Adam Lambert at the AMA's [Archive] - In Session Message Boards

EKate23

11-23-2009, 05:25 AM

Reviews are mixed amongst viewers and his iTunes sales are through the roof. The media has given him positive reviews though despite his vocals not being on point. He knew exactly what he was doing and took the chance anyway. That was basically the music video performed live from the footage of it that I've seen.

Emerald

11-23-2009, 09:08 AM

I loved it

Most of the thrill of entertainment for me is surprise. Adam Lambert did it without being gross. He kissed a boy! So what? I do that too.

:thumbup:

Debb

11-23-2009, 09:36 AM

I have been a huge Adam fan since Idol and was really looking forward to the release of his CD. I was so excited to see his performance last night. I was very disappointed. I never any saw him kiss anyone on that stage and if he did I don't care. That wouldn't bother me at all. Perhaps I was talking and turned away for a moment.

I did see the simulated sex with the dancer's face near his crotch. What was he thinking? I'm no prude, but I thought it was poor taste. Did he learn nothing from Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake at the Super Bowl?

What I didn't like was the song. I didn't like the words or the music. I thought it was depressing and boring. I hope the rest of the CD is better. The routine was of poor taste too. I don't enjoy seeing people being treated badly for someone's sick pleasure.

Amy S.

11-23-2009, 10:02 AM

The performance was terrible.

Not only did that guy crawl over and put his face on Lambert's crotch, at one point Lambert reached up and pulled down on a female's spandex (at the crotch) twice.

What was it with all of the simulated bondage?

I saw the kiss and thought the other person was a female. Gosh, the whole performance was nasty.

And as they would say on American Idol, he was a bit pitchy.

His act wasn't the only one that was in poor taste, though.

StarShine

11-23-2009, 10:18 AM

Good grief! Way overboard....

Out of curiosity I viewed the Youtube....words escape me as to that performance. YIKES>

Marcia3

11-23-2009, 11:24 AM

Debb

11-23-2009, 11:32 AM

Here's the you-tube link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg-j9SylPGk

My, not my cup of tea. Kind of seemed like a bad mix of George Hamilton and Boy George. JMO, but Adam might be trying too hard to be shocking. Then again, it could work in his favor, but this is the first Adam appearance I have watched and I don't feel enticed to see/hear more of him.

Me either. I will not watch more of that kind of thing. I read he is supposed to be performing live on GMA or one of the morning shows soon. I bet they are worried about it now. I think he should abandon that act and move on to something very different and much better.

Roux

11-23-2009, 11:36 AM

Here's the you-tube link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg-j9SylPGk

My, not my cup of tea. Kind of seemed like a bad mix of George Hamilton and Boy George. JMO, but Adam might be trying too hard to be shocking. Then again, it could work in his favor, but this is the first Adam appearance I have watched and I don't feel enticed to see/hear more of him.

I watched 2 min of the clip, all I could stand. Enjoyed Adam's performances on Idol but that was beyond tasteless and tacky. I'm very disappointed in him if this is the track his career is going to take.

CHITCHAT

11-23-2009, 12:51 PM

Why do performers feel we need to be schocked and discussed with these sort of sexual performances? its not just sex, its perverted sex. and the nastier the better....hope they've both been tested because im sure there were bodily fluids exchanged all the sweat and lip action...yack.

daniel green

11-23-2009, 01:57 PM

I loved it

Most of the thrill of entertainment for me is surprise. Adam Lambert did it without being gross. He kissed a boy! So what? I do that too.

:thumbup:

It was not about kissing a boy--who cares. It was the whole out of tune, off pitch, forced, lame performace. As if any of that is "edgy." The black nail polish on guys was cool, what, 10 yrs ago?

Just so forced and boring. I am not a fan of the action out sexual positions while performing, either, no matter who does it.

daniel green

11-23-2009, 01:59 PM

I watched 2 min of the clip, all I could stand. Enjoyed Adam's performances on Idol but that was beyond tasteless and tacky. I'm very disappointed in him if this is the track his career is going to take.

Also, standing at the end of the performance, giving the audience the finger while standing there all serious was stupid and senseless.

Talent speaks for itself. Don't need all those ridiculous props.

daniel green

11-23-2009, 02:01 PM

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I did see the simulated sex with the dancer's face near his crotch. What was he thinking? .

That and grabbing a dancer's crotch and his own was just unnecessary. As well as that ridiculous and pointless giving the audience/camera the finger.

I think back on just absolutely WOW breakout performaces at the AMA's (think Ricki Martin dancing in a ring of fire) and this was just a dud.

Falling in the middle of it and being off key and the song being less than stellar didn't help.

Marcia3

11-23-2009, 02:08 PM

Me either. I will not watch more of that kind of thing. I read he is supposed to be performing live on GMA or one of the morning shows soon. I bet they are worried about it now. I think he should abandon that act and move on to something very different and much better.

No kidding! GMA is not ready for that kind of act!

I agree with others who have suggested that talent alone should be enough. Don't try to "shock and awe" your way into fame!

daniel green

11-23-2009, 02:10 PM

I agree wholeheartedly with Slezak's review of the performance at Entertainment Weekly.

But the bottom line is that Adam’s AMA performance felt less like a genuine expression of his high-octane sexuality (so playfully erotic when he fondled the mic stand during “Whole Lotta Love” this summer), and more like a carefully planned stab at dominating the post-AMA blogosphere/water-cooler discussion. I’m certainly no prude…the idea of saucy boy-on-boy/boy-on-girl/boy-on-not-quite-sure action does not rattle my cage — certainly not at 10:55 p.m. on a school night. And yet, what’s sad is that unlike, say, a J.Lo or even a Rihanna, Adam could’ve had tongues wagging just from his vocals alone. Instead, that golden voice took a backseat tonight at the AMAs, and I’m not sure exactly who was occupying the driver’s seat.

http://music-mix.ew.com

Marcia3

11-23-2009, 02:39 PM

I agree wholeheartedly with Slezak's review of the performance at Entertainment Weekly.

http://music-mix.ew.com

ITA with the review by Slezak. I don't watch AI, but I have heard good things about Lambert all season from friends who watch the program. They are all dissappointed in Adam today.

EKate23

11-23-2009, 02:51 PM

For anybody who wants something different, Adam's performing a different song on Letterman tomorrow, "Whataya Want From Me," so appropriate now. And yes, he's doing GMA on Wednesday, can't wait to see the hand wringing those hosts do. That'll be three songs though, so more of a taste of what the album really is. I like "For Your Entertainment", but it's not my favorite on the album, ballad or dance track.

As for Slezak, not surprised, but he only tolerates Adam anyway. I'd love to know what his mother, a devoted fan thought.

Here's the song for Letterman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdepvOa-QzA

And For Your Entertainment album cut: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9wAFmfhpmU

emdragon

11-23-2009, 03:38 PM

Over all I liked it- there were parts I could have done without, but I got it.
It wasn't that he was trying too hard it was that he was telling people not to expect the AI image from him. Even the song itself was telling you that.

And I wouldn't judge his vocals by any of the three performances the sound systems are pitiful for those shows.

There was a reason he debuted on the AMA's and Kris didn't. They are a bit edgy-
(and holy cow I was more offended at Carrie Underwood's outfit she might as well have had an arrow pointing to her crotch screaming "hey look at me.)

And remember by the time Adam performed it was no longer in Prime Time so the kiddies should have been in bed.

So a career ender? Not on your life- he is the buzz today and the main topic around water coolers everywhere. Like the performance or not it got your attention and won't be forgotten.

EKate23

11-23-2009, 03:54 PM

Exactly, it's Ring of Fire on a larger scale. As of my last iTunes check, it didn't hurt a bit. The album is #7 in Music and #4 in Pop.

daniel green

11-23-2009, 03:56 PM

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So a career ender? Not on your life- he is the buzz today and the main topic around water coolers everywhere. Like the performance or not it got your attention and won't be forgotten.

So was Britney's appearance at the VMA's that year. Lots of talk is not necessarily a good thing.

daniel green

11-23-2009, 04:01 PM

Lambert alternately had a dancer on a leash, had a dancer's head grinding against his crotch simulating oral sex, and had a hand on his own crotch. He also made out with a male band member and flipped his middle finger.

And it was on ABC prime time.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/22/adam-lambert-falls-at-ama_n_367149.html

daniel green

11-23-2009, 04:01 PM

ABC edited out a lot of the performace for the West Coast feed.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/23/adam-lamberts-ama-perform_0_n_368053.html

daniel green

11-23-2009, 04:03 PM

ABC and Dick Clark Productions released a statement on Monday regarding the strategic edits they made to both Adam Lambert and Jennifer Lopez's performance for the west coast feed of the American Music Awards.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/11/network-explains-editing-jennifer-lopez-and-adam-lamberts-ama-performances

emdragon

11-23-2009, 04:32 PM

Let's be honest-
nothing Adam did last night hasn't been done before- except perhaps kissing a boy and even that wasn't as in your face as Madonna and Brittany was.

EKate23

11-23-2009, 04:42 PM

Let's be honest-
nothing Adam did last night hasn't been done before- except perhaps kissing a boy and even that wasn't as in your face as Madonna and Brittany was.

Exactly, but the kiss wasn't edited from what I heard just the simulated bj. I've read enough reviews from last night to know that the negative one are by far the minority. Most applauded the performance. And she's deleted it now, but Meghan McCain thought the performance was great, which I'm sure made her father's constituents none to amused.:thumbsup:

daniel green

11-23-2009, 04:43 PM

I think that flipping off the camera/audience to end a performance is not usually done by anyone on an awards show.

EKate23

11-23-2009, 05:02 PM

I think that flipping off the camera/audience to end a performance is not usually done by anyone on an awards show.

That didn't even phase me, but then I've watched Eminem flip off the world and loved it. Plus, it's possible that the bird was intended for Aaron Hicklin, editor of Out, after last week's controversy.

daniel green

11-23-2009, 07:52 PM

So, my daughter who is a freshman in HS said that kids were talking about it and the consensus was that it was "messed up."

Justice4all

11-23-2009, 08:18 PM

Let's be honest-
nothing Adam did last night hasn't been done before- except perhaps kissing a boy and even that wasn't as in your face as Madonna and Brittany was.

Very true but why do people act this way?
Could you imagine if Frank Sinatra would have done something like this back in the day?
Does this kind of stuff sale more cds?

aubrey04

11-23-2009, 08:58 PM

I can NOT stand his voice. It is a shrieking almost - very hard on my ears. The song was very generic pop & not well written. I guess I never understood the hype over him. His performances on AI were always WAY too pitchy, especially his Ring Of Fire performance.

About the guy-on-guy kiss- I didn't find that shocking whatsoever.. Britney, Madonna and Lady Gaga have been doing this type of thing for awhile now. Madonna kissed Britney & Christina Aguilara at the MTV Awards a few years back -- it wasn't a big deal, imo.

The one thing that was really gross to me was when he grabbed that girls crotch. I thought that was really over the top.

I think his voice is better suited for Broadway, not pop music.

StarShine

11-23-2009, 09:33 PM

EKate23

11-23-2009, 09:46 PM

Sad that he didn't believe in his own talent to carry him to success. Instead, he uses his sexuality.

It was trashy when Madonna did it. It was trashy when Britney did it. It was trashy when Justin and Janet did it.

Whatever happened to people idolizing the talent and not the tawdriness of the performer?

JMHO

His talent and his sexuality are part of the package, always have been. One of his quotes from this summer, "If sexy scares you don't listen to my music." He knows not everyone will like it, and he's not trying to please everyone. The lyrics to For Your Entertainment make that perfectly clear. He also said that AI was his "best self" aka on his best behavior. That was the ticket to a contract, but ballad Adam won't become a superstar, MTV-friendly Adam might.

StarShine

11-23-2009, 09:48 PM

Who is he kidding? Sexy doesn't scare me. That wasn't a sexy performance, it was pure trash!! Big difference.

Justice4all

11-23-2009, 10:23 PM

Who is he kidding? Sexy doesn't scare me. That wasn't a sexy performance, it was pure trash!! Big difference.

ITA this has nothing to do with him being gay or it being too sexy it has to do with him being TRASHY...........MHO

EKate23

11-23-2009, 10:41 PM

Sorry but there is a HUGE difference between being sexy and being X-rated. For goodness sakes -- he simulated ORAL SEX. It had no place in a national awards show. Totally inappropriate and outrageous. ABC is NOT MTV. I can venture to take an educational guess that any performances he makes on primetime TV will be screened if they invite him at all. There are boundaries that he definitely crossed. JMO

The only thing I've heard about not being done in rehearsal was the kiss meaning that ABC knew about the simulation, in theory.

As for definitions of sexy, not going there. However, I wasn't shocked by much because I'd seen the rehearsal pics/footage and liked what I saw.

daniel green

11-23-2009, 10:47 PM

snipped Yes -- it was disgusting and totally unexpected. I am not a prude in any sense of the word and actually was looking forward to AL's performance but this was absolutely unnecessary. I didn't even realize it was edited out for the west coast until I just read the article dg posted. Glad they did but sorry I had to see it and hopefully he has learned a lesson as it was his debut. :cursing: JMHO

I agree with you wholeheartedly.

