4 officers shot dead at coffee shop in LAKEWOOD [THREAD #1 - 11/29 thru 12/2]

[VC2]

anyone have news on this?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,577691,00.html

[Anakerie]

I just stumbled on this story from one of the people I follow on Twitter:

Four police officers shot dead at Lakewood coffee shop
http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/breaking/story/973573.html

Is it the same story? I'm not that familiar with that area.

ETA: I just did some looking around on google maps and the two towns, Parkland and Lakewood are neighboring towns, both near McChord AFB.

[Anakerie]

I just got a breaking news report by email.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h6HGmTEc_kIALqJfG0r_WSGGFGZgD9C9B1VO1
snippet


Prayers for the wounded. Praying also that the shooter is found and arrested.

From what I'm seeing on twitter, all four officers are dead. They (the news reporters who are on twitter) are calling it an ambush.. All four officers shot and slain in the parking lot of the coffee shop. Will try to find some better info (links).

[tootie]

Oh wow. Prayers for the friends and families of the victim. Have they caught who done this?

[Anakerie]

Oh wow. Prayers for the friends and families of the victim. Have they caught who done this?
Not as far as I can tell from any of the news items I've seen. Nor have any of the twitter people said anything about the killer(s) being caught.

KOMO news says that they will be updating their site as more information comes in:
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/78088192.html

[CelticDawn]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8385421.stm

Four police officers have been shot dead near the McChord Air Force Base in Washington State, US media and police say.

A sheriff's department spokesman told KOMO-TV that the officers were shot at the east side of the air force base.

The officers were ambushed as they were at a coffee shop, police say.

A sheriff spokesman described the shooting as an ambush. The air force base is in Pierce County, 40 miles south of Seattle.

Pierce County Sheriff's spokesman Ed Troyer told local media that the officers had been in the coffee shop with their computers when the attacker entered on Sunday morning.

He said it is believed that the officers had been targeted and the incident was not a robbery


That is from the BBC

[Anakerie]

For those who are on twitter, here's a Seattle reporter that is posting updates:

http://twitter.com/JonRepp

Here's his latest tweet:
All 4 officers in coffeeshop in Parkland, working on reports when they were ambushed, fatally shot. No word on suspect(s)

[AJandTam]

Wow, thanks for bringing this over here. I had not heard about this yet. This was an area i'm really familiar w/.. We lived not far from there when we were in Washington state. I'd like to know a few details.. Weird when something like this happens in places you know.

[tootie]

Not as far as I can tell from any of the news items I've seen. Nor have any of the twitter people said anything about the killer(s) being caught.

KOMO news says that they will be updating their site as more information comes in:
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/78088192.html

Thanks for the update.

Not two miles from my home this happened this morning. I was a member of this Sheriffs Department many years ago. No suspects have been caught and the description of the automobile they used is sketchy.

Holy cow that is scary. Please lock your doors and windows. And don't answer the door for anyone.

[Anakerie]

I was watching Fox News a couple minutes ago and they reported that there were possibly 2 shooters, one white, one black. Fox also said that there was a briefing going on right now and the local affiliate was covering it.

HLN is on commercial break right now..

Here's a map showing the location:
http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=11401+Steele+Street+South,+Tacoma,+WA+98499&om=1&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=11401+Steele+St+S,+Tacoma,+Pierce,+Washingto n+98444&t=h&z=16

ETA: Another twitter source: http://twitter.com/KIRO7Seattle
Search now on for two suspects wanted for killing 4 officers at coffee shop. Command post at 112th St S. & Steele St. S.$10,000 reward.

[CelticDawn]

are there any Islamic groups....like maybe splinter groups that separated from a "mainstream' mosque in the area?.....

The one black, and one white gives an impression among some LE groups that it is either religious or a drug-related issue. I have heard this explanation before.


My opinion is that it is quite possible.

[Anakerie]

are there any Islamic groups....like maybe splinter groups that separated from a "mainstream' mosque in the area?.....

The one black, and one white gives an impression among some LE groups that it is either religious or a drug-related issue. I have heard this explanation before.


My opinion is that it is quite possible.
The comments below one of the articles (Can't remember which one, sorry!) I read earlier were speculating about gang bangers or druggies going after the cops.

It's all so confusing right now... This article only talks about one suspect:
http://www.king5.com/news/local/Police-officers-shot-78089882.html

[Anakerie]

There's always a reason although none ever make sense. I hope it's not a repeat of the tragedy at Ft. Hood recently.
I don't think it's a repeat of the Ft. Hood tragedy. One of the reports I watched earlier (Don't remember if it was on TV or on one of the links.) said that the four officers were specifically targeted. There were other people in the coffee shop and no one else was hit. Just the four officers. :sad:

[VC2]

The comments below one of the articles (Can't remember which one, sorry!) I read earlier were speculating about gang bangers or druggies going after the cops.

It's all so confusing right now... This article only talks about one suspect:
http://www.king5.com/news/local/Police-officers-shot-78089882.html

That would be really unusual. Gangs don't like to give LE every reason to harass from the second they leave the house to the second they get out of bed. It is one thing if its a shootout but that isnt the case.

Same with druggies, they deal with them as necessary evils but don't go out of their way to draw attention to themselves.

IMO

[Anakerie]

Don't know how long it will last, but here is a live video report from one of the local tv stations:

http://www.kirotv.com/video/21753219/index.html

[rockinbird53]

Some information should be showing up on this site in a day or so.

http://www.odmp.org/year.php

My heart breaks everytime I hear of a law enforcment officer being shot.
:sad:

[CelticDawn]

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Celtic, I think you may be way off base here. There are no Mosques in the vicinity of the scene of the shooting. The Muslim community in Pierce county is small and very respectful. I have not heard of any splinter groups and I have lived here for 62 years. Frankly your comment smacks of racial profiling and that is not fair, and I doubt that it is drug related as well.

well, I apologize, but that is what happens in some cases. It has nothing to do with racism, it has to do with the circumstances of two crimminals(of those races) being together and IF it is the cawe, then it is NO REFLECTION of the norm...nor is it a smack at your region....it is what it is, and so far, we are all speculating.

[LisaM22]

are there any Islamic groups....like maybe splinter groups that separated from a "mainstream' mosque in the area?.....

The one black, and one white gives an impression among some LE groups that it is either religious or a drug-related issue. I have heard this explanation before.


My opinion is that it is quite possible.

can't say anything about their religious beliefs, but I would bet they were not racists based on the information so far....

[Anakerie]

I'm still listening to the live video on the link I posted earlier.. They just announced that of the four victims, 3 were male officers and 1 was a female officer and all four were from the Lakewood police department.


ETA: Here's the link again:
http://www.kirotv.com/video/21753219/index.html

and the mfile link to the same video coverage:
http://mfile.akamai.com/12926/live/reflector:36238.asx

[sunstar]

This is absolutely horrendous. :cursing:

God bless them. :rose: :rose:

[emdragon]

All happening 2 hours from me- so far minute to minute coverage on both KIRO Channel 7 and KING5

Many other active scenes being worked right now aside from the coffee shop itself. There is activity around a house nearby.

All of this has occurred less than a month after Seattle had an officer murdered on Halloween just watching trick-or-treaters.

So far we know all 4 are out of the Lakewood dept.b3 men and 1 woman

[CelticDawn]

can't say anything about their religious beliefs, but I would bet they were not racists based on the information so far....

that was not what I was saying, I was told that what I said smacked of racial profiling and I was explaining that
two crimminals of different races are either drug associated or from a religious group ....and since the word race was read, it was accused of being racist....not that the shooting of the police officers was racist.


People just read things differently or dont thoroughly read, I suppose.

[sunstar]

All happening 2 hours from me- so far minute to minute coverage on both KIRO Channel 7 and KING5

Many other active scenes being worked right now aside from the coffee shop itself. There is activity around a house nearby.

All of this has occurred less than a month after Seattle had an officer murdered on Halloween just watching trick-or-treaters.

So far we know all 4 are out of the Lakewood dept.b3 men and 1 woman

I also read that they were wearing bullet-proof vests and it's not known if they had a chance to return fire. :cursing:

[sunstar]

"Authorities scoured the area for the gunman, who is believed to have fled on foot or by car. The suspect was described as a "scruffy"-looking black man in his 20s or 30s, 5 feet 7 to 5 feet 10, wearing a black coat ands blue jeans."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34194122/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

It seems they're looking for one suspect?

[Anakerie]

I also read that they were wearing bullet-proof vests and it's not known if they had a chance to return fire. :cursing:
I heard on the live video that all four officers were in uniform and were wearing their vests. The spokesman, Ed Troyer, who was answering questions couldn't say whether or not the officers were even able to draw their guns. He said that as more information became available, the media would be updated.

[Anakerie]

"Authorities scoured the area for the gunman, who is believed to have fled on foot or by car. The suspect was described as a "scruffy"-looking black man in his 20s or 30s, 5 feet 7 to 5 feet 10, wearing a black coat ands blue jeans."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34194122/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

It seems they're looking for one suspect?
Thats what I'm hearing too... Just the one guy you described. The spokesman said that they aren't ruling out a second suspect yet, though. No description or anything of a second person that I've seen or heard yet.

[Anakerie]

Celtic,

I am not Muslim. I am a white caucasian Christian male and I stand by my statement. Have to go now, just got called out by Search and Rescue.
Be careful out there, Eagle!

