All things Palin

[Casspian]

It's illegal for this event on base/post to reflect any partisan politics. It's also putting active military careers in jeopardy if they are seen as participating in these activities.

Sarah Palin appeared at Fort Bragg today, promoting her book, "Going Rogue" to the military. Palin had promised to limit herself to signing books, no politicizing her visit, amidst general concerns that her signing would violate Federal Law (Titles 10, 2, and 18, United States Code), Department of Defense (DOD) Directives, and specific military regulations strictly limit a military active duty person's participation in partisan political activities....

I don't think it gets more partisan than SarahPAC.

... she is now headed to or is at Ft. Hood

she was restricted from speaking at Fort Bragg, she is not at Fort Hood.

http://divasblueoasis.com/diary/936/palin-flies-on-samaritans-purse-planeentourage-begs-for-bashes-obama-at-ft-bragg

It seems that the folks at Ft Hood have already received quite a few phone calls expressing concern about Sarah doing this on military bases.

[History Buff]

I doubt these people are being forced to participate.

[birdwatch]

I doubt these people are being forced to participate. True, but I don't appreciate her (and her father's) efforts to undercut soldiers' confidence in the Commander in Chief on the military bases. That serves no good purpose for anyone.

[Lady_Jean_La]

Sarah Palin is political. People saying otherwise doesn't change that. imo

[Casspian]

I doubt these people are being forced to participate.

I didn't say anyone was forced to participate, but she is engaging in activities on our Military bases which she should not be engaging in.

I just wrote this letter:

to: benton.danner@us.army.mil (Ft. Hood)
cc: bruce.zielsdorf@us.army.mil (Ft. Hood), president@whitehouse.gov


Dear Col. Benton Danner:

I just read where Sarah Palin is being allowed to visit military bases to promote her book and that she was also raising money for SarahPAC while at Ft. Bragg. At Ft. Bragg, it also appears her father, Chuck Heath, is engaging in rhetoric against the President of the United States and that some retired military are wearing "Impeach Obama" shirts. Many of these activities are in violation of Federal Law (Titles 10, 2, and 18, United States Code), Department of Defense (DOD) Directives, and specific military regulations that strictly limit a military active duty person's participation in partisan political activities. In light of other recent events on military bases, I feel there is even more concern about Sarah Palin's activities as well as those touring with her and with military or former military engaging in such activities. It is Sarah Palin, afterall, who encouraged hate-filled rhetoric at her rallies in 2008 and who helped to promote death threats against then candidate for President, Barack Obama.

[Casspian]

I couldn't agree with you more, birdwatch. I don't think she should be allowed on ANY military base in the Country, in order to "sell books". You're correct, her efforts to undercut the current CIC just shouldn't be allowed. It stands to reason, her efforts to sell her books are going to be accompanied by a certain amount of "politicizing" on her part.

jmo

They are raising funds for SarahPAC in the parking lot, that's definitely political. I just don't seen any reason she should be doing this on military bases.

[RayStar]

I so hope the military chiefs stop her from having her book signing at Ft. Hood. I say move it to another location.

I agree her dad needs to stay out of it. This is a slick move to get their message out perhaps he should receive a pat on the shoulder.

[Mimi428]

They are raising funds for SarahPAC in the parking lot, that's definitely political. I just don't seen any reason she should be doing this on military bases.

Thanks for starting this thread. I had read a little bit about this late last night & I am appalled that apparently neither Sarah Palin, nor her father has the first, flippin' clue about how completely inappropriate this is.

There are military restrictions regarding political activities on military installations. I cannot believe that she & her associates were NOT informed of these restrictions beforehand.

Why in the world her own father didn't know enough to keep his lips zipped is more than I can figure out. I don't care who you are, you do NOT diss the CIC on a military installation. Sheesh! How hard is that to understand?

And having the means already set up so that donations could be made to her political action committee? Give me a break, you can't tell me she didn't know better.

JMO

[Mimi428]

I doubt these people are being forced to participate.

Forced to participate has nothing to do with it.

I don't have time right now to find the latest DoD information about military restrictions against political activity on military installations, but I know that it is available online. When I get back later this evening I will see if I can find a good link for them.

This goes way beyond party or rhetoric. There are VERY good reasons for NOT speaking ill against the CiC on a military installation. Always have been, always will be. And it has not one blessed thing to do with Barack Obama.

JMO

[daniel green]

... she is now headed to or is at Ft. Hood



http://divasblueoasis.com/diary/936/palin-flies-on-samaritans-purse-planeentourage-begs-for-bashes-obama-at-ft-bragg

It seems that the folks at Ft Hood have already received quite a few phone calls expressing concern about Sarah doing this on military bases.

She broke the rules set out by the military at Ft Bragg. That display there was just wrong. And asking for donations to her PAC?

[daniel green]

They are raising funds for SarahPAC in the parking lot, that's definitely political. I just don't seen any reason she should be doing this on military bases.

She says she is not a political person now. :rolleyes:

Only running for the presidency in 2012.

[daniel green]

snipped There are VERY good reasons for NOT speaking ill against the CiC on a military installation. Always have been, always will be. And it has not one blessed thing to do with Barack Obama.

JMO

One would hope that would not have to be spelled out. Apparently, it does.

[daniel green]

I didn't say anyone was forced to participate, but she is engaging in activities on our Military bases which she should not be engaging in.

I just wrote this letter:

to: benton.danner@us.army.mil (Ft. Hood)
cc: bruce.zielsdorf@us.army.mil (Ft. Hood), president@whitehouse.gov


Dear Col. Benton Danner:

I just read where Sarah Palin is being allowed to visit military bases to promote her book and that she was also raising money for SarahPAC while at Ft. Bragg. At Ft. Bragg, it also appears her father, Chuck Heath, is engaging in rhetoric against the President of the United States and that some retired military are wearing "Impeach Obama" shirts. Many of these activities are in violation of Federal Law (Titles 10, 2, and 18, United States Code), Department of Defense (DOD) Directives, and specific military regulations that strictly limit a military active duty person's participation in partisan political activities. In light of other recent events on military bases, I feel there is even more concern about Sarah Palin's activities as well as those touring with her and with military or former military engaging in such activities. It is Sarah Palin, afterall, who encouraged hate-filled rhetoric at her rallies in 2008 and who helped to promote death threats against then candidate for President, Barack Obama.

Great letter and thank you very much for the email addresses. I have just sent mine in and sent copies to friends and family to have them write, as well.

This is just outrageous.

[logbump]

Other than a link to a blog in OP, I can't find any credible coverage on CNN MSNBC etc repeating Blue Divas statements. Links?

[daniel green]

Other than a link to a blog in OP, I can't find any credible coverage on CNN MSNBC etc repeating Blue Divas statements. Links?

Here you go:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/

[daniel green]

In her book, Palin quotes Dr. Martin Luther King and says she was influenced by the courage of Harriet Tubman. She mentions the challenges faced by her husband Todd, who is part Yupik Eskimo, and his family, and writes about listening to LL Cool J. "Like every other ordinary American, I'm tired of the divisions and the special interests that pit us against each other," she writes. "Whatever your gender, race, or religion, if you love this country and will defend our Constitution, then you're an American."

If this was true, then why look into a crowd of frustrated white people and call them "real Americans" or describe the state they live in as "pro-America"? Who are the fake Americans? Where are the anti-America states? Can the answer be found in her book tour?

I didn't hear any of that red-state rhetoric from her brief speech in Grand Rapids, but by snubbing many racially diverse cities, Palin is repeating that "us against them" message in a more subtle but equally effective way.

She can't blame Katie Couric for that.



http://www.cnn.com/2009/OPINION/11/23/granderson.palin.race/index.html

[daniel green]

Here is the AP report about it:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/23/palin-fort-bragg-book-sig_n_367441.html

I find the fact that she bypassed the rule about her not speaking by having her father make comments and the asking for donations for SarahPac there to be reprehensible.

[Lady_Jean_La]

Here is the AP report about it:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/23/palin-fort-bragg-book-sig_n_367441.html

I find the fact that she bypassed the rule about her not speaking by having her father make comments and the asking for donations for SarahPac there to be reprehensible.

Good to see some of the troops considering President Obama as their boss. :thumbsup: [above link]

[History Buff]

The Left is afraid of her and they don't seem to want to engage her in a debate so they're trying to do what they do with those whom they disagree, silence or destroy. I don't recall them jumping Harry Reid for undercutting the CIC when he famously declared "the war is lost". I don't recall them correcting Kerry when he went on Face the Nation and said that our soldiers are terrorizing women and children.
We wouldn't hear any outrage from them if this say Clinton or Gore denouncing Bush.

[daniel green]

Good to see some of the troops considering President Obama as their boss. :thumbsup: [above link]

ALL of them do. :huh: As they do with EVERY President and CIC.

[History Buff]

That doesn't mean they're big fans though.

[RayStar]

[QUOTE=Casspian;13669559]I didn't say anyone was forced to participate, but she is engaging in activities on our Military bases which she should not be engaging in.

I just wrote this letter.]

SNIPPED

Has anyone received a reply from sending a letter to the one you listed?

[Lady_Jean_La]

ALL of them do. :huh: As they do with EVERY President and CIC.

I didn't get that from the link provided, is that in a different article?:confused:

[daniel green]

snipped
Has anyone received a reply from sending a letter to the one you listed?

I received a reply.

[Mahalo]

I didn't get that from the link provided, is that in a different article?:confused:

You really need a link to understand that our fine Men and Women in the Service consider the President, all past and current one, to be the CIC, their boss? Really?:rolleyes:

[birdwatch]

Yeah, you wouldn't want the soldier's confidence in their CIC to erode, I mean waffling back and forth on making a decision for reinforcements for months wouldn't lower their confidence, would it? Oh right - why take the time to consider - and listen to the experts who are and have been there (and who are not all in agreement) before acting. The man askes questions and thinks - so the soldiers who are off to battle should be told not to have confidence in him? Gee - they sometimes have to think and plan when they are overseas. Are they wrong too?

[Lady_Jean_La]

You really need a link to understand that our fine Men and Women in the Service consider the President, all past and current one, to be the CIC, their boss? Really?:rolleyes:
I think there is a difference between CIC and boss. The article specifically said boss. It is good to hear, at least one soldier, express that feeling. imo

[daniel green]

You really need a link to understand that our fine Men and Women in the Service consider the President, all past and current one, to be the CIC, their boss? Really?:rolleyes:

I was just asking myself the same thing.:confused:

[Mahalo]

I was just asking myself the same thing.:confused:

Maybe some are completely unfamiliar with the structure of the Military, or they want to circuitously argue. Nearly every Command I was at, almost 24 yrs worth, had the COC posted, with photos, from the President on down....Again, I'd have to say I believe it's the poster taking a backhanded swipe at our fine President.....

[RayStar]

I received a reply.

I got one also but I can't open it. I have no idea what it says.

[daniel green]

Mine said that the PX can sell items of varying opinions.

[Susan43]

Yeah, you wouldn't want the soldier's confidence in their CIC to erode, I mean waffling back and forth on making a decision for reinforcements for months wouldn't lower their confidence, would it?

Waffling? Really? I'm actually a little shocked to think that you think most troops would welcome just jumping into a situation (war) without the utmost care. Didn't we already do that? I'm glad he is looking at all the options and that we no longer have cowboy diplomacy and I'll just bet the troops would rather he be careful rather then careless. After all it is their lives at stake.

[Susan43]

Mine said that the PX can sell items of varying opinions.

The fact is that each base is like a small town and having a book signing isn't that unusual. What is unusual is that although she isn't overtly running for any office, she is a politician. I think she has the brass between a rock and a hard place. If they do turn her down they are going to get a lot of carp from the conservative groups, and that is why someone said she is in a "grey" area.

Naturally she will do all she can to push the limits. Any person that has followed her "career" knows that this is her usual MO. So I really feel sorry for the brass at the different bases. If they turn her down they will succeed in adding to her victimhood. I'm sure glad I'm not the one making the decision.

[Lady_Jean_La]

Mine said that the PX can sell items of varying opinions.

