Death Row Inmates Quincy Jovan Allen,30 & Mikal Mahdi,26, Stab Guard

[tootie]

I am just flabbergasted at how 2 death row inmates were able to get or make a knife and stab a guard. No one came to the guards aid until he got back inside? And then it took chemical munitions to subdue them? You would think there would have been more than one guard watching them or a guard watching the guard and the death row inmates. Too many questions with this one.

http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2009/dec/03/officer-stable-after-stabbing-attack/

[crocdog1]

IMO, the big problem is finances.

Sad it is to say, the States just do not have the money to hire enough guards for our prisons.

[tootie]

IMO, the big problem is finances.

Sad it is to say, the States just do not have the money to hire enough guards for our prisons.

Your probably right but then the thing to do would be to carry out these death sentences before they carry out anymore deaths.

[crocdog1]

Your probably right but then the thing to do would be to carry out these death sentences before they carry out anymore deaths.

I, too, wish this were so, but alas, it is not going to happen.

Our Criminal Justice System is such, that the rights of the DR inmates are more important than the deadly harm they can do while still alive.

It now takes years, even decades, as their appeals filter up and down through our court system again and again and again.

[Details]

Your probably right but then the thing to do would be to carry out these death sentences before they carry out anymore deaths.We've had enough errors that the appeals process is very necessary still. I'd like to see it sped up, streamlined, and made more open to appeals that prove innocence (right now, you could have DNA proof you didn't do it - and it's a battle to admit that).

Problem is, you've got a bunch of violent criminals, with absolutely nothing to do with their time but think about ways to make weapons. It's really tough to prevent them from finding something to use to make a weapon with. A plastic fork, a toothbrush, part of a toilet seat, a screw, etc.

[Fairef]

IMO, the big problem is finances.

Sad it is to say, the States just do not have the money to hire enough guards for our prisons.

Surprised that death row inmates even get yard time. In the prison I worked in (max security, including death row) - recreation time was one hour in a room with a bar, by yourself, and two officers escorted you there in leg irons and cuffs and then locked you in that room while you exercised.

[tootie]

We've had enough errors that the appeals process is very necessary still. I'd like to see it sped up, streamlined, and made more open to appeals that prove innocence (right now, you could have DNA proof you didn't do it - and it's a battle to admit that).

Problem is, you've got a bunch of violent criminals, with absolutely nothing to do with their time but think about ways to make weapons. It's really tough to prevent them from finding something to use to make a weapon with. A plastic fork, a toothbrush, part of a toilet seat, a screw, etc.

I know. You could give them a corn cob to use as toliet paper and I'd say they would find a way to make that into a weapon.


Surprised that death row inmates even get yard time. In the prison I worked in (max security, including death row) - recreation time was one hour in a room with a bar, by yourself, and two officers escorted you there in leg irons and cuffs and then locked you in that room while you exercised.

I always thought that DP inmates were put in a small for lack of better words "cage" and were let out for 1 hour a day. Every state must be different. I like the leg irons and cuff idea. Maybe they will review how this incident came about and improve their security before someone gets killed.

[NelsonJ]

Seems one of them is used to making things from metal, i.e. handcuff keys.
Read all about their crimes.
http://www.thestate.com/local/story/1054106.htmlhttp://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/opi/viewoffender.do?method=view&offenderID=0783722&searchLastName=allen&searchFirstName=quincy&searchMiddleName=j&searchGender=M&listurl=pagelistoffendersearchresults&listpage=1
NC DOC page for QA
http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/opi/viewoffender.do?method=view&offenderID=0783722&searchLastName=allen&searchFirstName=quincy&searchMiddleName=j&searchGender=M&listurl=pagelistoffendersearchresults&listpage=1

[NelsonJ]

Seems one of them is used to making things from metal, i.e. handcuff keys.
Read all about their crimes.
http://www.thestate.com/local/story/1054106.htmlhttp://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/opi/viewoffender.do?method=view&offenderID=0783722&searchLastName=allen&searchFirstName=quincy&searchMiddleName=j&searchGender=M&listurl=pagelistoffendersearchresults&listpage=1
NC DOC page for QA
http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/opi/viewoffender.do?method=view&offenderID=0783722&searchLastName=allen&searchFirstName=quincy&searchMiddleName=j&searchGender=M&listurl=pagelistoffendersearchresults&listpage=1
First link was an error, it should be:
http://www.thestate.com/local/story/1054106.html

[tootie]

First link was an error, it should be:
http://www.thestate.com/local/story/1054106.html

Thanks for the links NelsonJ. It just baffles me as to how being in a cell for 23 hours a day that they could get a hold of something of that nature. :confused:

I have watched a show on how inmates send letters to each other via string and a sling under the door. Maybe that is how?

I wonder why/if they targeted this particular guard. Like maybe what their objective was in carrying out the attack....

I would like to know this as well. I want to say there had to be a reason but I guess when dealing with people like this it could of just been for pure spite.

[NelsonJ]

I wonder why/if they targeted this particular guard. Like maybe what their objective was in carrying out the attack....

Likely the same objective they had for the murders that landed them on death row.

[NelsonJ]

Thanks for the links NelsonJ. It just baffles me as to how being in a cell for 23 hours a day that they could get a hold of something of that nature. :confused:

I have watched a show on how inmates send letters to each other via string and a sling under the door. Maybe that is how?



I would like to know this as well. I want to say there had to be a reason but I guess when dealing with people like this it could of just been for pure spite.

YW for the link.
Compared to the crimes they were on death row for, this attack seemed to be part of their nature.

[Idiodia09]

does anyone have a track list to this death row box set?

[gnm109]

I agree that appeals should be expedited for death row inmates. These two have only been on death row for four anf five years, respectively. In the scheme of things, that's a rather short time.

Here in California, I read recently that a man who was sentenced to death 26 years ago just had his last appeal turned down by the State Supreme Court. That's getting to be typical and there are close to 700 persons waiting the death penalty with more coming every week. Most of them die of old age.

When prisoners are in a cell 23 hours a day, they have little else to do other than plot how to hurt the guards. Altough they will probably be charged with assault and attempted murder, it will be an utter waste of time. After all, what more can the authorities do to them, sentence them to death?