11/25 - 11/30

[Justice4all]

Gosselin hoopla may be fading

Kate Gosselin's proposals to several toy manufacturers -- for a line of ''eco-friendly'' playthings -- have not been met with any enthusiasm. Ditto for her idea for a ''mom-friendly'' (whatever that means!) line of beauty products for busy mothers.


http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/zwecker/1903594,CST-FTR-zp25.article

[daniel green]

Kate is one of Barbara Walter's 10 most fascinating people of 2009 and will be interviewed on BW's primetime special:

http://www.examiner.com/x-30363-Canada-Celebrity-Examiner~y2009m11d25-TLC-Jon--Kate-Plus-8--Barbara-Walters-to-interview-Kate-Gosselin-named-most-fascinating

[SavannahStar]

Kate is one of Barbara Walter's 10 most fascinating people of 2009 and will be interviewed on BW's primetime special:

http://www.examiner.com/x-30363-Canada-Celebrity-Examiner~y2009m11d25-TLC-Jon--Kate-Plus-8--Barbara-Walters-to-interview-Kate-Gosselin-named-most-fascinating

OH FGS! :thumbdown:

[spydernweb2006]

I wish they'd BOTH go away!

JMHO

hugs,
Spyder

[Justice4all]

OH FGS! :thumbdown:

Barbara must be desperate this year because adam lambert and lady gaga and SC's first lady are also on that list.:rolleyes:

[daniel green]

I think it is a good list. Those are all ppl everyone's talked about and buzzed about and what to know more about.

I am soooooooo happy to see that Mrs. Sanford is one of them and will be speaking out.

[WillowInFlight]

OH FGS! :thumbdown:

My first thought wasn't quite as nice as your post! :laugh:

[Humdinger]

Gosselin hoopla may be fading



http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/zwecker/1903594,CST-FTR-zp25.article

Gosselin hoopla faded a longgggg time ago, thanks to KATE! :sneaky:

[Humdinger]

OH FGS! :thumbdown:

My sentiments exactly! :lol:

Desperate times call for desperate choices, eh Barbara?
:lol:

[Palm Palm]

Kate is one of Barbara Walter's 10 most fascinating people of 2009 and will be interviewed on BW's primetime special:

http://www.examiner.com/x-30363-Canada-Celebrity-Examiner~y2009m11d25-TLC-Jon--Kate-Plus-8--Barbara-Walters-to-interview-Kate-Gosselin-named-most-fascinating

WOW COOL!! I knew Kate was popular, I guess I did not know just how much. Top 10 people!! Just in time to spread the word for the Holidays!! :thumbsup:

I always look forward to Barbara's Specials.
GOOD CATCH DANIEL!! THANKS!!! :biggrin:

[daniel green]

I find Walters' specials very interesting, too. She manages to ask the questions the audience wants answered.

[Justice4all]

Looks real good. I am happy to see Mrs. Sanford also. Lady Gaga needs to tell me how she pulled off the fake blood during VMA. Hey, maybe we will find out more about Kate's new show. You can't get better publicity than that!!!!!! :thumbup:

Palm just to set the record straight..I've never said anything like this.
originally Posted by Palm Palm
GOOD ONE DANIEL!!

I can't even grasp the idea that ANY spa owner would say that moms should not go to spas. Guess we have one amongst us!! Should be a sign on the door saying just that.

Just makes no sense or cents......HA HA!!


IMO

[Justice4all]

and Palm i never said anything like this either.

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So Jon's making an honest living. Ty for admitting that


Well, yes in your eyes. You probably do think he has been honest in his tv appearences. I do not. Breaking a contract alone in my eyes is being dishonest. I personally do not find what he has said on tv as being honest either. I don't believe a word he says.

In my mindset, Jon started being dishonest and making a living at it way back to Deanna.

I guess it is all about how each of us were raised as to what is dishonest and what is not.

IMO

I've said over and over I don't believe anything Jon or kate says. So please do not twist my words and say I think he's been honest.

[birdwatch]

I find Walters' specials very interesting, too. She manages to ask the questions the audience wants answered. Oh for goodness sake - is there something left to find out about Kate? I love Barbara and always watch her specials - but she'll be hard pressed to find something new to talk about with Kate. Barbara almost always gets them crying - I think we can count on Kate for that. I'm tired of it - I really am.

[Justice4all]

Kate is one of Barbara Walter's 10 most fascinating people of 2009 and will be interviewed on BW's primetime special:

http://www.examiner.com/x-30363-Canada-Celebrity-Examiner~y2009m11d25-TLC-Jon--Kate-Plus-8--Barbara-Walters-to-interview-Kate-Gosselin-named-most-fascinating

TY for the link...ITA with what they are saying
What really makes Kate Gosselin fascinating is her erratic husband.

and

Will Barbara Walters be able to get Kate to give us the finer details on what is making Jon Gosselin the most fascinating person of 2009?

:laugh:

[daniel green]

Nobody will be forced to watch it.

Those folks who want to, will. And--like all Barbara Walters' specials about the top 10 most interesting people--it will have millions and millions of viewers.

[Justice4all]

Nobody will be forced to watch it.

Those folks who want to, will. And--like all Barbara Walters' specials about the top 10 most interesting people--it will have millions and millions of viewers.

I'll watch....:thumbsup:
I love giving Barbara great ratings.
Kate's not getting paid....So i can't wait hear what she has to say. :lol:

[Justice4all]

In fact i might put it on the DVR just so i can see how many times Barbara and Kate :lol:say the word JON


and i love this part of the article

While Kate Gosselin has had her share of tabloid covers this year, it is Jon Gosselin himself who is truly the most fascinating, but putting him in an interview chair would prove difficult. First of all, it would breach his much contested exclusivity contract with TLC and second of all, it seems Jon Gosselin does not know what his real issues are

[birdwatch]

TY for the link...ITA with what they are saying


:laugh: What total rot, eh? Kate will not sit there and babble about Jon.... or "Jon's real issues" (I hope)

[daniel green]

snipped Kate will not sit there and babble about Jon.

She won't.

She will talk about the children and her new show and her goals.

The finale of the J and K + 8 got almost 4 million viewers. That is a lot of fans.

[Justice4all]

What total rot, eh? Kate will not sit there and babble about Jon.... or "Jon's real issues" (I hope)

So far every show she's went on she's talked about Jon.

[Justice4all]

She won't.

She will talk about the children and her new show and her goals.

The finale of the J and K + 8 got almost 4 million viewers. That is a lot of fans.

How do you know this? and the finale had Jon on it, so give him a little credit for those ratings.

[tiptop]

I hope the kids are not being affected with all the drama.

I dont see how they couldnt be. IMO the drama has been going on since filming began. And possibly even before. Much like the Duggars, they had to need the money. What may start as an innocent docu often ends in disaster.

[incidentally]

She won't.

She will talk about the children and her new show and her goals.

The finale of the J and K + 8 got almost 4 million viewers. That is a lot of fans.

I don't think the viewers were fans much less well wishers, Daniel. I think the large majority were people strictly nterested in the train wreck and how it would end.

I find both Jon and Kate detestable. Jon does not seem to possess an ounce of sense. As for Kate, if it hadn't been for TLC standing behind their investment (the show) and likely spending a fortune on PR for her, I feel sure she would have dug herself as deep if not a deeper hole then Jon. Even coached, to me, she still comes across as a self centered, mean spirited and spiteful person.

TLC's going to have their work cut out for them if the rumors are true about another show for Kate...imo.

[Patriot]

I'm in the minority here:blushing: because I am a Kate fan. I watched the show last night and am sad I won't be able to continut to watch the kids grow up. It's been a 'feel good' about life show for me....I will miss it.

An FYI about a new show, I read in one of last months magazines that Paula Deen asked Kate to do a cooking show with her. Don't know if that's true or not.
Happy Thanksgiving to all. :thumbup:

I was a fan of both until Jon went nuts and showed his true colors. I find his actions despicable. I did find Kate to be a bit much and on the b*t*c*hy side, but after seeing the show interviewing just her, I felt like I judged her too harshly. I found her to be very sincere and real. She doesn't run from her flaws and is honest about them. I came to see her as a victim of Jon after that show. She and the kids. He should be ashamed of himself, but he's too wrapped up in himself to feel any shame.

Lately, when watching the recent shows and even some of the reruns, I realize how much he is and has always been 100% about himself and such a whiner. JMO.

[daniel green]

I'm in the minority here:blushing: because I am a Kate fan. I watched the show last night and am sad I won't be able to continut to watch the kids grow up. It's been a 'feel good' about life show for me....I will miss it.

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I'm right there with you. :sad:

[daniel green]

I was a fan of both until Jon went nuts and showed his true colors. I find his actions despicable. I did find Kate to be a bit much and on the b*t*c*hy side, but after seeing the show interviewing just her, I felt like I judged her too harshly. I found her to be very sincere and real. She doesn't run from her flaws and is honest about them. I came to see her as a victim of Jon after that show. She and the kids. He should be ashamed of himself, but he's too wrapped up in himself to feel any shame.

Lately, when watching the recent shows and even some of the reruns, I realize how much he is and has always been 100% about himself and such a whiner. JMO.

Ditto every word, Patriot.

[daniel green]

Hi daniel green,
I am so bummed that we can't watch as the kids enter another stage of their life. I remember watching them as toddlers running around with their sucky blankets and them learning to use the potty. lol I thought last nights show was precious....showing the kids at the farm, watching them having a fit over holding the kittens and watching the cows being milked, etc. Many of us imo watched the show primarily to see the kids. They are delightful.

And with those sweet kitties!!!!!!!! I am thankful that they let us into their family all these years. I will miss them.

[daniel green]

Now that he has split from Hailey Glassman, Jon Gosselin won't be spending Thanksgiving with her and her family.

His new plan?

"I won't be home," he says in a video on X17online.com. "I'm going to my grandma's."

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebritynews/news/jon-gosselin-reveals-his-new-thanksgiving-day-plan-1970218

[Patriot]

Ditto every word, Patriot.

Don't know if you can say the same, daniel, but I actually saw a bit of myself in Kate during that show that was just her. Ok, maybe more than a little bit, lol. But we finally got to see a vulnerable side of her and I admire her sincerity and willingness to show her raw emotion. She has her flaws, but at least she is honest. Jon is dishonest, has no integrity and is nothing but a self centered brat. IMO.

[daniel green]

Here's one thing Jon Gosselin's probably not thankful for this year: audio recording devices. The "Jon & Kate Plus 8" dad has been caught saying some pretty damning things about his children and TLC, the network that aired his reality series, courtesy of taped phone calls recorded and released to Radar Online by Michael Lohan, who has apparently decided that his new friends are worthy of the same taping treatment he gives his starlet daughter, Lindsay, and his ex-wife, Dina.
"I mean, I put my kids out there to every pedophile on the planet, and they never got paid for it?" Gosselin said in the recording, spouting off about TLC allegedly profiting off his family. "It's disgusting."

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/jon-gosselin-lashes-tlc-pedophiles-call-michael-lohan/story?id=9175024

Simply unbelievable that he would say such a thing. :cursing:

[daniel green]

Don't know if you can say the same, daniel, but I actually saw a bit of myself in Kate during that show that was just her. Ok, maybe more than a little bit, lol. But we finally got to see a vulnerable side of her and I admire her sincerity and willingness to show her raw emotion. She has her flaws, but at least she is honest. Jon is dishonest, has no integrity and is nothing but a self centered brat. IMO.

Oh, I saw a LOT of myself in her. I do admire her honesty and her willingness, as you say, to be strong enough to let anyone see that raw side--the emotional one. I know for me, it's much easier to be tough and not show that side at all. Or even admit that it's there.

[*Onmyknervz*]

OH FGS! :thumbdown:

hehe.. hi Savannah. Happy Thanksgiving!
:wub:

[daniel green]

So, was it goodbye or good riddance to Jon & Kate Plus 8? It sure didn't seem like the show wore out its welcome. Last night's series finale was well-attended, attracting 4.3 million viewers, TLC said, up 2 million from last week's penultimate episode. When all was said and done and repeated in the tabloids, the show remained a ratings winner, if not the scandal-boosted phenomenon of earlier in the season.

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b155262_goodbye_good_riddance_jon_kate_plus_8.html

[LisaM22]

I was a fan of both until Jon went nuts and showed his true colors. I find his actions despicable. I did find Kate to be a bit much and on the b*t*c*hy side, but after seeing the show interviewing just her, I felt like I judged her too harshly. I found her to be very sincere and real. She doesn't run from her flaws and is honest about them. I came to see her as a victim of Jon after that show. She and the kids. He should be ashamed of himself, but he's too wrapped up in himself to feel any shame.

Lately, when watching the recent shows and even some of the reruns, I realize how much he is and has always been 100% about himself and such a whiner. JMO.

the sanctity of marriage broadcast for all to see?....

"The Gospel and the Gosselins"

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2009/juneweb-only/122-11.0.html

[Justice4all]

the sanctity of marriage broadcast for all to see?....