He has a gorgeous voice. Why add all this trashy stuff?????? And the flipping the bird at the end??????

annalyzer

11-23-2009, 10:47 PM

Controversy sells.

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/11/23/adam-lambert-breaks-down-amas-controversy-as-stars-react-to-his-wild-night/

daniel green

11-23-2009, 10:49 PM

snipped It had no place in a national awards show. Totally inappropriate and outrageous. ABC is NOT MTV. I can venture to take an educational guess that any performances he makes on primetime TV will be screened if they invite him at all. There are boundaries that he definitely crossed. JMO

Couldn't agree with you more.

ABC during Prime Time is definitely not for this.

Totally inappropriate.

My 18 yr old and his g/f had not seen the performace when we talked about it at dinner and then watched it online and said they turned it off before the end because it was cringe-inducing.

daniel green

11-23-2009, 10:51 PM

Controversy sells.

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/11/23/adam-lambert-breaks-down-amas-controversy-as-stars-react-to-his-wild-night/

Just ask Britney Spears after her VMA performance.

daniel green

11-23-2009, 10:53 PM

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On Twitter and internet forums, Lambert's routine was described as "disgustingly vulgar" and "totaly inappropriate" for a time slot when children were watching. The broadcaster, ABC, also came in for criticism. "Has ABC lost their minds? How on earth do they think airing this is ok? I’m not at all impressed with Adam. More like disgusted," said one commenter on the Rolling Stone website.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/6636015/American-Music-Awards-Adam-Lambert-outrages-viewers-with-X-rated-AMA-performance.html

Totally agree with this commentary.

daniel green

11-23-2009, 10:55 PM

His talent and his sexuality are part of the package, always have been. One of his quotes from this summer, "If sexy scares you don't listen to my music." snipped

The music was awful and the performance was anything BUT sexy. It was vulgar and amateurish and garish, though.

daniel green

11-23-2009, 10:57 PM

I can NOT stand his voice. It is a shrieking almost - very hard on my ears. The song was very generic pop & not well written. I guess I never understood the hype over him. His performances on AI were always WAY too pitchy, especially his Ring Of Fire performance.

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The one thing that was really gross to me was when he grabbed that girls crotch. I thought that was really over the top.

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While I definitely would have rather stick a skewer in my ears than listen to his rendition of Ring of Fire, I do believe he has a gorgeous voice when he does not shriek.

For instance, he was amazing, I thought, when he did Tracks of my Tears on idol.

However, last night he was all over the place and the song is just nothing to write home about.

Yes, the grabbing the girl was totally disgusting.

EKate23

11-23-2009, 11:45 PM

The music was awful and the performance was anything BUT sexy. It was vulgar and amateurish and garish, though.

I don't love the song, but I do like it and vulgarity's in the eye of the beholder.

As for public reaction, I watched Twitter all night last night and reminded myself why I quit reading article comments. Only the Idol bloggers among my usual Adam news sources were offended. Most of the sources that cover Adam regularly knew that expecting the unexpected is the name of the game. I think this is why Rolling Stone loves him and so does MTV.

As for teens and their opinions, would my 17yo self have admitted I loved that to my parents? Probably not. Would I have watched it again later and not told them? Probably. I was that age for J. Lo dressgate and Eminem/Elton John Grammys year. My father still doesn't get how I like my music dirty and always have, but discussing dirty music/videos/performances with them wasn't high on my list.

daniel green

11-23-2009, 11:49 PM

snipped I think this is why Rolling Stone loves him and so does MTV.

snipped.

How does MTV love him?

annalyzer

11-24-2009, 12:19 AM

I really like his voice but just from that one photo in the link I posted above I think he went over the top. Maybe okay for a concert but not tv.

daniel green

11-24-2009, 12:21 AM

In his much-anticipated first televised post-Idol performance, Glambert fully nails the rock wail, but ... what is up with all that face-to-groin contact? While Adam struggles mightily to overcome a tetchy sound system, too much of his ''For Your Entertainment'' rendition plays like high-camp dinner theater — and Paula Abdul's ''Cold Hearted Snake'' video wants its concept back, Mr. Shinypants. Grade: C-

http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20322009_18,00.html

EKate23

11-24-2009, 12:29 AM

How does MTV love him?

There's been days when they've written several positive articles in a day, about the album, the Out controversy, even their AMA coverage has been good. Oh, and the video shoot. Those pictures made the rounds at MTV too. Plus, Best Week Ever's (VH1) Michelle Collins is a total fangirl.

daniel green

11-24-2009, 12:35 AM

There's been days when they've written several positive articles in a day, about the album, the Out controversy, even their AMA coverage has been good. snipped.

Thx. I thought you meant he has been on MTV.

EKate23

11-24-2009, 12:56 AM

Thx. I thought you meant he has been on MTV.

Nope, but he's doing interviews there tomorrow. Maybe the video will premiere.:sneaky:

emdragon

11-24-2009, 01:54 AM

So, my daughter who is a freshman in HS said that kids were talking about it and the consensus was that it was "messed up."

My MOTHER watched and loved it. (she is 60 plus) So did my gay brother and had never heard of Adam before.

Justice- I don't know if it sells more CD's or not but it does get press and his CD dropped the same day as Lady Gagga and Rhianna yet Adam is the buzz and sales are pretty darn good.

You ask about Sinatra- I'll toss the following into the Mix- Elvis, The Beatles, Jim Morrison, John and Yoko, David Bowie, Queen, Madonna- mild behavior to us now but also big scandals in their own times.

Found this thought it was interesting.
"Singularly distasteful."

The Parents Television Council on Adam Lambert's American Music Awards leash demonstration? Close. The Sept. 16, 1956, New York Times on Elvis Presley's hip-censored Ed Sullivan performance.

Don't take the AMA performance as all Adam is- check out the album or at least the video for "Time For Miracles" (my daughter complain he had no guyliner on lol)
But if the AMA's bothered you do steer clear of the This is Entertainment Video.. ')

emdragon

11-24-2009, 02:17 AM

I don't love the song, but I do like it and vulgarity's in the eye of the beholder.

As for public reaction, I watched Twitter all night last night and reminded myself why I quit reading article comments. Only the Idol bloggers among my usual Adam news sources were offended. Most of the sources that cover Adam regularly knew that expecting the unexpected is the name of the game. I think this is why Rolling Stone loves him and so does MTV.

As for teens and their opinions, would my 17yo self have admitted I loved that to my parents? Probably not. Would I have watched it again later and not told them? Probably. I was that age for J. Lo dressgate and Eminem/Elton John Grammys year. My father still doesn't get how I like my music dirty and always have, but discussing dirty music/videos/performances with them wasn't high on my list.

I guess people are not aware that Green Day got to where they are all from a song about masturbation.

Adam performed just this side of 11pm not really Prime Time (Prime time in Colorado is 7-10pm) and long after the FCC's 6am-10pm time frame prohibiting the broadcast of indecent material.

EKate23

11-24-2009, 02:37 AM

Don't take the AMA performance as all Adam is- check out the album or at least the video for "Time For Miracles" (my daughter complain he had no guyliner on lol)
But if the AMA's bothered you do steer clear of the This is Entertainment Video.. ')

Album stream: http://www.myspace.com/adamlambert

Soaked and Sleepwalker are two of the best vocals on the album, along with Whataya Want From Me.

Justice4all

11-24-2009, 03:42 AM

I don't think this specific incident has anything to do with AL's music. The kiss did not bother me at all -- it was the simulated oral sex. This was not an AL concert or an AL video that was being watched; it was a part of the American Music Awards and it was just totally inappropriate in this venue. ABC had no idea this would be in his performance; Adam even admitted he did it on the spur of the moment. It was extreme poor taste IMO and reading some comments this incident has even divided his own fans. Every defense put up by AL only talks about the kiss and how it is a double-standard because Madonna and Britney did it blah, blah, blah, but that was not what most people complained about. It was the simulated oral sex and again was over the top in this venue. MOO

ITA... doesn't bother me to see two women kissing....or two men kissing.

it was the simulated oral sex that freaked me out. I would have hated it even if it would have been with a woman and a man.

MHO

EKate23

11-24-2009, 03:50 AM

Anything he does from here on out will split the fans. If he caters to the conservative ones, he stands to lose those that backed him last night, but if he does exactly what he wants many AI fans will walk. He can't please everyone, so he's decided to do what he wants and see who's still there when it's over. And most of the fans that I post with, after initial freakouts, were fine. They'd apparently forgotten the Ring Of Fire newscycle.

Marcia3

11-24-2009, 09:02 AM

My MOTHER watched and loved it. (she is 60 plus) So did my gay brother and had never heard of Adam before.

Justice- I don't know if it sells more CD's or not but it does get press and his CD dropped the same day as Lady Gagga and Rhianna yet Adam is the buzz and sales are pretty darn good.

You ask about Sinatra- I'll toss the following into the Mix- Elvis, The Beatles, Jim Morrison, John and Yoko, David Bowie, Queen, Madonna- mild behavior to us now but also big scandals in their own times.

Found this thought it was interesting.

Don't take the AMA performance as all Adam is- check out the album or at least the video for "Time For Miracles" (my daughter complain he had no guyliner on lol)
But if the AMA's bothered you do steer clear of the This is Entertainment Video.. ')

See, I'm one of those people who won't bother to give Lambert a second chance based on his AMA performance. I don't like that type of entertainment (no pun intended) and so I will take a pass. I already have so many artists that I like and support with CD purchases and by going to see them live when they come to a town nearby.

It wasn't just the simulated oral sex that bothered me, the song lyrics were troubling...I guess if someone's into that kind of thing, that's nobody's business, I just don't consider it entertaining to listen to a song about S&M.

JMO, but he's just not all that talented, which doesn't necessarily translate into not being able to make a fortune anyway! It sure hasn't stopped from other bands and solo acts through the years! :laugh:

Debb

11-24-2009, 09:49 AM

I really like his voice but just from that one photo in the link I posted above I think he went over the top. Maybe okay for a concert but not tv.

This is true. A concert is different IMO, although I still wouldn't have liked the song at a concert. Perhaps it would have been a time to get a drink or use the bathroom. LOL.

I think what disappointed me the most was that he didn't entertain me. I enjoy being entertained, but he was just boring. The vocals weren't good and the song sucked.

I hope that is one trick he gets rid of. I believe he can do better.

ninetoes

11-24-2009, 12:48 PM

"ABC nixes Adam Lambert's 'Good Morning America' appearance"

http://blogs.usatoday.com/entertainment/2009/11/abc-nixes-adam-lamberts-good-morning-america-appearance.html

ninetoes

11-24-2009, 12:59 PM

""The Adam Lambert Concert on Good Morning America at the Hudson Theatre has been officially cancelled. It is not necessary to come to the theatre because it will be closed. Thank you for your interest in the show and Adam Lambert. We look forward to your attendance at future events"

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/gossip/2009/11/free-adam-lambert-concert-canceled.html

StarShine

11-24-2009, 01:13 PM

Debb

11-24-2009, 01:14 PM

Well it looks like Adam will learn the hard way. I hope he gets some good people around him to give him good advice. Continued bad advice can wreck a career. I wish him well. I really do hate it, because I was really looking forward to seeing him perform well. I guess I'll have to wait.

Details

11-24-2009, 01:28 PM

ninetoes

11-24-2009, 01:32 PM

A kiss - no biggie. But the whole thing looks forced and faked. He just wanted to shock people by doing disgusting things. The oral sex bit is just plain wrong - no matter if it was a female or male actor's head being pushed to his crotch.

It's stupid - and it makes him look like a sideshow act - just there to shock people, rather than anyone with any talent.

And giving the finger to the audience - more of the same bad boy act.

I agree, but I also think his goal is to go more into "shock rock" than "real" music. I suppose there is an audience for anything these days, but it wont be found on prime time or general television.

Debb

11-24-2009, 01:52 PM

That performance makes me wonder if Adam is taking advice from Heidi Montag and Spencer Pratt's book called How To Be Famous. LOL Not a good move IMO

EKate23

11-24-2009, 02:03 PM

GMA was cancelled, but he's performing on The Early Show tomorrow instead.

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/11/24/adam-lambert-loses-good-morning-america-gig-will-perform-on-early-show/

Honestly, Adam has performed on GMA before and I knew before the AMAs that they wouldn't like For Your Entertainment.

Another reason I love Ryan Seacrest: http://www.ryanseacrest.com/blog/whats-happening/adam-lambert-im-not-a-babysitter-im-a-performer/

EKate23

11-24-2009, 02:12 PM

I agree, but I also think his goal is to go more into "shock rock" than "real" music. I suppose there is an audience for anything these days, but it wont be found on prime time or general television.

Judging the album by it's lead single might get you shock rock, listening to the ballads, not so much. Adam is making real music, but he's not just a pretty voice in a recording studio. Anyone who saw the summer tour knew exactly where this was headed. All manner of props hit the stage for him to use, from boas to whips and handcuffs.

ninetoes

11-24-2009, 02:14 PM

Judging the album by it's lead single might get you shock rock, listening to the ballads, not so much. Adam is making real music, but he's not just a pretty voice in a recording studio. Anyone who saw the summer tour knew exactly where this was headed. All manner of props hit the stage for him to use, from boas to whips and handcuffs.

BBM

No thanks.

