Caylee 12/04 thru 12/8

[desmom]

New day, almost 25 pages, new thread.

Brought over from yesterday's thread:

Cindy can't admit that she knows or she loses the game. Prior post.

The Sick Game of Casey vs. Cindy

I still maintain that as sick and unbelievable as it is for the majority of posters to comprehend and believe, Casey murdered Caylee to torture her mother and gain revenge against her for kicking Casey out of the house on June 15th and threatening to gain full custody of Caylee. I believe those two things occured during the reported blow up at the Anthony house on June 15th.

Casey lived for the moment. At the moment of the fight and in the subsequent hours that followed, Casey felt extremely helpless and with no control of the lives of Caylee and herself. The only way for her to gain control was to remove what Cindy was threatening to take from her (Caylee).

Casey wanted and needed Caylee to be found. That is why she dumped Caylee were she did and why the remains were found with some horrific evidence attached. It was an angry murder and disposal intended to hurt one person and one person only, her mother Cindy.

The argument to support this is Casey stating to her family that Caylee was somewhere close by, and to look in places close to home that were familiar to the family. We now know that this was a true statement (possibly the only truth Casey has uttered in this entire ordeal). Casey wanted and needed the body to be found so that Cindy would know she did it. If Caylee's body was never found Cindy would never know and Casey's revenge would be incomplete.

I believe Cindy does know Casey is guilty but will never admit to it, because by doing so she gives Casey the satisfaction of accomplishing what she originally set out to do. By Cindy not admitting publicly that Casey murdered Caylee, she leaves doubt in Casey's mind that she really knows. Casey does not want Cindy's support, she wants Cindy's suffering..... IMO ....... and the sick game continues. All my opinion.

Nighty night.

[desmom]

I agree with Eastside Joe it is a sick game between Casey and Cindy. A perfect example is Caylee's funeral/memorial. IIRC, Casey wanted a small private funeral and Caylee's remains buried. Cindy arranged a huge event and had Caylee's remains cremated.

When Casey said she feels Caylee is close, IMO, was another attempt by Casey to torment Cindy.

I tend to lean more toward BJames opinion Casey never factored in LE becoming involved.

While I agree with most of your thoughts, I have also considered another way of looking at what Casey was 'thinking'...:wink:

I really don't believe Casey ever thought that LE would get involved...Cindy has always been able to keep what has transpired in the past with that family within their own four walls.
If it had never been reported Casey would have played the 'victim' card to the hilt, even trumping Cindy...although I have no doubt they would have tangled over who was the bigger 'victim'. It would find Casey a distraction from all of her previous lies and her identity within the family, she would now be the 'poor' Casey who's daughter was 'taken'.
Was it a long term 'goal' for her? I don't see Casey making any concrete 'plans'...she seems to fly by the seat of her pants and can't even manage to skate with a lie she was just busted with 5 minutes ago.
No matter where her 'well layed plans of mice and Casey...' was meant to take her, I don't believe she ever saw a jail cell coming her way.
I still think to this day that she blames Cindy for calling LE...and even in retrospect...if Cindy had it to do over, I don't think she would have called either.
Poor little Caylee never stood a chance with these two women...may she rest in peace.


Just my opinion of course...

IMO Casey considers herself the victim.

[desmom]

I cannot imagine what it was like inside that house.

Casey has been ripping the family off for several years:

* Casey re-paid a loan (Jesse I think) with a bad check and Cindy said (paraphrasing) "well she only did it once."

* Casey stole checks from her grandmother not once, but twice.

* Casey stole a check from Lee when she was in high school. She also did not pay Lee for her car.

* Used Cindy's ccs as she pleased.

* Faked a deposit slip for her parent's account causing them to bounce checks.

Why would Cindy and George allow this to continue? We have read Cindy could not throw her granddaughter to the curb. Why not get custody? I think Shirley Plesea said Cindy could not afford the costs, but wouldn't it have been cheaper than the massive cc debt?

jmo

[desmom]

Cindy's state depo - criminal charges - page 394 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html
Cindy: I believe something happened to Caylee and I don't believe that Casey did anything to Caylee.

page 236 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel
Report of July 17, 2008 events by LE: He (George) told me that he even moved his granddaughter's playhouse and looked underneath it for evidence of foul play. The playhouse is positioned in the back yard on a deck of brick pavers.

IMO, George moving and searching under Caylee's playhouse screams volumes the family knew Casey was capable of harming Caylee.

[onlykaty]

I don't dispute for one second Cindy has enabled Casey her whole life. Where was George in all of this, he seems to get a pass for not being there. Yes, Cindy ran the household and she made the decisions, because she was the main bread winner. George should have stood up and been a man. I blame them both equally. No matter what mistakes parents make, no one makes them kill their own child. Yes, Casey should have had help a long time ago. Yes, I blame both C & G for not getting her help. At the end of the day I blame CASEY for killing Caylee, no matter how many kids in our society are brought up in a horrible dysfunctional family, they still don't kill their children. What I blame G & C for is not being there for Caylee, denying what they in their hearts what really happened to her. I know we love our children, its harrd not to be there for them no matter what. G & C, need to face reality and come to grips with the fact they were horrible parents. They both know deny deny because they don't want beleive they raised a monster..They know what they have done, they know let Caylee down, they know Casey is a product of their own making. They won't ever admit it, nor Casey ever admit what she did, but they will live with it. I know one thing for sure, in this life or in death they all will face the truth and the part they played in Caylee's death. I don't envy any of them. No amount of money is woth losing your soul. jmo

[Kathlb]

Morning, all.

I also believe it is a sick game between Casey and Cindy. Reference the jail visit where Cindy is crying and miserable and Casey can't stop laughing about it and asks her Dad.."why is she crying already" (paraphrased). She kept on smiling for awhile too watching Cindy. To me that's evidence of the coldness of Casey and the game of one_upsmanship. And the worst of it all, a baby had to be murdered to ensure a winner in the cold/mean contest. They are all so sick and mean I can hardly believe my eyes and ears.

[Scampi]

Eastside Joe is 100% correct in that analysis, imo. I also think the prosecution is going to submit a theory along those lines, one of their theories that is. The other one will be kc's wanting to lead an unencumbered single life with her lover, Lazzaro.

Murdering Caylee was killing two birds with one stone, so to speak. She hurts cynthia and frees herself to live the nightclubbing life with Lazzaro.

IMO

[desmom]

I don't dispute for one second Cindy has enabled Casey her whole life. Where was George in all of this, he seems to get a pass for not being there. Yes, Cindy ran the household and she made the decisions, because she was the main bread winner. George should have stood up and been a man. I blame them both equally. No matter what mistakes parents make, no one makes them kill their own child. Yes, Casey should have had help a long time ago. Yes, I blame both C & G for not getting her help. At the end of the day I blame CASEY for killing Caylee, no matter how many kids in our society are brought up in a horrible dysfunctional family, they still don't kill their children. What I blame G & C for is not being there for Caylee, denying what they in their hearts what really happened to her. I know we love our children, its hard not to be there for them no matter what. G & C, need to face reality and come to grips with the fact they were horrible parents. They both know deny deny because they don't want believe they raised a monster..They know what they have done, they know let Caylee down, they know Casey is a product of their own making. They won't ever admit it, nor Casey ever admit what she did, but they will live with it. I know one thing for sure, in this life or in death they all will face the truth and the part they played in Caylee's death. I don't envy any of them. No amount of money is woth losing your soul. jmo

BBM - I agree. Even children raised in the best homes can turn into monsters. I am frustrated by George and Cindy ignoring Casey's misbehavior and thefts...thefts and misbehavior dating back to high school.

A very good example is Casey's high school graduation. In "Mommy's Little Girl" by Diane Fanning, she wrote Casey's friends said it was because she quit going to class her senior year. George and Cindy said it was the school's fault Casey did not graduate. They said they only learned of it a day or two before graduation, yet they swore Cindy's parents to secrecy and held a graduation party. I don't know what kind of gifts they give in FL for h.s. graduation, but around here it is usually cards with $$. Casey didn't graduate, but was rewarded with a party and $$?

I also believe they knew Casey was not working. George went to Sports Authority and learned she was not employed there. Of course Casey had an "explanation". Casey always had some excuse why her paycheck from Kodak/Universal was late. FGS! This is a huge company. The labor board would have been all over the company if they did not do payroll on time. Cindy also checked Casey's myspace page. IIRC, that was how Cindy discovered Casey was at the Anything But Clothes Party when she was supposed to be "working". Were George and Cindy really that naive? IMO, no! They just opted to ignore it, didn't want to make waves and stuck their head in the sand instead of being parents.

How different things would have been if they called Casey on the carpet for her misdeeds.

jmo

[Sun]

Cindy's state depo - criminal charges - page 394 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html
Cindy: I believe something happened to Caylee and I don't believe that Casey did anything to Caylee.

page 236 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel
Report of July 17, 2008 events by LE: He (George) told me that he even moved his granddaughter's playhouse and looked underneath it for evidence of foul play. The playhouse is positioned in the back yard on a deck of brick pavers.
IMO, George moving and searching under Caylee's playhouse screams volumes the family knew Casey was capable of harming Caylee.

Thanks so much desmom, for posting this! I'd been wanting to review those exact words, just hadn't had the time to search around to find them.

I have always had the feeling that early on, George told many, many things to LE in order to steer them away from investigating Cindy's possible involvement in Caylee's death. As a result, what George said seemed to point investigators towards Casey.

I do believe that not only were there huge jealousy issues between Cindy and Casey, that there were also huge jealousy issues between George and Casey (over Cindy). Fatal jealousy, and Caylee became the victim. So sad.

[Holden]

I cannot imagine what it was like inside that house.

Casey has been ripping the family off for several years:

* Casey re-paid a loan (Jesse I think) with a bad check and Cindy said (paraphrasing) "well she only did it once."

* Casey stole checks from her grandmother not once, but twice.

* Casey stole a check from Lee when she was in high school. She also did not pay Lee for her car.

* Used Cindy's ccs as she pleased.

* Faked a deposit slip for her parent's account causing them to bounce checks.

Why would Cindy and George allow this to continue? We have read Cindy could not throw her granddaughter to the curb. Why not get custody? I think Shirley Plesea said Cindy could not afford the costs, but wouldn't it have been cheaper than the massive cc debt?

jmo

And....had G&C put a stop to casey's behavior, they would have had a beautiful, alive Caylee. I think this is more about how cindy perceives herself and her family. She simply could not stop casey because casey is a brat and she wouldn't have been stopped without a whole lot of chaos. cindy didn't want the world to know what was going on in that house, how she had given over control of everything - her credit cards, her checks - to casey. casey was a like a monster running that house and g&c. Some times it's easier to turn your back onthe person who is causing trouble at home, but some times, turning your back can be oh, so dangerous.:sad:

[SandyO]

There has been a lot of comment about the way Casey ignores her parents at court appearances, and I'm sure this has not escaped the attention of the defense team. Do they care, I wonder? It will be very interesting to see at this next appearance (Dec. 11th?) if Casey will have been instructed to at least direct a brief smile toward her parents when she comes into the courtroom. Don't know why this bothers me so much, but it does.

[Sun]

I cannot imagine what it was like inside that house.

Casey has been ripping the family off for several years:

* Casey re-paid a loan (Jesse I think) with a bad check and Cindy said (paraphrasing) "well she only did it once."

* Casey stole checks from her grandmother not once, but twice.

* Casey stole a check from Lee when she was in high school. She also did not pay Lee for her car.

* Used Cindy's ccs as she pleased.

* Faked a deposit slip for her parent's account causing them to bounce checks.

Why would Cindy and George allow this to continue? We have read Cindy could not throw her granddaughter to the curb. Why not get custody? I think Shirley Plesea said Cindy could not afford the costs, but wouldn't it have been cheaper than the massive cc debt?

jmo

I can add to your list.

* Ryan gave money to Casey, money that he figured she would never pay him back.

* Casey also stole a check from BLufkin (Lee's roommate).

desmom, your questions are some of the same ones that I also ask myself. Perhaps Casey learned her ways from her own parents? I wonder how much money Cindy's own parents have given her over the years?

[cassidy]

BBM - I agree. Even children raised in the best homes can turn into monsters. I am frustrated by George and Cindy ignoring Casey's misbehavior and thefts...thefts and misbehavior dating back to high school.

A very good example is Casey's high school graduation. In "Mommy's Little Girl" by Diane Fanning, she wrote Casey's friends said it was because she quit going to class her senior year. George and Cindy said it was the school's fault Casey did not graduate. They said they only learned of it a day or two before graduation, yet they swore Cindy's parents to secrecy and held a graduation party. I don't know what kind of gifts they give in FL for h.s. graduation, but around here it is usually cards with $$. Casey didn't graduate, but was rewarded with a party and $$?

I also believe they knew Casey was not working. George went to Sports Authority and learned she was not employed there. Of course Casey had an "explanation". Casey always had some excuse why her paycheck from Kodak/Universal was late. FGS! This is a huge company. The labor board would have been all over the company if they did not do payroll on time. Cindy also checked Casey's myspace page. IIRC, that was how Cindy discovered Casey was at the Anything But Clothes Party when she was supposed to be "working". Were George and Cindy really that naive? IMO, no! They just opted to ignore it, didn't want to make waves and stuck their head in the sand instead of being parents. How different things would have been if they called Casey on the carpet for her misdeeds.

jmo

And that is exactly what brought Casey to the point she is at today. Their inaction cost Caylee her life. This is an extreme example of parenting gone bad. And I do truly feel that way. Cindy & George can shoulder at least part of the blame.

JMO

[Ladygator]

There has been a lot of comment about the way Casey ignores her parents at court appearances, and I'm sure this has not escaped the attention of the defense team. Do they care, I wonder? It will be very interesting to see at this next appearance (Dec. 11th?) if Casey will have been instructed to at least direct a brief smile toward her parents when she comes into the courtroom. Don't know why this bothers me so much, but it does.

It makes Cindy and George look more pathetic when Casey ignores them. Here they are, making morons outta themselves defending her, and she thumbs her nose at them.

As for Lyon's caring about this, I guess it depends on how she is going to go about presenting mitigating factors for Casey's defense. This may be part of her plan.

[really3997]

I cannot imagine what it was like inside that house.

Casey has been ripping the family off for several years:

* Casey re-paid a loan (Jesse I think) with a bad check and Cindy said (paraphrasing) "well she only did it once."

* Casey stole checks from her grandmother not once, but twice.

* Casey stole a check from Lee when she was in high school. She also did not pay Lee for her car.

* Used Cindy's ccs as she pleased.

* Faked a deposit slip for her parent's account causing them to bounce checks.

Why would Cindy and George allow this to continue? We have read Cindy could not throw her granddaughter to the curb. Why not get custody? I think Shirley Plesea said Cindy could not afford the costs, but wouldn't it have been cheaper than the massive cc debt?

jmo

I still think they all have the gypsy mentality they just don't move once they wear out their welcome. Its ok to lie cheat steal just dont get caught and if you do play the victim. Everything is expendable except youself. Always JMO of course.

[really3997]

It makes Cindy and George look more pathetic when Casey ignores them. Here they are, making morons outta themselves defending her, and she thumbs her nose at them.

As for Lyon's caring about this, I guess it depends on how she is going to go about presenting mitigating factors for Casey's defense. This may be part of her plan.

BBM sorry to correct your grammer you added this word in error. They are just morons:tonguewag: JMO

[Sun]

The co-dependency issues that I believe Cindy to have, may have contributed to Cindy never holding Casey accountable for stealing money and CCs. I don't understand a whole lot about co-dependency though.

[SandyO]

It makes Cindy and George look more pathetic when Casey ignores them. Here they are, making morons outta themselves defending her, and she thumbs her nose at them.

As for Lyon's caring about this, I guess it depends on how she is going to go about presenting mitigating factors for Casey's defense. This may be part of her plan.

All I know for sure is that the Anthonys want to present a "united front" and they can't do that with Casey behaving as if they don't exist, for all the world to see. I think you're right in that we don't know what "front" the defense team wants to present ultimately, and so we can't answer my question. It still makes Casey look so snotty, which no doubt is accurate.

[kOOkie1]

And that is exactly what brought Casey to the point she is at today. Their inaction cost Caylee her life. This is an extreme example of parenting gone bad. And I do truly feel that way. Cindy & George can shoulder at least part of the blame.

JMO

I agree..It seems like Cindy kept ALOT of Casey's behavior from George. I guess to keep "peace" in the house. Im no Fan of George at all, imo, he didnt Man up as a Father when he even knew something was up with Casey and jobs and lies. :thumbdown:

[jessie]

New day, almost 25 pages, new thread.