"The Gospel and the Gosselins"

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2009/juneweb-only/122-11.0.html

Really a great article. Thank you for sharing it with us.

[Coco]

Don't know if you can say the same, daniel, but I actually saw a bit of myself in Kate during that show that was just her. Ok, maybe more than a little bit, lol. But we finally got to see a vulnerable side of her and I admire her sincerity and willingness to show her raw emotion. She has her flaws, but at least she is honest. Jon is dishonest, has no integrity and is nothing but a self centered brat. IMO.
I hear when the little kids are not in school they will be on the show. I am not sure what month it starts just that it is spring. I want to see all the kids & know what is going on with them. We are hooked. I just loved all those great trips. I loved the great organic food. I loved the old house but loved when they moved. I even loved their washer & dryers. There are too many of us out there who want to be a part of their lives and hear about them. We are looking forward to seeing Kate do great and seeing what is going on in her life also. She is still young has her heath and a great home with lots of love to go around.

I wish I was more like Kate. She is nice but strong and pretty. I am not nearly as strong as she is. I am organized though. I totally get how important that is.She makes us all want to do better. Maybe some people feel threatened by women like that. I do not know. I watched the show with my mom from the start when they had the special. I have seen every show at least 2 or more times. I did not watch much lately because of Jon. Everytime I see him I just think he really does not want to be there. I doubt now he ever really did. He was just looking for a way to walk out on his family. Now he has. My dad was the same as him. Just like you saw with M & C in the last show. If my little brother and I would ask for our mom he would get real mean. He did not want us around. Believe me when I say kids know when a parent does not want to be there with them. It felt so bad. I literally got sick to my stomach. One day he quit coming to get us. Soon the bad feelings went away. I do not miss those old days with my dad at all. I thought he was somebody he was not. I lost all trust of him. Some kids never get over it. Some turn out ok. If I could talk to Jon I would tell him that pretty soon him not being there will become normal to his kids. He will put a huge gap between himself and them that he can never fix. Some of the kids will want him back some will decide it is better the same way I did. Jon thinks they will always be there waiting for him. Nope it does not work that way. Those kids will really become even closer with Kate. I know we all did with our mom. Those kids are much better behaved with her because she is much better with them. As simple as that.

[charmin 66]

I was drawn to this show as a mother of multiples. It was amusing for me to look back at the younger years and remember how hard it was. No I don't have eight kids, but I do know what it's like to have 3 babies and only two hands, so I can't even imagine what Jon and Kate went through.

But, now I can't stomach to watch the show, and it's not because of Jon or Kate, it's the kids. I think the kids are pompous brats.

Of course, I don't blame the kids, they learn what they live.

JMHO

[Coco]

Kate is one of Barbara Walter's 10 most fascinating people of 2009 and will be interviewed on BW's primetime special:

http://www.examiner.com/x-30363-Canada-Celebrity-Examiner~y2009m11d25-TLC-Jon--Kate-Plus-8--Barbara-Walters-to-interview-
Kate-Gosselin-named-most-fascinating

Great!!!I did not notice a date for this. Does anyone know. Looks like some really good A listers. Thanks so much.
I suspected something was going on with Jon:

In the series ending, last episode of Jon & Kate Plus 8, Jon Gosselin looks unkempt, unwashed and displaying unusual body ticks. There is a great deal of speculation that the octo-dad may be using drugs or abusing alcohol. Jon seems very stressed and uncomfortable in the interview couch.

In stark contrast, Kate looks refreshed and relaxed as she gets a little teary eyed when the producer lobs some relatively softball questions. One question, in particular speaks to the issue of whether or not Jon's new 22 year old girlfriend will be a part of her children's lives. Kate shuts that down quickly, and says that she does not see that in the future and that Jon's girlfriends are merely a symptom of the real issue.

That begs the question, what is the real issue? Jon Gosselin seems to be on a reckless path of self destruction. Ending his marriage, ending his TLC TV show and even giving Kate primary custody of their eight children. Numerous lawsuits surround him as he makes the three hour drive to his new home in a NY apartment.

Kate was right, the short lived relationship between Jon and the daughter of Kate's tummy tuck doctor is now calling Jon a compulsive liar on her twitter. While Kate Gosselin has had her share of tabloid covers this year, it is Jon Gosselin himself who is truly the most fascinating, but putting him in an interview chair would prove difficult. First of all, it would breach his much contested exclusivity contract with TLC and second of all, it seems Jon Gosselin does not know what his real issues are.

In the last episode, Jon talks about how elated he was to be free of the marriage, and how he now knows he was a blamer and is learning he has to take responsibility for his actions and grow up. He says he thinks he reverted back to being a 23 year old, because he was married and had children too soon.

The 32 year old father of eight, Jon Gosselin, may be having a midlife crisis exacerbated by falling in with the wrong sort of people. His now ex-friend Michael Lohan has done prison time, his now ex-girlfriend had drug charges as a college student and his lawyer, Mark Jay Heller was previously suspended from practicing law in NY for five years. Kate Gosselin has called Jon a follower and says she does not want to undermine anything that Jon might be going through right now.

[Coco]

Sorry my post was so long.
I want to wish all of you a

Happy Thanksgiving!

[angiemomof4]

I hear when the little kids are not in school they will be on the show. I am not sure what month it starts just that it is spring. I want to see all the kids & know what is going on with them. We are hooked. I just loved all those great trips. I loved the great organic food. I loved the old house but loved when they moved. I even loved their washer & dryers. There are too many of us out there who want to be a part of their lives and hear about them. We are looking forward to seeing Kate do great and seeing what is going on in her life also. She is still young has her heath and a great home with lots of love to go around.

I wish I was more like Kate. She is nice but strong and pretty. I am not nearly as strong as she is. I am organized though. I totally get how important that is.She makes us all want to do better. Maybe some people feel threatened by women like that. I do not know. I watched the show with my mom from the start when they had the special. I have seen every show at least 2 or more times. I did not watch much lately because of Jon. Everytime I see him I just think he really does not want to be there. I doubt now he ever really did. He was just looking for a way to walk out on his family. Now he has. My dad was the same as him. Just like you saw with M & C in the last show. If my little brother and I would ask for our mom he would get real mean. He did not want us around. Believe me when I say kids know when a parent does not want to be there with them. It felt so bad. I literally got sick to my stomach. One day he quit coming to get us. Soon the bad feelings went away. I do not miss those old days with my dad at all. I thought he was somebody he was not. I lost all trust of him. Some kids never get over it. Some turn out ok. If I could talk to Jon I would tell him that pretty soon him not being there will become normal to his kids. He will put a huge gap between himself and them that he can never fix. Some of the kids will want him back some will decide it is better the same way I did. Jon thinks they will always be there waiting for him. Nope it does not work that way. Those kids will really become even closer with Kate. I know we all did with our mom. Those kids are much better behaved with her because she is much better with them. As simple as that.

Wow your post almost made me cry. My heart just breaks for kids that have to go through that. :sad:

Nothing speaks better than experience. I think you should send Jon an e-mail. He may read it, he may not. He may read it and take the advice, he might not. But at least he will be WARNED.

[birdwatch]

A couple here have multiples (6) and one older child. Their situation is SO different. The children are in school now, but need speech and other therapys; 2 are autistic. The Salvation army and their church members help them out: heve helped make a Christmas for the children . Dad is a teacher (so he can be home to help with homework and be with the kids when school is out) - Mom has been a stay at home mom - but she is studying to be an OR tech and will start working next year. I was thinking that this family represents much more the "norm" for families with multiples.
Jon and Kate should both quit the whining and be counting their blessings to have such healthy children and be able to care for them.

[Justice4all]

Reality Couple Beat West To Turkey Of The Year Dishonour


http://www.newkerala.com/nkfullnews-1-158823.html

[Justice4all]

Celebs we wouldn’t want to come to Thanksgiving dinner


Jon and Kate Gosselin

The Gosselin kids received an early Christmas this year: “Jon & Kate Plus 8” ended this week. Now maybe their parents will get back to their real job: Parenting.


http://www.kansascity.com/238/story/1589269.html

[Coco]

Wow your post almost made me cry. My heart just breaks for kids that have to go through that. :sad:

Nothing speaks better than experience. I think you should send Jon an e-mail. He may read it, he may not. He may read it and take the advice, he might not. But at least he will be WARNED.

Hi. Is there a way to send Jon a email? Sorry I did not mean to make anyone cry.
I wonder all the time what is going on in Kate's head about what Jon is going through. I think she is very afraid for him. I think she would be the person who could talk him down off the ledge. The only problem there is the fact that she knows he would take what she says twist it around and rearrange it then sell it to the highest bidder. Then he would take the money and dig himself a bigger hole. It is such a bad situation.

Jon is one big cry for help. No one in his circle now cares one bit for him. They are all out for their own 15 minutes and money via Jon.

In my opinion

I know there are so many kids out there going through what I went through that have 2 parents who are behaving badly. The blessing here for those kids is that at least Kate is always putting those kids first. She will reap the rewards many times over. Our mom had to be strong and the strict parent even before our dad was gone. That is the best thing and what kids need. She had to risk looking bad to us and the outside world for our own good not hers. Kate and my mom have so much in common. We all would not have it any other way & have turned out really good because of it.

One thing for sure Kate would have never allowed Jon or the family to be taken advantage of. That takes a strong person. My mom always taught me that many people especially other women are threatened by that. She wants me to be stronger with that knowledge.

[Coco]

Barbara must be desperate this year because adam lambert and lady gaga and SC's first lady are also on that list.:rolleyes:


Hi. Do you have a link for more of the list? Thanks I tried to find it myself. How come you think it is desperate? Those people are hot hot hot right now. I dont know much about the first lady but I am going to catch up on all that before the show. We are all excited about it. I am actually thinking Barbra used her brain with this list so far and it spans many generations.

Does anyone know when the show is.
Kate herself has a large multi generation fan based. Just in my family there is everyone from my grandma, mom, me and my younger sib and also my neices and nephews and the kids on the street that I have sat with. We just love to see her and find out about the kids. Only those of us who are hooked could possibly explain the draw of Kate & the kids have. Most of us have been loving that family for years. We really want to see Kate and the kids do good and feel the same for Jon but he needs to get some kind of good influence in his life and help. I have a bad feeling about Jon with the kids. He looks and acts & looks like he is not doing good.
All one has to do to see the popularity of Kate is look at the paparazzi and see the leghths they will go to to get photos of Kate with her kids. They have to pay airfare back and forth, live in hotels, spend time away from their people back home even on holidays just to stand out in a field waiting for a picture that may never come. They are even there today to see who will be there with Kate. Yes they are taking photos of Jon but for an total different reason. He has sadly turned into a train wreck.The only thing he can spin it all into is some bad reality show that will no doubt hurt the kids more. Also he has used it to trash talk the family for money. Kate has used it all in a good way for the kids. Book deals her own show her image and her brand.

America loves when a person comes out and says they have made mistakes and are sorry. We love it when people like Whitney come clean and turn their life around. Many a parent has done much more worse than anything Kate has done. Ever since I saw Oprah I have been a new fan of Whitney. She even turned her old fans back to being fans again and that was after years of trouble. Kate has been doing that and to be on the top ten list for Barbra will just put her over the top. Some people who love to hate her will also be watching.

.
MOO

[withay]

I predict that Jon and Kate will be featured in an article titled "Whatever happened to...?" in about 2014. Mark my words!

[daniel green]

I was drawn to this show as a mother of multiples. It was amusing for me to look back at the younger years and remember how hard it was. No I don't have eight kids, but I do know what it's like to have 3 babies and only two hands, so I can't even imagine what Jon and Kate went through.

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I loved looking back at the babies. They've grown up so fast!

[daniel green]

I hear when the little kids are not in school they will be on the show. I am not sure what month it starts just that it is spring. I want to see all the kids & know what is going on with them. We are hooked. I just loved all those great trips. I loved the great organic food. I loved the old house but loved when they moved. I even loved their washer & dryers. There are too many of us out there who want to be a part of their lives and hear about them. We are looking forward to seeing Kate do great and seeing what is going on in her life also. She is still young has her heath and a great home with lots of love to go around.

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Ditto every word, Coco!

[daniel green]

He Tweeted that he was going to his "grandma's" for Thanksgiving but his girlfriend Hailey Glassman says he lied. "LOL-U are in Utah snowboarding w/"friends"-lol-ur redic," Hailey shot back. So what is going on with these two, anyway? Are they on a "break," as Jon likes to say, or is it something far more permanent. At least we know where Kate Gosselin really is -- at her home, with her kids, and best friends, the Steve Neild family.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/11/hailey-glassman-tells-world-jon-gosselin-lied-calls-him-ridiculous

[daniel green]

Kate Gosselin spent Thanksgiving with her eight children, plus bodyguard/best friend Steve Neild, his wife Ginaand their kids. This is Kate's first Thanksgiving in a decade without soon-to-be-ex husband Jon, and she's estranged from her brother Kevin Kreider who reconciled with Jon last month -- follow that? -- so who better to share turkey with than the Neilds? The festive dinner took place at the Gosselin's Wernersville, PA home.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/11/new-photos-kate-gosselin-spends-thanksgiving-bodyguard-steve-neild-his-family

[*Pinky*]

America loves when a person comes out and says they have made mistakes and are sorry. We love it when people like Whitney come clean and turn their life around. Many a parent has done much more worse than anything Kate has done. Ever since I saw Oprah I have been a new fan of Whitney. She even turned her old fans back to being fans again and that was after years of trouble. Kate has been doing that and to be on the top ten list for Barbra will just put her over the top. Some people who love to hate her will also be watching.
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MOO

I agree with your post.

