Caylee 11/27-11/30

[desmom]

Good Morning All! :seeya:

[Sun]

Good morning everyone! Let's hope that everyone had a wonderful Thanksgiving with family or friends. In two weeks, Casey has a two court hearings, one for the criminal check/fraud case, and one to hear motions in the murder case.

[desmom]

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Check Fraud Charges: 12/11/2009 Hearing (9:30 AM)

Murder Charges: 12/11/2009 Hearing (9:30 AM) for Protective Order Motion to Strike Notice of Deposition and Motion

Civil Case: 11/02/2009 Answer to Amended Complaint/Petition and amended counter-claim and affirmative defenses
11/03/2009 Answer to Counter Claim/Petition
11/24/2009 Notice for Trial

[desmom]

Good morning everyone! Let's hope that everyone had a wonderful Thanksgiving with family or friends. In two weeks, Casey has a two court hearings, one for the criminal check/fraud case, and one to hear motions in the murder case.

Good Morning Sun! :seeya:

We must be on the same thought wave this morning. I was looking for the next court days when you posted.

ETA ~ Is the Motion to Strike Notice of Deposition re Dominic Casey?

[Sun]

Good Morning Sun! :seeya:

We must be on the same thought wave this morning. I was looking for the next court days when you posted.

ETA ~ Is the Motion to Strike Notice of Deposition re Dominic Casey?

Probably. The State had scheduled DCasey to sit for a deposition in November, however it was rescheduled to sometime in December. I can't remember the exact date though.

[kOOkie1]

:seeya:
Morning Everyone..Hope everyone had a wonderful Thanksgiving with Family..Friends..Love & Lots of good food!..
Q.. Does Amy have to be present at the Check Fraud Hearing..or just her Lawyer?..
( Also wondering why the A's dont sit closer since it would be easier to get a glimse or nod from their Adoring Daughter Baby Killer..seems like they are always in the back)

[Sun]

Morgan/Mitnik also have now asked that a TRIAL DATE be set for the Civil Case. I am going to be extremely disappointed if Judge Rodriguez keeps giving them the run-around.

[cassidy]

Morgan/Mitnik also have now asked that a TRIAL DATE be set for the Civil Case. I am going to be extremely disappointed if Judge Rodriguez keeps giving them the run-around.

Rodriguez seems like the runaround type. I'm prepared to be disappointed.

JMO

[*MoonRider*]

Morgan/Mitnik also have now asked that a TRIAL DATE be set for the Civil Case. I am going to be extremely disappointed if Judge Rodriguez keeps giving them the run-around.

Good morning. I wonder if Jose wishes he would have settled this case early on instead of filing his counter suit?

[Sun]

Rodriguez seems like the runaround type. I'm prepared to be disappointed.

JMO

IMO, Judge Rodriguez is doing many things to avoid making a decision on whether to delay the Civil Case until after the Murder Case is held. I'm thinking that we likely may see Kasen filing yet again, to have the case stayed until after the Murder Case. And, that the Judge will delay acting on setting a trial date, because of this motion that I'm sure Kasen will file. (and it's going to take Kasen 3-4 months to get a court hearing date).

Hearing set for January 10, 2010 --In January the judge will decide if a private investigator will have to go through depositions with Gonzalez’s attorneys and if the private investigator Dominic Casey will be fined. They claim he lied under oath.

[Sun]

Good morning. I wonder if Jose wishes he would have settled this case early on instead of filing his counter suit?

I'm so confused as to how Casey can file a counter-suit, yet never take action to move it towards trial.

Lyon has interjected herself into the criminal check/fraud case (her pro hac vice still appears to have not yet been approved though). Will Lyon also try to interject herself into the Civil Case?

[Kathlb]

I'm so confused as to how Casey can file a counter-suit, yet never take action to move it towards trial.

Lyon has interjected herself into the criminal check/fraud case (her pro hac vice still appears to have not yet been approved though). Will Lyon also try to interject herself into the Civil Case?

I am guessing that she wants to elbow her way into every aspect of Casey's trials. She is steam rolling along trying to further her name in lights is my take on her. (well one of my takes). MOO

[Jeepers]

Good morning Everyone :seeya:

Sitting in my hubby's hospital room. He is asleep. I love WiFI.
Thinking...
I hope everyone's Thanksgiving was wonderful. Mine and Hubby's went Bust!
Hubby admitted to hospital Wednesday afternoon. Pancretitis we thought it was gastritis. Scary when you self diagnose yourself.
Very painful.

I was thinking about the comparison of my Thanksgiving and Casey's
even though I do have a conscience that she appears not to have.
Very lonely yesterday at lunch time,knowing that the family was all together and eating all the favorites the kids asked grandma to make.
It was sad that KC made a choice to put herself where she is at today and where Caylee is at is even sadder. Caylee is going on 5 and what a wonderful age that is.The holidays and children. What fun!

It was great when everyone came to the hospital yesterday afternoon to visit with us and know that they are supporting us and love us.
I can't believe KC chooses to live in solitude. It is a hopless place to be.
Without my family and my husband's family I would have been very scared Wednesday night without their support.
I don't know how KC stood up to the killing Caylee and then to face LE and never crack.
Just amazing how you can get to such a lonely place (in your head).
during the holidays.

[Scampi]

Aw Jeep, very sorry about your Hubbie. Your family here is thinking about you both and hoping he makes a quick recovery.

I was thinking on the little jailbird with her pressed turkey roll too yesterday. So many lives ruined because of her selfish, violent actions.

Bella Vita? I don't think so KC.

[Dunlurken]

Good morning Everyone :seeya:

Sitting in my hubby's hospital room. He is asleep. I love WiFI.
Thinking...
I hope everyone's Thanksgiving was wonderful. Mine and Hubby's went Bust!
Hubby admitted to hospital Wednesday afternoon. Pancretitis we thought it was gastritis. Scary when you self diagnose yourself.
Very painful.

I was thinking about the comparison of my Thanksgiving and Casey's
even though I do have a conscience that she appears not to have.
Very lonely yesterday at lunch time,knowing that the family was all together and eating all the favorites the kids asked grandma to make.
It was sad that KC made a choice to put herself where she is at today and where Caylee is at is even sadder. Caylee is going on 5 and what a wonderful age that is.The holidays and children. What fun!

It was great when everyone came to the hospital yesterday afternoon to visit with us and know that they are supporting us and love us.
I can't believe KC chooses to live in solitude. It is a hopless place to be.
Without my family and my husband's family I would have been very scared Wednesday night without their support.
I don't know how KC stood up to the killing Caylee and then to face LE and never crack.
Just amazing how you can get to such a lonely place (in your head).
during the holidays.
Awwww Jeepers, hang in there. I hope hubby will be just fine. Keep us posted.

I try not to think about Casey too much. Not worth my brain cells. She's a sociopath, which I just don't understand. And, yes Caylee would be 5 this coming August 9. I know this because she's the same age as my grand daughter, born only 6 days apart.

Hugs,
Dunnie.

[cassidy]

Hope everything turns out OK with your Hubby Jeepers. The hospital is a lonely place to be on any day and worse on a holiday. I would imagine that a jail cell is even lonelier. I would hope that the Anthony's and Casey's minds all went to Caylee yesterday and that they realized what they were all missing. And I hope it hurt. Their holidays are forever changed. Maybe somehow George and Cindy will find it in their hearts to do they right thing by Caylee, even if it means losing their daughter. It's the season of miracles and one can always hope.

JMO

[Jeepers]

Thank you everyone for the kind words and prayers.

I just know that when things happen in my family how everyone comes to the rescue. There is no saving KC. There is nothing anyone can physically do to help calm her fears or make things go away. The Anthony's spout their love and support for her yet their actions speak louder than words. They know she killed Caylee and even though they lie and say vile things to the public, LE and anybody else in their way at the end of the day they are at a hopeless place.

[Sun]

Cindy said something (I think in her State Depo) that has me wondering. She said something like, "I'm supposed to be journaling every day, but just can't do it." Or something like that.

So WHY is Cindy SUPPOSED to be journaling? Perhaps she's in counseling and this is what her counselor wants her to do? Perhaps she's doing it because she has a future book deal? What do you all think the reason could be? (or I suppose Cindy could just have lied about it too)

[AMS]

Good morning Everyone :seeya:

Sitting in my hubby's hospital room. He is asleep. I love WiFI.
Thinking...
I hope everyone's Thanksgiving was wonderful. Mine and Hubby's went Bust!
Hubby admitted to hospital Wednesday afternoon. Pancretitis we thought it was gastritis. Scary when you self diagnose yourself.
Very painful.

I was thinking about the comparison of my Thanksgiving and Casey's
even though I do have a conscience that she appears not to have.
Very lonely yesterday at lunch time,knowing that the family was all together and eating all the favorites the kids asked grandma to make.
It was sad that KC made a choice to put herself where she is at today and where Caylee is at is even sadder. Caylee is going on 5 and what a wonderful age that is.The holidays and children. What fun!

It was great when everyone came to the hospital yesterday afternoon to visit with us and know that they are supporting us and love us.
I can't believe KC chooses to live in solitude. It is a hopless place to be.
Without my family and my husband's family I would have been very scared Wednesday night without their support.
I don't know how KC stood up to the killing Caylee and then to face LE and never crack.
Just amazing how you can get to such a lonely place (in your head).
during the holidays.

Jeepers - sending good thoughts to you and your husband.

Thought of Caylee a few times yesterday as I was was looking at the younger kids watching the parade. :sad:

[tia marie]

Cindy said something (I think in her State Depo) that has me wondering. She said something like, "I'm supposed to be journaling every day, but just can't do it." Or something like that.

So WHY is Cindy SUPPOSED to be journaling? Perhaps she's in counseling and this is what her counselor wants her to do? Perhaps she's doing it because she has a future book deal? What do you all think the reason could be? (or I suppose Cindy could just have lied about it too)

I have to say I beleive Cindy is definetly planning on a book deal. Can you just picture her on a book tour, TV appearances, book signings? Ah, the possibilties. Instead of visions of sugarplums this season, Cindy has visions of granduer.

[Dunlurken]

Thank you everyone for the kind words and prayers.

I just know that when things happen in my family how everyone comes to the rescue. There is no saving KC. There is nothing anyone can physically do to help calm her fears or make things go away. The Anthony's spout their love and support for her yet their actions speak louder than words. They know she killed Caylee and even though they lie and say vile things to the public, LE and anybody else in their way at the end of the day they are at a hopeless place.
Yes, they (George and Cindy) are in a hopeless place, and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. JMO.

Isn't it odd how these cases touch our lives so much. I REFUSE to let my grand daughter learn the song "You Are My Sunshine". That was Caylee's song, IMO. When grand daughter was about 2, her mom wanted to dress her in the skunk costume that Neil Entwistle's daughter wore before she was murdered, I said don't do it, here's why and showed her a picture of that beautiful baby. My daughter said that I was a nut case, which I may well be LOL, but my grand daughter didn't wear that costume that year. JMO.

[Julie Dupree]

Cindy said something (I think in her State Depo) that has me wondering. She said something like, "I'm supposed to be journaling every day, but just can't do it." Or something like that.

So WHY is Cindy SUPPOSED to be journaling? Perhaps she's in counseling and this is what her counselor wants her to do? Perhaps she's doing it because she has a future book deal? What do you all think the reason could be? (or I suppose Cindy could just have lied about it too)

Good Morning, I think Cindy's journal is something she does to keep her stories straight. I think she carries this journal (white notebook) around with her every where. While she may not be keeping this updated as much as she did in the beginning, I think it is an ongoing project for her.
JMO

[Julie Dupree]

I have to say I beleive Cindy is definetly planning on a book deal. Can you just picture her on a book tour, TV appearances, book signings? Ah, the possibilties. Instead of visions of sugarplums this season, Cindy has visions of granduer.

I am sure she sees many similarities between herself and Sarah P.

[Sun]

Good Morning, I think Cindy's journal is something she does to keep her stories straight. I think she carries this journal (white notebook) around with her every where. While she may not be keeping this updated as much as she did in the beginning, I think it is an ongoing project for her.
JMO

That's an interesting thought and entirely possible. So you think that she is doing it in order to keep her stories straight and for her own personal purposes.

[Jeepers]

Yes, they (George and Cindy) are in a hopeless place, and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. JMO.

Isn't it odd how these cases touch our lives so much. I REFUSE to let my grand daughter learn the song "You Are My Sunshine". That was Caylee's song, IMO. When grand daughter was about 2, her mom wanted to dress her in the skunk costume that Neil Entwistle's daughter wore before she was murdered, I said don't do it, here's why and showed her a picture of that beautiful baby. My daughter said that I was a nut case, which I may well be LOL, but my grand daughter didn't wear that costume that year. JMO.

Dun,
I guess we are all nuts that we follow this case so close. I agree with your crazy rational. "You are My Sunshine" is an ole time favorite of our Bluegrass group but now when we play it, it has a different meaning and not a fun sing along for me anymore.
This case has really made people aware of how the brain can get cross wired. KC looks like a functional 23 year old on the outside but when the ugly from the inside comes out it is scary to know how her mind really works. I listen to people talk with a little more intensity when they get off with their me isms.

[SandyO]

A question is sticking in the forefront of my mind and just won't go away. Re the murder case: It appears the defense wants to propose other scenarios/theories, and "consider that maybe Kronk did it" is the most recent deviation from the Nanny story. How in the world is the defense going to get away from the Nanny lies without putting Casey on the stand to testify/explain? It will require Baez, et al, to come up with new lies to cover that one if they hope to accomplish escaping the Nanny line.........but even so, how will they get it before a jury or even before the general public?

[Julie Dupree]

Hope everything turns out OK with your Hubby Jeepers. The hospital is a lonely place to be on any day and worse on a holiday. I would imagine that a jail cell is even lonelier. I would hope that the Anthony's and Casey's minds all went to Caylee yesterday and that they realized what they were all missing. And I hope it hurt. Their holidays are forever changed. Maybe somehow George and Cindy will find it in their hearts to do they right thing by Caylee, even if it means losing their daughter. It's the season of miracles and one can always hope.

JMO

BBM
I don't think it would necessarily mean they would have to lose their daughter. People often have to travel to see family members who live some place else. Caylee and Casey will never again be a part of their holiday festivities. They can either accept this and make other arrangements to go to her, or spend their days blaming someone else.
Caylee is gone, and Casey can't "come home again". This does not mean they have lost Casey, just have her in a different way. Who they have lost is Caylee.

[Sun]

I have to say I beleive Cindy is definetly planning on a book deal. Can you just picture her on a book tour, TV appearances, book signings? Ah, the possibilties. Instead of visions of sugarplums this season, Cindy has visions of granduer.

I can't picture her doing a book tour. The media is just "using" Cindy and when Casey is convicted, Cindy's media appearances will quickly come to an end. JMO

Did Cindy tell a lie in her State Depo, when she said she was a natural blond? I've seen her eyebrows, and IMO they appear a way too dark for a natural blond. (guess what I'm doing today?)

[Sun]

A question is sticking in the forefront of my mind and just won't go away. Re the murder case: It appears the defense wants to propose other scenarios/theories, and "consider that maybe Kronk did it" is the most recent deviation from the Nanny story. How in the world is the defense going to get away from the Nanny lies without putting Casey on the stand to testify/explain? It will require Baez, et al, to come up with new lies to cover that one if they hope to accomplish escaping the Nanny line.........but even so, how will they get it before a jury or even before the general public?

It could be that they are planning in their opening statement, to say that Casey may have lied to LE because she was scared. And, that they might say that just because Casey was scared and lied, that it doesn't prove that she had anything to do with proving that Casey murdered anyone. (imo, none of this would work, as Casey continued to still say that Zenaida had her child in the DCF August interview)

[Julie Dupree]

That's an interesting thought and entirely possible. So you think that she is doing it in order to keep her stories straight and for her own personal purposes.

Who knows...she changes her stories like most people change items of personal clothing. I think when she began it was to help Casey. I am not sure of that any more because I have heard her say several things that were not helpful to Casey. Maybe she is keeping notes for a book, but I don't know that she organized well enough for such an endeavor. From what I know of her, her attention span is not very long...hence the note book. So, I guess there are lots of reasons why she keeps notes, or as she says "journals".

[Jeepers]

I can't picture her doing a book tour. The media is just "using" Cindy and when Casey is convicted, Cindy's media appearances will quickly come to an end. JMO

Did Cindy tell a lie in her State Depo, when she said she was a natural blond? I've seen her eyebrows, and IMO they appear a way too dark for a natural blond. (guess what I'm doing today?)

I agree a book tour would not be in cindy's future unless it was behind bullet proof glass. She is not a likeable person to begin with. The public would not be kind to her appearance at book signings just my opinion.
I agree that when the trial is over so will the TV appearances and $$.
Yeah cindy's hair color Natural Blonde Right! Why do they lie about everything? They lie about the least things so lying about bigger things is natural. That is the only Natural about her. A natural blonde liar. ok.

[SandyO]

It could be that they are planning in their opening statement, to say that Casey may have lied to LE because she was scared. And, that they might say that just because Casey was scared and lied, that it doesn't prove that she had anything to do with proving that Casey murdered anyone. (imo, none of this would work, as Casey continued to still say that Zenaida had her child in the DCF August interview)

Gee, thank you, Sun. That helps. I was forgetting that they can say just about anything they want in opening statements without having any way to back it up further along in the proceedings. (Remembering Geragos/Peterson now). That's got to be the answer --- it's got to be.

[Dunlurken]

And let us not forget you can't unring a bell. However, that goes both ways. Both prosecution and defense will have to tread very carefully. JMO.

[Kathlb]

Jeepers...sending huge healing thoughts your way for hubby. Well, for sure you won't forget this Thanksgiving. I'm sorry it had to turn out the way it did and scare you both too I'll bet. ((((HUGS))))

I think Cindy is preparing for a book deal. I imagine the firm that she contacted before that said they had no plans on that score, told her to keep her journal every day and when this is all done with, they will take a look and see if they think it is worth publishing. MOO

[Dunlurken]

Jeepers...sending huge healing thoughts your way for hubby. Well, for sure you won't forget this Thanksgiving. I'm sorry it had to turn out the way it did and scare you both too I'll bet. ((((HUGS))))

I think Cindy is preparing for a book deal. I imagine the firm that she contacted before that said they had no plans on that score, told her to keep her journal every day and when this is all done with, they will take a look and see if they think it is worth publishing. MOOWhy would anyone buy her book? :confused:

Is she going to call it "Casey and Me"?

