11/19

[veejaye]

Interesting

In an affidavit for a warrant to search McNeill's 1997 Mitsubishi Galant, investigators said McNeill told them he picked Shaniya up in front of her home and drove her to the hotel. Investigators also said they found feces smeared on the outside door handle of the front door to the home and on the handrail of the steps to the front porch.

Police recovered 11 pieces of trace evidence, such as hair and fibers, from the car, as well as clothes, a belt, a straw, a cell phone and a portable GPS system, according to the search warrant.


http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6444454/


Antoinette Davis' ARREST WARRANT: http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2009/11/17/6440077/davis.pdf



Mario McNeil's ARREST WARRANT: http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2009/11/17/6440061/mcneill.pdf

[veejaye]

From WTVD's website:

As the investigation continues, there are allegations that the 5-year-old's father could have done more to prevent her death.

Bradley Lockhart, a contractor who spends most of his time out of state, was working in Utah when Shaniya turned up missing.

Shaniya Davis was living in her father's $240,000 home in an upscale Cumberland County neighborhood, before he sent her to live with her mother in the Sleepy Hollow Mobile Park with a history of drugs and prostitution.

Tim Allen, who is taking care of Lockhart's 17-year-old daughter after her father kicked her out of his home, says Lockhart's girlfriend named Ty was doing a wonderful job taking care of the 5-year-old for months before her death.

"Yeah she was well taken care of, just always had her hair done and smelling good, just like she was her own biological child," Allen said. "I don't know if he met somebody out in Utah and basically Ty just went away ... and just went downhill from there."


Meanwhile, sources say a preliminary autopsy on Shaniya Davis has been completed, though investigators have not released a cause of death or who killed her.


http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7125084

[jammies]

New thread.


RIP Shaniya.

[Ladygator]

G'morning!!

About Brad coming up behind his Son while he was being interviewed. I can see everyones points about what they think it means, to them.

Guess we'll never really know how the Son was feeling unless he comes out and talks about it in the future.

[jammies]

Bringing this over:

Good morning, I see no new arrests or charges. I just hope the whole truth comes out soon!

Is this something new? I thought Carey had been taking care of her recently? When was this Ty in the picture?

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?se...cal&id=7125084

Tim Allen, who is taking care of Lockhart's 17-year-old daughter after her father kicked her out of his home, says Lockhart's girlfriend, Ty, was doing a wonderful job taking care of the 5-year-old for months before her death.
"Yeah she was well taken care of, just always had her hair done and smelling good, just like she was her own biological child," Allen said. "I don't know if he met somebody out in Utah and basically Ty just went away ... and just went downhill from there."
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[jammies]

As per the article above Mario really DID pick her up in front of the MH.

Wonder how they know that for sure unless AD spilled.

[AJandTam]

G'morning!!

About Brad coming up behind his Son while he was being interviewed. I can see everyones points about what they think it means, to them.

Guess we'll never really know how the Son was feeling unless he comes out and talks about it in the future.

This is very true Gator. Everyone has a take on it, but no sense arguing about it. None of us can read his mind, and know what he was thinking. It's a pointless argument. W/no definate answer unless Byron himself says..

[aproudmom]

New thread.


RIP Shaniya.

thanks jammies I was just about to open one so thanks
Morning everyone.

RIP Baby Girl

[AJandTam]

Has anyone heard anything today about PC's or updates coming?? Or are we up in the air??

[Ladygator]

Originally posted by Marrigan on the last thread

"I remember one Dr. Phil show, in particular, that dealt with a stressed-out Mom holding down the home fires and a Dad that was not "plugged in" to his family because he was working out of town so much. Dad had lots of justifications (material things provided for family, income level, etc.), but what it all really boiled down to, in the end, is that he was a guy who was simply not that invested in being a family man.

That episode has always stuck with me because I have known and seen so many fathers and husbands who just don't 'get' what their role is really all about"

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ITA - My Mom has resented my Dad {as have I} through out their marriage because of this. It's a very stressful job raising children alone. The Husbands go off to their 'jobs' and don't have to deal with any of it. They can feel good about themselves because their wives are stay at homes and the family is taken care of, comfortably.

Had something happened to my Mom when I was young, I don't think my Dad would have changed his work schedule to raise us kids. He would have continued to work out of town and our Grama would have raised us. Until, she became to stressed, and couldn't handle it. WHo knows what would have happened after that.

[jammies]

Originally posted by Marrigan on the last thread

"I remember one Dr. Phil show, in particular, that dealt with a stressed-out Mom holding down the home fires and a Dad that was not "plugged in" to his family because he was working out of town so much. Dad had lots of justifications (material things provided for family, income level, etc.), but what it all really boiled down to, in the end, is that he was a guy who was simply not that invested in being a family man.

That episode has always stuck with me because I have known and seen so many fathers and husbands who just don't 'get' what their role is really all about"

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ITA - My Mom has resented my Dad {as have I} through out their marriage because of this. It's a very stressful job raising children alone. The Husbands go off to their 'jobs' and don't have to deal with any of it. They can feel good about themselves because their wives are stay at homes and the family is taken care of, comfortably.

Had something happened to my Mom when I was young, I don't think my Dad would have changed his work schedule to raise us kids. He would have continued to work out of town and our Grama would have raised us. Until, she became to stressed, and couldn't handle it. WHo knows what would have happened after that.

We went two years only seeing hubby on weekends. Worst two years of our lives. Our house wasn't selling and I was home with a teen and two youngers. Finally had enough and moved before the house sold. We were strapped for a bit but worth it to have our family together.

Course hubby didn't have kids all over the place with multiple mommy's either! I know how hard it was for my own kids and we were TOGETHER. Can't imagine kids being raised all over the place and no Dad in the picture (for all intents and purposes).

[jammies]

Thx for the new thread jammies...I was like :blink: keeping up with the 2from yesterday.



RIP Shaniya :rose:

YW, Angel. Hope we can stick to ONE today!

[aproudmom]

This is very true Gator. Everyone has a take on it, but no sense arguing about it. None of us can read his mind, and know what he was thinking. It's a pointless argument. W/no definate answer unless Byron himself says..

ITA we have no idea like I said I saw nothing odd but some did and that is what we are here for opinions.

[veejaye]

info from "affidavit for a warrant to search McNeill's" car

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Interesting


Quote:
In an affidavit for a warrant to search McNeill's 1997 Mitsubishi Galant, investigators said McNeill told them he picked Shaniya up in front of her home and drove her to the hotel. Investigators also said they found feces smeared on the outside door handle of the front door to the home and on the handrail of the steps to the front porch.

Police recovered 11 pieces of trace evidence, such as hair and fibers, from the car, as well as clothes, a belt, a straw, a cell phone and a portable GPS system, according to the search warrant.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6444454/


Antoinette Davis' ARREST WARRANT: http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local...0077/davis.pdf



Mario McNeil's ARREST WARRANT: http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local...61/mcneill.pdf

[aproudmom]

As per the article above Mario really DID pick her up in front of the MH.

Wonder how they know that for sure unless AD spilled.

I am getting ready to read it but wonder if it is on the video from the park

[jammies]

I am getting ready to read it but wonder if it is on the video from the park

Ahhh. duh on me. yes, there is a camera facing the MH.

Thank GOD these people are so dumb.

[Motomom]

G'morning!!

About Brad coming up behind his Son while he was being interviewed. I can see everyones points about what they think it means, to them.

Guess we'll never really know how the Son was feeling unless he comes out and talks about it in the future.

I've been following the case and reading along here since the beginning. My heart breaks for this father and family. I can't imagine anything worse ever happening in someone's life, this is just horrid.

I don't blame the father at all, he made a huge mistake that cost him his daughters life. He'll live with that for the rest of his life and I hope one day he finds some peace.

As to that interview with NG and the son, I've read everyone's opinion and I can see it both ways. When I first watched it I got the impression that the son was uncomfortable, but I wasn't raised in a smooching/hugging type of family, so something like that would make me uncomfortable. I didn't read any more into it though, and the brother and sister that have spoken (that I've seen) don't seem to show alot of grief, but they are young and I don't think this crime as really sunk in to them yet. I think they are in some sort of shock, I mean, this has to be so overwelming, I just can't imagine. Just my take on things.

[veejaye]

Hi Y'all. I'm new to the SHANIYA NICOLE DAVIS body found threads. Are new threads for Shinaya case put up each day? Or are new threads put up when an old thread gets to a certain length? Sometimes I'm not sure whether I'm posting to the right thread. Thanks.

[Ladygator]

Hi Y'all. I'm new to the SHANIYA NICOLE DAVIS body found threads. Are new threads for Shinaya case put up each day? Or are new threads put up when an old thread gets to a certain length? Sometimes I'm not sure whether I'm posting to the right thread. Thanks.

The moderator, CW, has asked that new threads get created after 1k posts are made. Most days, only 1 thread gets used. If there is 'major' news on a certain day, post counts get alot higher and there may be 2 threads, for one day. The Mod does try to close one, after a new one has been opened. But sometimes, there are errors. Like yesterday, with 2 threads.

Looking at the threads from yesterday you could tell which one was getting the most traffic and which one was not. If there is any confusion, just post and ask. Someone will point ya to the right thread.

Welcome aboard!

[AJandTam]

ITA we have no idea like I said I saw nothing odd but some did and that is what we are here for opinions.

No we don't know. And I really wasn't trying to say that I knew what he was thinking. I was just pointing out that this could have been a simple case of a young man being embarrassed by his dad. And this COULD be what people were seeing. My 7 year old son is very affection in front of others still. He hasn't gotten to the embarrassed by mom stage. However, my 9 year old daughter is another story.. What gets me is that my boy is not embarrassed by affection yet, but if he hurts himself. He does not like me to come comfort him. He has to go do his male suck it up routine instead. Wants to be left alone.

[sammy62]

morning. I've been following this case, but still have confusion about the characters involved. Does anyone know where there is a list of people with their relationship to shaniya.

[Ladygator]

morning. I've been following this case, but still have confusion about the characters involved. Does anyone know where there is a list of people with their relationship to shaniya.

Oh, I don't believe there is one article of 'who's who'.

Maybe someone can put a list together and place it in the 'sticky'?

[GentleBreeze]

I've been following the case and reading along here since the beginning. My heart breaks for this father and family. I can't imagine anything worse ever happening in someone's life, this is just horrid.

I don't blame the father at all, he made a huge mistake that cost him his daughters life. He'll live with that for the rest of his life and I hope one day he finds some peace.

As to that interview with NG and the son, I've read everyone's opinion and I can see it both ways. When I first watched it I got the impression that the son was uncomfortable, but I wasn't raised in a smooching/hugging type of family, so something like that would make me uncomfortable. I didn't read any more into it though, and the brother and sister that have spoken (that I've seen) don't seem to show alot of grief, but they are young and I don't think this crime as really sunk in to them yet. I think they are in some sort of shock, I mean, this has to be so overwhelming, I just can't imagine. Just my take on things.

I do think you are right Moto and we do use our own life experiences to perceive things.

I saw nothing wrong with it and to me Byron did not look uncomfortable to me.

Now I am from the South and being touchy feely (hugs and kisses) with family is as common as the south Georgia humidity.

We have one son but I sure would like to have a dollar for every time he has hugged on his dad in an affectionate way or his dad hugging him. Either one is subject to come up behind the other and lay their hand on their shoulders as a display of affection when the other one is talking or just sitting there. Our son is a very strong self confidant person and very comfortable in his own skin. He is 36 years old (6'1" 197 pounds) and they still show that affection every time they are together. They are not afraid to show emotions or affection just because they are father and son or males.

Our four daughters and I are the same way so seeing Brad come out and hug and cling to Bryon isn't foreign to me.

So it wasn't shocking to me but I can see why others look at it differently though.

[AJandTam]

morning. I've been following this case, but still have confusion about the characters involved. Does anyone know where there is a list of people with their relationship to shaniya.

LOL, There has been one posted. I remember seeing it but it's buried in a god only knows how many pages on god only knows what thread..

I guess while we wait it wouldn't hurt to help you out here.

Brad Lockhart - Dad
Antoinete Davis - Mom
Carey Lockhart Davis - Dad's sister. (coincidence on the Davis name)
Byron Lockhart Coleman- Dads son from murdered wife Vickie
Cheyenne Lockhart- daughter of Brad and Vickie.
Michelle Coleman- Vickie Colemans daughter (the oldest of her children, I think
Chivis Lockhart-Son of Brad and Vickie
Vickie Lockhart- Brads wife who was killed 11 year ago in a home robbery w/her sister and another guy. 2 survivors of that attack.
Brenda Davis- Mom's sister.
Mario A. McNeil- Man seen at the hotel w/Shaniya
Coe- Can't recall last name. Mom's bf, first arrested for the kidnapping then released later and McNeil arrested.
Theresa Chance- LE spokes women

Byron Colemen Sr- Vickies dad
Tim Allen- Friend who is raising Cheyenne Lockhart

Can't remember Vickies mom's name or Allens wife's name. If not accurate. Feel free to make changes in reply..

[Marrigan]

I can relate, Ladygator! Maybe that's why this show stuck with me. My Dad didn't travel and he came home every night (sometimes very late, esp. on Fri. nights), but he just wasn't emotionally plugged in. I know so many men who aren't. Even married one. :tongueside:

Maybe some would say that it's unfair to look at Shaniya's father and make critical judgments about his lifestyle, decisions, etc. Maybe it is unfair. But, I'm starting to rebel against this notion that when a tragedy like this happens, it is an isolated incident and not part of a "domino effect".

Just as with Haleigh Cummings or Caylee Anthony, the back-story can serve as an example to prevent bad things from happening to children. Which is not to say that it will save ALL children, esp. from stranger abductions, but gee whiz, common sense doesn't seem to be so common any more.:sad:

Originally posted by Marrigan on the last thread

"I remember one Dr. Phil show, in particular, that dealt with a stressed-out Mom holding down the home fires and a Dad that was not "plugged in" to his family because he was working out of town so much. Dad had lots of justifications (material things provided for family, income level, etc.), but what it all really boiled down to, in the end, is that he was a guy who was simply not that invested in being a family man.

That episode has always stuck with me because I have known and seen so many fathers and husbands who just don't 'get' what their role is really all about"

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ITA - My Mom has resented my Dad {as have I} through out their marriage because of this. It's a very stressful job raising children alone. The Husbands go off to their 'jobs' and don't have to deal with any of it. They can feel good about themselves because their wives are stay at homes and the family is taken care of, comfortably.

Had something happened to my Mom when I was young, I don't think my Dad would have changed his work schedule to raise us kids. He would have continued to work out of town and our Grama would have raised us. Until, she became to stressed, and couldn't handle it. WHo knows what would have happened after that.

[Ladygator]

Tam, ya mind placing that nice list of yours in the 'sticky' so it doesn't get lost?:thumbsup:

[AJandTam]

Tam, ya mind placing that nice list of yours in the 'sticky' so it doesn't get lost?:thumbsup:

Thank you Ladygator. I would but I think Angelaws is better! We'll put hers up there.

[aproudmom]

No we don't know. And I really wasn't trying to say that I knew what he was thinking. I was just pointing out that this could have been a simple case of a young man being embarrassed by his dad. And this COULD be what people were seeing. My 7 year old son is very affection in front of others still. He hasn't gotten to the embarrassed by mom stage. However, my 9 year old daughter is another story.. What gets me is that my boy is not embarrassed by affection yet, but if he hurts himself. He does not like me to come comfort him. He has to go do his male suck it up routine instead. Wants to be left alone.

Oh I know I was just saying we all have different opinions on it. My boys are 13 and 19 and I hug them and kiss them good night and when they leave or call and embarrass them alot by calling them my babys but when they are hurt or upset they want thier mommy but my oldest never had his dad in his life so we are very close but I think all kids are different

[AJandTam]

And now I think we have the entire cast of characters with my post above and this one.

Yes, you remembered people I forgot.. You did a great job!

[aproudmom]

Who's Who...So far!

Shaniya, 5-------------- MISSING!
Antoniette, 25----------- Mother of Shaniya*
Bradley Lockhart, 39----- Father of Shaniya

Ann Summers-------Mother of Antoniette
Byron Coleman------Half brother of Shaniya
Brenda Davis-------Sister of Antoniette
Carey Lockhart-----Sister of Bradley Lockhart; Shaniya's Aunt
Name Unknown-----Son of Antoniette
Name Unknown-----Infant, mother unknown

Clarence Coe-------Boyfriend of Antoniette (possibly ex)
Mario A. McNeill---- Ex-boyfriend of Brenda Davis*
April Autry--------Current girlfriend of Mario McNeill

Angela Moore------Sleepy Hollow neighbor
Barbara Davenport--Sleep Hollow park manager/owner

*incarcerated


And now I think we have the entire cast of characters.

:ohmy:I know why I get so confused now

[AJandTam]

Oh I know I was just saying we all have different opinions on it. My boys are 13 and 19 and I hug them and kiss them good night and when they leave or call and embarrass them alot by calling them my babys but when they are hurt or upset they want thier mommy but my oldest never had his dad in his life so we are very close but I think all kids are different

No doubt Aproudmom, Sometimes as parents, we accidently embarrass them. Every generation seems to have a new set of rules. We get confused. I try not to but i've been told a few times. Mom, your embarrassing me, don't do that.

One time when I was a teen. My mother was hugging on me in public. My grandmother, her MIL goes. Dianne, quit that, people are going to think your lesbians. I admit. I was grateful my grandmother spoke up, as I didn't really want her to do that either.

[jammies]

Yes, you remembered people I forgot.. You did a great job!

There's a gf named "Ty" but not around anymore? As per the friend who's raising Cheyenne.

[Donnah]

Who's Who...So far!

Shaniya, 5-------------- MISSING!

And now I think we have the entire cast of characters.

Found. Murdered.

[AJandTam]

There's a gf named "Ty" but not around anymore? As per the friend who's raising Cheyenne.

I actually added her but then erased it because I wasn't sure if he was referring to the current one Brad is said to be engaged too, or if he was referring to another past gf. So I just left her out. She's not really been talked about much anyhow. Hasn't even publically commented that I know of.. Whoever she is..

[aproudmom]

I do think you are right Moto and we do use our own life experiences to perceive things.

I saw nothing wrong with it and to me Byron did not look uncomfortable to me.

Now I am from the South and being touchy feely (hugs and kisses) with family is as common as the south Georgia humidity.

We have one son but I sure would like to have a dollar for every time he has hugged on his dad in an affectionate way or his dad hugging him. Either one is subject to come up behind the other and lay their hand on their shoulders as a display of affection when the other one is talking or just sitting there. Our son is a very strong self confidant person and very comfortable in his own skin. He is 36 years old (6'1" 197 pounds) and they still show that affection every time they are together. They are not afraid to show emotions or affection just because they are father and son or males.

Our four daughters and I are the same way so seeing Brad come out and hug and cling to Bryon isn't foreign to me.

So it wasn't shocking to me but I can see why others look at it differently though.

ok GB I am from Indiana but when I lived at Fort Brag NC they all said I sounded like I was from the south and had that accent and made fun of me so what is the South:biggrin:

[AJandTam]

Oh hon...I copied that off a thread from last week one day & saved it just to keep my names straight. I did not do the work and i am sorry to the poster who did, I forgt to put their name on it when I saved it.:mellow:

You did a great job with your updated list...we got all kinds of characters now!

Ohh.. well it was a good list. Maybe that was the list I was referring to that got lost in all our postings..

Thank you!

[aproudmom]

Found. Murdered.

:crying:I was going to say that. Poor Baby

[AJandTam]

this was posted early on.....



Shaniya, 5-------------- Murdered
Antoniette, 25----------- Mother of Shaniya*
Bradley Lockhart, 39----- Father of Shaniya

Ann Summers-------Mother of Antoniette
Byron Coleman------Half brother of Shaniya
Brenda Davis-------Sister of Antoniette
Carey Lockhart-----Sister of Bradley Lockhart; Shaniya's Aunt
Name Unknown-----Son of Antoniette
Name Unknown-----Infant, mother unknown

Clarence Coe-------Boyfriend of Antoniette (possibly ex)
Mario A. McNeill---- Ex-boyfriend of Brenda Davis*
April Autry--------Current girlfriend of Mario McNeill

Angela Moore------Sleepy Hollow neighbor
Barbara Davenport--Sleep Hollow park manager/owner

*incarcerated

and from AJ&Tam

Brad Lockhart - Dad
Antoinete Davis - Mom
Carey Lockhart Davis - Dad's sister. (coincidence on the Davis name)
Byron Lockhart Coleman- Dads son from murdered wife Vickie
Cheyenne Lockhart- daughter of Brad and Vickie.
Michelle Coleman- Vickie Colemans daughter (the oldest of her children, I think
Chivis Lockhart-Son of Brad and Vickie
Vickie Lockhart- Brads wife who was killed 11 year ago in a home robbery w/her sister and another guy. 2 survivors of that attack.
Brenda Davis- Mom's sister.
Mario A. McNeil- Man seen at the hotel w/Shaniya
Coe- Can't recall last name. Mom's bf, first arrested for the kidnapping then released later and McNeil arrested.
Theresa Chance- LE spokes women

Byron Colemen Sr- Vickies dad
Tim Allen- Friend who is raising Cheyenne Lockhart

Can't remember Vickies mom's name or Allens wife's name. If not accurate.




And now I think we have the entire cast of characters.

Great job! If ok. I'll just copy and paste this over to the links page.. Everyone ok w/that?

[Ladygator]

:ohmy:I know why I get so confused now

Let's not even get into who is sleeping with whom. That's an entirely different, mass confusion list.:wink:

[KatieLady]

Good job Steph and Tam. That is a BIG help to me!

[AJandTam]

Yup..change AD to incubator please...

I choke on that too, but for the sake of not getting banned. I'll have to be good.

[AJandTam]

Let's not even get into who is sleeping with whom. That's an entirely different, mass confusion list.:wink:

Aint that the truth!

[AJandTam]

Good job Steph and Tam. That is a BIG help to me!

Morning Katy. Thank you.

[Marrigan]

No doubt Aproudmom, Sometimes as parents, we accidently embarrass them. Every generation seems to have a new set of rules. We get confused. I try not to but i've been told a few times. Mom, your embarrassing me, don't do that.

One time when I was a teen. My mother was hugging on me in public. My grandmother, her MIL goes. Dianne, quit that, people are going to think your lesbians. I admit. I was grateful my grandmother spoke up, as I didn't really want her to do that either.

:biggrin::lol::laugh:

[Hannibal]

while they are out trying to support their families..I've been a victim of that...my wife died and my son who has left us...me and his little sister.... tells others he resented the fact I worked nights and wasn't home when he was growing up...
To me it's a silly notion to hold something like that against your own father...

The father made a mistake at trusting the child's mother and he'll have to pay for that mistake in his nightmares the rest of his life...

That's enough.....way far enough without criticism from outsiders...

:thumbdown:


I hope the guy who was arrested for the kidnapping gets a murder charge added...assuming he did kill the child and no one else did....if it hasn't been added already and the mother gets felony murder as Nancy Grace has pointed out and they get the death penalty for this...

:angry:

[AJandTam]

Video Clip from NG last night:

Mother of Shaniya Davis owed accused kidnapper money (video)

http://www.examiner.com/x-30067-Knoxville-Headlines-Examiner~y2009m11d19-Mother-of-Shaniya-Davis-owed-accused-kidnapper-money-video

Hmmmmm I've been wondering if McNeil is really a Human Trafficer or if he was perhaps maybe just a wanna be..

[KatieLady]

I looked for the SW this morning and don't see it yet

[Dunlurken]

Great job! If ok. I'll just copy and paste this over to the links page.. Everyone ok w/that?

I would love it! Wish I knew how to print it.

Morning all. No bad dreams last night. I was able to sleep without that horrible picture coming into my dreams (the elevator). I won't mention it again.

:seeya:

[FrankieBones1]

<<snipped a bit>>
And now I think we have the entire cast of characters.
Thanks, Angel. Any idea how old Cheynne is? She seemed kind of young to be interviewed.

Did anyone get a strange vibe when Bradley came up behind his son during an interview with Nancy Grace?

[jammies]

Are these pages coming up for you all its not for me. Thanks!

I went to the main WRAL link and opened them from there.

[aproudmom]

Let's not even get into who is sleeping with whom. That's an entirely different, mass confusion list.:wink:

:scared:that might be a long list please no I am doing good on the ones listed

[Dunlurken]

Are these pages coming up for you all its not for me. Thanks!

Not coming up for me either. I'll bet WRAL took them down. JMO.

[Marrigan]

Don't want to use up bandwidth so here's a HUGE THANK YOU to everyone for the new thread, links, cast of characters, and additional info.
This is why I wanted to be part of this forum. The sharing. The caring is a serendipity.:wub:

[KatieLady]

Are these pages coming up for you all its not for me. Thanks!

No. Try these

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2009/11/17/6440077/davis.pdf

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2009/11/17/6440061/mcneill.pdf

[jammies]

Thanks, Angel. Any idea how old Cheynne is? She seemed kind of young to be interviewed.

Did anyone get a strange vibe when Bradley came up behind his son during an interview with Nancy Grace?


Read back and previous threads, Frankie. We've discussed it ad nauseum!

[KatieLady]

I would love it! Wish I knew how to print it.

Morning all. No bad dreams last night. I was able to sleep without that horrible picture coming into my dreams (the elevator). I won't mention it again.

:seeya:

Highlight it, and then Print Selection. That should work

[aproudmom]

thanks, angel. Any idea how old cheynne is? She seemed kind of young to be interviewed.

Did anyone get a strange vibe when bradley came up behind his son during an interview with nancy grace?

17 iirc?....

[KatieLady]

I coulnd't get the SW open :shrug:

These are the Arrest Warrants Steph....I haven't seen the SW for the car posted yet.

[aproudmom]

Not coming up for me either. I'll bet WRAL took them down. JMO.

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local...0077/davis.pdf

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local...61/mcneill.pdf

[Dunlurken]

No. Try these

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2009/11/17/6440077/davis.pdf

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2009/11/17/6440061/mcneill.pdf

Those are working. On McNeil it says Shaniya was not released in a safe place. That's contrary to what LE is saying. Just an observation.

[AJandTam]

while they are out trying to support their families..I've been a victim of that...my wife died and my son who has left us...me and his little sister.... tells others he resented the fact I worked nights and wasn't home when he was growing up...
To me it's a silly notion to hold something like that against your own father...

The father made a mistake at trusting the child's mother and he'll have to pay for that mistake in his nightmares the rest of his life...

That's enough.....way far enough without criticism from outsiders...

:thumbdown:


I hope the guy who was arrested for the kidnapping gets a murder charge added...assuming he did kill the child and no one else did....if it hasn't been added already and the mother gets felony murder as Nancy Grace has pointed out and they get the death penalty for this...

:angry:

IMHO, Most of us started out our adult life believing in fairytales and well.. .. Life is complicated. There is no such thing as a fairytales. In the fairytaled storyline. They left out a few human nature facts. Those facts are what blows the whole plan. Things like sex being so powerful that people really do destroy lives and kill each other over it.. Now here we sit, we can debate morals, ethic's and religion til we are blue in the face but in truth, I think sex gets us here way more often then we care to address. It plays a role in case after case..

[aproudmom]

These are the Arrest Warrants Steph....I haven't seen the SW for the car posted yet.

It was just posted on the main page upthread what was taken from the car IIRC

[FrankieBones1]

Read back and previous threads, Frankie. We've discussed it ad nauseum!

Sorry about that. Haven't had time to read and just jumped in. I'll try to delete it.

[sammy62]

I merged both lists. Anyone know anyone else?

Who's Who...So far!

Shaniya, 5-------------- Found Murdered
Antoniette Davis, 25----------- Mother of Shaniya*
Bradley Lockhart, 39----- Father of Shaniya

Ann Summers-------Mother of Antoniette
Brenda Davis-------Sister of Antoniette
Name Unknown-----Son of Antoniette

Vickie Lockhart- Brads wife who was killed 11 year ago in a home robbery w/her sister and another guy. 2 survivors of that attack.
Byron LockhartColeman------ Dads son from murdered wife Vickie; 1/2 brother of Shaniya
Cheyenne Lockhart- daughter of Brad and Vickie.
Tim Allen – friend raising Cheyenne
Michelle Coleman- Vickie Colemans daughter (the oldest of her children, I think)
Chivis Lockhart-Son of Brad and Vickie
Byron Colemen Sr- Vickies dad

Carey Lockhart Davis-----Sister of Bradley Lockhart; Shaniya's Aunt

Clarence Coe-------Boyfriend of Antoniette (possibly ex) first arrested, then let go.
Mario A. McNeill---- Ex-boyfriend of Brenda Davis, seen on video carrying Shaniya in hotel*
April Autry--------Current girlfriend of Mario McNeill

Angela Moore------Sleepy Hollow neighbor
Barbara Davenport--Sleepy Hollow park manager/owner

*incarcerated

Theresa Chance- LE spokes women

[Beasmom]

IMHO, Most of us started out our adult life believing in fairytales and well.. .. Life is complicated. There is no such thing as a fairytales. In the fairytaled storyline. They left out a few human nature facts. Those facts are what blows the whole plan. Things like sex being so powerful that people really do destroy lives and kill each other over it.. Now here we sit, we can debate morals, ethic's and religion til we are blue in the face but in truth, I think sex gets us here way more often then we care to address. It plays a role in case after case..

It's not just sex; it's also drugs.

[jammies]

Sorry about that. Haven't had time to read and just jumped in. I'll try to delete it.


No, don't delete! I wasn't being snarky.....just wanted you to know that yes, we all had something to say about it! lol

[aproudmom]

These are the Arrest Warrants Steph....I haven't seen the SW for the car posted yet.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6444454/

In an affidavit for a warrant to search McNeill's 1997 Mitsubishi Galant, investigators said McNeill told them he picked Shaniya up in front of her home and drove her to the hotel. Investigators also said they found feces smeared on the outside door handle of the front door to the home and on the handrail of the steps to the front porch.

Police recovered 11 pieces of trace evidence, such as hair and fibers, from the car, as well as clothes, a belt, a straw, a cell phone and a portable GPS system, according to the search warrant.

[KatieLady]

It was just posted on the main page upthread what was taken from the car IIRC

I saw that but the actual SW hasn't been posted yet....at least that I can find. But I freely admit....I am no Lynn Gweeny :tonguewag:

[Beasmom]

I know Shaniya is still at the coroner's department and has not yet been released. Has anyone reported on when she will be released and to whom her remains will be released? Have any funeral plans been announced or will her body remain with the coroner for a while to continue gathering evidence?

[KatieLady]

I know Shaniya is still at the coroner's department and has not yet been released. Has anyone reported on when she will be released and to whom her remains will be released? Have any funeral plans been announced or will her body remain with the coroner for a while to continue gathering evidence?

I was hoping jewel would show up and tell us if there was anything about that on local TV.

[Chica]

IMHO, Most of us started out our adult life believing in fairytales and well.. .. Life is complicated. There is no such thing as a fairytales. In the fairytaled storyline. They left out a few human nature facts. Those facts are what blows the whole plan. Things like sex being so powerful that people really do destroy lives and kill each other over it.. Now here we sit, we can debate morals, ethic's and religion til we are blue in the face but in truth, I think sex gets us here way more often then we care to address. It plays a role in case after case..

Good Morning All ! I said the same thing a few days ago wondering how sex was SO powerful that the offender would murder to cover it up? Sex offenders boggle my mind..

[Dunlurken]

I know Shaniya is still at the coroner's department and has not yet been released. Has anyone reported on when she will be released and to whom her remains will be released? Have any funeral plans been announced or will her body remain with the coroner for a while to continue gathering evidence?
I thought about this last night. We have no idea. We have no COD, although the autopsy has been completed... only takes 2-3 hours according to Dr. Perpar (sp?) LE is sure holding this info close.

I would guess that her remains will be released to Brad when that actually happens. It's a murder case, so it could takes months before she's finally released for a proper burial. JMO.

ETA: Toxicology could take weeks. JMO.

[mrsmcgoo]

Good morning all!

I haven't caught up to all the discussion, but what are your thoughts with regard to the feces on the door handle and rails to the front step? What the heck?? How did this get off the blanket to the door? What was the commotion that the neighbor heard?

Any thoughts?

[KatieLady]

Good morning all!

I haven't caught up to all the discussion, but what are your thoughts with regard to the feces on the door handle and rails to the front step? What the heck?? How did this get off the blanket to the door? What was the commotion that the neighbor heard?

Any thoughts?

Morning Friend....

Wasn't the sewer backed up in the house? If so, could have been transfer from inside to outside?

[AJandTam]

It's not just sex; it's also drugs.

No doubt that drugs are also another demon that people destroy lives and kill for. Drugs hold alot of power. No arguments there.

[Marrigan]

Maybe your son is saying that he needed you.

And to be brutally honest here, Brad didn't make a "mistake". He made a gross error in judgment. Whatever his "payment" is, it pales in comparison to what Shaniya paid for his decision.

while they are out trying to support their families..I've been a victim of that...my wife died and my son who has left us...me and his little sister.... tells others he resented the fact I worked nights and wasn't home when he was growing up...
To me it's a silly notion to hold something like that against your own father...

The father made a mistake at trusting the child's mother and he'll have to pay for that mistake in his nightmares the rest of his life...

That's enough.....way far enough without criticism from outsiders...

:thumbdown:


I hope the guy who was arrested for the kidnapping gets a murder charge added...assuming he did kill the child and no one else did....if it hasn't been added already and the mother gets felony murder as Nancy Grace has pointed out and they get the death penalty for this...

:angry:

[KatieLady]

I am not Jewel but I live at atlantic beach about 2 hours from there on our local news they have not said anything today other then no charges have been made for the murder.

Thanks drive by!

[Breakingnews]

I saw that but the actual SW hasn't been posted yet....at least that I can find. But I freely admit....I am no Lynn Gweeny :tonguewag:

I checked everywhere this morning for it, no one has published it. And the article at NBC that had the name of the jacket & sizes of the clothes has been edited. They deleted the designer name and sizes.

[AJandTam]

Good Morning All ! I said the same thing a few days ago wondering how sex was SO powerful that the offender would murder to cover it up? Sex offenders boggle my mind..

Yes but it's not just typical sex offenders. In domestic cases where people murder spouses or people they know. Sex almost always plays a role in some form or another. It's deadly, and not even diseases and self preservation stops it.. they just keep right on.. Alot of power there. Sex, money and drugs..

[Dunlurken]

The Memorial fund information was shown last night on NG. I didn't take note of the address, etc. I would think Brad has enough money to bury his daughter though. JMO. :confused:

Here we go again!

[Breakingnews]

The Memorial fund information was shown last night on NG. I didn't take note of the address, etc. I would think Brad has enough money to bury his daughter though. JMO. :confused:

Here we go again!

I thought the very same thing when I heard about it. I'd want to know what the money is for before I contributed.

[Dunlurken]

I checked everywhere this morning for it, no one has published it. And the article at NBC that had the name of the jacket & sizes of the clothes has been edited. They deleted the designer name and sizes.

I remember a pair of jeans, size 2T which I thought was unusual because a 5 year old can't wear a size 2T. JMO.

[aproudmom]

I saw that but the actual SW hasn't been posted yet....at least that I can find. But I freely admit....I am no Lynn Gweeny :tonguewag:

Sorry about that:tonguewag:back at ya

[mrsmcgoo]

Morning Friend....

Wasn't the sewer backed up in the house? If so, could have been transfer from inside to outside?

Hi K....

I was thinking the same, but wondered why it was not reported that feces was more present in the house? Seems strange that it was noted this way, "Investigators also said they found feces smeared on the outside door handle of the front door to the home and on the handrail of the steps to the front porch." Man I wish Coe would come forward and clear a few things up for us!

[KatieLady]

I remember a pair of jeans, size 2T which I thought was unusual because a 5 year old can't wear a size 2T. JMO.

Mario has a younger child doesn't he?

[Breakingnews]

I missed that..do u remember any of them? Were they McNeill's clothes of Sahniya's?

The jacket, abblebottom, which I think was a typo and suppose to be applebottom, size 4 and the jeans were 24 months I believe. I have to run out for awhile, but if you want to check my posts from yesterday, I quoted that part of it here.

[KatieLady]

Hi K....

I was thinking the same, but wondered why it was not reported that feces was more present in the house? Seems strange that it was noted this way, "Investigators also said they found feces smeared on the outside door handle of the front door to the home and on the handrail of the steps to the front porch." Man I wish Coe would come forward and clear a few things up for us!

Hopefully he is spilling it all to LE!

[hooked2]

Morning everyone :) Long time no see many of you... I've been around for the past few evenings

That list of key players is most helpful!!! Can that be put into the links list? This family gets a bit confusing :huh:

[Dunlurken]

Mario has a younger child doesn't he?

That was my next question. JMO.

[Marrigan]

IMHO, Most of us started out our adult life believing in fairytales and well.. .. Life is complicated. There is no such thing as a fairytales. In the fairytaled storyline. They left out a few human nature facts. Those facts are what blows the whole plan. Things like sex being so powerful that people really do destroy lives and kill each other over it.. Now here we sit, we can debate morals, ethic's and religion til we are blue in the face but in truth, I think sex gets us here way more often then we care to address. It plays a role in case after case..

Hmmmm. Words worth ruminating on, AJ. Maybe it's not so much about sex, though, as it is about deviance.

[Marrigan]

I wondered why a memorial fund also, and he was very quick to suggest it. I do believe Brad mentioned it at the very beginning in the statement he made at the house the other day. Seemed odd that a Memorial fund would be on their minds right now. It would be the last thing I was worried about at this point. MOO

ITA. But look at Caylee's grandparents, setting up a foundation to (allegedly) help missing children. :cursing: Seems to me that they're THE LAST people I would turn to.

[mrsmcgoo]

One more issue and PLEASE don't throw things, but no mention of the 60 year old man driving the Toyota truck? Anyone think this is another suspect and that is why we haven't heard any new info or clarification on this?

:read:

[jammies]

Mario has a younger child doesn't he?


Youtube of Mario's g/f mother of his baby

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Sierra1947#p/u/21/9XCU620xZwI

[Chica]

Maybe your son is saying that he needed you.

And to be brutally honest here, Brad didn't make a "mistake". He made a gross error in judgment. Whatever his "payment" is, it pales in comparison to what Shaniya paid for his decision.

Mr. Lockhart's payment will be a lifetime of guilt that he could have protected his child. Many people are crippled by the fact that their last words were cross just before their child dies. Please do not minimize the dad's payment. I just hope that he is able to come to some sort of peace with himself. I worry about how he will handle his gross error in judgement.

[Dunlurken]

One more issue and PLEASE don't throw things, but no mention of the 60 year old man driving the Toyota truck? Anyone think this is another suspect and that is why we haven't heard any new info or clarification on this?

:read:

That's the thing I don't get. No more info about him at all. The only thing I can surmise, if the information we are hearing is correct, is that Mario took Shaniya to the hotel either waiting to hear from the 60 year old man or something.

LE keeps telling us she was taken out of the hotel ALIVE. But, we have no proof of that either. JMO.

[Chica]

I cannot speak for Brad Lockhart or what prompted him to come out in view of the cameras when his son was being interviewed.

I come from a family that displays emotion and affection and we are "touchy" also. As a sister of a brother killed I witnessed my mom became extremely clingy to the surviving children. Always hugging us so tight sometimes til it seemed like we couldn't breathe. I just think it was her way of believing the tighter she held us the safer we would be. It was part of her grieving process. If she called one of us and left a message if one of us did not respond to her call within a few minutes; she panicked thinking something had happened and at times literally drove us nuts but we understood and did everything we could to make sure we checked in daily to ease her worrying. It took months before she was able to relax and ease up that grip.

Again - cannot speak for this dad -- but people grieve in different ways and a parent losing a child especially via murder become very protective of the other children even when grown. (I was already married at the time and had a little girl). Most parents worry about their children anyway. After a sudden death that worrying is amplified. IMO we should give the dad some slack.

I am so glad that you posted this because I know IF I had another child, I would be hugging him constantly after my son was killed. I would have my arms around him whenever I could.

[annalyzer]

Published: 06:49 AM, Thu Nov 19, 2009

Man charged in Shaniya Davis money scam

Fayetteville police have charged a Parkton man with falsely taking money as donations in the name of Shaniya Davis.

Donald Roddy Jr., 36, of the 7300 block of Hypony Trail, was arrested this afternoon and charged with obtaining property by false pretense.

Police had received earlier reports about a man in the area of McPherson Church and Skibo roads holding a sign indicating he was collecting money for Shaniya from passing motorists.

The 5-year-old Fayetteville girl disappeared from her mother's home on Nov. 10. Her body was found Monday in woods south of Sanford.

"It's just a play on people's sympathy," said Sgt. John Somerin****. "There's a lot of interest in the case."

A memorial trust fund in the name of Shaniya Davis has been set up by Wachovia bank, according to a release from the Police Department. Donations can be made to any Wachovia bank.

Roddy's bail was set at $2,000.

http://fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/18/953325

[aproudmom]

The Memorial fund information was shown last night on NG. I didn't take note of the address, etc. I would think Brad has enough money to bury his daughter though. JMO. :confused:

Here we go again!

I missed that I guess all I knew was this

Man charged in Shaniya Davis money scam
http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/18/953325
Fayetteville police have charged a Parkton man with falsely taking money as donations in the name of Shaniya Davis.

It's just a play on people's sympathy," said Sgt. John Somerin****. "There's a lot of interest in the case."

A memorial trust fund in the name of Shaniya Davis has been set up by Wachovia bank, according to a release from the Police Department. Donations can be made to any Wachovia bank.

[Marrigan]

I understand your point, Xenam, but let's put this in context. Byron was sitting in a chair in the front yard, wired up for sound and being interviewed by Nancy Grace.
Brad knew what was going on.
And that wasn't a hug, it was darn near a choke hold. I haven't seen anyone else mention this, but after watching that clip multiple times, I could swear that one of those lingering kisses to the back of Byron's head included some whispering.

The more I think about this, the more suspicious I become.

I cannot speak for Brad Lockhart or what prompted him to come out in view of the cameras when his son was being interviewed.

I come from a family that displays emotion and affection and we are "touchy" also. As a sister of a brother killed I witnessed my mom became extremely clingy to the surviving children. Always hugging us so tight sometimes til it seemed like we couldn't breathe. I just think it was her way of believing the tighter she held us the safer we would be. It was part of her grieving process. If she called one of us and left a message if one of us did not respond to her call within a few minutes; she panicked thinking something had happened and at times literally drove us nuts but we understood and did everything we could to make sure we checked in daily to ease her worrying. It took months before she was able to relax and ease up that grip.

Again - cannot speak for this dad -- but people grieve in different ways and a parent losing a child especially via murder become very protective of the other children even when grown. (I was already married at the time and had a little girl). Most parents worry about their children anyway. After a sudden death that worrying is amplified. IMO we should give the dad some slack.

[Dunlurken]

Youtube of Mario's g/f mother of his baby

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Sierra1947#p/u/21/9XCU620xZwI

Oh yeah, I remember that. Her name is April IIRC.

Thanks for the link.

[hooked2]

IMHO, Most of us started out our adult life believing in fairytales and well.. .. Life is complicated. There is no such thing as a fairytales. In the fairytaled storyline. They left out a few human nature facts. Those facts are what blows the whole plan. Things like sex being so powerful that people really do destroy lives and kill each other over it.. Now here we sit, we can debate morals, ethic's and religion til we are blue in the face but in truth, I think sex gets us here way more often then we care to address. It plays a role in case after case..
I think you're on to something here!

[Dunlurken]

I understand your point, Xenam, but let's put this in context. Byron was sitting in a chair in the front yard, wired up for sound and being interviewed by Nancy Grace.
Brad knew what was going on.
And that wasn't a hug, it was darn near a choke hold. I haven't seen anyone else mention this, but after watching that clip multiple times, I could swear that one of those lingering kisses to the back of Byron's head included some whispering.

The more I think about this, the more suspicious I become.Well Hallelujah! I also thought he was whispering something to him. JMO. Like, shut your mouth. And the hand on the knee? A squeeze when it's time to say nothing?

JMO.

[mrsmcgoo]

That's the thing I don't get. No more info about him at all. The only thing I can surmise, if the information we are hearing is correct, is that Mario took Shaniya to the hotel either waiting to hear from the 60 year old man or something.

LE keeps telling us she was taken out of the hotel ALIVE. But, we have no proof of that either. JMO.

I wish there was a way we could check and see if this "be on the lookout" notice is still active. Not sure but might be super slueth around that knows how to do that.

I am thinking this man is a key to this as well. Maybe the real reason more charges were not added yesterday.

JMO

[cog1]

I remember a pair of jeans, size 2T which I thought was unusual because a 5 year old can't wear a size 2T. JMO.

I'm just jumping in here and trying to catch up so forgive me if this has been addressed already.

The size 2T if that is the size, could belong to his daughter with the gf on youtube right?

Good Morning ALL!!!

[KatieLady]

Well Hallelujah! I also thought he was whispering something to him. JMO. Like, shut your mouth. And the hand on the knee? A squeeze when it's time to say nothing?

JMO.

Could it be that there were/are certain things LE told them not to talk about? Maybe Byron was getting to close to saying something that wasn't supposed to be talked about? About AD?

Just a thought....

[Beasmom]

I wish there was a way we could check and see if this "be on the lookout" notice is still active. Not sure but might be super slueth around that knows how to do that.

I am thinking this man is a key to this as well. Maybe the real reason more charges were not added yesterday.

JMO

I am wondering if nothing is being mentioned about this guy because he has everything to do with it. I think the police are being extra careful not to mess anything up in the investigation--including talking too soon to the media. And thank heavens for that!

[Beasmom]

Could it be that there were/are certain things LE told them not to talk about? Maybe Byron was getting to close to saying something that wasn't supposed to be talked about? About AD?

Just a thought....

I think you are correct, and there are probably many things they have been cautioned about that we know nothing about yet.

Also, the father was showing public support for his son, giving him a strong arm to lean on. I think he surprised his son when he came onto camera, that's all. I think the father also wanted to show the public that he cares for his kids. I really think that's all it was.

[hooked2]

I understand your point, Xenam, but let's put this in context. Byron was sitting in a chair in the front yard, wired up for sound and being interviewed by Nancy Grace.
Brad knew what was going on.
And that wasn't a hug, it was darn near a choke hold. I haven't seen anyone else mention this, but after watching that clip multiple times, I could swear that one of those lingering kisses to the back of Byron's head included some whispering.

The more I think about this, the more suspicious I become.
I feel certain that Brad is trying to keep his entire life from being laid out for public consumption. I am certain he has some secrets to keep... I do not think they rise to anything criminal nor do I believe his purpose is to do anything but try and maintain some respectability for his family.

I keep wondering what statement made Brad get up from watching NG inside and come out on the lawn... I think it may have been "even a convicted felon should get a second chance"... now, there is nothing wrong with that notion, but perhaps not the best thing for him to say at this point. Cheyenne had already spilled some beans, but I firmly believe that if Brad was trying to control the speech of his children, he simply would find the way to prevent them from doing interviews. I really believe that.

It's possible if he whispered it was to remind him to say that people should keep an eye out for kids in trouble. But I don't believe for a minute that they have any big secrets to keep, but only those that would cause us and people like us to rip them to shreds for our own entertainment... because ultimately, that is what we do.

[mrsmcgoo]

I am wondering if nothing is being mentioned about this guy because he has everything to do with it. I think the police are being extra careful not to mess anything up in the investigation--including talking too soon to the media. And thank heavens for that!

I hope and pray you are right! I am in no hurry to hear details that will jeopardize the case. I hope the release of that information has not given the perp a heads up, that is assuming he is a vital player in this.

JMO

[AJandTam]

Hmmmm. Words worth ruminating on, AJ. Maybe it's not so much about sex, though, as it is about deviance.

Can't argue why it is so powerful. I really just don't know!

[Marrigan]

Mr. Lockhart's payment will be a lifetime of guilt that he could have protected his child. Many people are crippled by the fact that their last words were cross just before their child dies. Please do not minimize the dad's payment. I just hope that he is able to come to some sort of peace with himself. I worry about how he will handle his gross error in judgement.

We don't know Brad Lockhart. We don't know how much guilt he feels or will feel. None of us can project our own personal experiences with loss, esp. those that were particularly tragic or violent, onto him.
My point to Hannibal was in referring to Brad's decision to let AD take Shaniya as a "mistake". IMHO, that trivializes his decision and considering how much more information we now know about AD, her family and her 'associates', I'm frankly damn mad that a father could turn over his precious 5 yr. old to such a woman and then just leave town. Right now, I don't really care much how he's going to handle his grief. I care about other fathers stepping up to the plate and protecting their children.

[tjcox]

I understand your point, Xenam, but let's put this in context. Byron was sitting in a chair in the front yard, wired up for sound and being interviewed by Nancy Grace.
Brad knew what was going on.
And that wasn't a hug, it was darn near a choke hold. I haven't seen anyone else mention this, but after watching that clip multiple times, I could swear that one of those lingering kisses to the back of Byron's head included some whispering.

The more I think about this, the more suspicious I become.

Do you have a link where I can watch this? I looked on the links thread and couldn't find it. I saw it on Nancy Grace and I did think it looked it weird but I would like to watch it again! Thanks:wub:

[aproudmom]

Well Hallelujah! I also thought he was whispering something to him. JMO. Like, shut your mouth. And the hand on the knee? A squeeze when it's time to say nothing?

JMO.

could he have told him not to say anything such a COD or anything LE had told them perhaps, he did not come out until she started asking more and more questions:confused: even though I dont think they had COD at that time but I could be wrong

[Chica]

Could it be that there were/are certain things LE told them not to talk about? Maybe Byron was getting to close to saying something that wasn't supposed to be talked about? About AD?

Just a thought....

Absolutely. This is an ongoing investigation and I am sure they are not supposed to even discuss AD to the media. But, with that said, I still maintain Mr. Lockhart wants to touch his child. He can never touch Shaniya again.

[AJandTam]

I think AJandTam are working on that. Might be there already, I did not get a chance to look. Should be close to the last posting on the links thread.

I did add it. Both list

[Leanne Weich]

I wonder if the memorial fund has been set up in lieu of flowers. When my brother died, we did that and donated the money for organ donations.

[GentleBreeze]

I understand your point, Xenam, but let's put this in context. Byron was sitting in a chair in the front yard, wired up for sound and being interviewed by Nancy Grace.
Brad knew what was going on.
And that wasn't a hug, it was darn near a choke hold. I haven't seen anyone else mention this, but after watching that clip multiple times, I could swear that one of those lingering kisses to the back of Byron's head included some whispering.

The more I think about this, the more suspicious I become.

Oh my goodness. I sure didn't see any of that even watching it several times.

The head kissing and putting his arm loosely around his neck and top of his chest imo is just a thing some do. I have seen it happen before and they weren't trying to put a choke hold on them but trying to show them affection when they are standing behind them.


imo

[Lavinya]

One more issue and PLEASE don't throw things, but no mention of the 60 year old man driving the Toyota truck? Anyone think this is another suspect and that is why we haven't heard any new info or clarification on this?

:read:

I've been wondering about this myself Mrs.Mcgoo. I'm really wondering if LE isn't busy scaring up a whole nest of deviants.

[Chica]

We don't know Brad Lockhart. We don't know how much guilt he feels or will feel. None of us can project our own personal experiences with loss, esp. those that were particularly tragic or violent, onto him.
My point to Hannibal was in referring to Brad's decision to let AD take Shaniya as a "mistake". IMHO, that trivializes his decision and considering how much more information we now know about AD, her family and her 'associates', I'm frankly damn mad that a father could turn over his precious 5 yr. old to such a woman and then just leave town. Right now, I don't really care much how he's going to handle his grief. I care about other fathers stepping up to the plate and protecting their children.

Let's agree to disagree, my friend.

[aproudmom]

Do you have a link where I can watch this? I looked on the links thread and couldn't find it. I saw it on Nancy Grace and I did think it looked it weird but I would like to watch it again! Thanks:wub:

all on here
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

[Dunlurken]

I missed that I guess all I knew was this

Man charged in Shaniya Davis money scam
http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/18/953325
Fayetteville police have charged a Parkton man with falsely taking money as donations in the name of Shaniya Davis.

It's just a play on people's sympathy," said Sgt. John Somerin****. "There's a lot of interest in the case."

A memorial trust fund in the name of Shaniya Davis has been set up by Wachovia bank, according to a release from the Police Department. Donations can be made to any Wachovia bank.From your link:

"Before donating money to any cause, one should make efforts to verify the authenticity of the organization," officials said in a release.

I'm pretty sure the one mentioned last night on NG was Wachovia Bank. So that one could be okay. JMO.

[marinewife5]

Well Hallelujah! I also thought he was whispering something to him. JMO. Like, shut your mouth. And the hand on the knee? A squeeze when it's time to say nothing?

JMO.

I did not see the entire interview, but only the part where byron was talking and brad came out and put his arm on him. I rewound and watched it a couple of times, but the only impression I got was a father who lost a daughter and felt compelled to be close to the children he had that were still living. I saw nothing sinister, controlling, or manipulating. And if he was whispering, who's to say he didn't say something like "i love you, son" or "stay strong" etc. I will admit i am not comfortable with either minor child being interviewed on television. Bad journalistic ethics, imo.

I understand that Cheyanne went to live with a friend when she was "kicked out", but my own life experience tells me there is more to that story, and we have only heard one side.

jmo

[Marrigan]

Can't argue why it is so powerful. I really just don't know!

It (sex) may be a powerful urge, but there's not one single emotion that humans experience that can't be controlled or restrained. We can either submit to our vices or we can rise up to our virtues. Free will, and all that good stuff.

[tjcox]

all on here
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

Thank you!

[Marrigan]

Well Hallelujah! I also thought he was whispering something to him. JMO. Like, shut your mouth. And the hand on the knee? A squeeze when it's time to say nothing?

JMO.

Maybe we should write to NG. She gets all weepy when she runs that video. I thought she was better at reading people than what she's been showing with Brad Lockhart.

[aproudmom]

I honestly don't see what you are referring to. Brad comes out at about 4:30 of this tape:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7v-zFicjOT8&videos=noNDb9V4kww

he came out right after his son said this was the 2nd tragedy that he had lost his mother also. I think it was to comfort his son but JMO

[AJandTam]

I think you're on to something here!

One needs only to open your ears at what's being said around us all day every day to know what is the truth. IMHO.

[Marrigan]

Let's agree to disagree, my friend.

Agreed.:rose:

[marinewife5]

he came out right after his son said this was the 2nd tragedy that he had lost his mother also. I think it was to comfort his son but JMO

i agree. i have no idea what he was thinking or what his motive was, but it just doesn't seem malicious to me. again, i am very troubled with the nancy grace show interviewing these minors on a murder case....i do believe brad should have prevented that, but i do not know the circumstances of how the interviews came to be. nonetheless, shame on the NG show.

jmo

[Keegan]

Hi K....

I was thinking the same, but wondered why it was not reported that feces was more present in the house? Seems strange that it was noted this way, "Investigators also said they found feces smeared on the outside door handle of the front door to the home and on the handrail of the steps to the front porch." Man I wish Coe would come forward and clear a few things up for us!

Anal rape can cause diarrhea and a host of other problems...ie perforated colon.

[aproudmom]

Thank you!

your welcome all I hear is kisses and had my sound up pretty darn loud but maybe I am missing something:shrug:

[Beasmom]

I've been wondering about this myself Mrs.Mcgoo. I'm really wondering if LE isn't busy scaring up a whole nest of deviants.

IMO, AD and MMcN allegedly dealt drugs and took drugs, but the two of them are not smart enough to mastermind a drug operation or (I hate to say it) child trafficking/porn/prostitution operation. These two are only links in a chain. It would be great if police could find where that chain leads.

[cog1]

IMO, AD and MMcN allegedly dealt drugs and took drugs, but the two of them are not smart enough to mastermind a drug operation or (I hate to say it) child trafficking/porn/prostitution operation. These two are only links in a chain. It would be great if police could find where that chain leads.

ITA and I really hope that is part of the holdup with the release of information.

Get them all and hang em high for this!

AMOO

[marinewife5]

IMO, AD and MMcN allegedly dealt drugs and took drugs, but the two of them are not smart enough to mastermind a drug operation or (I hate to say it) child trafficking/porn/prostitution operation. These two are only links in a chain. It would be great if police could find where that chain leads.

EXCELLENT POINT! Hopefully, the police can round up the whole "ring"....i doubt the drugs and trafficking are mutually exclusive.

What a legacy for Shaniya to leave behind after just 5 short years....

jmo

[KatieLady]

"Iheartmymimi" was "hot products" plus many others.

Thanks for immediate reports and please mark them 'URGENT'

Thanks CW. This poster seems to have a lot of time on their hands. Too bad they don't use it to volunteer or do some good instead of wreaking havoc on a message board. :rolleyes:

[tjcox]

your welcome all I hear is kisses and had my sound up pretty darn loud but maybe I am missing something:shrug:

I really tried to watch him lips and I didnt see them moving. I just saw kisses but...... I could be missing something also!

[Marrigan]

Oh my goodness. I sure didn't see any of that even watching it several times.

The head kissing and putting his arm loosely around his neck and top of his chest imo is just a thing some do. I have seen it happen before and they weren't trying to put a choke hold on them but trying to show them affection when they are standing behind them.

imo

Honestly, I'm not trying to be difficult here, but IMHO there is a difference between standing in one's kitchen and hugging one's adult child who has just lost a sister to a tragically violent murder - and - strolling up behind this same adult child who is being interviewed on a nat'l tv show, locking one's arm around their neck, kissing the back of their head (and I'm sorry if you missed what I perceive as Brad whispering to Byron) and then standing there for, what seemed to be, an inordinate amount of time. ((exhale)):confused:

Maybe I've just been following too many of these dreadful murder cases and have become a caustic cynic. OTOH, my instincts usually serve me well.

[FrankieBones1]

Well Hallelujah! I also thought he was whispering something to him. JMO. Like, shut your mouth. And the hand on the knee? A squeeze when it's time to say nothing?

JMO.


Quite a bit of this is starting to make sense now. Bradley wasn't seen in the interviews along with Cheyenne. She is living with other adults now. I don't think Bradley had any say in what she had to say.

[aproudmom]

"Iheartmymimi" was "hot products" plus many others.

Thanks for immediate reports and please mark them 'URGENT'

got it and will do

[mrsmcgoo]

In regards to the issue of Dad coming out during the interview with Byron. I thought he was coming out to support his son and thought he wanted to be sure the son didn't reveal any information that could jeopardize the investigation. I don't know why the son gave the interview in the first place, but it could be just to speak about his sister, who he loved and he got comfort from doing this. A part of the healing maybe. Not sure.

JMO

[AmndaRcknwth]

My first thought when watching the NG clip of Brad coming out to Byron's interview was 'chokehold and whispering' too.
But on watching it several times, I have changed my mind to 'strange but innocent'.

Who knows why he did it, but my guess is to protect his son from the shark(s).

Remember these fake crying TV people just want ratings, and whatever sells, they do it.

[AJandTam]

It (sex) may be a powerful urge, but there's not one single emotion that humans experience that can't be controlled or restrained. We can either submit to our vices or we can rise up to our virtues. Free will, and all that good stuff.

Pandora's box should never be opened, once you open it, you can never close it again. So i'm not going to continue this conversation as it is probably not wise. There are those here who will know what i'm talking about. And there are those who I hope never know.

[FrankieBones1]

Hi Dunnie -- Would you or Marrigan be so kind as to point out where you believe he whispered. I just don't see that nor do I see a choke hold. You can go right to 4:30 of this tape where Brad comes out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7v-zFicjOT8&videos=noNDb9V4kww
It is not easy to catch at first glance. Most of the whisper is done behind the son's head. You could almost hear it.

[Chica]

i agree. i have no idea what he was thinking or what his motive was, but it just doesn't seem malicious to me. again, i am very troubled with the nancy grace show interviewing these minors on a murder case....i do believe brad should have prevented that, but i do not know the circumstances of how the interviews came to be. nonetheless, shame on the NG show.

jmo

The only fact I know to be true is that Shaniya was murdered, don't know if she was molested or COD or even where she was murdered. I do not know for a fact WHAT Mr. Lockhart knew before he sent Shaniya off to her mother. Therefore, I cannot criticize what he did until I hear what he actually knew. I do wonder why members of his family and a friend would now criticize him publicly. I see nothing to gain by that other than to further hurt him. If they are critical of his decision they should confront him, not tear down a grieving man on national TV. And if they feel he is faking and not grieving, again confront him, not go on national television. Doing that make me wonder why? We know he is at odds with his in-laws as shown with the law suits. And I think his daughter is also angry with him as she was thrown out of the house. I don't know, but I cannot criticize Mr. Lockhart without real facts of what he knew. I feel his family has an agenda to hurt him even more. jmo

[FrankieBones1]

My first thought when watching the NG clip of Brad coming out to Byron's interview was 'chokehold and whispering' too.
But on watching it several times, I have changed my mind to 'strange but innocent'.

Who knows why he did it, but my guess is to protect his son from the shark(s).

Remember these fake crying TV people just want ratings, and whatever sells, they do it.

I never did see it as a choke hold. Just reminded me of a manly type hug.
Edited to add
These kids are far too young to be interviewed. I know that Cheyenne is seventeen but she seemed to be more like thirteen to me and caught between families. All this must be difficult for her, too. Who will be the next anchor or blogger to get ahold of these kids?

[Dunlurken]

Hi Dunnie -- Would you or Marrigan be so kind as to point out where you believe he whispered. I just don't see that nor do I see a choke hold. You can go right to 4:30 of this tape where Brad comes out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7v-zFicjOT8&videos=noNDb9V4kww

No charges against Brad, so guess we can't go there. As I said, just an observation and JMO.

[marinewife5]

Honestly, I'm not trying to be difficult here, but IMHO there is a difference between standing in one's kitchen and hugging one's adult child who has just lost a sister to a tragically violent murder - and - strolling up behind this same adult child who is being interviewed on a nat'l tv show, locking one's arm around their neck, kissing the back of their head (and I'm sorry if you missed what I perceive as Brad whispering to Byron) and then standing there for, what seemed to be, an inordinate amount of time. ((exhale)):confused:

Maybe I've just been following too many of these dreadful murder cases and have become a caustic cynic. OTOH, my instincts usually serve me well.

I'm not trying to be difficult, either....and I may change my mind as more information becomes available....but if I had just lost my child to murder, and her other parent was involved in that murder, i would not sit and worry about national tv shows being in my yard and who's doing what when i or my other children need comforting of any kind. the only thing about brad nagging at me at this point is the fact that the children were even allowed on NG.

We may come to find that Brad was no better of a parent than AD, but in the meantime, i am glad we are all having a healthy discussion that involves several perspectives. i may miss things if posters just agree with everything i say, and as of late, we have had cases where the only victim in the end was the murdered child, not anyone else in the family, so i can't say with conviction that brad is the angel and AD is the devil....

jmo

[Marrigan]

I feel certain that Brad is trying to keep his entire life from being laid out for public consumption. I am certain he has some secrets to keep... I do not think they rise to anything criminal nor do I believe his purpose is to do anything but try and maintain some respectability for his family.

I keep wondering what statement made Brad get up from watching NG inside and come out on the lawn... I think it may have been "even a convicted felon should get a second chance"... now, there is nothing wrong with that notion, but perhaps not the best thing for him to say at this point. Cheyenne had already spilled some beans, but I firmly believe that if Brad was trying to control the speech of his children, he simply would find the way to prevent them from doing interviews. I really believe that.

It's possible if he whispered it was to remind him to say that people should keep an eye out for kids in trouble. But I don't believe for a minute that they have any big secrets to keep, but only those that would cause us and people like us to rip them to shreds for our own entertainment... because ultimately, that is what we do.

:ohmy: Yikes. Speak for yourself.

[Chica]

It is not easy to catch at first glance. Most of the whisper is done behind the son's head. You could almost hear it.

I don't think any of them should even appear on TV as this is a current investigation. They should be saying nothing at all and Nancy is the last place they should appear. She usually asks prying questions.

[KatieLady]

The only fact I know to be true is that Shaniya was murdered, don't know if she was molested or COD or even where she was murdered. I do not know for a fact WHAT Mr. Lockhart knew before he sent Shaniya off to her mother. Therefore, I cannot criticize what he did until I hear what he actually knew. I do wonder why members of his family and a friend would now criticize him publicly. I see nothing to gain by that other than to further hurt him. If they are critical of his decision they should confront him, not tear down a grieving man on national TV. And if they feel he is faking and not grieving, again confront him, not go on national television. Doing that make me wonder why? We know he is at odds with his in-laws as shown with the law suits. And I think his daughter is also angry with him as she was thrown out of the house. I don't know, but I cannot criticize Mr. Lockhart without real facts of what he knew. I feel his family has an agenda to hurt him even more. jmo

Exactly how I feel Chica! AND.....if they knew of abuse, like they say they did, did they report it??? If not....I don't care what they have to say IMO

[mrsmcgoo]

I've been wondering about this myself Mrs.Mcgoo. I'm really wondering if LE isn't busy scaring up a whole nest of deviants.

Amen to that!

[AmndaRcknwth]

It is not easy to catch at first glance. Most of the whisper is done behind the son's head. You could almost hear it.

I think he said "don't let the shark bite you too hard" (j/k)

Brad has learned a couple lessons this week, I'd be willing to bet on that. A lot of dirty laundry airing, not as much blind compassion as the first night vigil, because of what we now know he knew about the "mother".

He will never forgive himself for his huge mistake.

[Dunlurken]

It is not easy to catch at first glance. Most of the whisper is done behind the son's head. You could almost hear it.

Thank you, thank you, thank you! And the son's eyes.... total alarm! I mentioned this yesterday, the body language is palpable.

Who does Byron live with? JMO.

[Marrigan]

No charges against Brad, so guess we can't go there. As I said, just an observation and JMO.

What you said.:wink:

[hooked2]

I've heard this 60 year old possible suspect referred to many times on the board in the past few days, but have never heard anything about him on the news or seen anything about him in articles...

Sorry that I haven't read all of the threads, but can someone please just tell me at what point was this alert released and if he was ever mentioned again? Are you thinking he was going to buy Shaniya from McNeil at the hotel?

Because, each time I see him mentioned, I feel that he has nothing to do with anything and it was a false lead. I think the key players are in jail and that if anything, it will be Coe that will be brought back in on associated charges.

But, this still doesn't answer the question of what went wrong here? Why is Shaniya dead? Because I don't believe Antoinette and McNeil made an agreement for McNeil to rape and murder. And if not, then Antoinette is more innocent then I believe and some aspect of her call for help was a real attempt to save her daughter.

If the plan was to sell Shaniya permanently to a third party, wouldn't they have included more lead time in this plan prior to calling police? Who would have missed this 5 year old if she wasn't seen for an additional day before making the authorities aware Shaniya was missing? The only person I can think of is Antoinette's sister, otherwise, who would know Shaniya was missing? Her 7 year old brother? - Then they should have made arrangements to meet a "buyer" at night to give several hours of lead time and no one aware Shaniya was not in the trailer, right?

[AmndaRcknwth]

Byron is away at college in Charlotte, not sure of his arrangements (dorm or apt) and he will soon be 21.

[Beasmom]

ITA and I really hope that is part of the holdup with the release of information.

Get them all and hang em high for this!

AMOO

Hang 'em high and leave them--to show the consequences of moral bankruptcy and criminal morals.

Crimes against children are just outrageous. AD, MMcN and the unknown criminal are all equally responsible for Shaniya's death.

Another poster wrote earlier that we have a choice in how we behave, and I agree with that. I am tired of hearing about drugs and poverty and abuse being the reasons why someone murders. It's not good enough anymore. There are people who grow up under devastating circumstances and choose to work hard to make their lives better.

[mrsmcgoo]

Hang 'em high and leave them--to show the consequences of moral bankruptcy and criminal morals.

Crimes against children are just outrageous. AD, MMcN and the unknown criminal are all equally responsible for Shaniya's death.

Another poster wrote earlier that we have a choice in how we behave, and I agree with that. I am tired of hearing about drugs and poverty and abuse being the reasons why someone murders. It's not good enough anymore. There are people who grow up under devastating circumstances and choose to work hard to make their lives better.

Also people who have the very best of life, in material things and in support and love, can turn out to be the monsters we fear.

