The President's job approval. [Archive] - In Session Message Boards

theal3

10-08-2009, 12:23 AM

56%. Up from 50% in Spt.

http://news.aol.com/article/president-barack-obamas-job-approval/581625?icid=main|htmlws-main|dl3|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fnews.aol.com%2Farticle %2Fpresident-barack-obamas-job-approval%2F581625

Well, it just goes to show that most American's aren't buying all the "carp" put in in Aug./Sept by the noisemaking, anti-everything crowd. I feel they are paying attention and really listening to what the Health Plan is all about and ignoring the minority types with their negativity, conspiracy theories....

No doubt we've been in a mess for a very long time, even before the crash last year, but there ARE signs the bleeding is stopping in some areas and slowing down in other and picking up in some, but no one, even the Pres. ever promised a quick fix. Some are too quick to judge and rooting for failure, and IMHO that is anti-American and unpatriotic.

Roux

10-08-2009, 10:04 AM

You think a poll of 1003 individuals reveals what "most Americans" aren't buying?

Since I didn't get polled, I voted at the aol link. On the first two categories, overall job performance and healthcare, the disapproval ratings reflect 68% with over 329,00 votes, and 73% with over 326,00 votes respectively.

theal3

10-10-2009, 12:20 AM

I don't pay much attention to polls, cause i don't know who they're asking. For me, i think he's doing a wonderful job and I don't care what anyone else says or thinks. He's in there now, they have to deal with it.

I'm with you but when a polls shows he gone up, the other side says who cares etc and bash the poll, but if he goes down, they gloat.

They're against this Pres. no matter what: I read somewhere today the M.Moore wrote the president congratulating him on the Nobel Prize, and said something to effect of: you can't catch a break with the other side, even if you discovered a cure for cancer and gave it away free to everyone, they'd complain that you're actions would shut down cancer care centers and research and hurt business and throw a lot of people out of work and would be interfering with the free market system.

I had to chuckle, as I think Moore is right on, on that take. IMHO

LisaM22

10-10-2009, 10:48 AM

Since I didn't get polled, I voted at the aol link. On the first two categories, overall job performance and healthcare, the disapproval ratings reflect 68% with over 329,00 votes, and 73% with over 326,00 votes respectively.

lol, the aol poll said McCain and Palin would win by a landslide too

ninetoes

11-20-2009, 07:08 PM

"Obama approval dips below 50"

"President Barack Obama’s approval ratings have dipped below 50 percent for the first time in one prominent poll amid a raft of bad news about the economy and continuing job losses.

The nation’s economic woes pushed Obama down to a 49 percent approval rating in the respected Gallup daily tracking poll out Friday. Gallup said Obama's approval rating had been holding in the low 50s since September but hasn’t dropped below 50 percent until now."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29775.html

Mahalo

11-20-2009, 07:23 PM

Mahalo

11-20-2009, 07:46 PM

After watching the APs biased attack on Palin I would take nothing coming from them as the truth.

AFTER WATCHING fox display false videos about palin's book release, I'd say the rw hasn't changed thier lying ways at all!

ninetoes

11-20-2009, 07:51 PM

After watching the APs biased attack on Palin I would take nothing coming from them as the truth.

Todays poll wasnt an AOL poll, it was a Gallup poll...the one that has been touted by Dems as being THE only reliable poll.

Mahalo

11-20-2009, 08:01 PM

Todays poll wasnt an AOL poll, it was a Gallup poll...the one that has been touted by Dems as being THE only reliable poll.

LOL, Gallup is reliable??? On what Planet???

Susan43

11-20-2009, 09:41 PM

Todays poll wasnt an AOL poll, it was a Gallup poll...the one that has been touted by Dems as being THE only reliable poll.

:confused: What Dems?

ninetoes

11-20-2009, 09:48 PM

:confused: What Dems?

There used to be an entire thread for daily polls of the President. If we posted any poll by Rasmussen Reports, we were told by MANY of the Dems here that the only polls that counted were the Gallup polls.

Susan43

11-20-2009, 10:05 PM

There used to be an entire thread for daily polls of the President. If we posted any poll by Rasmussen Reports, we were told by MANY of the Dems here that the only polls that counted were the Gallup polls.

If you had some Dems I wouldn't have spoken up. But I do think that Gallup is pretty reliable and I wouldn't be surprised if his approvals went down a point. But so far it is the only pollster that has him going down.

Naturally as a Dem I like the AP poll better. But since they are so different I'm just going to brush them both off and wait for next week.

Frankly, I haven't been watching any polls lately.

ninetoes

11-20-2009, 10:17 PM

If you had some Dems I wouldn't have spoken up. But I do think that Gallup is pretty reliable and I wouldn't be surprised if his approvals went down a point. But so far it is the only pollster that has him going down.

Naturally as a Dem I like the AP poll better. But since they are so different I'm just going to brush them both off and wait for next week.

Frankly, I haven't been watching any polls lately.

The original poll on this thread was from October. I just put todays poll here to avoid starting a new thread.

Susan43

11-20-2009, 11:57 PM

The original poll on this thread was from October. I just put todays poll here to avoid starting a new thread.

:lol: See? That's how close I've been watching the polls.

PosterGuy

11-25-2009, 07:29 PM

What is your opinion?

SavannahStar

11-25-2009, 09:02 PM

Obama rocks. :thumbsup::patriot:

Peeps

11-25-2009, 09:05 PM

I think he's done a great job so far and I support him 100%:patriot:

WillowInFlight

11-25-2009, 10:20 PM

Obama rocks. :thumbsup::patriot:

Sure does!! :patriot:

Susan43

11-25-2009, 11:14 PM

We all pretty much know what the President faced when he walked into the Oval Office.

I have come to believe that the President puts a lot of forethought into his decisions and I for one am proud to say that I support him. JMO

I couldn't agee more. It must have been a terrible shock when he was finally inaugurated 11 months ago and realized the mess he was facing. No one could have been prepared for that.

MiamiNice1

11-25-2009, 11:55 PM

LisaM22

11-26-2009, 12:50 AM

*Onmyknervz*

11-26-2009, 01:21 AM

Obama... he's still awesome!

Mayasmimi

11-26-2009, 01:32 AM

MiamiNice1

11-26-2009, 01:42 AM

They sure do. It is good to see by the polls that people aren't buying the "style over substance" schtick any longer.

Now he's talking about about deficit reduction - can it get funnier than that?
No. Where is he getting this stuff?!

I also agree about the "style over substance" thankfully not being accepted any longer - when it comes to producing........well.......still waiting.

imo

MiamiNice1

11-26-2009, 01:43 AM

:thumbup:

Just saying. One more year.
Hanging in there! :thumbup:

LisaM22

11-26-2009, 01:47 AM

No. Where is he getting this stuff?!

I also agree about the "style over substance" thankfully not being accepted any longer - when it comes to producing........well.......still waiting.

imo
that is why bush is out and Obama is in......

I just wish republicans could of at least handed us the country in the condition they got it in, republicans were not even headed in the right direction

we had 8 years of shock and awe al right

MiamiNice1

11-26-2009, 02:39 AM

Hurrah for Poster Guy and his polls! :thumbsup:

PosterGuy

11-26-2009, 05:32 AM

that is why bush is out and Obama is in......

I just wish republicans could of at least handed us the country in the condition they got it in, republicans were not even headed in the right direction

we had 8 years of shock and awe al right

Bush is actually "out" because of of constitutional reasons.....

PosterGuy

11-26-2009, 05:34 AM

LOL yep. Verrry predictable. And obsessive.

:laugh:

This must be away to try and silence men, and keep from exposing the fact that he is not as popular as you wantnk.:rolleyes: IMO.

BoredMember

11-26-2009, 06:12 AM

This must be away to try and silence men, and keep from exposing the fact that he is not as popular as you wantnk.:rolleyes: IMO.

No one wants to silence men. This has nothing to do with gender.

And it doesn't seem that popularity is an issue either. I for one couldn't care less where he comes in on the polls, providing he he keeps on with his efforts to bring America back. I don' t think anyone cares if he is popular or not. That is just kind of silly.

PosterGuy

11-26-2009, 07:31 AM

No one wants to silence men. This has nothing to do with gender.

And it doesn't seem that popularity is an issue either. I for one couldn't care less where he comes in on the polls, providing he he keeps on with his efforts to bring America back. I don' t think anyone cares if he is popular or not. That is just kind of silly.

Should have been "me."

PosterGuy

11-26-2009, 07:32 AM

:laugh:

This must be away to try and silence men, and keep from exposing the fact that he is not as popular as you wantnk.:rolleyes: IMO.

This must be away to try and silence me, and keep from exposing the fact that he is not as popular as you want us think.

BoredMember

11-26-2009, 07:52 AM

This must be away to try and silence me, and keep from exposing the fact that he is not as popular as you want us think.

But that makes even less sense! Why would anyone want to silence you? No offense, but how exactly do you matter?

And again, who cares about popularity? I think most of us move past that in middle school.

grammie/va

11-26-2009, 08:12 AM

My opinion is give him more than 10 months to solve the problems he faces.

It has taken years and years to dig us in this deep... He didn't get us where we are.

He said it will not be an easy or a quick fix. I agree.

MOO

I agree! At least give O a chance and it can not be done overnight or in a year. Positive attitude can do alot of people.

crocdog1

11-26-2009, 10:01 AM

The results above seem to say many feel otherwise! :blush:

eta - If he didn't know what he was walking into and it was SUCH a "shock" - after campaigning two years for the job and after the mess made by the Democratic Congress (in the majority) for the two years he was campaigning - then he has no business being there in the first place.

imo

You are correct when you say the Democratic Congress was in the majority for two of the eight years of Republican rule.

What you didn't mention that the Republicans plunged us into two, REPEAT TWO, wars without any thought of how we were going to pay for them. Just a bunch of fiscal Conversatism bull baloney.

What you also failed to mention that the unjust war with Iraq is costing us more than the estimated cost of Obama's Health Care Plan for ten years.

You also didn't mention that the reason there is such slow progress with Obama's agenda is that the Party of NO (PON) wants Obama to fail, even if IMO, it means we have 25, 30 or even 50% unemployment of the American People.

Just My Humble Opinion On This Subject

crocdog1

11-26-2009, 10:08 AM

Bush is actually "out" because of of constitutional reasons.....

Same goes for the rest of the Republican Party.

They are out because of a landslide of "Constitutional reasons."

Mimi428

11-26-2009, 10:11 AM

You also didn't mention that the reason there is such slow progress with Obama's agenda is that the Party of NO (PON) wants Obama to fail, even if IMO, it means we have 25, 30 or even 50% unemployment of the American People.

Just My Humble Opinion On This Subject

<snipped>

Hear, hear.

I believe if the country had fewer people opposing the POTUS on absolutely everything - simply for the sake of it, we would be further along in getting outselves dug out of the abyss that was created for us by GWB & his cronies. There are times when I am simply aghast to recognize the acrimony & the willingness to make the country suffer, just for the sake of opposing Obama.

JMO

imation

11-26-2009, 10:40 AM

there is one thing consistent about the weekend/holiday forums.
There will always be a poll on President Obama's job approval, you can count on it. I've never seen so many polls posted for one president, and by the same person.

The only thing more predictable than the poll are the people whining about the poll while voting on it and bumping the thread up. :lol:

Mel

11-26-2009, 10:41 AM

Pashie

11-26-2009, 10:44 AM

The only thing more predictable than the poll are the people whining about the poll while voting on it and bumping the thread up. :lol:
And don't forget the predictable trolls who show up to make a smart alec comment!

Obama - :thumbsup:

imation

11-26-2009, 10:46 AM

And don't forget the predictable trolls who show up to make a smart alec comment!

Obama - :thumbsup:

You shouldn't be so hard on yourself. It is Thanksgiving, you know.

jammies

11-26-2009, 10:55 AM

Patriot

11-26-2009, 11:05 AM

<snipped>

Hear, hear.

I believe if the country had fewer people opposing the POTUS on absolutely everything - simply for the sake of it, we would be further along in getting outselves dug out of the abyss that was created for us by GWB & his cronies. There are times when I am simply aghast to recognize the acrimony & the willingness to make the country suffer, just for the sake of opposing Obama.

JMO

That is exactly how I felt when Bush was in office and so many were opposing him on absolutely everything, because they hated him.

So, if Obama fails, or at the least can not accomplish all that he has promised, it's the people's fault. But Bush was a failure (according to some) and that wasn't the people's fault, that was his fault? When it's Bush, it's the policies, not the people. When it's Obama, it's the people, not the policies. Interesting.

I don't think there is any difference. The table has just turned is all.

Mimi428

11-26-2009, 11:34 AM

That is exactly how I felt when Bush was in office and so many were opposing him on absolutely everything, because they hated him.

So, if Obama fails, or at the least can not accomplish all that he has promised, it's the people's fault. But Bush was a failure (according to some) and that wasn't the people's fault, that was his fault? When it's Bush, it's the policies, not the people. When it's Obama, it's the people, not the policies. Interesting.

I don't think there is any difference. The table has just turned is all.

At the one-year mark into his first term, GWB was receiving darn near carte blanche on a whole lot of things. If saner minds had prevailed I think we would have heard some bona fide opposition when the serious talks about invading Iraq began. But noooooo. Couldn't say a word against his plans. Wouldn't be patriotic.

I didn't vote for GWB for Governor. I didn't vote for GWB for POTUS. But I was willing to give him a chance once he was declared the winner. My country is important enough to me that I was willing to put aside my personal feelings about him in the hope that we would, as a country, prosper.

I have not seen that level of willingness directed to Obama. I sure as heck didn't see a group of Dems writing up bizarre demands for declaring GWB as something akin to the anti-Christ less than one year into his term. And from everything I have read, the number of credible threats to GWB that needed to be investigated never reached the level that it has been for Obama.

Tell me you oppose the POTUS on policy issues, discuss it like an adult, outline your points & that is fine, well & good, as far as I am concerned. But we aren't getting much of that, it seems. What we are getting is the message that folks oppose him simply because they oppose him. That isn't sane, mature, reasonable or productive. It's blind, irrational, juvenile & counterproductive more often than not, IMNVHO.

syringa

11-26-2009, 12:18 PM

If Obama didn't realized the problems of the country, he was ill prepared to be president, but the blame Bush days are over, it's Obama's problems now. His failures are attributable only to himself, even the easily led groupies are now questioning their misguided vote for Obama, they cast their vote for all the wrong reasons. Even scarier is Obama still seems to have no clue as to fixing any of the problems other than testing the political winds before making any decisions.

I don't expect all the problems to be solved within 10 months, but I sure do expect Obama to at least start looking at things from the right direction by now. He has been leading things further away from recovery and the Constitution all the time.

Right now, I would be happy if he didn't make things worse - I don't foresee him making things any better.

Hannibal

11-26-2009, 12:42 PM

healthcare should have waited..climate change should have waited..the stimulus should have been better targetted...

The economic recovery should have been the focus....

Independents are so fickle....I am afraid they'll vote some repub right back in because Obama can't fix the problems repubs had more than 2 terms to create/cause...

The economy has to be turned around and jobs created..real jobs and not make work jobs...and with a global economy where things can be build cheaper in some 3rd world country I wonder where the jobs can come from..and no I don't believe in those green jobs...
While theoretically feasible we lack the proper level of technology to create any sizeable number of those...or for them to really matter imo...

I think China's problems/faulty construction materials like the drywall...and other contaminated products they are making and sending here to us...stuff they make on the cheap than in some cases are dangerous goods...They need to suffer an economic penalty for that...

I don't know where the new jobs are coming from.Small business should receive help..but I don't have faith in them as a lot of their rhetoric panders to a conservative cause ..I don't feel they have the wherewithall to create a lot of new jobs even with tax cuts or other federal benefits given to them to assist them.

When the stimulus money dries up there will be more layoffs as the stimulus money helped a lot of states put off lying off staff...so the unemployment rate will go up some more before this is all over...

I don't see a solution to the problem..and I expect repubs and conservatives to blame Obama and the dems for all of them although the repubs are largely, imo......responsible for this and I expect they will be able to take advantage of the situation...

:cursing::angry:

beattherap

11-26-2009, 01:17 PM

Hi Boseedless .... Happy Thanksgiving !!

I think it's going to be a long time before the "blame Bush days are over" ((I don't see how we can forget them)). I DO agree with you though .... these are President Obama's problems now. You must be one of those who expects the disastrous mistakes of the last 8 years, to be all fixed in months. I just think that's a little unrealistic.

jmo
i don't think many people expected the economy to be fixed in months... i think many did expect it to be better than it is, largely because obama and the white house told us it would be... bush isn't responsible for the failure of obama's policies to get us where he, obama, said it would.

imo.

Mimi428

11-26-2009, 01:18 PM

BBM
Great point to make, Mimi ....

jmo

Thanks! I don't know what we can do other than try, as individuals, to maintain rational, mature discussions. It really saddens me some days to peruse the threads & see the depths to which a few people will stoop. I always hope that people care enough about some of these serious issues to at least WANT to have a fair exchange of ideas & opinions.

crocdog1

11-26-2009, 01:58 PM

Who are these religous fanatics and what are their crimes, what drives the far left, hatred, arrogance?

These extreme Right Wing fanatics are the religious folks who, with their neo-conservative brethern-in-arms make up the BASE of the GOP.

Although they are in the minority (some 25-30 million or so), the are very well organized and control the GOP. IMO, in example of their power is that they forced McCain to pick a VP that was not his first choice.

These Right Wing fundamentalists seek to force their faith based social and religious agenda on the American People.

While I don't consider what they do as a "crime," I am deeply disturbed that they want to force their extreme Religious and faith based Social agenda on the American People.

They consider those of us that don't agree with their faith based values and convictions to be godless. An example is Elizabeth Dole.

http://www.indyweek.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A267990

Just My Humble Opinion

PosterGuy

11-26-2009, 03:05 PM

These extreme Right Wing fanatics are the religious folks who, with their neo-conservative brethern-in-arms make up the BASE of the GOP.

Although they are in the minority (some 25-30 million or so), the are very well organized and control the GOP. IMO, in example of their power is that they forced McCain to pick a VP that was not his first choice.

These Right Wing fundamentalists seek to force their faith based social and religious agenda on the American People.

While I don't consider what they do as a "crime," I am deeply disturbed that they want to force their extreme Religious and faith based Social agenda on the American People.

They consider those of us that don't agree with their faith based values and convictions to be godless. An example is Elizabeth Dole.

http://www.indyweek.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A267990

Just My Humble Opinion

IMO, you and the rest of the left should concern yourselves with Muslim fanatics, who actually kill people. This constant carping about phantom right wingers, shows that you all have some major issues prioritizing. IMO.

Dunlurken

11-26-2009, 03:18 PM

Obama is doing a pretty damm good job, considering what he inherited from the Republicans aka George W. Bush. Bout time people woke up and smelled the coffee which is why we now have a democratic President. McCain and Palin? What could get funnier than that. JMO.

Mimi428

11-26-2009, 03:20 PM

IMO, you and the rest of the left should concern yourselves with Muslim fanatics, who actually kill people. This constant carping about phantom right wingers, shows that you all have some major issues prioritizing. IMO.

I can't speak for crocdog or the "rest of the left", but I believe it is possible to be concerned about both & to address both.

I sure hope you aren't suggesting that there are actually no hard-hard right Republicans who meet the definition as put out by crocdog, because the evidence has been around for many years that there are people like that. They do exist, they do promote a desire to live in a theocracy, where the only "real Americans" are Americans who share their specific, fundamentalist beliefs.

I know with certainty that not every Republican is like that, but I do believe there are enough people like that in the Republican party that it is threatening to be the near-ruination of the GOP.

And I don't think it is impossible to be concerned & to address those domestic radicals while at the same time expecting our administration to be concerned & to address those you refer to as 'Muslem fanatics'.

JMO

PosterGuy

11-26-2009, 03:38 PM

I can't speak for crocdog or the "rest of the left", but I believe it is possible to be concerned about both & to address both.

I sure hope you aren't suggesting that there are actually no hard-hard right Republicans who meet the definition as put out by crocdog, because the evidence has been around for many years that there are people like that. They do exist, they do promote a desire to live in a theocracy, where the only "real Americans" are Americans who share their specific, fundamentalist beliefs.

I know with certainty that not every Republican is like that, but I do believe there are enough people like that in the Republican party that it is threatening to be the near-ruination of the GOP.

And I don't think it is impossible to be concerned & to address those domestic radicals while at the same time expecting our administration to be concerned & to address those you refer to as 'Muslem fanatics'.

JMO

The fact the you all sling around the term "right wing fanatics" so casually, yet you fealt the need to put the term Muslim fanatics in quotations, proves my point.

Dunlurken

11-26-2009, 03:41 PM

Who cares? Muslim, non-Muslim. Catholic, Jewish, Black, White, Athiast, Christian, non-Christian. None of that matters. What matters is what's best for this country, and the republicans aren't. JMO.

Susan43

11-26-2009, 03:42 PM

What were the "disastrous mistakes of the last 8 years" and who made them?

Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.

While I supported Bush 100% when he invaded Afghanistan I was equally as much against invading Iraq. The Bush administration lied to get us into that war and it's been a disaster. AND while he was concentrating on Iraq he was ignoring Afghanistan.

For the first time in history our country cut taxes during war time. This probably made some people very happy but it sure messed up the economy. Are you aware he doubled the national debt? And what do we have to show for it? Honestly? Can you name something we can point to the would account for all that money?

He passed the medicare prescription bill and threatened to veto it if congress put in negotiations with the drug companies. Can you imagine? I think of everything he did this one really annoyed me the most. He also vetoed SCHIP, a bill that would make sure kids got medical care.

His administration was the first in history that made torture a part of their philosophy. From George Washington to Clinton we supported human rights even for the most venal among us. IMO this is just disgaceful. I want to think we are a country of laws and I've believed we with were or could be the "shining city on the hill." I want our country back from people that would torture innocent people, and how do we know if someone is guilty of anything until a trial?

These were the big ones in my opinion. There is more, plenty more, but these are huge to me.

And while some of you folks whine about bows and other petty things I see a man that is doing the best he can to turn things around.

PosterGuy

11-26-2009, 03:47 PM

Who cares? Muslim, non-Muslim. Catholic, Jewish, Black, White, Athiast, Christian, non-Christian. None of that matters. What matters is what's best for this country, and the republicans aren't. JMO.

LisaM22 cares.

Post #9.

You know I :wub: you Dunnie.

Mimi428

11-26-2009, 03:56 PM

The fact the you all sling around the term "right wing fanatics" so casually, yet you fealt the need to put the term Muslim fanatics in quotations, proves my point.

The only point you have made so far is that you are completely offbase & apparently addressing me in error. I did not write "right wing fanatics". Perhaps you have me confused with someone else.

Dunlurken

11-26-2009, 03:58 PM

StarShine

11-26-2009, 04:11 PM

Neither are the democrats.
Until people get out of their party line boxes, nothing will ever change.
R's, D's, there is no difference. All crooks looking to line their own pockets, what's best for the country matters not.

Bravo!! You are absolutely positively right. :thumbsup:

PosterGuy

11-26-2009, 04:15 PM

The only point you have made so far is that you are completely offbase & apparently addressing me in error. I did not write "right wing fanatics". Perhaps you have me confused with someone else.

I am off base about nothing. Left wingers constantly slinging around the term "right wing fanatic," as seen on this thread.

YOU thought it was necessary to put the term Muslim fanatic, in quotations.

This proves MY point that left wingers have have issues prioritizing.

IMO.

Susan43

11-26-2009, 04:20 PM

The President's job approval rating is not the point. The point is those that we elect our representatives into Congress (which includes the House and the Senate). If people want to cry and moan about what happens in this country, then get out and vote every time there is an election in your State, not just during a Presidential Election. The people spoke, as a nation as a whole. A Democrat is in office. His hands are probably tied at this point, so he has a hard road ahead of him. I wish him Godspeed! JMO. And I think he call help pull us up by our boot straps and take us out of this mess.

If anyone thinks we aren't in a depression like the one that was experienced during the 30s, think again (we are headed there). Rhetoric and propaganda doesn't work for an intelligent individual.
JMO.

No, we aren't actually in a depression and I think with the steps that government has taken we probably won't go there. Unemployment in 1932 was 23% and then rose again the next year after FDR was inaugurated. Here's a great timeline that will help you count our blessings.

http://www.hyperhistory.com/online_n2/connections_n2/great_depression.html

Dunlurken

11-26-2009, 04:33 PM

No, we aren't actually in a depression and I think with the steps that government has taken we probably won't go there. Unemployment in 1932 was 23% and then rose again the next year after FDR was inaugurated. Here's a great timeline that will help you count our blessings.

http://www.hyperhistory.com/online_n2/connections_n2/great_depression.html
I said we're heading there. Hopefully, the current President can keep us out of one. Bottom line, Congress is to blame, not the President. JMO.

How long has it been since we had a Democratic majority in Congress? How long did it last? Not very long IIRC. Clinton fought tooth and nail against the Congress. He made some headway, but not much. REAGANOMICS...... MY BUTT! That meant the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer. JMO.

Susan43

11-26-2009, 05:05 PM

I said we're heading there. Hopefully, the current President can keep us out of one. Bottom line, Congress is to blame, not the President. JMO.

How long has it been since we had a Democratic majority in Congress? How long did it last? Not very long IIRC. Clinton fought tooth and nail against the Congress. He made some headway, but not much. REAGANOMICS...... MY BUTT! That meant the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer. JMO.

We certainly did get the lesson that "trickle down" doesn't work didn't we? And we have the figures from the last administration that tax cuts don't automatically create jobs. In fact Clinton and Reagan both raised taxes at one point and both oversaw robust economies.

IMO this chart says it all.

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/

It has become a RW myth that cutting taxes helps create jobs but when we look at the real numbers they don't show that at all.

kakax

11-26-2009, 05:12 PM

IMO, you and the rest of the left should concern yourselves with Muslim fanatics, who actually kill people. This constant carping about phantom right wingers, shows that you all have some major issues prioritizing. IMO.

I agree. A poster on the thread about the White House State Dinner "crashers" said that at least Rush, birthers (I assume people who are pro-life), Beck and Fox weren't the ones who crashed the dinner because they are out to harm Obama.

GMAB!

I am so tired for being villanized because I don't agree with Obama's policies. If you don't agree, you must be evil, racist, less than human.

And for the posters out there who say GWB had it much easier with getting his policies through Washington...you remember history much differently than I do.

The first GWB administration was plagued with Dems that didn't believe he had been elected President.

kakax

11-26-2009, 05:15 PM

We certainly did get the lesson that "trickle down" doesn't work didn't we? And we have the figures from the last administration that tax cuts don't automatically create jobs. In fact Clinton and Reagan both raised taxes at one point and both oversaw robust economies.

IMO this chart says it all.

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/

It has become a RW myth that cutting taxes helps create jobs but when we look at the real numbers they don't show that at all.

Well then, by all means....let's raise taxes on small business like my own that actually employ over 100 people. You don't think we will have to lay off MORE workers than we already have if we can't afford to keep them on?

Raise them on us, the people who are employing others...I assure you it won't get better.

Dunlurken

11-26-2009, 05:19 PM

Can we all say hanging chads? Jeb Bush? Florida? Missing Ballot boxes? Sometimes I wonder if I'm living in Afghanistan or America. On that note. Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!

StarShine

11-26-2009, 05:27 PM

Can we all say hanging chads? Jeb Bush? Florida? Missing Ballot boxes? Sometimes I wonder if I'm living in Afghanistan or America. On that note. Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!

Don't forget Acorn. The Chicago Machine, transporting drunks, mentally unstable and homeless people to vote by buying them off with cigarettes. etc. etc. Have a Happy.

Hannibal

11-26-2009, 05:34 PM

I agree. A poster on the thread about the White House State Dinner "crashers" said that at least Rush, birthers (I assume people who are pro-life), Beck and Fox weren't the ones who crashed the dinner because they are out to harm Obama.

GMAB!

I am so tired for being villanized because I don't agree with Obama's policies. If you don't agree, you must be evil, racist, less than human.

And for the posters out there who say GWB had it much easier with getting his policies through Washington...you remember history much differently than I do.

The first GWB administration was plagued with Dems that didn't believe he had been elected President.

Wrong assumption about prolifers..I am prolife btw..

Birthers are people who don't believe Obama was born in the US..they claim he was born in Indonesia or Kenya and say the birth certificate from Hawaii is phony...despite what the state of Hawaii says and despite the existence of a real birth certificate from that state...Orly Tate...I think I spelled her name right..., one of their leaders was admonished by a court recently for bringing phony suits to try to get Obama removed from office...

Of course Mcain was born in the Panama canal zone..but if he had been elected I wouldn't have been against him for that reason...

I never denied Bush was POTUS....I didn't vote for him but I wanted him to do well..
I never thought he would lie to get us into a war...try to corrupt the department of Justice with Karl Rove and Alberto Gonzales firing US attorneys who were after corrupt repubs in Congress or have incomptent administrators like that joke of a FEMA admin during Katrina...

kakax

11-26-2009, 05:47 PM

Wrong assumption about prolifers..I am prolife btw..

Birthers are people who don't believe Obama was born in the US..they claim he was born in Indonesia or Kenya and say the birth certificate from Hawaii is phony...despite what the state of Hawaii says and despite the existence of a real birth certificate from that state...Orly Tate...I think I spelled her name right..., one of their leaders was admonished by a court recently for bringing phony suits to try to get Obama removed from office...

Of course Mcain was born in the Panama canal zone..but if he had been elected I wouldn't have been against him for that reason...

I never denied Bush was POTUS....I didn't vote for him but I wanted him to do well..
I never thought he would lie to get us into a war...try to corrupt the department of Justice with Karl Rove and Alberto Gonzales firing US attorneys who were after corrupt repubs in Congress or have incomptent administrators like that joke of a FEMA admin during Katrina...

I don't normally post on these threads because I know that many people I post with on other forums have different ideas than I. I respect them as I respect Obama as OUR President.

If you think that all right wingers don't want this country to do well, you have the wrong idea.

Spew hatred, and that is what you will get back.

For you to suggest that any of those people you listed in your hate diatribe on the other thread would harm the President is just beyond my mind.

I am an American first, then a Republican second. I hate these forums that try to pit good people against good people because they have different ideas.

I'm not a birther (thank you for clarifying), a tea bagger, a Beck croonie, a Rush rushie or a member of Fox News. I do happen to agree with a lot of things the that some of those people and organizations represent (more often than not). I don't appreciate feeling like I'm evil and want to do harm to our President because of it.

LisaM22

11-26-2009, 05:50 PM

healthcare should have waited..climate change should have waited..the stimulus should have been better targetted...

The economic recovery should have been the focus....

<snip>

:cursing::angry:

they are all related, spending money on America is needed, it also should be spent with a purpose so we get twice the bang for our dollar

how come none of these things got done when repubs were in power? repubs always have an excuse not to help the people, yet they also always have a excuse to help the rich......

Susan43

11-26-2009, 06:02 PM

Don't forget Acorn. The Chicago Machine, transporting drunks, mentally unstable and homeless people to vote by buying them off with cigarettes. etc. etc. Have a Happy.