EKate23

11-24-2009, 02:15 PM

A double-standard? LOL Show me a female or another male performer for that matter who simulated oral sex on stage in a show that was not theirs?
He SHARED a stage - wrong venue. There is a line between sexy and vulgar that he crossed.

What a joke. Crotch grabbing and kissing is not what most people found offensive and that is what he seems to be defending. JMO

No, he's spoken about the simulated oral too. He said the move was rehearsed, just not exactly as performed.

daniel green

11-24-2009, 02:38 PM

snipped It was the simulated oral sex and again was over the top in this venue. MOO

Exactly. It was all trashy, but that just was waaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy over the line. I do think that giving the camera the finger was juvenile and just stupid, to boot.

TVNewser has learned ABC News canceled the concert after Lambert's sexually charged performance at the American Music Awards Sunday night. Lambert led men on leashes, dragged a woman by her foot, and smashed a man's head into his crotch, all while singing his new single "For Your Entertainment."

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/abc/good_morning_america_cancels_adam_lambert_concert_ 144103.asp

This really has nothing to do with dividing his fans, as I just read on another post upthread.

The point of getting to sing on a nationally televised, prime time award show is to gain NEW fans and folks to buy your music. And this was just a very bad idea.

EKate23

11-24-2009, 02:48 PM

This really has nothing to do with dividing his fans, as I just read on another post upthread.

The point of getting to sing on a nationally televised, prime time award show is to gain NEW fans and folks to buy your music. And this was just a very bad idea.

He has gained new fans, and regardless of what you want to believe this is dividing the fan base. However, that may work out for the best in the end. He now knows who's behind him regardless of what he does. And I'll agree it was a bad idea, but it's because the vocal wasn't perfect and he fell during the performance. Too much choreography

Details

11-24-2009, 02:51 PM

He has gained new fans, and regardless of what you want to believe this is dividing the fan base. However, that may work out for the best in the end. He now knows who's behind him regardless of what he does. And I'll agree it was a bad idea, but it's because the vocal wasn't perfect and he fell during the performance. Too much choreographyIt doesn't feel like anything real - just staged junk - not who he is - but what he and his handlers want to market. I don't know that it'll even do much to get new fans, from those who might admire the extreme, when it doesn't feel real.

EKate23

11-24-2009, 02:52 PM

I feel sorry for youngsters these days. They have grown up not knowing what good music is. They have been spoon fed trash and now they think it's good stuff.

IMO

I grew up listening to oldies. Switched to pop when I was old enough to decide what music to listen to myself. Music is subjective and I'll agree that most of pop today is not my thing, but that includes AMAs golden girl Taylor Swift.

EKate23

11-24-2009, 02:55 PM

It doesn't feel like anything real - just staged junk - not who he is - but what he and his handlers want to market. I don't know that it'll even do much to get new fans, from those who might admire the extreme, when it doesn't feel real.

Ok, you want real? Here's a ballad from the album that Adam co-wrote. He's not all dance and flash or I wouldn't be defending him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZSYISenjuM

daniel green

11-24-2009, 02:59 PM

It doesn't feel like anything real - just staged junk - not who he is - but what he and his handlers want to market. I don't know that it'll even do much to get new fans, from those who might admire the extreme, when it doesn't feel real.

That's my feeling about it. Not just offensive, but lame and soooooo dated. Like they eyeliner and black nail polish.

Details

11-24-2009, 03:02 PM

Ok, you want real? Here's a ballad from the album that Adam co-wrote. He's not all dance and flash or I wouldn't be defending him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZSYISenjuMI'm not talking about real talent. I'm talking about real emotion, about REALLY being the type of person reflected by this performance - someone all about bondage, forcing someone to do oral sex (he yanked the dancer's head down), grabbing crotches - all of it looks so theatrical and faked. I feel like it's all just choreography, an image - a deliberately planned and calculated shock, not something real.

EKate23

11-24-2009, 03:25 PM

I'm not talking about real talent. I'm talking about real emotion, about REALLY being the type of person reflected by this performance - someone all about bondage, forcing someone to do oral sex (he yanked the dancer's head down), grabbing crotches - all of it looks so theatrical and faked. I feel like it's all just choreography, an image - a deliberately planned and calculated shock, not something real.

Ah, ok, that I'll agree with. His stage personality and reality are definitely not the same. He wouldn't have fans using words like adorable to describe his interviews if it were. :wink:

birdwatch

11-24-2009, 03:53 PM

Ok, you want real? Here's a ballad from the album that Adam co-wrote. He's not all dance and flash or I wouldn't be defending him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZSYISenjuM Exactly - he is a very talented young man - so why turn himself into a circus side show? And he is already famous - had a huge and growing fan base. He didn't need to do this and I, personally, think he will regret doing it in that venue.

EKate23

11-24-2009, 04:07 PM

Exactly - he is a very talented young man - so why turn himself into a circus side show? And he is already famous - had a huge and growing fan base. He didn't need to do this and I, personally, think he will regret doing it in that venue.

He likes to stir the pot, but as long as he backs it up with talent, he'll be fine. Two performances air tomorrow and clips of the music video are being circulated. Most of today's press is bashing ABC.

Marcia3

11-24-2009, 04:39 PM

He likes to stir the pot, but as long as he backs it up with talent, he'll be fine. Two performances air tomorrow and clips of the music video are being circulated. Most of today's press is bashing ABC.

BBM. Got some links to back that statement up? I haven't seen any press bashing ABC...

EKate23

11-24-2009, 04:45 PM

BBM. Got some links to back that statement up? I haven't seen any press bashing ABC...

The Rolling Stone article upthread is eh.

And Yahoo Music: http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/realityrocks/295740/adam-lamberts-amagma-controversy-proof-that-any-publicity-is-good-publicity/

daniel green

11-24-2009, 05:19 PM

The Rolling Stone article upthread is eh.

And Yahoo Music: http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/realityrocks/295740/adam-lamberts-amagma-controversy-proof-that-any-publicity-is-good-publicity/

That certainly is not most of today's press. If any.

CHITCHAT

11-24-2009, 07:14 PM

How sad, when he was on Idle he was so gracious and happy to get compliments. now he flips the viewing adiance off...what happen?

ninetoes

11-24-2009, 07:50 PM

daniel green

11-25-2009, 12:54 AM

snipped
I think he would be best served to shut his mouth at this point. He is making less sense each time he tries to defend his actions.

For real.

Playing the victim makes me sick, too. I was so happy when he was on Idol that gay teens were going to have this role model. I am hugely dissappointed.

Marcia3

11-25-2009, 09:14 AM

"Who Was Adam Lambert Flipping Off During AMA Performance? He Explains ...
'The finger was to the people that have been criticizing me ... the people who doubt me ... the people that were about to censor me,' 'American Idol' star says."

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1627065/20091124/lambert_adam_american_idol_.jhtml

So now he knew he was going to be censored?

I think he would be best served to shut his mouth at this point. He is making less sense each time he tries to defend his actions.

He's certainly stirring up talk about him...and maybe that's the real point here.

A couple of old adages come to mind: "There's no such thing as bad publicity" and "It's when they stop talking about you that you have to worry."

:tonguewag:

lune3

11-25-2009, 12:35 PM

For real.

Playing the victim makes me sick, too. I was so happy when he was on Idol that gay teens were going to have this role model. I am hugely dissappointed.

I'm very disappointed too. I was a huge fan of Lambert, not only for his enormous talent but for his personality and the graciousness he displayed on Idol. Was that a sham and this is the real Adam? I know that the real person and stage persona are two different things, but the vulgarity of simulated sex, crotch grabbing, and the in your face flipping on prime time was arrogant and just plain horrible judgment. (I didn't mind the kiss). If this is the image he wants to project, he's going to lose a lot of fans who were impressed with such talent, and attract fans of a whole different type who care more about shock value and and the like.

daniel green

11-25-2009, 12:45 PM

"I admit I did get carried away, but I don't see anything wrong with it. I do see how people got offended and that was not my intention."

Lambert says he didn't plan the sexually-charged moves he did on stage, saying they were not rehearsed and that they came from an "impromptu place."

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/11/video-adam-lambert-refuses-apologize-sexually-charged-ama-performance-says-im-not

:rolleyes:

BorderCollieMom

11-25-2009, 01:10 PM

I personally think what Adam did was disrespectful at the least.

ABC is owned by Disney -

The AMAs is put out there to attract YOUNG people

IMO, its mostly the YOUNG people that "vote" .

Everyone who won, was VOTED to win by us...

The AMAs were on at 7:00 on a NON-cable channel.

I dont know any kids that go to bed at 7pm....not even on a school night.

***this is enlightning...

CBS had invited Lambert before the "GMA" cancellation, and when ABC balked, the singer's management turned to "The Early Show" and they gratefully accepted. Lambert will be interviewed, perform live and answer questions from audience members, said Zev Shalev, the show's executive producer.

Shalev said he expected no problems with the performance. Lambert won't sing "For Your Entertainment," but will perform two other songs instead.

"We spoke to them about who our audience is and our expectations," Shalev said. "He's a very smart, sophisticated performer," he said.

http://ca.entertainment.yahoo.com/s/capress/091124/entertainment/us_tv_lambert

Zanzi

11-25-2009, 01:38 PM

birdwatch

11-25-2009, 02:45 PM

Lambert Got Carried Away, but Not Sorry

http://www.charter.net/news/read.php?rip_id=%3CD9C6IG382%40news.ap.org%3E&ps=1016&_LT=UNGL_LARSDCCL2_UNEWS

"Offered a chance to apologize, he declined. He said he didn't consider that there may have been children watching because his American Music Awards performance came at nearly 11 p.m., and that it's a parent's job to monitor what their children are watching on TV."

He went on to say, "I'm not a baby-sitter. I'm a performer."

Good for him. MO I think he does not get that there is a difference between his concerts, where people are happy to pay to see his type of performance, and a National Awards Show for general audiences. So what it's not the hour for children: I didn't want to see that either.
Oh - well - he won't be doing any more of those, I wouldn't think..... (Or the netwroks will have to post warnings for their awards shows, lol) now that we are very clear that he doesn't even get that it was the wrong thing to do in that situation. His mom thinks its just wonderful that he is so "inspring ror young people" she said this morning. Great - just how we want our kids inspired.:thumbdown:

StarShine

11-25-2009, 03:10 PM

I think he does not get that there is a difference between his concerts, where people are happy to pay to see his type of performance, and a National Awards Show for general audiences. So what it's not the hour for children: I didn't want to see that either.
Oh - well - he won't be doing any more of those, I wouldn't think..... (Or the netwroks will have to post warnings for their awards shows, lol) now that we are very clear that he doesn't even get that it was the wrong thing to do in that situation. His mom thinks its just wonderful that he is so "inspring ror young people" she said this morning. Great - just how we want our kids inspired.:thumbdown:

His mother actually said that. Sheesh wake up Ms. Lambert. He is not the person I want inspiring my children, grandchildren or anyone's children.

Roux

11-25-2009, 03:40 PM

His mother actually said that. Sheesh wake up Ms. Lambert. He is not the person I want inspiring my children, grandchildren or anyone's children.

:ohmy: And to think that the parents seemed like nice people when I saw them on Idol. I don't think that clip that I watched 2 minutes of should inspire anyone, gay or straight. It was totally tasteless and crass.

Zanzi

11-25-2009, 05:06 PM

http://www.charter.net/video/?vendid=18&vendkey=cnn_showbiz%2F2009%2F11%2F25%2Fjoy.adam.co ntroversy.cnn&_LT=UNGL_LARSDCCLM_UNEWS

Zanzi

11-25-2009, 05:12 PM

Elvis Presley, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis, Michael & Janet Jackson, Madonna, Brittney Spears, Miley Cyrus.........and now Adam Lambert.

I'm clutching my pearls. MO ;)

StarShine

11-27-2009, 09:35 AM

Elvis Presley, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis, Michael & Janet Jackson, Madonna, Brittney Spears, Miley Cyrus.........and now Adam Lambert.

I'm clutching my pearls. MO ;)

Adam will never reach these performers' success EVER if he continues to perform in the manner he did on the AMA.

Zanzi

11-27-2009, 04:53 PM

LOL -- no offense but don't think you get it either. None of these artists simulated oral sex. He crossed the line. Oh well... nothing left to say MOO

No offense to you either, but I'm not sure your get it. He crossed the line with whom? Not everyone based on comments I've read at other sites. When Elvis first twisted his hips many were convinced HE crossed the line. Now what he did looks tame. MOO

ninetoes

11-27-2009, 05:30 PM

No offense to you either, but I'm not sure your get it. He crossed the line with whom? Not everyone based on comments I've read at other sites. When Elvis first twisted his hips many were convinced HE crossed the line. Now what he did looks tame. MOO

Just curious...in today's world, are there ANY lines that are deemed uncrossable? Seems to me like we live in an "anything goes" world. What's next? Real sex on stage instead of simulated? To make Adam's performace look "tame"?

StarShine

11-27-2009, 05:54 PM

No offense to you either, but I'm not sure your get it. He crossed the line with whom? Not everyone based on comments I've read at other sites. When Elvis first twisted his hips many were convinced HE crossed the line. Now what he did looks tame. MOO

No offense but twisting hips and mimicking a sexual act, male on male, and it would have been the same had it been female on female as far as I am concerned (and I am not talking about a kiss) isn't anywhere in the same ballpark comparison wise. It may be acceptable to some, but don't think to the majority. In fact I'd probably bet on it that it isn't.