[Sun]

Gee, thank you, Sun. That helps. I was forgetting that they can say just about anything they want in opening statements without having any way to back it up further along in the proceedings. (Remembering Geragos/Peterson now). That's got to be the answer --- it's got to be.

The opening statement from the defense will be interesting to hear... though I fear that it will raise my blood pressure to unhealthy highs.

[SandyO]

Why would anyone buy her book? :confused:

Is she going to call it "Casey and Me"?

No kidding. We already know what it would be full of.

[Kathlb]

Why would anyone buy her book? :confused:

Is she going to call it "Casey and Me"?

I don't know Dunnie, she may not want to share the title name with Casey. It's all about Cindy you know. :biggrin: I'm predicting if she does and can find a publisher, it will be a huge flop. A HUGE waste.

[SandyO]

The opening statement from the defense will be interesting to hear... though I fear that it will raise my blood pressure to unhealthy highs.

That's the God's honest truth. I had to laugh a few days ago when some of our posters said they could actually FEEL their blood pressure going up at the news of Kronk going under the bus.

[Sun]

Thanks everyone for your opinions on why Cindy was supposed to be journaling. I find it interesting that nobody said that it might be due to any professional counseling that Cindy may be undergoing. I didn't really think that it was because a professional counselor wanted Cindy to be journaling either. ...but because Cindy saying that she wasn't keeping up with her journaling, I was waivering just a bit.

[PuffDragon]

Good morning Everyone :seeya:

Sitting in my hubby's hospital room. He is asleep. I love WiFI.
Thinking...

*Respectfully snipped for space*

Just amazing how you can get to such a lonely place (in your head).
during the holidays.

Good morning Jeepers. Hope hubby is doing better today.
Somehow emergencies seem even worse when they disrupt a holiday that has been lovingly anticipated and prepared for.

Your response is how most people feel, it's hard to be isolated from family and friends who support and love us. But sociopaths like Casey don't have the same feelings...... no feelings, actually, and she probably was just as happy in her 'dorm room' with her pressed turkey as she would have been in the middle of a family gathering in front of a table laden with all sorts of holiday goodies. No, actually she probably was even happier because she would not have had to act like a normal person, interact with the others, smile and be pleasant, when there was nothing in it for her but a meal. She got the meal without having to exert herself. She probably likes it better.

If you want to feel sorry that she's having that experience, it's probably more appropriate to feel sorry because she's an empty husk who can't feel the love and support you felt when your family went to the hospital to be there for you and your hubby. Now that's where the sadness lies.

[Dunlurken]

I don't know Dunnie, she may not want to share the title name with Casey. It's all about Cindy you know. :biggrin: I'm predicting if she does and can find a publisher, it will be a huge flop. A HUGE waste.

Sharon Rocha wrote a book called "Laci and Me", sold big time. That's a whole different ball of wax from what Cindy could write a book about. I just can't see anything we would be interested in hearing from her that we don't already know. JMO.

[Sun]

That's the God's honest truth. I had to laugh a few days ago when some of our posters said they could actually FEEL their blood pressure going up at the news of Kronk going under the bus.

When I get upset with the defense's antics, I tend to get up from my computer chair and go outside for a walk. This case sure has improved my fitness level, in addition to conditioning me to not get so upset. By trial time, I probably should see about getting my computer installed on a treadmill. :laugh:

[PuffDragon]

I have to say I beleive Cindy is definetly planning on a book deal. Can you just picture her on a book tour, TV appearances, book signings? Ah, the possibilties. Instead of visions of sugarplums this season, Cindy has visions of granduer.

I don't think she's mentally disciplined enough to put a book together. At least, not a book anybody would be interested in. More likely it would be a litany of how she feels about everything and everybody that has intersected her path since all this happened and how her life will never be the same and moan and groan and throw dirt at people......... who would want to read that????

She probably thinks the world is waiting with bated breath for her book, though. But I guess if she's actually not journaling it would all be our of her memory, wouldn't it? It would all be fiction one way or another.I wouldn't give her satisfaction by reading it.

[PuffDragon]

Good Morning, I think Cindy's journal is something she does to keep her stories straight. I think she carries this journal (white notebook) around with her every where. While she may not be keeping this updated as much as she did in the beginning, I think it is an ongoing project for her.
JMO

Very good point.

I wonder why she isn't doing it regularly any more? Is she bored with the whole thing by now, or is it that there's just not much more for her to add?

[Sun]

Why would anyone buy her book? :confused:

Is she going to call it "Casey and Me"?

More like Cindy and family. It would be about Cindy raising her children. The focus being on Cindy. JMO :wink:

[Dunlurken]

I'm curious about some of the items found in Casey's car. Besides the big can of Arm and Hammer, there was a bunch of other stuff, like an empty bologna container, the pizza box, a stouffer's dinner thing (more than one), and I'm wondering if Casey used to feed Caylee bologna sandwiches, frozen TV dinners, etc., before she chloroformed her. Just my idle thoughts, and JMO.

[PuffDragon]

A question is sticking in the forefront of my mind and just won't go away. Re the murder case: It appears the defense wants to propose other scenarios/theories, and "consider that maybe Kronk did it" is the most recent deviation from the Nanny story. How in the world is the defense going to get away from the Nanny lies without putting Casey on the stand to testify/explain? It will require Baez, et al, to come up with new lies to cover that one if they hope to accomplish escaping the Nanny line.........but even so, how will they get it before a jury or even before the general public?


I'm always amused at the way defense lawyers make pronouncements as if they had been right there at the scene when the event occurred and they aver that the defendant did not do it, did not do it the way the prosecution has speculated, in fact wasn't even there when it happened.......... Its even funnier when the story keeps changing. They have to 'forget' what they said before, and somehow they manage to do it with a straight face. It's just something about the way they present themselves, not that they sound as if they believe their clients, not that they act as if they are sure that their clients have told them the absolute truth, but that they knowfor a factthat it all happened exactly this way because they know. It isn't just Dear Jose doing it ( oh, sorry, I guess he's realized by now that he isn't so dear any more), it comes out of all of them. Must be a course they all have to take in law school, huh?

[SandyO]

When I get upset with the defense's antics, I tend to get up from my computer chair and go outside for a walk. This case sure has improved my fitness level, in addition to conditioning me to not get so upset. By trial time, I probably should see about getting my computer installed on a treadmill. :laugh:

Hilarious! My uncle's doctor instructed him to stop watching baseball because he was afraid it would give my uncle a heart attack. If a baseball game could give my uncle a heart attack, this case could give me a stroke, and I'm already thinking of skipping the broadcast of opening statements and just reading about it here, instead.

[Jeepers]

Why would anyone buy her book? :confused:

Is she going to call it "Casey and Me"?

That is funny. Casey and Me we are just alike! That should be classified as a mystery/horror book.

[PuffDragon]

Thanks everyone for your opinions on why Cindy was supposed to be journaling. I find it interesting that nobody said that it might be due to any professional counseling that Cindy may be undergoing. I didn't really think that it was because a professional counselor wanted Cindy to be journaling either. ...but because Cindy saying that she wasn't keeping up with her journaling, I was waivering just a bit.

My bold

I have never been able to imagine Cindy actually making use of any kind of professional counseling or being able to follow a counselor's advice. She already knows what's best, why would she want to change?

[Sun]

I'm always amused at the way defense lawyers make pronouncements as if they had been right there at the scene when the event occurred and they aver that the defendant did not do it, did not do it the way the prosecution has speculated, in fact wasn't even there when it happened.......... Its even funnier when the story keeps changing. They have to 'forget' what they said before, and somehow they manage to do it with a straight face. It's just something about the way they present themselves, not that they sound as if they believe their clients, not that they act as if they are sure that their clients have told them the absolute truth, but that they knowfor a factthat it all happened exactly this way because they know. It isn't just Dear Jose doing it ( oh, sorry, I guess he's realized by now that he isn't so dear any more), it comes out of all of them. Must be a course they all have to take in law school, huh?

I was amused (not sure this is the right word) that Baez stood in the courtroom and stated that he'd talked with his client that day, and that she had waived her appearance at the court hearing that day. Especially when I later viewed Casey's inmate visitor's log, and saw that Baez hadn't visited her that day, or even the previous two days. ....that is the court hearing where Judge Strickland ordered Casey to be brought to the hearing.

Can an attorney call the jail and ask to speak with their client? Can they do this at all hours, or can they do this during a specified time, or is this not allowed at all?

[SandyO]

I'm always amused at the way defense lawyers make pronouncements as if they had been right there at the scene when the event occurred and they aver that the defendant did not do it, did not do it the way the prosecution has speculated, in fact wasn't even there when it happened.......... Its even funnier when the story keeps changing. They have to 'forget' what they said before, and somehow they manage to do it with a straight face. It's just something about the way they present themselves, not that they sound as if they believe their clients, not that they act as if they are sure that their clients have told them the absolute truth, but that they knowfor a factthat it all happened exactly this way because they know. It isn't just Dear Jose doing it ( oh, sorry, I guess he's realized by now that he isn't so dear any more), it comes out of all of them. Must be a course they all have to take in law school, huh?

I really wish I could see it as funny and laugh at it. It makes me ill and angry what they are allowed to get away with, even tho I understand they have a job to do. There should be LIMITS, especially when their highjinks injure other, innocent people.

[Jeepers]

Good morning Jeepers. Hope hubby is doing better today.
Somehow emergencies seem even worse when they disrupt a holiday that has been lovingly anticipated and prepared for.

Your response is how most people feel, it's hard to be isolated from family and friends who support and love us. But sociopaths like Casey don't have the same feelings...... no feelings, actually, and she probably was just as happy in her 'dorm room' with her pressed turkey as she would have been in the middle of a family gathering in front of a table laden with all sorts of holiday goodies. No, actually she probably was even happier because she would not have had to act like a normal person, interact with the others, smile and be pleasant, when there was nothing in it for her but a meal. She got the meal without having to exert herself. She probably likes it better.


If you want to feel sorry that she's having that experience, it's probably more appropriate to feel sorry because she's an empty husk who can't feel the love and support you felt when your family went to the hospital to be there for you and your hubby. Now that's where the sadness lies.

Thank you Puff,
Yes when bad things Mark a Holiday you never forget that day. My family as crazy as it sounds do believe in Markings. Holidays, babies, etc.

Doctor just left. We don't drink and the other main cause is GallStones and then medicine's side effect. Test, Gall Bladder Fine.
So the doctor's are leaning toward a new Triglyceride medicine he was just put on a month ago.
So good news we should be going home in the a.m.:thumbsup:
You are so right Puff, KC is happy. Her twiddle brain does not have to work overtime to appear normal. She likes her Dorm Room just the way it is. I am glad mixed vegetables were on her menu! YUCK!

[Sun]

My bold

I have never been able to imagine Cindy actually making use of any kind of professional counseling or being able to follow a counselor's advice. She already knows what's best, why would she want to change?

ITA. For a professional counselor, having Cindy as a patient would be a very difficult experience. Cindy has "said" that she is getting disability, and could she be just going through the motions to keep that in place? I really have no clue. But have no doubt that Cindy needs long-term professional counseling.

[Duke]

Good Morning All! :seeya:


Good morning and thank you for everyone's updates. I am a reader (at least 95% during the week, and not so during the weekend.) to this thread and i just cannot respond to most right now.

I had probably the best T-day yet and I hope everyone did also. (I did go fishing and got a lots of catfish and it was just plain fun)
Regards, I
Duke

[Jeepers]

ITA. For a professional counselor, having Cindy as a patient would be a very difficult experience. Cindy has "said" that she is getting disability, and could she be just going through the motions to keep that in place? I really have no clue. But have no doubt that Cindy needs long-term professional counseling.

I would think having cindy as a patient the counselor would need a counselor. cindy does need counseling in the worst way. Whether she gets a check for it or not. cindy had a lot of issues even before Caylee born probably before Lee or KC were born. I hope that she gets to place where she does realize this and gets real help. I cannot imagine the brain storms she experiences whether self induced or just because of so much baggage in her life.
I am such a routine person when I think of cindy and the lies she tells the extreme embellishments she thinks are essential for the lie to become believeable it makes my brain hurt. I just would be a wreck and I would have to just throw my hands up and give all this back to the person it belongs to KC. I don't think I could take all the drama.

[Jeepers]

Good morning and thank you for everyone's updates. I am a reader (at least 95% during the week, and not so during the weekend.) to this thread and i just cannot respond to most right now.

I had probably the best T-day yet and I hope everyone did also. (I did go fishing and got a lots of catfish and it was just plain fun)
Regards, I
Duke

I love Catfish and hushpuppies. When is the big Fish Fry!
Speaking of Frying! I wonder if Baez is scared He is gonna lose this case since they have heard the public speak in reference to Mr.Kronk and A.Lyon's conference speech?

[denjet]

Hope everyone's Thanksgiving was wonderful !! I enjoyed my whole family this year complete with all 6 grandchildren which doesn't happen ever year !! Lots to be thankful for and precious moments I'll hold dear to my heart forever ... I'm also thankful to be able to spend a very lazy day today !! :biggrin:

The Anthonys have shown themselves to be superficial and deceitful people who don't deserve these type of moments ... I truly believe that ... what goes around comes around ...

[Duke]

I am going to sign off BUT.... how in the (any vulger word is OK in your mind) does A's not see KC within this entire time? I don't buy that that they have not said a word between them... UNLESS private messages are being sent.

LOL, old age is creeping upon us so I need to help my DH.

Please PM me w/ your thougts an copy the thread.

Duke

[PuffDragon]

I really wish I could see it as funny and laugh at it. It makes me ill and angry what they are allowed to get away with, even tho I understand they have a job to do. There should be LIMITS, especially when their highjinks injure other, innocent people.

You have to laugh at the idiocies of the world or you would have to be furious at everything all the time. Of course there should be limits, but it just ain't a-gonna happen in a system like ours.

[denjet]

I don't think she's mentally disciplined enough to put a book together. At least, not a book anybody would be interested in. More likely it would be a litany of how she feels about everything and everybody that has intersected her path since all this happened and how her life will never be the same and moan and groan and throw dirt at people......... who would want to read that????

She probably thinks the world is waiting with bated breath for her book, though. But I guess if she's actually not journaling it would all be our of her memory, wouldn't it? It would all be fiction one way or another.I wouldn't give her satisfaction by reading it.

Hi Puff!
I tend to agree ... if it were edited by the publisher ... there wouldn't be anything non-fiction left !!
No doubt Cindy picked up the "journal everyday" idea from her counselor ... these are supposed to be private, honest accounts about events and your feelings as they directly affect you ... "honest" is the key word here ... "private" means it's not a tell all manuscript for a possible future book ...

Who on earth would want to publish it much less read it as Cindy's account of this tragedy is beyond me ...

Suggested title: My Family Tragedy: Ramblings of a Psychopathic Loon

[PuffDragon]

Thank you Puff,
Yes when bad things Mark a Holiday you never forget that day. My family as crazy as it sounds do believe in Markings. Holidays, babies, etc.

Doctor just left. We don't drink and the other main cause is GallStones and then medicine's side effect. Test, Gall Bladder Fine.
So the doctor's are leaning toward a new Triglyceride medicine he was just put on a month ago.
So good news we should be going home in the a.m.:thumbsup:
You are so right Puff, KC is happy. Her twiddle brain does not have to work overtime to appear normal. She likes her Dorm Room just the way it is. I am glad mixed vegetables were on her menu! YUCK!

That's very good to hear. At least you can relax a little knowing that it's nothing horribly serious. Too bad it had to blow up your holiday, but at least he'll be in healthy for the December holidays (that's the PC way of saying Hanukkah or Christmas, whichever is your persuasion).

I like mixed vegetables............

[Aunt]

I would think having cindy as a patient the counselor would need a counselor. cindy does need counseling in the worst way. Whether she gets a check for it or not. cindy had a lot of issues even before Caylee born probably before Lee or KC were born. I hope that she gets to place where she does realize this and gets real help. I cannot imagine the brain storms she experiences whether self induced or just because of so much baggage in her life.
I am such a routine person when I think of cindy and the lies she tells the extreme embellishments she thinks are essential for the lie to become believeable it makes my brain hurt. I just would be a wreck and I would have to just throw my hands up and give all this back to the person it belongs to KC. I don't think I could take all the drama.

If the killing of Cindys grandaughter by her daughter doesn't give Cindy a reason to seek councelling for her serious disorder, nothing will.

She has created irreversible damage to her own family and future.

I agree with your post and any councellor of Cindys would need a TEAM and a straightjacket, court ordered.

jmo

[PuffDragon]

ITA. For a professional counselor, having Cindy as a patient would be a very difficult experience. Cindy has "said" that she is getting disability, and could she be just going through the motions to keep that in place? I really have no clue. But have no doubt that Cindy needs long-term professional counseling.

My bold

I have a strong suspicion that there some sociopath in Cindy too, or at the least she's socially challenged in a big way. I'm not sure any amount of professional counseling could do her any good.

[denjet]

In response to OrlandEast (whom people think is Cindy) on the Sentinel blog (Guess Cindy's not too happy about "accommodations" at the jail:

blog this morning I posted this to a couple of posts stating KC's innocence:

"The environment and conditions for visitation are simply unacceptable.
Casey, We Love You.
God Bless
OrlandoEAST"

I posted this to a couple of posts stating KC's innocence:

MVC, OrlandoEast, and WELLSAID ... Seriously ????
So we are to believe that Casey Anthony is innocent of ALL charges ???

FIRST DEGREE MURDER
AGGRAVATED CHILD ABUSE
AGGRAVATED MANSLAUGHTER OF A CHILD
4 COUNTS FALSE INFO TO LEO RE MISSING PERSON OR FELONY

I repeat .. innocent on ALL charges ?? Casey is HARDLY innocent !! Big frame job huh? You're delusional ... OrlandEast you probably don't think the last 4 counts are any big deal since you're guilty of the same (I do hope you're charged someday) ...