[sunstar]

Thats what I'm hearing too... Just the one guy you described. The spokesman said that they aren't ruling out a second suspect yet, though. No description or anything of a second person that I've seen or heard yet.

Thanks ~ I was just wondering if the source I read from was behind the local news or not.

I'm seeing they may have located a vehicle possibly used by the suspect(s)?

"About 2 1/2 hours after the deadly ambush, officers identified a white Chevy pickup truck abandoned at 134th Street and Pacific Avenue South that is believed to be the one that the suspects fled in.

Soon after, there was a possible standoff reported between officers and one or more people inside a residence a few blocks away. It was not immediately known if the standoff is related to the police shootings."

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/78088192.html

[sunstar]

************

Locked and loaded Anakerie. I will. Later, gotta go.

Stay safe! :patriot:

[emdragon]

One suspect at this time- several people and locations being looked at and media has been asked not to air video of where and what they are doing so as not to tip off the shooter.

at least 5 agency's involved in the investigation with many others from around the state calling to offer help.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Wow, for their families:

:rose:

[Anakerie]

Thanks ~ I was just wondering if the source I read from was behind the local news or not.

I'm seeing they may have located a vehicle possibly used by the suspect(s)?

"About 2 1/2 hours after the deadly ambush, officers identified a white Chevy pickup truck abandoned at 134th Street and Pacific Avenue South that is believed to be the one that the suspects fled in.

Soon after, there was a possible standoff reported between officers and one or more people inside a residence a few blocks away. It was not immediately known if the standoff is related to the police shootings."

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/78088192.html
The spokesman, Ed Troyer was just giving more information and answering questions again. He didn't mention a vehicle or anything like that.. He did give warning to the media to stay away from the operations that are happening elsewhere because the cameras and reporters are getting in the way of the officers. They are afraid the reporters/cameras will cause harm to someone...

[bugout]

Absolutely horrific. I have concerns it was a soldier. It's the base vicinity. And I guess the recent other cases in the military. For some there is no way out of their service. So they take a route like this...

I wonder. :rose:

[emdragon]

Not sure what is happening but something is going on 10 or 11 police cars taking off sirens blaring--

[Anakerie]

Absolutely horrific. I have concerns it was a soldier. It's the base vicinity. And I guess the recent other cases in the military. For some there is no way out of their service. So they take a route like this...

I wonder. :rose:
The "scruffy" description of his face makes me doubt if it would be a soldier from the nearby base. :shrug:


WOW! The live feed just showed a BUNCH of patrol cars racing away from the coffee shop with lights and sirens.. One even drove THROUGH the police tape that is strung across the street!

[sunstar]

The spokesman, Ed Troyer was just giving more information and answering questions again. He didn't mention a vehicle or anything like that.. He did give warning to the media to stay away from the operations that are happening elsewhere because the cameras and reporters are getting in the way of the officers. They are afraid the reporters/cameras will cause harm to someone...

Thanks for the update. I'd imagine too the media could tip off the suspect.

[Chica]

I just got a breaking news report by email.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h6HGmTEc_kIALqJfG0r_WSGGFGZgD9C9B1VO1
snippet


Prayers for the wounded. Praying also that the shooter is found and arrested.

I did not read anyone was wounded. Where did you read that?

[sunstar]

The "scruffy" description of his face makes me doubt if it would be a soldier from the nearby base. :shrug:


WOW! The live feed just showed a BUNCH of patrol cars racing away from the coffee shop with lights and sirens.. One even drove THROUGH the police tape that is strung across the street!

I'm praying they've located the suspect! I don't think it's someone still on active duty either.

[Chica]

Absolutely horrific. I have concerns it was a soldier. It's the base vicinity. And I guess the recent other cases in the military. For some there is no way out of their service. So they take a route like this...

I wonder. :rose:

hmmmmmmmmmmm.. wonder who is the shooter?

[CelticDawn]

Celtic,

I am not Muslim. I am a white caucasian Christian male and I stand by my statement. Have to go now, just got called out by Search and Rescue.

My prayers are with you too.

Be careful out there.

[emdragon]

Yes, that was Officer Timothy Brenton. Wasn't the suspect in that case also charged with fire bombing several Seattle police cars?

JMO

correct. Sure people in Seattle can't help wondering if this is still connected.

The cars sped off on a 911 call- not sure what for but Off. Troyer will let the media know.

It is possible they are looking for a second suspect but not confirmed yet.

[sunstar]

http://www.examiner.com/x-25653-FBI-Examiner~y2009m11d29-FBI-joins-effort-to-find-killers-of-four-police-officers-in-Parkland-Wash

FBI involved in the search

Good view of the location of the coffee shop and how visible the patrol cars would be from the street.

[emdragon]

The families have been notified.

[2Hope4]

The families have been notified.

:crying: Just not fair!!! Why? Why? What purpose could anyone gain from killing 4 officers? Do they truly believe it will be worth it? No doubt they'll be apprehended soon, if not killed in a face off. Again I ask, was it worth it? I'll never understand this kind of tragedy. So very wrong.

Prayers with the families of those loved ones lost. :crying:

[sunstar]

The families have been notified.

:rose: My prayers are with them. :rose:

[emdragon]

The 911 call that drew such fast response was a caller claiming to be the shooter wanting to turn himself in- it was not the shooter.

At One location of interest the house was empty.

[sunstar]

:crying: Just not fair!!! Why? Why? What purpose could anyone gain from killing 4 officers? Do they truly believe it will be worth it? No doubt they'll be apprehended soon, if not killed in a face off. Again I ask, was it worth it? I'll never understand this kind of tragedy. So very wrong.

Prayers with the families of those loved ones lost. :crying:
(bolding mine)

That would be justice, imo.

[Anakerie]

The 911 call that drew such fast response was a caller claiming to be the shooter wanting to turn himself in- it was not the shooter.

At One location of interest the house was empty.

Thank you, emdragon. My feed froze up just as Mr. Troyer started talking about the response.

[MsBondJamesBond]

well, I apologize, but that is what happens in some cases. It has nothing to do with racism, it has to do with the circumstances of two crimminals(of those races) being together and IF it is the cawe, then it is NO REFLECTION of the norm...nor is it a smack at your region....it is what it is, and so far, we are all speculating.
So many assumptions, so little time. What was it about Eagleeye's post that made you make assumptions about the poster's religion?

I'd say you are jumping the gun and perhaps it would be a good idea to wait for some facts.

[Anakerie]

On the live feed I just saw some folks with "Search and Rescue" on the backs of their jackets. I wonder if one of them was Eagleeye?

http://mfile.akamai.com/12926/live/reflector:36238.asx

[emdragon]

On the live feed I just saw some folks with "Search and Rescue" on the backs of their jackets. I wonder if one of them was Eagleeye?

http://mfile.akamai.com/12926/live/reflector:36238.asx

Good bet it might have been. It is Eagle scouts that they have out doing routine ground searches/

[RootBeer]

well, I apologize, but that is what happens in some cases. It has nothing to do with racism, it has to do with the circumstances of two crimminals(of those races) being together and IF it is the cawe, then it is NO REFLECTION of the norm...nor is it a smack at your region....it is what it is, and so far, we are all speculating.

I agree and appreciate reading all points of view or points of speculation.

[VC2]

Good bet it might have been. It is Eagle scouts that they have out doing routine ground searches/

uh they do? with an armed shooter at large?

i guess i find that rather disturbing

[Anakerie]

uh they do? with an armed shooter at large?

i guess i find that rather disturbing
The spokesman said that the searchers would be "clearing" the fields in the area around the coffee shop. I took it to mean that they would be walking the empty lots looking for the weapon(s), not that they would be searching for the suspect(s).

[emdragon]

uh they do? with an armed shooter at large?

i guess i find that rather disturbing

Considering the fact that the shooter fled the area I do not find it disturbing at all.
They are simply using resources in the best way they can- it frees up LE from doing ground searches around the area when they are needed in other locations dealing with the actual shooter.

[sunstar]

Considering the fact that the shooter fled the area I do not find it disturbing at all.
They are simply using resources in the best way they can- it frees up LE from doing ground searches around the area when they are needed in other locations dealing with the actual shooter.

Have there been any updates? I so hope the perp is caught soon since I'd imagine all of LE is on edge right now. :sad:

[aproudmom]

One suspect at this time- several people and locations being looked at and media has been asked not to air video of where and what they are doing so as not to tip off the shooter.

at least 5 agency's involved in the investigation with many others from around the state calling to offer help.

Thanks for all the information. I hope they catch this murderer soon.

Prayers for all the families and for all the Brothers and Sisters who protect and serve I know this effects them all being from a family of LE:rose::patriot:

[emdragon]

Officer Troyer just said the deaths make up 10 to 15 % of the Lakewood department.

just devastating. I think about our small force here and can not even imagine loosing 4 of them at once (let alone losing 1) The department is gutted as is the community.

[emdragon]

They are saying there will be a 2:30 briefing.

www.king5.com for those not local

Elyssa It chills me to know that the shooter is at large. Wonder if any of the other customers in the coffee shop watched the shooter leave. Surely someone knows if he left on foot, by cab, truck etc?

It was reported he left on foot but last we were told those inside the coffee shop were still in shock and had not been interviewed intensely yet.

[Anakerie]

It chills me to know that the shooter is at large. Wonder if any of the other customers in the coffee shop watched the shooter leave. Surely someone knows if he left on foot, by cab, truck etc?
Not to be rude or anything, but I can imagine that if I were in a coffee place waiting for my coffee or even sitting at a table drinking and someone walked in and started shooting, I would be hitting the floor and only be able to see the floor tiles under me.