BESTFRIEND

11-27-2009, 06:53 PM

I was thoroughly disgusted with Adam's performance and don't care if I ever see him again. If he had ambitions to be a big superstar I think he just ruined his chances.
IMO

Zanzi

11-27-2009, 07:52 PM

Zanzi

11-27-2009, 07:55 PM

Just curious...in today's world, are there ANY lines that are deemed uncrossable? Seems to me like we live in an "anything goes" world. What's next? Real sex on stage instead of simulated? To make Adam's performace look "tame"?

I know what line is uncrossable to me, but I cannot speak for the rest of society.

My opinion - not watching these shows would put what the majority deems unacceptable out of business.

ninetoes

11-27-2009, 07:56 PM

Personally, I think a line was crossed when crotch grabbing became the norm, so I'm surprised that so many people are still watching the shows that allow that and subsequent behavior, i.e., Madonna, etc.

Seems just a little hypocritical to me to decide that Adam is the one who "crossed the line." MO

Oh, I dont for a minute think he is the "first" to cross the line. Thats one of the main reasons we always had a block on MTV and others like it.

But in this case, it was on main stream television, on a show, which for many, is a family "meaning teens, tweens and adults) viewing type show.

Zanzi

11-27-2009, 08:08 PM

Oh, I dont for a minute think he is the "first" to cross the line. Thats one of the main reasons we always had a block on MTV and others like it.

But in this case, it was on main stream television, on a show, which for many, is a family "meaning teens, tweens and adults) viewing type show.

I don't think we can count on main stream tv to protect us any more.

MO

tiptop

11-27-2009, 10:10 PM

Elvis Presley, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis, Michael & Janet Jackson, Madonna, Brittney Spears, Miley Cyrus.........and now Adam Lambert.

I'm clutching my pearls. MO ;)

This is how I see it. Proportional and subjective.

Just as Elvis swung his pelvis in the 50's, so does Adam do his thing in the present. Way back when, Elvis was shunned and his records burned just like the Beatles and many others. It will peak and it will pass. Adam is to the present what Elvis was to his time. A big yawn for me but yet such a big deal to others.

StarShine

11-28-2009, 12:15 PM

This is how I see it. Proportional and subjective.

Just as Elvis swung his pelvis in the 50's, so does Adam do his thing in the present. Way back when, Elvis was shunned and his records burned just like the Beatles and many others. It will peak and it will pass. Adam is to the present what Elvis was to his time. A big yawn for me but yet such a big deal to others.

LOL Elvis? What's with the comparison between him and Elvis? There is no, no comparison between what Adam did and Elvis. Elvis was the BEST. Adam can stay in the little dimly little stripclubs (that's what his performance was geared to) or sell his records, but he will never ever be the icon Elvis was. Times might have changed, but not to that extent, and for that I am thankful. Judging from the reaction on this board alone, it's obvious that most are not accepting or forgiving of the outrageous performance he put on national tv.

aproudmom

11-28-2009, 01:34 PM

Didn't see it and don't care to, but I'm not a fan anyway

Zanzi

11-28-2009, 01:41 PM

LOL Elvis? What's with the comparison between him and Elvis? There is no, no comparison between what Adam did and Elvis. Elvis was the BEST. Adam can stay in the little dimly little stripclubs (that's what his performance was geared to) or sell his records, but he will never ever be the icon Elvis was. Times might have changed, but not to that extent, and for that I am thankful. Judging from the reaction on this board alone, it's obvious that most are not accepting or forgiving of the outrageous performance he put on national tv.

LOL - I wouldn't put much stock in this board being an indicator of Adam's success or failure.

MO

StarShine

11-28-2009, 01:46 PM

LOL - I wouldn't put much stock in this board being an indicator of Adam's success or failure.

MO

And I wouldn't put much stock in the fact that supporters on this board are accepting of his performance. In the outside world, everyone I came in contact with were outraged at his performance. And Adam will NEVER, I predict ever surpass Elvis in popularity. LMAO at the thought!

Zanzi

11-28-2009, 01:48 PM

And I wouldn't put much stock in the fact that supporters on this board are accepting of his performance. In the outside world, everyone I came in contact with were outraged at his performance. And Adam will NEVER, I predict ever surpass Elvis in popularity. LMAO at the thought!

Is he competing with a man who has been dead 32 years. Is the audience for Adam the same as for Elvis? I don't think so.

StarShine

11-28-2009, 01:51 PM

Is he competing with a man who has been dead 32 years. Is the audience for Adam the same as for Elvis? I don't think so.

I am not the one who brought up Elvis, was I?

Seems to me that many of his supporters, clutching their pearls...LOL...did.

Zanzi

11-28-2009, 01:55 PM

Adam Lambert's record sales / in top 10 DROPS for week ending 12/5:

http://www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200#/charts/digital-songs?order=drop

Didn't everyone shown on the 1st page drop?

OneRepublic from 33 to 65th place, Taylor Swift from 41 to 54,
Adam from 56 to 75?

Zanzi

11-28-2009, 01:57 PM

I am not the one who brought up Elvis, was I?

Seems to me that many of his supporters, clutching their pearls...LOL...did.

I mentioned Elvis but it had nothing to do with his talent/career. Had to do with the fact that in the beginning he got some people "All Shook Up."

BTW - whose supporters? Elvis'? Adam's? I'm not following what you mean.

Zanzi

11-28-2009, 02:08 PM

My post does say "top 10" but we are talking about Adam correct? It is unusual for a CD that just debuted to drop so quickly. The others have been out a bit longer. JMO

Kenny Chesney - out 3 weeks dropped from 30 to 53, Miranda Lambert - out 2 weeks dropped from 34 to 48, Taylor Swift out 4 weeks dropped from 41 to 54? :shrug:

Zanzi

11-28-2009, 02:13 PM

Here's the link you provided, but I clicked on "biggest fall." Adam didn't take the biggest tumble (and a couple of these have only been on the charts 3 - 4 weeks).

http://www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200#/charts/digital-songs?order=drop

Zanzi

11-28-2009, 04:21 PM

After this post I'm done because I need to ask a question. Where did you see me say he took the "biggest fall". I said he was in the top 10 drops this week.
It is unusual for NEW debut CD to fall within the first week.

I didn't say you said he took the biggest fall. I looked at the different entries on the link you provided and I pointed it out as one of the categories and made the comment that he didn't take the biggest fall. (I think he was #5?)

Since you didn't post anything to show that it's unusual for a NEW debut to fall within the first week I'll take your word for us..... and ask a question too. The link you posted shows "for the week of December 5th. " Now is may be Dec 5th in other parts of the country, but here is SC it's still November. SO - my question - do we know the actual period covered for the chart results? (Were the results tallied before or after the AMAs?)

EKate23

11-28-2009, 05:10 PM

Enough with pot stirrers. They need to get over themselves, imo. If you're a singer, just sing. Adam, Madonna, whoever, should leave their private behavior in the bedroom. Contrary to what they apparently assume, not everyone is interested in their "pot stirring." I personally find it boring beyond belief. Talent is interesting. Pot stirring is the opposite. imo

Some people have both. Adam likes people to talk after his performances. His only apology about the AMAs was the few bum notes he hit, and that's all that many of his fans wanted.

EKate23

11-28-2009, 05:13 PM

The point is controversy usually sells. After the Kanye West incident with Taylor; her sales soared. Don't even know who the other two are. :shrug:

Exactly. The sales numbers I saw were double my pre-AMAs guess. The HitsDailyDouble estimate was 210-230k.

EKate23

11-28-2009, 05:16 PM

http://www.popeater.com/2009/11/25/adam-lambert-ama-performance/?icid=main|main|dl3|link4|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.popeate r.com%2F2009%2F11%2F25%2Fadam-lambert-ama-performance%2F

Blake Lewis and Anoop Desai defended Adam.

Zanzi

11-28-2009, 06:05 PM

My opinion - Adam is a performer, not just a singer and part of performing is making people sit up and take notice = mission accomplished. If no one is listening it won't matter one way or the other if he gets over himself. :)

VC2

11-28-2009, 06:31 PM

It doesn't feel like anything real - just staged junk - not who he is - but what he and his handlers want to market. I don't know that it'll even do much to get new fans, from those who might admire the extreme, when it doesn't feel real.

Well i didn't have a problem with his moves per se, i don't see much wrong with the kiss..the other part..to much imo for the AMA on network tv but the big issue is that if you want to be scandalous on the show..thats fine.

Then make sure your singing is flawless or close to it. When you do a bad job singing and you go over the top in your show..not a good combo. Fans who like your music say..uhh that wasn't good. Fans who are also more conservative say...i hated the things he did and he didn't even sing well. So there was nothing really for them to hang on to.

fans who didn't know your music but could be converted and even loved the outrageous moves...they were also left with a bad job in the music area..hardly about to run out and get it.

IMO

so..i think it was a very bad move as it combined the outrageous with bad singing which makes it hard to take him seriously

EKate23

11-29-2009, 01:22 AM

LOL Elvis? What's with the comparison between him and Elvis? There is no, no comparison between what Adam did and Elvis. Elvis was the BEST. Adam can stay in the little dimly little stripclubs (that's what his performance was geared to) or sell his records, but he will never ever be the icon Elvis was. Times might have changed, but not to that extent, and for that I am thankful. Judging from the reaction on this board alone, it's obvious that most are not accepting or forgiving of the outrageous performance he put on national tv.

This board is the most conservative reaction I've seen to Adam. Most of his fans aren't even AI fans. Many found out late in the season, during the tour, or on You Tube. His fans and his label will support him longer than you'd think. Most of the real fans knew what was coming when he hit the AMA stage and don't need him to apologize.

EKate23

11-29-2009, 01:31 AM

Not selling? Not true.
http://blog.syracuse.com/idolthoughts/2009/11/adam_lambert_to_debut_at_no_2.html

Silk

11-29-2009, 04:26 AM

Zanzi

11-29-2009, 06:40 AM

What is it from Adam that anyone with a functioning brain needs to sit up and take notice about? Other than his ability to sing, I mean? Is young Adam assuming to educate the masses about something? Like what?

Again, he needs to get over himself. He's a young man with a good singing voice, period. His singing talent does not mean he has another thing to offer. He should not attempt to teach or preach or make people sit up and take notice for anything other than his singing. Nothing else about him, or any performer, imo, is of any particular importance or interest simply because he has a talent. It's absurd. imo

Oh ... and if he gets over himself, no one will need to listen, because there'll be nothing to hear. See how that works? :smile:

See how it works? SO.........Elvis shouldn't have swivelled his hips and passed out scarves, James Brown shouldn't have "got down," Liza Minneli shouldn't have danced about, Freddie Mercury should never have worn those harlequin outfits? They should have just stood there and sang.

I think I've got it now! Thanks. :)

Zanzi

11-29-2009, 07:04 AM

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b155546_week_in_review_adam_lamberts_out_there.htm l?utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=rss_topstories

"1. Adam Lambert ran amok! The Parent Television Council's favorite new punching bag went from mildly controversial American Idol runner-up to conservative lightning rod overnight, following his any-crotch-goes performance at the 2009 American Music Awards. Other things happened, too, including a posthumous win for Michael Jackson, a Whitney Houston comeback, and another spate of Taylor Swiftian triumphs. Hell, Jennifer Lopez fell onstage! But at this rate, no one's going to remember anything but Lambert's closing number, which got him tsk-tsked on The View, dropped by Good Morning America and lambasted by people who still haven't figured out how to get their poor, impressionable babies to bed by 10:45 p.m. on a school night. Lambert's supporters have pointed out that Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera were selling malleable sexuality in prime time—usually while wearing even less, and at an even younger age than the 27-year-old suit-favoring stunner—years ago. Lambert himself said it flat out: "I think it's because I'm a gay male and people haven't seen that before."

Zanzi

11-29-2009, 07:08 AM

Finally, a true "Idol" emerges....

http://www.app.com/article/20091123/ENT/91120087/0/SPORTS06&source=rss

"But none of that matters now: With the release of his debut album "For Your Entertainment" (19/RCA), Lambert is about to become a huge star. Few human beings have ever been blessed with a voice like his, a ridiculously multi-octave weapon that can coo seductively in the lower registers, and shatter diamonds in the highest ones (Gene Simmons is probably still half-deaf from the high note Lambert uncorked at the end of "Rock And Roll All Nite" during the show's May finale when he sang with Kiss.)"

StarShine

11-29-2009, 10:40 AM

This board is the most conservative reaction I've seen to Adam. Most of his fans aren't even AI fans. Many found out late in the season, during the tour, or on You Tube. His fans and his label will support him longer than you'd think. Most of the real fans knew what was coming when he hit the AMA stage and don't need him to apologize.
Conservative reaction?

There is a difference between Class and Trash....unfortunately Adam's performance was the latter. And I don't care one iota about other boards. He crossed the line on national tv, end of story!! So am I suppose to believe that his real fans would accept him having live sex on a stage during his performance. That's their perogative, it's not mine nor many posters posting here and many in the outside world. Not one person that I know, and I work in a large, large office, full of people from liberals to conservatives and all were critical of what he pulled on AMA. So I don't think trying to push the reaction onto conservative people rings true at all.