Brought over from yesterday's thread: I must say I totally agree and the scary part is, it isnt scary anymore because Caylee is dead. I do think though that Caylee wasy crying for Cindy and that enraged Casey even more.

[Ladygator]

All I know for sure is that the Anthonys want to present a "united front" and they can't do that with Casey behaving as if they don't exist, for all the world to see. I think you're right in that we don't know what "front" the defense team wants to present ultimately, and so we can't answer my question. It still makes Casey look so snotty, which no doubt is accurate.

Yep, ITA, Casey is a snotty, spoiled brat. And it shows!!!

Look at her jailhouse visit with her parents. Very annoyed that her Mom is crying. "Why is she crying?" This is suppose to be about me. I'm the victim here. I have no one to comfort me!!! WAAAAA-WAAAAA-WAAAA!!!!

[really3997]

Yep, ITA, Casey is a snotty, spoiled brat. And it shows!!!

Look at her jailhouse visit with her parents. Very annoyed that her Mom is crying. "Why is she crying?" This is suppose to be about me. I'm the victim here. I have no one to comfort me!!! WAAAAA-WAAAAA-WAAAA!!!!

not to mention the reward money could have helped me. Comment:cursing:

[jessie]

I don't dispute for one second Cindy has enabled Casey her whole life. Where was George in all of this, he seems to get a pass for not being there. Yes, Cindy ran the household and she made the decisions, because she was the main bread winner. George should have stood up and been a man. I blame them both equally. No matter what mistakes parents make, no one makes them kill their own child. Yes, Casey should have had help a long time ago. Yes, I blame both C & G for not getting her help. At the end of the day I blame CASEY for killing Caylee, no matter how many kids in our society are brought up in a horrible dysfunctional family, they still don't kill their children. What I blame G & C for is not being there for Caylee, denying what they in their hearts what really happened to her. I know we love our children, its harrd not to be there for them no matter what. G & C, need to face reality and come to grips with the fact they were horrible parents. They both know deny deny because they don't want beleive they raised a monster..They know what they have done, they know let Caylee down, they know Casey is a product of their own making. They won't ever admit it, nor Casey ever admit what she did, but they will live with it. I know one thing for sure, in this life or in death they all will face the truth and the part they played in Caylee's death. I don't envy any of them. No amount of money is woth losing your soul. jmo The way they are handling the murder of Caylee is the way they handle everything in their life. They dont handle it. That is why Caylee is dead. The grandparents are responsible for the way they brought up Casey, so in a moral way they allowed Casey to murder Caylee. They will be in a mental jail forever whether they admit it or not. A higher power will see to that. Anytime you let stealing or lying or hurting animals go by without any punishment, why would you expect something worse would not happen, like murdering your child. I just think Cindy and George are the worst of the worst just like Casey. JMO

[Ladygator]

not to mention the reward money could have helped me. Comment:cursing:

"I like chili!"

Or, the missing fingers of the family comment. "I'm still here":cursing:

[really3997]

"I like chili!"

Or, the missing fingers of the family comment. "I'm still here":cursing:

You know this case is really a test of our strength as humans yes.

[mrsmcgoo]

Do we know if Cindy and George, or even Lee have seen Casey recently or at all?

TIA...trying to catch up

[really3997]

Do we know if Cindy and George, or even Lee have seen Casey recently or at all?

TIA...trying to catch up

not unless they are skyping with Jose on the side

[trich]

Eastside Joe is 100% correct in that analysis, imo. I also think the prosecution is going to submit a theory along those lines, one of their theories that is. The other one will be kc's wanting to lead an unencumbered single life with her lover, Lazzaro.

Murdering Caylee was killing two birds with one stone, so to speak. She hurts cynthia and frees herself to live the nightclubbing life with Lazzaro.

IMO

You know I am one that I guess did not want to admit :
that Casey killed Caylee to "get back at Cindy" but
while it does sound logical as well as horrific it may have also
finally hit Casey that Cindy was not going to indulge her any more and put up with the stealing and lying etc. Life as she knew it was going
to end.
I think the most prolific statement I have heard yet about this case is what Shirley said "Casey hated Cindy more then she loved Caylee"

What I do not understand is Cindy's lying for Casey now... does she really think she can make the murder of her grandaughter go away?

[Ladygator]

not unless they are skyping with Jose on the side

:lol:

Yes, can't let vids of fist pounding Casey get released to the media.

Gosh, wonder what the interviews would look like today, if they happened. It's been a long time since we seen communication between the princess and her parents.

[really3997]

:lol:

Yes, can't let vids of fist pounding Casey get released to the media.

Gosh, wonder what the interviews would look like today, if they happened. It's been a long time since we seen communication between the princess and her parents.

Yes I might even pay for it on pay per view:thumbsup:

[mrsmcgoo]

not unless they are skyping with Jose on the side

Thanks for the quick reply!

Makes me think that with them taping the visits, actions and words could lead to new evidence so they are staying away.

JMO

[really3997]

Thanks for the quick reply!

Makes me think that with them taping the visits, actions and words could lead to new evidence so they are staying away.

JMO

Yeah, I haven't had a file in 72 min sorry. Honestly I dont think that we can handle any more new evidence there seems to be no short supply. JMO

[FindAnswers]

You know I am one that I guess did not want to admit :
that Casey killed Caylee to "get back at Cindy" but
while it does sound logical as well as horrific it may have also
finally hit Casey that Cindy was not going to indulge her any more and put up with the stealing and lying etc. Life as she knew it was going
to end.
I think the most prolific statement I have heard yet about this case is what Shirley said "Casey hated Cindy more then she loved Caylee"

What I do not understand is Cindy's lying for Casey now... does she really think she can make the murder of her grandaughter go away?

I think the FBI agent that was interviewing George Anthony stated it best. Cindy wanted the perception that she had a good family and everything and now it was all falling apart. I don't remember his exact words but he described it very well.

I believe they all knew Caylee was definitely dead in October 2008. I know they had gut feelings and suspicions the day they picked up the car at the tow yard but they knew for fact in October. I believe that is when Casey confessed to Baez or someone.

In October your have Baez
"Casey's attorney has filed a request for Casey to be able to visit undisclosed areas without the media following her - so that she can perhaps help find her missing daughter."
In October you have.
"It's very difficult," spokesman Todd Black was quoted as saying by the Sentinel. "This is a serious case involving not just the loss of the life of this little girl, but the loss of whatever is going to happen with Casey Anthony."
In October you have.
"According to authorities, there was a strand of hair confirmed to be from a decomposing body. Police retireved two hair strands, one from a brush belonging to little Caylee, and a strand from the trunk, describing them as "microscopically similar". Air samples were also taken and prove there was a decomposing body in the trunk of Casey's car."
In November you have.
Hoover and DCasey searching in the area near where the remains were ultimately found. You have someone telling them that if they find Caylee's remains not to call 911. 5 days later Mark Nejame quits working for the Anthonys.

I believe Casey was willing to lead them to the body in October 2008 but Baez's request for her to search in undeclosed locations was denied.

[Ladygator]

FYI for those who followed, a Sarasota Judge will give great weight to the jury's recommendation of death in the Michael King case today at 2pm.

[Sun]

I think the FBI agent that was interviewing George Anthony stated it best. Cindy wanted the perception that she had a good family and everything and now it was all falling apart. I don't remember his exact words but he described it very well.

-snip-

I believe Casey was willing to lead them to the body in October 2008 but Baez's request for her to search in undeclosed locations was denied.

Scott Bolin was the FBI agent, and he did seem to me to have a very good grasp of the situation. Quite the professional!

I suspect that Baez was unwilling to allow Casey to reveal the whereabouts of Caylee's remains, but did want to know for himself if Casey was lying to him about the location? DCasey and Baez met with Casey in the jail on August 8, 2008.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/8/14/parents_to_visit_casey_anthony.html

Private Investigators Visit Casey
Friday, August 15, 2008 5:26:38 PM

ORLANDO -- While most of Casey Anthony's visitors have either been family members or her attorney, News 13 has uncovered two other men, who visited her behind bars, are actually private investigators.

Jail records show on July 25, Casey got a visit from Edward Phlegar, who is an investigator for her attorney Jose Baez's law firm.

Casey Dominic, another private investigator for Baez, visited Casey on Aug. 8.

News 13 tried to get a comment Thursday from Baez about what his private investigators might be doing on the case. However, our requests for interviews were declined.

[really3997]

Scott Bolin was the FBI agent, and he did seem to me to have a very good grasp of the situation. Quite the professional!

I suspect that Baez was unwilling to allow Casey to reveal the whereabouts of Caylee's remains, but did want to know for himself if Casey was lying to him about the location? DCasey and Baez met with Casey in the jail on August 8, 2008.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/8/14/parents_to_visit_casey_anthony.html

Private Investigators Visit Casey
Friday, August 15, 2008 5:26:38 PM

ORLANDO -- While most of Casey Anthony's visitors have either been family members or her attorney, News 13 has uncovered two other men, who visited her behind bars, are actually private investigators.

Jail records show on July 25, Casey got a visit from Edward Phlegar, who is an investigator for her attorney Jose Baez's law firm.

Casey Dominic, another private investigator for Baez, visited Casey on Aug. 8.

News 13 tried to get a comment Thursday from Baez about what his private investigators might be doing on the case. However, our requests for interviews were declined.

The million dollar questions still remains what where they going to do if they found Caylee.

[Sun]

The million dollar questions still remains what where they going to do if they found Caylee.

DCasey would most likely know, maybe? He sure is fighting his deposition.

[really3997]

DCasey would most likely know, maybe? He sure is fighting his deposition.

And is this the norm for a defense attorney to locate the body of the person whom is client is accused of killing:confused:

[really3997]

http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/

not sure if this has been posted yet

[Sun]

And is this the norm for a defense attorney to locate the body of the person whom is client is accused of killing:confused:

I sure wouldn't think so. But then again, I don't tend to think of Baez as a normal attorney either. :tonguewag:

[oswald]

With the long list of people that Casey stole from lets not forget

the check from her grandmother - I believe 2 of them - one for Caylees bday and one for a phone

checks from her grandfathers rest home

Casey stole money from Caylee's piggy bank, per George AND she took out all the life insurance money George and Cindy started - that was the Gerbers Life Insurance that all new mothers get the card when they leave the hospital

She stole from Amy before the checks, remember Amy testified that they all partied together and when she woke up $400 was gone and Casey said that the night before Amy spent it, but Amy knew she hadn't but then why would Casey lie to her, so she went with it

She took money from George and Cindy's bank account and when she said she was going to pay them back, Casey forged a deposit slip

She used Cindy's credit cards constantly - we have yet to see credit card statements

This is how Cindy and George almost went bankrupt, because when they would deposit money, paychecks, it was always gone - we haven't heard yet about checks bouncing

That is just a few of course we don't know of all, not yet

Cindy and George never made Casey responsible for her actions - from Cindy begging her mother not to press charges on Casey for stealing from her grandfather to ignoring her pregnancy

I still think killing Caylee was an accident when it happened - then when she knew she couldn't do anything about it the kidnapping theory was born, and thats when the duct tape went on - thats why she never told anyone that Caylee was missing because she knew what she had done and when she had to FINALLY come clean she would do the kidnapping theory

What Casey did not expect, like others have said, is for Cindy to call LE, because her parents had seemed to cover for her throughout her life, she thought this would be no different - when LE got involved I'm sure Casey was expecting them to believe the stories she told and she would be felt sorry for, the poor single mom with the missing child, and Casey would go on with life without the responsibility

Thats how I see it has happening at the beginning - NOW tho Casey's lies and thefts and her pure betrayal of family and friends has mostly come out and I seriously don't see any comeback from it - if Casey wants total sympathy? Maybe she ought to come out with a bible and read and pray during court - like the runaway did - I'm not saying the runaway in FL was fake, I don't believe it at all - but criminals want sympathy, right? They always find God behind bars

[Dunlurken]

Re. shopping addiction, it's amazing what some people will go through to try and keep their grandchild safe. In Caylee's case, it didn't work. Let this be a lesson to everyone. JMO.

[Sun]

12/04/2009 Response State's; to Defendant's Motion to Dismiss Counts 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 8, 10, 11, 13 for Violation of Double Jeopardy Clause

Here is the latest entry on the Clerk of Courts records, for the criminal check/fraud case

[summer]

I don't dispute for one second Cindy has enabled Casey her whole life. Where was George in all of this, he seems to get a pass for not being there. Yes, Cindy ran the household and she made the decisions, because she was the main bread winner. George should have stood up and been a man. I blame them both equally. No matter what mistakes parents make, no one makes them kill their own child. Yes, Casey should have had help a long time ago. Yes, I blame both C & G for not getting her help. At the end of the day I blame CASEY for killing Caylee, no matter how many kids in our society are brought up in a horrible dysfunctional family, they still don't kill their children. What I blame G & C for is not being there for Caylee, denying what they in their hearts what really happened to her. I know we love our children, its harrd not to be there for them no matter what. G & C, need to face reality and come to grips with the fact they were horrible parents. They both know deny deny because they don't want beleive they raised a monster..They know what they have done, they know let Caylee down, they know Casey is a product of their own making. They won't ever admit it, nor Casey ever admit what she did, but they will live with it. I know one thing for sure, in this life or in death they all will face the truth and the part they played in Caylee's death. I don't envy any of them. No amount of money is woth losing your soul. jmo

Here's the way I see it. "With great power comes great responsibility". George was a ghost in that house long before Caylee was born. Cindy wore the pants and wielded the HAMMER for a long time in that relationship. George doesn't count and he knew it. He was an emotionally battered weak man. George is out. He disgusts me because of his weakness but I lay blame on Cindy because she controlled the roost.

I don't think Cindy is the only parent who raised a child as she did. There are millions of spoiled children in the world who don't murder. Of course in my mind Casey wasn't spoiled as much as she was harmed, twisted and manipulated for Cindy's sick purposes. On the face of it Casey got away with a lot of bad behavior but she paid the price and more. She was abused in my opinion. But that's another side story altogether.

It's okay to have a rotten egg and live with it all your life if you choose but it's NOT okay when there's a baby involved.

IMO Cindy did boot Casey out of the house that day, perhaps in a fit of rage herself -- so selfish she is that she forgot she was also booting Caylee out. Doesn't matter, Casey had been neglecting and harming Caylee since she was born and it got worse when the free babysitting services stopped. Cindy should have protected that baby from birth.

The Anthonys are not in denial. They know Caylee is dead and they know who did it. I fault Cindy for obstructing justice, lying, tampering and worst of all, blaming other people's children for the crime. I can see Cindy sleeping well at night as Jesse Grund or Amy or Kronk sit in jail for this crime.

IMO she's a monster plain and simple. So yes, I blame her because George is a waste of space.

[minimarshm]

With the long list of people that Casey stole from lets not forget

the check from her grandmother - I believe 2 of them - one for Caylees bday and one for a phone

checks from her grandfathers rest home

Casey stole money from Caylee's piggy bank, per George AND she took out all the life insurance money George and Cindy started - that was the Gerbers Life Insurance that all new mothers get the card when they leave the hospital

She stole from Amy before the checks, remember Amy testified that they all partied together and when she woke up $400 was gone and Casey said that the night before Amy spent it, but Amy knew she hadn't but then why would Casey lie to her, so she went with it

She took money from George and Cindy's bank account and when she said she was going to pay them back, Casey forged a deposit slip

She used Cindy's credit cards constantly - we have yet to see credit card statements

This is how Cindy and George almost went bankrupt, because when they would deposit money, paychecks, it was always gone - we haven't heard yet about checks bouncing

That is just a few of course we don't know of all, not yet





wasn't there missing $ at TonE's apt too? a roomate or TonE was missing $


I could be wrong, if I am please correct me.

[bugout]

So, do you all think that IS is gearing up for coverage of the hearing for CA next week? I've been curious as to their choices of canned trials, what live trial is coming down the pike besides this one?

Bug

BTW, Amy not only was stolen from that night, she also woke up dressed in another pair of pants that she was not wearing....I think that Casey may have drugged her, I've also thought this.

[Dunlurken]

The Anthonys are not in denial. They know Caylee is dead and they know who did it. I fault Cindy for obstructing justice, lying, tampering and worst of all, blaming other people's children for the crime. I can see Cindy sleeping well at night as Jesse Grund or Amy or Kronk sit in jail for this crime.

IMO she's a monster plain and simple. So yes, I blame her because George is a waste of space.


snipped to address: You blame Cindy or Casey? And yes, George is just taking up air.