Kate and the kids are a package deal.Everyone for the most part wants to see Kate and the kids do good. I really am looking forward to the new show and seeing the kids. I am glad we will not be seeing Jon. I just did not look at him the same after this all started.

Glad Jon is off the show! Hope he gets his life together but I am not holding my breath! There is no comparison between Jon and Kate. Like oil and water.

[*Pinky*]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/11/hailey-glassman-tells-world-jon-gosselin-lied-calls-him-ridiculous

Thanks for the link. I can just picture that. Who needs kids when you have Utah. Disgusting.

[*Pinky*]

Wow your post almost made me cry. My heart just breaks for kids that have to go through that. :sad:

Nothing speaks better than experience. I think you should send Jon an e-mail. He may read it, he may not. He may read it and take the advice, he might not. But at least he will be WARNED.

I want to cry also. How sad and like you said there it is in black and white. Experience. Men and women who do this to their kids is so wrong.

[*Pinky*]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/11/hailey-glassman-tells-world-jon-gosselin-lied-calls-him-ridiculous

I wonder if he even calls his kids. What will he say when they ask him where he is? I remember at the birthday for the tups and he told his daughter that sometimes daddies have to work. Liar Liar!!

[*Pinky*]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/11/new-photos-kate-gosselin-spends-thanksgiving-bodyguard-steve-neild-his-family

Although there were once rumors that Kate and Steve were more than bodyguard and bodyguardee -- rumors Jon helped promote -- Kate has spoken about how much she has relied on Steve and Gina for support through her divorce. "They're my best friends," Kate said.
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If he got paid to start that rumor of a lie. It will come out in the TLC case. Maybe even if he didn't because it goes against a person on the show. The guy brags all the time about the stupid things he does. I think of what he could of told anyone. Most all those people are mad at Jon and are probably beating down TLC doors with wrongs he has done.

[angiemomof4]

I wonder if he even calls his kids. What will he say when they ask him where he is? I remember at the birthday for the tups and he told his daughter that sometimes daddies have to work. Liar Liar!!

I remember that scene. I just wanted to smack his lying face so bad!!

[*Pinky*]

I remember that scene. I just wanted to smack his lying face so bad!!

Oh I know and he did not even want to help get things together for the party leaving it all on Kate's shoulders. I can only imagine what he was really finding of greater inportance and we may find out in court.

[Coco]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/11/hailey-glassman-tells-world-jon-gosselin-lied-calls-him-ridiculous

Why does anything he does ever surprise me.
I just wonder if he ever planed on spending Thanksgiving with them. If it is not a custody day then why did he ever tell anyone he would be with them. Did he tell them that he would be with them? Now there will photos of him in Utah having a blast while those kids are spending their first Thanksgiving without them. you would think he would of tried to be low key about this. I would like to know when he plans on coming back to grace his kids with his greatness. Just another reason I am so happy those kids have Kate. I do not even want to think about how their life would be if both parents were like him. Makes you want to know his plans for Xmas. Or not want to know.

Been there had that done to me many times.
No wonder why he never even raised a finger to fight for custody. When it snows in Utah guess you have to drop your kids and go. I feel so bad for Kate and the kids.

[Coco]

I remember that scene. I just wanted to smack his lying face so bad!!

I know I know. Was that just not a look into his way of life. Now Utah for Thanksgiving.
I wish he would quit pulling these things on those kids. He probably changed his plans for Thanksgiving from his mothers to grandma because the paparazzi found out where the mom lives. So he said grandma knowing he would be in Utah.

[Coco]

A couple here have multiples (6) and one older child. Their situation is SO different. The children are in school now, but need speech and other therapys; 2 are autistic. The Salvation army and their church members help them out: heve helped make a Christmas for the children . Dad is a teacher (so he can be home to help with homework and be with the kids when school is out) - Mom has been a stay at home mom - but she is studying to be an OR tech and will start working next year. I was thinking that this family represents much more the "norm" for families with multiples.
Jon and Kate should both quit the whining and be counting their blessings to have such healthy children and be able to care for them.

Good to see people are helping them out. Hopefully the write up will bring more help. Cute family.

After ABC's "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition" built a 5,000-square-foot house in 2005 for a Center Point couple with sextuplets and a son, many sus*pected the family had it made.

There's no mortgage, but Chris and Diamond Harris say they still struggle to make ends meet on one income -- Chris Harris' teacher's salary.

They spend $800 to $1,000 a month on groceries, and their power bill averages about $500 a month. They also pay life insurance, property taxes, medical bills,

[Coco]

Ditto every word, Coco!

People who never watched the show until this past year really dont get it. They watch it not in hindsight then they try to find things wrong or they only see clips.

Bye Jon! Hello Kate and the kids!

[Coco]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/11/hailey-glassman-tells-world-jon-gosselin-lied-calls-him-ridiculous

Jon blamed Kate for him not being able to see his family. Now he has ditched his family to go off to Utah for Thanksgiving. Now who is he going to blame.

She did the little kids birthday party all by herself.
She did the twins birthday party by herself.
She did Halloween for the kids by herself.
She has now done Thanksgiving by herself for the kids.
She even did her own birthday by herself while Jon was on a Utah vacation with the teacher.

I wonder what a judge will think when he looks at this. Then there is all the other mean stupid things he has done to hurt those kids and Kate. He has gone to far. Way way too far.
Jon is going to end up with nothing.

MO

[Casecase]

Are you taking about the Harris family? I have a lot of respect for how Diamond and Chris are dealing with things. They live in the neighborhood I grew up in.
My mom sent me this link today. IMO, there are some really harsh comments at the end of this story.

http://blog.al.com/birmingham-news-stories/2009/11/harris_sextuplets_of_alabama_g.html

After reading about the Harris' financial struggles, it makes even more sense why Jon & Kate signed up to do the reality show in the first place and why Kate was trying so desperately to hang onto it. It's all well and good to say they should go a "real job" but then the flip side is how well does that real job provide for the family? Chris Harris has a "real job" and look at the struggles they face. They're together and they're nottabloid fodder, but at the same time, I'll bet they cry a lot of tears and spend a lot of nights awake wondering how they're going to provide for the kids and wishing they could do more for them.


IMO

[Justice4all]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/11/new-photos-kate-gosselin-spends-thanksgiving-bodyguard-steve-neild-his-family

I'm not shocked that she didn't spend the holiday with her family and instead spent it with the bodyguard that she pays.

I kind of feel sorry for Kate. She's pushed her whole family away.


MHO

[Justice4all]

After reading about the Harris' financial struggles, it makes even more sense why Jon & Kate signed up to do the reality show in the first place and why Kate was trying so desperately to hang onto it. It's all well and good to say they should go a "real job" but then the flip side is how well does that real job provide for the family? Chris Harris has a "real job" and look at the struggles they face. They're together and they're nottabloid fodder, but at the same time, I'll bet they cry a lot of tears and spend a lot of nights awake wondering how they're going to provide for the kids and wishing they could do more for them.


IMO

Thank God the Harris's did not exploit their children. They may not have a lot of money but they have a loving marriage, support of their family, friends and church.


:rose: for the Harris Family

[Mnchkin426]

Is there any verification that Jon is snowboarding in Utah or just what Hailey has to say? That could be enough but it would probably be better to have more than one
source....since Hailey seems to be bitter. Am surprised that there aren't any pictures, too.

JMO

[Justice4all]

Jon blamed Kate for him not being able to see his family. Now he has ditched his family to go off to Utah for Thanksgiving. Now who is he going to blame.

She did the little kids birthday party all by herself.
She did the twins birthday party by herself.
She did Halloween for the kids by herself.
She has now done Thanksgiving by herself for the kids.
She even did her own birthday by herself while Jon was on a Utah vacation with the teacher.

I wonder what a judge will think when he looks at this. Then there is all the other mean stupid things he has done to hurt those kids and Kate. He has gone to far. Way way too far.
Jon is going to end up with nothing.

MO


She didn't have to do all that by herself, Jon wanted to be there, He wanted to help and lets not forget she sent him text messages saying not to come, only stay two hours and stuff like that.

[Justice4all]

Is there any verification that Jon is snowboarding in Utah or just what Hailey has to say? That could be enough but it would probably be better to have more than one
source....since Hailey seems to be bitter. Am surprised that there aren't any pictures, too.

JMO

It wasn't on the insider last night. They showed Levi but nothing about Jon. but i'm pretty shocked he was able to go snowboarding without paps taking one picture.


MHO

[Mnchkin426]

I'm not shocked that she didn't spend the holiday with her family and instead spent it with the bodyguard that she pays.

I kind of feel sorry for Kate. She's pushed her whole family away.


MHO

More anti-Kate sentiment....even during the holidays. How nice!

JMO

[Mnchkin426]

She didn't have to do all that by herself, Jon wanted to be there, He wanted to help and lets not forget she sent him text messages saying not to come, only stay two hours and stuff like that.

How about finishing the story......Kate relented and Jon stayed considerably longer.... and wasted much time smoking and talking to the paps instead of being with the twins. Pretty selfish IMO.

JMO

[Justice4all]

How about finishing the story......Kate relented and Jon stayed considerably longer.... and wasted much time smoking and talking to the paps instead of being with the twins. Pretty selfish IMO.

JMO

beyond selfish IMO. Jon really has changed a lot. but then again so has kate. Of course Jon stayed longer, it was a joint custody day and there was nothing Kate could do about it. I can't wait to see how Kate acts on the first holiday she doesn't get to see her children. Will she call the police, cry out in the driveway or get mad and throw a temper tantrum. I suspect it will be a combo of all three.


MHO

[Shells2]

More anti-Kate sentiment....even during the holidays. How nice!

JMO


You should direct that comment the anti-Jon sentiments that are posted - there are a lot more of those than the anti-Kates - did you miss them or are those ones ok in your book? - it's just Kate that people shouldn't post anything neagative about ?

Because from where I sit, they are equally as responsible for the damage that is being done to their children now..

[Casecase]

beyond selfish IMO. Jon really has changed a lot. but then again so has kate. Of course Jon stayed longer, it was a joint custody day and there was nothing Kate could do about it. I can't wait to see how Kate acts on the first holiday she doesn't get to see her children. Will she call the police, cry out in the driveway or get mad and throw a temper tantrum. I suspect it will be a combo of all three.


MHO

You never know, Kate might have successfully negotiated so that she doesn't have to spend any holidays without the children.


IMO

[Casecase]

Thank God the Harris's did not exploit their children. They may not have a lot of money but they have a loving marriage, support of their family, friends and church.


:rose: for the Harris Family


Unfortunately, a loving marriage doesn't keep the utilities turned on and food on the table. Yes, it's good that they have support from their family, friends and church. Hopefully it will continue, especially in this economy.


IMO

[angiemomof4]

beyond selfish IMO. Jon really has changed a lot. but then again so has kate. Of course Jon stayed longer, it was a joint custody day and there was nothing Kate could do about it. I can't wait to see how Kate acts on the first holiday she doesn't get to see her children. Will she call the police, cry out in the driveway or get mad and throw a temper tantrum. I suspect it will be a combo of all three.


MHO

As a devoted mother of 4, I can only imagine how I would feel if DH and I split up and I had to spend Christmas day seperated from my kids. I can only imagine how traumatic it would be...I KNOW I would be crying out in the driveway and throwing plenty of "temper tantrums".

I think it's extremely insensitive to criticize Kate for dealing with the devastation of being seperated from her kids. Heaven forbid Kate would love her kids so much!!! My goodness!

Have YOU ever been faced with that reality? I have and the thought of it literally made me sick to my stomach. Thank God my husband and I worked things out and it never became a reality for me, but Kate Gosselin has MY sympathy and full support for what she is facing right now...something that no mother should ever have to face. I don't care how imperfect she is!

[birdwatch]

Are you taking about the Harris family? I have a lot of respect for how Diamond and Chris are dealing with things. They live in the neighborhood I grew up in.
My mom sent me this link today. IMO, there are some really harsh comments at the end of this story.

http://blog.al.com/birmingham-news-stories/2009/11/harris_sextuplets_of_alabama_g.html That's the one Poppy - wow! The haters didn't a break for Thanksgiving, did they?They should save their ire for our politicians' continuing side show, eh?
Sad. I think these people seem to be hardworking and responsible. And their kids have a lot of medical problems. They are doing the best they can.
Jon and Kate should just take a deep breath and count their blessings.