That's good to hear. imo

[Lady_Jean_La]

The fact is that each base is like a small town and having a book signing isn't that unusual. What is unusual is that although she isn't overtly running for any office, she is a politician. I think she has the brass between a rock and a hard place. If they do turn her down they are going to get a lot of carp from the conservative groups, and that is why someone said she is in a "grey" area.

Naturally she will do all she can to push the limits. Any person that has followed her "career" knows that this is her usual MO. So I really feel sorry for the brass at the different bases. If they turn her down they will succeed in adding to her victimhood. I'm sure glad I'm not the one making the decision.

Great post! You really nailed it. imo

[Susan43]

Great post! You really nailed it. imo


Thanks Lady, I really don't see how the brass have any other choice. It would cause a whirlwind if she was turned down. But :shrug:

[Lady_Jean_La]

Thanks Lady, I really don't see how the brass have any other choice. It would cause a whirlwind if she was turned down. But :shrug:

I think she was and it did. But they relented. imo

[Not Telling]

Yeah, you wouldn't want the soldier's confidence in their CIC to erode, I mean waffling back and forth on making a decision for reinforcements for months wouldn't lower their confidence, would it?

Oh yes! It makes so much sense to compare violating federal law on a military base with educating oneself, and giving careful consideration and deliberation to every option available while making one of the biggest and most serious decisions a CIC will ever make...

We would have been so much better off if the Bush administration had bothered to educate itself, and had given careful consideration on how to do the "right thing" rather than spending the majority of it's time and resources trying to figure out how to circumvent and break laws and cover it up... jmo

[daniel green]

I think she was and it did. But they relented. imo

That is incorrect.

[LisaM22]

"Palin Supporters Struggle To Explain Why They Support Palin"


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/23/palin-supporters-struggle_n_367800.html

[Lady_Jean_La]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/11/24/2009-11-24_sarah_palins_book_tour_for_going_rogue_hits_for t_bragg.html

AP

[Mahalo]

Sounds very similar to an interview with SP....:drool:

[LisaM22]

Sounds very similar to an interview with SP....:drool:

lol, guess that is why they support her....

[Lady_Jean_La]

That is incorrect.

Late last week, Fort Bragg decided to ban media from the event because they were afraid Palin’s visit would turn into a political platform against the current administration. Officials at the Army post later changed their mind.

http://news14.com/charlotte-news-104-content/local_news/617946/sarah-palin-to-sign-copies-of--going-rogue--in-n-c--monday

see video :thumbsup:

[Mahalo]

I think she was and it did. But they relented. imo

Your links don't back up your assertion. Never did the DOD say they were keeping palin out...Poor try at masking the truth by you, but I think most expect that of your info, by now.

[Lady_Jean_La]

Your links don't back up your assertion. Never did the DOD say they were keeping palin out...Poor try at masking the truth by you, but I think most expect that of your info, by now.

The links speak for themselves. In my opinion, the military did not want the event reported. They relented. imo

[daniel green]

http://news14.com/charlotte-news-104-content/local_news/617946/sarah-palin-to-sign-copies-of--going-rogue--in-n-c--monday

see video :thumbsup:

That is not what you alleged upthread.

[ninetoes]

IIRC (which I may not) the base had banned media from covering Palin at Ft. Bragg. They relented on that decision and allowed the media to be there. It was the same for Ft Hood.

[Lady_Jean_La]

IIRC (which I may not) the base had banned media from covering Palin at Ft. Bragg. They relented on that decision and allowed the media to be there.
I think a fair reading of the links show that and it is my opinion, others are free to interpret the reports as they like. imo

[Mahalo]

I think a fair reading of the links show that and it is my opinion, others are free to interpret the reports as they like. imo

That was NOT what you stated.... You said she was, and it did.... Anyway, you are about to spin in circles...Have a nice evening.

[Mahalo]

Thanks Lady, I really don't see how the brass have any other choice. It would cause a whirlwind if she was turned down. But :shrug:

:read: And you posted.....

[Mahalo]

I think she was and it did. But they relented. imo

LOL, again have a great evening

[daniel green]

I think a fair reading of the links show that and it is my opinion, others are free to interpret the reports as they like. imo

Facts are fact. Not up for interpretation. You said she had been barred and they relented, which did not happen, as the link you posted shows.

[Casspian]

Great letter, Casspian .... :thumbsup:

jmo


Thank you ... I don't mind if Sarah promotes her book or signs copies on the bases ... I do mind when PAC's are raising funds and it appears a miniature political rally, replete with nasty slogans against the president and people commenting negatively towards our Commander in Chief, is occurring there. If Sarah is raising funds for her PAC then she considers herself a politician still or is engaging in political acts.

[theal3]

LOL Mahalo. It's really amazing to watch, isn't it ?? Goodness, most of those people know NOTHING about Sarah Palin, they also don't seem to know anything about America, in general.

It's hard to imagine that they VOTE !!!

jmo

I heard a west coast radio show a couple of days ago and the discussion was on why the fringe GOP groups and talking heads are so angry and and show up protesting their govt, line up to buy Sarah's book: and a caller said: because we want to go back to the basics of the founding fathers and the Constitution and all the other papers and documents that came before it to found our country, like the Bill of Rights.

The host said: Do you know where to find the Bill of Rights, and in which document it's located in? And 2 callers said: they'd google it if they had to find it, or look it up in Wiki.... in otherwords...

They didn't know it was the first 10 amendments to the Constitution. I couldn't believe me ears. I do think quite of few people shouting "refound the country" or following the freedom, liberty, take our country back crowd, really don't understand history, or just superficially, IMHO. It's befundles reason.

[Casspian]

Thanks for starting this thread. I had read a little bit about this late last night & I am appalled that apparently neither Sarah Palin, nor her father has the first, flippin' clue about how completely inappropriate this is.

There are military restrictions regarding political activities on military installations. I cannot believe that she & her associates were NOT informed of these restrictions beforehand.

Why in the world her own father didn't know enough to keep his lips zipped is more than I can figure out. I don't care who you are, you do NOT diss the CIC on a military installation. Sheesh! How hard is that to understand?

And having the means already set up so that donations could be made to her political action committee? Give me a break, you can't tell me she didn't know better.

JMO


Nicely said... I agree, they know darn well, they are pushing the envelope and feigning ignorance should anyone say it is inappropriate. I'm sure Sarah will claim people are picking on her or something if they say anything critical.

[Lady_Jean_La]

I heard a west coast radio show a couple of days ago and the discussion was on why the fringe GOP groups and talking heads are so angry and and show up protesting their govt, line up to buy Sarah's book: and a caller said: because we want to go back to the basics of the founding fathers and the Constitution and all the other papers and documents that came before it to found our country, like the Bill of Rights.

The host said: Do you know where to find the Bill of Rights, and in which document it's located in? And 2 callers said: they'd google it if they had to find it, or look it up in Wiki.... in otherwords...

They didn't know it was the first 10 amendments to the Constitution. I couldn't believe me ears. I do think quite of few people shouting "refound the country" or following the freedom, liberty, take our country back crowd, really don't understand history, or just superficially, IMHO. It's befundles reason.

Makes me wonder about the USA education system.

[Casspian]

She broke the rules set out by the military at Ft Bragg. That display there was just wrong. And asking for donations to her PAC?

I agree, she broke the rules and it makes me disgusted she would do this. I also think she she already broke the rules, she had no right to go to Ft. Hood and should have been banned for any promotions on any military base due to her behavior. Although I'm sure if she were banned, no matter how wrong she is, it would make her into a martyr with her followers. I just think it is all wrong and a slap in the face to other Americans.

[LisaM22]

Makes me wonder about the USA education system.

sadly you can not force people to learn, that do not want to learn, it's a shame really

[theal3]

Makes me wonder about the USA education system.

Well, thankfully, the education system HAS served us well, most succeed, and there will always be those that with the D's and F's, and no interest in certain subjects, cause we all get to decide what we want to pursue or do with our lives. Some have high goals than others, or grew up in better circumstances, but one can ALWAYS go back and finish school or pursue higher learning. Unlike other countries where you are tracked, and tagged, and steered into certain vocations or professions and have one shot at it.

We've produced some of the most innovative, creative, hardest working, productive people on the planet, how else did we get to be #1 and progress since the Civil War? Only after that was education emphasis, but it ebbs and tides. Still most succeed, at least at an average level.

You get out of it, what you put into it. IMHO

[History Buff]

I would like for an Obama supporter explain you support him without using the words hope and change and not mentioning Bush and skin color.

[Mimi428]

I agree, she broke the rules and it makes me disgusted she would do this. I also think she she already broke the rules, she had no right to go to Ft. Hood and should have been banned for any promotions on any military base due to her behavior. Although I'm sure if she were banned, no matter how wrong she is, it would make her into a martyr with her followers. I just think it is all wrong and a slap in the face to other Americans.

ITA with you & Susan about that.

A lot of Palin's behavior reminds me very much of the kind which is practiced by people who look for ways to be compensated & to receive sympathy. Envision the sort of person who sees a shopping cart rolling through the parking lot & then steps in front of it just at the last minute. They have already mentally gauged that they can take the hit & make it look as if they have had a near-death experience. Sooooo tragic, sooooo much of a victim. Poor, pitiful them. And isn't just awwwwwwful that the big, bad store doesn't think they are injured & deserve a ton of money for their faux pain?

I don't think the woman is too dense to comprehend the DoD rules about political fund-raising. I think she is calculating & wily enough to know that if there is any measurable consequence to flaunting the rules at military installations that she can get airtime with a friendly member of the media & then whine to her heart's content. Soooo unfair. Sooooo unreasonable. Poor, pitiful Sarah. Picked on. Martyred, yet again.

JMO

[History Buff]

Good luck in getting answer to that question, they'll probably just post something from the dailykos or huffingtonpost.

[Not Telling]

I would like for an Obama supporter explain you support him without using the words hope and change and not mentioning Bush and skin color.

In other words, you want to know peoples' opinions as long as you can define the way in which they express their opinion?

[Mimi428]

I would like for an Obama supporter explain you support him without using the words hope and change and not mentioning Bush and skin color.

Have you considered starting a thread about it? You could ask that question in the opening post.

This thread is very specifically about a completely different person.

[Mahalo]

How is criticizing me addressing the topic at hand? I asked a question in the post you criticized:you couldn't answer it before, take another stab at it. It's obvious to all who is shifting the focus. :w00t:

I'll answer it.......Unless they joined in the last 10 months or so, your utterance can't be true, because if waffling caused a drop in confidence of the CIC, all Service Men and Women would have lost ALL their confidence under the bush regime.... Heck bush abandoned Afghanistan to go chase Sadam.

[History Buff]

I just wanted to post that to show how two can play at this game. But since ya'll aren't interested in my question I'll answer.
I like Sarah because she's the closest I've ever seen in my short life of a genuine person who has been in government and can relate to those of us here in the real America, and she's a true Washington Outsider (how much further from Washington can one get than Alaska?). I know you Palin haters won't accept that and will continue to belittle her and those of us who like her but that's my answer.

[Mahalo]

In other words, you want to know peoples' opinions as long as you can define the way in which they express their opinion?

LOL, how typical is THAT!!!!:scared::scared:

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Or post an opinion and then claim it's fact checked. :w00t:

Quite!

Poor Lady_Jean_LA said "I think"

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=13670376&postcount=49

An now because she voiced what she thought ( an opinion) she is misquoted with the all important "I THINK" removed and the letters are made gigantic, to prove what, that she is not allowed to "think"? :blink:

[History Buff]

Like you guys aren't doing that with this thread title and that link from the huffingtonpost?

[Not Telling]

I heard a west coast radio show a couple of days ago and the discussion was on why the fringe GOP groups and talking heads are so angry and and show up protesting their govt, line up to buy Sarah's book: and a caller said: because we want to go back to the basics of the founding fathers and the Constitution and all the other papers and documents that came before it to found our country, like the Bill of Rights.

The host said: Do you know where to find the Bill of Rights, and in which document it's located in? And 2 callers said: they'd google it if they had to find it, or look it up in Wiki.... in otherwords...

They didn't know it was the first 10 amendments to the Constitution. I couldn't believe me ears. I do think quite of few people shouting "refound the country" or following the freedom, liberty, take our country back crowd, really don't understand history, or just superficially, IMHO. It's befundles reason.