[Scampi]

12/04/2009 Response State's; to Defendant's Motion to Dismiss Counts 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 8, 10, 11, 13 for Violation of Double Jeopardy Clause

Here is the latest entry on the Clerk of Courts records, for the criminal check/fraud case

Christmas has come early for us. I cannot wait to hear Jeff and Linda's response to the defense's "motions."

Post them when they're up Sunnie and thank you for this.


:thumbup:

[snowflakes]

Knowing Casey as we now do, I'll never understand why she didn't choose to have an abortion.

[Dunlurken]

Knowing Casey as we now do, I'll never understand why she didn't choose to have an abortion.

Cindy said no, if you believe Cindy. Where's the damm shrugging icon? We need our original icons back. I know they are there, but they take 4-ever! JMO.

[summer]

snipped to address: You blame Cindy or Casey? And yes, George is just taking up air.

Hey Dunnie. Yes, I blame Casey first. As horrible as I think her life was, many children have it much worse, obviously. I was basically responding to the question as to why so many people don't lay equal blame on Cindy and George when the question comes up about parenting and the coverup after the crime. That was my basic point.

Casey is to blame for Caylee's death. There's no excuse for it. But the behavior of the family after the murder I put solely at Cindy's feet. She is the mastermind and it is she who must be obeyed, IMO. And we see the result of that.

[summer]

Knowing Casey as we now do, I'll never understand why she didn't choose to have an abortion.

Exactly. So she was not the rebel as she'd like the world to believe. She was under mommy's spell just like the rest of the family. Heck, I went out and had an abortion when I was 17 and never told my mom. It was my business and it was my life.

But I never forged checks or lied about having a job or murdered anyone.

[Scampi]

http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/

not sure if this has been posted yet

Thank you for posting this, Mark Nejame is one classy attorney and handled this is an appropriate manner. I'm glad we have this letter, it really shows how dishonest this defense team is.........again, imo.

[Spots]

Knowing Casey as we now do, I'll never understand why she didn't choose to have an abortion.

It's the Scarlett O'Hara Syndrome: Oh, fiddle-dee-dee! I'll deal with that tomorrow.

Surprise! Too late now.

[minimarshm]

Hey Dunnie. Yes, I blame Casey first. As horrible as I think her life was, many children have it much worse, obviously. I was basically responding to the question as to why so many people don't lay equal blame on Cindy and George when the question comes up about parenting and the coverup after the crime. That was my basic point.

Casey is to blame for Caylee's death. There's no excuse for it. But the behavior of the family after the murder I put solely at Cindy's feet. She is the mastermind and it is she who must be obeyed, IMO. And we see the result of that.




I kind of agree.
Casey is utmost at fault, no upbringing good or bad is justification for murder. She led a privileged life in Anthonyland. She got what she wanted and stole what she didn't get. She was princess second only to the Queen but she knew right from wrong and she knows murder is murder. She deserves punishment for the crimes she's copmmited.

Cindy didn't make Casey kill but she shaped Casey into the selfcentered, selfish person she is. Not punishable because she committed no crimes in raising Casey but if Cindy committed any crimes after the murder then she too deserves and should get punishment.

George, well I married a George once. He liked being bossed around because then he could blame everyone else and make excuses for everything he did wrong. Nothing was ever his fault because he played the weak man. George let Cindy boss him around and verbally castrate him, he chose that route it was not forced on him. If George broke anty laws he too deserves punishment.

[Steps]

FYI for those who followed, a Sarasota Judge will give great weight to the jury's recommendation of death in the Michael King case today at 2pm.

Thanks, Ladygator! I followed that trail and will be checking in on that board!

[trich]

Last night I was watching "the secret lives of women" on the WE channel. The topic was shopping addictions.

There was this one young girl of about 19 or so. Lived at home with mom, dad and two siblings. Mom and dad both lost jobs. Dad and brother both diagnosed with cancer. Money is beyond tight to say the least. But the daughter goes out and spends hundreds every week on boots, clothes and makeup. No, she does not have a job.

Mom is stressed out and scared that the family will lose everything due to her kids shopping addiction. Mom cries on film "I don't know what we will do." Tragic story......

BUT

Where is the kid getting the money to fuel her shopping addiction?

From the credit card mom gave her. She says only for gas and emergencies, but the kid keeps abusing it over and over. Mom takes the card. Then they talk. And the mom keeps giving it BACK to the kid. What the heck????? I couldn't believe it. The mom is risking her entire family because she does not have the backbone to take away one credit card.

I am amazed at people sometimes.......

MOO

I find it very hard to even have sympathy with someone like that.
If you can fix something and you don't then you should not complain.
Why does the kid need money for gas or emergincies if she does not have a job.....that does not make any sense.
Why are some parents
so afraid to be firm with their kids.....
If she is supposedly looking for a job ....just put enough gas in the car for that or drive her to interviews yourself.

[trich]

I kind of agree.
Casey is utmost at fault, no upbringing good or bad is justification for murder. She led a privileged life in Anthonyland. She got what she wanted and stole what she didn't get. She was princess second only to the Queen but she knew right from wrong and she knows murder is murder. She deserves punishment for the crimes she's copmmited.

Cindy didn't make Casey kill but she shaped Casey into the selfcentered, selfish person she is. Not punishable because she committed no crimes in raising Casey but if Cindy committed any crimes after the murder then she too deserves and should get punishment.

George, well I married a George once. He liked being bossed around because then he could blame everyone else and make excuses for everything he did wrong. Nothing was ever his fault because he played the weak man. George let Cindy boss him around and verbally castrate him, he chose that route it was not forced on him. If George broke anty laws he too deserves punishment.

Oh I agree....George is a grown man....he chose to live the way he has been living.
I have no compassion for him ....he has lied and lied just as much as
Cindy and Lee has.
They all made their own choices and now they have to live with them.

[really3997]

I kind of agree.
Casey is utmost at fault, no upbringing good or bad is justification for murder. She led a privileged life in Anthonyland. She got what she wanted and stole what she didn't get. She was princess second only to the Queen but she knew right from wrong and she knows murder is murder. She deserves punishment for the crimes she's copmmited.

Cindy didn't make Casey kill but she shaped Casey into the selfcentered, selfish person she is. Not punishable because she committed no crimes in raising Casey but if Cindy committed any crimes after the murder then she too deserves and should get punishment.

George, well I married a George once. He liked being bossed around because then he could blame everyone else and make excuses for everything he did wrong. Nothing was ever his fault because he played the weak man. George let Cindy boss him around and verbally castrate him, he chose that route it was not forced on him. If George broke anty laws he too deserves punishment.

BBM I agree with everything you stated except Casey THOUGHT she was a princess and Cindy THOUGHT she was a queen. Royalty has class and well them not so much. But you are right that entire family deserves every aspect of punishment that comes their way. They are everything I teach my children not to be.:cursing:

[SandyO]

Knowing Casey as we now do, I'll never understand why she didn't choose to have an abortion.

I think it's the same old Casey. She lives in the moment, and apparently has very little ability to think ahead.

[Dunlurken]

Hey Dunnie. Yes, I blame Casey first. As horrible as I think her life was, many children have it much worse, obviously. I was basically responding to the question as to why so many people don't lay equal blame on Cindy and George when the question comes up about parenting and the coverup after the crime. That was my basic point.

Casey is to blame for Caylee's death. There's no excuse for it. But the behavior of the family after the murder I put solely at Cindy's feet. She is the mastermind and it is she who must be obeyed, IMO. And we see the result of that.

I will agree with you on that one. Cindy "could" be charged with obstruction of justice. However, I'm not sure they have enough proof to charge they obstructed justice. Only time will tell. Prosecution needs their testimony in court. Maybe down the road? I highly doubt it though. JMO.

[EverMoth]

[QUOTE=minimarshm;13691441]

Cindy didn't make Casey kill but she shaped Casey into the selfcentered, selfish person she is. Not punishable because she committed no crimes in raising Casey but if Cindy committed any crimes after the murder then she too deserves and should get punishment.
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This will, imo, be the tactic Herr Lyons employs to save Casey from the DP.

[ladeebug565]

And....had G&C put a stop to casey's behavior, they would have had a beautiful, alive Caylee. I think this is more about how cindy perceives herself and her family. She simply could not stop casey because casey is a brat and she wouldn't have been stopped without a whole lot of chaos. cindy didn't want the world to know what was going on in that house, how she had given over control of everything - her credit cards, her checks - to casey. casey was a like a monster running that house and g&c. Some times it's easier to turn your back onthe person who is causing trouble at home, but some times, turning your back can be oh, so dangerous.:sad:

Cindy herself went to therapy and was advised to kick Casey out of the house. After all the years of lying, stealing, dropping out, Cindy decides that it was time for someone to give her advice on how to get her house in order. She knew full well that Casey wasn't working and yet may have thrown her out of the house after the fight. Casey dragged Caylee along out of spite. These few words, if spoken by Cindy, could've changed everything for Caylee when Casey was storming out: "not in my car you don't!". The car never belonged to Casey and therefore was the perfect tool for gaining control of a daughter run amuck.

I have a 22 year old daughter that lives at home. I own the car she drives. I know she works because I have been to her places of employment. I have met her coworkers and bosses. She pays me weekly for her car/insurance/cell phone/student loans. We are concerned about her tax filings, so we have our accountant prepare my daughter's return when he does ours. We have discussed the employee benefits being offered by employers.

If I was in the same situation as Cindy and my lying, thieving, untrustworthy, drop-out daughter was running into the night in a fit of rage with a young child in tow, I could stop the situation instantly with the words: "not in my car, you don't".

[summer]

I kind of agree.
Casey is utmost at fault, no upbringing good or bad is justification for murder. She led a privileged life in Anthonyland. She got what she wanted and stole what she didn't get. She was princess second only to the Queen but she knew right from wrong and she knows murder is murder. She deserves punishment for the crimes she's copmmited.

Cindy didn't make Casey kill but she shaped Casey into the selfcentered, selfish person she is. Not punishable because she committed no crimes in raising Casey but if Cindy committed any crimes after the murder then she too deserves and should get punishment.

George, well I married a George once. He liked being bossed around because then he could blame everyone else and make excuses for everything he did wrong. Nothing was ever his fault because he played the weak man. George let Cindy boss him around and verbally castrate him, he chose that route it was not forced on him. If George broke anty laws he too deserves punishment.

ITA. I'd love to see George in prison right along with his horrible wife and tubesock son. I don't see him as the leader of the pack but I do see him as guilty of many crimes after the fact.

I have no pity for him whatsoever, I just think Cindy was the Machiavellian character in that family set-up.

[summer]

Cindy herself went to therapy and was advised to kick Casey out of the house. After all the years of lying, stealing, dropping out, Cindy decides that it was time for someone to give her advice on how to get her house in order. She knew full well that Casey wasn't working and yet may have thrown her out of the house after the fight. Casey dragged Caylee along out of spite. These few words, if spoken by Cindy, could've changed everything for Caylee when Casey was storming out: "not in my car you don't!". The car never belonged to Casey and therefore was the perfect tool for gaining control of a daughter run amuck.

I have a 22 year old daughter that lives at home. I own the car she drives. I know she works because I have been to her places of employment. I have met her coworkers and bosses. She pays me weekly for her car/insurance/cell phone/student loans. We are concerned about her tax filings, so we have our accountant prepare my daughter's return when he does ours. We have discussed the employee benefits being offered by employers.

If I was in the same situation as Cindy and my lying, thieving, untrustworthy, drop-out daughter was running into the night in a fit of rage with a young child in tow, I could stop the situation instantly with the words: "not in my car, you don't".

Great point. If Cindy had reported a stolen car the minute Casey walked out of that house with Caylee we might not be talking about this today. Of course I'm in the camp that Caylee was killed out of the house, in the car most likely. If she was killed in the house and Casey wrapped her in a blanket and rushed out then the murder would've happened regardless. But waiting a month? After what was most likely a highly charged argument with her psycho daughter? Who dragged little Caylee out of there when Cindy knew she had no means or interest in taking care of her? Crazy.

[trich]

Cindy herself went to therapy and was advised to kick Casey out of the house. After all the years of lying, stealing, dropping out, Cindy decides that it was time for someone to give her advice on how to get her house in order. She knew full well that Casey wasn't working and yet may have thrown her out of the house after the fight. Casey dragged Caylee along out of spite. These few words, if spoken by Cindy, could've changed everything for Caylee when Casey was storming out: "not in my car you don't!". The car never belonged to Casey and therefore was the perfect tool for gaining control of a daughter run amuck.

I have a 22 year old daughter that lives at home. I own the car she drives. I know she works because I have been to her places of employment. I have met her coworkers and bosses. She pays me weekly for her car/insurance/cell phone/student loans. We are concerned about her tax filings, so we have our accountant prepare my daughter's return when he does ours. We have discussed the employee benefits being offered by employers.

If I was in the same situation as Cindy and my lying, thieving, untrustworthy, drop-out daughter was running into the night in a fit of rage with a young child in tow, I could stop the situation instantly with the words: "not in my car, you don't".

I believe too many parents are too busy or too unconcerned to take that active part in their adult childrens lives even though they might live at home.

My grown grandchildren still living at home with their parents , going to school and working still have to answer to their parents(my daughter and son in law).
But I have found out that many parents feel their kids should be able to take care of themselves financially when they graduate from HS.
I think they just want to be done with them emotionaly and financially.
I find that attitude appalling...it is hard enough to find a good job today without some kind of skills or further education.
My daughter has actually let some of these kids sleep and eat and bath in her home because they have no place to go .
IMO a mom is a mom and it never stops while still a breath in our bodies.
It is our duty and responsibility to teach principles first and foremost
"DO THE RIGHT THING" has been the mantra in this family.
Oh and all my grandkids' cars are in my daughter's name also....she told the ones going to school will get said vehicle in their name once they have their degree and until the working one pays his truck off it will stay in my daughters name.
It is not easy to be a parent but you gotta want to do the job right to start with.
Cindy never wanted to take the time or the bother to make Casey DO THE RIGHT THING.
Look at the result!

[Scampi]

Cindy herself went to therapy and was advised to kick Casey out of the house. After all the years of lying, stealing, dropping out, Cindy decides that it was time for someone to give her advice on how to get her house in order. She knew full well that Casey wasn't working and yet may have thrown her out of the house after the fight. Casey dragged Caylee along out of spite. These few words, if spoken by Cindy, could've changed everything for Caylee when Casey was storming out: "not in my car you don't!". The car never belonged to Casey and therefore was the perfect tool for gaining control of a daughter run amuck.

I have a 22 year old daughter that lives at home. I own the car she drives. I know she works because I have been to her places of employment. I have met her coworkers and bosses. She pays me weekly for her car/insurance/cell phone/student loans. We are concerned about her tax filings, so we have our accountant prepare my daughter's return when he does ours. We have discussed the employee benefits being offered by employers.

If I was in the same situation as Cindy and my lying, thieving, untrustworthy, drop-out daughter was running into the night in a fit of rage with a young child in tow, I could stop the situation instantly with the words: "not in my car, you don't".

I totally agree with you and said it in the beginning of this case. Had they only taken the car keys from kc anthony, Caylee would still be alive. I firmly believe that.

[SayWhen]

<snipped to address>

IMO, George moving and searching under Caylee's playhouse screams volumes the family knew Casey was capable of harming Caylee.

I've been saying this since Day 32. And used to take regular beatings for it, too. :sneaky:

[Spots]

Something new, even if it's only a review of recent events:

Trials and Tribulations (http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/)

[SayWhen]

And that is exactly what brought Casey to the point she is at today. Their inaction cost Caylee her life. This is an extreme example of parenting gone bad. And I do truly feel that way. Cindy & George can shoulder at least part of the blame.

JMO

It really was all about the game. The game was to simply catch Casey in her lies. If they caught her, they won that round of the game. That's Anthony parenting, in a nutshell. Boggles the mind.

[oswald]

I own the car my youngest daughter drives too - I have also been to places of employment, etc. My older daughter who lives at home pays me for phone and rent - my youngest daughter, phone and car insurance - if something goes unpaid, it gets taken away

Cindy did say that Casey stole the car when she called the police the first time - she just never followed through with Casey when she was found - I'm sure there were threats and arguements - never any follow through

Today, Dr. Phil is doing a show on narcissist children of today - could be enlightening

[SayWhen]

http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/

not sure if this has been posted yet

I love that Mark NeJame fella. :wub:

[SayWhen]

Last night I was watching "the secret lives of women" on the WE channel. The topic was shopping addictions.