[Shells2]

As a devoted mother of 4, I can only imagine how I would feel if DH and I split up and I had to spend Christmas day seperated from my kids. I can only imagine how traumatic it would be...I KNOW I would be crying out in the driveway and throwing plenty of "temper tantrums".

I think it's extremely insensitive to criticize Kate for dealing with the devastation of being seperated from her kids. Heaven forbid Kate would love her kids so much!!! My goodness!

Have YOU ever been faced with that reality? I have and the thought of it literally made me sick to my stomach. Thank God my husband and I worked things out and it never became a reality for me, but Kate Gosselin has MY sympathy and full support for what she is facing right now...something that no mother should ever have to face. I don't care how imperfect she is!


With the divorce rate as high as it is, Kate is not alone in what she deals with, and neither is Jon. It has to be tough on both parents spending the holidays away from their kids. Kate herself said that they map everything out on a calendar together, as to who sees them when etc. Kate was gone an awful lot, by choice, when she was promoting her book and doing speaking arrangements, and Jon was home with the kids.

Now that the separation from the kids is mandated, it must be horrible for both parents..

[Shells2]

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She did the twins birthday party by herself.


MO


I remember that.. when she sent Jon a text message saying he couldn't spend the day with the kids , that he could only see them for a couple of hours.. That was really sad - I bet the twins would have loved spending the day with both their parents.. :sad:

[Justice4all]

More anti-Kate sentiment....even during the holidays. How nice!

JMO

But it's okay for more anti-Jon sentiment? :confused:

[Justice4all]

As a devoted mother of 4, I can only imagine how I would feel if DH and I split up and I had to spend Christmas day seperated from my kids. I can only imagine how traumatic it would be...I KNOW I would be crying out in the driveway and throwing plenty of "temper tantrums".

I think it's extremely insensitive to criticize Kate for dealing with the devastation of being seperated from her kids. Heaven forbid Kate would love her kids so much!!! My goodness!

Have YOU ever been faced with that reality? I have and the thought of it literally made me sick to my stomach. Thank God my husband and I worked things out and it never became a reality for me, but Kate Gosselin has MY sympathy and full support for what she is facing right now...something that no mother should ever have to face. I don't care how imperfect she is!

No i've never had to face that reality. When i divorced my first husband it was because he killed our son.

and when Kate asked for a divorce she should have realized this kind of stuff would happen.

MHO

[Mnchkin426]

You should direct that comment the anti-Jon sentiments that are posted - there are a lot more of those than the anti-Kates - did you miss them or are those ones ok in your book? - it's just Kate that people shouldn't post anything neagative about ?

Because from where I sit, they are equally as responsible for the damage that is being done to their children now..

Fine...you're entitled to your opinon. IMO, negative comments might be withheld, or kept to a minimum, during the holdays in keeping with the spirit of the season no matter who they are directed at. And, in case you didn't notice, I questioned the validity of the negative comments about Jon being in Utah, which IMO indicates that I don't think they are okay.

JMO

[Shells2]

How about finishing the story......Kate relented and Jon stayed considerably longer.... and wasted much time smoking and talking to the paps instead of being with the twins. Pretty selfish IMO.

JMO

kate "relented"... come on!! It never should have been something to "relent" on ~ she should try to encourage jon and her to celebrate every single holiday and special time together with their kids to help them through this transition.. It's very selfish on her part IMO to keep their father from them.

Please don't overdramatize the situation, he went outside for a cigarette, the paps were there, what is the big deal... he didn't "waste much time" I suppose that bathroom breaks should be deducted as wasted time as well... sheesh...

[Mnchkin426]

kate "relented"... come on!! It never should have been something to "relent" on ~ she should try to encourage jon and her to celebrate every single holiday and special time together with their kids to help them through this transition.. It's very selfish on her part IMO to keep their father from them.

Please don't overdramatize the situation, he went outside for a cigarette, the paps were there, what is the big deal... he didn't "waste much time" I suppose that bathroom breaks should be deducted as wasted time as well... sheesh...

Your opinion.....not mine.

JMO

[Shells2]

Fine...you're entitled to your opinon. IMO, negative comments might be withheld, or kept to a minimum, during the holdays in keeping with the spirit of the season no matter who they are directed at. And, in case you didn't notice, I questioned the validity of the negative comments about Jon being in Utah, which IMO indicates that I don't think they are okay.

JMO

Mnchkin426
Is Jon really in Utah?
Is there any verification that Jon is snowboarding in Utah or just what Hailey has to say?
JMO


Originally Posted by Mnchkin426 View Post
More anti-Kate sentiment....even during the holidays. How nice!

JMO


do you see the difference between these posts ?? I didn't see any "more anti-jon sentiment even during the holidays. How nice!" directed at the posters who criticized jon...

[Shells2]

Your opinion.....not mine.

JMO


Not my opinion.. facts. That's what I stick to. Your accusation has emotion "wasting time" etc.. My states he went out for a cigarette.

The fact is he went outside for a cigarette and the paps were there. That's all we know. Anything else is accusations and assumptions IMO.

[Shells2]

No i've never had to face that reality. When i divorced my first husband it was because he killed our son.



Omigosh.. I'm so sorry you had to endure that ... no one should have to go through what you have :rose:

[Marrigan]

the sanctity of marriage broadcast for all to see?....

"The Gospel and the Gosselins"

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2009/juneweb-only/122-11.0.html

Bless you, Lisa, for posting this article! Bar none, this is absolutely the best perspective and analysis I have read on the whole J&K+8 phenom.
And I say this, not just from a Christian viewpoint, but as an armchair critic of reality tv as pop culture entertainment.

It seems that our society, and even too many church folks, have gone so far afield with this "non-judgmental" attitude, that we've lost the will for critical thinking. Worse still, whatever criteria was used to evaluate J&K for invitro, it was woefully inadequate. But, as these things go, we always end up sighing, "well, the children are already here, so we have to make the best of it..." The question now is "Is there anything we can do to prevent other people from pursuing these multiple births when they are so obviously ill-equipped to care for the children?"

I don't know what the answer is, but for J&K, we should try cutting the ties with them. If there's no audience, the money that provides for a luxury lifestyle will dry up. Maybe we all, including them, will be the better for it.

[Mnchkin426]

Mnchkin426
Is Jon really in Utah?
Is there any verification that Jon is snowboarding in Utah or just what Hailey has to say?
JMO


Originally Posted by Mnchkin426 View Post
More anti-Kate sentiment....even during the holidays. How nice!

JMO


do you see the difference between these posts ?? I didn't see any "more anti-jon sentiment even during the holidays. How nice!" directed at the posters who criticized jon...

OK...I didn't express it the same way but I implied that more information was needed before criticizing Jon. If you didn't see it that way, I can't help it.

JMO

[Mnchkin426]

Not my opinion.. facts. That's what I stick to. Your accusation has emotion "wasting time" etc.. My states he went out for a cigarette.

The fact is he went outside for a cigarette and the paps were there. That's all we know. Anything else is accusations and assumptions IMO.

Not emotion....opinion. Smoking and speaking with the paps is a waste of time in my opinion. And where were the paps exactly? Up by the house? No....they were down by the fence (you could hear the cars). Jon had to purposefully walk down to the fence to talk to them....he had invited ET to be there....had been streaming live. I deal with facts as well.

Now I'm going to go do some Christmas shopping. Bye, bye....have a good day.

JMO

[Shells2]

OK...I didn't express it the same way but I implied that more information was needed before criticizing Jon. If you didn't see it that way, I can't help it.

JMO

Sorry... I just found it a little funny that the first post is a sarcastic post about that making anti- kate comments especially during the holidays, and then the very next post a few minutes later, you are calling Jon selfish and passing judgement on how he spends his time.

But it could be how I read it :smile:

[daniel green]

Jon blamed Kate for him not being able to see his family. Now he has ditched his family to go off to Utah for Thanksgiving. Now who is he going to blame.

She did the little kids birthday party all by herself.
She did the twins birthday party by herself.
She did Halloween for the kids by herself.
She has now done Thanksgiving by herself for the kids.
She even did her own birthday by herself while Jon was on a Utah vacation with the teacher.

I wonder what a judge will think when he looks at this. Then there is all the other mean stupid things he has done to hurt those kids and Kate. He has gone to far. Way way too far.
Jon is going to end up with nothing.

MO

Interesting! I hadn't put it all together like that. Thank you!

[daniel green]

How about finishing the story......Kate relented and Jon stayed considerably longer.... and wasted much time smoking and talking to the paps instead of being with the twins. Pretty selfish IMO.

JMO

And he only wanted to go, to begin with, to get the Paps and ET to follow him from curbiside to watch-shopping to cake pick up, bus pickup and stopping the car for Paps to take pictures.

[daniel green]

beyond selfish IMO. Jon really has changed a lot. but then again so has kate. Of course Jon stayed longer, it was a joint custody day and there was nothing Kate could do about it. I can't wait to see how Kate acts on the first holiday she doesn't get to see her children. Will she call the police, cry out in the driveway or get mad and throw a temper tantrum. I suspect it will be a combo of all three.


MHO

Well, as she will be the primary custodian of her children, she won't have to any of those things.

[daniel green]

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I think it's extremely insensitive to criticize Kate for dealing with the devastation of being seperated from her kids. Heaven forbid Kate would love her kids so much!!! My goodness!

!

No kidding. Most especially when the kids were being watched by the nanny who worked as a shots girl at a bar, had her own child there with Kate's children, in the house Kate was paying--and Jon wasn't there.

[Justice4all]

Well, as she will be the primary custodian of her children, she won't have to any of those things.

Jon will never have the children for holidays?

[Shells2]

And he only wanted to go, to begin with, to get the Paps and ET to follow him from curbiside to watch-shopping to cake pick up, bus pickup and stopping the car for Paps to take pictures.


Do you have a link to support the accusation that that was the only reason he wanted to go, or that that was even a part of the reason? Because, really a dad wanting to spend the kids birthday with them isn't really that far-fetched, but the above accusation certainly is, so I'm hoping you have something valid to back that up...

[Shells2]

Jon will never have the children for holidays?


I don't think the poster understands primary custody and what it entails. Either that, or he has changed his tune and thinks that kate is a monster who won't let their children see their father on any holiday...

I sure hope it's the former... :confused:

[Justice4all]

If a parent is primary custodial parent and the noncustodial parent doesn't even get the children for every other holiday why in the world would they have to pay child support? Now before any of you accuse me of saying JON should not pay child support STOP. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying I don't understand.

I thought with primary custodial parent and a noncustodial parent I thought they still rotated holidays...I honestly had no clue the noncustodial parent basically only gets to see the children on weekends. Or do they even get that?

Maybe I should go read some.

[Shells2]

No kidding. Most especially when the kids were being watched by the nanny who worked as a shots girl at a bar, had her own child there with Kate's children, in the house Kate was paying--and Jon wasn't there.

Are you saying that it's all Kate's money? And that they are violating an arbritation order and Kate is paying for it all with her money and not Jons ?? I didn't realize that the assets had been legally divided by the divorce already... when did that happen?


I wonder who's money paid for the nannies when they both were out of town?

[Justice4all]

No kidding. Most especially when the kids were being watched by the nanny who worked as a shots girl at a bar, had her own child there with Kate's children, in the house Kate was paying--and Jon wasn't there.

I thought Jon and Kate were both paying 7500 a month for the house,children and all that stuff :confused:

[Shells2]

If a parent is primary custodial parent and the noncustodial parent doesn't even get the children for every other holiday why in the world would they have to pay child support? Now before any of you accuse me of saying JON should not pay child support STOP. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying I don't understand.

I thought with primary custodial parent and a noncustodial parent I thought they still rotated holidays...I honestly had no clue the noncustodial parent basically only gets to see the children on weekends. Or do they even get that?

Maybe I should go read some.

Primary custody has nothing to do with holiday arrangements. It has to do with giving the parent that the couple agree upon ( the one the children will reside with more of the time than the other ~ even if it is split 51% to 49% ) that gives them the legal right to make decisions in day to day care, and emergency situations without getting input from the other parent.

This does not affect visitation agreements, or anything like that. By Jon giving Kate primary custody, he is giving her legal rights to make some decisions about their children without first consulting him. That's really it.

[daniel green]

Primary custody has nothing to do with holiday arrangements. It has to do with giving the parent that the couple agree upon ( the one the children will reside with more of the time than the other ~ even if it is split 51% to 49% ) that gives them the legal right to make decisions in day to day care, and emergency situations without getting input from the other parent.

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I've provided links many times, as to what primary custody entails. And it has nothing to do with physical custody.

[*Onmyknervz*]

Primary Physical Custody

Primary physical custody is a term that is often used to denote the parent with whom a child spends or lives the great majority of time with. It is a term that is often used in cases where parents are awarded joint physical custody and one parent has slightly more time than the other. In states where there is no statutory language to define the legal meaning of primary physical custody can create confusion with its interpretation, particularly in "move-away cases."

http://www.childcustodycoach.com/physical-custody.html


Unless either parent is deemed unfit, I don't know why they wouldn't be splitting the holiday's and vacation time.

[Shells2]

I've provided links many times, as to what primary custody entails. And it has nothing to do with physical custody.