Wasn't it Sarah Palin who couldn't even name a Supreme Court Case other than Roe V. Wade? It seems to me that she could have at least remembered the Exxon Valdez case which resulted in the loss of $2 billion in damages being paid to the State of Alaska while she was the Gov. or how about Bush v. GORE or Miranda?

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

How is criticizing me addressing the topic at hand? I asked a question in the post you criticized:you couldn't answer it before, take another stab at it. It's obvious to all who is shifting the focus. :w00t:

Not to mention her Dad was asked a question in an interview and now it grows or sounds like he was speaking to the troops or something. :rolleyes:

[Mahalo]

Quite!

Poor Lady_Jean_LA said "I think"

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=13670376&postcount=49

An now because she voiced what she thought ( an opinion) she is misquoted with the all important "I THINK" removed and the letters are made gigantic, to prove what, that she is not allowed to "think"? :blink:

She changed what she was 'thinking', when it was pointedout the links didn't address the original 'thought' of sarah being banned. The same rw circuitous posting, over and over again.....She can think all she wants, or at I hope she can. Doesn't detract from my pointing out her links didn't support.

[LisaM22]

LOL Mahalo. It's really amazing to watch, isn't it ?? Goodness, most of those people know NOTHING about Sarah Palin, they also don't seem to know anything about America, in general.

It's hard to imagine that they VOTE !!!

jmo

it was a very interesting video to watch, these people had no clue why they liked palin other then they were told too by their church and the far right, the right seems to like to be told what to do rather then think for themselves

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

She changed what she was 'thinking', when it was pointedout the links didn't address the original 'thought' of sarah being banned. The same rw circuitous posting, over and over again.....She can think all she wants, or at I hope she can. Doesn't detract from my pointing out her links didn't support.


Wasn't it you who PURPOSELY misquoted her in removing the words "I think" and then made those words 2 inches high? Yes it was..

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=13670627&postcount=60

[Mimi428]

I just wanted to post that to show how two can play at this game. But since ya'll aren't interested in my question I'll answer.
I like Sarah because she's the closest I've ever seen in my short life of a genuine person who has been in government and can relate to those of us here in the real America, and she's a true Washington Outsider (how much further from Washington can one get than Alaska?). I know you Palin haters won't accept that and will continue to belittle her and those of us who like her but that's my answer.

Thanks for your answer. Much appreciated.

You are entitled to see her as a 'genuine' person, that is certainly your right. Speaking only for myself, she reminds me WAY too much of a cheat, fraud & grifter. I used to work in a field which involved investigation of people who did just those sorts of things - & although I do not believe it will change your mind, I can tell you that some of the things she says & does, most especially the way she reacts to any criticism, would most certainly be able to be described as straight out of the handbook, IMNVHO.

Maybe I have a jaundiced eye for that sort of thing, I dunno. I can understand why others who aren't familiar with that type & style of inter-personal behavior & who have not spent years working around people like that could completely overlook it & interpret it all as something benign.

JMO

[History Buff]

All I want to know is why there is so much hostility and animosity toward her.

[Lady_Jean_La]

Not to mention her Dad was asked a question in an interview and now it grows or sounds like he was speaking to the troops or something. :rolleyes:Thank you for pointing that out. I had missed that. Actually, the headline doesn't seem backed up by the article. What was the bashing that Sarah Palin did?

:confused:

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Thank you for pointing that out. I had missed that. Actually, the headline doesn't seem backed up by the article. What was the bashing that Sarah Palin did?

:confused:

There was nothing in the article that said Palin bashed Obama at this event. The headline is a "reader grabber' and nothing more than hogwash to incite people.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Lady .... I'm trying to think of an analogy .... admittedly I can't.

Considering what has happened at Fort Hood in the recent past, her mere presence there is objectionable, imo. It's not so much her "presence", as her "campaign style presence". It "looks" as if she is trying to undercut the President. The fact she's traveling all over the country is one thing .... but why would she consider making a book-signing tour of military bases ?? As far as I'm concerned, when she steps onto a military base, she should be SUPPORTING the President, simply because he is the Commander-In-Chief of the Armed Forces. She shouldn't be selling books .... there are many paces where she can sell books. She shouldn't be collecting money for SarahPAC.

jmo

Were you aware that Obama's book was available in the PX FAR before he won the presidency? Should his books have been removed? Not because he bashed anyone but because they could be used as campaign tools.

Are you also aware that there are no bans on book as far as I know in the PX or on base libraries. Which means that Ann Coulter and Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 was available on base. A movie that many claimed bashed Bush..

Our military men and women are pretty darn smart and I think I will leave it up to them as to whose autograph they get as long as he or she is not seeking office.

[Lady_Jean_La]

Lady .... I'm trying to think of an analogy .... admittedly I can't.

Considering what has happened at Fort Hood in the recent past, her mere presence there is objectionable, imo. It's not so much her "presence", as her "campaign style presence". It "looks" as if she is trying to undercut the President. The fact she's traveling all over the country is one thing .... but why would she consider making a book-signing tour of military bases ?? As far as I'm concerned, when she steps onto a military base, she should be SUPPORTING the President, simply because he is the Commander-In-Chief of the Armed Forces. She shouldn't be selling books .... there are many places where she can sell books. She shouldn't be collecting money for SarahPAC.

jmo

Thank you for the reply. Very interesting that just showing up is bashing for some. And it appears AP agrees with you. imo

[Lady_Jean_La]

Lady .... I don't believe I've used the word "bashing" in this thread. Rather, I've used the word "undercutting". That's how it appears to me.

jmo
I'm sorry I may have misunderstood. I asked about bashing in the headline and you replied.

AP indicated bashing in the headline and I just don't see it. But I can accept your explanation whatever you want to call it. I can also see how AP may share your view.

It was pointed out to me earlier that facts are facts. But to me the bashing is an opinion even though it is reported as a fact.

To be clear... Do you see Sarah Palin bashing the President anywhere in the article? Of course, I guess it comes down to what is bashing. To me, a different view is not bashing. imo

[birdwatch]

I'm sorry I may have misunderstood. I asked about bashing in the headline and you replied.

AP indicated bashing in the headline and I just don't see it. But I can accept your explanation whatever you want to call it. I can also see how AP may share your view.

It was pointed out to me earlier that facts are facts. But to me the bashing is an opinion even though it is reported as a fact.

To be clear... Do you see Sarah Palin bashing the President anywhere in the article? Of course, I guess it comes down to what is bashing. To me, a different view is not bashing. imo Among other things she wants the President to acknowlege the sacrfices or our troops. Meaning he does not, I assume. And her father made his remarks in an interview at Ft. Bragg. I think what they are both doing is just wrong. They are the last things Ft. Hood needs now, IMO. I wish they would stay away from all the military bases.

[Casspian]

Were you aware that Obama's book was available in the PX FAR before he won the presidency? Should his books have been removed? Not because he bashed anyone but because they could be used as campaign tools.

Are you also aware that there are no bans on book as far as I know in the PX or on base libraries. Which means that Ann Coulter and Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 was available on base. A movie that many claimed bashed Bush..

Our military men and women are pretty darn smart and I think I will leave it up to them as to whose autograph they get as long as he or she is not seeking office.

This doesn't have anything to do with what books are available in the PX. As far as I'm concerned (and I said this already) authors can also go sign books. Palin should not be raising money for her PAC while there nor should her father be bad mouthing Obama the way he has. I'm not even sure why they are interviewing him and if there are why isn't he commenting on Sarah's book and NOT taking the chance to bad mouth Obama just because she is getting press for a book signing? You think that isn't all by design :bored:

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

This doesn't have anything to do with what books are available in the PX. As far as I'm concerned (and I said this already) authors can also go sign books. Palin should not be raising money for her PAC while there nor should her father be bad mouthing Obama the way he has. I'm not even sure why they are interviewing him and if there are why isn't he commenting on Sarah's book and NOT taking the chance to bad mouth Obama just because she is getting press for a book signing? You think that isn't all by design :bored:

Show me where, other than that being written on her bus she is asking for funds while signing books. Bases have reporters if they asked her Dad a question and he answered it is not Palin's fault. Do I think he should have said "no comment", yes I do. But thats what reporters do they fish--- until they get a story.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Ians .... I think it's the personal visit that bothers me. Obviously, there are going to be books written by various authors ((political and otherwise)) that are going to be there. It's the "conception" for me .... the "campaign-like appearance" .... her father making somewhat detrimental remarks . I think that's different than having a book sit on a shelf.

jmo

Hey Fair!

I believe her father should have zipped it. As I said above reporters puch sometimes until they get the response they want. I wonder if the problem is people wondering if she will run( God I hope not) and then confusing this with an "appearnece" like atmosphere?

[Casspian]

Show me where, other than that being written on her bus she is asking for funds while signing books. Bases have reporters if they asked her Dad a question and he answered it is not Palin's fault. Do I think he should have said "no comment", yes I do. But thats what reporters do they fish--- until they get a story.

Where is her bus? There is a solicitation for SarahPac on the side of the bus, I think. Here's the pic with SarahPAC written on the side of the bus". This is campaigning, is it not? What civilian has a political action committee?

http://media.charlotteobserver.com/smedia/2009/11/23/16/s399-sarah_15.standalone.prod_affiliate.138.jpg

...she accused Obama of not acknowledging or not respecting the troops, what does that have to do with her book?


BTW, Col Danner's fax is
254-288-2750

[RayStar]

Thanks Casspian for the link on her bus. Yes, that's a campaign bus if there ever was one.

[Mahalo]

All I want to know is why there is so much hostility and animosity toward her.

There is none. SHE posted a comment, and Daniel said it wasn't so. Then SHE posted irrelevant links with laughing faces. Sooooooooo, you could ask why she mocked Daniel, OR, you could ask why ljl didn't just retract saying that palin had been barred. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. It's not about her posting 'I think', it's about her efforts to have folks believe her evidence supported what she 'thought'. Clearly it didn't.

[Mahalo]

I think Palin has suspended her visit to Ft Hood....

[Mimi428]

I think Palin has suspended her visit to Ft Hood....

You do? Why do you think that? I haven't read/heard anything today about it, but it would not surprise me.

[Mahalo]

You do? Why do you think that? I haven't read/heard anything today about it, but it would not surprise me.

http://www.themudflats.net/

:read:

[Mimi428]

http://www.themudflats.net/

:read:

Thanks for the link. Which part of it were you referring to? TIA

[shortinbread]

The Left is afraid of her and they don't seem to want to engage her in a debate so they're trying to do what they do with those whom they disagree, silence or destroy. I don't recall them jumping Harry Reid for undercutting the CIC when he famously declared "the war is lost". I don't recall them correcting Kerry when he went on Face the Nation and said that our soldiers are terrorizing women and children.
We wouldn't hear any outrage from them if this say Clinton or Gore denouncing Bush.

You are absolutely correct!!

[Lady_Jean_La]

Hi shortinbread .... I wonder what you mean when you agree that the "Left is scared of her" ?? Obviously, you don't mean in the literal sense, and from what I've heard, "The Left" would welcome it if she ran for the Presidency in 2012. I don't think they're "scared" of her at all.

jmo

The establishment is afraid of that which they can not control. A woman from a small state, who didn't go to an Ivy League school and isn't familiar with Washington can be a scary thought.

Hillary Clinton was a great challenge but she was a known quantity. The unknown is unpredictable. imo

[Mimi428]

Hi shortinbread .... I wonder what you mean when you agree that the "Left is scared of her" ?? Obviously, you don't mean in the literal sense, and from what I've heard, "The Left" would welcome it if she ran for the Presidency in 2012. I don't think they're "scared" of her at all.

jmo

The most consistent comments I see/read/hear are those that express the idea that it would pretty much guarantee the re-election of Obama if Palin actually did make a run for POTUS in 2012. I don't recall offhand right now where I read it (it was an opinion piece), but I remember laughing out loud when I read that many of the current WH staffers would contribute the max allowable to a Palin POTUS ticket.

[Mahalo]

The only fear I'd have, is that she get elected. Since that won't happen, no fear here!! Love to see her run, though, entertainment would be worth it.

[Mimi428]

The establishment is afraid of that which they can not control. A woman from a small state, who didn't go to an Ivy League school and isn't familiar with Washington can be a scary thought.