There was this one young girl of about 19 or so. Lived at home with mom, dad and two siblings. Mom and dad both lost jobs. Dad and brother both diagnosed with cancer. Money is beyond tight to say the least. But the daughter goes out and spends hundreds every week on boots, clothes and makeup. No, she does not have a job.

Mom is stressed out and scared that the family will lose everything due to her kids shopping addiction. Mom cries on film "I don't know what we will do." Tragic story......

BUT

Where is the kid getting the money to fuel her shopping addiction?

From the credit card mom gave her. She says only for gas and emergencies, but the kid keeps abusing it over and over. Mom takes the card. Then they talk. And the mom keeps giving it BACK to the kid. What the heck????? I couldn't believe it. The mom is risking her entire family because she does not have the backbone to take away one credit card.

I am amazed at people sometimes.......

MOO

I had People's Court on in the background this morning while I was doing some cleaning, and Judge Marilyn Milian went on a short rant about how different children are raised these days.

She said when she was growing up (and she's not old by a long shot), parents raised their children to be self-sufficient. We understood we couldn't watch anything on that 37" TV until we were able to earn enough to buy it for ourselves, not on credit, and not instead of paying the mortgage that month.

Today, children are raised not to want for anything. We're creating dependent imbeciles.

All paraphrased. But I got it, and she's right, imo.

[Spots]

I love that Mark NeJame fella. :wub:

The only demerit I give him is the baby butt thing. He's a class act - but I can't get that butt out of my mind. Who would want that hanging on your wall? Would you want to be that daughter in about 10 years and invite your friends over?

But other than that, he's a gem.

[FindAnswers]

I love that Mark NeJame fella. :wub:

Hi Say. I do too. He seems to be a very ethical man with morals and standards unlike some other defense attorneys.

[SayWhen]

Here's the way I see it. "With great power comes great responsibility". George was a ghost in that house long before Caylee was born. Cindy wore the pants and wielded the HAMMER for a long time in that relationship. George doesn't count and he knew it. He was an emotionally battered weak man. George is out. He disgusts me because of his weakness but I lay blame on Cindy because she controlled the roost.

I don't think Cindy is the only parent who raised a child as she did. There are millions of spoiled children in the world who don't murder. Of course in my mind Casey wasn't spoiled as much as she was harmed, twisted and manipulated for Cindy's sick purposes. On the face of it Casey got away with a lot of bad behavior but she paid the price and more. She was abused in my opinion. But that's another side story altogether.

It's okay to have a rotten egg and live with it all your life if you choose but it's NOT okay when there's a baby involved.

IMO Cindy did boot Casey out of the house that day, perhaps in a fit of rage herself -- so selfish she is that she forgot she was also booting Caylee out. Doesn't matter, Casey had been neglecting and harming Caylee since she was born and it got worse when the free babysitting services stopped. Cindy should have protected that baby from birth.

The Anthonys are not in denial. They know Caylee is dead and they know who did it. I fault Cindy for obstructing justice, lying, tampering and worst of all, blaming other people's children for the crime. I can see Cindy sleeping well at night as Jesse Grund or Amy or Kronk sit in jail for this crime.

IMO she's a monster plain and simple. So yes, I blame her because George is a waste of space.

Oh, yes ma'am! :beer:

[SayWhen]

Knowing Casey as we now do, I'll never understand why she didn't choose to have an abortion.

She couldn't be bothered. imo

[Addy]

The million dollar questions still remains what where they going to do if they found Caylee.
Hi Really, My guess -- the Anthony's would be out pouring more concrete in their backyard. jmo

[SayWhen]

It's the Scarlett O'Hara Syndrome: Oh, fiddle-dee-dee! I'll deal with that tomorrow.

Surprise! Too late now.

I'm with you, Spotty. Cindy didn't sniff the coffee until after the option for an abortion was no longer viable. Imo, MOTY.1 probably began having her suspicions as the expectant MOTY entered her 2nd trimester. I don't believe for a second Cindy didn't know Casey was pregnant all the way to Rick's wedding.

[Aunt]

I have ZERO sympathy for the ENTIRE Anthony family.

The ONLY sympathy I have is for Caylee, first for being born to this family, and then to be murdered by her mother and then her memory being disrespected by her grandparents and uncle.

ZERO!

[SayWhen]

I kind of agree.
Casey is utmost at fault, no upbringing good or bad is justification for murder. She led a privileged life in Anthonyland. She got what she wanted and stole what she didn't get. She was princess second only to the Queen but she knew right from wrong and she knows murder is murder. She deserves punishment for the crimes she's copmmited.

Cindy didn't make Casey kill but she shaped Casey into the selfcentered, selfish person she is. Not punishable because she committed no crimes in raising Casey but if Cindy committed any crimes after the murder then she too deserves and should get punishment.

George, well I married a George once. He liked being bossed around because then he could blame everyone else and make excuses for everything he did wrong. Nothing was ever his fault because he played the weak man. George let Cindy boss him around and verbally castrate him, he chose that route it was not forced on him. If George broke anty laws he too deserves punishment.

I think they both broke all the rules of human decency. Too bad they can't be arrested and charged with having bad characters.

[oswald]

Couple questions and points to ponder:

1) Cindy stated in her depo she had heard the name Zanny for years - even had her phone numbers - but never met her - saying Casey describing her as a 'ten'

SO: If Cindy said she had been hearing about Zanny for years, how is it that Kronk is Zanny? Does the defense want us to believe that Kronk has been babysitting for years? How can they make the stretch from Zanny took the baby to Kronk did it?

2) Again Cindy says Zanny is a 'ten' and the Zenaida suing Casey is cute but no 'ten'

SO: This woman, last name Goode, who has come out of the woodwork saying she saw Casey and Caylee at least two weeks after Caylee supposedly went missing - and this was at DCF getting numbers for Nanny's, looking into housing and medical ins for Caylee - this woman then told the defense that she saw Casey and Caylee getting into a car with a 'large hispanic woman' - so is this the 'ten' nanny that Cindy insists Zanny is?

3) Cindy stated in her depo SHE was the one who typed in Chloroform and she really meant to put in cholophyll cause the dogs were throwing up and she thought that they ate some of the plants

SO: Cindy states this BUT searches were done WHILE Cindy was at work - already verified by LE and FBI

4) Cindy, George and Lee - gave depos and interviews to LE AND the FBI - they make many statements which were changed a few times through the months and again during the depo with Morgan

SO: If Cindy, George and Lee are called to the stand and they change their story again - and the prosecution points out in court that the stories have changed - can they or will they or is it maybe a possiblity or most likely will happen, they will be arrested for perjury? Their testimony will be over

I just could be thinking too much :)

[summer]

I'm with you, Spotty. Cindy didn't sniff the coffee until after the option for an abortion was no longer viable. Imo, MOTY.1 probably began having her suspicions as the expectant MOTY entered her 2nd trimester. I don't believe for a second Cindy didn't know Casey was pregnant all the way to Rick's wedding.

Hey sis, I'm not sure if Casey told JG it was his baby before the wedding but I suspect Cindy and Casey cooked that one up together re Jesse's paternity. What do you think?

[SayWhen]

The only demerit I give him is the baby butt thing. He's a class act - but I can't get that butt out of my mind. Who would want that hanging on your wall? Would you want to be that daughter in about 10 years and invite your friends over?

But other than that, he's a gem.

My guess is the butt cast thing was Mrs. NeJame's idea, and he went along with it. I agree it's just, well, not something I'd do. But I think it's sort of cute in a nauseating sort of way that he played along. :laugh:

[summer]

My guess is the butt cast thing was Mrs. NeJame's idea, and he went along with it. I agree it's just, well, not something I'd do. But I think it's sort of cute in a nauseating sort of way that he played along. :laugh:

Yeah, it's kinda like that "man purse" the wife buys the husband in the Progressive Insurance commercial. You just sorta go along with it. :laugh:

[SayWhen]

Hi Really, My guess -- the Anthony's would be out pouring more concrete in their backyard. jmo

You know it. Concrete decking around the pool, perhaps.

[SayWhen]

Hey sis, I'm not sure if Casey told JG it was his baby before the wedding but I suspect Cindy and Casey cooked that one up together re Jesse's paternity. What do you think?

Wow, light bulb moment for me, summer. That would explain exactly why Cindy has tried to pretend she didn't know Casey was pregnant until her 7th month. That lie makes her appear trusting of her daughter (she thinks, and of course it didn't occur to her that it might just make her look stupid). The TRUTH is of course much darker. Darkness everywhere with that group. And we know much less than the half of it, imo.

[summer]

Wow, light bulb moment for me, summer. That would explain exactly why Cindy has tried to pretend she didn't know Casey was pregnant until her 7th month. That lie makes her appear trusting of her daughter (she thinks, and of course it didn't occur to her that it might just make her look stupid). The TRUTH is of course much darker. Darkness everywhere with that group. And we know much less than the half of it, imo.

Nobody believed Cindy anyway -- so she wasn't considered stupid, just a liar like her daughter. Even her brother Rick, as well as Richard Grund spotted it immediately as BS. She's just an in-your-face-and-what-are-you-gonna-do-about-it LIAR. People told her they knew she was full of it but there really weren't any steps to take, except for JG getting a paternity test. I'm sure he genuflects at his dad's feet hourly for that one.

[summer]

You do have to wonder what Casey's friends thought of her whole *stomach tumor thing*. Maybe she was just laying low with Jesse as cover during this time period. I think that's it. She had a whole different life before she had Caylee so she wasn't pole dancing quite yet.

[Addy]

You know it. Concrete decking around the pool, perhaps.
Yep, and there would be no end to Caylee sitings.

[really3997]

Yep, and there would be no end to Caylee sitings.

barf thank god for Cindy thinking she is smarting that everyone. I don't think I could have tolerated the one arm perfect teeth 10 nanny for ever...

[Addy]

barf thank god for Cindy thinking she is smarting that everyone. I don't think I could have tolerated the one arm perfect teeth 10 nanny for ever...
I wish they could lock her up right next to Casey, within yelling distance. They would eventually rat each other out. Each has to have the last word.

[SayWhen]

I wish they could lock her up right next to Casey, within yelling distance. They would eventually rat each other out. Each has to have the last word.

Now there's a thought. Wonder how long it would take? :w00t:

[crimeq]

I cannot imagine what it was like inside that house.

Casey has been ripping the family off for several years:

* Casey re-paid a loan (Jesse I think) with a bad check and Cindy said (paraphrasing) "well she only did it once."

* Casey stole checks from her grandmother not once, but twice.

* Casey stole a check from Lee when she was in high school. She also did not pay Lee for her car.

* Used Cindy's ccs as she pleased.

* Faked a deposit slip for her parent's account causing them to bounce checks.

Why would Cindy and George allow this to continue? We have read Cindy could not throw her granddaughter to the curb. Why not get custody? I think Shirley Plesea said Cindy could not afford the costs, but wouldn't it have been cheaper than the massive cc debt?

jmo

Cost to get custody probably would not have been prohibitive, but getting custody away from Casey -- the mom -- would have been very difficult to do. Lots of proof required; not only did Cindy not have it (no documentation, for example) but she wouldn't have bared the family secrets to social services even to get custody of Caylee, IMO.

She thought she could control it from the sidelines. And we've got a dead baby to show for it.

[ish]

Knowing Casey as we now do, I'll never understand why she didn't choose to have an abortion.

According to Cindy "Casey loved that child!!!!"

[summer]

According to Cindy "Casey loved that child!!!!"

Yeah Ish, another one of those Cindy equivalents: "Casey loved Caylee more than I love Casey!"

I mean, really. Who qualifies love? I've never heard of it except for this family.

And don't forget the famous Shirley P one: "Casey hated Cindy more than she loved Caylee".

Guess the *more than* / *less than* babble is a Plesea family tradition. Even though she's cute now I'm thinking Shirley P was no mother of the year herself.

[SayWhen]

Cost to get custody probably would not have been prohibitive, but getting custody away from Casey -- the mom -- would have been very difficult to do. Lots of proof required; not only did Cindy not have it (no documentation, for example) but she wouldn't have bared the family secrets to social services even to get custody of Caylee, IMO.

She thought she could control it from the sidelines. And we've got a dead baby to show for it.

Great point, crimeq. No way was Cindy gonna admit to CFS (or whatever it's called in Florida) that Casey was a screw-up. Even if it meant doing the right thing for Caylee.

[Addy]

Now there's a thought. Wonder how long it would take? :w00t:Maybe the powers that be could help nudge the conversation along by making each one believe the other had special privileges. (Larger cell, special mirror for primping, more contact with the outside world......)

[Addy]

Yeah Ish, another one of those Cindy equivalents: "Casey loved Caylee more than I love Casey!"

I mean, really. Who qualifies love? I've never heard of it except for this family.

And don't forget the famous Shirley P one: "Casey hated Cindy more than she loved Caylee".

Guess the *more than* / *less than* babble is a Plesea family tradition. Even though she's cute now I'm thinking Shirley P was no mother of the year herself.Good point. Hadn't quite thought of it like that before now.

[summer]

Good point. Hadn't quite thought of it like that before now.

It's so strange Addy. This one loves this one more. This one hates this one more. Who the hell talks like that about one's immediate family? It's a new one on me.

[seeing_eye]

The million dollar questions still remains what where they going to do if they found Caylee.

If they had planned to turn the body over to authorities, why be so secretive about it? I thoroughly believe their intention was to secretly move the body to a more secure place (like an alligator infested pond). Or at the very least, they might have intended to tamper with the evidence such as removing damning objects like the duct tape, blanket, or laundry hamper.

At any rate, I just can't see this bunch doing the moral, ethical, and legal thing.

[ish]

I'm with you, Spotty. Cindy didn't sniff the coffee until after the option for an abortion was no longer viable. Imo, MOTY.1 probably began having her suspicions as the expectant MOTY entered her 2nd trimester. I don't believe for a second Cindy didn't know Casey was pregnant all the way to Rick's wedding.


I think Cindy "knew" but didn't "know", just like so many other things that went on in the house, "Casey lies but then she tells the truth"
If I recall Rick's statement to LE correctly, he said that he was not expecting Casey to come to the wedding, only George and Cindy. I wonder if Casey decided to go as way to break it to G&C that she was indeed preggers. She had been denying it to Cindy, and in her twisted mind perhaps figured she could kill two birds with one stone, let G&C know the happy news and know that she stuck it to them one more time, making them look like fools.

[SayWhen]

Yeah Ish, another one of those Cindy equivalents: "Casey loved Caylee more than I love Casey!"

I mean, really. Who qualifies love? I've never heard of it except for this family.

And don't forget the famous Shirley P one: "Casey hated Cindy more than she loved Caylee".

Guess the *more than* / *less than* babble is a Plesea family tradition. Even though she's cute now I'm thinking Shirley P was no mother of the year herself.

It definitely puts a frame around the game playing and competitiveness of the group, doesn't it? Feelings are quantified. There is always a winner and a loser. Ugh. Ick. Blech.

[SayWhen]

Maybe the powers that be could help nudge the conversation along by making each one believe the other had special privileges. (Larger cell, special mirror for primping, more contact with the outside world......)

... attention from the male jail employees ... :w00t:

[ish]

If they had planned to turn the body over to authorities, why be so secretive about it? I thoroughly believe their intention was to secretly move the body to a more secure place (like an alligator infested pond). Or at the very least, they might have intended to tamper with the evidence such as removing damning objects like the duct tape, blanket, or laundry hamper.

At any rate, I just can't see this bunch doing the moral, ethical, and legal thing.

I wonder if DC had found the body would Cindy have believed it was Caylee? She did say in her depo that she has doubts the body LE found was truly Caylee, I think she stated there were not enough teeth.

[ish]

Yeah Ish, another one of those Cindy equivalents: "Casey loved Caylee more than I love Casey!"

I mean, really. Who qualifies love? I've never heard of it except for this family.

And don't forget the famous Shirley P one: "Casey hated Cindy more than she loved Caylee".

Guess the *more than* / *less than* babble is a Plesea family tradition. Even though she's cute now I'm thinking Shirley P was no mother of the year herself.

And since we have no idea just how much Cindy REALLY loves Casey, I guess that statement is not much of a barometer.

[Addy]

It's so strange Addy. This one loves this one more. This one hates this one more. Who the hell talks like that about one's immediate family? It's a new one on me.You are right, the dysfunction probably goes way back. I wonder how many generations of the MoreThan/LessThan clan there are in the Anthony (and Pleasea) family tree?