So why, in response to someone posting about kate being away from the children for some holidays, would you make the comment .........

Well, as she will be the primary custodian of her children, she won't have to any of those things.



One doesn't have anything to do with the other... so I think you might be a little confused on the subject.

[Shells2]

Primary Physical Custody

Primary physical custody is a term that is often used to denote the parent with whom a child spends or lives the great majority of time with. It is a term that is often used in cases where parents are awarded joint physical custody and one parent has slightly more time than the other. In states where there is no statutory language to define the legal meaning of primary physical custody can create confusion with its interpretation, particularly in "move-away cases."

http://www.childcustodycoach.com/physical-custody.html


Unless either parent is deemed unfit, I don't know why they wouldn't be splitting the holiday's and vacation time.


Right.. and visitation rights have nothing to do with the assignment of primary/physical custody..

[Justice4all]

I've provided links many times, as to what primary custody entails. And it has nothing to do with physical custody.

Your link doesn't say anything about the non-custodial parent not being able to have their children for holiday's .


http://constructiveagreement.com/CustodyStructures.html

[Justice4all]

Right.. and visitation rights have nothing to do with the assignment of primary/physical custody..

ITA...it's not like Kate got sole custody or anything like that.

[Shells2]

ITA...it's not like Kate got sole custody or anything like that.


Exactly! She can not dictate how often and what holidays the children spend with their father. They either mutually agree upon it and present it to the court, or the court will figure it out for them. I don't know why anyone would think otherwise.. it's the law,

[Coco]

She didn't have to do all that by herself, Jon wanted to be there, He wanted to help and lets not forget she sent him text messages saying not to come, only stay two hours and stuff like that.

I doubt very much that Kate wanted Jon in Utah snowboarding with another women on her birthday. I do not see that happening at all.

[Coco]

It wasn't on the insider last night. They showed Levi but nothing about Jon. but i'm pretty shocked he was able to go snowboarding without paps taking one picture.


MHO It was a Thanksgiving day re-cap. Probably will be tonight also.

[Coco]

How about finishing the story......Kate relented and Jon stayed considerably longer.... and wasted much time smoking and talking to the paps instead of being with the twins. Pretty selfish IMO.

JMO He also brought a camera crew. He got paid to go. This was after he said cameras were bad for the kids.

[Coco]

Unfortunately, a loving marriage doesn't keep the utilities turned on and food on the table. Yes, it's good that they have support from their family, friends and church. Hopefully it will continue, especially in this economy.


IMO

Really. Thankfully they were able to get a free house and the other donations. With every article of them hopefully people will keep pulling together for them especially this time of year.

[Coco]

As a devoted mother of 4, I can only imagine how I would feel if DH and I split up and I had to spend Christmas day seperated from my kids. I can only imagine how traumatic it would be...I KNOW I would be crying out in the driveway and throwing plenty of "temper tantrums".

I think it's extremely insensitive to criticize Kate for dealing with the devastation of being separated from her kids. Heaven forbid Kate would love her kids so much!!! My goodness!

Have YOU ever been faced with that reality? I have and the thought of it literally made me sick to my stomach. Thank God my husband and I worked things out and it never became a reality for me, but Kate Gosselin has MY sympathy and full support for what she is facing right now...something that no mother should ever have to face. I don't care how imperfect she is!

I love your post. The one time Kate got upset it was when than lover?/ bar girl/turned into nanny was there. Kate had every right to be upset. I would be furious. My mom said she would have jumped the fence. It showed Jon she was not going to stand by for all his shenanigans.

My mom is a really good mom and person. She is like Kate and has to be strong and show that side of her to the world because otherwise people would have taken advantage of us. Our dad really did us wrong. Our mom picked up the pieces like Kate is doing now regardless of those few who wanted to see her fail. It is because some are being selfish and jealousy has taken over any kind of love for 8 great little kids. They dont get the love many of us feel for those kids.

Kate is a protective strong women we look up to. She has our full support a well and we see that Kate is doing a great job.

[Coco]

Not emotion....opinion. Smoking and speaking with the paps is a waste of time in my opinion. And where were the paps exactly? Up by the house? No....they were down by the fence (you could hear the cars). Jon had to purposefully walk down to the fence to talk to them....he had invited ET to be there....had been streaming live. I deal with facts as well.

Now I'm going to go do some Christmas shopping. Bye, bye....have a good day.

JMO I agree with you. Fact is there is just no excuse for the way he did that birthday for the twins. He got paid for all that. As hard as anyone attempts to make it right it is wrong wrong wrong. We saw this big drama beginning with Thanksgiving and am thinking possibly he was going to bring cameras again. Who knows but for whatever reason his plans changed. I wish someone good was around Jon to talk to him about all this.

[Justice4all]

I agree with you. Fact is there is just no excuse for the way he did that birthday for the twins. He got paid for all that. As hard as anyone attempts to make it right it is wrong wrong wrong. We saw this big drama beginning with Thanksgiving and am thinking possibly he was going to bring cameras again. Who knows but for whatever reason his plans changed. I wish someone good was around Jon to talk to him about all this.

Haven't Jon and Kate both been paid for most of the birthdays?:blink:

[Justice4all]

I doubt very much that Kate wanted Jon in Utah snowboarding with another women on her birthday. I do not see that happening at all.

Did kate just want Jon to sit at his house in NY and do nothing? She sure didn't want him with his children today. I wonder if she will deny him Christmas too.

[Justice4all]

It was a Thanksgiving day re-cap. Probably will be tonight also.

I wonder why none of the paps got pictures of Jon snowboarding. and doesn't Jon's family live in Utah? Why not go out skiing or snowboarding before or after dinner.......I know my children have went skiing before Christmas dinner is Aspen with their friends before we all got together for dinner. Nothing wrong with spending time with family and friends.

[*Pinky*]

Haven't Jon and Kate both been paid for most of the birthdays?:blink:

Jon did it after he told the world cameras were bad for the kids. Jon can't have it both ways. I just can't think of anything that would excuse his behavior and how it will impact on those children. I am just relieved they have Kate.

[*Pinky*]

I doubt very much that Kate wanted Jon in Utah snowboarding with another women on her birthday. I do not see that happening at all.

ITA she even had to bake her own birthday cake. That trip to Utah was the final straw for me. He not only snuck the teacher on board but her friend as well. He thought he got one past Kate, TLC and the American public when we saw the show. To think he did it in the name of handicapped kids.

Now I see he wants to start a foundation in the name of needy kids. Right!! I am all for charity but I would never fund anything in his name. He would have to do a major turn around for me to ever put speck of trust in him. The American public hates being lied to.

[Justice4all]

Jon did it after he told the world cameras were bad for the kids. Jon can't have it both ways. I just can't think of anything that would excuse his behavior and how it will impact on those children. I am just relieved they have Kate.

Do you have proof Jon got paid for that?

[*Pinky*]

As a devoted mother of 4, I can only imagine how I would feel if DH and I split up and I had to spend Christmas day seperated from my kids. I can only imagine how traumatic it would be...I KNOW I would be crying out in the driveway and throwing plenty of "temper tantrums".

I think it's extremely insensitive to criticize Kate for dealing with the devastation of being seperated from her kids. Heaven forbid Kate would love her kids so much!!! My goodness!

Have YOU ever been faced with that reality? I have and the thought of it literally made me sick to my stomach. Thank God my husband and I worked things out and it never became a reality for me, but Kate Gosselin has MY sympathy and full support for what she is facing right now...something that no mother should ever have to face. I don't care how imperfect she is!

Very good post. She has my support as well. She would have to do something bad before I would ever think twice in giving up on her. I just love her 8 little dolls too.

Yes I totally stand behind her and anyone who only wants the best for their children and works as hard as Kate does. She is one hard-worker no one can say otherwise.

Good luck Kate!! I cant wait to see your show and those lovely beautiful kids.

[Justice4all]

-snipped-

Now I see he wants to start a foundation in the name of needy kids. Right!! I am all for charity but I would never fund anything in his name. He would have to do a major turn around for me to ever put speck of trust in him. The American public hates being lied to.

Jon does a lot for needy children. He even went on a walk for Autism a few months ago.

What exactly has Kate done for charity without the cameras following her?

[Justice4all]

Very good post. She has my support as well. She would have to do something bad before I would ever think twice in giving up on her. I just love her 8 little dolls too.

Yes I totally stand behind her and anyone who only wants the best for their children and works as hard as Kate does. She is one hard-worker no one can say otherwise.

Good luck Kate!! I cant wait to see your show and those lovely beautiful kids.

ohh no doubt in my mind kate's a hard worker. She's worked very hard to exploit her children IMO

[Shells2]

Jon did it after he told the world cameras were bad for the kids. Jon can't have it both ways. I just can't think of anything that would excuse his behavior and how it will impact on those children. I am just relieved they have Kate.



I missed the pictures of jon and the kids on the twins birthday....... ohhhhhhhh that's right ~ There weren't any. It was just him.

So that's not having anything both ways when ya think about it.

[Casecase]

Jon does a lot for needy children. He even went on a walk for Autism a few months ago.

What exactly has Kate done for charity without the cameras following her?


Unless the public is somehow psychic, how would we know what either of them are doing for charity unless a camera caught it????

The same day Jon did his autism walk Kate did the ice skating charity event.

IMO

[*Pinky*]

Do you have proof Jon got paid for that?
That is what the whole TLC lawsuit is based on. Jon getting paid by ET and the Insider. That and the possibility of Jon breaking moral issues in his contract.

He brought a camera crew with him to his daughters birthday after he went on shows saying he no longer wanted cameras crews around them. He said it was bad for them and he could no longer be a party to it. The payment for such a breach is not the bigger issue here. The fact is he did something to his children he had already declared as bad for them. He said he was protecting them.

I agree he cannot have it both ways. I think Jon needs help. Not excuses.

[*Pinky*]

I missed the pictures of jon and the kids on the twins birthday....... ohhhhhhhh that's right ~ There weren't any. It was just him.

So that's not having anything both ways when ya think about it.

Look back I am sure there is not just stills but actual video from that day. It first showed on ET. I believe their birthday is either Oct 6 or 7, so it should be easy enough to find.

[*Pinky*]

Not emotion....opinion. Smoking and speaking with the paps is a waste of time in my opinion. And where were the paps exactly? Up by the house? No....they were down by the fence (you could hear the cars). Jon had to purposefully walk down to the fence to talk to them....he had invited ET to be there....had been streaming live. I deal with facts as well.

Now I'm going to go do some Christmas shopping. Bye, bye....have a good day.

JMO
I always wondered in what world Jon would think all that was alright. First he says one thing then another. Just like his lie lie lie shirt. What was that all about??

I do hope in some form he can get help. When was the last time he saw his kids anyway?? Seems like a long long time to me.

Did my Black Friday shopping. Very good deals. The best I have ever got!! Sign me happy!!

[*Pinky*]

No i've never had to face that reality. When i divorced my first husband it was because he killed our son.

and when Kate asked for a divorce she should have realized this kind of stuff would happen.

MHO Oh how terrible that must be for you that you have to live with such a tragedy. I sure hope you have friends and family around especially this time of year. Sorry for your loss.

[Shells2]

Look back I am sure there is not just stills but actual video from that day. It first showed on ET. I believe their birthday is either Oct 6 or 7, so it should be easy enough to find.

Not of the kids! There is footage of Jon, when he came out to smoke or something, as another poster pointed out. I don't think there was any pictures or video of the kids. Certainly nothing orchestrated by Jon..

[Justice4all]

Unless the public is somehow psychic, how would we know what either of them are doing for charity unless a camera caught it????

The same day Jon did his autism walk Kate did the ice skating charity event.

IMO

For less then a MINUTE :lol:


http://uk.eonline.com/uberblog/b146596_kate_gosselin_on_ice_true_diva_show.html

I think this says it all ...........LMBO

Near the beginning of the show, she stepped out to a crowd chanting her name and introduced Derrick Delmore. And that was it.

"She did her little speech in the beginning of the show and left," Weir says. "Kate Gosselin was playing the diva act…I was disappointed to meet her and I was so disappointed she was involved in the show. It was such a waste."



typical Kate MHO

[Justice4all]

Look back I am sure there is not just stills but actual video from that day. It first showed on ET. I believe their birthday is either Oct 6 or 7, so it should be easy enough to find.

Who cares..they were outside the fence. There were no photos/videos of the children during the party.

[Casecase]

For less then a MINUTE :lol:


http://uk.eonline.com/uberblog/b146596_kate_gosselin_on_ice_true_diva_show.html

I think this says it all ...........LMBO




typical Kate MHO


You asked about a charity thing, I posted a charity thing, but now she didn't spend enough time at the event. {sigh} Have you ever seen telethons or other televised fundraisers where a personality or star comes out just to introduce someone or to do one performance or speech? It's not like they have to be on stage for hours!


IMO

[Justice4all]

You asked about a charity thing, I posted a charity thing, but now she didn't spend enough time at the event. {sigh} Have you ever seen telethons or other televised fundraisers where a personality or star comes out just to introduce someone or to do one performance or speech? It's not like they have to be on stage for hours!