JMO

[marinewife5]

The only fact I know to be true is that Shaniya was murdered, don't know if she was molested or COD or even where she was murdered. I do not know for a fact WHAT Mr. Lockhart knew before he sent Shaniya off to her mother. Therefore, I cannot criticize what he did until I hear what he actually knew. I do wonder why members of his family and a friend would now criticize him publicly. I see nothing to gain by that other than to further hurt him. If they are critical of his decision they should confront him, not tear down a grieving man on national TV. And if they feel he is faking and not grieving, again confront him, not go on national television. Doing that make me wonder why? We know he is at odds with his in-laws as shown with the law suits. And I think his daughter is also angry with him as she was thrown out of the house. I don't know, but I cannot criticize Mr. Lockhart without real facts of what he knew. I feel his family has an agenda to hurt him even more. jmo

with this case and others, i'm starting to get the feeling that a "reality show" fever is starting to afflict family and friends of crime victims....everyone wants to start a foundation, everyone wants to be in front of the media cameras, everyone tries to create that magical soundbite that gets then the camera time.....as fascinated as i am with these cases and how they relate to the human condition and society, i'm finding myself muddled with the various "shout outs" from peripheral players in these tragedies.

sorry, maybe it's a TBS/USA network day for me, not an HLN/MSNBC day. i want facts. when i want opinion, i come here (and luckily get facts as well). i wand DSS records that show who knew what about the mistreatment or neglect of a child, not a "friend" of the father claiming he kicked his daughter out so she had to go live with him....i'm just becoming so leary of folks these days....

jmo

[Lavinya]

IMO, AD and MMcN allegedly dealt drugs and took drugs, but the two of them are not smart enough to mastermind a drug operation or (I hate to say it) child trafficking/porn/prostitution operation. These two are only links in a chain. It would be great if police could find where that chain leads.

My thinking exactly, Mom.

[FrankieBones1]

I don't think any of them should even appear on TV as this is a current investigation. They should be saying nothing at all and Nancy is the last place they should appear. She usually asks prying questions.

That's probably why he did that. To let his son know to wrap it up quick and get the heck off the interview. Can't say as I blame him.

[Marrigan]

Thank you, all, for a lively informative discussion. But I just rec'd a shipment of Meyer lemons from CA and I'm making marmalade today.
BBL:wub:

[marinewife5]

Byron is away at college in Charlotte, not sure of his arrangements (dorm or apt) and he will soon be 21.

thank you.....so now i take back the remarks about him being a minor and still being interviewed by NG. Still not down with the 15 year old, but what's done is done.

jmo

[Beasmom]

Also people who have the very best of life, in material things and in support and love, can turn out to be the monsters we fear.

JMO

You are so right.

Helllooo, Scott Peterson!

[FrankieBones1]

Byron is away at college in Charlotte, not sure of his arrangements (dorm or apt) and he will soon be 21.

Thanks, Manda. He doesn't look a day over 16.

[KatieLady]

thank you.....so now i take back the remarks about him being a minor and still being interviewed by NG. Still not down with the 15 year old, but what's done is done.

jmo

She isn't living with her Dad....so IMO we get to blame Tim Allan for that one :biggrin:

[Beasmom]

with this case and others, i'm starting to get the feeling that a "reality show" fever is starting to afflict family and friends of crime victims....everyone wants to start a foundation, everyone wants to be in front of the media cameras, everyone tries to create that magical soundbite that gets then the camera time.....as fascinated as i am with these cases and how they relate to the human condition and society, i'm finding myself muddled with the various "shout outs" from peripheral players in these tragedies.

sorry, maybe it's a TBS/USA network day for me, not an HLN/MSNBC day. i want facts. when i want opinion, i come here (and luckily get facts as well). i wand DSS records that show who knew what about the mistreatment or neglect of a child, not a "friend" of the father claiming he kicked his daughter out so she had to go live with him....i'm just becoming so leary of folks these days....

jmo

I agree with your first paragraph. Very good observation. I think also that people expect the CSI element of these cases. They want the sensational forensics and motive. Add to that the reality show mentality and crimes become media-rich opportunities for reporting.

However, reporting also provides us with the coverage to allow society to be outraged enough to object to and demand punishment for these crimes.

[MiamiNice1]

I don't think any of them should even appear on TV as this is a current investigation. They should be saying nothing at all and Nancy is the last place they should appear. She usually asks prying questions.
ITA!! My husband, who usually shows no interest (other than the normal, average compassion when hearing about the cases) is particularly livid about the "television appearances" between the Anthonys, the Haleigh Cummings case and this one.

He keeps saying that these television appearances only create incentive to sickos out there who would love this kind of attention or notoriety! I have to agree, it needs to STOP!

imo

[marinewife5]

She isn't living with her Dad....so IMO we get to blame Tim Allan for that one :biggrin:

something about that situation is creepy to me. maybe unfounded, but i fail to believe that it was as simple as brad deciding she had to move out and tim saving the day. i dunno. i'm also not finding her too credible on the NG show....i didn't realize when i first saw it that it was her sister that was murdered....i thought she was AD's sister, and when i discovered she was shaniya's sister, that made the conversation all the more bizarre to me.

jmo

[aproudmom]

Exactly how I feel Chica! AND.....if they knew of abuse, like they say they did, did they report it??? If not....I don't care what they have to say IMO

My question is why are people not Angy that they did not report it instead of trying to figure out what is being done in a interview 3 days ago. Just saying because Chica made a very good point...and his older daughter did not say any of this the other night and does she not live in this mans home who is NOW saying he offered to take in Shaniya

so she has no reason to be afraid of her father or keep her mouth shut about anything why did she not say this on NG? maybe adults are talking around her a bit to much. JMO

[AJandTam]

ITA!! My husband, who usually shows no interest (other than the normal, average compassion when hearing about the cases) is particularly livid about the "television appearances" between the Anthonys, the Haleigh Cummings case and this one.

He keeps saying that these television appearances only create incentive to sickos out there who would love this kind of attention or notoriety! I have to agree, it needs to STOP!

imo

You know, I didn't think my husband heard a thing I say about my cases.. Didn't believe he paid attention at all til last week when Nick Francisco was found. Then he blew me away. He actually knew the details of that case. . So maybe he's paying more attention than you think..

[Brattnt]

Mornin guys!...I'm gettin a late start today...I finally got to watch the video of Brad and Byron...I dont know, something just seems off about it...I hate to read to much into it though, I know they are both grieving over Shaniya's murder...:crying:

MOO

[mrsmcgoo]

You are so right.

Helllooo, Scott Peterson!


Good example! :thumbsup:

[Chica]

Hang 'em high and leave them--to show the consequences of moral bankruptcy and criminal morals.

Crimes against children are just outrageous. AD, MMcN and the unknown criminal are all equally responsible for Shaniya's death.

Another poster wrote earlier that we have a choice in how we behave, and I agree with that. I am tired of hearing about drugs and poverty and abuse being the reasons why someone murders. It's not good enough anymore. There are people who grow up under devastating circumstances and choose to work hard to make their lives better.

I agree. But, many children are raised to be morally bankrupt by their parents. Many parents and I know some raise their children that there is an easier way to obtain what they want. I have had someone ask me what I did? When I told him that I had retired after working 31 years, they looked at me like I had two heads and asked "why would you want to do THAT"? I kid you not, I was floored, but many people think it foolish to have to work to get what you want out of life.. And this concept was given to them by their parents. Right on TruTV there is the commercial for "Bait Cars" and you can hear the child saying to his mother "This is a stolen vehicle!" He was being taught right there what to do. I applaud those that can break that cycle, but I fear the majority follow in their parents' footsteps

[MiamiNice1]

You know, I didn't think my husband heard a thing I say about my cases.. Didn't believe he paid attention at all til last week when Nick Francisco was found. Then he blew me away. He actually knew the details of that case. . So maybe he's paying more attention than you think..
Yes, I think they do pay attention - lol! Especially living here in Florida with this horrible outbreak of missing children (who are actually killed by their parents!). The Hoax (by the 2 little boys in Port St. Lucie) yesterday was also a watercooler topic!

[hooked2]

:ohmy: Yikes. Speak for yourself.
Yeah, it's an ugly thing to think about, but who here is using this job board to gain valuable info to apply on their job? Or any other real purpose beyond entertainment? We enjoy dissecting the "bad guy" and will do any and everything to turn a "good guy" into a demon. I'm not saying we're different then anyone else in our culture, it's what we do and I freely admit it. Ultimately, this is a whole lot of gossip shared for entertainment with a bit of legal fact thrown in. Call it a hobby if you want, but the real value gained could be accomplished in far less time and with less nosing around in people's lives and shredding of their character.

LE solves crime, attorneys battle in court, juries make the decisions, wardens babysit the bad guys... we are merely curious spectators who are a little more aware of our surroundings than the average person as a result of all of this "education" gained on this board. :shrug: It is what is.

[marinewife5]

My question is why are people not Angy that they did not report it instead of trying to figure out what is being done in a interview 3 days ago. Just saying because Chica made a very good point...and his older daughter did not say any of this the other night and does she not live in this mans home who is NOW saying he offered to take in Shaniya

so she has no reason to be afraid of her father or keep her mouth shut about anything why did she not say this on NG? maybe adults are talking around her a bit to much. JMO

maybe i follow cases too closely, or watch the news too much, but i got that squeeze in the middle of my chest when i read how this man offered to take in shaniya.....i had not known that, and am i the only one who questions the motives of a man offering to take these girls in? am i just paranoid? if you believe a child is being abused, neglected, whatever, you call Child Protective Services, you can call the school the child attends and share your concerns with a guidance counsellor, you may even discuss it with another family member (in this case, aunt carrie), but you don't take them in (with the exception of an emergency situation).....that's making me very uncomfortable.

i do not know this man, and for all i know his intentions were honorable, and necessary. my above opinions are more general than specific to mr. allen.

jmo

[Dunlurken]

Mornin guys!...I'm gettin a late start today...I finally got to watch the video of Brad and Byron...I dont know, something just seems off about it...I hate to read to much into it though, I know they are both grieving over Shaniya's murder...:crying:

MOO

I think we're pretty good at reading people after all the trials we have followed. Sometimes we're right, sometimes we're wrong. But the debate is somewhat healthy in finding justice. Right now.... what happened to Shaniya is first and foremost in my mind.

I do not exclude anyone until all charges have been made and we go to trial. As sick and twisted as that may sound, it's just me. :sad:

[Chica]

Quite a bit of this is starting to make sense now. Bradley wasn't seen in the interviews along with Cheyenne. She is living with other adults now. I don't think Bradley had any say in what she had to say.

And she ONLY had positive things to say about him. I wonder why she has changed her tune? hmmmmmm

[2lakes]

The youtube video was removed of Bryon's interview. Does anyone have another link or photos?

[aproudmom]

She isn't living with her Dad....so IMO we get to blame Tim Allan for that one :biggrin:

omg she is only 15? I did not know that thought she was 17 for some reason.

[AJandTam]

Yes, I think they do pay attention - lol! Especially living here in Florida with this horrible outbreak of missing children (who are actually killed by their parents!). The Hoax (by the 2 little boys in Port St. Lucie) yesterday was also a watercooler topic!

Yes, it is crazy how many cases there. And in NC. It's been women. I found this out following Morgans H's case.

Yeah he listens to me, who knew!. But I don't think he would pay attention if I wasn't rattling in his ears. He has other interest in his head..

[AJandTam]

The youtube video was removed of Bryon's interview. Does anyone have another link or photos?

Hmmmmmmm interesting.

[watson]

I did to but then i thought it could have been his own childs jeans in his car.

Are they long jeans (pants) or shorts/capris? My daughter is super skinny (she's 13) and can and does wear size 6 panties and like a size 8 in shorts and capris.

[jammies]

The youtube video was removed of Bryon's interview. Does anyone have another link or photos?

This person has tons of video's. You might find it here:

http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947

[Chica]

Thanks -- still don't see it but will not belabor it. If he did it was short and could have just been telling him he was doing good or to wrap it up. In any event, don't see anything suspicious or sinister. JMO

I have to run an errand, but will listen with my 200watt speakers to my laptop when I get back..see ya later

[Lynn Gweeny]

The youtube video was removed of Bryon's interview. Does anyone have another link or photos?