Anyway, I did hear the spokeman say a litte while ago that they were still talking to the customers and the baristas who were there in the coffee shop. He said that initially they were so traumatized that they couldn't be sure of anything and that now they had calmed down some and were able to give the investigators some information.

[sunstar]

Not to be rude or anything, but I can imagine that if I were in a coffee place waiting for my coffee or even sitting at a table drinking and someone walked in and started shooting, I would be hitting the floor and only be able to see the floor tiles under me.

Anyway, I did hear the spokeman say a litte while ago that they were still talking to the customers and the baristas who were there in the coffee shop. He said that initially they were so traumatized that they couldn't be sure of anything and that now they had calmed down some and were able to give the investigators some information.

I can't imagine the shock they'd be in to just be going about another 'normal day at work' and all of a sudden see four people shot to death right in front of them. I think I'd duck for cover too. :scared: MOO

[sunstar]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010382767_webfourdead29m.html

Well at least now it seems he was on foot. He may still not be too far away. Is there any public transportation there on Sundays?

[aproudmom]

I have no doubt they will catch this murderer, from reading this coffee shop was a place known for LE to frequent so that is why they say they were the target of this horrific crime at first I thought they meant just these 4 but I am wondering are they just saying LE was the target not just these 4 who were about to start thier shift.

am I getting it right or do they mean they think the shooter was there to kill these 4:confused:

and I jut watched a video of the bikers who did a charity drive for the fallen officer killed on Halloween:crying:

[sunstar]

I have no doubt they will catch this murderer, from reading this coffee shop was a place known for LE to frequent so that is why they say they were the target of this horrific crime at first I thought they meant just these 4 but I am wondering are they just saying LE was the target not just these 4 who were about to start thier shift.

am I getting it right or do they mean they think the shooter was there to kill these 4:confused:

and I jut watched a video of the bikers who did a charity drive for the fallen officer killed on Halloween:crying:

I interpret it to be police in general not these specific officers. What would be the odds that these particular four officers would be in there together ~ preplanned ~ unless it was a regular meeting place every morning? Just MOO

[emdragon]

I have no doubt they will catch this murderer, from reading this coffee shop was a place known for LE to frequent so that is why they say they were the target of this horrific crime at first I thought they meant just these 4 but I am wondering are they just saying LE was the target not just these 4 who were about to start thier shift.

am I getting it right or do they mean they think the shooter was there to kill these 4:confused:

and I jut watched a video of the bikers who did a charity drive for the fallen officer killed on Halloween:crying:

By targeted I think they mean of the people in the shop at the time it was the officers the shooter was there to take out not any of the civilians.

Still waiting for the briefing.

They have not removed the bodies yet there will be a motorcade when they do in about an hour or two.
No person of interest and Troyer is PO'd with the media.

[sunstar]

By targeted I think they mean of the people in the shop at the time it was the officers the shooter was there to take out not any of the civilians.

Still waiting for the briefing.

They have not removed the bodies yet there will be a motorcade when they do in about an hour or two.
No person of interest and Troyer is PO'd with the media.

Thanks again ~ the updates are appreciated!

[Anakerie]

By targeted I think they mean of the people in the shop at the time it was the officers the shooter was there to take out not any of the civilians.

Still waiting for the briefing.

They have not removed the bodies yet there will be a motorcade when they do in about an hour or two.
No person of interest and Troyer is PO'd with the media.
I caught the very end of what Troyer was saying. I have a hunch the irritation with the media has to do with a helicopter pilot from a Seattle station that refused to leave the area of a police action that I heard/read about earlier. I think he was also tired of the reporters yelling questions at him while he was answering the previous question... I feel sorry for the man, he's doing a great job during a horrible situation...

ETA: Just watched a "rerun" of the previous briefing and one thing stood out. Troyer said they didn't have a person of interest that they could release info to the public yet. Is it just me or did he just tell us that they DO have a POI but they can't publicize it yet?

[nothingnew]

I'm guessing this had to be premeditated. The shooter knew exactly where the 4 officers would be. Maybe even knew the time the officers met before their shift started, possibly knew the officers were sitting down, not able to draw their weapons quickly.
This type of crime makes me sick and sad, especially involving LEO's and it happening around the holidays. :sad:

Not just the holidays but the 10 year anniversary of the WTO riots when LE in the northwest made many many enemies. That was my first thought-today would have been day 1 of 4 days of riots in Seattle and it's still talked about outside of Washington state. :unsure:

[aproudmom]

By targeted I think they mean of the people in the shop at the time it was the officers the shooter was there to take out not any of the civilians.

Still waiting for the briefing.

They have not removed the bodies yet there will be a motorcade when they do in about an hour or two.
No person of interest and Troyer is PO'd with the media.

Thanks that is what I thought. Is there a link to a Briefing if not please keep us updated. I am way over here in Indiana so it is going on 6:30pm our time.

Why is he angry at the media? or should I even ask

[emdragon]

Not just the holidays but the 10 year anniversary of the WTO riots when LE in the northwest made many many enemies. That was my first thought-today would have been day 1 of 4 days of riots in Seattle and it's still talked about outside of Washington state. :unsure:

If it had anything to do with the WTO would they not have target Seattle LE?

In all the years through all the cases I have never seen Troyer as snippy with the media- it is just a clear example of how horrible and gut wrenching this is for all of them.

The motorcade would be heartbreaking to watch it was bad enough earlier this month watching them transfer Officer Brenton from the morgue to the funeral home- still takes my breath away when I think as bad as that was this is 4 times as bad.

[nothingnew]

:ohmy: nothingnews,
I didn't even think about that. Could that be the reason for today's shooting? wow
My BIL was working in Washington back then. It was a scary time.

I always think of the riots during Thanksgiving because I was in California at the time and we decided to stay put until things got back to "normal" before heading back to Seattle. It could just be that area though-always drama for the holidays-Silas Cool making the metro bus go off the Aurora Bridge, Hollywood the bank robber getting caught-all around Thanksgiving.

[Chica]

Did you read the article you included in your post Chica? :confused:
If so, :closedeyes: you'd know that was one of the earliest reports on this incident which stated:

Nope, Why would you be confused? That was YOUR link,:confused: not mine and I read post #1 4 Officers Shot Dead.

[sunstar]

Thanks for the reply, Eagleeye ~ I was just trying to think of possibilities how far the perp could've gotten.

[nothingnew]

If it had anything to do with the WTO would they not have target Seattle LE?

In all the years through all the cases I have never seen Troyer as snippy with the media- it is just a clear example of how horrible and gut wrenching this is for all of them.

The motorcade would be heartbreaking to watch it was bad enough earlier this month watching them transfer Officer Brenton from the morgue to the funeral home- still takes my breath away when I think as bad as that was this is 4 times as bad.

They imported LE from all over WA and things went way out of control very fast. Big mess up from LE and it is still talked about outside of the state. It was just my first thought because I was already remembering the anniversary and then I read about the ambush. Probably no connection, who knows what is going on in anyones head?

[Anakerie]

As a matter of fact Sam, no it wasn't me but how would you know one way or the other? You have no idea what I look like.
lol, So you weren't one of the guys in the red jackets then.. Welcome back home, Eagle.. hehe

[emdragon]

Quote: Originally Posted by emdragon
Good bet it might have been. It is Eagle scouts that they have out doing routine ground searches/



***********************
emdragon,


One, I am not an Eagle Scout. My name may be "eagleeye" but that does not make me an Eagle Scout. Two, I was a former Pierce County Deputy Sherrif and we would never send out the Eagle Scouts on a Search and Rescue with an armed and dangerous suspect in the area; are you kidding me? I was called out by Search and Resuce to help search the perimeter of the crime scene. Once it was cleared we were released. Only those of us who are licensed to carry were called and all are former or current members of LE.

emdragon, I know your comments are well intentioned but if you had read the blog before you started posting, you would have seen my previous posts. Yes, Ed is pissed at the Media. They were getting in the way and shouting questions at him, add to that the choppers especially King TV were hovering so low you couldn't hear yourself think. If you look at the Google Map, the location is adjacent to a very active McChord Air Force Base. Fortunately being Sunday, there were not many flights in and out of there. Sorry if I sound a bit irritable but this hits very close to home with me.

Sunstar, yes there is public transportation there, it is Pierce Transit. I doubt that the shooter hopped a bus though.




As the daughter of a retired officer it hits close to home with me as well.
What I heard Troyer say was an answer to a media question about the search team- excuse me if I thought he said the word "Scouts" and that I assumed something from your nick. It won't happen again.

Yeah now I am a bit testy for getting reamed so I will just sit back and let eagle do any further up dates as God forbid I make another mistake or say something that he takes offense at.

[sunstar]

Simply because I am still an active member of Search and Rescue and they don't have age discrimination in an emergency but thanks for asking.

I think it's a good thing you and others are available as I'm sure LE needs all the help they can get right now. This perp needs to be caught before any more lives are lost. This day must be a nightmare for all LE. :crying: MOO

[aproudmom]

so they may have hit the shooter

[Anakerie]

At least one of the officers managed to get off a shot and fought with the suspect all the way out the door. They believe the suspect is wounded and are asking for tips from anyone knowing someone who's been wounded that fits the description of the suspect.