IMO

yes i know i asked about the charity thing but i didn't even know she did this ( or heck maybe i did and forgot ) so i went to look it up and i was shocked by what all they said about Kate. Sounds kind of like what the "long time staffer" from the Today show said about kate.


Right?

[Coco]

Not of the kids! There is footage of Jon, when he came out to smoke or something, as another poster pointed out. I don't think there was any pictures or video of the kids. Certainly nothing orchestrated by Jon..

I remember it well. Jon started in LA and took camera from ET. It was video of him with them. I can say without a doubt it was AFTER he said no cameras on shows taped in LA. It was at the same time as he said he never took all that money that was intended for his kids. Then he was ordered to give it back. All the shows were talking about it. We sat right here and watched it with our jaws dropping. He should be keeping track of what he says because he keeps saying one thing then doing another. My dad did the same thing to us kids. Really hard to live through and that is why I am so glad those kids are with Kate.
I agree he needs help of some kind. It would be so nice to wake up and find out he is getting it instead of making excuses. The courts dont look at all this in his favor either. He needs to be more careful.

I thought it was so bad of him to have Michael Lohan around those kids also. There is just so many bad things he has done to list. I think others here have though. You would be shocked I think.Im afraid for him.

I can not imagine Kate making these choices.
MO

[Justice4all]

I remember it well. Jon started in LA and took camera from ET. It was video of him with them. I can say without a doubt it was AFTER he said no cameras on shows taped in LA. It was at the same time as he said he never took all that money that was intended for his kids. Then he was ordered to give it back. All the shows were talking about it. We sat right here and watched it with our jaws dropping. He should be keeping track of what he says because he keeps saying one thing then doing another. My dad did the same thing to us kids. Really hard to live through and that is why I am so glad those kids are with Kate.
I agree he needs help of some kind. It would be so nice to wake up and find out he is getting it instead of making excuses. The courts dont look at all this in his favor either. He needs to be more careful.

I thought it was so bad of him to have Michael Lohan around those kids also. There is just so many bad things he has done to list. I think others here have though. You would be shocked I think.Im afraid for him.

I can not imagine Kate making these choices.
MO

The last camera crew that was allowed in the house or on the property was TLC.
ET might have followed Jon but they never went in the house, on the property or filmed the bday party.
and ET released a statement and video that said they did not pay for the bday cake.

[daniel green]

Primary Physical Custody

snipped
Unless either parent is deemed unfit, I don't know why they wouldn't be splitting the holiday's and vacation time.

Jon didn't contest Kate being having PRIMARY custody--which is not the same thing as physical custody.

[daniel green]

I missed the pictures of jon and the kids on the twins birthday....... ohhhhhhhh that's right ~ There weren't any. It was just him.

So that's not having anything both ways when ya think about it.

Huh? :rolleyes: There were not only still photos, there were videos of Jon and Cara and Mady.

[daniel green]

Not of the kids! There is footage of Jon, when he came out to smoke or something, as another poster pointed out. I don't think there was any pictures or video of the kids. Certainly nothing orchestrated by Jon..

ET and the other Paps even mentioned that Jon told them exactly what time to be there for the videos.

[*Onmyknervz*]

Jon didn't contest Kate being having PRIMARY custody--which is not the same thing as physical custody.


What's the difference?

[Justice4all]

Jon didn't contest Kate being having PRIMARY custody--which is not the same thing as physical custody.

So what..........Doesn't mean he doesn't get visitation with his children. What makes you think he won't get them for holidays?

[daniel green]

What's the difference?

Did you read my many posts explaining the difference the other night? I hate to do that all over again, but knowing that you do not follow this thread often, I will do so if you cannot find it.

The difference between sole custody and primary custody is only that the non-custodial parent is involved with the children in some way or another--as in visitation.

The primary custodian makes all the decisions about the children without the other parent. For intance, what schools to go to, where they live, vacation, etc.

Physical custody is simply where the minor lives.

ETA: None of us know what the Arbitrator in this particular case will decide of if he will agree with either/both Gosselins' recommendations.

[Justice4all]

-snipped-

ETA: None of us know what the Arbitrator in this particular case will decide of if he will agree with either/both Gosselins' recommendations.

Then how in the world do you know Jon won't get his children on holidays?:sneaky:

[daniel green]

What's the difference?

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13665770&highlight=primary+custody#post13665770

Lots of answers around there in the thread about this.

[Justice4all]

What's the difference?

Well honestly I don't think anyone's seen the arbitrators documents so we really don't know what they meant by primary custody.

Right now were just going by what websites are saying.

mho

[Justice4all]

So if Kate gets to make all the decisions will she go forward with the plans of Kate plus 8?

[*Onmyknervz*]

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13665770&highlight=primary+custody#post13665770

Lots of answers around there in the thread about this.

I was asking what distinguishes one from the other....in a legal sense. I posted the legal definition upthread, which indicates there is basically no difference between primary and physical custody. Primary is an element of physical custody. Another term is custodial vs. non custodial parent. It isn't intended to create a presumption of one parent being better than the other parent. It just means that for whatever reasons, its not practical for the kids to live with both parents equally. Most parenting plans include shared holidays and vacation time. Most kids benefit having frequent and continuing contact with both parents. Hopefully Kate will understand the value of the kids having a meaningful relationship with their father.


imo...of course.

[daniel green]

I was asking what distinguishes one from the other....in a legal sense. snipped.

I did explain what makes the difference between one and the other.

There are instances where one parent actually has physical custody but does not have primary custody. Or physical custody is with g'parents, but a parent has primary custody.

[Coco]

ET and the other Paps even mentioned that Jon told them exactly what time to be there for the videos.
Oh I know.
That is pretty bad and he kept giving them updates on what was going on. I remember that video with him and the girls and we all just thought wait a minute I thought you said no more camera crews. I just thought everyone saw it. Guess I was wrong.

The way he did with the cake was so sad. If one of my parents forgot how to spell my name I would just be sick and never forget it.
That was sad.
I think there must be more going on with Jon other than his constant lame excuse of having kids all through his younger years. I think he needs help and if people keep making excuses for him and looking the other way then he may never get it.
I think Jon did not fight for custody because he knows Kate is the better parent right now. He should kiss his lucky stars that she is such a good mom.
No wonder he brought roses but it will take much much more. I do not think Kate should except anything until he changes.

[Coco]

I was asking what distinguishes one from the other....in a legal sense. I posted the legal definition upthread, which indicates there is basically no difference between primary and physical custody. Primary is an element of physical custody. Another term is custodial vs. non custodial parent. It isn't intended to create a presumption of one parent being better than the other parent. It just means that for whatever reasons, its not practical for the kids to live with both parents equally. Most parenting plans include shared holidays and vacation time. Most kids benefit having frequent and continuing contact with both parents. Hopefully Kate will understand the value of the kids having a meaningful relationship with their father.


imo...of course. I just really hope Jon starts using better judgement real soon so he can be a good father to them.

[angiemomof4]

No i've never had to face that reality. When i divorced my first husband it was because he killed our son.

and when Kate asked for a divorce she should have realized this kind of stuff would happen.

MHO



I am truly sorry to hear that you had to live through that. I can't even imagine....:rose:

[Dunlurken]

I do not think Kate should except anything until he changes.


snipped to address: You can't "play" it that way. The kids are the ones who will suffer. JMO.

[Casecase]

snipped to address: You can't "play" it that way. The kids are the ones who will suffer. JMO.

The kids will suffer if Kate doesn't accept things like roses from Jon????


IMO

[Justice4all]

NEW PHOTOS: Kate Gosselin's Sad Post-Thanksgiving Look


INFphoto.comKate Gosselin's hair has lost its bounce and maybe that's telling us something. The former Jon & Kate Plus 8 star left her Wernersville, PA home today and even her red leather jacket couldn't hide how sad Kate seemed to be.


http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/11/new-photos-kate-gosselins-sad-post-thanksgiving-look

Is this the hangover look?

[Justice4all]

I still haven't seen any pictures of Jon out snowboarding or partying for Thanksgiving. Have y'all?

[daniel green]

Former "Jon and Kate Plus 8" star Jon Gosselin is now the target of even more attacks, this time from former Star Magazine reporter Kate Major. Major, who claims that she was involved with Gosselin in early July, posted a series of Tweets Friday attacking Jon for everything from his recent Thanksgiving trip to Utah to rumors of drug use.

Here's a sampling of Major's recent activity:

@stefaniesantoro going to my Grammas, LOL aka getting stoned in Utah and lying about it! LMAO
In PA :) and not w/ my Gramma lol!
First of all, it's interesting that Major is talking to Stephanie Santoro, Jon's former babysitter who also has taken to the tabloids to talk about her "relationship" with the reality star. Then, we also get yet another suggestion that Jon is using illegal drugs.

http://www.examiner.com/x-11363-Dallas-TV-Examiner~y2009m11d28-Jon-and-Kate-Plus-8-Jon-Gosselin-mocked-by-alleged-fling

[Justice4all]

http://www.examiner.com/x-11363-Dallas-TV-Examiner~y2009m11d28-Jon-and-Kate-Plus-8-Jon-Gosselin-mocked-by-alleged-fling

IMO has a lot of bitter ex's.

[daniel green]

Gosselin's body guard Thomas Meinelt is said to be behind the latest rumors. Meinelt has reportedly told the National Enquirer that he has seen Jon Gosselin snort cocaine on more than one occasion. Meinelt has also said that he watched Jon Gosselin's secret sex tape.

Stephanie Santoro, ex babysitter to the Gosselin kids who claims to have had a former fling with Jon Gosselin says she knows about the sex tape too, and it's very recent."

http://www.examiner.com/x-21058-Cleveland-Celebrity-Headlines-Examiner~y2009m11d28-Jon-Gosselin-facing-sex-tape-and-drug-allegations

[Justice4all]

http://www.examiner.com/x-21058-Cleveland-Celebrity-Headlines-Examiner~y2009m11d28-Jon-Gosselin-facing-sex-tape-and-drug-allegations

So now you believe what people tell the National Enquirer? :lol:

[angiemomof4]

http://www.examiner.com/x-21058-Cleveland-Celebrity-Headlines-Examiner~y2009m11d28-Jon-Gosselin-facing-sex-tape-and-drug-allegations

If I were Kate, I'd be petitioning the court to require Jon to pass a drug test....If he is using cocaine, those kids should not be in his custody AT ALL.

Man, this is just sad.

[daniel green]

Didn't Jon say he was spending Friday (yesterday) with the children? :huh:

[daniel green]

Jon recently told "Entertainment Tonight" that he planned on seeing the kids "the day after Thanksgiving." The problem? According to Us Magazine, that meeting hasn't exactly happened yet. The magazine reports "he is due home this weekend." Considering that Kate has been spotted at her Wernersville mansion on Friday, we can assume that "this weekend" means Saturday or Sunday rather than late Friday evening. (If he does get home so late, does it really even matter?) Is Jon wrong by making false promises? It depends, since really we don't know what exactly he is telling his kids. This sort of media manipulation may be Jon's way of keeping the paparazzi away from him; however, this strategy is making him come across as rather untrustworthy to the generic public.

http://www.examiner.com/x-11363-Dallas-TV-Examiner~y2009m11d27-Jon-and-Kate-Plus-8-Jon-Gosselin-continues-trip-away-from-kids

[Justice4all]

Didn't Jon say he was spending Friday (yesterday) with the children? :huh:

Maybe that's why Kate left the house looking so sad :sad:

[daniel green]

http://www.examiner.com/x-30363-Canada-Celebrity-Examiner~y2009m11d28-TLC-Jon--Kate-Plus-8--Kate-Gosselin-talks-to-police-before-Jon-begins-daddy-duty-at-the-mansion

[Justice4all]

http://www.examiner.com/x-30363-Canada-Celebrity-Examiner~y2009m11d28-TLC-Jon--Kate-Plus-8--Kate-Gosselin-talks-to-police-before-Jon-begins-daddy-duty-at-the-mansion

TY for the link....so i guess Jon has the children this weekend :thumbup:

[Mnchkin426]

TY for the link....so i guess Jon has the children this weekend :thumbup:

Nice for the children to get to see their father and visa versa......but probably hard for Kate to be away from them.

JMO

[Justice4all]

Nice for the children to get to see their father and visa versa......but probably hard for Kate to be away from them.

JMO

I'm sure it's hard for both of them when they are away.

[Mnchkin426]

http://www.radaronline.com/photos/image/33042/2009/11/jon-gosselin-sho%20ws-his-dance-moves

JMO

[*Pinky*]

http://www.radaronline.com/photos/image/33042/2009/11/jon-gosselin-sho%20ws-his-dance-moves

JMO

It seems like forever since he was with his kids. I just hope he did not bring with him a camera crew and will not be hanging out with them on the edge of the property. I also hope he has a better outlook now that he has been away for so long. I do not like what I saw of him in that last episode. Hopefully when they ask for Kate he will handle it better than we all saw him do on that show. He handled that so poorly it made me wonder how many other times that happened when the cameras were not on him.

