her mother Casey murdered her that night after she left the A's house.

[ellegna]

Two things bother me so much about this - one when Cindy was calling 911 and Casey was asking for more time - that Casey never told anyone about Caylee missing (okay three things) AND Casey NEVER ONCE pleaded to have Caylee returned home - never said a word until I think the 3rd visit from her parents when Cindy asked.....

Okay back to the new docs :)

No one from that family made a plea for Caylee's safe return.
Look how many times G&C appeared on various talk shows before Caylee was found. I heard everything spew out of their mouths except for a passionate plea to return Caylee. It was as if they already knew :angry:

[really3997]

Does seem like in the last few months, Casey is having cash flow difficulties.

(One and one-half trees down in less than 10 hours... both less than 100 ft from my front door) Luckily neither fell on anything, no lines down, no roads blocked. I do suspect that a family of squirrels have lost their home and will be moving out as soon as possible.

But this was prior to the neg. balance the news reported correct.. I wanna know after the cruise how much money they are sending.:blink:

[Tia]

Could it be Caylee's last day alive? The same day Casey murdered Caylee?

I guess we have no clue what the date of the pics with Caylee wearing the shirt is?

[really3997]

http://www.wftv.com/news/21909754/detail.html

In there tagline it states more to come. :confused:

[Sun]

But this was prior to the neg. balance the news reported correct.. I wanna know after the cruise how much money they are sending.:blink:

be happy for what we got. :wub: (Just like you, I'd like to know too!)

Anyone remember the date that Casey's tattoo pics were released to the public?

[Spots]

I guess we have no clue what the date of the pics with Caylee wearing the shirt is?

You get some idea by looking at how long Casey's hair was, and it looks much shorter than when we first saw her live. I'd say at least 3 months before June, but that's just a guess.

[Tia]

No one from that family made a plea for Caylee's safe return.Look how many times G&C appeared on various talk shows before Caylee was found. I heard everything spew out of their mouths except for a passionate plea to return Caylee. It was as if they already knew :angry:

I totally believe they knew and the reason I believe it is because of what you just posted (bbm).

They were all too interested in their own "images" than Caylee. Too interested in insulting the searchers, etc.... I think that they knew she was dead and gone, now all they had to do was figure out how to make a buck off of her.

[really3997]

be happy for what we got. :wub: (Just like you, I'd like to know too!)

Anyone remember the date that Casey's tattoo pics were released to the public?

:cursing:nope how did RHornsby say we could get a copy. does anyone recall

[Sun]

:cursing:nope how did RHornsby say we could get a copy. does anyone recall

he provided a link, but I didn't click it.

[Spots]

he provided a link, but I didn't click it.

You probably have to trot over to the courthouse and plunk down your money.

Black sky with a rainbow!

[ish]

I guess we have no clue what the date of the pics with Caylee wearing the shirt is?

In one of the pics it looks like Caylee has a bruise under her eye. According to Ricardo she got that mark falling into a table at his apartment, not sure of the date but for some reason February sticks in my mind. I'll have to read his statement again to be sure.

[BettyC]

On 8/4 George deposited $100 in Casey's account. By 8/20, Casey's balance was down to $0.06. Casey did without commissary until 9/9, after a stranger deposited $50. On 9/10, Casey made another commissary purchase, drawing her balance down to $0.24.

George dropped in another $100 on 9/17. By 10/1 Casey account had only $4.30 in it. A stranger made two deposits for $25 each. Casey made a commissary purchase on 10/7 for $11.96 and another on 10/8 for $30.29, depleting her balance to $0.05.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-10/49846331.pdf

I didn't notice Tracey McLaughlin's name there did you Sun? Weren't we told she sent some $$ to Casey? There IS one Tracy I think with a different last name.

Re: the photos of Casey playing guitar. I don't think she plays the guitar. I think she's just playing guitar hero. That's probably what the drums were all about too that we heard about.

[ish]

wow! in that fourth picture, you can really see the resemblance between kc and her mother (when she was giving her dep for the zfg case and was going off on morgan - or was it mitnik?)

Yes, the thinner Cindy is, the more pronounced the resemblence.

[Tia]

In one of the pics it looks like Caylee has a bruise under her eye. According to Ricardo she got that mark falling into a table at his apartment, not sure of the date but for some reason February sticks in my mind. I'll have to read his statement again to be sure.

Thats right! I don't recall the date either.

Those pictures really make me sad. I will never get how a person could kill their own child. Ever.:crying:

[Dovey]

I just wonder if these photo's of Caylee were taken shortly before she was murdered by her mother Casey and this is why they were in the doc dump. I'm sure the state has the date of these photo's.

[MGM111]

Looks like Casey played the guitar and sang..EWWWWWWWWI!

JMO

Hello Cassidy,

Actually - I think what she is doing is playing a game called guitar hero. I cant image that she has any music talents what so ever - that would require practice and passion and an actual love for something other than herself.

I noticed that Caylee is wearing the shirt and what might be matching pants in several photos - and then the same shirt with black pants in another. How is it that cindy had never seen that shirt before?

[Sun]

I didn't notice Tracey McLaughlin's name there did you Sun? Weren't we told she sent some $$ to Casey? There IS one Tracy I think with a different last name.

Re: the photos of Casey playing guitar. I don't think she plays the guitar. I think she's just playing guitar hero. That's probably what the drums were all about too that we heard about.

I also noticed that, in regards to Tracey. In scanning through the names, doesn't hardly seem like much, if any, in the way of funds could have come from Tracey.

[Sun]

Hello Cassidy,

Actually - I think what she is doing is playing a game called guitar hero. I cant image that she has any music talents what so ever - that would require practice and passion and an actual love for something other than herself.

I noticed that Caylee is wearing the shirt and what might be matching pants in several photos - and then the same shirt with black pants in another. How is it that cindy had never seen that shirt before?


Is it at all possible that Cindy and George have never seen those pics of Caylee wearing that shirt? Could the photo that they provided to LE with the drum set in it, have shown Caylee wearing that t-shirt? ...I can almost hear NG now. :ohmy: