Saturday, November 21st

[FrankieBones1]

New day, new thread.

Justice for Shaniya.

:rose:

[VC2]

I posted this on yesterdays thread but will repost here:

i agree the father could have made better decisions, but I don't see how he would have won formal custody since the mom had a clean slate legally and could have made any place she was staying look nice.

In fact unless there was abuse proven and that means early on if he went for custody at 1 for example.

on her side, she is the birth mom with no legal issues. No money but child support would help. She seemed to be raising a 7 year old with no problem

on his side, he is unable to be home and would not be a hands on dad..if he got custody it woudl be defacto with another raising her ..like the sister.

It seems apart from the one occasion of the cigarette/excema issue there has been no actual abuse stated except she didn't seem happy there and wouldnt talk about it.

He lost custody of all his other children except cheyenne whom he allowed to go live with her friends family. Partly imo due to his work and being away partly who knows.

This loss of custody does not necessarily say anything bad about him per se but does say the courts already don't think he is the place as a sole custodian for a child given his work at the least.

He should have let Mr. Allen or his FIL have her but thats hindsight. in his view, mom was working for 6 months and had a place to live. Big mistake but iirc she was working when shaniya went there (albeit not for 6 months) and did have a place to stay, with her sister. I saw those pics and they weren't that bad..easy to clean up for the day she arrived. You know they are looking for something hard when cookies on the bed are one of the 3 worst pics.

So maybe we should stop attacking him as if he knew what he was sending her to and not getting custody.

Mr. Lockhart strikes me as being the penultimate hands off dad, not bc he doesn't care but he just isn't there due to work. He provides, he kisses the kids goodnight when he comes home, asks about their day and says good morning before he leaves. Millions of dads like that who aren't considered bad dads, just the way it is.

He should have listened to his friend and fil. Many can't conceive that a mom would do what this one did. In fact i have a feeling he is being like some on this board, still wondering if its true or they wouldn't have put her in the obit at least not at the head of it. He didn't listen and he will pay for that the rest of his life in the loss of his little girl and the suffering she went through.

Doesn't make him the criminal though.

IMO

[FrankieBones1]

Good Morning, VC. Did Antoinette Davis really have a clean slate?

[CrazyMoma]

Morning all..I've been AWOL for a while.

RIP Shaniya :rose:


:crying:

When is the funeral? I heard her body has been released.

[VC2]

Good Morning, VC. Did Antoinette Davis really have a clean slate?

yes frankie bones she did. Not one conviction on her record at all

Apparently there may have been a prostitution arrest but charge was dropped. That could simply have been a sweep where she was picked up with a bunch of people not all who were prostitutes and i am not even sure there was that.

Bottom line is there was not a single conviction of any sort.

[FrankieBones1]

yes frankie bones she did. Not one conviction on her record at all

Apparently there may have been a prostitution arrest but charge was dropped. That could simply have been a sweep where she was picked up with a bunch of people not all who were prostitutes and i am not even sure there was that.

Bottom line is there was not a single conviction of any sort.Then I should take back a post last night. I thought there wouldn't be a judge that would have given her custody.

[VC2]

I would like to ask that we at least respect the living victims here such as friends and family until the baby is buried today :( and keep the anger for the creeps that did this

their hearts are breaking

[slaaer]

Im not defending or accusing at this point. The reality of it is Shaniya is gone an thats the point now. What we need to do as people is learn how to prevent this from happening again. Yes i know itll happen but heres what i been seeing. A friend on another board just heard about this 2 days ago. An im like how is this possible. I dont have Tv. i dont listen the radio but i have the internet an FRIENDS. Word got to me directly from Brad so then i went searching. The next day at work my boss an co-workers were talking about her. they seen the news an heard the amber alert go out. But it didnt reach people as fast as it should have. An im talking locally. Yes its made it worldwide now but in the begining i dont think it got out fast enough an spread out enough. Maybe a change needs to be made there.

[slaaer]

Frankie as far as Nc is concerned the mother usually wins in any kinna custody battle. It takes a extremes to make a judge side for fathers.

[tootie]

Just a friendly reminder to light a candle for Shaniya at gratefuleness.org......http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=snd

:rose:

[VC2]

Im not defending or accusing at this point. The reality of it is Shaniya is gone an thats the point now. What we need to do as people is learn how to prevent this from happening again. Yes i know itll happen but heres what i been seeing. A friend on another board just heard about this 2 days ago. An im like how is this possible. I dont have Tv. i dont listen the radio but i have the internet an FRIENDS. Word got to me directly from Brad so then i went searching. The next day at work my boss an co-workers were talking about her. they seen the news an heard the amber alert go out. But it didnt reach people as fast as it should have. An im talking locally. Yes its made it worldwide now but in the begining i dont think it got out fast enough an spread out enough. Maybe a change needs to be made there.

You are absolutely right Slaaer. We need to work as hard as possible to get the word out as fast as possible. I suspect ppl on this board learned about it faster than some people in fayettteville bc we actually follow these closely

one thing is the amber alerts..they have to change the conditions, they need to start putting them out almost immediately. enough of this "only if there is a car description". Its easy to cancel and if you have the little girl or boys description it can save a life.

Another thing is for LE to send the missing fliers to every hotel and motel in a hundred mile radius immediately. If its a family abduction-custodial, or in a case like this, it can save a life. If the clerk had teh pic earlier its possible LE could have gotten her alive before MM left the hotel. Sort of like mass faxing, hit one button on LE's fax machine and it goes to all hotel/motels

heck even if its a runaway, it gets it out there. doesn't have to be a full flier even, just a pic and the basics.

[slaaer]

Just a friendly reminder to light a candle for Shaniya at gratefuleness.org......http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=snd

:rose:
Thank you for the link

[CrazyMoma]

Thank you for the link

ditto..I lit a candle :rose: for Shaniya!

[CrazyMoma]

slaaer, would you happen to know if the Memorial will be broad cast for us that wont be able to attend. I only live a couple of hours from there but I am not in that good of health myself to be going . Thanks

I would think not..but I may be wrong.

[MiamiNice1]

Really, what are YOU doing to make the world a safer place for kids? Did you care about this issue before you found out you had a friend whose child was murdered? News flash for you, some of us have been here for YEARS discussing these cases, donating to organizations that look for children, go out and look for missing kids WE DON'T EVEN KNOW, etc.

Not all of us are judgemental, some of us are, but its like that IRL too so the internet is no different. Nothing wrong w/ living in a trailer but if you have sweerage problems, feces smeared on your porch, drugs being used and possibly dealt out of the trailer, etc., yeah some of us are gonna judge.

I have no doubt he loved his daughter. However, I side w/ those who say the home situtation should have been checked out THOROUGHLY and for longer than 6 mos before turning a 5 yr old over to that household. Did he ever even go inside the trailer, even once?

If nothng else, let this be a warning to those who say "we really do need to get something legal on paper ragarding custody..." like Cindy Anthony was "going to" do, and like Mr Lochart and his sister discussed just before he for some reason sent Shaniya to live for an extended period with the very person he was "going to" seek custody legally against. Day late/ dollar short.

If anyone out there is similarly contemplating getting legal custody of a child they think is in danger, please do it sooner rather than later. JMO

abbie

BBM - Thank you for this wonderful post Abbie - excellent reply to someone who came on here with guns a-blazing, unnecessarily.

"Judging" cuts BOTH ways.

imo

[AJandTam]

Abbie, Abbie Abbie.. :thumbsup:

[GrannyB]

Has anyone figured out why Aunt Carey isn't mentioned in the obituary?

[Katt2]