Hillary Clinton was a great challenge but she was a known quantity. The unknown is unpredictable. imo

How do you define "the establishment"? In the case of Palin, I do not think the criticism of her from the political establishment, as it exists in DC, is nearly the same as the criticisms from the unwashed masses, as it were.

As one who would belong to the unwashed mass group, I definitely prefer that any politician to have a solid grounding in law - how laws are established, what will pass constitutional muster, & so on. I expect anyone who gets my vote to have a strong intellect & an even stronger intellectual curiosity. Someone who is a constant learner, IOW. I also expect a politician on the national level to have a solid appreciation of international issues & diplomacy - we DO live in a global world, after all. I think our country's status as a huge leader & super power of the free world gives us a lot of clout, but it also requires the individual to have a lot of respect for that responsibility.

On all of the above, I think Palin comes up waaaaay too short.

JMO

[johnrs8]

I just wanted to post that to show how two can play at this game. But since ya'll aren't interested in my question I'll answer.
I like Sarah because she's the closest I've ever seen in my short life of a genuine person who has been in government and can relate to those of us here in the real America, and she's a true Washington Outsider (how much further from Washington can one get than Alaska?). I know you Palin haters won't accept that and will continue to belittle her and those of us who like her but that's my answer.



Why people equate distance from Washington, to different from Washington, I'll never figure out.

[Mahalo]

If I supported her, which I certainly don't, I'd be struggling too. She does virtually nothing but point her finger at others. The media was unfair to poor sp, asking her tough questions like
a) What SC decisions do you disagree with
b) What do you read

Know her answer is to just ban the media......The silliness continues.

[Mahalo]

Ten good reasons to struggle!

The Cover Byline: Palin didn't write the book by herself. Most books with known ghostwriters list their co-author's name on the cover. In this case it was Lynn Vincent (a well-known homophobe). Going Rogue does not.

The Subtitle: An American Life. Aside from her infancy, Palin has really spent very little time outside of Alaska, and according to John McCain's campaign advisors, was shockingly unfamiliar with American geography and American history. "Alaska," as John McPhee noted in his resplendent Coming Into the Country, "is a foreign country...Its nature is its own."


Going Rogue features Palin's obsession with Katie Couric and characterizes the CBS anchor as "badgering." Palin refused to prep for the Couric interview because she was more concerned about her popularity in Alaska than about what was best for the campaign. Was it really badgering to ask what books or periodicals Palin read? Palin further claims that Couric suffered from low self-esteem. In fact, according to those close to Palin, it's the former governor who suffers from low self-esteem and frequently projects that onto other women.


Palin asserts that there was a "jaded aura" around McCain's political advisors once she entered the campaign. In fact, McCain's aides bent over backwards to protect Palin and to try to get her up to speed on international affairs. In addition to not knowing whether or not Africa was a continent, according to sources in the McCain campaign, Palin also didn't understand the difference between England and Great Britain. And much, much more.


Palin contends to have been saddled with legal bills of more than $500,000 resulting from what she calls "frivolous" ethics complaints filed against her. The lion's share of those bills resulted from the ethics complaint she filed against herself in a legal maneuver to sidestep the Troopergate charges being brought against her by the bipartisan Alaska Legislative Council.


Palin rather astonishingly claims that she was saddled with $50,000 in bills for the legal fees associated with her vice-presidential vetting. A) She was not vetted; B) A McCain campaign advisor says this is "categorically untrue."


Palin states that she found out only "minutes" before John McCain's concession speech that she would not be allowed to make remarks of her own introducing McCain. In fact, she had been told at least three times that she would not be allowed to give the speech and kept lying about it in the hopes of creating some last-minute chaos that would allow her to assume the dais.


Palin asserts that her effort to award a license for a natural gas transmission line was turning a "pipe dream" into a pipeline. Although she claimed otherwise in her speech at the GOP convention, there is no pipeline. It remains a pipe dream.


Palin implies that the McCain campaign intentionally bungled the release of information regarding her daughter Bristol's pregnancy and refused to let her rewrite it. In fact, the McCain campaign allowed her to rework the draft, but the original version went out accidentally. Palin reportedly accepted the recalcitrant staff member's apology for the mistake, then when she left, ordered her immediately dismissed of her duties.


Palin complains that McCain's senior advisors, most notably Steve Schmidt, forced her to "stick with the script" they provided her. In fact, Schmidt & Co. were encumbered with the task of keeping Palin from lying and misleading people throughout the campaign, from her well-documented lies about the "Bridge to Nowhere" to her duplicities about her husband Todd's assocation with the Alaska Independence Party. Palin's lying to those in the McCain campaign was so troubling to them that they cringed every time she went "off script."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/geoffrey-dunn/the-first-ten-lies-from-e_b_356347.html

[crocdog1]

I just wanted to post that to show how two can play at this game. But since ya'll aren't interested in my question I'll answer.
I like Sarah because she's the closest I've ever seen in my short life of a genuine person who has been in government and can relate to those of us here in the real America, and she's a true Washington Outsider (how much further from Washington can one get than Alaska?). I know you Palin haters won't accept that and will continue to belittle her and those of us who like her but that's my answer.

RE: [I like Sarah because she's the closest I've ever seen in my short life of a genuine person who has been in government and can relate to those of us here in the real America....]

Ah yes, "those of us here in the real America." This being, of course, those who agree to "our", that is to say the fundamentalist, way of thinking.

In other words if we are Christians (and other beliefs) who do not believe in the fundamentalist Religious agenda, then we are godless (please refer to Elizabeth Dole).

If we do not believe the lies that Obama is not a Christian, then we are not "REAL Americans."

Same goes if we do not believe the lies that Obama is not our legal President.

There are other falsehoods and lies too, such as saying Obama is a NAZI.

The "REAL AMERICANS" are those who follow the leader of the Republican Party--Rush Limbaugh, and his lackeys--Michele Bachmann, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, and others.

JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION

[StarShine]

A better question might be why does the left start foaming at the mouth at the mere mention of Sarah Palin? The hatred and attacks have been non-stop since she was put on the ticket.

It can't be just her politics, is it because she chose not to abort a down syndrome baby, or maybe because she is very attractive and still has a great figure despite having 5 children, or could it be her independence, she does speaks her mind rather than the party mantra. She also seems to believe in personal responsibility, a big negative in the lib world, then there's the daughter's unwed pregnancy (although she did choose not to abort) but that is a positive for the left but then again a positive only if you support their politics.

I might be mistaken but I think she might also believe in a higher power, :scared: that would definitely get the froth flowing. Maybe some of the non-stop Palin bashers would be kind enough to help me out. TIA

Wow I love this post!!

[Mahalo]

A better question might be why does the left start foaming at the mouth at the mere mention of Sarah Palin? The hatred and attacks have been non-stop since she was put on the ticket.

It can't be just her politics, is it because she chose not to abort a down syndrome baby, or maybe because she is very attractive and still has a great figure despite having 5 children, or could it be her independence, she does speaks her mind rather than the party mantra. She also seems to believe in personal responsibility, a big negative in the lib world, then there's the daughter's unwed pregnancy (although she did choose not to abort) but that is a positive for the left but then again a positive only if you support their politics.

I might be mistaken but I think she might also believe in a higher power, :scared: that would definitely get the froth flowing. Maybe some of the non-stop Palin bashers would be kind enough to help me out. TIA

Refer to the ten best above. The tired old meme of your post has never rung true. Personal responsibility? Surely you jest! After her quitting her post, I rank her up there with Sanford. C'mon, you can do better than that, defend your gal?!? What in your post stands out as making her a could Leader of the Country? Nada.

[Mahalo]

As soon as I read "a well-known homophobe" there was no sense in reading any further, that opinion was only meant for left wing sheeple.

LOL, calling people sheeple doesn't change the fact that palin chose a rabid anti-gay person for her ghostwriter...Do you deny that? Are you that sheltered from current events? And, since you can't produce any reason other than palin's figure....

[Mahalo]

Give an example of the writer's rabid anti-gay actions.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200911130011

Vincent has authored several columns on gay rights issues, frequently deriding gay men and lesbians as abnormal and "devian[t]," often trafficking in hackneyed stereotypes of the gay community. Vincent even went so far as to lament the American Psychiatric Association's decision to declassify homosexuality as a mental disorder,

Gay people are like communists, seek "sexual gratification without responsibility," wear dog collars. From Vincent's April 10, 1999, World column, headlined "How homosexuals fight":

[Lady_Jean_La]

If I supported her, which I certainly don't, I'd be struggling too. She does virtually nothing but point her finger at others. The media was unfair to poor sp, asking her tough questions like
a) What SC decisions do you disagree with
b) What do you read

Know her answer is to just ban the media......The silliness continues.

Where has Sarah Palin banned the press?

[Mahalo]

Where has Sarah Palin banned the press?

My suggestion to you, is do some research, ljl.

[Mahalo]

Having an opinion that disagrees with some in the homosexual community is a "rabid anti-gay person". :sneaky:

Smirk all ya like! You're busted. But, you already knew that. Keep concentrating on sp's figure.....

[R~O~S]

A better question might be why does the left start foaming at the mouth at the mere mention of Sarah Palin? The hatred and attacks have been non-stop since she was put on the ticket.

It can't be just her politics, is it because she chose not to abort a down syndrome baby, or maybe because she is very attractive and still has a great figure despite having 5 children, or could it be her independence, she does speaks her mind rather than the party mantra. She also seems to believe in personal responsibility, a big negative in the lib world, then there's the daughter's unwed pregnancy (although she did choose not to abort) but that is a positive for the left but then again a positive only if you support their politics.

I might be mistaken but I think she might also believe in a higher power, :scared: that would definitely get the froth flowing. Maybe some of the non-stop Palin bashers would be kind enough to help me out. TIA


Her figure? Her appearance? That's the best you can do?

WTG in showing how shallow your requirements are for respectability.

How about her total lack of support for environmental issues in her own state that so depends on the environment? Did you know it was Sarah and her rush to build, build, build without requiring any protections for her own little town that killed that beautiful lake her house overlooks?

How about the multitude of ethics complaints, and her denial of the findings that clearly find her in violation?

Personal responsibility? Is that what you call it when you twice quit your job in the middle of the term? (Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission chair & Governor) Or blame the media for your horrid performance during a scheduled interview that allowed ample time for preparation?

How many colleges to gain one degree, in journalism? (4 & it took 6 years to get her Bachelors)

I don't hate Sarah, I don't think about her at all. She seems a nice enough woman, though we don't see eye to eye on a good many social issues.

She demonstrates a lack of focus in everything she does leading me to wonder how she or anyone else can believe her a good candidate for any public office on the national stage. It's Sarah who insists on revisiting the national stage and invites the criticism.

It seems she can't keep her own family business under control (trooper gate, Levi), but she thinks she's capable of running the country? I really don't think so, but I'm only one vote & it's a free country.

[Mahalo]

LOL, softballs? Asking someone what they read is a toughie??? OMG!!!!:rolleyes: Any Hoot! This thread isn't about our Fine President....It's about folks struggling to come up with reasons, let alone valid ones, why they support sp. Support her for what, I don't know....So far we have her girlish figure after child-bearing, and the opposition of an unannounced group who would have seen her baby aborted.....

[Mimi428]

It's about folks struggling to come up with reasons, let alone valid ones, why they support sp. Support her for what, I don't know....So far we have her girlish figure after child-bearing, and the opposition of an unannounced group who would have seen her baby aborted.....

<snipped>

Has anyone, anywhere, actually voted for or against any candidate based on their figure? Their looks? Puh-lease.

I do not understand the constant focus on Palin's looks/figure, as if that would ever be a reason to vote for or against her. Every time I see the comments about how she is opposed because of "jealously", it makes me wonder if the person making the comment is out of high school. Is it some sort of projection?

I can't see anything wrong with having good looks, a good figure, a family with good looks, etc. But WTH that has to do with being qualfied for office is more than I can figure out.

[Mimi428]

Tell me what Obama's qualifications for the presidency were, he had few compared to Palin.

<snipped>

What education does each of them have? In what subject did they each receive a degree? That ought to give you at least the start of a hint. There is no way I can possibly believe that a person with her level of education & her degree can come within 10,000 miles of being comparable to Obama's education & his degree.