BESTFRIEND

11-29-2009, 11:17 AM

Conservative reaction?

There is a difference between Class and Trash....unfortunately Adam's performance was the latter. And I don't care one iota about other boards. He crossed the line on national tv, end of story!! So am I suppose to believe that his real fans would accept him having live sex on a stage during his performance. That's their perogative, it's not mine nor many posters posting here and many in the outside world. Not one person that I know, and I work in a large, large office, full of people from liberals to conservatives and all were critical of what he pulled on AMA. So I don't think trying to push the reaction onto conservative people rings true at all.

That difference between class and trash is so obvious to me.
Elvis has been mentioned several times and I was lucky enough to see him live twice. At his ComeBack concert he was gorgeous in his head to toe black leather. He smiled and sang and didn't need to grab himself or simulate anything to have the audience enthralled. IMO he was a class entertainer in his younger days.
Comparing Adam Lambert to Elvis is ludicrous. IMO

Zanzi

11-29-2009, 03:51 PM

No, you've missed it by a mile! :smile:

If Adam were to get over himself he would simply sing, without attempting to shock people, or "get them talking" ... without assuming he has some Big Important Message to deliver to the uninformed, uptight masses. He's a singer, no more, no less. He shouldn't assume "we" need to learn something from him. Many of "us" have forgotten more than Adam Lambert will ever know.

I don't think I missed a thing. I believe there are some who do not agree with Adam's choice and as a result have determined that they - more than he - know what he should do. Good luck with that. :wink:

EKate23

11-29-2009, 04:26 PM

Conservative reaction?

There is a difference between Class and Trash....unfortunately Adam's performance was the latter. And I don't care one iota about other boards. He crossed the line on national tv, end of story!! So am I suppose to believe that his real fans would accept him having live sex on a stage during his performance. That's their perogative, it's not mine nor many posters posting here and many in the outside world. Not one person that I know, and I work in a large, large office, full of people from liberals to conservatives and all were critical of what he pulled on AMA. So I don't think trying to push the reaction onto conservative people rings true at all.

My comment wasn't politics, sorry. And I don't consider what Adam did trash at all. It was a performance much like what he's done before. I wasn't surprised and I think that may be a bit of the difference in reaction. The fans who'd heard the song/seen the rehearsal were supportive. Conservative and Liberal, old enough to be my mom to young enough to be my babysitting charge. His real fans were fine.

EKate23

11-29-2009, 04:31 PM

I don't think I missed a thing. I believe there are some who do not agree with Adam's choice and as a result have determined that they - more than he - know what he should do. Good luck with that. :wink:

This. No one tells Adam what to do with much success. His parents' reaction was mixed, but RCA has let him do whatever, including the album cover he wanted and they didn't.

As for teens, many of his teen fans love him because he does what he wants without regard for what's right.

Zanzi

11-29-2009, 04:34 PM

This. No one tells Adam what to do with much success. His parents' reaction was mixed, but RCA has let him do whatever, including the album cover he wanted and they didn't.

As for teens, many of his teen fans love him because he does what he wants without regard for what's right.

I don't know what you're talking about?

EKate23

11-29-2009, 04:35 PM

If I were in a position to advise Adam, I would have advised him that he will not be a mass appeal artist in the tradition of previous successful American Idol finalists, by assuming it's his job to send his Big Message to the uninformed masses.

Hopefully, Adam and his handlers will be content with his return to relative obscurity once the AMA dust settles. :wink:

I wouldn't write him off just yet. The fans that love American Idolesque music aren't who will support him in the end.

EKate23

11-29-2009, 04:40 PM

I don't know what you're talking about?

I was agreeing with this: I don't think I missed a thing. I believe there are some who do not agree with Adam's choice and as a result have determined that they - more than he - know what he should do. Good luck with that.

People seem to think that they can ruin his career with negative opinions. Adam won't change what he does because people don't get it/don't like it.

EKate23

11-29-2009, 04:50 PM

Exactly my point. It will be a much, much smaller following, similar to the one he had before he competed on Idol. I really don't get the point of him going on Idol, but whatever. :shrug:

Not smaller, just different. Not everyone likes Cook, Daughtry, Carrie, etc. The only Idol I really like is Kelly Clarkson. Sales went up after the AMAs despite what many want to believe.

EKate23

11-29-2009, 05:59 PM

I'm guessing much smaller simply because those artists you named are mainstream to the max, which is sort of the whole point of American Idol.

I would expect sales to spike after the AMAs due to the controversy. I think it will be a different story once the dust settles.

Not all of Adam's songs are as far out there as For Your Entertainment. The one getting the most spins on the radio now was written by Max Martin, who writes for Britney. That is mainstream to the max. That song, Whataya Want From Me, is what he sang on Letterman and The Early Show and will probably sing on Ellen this week.

Zanzi

11-29-2009, 06:13 PM

I was agreeing with this: I don't think I missed a thing. I believe there are some who do not agree with Adam's choice and as a result have determined that they - more than he - know what he should do. Good luck with that.

People seem to think that they can ruin his career with negative opinions. Adam won't change what he does because people don't get it/don't like it.

Agreed. MO

EKate23

11-29-2009, 07:14 PM

I'm talking more about his behavior on stage than his singing. Apparently, Adam feels a need to be controversial during his performances, rather than simply singing. There will be a very limited audience for his controversy platform, imo. It will get old, fast, and he'll find himself back in a similar small orbit to the one he inhabited before he did Idol.

Idol and other mass appeal artists are called that for a reason. They appeal to the masses. Adam's onstage antics do not -- that's why I predict he'll be a much smaller stature performer than the big Idol successes who essentially remained, post-Idol, who they were during the competition. The American Idol version of Adam Lambert is what came in 2nd in the competition, not the AMA version. Imo, the audience for his AMA version will be very limited. And that's fine, but it begs the question, why did he do AI at all?

He did AI to get a record deal. It was that simple. He didn't even think he'd get that much. The AMA performance won't be a one off in the whole of his career, but on this album, that's the only song that I started visualizing the video when I heard the song. And honestly, I wasn't that far off. As for AI Adam vs pre-Idol/post-Idol Adam, anyone that looked outside the AI bubble knew that Adam was using the show as a means to an end. It wasn't a wing and a prayer, it was a calculated move, and so he was on his best behavior performing in a manner that's what would help him advance, but not what he would've done. Ring of Fire was his favorite performance of the season outside of Whole Lotta Love. Both of those got censored.:sneaky:

EKate23

11-29-2009, 07:35 PM

Hmm. I thought I heard or read he wanted the AI title for different reasons. Maybe my recollection is wrong.

As an Idol fan, I really don't appreciate being duped by a performer who was essentially a fake throughout the competition, though.

Ah, well. I'm no longer a fan. No big deal, that's for sure!

What did you hear? I've heard that he wanted on the tour and was hoping for enough success for leading Broadway roles. Then, he wanted a record deal when he realized that was attainable. Winning wasn't the goal, getting to perform as much as possible was.

As for being duped, even some of his fans felt that way in May, but we've gotten over it as it was explained and more performances happened.

EKate23

11-29-2009, 08:22 PM

My recollection is his goal was to get noticed on a much larger scale. Since he chose Idol as his vehicle to do that, I assumed (incorrectly, apparently), he was looking for AI status on the order of a Clarkson or an Underwood or a Daughtry. I assume that's why anyone would compete on Idol. I would think there'd be more efficient ways to get to Broadway or to get a record deal, since he already had credibility as a professional performer, was doing a west coast production of a hit show IIRC (can't recall the name), and certainly has the talent to approach record companies with demos.

Directionally, he's not making a lot of sense to me, and on a personal level, I find all that "pushing the envelope" stage behavior to be a crashing bore. I would also think Idol might be a little out of sorts to have made an investment in a finalist who wasn't interested in furthering the AI "brand." Purely conjecture on my part.

He is looking for success on the order of Kelly, Carrie, or Daughtry, but that doesn't mean he has to do it the way they did. Simon Fuller is the one who asked Adam what he wanted to do. And this is the album that resulted. RCA and Fuller knew what Adam was doing with the AMAs, the video for that song had been shot the weekend before.

And Adam had tried to get a deal without AI. I have the demos and session work as well as a night of Wicked where he performed the lead. However, that won't get you a fan base, Idol will.

EKate23

11-29-2009, 09:05 PM

I know what mainstream is. I don't have indie music tastes. As for Adam, jury's still out. If one performance wrecks a career, America's a lot more messed up than I thought.

EKate23

11-29-2009, 09:25 PM

I'd agree with you, if his mistake had been a pitchy note here or there. He thought he needed to send a Big Important Message. He thought wrong. He'll have to live with the consequences.

Big Important Message? Right. More like not planning every moment of his performance. And my views on America won't be kinder because it's performance based and not vocally based. I cringed at the bum notes too and he apologized for those, as such, I'm fine with the AMAs and have moved on to other performances. Those were much safer and parent-friendly, FWIW.

MiamiNice1

11-29-2009, 10:28 PM

See how it works? SO.........Elvis shouldn't have swivelled his hips and passed out scarves, James Brown shouldn't have "got down," Liza Minneli shouldn't have danced about, Freddie Mercury should never have worn those harlequin outfits? They should have just stood there and sang.

I think I've got it now! Thanks. :)
You sure make a good case that we are all officially "old!!" :crying:......lol! You are right about all the "shocking" (end-of-the-world predictions) behavior considered "scandalous" to anyone over 30 in the past. The above artists all fared well, in spite of what the "elders" thought.

While what Adam Lambert did was indeed shocking (the "simulation") - that seems to be what the AMAs were about - look at Lady Gaga - positively insane, imo.

Seems everyone is trying to "out do" the other. Lines are being crossed and boundaries are being broken. While on one hand I don't like the direction in which things are going, isn't that all a part of "rock and roll?"

I don't think this performance will harm AL in any way. Personally, I don't think he really needs the added, over-the-top shock value or even the makeup, as he is extremely good-looking, charismatic and has a tremendous voice! (he could give Freddy Mercury a run for his money with that voice, eh? :biggrin:)

imo

MiamiNice1

11-29-2009, 10:31 PM

I don't buy that he did what he did "in the moment." He wanted to make a statement. He made it.
I don't buy that it was "in the moment" either, Say.......

.....Especially when according the closed-captions I was reading, he was singing these words, "I hope you can handle what I'm about do do...." right before he kissed the keyboard player!

emdragon

11-29-2009, 11:40 PM

EKate23

11-30-2009, 12:10 AM

I don't buy that it was "in the moment" either, Say.......

.....Especially when according the closed-captions I was reading, he was singing these words, "I hope you can handle what I'm about do do...." right before he kissed the keyboard player!

Nobody believed it was honestly totally unplanned, but I don't think it was scripted either, as Tommy didn't know it was happening and you can tell that from the look on his face. Tommy didn't know when he agreed to let Adam use him as part of the stage show what that would result in.

2boysMom

11-30-2009, 05:21 AM

What happened to decency? Next it will be live intercourse on primetime network tv and who knows what else? Makes me sad. Nothing is sacred anymore.

Zanzi

11-30-2009, 09:03 AM

You sure make a good case that we are all officially "old!!" :crying:......lol! You are right about all the "shocking" (end-of-the-world predictions) behavior considered "scandalous" to anyone over 30 in the past. The above artists all fared well, in spite of what the "elders" thought.

While what Adam Lambert did was indeed shocking (the "simulation") - that seems to be what the AMAs were about - look at Lady Gaga - positively insane, imo.

Seems everyone is trying to "out do" the other. Lines are being crossed and boundaries are being broken. While on one hand I don't like the direction in which things are going, isn't that all a part of "rock and roll?"

I don't think this performance will harm AL in any way. Personally, I don't think he really needs the added, over-the-top shock value or even the makeup, as he is extremely good-looking, charismatic and has a tremendous voice! (he could give Freddy Mercury a run for his money with that voice, eh? :biggrin:)

imo

Oh, thank goodness - finally someone who really does understand! :laugh:
(Re: Freddie = # 1 forever, but I think he would have liked Adam.)

Zanzi

11-30-2009, 09:09 AM

Me again. Re: OLD? Yes, I showed my age with the ones I listed, didn't I? :laugh: :laugh:

Zanzi

11-30-2009, 01:13 PM

Hi MN1! :seeya:

Bolded to address ... I'd prefer performers try to outdo each other in areas other than "shocking" behavior. How about they try to outdo each other performing good works, or getting an advanced education? All the focus on outdoing each other's sexual escapades is turning us into a nation of giggling adolescents, imo. I'm mortified, in addition to just plain bored with it. I would hope as a society we aspire to something higher than ever-more-daring public displays of simulated sex acts.

:shrug:

You must have missed Adam's comment, "I'm not a baby sitter, I'm a performer." Charles Barkley once stated too, "I'm not your child's role model. That's your responsibility."

MO

birdwatch

11-30-2009, 01:28 PM

You must have missed Adam's comment, "I'm not a baby sitter, I'm a performer." Charles Barkley once stated too, "I'm not your child's role model. That's your responsibility."