To those that are here for the right reasons keep it up. As people we need to come together an make things right for our children an for the future children.



~~~~snipped to address just this point~~~~



I doubt there is a poster on this board that is not here for the right reason--concern and care for our fellow beings, be they children or adults.

As parents and people we need to come together and ensure the well being and safety of our children--something I don't feel was provided to Shaniya by either of her biological parents.

[jammies]

Great post, Abbie, and I couldn't agree more.

Time for parents to step up to the plate and put their children FIRST. I don't take to being lectured when I have spent my entire life trying to PROTECT my children from harm and speaking up, making phone calls, whatever it takes when I see other children in trouble. If parents did their job I wonder how many of these horrific crimes could be avoided.

And YES, I feel bad for this family BUT we all know this would NEVER have happened IF they had been DILIGENT and put Shaniya FIRST.

It's the job parents signed up for and putting the burden on society is what's wrong here. It's a 24/7 job and you can NEVER let your guard down. I don't want to feel obligated to watch YOUR child because you won't. Unfortunately, that's the NORM now. All the REST of the "village" has to raise YOUR child. Until we DEMAND and hold parents accountable nothing will change.

Having said that.....RIP Shaniya.

[jammies]

To add one more thing to my excellent post above (hahaha) as a normal person, bfore I sent a child to live elsewhere, I would have not only checked out the trailer but would have insisted on seeing the place my child was going to be sleeping, how much food was in the house on a few different visits, he could have investiagated her criminal background for arrests he might have never known about, called the school she was currently attending, called the school she would be attending once she moved in w/ om, even gone to meet the teacher to make her aware that the kid was changing living arrangements (teachers need to know stuff like this so they can pick up on potential behavioral or other problems the child might develop),and on and on and on......

At the very LEAST!

[jammies]

darn that Hilary Clinton. LOL

hi jammies:tongue:


Seriously! If more moms were HOME baking chocolate chip cookies for their kids instead of expecting the Village Commune to keep watch............ :cuss:

[Annie143]

Really, what are YOU doing to make the world a safer place for kids? Did you care about this issue before you found out you had a friend whose child was murdered? News flash for you, some of us have been here for YEARS discussing these cases, donating to organizations that look for children, go out and look for missing kids WE DON'T EVEN KNOW, etc.

Not all of us are judgemental, some of us are, but its like that IRL too so the internet is no different. Nothing wrong w/ living in a trailer but if you have sweerage problems, feces smeared on your porch, drugs being used and possibly dealt out of the trailer, etc., yeah some of us are gonna judge.

I have no doubt he loved his daughter. However, I side w/ those who say the home situtation should have been checked out THOROUGHLY and for longer than 6 mos before turning a 5 yr old over to that household. Did he ever even go inside the trailer, even once?

If nothng else, let this be a warning to those who say "we really do need to get something legal on paper ragarding custody..." like Cindy Anthony was "going to" do, and like Mr Lochart and his sister discussed just before he for some reason sent Shaniya to live for an extended period with the very person he was "going to" seek custody legally against. Day late/ dollar short. If anyone out there is similarly contemplating getting legal custody of a child they think is in danger, please do it sooner rather than later. JMO

abbieAmen. Amen. Amen. Abused and neglected children have become my lifes work, way before this happened. And no, it was not because it happened to a friend or family member.....but because I saw a need and I tried to do my part.

I agree that we may make a rush to judgement in some areas but, there was enough carelessness and bad judgement here to make a saint shiver ...... and our judgement calls do not jeopardize the life of a child.

My biggest problem is the amount of children scattered around and not one resides with him.

[CrazyMoma]

Personally I do not think blaming anyone at this time, except AD & McNeill is a good idea...I know we all make mistakes in life we can never take back and this was a MAJOR error in judgment..I hate the outcome that happened..but who really ever thought this would happen to a child..not in my wildest dreams. All involved will have to live with their choices for the rest of their lives..we need not judge. MOO

[MiamiNice1]

Great post, Abbie, and I couldn't agree more.

Time for parents to step up to the plate and put their children FIRST. I don't take to being lectured when I have spent my entire life trying to PROTECT my children from harm and speaking up, making phone calls, whatever it takes when I see other children in trouble. If parents did their job I wonder how many of these horrific crimes could be avoided.

And YES, I feel bad for this family BUT we all know this would NEVER have happened IF they had been DILIGENT and put Shaniya FIRST.

It's the job parents signed up for and putting the burden on society is what's wrong here. It's a 24/7 job and you can NEVER let your guard down. I don't want to feel obligated to watch YOUR child because you won't. Unfortunately, that's the NORM now. All the REST of the "village" has to raise YOUR child. Until we DEMAND and hold parents accountable nothing will change.

Having said that.....RIP Shaniya.

You and Abbie are on a roll today - thanks for expressing my exact thoughts with words to live by - to both of you! :rose:

There are LOTS of lessons to be learned here and they sure aren't about "judging" or "caring" or looking out for someone else's child" - lecture (great description, jammies!) notwithstanding. :blink:

It is about taking responsibility AND living your life responsibly.

imo

[CrazyMoma]

Hey slaaer, glad you're back.

Looking at this from way over here....
I'm under the impression any custody was just an agreement between Shaniya's parents.
IMO I don't think any courts were involved in their decisions on who had Shaniya or when.They seem to have had an amicable thing going until this happened.

Today will be another awful day in a long line of them her family will have to endure.
My prayers to all of you for your loss.

MOO

Brad actually said yesterday on "O"..that it was an oral agreement..that said..maybe hindsite being 20/20..that should have been taken care of..but I know many families that live w/o a written court agreement. Possibly everyopne can take a lesson from this and get it all in writing

[jammies]

Re: Fathers getting custody.

We just went through a situation with our neighbors. Two children and BOTH turned out not to be the Dad's. DNA tests proved his wife got pregnant by OTHER men. Dad was working at Andrews AFB and coming home on weekends. He came home a bit earlier than expected in the wee hours of the morning and kids were home ALONE. She was off with another guy....and pregnant AGAIN.

Long story short, he got custody of BOTH children. He now has FULL custody and mommy dearest can only have supervised visits. These kids weren't even his BIOLOGICAL children.

So, it CAN be done.

[Darcy]

Personally I do not think blaming anyone at this time, except AD & McNeill is a good idea...I know we all make mistakes in life we can never take back and this was a MAJOR error in judgment..I hate the outcome that happened..but who really ever thought this would happen to a child..not in my wildest dreams. All involved will have to live with their choices for the rest of their lives..we need not judge. MOO




I agree with you CrazyMoma, it is heartbreaking for us to see this painfully unfold and the horrendous outcome. Posters on a message board move on to another equally disturbing case. Those involved have a lifetime of regret and feelings of guilt. I hope they can find some peace in there lives.

[CrazyMoma]

My oldest daughter & her ex have an oral agreement too, but my g'son has his own room in both of their houses, tons of toys both places, bikes both places, and he is w/ her m-f cos he goes to school in her district and w/e with his dad. He even has his own little dog he takes back and forth. In the summer, they let him pick who he wants to stay with, he ends up with his dad a few days then his mom a few days, its al worked out excellent for them. But they are 2 mormal and econimically stable people w/ no drug problems, babysitting issues, all of that. No extended out of town trips... Well, my sil is stable, not so sure about my daughter.


I have the same situation with my son..be it good or bad..we work together regardless..so far so good..DS ia 13..

[CrazyMoma]

I agree with you CrazyMoma, it is heartbreaking for us to see this painfully unfold and the horrendous outcome. Posters on a message board move on to another equally disturbing case. Those involved have a lifetime of regret and feelings of guilt. I hope they can find some peace in there lives.


i understand..we as poster here sometime become very over-protective..involoved..and opions are wild fire..but we do not have to live with this kind of torture..we may or may not know what they are going through..as may we have or have not been there..but EVERY situation is different...I can't point blame to any family member, as I truly believe they had no idea what was going on and they are as shocked as we all are in this istuation..who could ever even imagine such a sinerior that is building around this case,,that we would ever even consider it a possiblility in our lives. I know I never would have given this situation a thought in my wildest imagination.:crying:

[CrazyMoma]

Is there any civilized country nowadays that does NOT have the abduction/abuse/murder record the US does? If so, WHAT are THEY doing right? Maybe some people in power should make this a priority rather than some of the ridiculous BS I see on the news that our politicians are fretting over.

BBM

ITA Abbie..politics are so wasted on such trivial matters..I can not understand why the safety of a child is more important that health care...MOO!!!!!

[Annie143]

Re: Fathers getting custody.

We just went through a situation with our neighbors. Two children and BOTH turned out not to be the Dad's. DNA tests proved his wife got pregnant by OTHER men. Dad was working at Andrews AFB and coming home on weekends. He came home a bit earlier than expected in the wee hours of the morning and kids were home ALONE. She was off with another guy....and pregnant AGAIN.

Long story short, he got custody of BOTH children. He now has FULL custody and mommy dearest can only have supervised visits. These kids weren't even his BIOLOGICAL children.

So, it CAN be done. Good outcome if he truly loves these children. This can be iffy sometimes and takes a really strong, loving person to lay aside issues with the partner and think of the children.

Good luck to them!

[Annie143]

God Bless people like you who are actively helping kids. My calling was nursing, but I only had pediatric clients once or twice in 20 years...I can't bear to see a child in pain or physically challenged, my heart breaks. I have turned down many pediatric cases. I am ok w/ adults and old people tho....I can't bear to see dogs abused or hurt either. That really tears me up. I am sure you do what you can. We all have to "do what we can" with no judgement passed either way. I sometimes feel that people that say, "oh dont tell me about what happened with that child..I cant bear it...." need to buck up. If we dont bear witness to the childs agony and pain, who will ?

Lol, about the dogs. My oldest daughter has no children but her dogs are her kids and she loves All dogs. And, she wouldnt hurt a child for anything in this world....good heart but, really tender.....

God bless you.

[CrazyMoma]

Good outcome if he truly loves these children. This can be iffy sometimes and takes a really strong, loving person to lay aside issues with the partner and think of the children.

Good luck to them!


ITA..the child/children come first no matter what the feeling is for the other parent. We are in this together and the childs best interst will always be our #1

concern

Leaving for a few hours..bye y'all!

[slaaer]

About the was i active about missing children. Im active in the communities my child my niece and nephew reside in which is fayetteville. Maybe not as much as some on here. i took missing children serious before this happened to my friend. But it wasnt untill someone close pointed me to the web an i found this board an a few others that actually discussed the isssues with the system an it wasnt untill this board that i found people who actually try an make a difference. WIll i stop posting after this case is done. No i wont but because this has happened to someone i know personnaly yeah im more involved then ever. So shame on me then.An i was involved with this before she was murdered. Also i didnt mean that everyone on here is here for the wrong reason an that your new. Im just saying certain things pertain to the case an some dont.