Intellect! Intellectual curiosity. Questing for continued learning. Desire to understand the world. Basic knowledge of world geography & world history. Basic knowledge of North American geography & history, with emphasis on the USA. Essential understanding of laws & legislation. What will or won't pass constitutional muster. Having essential knowledge & respect for the concept of separation of church & state. Understanding the concepts of thoughtfulness & diplomacy. I believe our current POTUS possesses all those qualities.

Palin, OTOH, is so utterly lacking in those qualities that it astounds me some days to see the capacity her supporters seem to possess for dismissing things like that as being important.

JMO

[Mimi428]

Was it 57 or 58 states, his World apology tour, his foreign policy has been a disaster, should I mention his kowtowing to foreigners? How impressive is his being a "constitutional scholar" when he makes comments like he did about KSM? How impressive is he when he speaks off the cuff? How impressive is he when he takes months to make a decision on whether or not to send reinforcements to Afghanistan? We don't know how Palin would perform as president, so far she has never run for the office but is it possible she could do worse than Obama, I can't imagine how.

Sounds to me like you might want to start a thread about it.

This one is about Sarah Palin & how her own supporters have shown themselves to be unable to clearly state WHY they support her. It appears that you may belong with that particular group, since rather than address the point in the OP, you have tried to divert the question towards a discussion of Obama.

Anyway, my personal list of qualities I look for in folks running for POTUS does not include stuff like what sort of figure the person has, what the person's family may look like, how she looks after having children, how snazzy her designer glasses are & things of that nature. That just doesn't mean a blessed thing to me when I am trying to figure out who I am going to vote for. YMMV

[Mimi428]

Palin, Bachmann to headline Tea Party convention

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/11/25/palin-bachmann-to-headline-tea-party-convention/

Sarah Palin will be the main attraction at what's being billed as the "First National Tea Party Convention."

Tea Party Nation announced Wednesday that last year's Republican vice presidential candidate will serve as keynote speaker for the conference, scheduled to take place in Nashville, Tennessee February 4-6. A representative for Palin has confirmed the former Alaska governor's speaking role at the gathering.

The group also announced that Rep. Michele Bachmann will be speaking at the gathering as well. The Minnesota Republican has become a hero among many in the conservative movement. A representative for Bachmann confirms her speaking role.

What a pairing.

[R~O~S]

Anyone taking odds on whether Sarah will actually show?

[justaguy]

bachmann must be ticked. i mean IMO she purposefully "crazys up" when she is on tv..creates clips seen by many on youtube, pretty much destroys credibility to get face time....and she will, i assume not be headlining..palin will out of the two.

[Susan43]

Very interesting, and expensive. I wonder how many average people can afford the over $500 fee, plus hotel and meals? That seems pretty steep to me.

I wonder what other politicians plan to be there. That should be interesting too. I also wonder if any news channels will cover it.

[History Buff]

The fact that someone can do a good job reading something from a teleprompter doesn't mean anything to me. You can talk about Palin's lack of qualifications all you want but I would like point out that she actually completed her first term as governor unlike Obama who spent only roughly 150 days in the Senate because the rest of that time he was raising money and running for President therefore not even serving a full term in the Senate. I'll also remind you that she got more votes when she ran for mayor than Biden got when he ran for president.

[History Buff]

IMO she kept him from a bigger defeat than what he got. Looking at the numbers your guy isn't as popular as he was this time last year BTW.

[Susan43]

Boseedless .... the OP in this thread provided a link, which showed people who "supported" Sarah Palin, and many of them had no idea WHY they supported her. That was the point of the thread. The post said nothing about comparing President Obama and Sarah Palin.

Your post #29 on the thread "suggested" there were many reasons "The Left" "frothed at the mouth", at the mere mention of her name. I believe you asked for input in that post. You also suggested "The Left" hates her. I simply tried to point out that is not true. Now, even though you diverted from the original topic of the thread, I tried to answer your questions.

The point of the thread was not "tit-for-tat". You began to compare Palin to President Obama, which, imo, is so far off the mark, it doesn't even deserve comment.

I think most of the posters who express what they do about Sarah Palin, is because, like me, they don't think she is qualified to run for President of the US. I don't think it has anything to do with "hating" her. We are adults here .... surely we can disagree with the "politics" someone espouses, without "hating" them.

jmo

I feel the same way you do. In fact not only do I not hate her or am I jealous, but she, and the atmosphere around her, actually amuses me.

[Susan43]

The fact that someone can do a good job reading something from a teleprompter doesn't mean anything to me. You can talk about Palin's lack of qualifications all you want but I would like point out that she actually completed her first term as governor unlike Obama who spent only roughly 150 days in the Senate because the rest of that time he was raising money and running for President therefore not even serving a full term in the Senate. I'll also remind you that she got more votes when she ran for mayor than Biden got when he ran for president.

:confused: She did not finish her first term as governor.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/03/palin-quits-alaska-governor/

She also did not finish her term on the Alaska oil & gas commission

she chaired the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission from 2003 until her resignation in 2004.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

[Susan43]

Hi Susan .... Hope you had a wonderful day yesterday.

It's always so funny to me. "The Left" is always blamed for "picking on Sarah Palin". I wonder if they consider that she puts herself "right out there". It's not as if she's some shrinking violet. The woman INVITES criticism .... lol.

jmo

Hi FL, my son had to work yesterday (he works at a casino and holidays are big days for them) so we are having our "feast" on Sunday, his day off. But I hope you had a wonderful day.

Yep, it's funny to me too. I guess there are lefties that might be angry, but there's a surprising number of righties that really are mad. And I think if I was a rightie I might be just a tad angry that she has so much influence and not much chance of winning.

Have you ever thought that if the left had run a candidate with a daughter that had an a baby out of wedlock we never would have heard the end of it? We would see post after post about how degenerate we were and how bad our family values were. LOL So in a way she and her family have done us a huge favor by being front and center in this ongoing debate. So, I have to say I really appreciate her for this, if not much else.

[R~O~S]

The fact that someone can do a good job reading something from a teleprompter doesn't mean anything to me. You can talk about Palin's lack of qualifications all you want but I would like point out that she actually completed her first term as governor unlike Obama who spent only roughly 150 days in the Senate because the rest of that time he was raising money and running for President therefore not even serving a full term in the Senate. I'll also remind you that she got more votes when she ran for mayor than Biden got when he ran for president.

Opps, you need to check those facts. Palin resigned prior to completing her first term as Governor.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/03/AR2009070301738.html

The announcement that she will step down by the end of July stunned the political establishment, fueling speculation about why she is leaving office with 18 months left in her first term and whether her future will include a run for the presidency.

Palin offered few clues about her ambitions but said she arrived at her decision in part to protect her family, which has faced withering criticism and occasional mockery, and to escape ethics probes that have drained her family's finances and hampered her ability to govern.

There's a heck of a difference between seeking higher office and quitting with 18 months left in her first term because she was having a temper tantrum. I wonder, if elected to national office, will she quit if the press is mean to her?

[History Buff]

Atleast she finished high school and college unlike so many prominent lefties. This link is Obama in his own words regarding experience:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BnLozS-TnM

[R~O~S]

Atleast she finished high school and college unlike so many prominent lefties. This link is Obama in his own words regarding experience:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BnLozS-TnM


lol, is that the best you've got? You get all the facts wrong and now it's the "lefties" fault and they're uneducated to boot?

Even that would defy the facts:

http://dabacon.org/pontiff/?p=539

[MercedesV]

Very interesting, and expensive. I wonder how many average people can afford the over $500 fee, plus hotel and meals? That seems pretty steep to me.

I wonder what other politicians plan to be there. That should be interesting too. I also wonder if any news channels will cover it.

I get the feeling that Joe sixpack and Joe the Plumber don't usually stay there. Is this the 'real' America Palin keeps going on about? Is this their version of fiscal responsibility, conservative spending, and represents what average Americans struggling with a bad economy would do? Are we all suppose to relate to staying there, as if it were the norm?

Wonder how much Palin is going to be paid for the appearance and who is footing these bills. The Republican PAC's or the other corporate sponsors of this astroturf group.

[tiptop]

I think we should want any President to be educated more than a Journalism degree. Choosing ideology and ignoring real qualifications does not make much sense to me.

IMO a Journalism degree isnt the make-or-break qualification. I dont dislike her because of her degree. I dislike her because of her apparent lack of foreign affairs. He lack of ability to converse about anything more than hunting or fishing. And her lack of knowledge on anything beyond Alaska. And even that seems to be a stretch. She's a drama queen who lucked into a VP position because of her looks. And she has yet to prove she's worthy of any more.

[Patriot]

I just wanted to post that to show how two can play at this game. But since ya'll aren't interested in my question I'll answer.
I like Sarah because she's the closest I've ever seen in my short life of a genuine person who has been in government and can relate to those of us here in the real America, and she's a true Washington Outsider (how much further from Washington can one get than Alaska?). I know you Palin haters won't accept that and will continue to belittle her and those of us who like her but that's my answer.


I agree with you, HB, about her being a "genuine person". I went to one of her book signings - got up at 2:30 a.m and got in line at 4:00. Met a lot of nice people from all walks of life, including all walks of political life.

I was pleasantly surprised by Sarah. After having received a coveted bracelet of only one thousand given out, I expected a quick signature in my books (2 book limit and I had 2) and a quick pass. I certainly never expected to actually speak to her. After all, there were thousands of people there all hoping to get a bracelet and their books signed and she was only signing for three hours for those who were early enough to get bracelets.

Yet, Sarah looked each person in the eye, asked us our names and a little something about ourselves. She asked me what I did for a living and we had a quick exchange about that. She shook our hands and hugged some. She took a moment for each person in line and was as 'genuine' as genuine gets. Add that to the fact that she got off of her bus with Trig in her arms - a mom showing that she is a mom first but can still have her career - what an incredibly refreshing change from the politician we have all come to know. Thumbs up, Sarah. :thumbup:

[tiptop]

I agree with you, HB, about her being a "genuine person". I went to one of her book signings - got up at 2:30 a.m and got in line at 4:00. Met a lot of nice people from all walks of life, including all walks of political life.

I was pleasantly surprised by Sarah. After having received a coveted bracelet of only one thousand given out, I expected a quick signature in my books (2 book limit and I had 2) and a quick pass. I certainly never expected to actually speak to her. After all, there were thousands of people there all hoping to get a bracelet and their books signed and she was only signing for three hours for those who were early enough to get bracelets.

Yet, Sarah looked each person in the eye, asked us our names and a little something about ourselves. She asked me what I did for a living and we had a quick exchange about that. She shook our hands and hugged some. She took a moment for each person in line and was as 'genuine' as genuine gets. Add that to the fact that she got off of her bus with Trig in her arms - a mom showing that she is a mom first but can still have her career - what an incredibly refreshing change from the politician we have all come to know. Thumbs up, Sarah. :thumbup:


What other politicians have you come to know via their books? She was selling herself and her book. Of course she used her Downs child to sell herself. She has nothing else.

I asked some Republican women in my office why they supported Palin. They has no answer other than she had a Downs child. They knew nothing about her or her stance on anything other than the fact that she had a Downs baby. I found that to be a poor reason for standing behind a political nominee. IMO that is why McCain got the votes he did.

[Patriot]

What other politicians have you come to know via their books? She was selling herself and her book. Of course she used her Downs child to sell herself. She has nothing else.

I asked some Republican women in my office why they supported Palin. They has no answer other than she had a Downs child. They knew nothing about her or her stance on anything other than the fact that she had a Downs baby. I found that to be a poor reason for standing behind a political nominee. IMO that is why McCain got the votes he did.


You mean like Obama and his books? The ones that posters here hail?

Of course she used her Downs child to sell herself.

Wow. Because she got off of the bus with Trig in her arms, she's "using her Downs child to sell herself?" What a hateful statement IMO. Actually, bizarre. But that seems to be the mantra of those who oppose, as they can't oppose on the issues. I guess she should have left him home in the care of someone else, right? Oh, wait. Then she would be trashed for not being much of a mother. Unreal.

So sorry that some women in your office are not well informed. Even more sorry that you base your political opinions on "some women in your office".