Please post one link to support that any of these had anything to do with the way the election went. Nothing here could have changed the fact that 9.5 million more people voted for Obama. I know you think this might be true, but if you do some research you will find it's nothing but baseless accusations.

Hannibal

11-26-2009, 07:34 PM

look up a whole bunch of stuff with quotes....
and find where stuff on Fox/right wing talk radio was fact checked and proven by responsible media to be lies/untrue.Not sure that would satisfy you.
The other poster claimed the mainstream media lies anyway so why should I bother looking up a whole lot of stuff you repubs will choose not to believe anyway...

I am a lib but I do have some conservative beliefs/ideas.Heck I even like some of Ron Paul's ideas...

If you repubs would present some actual proposals, as opposed to just saying no and tell the reactionaries to quit spewing lies maybe we could get somewhere...
Maybe libs like me would consider some of your solutions if you could come up with any.

Easier to just let the dogs on your side lose though isn't it ?

Have a nice day...

Susan43

11-26-2009, 07:48 PM

The dems have had control for almost the last three years and Bush could not have gone to war without the approval of the dems. All military spending for the last decade couldn't have been spent without dem approval.

While the debt may have almost doubled under Bush you can't put the blame solely on Bush especially for the last 2 years of his presidency when the dems had control of both houses.

GMAB other than maybe a few isolated incidents or taking a lib's twisted definition of torture, I see no orders to torture, what happened in Viet Nam was far worse than today's interrogation methods and even that wasn't torture IMO. Did LBJ, Nixon, or Carter serve between George Washington and Clinton, and by lib standards was Clinton also innocent? The future will tell us how well the current administration's methods of apology and giving Miranda rights on the battlefield works out. The circus in NYC is a good example of political idiocy and can only have negative consequences.

I'm not surprised you want to quibble whether or not waterboarding and such are actually torture. But please remember we sent some Japanese to be executed and others to prison for the same things we did. That is why I am unable to talk to some conservatives. They either will not or cannot admit the truth.

And although you might think it's a great talking point to use miranda in your argument, I have never seen anyone but someone from the right saying it. Have a link that the current administration is considering it?

And while I know you would like to blame the dems, please note that they didn't take office until Jan. 07...right?

It’ll be the 7th time the debt limit has been raised during this administration. In fact it was just two months ago, on July 30, that President Bush signed the Housing and Economic Recovery Act, which contained a provision raising the debt ceiling to $10.615 trillion.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/29/couricandco/entry4486228.shtml

From 2006

Congress Sets New Federal Debt Limit: $9 Trillion
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5282521

And maybe you didn't know this.

Day Two: House passes new budget rules
Democrats push to increase spending only with cuts in other funding
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16487187/

Paygo was a priority for the Dems when they regained control of congress. The Repubs had allowed it to lapse early in the 2000's.

Susan43

11-26-2009, 08:50 PM

Here's some good one's too.

Give up arms, Muslim clerics tell terrorists and Maoists
http://in.news.yahoo.com/43/20091103/818/tnl-give-up-arms-muslim-clerics-tell-ter.html

6000 Muslim Clerics Endorse Fatwa against terrorism
http://www.juancole.com/2008/11/6000-muslim-clerics-endorse-fatwa.html

Muslims Condemn Terrorist Attacks
http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php

Hannibal

11-26-2009, 09:12 PM

concerning the tea partiers...

I should have reviewed the recent rules additions...

If I get banned for doing that ...it will be the third time I have been banned..then so be it...

But I did want to apologize for doing so..it wasn't my intent to violate any rules...

I do believe in what I have been saying on this thread tonight and I hope repubs and conservatives will do some research on what they are seeing on Fox /hearing from their pundits and rethink their positions on what has been said..

Good night all....

PosterGuy

11-26-2009, 09:44 PM

http://www.speroforum.com/a/20784/Iraq---Bomb-attack-on-Sunni-Imam-killed-because-he-criticized-Al-Qaeda

Of course it exists...you must be another undereducated conservative who gets his facts from Fox.....

I read a lot..so don't waste your time testing me....

:thumbdown:

Your first sentence says a lot.....

The last refuge for left wingers with bankrupt arguements is attacking FOX News.

I was talking about attacks on Americans.

IMO.

Hannibal

11-26-2009, 10:23 PM

Your first sentence says a lot.....

The last refuge for left wingers with bankrupt arguements is attacking FOX News.

I was talking about attacks on Americans.

IMO.

I knew what I meant not necessarily what you meant...

so be clearer next time..

Dems and libs btw have valid arguments......it's repubs and conservatives..people like you... that try to deligitimize Obama with this birther nonsense...

PosterGuy

11-26-2009, 10:43 PM

I knew what I meant not necessarily what you meant...

so be clearer next time..

Dems and libs btw have valid arguments......it's repubs and conservatives..people like you... that try to deligitimize Obama with this birther nonsense...

IMO, we do not need the birther stuff to deligitimize him.

koawally

11-26-2009, 11:45 PM

Thing is, what you may think is a lie, I may not. I watch Fox News daily and I don't feel like there is anything wrong with their stories, anchors or guests.

It's in our perspective that we disagree. I listen to main stream media and think they lie to the American public. They haven't given a second to the environmental emails we have all heard about. I think that is lying.

I like Fox because I feel they come from my perspective. I am not going to hold you to Katie Courics words or what she doesn't say. You can decide for yourself. Just like I can.

Saying...you repubs is just as bad as being racist. You people...like we are some sort of disease.

It is discouraging to come to this message board and hear people talk this way.

And no, I don't agree that any of the people you listed are out to harm Obama. Rush Limbaugh, Beck, the teabaggers and a lot of the people who print articles and blogs about Obama's nationality or Islamic influence in his life are not evil. They don't want him hurt. I think it is silly to suggest it.

Appreciate talking with you...but this forum really isn't for me. My opinions on this matter are my opinions only and I don't think this is the best place to share them. They aren't respected.

....you people, by all means, continue to discuss and trash other people you don't even know.

kakax...Post of the day!!!:thumbsup:

Hannibal

11-26-2009, 11:49 PM

IMO, we do not need the birther stuff to deligitimize him.
and that's why dems and libs can't take people like you seriously or give your assertions any credence whatsoever...

:thumbdown:

*Pinky*

11-27-2009, 02:52 AM

Considering the disaster that was left to Obama from the past eight years causing great distruction to our country and the world. I think he is doing a great job.