Also as far as seeing where the child may sleep an such seeing before you let it happen. I cant say if he did or his sister did before hand. In my case i tried but it took a court order an i had time. The main thing people did miss was he didnt have LEGAL custody so thats the grey area around here. Knowing this some of you know that means at any time she coulda just came an got Shaniya an there wasnt a thing he could do as far as the law is concerned. Should he have fought for legal custody sure but thats over an done with now. Should things been different sure we can say that now,but then he was on the rd more then he was home so he went with what he knew an felt.

[Marrigan]

Abbie, there you go, reading my mind again!:wink:

One of the things that is starting to annoy me is that every family that suffers from this kind of horrible crime decides to start some kind of foundation. Instead, they should all come together as a lobbying group. Their #1 priority should be to make the murder of any child a federal crime. This is one tragic example of how our individual states can not deal with this NATIONAL problem.

For pete's sake, even the charges in Shaniya's death were held up because of county lines! This is sheer insanity.

Is there any civilized country nowadays that does NOT have the abduction/abuse/murder record the US does? If so, WHAT are THEY doing right? Maybe some people in power should make this a priority rather than some of the ridiculous BS I see on the news that our politicians are fretting over.

[moonlite]

New day, new thread.

Justice for Shaniya.

:rose:

Greetings'
FrankieBones1'

Thanks for the new thread. Hopefully' there will be Justice for Shaniya and her mother will get charged with First Degree Murder too!!

Moonlite

[forensicpsy~]

About the was i active about missing children. Im active in the communities my child my niece and nephew reside in which is fayetteville. Maybe not as much as some on here. i took missing children serious before this happened to my friend. But it wasnt untill someone close pointed me to the web an i found this board an a few others that actually discussed the isssues with the system an it wasnt untill this board that i found people who actually try an make a difference. WIll i stop posting after this case is done. No i wont but because this has happened to someone i know personnaly yeah im more involved then ever. So shame on me then.An i was involved with this before she was murdered. Also i didnt mean that everyone on here is here for the wrong reason an that your new. Im just saying certain things pertain to the case an some dont.

Also as far as seeing where the child may sleep an such seeing before you let it happen. I cant say if he did or his sister did before hand. In my case i tried but it took a court order an i had time. The main thing people did miss was he didnt have LEGAL custody so thats the grey area around here. Knowing this some of you know that means at any time she coulda just came an got Shaniya an there wasnt a thing he could do as far as the law is concerned. Should he have fought for legal custody sure but thats over an done with now. Should things been different sure we can say that now,but then he was on the rd more then he was home so he went with what he knew an felt.

Did you know about this website before all this happened? Or did you just happen to find after Shinaya went missing? :rolleyes:

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Good outcome if he truly loves these children. This can be iffy sometimes and takes a really strong, loving person to lay aside issues with the partner and think of the children.

Good luck to them!

I have seen so many once they become divorced be such a bad influence for their children. All of a sudden it seems the children are used as pawns for one ex to get back at the other ex. It becomes nothing about what is the best interest of the children. It then seems to be more about power and control.

And the poor little kids have to sit there and hear the turf wars that go back and forth instead of the parents realizing just because an ex may now detest the other one it never ever means their children do. FGS don't they realize that the person they talk so bad about or treat so mean is the father and mother the kids love no matter what? Just because the exes love for each other doesn't exist anymore never means the children won't love them both forever. Yet time and time again mothers or fathers try to drive a wedge between the child's relationship with the other parent.

It is heartbreaking how little a child's feelings aren't even considered. They just have to follow the rules of the one that has become dictator over their lives.



imo

[moonlite]

About the was i active about missing children. Im active in the communities my child my niece and nephew reside in which is fayetteville. Maybe not as much as some on here. i took missing children serious before this happened to my friend. But it wasnt untill someone close pointed me to the web an i found this board an a few others that actually discussed the isssues with the system an it wasnt untill this board that i found people who actually try an make a difference. WIll i stop posting after this case is done. No i wont but because this has happened to someone i know personnaly yeah im more involved then ever. So shame on me then.An i was involved with this before she was murdered. Also i didnt mean that everyone on here is here for the wrong reason an that your new. Im just saying certain things pertain to the case an some dont.

Also as far as seeing where the child may sleep an such seeing before you let it happen. I cant say if he did or his sister did before hand. In my case i tried but it took a court order an i had time. The main thing people did miss was he didnt have LEGAL custody so thats the grey area around here. Knowing this some of you know that means at any time she coulda just came an got Shaniya an there wasnt a thing he could do as far as the law is concerned. Should he have fought for legal custody sure but thats over an done with now. Should things been different sure we can say that now,but then he was on the rd more then he was home so he went with what he knew an felt.

Greetings'
Slaaer"

I just wanted to say welcome to the board. I think your right about the custody issue (it is and can be a gray area of law). What are your thoughts on Shaniya's mother? Do you think she deserves to be charged with First Degree Murder? Now this is just my opinion but if it was not for her (the mother) Shaniya would not be dead. I mean how can a mother do such a thing to a child? I really think LE should hold her just as accountable.IMO

Moonlite

[Donnah]

One of the things that is starting to annoy me is that every family that suffers from this kind of horrible crime decides to start some kind of foundation. Instead, they should all come together as a lobbying group. Their #1 priority should be to make the murder of any child a federal crime.

Oh, you mean like this?
http://www.spcoalition.org/bio.html

They don't agree with you on priorities, so you might want to go set them straight.

[Dunlurken]

I have a really dumb question... as I often do. Why did Shaniya suffer in the first place? Who should be held accountable? Who was responsible for Shaniya?

JMO.

[moonlite]

I have a really dumb question... as I often do. Why did Shaniya suffer in the first place? Who should be held accountable? Who was responsible for Shaniya?

JMO.

Greetings"
Dunlurken"

My opinion I think Shaniya's mother and MM. I also think BL needs to take a long hard look at his actions. I say this' because I don't think the LE will charge him with anything. But that really doesn't make him any less guilty.IMO But like others have said; BL will have to live with his own guilt. I'm not trying to bash BL either.

Moonlite

[Maranatha]

A human trafficking case has just gone to the jury here. The girls involved are also minors, but definitely not 5 y/o.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010320946_webclark20m.html

This link explains a bit more on the law:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/theblotter/2010011419_trial_begins_for_gang_member_c.html

And this explains a little bit more:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008926143_hookers25m0.html

Posting the links for some clarification for me and anyone else. While this is Washington State Law, the NC law may be similar.

I wonder how much power McNeil has over AD. She may not have felt much bond with Shaniya, and gave her away to please him or save her own self. IMO.

[mrsmcgoo]

I can understand how people are upset with Brad on here. I have questions too, but I think that what occurred was the very last thing Brad expected. It is really a whole lotta shoulda, coulda, woulda, and that applies to almost every case we see on these boards. No one expects a Mother to offer up there child this way.

I am not trying to argue or go against anyone here, I feel for all sides and opinions here. I just hope that the next Shaniya will be helped by something we learn in this case.


JMO

[GentleBreeze]

I have a really dumb question... as I often do. Why did Shaniya suffer in the first place? Who should be held accountable? Who was responsible for Shaniya?

JMO.

Legally Antoinette would be responsible for Shaniya.

imo

[Dunlurken]

If you haven't heard the evidence/charges against AD you either haven't followed this case at all or you haven't followed it closely. The links to AD's charges and to video of her court appearance are here at IS in the links thread.

AD is not a mom in any way shape or form. She gave birth to a child. She DID NOT RAISE THAT CHILD.
AD is CHARGED IN A COURT OF LAW with prostituting her child fgs.
Maybe you are not aware of what prostitution is?
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prostitution
1 : the act or practice of engaging in promiscuous sexual relations especially for money

AD gave/sold her 5 year old daughter away for SEX. She gave her daughter away to be raped, degraded, hurt, abused and eventually murdered. :cursing::cursing::cursing:
I will quote you on the hopes that will you will take my post in the way it is intended.

Here's the question. Who was resonsible for Shaniya? Brad or AD? MHO is that everyone around Shaniya failed her. That's why she is deceased.

Why was she taken there and dropped off? Did anyone bother to check out the living arrangements? Did anyone bother to check up on "HIS DAUGHTER".

[Dunlurken]

Legally Antoinette would be responsible for Shaniya.

imo

We need to get away from legalities for a minute. I'm talking morally. Maybe that's where I get confused.

[GentleBreeze]

I can understand how people are upset with Brad on here. I have questions too, but I think that what occurred was the very last thing Brad expected. It is really a whole lotta shoulda, coulda, woulda, and that applies to almost every case we see on these boards. No one expects a Mother to offer up there child this way.

I am not trying to argue or go against anyone here, I feel for all sides and opinions here. I just hope that the next Shaniya will be helped by something we learn in this case.


JMO

That's the way I see it too, MrsMC and you are right it seems in the last few years on any case that involves a child.... one or more of the family members of the victim are criticized severely. I certainly remember it happening in the Jessica Lunsford and Greone cases. It was horrible imo.

I believe that Brad loved Shaniya dearly and never in his wildest dreams would he have thought something like this would happen to his little girl. And really I have been here a very long time and I cant remember another case where a child was put into human trafficking by their mother and was murdered.

I don't think there is a human on Earth that wouldn't like to go back and rewrite a part of their history if they could. I am sure Brad will languish in guilt for the rest of his life. He will go through what he should have done but knowing it is too late to change anything.

imo

[Dustee]

If you haven't heard the evidence/charges against AD, imo, you either haven't followed this case at all or you haven't followed it closely. The links to AD's charges and to video of her court appearance are here at IS in the links thread.

AD is not a mom in any way shape or form. She gave birth to a child. She DID NOT RAISE THAT CHILD.
AD is CHARGED IN A COURT OF LAW with prostituting her child fgs.
Maybe you are not aware of what prostitution is?
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prostitution
1 : the act or practice of engaging in promiscuous sexual relations especially for money

AD gave/sold her 5 year old daughter away for SEX. She gave her daughter away to be raped, degraded, hurt, abused and eventually murdered. :cursing::cursing::cursing:

She IMHO shouldn't be mentioned in the obituary. I find that devastatingly disrespectful to Shanyia.


I've heard the charges, but haven't heard the evidence against AD. They have MM on video, plus he admitted he took Shaniya.