[summer]

And since we have no idea just how much Cindy REALLY loves Casey, I guess that statement is not much of a barometer.

heh, it's all relative isn't it? For all we know Casey loved Caylee more than she loved her goldfish (if she had one). So yeah... :lol:

[summer]

You are right, the dysfunction probably goes way back. I wonder how many generations of the MoreThan/LessThan clan there are in the Anthony (and Pleasea) family tree?

Bwa ha! I love that! Can I steal it please? If i give you credit? We've already got the Malaprop Family and now the MTLT Clan. Love it. :laugh:

[ish]

heh, it's all relative isn't it? For all we know Casey loved Caylee more than she loved her goldfish (if she had one). So yeah... :lol:

But did Casey love her goldfish more than she loves her bean dip from the jail commissary? :laugh:

[Addy]

... attention from the male jail employees ... :w00t:Shouldn't take long to get them yelling at each other if male attention is at stake, lol

[summer]

But did Casey love her goldfish more than she loves her bean dip from the jail commissary? :laugh:ll

Well lets see... She probably flushed the imaginary fish down the toilet so I'd say definitely the bean dip. Yeah, she loved (past tense since the junk food account has run dry) the bean dip more.

Hey this more than/less than stuff is fun! :laugh:

[Spots]

O/T Per cnn.com., verdict in the Amanda Knox trial due approximately 6 pm tonight.

[FindAnswers]

But did Casey love her goldfish more than she loves her bean dip from the jail commissary? :laugh: lol That made me chuckle so hard I nearly choked to death on my juice.

[Addy]

Bwa ha! I love that! Can I steal it please? If i give you credit? We've already got the Malaprop Family and now the MTLT Clan. Love it. :laugh:Glad I am good for something, lol. Yes. Enjoy.

[crimeq]

"I like chili!"

Or, the missing fingers of the family comment. "I'm still here":cursing:

And -- paraphrasing Casey but it blew me away --

"I'm small. Caylee and I are about the same size."

[summer]

O/T Per cnn.com., verdict in the Amanda Knox trial due approximately 6 pm tonight.

Huh, I don't know what sentence she's facing but wonder what life is like in an Italian jail. Probably better than Pelican Bay or a Texas prison but dunno...

[oswald]

And -- paraphrasing Casey but it blew me away --

"I'm small. Caylee and I are about the same size."

Huh? What? Are you kidding??? ROTFL that is crazy!!!!

[SayWhen]

O/T Per cnn.com., verdict in the Amanda Knox trial due approximately 6 pm tonight.

3pm my time. Holding my breath, fingers crossed. :crying:

[summer]

And -- paraphrasing Casey but it blew me away --

"I'm small. Caylee and I are about the same size."

Ugh. Soooo sick. :crying:

[summer]

3pm my time. Holding my breath, fingers crossed. :crying:

Haven't followed the case much, hun. Fingers crossed for a stiff sentence or not?

[crimeq]

http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/

not sure if this has been posted yet

Thanks, Really. NeJame is eloquent and well-mannered. Nice guy, IMO.

[summer]

Thanks, Really. NeJame is eloquent and well-mannered. Nice guy, IMO.

I like him a lot too but I'm surprised he said Conway is an honest attorney. That's simply amazing to me and beyond professional courtesy but whatever.

[SayWhen]

Haven't followed the case much, hun. Fingers crossed for a stiff sentence or not?

I've never felt she did it, but I've not followed the case closely at all. :blushing:

I'm hoping she's home for Christmas.

Or not, if she's guilty. How's that for equivocating? :laugh:

[FindAnswers]

I've never felt she did it, but I've not followed the case closely at all. :blushing:

I'm hoping she's home for Christmas.

Or not, if she's guilty. How's that for equivocating? :laugh:

lol Say. There are some issues with the prosecutor in that case but I do believe she was involved with the killing. I don't believe they had enough hard evidence under the law to convict but we will have tosee what the verdict is.

[SayWhen]

lol Say. There are some issues with the prosecutor in that case but I do believe she was involved with the killing. I don't believe they had enough hard evidence under the law to convict but we will have tosee what the verdict is.

Wow! I've been reading thru the Amanda thread here, and you're certainly not alone in feeling she had something to do with it. Guess maybe I didn't pay enough attention, lol. It's just so odd for a woman to be involved in a crime like that and it seems like the direct evidence is definitely questionable. But I'm hardly an expert. Three minutes until the verdict is announced ...

Sorry for the O/T, folks. :tongueside:

[Sun]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/120409-george-cindy-anthony-to-testify

Casey Anthony’s parents to testify at hearing
Published : Friday, 04 Dec 2009, 5:05 PM EST

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35) - Casey Anthony will be back in court Friday December 11 for motion hearings and her parent's, George and Cindy Anthony, along with their attorney Brad Conway have been subpoenaed to testify. Judge Strickland will hear four motions in the State vs. Casey Anthony case beginning at 9:30 a.m., December 11:

Motion to preclude the death penalty procedures
Motion for a protective order prohibiting Orange County Jail from videotaping attorney visits
Motion for a protective order directing Orange County Jail to destroy videos of family visits
Motion to dismiss counts 1,2, 4, 5, 7, 8 10, 11, 13 for violation of double jeopardy clause

[TunaMelt]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/120409-george-cindy-anthony-to-testify

Casey Anthony’s parents to testify at hearing
Published : Friday, 04 Dec 2009, 5:05 PM EST

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35) - Casey Anthony will be back in court Friday December 11 for motion hearings and her parent's, George and Cindy Anthony, along with their attorney Brad Conway have been subpoenaed to testify. Judge Strickland will hear four motions in the State vs. Casey Anthony case beginning at 9:30 a.m., December 11:

Motion to preclude the death penalty procedures
Motion for a protective order prohibiting Orange County Jail from videotaping attorney visits
Motion for a protective order directing Orange County Jail to destroy videos of family visits
Motion to dismiss counts 1,2, 4, 5, 7, 8 10, 11, 13 for violation of double jeopardy clause

:w00t::sneaky:

Thank you, sun!!

[Spots]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/120409-george-cindy-anthony-to-testify

Casey Anthony’s parents to testify at hearing
Published : Friday, 04 Dec 2009, 5:05 PM EST

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35) - Casey Anthony will be back in court Friday December 11 for motion hearings and her parent's, George and Cindy Anthony, along with their attorney Brad Conway have been subpoenaed to testify. Judge Strickland will hear four motions in the State vs. Casey Anthony case beginning at 9:30 a.m., December 11:

Motion to preclude the death penalty procedures
Motion for a protective order prohibiting Orange County Jail from videotaping attorney visits
Motion for a protective order directing Orange County Jail to destroy videos of family visits
Motion to dismiss counts 1,2, 4, 5, 7, 8 10, 11, 13 for violation of double jeopardy clause

Good luck getting these off the InterWeb.

[AnnieKins]

The only demerit I give him is the baby butt thing. He's a class act - but I can't get that butt out of my mind. Who would want that hanging on your wall? Would you want to be that daughter in about 10 years and invite your friends over?

But other than that, he's a gem.

Maybe his wife talked him into doing it? :smile:

[crimeq]

wasn't there missing $ at TonE's apt too? a roomate or TonE was missing $


I could be wrong, if I am please correct me.

Yes, and I believe it was a breakin while TonE was in New York. Someone broke out a pane in the back door? or something like that? I'm a little fuzzy on this but know there was a breakin and money was taken.

[seeing_eye]

With the long list of people that Casey stole from lets not forget

the check from her grandmother - I believe 2 of them - one for Caylees bday and one for a phone

checks from her grandfathers rest home

Casey stole money from Caylee's piggy bank, per George AND she took out all the life insurance money George and Cindy started - that was the Gerbers Life Insurance that all new mothers get the card when they leave the hospital

She stole from Amy before the checks, remember Amy testified that they all partied together and when she woke up $400 was gone and Casey said that the night before Amy spent it, but Amy knew she hadn't but then why would Casey lie to her, so she went with it

She took money from George and Cindy's bank account and when she said she was going to pay them back, Casey forged a deposit slip

She used Cindy's credit cards constantly - we have yet to see credit card statements

This is how Cindy and George almost went bankrupt, because when they would deposit money, paychecks, it was always gone - we haven't heard yet about checks bouncing

That is just a few of course we don't know of all, not yet

Cindy and George never made Casey responsible for her actions - from Cindy begging her mother not to press charges on Casey for stealing from her grandfather to ignoring her pregnancy

I still think killing Caylee was an accident when it happened - then when she knew she couldn't do anything about it the kidnapping theory was born, and thats when the duct tape went on - thats why she never told anyone that Caylee was missing because she knew what she had done and when she had to FINALLY come clean she would do the kidnapping theory

What Casey did not expect, like others have said, is for Cindy to call LE, because her parents had seemed to cover for her throughout her life, she thought this would be no different - when LE got involved I'm sure Casey was expecting them to believe the stories she told and she would be felt sorry for, the poor single mom with the missing child, and Casey would go on with life without the responsibility

Thats how I see it has happening at the beginning - NOW tho Casey's lies and thefts and her pure betrayal of family and friends has mostly come out and I seriously don't see any comeback from it - if Casey wants total sympathy? Maybe she ought to come out with a bible and read and pray during court - like the runaway did - I'm not saying the runaway in FL was fake, I don't believe it at all - but criminals want sympathy, right? They always find God behind bars

I agree with most of your post, but respectfully disagree with killing Caylee was an accident. I base my opinion on Casey's attitude about the loss of her child. She gives the impression she could care less about Caylee being missing or gone. She doesn't even try to pretend to care. A perfect example of her attitude is her tattoo. If Caylee's death had been an accident, Casey would be upset and mourn. But she is just the opposite - she actually celebrates her death. I truly believe Casey deliberately and with forethought took the life of her own helpless and vulnerable daughter.

[SayWhen]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/120409-george-cindy-anthony-to-testify

Casey Anthony’s parents to testify at hearing
Published : Friday, 04 Dec 2009, 5:05 PM EST

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35) - Casey Anthony will be back in court Friday December 11 for motion hearings and her parent's, George and Cindy Anthony, along with their attorney Brad Conway have been subpoenaed to testify. Judge Strickland will hear four motions in the State vs. Casey Anthony case beginning at 9:30 a.m., December 11:

Motion to preclude the death penalty procedures
Motion for a protective order prohibiting Orange County Jail from videotaping attorney visits
Motion for a protective order directing Orange County Jail to destroy videos of family visits
Motion to dismiss counts 1,2, 4, 5, 7, 8 10, 11, 13 for violation of double jeopardy clause

Okay, so I've got a dentist appointment at 11am my time, which is 2pm Orlando time. Surely this will be over in 3 hours, don't you think? :scared:

[crimeq]

So, do you all think that IS is gearing up for coverage of the hearing for CA next week? I've been curious as to their choices of canned trials, what live trial is coming down the pike besides this one?

Bug

BTW, Amy not only was stolen from that night, she also woke up dressed in another pair of pants that she was not wearing....I think that Casey may have drugged her, I've also thought this.

Bug, it just bothers me that Amy was willing to go along with it -- which makes me wonder if she was used to being "unaware" of her actions, such as drinking too much or using other substances. No one could convince me that I'd walked in my sleep, changed my pj's or clothes, or spent $400 that I had no recollection of spending. :confused:

[Aunt]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/120409-george-cindy-anthony-to-testify

Casey Anthony’s parents to testify at hearing
Published : Friday, 04 Dec 2009, 5:05 PM EST

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35) - Casey Anthony will be back in court Friday December 11 for motion hearings and her parent's, George and Cindy Anthony, along with their attorney Brad Conway have been subpoenaed to testify. Judge Strickland will hear four motions in the State vs. Casey Anthony case beginning at 9:30 a.m., December 11:

Motion to preclude the death penalty procedures
Motion for a protective order prohibiting Orange County Jail from videotaping attorney visits
Motion for a protective order directing Orange County Jail to destroy videos of family visits
Motion to dismiss counts 1,2, 4, 5, 7, 8 10, 11, 13 for violation of double jeopardy clause

Oh boy. ohboyohboyohboy

[SayWhen]

Good luck getting these off the InterWeb.

Especially the Fistie Tapes. :lol: :lol:

[crimeq]

Christmas has come early for us. I cannot wait to hear Jeff and Linda's response to the defense's "motions."

Post them when they're up Sunnie and thank you for this.


:thumbup:

Hiya Scampi :-) I can't wait for this hearing. I hope JudgeS smacks AL and I hope GoodLinda is wearing a tie.

Did you cook your T'giving turkey in a cooking bag? just wondering .... I did and it was juicy and fab.

[oswald]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/120409-george-cindy-anthony-to-testify

Casey Anthony’s parents to testify at hearing
Published : Friday, 04 Dec 2009, 5:05 PM EST

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35) - Casey Anthony will be back in court Friday December 11 for motion hearings and her parent's, George and Cindy Anthony, along with their attorney Brad Conway have been subpoenaed to testify. Judge Strickland will hear four motions in the State vs. Casey Anthony case beginning at 9:30 a.m., December 11:

Motion to preclude the death penalty procedures
Motion for a protective order prohibiting Orange County Jail from videotaping attorney visits
Motion for a protective order directing Orange County Jail to destroy videos of family visits
Motion to dismiss counts 1,2, 4, 5, 7, 8 10, 11, 13 for violation of double jeopardy clause

Okay 7:30 AM my time - hopefully it will be done by 10 AM so I can go to the gym - this one oughtta be a good one

[crimeq]

Knowing Casey as we now do, I'll never understand why she didn't choose to have an abortion.

She ignored it until it was too late .... Casey doesn't solve problems "in the moment" and her timeframe slipped away from her.

I wonder what Cindy would have done, had she known in Casey's first trimester that she was pregnant. I think she would have gotten an abortion for Casey, and given her some real strong education about birth control. All too late now.

[oswald]

I agree with most of your post, but respectfully disagree with killing Caylee was an accident. I base my opinion on Casey's attitude about the loss of her child. She gives the impression she could care less about Caylee being missing or gone. She doesn't even try to pretend to care. A perfect example of her attitude is her tattoo. If Caylee's death had been an accident, Casey would be upset and mourn. But she is just the opposite - she actually celebrates her death. I truly believe Casey deliberately and with forethought took the life of her own helpless and vulnerable daughter.

I don't know - she might have always wanted Caylee to die but never had the guts - I think after it was done, she panicked, the flurry of calls - but then felt okay she can breath relief and on to the lies

[Spots]

O/T Reported: Amanda Knox guilty on all counts.

[SayWhen]

O/T Reported: Amanda Knox guilty on all counts.

Yep. :shrug:

[neid_77]

O/T Reported: Amanda Knox guilty on all counts.

i have changed my mind about wanting to EVER! live in italy

[neid_77]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/120409-george-cindy-anthony-to-testify

Casey Anthony’s parents to testify at hearing
Published : Friday, 04 Dec 2009, 5:05 PM EST

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35) - Casey Anthony will be back in court Friday December 11 for motion hearings and her parent's, George and Cindy Anthony, along with their attorney Brad Conway have been subpoenaed to testify. Judge Strickland will hear four motions in the State vs. Casey Anthony case beginning at 9:30 a.m., December 11:

Motion to preclude the death penalty procedures
Motion for a protective order prohibiting Orange County Jail from videotaping attorney visits
Motion for a protective order directing Orange County Jail to destroy videos of family visits
Motion to dismiss counts 1,2, 4, 5, 7, 8 10, 11, 13 for violation of double jeopardy clause


i have a couple questions about this?

1. what are they going to testify to? how horrible and dooped they where by jail procecures that had been set since perhaps they even moved there? and will they even tell the truth?

2. or is it related to the check fraud case? they going to lie about ALL!!!!!!!!!!!! the money their so innocent and mistreated daughter stole from the whole family?

[Steps]

I wonder if DC had found the body would Cindy have believed it was Caylee? She did say in her depo that she has doubts the body LE found was truly Caylee, I think she stated there were not enough teeth.

I wonder how Cindy can explain how the clothes that were found with the remains were identical to clothes that Caylee is wearing in photos that she has sold to the media. Remember the little pair of shorts that she is wearing in the video at the nursing home with her great grandfather? And also, the "Big" trouble shirt and lettering found at the dump site! Explain THAT, Cindy!!! Imagine another "missing child" wearing clothes identical to Caylee's. Oh, pleeessee!!:mad:

[Sun]

Oh boy is right. Every time that George and Cindy provide sworn testimony, they take the chance of saying something that can be used against Casey at the trial.