Sorry, No link.. Am monitoring http://mfile.akamai.com/12926/live/reflector:36238.asx

ETA: Correction: They HOPE that the suspect was wounded when the officer got off a shot.

Now saying that ATF is also there helping with the investigation.

[emdragon]

so they may have hit the shooter

They hope so. Especially a gunshot wound that would be obvious.

They do have reasons to believe the Officers did get shots off.
and there was a fight.

[sunstar]

At least one of the officers managed to get off a shot and fought with the suspect all the way out the door. They believe the suspect is wounded and are asking for tips from anyone knowing someone who's been wounded that fits the description of the suspect.

Sorry, No link.. Am monitoring http://mfile.akamai.com/12926/live/reflector:36238.asx

ETA: Correction: They HOPE that the suspect was wounded when the officer got off a shot.

Now saying that ATF is also there helping with the investigation.
I am hoping along with them.

[aproudmom]

They hope so. Especially a gunshot wound that would be obvious.

They do have reasons to believe the Officers did get shots off.
and there was a fight.

I can not beleive someone would waste LE time saying they did this or knew something about it. I hope that person gets arrested.:cursing:

did he say they would be back in 30min for another update my feed froze up. TIA

[Anakerie]

I am hoping along with them.
Same here, Sunstar.. Same here.

I didn't get any video from this briefing, the news station only broadcast the audio. But what was said explains some of the overhead shots I saw of the front of the coffee shop earlier. There was a blue tarp strung up out in front of the doors and then later one of the shelters was erected right in front of the door. Horrible.. The poor man died there where the tarp and the shelter were set up... (And yes, I am assuming that the one outside was one of the men.)

[Anakerie]

I hope so too. I can't get the link.
I have that link open in windows media player.. I have trouble with it if I try loading it in the browser. I don't have another link, sorry.. It's the live (raw) link from KIRO news

http://www.kirotv.com/index.html
(http://www.komonews.com/news/local/78088192.html)

[Marrigan]

I've read through most of the posts here (thank you, all, for the updates and input) and I'm still trying to digest the horror of that scene.
Four uniformed officers in a diner, murdered in cold blood. It's unthinkable! This is going to be a heart-wrenching, tough case.:sad:

[emdragon]

Yes he said he would be back in 30 minutes


try these http://www.kirotv.com
http://www.king5.com

http://www.komonews.com

Kiro is on now http://www.kirotv.com/video/21753219/index.html (this is currently airing on the station right now)

[Anakerie]

Thanks sweetie. I'll sure try it. Let ya know.

I goofed.. It wasn't a KOMO link.. It's from KIRO 7...

http://www.kirotv.com/index.html

http://mfile.akamai.com/12926/live/reflector:36238.asx

They're broadcasting their news on the link right now...

[aproudmom]

That officer is a Hero IMO That
shows you just how committed these officers are he ran out in the line of fire after he saw 3 of his colleagues executed

[aproudmom]

I goofed.. It wasn't a KOMO link.. It's from KIRO 7...

http://www.kirotv.com/index.html

http://mfile.akamai.com/12926/live/reflector:36238.asx

They're broadcasting their news on the link right now...

that is where I am getting the updates

they are getting the motorcade ready:crying:

[sunstar]

Same here, Sunstar.. Same here.

I didn't get any video from this briefing, the news station only broadcast the audio. But what was said explains some of the overhead shots I saw of the front of the coffee shop earlier. There was a blue tarp strung up out in front of the doors and then later one of the shelters was erected right in front of the door. Horrible.. The poor man died there where the tarp and the shelter were set up... (And yes, I am assuming that the one outside was one of the men.)

And to think he was probably already hit before he got out in front of the door. :crying:

[emdragon]

The procession moving the bodies to the ME's office should happen within the hour- each body will be escorted and to say there are a lot of cars there waiting is putting it mildly.

[emdragon]

statement from the Lakewood Independent Guild

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=83164294642


This morning a complete coward and threat upon all of society took the lives of four of my Guild members and your sworn protectors in a cold blooded assassination. As I write this I am numb. We were dealt a nasty blow, good men and women I have had the honor of knowing for years are senselessly gone. There is no way to comprehend it, to validate it, or to make sense of any of it. You cannot understand evil like this, as a community we must form a solid bond against criminals and hold them accountable. I know my members and can say with certainty that as a group we will remain professional and will continue to work to protect those of you we have taken an oath to protect. If you know a cop tell them how much you appreciate them, it truly keeps us going.



Please pray for these officers and their families. All of them had significant others and children who are left behind. As a Guild we will do anything we can. If you want to donate to the families our Guild has a benevolent account. Every penny will go to the families; if you want to donate to a specific officer you can write his or her name in the memo section. If the check is made out to LPIG Benevolent Fund at PO Box 99579 Lakewood, WA 98499. I will personally make sure it goes where it is intended. May God bless you four who are in a place so much better than this; you are some of the finest professionals I have ever known. God bless our community today.




Brian D. Wurts, President

Lakewood Police Independent Guild

[Anakerie]

statement from the Lakewood Independent Guild

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=83164294642

Thank you, emdragon..

[sunstar]

statement from the Lakewood Independent Guild

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=83164294642

Thanks so much. I'm watching the video from kiro.tv. It's so heartbreaking to see that line of officers standing outside the coffee shop. :crying:

[aproudmom]

The procession moving the bodies to the ME's office should happen within the hour- each body will be escorted and to say there are a lot of cars there waiting is putting it mildly.

they are all lining up and the fire truck with the flag is up now

[Anakerie]

KIRO is showing the honor guard that is forming up outside the coffee shop. They also showed the fire department ladder trucks preparing the arch that the procession will pass under when they move the bodies of the victims.

[emdragon]

Thanks so much. I'm watching the video from kiro.tv. It's so heartbreaking to see that line of officers standing outside the coffee shop. :crying:

It really is and the magnitude of the loss just keeps hitting you in the gut when they go to the long shot and you see all the cars waiting.

they are all lining up and the fire truck with the flag is up now

I have seen that image far to many times this past year-

[aproudmom]

http://twitter.com/KIRO7Seattle

Police, angry at KING-TV over use of its helicopter after Lakewood shootings, threaten charges. http://bit.ly/4TxEJe #lakeshoot
31 minutes ago from TweetDeck

Live coverage from 4-7 pm on latest in officers' fatal shootings http//http://bit.ly/6fuD8F
40 minutes ago from TweetDeck

[aproudmom]

It really is and the magnitude of the loss just keeps hitting you in the gut when they go to the long shot and you see all the cars waiting.



I have seen that image far to many times this past year-

My Uncle and 2 cousins are in LE and travel to the funerals when they can. I remember watching the Funeral/Memorial for the Oakland officers so sad.

[emdragon]

http://twitter.com/KIRO7Seattle

Police, angry at KING-TV over use of its helicopter after Lakewood shootings, threaten charges. http://bit.ly/4TxEJe #lakeshoot
31 minutes ago from TweetDeck

Live coverage from 4-7 pm on latest in officers' fatal shootings http//http://bit.ly/6fuD8F
40 minutes ago from TweetDeck

While I understand the anger this country does have Freedom of the press and as long as the airspace wasn't closed I don't see how any charges can be brought (especially since they say there is no person of interest)

That said I believe the media needs to respect the needs of LE and use common sense in their reporting.

[aproudmom]

While I understand the anger this country does have Freedom of the press and as long as the airspace wasn't closed I don't see how any charges can be brought (especially since they say there is no person of interest)

That said I believe the media needs to respect the needs of LE and use common sense in their reporting.

ITA they should

[emdragon]

My Uncle and 2 cousins are in LE and travel to the funerals when they can. I remember watching the Funeral/Memorial for the Oakland officers so sad.

It is always amazing and touching to see LE representatives from all over the coutry and world (Canada had reps here earlier in the month).


I have to wonder if some of the delay in moving the bodies is to wait until it is too dark for the news copters to follow.

[emdragon]

ITA they should

Over the years I have seen all three local stations covering fluid news events and they have always been good about not showing the locations of SWAT teams and other sensitive police goings on so not sure why King5 would do anything different today.(and honestly I watched their coverage earlier and know when asked not to show the house LE was staging near they stopped airing live footage all together). Some of the anger may just be due to raw emotion.

[sunstar]

I'm listening to the governor talk with the news anchors at kiro.tv and just thinking about the fear that must be going through the minds of all LE ~ knowing the suspect is still out there and as long as he is, every one of them is in danger. :crying:

[Anakerie]

OMG.. The perp walked PAST the officers and got in line, then turned around and opened fire! (Per Ed Troyer in another briefing.)

[sunstar]

OMG.. The perp walked PAST the officers and got in line, then turned around and opened fire! (Per Ed Troyer in another briefing.)

I just heard that too. :scared:

[emdragon]

OMG.. The perp walked PAST the officers and got in line, then turned around and opened fire! (Per Ed Troyer in another briefing.)

As shocking as that news is it makes me a bit more hopful they actual do have video of him since most cameras are focused on the register area.

[Anakerie]

I just heard that too. :scared:
That guy knew exactly what he was going in there for. IMO, he got in that line so that there would be civilians behind him when he opened fire on the officers...

My heart goes out to the families of the four and the rest of the law enforcement community.

[Anakerie]

As shocking as that news is it makes me a bit more hopful they actual do have video of him since most cameras are focused on the register area.
I hope there is a GOOD picture of the shooter...

The reward for information leading to the arrest of the shooter has gone up to $100,000.