What exactly IS the evidence against AD?

[GentleBreeze]

We need to get away from legalities for a minute. I'm talking morally. Maybe that's where I get confused.

Oh I thought that is what you were asking. Sorry.

I really dont know. Her mother had the foremost responsibility, since she has all the rights to Shaniya and Brad had none.

Or possibly the ones that knew about the abuse they said they knew about but did not contact CPS to report it.

Maybe all of them.

imo

[moonlite]

A human trafficking case has just gone to the jury here. The girls involved are also minors, but definitely not 5 y/o.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010320946_webclark20m.html

This link explains a bit more on the law:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/theblotter/2010011419_trial_begins_for_gang_member_c.html

And this explains a little bit more:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008926143_hookers25m0.html

Posting the links for some clarification for me and anyone else. While this is Washington State Law, the NC law may be similar.

I wonder how much power McNeil has over AD. She may not have felt much bond with Shaniya, and gave her away to please him or save her own self. IMO.

Greetings'
Maranatha"

Thanks for the links. I think Shaniya's case is a wake up call for me!! I mean human trafficking is not something that just happens in a foreign country. Human trafficking is happening here in the USA and it needs more attention so others are aware.

I just keep thinking how many other children and adults this is happening too. Then I keep thinking about the children that just go missing and could this be their fate?

Moonlite

[GentleBreeze]

WHY? Explain please? She had NO legal papers saying she had custody of the child.

She is the birth mother on Shaniya's birth certificate. That gives her legal rights to Shaniya.

imo

[Dunlurken]

Dunlurken,
I agree with you and the questions you ask. IMHO, Brad was ultimately responsible for Shaniya- when she was alive -because from what I understand, she lived with him the majority of the time. He IMHO should have checked out AD, who she lived with, where she lived and the MH itself before he took his child there. HE should have made sure Shanyia was in a safe environment.

From what I've read in news links etc, BL just recently decided -almost on a whim- to let AD try raising Shaynia. Fatal mistake.

I'm curious why HE didn't come back and retrieve HIS daughter from the house of ill repute. Legally, he will not be held accountable. Morally, it's his cross to bear and HE knows it. JMO.

[Dunlurken]

She is the birth mother on Shaniya's birth certificate. That gives her legal rights to Shaniya.

imo

And "DAD" never attempted to get sole custody. Just dropped her off whenever he needed a break. And never followed up on the living arrangements, etc.

If you look at the vigil link.... he knows, morally, he's guilty of neglect. JMO.

[Mayasmimi]

WHY? Explain please? She had NO legal papers saying she had custody of the child.

Elyssa,

BL should have legitimized Shaniya and then fought for custody. I don't think he had any real rights to his child. As the person who gave birth to this precious baby, AD absolutely did.

IMO....AD was legally and morally responsible for Shaniya. BL was certainly morally responsible, but she wasn't technically his.

[Dunlurken]

I don't think so. :confused:
Of course it does. She "handed" over her child after one year to Brad. What a muther. JMO.

[GentleBreeze]

I don't think so. :confused:

You mean you don't think single moms who's names are on their child's birth certificate really don't have legal rights to their children?:confused:

imo

[GentleBreeze]

She doesn't need legal papers saying she has custody.

Her name is on the BC.
That automatically gives her legal custody unless and until changes were made in a court of law.

None were. End of story.

MOO

Thank you. I dont know why that is hard to understand.


imo

[FrankieBones1]

I've heard the charges, but haven't heard the evidence against AD. They have MM on video, plus he admitted he took Shaniya.

What exactly IS the evidence against AD?And that is the big question of the day. Did she admit to something or did Mario McNeil tell LE that she sold her daughter? As far as the obit is concerned, there's no reason to only have one in the paper. It seems that Antoinette's side of the family posted the obit. If I were Aunty Carey, I would do one, too. I think that Aunty Carey was Shaniya's main mom for the past four years.
imo

[Dustee]

Check out the links thread here at IS. What LE and the courts have allowed the GP to know -=thus far= is stated during her court appearance.
She was questioned by LE for over 4 days.They are not releasing what she said.


Maybe a thread should be started for those who support AD.

I never said I was supporting AD. But I would like to know what evidence they have. Like you said, they've not released anything to the public. I've watch her court appearance, and it proves nothing.
They read her charges, and that is pretty much it.

[GentleBreeze]

And "DAD" never attempted to get sole custody. Just dropped her off whenever he needed a break. And never followed up on the living arrangements, etc.

If you look at the vigil link.... he knows, morally, he's guilty of neglect. JMO.

I don't think anyone has to tell Brad about having guilt. He has guilt. He has said so and regrets.

[mrsmcgoo]

Gentlebreeze and Xenam, I agree!

I was running through the different cases on the board even today trying to see how the blame can be put on the primary care giver. Each one can be applied in some way. Whether it be a grandparent that didn't act on custody, or parents that allowed their young daughter to go to a neighbors house where the accused wrote about killing on facebook. No one expects these things.

One thing I can say with confidence is that CPS needs more workers! They need enough well educated workers who can follow up and MAKE sure that children are protected and living in proper conditions. I also think that schools need to work with them to achieve this and until that all happens, these cases will happen.

JMO

[FrankieBones1]

And "DAD" never attempted to get sole custody. Just dropped her off whenever he needed a break. And never followed up on the living arrangements, etc.

If you look at the vigil link.... he knows, morally, he's guilty of neglect. JMO.

In the four years that he had her for the most part maybe he never thought that Antoinette would want her back. Hindsight is twenty twenty.

[5boxersmom]

Myasmimi/GB: Legally as you say Shaniya was AD's sole responsibility. She could have kept Shaniya after visitations and it would have been up to the dad to go to court to seek custody or joint arrangements. Had this gone to court investigations would have been done on both parents.

Hopefully this will be a lesson to all parents, even those who are great parents, to have custody arrangements via the courts.

Yes, maybe right now there is parents out there getting everything legal because of Shaniya. Shaniya may have saved many children's lives.

Wonder how long AD would go without seeing Shaniya after she gave her to Brad? He probably could have went to court and got Shaniya on abandoment.

jmo

[GentleBreeze]

Myasmimi/GB: Legally as you say Shaniya was AD's sole responsibility. She could have kept Shaniya after visitations and it would have been up to the dad to go to court to seek custody or joint arrangements. Had this gone to court investigations would have been done on both parents.

Hopefully this will be a lesson to all parents, even those who are great parents, to have custody arrangements via the courts.

Exactly and who is to say they would have even taken Shaniya away if AD had her. AD has no criminal past whatsoever.

imo

[Mayasmimi]

My son was born out of wedlock, though his Dad and I were in a real relationship. Dad's name was on the BC and he signed the BC. Dad was planning to work in another state and had papers drawn up to have our son legitimized. I didn't sign them for fear that he'd take my baby away. We later married...happy ending.

Maybe BL did try, but AD refused.

ETA....Our son came home from the hospital with his Dad's last name.

[Dustee]

And that is the big question of the day. Did she admit to something or did Mario McNeil tell LE that she sold her daughter? As far as the obit is concerned, there's no reason to only have one in the paper. It seems that Antoinette's side of the family posted the obit. If I were Aunty Carey, I would do one, too. I think that Aunty Carey was Shaniya's main mom for the past four years.
imo

What makes you think AD'[s family posted the obit? Usually the obit is released by the funeral home. Since Brad's friend started the fund to raise funds for the funeral, I would assume he is the contact, or perhaps there is a joint effort between the families.

[Breakingnews]

The baby momma in FL is 25 years old too. Guess he likes them young. Fogle is her ex-husband's last name.

[Mayasmimi]

Hi mimi.
He definitely should have fought for her. Looks like no one wanted legal custody of her.
Since she lived most of her life with her dad, he should have been responsible for her imo.
Would a court of law see it that way too? :confused:

Don't know Elyssa. As Slaaer said earlier it is his opinion that custody almost always goes to the Mom there. Doesn't make it right, though.

I just viewed the obituary. Shaniya had a brother named Joe Davis living in Fayetteville. Did BL and AD have two children together?

[Dustee]

Yes Dustee - even if the funeral home released it; someone had to write it.
Here's a thought. Maybe Aunt Carey wrote it and forgot to include herself. I can definitely see this happening; name everyone but yourself.

Frankie -- what makes you think AD's family wrote the obit? Not disputing that - just asking as I believe it is BL's/family that made the funeral arrangements

Or, since the families say they don't know each other all that well, someone from each family submitted names, and it just didn't get combined properly.

I hate that Carey got omitted, but I'm not sure it was intentional.

[mrsmcgoo]

Don't know Elyssa. As Slaaer said earlier it is his opinion that custody almost always goes to the Mom there. Doesn't make it right, though.

I just viewed the obituary. Shaniya had a brother named Joe Davis living in Fayetteville. Did BL and AD have two children together?

Joe Davis must be the 7 year old. Not sure who his father is, but I don't think it was Brad.

I noticed yesterday that the younger sister of AD that spoke out at the vigil has a different last name than AD. It was Miles or Myles. Not sure if AD was ever married, or if the two older sisters had different fathers than the younger sibling.

JMO

[FrankieBones1]

What makes you think AD'[s family posted the obit? Usually the obit is released by the funeral home. Since Brad's friend started the fund to raise funds for the funeral, I would assume he is the contact, or perhaps there is a joint effort between the families.

Our funeral home wouldn't know who is who in my family and that is why we do our own obits for our loved ones.

[FrankieBones1]

Yes Dustee - even if the funeral home released it; someone had to write it.
Here's a thought. Maybe Aunt Carey wrote it and forgot to include herself. I can definitely see this happening; name everyone but yourself.

Frankie -- what makes you think AD's family wrote the obit? Not disputing that - just asking as I believe it is BL's/family that made the funeral arrangements


The way it works here is that we find out what the arrangement are then call the paper to have the paper put an obit in for us. We write up the obit plus the viewing times and the date of the burial and the paper prints it for us.

The reason I thought that AD's family wrote it was because Carie was omitted.

Sorry if I offended anyone. Didn't mean to.

[FrankieBones1]

Brad Lockhart/family made the funeral arrangements.

Thanks, I haven't read the obit yet but only read here that Carey was omitted and that Antoinette was included.

[Mayasmimi]

Joe Davis must be the 7 year old. Not sure who his father is, but I don't think it was Brad.

I noticed yesterday that the younger sister of AD that spoke out at the vigil has a different last name than AD. It was Miles or Myles. Not sure if AD was ever married, or if the two older sisters had different fathers than the younger sibling.

JMO

Thanks for the reply. Yeah, I realized it was a stupid question after it was too late to edit it out.

I assumed that BD and AD shared the same Father. Why was the younger sister (from the candlelight service) not mentioned? Wow, lot's of folks in these families.

[Dustee]

Our funeral home wouldn't know who is who in my family and that is why we do our own obits for our loved ones.

The funerals homes I've dealt with will get the information from whoever is making arrangements and submit it to whatever newspapers they request. They usually have the obit info in a "program" or bulletin that's handed out at the visitation and funeral.

[jammies]

Tyrongella DAVIS is Brad's fiancee?

DAVIS?


My head is spinning.

[Breakingnews]

Tyrongella DAVIS is Brad's fiancee?

DAVIS?


My head is spinning.

LOL, She was married to a Davis, she's divorced. So she's not really a Davis.

Here's the FL baby momma. Brad's on her facebook. She's in the military, so that must have been how he met her.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Victoria-Mitchner/100000055561722

[Breakingnews]

Nosey question, TRYONGELLA , what nationality is she? That sounds like an African American name.

http://www.myspace.com/tyrongella_nekia

[just42day97]

Tyrongella DAVIS is Brad's fiancee?

DAVIS?


My head is spinning.

OMG I was about to post the same thing!!!!!!

[Breakingnews]

I think Im confused. Is this woman his new fiance'?

That's the one that Tim Allen called TY and disappeared. Yes at one time it looks like her and Brad were going to be married.

[slaaer]

Ty is a ex of his. From what i remember she wanted to get married but there were issues there. One of them had to do with him being here in fay permanent of course his job wouldnt allow that or he wouldve been here from the get go. Also as far as him checking on her while she was staying with her mother he really couldnt cuz he was gone the entire time of her being there. The person who dropped her off an other family members should have been checking up on her.

Using myself as a example for this: In the state of Nc i could not be put on my Daughters BC because at the time my Ex was still legally married to her ex husband even tho they were seperated for 5 years.<Military law an civil law since he was out of country> By law my daughter was suppose to get her married last name an exhusband was to be put on the BC. She left it blank an gave my daughter her maiden name. It was alot of paper work to sign off on to make that happen. After me an her mother split i had to file at court for visitation an custody rights. Of course that required a DNA test that my lawyer requested. It took a lawyer to even get this rolling here. Court would not see me untill i had a lawyer.ill finish this later.

[Mayasmimi]

Nosey question, TRYONGELLA , what nationality is she? That sounds like an African American name. She was married before to someone in D family?!?

I believe Slaaer said that at the first PC Carey was standing to Brad's right and Brad's fiancee to the left. She didn't look African Amerian to me. She also appeared to be pretty young. I assumed she was his niece.

[GentleBreeze]

I'm not playing games with you about this. We are not discussing all single mothers. :bored:

I am not trying to play games Elyssa. You don't have to be so testy. Yes, technically we are dealing with a single mother here.

imo

[slaaer]

I believe Slaaer said that at the first PC Carey was standing to Brad's right and Brad's fiancee to the left. She didn't look African Amerian to me. She also appeared to be pretty young. I assumed she was his niece.

Correct the first PC that was his sister an Fiance with him. Her age i dunno but makeup does wonders for people.Not saying shes hiding anything but she could older then what she looks.

[5boxersmom]

Ty is a ex of his. From what i remember she wanted to get married but there were issues there. One of them had to do with him being here in fay permanent of course his job wouldnt allow that or he wouldve been here from the get go. Also as far as him checking on her while she was staying with her mother he really couldnt cuz he was gone the entire time of her being there. The person who dropped her off an other family members should have been checking up on her.
Using myself as a example for this: In the state of Nc i could not be put on my Daughters BC because at the time my Ex was still legally married to her ex husband even tho they were seperated for 5 years.<Military law an civil law since he was out of country> By law my daughter was suppose to get her married last name an exhusband was to be put on the BC. She left it blank an gave my daughter her maiden name. It was alot of paper work to sign off on to make that happen. After me an her mother split i had to file at court for visitation an custody rights. Of course that required a DNA test that my lawyer requested. It took a lawyer to even get this rolling here. Court would not see me untill i had a lawyer.ill finish this later.

BBM

Really? They had no legal right to go over there or to do anything. What could they have done? Did Brad ever call Shaniya while she was there?

jmo

[slaaer]

True boxer, I dont know if any of them ever called or checked up on her.

[Mayasmimi]

Correct the first PC that was his sister an Fiance with him. Her age i dunno but makeup does wonders for people.Not saying shes hiding anything but she could older then what she looks.

Thanks Slaeer.

[Dunlurken]

How many children does Brad have? 6 by three different women?

JMO.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Ty is a ex of his. From what i remember she wanted to get married but there were issues there. One of them had to do with him being here in fay permanent of course his job wouldnt allow that or he wouldve been here from the get go. Also as far as him checking on her while she was staying with her mother he really couldnt cuz he was gone the entire time of her being there. The person who dropped her off an other family members should have been checking up on her.

Using myself as a example for this: In the state of Nc i could not be put on my Daughters BC because at the time my Ex was still legally married to her ex husband even tho they were seperated for 5 years.<Military law an civil law since he was out of country> By law my daughter was suppose to get her married last name an exhusband was to be put on the BC. She left it blank an gave my daughter her maiden name. It was alot of paper work to sign off on to make that happen. After me an her mother split i had to file at court for visitation an custody rights. Of course that required a DNA test that my lawyer requested. It took a lawyer to even get this rolling here. Court would not see me untill i had a lawyer.ill finish this later.

Thanks, slaaer.
Can you clear up the woman who was with Brad and Carey at the first presser at the police station? Is that his current fiancee?

Not asking her name, just confirmation if she's the fiancee?

[Mayasmimi]

How many children does Brad have? 6 by three different women?

JMO.

I counted six siblings in the obit, but seems Joe Davis was AD's child by another man. That leaves 5 siblings. Anyone know if they were all fathered by BL?

[Mayasmimi]

Thanks, slaaer.
Can you clear up the woman who was with Brad and Carey at the first presser at the police station? Is that his current fiancee?

Not asking her name, just confirmation if she's the fiancee?

He confirmed that a few posts up.

[Breakingnews]

How many children does Brad have? 6 by three different women?

JMO.

Three different mothers. I don't think we're sure if Michelle & Byron Coleman are his bio children.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Am I way off base, or does Brad seem to be more a ladies man and not so much a father?

[Mayasmimi]

Three different mothers. I don't think we're sure if Michelle & Byron Coleman are his bio children.

I read somewhere that Michelle was fathered by another man. I do believe Byron is BL's biological child.

[slaaer]

The amount he has is up in the wind,reason being is the one in florida was brought up in a convo an was said not to be his.So total not a definite answer for yall there.

[Breakingnews]

I read somewhere that Michelle was fathered by another man. I do believe Byron is BL's biological child.

So we have:
3-Vickie
1-AD
1-Victoria

[KatieLady]

What makes you think AD'[s family posted the obit? Usually the obit is released by the funeral home. Since Brad's friend started the fund to raise funds for the funeral, I would assume he is the contact, or perhaps there is a joint effort between the families.

IMO it was written by AD's side of the family because of all the Davis family info. Many more relatives sighted on AD's side than Brad's side of the family....and how would Brad know all of those people? They (AD and Brad) didn't have a relationship....he barely knew her or her family...I suspect

[slaaer]

Dunno if i would say ladies man but him gone more then he was home i seen that as one of the major issues with the ex GFs

[Breakingnews]

The amount he has is up in the wind,reason being is the one in florida was brought up in a convo an was said not to be his.So total not a definite answer for yall there.

What do you mean? State of Fl went after him for child support in 2008.

[Mayasmimi]

Am I way off base, or does Brad seem to be more a ladies man and not so much a father?

I googled Tyrongella Davis and found a wedding date listed for her and Bradley Lockhart, in NC, set for April 2010.

http://registry.weddingchannel.com/cs/searchresults.action?rfn=bradley&rln=lockhart&em=-1&ey=-1&submit.x=0&submit.y=0

[slaaer]

Cuz i wanna say there were 2 in florida an one was not his or he had one an a recent DNa test proved it wasnt.

[Dunlurken]

Am I way off base, or does Brad seem to be more a ladies man and not so much a father?

You got it! That's why Aunt Carey was "supposedly" raising Shaniya. JMO.

[sunstar]

To add one more thing to my excellent post above (hahaha) as a normal person, bfore I sent a child to live elsewhere, I would have not only checked out the trailer but would have insisted on seeing the place my child was going to be sleeping, how much food was in the house on a few different visits, he could have investiagated her criminal background for arrests he might have never known about, called the school she was currently attending, called the school she would be attending once she moved in w/ om, even gone to meet the teacher to make her aware that the kid was changing living arrangements (teachers need to know stuff like this so they can pick up on potential behavioral or other problems the child might develop),and on and on and on......
Amen, Abbie! I hope this case will be an example for other parents what they should do that could prevent another innocent child being gone, like Shaniya. MOO

[Mayasmimi]

So we have:
3-Vickie
1-AD
1-Victoria

I guess Michelle would be a stepsister, once removed. Something like that.

[KatieLady]

Cuz i wanna say there were 2 in florida an one was not his or he had one an a recent DNa test proved it wasnt.

Hi slaaer...just wanted to say welcome back and thanks for answering our questions. :seeya:

[AmndaRcknwth]

Cuz i wanna say there were 2 in florida an one was not his or he had one an a recent DNa test proved it wasnt.

FGS... has no one schooled this man on birth control? He sent all his children out to be taken care of.

[sunstar]

I googled Tyrongella Davis and found a wedding date listed for her and Bradley Lockhart, in NC, set for April 2010.

http://registry.weddingchannel.com/cs/searchresults.action?rfn=bradley&rln=lockhart&em=-1&ey=-1&submit.x=0&submit.y=0

The fiancee's last name is also Davis? :confused:

[KatieLady]

FGS... has no one schooled this man on birth control? He sent all his children out to be taken care of.

Hi Amnda...not sure that is correct. Wasn't there a custody suit filed and the court awarded custody to the grandparents???

[Mayasmimi]

The fiancee's last name is also Davis? :confused:

Yeah weird huh?

Slaeer explained that this is a former fiance. Looks like he found himself a new one right quick.

My head hurts.

[KatieLady]

The fiancee's last name is also Davis? :confused:

As is the Reverend conducting the service for Shaniya. Wonder if he is related?

[Breakingnews]

Yeah weird huh?

Slaeer explained that this is a former fiance. Looks like he found himself a new one right quick.

My head hurts.

Wonder when she'll get pregnant, if she sticks around long enough for that to happen.

[slaaer]

new fiance quick no. yall been doing some background checks so heres a timeline. The new fiance an brad been working together an been together for alomost 8 months.

[slaaer]

No i wasnt on tv.

[Dunlurken]

How many times has he actually been married? Brad. JMO.

We may be a bit o/t, but IMO, it is related to Shaniya's demise.

[Mayasmimi]

new fiance quick no. yall been doing some background checks so heres a timeline. The new fiance an brad been working together an been together for alomost 8 months.

Sorry. Just meant that he has a new fiance before the the wedding was to have taken place with the old fiance.

We are a curious bunch.

[baywench]

IMHO, after reading info included in the obit, you aren't way off base.

You're still here...Yeah! OK I am probably gonna get yelled at for this but Brad is not a good father just because he didn't completely deny his children. There is much more to being a Dad than that. Like I said, this story is hinky and there so much more to it..AD's name on the obit? OBSCENE jmo

[KatieLady]

McNeill's girlfriend April Autry said "it's tough" and she's "hanging in there." She said the two share a child and have another on the way.

Marcus Haire said the couple was living in one of the vacant homes he owns on a Fayetteville street. He said McNeill burned down another of his homes in the past but it's hard to believe what he is accused of now.

http://news.mync.com/site/news/story/44291/amber-alert-authorities-search-for-missing-5-year-old-girl/

Oh geeezzzzzz

[slaaer]

I only know of him being married one time. I know everyones curious im not agreeing with everything i seen him do an such. But for the conditions an such i think he did the best he knew how to do.Also the ex gf in florida prolly seen Shaniya more then anyone else since she was the one living in his house from the get go.

[annalyzer]

FGS... has no one schooled this man on birth control? He sent all his children out to be taken care of.

that goes two ways.....

[Dustee]

IMO it was written by AD's side of the family because of all the Davis family info. Many more relatives sighted on AD's side than Brad's side of the family....and how would Brad know all of those people? They (AD and Brad) didn't have a relationship....he barely knew her or her family...I suspect

How would AD's family know Brad's parents? IMO the obituary was a joint effort.

[annalyzer]

McNeill's girlfriend April Autry said "it's tough" and she's "hanging in there." She said the two share a child and have another on the way.

Marcus Haire said the couple was living in one of the vacant homes he owns on a Fayetteville street. He said McNeill burned down another of his homes in the past but it's hard to believe what he is accused of now.

http://news.mync.com/site/news/story/44291/amber-alert-authorities-search-for-missing-5-year-old-girl/

Oh geeezzzzzz

Did she not see the photos of him carrying Shaniya? :thumbdown:

[KatieLady]

How would AD's family know Brad's parents? IMO the obituary was a joint effort.

Probably so....each side had to get the info from somewhere. I just don't think it was Brad who wrote it. Only my opinion tho.....nothing to back it up

[Leanne Weich]

All 3 of my grown children and myself have a bad tender spot for dogs. My parents allowed me to bring home injured animals and I had any animal prtty much I wanted- dog, lizards, snakes, even a squirrell I raised from pinkiehood, that fell out of a nest. I spanked my kids when I was rising them but cannot bear to see any of my grandkids smacked (on the butt, with a hand) Nobody being beaten and the smacks are few and fa r between. I have a few relatives that raised their kids with a no spanking no harsh words frame of mind, the kids ended up running the house if u know what I mean, brats to their cores, and you can barely stand to be around them.
My parents spanked us, too.


eta: some people cannot be the 'spanking' type, because they get out of hand and a spanking becomes a beating... all JMO I know some people here cannot abide spanking in any form

Abbie, I subscribed to the spanking policy you did too and, fortunately, have 3 well adjusted, productive daughters to show for it. My g/kids also get the occasional smack on the butt and are both top of their class at school and everyone comments on their impeccable behaviour and manners.

I can't believe what I see sometimes with kids that totally control how, what and when their parents do something because they're so spoiled and used to getting their own way.

[Mayasmimi]

I only know of him being married one time. I know everyones curious im not agreeing with everything i seen him do an such. But for the conditions an such i think he did the best he knew how to do.Also the ex gf in florida prolly seen Shaniya more then anyone else since she was the one living in his house from the get go.

Seems you've been a good friend to BL. I, for one, appreciate the fact that you don't necessarily agree with everything he's done. I know I made my fair share if parenting mistakes.

I don't understand how he could have let this happen.

[baywench]

Did she not see the photos of him carrying Shaniya? :thumbdown:

Exactly what in Autry's eyes would make a bad boyfriend????? It's tough my a*s. His circle knew what he was about. He didn't just all of a sudden become a horrible person. He morphed. jmo

[Breakingnews]

McNeill's girlfriend April Autry said "it's tough" and she's "hanging in there." She said the two share a child and have another on the way.

Marcus Haire said the couple was living in one of the vacant homes he owns on a Fayetteville street. He said McNeill burned down another of his homes in the past but it's hard to believe what he is accused of now.

http://news.mync.com/site/news/story/44291/amber-alert-authorities-search-for-missing-5-year-old-girl/

Oh geeezzzzzz

It's unbelievable how many stupid there are in this world. If someone burnt down one of my homes they'd be in jail for arson, not living in another home I owned.

[slaaer]

I'm still here ....:wub: :laugh:

He wasn't a good father. I bet he loved Shanyia but he wasn't like the PTA dad or the room mother dad, etc. He wasn't around her enough to be a good dad. Ill agree an disagree.the times he was around her he was a good dad.But yes he wasnt around much but when he was he spent time with kids since he wasnt working mini vacation you could say.
Like someone mentioned above, a good dad would have checked out where his precious little 5 year old was going. He didn't really know AD that well.
just an FYI, when my children were little, I never let them spend the night with anyone until I visited the home, met the parents and had the other child at our home first. Over protective...bet you butt. All my kids are thankfully alive and well adjusted teens and grownups.Guess this would be a reason why girl scouts an cub scouts kinna died out.
Hmmmmmm ok

[KatieLady]

It's unbelievable how many stupid there are in this world. If someone burnt down one of my homes they'd be in jail for arson, not living in another home I owned.

Amazing isn't it? He doesn't say he accidentally burned in down either :rolleyes:

[baywench]

It's unbelievable how many stupid there are in this world. If someone burnt down one of my homes they'd be in jail for arson, not living in another home I owned.

And another thing from that article regarding Shaniya's grandmother saying her daughter took good care of her children....WHAT? Did you ever go over to her house? What is your idea of a clean place? Geesh, I have never seen so many adults spinning lies around the murder of a children. jmo

[slaaer]

Ok who all in here is military with a spouse deployed?

[KatieLady]

Just curious. Did you ever put your child in a situation where she could be raped and murdered? Please don't take offense at my post. JMO.

Really Dunnie IMO that is not a fair question. How many kids have been molested/killed by a trusted Father, Grandfather, Uncle, neighbor,Mother etc?

[5boxersmom]

Amen, HE just up and become a murdering pedophile either. :cursing:

Yep, I would bet there is more victims of his.

jmo

[Mayasmimi]

Just curious. Did you ever put your child in a situation where she could be raped and murdered? Please don't take offense at my post. JMO.

No offense taken, and I edited my post.

Actually, I am proud to say that my children are alive and well. Mine were rarely out my site unless at school....until 10 or so.

[sunstar]

In the four years that he had her for the most part maybe he never thought that Antoinette would want her back. Hindsight is twenty twenty.

I think this is probably the closest to the truth. :sad: MOO

[Dunlurken]

Ok who all in here is military with a spouse deployed?

Is that important to this case? If not, delete your post. JMO.

[KatieLady]

And another thing from that article regarding Shaniya's grandmother saying her daughter took good care of her children....WHAT? Did you ever go over to her house? What is your idea of a clean place? Geesh, I have never seen so many adults spinning lies around the murder of a children. jmo

I still want to know how long AD lived there? The park owner said she never saw Shaniya there....ever. Had they just moved in....days before?

[aproudmom]

Frankie as far as Nc is concerned the mother usually wins in any kinna custody battle. It takes a extremes to make a judge side for fathers.

I said this before her body was ever found and it is so true

[baywench]

Hmmmmmm ok


Highlighting already huh? Wow you are really getting the hang of the boards fast.

[baywench]

I still want to know how long AD lived there? The park owner said she never saw Shaniya there....ever. Had they just moved in....days before?


I don't put alot of stock in what the park owner says. She's is cya big time. I got the impression (and I can't remember where) that they had been there at least a month. jmo

[Dunlurken]

I still want to know how long AD lived there? The park owner said she never saw Shaniya there....ever. Had they just moved in....days before?

Aunt Carey says she was dropped off at "mommy's" house many times. don't know exactly where mommy was living until the end. JMO. Brenda Davis, AD's sister had the so-called "lease" and was getting evicted. jmo

[aproudmom]

Just a friendly reminder to light a candle for Shaniya at gratefuleness.org......http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=snd

:rose:

Thank you tootie I hope more go and light one for her.

she only has Group *snd* has 15 candles from 1 countries.:sad:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=snd

[sunstar]

McNeill's girlfriend April Autry said "it's tough" and she's "hanging in there." She said the two share a child and have another on the way.

Marcus Haire said the couple was living in one of the vacant homes he owns on a Fayetteville street. He said McNeill burned down another of his homes in the past but it's hard to believe what he is accused of now.

http://news.mync.com/site/news/story/44291/amber-alert-authorities-search-for-missing-5-year-old-girl/

Oh geeezzzzzz

I'm curious how McNeill burned down the house ~ deliberately or manufacturing meth or something? :shrug: MOO

[slaaer]

ill add to it then

[KatieLady]

Aunt Carey says she was dropped off at "mommy's" house many times. don't know exactly where mommy was living until the end. JMO. Brenda Davis, AD's sister had the so-called "lease" and was getting evicted. jmo

That is why I am asking Dunnie. BL said that AD had "gotten her own place" and that is one of the reasons he agreed to letting her have her. So did the Aunt ever even see the MH or did she pick her up someplace else on those weekends? If so....how would anyone know what the MH looked like?

[slaaer]

Highlighting already huh? Wow you are really getting the hang of the boards fast.

took me 15 mins to figure it out.

[sunstar]

Thank you tootie I hope more go and light one for her.

she only has Group *snd* has 15 candles from 1 countries.:sad:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=snd

Mine is lit. :rose:

[Dunlurken]

That is why I am asking Dunnie. BL said that AD had "gotten her own place" and that is one of the reasons he agreed to letting her have her. So did the Aunt ever even see the MH or did she pick her up someplace else on those weekends? If so....how would anyone know what the MH looked like?

Very odd that you would just drop a child off in a "bad neighborhood" without going inside. It's probably just me. and JMO. :confused:

[slaaer]

Well i cant find where you edit post. So i guess trying to explain that would be pointless now. What im trying to figure out is what makes a good father to you may not be to me.

[aproudmom]

Aunt Carey says she was dropped off at "mommy's" house many times. don't know exactly where mommy was living until the end. JMO. Brenda Davis, AD's sister had the so-called "lease" and was getting evicted. jmo

wasn't she living in motels and family and friends places until just a few weeks ago and that was why they thought she had her own place because she had been staying with her sister at the trailer.
a lease is usually 6 months to a year around here, to me it sounded like she just stayed here and there until several weeks ago. no link so JMO

[KatieLady]

Very odd that you would just drop a child off in a "bad neighborhood" without going inside. It's probably just me. and JMO. :confused:

That is what I am getting at....we have no idea if that is where the Aunt dropped her off. It has never been said

[KatieLady]

Well i cant find where you edit post. So i guess trying to explain that would be pointless now. What im trying to figure out is what makes a good father to you may not be to me.

You only have 5 minutes to edit (I think) after that time the edit button disappears from your post.

slaaer...do you know if it was the motor home where the Aunt dropped Shaniya off???

[baywench]

took me 15 mins to figure it out.

How far did AD live from Aunt? Was it a long drive? Did Aunt Carey confront AD about the burns and her concerns about Shaniya and that is why AD said she would never see her again? jmo

[Breakingnews]

Aunt Carey says she was dropped off at "mommy's" house many times. don't know exactly where mommy was living until the end. JMO. Brenda Davis, AD's sister had the so-called "lease" and was getting evicted. jmo

Take your pick from the different stories.

Fay Observer
Davis had been living at a house on Wall Street, according to Cromartie, and then lived in different motels until moving in her with her sister, Barbara Davis, at the Sleepy Hollow Mobile Home Park.

WRAL
A search of court records turned up no previous criminal charges against Davis, but she lived at a home on Wall Street in July that police raided. Officers found "narcotics manufacturing materials" in the house, but no one was charged, according to an incident report.