MO Right - and sad to say - Charles went on to more well-publicized problems with the law. Adam will continue to be popular with his limited market appeal, imo. People will pay to go see his act.
He just won't be invited to entertain on "mainstream" shows on TV - like national awards shows that are meant for general audiences. He got the message across: he doesn't care.

Zanzi

11-30-2009, 01:39 PM

Right - and sad to say - Charles went on to more well-publicized problems with the law. Adam will continue to be popular with his limited market appeal, imo. People will pay to go see his act.
He just won't be invited to entertain on "mainstream" shows on TV - like national awards shows that are meant for general audiences. He got the message across: he doesn't care.

BBM - I'd say that's yet to be determined. Networks are forgiving especially when it helps ratings. Let's see Janet Jackson - Super Bowl episode, and yet who was it that opened the AMAs this year? MO

StarShine

11-30-2009, 01:57 PM

BBM - I'd say that's yet to be determined. Networks are forgiving especially when it helps ratings. Let's see Janet Jackson - Super Bowl episode, and yet who was it that opened the AMAs this year? MO

That happened 5 years ago and if Michael Jackson hadn't died this year, she probably wouldn't have opened the AMAs this year.

EKate23

12-01-2009, 06:39 AM

Right - and sad to say - Charles went on to more well-publicized problems with the law. Adam will continue to be popular with his limited market appeal, imo. People will pay to go see his act.
He just won't be invited to entertain on "mainstream" shows on TV - like national awards shows that are meant for general audiences. He got the message across: he doesn't care.

Maybe not on network, but if he doesn't perform at the VMAs eventually, I'll be shocked. Growing up watching that awards show, on MTV, is part of how I ended up so jaded to what most of America deems appropriate.

As far as ABC goes, they have a decision to make. Adam's slated for New Year's Rockin' Eve and it hasn't been canceled yet.:sneaky:

StarShine

12-01-2009, 06:56 AM

Maybe not on network, but if he doesn't perform at the VMAs eventually, I'll be shocked. Growing up watching that awards show, on MTV, is part of how I ended up so jaded to what most of America deems appropriate.

As far as ABC goes, they have a decision to make. Adam's slated for New Year's Rockin' Eve and it hasn't been canceled yet.:sneaky:

It hasn't been cancelled YET, but seems Adam's fans are so afraid it will be that they are circulating petitions. If his performance had not been so outrageous on the AMA there never would have been a need to circulate one.

http://www.rickey.org/?p=28815

Truly sad that someone with such talent decided that pushing his agenda was more important that pushing his talent.

EKate23

12-01-2009, 07:36 AM

It hasn't been cancelled YET, but seems Adam's fans are so afraid it will be that they are circulating petitions. If his performance had not been so outrageous on the AMA there never would have been a need to circulate one.

http://www.rickey.org/?p=28815

Truly sad that someone with such talent decided that pushing his agenda was more important that pushing his talent.

Whoa, I hadn't seen that petition, and I've seen a few recently. And how the heck did it end up on Rickey's site? Honestly, I don't think it will be canceled if it hasn't been already. Especially since he'll be on ABC next week anyway for a Barbara Walters interview.

birdwatch

12-01-2009, 12:09 PM

It hasn't been cancelled YET, but seems Adam's fans are so afraid it will be that they are circulating petitions. If his performance had not been so outrageous on the AMA there never would have been a need to circulate one.

http://www.rickey.org/?p=28815

Truly sad that someone with such talent decided that pushing his agenda was more important that pushing his talent. I absolutely agree. I don't understand why he had to do that before general audiences. I think he has plenty of fans who will pay to see his kind of entertainment and buy videos. Sad to say the the networks will probably still capitalize on his popularity, but will have some more strict rules written into his contract about what he can and cannot do - whether its Rockin' New Year Eve or the next awards show.
LOL - can you imagine trying to make a list of the "cannots"?

emdragon

12-01-2009, 03:53 PM

Whoa, I hadn't seen that petition, and I've seen a few recently. And how the heck did it end up on Rickey's site? Honestly, I don't think it will be canceled if it hasn't been already. Especially since he'll be on ABC next week anyway for a Barbara Walters interview.

I think ABC slapped Adams hands with the GMA cancellation- they got their point across. Doubt they will drop him for New Years Eve.

Adam is going to be fine, Album selling well (hubby just told me Kris's is the worst debut of any AI winner- shocked me a bit cause I liked him- sadly it does make me wonder now if he won because of the anti Adam vote rather than the Pro Kris.)

It is too bad people have decided what kind of person and performer Adam is from one appearance.
The album has something for everyone.

As for not getting any mainstream appearances he did Ellen yesterday.

Controversy never hurt Madonna (and I'm talking her "Like a Virgin" performance, Brittney, and many others.

From his tweets yesterday it was clear that the AMA's was a one time thing and he is still going to be himself but in a different direction- lesson learned.

Now we can all move on and watch his career take off.

EKate23

12-01-2009, 04:54 PM

I think ABC slapped Adams hands with the GMA cancellation- they got their point across. Doubt they will drop him for New Years Eve.

Adam is going to be fine, Album selling well (hubby just told me Kris's is the worst debut of any AI winner- shocked me a bit cause I liked him- sadly it does make me wonder now if he won because of the anti Adam vote rather than the Pro Kris.)

It is too bad people have decided what kind of person and performer Adam is from one appearance.
The album has something for everyone.

As for not getting any mainstream appearances he did Ellen yesterday.

Controversy never hurt Madonna (and I'm talking her "Like a Virgin" performance, Brittney, and many others.

From his tweets yesterday it was clear that the AMA's was a one time thing and he is still going to be himself but in a different direction- lesson learned.

Now we can all move on and watch his career take off.

I'm not worried about NYE now, especially since he's slated for Jimmy Kimmel on the 14th. And as that's late night, the song may be the same. As for Ellen, that was the best live performance in a while. I read the tweets as well, and am not worried.

Zanzi

12-02-2009, 11:12 AM

Ellen said what I've been trying to say, "If you're gonna be offended by shows of sexuality then you should be offended by all shows of sexuality."

Well, said - IMO.

EKate23

12-02-2009, 11:20 AM

Ellen said what I've been trying to say, "If you're gonna be offended by shows of sexuality then you should be offended by all shows of sexuality."

Well, said - IMO.

Exactly! Adam's performances sans sexuality aren't Adam. Take it or leave it. As for controversy hurting sales, first week numbers are in and Adam sold 198,000.

http://www.billboard.com/#/news/susan-boyle-sees-dream-soar-to-no-1-on-billboard-1004050070.story

EKate23

12-02-2009, 10:50 PM

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2009/12/abc-shuts-adam-lambert-out-of-kimmel-is-the-fcc-to-blame.html

That naughty American Music Awards performance isn't going to be behind Adam Lambert anytime soon.

Even after his well-received performance on "The Early Show" last week, ABC continues to feel uncomfortable around Lambert. His Dec. 17 "Jimmy Kimmel Live" appearance was canceled today--news Lambert himself delivered on his Twitter page an hour ago.

SayWhen

12-02-2009, 11:56 PM

I am. I don't wanna see anyone kissing, using their tongue or grinding on anyone. Make it stop.

IMO

OMG, ditto. Make. It. Stop.

Details

12-03-2009, 01:23 AM

Ellen said what I've been trying to say, "If you're gonna be offended by shows of sexuality then you should be offended by all shows of sexuality."

Well, said - IMO.Garbage - IMO.

Really dumb. If I'm not offended by a little consensual kiss, then I shouldn't be offended by acting out a violent rape? Come on now - not all levels of sexuality are equal. There's public sexuality, and private. There's that which is consensual, and that which is portrayed as rape.

A kiss - no biggie. Simulated oral sex - and he yanks the guy's head down - that's forcible - and offensive. Kissing and a bit of stroking - consensual - that's not offensive to me. Going past that is. Especially anything that hints at force, suggests anything about rape being cool.

EKate23

12-03-2009, 01:34 AM

WTF did people expect him to do with those lyrics? There's some dark stuff in them. And yes, some of it is dubious consent. Is he supposed to ignore that?

Details

12-03-2009, 02:17 AM

WTF did people expect him to do with those lyrics? There's some dark stuff in them. And yes, some of it is dubious consent. Is he supposed to ignore that?In a word - YES!

He did in rehearsals. When someone sings about a murder, or breaking up with the girl they love, or making love for the first time - they don't have to act it out - right?

EKate23

12-03-2009, 02:57 AM

In a word - YES!

He did in rehearsals. When someone sings about a murder, or breaking up with the girl they love, or making love for the first time - they don't have to act it out - right?

Right, but some of those examples aren't legal to act out. If he left everything questionable alone that song can't be performed without looking horrid. Plus, part of it he did rehearse, just not exactly the way it played out. He rehearsed stage blocking, which included the dancer crawling towards him.

I'm clearly not easily offended, and not just because it's Adam.

Zanzi

12-03-2009, 10:01 AM

I am. I don't wanna see anyone kissing, using their tongue or grinding on anyone. Make it stop.

IMO

lol - then you shouldn't watch shows where bumping and grinding - and other sexually suggestive actions - have been the norm for 20+ years.

Marcia3

12-03-2009, 10:33 AM

WTF did people expect him to do with those lyrics? There's some dark stuff in them. And yes, some of it is dubious consent. Is he supposed to ignore that?

For a performance on the AMAs, why not just go with a song that is not about S&M? Surely he has something else in his repertoire...:laugh:

ninetoes

12-03-2009, 10:33 AM

Marcia3

12-03-2009, 10:33 AM

Garbage - IMO.

Really dumb. If I'm not offended by a little consensual kiss, then I shouldn't be offended by acting out a violent rape? Come on now - not all levels of sexuality are equal. There's public sexuality, and private. There's that which is consensual, and that which is portrayed as rape.

A kiss - no biggie. Simulated oral sex - and he yanks the guy's head down - that's forcible - and offensive. Kissing and a bit of stroking - consensual - that's not offensive to me. Going past that is. Especially anything that hints at force, suggests anything about rape being cool.

ITA. Couldn't agree more.

Zanzi

12-03-2009, 10:45 AM

"Adam Lambert Loses Two More ABC Bookings
After his AMA performance, Lambert will not appear on 'Jimmy Kimmel Live' or 'New Year's Rockin' Eve.'"

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1627490/20091203/lambert_adam_american_idol_.jhtml

From the link:

"Lambert did tell Ellen DeGeneres on her show on Monday that perhaps he pushed the envelope a bit too hard."

You think? :laugh:

EKate23

12-03-2009, 10:56 AM

For a performance on the AMAs, why not just go with a song that is not about S&M? Surely he has something else in his repertoire...:laugh:

Sure he does, but For Your Entertainment is the best performance piece.

StarShine

12-03-2009, 01:17 PM

StarShine

12-03-2009, 01:19 PM

Details

12-03-2009, 01:21 PM

"Adam Lambert Loses Two More ABC Bookings
After his AMA performance, Lambert will not appear on 'Jimmy Kimmel Live' or 'New Year's Rockin' Eve.'"

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1627490/20091203/lambert_adam_american_idol_.jhtmlGood deal. No way would I be watching a show that he might be on. Not just for this bit - but for acting like it's no big deal, and like critics are mere homophobes.

Marcia3

12-03-2009, 02:19 PM

Sure he does, but For Your Entertainment is the best performance piece.

Wow, that's debateable...IMO. And if that's the best he's got, I'll pass.

:thumbdown:

EKate23

12-03-2009, 02:21 PM

Good deal. No way would I be watching a show that he might be on. Not just for this bit - but for acting like it's no big deal, and like critics are mere homophobes.

I don't think all the critics are homophobes, but the kiss is getting more press than the oral. That's why he's making those comments. And once again the rest of the world thinks America made a mountain out of a molehill. ABC didn't even do their own write-up this morning, but rather is circulating the Reuters piece.

Marcia3

12-03-2009, 02:22 PM

Why even sing a song like that? What is the purpose, if not to act it out and feign disbelief that people don't like it? To cry homophobic when your actions go to far is childish and rather like a bully.

AL wants everyone to accept his sexuality, fine. No problem. Just don't ask me to lump in a distasteful "musical" performance along with it. It's not a package deal.

IMO

Marcia3

12-03-2009, 02:23 PM

I don't think all the critics are homophobes, but the kiss is getting more press than the oral. That's why he's making those comments. And once again the rest of the world thinks America made a mountain out of a molehill. ABC didn't even do their own write-up this morning, but rather is circulating the Reuters piece.

On what are you basing that statement that I bolded? If you have no link, guess you need to add that it's your opinion, not a fact.

Thanks.

EKate23

12-03-2009, 02:33 PM

Why even sing a song like that? What is the purpose, if not to act it out and feign disbelief that people don't like it? To cry homophobic when your actions go to far is childish and rather like a bully.

Because it's his first single and the title track for the album.

EKate23

12-03-2009, 02:36 PM

Wow, that's debateable...IMO. And if that's the best he's got, I'll pass.

:thumbdown:

I said performance piece not song. There are better songs, but not for a stage production. IMO.

EKate23

12-03-2009, 02:39 PM

On what are you basing that statement that I bolded? If you have no link, guess you need to add that it's your opinion, not a fact.

Thanks.