[sunstar]

As shocking as that news is it makes me a bit more hopful they actual do have video of him since most cameras are focused on the register area.

Oh I hope they do, but I'd think they'd be able to release at least a composite from it? :shrug:

[aproudmom]

It is always amazing and touching to see LE representatives from all over the coutry and world (Canada had reps here earlier in the month).


I have to wonder if some of the delay in moving the bodies is to wait until it is too dark for the news copters to follow.

It is very touching to see them all come together for their Brothers and Sisters and thier families.

I never thought about them waiting till dark for that reason. I heard they are having a prayer vigil tonight. I hope it can help bring comfort to some of the people.

The reward is 100 thousand it was just 10 a couple hours ago. well that is good hopefully it will get someone talking.

[sunstar]

emdragon ~ I think you might be right about the delay in removing their bodies. I just saw the chopper 7 coverage and it's very difficult to see the details now due to darkness.

[aproudmom]

Oh I hope they do, but I'd think they'd be able to release at least a composite from it? :shrug:

Maybe they don't want to tip the perp off, he seemed like they have several tips lets pray one pays off and they get this guy soon.

[sunstar]

Maybe they don't want to tip the perp off, he seemed like they have several tips lets pray one pays off and they get this guy soon.

Did you hear the reporter talking about some guy who went into a hospital ER with an injury (not sure if it was a gsw or not) but left before LE got there? Sounds suspicious,imo.

[Anakerie]

Did you hear the reporter talking about some guy who went into a hospital ER with an injury (not sure if it was a gsw or not) but left before LE got there? Sounds suspicious,imo.
I heard that report... Very suspicious, indeed!

[aproudmom]

emdragon ~ I think you might be right about the delay in removing their bodies. I just saw the chopper 7 coverage and it's very difficult to see the details now due to darkness.

They said they had to do a reconstruction of the crime scene but they may be waiting for dark also not sure how long the reconstruction would take but they could not remove the body's until they were finished:shrug:

[sunstar]

They said they had to do a reconstruction of the crime scene but they may be waiting for dark also not sure how long the reconstruction would take but they could not remove the body's until they were finished:shrug:

Oh that's right too. Maybe just coincidence then.

[sunstar]

I heard that report... Very suspicious, indeed!

At least it seems the hospitals will notify LE.

[sunstar]

Looks like quite a few people have arrived already for the prayer vigil. :rose:

[Anakerie]

POI: Maurice Clemens?

Waiting for more info to hit the news sites...

[aproudmom]

well wouldn't you know someone who should have been in prison if it is this guy

[sunstar]

Ed Troyer is speaking to the media again. LE has a POI: Maurice Clemens. Has criminal history including assault on LE. They're releasing a photo to the media. Evidence that leads LE to believe POI was in the area.

[sunstar]

One officer has been identified as Mark Renninger. He had two daughters and a son and is from PA. :rose:

[sunstar]

well wouldn't you know someone who should have been in prison if it is this guy

"Early release" program in Arkansas, from what I understood. :angry:

[aproudmom]

Looks like quite a few people have arrived already for the prayer vigil. :rose:

omg your right sun I just got a look at the people there.

[sunstar]

Correct spelling is Maurice Clemmons.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/

[aproudmom]

"Early release" program in Arkansas, from what I understood. :angry:

He looks scary. ugh a pedo:cursing: he should be in Prison. IMO FGS

[Anakerie]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010385617_webmansought29.html?cmpid=2727

Info about the POI

[sunstar]

kiro tv is showing a photo of Clemmons now.

Convicted pedophile, RSO.
Assault on a police officer (Pierce Co. May 2009)
Criminal record in Arkansas
Washington State DOC #866697

[aproudmom]

Correct spelling is Maurice Clemmons.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/

Thanks sun I think we are here alone, did everyone leave us.

[sunstar]

Thanks sun I think we are here alone, did everyone leave us.

Maybe they're just watching the news!

News anchors are talking about the other officers but I didn't get all the names. :sad:

[BettyC]

Maybe they're just watching the news!

News anchors are talking about the other officers but I didn't get all the names. :sad:

They are still on the air and don't seem to realize it. I've seen this happen before.

[Anakerie]

Thanks sun I think we are here alone, did everyone leave us.
I'm still here.

[aproudmom]

:ohmy:wonder if they knew we could hear them talking, I think they thought there mics were off.

[emdragon]

"Early release" program in Arkansas, from what I understood. :angry:

Huckabee commuted his original 35 yr sentence in 2000

[veejaye]

Not two miles from my home this happened this morning. I was a member of this Sheriffs Department many years ago. No suspects have been caught and the description of the automobile they used is sketchy.

Thank you for your service. My deepest sympathy to you for the loss of your colleagues.

[sunstar]

The victims are ~
Mark Renninger
Tina Griswold
Ronald Owens
Greg Richards

:rose: :rose:

(source Ed Troyer, Pierce Co. Sheriffs Office)

[Anakerie]

Crud.. My feed froze.. Who did he say was in jail?

[sunstar]

Crud.. My feed froze.. Who did he say was in jail?

The guy who made the phony call to LE earlier today was booked on obstruction charges.

[Anakerie]

The guy who made the phony call to LE earlier today was booked on obstruction charges.
Ah... Ok, thank you... The guy is exactly where he belongs then...

[Chica]

How did LE get this guy's name?

[aproudmom]

FGS He had the 3 strikes against him and allowed out on bond,:confused: he has nothing to lose I bet this will be a shoot out. JMO If it is him.

[emdragon]

SWAT team has just entered a home connected to Clemmons.

[aproudmom]

How did LE get this guy's name?

Not sure Chica if they said unless I missed it.

[sunstar]

How did LE get this guy's name?

From what I understand he was there today and now he's "unavailable". News reporter is saying SWAT is at Clemmons house now. Trying to determine if he's there at the house. The vehicle found earlier today is associated with Clemmons.

[sunstar]

FGS He had the 3 strikes against him and allowed out on bond,:confused: he has nothing to lose I bet this will be a shoot out. JMO If it is him.

Exactly my thoughts. He's facing LWOP as a three strikes offender.


(congrats on your 10,000!)

[Chica]

SWAT team has just entered a home connected to Clemmons.

What are you watching, EM?

[Anakerie]

If I were in Washington tonight, I would be standing alongside the road saluting those two vans. Probably with tears falling as well.

[emdragon]

OMG that line of flashing lights is heartbreakingly amazing. And just takes your breath away.

[LisaM22]

The victims are ~
Mark Renninger
Tina Griswold
Ronald Owens
Greg Richards

:rose: :rose:

(source Ed Troyer, Pierce Co. Sheriffs Office)

so sad :rose:

thanks for the posts everyone, just starting to watch the feed now

[Anakerie]

What are you watching, EM?
They were talking about it a little while ago on the KIRO feed I'm watching or listening to. One of their reporters was on the phone from the scene.

[aproudmom]

SWAT team has just entered a home connected to Clemmons.

I am sure it will be a shoot out he was on his was to prison for life before this. I am sorry but I dont know what this freaking release program is but it just caused many broken hearts . JMO

[emdragon]

What are you watching, EM?
I was watching KIRO. (until they went to commercial as the motorcade began)
The info was not related in an urgent way so not sure if anything really came of it.

May I add now that it is dark the procession is even more striking. Lights miles long.

[sunstar]

I was watching KIRO. (until they went to commercial as the motorcade began)
The info was not related in an urgent way so not sure if anything really came of it.

May I add now that it is dark the procession is even more striking. Lights miles long.
I was watching it too. So heartbreaking. :crying:

[sunstar]

kiro.tv reporter saying SWAT is still at the house associated with Clemmons. Methodically doing a room by room search, attic, crawl spaces, etc.

[aproudmom]

9 Children lost a parent today:crying: This is when I get so worried about my family knowing everytime they walk out the door they may not come home and they are out there to protect and serve

[veejaye]

I was watching KIRO. (until they went to commercial as the motorcade began)
The info was not related in an urgent way so not sure if anything really came of it.

May I add now that it is dark the procession is even more striking. Lights miles long.

Thanks for info about live coverge on KIRO. I just found the station's website and am watching the news coverage on my computer at the following link:

http://www.kirotv.com/video/21753219/index.html

[Chica]

kiro.tv reporter saying SWAT is still at the house associated with Clemmons. Methodically doing a room by room search, attic, crawl spaces, etc.

I wonder why I can't get the feed? :unsure:

[aproudmom]

I was watching KIRO. (until they went to commercial as the motorcade began)
The info was not related in an urgent way so not sure if anything really came of it.

May I add now that it is dark the procession is even more striking. Lights miles long.

E do you know how large this department is? Also did they say they were all from the same LE department. TIA

[Chica]

Thanks for info about live coverge on KIRO. I just found the station's website and am watching the news coverage on my computer at the following link:

http://www.kirotv.com/video/21753219/index.html

Thanks. I just get a blank screen..oh well, keep me posted. TIA

[sunstar]

I wonder why I can't get the feed? :unsure:

Here's the link http://www.kirotv.com/video/21753219/index.html

Sometimes they do go off air for a couple of minutes then come back.

[aubrey04]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010385617_webmansought29.html?cmpid=2727

Info about the POI

Great. Another career criminal who should have been locked snuggly behind bars. He had 5 felony convictions in Arkansas and 8 felony charges in Washington. He had just been released from jail 6 days ago, after someone coughed up 15k (on a 150k bail) to a bail bonds company. Wonder who paid the 15k?