TY for the link.

[*Pinky*]

I'm sure it's hard for both of them when they are away.

He sure does have a way of making it look easy at times. I really hope this will become his turning point. Then again I have felt so before.

[Justice4all]

It seems like forever since he was with his kids. I just hope he did not bring with him a camera crew and will not be hanging out with them on the edge of the property. I also hope he has a better outlook now that he has been away for so long. I do not like what I saw of him in that last episode. Hopefully when they ask for Kate he will handle it better than we all saw him do on that show. He handled that so poorly it made me wonder how many other times that happened when the cameras were not on him.

TY for the link.

what did he do on the last show that bothered you? I watched it on youtube and didn't see anything horrible. Cara and Mady were being bratty and talked to them. I never once saw him grab the girls and spank them or anything like that.

Were you worried about the children when Kate spanked them, yelled at them or put them in time out?


mho

[Justice4all]

He sure does have a way of making it look easy at times. I really hope this will become his turning point. Then again I have felt so before.

When Kate is shopping in NYC, doing her book signings and public appearances she looks like she's having a great time....but i'm sure she still misses her children.


MHO

[*Pinky*]

Nice for the children to get to see their father and visa versa......but probably hard for Kate to be away from them.

JMO
I know and she has to be many times more worried than most of us are about Jon's bad acts of recent months. At least he has the luxury of going away knowing they are safe and sound when they are with her.

I get so sad when I here things about possible drug or alcohol abuse by Jon. Espicially if he is going to be driving them anywhere. I hope we will see him turn over a new leaf just in time for the Holidays.

[Mnchkin426]

I know and she has to be many times more worried than most of us are about Jon's bad acts of recent months. At least he has the luxury of going away knowing they are safe and sound when they are with her.

I get so sad when I here things about possible drug or alcohol abuse by Jon. Espicially if he is going to be driving them anywhere. I hope we will see him turn over a new leaf just in time for the Holidays.

I think the talk about drug abuse needs to be viewed as just rumors/gossip. IMO, Nothing has been proven and the sources are iffy. Unfortunately, Jon himself has admitted to his own excess alcohol useage and to a family problem with alcoholism. Hopefully he does not indulge excessively around the children and certainly not when driving.

JMO

[Casecase]

IMO has a lot of bitter ex's.

You got that right! You rarely see someone with that many bitter exes. The only one who hasn't jumped on the bandwagon is Deanna Hummel, and I wonder if that's partly because she wants to keep her teaching job.


IMO

[Casecase]

I still haven't seen any pictures of Jon out snowboarding or partying for Thanksgiving. Have y'all?

Nope, I haven't either. If he went, maybe that whole thing about going to his grandmother's was to throw the paparazzi off the trail . . . if so, looks like it worked.


IMO

[*Pinky*]

what did he do on the last show that bothered you? I watched it on youtube and didn't see anything horrible. Cara and Mady were being bratty and talked to them. I never once saw him grab the girls and spank them or anything like that.

Were you worried about the children when Kate spanked them, yelled at them or put them in time out?


mho
Gosh why are you jumping on me?? I never saw video of Kate doing any of those things you mention besides time outs.

All I can do it state my opinion and that is why I came here. I also came here because I just got more and more worried for the kids because video and after video has been showing Jon's troublesome behaviour. I have not seen any of that from Kate.

Would you rather I go away because my feelings differ from yours?? Is that how it works here??

[Justice4all]

Gosh why are you jumping on me?? I never saw video of Kate doing any of those things you mention besides time outs.

All I can do it state my opinion and that is why I came here. I also came here because I just got more and more worried for the kids because video and after video has been showing Jon's troublesome behaviour. I have not seen any of that from Kate.

Would you rather I go away because my feelings differ from yours?? Is that how it works here??

When and where did i jump you?


Is Kate talks about spanking the children.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=7861779&page=1

Why would i want you to go away? All I did was ask you a few questions....Would you like it if I went away or just shut my mouth?

[Justice4all]

Nope, I haven't either. If he went, maybe that whole thing about going to his grandmother's was to throw the paparazzi off the trail . . . if so, looks like it worked.


IMO

That or it never happen. and we have two girls wanting to stay in the limelight............MOO

[Casecase]

That or it never happen. and we have two girls wanting to stay in the limelight............MOO

Yep, that's entirely possible. That's why I said "if" he went, he did a good job throwing the paparrazzi off the trail. Could be that he never was there.

And I think the whole bevy of blondes should try to get past being bitter, focus their attentions elsewhere and move on. No good can come of them hanging on.

I'll bet a loud cheer went up from the Glassman household when Hailey and Jon broke up!


IMO

[LisaM22]

Bless you, Lisa, for posting this article! Bar none, this is absolutely the best perspective and analysis I have read on the whole J&K+8 phenom.
And I say this, not just from a Christian viewpoint, but as an armchair critic of reality tv as pop culture entertainment.

It seems that our society, and even too many church folks, have gone so far afield with this "non-judgmental" attitude, that we've lost the will for critical thinking. Worse still, whatever criteria was used to evaluate J&K for invitro, it was woefully inadequate. But, as these things go, we always end up sighing, "well, the children are already here, so we have to make the best of it..." The question now is "Is there anything we can do to prevent other people from pursuing these multiple births when they are so obviously ill-equipped to care for the children?"

I don't know what the answer is, but for J&K, we should try cutting the ties with them. If there's no audience, the money that provides for a luxury lifestyle will dry up. Maybe we all, including them, will be the better for it.

I did think this was a great article by a Christian web site, glad you liked it

the religious right has been very quick to support anyone that seems to be pro-life or anti-gay, this is not the first time they have been made fools of

it's a tough one for many that claim to be pro-life, if someone created a 1000 Hitler fetuses, would you let them be born or want them aborted....

[Justice4all]

Speak your peace, Pinky. Don't allow yourself to be bullied. Any and all opinions are welcome. I think you'll find that many agree with you about Jon's present behavior being troublesome. As far as Kate's behavior goes, there are varying opinions. IMO most of what she is doing presently seems positive.

JMO

OMG are you saying i was bullying Pinky?

[Mnchkin426]

OMG are you saying i was bullying Pinky?

Well, maybe I exaggerated a bit but, IMO, you certainly seemed to be challenging her.

JMO

[daniel green]

http://www.radaronline.com/photos/image/33042/2009/11/jon-gosselin-sho%20ws-his-dance-moves

JMO

Oh my gosh. :blushing:

I am very worried this man is simply unstable.

[daniel green]

It seems like forever since he was with his kids. I just hope he did not bring with him a camera crew and will not be hanging out with them on the edge of the property. snipped.

There he was, dancing for the Paps. :scared: On his property. :blushing: Mugging for the cameras. And off to ride his ATV.

[daniel green]

snipped
Would you rather I go away because my feelings differ from yours?? Is that how it works here??

Of course not, Pinky.

The rules and TOS about this board are very clear. Keep speaking up!

[daniel green]

The former Jon & Kate Plus 8 star had just returned from a snowboarding trip

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/11/new-photos-jon-gosselin-puts-his-dancing-shoes

[Justice4all]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/11/new-photos-jon-gosselin-puts-his-dancing-shoes

So now Hailey's a credible source?

[Justice4all]

Well, maybe I exaggerated a bit but, IMO, you certainly seemed to be challenging her.

JMO

How did I challenge her?
All i did was ask if she felt the same way about kate. :confused:

[Justice4all]

Of course not, Pinky.

The rules and TOS about this board are very clear. Keep speaking up!

OMG this is so blown out of whack. I never said I wanted her to go. I did not bully her nor did i jump on her..........:sad:

Why are y'all acting this way?

[daniel green]

http://x17online.com/gallery/view_gallery.php?gallery=JonGosselinKIDS112809_X17

[Justice4all]

http://x17online.com/gallery/view_gallery.php?gallery=JonGosselinKIDS112809_X17

awwwwwww that's so sweet.
TY for the link.

[Coco]

If I were Kate, I'd be petitioning the court to require Jon to pass a drug test....If he is using cocaine, those kids should not be in his custody AT ALL.

Man, this is just sad.
Better safe than sorry.
I agree and Kate I am sure could offer one as well.
IF the rumours are true and he takes one and gets caught it could be the best thing that has happened to him. Then he would be forced to get help and finally be around people who really do care about him. If results are neg over a period of time and he is still acting badly then it could be a mental thing that could also be treated.

[Coco]

There he was, dancing for the Paps. :scared: On his property. :blushing: Mugging for the cameras. And off to ride his ATV.

I know and notice how he does not use a helmet. He should set a better example. I sure hope he will ride them with thiers on since many people have spoken out about how dangerous he is being with their little lives.

[Coco]

There he was, dancing for the Paps. :scared: On his property. :blushing: Mugging for the cameras. And off to ride his ATV.

You know what I do not get is how he says cameras are so bad for the kids and that he has been lied and treated unfairly by the paps. Why does he do anything to keep those idiot paps coming back even in the cold frigid winter. Why does he not follow Kates example and ignore them so they will give up and go away. Unless of course he is getting paid and/or he is just doing another publicity stunt.

[Justice4all]

I know and notice how he does not use a helmet. He should set a better example. I sure hope he will ride them with thiers on since many people have spoken out about how dangerous he is being with their little lives.

heck jon nor kate wore helmets while riding the motorcycles.

[Coco]

Nope, I haven't either. If he went, maybe that whole thing about going to his grandmother's was to throw the paparazzi off the trail . . . if so, looks like it worked.


IMO

I agree. We sure did not see pick of him at grandmas either. Seems like we would. Much easier that way than flying to Utah at the last minute I would think.

[Coco]

Speak your peace, Pinky. Don't allow yourself to be bullied. Any and all opinions are welcome. I think you'll find that many agree with you about Jon's present behavior being troublesome. As far as Kate's behavior goes, there are varying opinions. IMO most of what she is doing presently seems positive.

JMO Yes and we cant help our opinions. Jon has way surpassed Kate in his bad acts department. Blaming Kate just looks like a bunch of excuses for a man who needs less of those. Some do not like it and are threatened by strong women.
We should all speak our peace and I think I am obeying the rules but if not please someone let me know so I can correct it.

[Coco]

heck jon nor kate wore helmets while riding the motorcycles.
Sorry I thought I made this clear.
I am talking about since the warnings went out.
Not sure what you mean but I am most concerned about their safety today and the future.

[Justice4all]

Sorry I thought I made this clear.
I am talking about since the warnings went out.

Kate's an RN she knows the warnings she doesn't need talk shows to tell her that they need helmets...MOO

[Justice4all]

For Some, a Search for Celebrity Is Worth Any Risk

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/28/arts/television/28watch.html?em

[Coco]

Kate's an RN she knows the warnings she doesn't need talk shows to tell her that they need helmets...MOO

You see that is what you do that gets people upset.
Anything Jon does wrong you throw back a dig at Kate and really I have never see her on the ATV or tractor. Those are what I have seen those kids on with no helmet. It is wrong and no one can convince me otherwise.
Jon did not even use Kate as an excuse. He said what he was doing was fine and he had it under control. Never once did he admit it was unsafe. Never once did he say he would stop.
Sorry but it is just more of his bad behavior that cant be blamed on Kate.

[Justice4all]

You see that is what you do that gets people upset.
Anything Jon does wrong you throw back a dig at Kate and really I have never see her on the ATV or tractor. Those are what I have seen those kids on with no helmet. It is wrong and no one can convince me otherwise.
Jon did not even use Kate as an excuse. He said what he was doing was fine and he had it under control. Never once did he admit it was unsafe. Never once did he say he would stop.
Sorry but it is just more of his bad behavior that cant be blamed on Kate.
How did i upset anyone by giving my opinion?

ITA Jon is wrong about the ATV. I've said over and over I think there should be some kind of law that says anyone under 21 should be required to wear a helmet.


and ITA his bad behavior is ALL his fault. He's a grown man and needs to act like one.

I dig at both Jon and Kate because I can't stand either one of them.

Is this the dig only Jon thread? If so I can leave and find the dig both parents thread.


MHO

[Shells2]

How did I challenge her?
All i did was ask if she felt the same way about kate. :confused:

You didn't. You asked her if she felt the same way about Kate. This is all just silly drama to try and get a rise out of you ~ just ignore it..

ITA with you ~ those kids should be wearing helmets ... things can happen so fast..

[daniel green]

You know what I do not get is how he says cameras are so bad for the kids and that he has been lied and treated unfairly by the paps. Why does he do anything to keep those idiot paps coming back even in the cold frigid winter. Why does he not follow Kates example and ignore them so they will give up and go away. Unless of course he is getting paid and/or he is just doing another publicity stunt.

Because it's obvious Jon loves it. Look at just today out smoking and dancing for the Paps and greeting all the kids outdoors so they could take his picture.

[Justice4all]

Because it's obvious Jon loves it. Look at just today out smoking and dancing for the Paps and greeting all the kids outdoors so they could take his picture.

Jon loves it about as much as Kate does. Like her little trip to the park with the children. :thumbup:

Like Nancy Grace said both of these parents are immature and self absorbed.