Sorry, can't go back and edit, but that is my opinion after having read American and International press. Not to mention the foreign interviews he's done this week.

Marcia3

12-03-2009, 03:28 PM

I said performance piece not song. There are better songs, but not for a stage production. IMO.

I still think it's debateable that the song or piece he chose was the best for that particular venue. It's all subjective and whether or not he offended people is not up for debate. I'm certainly not homophobic, I just thought it was raunchy and not fit for regular broadcast TV.

All JMHO.

Marcia3

12-03-2009, 04:13 PM

:beer: I've only seen bits and pieces of it and I found it extremely vulgar and offensive. Certainly nothing I'd want a youngster to view, accidentally or otherwise. MHO

If I chose to see him in concert, I would certainly understand that he would be performing with much less abandon, but when I'm watching TV on a regular broadcast station, I expect some standards to be applied. Just glad that I don't have young kids any more, it seems like anything goes these days and that's not for me.

EKate23

12-03-2009, 04:20 PM

I still think it's debateable that the song or piece he chose was the best for that particular venue. It's all subjective and whether or not he offended people is not up for debate. I'm certainly not homophobic, I just thought it was raunchy and not fit for regular broadcast TV.

All JMHO.

I see where you're coming from, but I don't think he had a choice. A second single wasn't released until after AMA rehearsals began. I do think the two songs together work nicely to convey the mood of the album though. However, to put them both in the same performance would've been an emotional rollercoaster. IMO.

EKate23

12-03-2009, 04:29 PM

If I chose to see him in concert, I would certainly understand that he would be performing with much less abandon, but when I'm watching TV on a regular broadcast station, I expect some standards to be applied. Just glad that I don't have young kids any more, it seems like anything goes these days and that's not for me.

Interesting you should mention not having young kids anymore. I discussed the performance with my mother over Thanksgiving. She was very conservative with what she let us watch as kids, but now that it's what she likes without kids to worry about, she's totally different in how she viewed the performance. She likes Adam and saw nothing wrong with the performance, but if I'd seen that as a kid, she'd have flipped.

Marcia3

12-03-2009, 04:32 PM

Interesting you should mention not having young kids anymore. I discussed the performance with my mother over Thanksgiving. She was very conservative with what she let us watch as kids, but now that it's what she likes without kids to worry about, she's totally different in how she viewed the performance. She likes Adam and saw nothing wrong with the performance, but if I'd seen that as a kid, she'd have flipped.

That made me laugh! If my mom had seen it, she would've had my dad throw the TV out! :laugh:

And yes, she's old (89) but she would've had the same reaction at any age. Guess we're more alike than I thought!

Marcia3

12-03-2009, 04:36 PM

I see where you're coming from, but I don't think he had a choice. A second single wasn't released until after AMA rehearsals began. I do think the two songs together work nicely to convey the mood of the album though. However, to put them both in the same performance would've been an emotional rollercoaster. IMO.

He had a choice not to grab crotches and simulate oral sex on the stage. That's where he stepped over the line with some viewers like me.

SayWhen

12-03-2009, 04:37 PM

I could have predicted this.

I did predict it ... I was just wearing a different dress at the time.

SayWhen

12-03-2009, 04:41 PM

I don't. And it's pretty slim pickens for people like me.

I long for the old days, when moviemakers could "hint" at what was going on and that was enough.

I long for any day in which we're not showcasing basic natural urges and twittering like a bunch of adolescents about sexual subjects. It's incredibly base and downright embarrassing, imo.

EKate23

12-03-2009, 04:44 PM

He had a choice not to grab crotches and simulate oral sex on the stage. That's where he stepped over the line with some viewers like me.

That I'll agree with, but I meant the song chosen. As for crotch grabs, I don't even notice those anymore after the summer tour. He's been doing that for a while, in tighter pants too. The only thing verboten on the Idol tour was cursing, anything else TPTB let go.

SayWhen

12-03-2009, 04:45 PM

I don't think all the critics are homophobes, but the kiss is getting more press than the oral. That's why he's making those comments. And once again the rest of the world thinks America made a mountain out of a molehill. ABC didn't even do their own write-up this morning, but rather is circulating the Reuters piece.

BBM. Maybe America's just ever more fed up with this kind of nonsense.

Marcia3

12-03-2009, 04:50 PM

No children, but I do have grandchildren. It's cause for concern.

I have no desire to watch people having sex on television, whether it's to a real or imagined person. Two's company. Three's a crowd. The thought of little children watching makes my stomach turn.

Agreed. I have a grandchild, 19 months old. Who knows what'll be on TV by the time he becomes a teen? Shudder to think! :scared:

StarShine

12-03-2009, 04:55 PM

Interesting you should mention not having young kids anymore. I discussed the performance with my mother over Thanksgiving. She was very conservative with what she let us watch as kids, but now that it's what she likes without kids to worry about, she's totally different in how she viewed the performance. She likes Adam and saw nothing wrong with the performance, but if I'd seen that as a kid, she'd have flipped.

She saw nothing wrong with his performance?:scared: Wow!! I think it was disgusting and in my opinion I do not believe I am in the minority about it.

StarShine

12-03-2009, 04:56 PM

I did predict it ... I was just wearing a different dress at the time.

Hi I missed you.:biggrin:

EKate23

12-03-2009, 05:09 PM

She saw nothing wrong with his performance?:scared: Wow!! I think it was disgusting and in my opinion I do not believe I am in the minority about it.

Nope, or at least not that she indicated to me. My sister and BFF said the same thing. As for whether you're in the minority, certainly not here, but some places you would be. What would surprise you is that generation has zero to do with it. There are as many cougar supporters as college/high school kids.

You know that I've been defending Adam since March and Ring of Fire, and I'm not the only one. His fans have gotten two thank yous this week for being willing to stand behind him. Ever since the AMAs, I've posted mostly with Adam fans for the sake of my sanity. This thread is the exception.

Details

12-03-2009, 05:16 PM

Some may depend on which version of the performance was seen - they made a cut version that didn't include the oral sex and grabbing other performer's crotches. Just the kiss. And that version of the performance I'd have no issue with.

ninetoes

12-03-2009, 05:17 PM

I have a feeling I'll regret this, but...what is a cougar, other than a large mountain cat?

StarShine

12-03-2009, 05:17 PM

Nope, or at least not that she indicated to me. My sister and BFF said the same thing. As for whether you're in the minority, certainly not here, but some places you would be. What would surprise you is that generation has zero to do with it. There are as many cougar supporters as college/high school kids.

You know that I've been defending Adam since March and Ring of Fire, and I'm not the only one. His fans have gotten two thank yous this week for being willing to stand behind him. Ever since the AMAs, I've posted mostly with Adam fans for the sake of my sanity. This thread is the exception.

Cougar supporters? LOL that made me laugh.

I just think he is trying to push the envelope and with his talent he need not have gone that far. It wasn't his song that bothered me, it was his performance. It did not belong on national tv and Adam and whoever is behind his management team should be ashamed of themselves for not advising him better.

Susan Boyle's CD is selling FAR BETTER than his and she never have to make one obscene gesture....LOL In fact her first CD is one of the fastest selling CDs in history.

EKate23

12-03-2009, 05:19 PM

I have a feeling I'll regret this, but...what is a cougar, other than a large mountain cat?

It's a term for music fans over 40.

ninetoes

12-03-2009, 05:21 PM

It's a term for music fans over 40.

well, I'll be dipped in snuff. Im a cougar and didnt even know it.

EKate23

12-03-2009, 05:29 PM

Cougar supporters? LOL that made me laugh.

I just think he is trying to push the envelope and with his talent he need not have gone that far. It wasn't his song that bothered me, it was his performance. It did not belong on national tv and Adam and whoever is behind his management team should be ashamed of themselves for not advising him better.

Susan Boyle's CD is selling FAR BETTER than his and she never have to make one obscene gesture....LOL In fact her first CD is one of the fastest selling CDs in history.

Adam's management basically leaves Adam alone. Hence the performance that thrilled Adam, his band, and his fans that knew what to expect. The offended are either not his fans or fans of balladeer Adam, which For Your Entertainment isn't, offensive actions or no. IMO. As for sales, Susan Boyle caters to a crowd that buys CDs, Adam doesn't. Her numbers were insane, but his certainly weren't bad. Almost 200k is higher than most predictions, and the #2 debut of the year, #1 in pop.

Details

12-03-2009, 05:57 PM

It's a term for music fans over 40.Umm - usually a fair bit more than that.

A cougar is an older woman who goes after younger men - usually a complimentary term, since there's an implication that she's attractive and seductive.

SayWhen

12-03-2009, 06:29 PM

All the violence and sex these babies are subjected to on a daily basis HAS an adverse effect upon them. It just does. Just the way children behave these days is enough to make a person want to cry. No discipline, no moral codes, no ethics, divorced parents at each other's throats using children as scape goats and ammunition...what will we be reaping in the future??? It's frightening.

And those are the kids from normal, middle class homes. :scared:

SayWhen

12-03-2009, 06:31 PM

Hi I missed you.:biggrin:

:seeya:

I miss me, too. A lot of me's, actually. :glare:

ninetoes

12-03-2009, 06:31 PM

Umm - usually a fair bit more than that.

A cougar is an older woman who goes after younger men - usually a complimentary term, since there's an implication that she's attractive and seductive.

Oh good Lord, then forget my last post. I aint a cougar.

SayWhen

12-03-2009, 06:33 PM

well, I'll be dipped in snuff. Im a cougar and didnt even know it.

Well, if you're over 50 like me, you've passed through your cougar phase and didn't even know it, lol.

I think I'm in the geriatric or fossil cougar bracket now.

Details

12-03-2009, 06:59 PM

Oh good Lord, then forget my last post. I aint a cougar.I had a feeling you'd want to know - especially before you went around maybe calling yourself a cougar...
:lol:

EKate23

12-03-2009, 07:08 PM

Umm - usually a fair bit more than that.

A cougar is an older woman who goes after younger men - usually a complimentary term, since there's an implication that she's attractive and seductive.

I was being nice, since it's usually used as a term to denote creepy in the circles I run in.

StarShine

12-03-2009, 07:21 PM

I was being nice, since it's usually used as a term to denote creepy in the circles I run in.

What a world!! LOL Cougars are creepy and Adam is just GREAT while he simulates oral sex on the stage. Excuse me but I find that hysterically funny in a sad way:lol:

EKate23

12-03-2009, 07:33 PM

What a world!! LOL Cougars are creepy and Adam is just GREAT while he simulates oral sex on the stage. Excuse me but I find that hysterically funny in a sad way:lol:

Cougars being creepy has zero to do with Adam fans for me. It started at a David Cook concert when I encountered them hitting on frat boys and getting frat party details. As for Adam simulating oral on stage, didn't bother me, but I get why it bothered others. And no, I'm not sure what would bother me as he's been so open that very little would surprise me now.

ETA: BTW StarShine, if you haven't heard Danny Gokey's singles, let me know.

Details

12-03-2009, 10:23 PM

There is really an ugly picture of Adam with no makeup. Ick I also wish they would say what the real reason was as it was not the man-on-man kiss but the oral sex simulation :rolleyes: JMO...I don't think they want to mention the real reason as much. Controversy sells newspapers (and generates clicks), and leaving the implication it was just the kiss builds controversy.

The oral sex - and I really strongly oppose ANYTHING that rings of forced sexual contact - pushing the head down, grabbing the crotch - the last thing we need is for rape to be considered a relatively normal thing.

I might have been OK with a fair bit of it, without the force aspect - if it was choreographed to be something voluntary, not something pushed on someone. Otherwise - it feels like suggesting force is OK - no repercussions, no shame.

EKate23

12-03-2009, 10:43 PM

The reason the kiss is being played up is because the Liberty Council is petitioning the FCC over the "homoerotic" acts being on TV.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-lambert4-2009dec04,0,6161722.story

The decision by ABC to cancel Adam Lambert's upcoming appearance on the late night show "Jimmy Kimmel Live" and to remove him from the potential roster of New Year's Rockin' Eve performers continued to create controversy Thursday, as a conservative Christian group defended its decision to protest Lambert's sexually suggestive performance last month at the American Music Awards.

daniel green

12-04-2009, 12:55 AM

There is really an ugly picture of Adam with no makeup. Ick I also wish they would say what the real reason was as it was not the man-on-man kiss but the oral sex simulation :rolleyes: JMO

The nation's most outspoken gay rights group just released a statement in support of ABC's decision to boot Lambert from "Jimmy Kimmel Live" and an upcoming New Year's Eve special in the wake of his AMA performance -- the one with the man-on-man kiss.

ABC sent a statement to GLAAD, explaining how Adam's removal was "not a question of Lambert's sexual orientation" but was instead because his live performance at the AMAs differed "greatly" from rehearsals and "caught the network off guard" -- which is justification for dropping him from other live shows.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/03/glaad-backs-abcs-decision-to-can-lambert/#comments#ixzz0YgZu03TK

Thank you for posting this, Xenam.

EKate23

12-04-2009, 02:25 AM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/03/AR2009120304474.html?hpid=sec-artsliving

Note to ABC: Airing music trophy shows is not for the faint of heart. And, when an artist is performing surrounded by chicks dressed like pre-World War II Berlin hookers hanging from stripper poles, and guys are being walked on all fours like dogs, and the tune's lyrics go like this:

Imma hurt you real good baby

Let's go, it's my show, baby, do what I say . . .