It was heart breaking to read the Arkansas prosecuting attorney's-- who opposed clemency for Clemmons-- comment. He said, ""This is the day I've been dreading for a long time" ..:mad: ... bet he feels sick to his stomach right now.. And I wonder why Huckabee gave the perp--- clemency? ETA - just read further.. Huckabee gave him clemency - citing his young age as the reason. WTHeck? errrrrrrrrrrrgh.

[aproudmom]

I wonder why I can't get the feed? :unsure:

you can't get it
http://www.kirotv.com/video/21753219/index.html

[veejaye]

you can't get it
http://www.kirotv.com/video/21753219/index.html

At one point, my feed stopped. I clicked on the play button and it resumed. BTW, all of you who live in the viewing area of this heinous crime, please stay safe.

[emdragon]

E do you know how large this department is? Also did they say they were all from the same LE department. TIA

Yes they were all from the same department- both the PD and the City sites are down so not sure how big the department is but don't believe it is very big.



Chica could be channel at commercial

[Maranatha]

E do you know how large this department is? Also did they say they were all from the same LE department. TIA

I'm not Em, but here you go:

http://www.thenewstribune.com/topstories/story/973791.html

The history of the barely 5 years old Lakewood PD.

[LisaM22]

At one point, my feed stopped. I clicked on the play button and it resumed. BTW, all of you who live in the viewing area of this heinous crime, please stay safe.

mine does that too, I just hit refresh and comes back, guessing a lot of people following along online

[Chica]

Great. Another career criminal who should have been locked snuggly behind bars. He had 5 felony convictions in Arkansas and 8 felony charges in Washington. He had just been released from jail 6 days ago, after someone coughed up 15k (on a 150k bail) to a bail bonds company. Wonder who paid the 15k?

It was heart breaking to read the Arkansas prosecuting attorney's-- who opposed clemency for Clemmons-- comment. He said, ""This is the day I've been dreading for a long time" ..:mad: ... bet he feels sick to his stomach right now.. And I wonder why Huckabee gave the perp--- clemency? ETA - just read further.. Huckabee gave him clemency - citing his young age as the reason. WTHeck? errrrrrrrrrrrgh.

Jail Sucks Bail Bonds paid according to :http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010385617_webmansought29.html
I bet they don't think jail sucks now......Shocking is all I can say. How this animal was roaming the streets is incomprehensible. Child rape?

[Chica]

The guy who made the phony call to LE earlier today was booked on obstruction charges.

Who made the call? Do you have a link? TIA

[aproudmom]

Great. Another career criminal who should have been locked snuggly behind bars. He had 5 felony convictions in Arkansas and 8 felony charges in Washington. He had just been released from jail 6 days ago, after someone coughed up 15k (on a 150k bail) to a bail bonds company. Wonder who paid the 15k?

It was heart breaking to read the Arkansas prosecuting attorney's-- who opposed clemency for Clemmons-- comment. He said, ""This is the day I've been dreading for a long time" ..:mad: ... bet he feels sick to his stomach right now.. And I wonder why Huckabee gave the perp--- clemency? ETA - just read further.. Huckabee gave him clemency - citing his young age as the reason. WTHeck? errrrrrrrrrrrgh.

pretty darn sad, another horrible crime that should have never ever happened.

[pixiejoolz]

Yes they were all from the same department- both the PD and the City sites are down so not sure how big the department is but don't believe it is very big.



Chica could be channel at commercial

I just read one of the headline articles that said these officers made up 10-15% of the department. This is just heartbreaking, no other word for it. :rose:

[aproudmom]

Who made the call? Do you have a link? TIA

It was said during a PC some jerk called his family and said he did it so they called the police and of course they went looking for this person to find out he was lying:thumbdown:

[LadyFuzz]

It is terrible. May they RIP.:rose::rose::rose:

[veejaye]

Jail Sucks Bail Bonds paid according to :http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010385617_webmansought29.html
I bet they don't think jail sucks now......Shocking is all I can say. How this animal was roaming the streets is incomprehensible. Child rape?

Governor Mike Huckabee granted this man clemency over the protests of the prosecutors. I believe in redemption but why clemency for a convicted pedophile with such a long record of violence and mental problems.

[Chica]

Thanks Em, but I just get a blank screen...strange, I usually get videos.

[Anakerie]

Anakerie,

I am too emotional to attend the vigil tonight but you can bet I will be there for the funerals. There will most likely be LE from every State in the Union here for them. This is a terrible day for Law Enforcement families all over the United States today. This City is crawling with hundreds of Police cars tonight looking for this b@stard. The motorcade, just past within two blocks of my home on the way to the ME's office. There are hundreds of people lining the streets to give their respects. God Bless their families tonight and pray that they are able to heal from this.
Eagleeye, my spirit will be there with you when the time comes for the funerals.

My heart goes out to all of the families and friends, as well as all their fellow officers. I sat here watching the motorcade on KIRO as long as the feed would let me.. I couldn't stop watching.

:patriot: X 4

[aproudmom]

I just read one of the headline articles that said these officers made up 10-15% of the department. This is just heartbreaking, no other word for it. :rose:

Thanks alot doesn't sound like a large department.

[Chica]

Governor Mike Huckabee granted this man clemency over the
protests of the prosecutors. I believe in redemption but why clemency for a convicted pedophile with such a long record of violence and mental problems.

Yes, I agree. A RSO and he sounds psychotic or schizophrenic, not a good combination. Should definitely have been incarcerated for life. I wonder how many of cons of this caliber have been released when they shouldn't have been?

[sunstar]

Thanks Em, but I just get a blank screen...strange, I usually get videos.

I think they're done for the evening now. At the end they said they'd be back for the 11:00pm (PT) news.

[Chica]

It was said during a PC some jerk called his family and said he did it so they called the police and of course they went looking for this person to find out he was lying:thumbdown:

Oh, ok..thanks Aproudmom.

Thank you, Sunstar.

[sunstar]

Who made the call? Do you have a link? TIA

I've just been listening to the news conferences given by Ed Troyer of the Pierce Co. Sheriff's Dept. It's probably on video at the same link you can't get! :sad:

[aproudmom]

Anakerie,

I am too emotional to attend the vigil tonight but you can bet I will be there for the funerals. There will most likely be LE from every State in the Union here for them. This is a terrible day for Law Enforcement families all over the United States today. This City is crawling with hundreds of Police cars tonight looking for this b@stard. The motorcade, just past within two blocks of my home on the way to the ME's office. There are hundreds of people lining the streets to give their respects. God Bless their families tonight and pray that they are able to heal from this.

My Uncle and Cousin attend when they can they go all over to pay thier respects to their fallen brothers. I know they had the 4 Oakland Police officers Memorial on Live Stream cause I watched it and it was so heart breaking. I will be praying I know how this effects just the every day citizen let alone LE and their families

[LadyFuzz]

http://www.doc.wa.gov/offenderinfo/capitalpunishment/

Good to know the State of Washington has the death penalty. :thumbup:

[sunstar]

http://www.doc.wa.gov/offenderinfo/capitalpunishment/

Good to know the State of Washington has the death penalty. :thumbup:

Yes definitely good to know! And hopefully the convicted don't sit on it for 20+ yrs. either.

[LadyFuzz]

In my 30 year career, I've attended hundreds of funerals all over the country and been in hundreds of motorcades. I was on the honor guard for five years also.

This brings back such memories for me. :sad::angry:

[aubrey04]

Jail Sucks Bail Bonds paid according to :http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010385617_webmansought29.html
I bet they don't think jail sucks now......Shocking is all I can say. How this animal was roaming the streets is incomprehensible. Child rape?

Absolutely.. he should NOT have been roaming the street. I also read that police were called to Clemmons' house for a domestic dispute and he allegedly punched one of the responding officers in the face.. I guess that was his assault charge.

Another violent predator and repeat offender allowed to keep re-offending until someone, actually multiple people, had to die due to the leniency he was granted.

He should have NEVER been let out of jail after those serious felony convictions and other pending felony charges..

[sunstar]

**************

aproudmom,

Lakewood is a small suburb outside the City of Tacoma, WA that incorporated as a City in 1996. They have approximately 125 people in the department including support personnel. Prior to that the Pierce County Sheriffs Office patrolled that area and I was a part of that department out of the Lakewood Precinct. I lived in Lakewood from 1955 till 1968 when I moved to another suburb called University Place which has now been incorporated into a City. Lakewood, University Place and Tacoma are in the greater Pierce County area. There are a little over 785 thousand people in Pierce County, WA.

Thanks for the history :smile: I'm only familiar with it from watching some episodes of "COPS" that were filmed there and remember Lakewood in some of them. It looks like a nice area where the shootings occurred.

[sunstar]

:cursing::thumbdown:
Oh and Huckabee, thanks for releasing this creep early.


Continued prayers for the officers family and loved ones.

Maybe Huckabee's early release program was part of that "forgiveness" we've seen a lot of lately. :wink:

[sunstar]

My feed at kirotv stopped too and now it is only showing the space needle.

http://www.kirotv.com/video/21753219/index.html

Does anyone have another link that shows live feed?

I don't know any of the other links, but I think out there it's "prime time" and the news won't be on again until later.

[Anakerie]

My feed at kirotv stopped too and now it is only showing the space needle.

http://www.kirotv.com/video/21753219/index.html

Does anyone have another link that shows live feed?
The KIRO feed will come back either when there is breaking news or at 11pm when their news cast airs.