[daniel green]

It worried me that Mady was outside in that cold weather with just a t-shirt and what looked to be barefoot today.:sad:

[Justice4all]

It worried me that Mady was outside in that cold weather with just a t-shirt and what looked to be barefoot today.:sad:

Same here.

I looked at that photo just now and blew it up and sure enough she's barefooted. I hope someone shows those photos to Kate. Jon all bundled up freezing but allows his baby to go without shoes. :cursing: Like i've said before he really should be ashamed of himself.

[Ionmhainn]

Same here.

I looked at that photo just now and blew it up and sure enough she's barefooted. I hope someone shows those photos to Kate. Jon all bundled up freezing but allows his baby to go without shoes. :cursing: Like i've said before he really should be ashamed of himself.

Oh, come on, J! Mady is certainly old enough to find a jacket and socks and shoes for herself. Let's keep in mind that pics only take a split second to take. How do we know that Jon didn't chide her for doing that? These kids love their Dad and I'm sure they were all glad to see him. I was glad for them.

[Casecase]

Jon loves it about as much as Kate does. Like her little trip to the park with the children. :thumbup:

Like Nancy Grace said both of these parents are immature and self absorbed.

So the trip to the park was just a photo op, not something that the kids really wanted to do?

If Kate loves the paps, you'd sure never know it because she's never seen interacting with them. Jon makes a point of interacting.

IMO

[angiemomof4]

If Kate kept herself and the kids inside the house to keep them away from the paparazzi, we'd probably be hearing about how she never takes those poor children anywhere anymore...not even to the park. :shrug:

Exactly. And seriously, why should she hide? It'd be a cold day in heck before I'd let low-life paparazzi chase me inside and prevent me from living. Nobody will have that kind of power over my life. Why should Kate live that way?

[Justice4all]

Oh, come on, J! Mady is certainly old enough to find a jacket and socks and shoes for herself. Let's keep in mind that pics only take a split second to take. How do we know that Jon didn't chide her for doing that? These kids love their Dad and I'm sure they were all glad to see him. I was glad for them.

Have you looked at the photos?

[daniel green]

If Kate kept herself and the kids inside the house to keep them away from the paparazzi, we'd probably be hearing about how she never takes those poor children anywhere anymore...not even to the park. :shrug:

You are right about that. Thankfully, she doesn't give the Paps the heads up on what time she will be somewhere and doesn't talk to them or engage them in any way, which is the way to deal with their intrusion.

Jon, on the other hand, talks away, tells them when he is "coming back," and now, even, dances for them and smiles for their pictures while smoking and riding his ATV.

[Justice4all]

You are right about that. Thankfully, she doesn't give the Paps the heads up on what time she will be somewhere and doesn't talk to them or engage them in any way, which is the way to deal with their intrusion.

Jon, on the other hand, talks away, tells them when he is "coming back," and now, even, dances for them and smiles for their pictures while smoking and riding his ATV.

good for Jon for hamming it up. the fans are out there all day and they love the inner action....I seriously doubt he's being paid to smile, dance, smoke and ride his ATV :tonguewag:

[Humdinger]

Doesn't he have at least one not-a-nanny with him when its his turn to be at the house? Kate does- more than one- so why shouldn't he? One not-a-nanny could keep Jon on the straight and narrow as far as the kids safety. What would Jon know about caring for kids- hes been running his tush off for Kate for the last 10 years nonstop.

canttandthem.

True that! :thumbup:

[Humdinger]

You see that is what you do that gets people upset.
Anything Jon does wrong you throw back a dig at Kate and really I have never see her on the ATV or tractor. Those are what I have seen those kids on with no helmet. It is wrong and no one can convince me otherwise.
Jon did not even use Kate as an excuse. He said what he was doing was fine and he had it under control. Never once did he admit it was unsafe. Never once did he say he would stop.
Sorry but it is just more of his bad behavior that cant be blamed on Kate.

Fact is, Kate is also their parent, also supposedly an ex-nurse who should be up-close-and-personal familiar with the dangers of riding with no helmet - and yet she allows those children to ride without one.

That's a fact, no matter how it "upsets" some here, which really, this is only a message board - nothing to be personally "upset" about. :rolleyes:

[Coco]

Fact is, Kate is also their parent, also supposedly an ex-nurse who should be up-close-and-personal familiar with the dangers of riding with no helmet - and yet she allows those children to ride without one.

That's a fact, no matter how it "upsets" some here, which really, this is only a message board - nothing to be personally "upset" about. :rolleyes:

I guess Kate is suppose to be there when she is not there, RIGHT...

[Coco]

You are right about that. Thankfully, she doesn't give the Paps the heads up on what time she will be somewhere and doesn't talk to them or engage them in any way, which is the way to deal with their intrusion.

Jon, on the other hand, talks away, tells them when he is "coming back," and now, even, dances for them and smiles for their pictures while smoking and riding his ATV.
He is digusting if you ask me.
Anyone with any class would do as Kate does and ignore the paps in hopes that they would stop chasing down those poor kids. Then there is Jon. He says cameras are bad for them yet he parades around like that. He was obviously in too big a hurry to get out the door to ham it up for the paps that he did not care what the kids wore in freezing enough weather for him to bundle up including hat and can actually be seen warming his hands in the pockets. Kate would never have allowed that.

Just like the birthday cake fiasco he is more concerned with cameras on him than what is best for the children.

Any man who would take money from his kids would not think twice of selling stories. Oh wait thats right he already has. News of Jon is dying down. I look for him to try and fix that any minute. What will he think of next?

MO

[Coco]

good for Jon for hamming it up. the fans are out there all day and they love the inner action....I seriously doubt he's being paid to smile, dance, smoke and ride his ATV :tonguewag:

With his kid in a tee shirt and barefooted? Do you really think he should encourage the paps to stay around? Would it not be nice if he at least during the holidays would knock it off in hopes that they would go away?

[Humdinger]

I guess Kate is suppose to be there when she is not there, RIGHT...

Those kids were on the ATV without helmets when Kate was there, long before they separated and Jon went to live in NY.

You know, when Kate was still pretending that they were still 'together', for TLC ratings which equals money in her pocket, just like she did for the renewal of marriage vows in Hawaii. :rolleyes:

[Humdinger]

With his kid in a tee shirt and barefooted?

Mady is plentyyyyy old enough to know how to dress if she's cold.

Heck, for that matter, knowing her history of defiance, Jon very well may have told her to put shoes and a coat on, and she refused, as usual.

[Mnchkin426]

Those kids were on the ATV without helmets when Kate was there, long before they separated and Jon went to live in NY.

You know, when Kate was still pretending that they were still 'together', for TLC ratings which equals money in her pocket, just like she did for the renewal of marriage vows in Hawaii. :rolleyes:

Please provide a link proving that the children rode on the ATV without helmets when Kate was there.

JMO

[Coco]

Mady is plentyyyyy old enough to know how to dress if she's cold.

Heck, for that matter, knowing her history of defiance, Jon very well may have told her to put shoes and a coat on, and she refused, as usual.

If it was an insulated incident it would be one thing. I just plain do not trust the guy. I used to never give those kids safety another thought. I saw a different side of Jon during the show before all these other things started happening.
At first I believe none of the tabloid garbage. Then the pics started coming out and I started to wonder. Still I felt the kids were in safe hands. It has been in just the last few month that I have honestly been worried. I would not be here if I was not sincerely worried about Jon also. His behaviour is really bizarre and erratic. From the company he keeps to his own words and actions just make me wonder what is really going on with him.
Once I came here and started checking around I discovered I seem to be in the majority. I think there is something wrong with him but excuses for his bad acts will not help him. He is full of excuses. He needs the right person to step in and help him. So much he has done is going to all ready hurt those kids. Hope he gets some kind of wake up call and soon before something bad happens.
These are all my opinions and how I truly feel.

[Coco]

Please provide a link proving that the children rode on the ATV without helmets when Kate was there.

JMO
I NEVER seen that ever.

My whole point is the past is bad enough and wrong to have them on that tractor or ATV without helmets. But I saw on a night time show (sorry dont know which one) that Jon was on and everyone told him over and over it was wrong. He just sat there disagreeing and never once seemed to car or get what they were saying nor did he say he would stop. Now he cant use the excuse that he did not know (bad one to begin with) and ride them with no helmets.

I personally dont think they are safe for kids that age even with helmets.

[Justice4all]

With his kid in a tee shirt and barefooted? Do you really think he should encourage the paps to stay around? Would it not be nice if he at least during the holidays would knock it off in hopes that they would go away?

Mady was only wearing a tee shirt and was barefooted. Daniel already posted the link to the photo's , there are 47 pictures.
and no I don't think he should encourage the paps to stay around. but IMO even if he didn't ham it up they would stay.

[Coco]

Mady was only wearing a tee shirt and was barefooted. Daniel already posted the link to the photo's , there are 47 pictures.
and no I don't think he should encourage the paps to stay around. but IMO even if he didn't ham it up they would stay.

Oh I know I saw the photo last night. That is what I was saying was wrong. I probably worded it wrong.

[Justice4all]

Oh I know I saw the photo last night. That is what I was saying was wrong. I probably worded it wrong.

I'll be honest I don't know if during that series of photos with Mady barefooted was Jon hamming it up.

[Coco]

I'll be honest I don't know if during that series of photos with Mady barefooted was Jon hamming it up.

I'll be honest either do I. Don't know if anyone else knows.
I just hope maybe things are dying down. But I have thought and wished for that before. Jon just irks me and I really hope the time away from his kids coupled with some quiet time with them as well as the time of year will make him get his priorities straight and they can all have a great Christmas. I was wondering the other day if it was the first in the new house but I think it is the 2nd one. I hope they decorate and put up lights.

I just love that house for the kids but wish the paps would leave them alone. They have to be freezing out there waiting for pics and video.

[Humdinger]

snip

He allowed himself to be manipulated. Allowed Kate to bully, coax, nag him. Her incessant droning had to be annoying, but crimeny....All he needed to do was just grow a pair, get out and get free. Not throw himself into whatever pigpen he could find. :rolleyes:

MHO

I agree with everything you have stated here, and no, I'm not "excusing" Jon's reaction to all of the years of Kate's horrid abuse, BUT, you have to figure that since he didn't have the God-given good sense THEN to ever set Kate straight and stand up to her, he's not going to NOW have this sudden epiphany of good sense either.

Jon had 10 years of Kate beating him down, verbally & emotionally; it will take some time for him to work the rebellion from that out of his system.

I truly expect him to level-out; he's already stated that he recognizes that his 'resolution' to Kate's abuse isn't productive for any of them, including himself.

Your resolution that you have stated here would have been great though in an ideal world.

[Justice4all]

Walters confirmed his invitation on Monday's (Nov. 30) episode of "The View," though the poster below seems to confirm several of the annual special's other subjects as well: Lady Gaga, Tyler Perry, Sarah Palin, Brett Favre, Kate Gosselin and Glenn Beck.


http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2009/11/barbara-walters-confirms-adam-lambert-is-one-of-her-10-most-fascinating.html


Poor Brett Favre and Tyler Perry they are having to be lumped together with these other ( well you fill in the blank I don't want to get banned ) LOL

I would love to see Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin and Kate Gosselin all do a talk show together LOL

[Mnchkin426]

http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2009/11/barbara-walters-confirms-adam-lambert-is-one-of-her-10-most-fascinating.html


Poor Brett Favre and Tyler Perry they are having to be lumped together with these other ( well you fill in the blank I don't want to get banned ) LOL

I would love to see Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin and Kate Gosselin all do a talk show together LOL

Do you know for a fact that the others are on the list? Article didn't seem to be sure.

JMO

[Justice4all]

Do you know for a fact that the others are on the list? Article didn't seem to be sure.

JMO

I saw that clip on the View this morning but I guess we won't know until dec 9th.

[Mnchkin426]

I saw that clip on the View this morning but I guess we won't know until dec 9th.

What's on Dec, 9th? Sorry...I don't watch The View so I'm not up on things.

JMO

[Justice4all]

What's on Dec, 9th? Sorry...I don't watch The View so I'm not up on things.

JMO

that's when BW has her 10 most fascinating people show.

[Mnchkin426]

that's when BW has her 10 most fascinating people show.

Oh, I see. Thanks for the info.

JMO

[Humdinger]

Well, her parents raised her, after all. Lots of children out there with the morals of alley cats and they didn't raise themselves. :shrug:

I'd say other people's feelings are the LAST thing Ms. Hailey concerns herself with. It just amazes me how self-absorbed she appears to be. She seems to care nothing about anyone other than herself.

What a surprise that she and Jon couldn't make their relationship work. :rolleyes: I mean really, how does she think Americans are going to perceive her??? :confused:

I don't believe it's fair to always blame the sins of the offspring onto the parents, as in Hailey's case, just as it isn't fair to blame Kate's loving, Christian parents for Kate's abusive behavior and abrasive, demeaning verbiage to people.

They are both big girls who are fully grown who are not always a product of their upbringing.