Casey is being treated as any other person indicted for murder and held without bail ... ah, but you want special priveleges? The jail won't accomodate your special requests ??? Get a clue, when you're in jail, you have rules that have to be obeyed, something you've never taught Casey. Boo, hoo .... Casey IS RESPONSIBLE for Caylee's death and no one in the right mind doesn't at least see this !!

And OrlandoEast .... God blesses those who confess their sins and repent ... it's just short of blasphemy for you to spout your lies and then say "God Bless" .... just shows how depraved an individual you are ... why don't you try another baptism ... the first one doesn't seem to have worked nor helped your public image .... there's no hope for you if you don't confess your sins ! Alll the bible reading in the world can't undo what you've done !

Heaven help your heathen souls!

[Jeepers]

Sorry your Thanksgiving went bust, Jeepers. :sad:

Here's wishing your hubs a fast recovery from his <ouch> pancreatitis!

Thank you, Yeah, very painful and scary. The hospital food reminded me of KC yesterday. I had to laugh a few times out loud.
At least our families came to see us despite their own busy schedules.
It was great to see everyone and it was heartwarming for me and hubby that they came.
I know that KC and her parents communicate through Baez but it is just not the same as seeing each other with your own eyes.
Hubby's sister and her husband are missionaries and we only get to see them every three years. We e-mail and all of that but it is just not the same. They are home now but will be going to Haiti at the end of the month. We miss them so much when they are gone. I can't believe that cindy and George are just not climbing the walls knowing that KC is just down the street and she does not want to see them. Heartbreaking for normal folks.

[Scampi]

The opening statement from the defense will be interesting to hear... though I fear that it will raise my blood pressure to unhealthy highs.

I am looking forward to it also. So far we have baden on The Today Show yapping that the accused babykiller made a "stupid mistake."

Oh yeah, really looking forward to baden expanding on that characterization of murdering Caylee.

Of course they will tell the jury to expect "compelling" reasons for everything the defendant did, but won't deliver....imo.

[Jeepers]

In response to OrlandEast (whom people think is Cindy) on the Sentinel blog (Guess Cindy's not too happy about "accommodations" at the jail:

blog this morning I posted this to a couple of posts stating KC's innocence:

"The environment and conditions for visitation are simply unacceptable.
Casey, We Love You.
God Bless
OrlandoEAST"

I posted this to a couple of posts stating KC's innocence:

MVC, OrlandoEast, and WELLSAID ... Seriously ????
So we are to believe that Casey Anthony is innocent of ALL charges ???

FIRST DEGREE MURDER
AGGRAVATED CHILD ABUSE
AGGRAVATED MANSLAUGHTER OF A CHILD
4 COUNTS FALSE INFO TO LEO RE MISSING PERSON OR FELONY

I repeat .. innocent on ALL charges ?? Casey is HARDLY innocent !! Big frame job huh? You're delusional ... OrlandEast you probably don't think the last 4 counts are any big deal since you're guilty of the same (I do hope you're charged someday) ...

Casey is being treated as any other person indicted for murder and held without bail ... ah, but you want special priveleges? The jail won't accomodate your special requests ??? Get a clue, when you're in jail, you have rules that have to be obeyed, something you've never taught Casey. Boo, hoo .... Casey IS RESPONSIBLE for Caylee's death and no one in the right mind doesn't at least see this !!

And OrlandoEast .... God blesses those who confess their sins and repent ... it's just short of blasphemy for you to spout your lies and then say "God Bless" .... just shows how depraved an individual you are ... why don't you try another baptism ... the first one doesn't seem to have worked nor helped your public image .... there's no hope for you if you don't confess your sins ! Alll the bible reading in the world can't undo what you've done !

Heaven help your heathen souls!

Thank you for posting that very good response.
I enjoy reading OE's post. They make me laugh.
That is so funny about how people talk about jail in such a bad way.
Yes it is a bad place. It is known to be a place where no one should want to go. I don't feel sorry for people in jail it was their choices that got them there.
OE just does not get it. People do not care about the jail conditions in fact people really wish they were stricter.
KC is where she needs to be. The charges are what they are and if they could find anymore charges they should charge her some more.
Depriving a baby of her childhood and life's dreams should be one of them. jmo

[Pruddennce]

I was amused (not sure this is the right word) that Baez stood in the courtroom and stated that he'd talked with his client that day, and that she had waived her appearance at the court hearing that day. Especially when I later viewed Casey's inmate visitor's log, and saw that Baez hadn't visited her that day, or even the previous two days. ....that is the court hearing where Judge Strickland ordered Casey to be brought to the hearing.

Can an attorney call the jail and ask to speak with their client? Can they do this at all hours, or can they do this during a specified time, or is this not allowed at all?

seems like they can come at any time...notice Baez's late nite visits:

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0807/17122148.pdf

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[SandyO]

You have to laugh at the idiocies of the world or you would have to be furious at everything all the time. Of course there should be limits, but it just ain't a-gonna happen in a system like ours.

I'll try, Puff. It sure would be easier on the old heartburn! You're right, it isn't going to happen in our system where I swear the defendant gets ALL the breaks imaginable.

[BlueTurtle]

I can't picture her doing a book tour. The media is just "using" Cindy and when Casey is convicted, Cindy's media appearances will quickly come to an end. JMO

Did Cindy tell a lie in her State Depo, when she said she was a natural blond? I've seen her eyebrows, and IMO they appear a way too dark for a natural blond. (guess what I'm doing today?)

Sometimes people think they are a natural blond if they were blond as a child. Most people's hair darkens when they become an adult. My siblings were tow heads when we were young. Does that make them a natural blond now when their hair is a dark brunette? Just another rationalization.

[Sun]

seems like they can come at any time...notice Baez's late nite visits:

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0807/17122148.pdf

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

I know that they are allowed to "visit" at any time, but can they "phone" at any time?

[SandyO]

seems like they can come at any time...notice Baez's late nite visits:

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0807/17122148.pdf

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Good Lord. I wonder if THAT'S still going on, and I wonder how things are going in the Baez household.

[Pruddennce]

I know that they are allowed to "visit" at any time, but can they "phone" at any time?

thats a good question Sun....the handbook only mentions this:

Telephone times and limits depend on your housing and classification.

http://www.orangecountyfl.net/NR/rdonlyres/edjj3dhkrcnmfje73uk3lbalmnpz3vkfv7jxy5o3jzjexhc5qe tms72rlaz5s6xwdvzogodifymnm3fajgwutu47luc/InmateHandbookEnglish0609.pdf

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[PuffDragon]

Hi Puff!

*respectfully snipped to address*:

Suggested title: My Family Tragedy: Ramblings of a Psychopathic Loon

Hi Den!

Heeheeheehee :lol: Wonderful! Perfect!!! Love it!!!

[Dunlurken]

seems like they can come at any time...notice Baez's late nite visits:

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0807/17122148.pdf

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Maybe he was trying to avoid the media? :confused: Heck Casey wasn't going anywhere. JMO.

[Sun]

Actually, Sun, I do think it's because she's being counseled (you gotta wait for us west coasters to get up and get here to answer questions posted at, like, 3am our time :w00t:).

The reason I feel that way is because if she was "supposed to" journal for any other reason than to help her emotionally, imo, she would not mention it. If she was keeping a journal for a future book to cash in on her tragedy, she wouldn't mention it. Imo, 99% of what Cindy says is for effect, and she especially likes to say things she thinks will garner sympathy. "I'm supposed to be journaling" is one of those sympathy ploy statements, imo. She's hoping there'll be a followup question so she can talk about how she's just such a mess from all this, she's been counseled to journal to express her feelings. To me, her journaling comments are of exactly the same ilk as her "I don't eat" and "I haven't slept" comments. They are self-serving statements she makes to grab attention and try to stir up either sympathy or guilt in her audience.

Glad that you posted, and yes I do sometimes forget to allow time enough for west coasties to view postings done early in the day. Cindy does seem to stray around in her responses to questions, and your reasoning makes great sense. Thanks! I have quite a difficult time trying to figure out why Cindy does or says the things that she says or does.

[kakax]

Good morning Everyone :seeya:

Sitting in my hubby's hospital room. He is asleep. I love WiFI.
Thinking...
I hope everyone's Thanksgiving was wonderful. Mine and Hubby's went Bust!
Hubby admitted to hospital Wednesday afternoon. Pancretitis we thought it was gastritis. Scary when you self diagnose yourself.
Very painful.

I was thinking about the comparison of my Thanksgiving and Casey's
even though I do have a conscience that she appears not to have.
Very lonely yesterday at lunch time,knowing that the family was all together and eating all the favorites the kids asked grandma to make.
It was sad that KC made a choice to put herself where she is at today and where Caylee is at is even sadder. Caylee is going on 5 and what a wonderful age that is.The holidays and children. What fun!

It was great when everyone came to the hospital yesterday afternoon to visit with us and know that they are supporting us and love us.
I can't believe KC chooses to live in solitude. It is a hopless place to be.
Without my family and my husband's family I would have been very scared Wednesday night without their support.
I don't know how KC stood up to the killing Caylee and then to face LE and never crack.
Just amazing how you can get to such a lonely place (in your head).
during the holidays.

Aww Jeepers...since I am almost your adopted daughter...wish I could have been in that hospital room with you! So glad everything is ok. Amazing how life changes in a split second. You were praying so hard the day before Thanksgiving....no wonder your husband is going to be just fine!!!!

Give him all of our best here from your adopted family!!:wub:

[Dunlurken]

Why are people so angry with Cindy? She didn't murder Caylee. :confused: And yes, I have followed her antics, but she's not the evil one sitting in jail. Is it because there is nothing else to talk about?

[kakax]

Cindy said something (I think in her State Depo) that has me wondering. She said something like, "I'm supposed to be journaling every day, but just can't do it." Or something like that.

So WHY is Cindy SUPPOSED to be journaling? Perhaps she's in counseling and this is what her counselor wants her to do? Perhaps she's doing it because she has a future book deal? What do you all think the reason could be? (or I suppose Cindy could just have lied about it too)

I am such a skeptic, I just assumed a book deal was in the works.

[SandyO]

Why are people so angry with Cindy? She didn't murder Caylee. :confused: And yes, I have followed her antics, but she's not the evil one sitting in jail. Is it because there is nothing else to talk about?

For me it's because she continues to defend Casey, although I'm sure she knows better. I've always known Cindy isn't a person I'd ever like or who would ever be my friend, but it's not that I'm angry with her. I just don't like her.

[*MoonRider*]

Thank you for posting that very good response.
I enjoy reading OE's post. They make me laugh.
That is so funny about how people talk about jail in such a bad way.
Yes it is a bad place. It is known to be a place where no one should want to go. I don't feel sorry for people in jail it was their choices that got them there.
OE just does not get it. People do not care about the jail conditions in fact people really wish they were stricter.
KC is where she needs to be. The charges are what they are and if they could find anymore charges they should charge her some more.
Depriving a baby of her childhood and life's dreams should be one of them. jmo

Casey should be thanking her lucky stars for being in the Orange County Jail. When she gets to the big house there will be no air conditioning. :tonguewag: It must be miserable in the summer.

[Scampi]

Why are people so angry with Cindy? She didn't murder Caylee. :confused: And yes, I have followed her antics, but she's not the evil one sitting in jail. Is it because there is nothing else to talk about?

For the exact same reason you, iirc, and all of us following the antics of jackie peterson were livid with her and how she protected the very guilty scott.

[kakax]

My bold

I have never been able to imagine Cindy actually making use of any kind of professional counseling or being able to follow a counselor's advice. She already knows what's best, why would she want to change?

Isn't that the truth!!! Good point!

[*MoonRider*]

Why are people so angry with Cindy? She didn't murder Caylee. :confused: And yes, I have followed her antics, but she's not the evil one sitting in jail. Is it because there is nothing else to talk about?

Perhaps it's because she created the killer? She never held Casey responsible for any of her actions and blamed others. She claims Casey is innocent and Caylee is still alive :shrug: I rest my case....I think I'm going to get a tattoo on my stomach in honor of my deceased father. NOT

[PuffDragon]

Actually, Sun, I do think it's because she's being counseled (you gotta wait for us west coasters to get up and get here to answer questions posted at, like, 3am our time :w00t:).

The reason I feel that way is because if she was "supposed to" journal for any other reason than to help her emotionally, imo, she would not mention it. If she was keeping a journal for a future book to cash in on her tragedy, she wouldn't mention it. Imo, 99% of what Cindy says is for effect, and she especially likes to say things she thinks will garner sympathy. "I'm supposed to be journaling" is one of those sympathy ploy statements, imo. She's hoping there'll be a followup question so she can talk about how she's just such a mess from all this, she's been counseled to journal to express her feelings. To me, her journaling comments are of exactly the same ilk as her "I don't eat" and "I haven't slept" comments. They are self-serving statements she makes to grab attention and try to stir up either sympathy or guilt in her audience.

My bold

Wow, Say, I hadn't thought of it that way, I think maybe that makes sense. I really couldn't figure why she would make a point of that, it just didn't fit, if you're not doing it then why bring it up? But putting it together with her other whines, yes, I can see it. Very good logic trail there!

[hello its me]

Why are people so angry with Cindy? She didn't murder Caylee. :confused: And yes, I have followed her antics, but she's not the evil one sitting in jail. Is it because there is nothing else to talk about?

Easy. Because she chose Casey over Caylee, in life and now in death. She's obstructed justice and sold Caylee's memory down the river for $$. Disgusting.

[Dunlurken]

For me it's because she continues to defend Casey, although I'm sure she knows better. I've always known Cindy isn't a person I'd ever like or who would ever be my friend, but it's not that I'm angry with her. I just don't like her.
All I can say is don't judge a person until you walk in their shoes. Let's hope to god your child doesn't murder your grand child. THEN you could judge Cindy if you have a base to enumerate your opinion.

Not defending Cindy at all. But SHE did not murder Caylee. JMO.

[AlohaRainbow]

My bold

I have never been able to imagine Cindy actually making use of any kind of professional counseling or being able to follow a counselor's advice. She already knows what's best, why would she want to change?

i could see cindy attending counseling IF she is claiming some type of stress-related disability (to lend more 'credibility' to such a claim). whether she would actually follow a counselor's advice is a different story!

[kakax]

I think of the term journaling as a means to express one's deepest (usually most private and honest) thoughts, so I don't connect the word with notekeeping for a book. Probably an oversight on my part when it comes to Cindy. :rolleyes:

My mind went to book deal because I remember at some point the subject of the book they wanted to write was how to get through such a media circus in a high profile case. (or am I nuts and the subject of the book was something else entirely)

[PuffDragon]

Why are people so angry with Cindy? She didn't murder Caylee. :confused: And yes, I have followed her antics, but she's not the evil one sitting in jail. Is it because there is nothing else to talk about?

I'm not angry with Cindy, Dunnie. I just think she's a fool.

I believe that it's easy to get angry with her for the way she allowed Casey, for whatever reason, to progress to the point of eliminating her daughter. Since unlike the perpetrator she's still walking around and talking (and blogging and posting) she's a natural target for anybody who needs to express the frustration that we all feel at the slow grinding wheels of justice.

But that's just MO.

[SandyO]

All I can say is don't judge a person until you walk in their shoes. Let's hope to god your child doesn't murder your grand child. THEN you could judge Cindy if you have a base to enumerate your opinion.

Not defending Cindy at all. But SHE did not murder Caylee. JMO.

I have never opined that I believe Cindy murdered Caylee. I believe Cindy enabled. The worst now is that Cindy would allow ANYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD to be blamed for Caylee's death rather that Casey. I don't even really judge Cindy most of the time, and there are moments when I feel awfully sorry for her, but she's got to be the most crass, crude person I've seen displayed in the media in a very long time. Of course I don't like her.

[AlohaRainbow]

ITA. For a professional counselor, having Cindy as a patient would be a very difficult experience. Cindy has "said" that she is getting disability, and could she be just going through the motions to keep that in place? I really have no clue. But have no doubt that Cindy needs long-term professional counseling.

i just posted something similar re cindy going through the motions for a disability claim :biggrin:

[Sun]

Why are people so angry with Cindy? She didn't murder Caylee. :confused: And yes, I have followed her antics, but she's not the evil one sitting in jail. Is it because there is nothing else to talk about?

I do not like the fact that Cindy is not seeking Justice for Caylee. Cindy is seeking to blame the death of Caylee on anyone BUT Casey. And IMO, Cindy continues to spin lies and tries to use the media to mislead the public. ...I have to stop now, I could go on and on.

[SandyO]

I shouldn't have responded to your question, Dunnie, because you asked why everyone is so angry at Cindy, and I responded as to why I don't like her. I don't know about anger ---- I haven't felt that toward Cindy ---- but there's a long way to go here!

[Jeepers]

You don't drink? :scared:

J/K. Glad to hear maybe it's just a reaction to a medication, Jeeps.

(If you get wine or other booze at Christmas, I'll be happy to PM you my address. :wink:)

I will remember you at Christmas!:scared:
The Doctor kept looking at me and our son when asking Him about his drinking habits like we were lying about him being a closet drinker it was so funny. He would even re word his questions in reference to drinking and then look at me and Randy like fess up. I wanted to make a false confession just so he would be satisfied that he broke me down under the hot bright lights of the ER.
How KC stood up to LE knowing she was lying is just beyond ME!

[Aunt]

Why are people so angry with Cindy? She didn't murder Caylee. :confused: And yes, I have followed her antics, but she's not the evil one sitting in jail. Is it because there is nothing else to talk about?

Did you get enough answers to your question intended to antagonize posters?

Are you new here? or do you sincerly NOT understand the majority of public opinion with regards to Cindys role in this entire case?

Have YOU seen Cindy Anthony thanks LE, searchers, Roy Kronk, or sit behind the prosecution for CAYLEE?

Where would YOU sit in the courtroom if YOUR grandchild was murdered? Would you LIE, manipulate the media and OBSTRUCT justice or TAMPER with evidence?