[SayWhen]

Okay, so I've got a dentist appointment at 11am my time, which is 2pm Orlando time. Surely this will be over in 3 hours, don't you think? :scared:

Okay, so I'm rethinking this. I think I'll shower and get all ready to go before 630am (my time). That way, I can sit right here on my FLB rear until, like, 10:50am my time if I need to. :w00t:

[crimeq]

The only demerit I give him is the baby butt thing. He's a class act - but I can't get that butt out of my mind. Who would want that hanging on your wall? Would you want to be that daughter in about 10 years and invite your friends over?

But other than that, he's a gem.

Lots of people think sweet baby butts are the sweetest and cutest things -- did you see the sculpture of LeJame's baby? http://baby-bellys.com/_wsn/page4.html

I think it's very sweet.

Different folks, different strokes ;-)

[really3997]

i have a couple questions about this?

1. what are they going to testify to? how horrible and dooped they where by jail procecures that had been set since perhaps they even moved there? and will they even tell the truth?

2. or is it related to the check fraud case? they going to lie about ALL!!!!!!!!!!!! the money their so innocent and mistreated daughter stole from the whole family?

I was wondering the same thing. I hope we don't hear the but she only did it once speech

[crimeq]

Yeah Ish, another one of those Cindy equivalents: "Casey loved Caylee more than I love Casey!"

I mean, really. Who qualifies love? I've never heard of it except for this family.

And don't forget the famous Shirley P one: "Casey hated Cindy more than she loved Caylee".

Guess the *more than* / *less than* babble is a Plesea family tradition. Even though she's cute now I'm thinking Shirley P was no mother of the year herself.

Agree .... all those statements are bizarre, but they are consistent statements within the family. It makes me wonder how they expressed love and caring to each other, when Cindy was a child, when Casey was a child, and when Caylee was a child :-(

ETA - oh, and remember, Casey left Jesse because she thought he loved Caylee MORE than he loved her.

This family had a strange way of "loving".

[SayWhen]

Lots of people think sweet baby butts are the sweetest and cutest things -- did you see the sculpture of LeJame's baby? http://baby-bellys.com/_wsn/page4.html

I think it's very sweet.

Different folks, different strokes ;-)

That's for sure, crime.

I'd rather stick a pencil in my eye than hang a fanny on my wall, no matter whose it is. :laugh:

[Spots]

That's for sure, crime.

I'd rather stick a pencil in my eye than hang a fanny on my wall, no matter whose it is. :laugh:

Really. I mean, what kind of decor would that go with? Contemporary? Colonial? IKEA? Salvation Army?

NeJame still gets 1 demerit for that, sorry.

[ish]

i have a couple questions about this?

1. what are they going to testify to? how horrible and dooped they where by jail procecures that had been set since perhaps they even moved there? and will they even tell the truth?

2. or is it related to the check fraud case? they going to lie about ALL!!!!!!!!!!!! the money their so innocent and mistreated daughter stole from the whole family?

my bold

One thing we do know.. they won't be testifying to the truth..:laugh:

[Sun]

I think that Baez/Lyon are going to encounter a big problem in that they want Judge Strickland to circumvent the Florida Sunshine Law by keeping video-taped visitations of family from the public. Note that Baez/Lyon did not notice the media on this motion.

It does sound as if the defense is going to have the family testify as to not visiting Casey, and I just fail to see where they are going with this. Sounds to me like they are asking the jail for "special treatment" once again.

Casey is in jail because she is charged in the death of Caylee. Casey clearly didn't want to "see" and of her family from June 16, 2008 through July 15, 2008, as she "ran away from home." Even when Casey was out on bond, she spent enormous amounts of time at Baez's office, IMO mostly in order to avoid her family.

Perhaps Cindy and George miss seeing Casey. If Casey doesn't want to see them under the rules of the house that she's currently residing in, that's just too bad. JMO (even the Jail has house rules) :cool:

[crimeq]

Great point, crimeq. No way was Cindy gonna admit to CFS (or whatever it's called in Florida) that Casey was a screw-up. Even if it meant doing the right thing for Caylee.

Right -- after all, we've heard from Cindy that Casey is "Mother of the Year" -- and this is AFTER she killed Caylee. Sigh.

[crimeq]

Huh? What? Are you kidding??? ROTFL that is crazy!!!!

Not kidding :biggrin: She said something very much like that, though I paraphrased because I couldn't remember exactly what it was.

Somebody else here probably does remember the exact quote, though, we have some real fact geniuses on this board. :wub:

[summer]

I think that Baez/Lyon are going to encounter a big problem in that they want Judge Strickland to circumvent the Florida Sunshine Law by keeping video-taped visitations of family from the public. Note that Baez/Lyon did not notice the media on this motion.

It does sound as if the defense is going to have the family testify as to not visiting Casey, and I just fail to see where they are going with this. Sounds to me like they are asking the jail for "special treatment" once again.

Casey is in jail because she is charged in the death of Caylee. Casey clearly didn't want to "see" and of her family from June 16, 2008 through July 15, 2008, as she "ran away from home." Even when Casey was out on bond, she spent enormous amounts of time at Baez's office, IMO mostly in order to avoid her family.

Perhaps Cindy and George miss seeing Casey. If Casey doesn't want to see them under the rules of the house that she's currently residing in, that's just too bad. JMO (even the Jail has house rules) :cool:

At this point I woudn't care if the Judge seals future visitation tapes from public view until trial, but I'm pretty sure the defense wants all the past ones ("They care more about Caylee than meeeee! Gimme Tony's number! Calling you a waste, huge waste", etc) DESTROYED altogether and never seen by the jury. I can't imagine that happening.

Strickland has their number anyway. Remember the way he looked (or didn't look) at George during his ridiculous plea not to have the autopsy results made public. Motion denied!

Bottom line, they could care less if they see Casey. IMO they just want to sort through all the lies and get their stories straight.

[crimeq]

I like him a lot too but I'm surprised he said Conway is an honest attorney. That's simply amazing to me and beyond professional courtesy but whatever.

Summer, Pam Bondi also has said she has long and lasting respect for Conway as an atty. :confused:

[crimeq]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/120409-george-cindy-anthony-to-testify

Casey Anthony’s parents to testify at hearing
Published : Friday, 04 Dec 2009, 5:05 PM EST

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35) - Casey Anthony will be back in court Friday December 11 for motion hearings and her parent's, George and Cindy Anthony, along with their attorney Brad Conway have been subpoenaed to testify. Judge Strickland will hear four motions in the State vs. Casey Anthony case beginning at 9:30 a.m., December 11:

Motion to preclude the death penalty procedures
Motion for a protective order prohibiting Orange County Jail from videotaping attorney visits
Motion for a protective order directing Orange County Jail to destroy videos of family visits
Motion to dismiss counts 1,2, 4, 5, 7, 8 10, 11, 13 for violation of double jeopardy clause


Whoa! POPCORN!!!!! :w00t:

[summer]

Not kidding :biggrin: She said something very much like that, though I paraphrased because I couldn't remember exactly what it was.

Somebody else here probably does remember the exact quote, though, we have some real fact geniuses on this board. :wub:

Hey yeah, crime, my sig is paraphrased too but I figure if you capture the *spirit* of the thing it's okay? lol :biggrin:

[FindAnswers]

This might be a dumb question but which side subpoenaed the Anthonys and Conway? :confused:

[crimeq]

That's for sure, crime.

I'd rather stick a pencil in my eye than hang a fanny on my wall, no matter whose it is. :laugh:

well, I love ancient Greek and Roman sculpture and I kind of see it in the same way ... if I had a little one, I'd probably have a little gold baby-butt sculpture made, too. I think the one of LeJames' baby is great.

Don't stone me. LOL.

[summer]

Summer, Pam Bondi also has said she has long and lasting respect for Conway as an atty. :confused:

Wow! I really like her too. Did she say that since he's been with the A's? I mean, he's lied like 100 times already - provable blatant sleazy lies. Oh well. I guess they have their code, their own kind of blue line. I am surprised though.

[Aunt]

Oh boy is right. Every time that George and Cindy provide sworn testimony, they take the chance of saying something that can be used against Casey at the trial.

Apparently if they lie under oath, they can be charged.

:thumbsup:

Got my flab hat on. :tongueside:

[summer]

This might be a dumb question but which side subpoenaed the Anthonys and Conway? :confused:

LOL I had the exact same question when I read it but figure they're testifying for the defense, although why would they need a subpoena for that? Oh double popcorn if it's the prosecution!!!!

[crimeq]

Wow! I really like her too. Did she say that since he's been with the A's? I mean, he's lied like 100 times already - provable blatant sleazy lies. Oh well. I guess they have their code, their own kind of blue line. I am surprised though.

Yes, she said it during the representation of the Anthonys. :confused:

[crimeq]

LOL I had the exact same question when I read it but figure they're testifying for the defense, although why would they need a subpoena for that? Oh double popcorn if it's the prosecution!!!!

Caramel popcorn for me ;-) which I avoid, because it's so addicting.

I'll do it for this though :-) PLEEZE be subpoenaed by the prosecution!

[Sun]

I also wonder who issued subpoenas. If only these four motions are to be heard, then I'm guessing that it would be the defense. However, if by chance any motion is heard on DCasey sitting for a State Depo, then it could be anyone. JMO



http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/120409-george-cindy-anthony-to-testify

Casey Anthony’s parents to testify at hearing
Published : Friday, 04 Dec 2009, 5:05 PM EST

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35) - Casey Anthony will be back in court Friday December 11 for motion hearings and her parent's, George and Cindy Anthony, along with their attorney Brad Conway have been subpoenaed to testify. Judge Strickland will hear four motions in the State vs. Casey Anthony case beginning at 9:30 a.m., December 11:

Motion to preclude the death penalty procedures
Motion for a protective order prohibiting Orange County Jail from videotaping attorney visits
Motion for a protective order directing Orange County Jail to destroy videos of family visits
Motion to dismiss counts 1,2, 4, 5, 7, 8 10, 11, 13 for violation of double jeopardy clause

[summer]

I also wonder who issued subpoenas. If only these four motions are to be heard, then I'm guessing that it would be the defense. However, if by chance any motion is heard on DCasey sitting for a State Depo, then it could be anyone. JMO



http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/120409-george-cindy-anthony-to-testify

Casey Anthony’s parents to testify at hearing
Published : Friday, 04 Dec 2009, 5:05 PM EST

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35) - Casey Anthony will be back in court Friday December 11 for motion hearings and her parent's, George and Cindy Anthony, along with their attorney Brad Conway have been subpoenaed to testify. Judge Strickland will hear four motions in the State vs. Casey Anthony case beginning at 9:30 a.m., December 11:

Motion to preclude the death penalty procedures
Motion for a protective order prohibiting Orange County Jail from videotaping attorney visits
Motion for a protective order directing Orange County Jail to destroy videos of family visits
Motion to dismiss counts 1,2, 4, 5, 7, 8 10, 11, 13 for violation of double jeopardy clause

Maybe it's just a formality because I think G&C would gladly testify to anything the defense wanted. I'm so confused!

[crimeq]

I also wonder who issued subpoenas. If only these four motions are to be heard, then I'm guessing that it would be the defense. However, if by chance any motion is heard on DCasey sitting for a State Depo, then it could be anyone. JMO



http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/120409-george-cindy-anthony-to-testify

Casey Anthony’s parents to testify at hearing
Published : Friday, 04 Dec 2009, 5:05 PM EST

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35) - Casey Anthony will be back in court Friday December 11 for motion hearings and her parent's, George and Cindy Anthony, along with their attorney Brad Conway have been subpoenaed to testify. Judge Strickland will hear four motions in the State vs. Casey Anthony case beginning at 9:30 a.m., December 11:

Motion to preclude the death penalty procedures
Motion for a protective order prohibiting Orange County Jail from videotaping attorney visits
Motion for a protective order directing Orange County Jail to destroy videos of family visits
Motion to dismiss counts 1,2, 4, 5, 7, 8 10, 11, 13 for violation of double jeopardy clause

QUESTION: If these witnesses are appearing for the Defense, would it be protocol to subpoena them for their testimony? I'd think they would give voluntary testimony. Or is it standard procedure to subpoena ALL witnesses for their testimony?

[Sun]

Do you suppose that Cindy, George and BConway will be allowed in the courtroom until they testify? Will they be able to listen to each other testify? I have no clue how this works.... anyone?

[neid_77]

here is the PDF from the state of florida concerning the motion of double jeporday by the defense

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21869179/detail.html

[Sun]

here is the PDF from the state of florida concerning the motion of double jeporday by the defense

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21869179/detail.html

Thanks so much neid, for finding and posting this link!

"The defendant's argument is premature and improper." Double jeopardy concerns require that the trial judge filter out mutiple punishments at the end of the trial, not the beginning... "

[achristie]

i have changed my mind about wanting to EVER! live in italy

Maybe the COV in this case should be in Perugia. :laugh:

MOO Aggie

[Coco]

O/T Reported: Amanda Knox guilty on all counts. I KNOW!! I just dont know what to think about it!!

[Coco]

here is the PDF from the state of florida concerning the motion of double jeporday by the defense

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21869179/detail.html

THANKS!! :biggrin:

[bugout]

Bug, it just bothers me that Amy was willing to go along with it -- which makes me wonder if she was used to being "unaware" of her actions, such as drinking too much or using other substances. No one could convince me that I'd walked in my sleep, changed my pj's or clothes, or spent $400 that I had no recollection of spending. :confused:

Hi Crimeq, you know what, I really think that Amy trusted her. I think that in that moment she looked at her, and ignored her gut, which was telling her no one else could have taken it But Casey.

In hindsight I'm sure there was plenty that sent up alarms for Amy, I really do.

I think that Casey A duped a lot of people, but I always consider the source lol. Her "kid boyfriends" as in I really like this "kid" to her party friends, I assume they were pretty messed up most of the time they went out, based on the photos we have seen.

I really do think that Amy thought she was moving into that house.
I really do think that Amy believed most of Casey's lies. And I really do believe that there was some plan for Cindy to move out of that house. And I think it has to do with whom ever the father of that baby was. I really do.

I don't know ANY Grandpa to be, that actually leaves the home after the child is born. He would have been needed the most. Something tells me in my gut there are serious reasons why he left AFTER Caylee's birth, as in Cindy.

I think that after we heard that Lee was not Caylee's father, after he was ruled out, some things started to click for me. And, the Lie of who Caylee's father was/is is one of them. JMO, it's just what I think, something I need for the state to clear up. Unless that is the bombshell that Baez referred to. Guess we will wait and see.

I am most curious to see how awful Casey A looks next week in court, zits and all.


Bug

[Coco]

Caramel popcorn for me ;-) which I avoid, because it's so addicting.

I'll do it for this though :-) PLEEZE be subpoenaed by the prosecution!

LOL....Me too!! :thumbsup:

[FindAnswers]

I am just happy to see that I was not the only one who did not know which side was having them subpoenaed to testify. lol I guess it could be either side for various reasons.

[Dovey]

I can believe many here as..... I told my 2 daughter's I would pay for their college education and necessary expenses and they had to cover anything else. After they graduated in 4years (anymore was their expense) they could live at home for abt 3 months to look for jobs after they graduated, etc.

I wonder why Cindy and Geoge didn't give either Lee or Casey the support needed to attend college?
Why would you not?

Seems like Cindy went onwards to be a nurse, why didn't Cindy do this for Lee and Casey?

[nana6]

Hi Crimeq, you know what, I really think that Amy trusted her. I think that in that moment she looked at her, and ignored her gut, which was telling her no one else could have taken it But Casey.

In hindsight I'm sure there was plenty that sent up alarms for Amy, I really do.

I think that Casey A duped a lot of people, but I always consider the source lol. Her "kid boyfriends" as in I really like this "kid" to her party friends, I assume they were pretty messed up most of the time they went out, based on the photos we have seen.

I really do think that Amy thought she was moving into that house.
I really do think that Amy believed most of Casey's lies. And I really do believe that there was some plan for Cindy to move out of that house. And I think it has to do with whom ever the father of that baby was. I really do.

I don't know ANY Grandpa to be, that actually leaves the home after the child is born. He would have been needed the most. Something tells me in my gut there are serious reasons why he left AFTER Caylee's birth, as in Cindy.

I think that after we heard that Lee was not Caylee's father, after he was ruled out, some things started to click for me. And, the Lie of who Caylee's father was/is is one of them. JMO, it's just what I think, something I need for the state to clear up. Unless that is the bombshell that Baez referred to. Guess we will wait and see.

I am most curious to see how awful Casey A looks next week in court, zits and all.