[theal3]

I get the feeling that Joe sixpack and Joe the Plumber don't usually stay there. Is this the 'real' America Palin keeps going on about? Is this their version of fiscal responsibility, conservative spending, and represents what average Americans struggling with a bad economy would do? Are we all suppose to relate to staying there, as if it were the norm?

Wonder how much Palin is going to be paid for the appearance and who is footing these bills. The Republican PAC's or the other corporate sponsors of this astroturf group.

IMHO this "movement" is going nowhere. Too expensive for "real America," as Palin and Bachman talk about. It would take "corporate" America to make it happen. And there is no registered National TeaParty, a couple of state ones. It's sound more bizarre.

[tiptop]

You mean like Obama and his books? The ones that posters here hail?



Wow. Because she got off of the bus with Trig in her arms, she's "using her Downs child to sell herself?" What a hateful statement IMO. Actually, bizarre. But that seems to be the mantra of those who oppose, as they can't oppose on the issues. I guess she should have left him home in the care of someone else, right? Oh, wait. Then she would be trashed for not being much of a mother. Unreal.

So sorry that some women in your office are not well informed. Even more sorry that you base your political opinions on "some women in your office".


Bizarre? Hateful? Those are your words, not mine....

Yep, thats all she's got. She's using a Downs child to sell herself IMO. I dont see you defending her intelligence as a political stance, you're just bashing me for talking about her child.

[tiptop]

You mean like Obama and his books? The ones that posters here hail?



Wow. Because she got off of the bus with Trig in her arms, she's "using her Downs child to sell herself?" What a hateful statement IMO. Actually, bizarre. But that seems to be the mantra of those who oppose, as they can't oppose on the issues. I guess she should have left him home in the care of someone else, right? Oh, wait. Then she would be trashed for not being much of a mother. Unreal.

So sorry that some women in your office are not well informed. Even more sorry that you base your political opinions on "some women in your office".

I dont have to base my opinions on what others think; I can think for myself. I dont need book signings to glorify my feelings about a candidate.

[LisaM22]

guess they had to add a logon, don't want any secret effigy burnings getting out in the media ahead of time - jmho

[RayStar]

There is a pretty good article about SP writtten by Julia O'Malley in the ADN news today.

[crocdog1]

IMO she kept him from a bigger defeat than what he got. Looking at the numbers your guy isn't as popular as he was this time last year BTW.

IMO, McCain would have done better if he had chosen Mitt Romney as his VP. He might have even won.

Alas, this was not to be, as Romney's religion was not compatible to the extreme Right Wing BASE of the GOP.

Just My Humble Opinion.

[crocdog1]

Just imagine, folks.

This could very well the preview of the Republican ticket in 2012: Palin/Bachmann.

Gosh, I thought it was going to be going to be Palin/Beck

[pixiejoolz]

Just when I thought it couldn't get any more bizarre. It's now reached the point where it is impossible to even create good comedy out of this "movement" - they do it so well to themselves! jmo:laugh:

[Mahalo]

The fact that someone can do a good job reading something from a teleprompter doesn't mean anything to me. You can talk about Palin's lack of qualifications all you want but I would like point out that she actually completed her first term as governor unlike Obama who spent only roughly 150 days in the Senate because the rest of that time he was raising money and running for President therefore not even serving a full term in the Senate. I'll also remind you that she got more votes when she ran for mayor than Biden got when he ran for president.

For your nic, you're sadly unaware....

[Mimi428]

I see they have and event called "DRIVE THEM OUT!"

The link to the events require a login, and I am not signing up.

I wonder if it is about driving centrist repub's out?

http://www.teapartynation.com/

I decided against signing up, too.

I did click on a couple of the links inside that led to other groups that have joined Tea Party Nation. One of them claims to be supportive of 'true Federalism'. One of their lofty goals is to eliminate property taxes. Ohhhhhkaaaay.

It is funny to me (in the ironic sense of funny) that so many of these various groups declare long & loud that they are primarily concerned with 2nd Amendment issues. It makes me wonder what they think about 4th Amendment issues, which IMO have come under much more serious threats. I guess they have no problems if they are illegally wire-tapped as long as they can keep a finger on the trigger of their gun.

And they are quick to point out their support for "provide for the common defense". That's fine, well & good, but I wonder what their stance is on "promote the general welfare". I don't think the general welfare is promoted by eliminating property taxes, I tend to view getting rid of property taxes as an outright assault against the principle of promoting the general welfare.

JMO

[pixiejoolz]

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/the_wilding_of_sarah_palin.html

Excellent commentary that is right on the money. Andrew Sullivan's comments reveal the type of person he is.

Sullivan is a conservative who supports the war and doesn't support Palin. Exactly what type of person does that reveal him to be?

[Mimi428]

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/the_wilding_of_sarah_palin.html

Excellent commentary that is right on the money. Andrew Sullivan's comments reveal the type of person he is.

And 'Robin', who declines to provide her full name on that link reveal the type of person she is.

Excerpt...

One clue: the miscreants who were brutalizing me didn't exactly look Reagan-esque. In middle and high schools, they were minority kids enraged about forced busing. On the streets of New York City and Berkeley, they were derelicts and hoodlums.

[Mimi428]

Thanks for posting this, Boseedless. That's quite an article, isn't it ?? MY take on the article is that it is written by someone who hates men, in general. How could she possibly judge ALL men ((specifically liberal men)) as she does in this article ?? The article is offensive, to me.

Now .... as far as your post, which I'm quoting. Are you talking about President Obama falling into the category outlined in this article ?? Or, am I misunderstanding your post ??

I think this is what happens when someone tries to write an article "generalizing" liberal men .... "lumping them all into one basket". Any men I know, whether liberal or conservative ((yes I know both)), are perfect gentlemen. The men in this article are definitely not gentlemen ....

jmo

ITA with you. The problem behaviors described by the writer exist in SOME individuals, but those individuals are not confined to one party. Not by a long shot.

[Patriot]

Patriot .... I think you were lucky as far as your "book-signing experience" went. I have watched her sign books .... a long line of people .... I would say it takes her, at the MOST, about 5 seconds to sign a book. I've seen her shake hands with some .... say a couple of things ((not like asking them what they do for a living, and chatting)). I can see her mouth a "Thank you".

As far as getting off the bus with Trig in her arms .... hmmmm was he sitting there while she signed books ??

jmo


Your experience is my experience - I did not mean to give the impression that she had a lengthy conversation with each person. She shook their hand and asked each of them a question or two - usually what was their name and what they did. She received a quick answer, often gave a retort, then smiled and said goodbye, sometimes shaking your hand again. All of 10 seconds. And the personal attention and sincere care was very impressive. Like I said, I thought she'd scrawl her name, smile at you and move on. I should have known better.

No, Trig did not sit on her lap. I doubt she would compromise his safety that way. One of the store employees told my group (while we were waiting) that he was being babysat in the back. Don't really get the point of whether or not he was on her lap, though.

[Mahalo]

snipped"Hates men", good grief, is there another word in your vocabulary to describe those you disagree with besides hate?

I agree you can't lump all liberal men into one basket, most probably but not all.

Was I talking about Obama, not really I was commenting on the article, did the author include Obama?

Most, probably..............:tonguewag::lol::lol:.

[syringa]

I'm sure sure what the point of this thread is. If it is to prove some point that there are some people that support Palin don't know why, whatever. I wouldn't have to look too hard to find video of some Obama supporters who came across as pretty stupid and uninformed too.
What's the big deal?

[Mahalo]

I'm sure sure what the point of this thread is. If it is to prove some point that there are some people that support Palin don't know why, whatever. I wouldn't have to look too hard to find video of some Obama supporters who came across as pretty stupid and uninformed too.
What's the big deal?

Uh, the President's thread is that-a-way>>>>>>>

Do you have any insight for this thread, or were you just passing 'thru thru'????

[syringa]

Uh, the President's thread is that-a-way>>>>>>>

Do you have any insight for this thread, or were you just passing 'thru thru'????

My insight was - whatever.

It was a compare and contrast. There are as many reasons for liking someone and voting for someone as there are people. Any party, any candidate. Some reasons are "good", some reasons are questionable. They all add up in the end.

[Mahalo]

You have to understand that many of these attacks are just parroted versions that have been fed to them by one the usual sewer sites. These places know their audience and they have to constantly ratchet up the bile in order to keep their audience interested.

All you have to do is go to one of the usual sources and you will see the new talking point of the day.


As in beck, rush, coulter, malkin, hannity, etc? Yep. Which is why, imo, STILL no platform for the GOP. They are stuck on stupid.

[Mahalo]

I agree. It was always so funny when people bring up Palin's inexperience while they are supporting Obama. With Palin, we never found out what that inexperience would have brought. With Obama, we certainly have and each day is another example of style over substance.

The style, as in the style of rebuilding America after bush and cronies attempted to destroy It with two wars and the destruction of the middle class? Yeppers!!!

[syringa]

Patriot .... From your earlier post ....

"Add that to the fact that she got off of her bus with Trig in her arms - a mom showing that she is a mom first but can still have her career - what an incredibly refreshing change from the politician we have all come to know. Thumbs up, Sarah."

Any time I've seen her come off her bus for a book signing, she has had Trig in her arms. Trig has been immediately taken from her arms, and whisked away somewhere. It pains me to say this, it really does .... but I think she "uses" that little boy. If she was a "Mom first", as you indicate, she would keep Trig with her .... perhaps have a playpen set up for him or something, so that he could sit by while she signs her books. OR .... she wouldn't bring him off the bus at all, just to have him immediately whisked away.

jmo

This is so ridiculous - and borderline sexist.
She is a mother who takes care of her little boy when not working, ie. on the bus. When she is working, someone watches her boy. How novel. Just like millions of mothers across the country.

Do you have this attitude towards other parents who have their children with them? Such as the Obama's when their children went on stage with them - were they props? Do you think the Obama's know the cameras are on them when they depart AF1 smiling, laughing, hugging etc?

(this is also a compare and contrast)

[Mahalo]

This is so ridiculous - and borderline sexist.
She is a mother who takes care of her little boy when not working, ie. on the bus. When she is working, someone watches her boy. How novel. Just like millions of mothers across the country.

Do you have this attitude towards other parents who have their children with them? Such as the Obama's when their children went on stage with them - were they props? Do you think the Obama's know the cameras are on them when they depart AF1 smiling, laughing, hugging etc?

(this is also a compare and contrast)

Sexist? palin has peddled her family like they were her 'wares', both during the campaign and after....Not to mention lied on them several times. Wonder how her family honesty feels when she lies like that? 'mom', that's not the way it went down...Why did you lie to the American public.....About US???!!!! IMO, we're lucky she's not brighter, she'd be dangerous:crying:

[Mahalo]

You're right Mahalo .... I've seen her express such outrage because media has mentioned her children. Yes .... she peddled them like they were "wares".

jmo

It's the point of the whole thread, and her sheeples fall right in the trap, pandering to her, and not even knowing why!:scared:

[StarShine]

I'm sure sure what the point of this thread is. If it is to prove some point that there are some people that support Palin don't know why, whatever. I wouldn't have to look too hard to find video of some Obama supporters who came across as pretty stupid and uninformed too.
What's the big deal?

LOL especially the supporters who actually thought Palin was running as Obama's VP and approved of her. Those videos cracked me up....

[Patriot]

(snip) syringa .... a SPECIFIC point was made as to the admiration of Palin being a mother, because she has Trig in her arms. THAT was the point being made.

No, it wasn't. Please do not presume to put words in my mouth or translate what I am attempting to convey with my words. Thank you.

I said she got off the bus with Trig in her arms, showing she is a mother first. YOU took that to mean that her holding her baby shows she is a mother first. What I was thinking and attempting to convey is the fact that she travels with her baby, rather than leaving him home. Two very different things.

I really don't know what to say to the nit picking of whether Trig was on her lap during a book signing. It just boggles my mind that some people will stretch for anything to bash this woman. I take it by your condemnation that your children were attached to you until the day they left for kindergarten? Is Todd a bad father because he was away from Trig? What exactly is the standard you are holding this family to and why isn't every other family held to the same standard?