I think you just like the attention. :ohmy:

[Scampi]

All I can say is don't judge a person until you walk in their shoes. Let's hope to god your child doesn't murder your grand child. THEN you could judge Cindy if you have a base to enumerate your opinion.

Not defending Cindy at all. But SHE did not murder Caylee. JMO.

I can confidently say that I would never walk in cynthia's shoes, because I would not cover up for any child of mine that murdered anyone.

My concern would be the soul of my child, in addition to their life. I would urge them to tell the truth and to get them all the help I could afford.

I would not go into coverup mode and point the finger of guilt at innocent people.

[Jeepers]

Aww Jeepers...since I am almost your adopted daughter...wish I could have been in that hospital room with you! So glad everything is ok. Amazing how life changes in a split second. You were praying so hard the day before Thanksgiving....no wonder your husband is going to be just fine!!!!

Give him all of our best here from your adopted family!!:wub:

Kakax my sweet adopted daughter thank you for your loving words. Life changes too quick. I try to say prayers throughout the day for everyone and everything. Sometimes it is hard to pray, there are other times it feels like my prayers go no higher than the ceiling. I have to pray. These cases are so horrific and effect so many lives and I say things that I should not (utter excitement) so I pray.
Family and friends are so important it is just so sad that KC made the decision destroy hers. No family is perfect and even though we have a window in the Athony home and we can see all of their dysfunction like an open wound. They never thought that one of their own could do such a horrific deed. Murder their grandbaby. I bet they have said more prayers than I could ever muster.

[Neffy]

Did you get enough answers to your question intended to antagonize posters?

Are you new here? or do you sincerly NOT understand the majority of public opinion with regards to Cindys role in this entire case?

Have YOU seen Cindy Anthony thanks LE, searchers, Roy Kronk, or sit behind the prosecution for CAYLEE?

Where would YOU sit in the courtroom if YOUR grandchild was murdered? Would you LIE, manipulate the media and OBSTRUCT justice or TAMPER with evidence?

I think you just like the attention. :ohmy:


LOL!

Hiya Dunnie! :seeya:

Dunnie is NOT a newbie. :laugh: She is misinterpreting anger for disgust. Say la vie

[hello its me]

LOL!

Hiya Dunnie! :seeya:

Dunnie is NOT a newbie. :laugh: She is misinterpreting anger for disgust. Say la vie

Seems like every day's a new day for Dunnie, though. :wink:

[Neffy]

Seems like every day's a new day for Dunnie, though. :wink:

LOL ^5 on that. Just messing with ya Dunnie!

[AnnieKins]

I can't picture her doing a book tour. The media is just "using" Cindy and when Casey is convicted, Cindy's media appearances will quickly come to an end. JMO

Did Cindy tell a lie in her State Depo, when she said she was a natural blond? I've seen her eyebrows, and IMO they appear a way too dark for a natural blond. (guess what I'm doing today?)

ITA and I'll be so glad when that happens.

[PuffDragon]

... and on and on and on. Cindy's desire to enable Casey yet again and commit the further atrocity of pinning her daughter's crime on someone else, is how that family got to this place, imo. Caylee's murder wasn't some random act occurring out of nowhere. It was the result of 22 years of one psychopath cultivating another.

My bold

And that, my friend, is the whole issue in a nutshell!!! After that nothing more needs to be said!

We will, of course, find more to say.

[Sun]

Here are the latest entries on the Clerk of Courts records for the murder case.


11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare Florida Statute Section 921.141 Unconstitutional Under Ring vs. Arizona
11/25/2009 Memorandum of Law
in Support of Defendant's Motion to Declare Florida Statute 921.141 Unconstitutional Under Ring vs. Arizona
11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare Fla. Stat. 921.141(5)(h) and/or the Standard (5)(h) Jury Instruction Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied
11/25/2009 Memorandum
Supporting Motion to Declare Fla. Stat. 921.141(5)(h) and/or the Standard (5)(h) Jury instruction Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied
11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare Section 921.141(5)(d) Florida Statute and/or the Section 921.141(5)(d) Standard Instruction Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied and to Preclude their Application at Bar
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Defendant's Motion to Declare Section 921.141(5)(d) Florida Statute and/or the Section 921.141(5)(d) Standard Instruction Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied and to Preclude their Application at Bar
11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare Florida Statutes 921.141(5)(I) Unconstitutional and to Preclude its Use in the Present Case
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Motion to Declare Florida Statutes 921.141(5)(I) Unconstitutional and to Preclude its Use in the Present Case
11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare Florida Statute 921.141(5)(L) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied, and to Preclude its Use in the Case at Bar
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Defendant's Motion to Declare Florida Statute 921.141(5)(L) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied, and to Preclude its Use in the Case at Bar
11/25/2009 Motion
(Defendant's) for a Statement of Particulars Providing Notice of Aggravating Circumstances
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Defendant's Motion for a Statement of Particulars Providing Notice of Aggravating Circumstances
11/25/2009 OtherTable of Exhibits in Support of Defendant's Motion for a Statement of Particulars Providing Notice of Aggravating Factors
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Defendant's Objection to the Standard Jury Instruction on Reasonable Doubt
11/25/2009 Objection
Written Objection to the Standard Jury Instruction on Reasonable Doubt
11/25/2009 Other
Table of Exhibits for Defendant's Written Objection to the Standard Jury Instruction on Reasonable Doubt
11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare 921.141(5)(M) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied (Victim Vulnerable Due to Age, Disability, or Familial or Custodial Authority)
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Motion to Declare 921.141(5)(M) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied (Victim Vulnerable Due to Age, Disability, or Familial or Custodial Authority)
11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare 921.141 Florida Statutes Unconstitutional Because it Improperly Shifts Burdens of Proof to the Defendant, Thereby Creating a Presumption of Death
11/25/2009 Motion
to Prohibit any Reference to the Jury's Role at the Penalty Phase Being 'Advisory' or to the Jury's Penalty Verdict as Being a 'Recommendation'
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Defendant's Motion to Prohibit any Reference to the Jury's Role at the Penalty Phase as Being 'Advisory' or to the Jury's Penalty Verdict as Being a 'Recommendation'
11/25/2009 Exhibit(s)
in Support of Motion to Prohibit any Reference to the Jury's Role at the Penalty Phase Being 'Advisory' or to the Jury's Penalty Verdict as Being a 'Recommendation'
11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare Florida Statute 921.141 Unconstitutional Due to its Failure to Narrow the Scope of the Death Penalty
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Motion to Declare Florida Statute 921.141 Unconstitutional Due to its Failure to Narrow the Scope of the Death Penalty
11/25/2009 Motion
for Jury Instructions Correctly Defining "Premeditation"
11/25/2009 Memorandum
Accompanying Motion for Jury Instructions Correctly Defining "Premeditation"

[Sun]

Good Golly! I need to shorten that list, or at least edit it a bit to make it easier to read.

[Pruddennce]

All I can say is don't judge a person until you walk in their shoes. Let's hope to god your child doesn't murder your grand child. THEN you could judge Cindy if you have a base to enumerate your opinion.

Not defending Cindy at all. But SHE did not murder Caylee. JMO.

however, she withheld possible evidence from LE. the blanket. for 6 months. that is a known fact, straight from her own mouth when she saw it on the search warrant. it was found with the body, and you can be sure it was the same one 'she knew was missing' in June.

every single thing of Caylee's was intact in her room. during all of Casey's visits back to the home she took nothing of Caylee's. shoes, clothes toys, all there. EXCEPT THAT BLANKET. Cindy, in her excited utterance during the search warrant, stated she KNEW IT WAS MISSING.

LE would have been very interested in knowing it was missing PRIOR to her remains being found. after all, no information was provided to LE regarding 'what Cindy knew' as far as what Casey took of Caylee's from the home. SHE CLAIMED NOTHING. the claim is she left with the clothes on her back.

the hamper....speculation, but keeping with recognizing Cindy's knack for lying, I lean toward her knowing that was missing as well. and perhaps a few other things we have yet to know about.

not a murderer, however, she made several efforts to compromise the investigation of 'her missing grandchild'. withholding information that results in evidence (found with the remains) is/was aiding the only suspect LE had at the time which was:

a mother who never reported her child missing and then took LE on a wild goose chase within a few hours of the investigation.....

Cindy A decided to take LE on the same ride that Casey did.....*this is what Casey told me*....not, *this is what I know to be a lie because (fill in whatever she withheld from LE)* <----Cindy lied to investigators AND was on board with Casey lying to family services, another investigative body <----aiding and abetting......

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Jeepers]

Here are the latest entries on the Clerk of Courts records for the murder case.


11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare Florida Statute Section 921.141 Unconstitutional Under Ring vs. Arizona
11/25/2009 Memorandum of Law
in Support of Defendant's Motion to Declare Florida Statute 921.141 Unconstitutional Under Ring vs. Arizona
11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare Fla. Stat. 921.141(5)(h) and/or the Standard (5)(h) Jury Instruction Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied
11/25/2009 Memorandum
Supporting Motion to Declare Fla. Stat. 921.141(5)(h) and/or the Standard (5)(h) Jury instruction Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied
11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare Section 921.141(5)(d) Florida Statute and/or the Section 921.141(5)(d) Standard Instruction Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied and to Preclude their Application at Bar
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Defendant's Motion to Declare Section 921.141(5)(d) Florida Statute and/or the Section 921.141(5)(d) Standard Instruction Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied and to Preclude their Application at Bar
11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare Florida Statutes 921.141(5)(I) Unconstitutional and to Preclude its Use in the Present Case
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Motion to Declare Florida Statutes 921.141(5)(I) Unconstitutional and to Preclude its Use in the Present Case
11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare Florida Statute 921.141(5)(L) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied, and to Preclude its Use in the Case at Bar
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Defendant's Motion to Declare Florida Statute 921.141(5)(L) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied, and to Preclude its Use in the Case at Bar
11/25/2009 Motion
(Defendant's) for a Statement of Particulars Providing Notice of Aggravating Circumstances
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Defendant's Motion for a Statement of Particulars Providing Notice of Aggravating Circumstances
11/25/2009 OtherTable of Exhibits in Support of Defendant's Motion for a Statement of Particulars Providing Notice of Aggravating Factors
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Defendant's Objection to the Standard Jury Instruction on Reasonable Doubt
11/25/2009 Objection
Written Objection to the Standard Jury Instruction on Reasonable Doubt
11/25/2009 Other
Table of Exhibits for Defendant's Written Objection to the Standard Jury Instruction on Reasonable Doubt
11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare 921.141(5)(M) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied (Victim Vulnerable Due to Age, Disability, or Familial or Custodial Authority)
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Motion to Declare 921.141(5)(M) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied (Victim Vulnerable Due to Age, Disability, or Familial or Custodial Authority)
11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare 921.141 Florida Statutes Unconstitutional Because it Improperly Shifts Burdens of Proof to the Defendant, Thereby Creating a Presumption of Death
11/25/2009 Motion
to Prohibit any Reference to the Jury's Role at the Penalty Phase Being 'Advisory' or to the Jury's Penalty Verdict as Being a 'Recommendation'
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Defendant's Motion to Prohibit any Reference to the Jury's Role at the Penalty Phase as Being 'Advisory' or to the Jury's Penalty Verdict as Being a 'Recommendation'
11/25/2009 Exhibit(s)
in Support of Motion to Prohibit any Reference to the Jury's Role at the Penalty Phase Being 'Advisory' or to the Jury's Penalty Verdict as Being a 'Recommendation'
11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare Florida Statute 921.141 Unconstitutional Due to its Failure to Narrow the Scope of the Death Penalty
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Motion to Declare Florida Statute 921.141 Unconstitutional Due to its Failure to Narrow the Scope of the Death Penalty
11/25/2009 Motion
for Jury Instructions Correctly Defining "Premeditation"
11/25/2009 Memorandum
Accompanying Motion for Jury Instructions Correctly Defining "Premeditation"

So I am presuming that Casey is going to be tied up for awhile and unavailable for the upcoming hot body contest.

[Sun]

Here are the latest entries on the Clerk of Courts records for the murder case.


11/25/2009 Motion to Declare Florida Statute Section 921.141 Unconstitutional Under Ring vs. Arizona
11/25/2009 Memorandum of Law in Support of Defendant's Motion to Declare Florida Statute 921.141 Unconstitutional Under Ring vs. Arizona

11/25/2009 Motion to Declare Fla. Stat. 921.141(5)(h) and/or the Standard (5)(h) Jury Instruction Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied
11/25/2009 Memorandum Supporting Motion to Declare Fla. Stat. 921.141(5)(h) and/or the Standard (5)(h) Jury instruction Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied

11/25/2009 Motion to Declare Section 921.141(5)(d) Florida Statute and/or the Section 921.141(5)(d) Standard Instruction Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied and to Preclude their Application at Bar
11/25/2009 Memorandum of Law in Support of Defendant's Motion to Declare Section 921.141(5)(d) Florida Statute and/or the Section 921.141(5)(d) Standard Instruction Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied and to Preclude their Application at Bar

11/25/2009 Motion to Declare Florida Statutes 921.141(5)(I) Unconstitutional and to Preclude its Use in the Present Case
11/25/2009 Memorandum of Law in Support of Motion to Declare Florida Statutes 921.141(5)(I) Unconstitutional and to Preclude its Use in the Present Case

11/25/2009 Motion to Declare Florida Statute 921.141(5)(L) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied, and to Preclude its Use in the Case at Bar
11/25/2009 Memorandum of Law in Support of Defendant's Motion to Declare Florida Statute 921.141(5)(L) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied, and to Preclude its Use in the Case at Bar

11/25/2009 Motion (Defendant's) for a Statement of Particulars Providing Notice of Aggravating Circumstances
11/25/2009 Memorandum of Law in Support of Defendant's Motion for a Statement of Particulars Providing Notice of Aggravating Circumstances
11/25/2009 Other Table of Exhibits in Support of Defendant's Motion for a Statement of Particulars Providing Notice of Aggravating Factors

11/25/2009 Objection Written Objection to the Standard Jury Instruction on Reasonable Doubt
11/25/2009 Memorandum of Law in Support of Defendant's Objection to the Standard Jury Instruction on Reasonable Doubt
11/25/2009 Other Table of Exhibits for Defendant's Written Objection to the Standard Jury Instruction on Reasonable Doubt

11/25/2009 Motion to Declare 921.141(5)(M) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied (Victim Vulnerable Due to Age, Disability, or Familial or Custodial Authority)
11/25/2009 Memorandum of Law in Support of Motion to Declare 921.141(5)(M) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied (Victim Vulnerable Due to Age, Disability, or Familial or Custodial Authority)

11/25/2009 Motion to Declare 921.141 Florida Statutes Unconstitutional Because it Improperly Shifts Burdens of Proof to the Defendant, Thereby Creating a Presumption of Death

11/25/2009 Motion to Prohibit any Reference to the Jury's Role at the Penalty Phase Being 'Advisory' or to the Jury's Penalty Verdict as Being a 'Recommendation'
11/25/2009 Memorandum of Law in Support of Defendant's Motion to Prohibit any Reference to the Jury's Role at the Penalty Phase as Being 'Advisory' or to the Jury's Penalty Verdict as Being a 'Recommendation'
11/25/2009 Exhibit(s) in Support of Motion to Prohibit any Reference to the Jury's Role at the Penalty Phase Being 'Advisory' or to the Jury's Penalty Verdict as Being a 'Recommendation'

11/25/2009 Motion to Declare Florida Statute 921.141 Unconstitutional Due to its Failure to Narrow the Scope of the Death Penalty
11/25/2009 Memorandum of Law in Support of Motion to Declare Florida Statute 921.141 Unconstitutional Due to its Failure to Narrow the Scope of the Death Penalty

11/25/2009 Motion for Jury Instructions Correctly Defining "Premeditation"
11/25/2009 Memorandum Accompanying Motion for Jury Instructions Correctly Defining "Premeditation"

[Sun]

So I am presuming that Casey is going to be tied up for awhile and unavailable for the upcoming hot body contest.

Lyon doesn't like her chances with Florida laws, so she's challenging their consitutionally. Or am should I read these titles a bit more closely?

[Spots]

Good Golly! I need to shorten that list, or at least edit it a bit to make it easier to read.

I see Andrea had a dumpster of motions delivered to the courthouse.

[hello its me]

Good Golly! I need to shorten that list, or at least edit it a bit to make it easier to read.

and maybe tell us what that means...:tongueside: I can't tell who's filing what about who.

[Holden]

Why are people so angry with Cindy? She didn't murder Caylee. :confused: And yes, I have followed her antics, but she's not the evil one sitting in jail. Is it because there is nothing else to talk about?

Here's an excellent reason - cindy has thrown everyone casey ever spoke to under the bus. :cursing: She has blamed everyone for things her murdering daughter did. She doesn't seem to care that Jesse's life, for example, will never be the same because she went out of her way to slander him. That Amy, who cindy decided at one point, was actually the mysterious (and fictious) Zani, might never get over this. No one likes to see innocent people destroyed just so a hungry ego can be well fed. :thumbdown: And that's what cindy is actually doing - she is trampling on anyone and everyone to guard her own pathetic reputation. It's not casey she's protecting, it's herself. There is nothing inside cindy to like.

[AnnieKins]

Why are people so angry with Cindy? She didn't murder Caylee. :confused: And yes, I have followed her antics, but she's not the evil one sitting in jail. Is it because there is nothing else to talk about?

I would not say that I'm "angry" with Cindy, but she is the master manipulator behind this tragedy.

She never held Casey accountable for any of her actions and the result was a young woman who thought she could murder her child and walk away from it knowing that mom would make it all better... the way she did with everything else she ever did in her life.

[Spots]

and maybe tell us what that means...:tongueside: I can't tell who's filing what about who.

Cliff Notes Version: Andrea doesn't like *anything* about FL law. Casey should not face the DP. And LWOP is really mean of FL. Aw, just fling open the doors and let her out.

[hello its me]

Cliff Notes Version: Andrea doesn't like *anything* about FL law. Casey should not face the DP. And LWOP is really mean of FL. Aw, just fling open the doors and let her out.