I told ya, Imma hold ya down until you're amazed

Give it to ya til you're screamin' my name

. . . sometimes things are going to happen.

Zanzi

12-04-2009, 06:18 AM

Where is Tipper (Gore) when you need her? :laugh:

EKate23

12-04-2009, 06:51 AM

Where is Tipper (Gore) when you need her? :laugh:

Far away from this mess or things would be crazier than they already are.

StarShine

12-04-2009, 06:53 AM

EKate23

12-04-2009, 06:57 AM

Faint of heart? I wouldn't use quite those words. To tell you the truth I had no idea what the heck he was screaming about. What a waste of talent!!

Most people probably had no idea what he was singing. I on the other was laughing at what they chose to censor, lyrics wise, while leaving the bj lyric in.

Zanzi

12-04-2009, 07:15 AM

Marcia3

12-04-2009, 08:45 AM

Call me cynical, but I believe a lot of this objection is coming from people who didn't want Kris or Adam to win and are disgruntled because Adam is going to have a successful career in spite of everything. MO

IMO, not in my case. I haven't watched AI for several years, so I had no preconceived notion of AL or his level of talent before I saw the performance on the AMAs.

What you're saying may be true of others, but I have no dog in that fight. I was just turned off by the raunchy aspects of his performance and the lyrics of the song he chose to perform (and release as his first single).

Singing about S&M...not a tune I'd want rattling around in my head. :tonguewag:

StarShine

12-04-2009, 01:03 PM

There is really an ugly picture of Adam with no makeup. Ick I also wish they would say what the real reason was as it was not the man-on-man kiss but the oral sex simulation :rolleyes: JMO

The nation's most outspoken gay rights group just released a statement in support of ABC's decision to boot Lambert from "Jimmy Kimmel Live" and an upcoming New Year's Eve special in the wake of his AMA performance -- the one with the man-on-man kiss.

ABC sent a statement to GLAAD, explaining how Adam's removal was "not a question of Lambert's sexual orientation" but was instead because his live performance at the AMAs differed "greatly" from rehearsals and "caught the network off guard" -- which is justification for dropping him from other live shows.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/03/glaad-backs-abcs-decision-to-can-lambert/#comments#ixzz0YgZu03TK

Hi Xenam.

ITA with you. I am sick of the press just bringing up the kiss....it was the other part that was more offending as far as I am concerned.

StarShine

12-04-2009, 01:04 PM

Marcia3

12-04-2009, 01:46 PM

IMO that's absurd. It has nothing to do with who won AI or who didn't.

And whether or not he has a successful career remains to be seen, IMO.

Details

12-04-2009, 01:50 PM

Call me cynical, but I believe a lot of this objection is coming from people who didn't want Kris or Adam to win and are disgruntled because Adam is going to have a successful career in spite of everything. MOOK, I'll call you cynical.

I didn't watch AI. Didn't know who the top 2 were, had just enough curiosity to read about the deal when there was a bunch of controversy about the winner - otherwise I didn't care at all. I watched AI the first few seasons, but it became repetitive.

I don't care if he has a successful career - that's fine. But that performance wasn't right. Do whatever you like at a concert, where it's just your fans and they should know what to expect. But on TV, national show - no.

Details

12-04-2009, 01:51 PM

birdwatch

12-04-2009, 02:01 PM

OK, I'll call you cynical.

I didn't watch AI. Didn't know who the top 2 were, had just enough curiosity to read about the deal when there was a bunch of controversy about the winner - otherwise I didn't care at all. I watched AI the first few seasons, but it became repetitive.

I don't care if he has a successful career - that's fine. But that performance wasn't right. Do whatever you like at a concert, where it's just your fans and they should know what to expect. But on TV, national show - no. I agree absolutely. He can go on to sell out shows to people who are looking to see something... ummm... unusual.
But Adam showed that he can't be trusted - to stick to the script or whatever was outlined in rehearsal for a national audience.
And he hasn't even had the good sense to apologise so I don't wonder that producers are wary of hiring him for any national TV show.

Marcia3

12-04-2009, 02:10 PM

I agree absolutely. He can go on to sell out shows to people who are looking to see something... ummm... unusual.
But Adam showed that he can't be trusted - to stick to the script or whatever was outlined in rehearsal for a national audience.
And he hasn't even had the good sense to apologise so I don't wonder that producers are wary of hiring him for any national TV show.

Given that his tweet on 11/30 indicated he was not going to apologize:

Don't worry friends: I'm still gonna be me. Always. W/o appologies. Just gonna experiment differently w how I present myself.

My guess would be that he will continue to push the envelope, and will eventually find a niche market - and monetary success will come with it. It's hard to continue that rebel thing though much past 40, so hopefully he'll come up with something else before then! :w00t:

EKate23

12-04-2009, 04:12 PM

I agree absolutely. He can go on to sell out shows to people who are looking to see something... ummm... unusual.
But Adam showed that he can't be trusted - to stick to the script or whatever was outlined in rehearsal for a national audience.
And he hasn't even had the good sense to apologise so I don't wonder that producers are wary of hiring him for any national TV show.

He's getting plenty of shows, just not on ABC. As for an apology, it won't happen. He's said he didn't mean to offend and given multiple explanations of what happened. It wasn't calculated and he was playing to the audience in the room, not the television audience. IMO because that's in radio and tv interviews, not print.

EKate23

12-04-2009, 05:17 PM

They're protesting the sexually suggestive performance - not the kiss. It's all of the rest of it that is the problem.

The kiss is still part of the performance is it not? Not my fault that the picture of Adam and Tommy is everywhere. Oh and I'm totally amused that the fact that the bj move was done with a guy and a girl has gotten zero press. Apparently a female submissive is a-ok media-wise.

EKate23

12-04-2009, 05:33 PM

Oh that doesn't matter at all. It was wrong whether male or female and again the kiss is not what disturbed people at least speaking for myself. If it was HIS concert obviously would probably not have been an issue. He performed to a diverse audience - so the venue was totally inappropriate for his performance. JMO

I get that the kiss wasn't as disturbing, but it still gets the most press. As for venue/audience, Adam never intended to be what everyone wanted. And if that includes ABC, that'll be fine. Disneyfying him is the last thing anyone should want. When his own lyrics include, "Can you handle what I'm about to do?" he's perfectly aware not everyone will like it.

StarShine

12-04-2009, 07:17 PM

I get that the kiss wasn't as disturbing, but it still gets the most press. As for venue/audience, Adam never intended to be what everyone wanted. And if that includes ABC, that'll be fine. Disneyfying him is the last thing anyone should want. When his own lyrics include, "Can you handle what I'm about to do?" he's perfectly aware not everyone will like it.

Poor Adam doesn't realize how much of a career he is throwing away. His loss, not mine.

EKate23

12-04-2009, 07:27 PM

Poor Adam doesn't realize how much of a career he is throwing away. His loss, not mine.

From what I've seen, he'll be just fine. Many people have started supporting him since the AMAs. You can be mainstream without being vanilla safe. It remains to be seen what success he'll have, but he definitely has industry respect and the media behind him.

tiptop

12-04-2009, 08:06 PM

From what I've seen, he'll be just fine. Many people have started supporting him since the AMAs. You can be mainstream without being vanilla safe. It remains to be seen what success he'll have, but he definitely has industry respect and the media behind him.

I agree. Whether his music career is ruined or not seems secondary to me. He is out and proud. It may make him or break him professionally but I think personally he will grow and learn and be a comfortable gay man in the public's fishbowl.

EKate23

12-04-2009, 08:16 PM

I agree. Whether his music career is ruined or not seems secondary to me. He is out and proud. It may make him or break him professionally but I think personally he will grow and learn and be a comfortable gay man in the public's fishbowl.

Exactly. However, the week before the AMAs was Out magazine controversy central, so he can't win there either.

tiptop

12-04-2009, 08:24 PM

Exactly. However, the week before the AMAs was Out magazine controversy central, so he can't win there either.

You know, I missed all that though I heard about it. I need to check it out. In a way I envy him. This is fuel for his young heart and mind. I wish him the best. He has a tough road ahead. But I hope someone tells him the most important thing is his peace of mind. Though trying to tell a young one money and fame are not important is like herding cats. :tongue:

EKate23

12-04-2009, 08:33 PM

You know, I missed all that though I heard about it. I need to check it out. In a way I envy him. This is fuel for his young heart and mind. I wish him the best. He has a tough road ahead. But I hope someone tells him the most important thing is his peace of mind. Though trying to tell a young one money and fame are not important is like herding cats. :tongue:

Let's just put it this way, Aaron Hicklin was public enemy #1 for an open letter in the Out 100 issue. Little did he know that Adam put the stipulations on the interview, not his management. Entertainment Weekly has an interview with Adam and AfterElton followed the whole thing.

StarShine

12-04-2009, 08:34 PM

EKate23

12-04-2009, 08:55 PM

Doesn't matter, Adam's career is never going to be as big as it could have been and this has nothing to do with his sexual persuasion but more for his arrogance at thinking he is entitled to get away with anything on regular tv. Sorry Adam, you're just not that BIG or ENTITLED to get away with it. MO

You don't know that and while several people may agree with you, many don't. Ultimately, this won't be forgotten, but even ABC has already given one show the go-ahead to schedule him next year. As for entitled, riiiight. Sh!t happens when you improvise.

Details

12-04-2009, 08:58 PM

The kiss is still part of the performance is it not? Not my fault that the picture of Adam and Tommy is everywhere. Oh and I'm totally amused that the fact that the bj move was done with a guy and a girl has gotten zero press. Apparently a female submissive is a-ok media-wise.Singing is part of the performance too. So is the microphone stand. So is walking on the stage.

I'm sure that photo of the kiss is used a lot - since the BJ photo is something that shouldn't be published, that most news agencies wouldn't want to have on their site.

EKate23

12-04-2009, 09:14 PM

Singing is part of the performance too. So is the microphone stand. So is walking on the stage.

I'm sure that photo of the kiss is used a lot - since the BJ photo is something that shouldn't be published, that most news agencies wouldn't want to have on their site.

The BJ photo's been published a fair amount. As for microphone stand and Adam, you don't even want to go there. However, while most people are offended by the bj, that's not everybody. Some were offended by the kiss.

Details

12-04-2009, 10:33 PM

The BJ photo's been published a fair amount. As for microphone stand and Adam, you don't even want to go there. However, while most people are offended by the bj, that's not everybody. Some were offended by the kiss.Of course some were. No denying there are homophobes - and people who would rather not see even a heterosexual kiss. However - were it just that, there would not be the big blowup. Homosexual kisses have happened plenty of other times on national TV. It's about the BJ.

EKate23

12-04-2009, 10:58 PM

Honestly, ABC is apparently over it. Adam will be on The View next week. And yes, performing.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2009/12/adam-lambert-to-appear-on-the-view-next-thursday.html

EKate23

12-05-2009, 12:43 AM

Interesting; it is also being pre-taped. I don't think he would do anything in prime time anyway going forward. He may not have apologized but I think he "got it". JMO

Yeah, he definitely got it. And I have no idea when they're taping though. Next week I guess.

Zanzi

12-05-2009, 08:17 AM

Poor Adam doesn't realize how much of a career he is throwing away. His loss, not mine.

I don't think any of us here can predict the future, but based on other things from the past that seemed so scandalous at the time, I think Adam's AMA performance will end up as nothing more than a footnote. MO

EKate23

12-08-2009, 09:38 AM

http://www.popeater.com/2009/12/08/elisabeth-hasselbeck-adam-lambert-the-view/?icid=main|main|dl2|link6|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.popeate r.com%2F2009%2F12%2F08%2Felisabeth-hasselbeck-adam-lambert-the-view%2F

If you like drama, you may want to set your DVR to tape 'The View' on Thursday, as there is going to be an old-fashioned throwdown between host Elisabeth Hasselbeck and the newly-controversial Adam Lambert. Word is the conservative host is ready to pounce on the openly gay star's recent racy performance.

This should be fun... She obviously has no idea what picking a fight with Adam results in.

Zanzi

12-08-2009, 10:56 AM

EKate23

12-08-2009, 11:00 AM

LOL - also from the article:

"However, if she thinks Lambert is easy prey, she might be in for a surprise. Lambert's pal has told me: "Adam has had to deal with people like her all his life. If it's a fight she wants, she's got it."

Yeah, however, so far she's playing nice. He tweeted from her phone a while ago.

StarShine

12-09-2009, 06:35 PM

emdragon

12-09-2009, 06:57 PM

LOL you do know that the show is taped, not live...

Taped or Live it doesn't change the fact that it isn't a fair fight- Adam had brains and common sense while Elizabeth is lacking in both.

Adam is a professional he can handle whatever Elizabeth wants to dish out.. and he will do it with charm and style- Elizabeth won't know what hit her.

The whole "taped" issue is absurd- Adam had done other live performances since the AMA's without incident, but hey if ABC wants to keep the buzz going and be Adam's free publicists more power to them.

He is one the view simply because ABC saw how stupid they looked canceling all his appearances on the network only to have it pointed out he was part of Barbara's special. lol