Earlier I kept the space needle view on and let it run in the background. When they come back on the air, the sound would make me switch back to the screen. (But then I was following it with my windows media player.)

This is the link I used for the media player:
http://mfile.akamai.com/12926/live/reflector:36238.asx

[AlohaRainbow]

Anakerie,

I am too emotional to attend the vigil tonight but you can bet I will be there for the funerals. There will most likely be LE from every State in the Union here for them. This is a terrible day for Law Enforcement families all over the United States today. This City is crawling with hundreds of Police cars tonight looking for this b@stard. The motorcade, just past within two blocks of my home on the way to the ME's office. There are hundreds of people lining the streets to give their respects. God Bless their families tonight and pray that they are able to heal from this.
yes, my heart goes out to all the families of the slain officers, as well as to the "family" of their fellow officers.

my brother is a police officer with the kent (washington) police dept. which is not too far from the horrific crime scene. i hope they catch the guy before there are any more lives lost.

[Chica]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316312,00.html


9 yrs ago clememcy was granted to Clemmons in Arkansas.
WHY was he released in WA on a pending rape of a child? Is there bail for rapists and sex offenders?

[LadyFuzz]

It's on Geraldo Rivera now. The owner of the coffee shop is being interviewed.

[jadite]

20 minutes ago my husband was locking up work when 2 policeman pulled up and asked who's car was parked there? They said it was the guy that works there and that they were sorry for their loss today and LE said we are gonna get him and we think he's in the area. They took off with their lights on. Whatever that means. My husband locked up shop with the doors locked.This all happened in Fife Wa. right off of the highway. Freaky! Had to share that.

[sunstar]

I think you're correct sunstar. What a shame child rapist are forgiven.
What a tragic day this is. :sad: Until the perp is caught other LE in that area are still in danger.

Four of my family members are in LE along with two of my neighbors. This type of crime hits all members of LE in every city of the US.

Yes it sure is a shame. My heart goes out to everybody in LE tonight and I'm praying they will all be safe knowing the perp is still at large. And of course praying he's caught before sunrise!

[jadite]

yes, my heart goes out to all the families of the slain officers, as well as to the "family" of their fellow officers.

my brother is a police officer with the kent (washington) police dept. which is not too far from the horrific crime scene. i hope they catch the guy before there are any more lives lost.

Kent is right by Fife. You probably know that already though.

[aproudmom]

**************

aproudmom,

Lakewood is a small suburb outside the City of Tacoma, WA that incorporated as a City in 1996. They have approximately 125 people in the department including support personnel. Prior to that the Pierce County Sheriffs Office patrolled that area and I was a part of that department out of the Lakewood Precinct. I lived in Lakewood from 1955 till 1968 when I moved to another suburb called University Place which has now been incorporated into a City. Lakewood, University Place and Tacoma are in the greater Pierce County area. There are a little over 785 thousand people in Pierce County, WA.

Thanks E so it is about the same size as the town I grew up in. Thank you for your service BTW.:patriot:

[sunstar]

20 minutes ago my husband was locking up work when 2 policeman pulled up and asked who's car was parked there? They said it was the guy that works there and that they were sorry for their loss today and LE said we are gonna get him and we think he's in the area. They took off with their lights on. Whatever that means. My husband locked up shop with the doors locked.This all happened in Fife Wa. right off of the highway. Freaky! Had to share that.

Thanks for sharing. I doubt any of them will rest until this monster is caught or more appropriately, taken out. MOO

[aproudmom]

Yes it sure is a shame. My heart goes out to everybody in LE tonight and I'm praying they will all be safe knowing the perp is still at large. And of course praying he's caught before sunrise!

We will see alot of badges with black bands on them around here I do know that much. I hate seeing it as it means they have lost one of their own.:crying:

I guess no update on the house they were searching. I hope they catch this monster soon.

[Marrigan]

Governor Mike Huckabee granted this man clemency over the protests of the prosecutors. I believe in redemption but why clemency for a convicted pedophile with such a long record of violence and mental problems.

Huckabee has some 'splainin' to do. Clemency, no less! Thank goodness his presidential aspirations were cut short. He can forget a revival now.:cursing:

[BettyC]

We will see alot of badges with black bands on them around here I do know that much. I hate seeing it as it means they have lost one of their own.:crying:

I guess no update on the house they were searching. I hope they catch this monster soon.

Did you see the interview that said the search could take a very long time because, from experience they know he could be holed up in a tiny spot in that house. I'll bet we get any update on it at 11.

[BettyC]

Excuse me for saying something about using pms properly. I was a cop for 30 years and I feel the pain. Have a nice night.

And I had a 21 yr old brother in law who was a police officer killed in the line of duty, also murdered. I cannot stand to see this turned into a game by some of you.

[LadyFuzz]

And I had a 21 yr old brother in law who was a police officer killed in the line of duty, also murdered. I cannot stand to see this turned into a game by some of you.

I am saddened to hear that. It is a dangerous job. I know that well. I won't post anymore. It is far too hard for me anyway.

[aproudmom]

The KIRO feed will come back either when there is breaking news or at 11pm when their news cast airs.

Earlier I kept the space needle view on and let it run in the background. When they come back on the air, the sound would make me switch back to the screen. (But then I was following it with my windows media player.)

This is the link I used for the media player:
http://mfile.akamai.com/12926/live/reflector:36238.asx

That is what I have on and it would just break in. I keep hoping to hear it come on and say they have him.

[Anakerie]

I came here because I busted my behind being a real cop for a very long time. I just don't care for phonies. jmo of course
And that is useful to the conversation how? Do you have any opinion about the person of interest? Or sympathy for the victims and their families? Or how about an opinion of the motorcade that we all watched on TV or streamed on our computers? Why only post about other posters or yourself?

ETA: Sorry folks.. I should have scrolled by but it's irritating to watch someone derail a thread that is about something as tragic and horrifying as the murder of these four law enforcement officers. The thread should be about THEM and about the capture of the person who did this. What is scary about this perp is the fact that he had the gall to shoot and kill FOUR armed police officers, what would he do if he came face to face with an unarmed civilian? He has no fear. He will kill anyone who gets in his way!

[Chica]

to be fair I don't think he was a sex offender when incarcerated in AK that came later here in WA

I wondered why he was labeled a RSO, but I read that somewhere although his first sex offense appears to be the one he was just jailed for. I didn't think SOs were afforded bail, but I guess it's only murder where you can be held WO bail. I was reading about Huckabee's clemencys (sp) and was stunned to read he granted clemency to 12 convicted murders.

[aproudmom]

to be fair I don't think he was a sex offender when incarcerated in AK that came later here in WA

I still can not beleive they allowed him out on bond if it was 3 strikes/life if convicted. :confused: IMO that is a reason for someone to run.

OH my player just came on but no picture anyone got a live shot of anything?

[aproudmom]

omg all those guys on that truck something is going down

[aproudmom]

House is surrounded yelling to come out..for anyone who can not see live feed

[aproudmom]

I pray no one else gets hurt my prayers are with all those men and women right now

[Anakerie]

omg all those guys on that truck something is going down
I didn't have my player up and am tuning in late.. What am I seeing here? A door with smoke coming out? Someone yelling "get down on the ground"? My feed keeps freezing.. Grrr...

[emdragon]

http://www.komonews.com/news/photos/78108317.html

some great photo's.

[LadyFuzz]

Does anyone with a feed know if they got him?

[watson]

Just wanted to add my condolences. A very sad day all over the US of A. I weep...

[AlohaRainbow]

Kent is right by Fife. You probably know that already though.
oh, thanks. no, i didn't know that. (i live in hawaii and am not too familiar with washington).

sure will be praying for the safety of everyone in the area

[Anakerie]

Does anyone with a feed know if they got him?
The feed cut out and its on a test pattern right now. Not even the usual view of the space needle.

[LadyFuzz]

The feed cut out and its on a test pattern right now. Not even the usual view of the space needle.

I've been glued to the feed most of the day and it's out now. Oh, I hope they got him. I really don't think it will take to long to get him. jmo

[AlohaRainbow]

I didn't have my player up and am tuning in late.. What am I seeing here? A door with smoke coming out? Someone yelling "get down on the ground"? My feed keeps freezing.. Grrr...

is there a link to what you're seeing??

[LadyFuzz]

is there a link to what you're seeing??

http://mfile.akamai.com/12926/live/reflector:36238.asx

It's down right now.

[emdragon]

Reward is now up to $120,000

[AlohaRainbow]

http://mfile.akamai.com/12926/live/reflector:36238.asx

It's down right now.

thanks!:smile:

[aproudmom]

http://mfile.akamai.com/12926/live/reflector:36238.asx

It's down right now.

Wonder if that was live or from earlier it did not stay on live feed for long:confused:

[Anakerie]

http://mfile.akamai.com/12926/live/reflector:36238.asx

It's down right now.
Its back to the view of the space needle and the Seattle skyline...

[emdragon]

So far nothing breaking on the three local networks.

[LadyFuzz]

Wonder if that was live or from earlier it did not stay on live feed for long:confused:

I don't know if it was from earlier. I missed it. No breaking news on TV they got him. Maybe the link went off the air for the night. I've got the space needle.

[aproudmom]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010385449_weblakewood29m.html

Sunday's tragedy rocked a police agency that has been in existence for only five years.