THAT I understood. Thanks Spots. DE-NIED.

[AnnieKins]

All I can say is don't judge a person until you walk in their shoes. Let's hope to god your child doesn't murder your grand child. THEN you could judge Cindy if you have a base to enumerate your opinion.

Not defending Cindy at all. But SHE did not murder Caylee. JMO.

Actually... I'm pretty sure we've had almost this identical conversation with you before. Bored today? :rolleyes:

[Sun]

Florida Statutes 921.141

I'm going to have to look up this law. Lyon seems to not like it at all. It appears to be good enough for other criminals tried in Florida, but she appears to think that Casey is "special" or something.

[Sun]

and maybe tell us what that means...:tongueside: I can't tell who's filing what about who.

It has to be Lyon filing all those motions, and the cliff-notes are a good, simple explanation.

[AnnieKins]

So I am presuming that Casey is going to be tied up for awhile and unavailable for the upcoming hot body contest.

I would say so. Not to mention that the "hot body" is getting less and less "hot" as the days go by. :smile:

[kakax]

however, she withheld possible evidence from LE. the blanket. for 6 months. that is a known fact, straight from her own mouth when she saw it on the search warrant. it was found with the body, and you can be sure it was the same one 'she knew was missing' in June.

every single thing of Caylee's was intact in her room. during all of Casey's visits back to the home she took nothing of Caylee's. shoes, clothes toys, all there. EXCEPT THAT BLANKET. Cindy, in her excited utterance during the search warrant, stated she KNEW IT WAS MISSING.

LE would have been very interested in knowing it was missing PRIOR to her remains being found. after all, no information was provided to LE regarding 'what Cindy knew' as far as what Casey took of Caylee's from the home. SHE CLAIMED NOTHING. the claim is she left with the clothes on her back.

the hamper....speculation, but keeping with recognizing Cindy's knack for lying, I lean toward her knowing that was missing as well. and perhaps a few other things we have yet to know about.

not a murderer, however, she made several efforts to compromise the investigation of 'her missing grandchild'. withholding information that results in evidence (found with the remains) is/was aiding the only suspect LE had at the time which was:

a mother who never reported her child missing and then took LE on a wild goose chase within a few hours of the investigation.....

Cindy A decided to take LE on the same ride that Casey did.....*this is what Casey told me*....not, *this is what I know to be a lie because (fill in whatever she withheld from LE)* <----Cindy lied to investigators AND was on board with Casey lying to family services, another investigative body <----aiding and abetting......

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

I almost posted back to Dunnie but I thought....where is Pru? She can deal with this so much better rofl

Great post!

[Pruddennce]

Here are the latest entries on the Clerk of Courts records for the murder case.


[
11/25/2009 Motion for Jury Instructions Correctly Defining "Premeditation"
11/25/2009 Memorandum Accompanying Motion for Jury Instructions Correctly Defining "Premeditation"

seems like this is dealing with voir dire? which hasnt even happened yet?

the Supreme court ruled that the state can paraphrase the standard jury instruction during voir dire regarding premed and presumption of innocence.

http://www.juryblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/Belcher%20v.%20State.pdf

it becomes an issue for the court to be sure to state the exact law for jurors.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[BettyC]

Actually... I'm pretty sure we've had almost this identical conversation with you before. Bored today? :rolleyes:

and you will again, and again, and again, and again.

[Spots]

Florida Statutes 921.141

I'm going to have to look up this law. Lyon seems to not like it at all. It appears to be good enough for other criminals tried in Florida, but she appears to think that Casey is "special" or something.

Death Penalty, Jury Instructions, Aggravating Circumstances, etc.

[BettyC]

It has to be Lyon filing all those motions, and the cliff-notes are a good, simple explanation.

I agree. This is what she promised (or was it threatened) to do. Keep filing motions. Looks like she'll be doing this right up until trial.

[Sun]

seems like this is dealing with voir dire? which hasnt even happened yet?

the Supreme court ruled that the state can paraphrase the standard jury instruction during voir dire regarding premed and presumption of innocence.

http://www.juryblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/Belcher%20v.%20State.pdf

it becomes an issue for the court to be sure to state the exact law for jurors.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

thanks for that link, Pru! I'm trying to read the info there, but am thinking that I should just ask if someone could explain it to me in a form that I might be able to more easily understand.

[gaelicpeas]

Here are the latest entries on the Clerk of Courts records for the murder case.


11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare Florida Statute Section 921.141 Unconstitutional Under Ring vs. Arizona
11/25/2009 Memorandum of Law
in Support of Defendant's Motion to Declare Florida Statute 921.141 Unconstitutional Under Ring vs. Arizona
11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare Fla. Stat. 921.141(5)(h) and/or the Standard (5)(h) Jury Instruction Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied
11/25/2009 Memorandum
Supporting Motion to Declare Fla. Stat. 921.141(5)(h) and/or the Standard (5)(h) Jury instruction Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied
11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare Section 921.141(5)(d) Florida Statute and/or the Section 921.141(5)(d) Standard Instruction Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied and to Preclude their Application at Bar
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Defendant's Motion to Declare Section 921.141(5)(d) Florida Statute and/or the Section 921.141(5)(d) Standard Instruction Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied and to Preclude their Application at Bar
11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare Florida Statutes 921.141(5)(I) Unconstitutional and to Preclude its Use in the Present Case
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Motion to Declare Florida Statutes 921.141(5)(I) Unconstitutional and to Preclude its Use in the Present Case
11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare Florida Statute 921.141(5)(L) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied, and to Preclude its Use in the Case at Bar
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Defendant's Motion to Declare Florida Statute 921.141(5)(L) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied, and to Preclude its Use in the Case at Bar
11/25/2009 Motion
(Defendant's) for a Statement of Particulars Providing Notice of Aggravating Circumstances
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Defendant's Motion for a Statement of Particulars Providing Notice of Aggravating Circumstances
11/25/2009 OtherTable of Exhibits in Support of Defendant's Motion for a Statement of Particulars Providing Notice of Aggravating Factors
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Defendant's Objection to the Standard Jury Instruction on Reasonable Doubt
11/25/2009 Objection
Written Objection to the Standard Jury Instruction on Reasonable Doubt
11/25/2009 Other
Table of Exhibits for Defendant's Written Objection to the Standard Jury Instruction on Reasonable Doubt
11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare 921.141(5)(M) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied (Victim Vulnerable Due to Age, Disability, or Familial or Custodial Authority)
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Motion to Declare 921.141(5)(M) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied (Victim Vulnerable Due to Age, Disability, or Familial or Custodial Authority)
11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare 921.141 Florida Statutes Unconstitutional Because it Improperly Shifts Burdens of Proof to the Defendant, Thereby Creating a Presumption of Death
11/25/2009 Motion
to Prohibit any Reference to the Jury's Role at the Penalty Phase Being 'Advisory' or to the Jury's Penalty Verdict as Being a 'Recommendation'
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Defendant's Motion to Prohibit any Reference to the Jury's Role at the Penalty Phase as Being 'Advisory' or to the Jury's Penalty Verdict as Being a 'Recommendation'
11/25/2009 Exhibit(s)
in Support of Motion to Prohibit any Reference to the Jury's Role at the Penalty Phase Being 'Advisory' or to the Jury's Penalty Verdict as Being a 'Recommendation'
11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare Florida Statute 921.141 Unconstitutional Due to its Failure to Narrow the Scope of the Death Penalty
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Motion to Declare Florida Statute 921.141 Unconstitutional Due to its Failure to Narrow the Scope of the Death Penalty
11/25/2009 Motion
for Jury Instructions Correctly Defining "Premeditation"
11/25/2009 Memorandum
Accompanying Motion for Jury Instructions Correctly Defining "Premeditation"Wow.

Here is the link to that statute:

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statuTes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0921/Sec141.HTM

[AnnieKins]

and you will again, and again, and again, and again.

Where is that head slamming into a brick wall icon? Why don't we learn? :flamemad:

[Jeepers]

I would say so. Not to mention that the "hot body" is getting less and less "hot" as the days go by. :smile:

I like her new wardrab. Sea Foam Green Puffy Pirate shirt. I bet she cried when she saw her new dudes!
KC is just not the fashion statement she thought she once was.

[girlspell]

I would not say that I'm "angry" with Cindy, but she is the master manipulator behind this tragedy.

She never held Casey accountable for any of her actions and the result was a young woman who thought she could murder her child and walk away from it knowing that mom would make it all better... the way she did with everything else she ever did in her life.

I think Cindy is the hated one because she produced the daughter the world knows. She raised her. She never dropped Casey on her head. Instead she brought up a twisted person. So, it speaks for itself.

[Sun]

Wow.

Here is the link to that statute:

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statuTes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0921/Sec141.HTM

921.141 Sentence of death or life imprisonment for capital felonies; further proceedings to determine sentence.--

(1) SEPARATE PROCEEDINGS ON ISSUE OF PENALTY.--Upon conviction or adjudication of guilt of a defendant of a capital felony, the court shall conduct a separate sentencing proceeding to determine whether the defendant should be sentenced to death or life imprisonment as authorized by s. 775.082. The proceeding shall be conducted by the trial judge before the trial jury as soon as practicable.

[jessie]

Why are people so angry with Cindy? She didn't murder Caylee. :confused: And yes, I have followed her antics, but she's not the evil one sitting in jail. Is it because there is nothing else to talk about? Its because she continually lies and tries to drag innocent people into Caseys mess. JMO

[Jeepers]

Lyon doesn't like her chances with Florida laws, so she's challenging their consitutionally. Or am should I read these titles a bit more closely?

No, I think there are going to be some more bumps in the road for Ms. Lyons before this is over. If everything goes as plan Ms. Lyons might even have a spoiled record.
If she could just get rid of all the Southern Conservatives she might could just see a light at the end of the tunnel. Well, Ms. Lyons Good Luck with that.

[Sun]

11/25/2009 Motion to Declare 921.141(5)(M) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied (Victim Vulnerable Due to Age, Disability, or Familial or Custodial Authority)

11/25/2009 Memorandum of Law in Support of Motion to Declare 921.141(5)(M) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied (Victim Vulnerable Due to Age, Disability, or Familial or Custodial Authority)


Ok, here is one thing that Lyon "says" is unconstitutional facially and as applied. .....

(5) AGGRAVATING CIRCUMSTANCES.--Aggravating circumstances shall be limited to the following:
(m) The victim of the capital felony was particularly vulnerable due to advanced age or disability, or because the defendant stood in a position of familial or custodial authority over the victim.

[Pruddennce]

thanks for that link, Pru! I'm trying to read the info there, but am thinking that I should just ask if someone could explain it to me in a form that I might be able to more easily understand.

im not one to ask about the law...Im just guessing why that motion would be filed. cart before the horse? maybe its not so odd, but I tend to think it is as the judge gives the jury instructions at trial, however, the lawyers sometimes address it during voir dire...*can you follow the law, such as...*

draino anyone? :D

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[Julie Dupree]

In looking up some of the laws that Sun had posted, I found this. Thought you might want to read it.

http://www.swartzlenamon.com/deathpenaltyblog/category/aggravating-circumstances-under-9211415

[neid_77]

11/25/2009 Motion to Declare 921.141(5)(M) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied (Victim Vulnerable Due to Age, Disability, or Familial or Custodial Authority)

11/25/2009 Memorandum of Law in Support of Motion to Declare 921.141(5)(M) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied (Victim Vulnerable Due to Age, Disability, or Familial or Custodial Authority)


Ok, here is one thing that Lyon "says" is unconstitutional facially and as applied. .....

(5) AGGRAVATING CIRCUMSTANCES.--Aggravating circumstances shall be limited to the following:
(m) The victim of the capital felony was particularly vulnerable due to advanced age or disability, or because the defendant stood in a position of familial or custodial authority over the victim.


where ALL!!! of those motions filed by the defense on the 25th please someon!?!?:scared:

[*MoonRider*]

Florida Statutes 921.141

I'm going to have to look up this law. Lyon seems to not like it at all. It appears to be good enough for other criminals tried in Florida, but she appears to think that Casey is "special" or something.

l) The victim of the capital felony was a person less than 12 years of age.

Doesn't this cover the death penalty in a nut shell :shrug:

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statuTes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0921/Sec141.HTM

[Sun]

where ALL!!! of those motions filed by the defense on the 25th please someon!?!?:scared:

Yes, they weren't there earlier this morning.

[Jeepers]

where ALL!!! of those motions filed by the defense on the 25th please someon!?!?:scared:

It appears they have been busy bees and in the middle of all of this they even had time to throw Mr. Kronk under the bus!:tongueside:
I hope they take some time off this Holiday weekend I sure don't want them be worn out and exhausted before the trial starts.:drool:

[Sun]

Lyon appears to be still trying to get the death penalty taken off the table. ...she appears to have a one-track mind.

Lyon also appears to still be trying to get a handle on how the State is going to present their case. JMO



11/25/2009 Motion (Defendant's) for a Statement of Particulars Providing Notice of Aggravating Circumstances

11/25/2009 Memorandum of Law in Support of Defendant's Motion for a Statement of Particulars Providing Notice of Aggravating Circumstances

11/25/2009 Other Table of Exhibits in Support of Defendant's Motion for a Statement of Particulars Providing Notice of Aggravating Factors

[Spots]

where ALL!!! of those motions filed by the defense on the 25th please someon!?!?:scared:

Sure. That's the date Lyon's students' papers were due.

[BlueTurtle]

I agree. This is what she promised (or was it threatened) to do. Keep filing motions. Looks like she'll be doing this right up until trial.

And when she gets convicted, the charge of ineffective counsel can not be leveled as a reason to overturn the verdict. Keep it up AL. I want CA to have a fair trial.

[Spots]

Yep. Let's hope they surpass the quality of prior motions, many of which IIRC were dismissed/ignored/used for scratch paper/lit on fire because they were, well, garbage.

Let's hope they don't. :D

[Bette]

i would say so. Not to mention that the "hot body" is getting less and less "hot" as the days go by. :smile:

flashbacks of bacne.........

[*MoonRider*]

Lyon appears to be still trying to get the death penalty taken off the table. ...she appears to have a one-track mind.

Lyon also appears to still be trying to get a handle on how the State is going to present their case. JMO



11/25/2009 Motion (Defendant's) for a Statement of Particulars Providing Notice of Aggravating Circumstances

11/25/2009 Memorandum of Law in Support of Defendant's Motion for a Statement of Particulars Providing Notice of Aggravating Circumstances

11/25/2009 Other Table of Exhibits in Support of Defendant's Motion for a Statement of Particulars Providing Notice of Aggravating Factors

Due to Tiger Woods accident, team Baez will not get the local coverage they had hoped for. imo

[Sun]

And when she gets convicted, the charge of ineffective counsel can not be leveled as a reason to overturn the verdict. Keep it up AL. I want CA to have a fair trial.

Is it normal though, for Lyon to be filing these types of motions at this point in the case? Or will we see them now, and then again later on also?

I know that the defense must file motions in order to effectively defend their client. Lyon wants her time on the stage (oops, I mean in the courtroom).

[Spots]

How so? :confused:

Puhleeze tell me this isn't because Casey claims she handed Caylee off to ______ [fill in the blank].

Caylee was not in a position of familial or custodial care because *Kronk* kidnapped her and killed her.

[Pruddennce]

l) The victim of the capital felony was a person less than 12 years of age.

Doesn't this cover the death penalty in a nut shell :shrug:

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statuTes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0921/Sec141.HTM

I dont see the DP going away before trial unless she pleads to having been involved in her death.......----->insert new lie here.


IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[Sun]

I dont see the DP going away before trial unless she pleads to having been involved in her death.......----->insert new lie here.


IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

I don't either. I do suspect that Baez is hoping though. His ego wants "his self" in the Lead Chair for "his" case.

[Spots]

O/T ... wow, I hadn't heard this. Thanks for the heads up. I hope he's okay. :unsure:

Update: TW "Seriously" injured - car hit fire hydrant and tree at 2:30 AM. No alcohol involved. (per ESPN)

2:30 AM???????

We now resume your regularly scheduled program.

[Bette]

Is it normal though, for Lyon to be filing these types of motions at this point in the case? Or will we see them now, and then again later on also?

I know that the defense must file motions in order to effectively defend their client. Lyon wants her time on the stage (oops, I mean in the courtroom).

This looks like harassment of the Judge to me, LOL. He will need to be working 24 hours a day to deal with all these Motions, but I know the defense has a perfectly legal right (and perhaps obligation) to do this. So, perhaps it will serve as a delay tactic, which I hear benefits the defense.

[ttcRider]

... and he was backing out of the driveway at the time ... :confused:

wonder where he was going... :sneaky:

[Bette]

... and he was backing out of the driveway at the time ... :confused:

Unbelievable things continue to happen in Orlando.....!

[Bette]

The way this seems to work is a hearing is held for the motions, the state says this ---> :rolleyes: :lol: :thumbdown: <--- about them, the judge says he'll rule on them later, the hearing ends, then we either hear within a few days the judge agrees with the state, or alternatively, we hear <crickets>, like the hearing never happened.

I've noticed!

[Scampi]

Yep. Let's hope they surpass the quality of prior motions, many of which IIRC were dismissed/ignored/used for scratch paper/lit on fire because they were, well, garbage.

Don't forget the Good Linda's description of "fatally flawed" motions, tho that could also describe the accused babykiller, imo.

:biggrin:

[hello its me]

Update: TW "Seriously" injured - car hit fire hydrant and tree at 2:30 AM. No alcohol involved. (per ESPN)

2:30 AM???????

We now resume your regularly scheduled program.

charges pending... what was he doing? Poor Baez... off the front page.

[Dtviewer3]

wonder where he was going... :sneaky:

Trying to be first in line at Wal-Mart for the after Thanksgiving sale?

J/K....hope he is well....just 4 majors shy of Nicklaus record!

[kakax]

Update: TW "Seriously" injured - car hit fire hydrant and tree at 2:30 AM. No alcohol involved. (per ESPN)

2:30 AM???????

We now resume your regularly scheduled program.

OT

He is going to be fine...says his agent

[Dtviewer3]

OT

He is going to be fine...says his agent

Thanks Kakax....I was looking all over on-line.