Bug

HI bug, I think I get your drift on the father of Caylee. I thought way back long and hard about this and it has been mentioned before on this board, but nothing at all would surprise me if you know what I mean,

[FindAnswers]

I can believe many here as..... I told my 2 daughter's I would pay for their college education and necessary expenses and they had to cover anything else. After they graduated in 4years (anymore was their expense) they could live at home for abt 3 months to look for jobs after they graduated, etc.

I wonder why Cindy and Geoge didn't give either Lee or Casey the support needed to attend college?
Why would you not?

Seems like Cindy went onwards to be a nurse, why didn't Cindy do this for Lee and Casey?

If I remember correctly George spoke about how they tried to give Casey everything in reference to every opportunity to further her education to the FBI investigators and she just did not take advantage of it. I do not know about Lee.

[oswald]

my bold

One thing we do know.. they won't be testifying to the truth..:laugh:

LOL That is the truth! I had to read it again, they were supeona'd - so they are testifying for the prosecution - oh there will be fireworks thats for sure! I wonder if the state will call them on watching what they say, perjury is a ***** ain't it????

[Dovey]

If I remember correctly George spoke about how they tried to give Casey everything in reference to every opportunity to further her education to the FBI investigators and she just did not take advantage of it. I do not know about Lee.

Casey could not go on to college if she did not even graduate from High school. What about Lee as Cindy said he was a gifted child. I do have a gifted grandson and hopefully he will go onwards to college as his parents expect nothing less, as do his grandparents.

Cindy and George lie. It's so sad they never tell the truth about anything.

[oswald]

QUESTION: If these witnesses are appearing for the Defense, would it be protocol to subpoena them for their testimony? I'd think they would give voluntary testimony. Or is it standard procedure to subpoena ALL witnesses for their testimony?

I don't think it's for the defense, I could be wrong but the defense wouldn't have to supoenoa them - they would come willingly - a supoenoa is normally when your basically forced to testify

I think - unless the defense HAS to do it so that the state is aware that the Anthony's will be testifying

I don't know - so much crap is being thrown around who knows whats heads or tails anymore!

[oswald]

Casey could not go on to college if she did not even graduate from High school. What about Lee as Cindy said he was a gifted child. I do have a gifted grandson and hopefully he will go onwards to college as his parents expect nothing less, as do his grandparents.

Cindy and George lie. It's so sad they never tell the truth about anything.

Not true - she wouldn't need her diploma or even a GED - all she would have to do is test in - I know, cause my youngest doesn't have her diploma or GED (doesn't make me happy, she doesn't) She can go test and take her GED and get into college easier OR she can test to get into college and if she passes all sections then she can go and get her degree - I know others that have done it

[Scampi]

Maybe the COV in this case should be in Perugia. :laugh:

MOO Aggie


:lol: I love it Aggie!!!!

[Spots]

LOL That is the truth! I had to read it again, they were supeona'd - so they are testifying for the prosecution - oh there will be fireworks thats for sure! I wonder if the state will call them on watching what they say, perjury is a ***** ain't it????

Whoa. Subpoenas can be issued by either the prosecution or the defense. Don't jump to conclusions that these were issued by the prosecution.

Subpoena (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subpoena)

[sunbunny]

Whoa. Subpoenas can be issued by either the prosecution or the defense. Don't jump to conclusions that these were issued by the prosecution.

Subpoena (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subpoena)

i am NOT a lawyer, but have been a legal secretary for over 20 years. here in california, if a party is represented by a lawyer, we do not need to subpoena them, we just send a "notice to appear" type thing to their attorney. where's Katprint? :unsure: perhaps florida is different.... ok... i put my 2 cents in and back to lurking!! :chicken:

[Dovey]

Not true - she wouldn't need her diploma or even a GED - all she would have to do is test in - I know, cause my youngest doesn't have her diploma or GED (doesn't make me happy, she doesn't) She can go test and take her GED and get into college easier OR she can test to get into college and if she passes all sections then she can go and get her degree - I know others that have done it

TY for that info, I guess things have changed over the years. I know my girls had to have high SAT and ACT to attend even a state college in my state back in 1988 and 1991. Perhaps requirements have changed over the years.
Why did Lee not attend college if as "Cindy said he was in gifted classes"?

[Katprint]

well, I love ancient Greek and Roman sculpture and I kind of see it in the same way ... if I had a little one, I'd probably have a little gold baby-butt sculpture made, too. I think the one of LeJames' baby is great.

Don't stone me. LOL.
It must just be a freakish attorney thing. I had plaster casts made of my big 9 month pregnant belly with both of my sons. I would have done casts of their cute little baby-butts if I had thought of it, because I think baby-butts are the cutest thing ever, but I only have tiny handprint casts. There are special kits they sell for making handprints or casts of the entire hand, but I don't recall seeing baby-butt kits. LOL!

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Spots]

i am NOT a lawyer, but have been a legal secretary for over 20 years. here in california, if a party is represented by a lawyer, we do not need to subpoena them, we just send a "notice to appear" type thing to their attorney. where's Katprint? :unsure: perhaps florida is different.... ok... i put my 2 cents in and back to lurking!! <stole your smilie>

Well we *know* things are different in California. :wink:

Since the motions were filed by the defense, why would the prosecution need witnesses? What purpose would George, Cindy, and Brad serve to refute these motions? They can only go on about how it's difficult (sniff) that they can't see Casey without the horrible (whine) videos being "leaked" to the media. Brad will be there to explain how devastated the Anthonys are - since returning from their cruise - that they need to see Casey without the intrusion by the (gasp) evil public. Nah - these are defense subpoenas, my guess.

I'm looking forward to the cross-examination by the prosecution, though. :D

But I will defer to Katprint.

[Spots]

TY for that info, I guess things have changed over the years. I know my girls had to have high SAT and ACT to attend even a state college in my state back in 1988 and 1991. Perhaps requirements have changed over the years.
Why did Lee not attend college if as "Cindy said he was in gifted classes"?

IIRC, Lee said he tried college and said it wasn't for him. It's in his depo, I believe. Don't make me go in there again. Ever.

[sunbunny]

Well we *know* things are different in California. :wink:

Since the motions were filed by the defense, why would the prosecution need witnesses? What purpose would George, Cindy, and Brad serve to refute these motions? They can only go on about how it's difficult (sniff) that they can't see Casey without the horrible (whine) videos being "leaked" to the media. Brad will be there to explain how devastated the Anthonys are - since returning from their cruise - that they need to see Casey without the intrusion by the (gasp) evil public. Nah - these are defense subpoenas, my guess.

I'm looking forward to the cross-examination by the prosecution, though.

But I will defer to Katprint.

BBM... i will defer to her as well. heck, for all i know... i could be working for her! i work in san francisco too!

i am sitting on pins and needles waiting for next friday! :w00t: as it is, by the time i get on my computer and settled in at the office, it will be noon EST, and the motions start at 9:00, right? i will have a TON of catching up to do. i hope *I* don't have to get stuck filing any motions that day!! :lol:

[Aunt]

Well we *know* things are different in California. :wink:

Since the motions were filed by the defense, why would the prosecution need witnesses? What purpose would George, Cindy, and Brad serve to refute these motions? They can only go on about how it's difficult (sniff) that they can't see Casey without the horrible (whine) videos being "leaked" to the media. Brad will be there to explain how devastated the Anthonys are - since returning from their cruise - that they need to see Casey without the intrusion by the (gasp) evil public. Nah - these are defense subpoenas, my guess.

I'm looking forward to the cross-examination by the prosecution, though. :D

But I will defer to Katprint.

Thats the door I'll pick too.

They are testifying for the defense, in support of their, as you say, sniff and whine.. family movies and the media presence (they couldnt even get off the cruise ship without a camera), waaaa

jmo

[BobbisAngel]

I believe too many parents are too busy or too unconcerned to take that active part in their adult childrens lives even though they might live at home.

My grown grandchildren still living at home with their parents , going to school and working still have to answer to their parents(my daughter and son in law).
But I have found out that many parents feel their kids should be able to take care of themselves financially when they graduate from HS.
I think they just want to be done with them emotionaly and financially.
I find that attitude appalling...it is hard enough to find a good job today without some kind of skills or further education.
My daughter has actually let some of these kids sleep and eat and bath in her home because they have no place to go .
IMO a mom is a mom and it never stops while still a breath in our bodies.
It is our duty and responsibility to teach principles first and foremost
"DO THE RIGHT THING" has been the mantra in this family.
Oh and all my grandkids' cars are in my daughter's name also....she told the ones going to school will get said vehicle in their name once they have their degree and until the working one pays his truck off it will stay in my daughters name.
It is not easy to be a parent but you gotta want to do the job right to start with.
Cindy never wanted to take the time or the bother to make Casey DO THE RIGHT THING.
Look at the result!


Unless a person has raised a child that is stubborn/strong willed as a mule and bound determined to do things their way it is easy to think that you can MAKE a child do what you want them to do. There are some children that you can not make do anything regardless of how you go at it or what you take away from them. I'm talking about a teenager...not a child that is out of high school. You can teach them principles and everything else and constantly run into a brick wall. It is unfair to blame parents in a lot of cases when they have a child that they can't control. You can be the best parents in the world and have a child that is totally out of control. Thankfully most of them do grow up and change and feel bad about the way they behaved when they were younger but until that time it can be hell.

I can only imagine what it must have been like living in the Anthony househeld. I do believe that Casey is a sociopath and it may not have made any difference if she had been raised by other parents. We will never know.

As far as the kids leaving home after they graduate...I can't blame some parents for looking forward to that time. Especially when the child has been a constant source of trouble. For some kids it takes moving out on their own...having to support themselves and learning what responsibility is all about...having to buy their own clothes...just being on their own to get their head together and straighten up. Sometimes that doesn't work either. I don't think just because we gave birth to our children that we owe them the rest of our lives. Especially if they show disrespect and refuse to follow our rules while living in our homes. You can love your children but for some they need to leave home when they turn of age...for the parents own sanity.

I think if Cindy had taken the car...Casey would have found someone to pick her and Caylee up. I doubt that anything could have made Casey do what was right. Put something in her way and she would have found a way to go around it.

[SayWhen]

Whoa! POPCORN!!!!! :w00t:

ROFL!! :lol: :lol:

[summer]

If it is a prosecution subpoena couldn't it have something to do with when Dom Casey worked for them and any kind of contract they had? Isn't DC's depo on the docket as well?

Realistically it's probably about the wah wah wah of why they don't want visits taped but...

[BettyC]

Well we *know* things are different in California. :wink:

Since the motions were filed by the defense, why would the prosecution need witnesses? What purpose would George, Cindy, and Brad serve to refute these motions? They can only go on about how it's difficult (sniff) that they can't see Casey without the horrible (whine) videos being "leaked" to the media. Brad will be there to explain how devastated the Anthonys are - since returning from their cruise - that they need to see Casey without the intrusion by the (gasp) evil public. Nah - these are defense subpoenas, my guess.

I'm looking forward to the cross-examination by the prosecution, though. :D

But I will defer to Katprint.

And if the Judge rules against the defense, George will storm out of court "again."

[Spots]

If it is a prosecution subpoena couldn't it have something to do with when Dom Casey worked for them and any kind of contract they had? Isn't DC's depo on the docket as well?

Realistically it's probably about the wah wah wah of why they don't want visits taped but...

If it were, then why subpoena Brad Conway? He didn't become their attorney until well after DCasey's antics, and would not have been party to his supposed "hiring."

[summer]

And if the Judge rules against the defense, George will storm out of court "again."

lol, "That question isn't relevant! You're trying to confuse me! Are you flipping me the bird? You're trying to destroy our family!"

Rinse and repeat.

[summer]

If it were, then why subpoena Brad Conway? He didn't become their attorney until well after DCasey's antics, and would not have been party to his supposed "hiring."

He wasn't their attorney when they had the video visits they want destroyed either. Who the heck knows? Maybe he's had dealings with DC since he was hired. It's anyone's guess.

[really3997]

He wasn't their attorney when they had the video visits they want destroyed either. Who the heck knows? Maybe he's had dealings with DC since he was hired. It's anyone's guess.

Maybe he is just there to get to the truth. That's all the anthony's want:w00t: nah just kidding.

[eastside joe]

It must just be a freakish attorney thing. I had plaster casts made of my big 9 month pregnant belly with both of my sons. I would have done casts of their cute little baby-butts if I had thought of it, because I think baby-butts are the cutest thing ever, but I only have tiny handprint casts. There are special kits they sell for making handprints or casts of the entire hand, but I don't recall seeing baby-butt kits. LOL!

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Thanks for your expert legal analysis of this topic Kat!! :biggrin:

[SayWhen]

If it is a prosecution subpoena couldn't it have something to do with when Dom Casey worked for them and any kind of contract they had? Isn't DC's depo on the docket as well?

Realistically it's probably about the wah wah wah of why they don't want visits taped but...

No matter the topic, no matter which side they testify for, it'll be a guaranteed hot mess to put either one of them on the stand, imo.

Suddenly, I find myself humming a tune from the movie Titanic. :sneaky:

[really3997]

No matter the topic, no matter which side they testify for, it'll be a guaranteed hot mess to put either one of them on the stand, imo.

Suddenly, I find myself humming a tune from the movie Titanic. :sneaky:

And what date is this hearing. Not the one that Burdick(SP) will not be there for correct:confused:

[summer]

Maybe he is just there to get to the truth. That's all the anthony's want:w00t: nah just kidding.

rofl! :laugh: ....

[SayWhen]

Maybe he is just there to get to the truth. That's all the anthony's want:w00t: nah just kidding.

ROFL! :laugh:

[Aunt]

In preparation of Cindy Anthony taking the stand, may I suggest
Step One in a Twelve Step process.

If YOU dare.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqccQJpuKVU


:tonguewag:

[SayWhen]

And what date is this hearing. Not the one that Burdick(SP) will not be there for correct:confused:

Well, I assume we're still talking about the one a week from today ... but I've been gone a couple hours. :huh:

[FindAnswers]

No matter the topic, no matter which side they testify for, it'll be a guaranteed hot mess to put either one of them on the stand, imo.

Suddenly, I find myself humming a tune from the movie Titanic. :sneaky:
Hi Say. I agree. they are going to get the Anthony's making statements under oath this time. It doesn't matter who or what side is calling them to testify. I can't wait. BTW This hearing will be televised right?

[summer]

Uh oh, I think we really are sisters, sis. :smile:

[summer]

No matter the topic, no matter which side they testify for, it'll be a guaranteed hot mess to put either one of them on the stand, imo.

Suddenly, I find myself humming a tune from the movie Titanic. :sneaky:

I hope it's in surroundsound. That's my only request. :biggrin:

[need2no]

Prosecutors In Casey Case Shoot Down Defense Motion

The defense wants some of the charges thrown out on the grounds that Casey shouldn't face multiple charges for each check she's accused of stealing from her former best friend and cashing them.

But prosecutors say each charge is a separate crime, with separate evidence, and should stand.

http://www.wftv.com/news/21868122/detail.html


State’s response:
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21869179/detail.html

[really3997]

In preparation of Cindy Anthony taking the stand, may I suggest
Step One in a Twelve Step process.

If YOU dare.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqccQJpuKVU


:tonguewag:

Ok I went for it. please telll me the ramblings will be at a minimum:ohmy:

[SayWhen]

Hi Say. I agree. they are going to get the Anthony's making statements under oath this time. It doesn't matter who or what side is calling them to testify. I can't wait. BTW This hearing will be televised right?

Hey Reb!

Yep, it should be televised. InSession, I would imagine. It'll also be live streamed from the usual Orlando stations. Just show up here and we'll hook you up with links. :wink:

[BettyC]

It must just be a freakish attorney thing. I had plaster casts made of my big 9 month pregnant belly with both of my sons. I would have done casts of their cute little baby-butts if I had thought of it, because I think baby-butts are the cutest thing ever, but I only have tiny handprint casts. There are special kits they sell for making handprints or casts of the entire hand, but I don't recall seeing baby-butt kits. LOL!

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Ummm Do you think they are too old now Kat?

http://baby-bellys.com/_wsn/page4.html

[SayWhen]

Uh oh, I think we really are sisters, sis. :smile:

I saw that! :laugh:

[Dovey]

IIRC, Lee said he tried college and said it wasn't for him. It's in his depo, I believe. Don't make me go in there again. Ever.

Naw I won't, I'll take it as your expert word.
TYVM

[Katprint]

Well we *know* things are different in California. :wink:

Since the motions were filed by the defense, why would the prosecution need witnesses? What purpose would George, Cindy, and Brad serve to refute these motions? They can only go on about how it's difficult (sniff) that they can't see Casey without the horrible (whine) videos being "leaked" to the media. Brad will be there to explain how devastated the Anthonys are - since returning from their cruise - that they need to see Casey without the intrusion by the (gasp) evil public. Nah - these are defense subpoenas, my guess.