I think Obama is doing a GREAT job!

crocdog1

11-27-2009, 09:30 AM

Force their extreme social agenda/faith based agenda, agenda meaning voting for something you oppose? Why is what motivates a person a reason to condemn? Many who have faith and many who don't oppose abortion, don't they have a right to try and change the law?

The left wants and has gay indoctrination in the schools starting in grade school, many oppose this forced indoctrination and it isn't necessarily because of their faith, they object to the gay agenda being forced on them and their children, shouldn't they be allowed to voice their objections?

The left now is attempting to steal even more from the productive and give to the non productive, shouldn't the productive have a right to protest against this move towards socialism? Would you say the neo-comms makeup the base of the Dems?

1. I see nothing wrong with those who are PRO LIFE. However, I and other PRO CHOICERS certainly have the right to disagree with the PRO LIFE belief that those that have been horribly and violently rape/sodomized by some evil beast, have the right not spawn his child.

Same goes with those children who have been raped/sodomized by their father, uncle, or some other male member of their family.

2. Talk about indoctrination. What about those extreme Right Wingers that want to force their Religious beliefs on our school children--they call it Creationism. One example is how they want to teach our children that the earth was formed in 6000 years (see Link).

http://www.examiner.com/x-6665-Liberal-Examiner~y2009m7d8-Seriously-Arizona-State-Senator-Sylvia-Allen-Earth-is-6000-years-old

3. Steal from the Productive? Yeah, like when the Republican Administration loaned the American Peoples tax dollars to WALL STREET without any stipulations. This money was supposed to free up loans for small businesses, and also for improving the foreclosure problem.

Instead, WALL STREET gives themselves huge bonuses and salaries, and the Republican Members of Congress want to cut their taxes even more.

IMO, this is SOCIALISM in reverse--when the American People are forced to give to WALL STREET.

Just My Humble Opinion

Mahalo

11-27-2009, 11:58 AM

seedless, I love how you try and hide your noxious links!!!:tonguewag:

Mimi428

11-27-2009, 12:36 PM

PG .... You never seem to address anyone individually. I suppose you might consider me one of "The Left" ((who I assume you're addressing)). I can tell you in all honesty, I've never used the term "right wing fanatics". To say "you all sling around the term" is just not true.

jmo

I did a search on the entire board for the words right wing fanatics & got a total of 11 results. 2 of them are you & me on this thread, in response to PG. One of them is PG declaring: The fact the you all sling around the term "right wing fanatics" so casually Another is PG quoting me where I answered that I don't use that term.

The other 7 - post #61 on this thread, by me, where I used the word "fanatics" (but not right wing)

Crocdog used the term 'right wing fanatics in post #56 on this thread.

Then we have to go back to 3 weeks to the thread entitled: Maine: Same Sex Marriage Repealed. Post #136 by ninetoes uses the words religious fanatics & rightwing christians http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13614623&highlight=wing+fanatics#post13614623

Then we have to go back two months to the thread on 9/17: Breaking news on Acorn 9/10, post 293 by shiloh2000 - who didn't use the words right wing fanatics, but did use the words wing & fanatics in this post: What left wing liberal fanatics are going to help the poor now? http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13485278&highlight=wing+fanatics#post13485278

Then we have to go all the way back to June, to the thread entitled More Far-Right Violence?, which is on the Immigration Board.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13199782&highlight=wing+fanatics#post13199782

That thread used the words right, wing, & fanatic, but not necessarily as a phrase.

I don't know where all the slinging is of that phrase, but I do know that I don't use it & you don't either.

justaguy

11-27-2009, 03:22 PM

Should have been "me." afternoon posterguy!

ok my rant for the day: audience polls taken on "personality" news shows. ie Beck,Hannity,the ED show, oreilly.

number one, totally skewed as of course all of these shows have a conservative or liberal slant..so the people watching have it and is reflected.

but MY opinion of the reason they do it is this: its free market research!

lets say i do a segment in which i come out in favor of the tea party movement..and i ask ya to all call in and vote yes or no in favor. well, especially if there is a big divide, as there usually is, i know which way to go next time to keep my audience..the way they voted!

plus, if way more people call in on a subject than normal..its a sign i should really hit it often, as its a story of interest.

i know i listed mainly fox shows..but i tried to list all the ones that i remember and have seen that do call in polls. i know cnn does also but its more sporadic and usually during the days broadcast hour. it seems to be more of a feedback thing,at least to me.

beattherap

11-27-2009, 03:34 PM

Hey beattherap .... Hope you had a nice Thanksgiving.

I think the President made it clear the economy wasn't going to be "fixed" in months. IIRC, he has said many times, "it's not going to be done overnight". I think the economy IS improving. I remember, a couple of months after President Obama assumed office, when the stockmarket was so low. I can remember posters blaming Obama for that, even though he had only been in office a very short time. The stockmarket has improved greatly .... are you willing to give the President credit for that now ??

jmo
great thanksgiving, hope the same for you...

i agree obama said the economy wouldn't be fixed in months... however, he and his economic advisors said the stimulus bill would 'jolt' and 'jumpstart' the economy... they said the ur would max out at 8%... neither happened... i think using the administration's own economic goals for this year, they flopped...

the stock market ?... i saw today that dubai's debt crisis sent stocks tumbling... i don't know what drives the market, but i suppose this year's increase is in part due to obama's policies.

Susan43

11-27-2009, 05:12 PM

ITA, both sides have every right to disagree with each other. Force creationism on school children? I'm not up on this but isn't evolution also a theory, as long as both are presented as theory what are you afraid of. We have gays pushing their agenda on grade schoolers, there is no resolution to the nature vs nurture argument and the silence from the left is deafening. Why do those on the left have no problem pushing that theory down children's throats and come unglued over the mention of creationism?

Hoover and Roosevelt tried to tax, borrow and spend their way out of a recession and they got a depression. Interesting commentary (http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed012109f.cfm)

I was against the Wall street bailout and believe not having provisions in the bill to prevent those outrageous bonuses was on purpose. Remember when casting blame both house were controlled by the democrats. TARP was a good example of who the politicians really work for.

I think if I could have any wish come true it would be that people who don't understand science would learn the difference between the meaning of the work "theory" the way that science uses it, and the way almost everyone else uses it. It is not a guess.

As used in science, a theory is an explanation or model based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle helping to explain and predict natural phenomena.
http://www.fsteiger.com/theory.html

The unemployment rate when Roosevelt took office was 24.9%

http://www.hyperhistory.com/online_n2/connections_n2/great_depression.html

We were already in a depression and it was through tax hikes and government spending that got us out of it. For anyone to say the New Deal didn't work is just crazy.