[kakax]

Thanks Kakax....I was looking all over on-line.

All you non twitter'ers need to twitter haha

I got it before they had it on FNC.

Indeed, Baez had a few moments rest from being on front page, but sounds like this Wood's story isn't as big as it was made out to be at first.

Wake up Baez!

[Aunt]

Trying to be first in line at Wal-Mart for the after Thanksgiving sale?

J/K....hope he is well....just 4 majors shy of Nicklaus record!

Hope his wife is okay after she read the Enquirer yesterday! :w00t:

[Sun]

Here is the earlier Motion that Lyon filed in regards to the death penalty. Can anyone remember if Judge Strickland heard this motion, or made a ruling? (with the video/audio fiasco at the last hearing, I may have missed it)

Motion to Preclude the Death Penalty Procedures
Defense's Motion (9/30/09): http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21163542/detail.html
State's Response (10/8/09): http://www.docstoc.com/docs/document-preview.aspx?doc_id=13088318

[eastside joe]

Thanks everyone for your opinions on why Cindy was supposed to be journaling. I find it interesting that nobody said that it might be due to any professional counseling that Cindy may be undergoing. I didn't really think that it was because a professional counselor wanted Cindy to be journaling either. ...but because Cindy saying that she wasn't keeping up with her journaling, I was waivering just a bit.

Wasn't it mentioned early on in the case that Cindy was in counseling and the counselor advised her to kick Casey out of the house?

[pixiejoolz]

Unbelievable things continue to happen in Orlando.....!

I think the Bermuda Triangle has relocated slightly north. jmo

[AnnieKins]

Supposed to be the Happiest Place on Earth, too. :blink:

Not for a lot of little kids down that way recently. :sad:

[Scampi]

Here are the latest entries on the Clerk of Courts records for the murder case.

(Snipped)



Thanks for posting all of that Sunnie. It appears that the genius pioneer has listed everything but the kitchen sink....... :laugh:

I think Judge Strickland will make short order of the nonsense and cut to the quick of this case.

I see no legitimate constitutional challenge for this accused baby killer, I do see that she took away Caylee Anthony's constitutional rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness tho. That's who I am concerned about here.

[BettyC]

IIRC, Cindy "saw a counselor," didn't like what the counselor advised her to do, and that was the end of that. My guesses?

Pick one:

Cindy saw a counselor exactly once
The counselor wasn't a professional but simply a friend or acquaintance who "counseled" Cindy
Cindy read an article or book suggesting tough love and spun that into "I saw a counselor"
Cindy made the whole thing up for no reason other than to demonstrate what a martyr she is to her cause (Casey)


I thought it was work-related counselor - in other words, free.

[AnnieKins]

IIRC, Cindy "saw a counselor," didn't like what the counselor advised her to do, and that was the end of that. My guesses?

Pick one:

Cindy saw a counselor exactly once
The counselor wasn't a professional but simply a friend or acquaintance who "counseled" Cindy
Cindy read an article or book suggesting tough love and spun that into "I saw a counselor"
Cindy made the whole thing up for no reason other than to demonstrate what a martyr she is to her cause (Casey)


5. Cindy saw a counselor walking down the street and thought, "Oh, now I can say I saw a counsellor without having to lie."

Okay... scratch that one.

[Sun]

Ah, I remember something about that. She called the Employee Assistance Program phone line, maybe? At the prompting of her supervisor? Am I remembering correctly?

That's how I remember it. Through Cindy's work, so many FREE visits per year, maybe? But Cindy quit going, because she didn't like what she was advised to do.

[5boxersmom]

Quick question. In the press conference didn't Dr. G say they identified Caylee through DNA?

tia

[MichelleP]

Caylee was not in a position of familial or custodial care because *Kronk* kidnapped her and killed her.

Are you serious? You think Kronk had something to do with it? I thought it was Zanny the nanny :rolleyes:

[Scampi]

Quick question. In the press conference didn't Dr. G say they identified Caylee through DNA?

tia

Yes, she did Mom.

[hello its me]

Quick question. In the press conference didn't Dr. G say they identified Caylee through DNA?

tia

yes, from a leg bone, I believe. Definitely DNA.

[seeing_eye]

Why are people so angry with Cindy? She didn't murder Caylee. :confused: And yes, I have followed her antics, but she's not the evil one sitting in jail. Is it because there is nothing else to talk about?

You have obviously not been following this case at all.

Like most people, I felt compassion for the Anthonys in the beginning, especially when I heard about Cindy telling George in an anguished voice, "We've lost her. We've lost Caylee!" That had to have been unimaginable pain.

But immediately thereafter they began to pretend to be in denial of everything they knew to be the truth. I don't believe they were ever in denial. I think they knew the truth the instant they smelled the car. But then they immediately went into "circle the wagons" mode to cut their losses. They lost one "daughter" (remember Cindy considered Caylee her daughter), but they did not want to lose both daughters. I actually would never have criticized them for not wanting to lose both and would have felt great sympathy for them. But I do find fault with how they've gone about it. IMO, their actions have shown a lack of honesty, ethics, and morals. And their actions have revealed a great deal of character defects.

I think anyone should support a child in the kind of trouble Casey is in. If I was Casey's mother I would be there to support her in everything. I would be sitting on her side of the courtroom, I would be paying for her defense if I had the resources, I would be visiting her in jail, and I would be writing her letters telling her how much I care. But I would not lie to cover for her, I would not try to throw suspicion on any and everyone who's nearby, I would not hinder the search for my granddaughter (dead or alive) to give a potential jury a reasonable doubt, and I would not try to prevent my daughter from owning up to the responsibility of her own actions. As if all that were not enough, they then began to live off their own granddaughter's death and began preying on the suffering of others for their own profit.

Is it the public's fault the Anthonys are so vilified? It was their murdering daughter that made them famous. And it was their bizarre and outrageous behavior that made them infamous. Don't blame that on the innocent public. The Anthonys have vilified themselves by their own actions.

And as for the inference that the public is usurping God's right to judge the Anthonys, I leave it to God to judge whether they have the right to enter Heaven or Hell. But I reserve the right to have my own opinions on their actions while on this earth, and I deem their actions to be vile and inexcusable.

[achristie]

thats a good question Sun....the handbook only mentions this:

Telephone times and limits depend on your housing and classification.

http://www.orangecountyfl.net/NR/rdonlyres/edjj3dhkrcnmfje73uk3lbalmnpz3vkfv7jxy5o3jzjexhc5qe tms72rlaz5s6xwdvzogodifymnm3fajgwutu47luc/InmateHandbookEnglish0609.pdf

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

OMG. Reading that hand book gave me the willies. I would wither on the vine feeling such constraints. I got claustrophobic. It's true....crime doesn't pay.

MOO Aggie

[BettyC]

Quick question. In the press conference didn't Dr. G say they identified Caylee through DNA?

tia

Yes.


According to Dr. G, the FBI lab in Quantico matched nuclear DNA to known samples belonging to Caylee Anthony and made the match.


http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1319264/dr_g_identifies_remains_as_caylee_anthonys.html?ca t=17

[5boxersmom]

Yes, she did Mom.

Well I ran across this blog and I thought what the heck are they talking about and why are they starting this rumor.
:confused:



There seems to be a lot of speculation in the media regarding this topic and no one has actually been able to confirm a DNA match indicating the remains are those of the missing child.

http://www.missingpersoncenter.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=50&Itemid=1

jmo

[sammy62]

does anyone have a handy link to the motions today. tia

[seeing_eye]

Wasn't it mentioned early on in the case that Cindy was in counseling and the counselor advised her to kick Casey out of the house?

Yes, that is true, but IIRC, Cindy said she didn't agree with the counselor's opinions and refused to go back.

[Sun]

does anyone have a handy link to the motions today. tia

None of the media have posted links yet so that we can read the motions. A couple of pages earlier, I posted the brief info on the Motions that I found on the Clerk of Courts records.

[BettyC]

Well I ran across this blog and I thought what the heck are they talking about and why are they starting this rumor.
:confused:



There seems to be a lot of speculation in the media regarding this topic and no one has actually been able to confirm a DNA match indicating the remains are those of the missing child.

http://www.missingpersoncenter.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=50&Itemid=1

jmo

They don't know what they're talking about. I don't see a place to respond so I just gave it a poor rating.

[Sun]

So far, I've not found that any of the media have commented on the numerous motions filed today by the defense.

[Dunlurken]

They don't know what they're talking about. I don't see a place to respond so I just gave it a poor rating.

I believe it was through dental records . JMO.

[Spots]

I believe it was through dental records . JMO.

Autopsy Report (http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801498/detail.html)

See page 4.

"The skeletal remains were identified by nuclear DNA comparison done by the FBI DNA laboratory in Quantico, Virginia. The DNA from the skeleton was taken from the tibia."

[Dunlurken]

Autopsy Report (http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801498/detail.html)

See page 4.

"The skeletal remains were identified by nuclear DNA comparison done by the FBI DNA laboratory in Quantico, Virginia. The DNA from the skeleton was taken from the tibia."
I stand corrected. Thank you.

[seeing_eye]

Well I ran across this blog and I thought what the heck are they talking about and why are they starting this rumor.
:confused:



There seems to be a lot of speculation in the media regarding this topic and no one has actually been able to confirm a DNA match indicating the remains are those of the missing child.

http://www.missingpersoncenter.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=50&Itemid=1

jmo

From the atrocious grammar and punctuation errors in the blog, I would suspect it was written by Cindy. And from the outright false content of the blog (such as it's statement that there is much speculation in the media about whether or not the remains found by Kronk is actually Caylee) reminds me considerably of Cindy's ideas. But I imagine there could be one or two more deluded souls in the world who might possess these same characteristics, so can't say for sure who it might be.

[hello its me]

I believe it was through dental records . JMO.


:confused: Caylee never had dental records. AND her little teeth were scattered around. It was DNA. GOSH, will you READ for us as a Christmas gift?

[eastside joe]

Hey folks. Months ago I was confident that the 90 plus text messages sent back and forth between Tony and Casey on the evening of June 15 into the wee hours of June 16 and their 5 phone conversations during that same time period would be beneficial in establishing Casey's state of mind.

I was surprised and disappointed when posters informed me that those text messages were addressed in the documents and they did not amount to much.

Can anyone direct me to where I could locate this information in the documents? Thanks in advance for the help. :smile:

[Justice4all]

All I can say is don't judge a person until you walk in their shoes. Let's hope to god your child doesn't murder your grand child. THEN you could judge Cindy if you have a base to enumerate your opinion.

Not defending Cindy at all. But SHE did not murder Caylee. JMO.

You've walked in Shaniya Davis's fathers shoes before? Because you sure have been judging him...MHO

[5boxersmom]

From the atrocious grammar and punctuation errors in the blog, I would suspect it was written by Cindy. And from the outright false content of the blog (such as it's statement that there is much speculation in the media about whether or not the remains found by Kronk is actually Caylee) reminds me considerably of Cindy's ideas. But I imagine there could be one or two more deluded souls in the world who might possess these same characteristics, so can't say for sure who it might be.

ITA. I have never heard the media speculate it is not Caylee.

jmo

[5boxersmom]

They don't know what they're talking about. I don't see a place to respond so I just gave it a poor rating.

There is a Contact Us, so I sent them the Autopsy Report, Thanks Spots, and gave the page and the quote. Will I get a response? :biggrin:

jmo

[BettyC]

Hey folks. Months ago I was confident that the 90 plus text messages sent back and forth between Tony and Casey on the evening of June 15 into the wee hours of June 16 and their 5 phone conversations during that same time period would be beneficial in establishing Casey's state of mind.

I was surprised and disappointed when posters informed me that those text messages were addressed in the documents and they did not amount to much.

Can anyone direct me to where I could locate this information in the documents? Thanks in advance for the help. :smile:

I don't know that I've seen them eastside joe. I'll look around.

eta: They were together the evening of June 15th watching movies right? Tony surely will testify to her state of mind .

[BettyC]

There is a Contact Us, so I sent them the Autopsy Report, Thanks Spots, and gave the page and the quote. Will I get a response? :biggrin:

jmo

Oh no, you're brave. You gave them your name and email address?

[BettyC]

I don't think the actual text msgs have been released, Betty. I think we've read (and I have no idea where) Tony told LE the conversations/texts were of the "pillow talk" variety and revealed nothing about what she had done/was about to do (movie night was the 16th, the all-night marathon texting/calling was the 15th IIRC).

Thanks Imp, I didn't think we'd read those text msgs.

BTW, while searching, I came across one of my bookmarks for the person who has loads of transcriptions of the interviews in the case.

The second article here leads me to believe she thinks there is some credence to what Joy Wray has to say. I'm really surprised.

http://www.rosespeaks.com/rose-blog/


eta: I think I'm getting my Rose's mixed up. I was thinking of this one as the site where the transcripts are:

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcripts.htm

ACandyRose

[BettyC]

I don't think the actual text msgs have been released, Betty. I think we've read (and I have no idea where) Tony told LE the conversations/texts were of the "pillow talk" variety and revealed nothing about what she had done/was about to do (movie night was the 16th, the all-night marathon texting/calling was the 15th IIRC).

I see the Log here to show how often they talked or texted:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297/Casey_Anthony_cell_records_615_to_716

[Katprint]

So far, I've not found that any of the media have commented on the numerous motions filed today by the defense.
I am dubious that any motions were actually "filed" today because today is a court holiday. http://www.ninthcircuit.org/about/court_holidays/index.shtml

With regard to motions filed the day before Thanksgiving on November 25, 2009, the media probably has not been able to get a copy of those to analyze due to the court being closed on Thanksgiving and the Day After Thanksgiving. We'll probably hear all about them on Monday and even be able to read them for ourselves.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Sun]

I am dubious that any motions were actually "filed" today because today is a court holiday. http://www.ninthcircuit.org/about/court_holidays/index.shtml

With regard to motions filed the day before Thanksgiving on November 25, 2009, the media probably has not been able to get a copy of those to analyze due to the court being closed on Thanksgiving and the Day After Thanksgiving. We'll probably hear all about them on Monday and even be able to read them for ourselves.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

You are right. I should have said on Wednesday. Yet, the Clerk of Courts online records didn't contain the entries this morning when both desmom and I checked. Hard to keep online systems current I guess, when faced with holidays.

[denjet]

None of the media have posted links yet so that we can read the motions. A couple of pages earlier, I posted the brief info on the Motions that I found on the Clerk of Courts records.

Hi Sun!
Thanks for posting the new motions ... can't help but notice they were filed the day before a holiday ... they seem to like filing late on Fridays too
... hmmmm

In attempt to break down these into something I could understand, here are the ones that challenge the constitutionality of

921.141 Sentence of death or life imprisonment for capital felonies; further proceedings to determine sentence.--:
Florida Statute 921.141 (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statuTes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0921/Sec141.HTM)

The defenses motions:

(1) to Declare Florida Statute Section 921.141 Unconstitutional
Under Ring vs. Arizona Ring vs Arizona (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_v._Arizona) Ring v. Arizona is a case in which the United States Supreme Court applied the rule of Apprendi v. New Jersey to capital sentencing schemes, holding that the Sixth Amendment requires a jury to find the aggravating factors necessary for imposing the death penalty. It struck down Arizona's judge-only method of imposing the death penalty
Apprendi v. New Jersey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apprendi_v._New_Jersey)prohibited judges from enhancing criminal sentences beyond statutory maximums based on facts other than those decided by the jury beyond a reasonable doubt.

(2) Unconstitutional Because it Improperly Shifts Burdens of Proof to the Defendant, Thereby Creating a Presumption of Death

(3) Unconstitutional Due to its Failure to Narrow the Scope of the Death Penalty

Perhaps one of our legal eagles can help on this ... but to a lay person it sounds like Lyon is looking to change the laws .... Ring v. Arizona was a supreme court decision as was Apprendi v. New Jersey ...

calling Katprint, calling Katprint :smile:

[Katprint]

You are right. I should have said on Wednesday. Yet, the Clerk of Courts online records didn't contain the entries this morning when both desmom and I checked. Hard to keep online systems current I guess, when faced with holidays.
I didn't intend the date/holiday correction in an insulting way. It doesn't take much imagination to picture Baez & co. taking advantage of the court being closed for a holiday - and consequently, the majority of the prosecution staff being gone and thus unavailable for refuting comments - to announce that the defense team had just filed a pile of fabulous motions that were going to crack this case wide open, prove Casey's innocence, nail the real culprit, etc.

I note that the titles of the various motions indicate a challenge to the constitutionality/applicability of the death penalty. If the defense team was really as convinced as they pretend to be that Casey will be acquitted of all charges concerning Caylee's death, then they wouldn't bother challenging the death penalty. I understand that they don't want a death-qualified jury to be seated because a death-qualified jury may be more likely to convict even if they choose not to impose the death penalty. However, they claim to have really convincing explanations for why Casey didn't bother to report Caylee as "missing," why Casey partied and got tattoos and did everything EXCEPT search for Caylee, why Casey's car smelled like a dead body, why Casey lied to her own mother about Caylee being missing, why Casey lied to law enforcement about her imagi-job, imagi-nanny, imagi-search etc., why Caylee's remains were discovered so close to the Anthony residence, why Caylee's skull was wrapped with the Anthonys' special rare duct tape, and so forth. I don't understand why those convincing explanations can't be disclosed during their TV show appearances - the Duke lacross team had good success getting their bogus rape charges dismissed after publicly disclosing their solid alibi evidence - but surely the defense team will be giving those convincing explanations to the jury at trial. So an acquittal is in the bag, right? And there isn't even a chance of a penalty phase, right? So they don't need to worry about the death penalty at all, right?

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[denjet]

Here's my Cliff Notes version of the Motions to declare sections of 921.141 Unconstitutional

Sections:

(5)(d) Standard Instruction Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied and to Preclude their Application at Bar
(d) The capital felony was committed while the defendant was engaged, or was an accomplice, in the commission of, or an attempt to commit, or flight after committing or attempting to commit, any: robbery; sexual battery; aggravated child abuse; abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult resulting in great bodily harm, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement; arson; burglary; kidnapping; aircraft piracy; or unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb.