Neighbors said McNeill was frequently seen with Davis on Mary Street, where Davis lived with her mother before moving to Sleepy Hollow Drive.

[Mayasmimi]

That is what I am getting at....we have no idea if that is where the Aunt dropped her off. It has never been said

Will be interested to hear about that. If BL and no real legal right to Shaniya, the aunt certainly didn't. My guess is that if aunt did drop the baby off at the trailer, AD was not obligated to let the aunt inside.

[Dunlurken]

That is what I am getting at....we have no idea if that is where the Aunt dropped her off. It has never been said

Well, that's what she says... Aunt Carey. She packed up 2 days worth of clothing, dropped Shaniya there and Shaniya said.... I Love you Aunt Carey. See you soon. :confused: And Shaniya was raped and murdered. I can't put my arms around it so I will log off. JMO.

[KatieLady]

Will be interested to hear about that. If BL and no real legal right to Shaniya, the aunt certainly didn't. My guess is that if aunt did drop the baby off at the trailer, AD was not obligated to let the aunt inside.

Nope....I wouldn't think so

[slaaer]

Ok what it has to do with isthey are not around. So they dont know the everyday life of you or your child. They have to take what your saying for word. No im not saying your gonna lie. But considering he was overseas for her first years. then came back to only be gone 2-3 months at a time an then be home for a week or 2 u lose connection each time you leave. So each time you leave you get further an further apart. Yes many make it thru cuz there is a end to it at some point. then there are others that never make it an jus plain seperate. I only brought this up cuz im in a military town from a military family an see how this thing breaks things up between parents an children an so forth. Only reason i used military cuz of the deployments was the easiest to compare it to plus he was was overseas also.

[KatieLady]

Well, that's what she says... Aunt Carey. She packed up 2 days worth of clothing, dropped Shaniya there and Shaniya said.... I Love you Aunt Carey. See you soon. :confused: And Shaniya was raped and murdered. I can't put my arms around it so I will log off. JMO.

I never saw where she said "there". All she says is at AD's. But where was that?? Was it the MH or someplace else "of her own" that BL talked about?

[sunstar]

Will be interested to hear about that. If BL and no real legal right to Shaniya, the aunt certainly didn't. My guess is that if aunt did drop the baby off at the trailer, AD was not obligated to let the aunt inside.

I'm still at a loss as to why not custody agreement was ever made ~ for this very reason. It seems AD had the right to keep Shaniya wherever she wanted to and no one else could say a thing. MOO

[Dunlurken]

Can we please not call Shaniya a "baby". She was a "big girl". She was 5. JMO.

[KatieLady]

I'm still at a loss as to why not custody agreement was ever made ~ for this very reason. It seems AD had the right to keep Shaniya wherever she wanted to and no one else could say a thing. MOO

Just a guess...but I suppose because it had never been an issue before??

[jammies]

Well, that's what she says... Aunt Carey. She packed up 2 days worth of clothing, dropped Shaniya there and Shaniya said.... I Love you Aunt Carey. See you soon. :confused: And Shaniya was raped and murdered. I can't put my arms around it so I will log off. JMO.


I think you are in the majority here, Dunnie. :crying:

[KatieLady]

Can we please not call Shaniya a "baby". She was a "big girl". She was 5. JMO.

My son is 35 and still my "baby" :tonguewag:

[Darcy]

Is that important to this case? If not, delete your post. JMO.


Probably more relevant than you question asking of another poster 'have you ever put your child in a situation where she could be raped or murdered?'

[slaaer]

Dunno where she was dropped off.

[KatieLady]

Dunno where she was dropped off.

Thanks slaaer. I am going to reserve judgment until some of these questions are answered for me.

[slaaer]

Custody was never a issue before an to bring up the other 3 kids from the first marriage well i think you can figure that out for yourself.

[jammies]

Dunno where she was dropped off.


How did you come to know BL, slaaer? How long have you been acquainted?

[jammies]

Just a question about Cheyenne.

If her grandparents had custody then how could Brad have kicked her out?
How did she end up at this guy's house?


Anyone know?

[Dustee]

I still want to know how long AD lived there? The park owner said she never saw Shaniya there....ever. Had they just moved in....days before?

Ms. Davenport isn't he park owner, she's the manager. I doubt she knows everything that goes on in the park, nor do I think she's there enough to see much of anything. I have a friend who manages mobile home parks. She has an off-site office and the tenants go there to pay rent, or mail it in. She drives through periodically, but she's not there 24X7. Other neighbors said they had seen Shaniya playing.

[slaaer]

Total of 5-6 years now. He was renting at one time in the neighborhood my parents reside in. then while he was overseas i was building a car he bought from another friend. So once he stepped foot here we hung out i worked on his cars an we rode motorcycles together.

[KatieLady]

Just a question about Cheyenne.

If her grandparents had custody then how could Brad have kicked her out?
How did she end up at this guy's house?


Anyone know?

Maybe the GP's let her go back to live with her Dad? Maybe the GP"s were having problems with her also?

[slaaer]

I can see your comparison, but when there's kids involved there is a care plan and most parents know exactly who has their kids and where they are being taken care of. Seems like Brad let Shaniya go to a place even he was unfamiliar with. No offense meant, but I don't think he knew...In my case I'm married so when a deployment comes up-there are no custody issues here. As parents we have to plan and put our children first. Before anything, including money, work, and spouses. If my husband was not 100% sure his family would be taken care of, I'm sure he'd do all he could to avoid/delay/fix it before the deployment. IMO

Your right but it was the only thing i could copare it with.Not many people understand the dealings with when a person becomes deployed an how they act when they come home.

[jammies]

Total of 5-6 years now. He was renting at one time in the neighborhood my parents reside in. then while he was overseas i was building a car he bought from another friend. So once he stepped foot here we hung out i worked on his cars an we rode motorcycles together.

TY, slaaer.

[slaaer]

All his kids have lived in the house he resides at now. Wether it be 2 weeks 6 months 2 years.

[KatieLady]

Ms. Davenport isn't he park owner, she's the manager. I doubt she knows everything that goes on in the park, nor do I think she's there enough to see much of anything. I have a friend who manages mobile home parks. She has an off-site office and the tenants go there to pay rent, or mail it in. She drives through periodically, but she's not there 24X7. Other neighbors said they had seen Shaniya playing.

Thank you for the correction...my mistake. However from the way she talked it sounded to me like she lives there. Said she is right across the street IIRC.

I could be wrong but that is how it sounded to me IMO

[jammies]

Maybe the GP's let her go back to live with her Dad? Maybe the GP"s were having problems with her also?

Very well could be, KL

[slaaer]

The new women as you say works with him in the different states. I believe this tragedy is the first time any of his friends an kids ever met her. An yes she did break the mold it actually shocked me.

[sunstar]

Just a guess...but I suppose because it had never been an issue before??

Oh I agree, but a lesson to be learned from this ~ make arrangements. MOO

[KatieLady]

Oh I agree, but a lesson to be learned from this ~ make arrangements. MOO

For sure sunstar....for sure!

[jammies]

So the lady who had Shaniya in FL is only 25/26 years old...I'm wayyy curious about this "new" fiance, she broke the mold for the women we knew Brad to be previously involved with...Something still makes me question if she is part of the reason Shaniya had to go. I'm just speculating this is JMO....


The friend of Brad's made it sound like "Ty" had just recently left his home, iirc. If so, wow!

[Mayasmimi]

My Dad was in the military and I grew up near Ft. Benning. I can say that Dad's deployments (Vietnam) did break up our family. Afterwards, he didn't seem to have a deep connection with my brothers and me and well into adulthood we rarely saw him. Thankfully we had a good Mom.

[Breakingnews]

So the lady who had Shaniya in FL is only 25/26 years old...I'm wayyy curious about this "new" fiance, she broke the mold for the women we knew Brad to be previously involved with...Something still makes me question if she is part of the reason Shaniya had to go. I'm just speculating this is JMO....

When slaaer said they worked together, what went thru my cynical mind was the attraction is $$$. We've heard he's having money problems, tried to sell his house and paying support for several different children.

[sunstar]

Custody was never a issue before an to bring up the other 3 kids from the first marriage well i think you can figure that out for yourself.

This time though, he just was involved with the wrong woman, imo, and didn't know what she was capable of. :sad: MOO

[KatieLady]

My Dad was in the military and I grew up near Ft. Benning. I can say that Dad's deployments (Vietnam) did break up our family. Afterwards, he didn't seem to have a deep connection with my brothers and me abd well into adulthood we rarely saw him. Thankfully we had a good Mom.

Happened a lot back then....the Military wasn't very family friendly then IMO

:rose:

[CrazyMoma]

The new women as you say works with him in the different states. I believe this tragedy is the first time any of his friends an kids ever met her. An yes she did break the mold it actually shocked me.


Sorry..just got back..what do u mean by "break the mold"???

[CrazyMoma]

So the lady who had Shaniya in FL is only 25/26 years old...I'm wayyy curious about this "new" fiance, she broke the mold for the women we knew Brad to be previously involved with...Something still makes me question if she is part of the reason Shaniya had to go. I'm just speculating this is JMO....

Another..break the mold?? What do y'all mean????

[KatieLady]

Another..break the mold?? What do y'all mean????

IMO they mean the race of the new girlfriend

[slaaer]

the looking for other employement cant say. the money hes making he couldnt make here. So the home he has atm he would never had the child support the kids were recieving would never been so much. An it just trickles from there.
So considering before this everything in a sense was fine in his eyes,bills paid kids getting what they need <financially>he was trying to maintain i guess.

[Breakingnews]

Another..break the mold?? What do y'all mean????

She's white.

[Mayasmimi]

Not touching that. Have to get ready to watch my team beat Kentucky. See yall later.

[slaaer]

Brad dated an married African American women so breaking the mold was the n Gf/fiance with her being Caucasian.

[jammies]

Another..break the mold?? What do y'all mean????


Read the last few pages, CM.

[CrazyMoma]

Does anyone know when the funeral is??? Was it today??? Seems a little too soon 2b today..but maybe I missed something

[CrazyMoma]

IMO they mean the race of the new girlfriend



Oh ...white... ..so what????

[KatieLady]

Does anyone know when the funeral is??? Was it today??? Seems a little too soon 2b today..but maybe I missed something

IIRC tomorrow at 3

[slaaer]

tommorow at 3pm

[KatieLady]

tommorow at 3pm

Are you going?

[AmndaRcknwth]

Well i cant find where you edit post. So i guess trying to explain that would be pointless now. What im trying to figure out is what makes a good father to you may not be to me.

I bet Brad was as good a father as he was capable of. The thing is... and it is too late to go back and change anything...
but he should have checked things out before sending Shaniya to that stinkhole, and he should have phoned. Even deployed soldiers get phone calls home.

But there is more to this story. Why didn't Aunt Carey visit or phone Shaniya? If Myrna & Tim and Byron Sr know about the burns, why didn't they visit or phone the home?

Out of sight out of mind? For ALL of them??? WTH?
NOW they are all hollering for the cameras when NONE of them checked on her? They lived in the same flippin town. How difficult would it be to visit, to call, to call her teacher, etc?

SOME one of these adults did nothing but pass it of as not their problem.

Not sure anyone but the POS's in jail are to actually blame, but c'mon... somebody could have cared a little more about the baby they will all be sobbing over tomorrow as they put her in the ground.

[Mayasmimi]

Does anyone know when the funeral is??? Was it today??? Seems a little too soon 2b today..but maybe I missed something

Here's a link to the obituary.