Lakewood, a city of nearly 60,000, was incorporated in 1996, but contracted for law-enforcement services with the Pierce County Sheriff's Office until 2004, when Lakewood created its own police department.

According to its Web site, the Lakewood Police Department has 123 staff members including 120 commissioned officers, eight community-service officers, two animal-control officers and 11 civilian support staff.

The slain officers were all part of Lakewood's initial police department startup five years ago," the statement said. "All transferred to Lakewood as commissioned law enforcement officers from other jurisdictions. Their dedication and selfless service contributed immensely toward the successful creation of the Lakewood Police Department.

"Today we have four fewer officers from our force of one hundred commissioned officers. They will be sorely missed. Support from other law enforcement agencies has been very responsive and deeply appreciated."
:crying:

[aproudmom]

I don't know if it was from earlier. I missed it. No breaking news on TV they got him. Maybe the link went off the air for the night. I've got the space needle.

Me to that's all I have now it showed then surrounding a home. I will just leave it on and wait to see if anything comes on. I can not stop thinking of all of those family members right now I did not even know them but as you know when you worked or work or have family in LE it really hits home and just seeing everyone on here today shows it touches everyone. So many prayers are being said tonight.

[jadite]

Local Q 13 news is reporting that they are expanding their search.

[Anakerie]

Statement from Huckabee on Maurice Clemmons

http://arkansasnews.com/2009/11/30/statement-from-huckabee-on-maurice-clemmons/
Huckabee is sure trying to sidestep the issue. Blame it on everyone else....... Typical politician.

I sure hope they find this guy soon. And I hope they can get him in custody without anyone else being harmed.

[emdragon]

Huckabee is sure trying to sidestep the issue. Blame it on everyone else....... Typical politician.

I sure hope they find this guy soon. And I hope they can get him in custody without anyone else being harmed.

glad I wasn't the only one who read his statement as passing the buck non apologetically.

Waiting on a live report that LE MAY have located Clemmons.

[LisaM22]

lets not make this thread political, Huckabee is a good guy, not someone I would ever want to be president, but I think he is a good guy and I do not think he should be blamed for this mans actions (if this is indeed the cop killer)

[emdragon]

a lot of activity in the area around Yessler. SWAT team and many officers setting up a large response.

Clemmons was suppose to be wearing a monitor and a neighbor said LE WAS watching him closely- parking next door out in the open.

I believe in second chances but I also believe in accountability so Huckabee blaming the system in WA outrages me. How DARE he even attempt to blame anyone in this state. Clemmons would not have been here in the first place if not for Huckabee. He needs to at least be a MAN and admit he made a bad call. And not continue to blame the very state devastated by his error in judgment in 2000.

[emdragon]

LE is telling people in the neighborhood to lock their doors. Sounds like they have a good tip, hope it pans out.

[LisaM22]

LE is telling people in the neighborhood to lock their doors. Sounds like they have a good tip, hope it pans out.

omg, I would be scared to death if I lived there, I would turn on all the lights inside and out...

[emdragon]

lets not make this thread political, Huckabee is a good guy, not someone I would ever want to be president, but I think he is a good guy and I do not think he should be blamed for this mans actions (if this is indeed the cop killer)

Is Huckabee to blame for this mans actions? No but he is to blame for this guy even being in the state to commit these murders.

It is political but far beyond that it is PERSONEL for the people of Lakewood and the state of WA. All I as from Huckabee is for him to admit he made a mistake and stop blaming everyone else.

[Anakerie]

a lot of activity in the area around Yessler. SWAT team and many officers setting up a large response.

Clemmons was suppose to be wearing a monitor and a neighbor said LE WAS watching him closely- parking next door out in the open.

I believe in second chances but I also believe in accountability so Huckabee blaming the system in WA outrages me. How DARE he even attempt to blame anyone in this state. Clemmons would not have been here in the first place if not for Huckabee. He needs to at least be a MAN and admit he made a bad call. And not continue to blame the very state devastated by his error in judgment in 2000.
Where is Yessler, emdragon? The only part of the Sea-Tac area I am familiar with is the I5 corridor because I used to drive it.. A lot.

[emdragon]

omg, I would be scared to death if I lived there, I would turn on all the lights inside and out...

You and me both. I really hope this is THE tip. Having this guy off the street would go a long way toward this community being able to start the healing process.

[emdragon]

Where is Yessler, emdragon? The only part of the Sea-Tac area I am familiar with is the I5 corridor because I used to drive it.. A lot.

http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=yessler+in+seattle&fb=1&gl=us&hq=yessler&hnear=seattle&cid=0,0,13581508972783535118&ei=KWcTS9vuA5KgsgOkvc3CAQ&sa=X&oi=local_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CAoQnwIwAA

Looks like it is not far from Lake Washington.

[Anakerie]

Interesting. I found a fellow on twitter that is posting about what is happening with a "stand-off" with the person of interest...

http://twitter.com/mcnerthney
TV crews getting ready to go live at 11 from Lakewood person of interest standoff. http://yfrog.com/4e1uupj

Police telling neighbors near Lakewood person of interest standoff to stay inside. Said man is unpredictable.

A pic from the edge of the SWAT standoff with person of interest in Lakewood police shooting. http://yfrog.com/4e76214136j
He's also posted that negotiators are "at work"... It's almost 11 so we should have some news soon, I hope!

[aproudmom]

Interesting. I found a fellow on twitter that is posting about what is happening with a "stand-off" with the person of interest...

http://twitter.com/mcnerthney
TV crews getting ready to go live at 11 from Lakewood person of interest standoff. http://yfrog.com/4e1uupj

Police telling neighbors near Lakewood person of interest standoff to stay inside. Said man is unpredictable.

A pic from the edge of the SWAT standoff with person of interest in Lakewood police shooting. http://yfrog.com/4e76214136j
He's also posted that negotiators are "at work"... It's almost 11 so we should have some news soon, I hope!

Thanks Anakerie I just hope it ends with him in custody and no more officers harmed or worse.

[Anakerie]

I'm watching the live stream on the King5 website and from what they are reporting, this guy is one very scary dude!

http://www.king5.com/home/Video-stream-66419867.html

[emdragon]

Thanks. Why do I always forget twitter?
Nothing about a standoff on the news but it sure sounds like they may have at least found this guy.


Anakerie he sounds crazy as a bed bug along with all that scary.

[aproudmom]

End of Watch: Sunday, November 29, 2009


Sgt. Mark Renninger

Officer Ronald Owens

Officer Tina Griswold

Officer Greg Richards

:patriot:

Thank you for your service

[Anakerie]

Thanks. Why do I always forget twitter?
Nothing about a standoff on the news but it sure sounds like they may have at least found this guy.


Anakerie he sounds crazy as a bed bug along with all that scary.
I got in the habit of checking out twitter because some of the guys I talk to about fire news and disasters also post on there. They also have been posting and following the news in Seattle the same way I have been today..

The law enforcement family and the fire service family aren't that different. Both have family members serving the public and both families feel the loss of a member from either family, especially if its a "line of duty death". I've seen fire fighters lined up to salute a fallen law enforcement officer and I've seen law enforcement officers lining up to salute a fallen fire fighter.

[aproudmom]

Thanks. Why do I always forget twitter?
Nothing about a standoff on the news but it sure sounds like they may have at least found this guy.


Anakerie he sounds crazy as a bed bug along with all that scary.

I would be scared to death if I lived anywhere near there.


Police surround Seattle home where person of interest in police shooting may be hiding

A SWAT team and police negotiators have surrounded a home in Seattle's Leschi neighborhood where the man sought for questioning in the Lakewood police shooting may be hiding.

Police responded to the home at East Yesler Way and 32nd Avenue South around 8:44 p.m. A woman who was leaving the home. was stopped by officers and told them Maurice Clemmons was on the property and bleeding, according to a law enforcement source.

The woman told police that someone had dropped Clemmons off at a home, on East Superior Street.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010386387_webleschihome29m.html

[emdragon]

I got in the habit of checking out twitter because some of the guys I talk to about fire news and disasters also post on there. They also have been posting and following the news in Seattle the same way I have been today..

The law enforcement family and the fire service family aren't that different. Both have family members serving the public and both families feel the loss of a member from either family, especially if its a "line of duty death". I've seen fire fighters lined up to salute a fallen law enforcement officer and I've seen law enforcement officers lining up to salute a fallen fire fighter.

i agree about LE and Fire Fighters- we had a local fire fighter die fighting a wild fire in CA 2 years ago and the show of respect and loss is the same for both.

Twitter was the 3rd place I checked this morning when I got the CNN text but total forgot to keep checking it-


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010386387_webleschihome29m.html

This says Clemmons is on the property and BLEEDING per woman leaving the home. It seems it is his Aunts home.

You totally beat me Proudmom

[Anakerie]

Ok, I'm done watching the King5 live stream.. I have absolutely NO interest in basketball games..

I think I'm going to go to bed and hope that there will be news in the morning about the capture of Clemmons. Good night all...

[emdragon]

Ok, I'm done watching the King5 live stream.. I have absolutely NO interest in basketball games..

I think I'm going to go to bed and hope that there will be news in the morning about the capture of Clemmons. Good night all...

Good night

[aproudmom]

I'm watching the live stream on the King5 website and from what they are reporting, this guy is one very scary dude!

http://www.king5.com/home/Video-stream-66419867.html

link did not work for me is it still on

[emdragon]

link did not work for me is it still on

News is over so it is probably off the air.