[Patriot]

I bet you enjoyed the book signing. You'll have to let us know how you like the book and if you found out anything you didn't know.

I did, flare. Getting up at 2:30 a.m wasn't thrilling, lol, but the rest of it was. I will let you know about the book. :)

[Patriot]

When Palin was governing the state of Alaska and before her short moment running for V.P. it was said by many in Alaska that Trig went nowhere with Sarah Palin. The child was being raised by his sisters. Now that was out there 1/2 way into elections.
What the bottom line is, in light of that, then it would be very believable that trig was/is being used as Palin's prop. PERIOD!
It has nothing to do with what other families do or how they conduct their household because they are consistent, Palin is not, was not, won't be. Of course, that's my opinion.

"It was said by many in Alaska".

'Nuff said. Not exactly any PERIOD! on hearsay that can't be substantiated. You know what they say - talk is cheap and all. But I'm not surprised that "they" said that. That is, if "they" actually did. None of the opposers can seem to oppose her on any real issue, so they trash her personal life. IMO.

[Justice4all]

Sarah Palin dropped out of a 5k race on Thanksgiving Day in Kennewick, Wash. The former vice presidential candidate and Alaska Governor quit the race because she wanted to avoid the crowds that were waiting for her at the end, according to The Tri-Cities Herald.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/28/sarah-palin-quits-turkey_n_372818.html

[StarShine]

Wow and this is news. LMAO Too funny!

[Mimi428]

None of the opposers can seem to oppose her on any real issue, so they trash her personal life. IMO.

<snipped>

What do you consider a "real issue"?

Is her ignorance about Africa being a country rather than a continent a real issue? I think it is, because if she didn't know that grade school detail than I shudder to think of her gaps in knowledge of the world.

Is her ignorance about which countries make up the North American Free Trade Agreement a real issue? I would have to say yes, since a person of average intelligence could probably figure out that Canada, the USA & Mexico are in North America & are the most likely to be in that agreement.

Was her status as never having met a foreign head of state at the time she was campaigning for VP not a real issue? Was her complete lack of any experience or preparedness in matters of foreign affairs not a real issue?

Was her incapacity to name even ONE Supreme Court decision not a real issue? If not, why not?

Was her inability to name even ONE newspaper, magazine or periodical not a real issue? If the likes of Katie Couric could so easily fluster her, what does that say about her innate abilities to confront a difficult situation with dignity, diplomacy & tact?

I think we can all figure out that there are others out there in the big, bad world who might very likely have things to say to the VPOTUS that are a h#ll of a lot more unpleasant & confrontational than being asked what magazines you have read, or what your opinion is about legal decisions which have gone all the way to the Supreme Court!

You are in rank error if it is your contention that nobody who opposes her has opposed her on any real issues. The ones I have just named are barely a trickle into the bucket.

JMO

[MercedesV]

Wow and this is news. LMAO Too funny!

I guess it would have been more news worthy if she actually finished the race.

Palin obviously thought it had value as news since she tweetered about it.

[Patriot]

(snip) <snipped>

If the likes of Katie Couric could so easily fluster her, what does that say about her innate abilities to confront a difficult situation with dignity, diplomacy & tact?



And she would be the first to admit that and has.

Yeah, and she said she can see Russia from her house too. Oh, wait, no. She didn't say that. Can you imagine? The msm actually lied and tried to make her look like an uneducated fool. Oh wait. Why would they do that? Hmm. And those who hate her and want to believe every word the msm reports lapped it up. I wonder how many other untruths, twists, misquotes and lies about her they've lapped up.

Those who hate her will hate her and believe what they want to believe. Ditto for those who support her.

[LisaM22]

I think she already "quit" wanting to be president

[Mimi428]

(snip)

And she would be the first to admit that and has.

Yeah, and she said she can see Russia from her house too. Oh, wait, no. She didn't say that. Can you imagine? The msm actually lied and tried to make her look like an uneducated fool. Oh wait. Why would they do that? Hmm. And those who hate her and want to believe every word the msm reports lapped it up. I wonder how many other untruths, twists, misquotes and lies about her they've lapped up.

Those who hate her will hate her and believe what they want to believe. Ditto for those who support her.

And again I ask - what do YOU consider a "real issue" when it comes to Sarah Palin's readiness for POTUS or VPOTUS?

Here are a few things, in no particular order, I think she (or anyone) should have some hard, detailed knowledge about before running for either of those 2 positions.

1) World economy
2) The Middle East as a whole
3) Radical Islamists, all factions, all over the world
4) North Korea
5) Iran
6) Iraq & Afghanistan
7) Russia
8) China
9) Global climate change
10) The declining infrastructure in the USA
11) The United Nations
12) Education in the USA
13) Energy - not just oil-dependent energy
14) Immigration
15) Mexico & Canada
16) Health care
17) Epidemic illnesses

Frankly, I doubt that woman could get up to speed on any ONE of those issues in a year's time. She has not yet demonstrated any strong intellect & worse, she seems to have a ghastly lack of intellectual curiosity.

MONVHO

[Patriot]

Well now .... you've used the word "hate" approximately 3 times in this post. I'm not sure how many times it has to be said .... but I don't "hate" Sarah Palin. How can one "hate" anyone they don't know ?? I question her qualifications as President .... that's it !! Sarah Palin is not that important to me, Patriot, where I would find the need to "hate" her.

You began this discussion by finding it necessary to point out that she is a mother. I knew that. I don't find anything extraordinary about her being a mother .... :shrug: I'm a mother .... I worked all my adult life too .

jmo

Perhaps you don't hate her, but it doesn't take much of a review of the dozens of links to huff n puff and other places to experience the hate. Or a review of the disgusting and filthy "jokes" of late night "comedians" to experience it either. The hate is palpable.

I simply made the comment that she obviously is a mother first. I imagine that reaching the level of popularity and power that she has, that would not and has not been the case with other women, so I found it admirable. Yet, even that is overblown into a big controversy and accusations of phoniness. Go figure.

[LisaM22]

you couldn't make this stuff up, no one would believe you - lol

[MercedesV]

Perhaps you don't hate her, but it doesn't take much of a review of the dozens of links to huff n puff and other places to experience the hate. Or a review of the disgusting and filthy "jokes" of late night "comedians" to experience it either. The hate is palpable.

I simply made the comment that she obviously is a mother first. I imagine that reaching the level of popularity and power that she has, that would not and has not been the case with other women, so I found it admirable. Yet, even that is overblown into a big controversy and accusations of phoniness. Go figure.


And you certainly are entitled to your opinion. However, the way she comes across to me, is she is not a mother first. I don't see her putting her kids needs first. I never thought dragging her kids all over the campaign stops, missing school and friends and activities, and normal family life, was in their best interest. I see her using her kids for her own gain. I remember during the campaign when she was doing an opening ceremony of a hockey team she stated she'd bring her daughters because then people wouldn't boo. That represents to me how she handles being a mother. She wants to play the part of mother, especially mother to a special needs child, rather than being a mother. And yes, I believe she loves her kids. I just don't think they are number one priority. To me, she is a phony. To me, she loves playing the victim.

[theal3]

So she twitters her where abouts and large crowds show up, and she talks about being a runner, a life long runner; poses in a sports magazine and all; twitters she's entered a 5k and quits cause of crowds? Give me a break.

She went for the photo op, probably, and probably will be on the news 24/7 again. And the cable channels are still running the NewsMax ad to get her book for $4.99 if you sign up for their free 4 month subscription. Wonder how many they bought?

She said she quit her Gov. job to help Alaska, didn't want to distract as a lame duck for the next nearly 2 years; and now quits a 5K to what not distract the crowd? Wierd.

[Patriot]

(snip) I never thought dragging her kids all over the campaign stops, missing school and friends and activities, and normal family life, was in their best interest.

I'm not being smart - I'm sincerely wondering if you thought the same thing regarding the Obama's children? We saw a whole lot of their daughters during the campaign, lots of photo ops to show the 'perfect family', the dog they wanted and were choosing, the dolls in their likenesses, more shots of them out and about with their parents and lots of comments about the "next camelot". Now, we don't see much of them so I think it's fair to conclude that they were "used" for the campaign. I think all politicians are guilty of using their families to some degree.

[Justice4all]

you couldn't make this stuff up, no one would believe you - lol

that's what my hubby said ( well instead of stuff he used the other S word ) LOL

[Patriot]

(snip)
I think the luckiest thing that ever happened to her was having John McCain pick her as his prospective running mate. I hadn't heard of her before .... had you ??


Nope. In fact, the day she was announced I was home due to a holiday and when it was splashed across the screen I looked and said - "who the he!! is that??" I LOLed. However, within 72 hours I loved her because I found her to be a refreshing, sincere and real non-insider. Still do. And with each new example of - yes, hate by the msm and those who oppose her - realize that she wouldn't be such a threat to the opposition if she weren't exactly who my second impression told me she was. To each her own I suppose.

[Patriot]

Nope, not true Patriot. There were NO "lots" of photo ops to show the perfect family. In fact, they took ONE family photo and President Obama said "No more." The dog they wanted and were choosing. Again, this was AFTER he became the President of the United States.
The "dolls" in their likeliness. Nope, that was someone else trying to make a fast buck. It was not the Obama's.
Why are you spewing such nonsense when none of this happened as you are telling it.
That was a rhetorical question, by the way.:biggrin:

Yes, I'm sure it was, Deannalynn. :rolleyes: Of course you are right - we hardly saw a blip of those girls during the campaign. :rolleyes:

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Palin participates in Turkey Trot (w/ photo galleries)

http://www.tri-cityherald.com/kennewick_pasco_richland/story/808281.html



Did she finish the run? In fact she did not even start the race on time due to how many people were there. No one is complaining that she started the race late is she? No, but it seems because she stopped to meet, greet and sign autographs she spent far more time than she allotted for the event and was going to miss her T-Day dinner. AND on top of that because Palin twittered about such the Executive Director of the race felt that it gave her cause national publicity.

[Patriot]

Palin participates in Turkey Trot (w/ photo galleries)

http://www.tri-cityherald.com/kennewick_pasco_richland/story/808281.html



Did she finish the run? In fact she did not even start the race on time due to how many people were there. No one is complaining that she started the race late is she? No, but it seems because she stopped to meet, greet and sign autographs she spent far more time than she allotted for the event and was going to miss her T-Day dinner. AND on top of that because Palin twittered about such the Executive Director of the race felt that it gave her cause national publicity.

Thank you for the actual facts and the real story, Ian. Always refreshing to get the entire story. :smile:

"We'll be in the back," Palin said as she pushed a double jogger stroller.................Cynthia Waddoups' wish was fulfilled when she handed Palin two pairs of cashmere/wool socks she'd found in Walla Walla. One pair was for Palin's son, Trig, and she suggested the other pair could go to grandson, Tripp.

Palin immediately put the socks on Trig, then grasped Waddoups' hand and talked with her before moving on.


Isn't that just like Sarah? LOL, she sure is a breath of fresh air.

[LisaM22]

palin said "We'll be in the back" - lol, you betcha she will be, wonder how long it was before she tired and ditched the event?

[Silk]

I know. Sometimes the silliness is beyond belief. There isn't one politician that doesn't trot their children out when it suits their purpose. The Clinton's and the Bush's did seem to limit the exposure of their children more than most.

You are right. IIRC, some Republican who is against healthcare reform was holding some little baby up in front of the cameras spewing about how the baby didn't want anything to do with reform.
Is that a prop. I think it was a prop. How he exploited that 9 month old baby.

[Silk]

Sarah Palin is a fine woman. It would be best if y'all just stopped picking on her. If you read her book you would surely know she has had enough harassment for the last few years. Look what they did to her on the John McCain side. Look what Katie Couric did to her. The most horrible thing I watched was what Charles Gibson pulled on her.

It's all in the book if you care to buy it and read it.

[RayStar]

And you certainly are entitled to your opinion. However, the way she comes across to me, is she is not a mother first. I don't see her putting her kids needs first. I never thought dragging her kids all over the campaign stops, missing school and friends and activities, and normal family life, was in their best interest. I see her using her kids for her own gain. I remember during the campaign when she was doing an opening ceremony of a hockey team she stated she'd bring her daughters because then people wouldn't boo. That represents to me how she handles being a mother. She wants to play the part of mother, especially mother to a special needs child, rather than being a mother. And yes, I believe she loves her kids. I just don't think they are number one priority. To me, she is a phony. To me, she loves playing the victim.