(5)(h) Jury Instruction Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied
(h) The capital felony was especially heinous, atrocious, or cruel.

(5)(I) Unconstitutional and to Preclude its Use in the Present Case
(I)The capital felony was a homicide and was committed in a cold, calculated, and premeditated manner without any pretense of moral or legal justification.

(5)(L) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied, and to Preclude its Use in the Case at Bar
(L)The victim of the capital felony was a person less than 12 years of age.

(5)(M) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied (Victim Vulnerable Due to Age, Disability, or Familial or Custodial Authority)
(M)The victim of the capital felony was particularly vulnerable due to advanced age or disability, or because the defendant stood in a position of familial or custodial authority over the victim.

So WTH ?? Seems Lyon wants the aggravating circumstances that apply in this case to be thrown out ??? Is she crazy ??

[Pruddennce]

You have obviously not been following this case at all.

Like most people, I felt compassion for the Anthonys in the beginning, especially when I heard about Cindy telling George in an anguished voice, "We've lost her. We've lost Caylee!" That had to have been unimaginable pain.

But immediately thereafter they began to pretend to be in denial of everything they knew to be the truth. I don't believe they were ever in denial. I think they knew the truth the instant they smelled the car. But then they immediately went into "circle the wagons" mode to cut their losses. They lost one "daughter" (remember Cindy considered Caylee her daughter), but they did not want to lose both daughters. I actually would never have criticized them for not wanting to lose both and would have felt great sympathy for them. But I do find fault with how they've gone about it. IMO, their actions have shown a lack of honesty, ethics, and morals. And their actions have revealed a great deal of character defects.

I think anyone should support a child in the kind of trouble Casey is in. If I was Casey's mother I would be there to support her in everything. I would be sitting on her side of the courtroom, I would be paying for her defense if I had the resources, I would be visiting her in jail, and I would be writing her letters telling her how much I care. But I would not lie to cover for her, I would not try to throw suspicion on any and everyone who's nearby, I would not hinder the search for my granddaughter (dead or alive) to give a potential jury a reasonable doubt, and I would not try to prevent my daughter from owning up to the responsibility of her own actions. As if all that were not enough, they then began to live off their own granddaughter's death and began preying on the suffering of others for their own profit.

Is it the public's fault the Anthonys are so vilified? It was their murdering daughter that made them famous. And it was their bizarre and outrageous behavior that made them infamous. Don't blame that on the innocent public. The Anthonys have vilified themselves by their own actions.

And as for the inference that the public is usurping God's right to judge the Anthonys, I leave it to God to judge whether they have the right to enter Heaven or Hell. But I reserve the right to have my own opinions on their actions while on this earth, and I deem their actions to be vile and inexcusable.

perfect explanation as to WHY people would view the anthonys as vile creatures.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[denjet]

Here are my Cliff Notes on the remainder of the motions:

For Statement of Particulars Providing Notice of Aggravating Circumstances

For Jury Instructions Correctly Defining "Premeditation"

Written Objection to the Standard Jury Instruction on Reasonable Doubt

These seems pretty basic definitions that the court explains to the jury ?? What am I missing ??? Does Lyon want to use her own definitions?

To Prohibit any Reference to the Jury's Role at the Penalty Phase Being 'Advisory' or to the Jury's Penalty Verdict as Being a 'Recommendation'

Is so Lyon can use words like recommending "killing" her client, or voting to "kill" as opposed to voting to recommend DP sentence ??? Is this so she can use her dramatics during the sentencing phase ??

[Sun]

Here are my Cliff Notes on the remainder of the motions:

For Statement of Particulars Providing Notice of Aggravating Circumstances

For Jury Instructions Correctly Defining "Premeditation"

Written Objection to the Standard Jury Instruction on Reasonable Doubt

These seems pretty basic definitions that the court explains to the jury ?? What am I missing ??? Does Lyon want to use her own definitions?

To Prohibit any Reference to the Jury's Role at the Penalty Phase Being 'Advisory' or to the Jury's Penalty Verdict as Being a 'Recommendation'

Is so Lyon can use words like recommending "killing" her client, or voting to "kill" as opposed to voting to recommend DP sentence ??? Is this so she can use her dramatics during the sentencing phase ??

Were you able to listen to Lyon's speech? The words "residual doubt" come into my mind. And yes, I'd say that Lyon is hoping to be able to use the word "kill" much like she described in her speech. JMO Isn't Lyon a bit premature with some of these motions?

[pixiejoolz]

Here are my Cliff Notes on the remainder of the motions:

For Statement of Particulars Providing Notice of Aggravating Circumstances

For Jury Instructions Correctly Defining "Premeditation"

Written Objection to the Standard Jury Instruction on Reasonable Doubt

These seems pretty basic definitions that the court explains to the jury ?? What am I missing ??? Does Lyon want to use her own definitions?

To Prohibit any Reference to the Jury's Role at the Penalty Phase Being 'Advisory' or to the Jury's Penalty Verdict as Being a 'Recommendation'

Is so Lyon can use words like recommending "killing" her client, or voting to "kill" as opposed to voting to recommend DP sentence ??? Is this so she can use her dramatics during the sentencing phase ??

Red color by me.

Lyon considers her clients the "victims" so I think she is already using her own, very special defiinitions.:thumbdown:

[Pruddennce]

Here are my Cliff Notes on the remainder of the motions:

For Statement of Particulars Providing Notice of Aggravating Circumstances

For Jury Instructions Correctly Defining "Premeditation"

Written Objection to the Standard Jury Instruction on Reasonable Doubt

These seems pretty basic definitions that the court explains to the jury ?? What am I missing ??? Does Lyon want to use her own definitions?

To Prohibit any Reference to the Jury's Role at the Penalty Phase Being 'Advisory' or to the Jury's Penalty Verdict as Being a 'Recommendation'

Is so Lyon can use words like recommending "killing" her client, or voting to "kill" as opposed to voting to recommend DP sentence ??? Is this so she can use her dramatics during the sentencing phase ??

for me its baffling. The court gives the jury instructions of the law. The jury DOES make a recommendation. the judge decides the sentence, and the jury recommendation has alot of weight. what the heck is she trying to do here?

florida recently revised the jury instruction for the DP. is she saying she wants to make sure the court will deliver the revised DP jury instruction? again, cart before the horse mentality that the presiding honorable would overlook the revision?

http://www.floridabar.org/DIVCOM/JN/JNnews01.nsf/8c9f13012b96736985256aa900624829/9ce06193c2ea095685257663006ee804!OpenDocument

IMO, its INSULTING.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

[denjet]

I didn't intend the date/holiday correction in an insulting way. It doesn't take much imagination to picture Baez & co. taking advantage of the court being closed for a holiday - and consequently, the majority of the prosecution staff being gone and thus unavailable for refuting comments - to announce that the defense team had just filed a pile of fabulous motions that were going to crack this case wide open, prove Casey's innocence, nail the real culprit, etc.

I note that the titles of the various motions indicate a challenge to the constitutionality/applicability of the death penalty. If the defense team was really as convinced as they pretend to be that Casey will be acquitted of all charges concerning Caylee's death, then they wouldn't bother challenging the death penalty. I understand that they don't want a death-qualified jury to be seated because a death-qualified jury may be more likely to convict even if they choose not to impose the death penalty. However, they claim to have really convincing explanations for why Casey didn't bother to report Caylee as "missing," why Casey partied and got tattoos and did everything EXCEPT search for Caylee, why Casey's car smelled like a dead body, why Casey lied to her own mother about Caylee being missing, why Casey lied to law enforcement about her imagi-job, imagi-nanny, imagi-search etc., why Caylee's remains were discovered so close to the Anthony residence, why Caylee's skull was wrapped with the Anthonys' special rare duct tape, and so forth. I don't understand why those convincing explanations can't be disclosed during their TV show appearances - the Duke lacross team had good success getting their bogus rape charges dismissed after publicly disclosing their solid alibi evidence - but surely the defense team will be giving those convincing explanations to the jury at trial. So an acquittal is in the bag, right? And there isn't even a chance of a penalty phase, right? So they don't need to worry about the death penalty at all, right?

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Thanks for pointing this out, Kat ... ITA what's the big deal ?? It's pretty obvious it's all about seating a death qualified jury ... all those ugly conservatives, blue hairs, mean librarians, etc., etc. ... But even that, what's the big deal ... especially when you've been trying to convince the public of their client's innocence, then it would follow that the trial will never get to the penalty phase, right? :glare:

[Katprint]

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To Prohibit any Reference to the Jury's Role at the Penalty Phase Being 'Advisory' or to the Jury's Penalty Verdict as Being a 'Recommendation'

Is so Lyon can use words like recommending "killing" her client, or voting to "kill" as opposed to voting to recommend DP sentence ??? Is this so she can use her dramatics during the sentencing phase ??
This actually seems like a fair request. The jury should not be speculating on what the judge will do after they make their recommendation. It would be unfair for the jury to vote for death with a justification along the lines of, "Well, we want to send a message that what Casey did was really bad so we will vote for the death penalty. We'll leave it up to the judge to decide if she really deserves it." It would be even more unfair if the judge then rubberstamps the jury's recommendation with a justification along the lines of, "Well, if I were a juror, I wouldn't have voted for death. However, there is no legal grounds to overrule the jury's recommendation." This is really just the flip side of the frequent prosecution request that the jury should not speculate on the potential sentence to be imposed, like in juvenile-tried-as-adult case of Lionel Tate where the jury later expressed amazement and regret that the 14 year old convicted of a murder committed when he was 12 had been sentenced to life imprisonment without possibility of parole. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_Tate (sentence overturned on other grounds, Tate committed additional offenses & is back in prison)

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[SaraSidle]

Good morning Everyone :seeya:

Sitting in my hubby's hospital room. He is asleep. I love WiFI.
Thinking...
I hope everyone's Thanksgiving was wonderful. Mine and Hubby's went Bust!
Hubby admitted to hospital Wednesday afternoon. Pancretitis we thought it was gastritis. Scary when you self diagnose yourself.
Very painful.

I was thinking about the comparison of my Thanksgiving and Casey's
even though I do have a conscience that she appears not to have.
Very lonely yesterday at lunch time,knowing that the family was all together and eating all the favorites the kids asked grandma to make.
It was sad that KC made a choice to put herself where she is at today and where Caylee is at is even sadder. Caylee is going on 5 and what a wonderful age that is.The holidays and children. What fun!

It was great when everyone came to the hospital yesterday afternoon to visit with us and know that they are supporting us and love us.
I can't believe KC chooses to live in solitude. It is a hopless place to be.
Without my family and my husband's family I would have been very scared Wednesday night without their support.
I don't know how KC stood up to the killing Caylee and then to face LE and never crack.
Just amazing how you can get to such a lonely place (in your head).
during the holidays.

Jeepers I am so sorry that is how you spent your thanksgiving.
My prayers and thoughts are with you and your family. sara

[Coco]

perfect explanation as to WHY people would view the anthonys as vile creatures.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

I agree.......

[denjet]

This actually seems like a fair request. The jury should not be speculating on what the judge will do after they make their recommendation. It would be unfair for the jury to vote for death with a justification along the lines of, "Well, we want to send a message that what Casey did was really bad so we will vote for the death penalty. We'll leave it up to the judge to decide if she really deserves it." It would be even more unfair if the judge then rubberstamps the jury's recommendation with a justification along the lines of, "Well, if I were a juror, I wouldn't have voted for death. However, there is no legal grounds to overrule the jury's recommendation." This is really just the flip side of the frequent prosecution request that the jury should not speculate on the potential sentence to be imposed, like in juvenile-tried-as-adult case of Lionel Tate where the jury later expressed amazement and regret that the 14 year old convicted of a murder committed when he was 12 had been sentenced to life imprisonment without possibility of parole. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_Tate (sentence overturned on other grounds, Tate committed additional offenses & is back in prison)

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Thanks .. that makes more sense :biggrin:

[denjet]

Were you able to listen to Lyon's speech? The words "residual doubt" come into my mind. And yes, I'd say that Lyon is hoping to be able to use the word "kill" much like she described in her speech. JMO Isn't Lyon a bit premature with some of these motions?
Yes, I listen to it ... she has all kinds of sneaky ways around courtroom and procedure (some that are not allowed) and all kinds of ways of saying things in a way to the jurors to intimidate them into voting no to DP ...

That interview was very enlightening!

[CelticDawn]

A question is sticking in the forefront of my mind and just won't go away. Re the murder case: It appears the defense wants to propose other scenarios/theories, and "consider that maybe Kronk did it" is the most recent deviation from the Nanny story. How in the world is the defense going to get away from the Nanny lies without putting Casey on the stand to testify/explain? It will require Baez, et al, to come up with new lies to cover that one if they hope to accomplish escaping the Nanny line.........but even so, how will they get it before a jury or even before the general public?

????? How in God's name did they come up with that one? I have been away alot lately, and I knew from their past actios that they were willing to put this murder of Caylee on anybody and everybody that they could, but the LAST thing I heard was that they "didn't want to dig up anything on Kronk because they knew how it was to be unfairly scrutinized" or something like that.....THEIR POSITIONS CHANGE AS MUCH AS THEIR TRUTHS CHANGE!!!

They can put Casey under oath but she will lie. The oath means nothing to her. I would love to see that, and to see just how she would handle herself in a cross-examination.

[CelticDawn]

Yes, I listen to it ... she has all kinds of sneaky ways around courtroom and procedure (some that are not allowed) and all kinds of ways of saying things in a way to the jurors to intimidate them into voting no to DP ...

That interview was very enlightening!

Let's just pray that the jury will be aware of what people (including attorneys trying to get what they want) are capable of.....

[MrsHudson]

I am dubious that any motions were actually "filed" today because today is a court holiday. http://www.ninthcircuit.org/about/court_holidays/index.shtml

With regard to motions filed the day before Thanksgiving on November 25, 2009, the media probably has not been able to get a copy of those to analyze due to the court being closed on Thanksgiving and the Day After Thanksgiving. We'll probably hear all about them on Monday and even be able to read them for ourselves.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I read the motions had to do with constitutionality issues. Like one motion was questioning the constitutionality of the death penalty. Andrea Lyons at work again!

[5boxersmom]

Oh no, you're brave. You gave them your name and email address?

Sure I did. :wink:

[BettyC]

Sure I did. :wink:

Let us know if you hear back from them 5bm.

[gaelicpeas]

This actually seems like a fair request. The jury should not be speculating on what the judge will do after they make their recommendation. It would be unfair for the jury to vote for death with a justification along the lines of, "Well, we want to send a message that what Casey did was really bad so we will vote for the death penalty. We'll leave it up to the judge to decide if she really deserves it." It would be even more unfair if the judge then rubberstamps the jury's recommendation with a justification along the lines of, "Well, if I were a juror, I wouldn't have voted for death. However, there is no legal grounds to overrule the jury's recommendation." This is really just the flip side of the frequent prosecution request that the jury should not speculate on the potential sentence to be imposed, like in juvenile-tried-as-adult case of Lionel Tate where the jury later expressed amazement and regret that the 14 year old convicted of a murder committed when he was 12 had been sentenced to life imprisonment without possibility of parole. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_Tate (sentence overturned on other grounds, Tate committed additional offenses & is back in prison)

Katprint
Always only my own opinionsI am a little behind here... but after listening to Lyon's lecture, it seems to me that she doesn't want the jury to think that they are just 'recommending' the death penalty, and the judge will give the final word. IMO, she wants the jurors to "admit" that they are in fact imposing this penalty. It is all about making the jurors feel guilty for what they are doing.

[denjet]

I am a little behind here... but after listening to Lyon's lecture, it seems to me that she doesn't want the jury to think that they are just 'recommending' the death penalty, and the judge will give the final word. IMO, she wants the jurors to "admit" that they are in fact imposing this penalty. It is all about making the jurors feel guilty for what they are doing.

Yes, gaelic !! I wish someone would transcribe the lecture ... they were quite a few things to tell about how and what she does in the courtroom ... that's why she's trying to change the wording of death penalty hearings

[gaelicpeas]

Yes, gaelic !! I wish someone would transcribe the lecture ... they were quite a few things to tell about how and what she does in the courtroom ... that's why she's trying to change the wording of death penalty hearingsRight.. she wants to make them feel they are personally responsible for someone's death, as opposed to following the letter of the law and recommending the penalty that the law requires. She wants to get rid of the "recommending" part... so that she can lay the blame directly on the jurors. Sheesh....

Anyway, bed-time for me... interesting reading, though.