LisaM22

11-27-2009, 08:28 PM

Hi beattherap .... I think what bothers me more than anything else is that some expect, after being in office for 10 months, all the problems the President inherited should have been fixed by him by now. <snip>

jmo

I think they just want to attack this administration before he gets it cleaned up, while he is cleaning it up.... what else can they do but try and blame Obama for their own parties failings?

Susan43

11-27-2009, 08:54 PM

Define scientific theory any way you want but the theory of evolution will still not be considered fact. Evolution must be accepted with faith same as creationism, neither theory is provable or to be considered as fact.

When it comes to the new deal it didn't end the depression, it prolonged it IMO.

:biggrin: Actually, there are no facts to back up creationism except the Bible. None. So one must have faith that Genesis is literal.

And evolution is backed up by years and years of fossils and carbon dating techniques. There actually is solid scientific proof that backs up evolution. I don't have to take it on faith.

And I guess we'll have to disagree on the depression, simply because I'm feeling too lazy at the moment to back up my claim.

Susan43

11-27-2009, 08:55 PM

I think they just want to attack this administration before he gets it cleaned up, while he is cleaning it up.... what else can they do but try and blame Obama for their own parties failings?

ITA and I think that some are actually hoping it doesn't get cleaned up so they can say he failed. Isn't that just the saddest?

Susan43

11-27-2009, 10:46 PM

It was the reversal of the new deal policies that contributed to the rise of unemployment in 1937 & 38. The new deal should have continued longer.

Conservatives cherry-pick 1930s unemployment figures in continued assault on New Deal
http://mediamatters.org/research/200812030014

Thanks Abraxas, I was feeling just a tad lazy, so thanks for getting the info. I hadn't seen this article before so thanks for posting it, it's a keeper.

Susan43

11-27-2009, 10:54 PM

Which Party Is Better for Stocks?

Over the past 60 years, this trend has been more pronounced. The Democrats have held the presidency only 41% of that time, but under their rule the average annual return has been 15.26%, more than six percentage points higher than the 9.01% return under Republicans.

http://finance.yahoo.com/expert/article/futureinvest/104492

And yet those same people think we should follow the lead of the GOP. It just doesn't make sense. The numbers clearly show that the right is not good for the economy.

slaaer

11-28-2009, 02:32 AM

I noticed alot of fingers pointing at Bush and obama with a couple shoots at congress. I myself blame greedy people. I dont understand the fundamentals of govermnet an such but how in the world did we end up owing China of all places so much,better yet why are we borrowing money from other countries to stay afloat as they say. I can remember growing up hearing how other countries look up to us cuz of various things, now all i hear is China owns us.
As a individual we cant change things but groups of people can. DOnt ya think the old folks in congress need to go an a new batch put in.
Just seems to me for as long as i can remember things only changed when someones back pocket got fatter. Maybe im blind nor just flat out dont know but i think it took more then 8 years to make this country what it is today. The next statement ima make will prolly get some rawled up but Americans in general have gotten lazy an its time Americans stepped up. An i mean lazy in a overall view. As far as my vote for this poll i wont cuz the job aint done yet.

Jayne

11-28-2009, 05:59 AM

I don't normally post on these threads because I know that many people I post with on other forums have different ideas than I. I respect them as I respect Obama as OUR President.

If you think that all right wingers don't want this country to do well, you have the wrong idea.

Spew hatred, and that is what you will get back.

For you to suggest that any of those people you listed in your hate diatribe on the other thread would harm the President is just beyond my mind.

I am an American first, then a Republican second. I hate these forums that try to pit good people against good people because they have different ideas.

I'm not a birther (thank you for clarifying), a tea bagger, a Beck croonie, a Rush rushie or a member of Fox News. I do happen to agree with a lot of things the that some of those people and organizations represent (more often than not). I don't appreciate feeling like I'm evil and want to do harm to our President because of it.

Thanks for saying what you did. ITA. I hope people pay attention to your post. Just because someone is a Republican does not make them the enemy any more than a Democrat is the enemy. Those of us who hold certain values - it does not make them the enemy or disrespectful to our President or wishing evil or ill will. That is why I have always despised Politics because it can become so Dark or Green (not the Green of today..I'm talking envy or jealousy or just darned distaste for an "opposing" party).

I probably have as many Dem friends as Rep friends and we don't get into battles, but we do have discussions - true discussions and no one goes away feeling as if s/he was put down or dissed or made to feel less. It's opinion and it can cause a lot of upheaval and fired debates, I suppose, but I'm grateful we never get to that. It's a sharing of ideas and ideals and some agree and some don't agree. But never have I EVER considered any of my colleages (or fellow posters) who were of an opposing party as unintelligent, stupid, narrow minded, or evil. Maybe just got lucky. The ones I've met face to face - they weren't out to smear differing ideas.

jmo

J

phylcore

11-28-2009, 06:48 AM

Good posts Kakax and Jayne.Some of my dearest friends are Liberals and Republicans.Respect comes to mind...

beattherap

11-28-2009, 09:26 AM

Hi beattherap .... I think what bothers me more than anything else is that some expect, after being in office for 10 months, all the problems the President inherited should have been fixed by him by now. He is supposed to have concluded 2 wars .... ended the banking crisis .... ended the jobs crisis .... handled the automobile companies filing bankruptcy .... passed healthcare reform .... "fixed" the economy, in general, and goodness knows WHAT else. Since all of those problems took YEARS to happen, it seems so unrealistic to me that they would be fixed in 10 months. Don't you agree ??

There are those who say he is handling too much .... he should focus on one thing .... yet they continue to complain when he doesn't take care sending more troops into Afghanistan ((although he DID in March of this year, because Bush did not)). They complain because of the jobs situation .... they complain about the economy.

IMO, it would be difficult for the President to focus on just one thing, since he inherited so many problems.

jmo
constant complainers don't bother me too much... i think they help keep gov't. on their toes and are more useful and less annoying than the 'some' who go gaga over everything the prez does ['the way he looks at michelle brings tears to me eyes' types] or those who judge his performance by bush...

no, i didn't expect him to fix all the problems in months... in fact, i don't expect him to fix everything in 4 or 8 years... on the economy and jobs, i'm judging him on what he and his people told us they'd accomplish... d+.

imo.