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/fayettevilleobserver/obituary.aspx?n=shaniya-n-davis&pid=136204823

See yall later.

[jammies]

Oh ..so what????


You asked a question and you were answered. period.

[Dustee]

Thank you for the correction...my mistake. However from the way she talked it sounded to me like she lives there. Said she is right across the street IIRC.

I could be wrong but that is how it sounded to me IMO

Perhaps I'm wrong. I looked her up on whitepages.com, and there is an address for Sleepy Hollow, but it's tagged as "work". Maybe there's an office there.

[CrazyMoma]

Brad dated an married African American women so breaking the mold was the n Gf/fiance with her being Caucasian.

Like I said b/4 (up thread)...SO WHAT!!!??? Is that suppose to mean something????

[slaaer]

Yes im going an im going to the wake in a few. Also i dont know if he didnt call he may have i dont know that answer.

[CrazyMoma]

You asked a question and you were answered. period.

Ok..thanks..I don't see where that makes a difference..that's all:confused:

[slaaer]

Cuz when people have a certain routine you get use to it when that routine changes it gets your attention. Other then that no it didnt mean anything.

[KatieLady]

I bet Brad was as good a father as he was capable of. The thing is... and it is too late to go back and change anything...
but he should have checked things out before sending Shaniya to that stinkhole, and he should have phoned. Even deployed soldiers get phone calls home.

But there is more to this story. Why didn't Aunt Carey visit or phone Shaniya? If Myrna & Tim and Byron Sr know about the burns, why didn't they visit or phone the home?

Out of sight out of mind? For ALL of them??? WTH?
NOW they are all hollering for the cameras when NONE of them checked on her? They lived in the same flippin town. How difficult would it be to visit, to call, to call her teacher, etc?

SOME one of these adults did nothing but pass it of as not their problem.

Not sure anyone but the POS's in jail are to actually blame, but c'mon... somebody could have cared a little more about the baby they will all be sobbing over tomorrow as they put her in the ground.

IIRC the Aunt did see her on weekends? Not sure but I believe that was what was said until AD told her she would never see her again right before Shaniya went missing.

Also, I doubt Shaniya had a phone of her own so AD would have had to let her talk to the Aunt. Maybe Carey tried to call but wasn't allowed to talk to her??

Too many questions unanswered for me to form an opinion about all of this yet IMO

[CrazyMoma]

Yes im going an im going to the wake in a few. Also i dont know if he didnt call he may have i dont know that answer.

The wake is tonight? The funeral tomorrow??...God Bless you all and get through this with the Grace of God :rose:

[jammies]

Yes im going an im going to the wake in a few. Also i dont know if he didnt call he may have i dont know that answer.

Thanks for answering our neverending questions, slaaer.

Hope to see you later.

[CrazyMoma]

Read upthread. No need to shout.

Sorry..my bad..did not mean to shout..just making a statement

[FrankieBones1]

How many children does Brad have? 6 by three different women?

JMO.

If we are to go by the obit, four brothers and two sisters plus Shaniya would be seven children all together.

[KatieLady]

Yes im going an im going to the wake in a few. Also i dont know if he didnt call he may have i dont know that answer.

Please let the family know that there are many of us grieving with them

:rose:

[CrazyMoma]

IIRC the Aunt did see her on weekends? Not sure but I believe that was what was said until AD told her she would never see her again right before Shaniya went missing.

Also, I doubt Shaniya had a phone of her own so AD would have had to let her talk to the Aunt. Maybe Carey tried to call but wasn't allowed to talk to her??

Too many questions unanswered for me to form an opinion about all of this yet IMO

ITA Katie!!!

[slaaer]

Well ill be here alil longer im waiting for my daughter to call me.

[FrankieBones1]

Yes im going an im going to the wake in a few. Also i dont know if he didnt call he may have i dont know that answer.
We will be with you in spirit.

[jammies]

Ok..thanks..I don't see where that makes a difference..that's all:confused:

No one said it did.
It helps if you read back a few pages so you know what's going on and the context of conversations.

[aproudmom]

That's the way I see it too, MrsMC and you are right it seems in the last few years on any case that involves a child.... one or more of the family members of the victim are criticized severely. I certainly remember it happening in the Jessica Lunsford and Greone cases. It was horrible imo.

I believe that Brad loved Shaniya dearly and never in his wildest dreams would he have thought something like this would happen to his little girl. And really I have been here a very long time and I cant remember another case where a child was put into human trafficking by their mother and was murdered.

I don't think there is a human on Earth that wouldn't like to go back and rewrite a part of their history if they could. I am sure Brad will languish in guilt for the rest of his life. He will go through what he should have done but knowing it is too late to change anything.

imo

BBM

ITA I have seen it in recent cases like how could Somer's mom let her walk home she is even getting threats she said for allowing her children to walk to school. I know we all attacked Nevaeh's so called mom who hung with RSO which is still unsolved and the grandma for leaving her with her bio-mom. Some was even wondering why Sandra Cantu's mother was allowing her out at that time when it was still daylight but they felt she was not watching her well enough. Then a lot could not beleive little Robert M. father allowed him to go to his mothers after she had children taken away. I can go on and on but it is normal I think for one it is very hard and seems we try to find blame in the parent who made mistakes perhaps and sometimes IMO it gets so carried away. I think anyone who has had a child kidnapped or murdered they will wonder if only they had did something different and in most cases yes they could have but we have to remember we do not have 100% of all the facts of these people life's so I try not to judge. Well in some cases I try not to.:smile: several I have to bite my tongue or I get the X for being bad because it makes me so angry all these children dying.

[JMO]

Well i cant find where you edit post. So i guess trying to explain that would be pointless now. What im trying to figure out is what makes a good father to you may not be to me.


A good father to me is one that will make sure his child is safe no matter where they live.

I am not saying Brad wasn't a good father BUT I am saying he should have checked out from top to bottom where his child would be living.

How in the world he could ever trust this woman I will never know.

I still feel there is more to this story then is being told . All JMO

[KatieLady]

No, that was his sister, the one that helped watch Shaniya.

There was a younger woman also. Brad's girlfriend

[jammies]

There was a younger woman also. Brad's girlfriend

Is this the girl who is pregnant and/or has his baby?

I'm so confused. :blink:

[CrazyMoma]

Have you been following this case? If so CM, you'd know that BL only dated, married and had children with African America woman. It's simple really.


Yes I was aware of that..but still..so what????

[KatieLady]

Is this the girl who is pregnant and/or has his baby?

I'm so confused. :blink:

No...this is his most recent g/f. The other one (Ty)...they have broken up apparently IMO

[Mayasmimi]

Is this the girl who is pregnant and/or has his baby?

I'm so confused. :blink:

jammies,

Maybe you are confusing her with McNeill's gf, April, who has a child with McNeill and is expecting another. That confused me for a few.

[slaaer]

ok ill be back later on ima go see my daughter an then to the wake.

[AmndaRcknwth]

slaaer, thank you for sharing. We always appreciate input from those close to a case.




A note--- to anyone newly joining the case or threads, saved pics of this case, updated frequently:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Shaniya%20Davis/



and many other cases:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/

[aproudmom]

Does anyone know when the funeral is??? Was it today??? Seems a little too soon 2b today..but maybe I missed something

today was the showing or calling is what they called it an tomorrow is the funeral. IIRC

[jammies]

skip and scroll folks.

[aproudmom]

ok ill be back later on ima go see my daughter an then to the wake.

See ya later slaaer and GOD BLESS you I dont think I could go.

[jammies]

No...this is his most recent g/f. The other one (Ty)...they have broken up apparently IMO


Ok. So does one of them have his baby or pregnant by him?

I swore we read or heard that somewhere????

[KatieLady]

Ok. So does one of them have his baby or pregnant by him?

I swore we read or heard that somewhere????

I am not sure jammie.....all of these kids (on both sides) have me very confused :confused:

[CrazyMoma]

ok ill be back later on ima go see my daughter an then to the wake.

Thanks for your input..be strong..tell Brad there are many out here saying may prayers for the family..

[jammies]

jammies,

Maybe you are confusing her with McNeill's gf, April, who has a child with McNeill and is expecting another. That confused me for a few.



No, although the fact that MM's gf is expecting another was news to me today.

good grief what's with all these babies? Doesn't anyone know about birth control or how to say NO???

[aproudmom]

skip and scroll folks.

agree very easy to do and avoids conflict:smile:

[KatieLady]

Is that the same as visitation or viewing?

I believe so....

[CrazyMoma]

Makes no difference, I think the poster mentioned it as a simple observation.

Lets be nice, its Saturday night!!!


OH..ok..I'm on board.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Brad at presser with sister (l) and fiancee (r):
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Shaniya%20Davis/dadfamily.jpg

Antoinette, Shaniya's mom is pregnant by Coe (first man arrested, set free):
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Shaniya%20Davis/22-1.jpg

April, pregnant by Mario:
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Shaniya%20Davis/april.jpg

[jammies]

I am not sure jammie.....all of these kids (on both sides) have me very confused :confused:


lol glad I'm not sitting on this bench all alone :wink:

[KatieLady]

OH..ok..I'm on board.

Good girl! :wub:

[aproudmom]

jammies,

Maybe you are confusing her with McNeill's gf, April, who has a child with McNeill and is expecting another. That confused me for a few.

:ohmy:OFGS these poor children. jmo

[jammies]

agree very easy to do and avoids conflict:smile:

yep. especially with baiting posts. :thumbup:

[KatieLady]

Shaniyas bio mom (AD) is 2 mos pregnant, supposedly by Mr Coe. He has stated he will take custody of the baby when it is born.

:)

We were wondering about BL's ex gf Ty....does she have a child by BL?

[CrazyMoma]

Good girl! :wub:


:wub: I was just trying to get a grip on what I read:crying:

[Mayasmimi]

No, although the fact that MM's gf is expecting another was news to me today.

good grief what's with all these babies? Doesn't anyone know about birth control or how to say NO???

Ok. Sorry. I thought I heard somewhere that BL's current fiance is pregnant, and when I read the story about April being pregnant, I thought for a second that the reporter was writing about BL.

I need to step away from this computer.

[jammies]

Shaniyas bio mom (AD) is 2 mos pregnant, supposedly by Mr Coe. He has stated he will take custody of the baby when it is born.

:)


Yes I know. I'm talking about Brad's fiancee or the girlfriend.
:unsure:

[KatieLady]

Do we know the name of Brad;s current gf? I was going to add it to the thread on the "Players" in this case

[Breakingnews]

Ok. So does one of them have his baby or pregnant by him?

I swore we read or heard that somewhere????

Not that we know of. He has a son in FL. His name is in the obit. I linked his mother's facebook a couple of pages back.

Slaaer said Brad might have 2 kids in FL and one turned out not to be his or the one listed in the obit turned out not to be his...:confused: In Brevard County Court records the state & the mother filed a child support request in 2008 against Brad.

[jammies]

Brad's fiance reminds me of Amber Frey (scott Peterson's mistress)


she looks around 18 or younger. what the heck is the attraction for these girls?

[jammies]

Ok. Sorry. I thought I heard somewhere that BL's current fiance is pregnant, and when I read the story about April being pregnant, I thought for a second that the reporter was writing about BL.

I need to step away from this computer.

me too, mimi. I think I need to lay down. :blink:

[KatieLady]

LOL_ who the heck are all those people???? I only tell what I know. My brain only holds "so" much, I am at maximum density already w/ this one.

LOL me too! That is why I am trying to add to the who's who link