[Katprint]

I am a little behind here... but after listening to Lyon's lecture, it seems to me that she doesn't want the jury to think that they are just 'recommending' the death penalty, and the judge will give the final word. IMO, she wants the jurors to "admit" that they are in fact imposing this penalty. It is all about making the jurors feel guilty for what they are doing.
Even if Lyon's motives are improper, the request to delete the "advisory" and "recommendation" language is still a good one. The judge still has his same discretion not to follow a death penalty advisory/recommendation, same as he can grant a motion to dismiss at the close of the prosecution's case if he finds that no reasonable jury could convict or grant a mistrial or reduce a more serious charge to a lesser charge (i.e. a murder to a manslaughter). However, the jury should not be encouraged to speculate about what the judge might do, just like they are not supposed to speculate about what sentencing might follow their verdict, because that kind of speculation might improperly affect their deliberations.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Pruddennce]

Even if Lyon's motives are improper, the request to delete the "advisory" and "recommendation" language is still a good one. The judge still has his same discretion not to follow a death penalty advisory/recommendation, same as he can grant a motion to dismiss at the close of the prosecution's case if he finds that no reasonable jury could convict or grant a mistrial or reduce a more serious charge to a lesser charge (i.e. a murder to a manslaughter). However, the jury should not be encouraged to speculate about what the judge might do, just like they are not supposed to speculate about what sentencing might follow their verdict, because that kind of speculation might improperly affect their deliberations.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

what you refer to above has been recently amended. the jury is now being instructed accordingly.

however, what is NOT removed from the instructions: the law is: the jury RECOMMENDS and the trial judge deliberates on their recommendation. it must be made clear to the jurors what their role is and THAT lingo remains within florida's amended jury instructions for the death penalty. it is the judge's responsibility to make an INDEPENDENT decision based on their recommendation.

she wants the jurors to walk away without knowing the judge has the final say? she is asking FLORIDA, not the judge, to further amend their jury instructions.

its ridiculous and another wasteful motion.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Pruddennce]

I read the motions had to do with constitutionality issues. Like one motion was questioning the constitutionality of the death penalty. Andrea Lyons at work again!

yes Mrs H...AL at work again, using florida's judicial system as a platform to lobby against the DP in general...IMO, this is NOT about this particular case (cloaking her 'motions' in legal rhetoric....all she cares about is her scorecard).

in fact, she is perfectly free to ask the court when her client is found guilty if the court would kindly remove certain wording in the jury instructions about the death penalty, mainly 'oh please judge, dont tell them you have the final word on life or death'.....I dont think the judge is going to say OK, I wont define my role....Ill just let them THINK THEY, the jurors, are the only responsible individuals....

she wants to clog the florida judicial system with her personal agenda.....hope she presents her failed motions to her students.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[onlykaty]

yes Mrs H...AL at work again, using florida's judicial system as a platform to lobby against the DP in general...IMO, this is NOT about this particular case (cloaking her 'motions' in legal rhetoric....all she cares about is her scorecard).

in fact, she is perfectly free to ask the court when her client is found guilty if the court would kindly remove certain wording in the jury instructions about the death penalty, mainly 'oh please judge, dont tell them you have the final word on life or death'.....I dont think the judge is going to say OK, I wont define my role....Ill just let them THINK THEY, the jurors, are the only responsible individuals....

she wants to clog the florida judicial system with her personal agenda.....hope she presents her failed motions to her students.

IMO


best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

I for one am not impressed with AL's at all. I thought she was someone who really beleived in her cause. Maybe she does really beleive, but at what cost? To let the guilty go free? To deny what they obviously did? It seems to me her only goal is to get Casey off death row and out of prison if she can and deny Caylee justice no matter what it costs. I totally have no respect left for her..jmo.

[Scampi]

Good morning everyone. I would describe andrea as a "fanatic" and imo fanatics are never pretty to watch when they are in action on their causes.

I think Judge Strickland is a very good match for andrea's brand of shotgun motions and will make quick work of denying most of them.

On with this trial and Justice for Caylee Anthony.

:patriot:

[Sun]

Good morning everyone. I would describe andrea as a "fanatic" and imo fanatics are never pretty to watch when they are in action on their causes.

I think Judge Strickland is a very good match for andrea's brand of shotgun motions and will make quick work of denying most of them.

On with this trial and Justice for Caylee Anthony.

:patriot:

Judge Strickland has the experience and knowledge to handle not only the inexperience of Baez, but the on a mission "want-to-be actress" Lyon. And, then we have LKB, and Macaluso. Anyone hear if Macaluso is still dealing with those "bad checks" that he wrote?

[*MoonRider*]

Good morning everyone. I would describe andrea as a "fanatic" and imo fanatics are never pretty to watch when they are in action on their causes.

I think Judge Strickland is a very good match for andrea's brand of shotgun motions and will make quick work of denying most of them.

On with this trial and Justice for Caylee Anthony.

:patriot:

GM, it looks like AL is trying to change Florida law in her quest for justice for the odious child killer.

[Scampi]

Judge Strickland has the experience and knowledge to handle not only the inexperience of Baez, but the on a mission "want-to-be actress" Lyon. And, then we have LKB, and Macaluso. Anyone hear if Macaluso is still dealing with those "bad checks" that he wrote?

Good question. IIRC, macaluso came aboard to do an "accident reconstruction" I wonder how that nonsense is going to play with this new and exciting theory that Roy Krunk murdered Caylee????

I am so looking forward to seeing how this desperate defense team ties all this nonsense together, it's really going to be something else.

IMO

[kakax]

Take this link as not being a news source but it does have the aggravating factors that could go towards a sentence of death in this case...

http://www.realitychatter.com/caylee-anthony-f14/let-s-discuss-the-death-penalty-in-casey-anthony-case-t1532.htm?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[Sun]

Here are the latest entries on the Clerk of Courts records for the murder case. Lyon appears to want all of the Aggrevating Factors to go bye bye. Even would like for Judge Strickland to rule that the Death Penalty is Unconstitutional. (I wonder if she uses these same motions in ALL of her cases.)


11/25/2009 Motion to Declare Florida Statute Section 921.141 Unconstitutional Under Ring vs. Arizona
11/25/2009 Memorandum of Law in Support of Defendant's Motion to Declare Florida Statute 921.141 Unconstitutional Under Ring vs. Arizona

11/25/2009 Motion to Declare Fla. Stat. 921.141(5)(h) and/or the Standard (5)(h) Jury Instruction Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied
11/25/2009 Memorandum Supporting Motion to Declare Fla. Stat. 921.141(5)(h) and/or the Standard (5)(h) Jury instruction Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied

11/25/2009 Motion to Declare Section 921.141(5)(d) Florida Statute and/or the Section 921.141(5)(d) Standard Instruction Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied and to Preclude their Application at Bar
11/25/2009 Memorandum of Law in Support of Defendant's Motion to Declare Section 921.141(5)(d) Florida Statute and/or the Section 921.141(5)(d) Standard Instruction Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied and to Preclude their Application at Bar

11/25/2009 Motion to Declare Florida Statutes 921.141(5)(I) Unconstitutional and to Preclude its Use in the Present Case
11/25/2009 Memorandum of Law in Support of Motion to Declare Florida Statutes 921.141(5)(I) Unconstitutional and to Preclude its Use in the Present Case

11/25/2009 Motion to Declare Florida Statute 921.141(5)(L) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied, and to Preclude its Use in the Case at Bar
11/25/2009 Memorandum of Law in Support of Defendant's Motion to Declare Florida Statute 921.141(5)(L) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied, and to Preclude its Use in the Case at Bar

11/25/2009 Motion (Defendant's) for a Statement of Particulars Providing Notice of Aggravating Circumstances
11/25/2009 Memorandum of Law in Support of Defendant's Motion for a Statement of Particulars Providing Notice of Aggravating Circumstances
11/25/2009 Other Table of Exhibits in Support of Defendant's Motion for a Statement of Particulars Providing Notice of Aggravating Factors

11/25/2009 Objection Written Objection to the Standard Jury Instruction on Reasonable Doubt
11/25/2009 Memorandum of Law in Support of Defendant's Objection to the Standard Jury Instruction on Reasonable Doubt
11/25/2009 Other Table of Exhibits for Defendant's Written Objection to the Standard Jury Instruction on Reasonable Doubt

11/25/2009 Motion to Declare 921.141(5)(M) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied (Victim Vulnerable Due to Age, Disability, or Familial or Custodial Authority)
11/25/2009 Memorandum of Law in Support of Motion to Declare 921.141(5)(M) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied (Victim Vulnerable Due to Age, Disability, or Familial or Custodial Authority)

11/25/2009 Motion to Declare 921.141 Florida Statutes Unconstitutional Because it Improperly Shifts Burdens of Proof to the Defendant, Thereby Creating a Presumption of Death

11/25/2009 Motion to Prohibit any Reference to the Jury's Role at the Penalty Phase Being 'Advisory' or to the Jury's Penalty Verdict as Being a 'Recommendation'
11/25/2009 Memorandum of Law in Support of Defendant's Motion to Prohibit any Reference to the Jury's Role at the Penalty Phase as Being 'Advisory' or to the Jury's Penalty Verdict as Being a 'Recommendation'
11/25/2009 Exhibit(s) in Support of Motion to Prohibit any Reference to the Jury's Role at the Penalty Phase Being 'Advisory' or to the Jury's Penalty Verdict as Being a 'Recommendation'

11/25/2009 Motion to Declare Florida Statute 921.141 Unconstitutional Due to its Failure to Narrow the Scope of the Death Penalty
11/25/2009 Memorandum of Law in Support of Motion to Declare Florida Statute 921.141 Unconstitutional Due to its Failure to Narrow the Scope of the Death Penalty

11/25/2009 Motion for Jury Instructions Correctly Defining "Premeditation"
11/25/2009 Memorandum Accompanying Motion for Jury Instructions Correctly Defining "Premeditation"

[kakax]

Good question. IIRC, macaluso came aboard to do an "accident reconstruction" I wonder how that nonsense is going to play with this new and exciting theory that Roy Krunk murdered Caylee????

I am so looking forward to seeing how this desperate defense team ties all this nonsense together, it's really going to be something else.

IMO


Kronk is an important witness for the defense to discredit. He is the only one who saw Caylee's remains months before she was found. I just don't think they will be able to bring the ex-wives in to the case. It really is reaching, IMO.

Charges were dropped against Kronk. All the State would have to do is say Mr. Kronk, were you ever convicted of doing any harm to your ex? No, charges were dropped and I was never indicted because there was no evidence.

I don't understand how the defense thinks they are going to get this in by claiming it would show a crime that was similar to Caylee's murderer. A daughter saying that he walked in on her a few times or took pictures of her with animals isn't going to pass the test. Duct taping an ex even is not a crime against a child. And he was never convicted of any wrong doing.

Much ado about nothing, IMO.

[SandyO]

Good question. IIRC, macaluso came aboard to do an "accident reconstruction" I wonder how that nonsense is going to play with this new and exciting theory that Roy Krunk murdered Caylee????

I am so looking forward to seeing how this desperate defense team ties all this nonsense together, it's really going to be something else.

IMO

I'm with you looking forward to seeing how the defense is going to pull all this together! It's going to be fascinating, and it will have to be brilliant to make any sense at this point. It was pointed out to me to remember that almost anything can be proposed in opening statements at the trial, even if there's nothing more to back it up in the body of the proceedings, so I guess that's where we're going to hear the most outrageous ideas re Casey's innocence proposed.

[BettyC]

Take this link as not being a news source but it does have the aggravating factors that could go towards a sentence of death in this case...

http://www.realitychatter.com/caylee-anthony-f14/let-s-discuss-the-death-penalty-in-casey-anthony-case-t1532.htm?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Thanks for that link kakax. More reading !!! Oh well, it will hold me until the next hearing or motion if they're published on Monday.

[kakax]

Valhall has a follow up to her rainfall analysis that looks at whether or not Caylee's remains would have been submerged when Kronk first saw them...

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=817

[Scampi]

I'm with you looking forward to seeing how the defense is going to pull all this together! It's going to be fascinating, and it will have to be brilliant to make any sense at this point. It was pointed out to me to remember that almost anything can be proposed in opening statements at the trial, even if there's nothing more to back it up in the body of the proceedings, so I guess that's where we're going to hear the most outrageous ideas re Casey's innocence proposed.

Yep, that's why it's called "opening statements" and not opening arguments. I'm sure everything and the kitchen sink will be thown in, but imo that is very dangerous to do and then not have the facts to back up what you said during the actual trial. Just ask mark geragos and scott peterson about that............ :lol:

[Spots]

Judge Strickland has the experience and knowledge to handle not only the inexperience of Baez, but the on a mission "want-to-be actress" Lyon. And, then we have LKB, and Macaluso. Anyone hear if Macaluso is still dealing with those "bad checks" that he wrote?

Macaluso was entered in the CA State Bar Court's "Alternative Discipline Program."

Todd Macaluso (http://apps.statebarcourt.ca.gov/dockets/dockets.aspx)

From what I can find, it seems to be something like Driver's Ed for those with bad driving records.

[Sun]

Macaluso was entered in the CA State Bar Court's "Alternative Discipline Program."

Todd Macaluso (http://apps.statebarcourt.ca.gov/dockets/dockets.aspx)

From what I can find, it seems to be something like Driver's Ed for those with bad driving records.

Oh geesh! Sure hope that Casey isn't expecting Macaluso to get Casey off on her criminal check/fraud charges.

[Sun]

It's been a while since I read this. Shows a part of the background of the attorney Casey chose to represent her. Writing bad checks is also in Baez's past.

http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/decisions/pre2004/ops/sc95855.pdf

[Dunlurken]

Valhall has a follow up to her rainfall analysis that looks at whether or not Caylee's remains would have been submerged when Kronk first saw them...

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=817

Interesting blog. JMO.

[adair]

Good Morning Everyone

After reading the HinkyMeter....I am wondering if the defense plans to call Cain to testify that he did not see Caylee's remains when Kronk called him.........

tia

[Dunlurken]

Good Morning Everyone

After reading the HinkyMeter....I am wondering if the defense plans to call Cain to testify that he did not see Caylee's remains when Kronk called him.........

tia

Good to see you. My dates are getting all screwed up at this point. Can someone refresh my memory who Cain is. The first LE officer called back in September? Who refused to wade through the water or go back into the woods to see what Kronk was talking about? JMO.

[adair]

Good to see you. My dates are getting all screwed up at this point. Can someone refresh my memory who Cain is. The first LE officer called back in September? Who refused to wade through the water or go back into the woods to see what Kronk was talking about? JMO.


Hey Dunnie

Yeah Cain is the deputy that got fired....

[pixiejoolz]

Kronk is an important witness for the defense to discredit. He is the only one who saw Caylee's remains months before she was found. I just don't think they will be able to bring the ex-wives in to the case. It really is reaching, IMO.

Charges were dropped against Kronk. All the State would have to do is say Mr. Kronk, were you ever convicted of doing any harm to your ex? No, charges were dropped and I was never indicted because there was no evidence.

I don't understand how the defense thinks they are going to get this in by claiming it would show a crime that was similar to Caylee's murderer. A daughter saying that he walked in on her a few times or took pictures of her with animals isn't going to pass the test. Duct taping an ex even is not a crime against a child. And he was never convicted of any wrong doing.

Much ado about nothing, IMO.

ITA kakax!

As far as I can see, trying to smear Kronk isn't going to fly at all, because all the prosecution has to do is remind the jury that Casey claimed right from the beginning (well, right after the initial 31 days of non-reporting) that invisi-nanny took Caylee. If the defense is dumb enough to try to link Kronk to a person who doesn't exist, they are just going to look ridiculous, and even worse, like they think the jurors are stupid. Good luck with that, Baez, LKB, Lyon et al. :sneaky:

[Kathlb]

Yep, that's why it's called "opening statements" and not opening arguments. I'm sure everything and the kitchen sink will be thown in, but imo that is very dangerous to do and then not have the facts to back up what you said during the actual trial. Just ask mark geragos and scott peterson about that............ :lol:

I agree Scamp...but since the Defense can't discuss anything that they aren't going to have evidence for, I think they can't list Kronk if he won't be used and his wives and that younger girl if they won't be used in court. And so I don't think it's coming in. I think they are doing it now to taint the jury pool. And it seems to be having the opposite effect. People are up in arms concerning them trying to ruin Kronk's life and anything from AL that she can't offer evidence of. I could be wrong, but it happened in the Spector case and since the prosecution wasn't going to mention it, then the defense couldn't either, in opening statements, the trial or closing statements. MOO

[adair]

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_timeline2008June.htm

From the time line at acr.......

Osco is questioning kc about ZFG.....and how kc tried to get in touch with zfg.....

I am just going to cut and paste this...the lies are just so unbelievable...

(Casey Anthony INTERVIEW 07/16/08 0411hrs Pg10, Line 7): (Q) Have you talked to anyone about Caylee, about your incident with Caylee? Or the fact that... (A) Outside of... (Q) ...she's missing? (A) ...a couple of people, a couple of mutual friends. (Q) Who did you talk to about it? (A) Um, I talked to Jeff, Jeffrey Hopkins. (Q) Uh-huh. (Affirmative) (A) I also attempted to contact Zenaida's mother and never received a call back from her. (Q) Do you know Zenaida's mother's name? (A) Um, wow..and um, I think it's Gloria. (Q) Do you know a telephone for Zenaida's mom? (A) I do not, no.


~~~She says she never received a call back, then says she does not have her mother....Wouldnt you have to call her first to get a call back??

[Scampi]

Good Morning Everyone

After reading the HinkyMeter....I am wondering if the defense plans to call Cain to testify that he did not see Caylee's remains when Kronk called him.........

tia

I have always been concerned about Cain holding a grudge against the OCSD for firing him and testifying positively for the defense. I hope he doesn't do that because the truth is he failed to investigate properly.

I can't recall, but I hope LE has him on record as describing water in the area where little Caylee was found.

[pixiejoolz]

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_timeline2008June.htm

From the time line at acr.......

Osco is questioning kc about ZFG.....and how kc tried to get in touch with zfg.....

I am just going to cut and paste this...the lies are just so unbelievable...

(Casey Anthony INTERVIEW 07/16/08 0411hrs Pg10, Line 7): (Q) Have you talked to anyone about Caylee, about your incident with Caylee? Or the fact that... (A) Outside of... (Q) ...she's missing? (A) ...a couple of people, a couple of mutual friends. (Q) Who did you talk to about it? (A) Um, I talked to Jeff, Jeffrey Hopkins. (Q) Uh-huh. (Affirmative) (A) I also attempted to contact Zenaida's mother and never received a call back from her. (Q) Do you know Zenaida's mother's name? (A) Um, wow..and um, I think it's Gloria. (Q) Do you know a telephone for Zenaida's mom? (A) I do not, no.


~~~She says she never received a call back, then says she does not have her mother....Wouldnt you have to call her first to get a call back??

Are you actually trying to apply logic to Casey's blabbage? That's a HUGE WASTE. :w00t: jmo

[SandyO]

Are you actually trying to apply logic to Casey's blabbage? That's a HUGE WASTE. :w00t: jmo

But it never fails to absolutely AMAZE me every time I read it or hear it ---- the way the lies just tumbled out of her mouth.............

[adair]

Are you actually trying to apply logic to Casey's blabbage? That's a HUGE WASTE. :w00t: jmo



I know its a huge waste........but she tells one lie after another and expects LE to say, oh well Ms Anthony, i am so sorry your daughter is missing, you did a really good job trying to find her. Now, you just go on back to your job and lets hope the nanny turns Caylee in when she is tired of caring for her.......

I do not think that kc realized, and probably still does not how messed up she is.......this whole thing is....

jmo