Great Post! I bolded the part I especially agree with.
I could not believe the way she has been with Trig exposing him to all of the elements with this swine flu disaster we have in this country now. Keeping the kids out of school for a book signing tour is another NO NO. IMO

[syringa]

Sounds like she was quite a hit with the crowd and the sponsors seemed to like the extra boost she gave the run.

Now THAT is what the story should have been here. $45,000 was raised for the local Red Cross. Leave it to some to find something "bad" to say about the race when the crowd was excited and money was raised for a good cause.

I suppose some would have been happier if Palin had ran to the finish line where the crowd was so big and excited that she accidently got pushed down and hurt.

[syringa]

I think this is a good article and explains exactly what Palin is up to.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-gabler29-2009nov29,0,7189434.story


From your article -
SarahPalin can only hope that the barrage continues -- that "they" keep treating her as if she were a ninny, that "they" keep making fun of her. She can hope because she knows that mockery has a way of triggering revenge, and revenge may be the best politics of all.

Congratulations. You, several posters on this board, and the media are playing right along. You are helping to ensure she has a bright future. Thank you.

[Mimi428]

=Deannalynn;13678252

As recent as 2 weeks ago she confused Iran with Iraq when she was sitting up there with her buddy Hannity. The look on his face was priceless. lol

<snipped>

And today we get the news that Iran has plans to build 10 new uranium enrichment plants.

I cannot believe even the most ardent of Palin's supporters actually believe that one year ago she had studied & was up to speed on the affairs in Iran. And today, if she was VPOTUS, I don't believe she would be much more qualified to understand & address, as a states(wo)man, the situation in Iran.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Which is absolutely not the point.

The "excited" crowd.
The "money was raised".
People donated their time and money... thinking they would meet Ms Palin.

But Ms Palin quit before fulfilling the implied promise she would be there.

Excuses for the inexcusable.

MOO

Nope, this race was not billed as 'Meet Ms Palin" it was billed as a Turkey Trot to benifit the Red Cross-- that is why they donated their time and money. Ms Palin being there was an "extra" where many hoped to meet her because they heard she would be there via Twitter the day before.

Just because she said "I will be at a race does not mean she promised to meet, sign autographs and speak to fans etc. All of which she did and she started the race a lot later than planned and then had to leave so she could eat her T-day dinner for starting late in doing what YOU said she should be doing.


Adding--She announced such the day before the race-- so this race was NEVER billed as "meet Ms Palin".

Her twitter can be found here:

Leaving Florida to meet family from Texas/Alaska/Washington. We run in Red Cross charity 5k race tmrrw in Richland b4 Thanksgiving dinner...
7:25 AM Nov 25th from TwitterBerry

http://twitter.com/SarahPalinUSA/status/6052237857

So tell me where did she promise to do what YOU said she did? Tell me where you read this race was billed as meet Sarah?

[Mimi428]

But Obama confused whether there were 57 or 58 states isn't an issue.

No, it sure isn't. There is a difference between mis-speaking & lack of knowledge.

Palin didn't mis-speak about Africa - she didn't know. She didn't mis-speak about what countries were in NAFTA - she didn't know.

[Mimi428]

I think this is a good article and explains exactly what Palin is up to.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-gabler29-2009nov29,0,7189434.story

Wow, what a great article. Thanks for finding that & posting the link.

I think it was on the Holiday board that I posted a comment or two about how much Palin reminds me of Nixon - & the writer of that article made the connections & outlined the way the rhetoric of resentment works far better than I could ever manage.

I wish those tactics did not find such a willing audience. We can go back further than Nixon to see how devastating the consequences can be when politicians work their supporters into a frenzy by playing on & playing to their grudges, their resentments, their sense of being picked on.

Read any of William Shirer's books - The Nightmare Years, in particular - & you would have to be blind to not see how uniting people based on resentments & grudges can lead to catastrophe.

JMO

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

I must have missed where I posted she said "I will be at a race, meet, sign autographs and speak to fans."

What I did say was "An implied promise to be there"
That's still what I mean. :smile:

MOO

You said:

Which is absolutely not the point.

The "excited" crowd.
The "money was raised".
People donated their time and money... thinking they would meet Ms Palin.

But Ms Palin quit before fulfilling the implied promise she would be there.

Excuses for the inexcusable
MOO

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http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=13678325&postcount=25

AND you also said:

"People donated their time and money... thinking they would meet Ms Palin."

She announced the day before she would be there, this event was billed for the Red Cross NOT for or by Ms. Palin as you try to imply. People use twitter every day -- NO WHERE did she imply or say she would meet, greet or sign autographs. She did so though, to her own detriment-- which started the race late and she was then going to miss her FAMILY's T-Day dinner after mingling with her fans too long.

So if anyone donated money or time thinking they would meet Ms Palin in the 24 hours before the race that is BET they took HOPING they may meet her.

Just because I hear the band Bon Jovi or Bono may be at an event because they twitter about it does not give me a right to EXPECT anything from them.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

<<< Snipped >>>


If Bon Jovi or Bono tweet about "being at an event".. what I EXPECT from them is to be there. Not anything else.

Show his face. Period. :shrug:



She did show her face, she also met, signed autographs, chatted with her fans and then after starting the race late because of meeting her fans and such left the race early. She then had to leave to get to her T Day dinner and you say such is 'inexcusable'. You say such because YOU claim people doanted money and time to see here when she tweeted that she would be running the event less than 24 hours before. She left the race early because it started late because so many people showed up to see her. If she had not left early people would call her a "quitter" for not attending her grandparents T-Day dinner on time.

http://www.tri-cityherald.com/kennewick_pasco_richland/story/808281.html

[Mimi428]

Here's a recent book review in the Boston Globe.

A shortsighted memoir from Palin.

http://www.boston.com/ae/books/articles/2009/11/27/a_shortsighted_memoir_from_sarah_palin/

Sarah the victim. After she experienced a meteoric rise to the heights of American politics, one might have expected Sarah Palin to produce an optimistic memoir that was enjoyable to read and somewhat forward looking.

Not quite.

Further down, the writer makes a point that I had not thought about...

Ironically, she plays the victim card far more often than McCain ever does. Despite the five years of hell he experienced while a POW and his clashes with other Republicans, McCain seems less mad at the world than does his former running mate.

[Mahalo]

"It was said by many in Alaska".

'Nuff said. Not exactly any PERIOD! on hearsay that can't be substantiated. You know what they say - talk is cheap and all. But I'm not surprised that "they" said that. That is, if "they" actually did. None of the opposers can seem to oppose her on any real issue, so they trash her personal life. IMO.

LMAO, has she addressed any REAL issue yet????

[ShooFly]

So she twitters her where abouts and large crowds show up, and she talks about being a runner, a life long runner; poses in a sports magazine and all; twitters she's entered a 5k and quits cause of crowds? Give me a break.

She went for the photo op, probably, and probably will be on the news 24/7 again. And the cable channels are still running the NewsMax ad to get her book for $4.99 if you sign up for their free 4 month subscription. Wonder how many they bought?

She said she quit her Gov. job to help Alaska, didn't want to distract as a lame duck for the next nearly 2 years; and now quits a 5K to what not distract the crowd? Wierd.

Well, imo, you cannot trust a follow through with her. She seems to seek the limelight, more about words than action.

[jammies]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/28/sarah-palin-quits-turkey_n_372818.html



Huffington Post!!! well, alrighty then! :rolleyes:

[Mimi428]

If you consider Google credible. :smile:

Understood. I had not heard that one before.

[BoredMember]

Sarah Palin is a fine woman. It would be best if y'all just stopped picking on her. If you read her book you would surely know she has had enough harassment for the last few years. Look what they did to her on the John McCain side. Look what Katie Couric did to her. The most horrible thing I watched was what Charles Gibson pulled on her.

It's all in the book if you care to buy it and read it.

I don't need to read the book for that - I watched Charles Gibson try to interview her, which she muffed badly. I watch Katie Couric lob soft ball questions at her, which were responded to with garbled, nonsensical answers. After the election I read several accounts from McCain staffers about Palin's gross ineptitude.

I still believe that McCain would be president today, if he had picked a better running mate. She cost him the election.

[Not Telling]

Palin Actually Conducting Bus Tour By $4,000/Hour Private Gulfstream ll Jet, Forcing Staff To Take Bus

Sarah Palin's "Going Rogue" bus has logged thousands of miles as it crosses the country, promoting her memoir. But Palin herself has been traveling by private jet, using the bus only for brief stops and media appearances.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/30/palin-plane-tour-using-pr_n_374084.html

[LisaM22]

So what, is she not paying for the ride? I could understand the whining if the jet was being paid for by the taxpayer but I doubt that is the case.

it's news, I had no clue she wasn't really riding the bus, did you?

[LisaM22]

If I were her, I'd be flying, too. If she was claiming to be on the bus the entire time it could easily be proven that she was lying, so I doubt she made such claims. Links otherwise would be appreciated.

not all of us knew the truth, now we know she is taking jets and the staff is taking the bus, guess we just assumed she was doing the same as her staff

[LisaM22]

I saw the video of her flying into Asheville, NC to have dinner with Billy Graham and his family, so I knew she was using an aircraft sometime. I would guess she's riding the bus occasionaly, but I don't know for sure. Like I said, show me a link that says she claims she was on the bus the whole time.

as I said, we just assumed she was doing the book tour on the bus, we now know that is not true

[Mimi428]

I saw the video of her flying into Asheville, NC to have dinner with Billy Graham and his family, so I knew she was using an aircraft sometime. I would guess she's riding the bus occasionaly, but I don't know for sure. Like I said, show me a link that says she claims she was on the bus the whole time.

This link refers to it...

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/30/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5837878.shtml

Before the tour, Palin's publicist had claimed that Palin would be "making two and sometimes three stops a day, traveling in a bus painted with the cover of her book." The former Alaska governor also gave interviews from the bus, driving home the notion that it was her mode of transportation for the tour.

[Chica]

<snipped>

What do you consider a "real issue"?

Is her ignorance about Africa being a country rather than a continent a real issue? I think it is, because if she didn't know that grade school detail than I shudder to think of her gaps in knowledge of the world.

Is her ignorance about which countries make up the North American Free Trade Agreement a real issue? I would have to say yes, since a person of average intelligence could probably figure out that Canada, the USA & Mexico are in North America & are the most likely to be in that agreement.

Was her status as never having met a foreign head of state at the time she was campaigning for VP not a real issue? Was her complete lack of any experience or preparedness in matters of foreign affairs not a real issue?

Was her incapacity to name even ONE Supreme Court decision not a real issue? If not, why not?

Was her inability to name even ONE newspaper, magazine or periodical not a real issue? If the likes of Katie Couric could so easily fluster her, what does that say about her innate abilities to confront a difficult situation with dignity, diplomacy & tact?

I think we can all figure out that there are others out there in the big, bad world who might very likely have things to say to the VPOTUS that are a h#ll of a lot more unpleasant & confrontational than being asked what magazines you have read, or what your opinion is about legal decisions which have gone all the way to the Supreme Court!

You are in rank error if it is your contention that nobody who opposes her has opposed her on any real issues. The ones I have just named are barely a trickle into the bucket.

JMO

You call those REAL issues???? This thread should be named Why are progressive liberal democrats terrified of Sarah Palin and why can't they come up with real reasons?

[LisaM22]

This link refers to it...

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/30/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5837878.shtml

Before the tour, Palin's publicist had claimed that Palin would be "making two and sometimes three stops a day, traveling in a bus painted with the cover of her book." The former Alaska governor also gave interviews from the bus, driving home the notion that it was her mode of transportation for the tour.

thanks for the link

[justaguy]

You call those REAL issues???? This thread should be named Why are progressive liberal democrats terrified of Sarah Palin and why can't they come up with real reasons?

me..not terrified. disturbed that she makes statements like this..

http://www.thefoxnation.com/sarah-palin/2009/12/04/palin-birth-certificate-fair-game

it was to conservative radio show.. let her go on meet the press and try and do similar stuff. never happen