I'm looking forward to the cross-examination by the prosecution, though. :D

But I will defer to Katprint.
Normally, motions are supported by written affidavits (declarations under oath.) The affidavits are basically equivalent to an offer of proof i.e. that if called to testify as a witness, they would testify to these facts. Generally the facts are not really in dispute - for example, interrogatory responses are late or a deponent did not show up or whatever - and the judge merely applies the law to the undisputed facts and makes a ruling. When facts are REALLY in dispute - in my personal experience, I have seen a single witness sign two factually conflicting affidavits! - the judge can either refer the matter to a special magistrate or set the matter for an evidentiary hearing. Then, each side puts on its documents/witnesses/whatever other evidence supporting its position and there is a mini-trial ultimately resulting in an official decision about the issue.

So, it would not surprise me if the prosecution wants to call witnesses to contradict the claims made in the defense's moving papers. Frequently people sign papers that attorneys have asked them to sign then when they are called as a witness they testify differently from what those papers say. Similarly, one witness will testify to one story and a different witness will testify to the complete opposite story. However, calling witnesses to testify is not normally part of a hearing on a motion; instead of the usual 5 minutes for a motion hearing, a contested evidentiary hearing can take hours or even days.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Spots]

Prosecutors In Casey Case Shoot Down Defense Motion

The defense wants some of the charges thrown out on the grounds that Casey shouldn't face multiple charges for each check she's accused of stealing from her former best friend and cashing them.

But prosecutors say each charge is a separate crime, with separate evidence, and should stand.

http://www.wftv.com/news/21868122/detail.html


State’s response:
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21869179/detail.html

Works for me.

[FindAnswers]

Hey Reb!

Yep, it should be televised. InSession, I would imagine. It'll also be live streamed from the usual Orlando stations. Just show up here and we'll hook you up with links. :wink:

SHHH lol Thanks. I figured it would be televised. I'll have my popcorn ready.

[SayWhen]

<snipped to address>

However, calling witnesses to testify is not normally part of a hearing on a motion; instead of the usual 5 minutes for a motion hearing, a contested evidentiary hearing can take hours or even days.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

This won't do. I have a dental appointment late morning. :mad:

[kakax]

lol, "That question isn't relevant! You're trying to confuse me! Are you flipping me the bird? You're trying to destroy our family!"

Rinse and repeat.

:laugh: George is that you?

[Katprint]

Ummm Do you think they are too old now Kat?

http://baby-bellys.com/_wsn/page4.html
Well, my daughters from my first marriage are 25, 24 and 22 year olds. So, yeah, I think they are too old. LOL! My sons from my current marriage are now 4 and 7 years old so they are probably too old too although naturally I still think every part of them is cute.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Aunt]

Ok I went for it. please telll me the ramblings will be at a minimum:ohmy:

Im revisiting the youtube theory of Cindy Anthonys lemonade stand by
albatross234. Worth a listen. This lady is a flab!
(and her dog!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upCQCaCnmwU&feature=related

[really3997]

Normally, motions are supported by written affidavits (declarations under oath.) The affidavits are basically equivalent to an offer of proof i.e. that if called to testify as a witness, they would testify to these facts. Generally the facts are not really in dispute - for example, interrogatory responses are late or a deponent did not show up or whatever - and the judge merely applies the law to the undisputed facts and makes a ruling. When facts are REALLY in dispute - in my personal experience, I have seen a single witness sign two factually conflicting affidavits! - the judge can either refer the matter to a special magistrate or set the matter for an evidentiary hearing. Then, each side puts on its documents/witnesses/whatever other evidence supporting its position and there is a mini-trial ultimately resulting in an official decision about the issue.

So, it would not surprise me if the prosecution wants to call witnesses to contradict the claims made in the defense's moving papers. Frequently people sign papers that attorneys have asked them to sign then when they are called as a witness they testify differently from what those papers say. Similarly, one witness will testify to one story and a different witness will testify to the complete opposite story. However, calling witnesses to testify is not normally part of a hearing on a motion; instead of the usual 5 minutes for a motion hearing, a contested evidentiary hearing can take hours or even days.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Wow that is going to be a lot of popcorn. Question Kat. do you think this is a good move or will it backfire

[ladeebug565]

Nobody believed Cindy anyway -- so she wasn't considered stupid, just a liar like her daughter. Even her brother Rick, as well as Richard Grund spotted it immediately as BS. She's just an in-your-face-and-what-are-you-gonna-do-about-it LIAR. People told her they knew she was full of it but there really weren't any steps to take, except for JG getting a paternity test. I'm sure he genuflects at his dad's feet hourly for that one.

When Cindy is asked about Caylee's father, she starts babbling about going to an attorney and getting papers to be the baby's guardian should anything happen to Casey. Of course, we've not seen these papers.

I never understood her evasiveness in this regard. Why wouldn't Cindy and George expect the baby daddy to step up to the plate and support his child? Why not demand Casey tell them who the baby daddy so they could get him to sign away his parental rights if he wasn't interested.

I don't believe for a minute that a qualified attorney would say that regardless of the paternity, she/he would prepare papers to give guardianship to the grandparents. Wouldn't the attorney say that they need to contact the father first?

Either you don't know who the father is because you've slept around, or you do know and there is shame related to indentity. Why would you not want what is best for you child/granchild (i.e, knowing both parents if possible, child support - which Cindy referred to as "alimony" -, benefits, dependent Social Security, inheritance)?

Does this alleged obituary really exist? Has the young man's family been contacted?

[Spots]

Normally, motions are supported by written affidavits (declarations under oath.) The affidavits are basically equivalent to an offer of proof i.e. that if called to testify as a witness, they would testify to these facts. Generally the facts are not really in dispute - for example, interrogatory responses are late or a deponent did not show up or whatever - and the judge merely applies the law to the undisputed facts and makes a ruling. When facts are REALLY in dispute - in my personal experience, I have seen a single witness sign two factually conflicting affidavits! - the judge can either refer the matter to a special magistrate or set the matter for an evidentiary hearing. Then, each side puts on its documents/witnesses/whatever other evidence supporting its position and there is a mini-trial ultimately resulting in an official decision about the issue.

So, it would not surprise me if the prosecution wants to call witnesses to contradict the claims made in the defense's moving papers. Frequently people sign papers that attorneys have asked them to sign then when they are called as a witness they testify differently from what those papers say. Similarly, one witness will testify to one story and a different witness will testify to the complete opposite story. However, calling witnesses to testify is not normally part of a hearing on a motion; instead of the usual 5 minutes for a motion hearing, a contested evidentiary hearing can take hours or even days.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Ummmmmm, okay. But what would/could they testify to? There are no real "facts" presented by the motions (other than legal arguments and case citations). The Anthonys are hardly legal experts to testify to the constitutionality of the Death Penalty. This leaves the video stuff. Again, they are not experts, so the best they can do is whine that they miss Casey, blah blah blah. I see this as Jose's way of supporting his motions to not tape/destroy tapes.

But I was wrong once before. :wink:

[BettyC]

Well, my daughters from my first marriage are 25, 24 and 22 year olds. So, yeah, I think they are too old. LOL! My sons from my current marriage are now 4 and 7 years old so they are probably too old too although naturally I still think every part of them is cute.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Of course. I agree.

I just couldn't imagine how a 20-something, or teenager for that matter, would feel if their little cheeks were displayed on a wall somewhere in the house and their friends saw it. lol

[ladeebug565]

I have ZERO sympathy for the ENTIRE Anthony family.

The ONLY sympathy I have is for Caylee, first for being born to this family, and then to be murdered by her mother and then her memory being disrespected by her grandparents and uncle.

ZERO!

Had they handled the situation differently, I would certainly have loads of sympathy for the Anthonys. How tragic to have your granddaughter murdered. I understand sticking by your child through thick and thin, but what they have done is pathological and downright illegal.

Now, if they want sympathy, they'll only find it between s*** and syphilis in the dictionary!

[summer]

When Cindy is asked about Caylee's father, she starts babbling about going to an attorney and getting papers to be the baby's guardian should anything happen to Casey. Of course, we've not seen these papers.

I never understood her evasiveness in this regard. Why wouldn't Cindy and George expect the baby daddy to step up to the plate and support his child? Why not demand Casey tell them who the baby daddy so they could get him to sign away his parental rights if he wasn't interested.

I don't believe for a minute that a qualified attorney would say that regardless of the paternity, she/he would prepare papers to give guardianship to the grandparents. Wouldn't the attorney say that they need to contact the father first?

Either you don't know who the father is because you've slept around, or you do know and there is shame related to indentity. Why would you not want what is best for you child/granchild (i.e, knowing both parents if possible, child support - which Cindy referred to as "alimony" -, benefits, dependent Social Security, inheritance)?

Does this alleged obituary really exist? Has the young man's family been contacted?

Oh but they had the obituary, remember? It's right there on the computer in Casey's office at Univer... oh wait. It was the other Universal, the one with the condos and the swimming pool! That's the ticket.

Don't mean to be snarky ladeebug but honestly with all these liarpants who can say?

[really3997]

When Cindy is asked about Caylee's father, she starts babbling about going to an attorney and getting papers to be the baby's guardian should anything happen to Casey. Of course, we've not seen these papers.

I never understood her evasiveness in this regard. Why wouldn't Cindy and George expect the baby daddy to step up to the plate and support his child? Why not demand Casey tell them who the baby daddy so they could get him to sign away his parental rights if he wasn't interested.

I don't believe for a minute that a qualified attorney would say that regardless of the paternity, she/he would prepare papers to give guardianship to the grandparents. Wouldn't the attorney say that they need to contact the father first?

Either you don't know who the father is because you've slept around, or you do know and there is shame related to indentity. Why would you not want what is best for you child/granchild (i.e, knowing both parents if possible, child support - which Cindy referred to as "alimony" -, benefits, dependent Social Security, inheritance)?

Does this alleged obituary really exist? Has the young man's family been contacted?

IIRC I think it was figured out that it did not happen. No attorney prepared anything. but I could be wrong..lets see

[Spots]

When Cindy is asked about Caylee's father, she starts babbling about going to an attorney and getting papers to be the baby's guardian should anything happen to Casey. Of course, we've not seen these papers.

I never understood her evasiveness in this regard. Why wouldn't Cindy and George expect the baby daddy to step up to the plate and support his child? Why not demand Casey tell them who the baby daddy so they could get him to sign away his parental rights if he wasn't interested.

I don't believe for a minute that a qualified attorney would say that regardless of the paternity, she/he would prepare papers to give guardianship to the grandparents. Wouldn't the attorney say that they need to contact the father first?

Either you don't know who the father is because you've slept around, or you do know and there is shame related to indentity. Why would you not want what is best for you child/granchild (i.e, knowing both parents if possible, child support - which Cindy referred to as "alimony" -, benefits, dependent Social Security, inheritance)?

Does this alleged obituary really exist? Has the young man's family been contacted?

Neither has the attorney. He denied that he drew up such papers.

They all lie about it because (a) they know who the father is and it's embarrassing, or (b) they haven't a clue who the father is.

[really3997]

Neither has the attorney. He denied that he drew up such papers.

They all lie about it because (a) they know who the father is and it's embarrassing, or (b) they haven't a clue who the father is.

:confused: well which is it

[summer]

Normally, motions are supported by written affidavits (declarations under oath.) The affidavits are basically equivalent to an offer of proof i.e. that if called to testify as a witness, they would testify to these facts. Generally the facts are not really in dispute - for example, interrogatory responses are late or a deponent did not show up or whatever - and the judge merely applies the law to the undisputed facts and makes a ruling. When facts are REALLY in dispute - in my personal experience, I have seen a single witness sign two factually conflicting affidavits! - the judge can either refer the matter to a special magistrate or set the matter for an evidentiary hearing. Then, each side puts on its documents/witnesses/whatever other evidence supporting its position and there is a mini-trial ultimately resulting in an official decision about the issue.

So, it would not surprise me if the prosecution wants to call witnesses to contradict the claims made in the defense's moving papers. Frequently people sign papers that attorneys have asked them to sign then when they are called as a witness they testify differently from what those papers say. Similarly, one witness will testify to one story and a different witness will testify to the complete opposite story. However, calling witnesses to testify is not normally part of a hearing on a motion; instead of the usual 5 minutes for a motion hearing, a contested evidentiary hearing can take hours or even days.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

KP, is it possible that G&C and even Conway don't know exactly what questions will be addressed to them on what motions? (If they are prosecution subpoenas?) I think that's pretty funny. They're probably cramming every possible angle right now... :laugh:

[Spots]

:confused: well which is it

(b)

I think.

Casey doesn't seem to be the sort to demand a name before... well, you know.

[summer]

Neither has the attorney. He denied that he drew up such papers.

They all lie about it because (a) they know who the father is and it's embarrassing, or (b) they haven't a clue who the father is.

I choose (a) spots.

[Katprint]

Wow that is going to be a lot of popcorn. Question Kat. do you think this is a good move or will it backfire
Normally, before an attorney calls a witness, the attorney speaks to the person to find out what they have to say (although sometimes they still testify differently than you expect them to.) I have no idea what these witnesses will say under oath - it will probably be somewhat different from the attorneys' preprinted affidavit with a signature blank at the bottom - so I have no idea if it is a good move or will backfire.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[really3997]

I choose (a) spots.

ok you and spots are not in agreement I go with a and b then:confused:

[adair]

http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/

not sure if this has been posted yet



Good Evening Everyone!!!


I hope other posters are still awake.....

Can anyone explain to me WHY Conway would have any business reviewing the information that Mr N provided about the people that searched for Caylee. His clients are not on trial.

TIA

[summer]

Neither has the attorney. He denied that he drew up such papers.

They all lie about it because (a) they know who the father is and it's embarrassing, or (b) they haven't a clue who the father is.

See this is what freaks me out about them. They say something as fact that can be so easily confirmed. And it turns out to be a lie. A bold-faced lie. Probably took LE about 5 minutes to figure that one out.

This is why Casey is what she is. They just look you in the face and LIE about the simplest things. It's insane.

[SayWhen]

Well, my daughters from my first marriage are 25, 24 and 22 year olds. So, yeah, I think they are too old. LOL! My sons from my current marriage are now 4 and 7 years old so they are probably too old too although naturally I still think every part of them is cute.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Well, if you do try to get the little guys to sit down in some wet cement, I hope you'll report back. I'd love to hear the 7 year old's reaction, especially! :lol:

[Spots]

ok you and spots are not in agreement I go with a and b then:confused:

Time will tell.

Or not.

[summer]

ok you and spots are not in agreement I go with a and b then:confused:

I see you've got the diplomatic skills to go with your crown, princess. Nice! :smile:

[Aunt]

whats that..?

I hear the karma bus.

Beeeep Beeeep! :hat:

:scared:

One for Caylee for Dec 11th. :rose:

[Katprint]

KP, is it possible that G&C and even Conway don't know exactly what questions will be addressed to them on what motions? (If they are prosecution subpoenas?) I think that's pretty funny. They're probably cramming every possible angle right now... :laugh:
I don't think G&C have a clue. I think Hornsby's "Clueless Wonder" title applies not just to Baez but to many of the defense sympathizers as well. God only knows what they will testify to; their story is different every time they open their mouths. I think Conway is savvy enough to see what's coming but the Anthonys are terribly difficult for him (or anyone, even well respected, experienced attorneys like Terence Lenamon or Mark Nejame) to control.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[really3997]

Time will tell.

Or not.

:cuss:your killing me. I dont think we will find out jmo of course

[really3997]

I see you've got the diplomatic skills to go with your crown, princess. Nice! :smile:

:biggrinjester: Yes I do strive for that. sooo you think we will find out who do you think the babydaddy is? any guesses

[ladeebug565]

Bug, it just bothers me that Amy was willing to go along with it -- which makes me wonder if she was used to being "unaware" of her actions, such as drinking too much or using other substances. No one could convince me that I'd walked in my sleep, changed my pj's or clothes, or spent $400 that I had no recollection of spending. :confused:

Apparently, you've never taken the sleeping medicine, Ambien. My brother woke up in his car in the parking lot of his business. I was taking it and was doing compulsive eating and I don't remember it, but found the wrappers on my nightstand in the morning. Whatever you have the propensity for (gambling, overeating, sleepwalking), you can do in your sleep on Ambien. Scary stuff.

For a young healthy woman, there would either have a history of sleepwalking or there was use of an intoxicant. I admit to black outs in my youth from drinking; it happens.