Shaniya's Brother Speaks

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/11/18/ng.brother.speaks.cnn

[Dunlurken]

The youtube video was removed of Bryon's interview. Does anyone have another link or photos?
Wow, you're right. I'm stunned. :confused:

[Dustee]

maybe i follow cases too closely, or watch the news too much, but i got that squeeze in the middle of my chest when i read how this man offered to take in shaniya.....i had not known that, and am i the only one who questions the motives of a man offering to take these girls in? am i just paranoid? if you believe a child is being abused, neglected, whatever, you call Child Protective Services, you can call the school the child attends and share your concerns with a guidance counsellor, you may even discuss it with another family member (in this case, aunt carrie), but you don't take them in (with the exception of an emergency situation).....that's making me very uncomfortable.

i do not know this man, and for all i know his intentions were honorable, and necessary. my above opinions are more general than specific to mr. allen.

jmo


It wasn't just "a man", it was a family. He has a wife and children (at least one child, about the same age as Cheyenne).

[Dunlurken]

Sure was. Maybe Nancy's staff is reading this board - is probably copyrighted. :laugh:


http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/11/18/ng.brother.speaks.cnn

This one still works for those that haven't seen it. JMO.

[hooked2]

Thanks CW. This poster seems to have a lot of time on their hands. Too bad they don't use it to volunteer or do some good instead of wreaking havoc on a message board. :rolleyes:
Yes, thanks CW :) The problem is this person is "at work"and claims to be bored... never had a job like that in my life!

[ish]

I understand your point, Xenam, but let's put this in context. Byron was sitting in a chair in the front yard, wired up for sound and being interviewed by Nancy Grace.
Brad knew what was going on.
And that wasn't a hug, it was darn near a choke hold. I haven't seen anyone else mention this, but after watching that clip multiple times, I could swear that one of those lingering kisses to the back of Byron's head included some whispering.
The more I think about this, the more suspicious I become.

my bold

My take on Brad appearing at Byron's interview was slightly different, I thought perhaps Byron was asked/allowed to appear on the show as spokesperson for the family mainly to express their thanks and appreciation to the public for support and to say a few things about Shaniya. I'm sure Brad and the rest of the family were watching live on the TV. Nancy's questioning started going further afield than the scope Brad was comfortable with Byron discussing and he went out to get things back on track. You'll notice how Byron changed the subject from cause of death to thanking everyone for their thoughts and prayers as soon as he realized his father was there. I didn't take Brad as so much threatening as sort of a let's wrap this up and not get into certain areas of questioning. The problem so many of these families end up having with the press is they talk too much and then when topics or areas of their lives that they don't want brought forth are made public they get all defensive and angry. Better to keep a low profile, and get a spokesperson who is not as emotionally involved to make statements. It just seems like once the cameras show up everyone wants to be on TV.

[Dunlurken]

I'm having a problem with the time line. Was Shaniya at AD's home for 5 weeks? Aunt Carey said she dropped her off on October 3l, with clothing for the weekend. Then she was not allowed to come back and get her. JMO.

It would appear that Shaniya was "removed" (taken out of school officially) 5 weeks before her death and it was done by AD. Something isn't adding up here. JMO.

[jadensmokes]

Mr. Allen's interview and revelation that he took the older sister in and asked to take in Shaniya unnerved me too. It's one thing to be close friends with someone, but IMO, Allen was overstepping the boundaries of friendship when A) he took in the older daughter, and B) when he offered to take in Shaniya.

We haven't heard why the older daughter left her father's home. I doubt seriously she was "kicked out". More likely dad imposed some rules that she didn't want to follow.

I think we should consider that this man, Bradly, has raised these children and stepped up to the plate to be more of a father than many fathers of intact families. I give him kudos for that. I know that he had lots of support from his sister (God Bless her!), and possibly girlfriends. I just can't bring myself to fault him at this point in time for anything.

[Dustee]

She isn't living with her Dad....so IMO we get to blame Tim Allan for that one :biggrin:


Why blame Tim Allan for it? He didn't kidnap her.

[marinewife5]

It wasn't just "a man", it was a family. He has a wife and children (at least one child, about the same age as Cheyenne).

Point taken, and I feel a little better knowing it was a family, rather than a single man.

But nonetheless, I would have gone a different route if I were in his position. not because i am heartless, but because i believe problems should be fixed, not ignored.

jmo

[jadensmokes]

I'm having a problem with the time line. Was Shaniya at AD's home for 5 weeks? Aunt Carey said she dropped her off on October 3l, with clothing for the weekend. Then she was not allowed to come back and get her. JMO.

It would appear that Shaniya was "removed" (taken out of school officially) 5 weeks before her death and it was done by AD. Something isn't adding up here. JMO.


IIRC It was October 9th she was initially dropped off with two days worth of clothing.

[KatieLady]

Why blame Tim Allan for it? He didn't kidnap her.

We were talking about the interview that Cheyenne gave on NG.....not the kidnapping.

She was in Tim's custody....he had to give permission for her to do it since she is a minor IMO

[Dunlurken]

IIRC It was October 9th she was initially dropped off with two days worth of clothing.

October 9 was a Friday. October 31 is a Saturday. Why leave Shaniya there for so long?

[darcie]

I don't think any of them should even appear on TV as this is a current investigation. They should be saying nothing at all and Nancy is the last place they should appear. She usually asks prying questions.

Amen, amen, amen.

[Dustee]

We were talking about the interview that Cheyenne gave on NG.....not the kidnapping.

She was in Tim's custody....he had to give permission for her to do it since she is a minor IMO

OK, sorry! I totally misread that - I thought you meant you blame Tim Allan for her living with him.

[hooked2]

Mr. Allen's interview and revelation that he took the older sister in and asked to take in Shaniya unnerved me too. It's one thing to be close friends with someone, but IMO, Allen was overstepping the boundaries of friendship when A) he took in the older daughter, and B) when he offered to take in Shaniya.

We haven't heard why the older daughter left her father's home. I doubt seriously she was "kicked out". More likely dad imposed some rules that she didn't want to follow.

I think we should consider that this man, Bradly, has raised these children and stepped up to the plate to be more of a father than many fathers of intact families. I give him kudos for that. I know that he had lots of support from his sister (God Bless her!), and possibly girlfriends. I just can't bring myself to fault him at this point in time for anything.
We have a single father who works out of town for weeks at a time... how is offering to take care of someone's child overstepping the bounds of friendship? Especially when the father apparently agreed to it?

I think the circumstances of life and work have lead to a very unusual family that utilizes "it takes a village to raise a child."

If Brad's (ex? or then-current?) wife was murdered in 1998 and if Brad was in a custody battle with the children's grandparents in 1998, that tells me he stepped up to the plate and was willing to raise those children then, otherwise, why go to court at all?

So yeah, I don't for a minute think he's perfect, but I believe he has taken his parenting responsibilities much more seriously then many. Bottom line, Antoinette could have had Shaniya all these years, but she didn't. He and Byron obviously have a functional father/son relationship. Brad's obviously close to Carey and she stepped up to the plate as well. For a family that has had much tragedy and made some poor decisions, looks to me like these adults were making things work.

[jadensmokes]

October 9 was a Friday. October 31 is a Saturday. Why leave Shaniya there for so long?

That's the $64 question of the day, isn't it? :smile:

I'm not sure it's been mentioned anywhere why she was dropped off apparently for the weekend, and continued to stay there. We know the dad IIRC was out of town for 3 weeks. Maybe he decided to give AD a chance at bonding and his sister a break from having to care for Shaniya. But, weren't there pics of Shaniya in her Halloween costume? A little fairy, and her brother Byron mentioned her hair being fixed in that picture. I assume that was from this Halloween. And, I remember Byron saying he picked Shaniya up at ADs house on occassion. Then there is rumor (I think) that the Aunt went to get her at ADs house and was refused.

Is there anyone that can clear up that what I've stated above is in fact true? I am going off of memory of just reading here over a period of time, not that I have links!

IMOO!

[ish]

Regarding the feces on the blanket, door handle and railing. Was Coe staying at the house? If so, I am aware that me is HIV positive, and not sure if he has any active AIDS medical problems, but I know that people suffering from AIDS often have a lot of bowel issues, chronic diarrhea and such. I wonder if the blanket was Coe's and he disposed of it in the trash can. I'm sure they will run tests to see if they can determine if the blanket is even related to Shaniya.

Nancy Grace was carrying on the first night or so of this case about the sewer being backed up, the blanket may have been used to clean the mess also.

[Dunlurken]

For a family that has had much tragedy and made some poor decisions, looks to me like these adults were making things work.

snipped to address: Then why was Shaniya sold into prostitution and she's now dead?
:confused:

[texasgal]

Sure was. Maybe Nancy's staff is reading this board - is probably copyrighted. :laugh:


http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/11/18/ng.brother.speaks.cnn

I just don't see anything wrong with this .. :confused:

In fact, I frequently come up from behind my girls when they are helping with dishes, sitting at the computer, or standing in line somewhere and hold them the exact same way he did. Exactly. Including the lingering kiss and "breathing them in" ..

I don't know .. I still see Brad as a grieving father who will forever question himself and his own judgement. Until I know for a fact otherwise, he'll get nothing but grace from me.

Byron looked a bit uncomfortable with the whole process .. lights, camera, action. I think he did a great job .. :thumbup:

[ish]

That's the $64 question of the day, isn't it? :smile:

I'm not sure it's been mentioned anywhere why she was dropped off apparently for the weekend, and continued to stay there. We know the dad IIRC was out of town for 3 weeks. Maybe he decided to give AD a chance at bonding and his sister a break from having to care for Shaniya. But, weren't there pics of Shaniya in her Halloween costume? A little fairy, and her brother Byron mentioned her hair being fixed in that picture. I assume that was from this Halloween. And, I remember Byron saying he picked Shaniya up at ADs house on occassion. Then there is rumor (I think) that the Aunt went to get her at ADs house and was refused.

Is there anyone that can clear up that what I've stated above is in fact true? I am going off of memory of just reading here over a period of time, not that I have links!

IMOO!


my bold

It could be the pics were from Halloween last year, cause I thought the Aunt said she last SAW Shaniya 4 weeks ago, when she dropped her off.

[jadensmokes]

We have a single father who works out of town for weeks at a time... how is offering to take care of someone's child overstepping the bounds of friendship? Especially when the father apparently agreed to it?

I think the circumstances of life and work have lead to a very unusual family that utilizes "it takes a village to raise a child."

If Brad's (ex? or then-current?) wife was murdered in 1998 and if Brad was in a custody battle with the children's grandparents in 1998, that tells me he stepped up to the plate and was willing to raise those children then, otherwise, why go to court at all?

So yeah, I don't for a minute think he's perfect, but I believe he has taken his parenting responsibilities much more seriously then many. Bottom line, Antoinette could have had Shaniya all these years, but she didn't. He and Byron obviously have a functional father/son relationship. Brad's obviously close to Carey and she stepped up to the plate as well. For a family that has had much tragedy and made some poor decisions, looks to me like these adults were making things work.


I totally agree with your assessment of the situation. What I meant by overstepping the boundary of friendship is I felt like perhaps Mr. Allen was stepping in when he shouldn't as far as Cheyann goes. I am relating to my own teen years when I thought my parents were full of it and knew absolutely nothing. When in reality they knew what was best for me and why.

I feel like Mr. Allen may have interceded where a father was trying to lay the law down for his teenage daughter who rebelled against his restrictions...it's all conjecture mind you. And, it's based on the fact that Mr. Allen has come out publically and more or less has threwn Brad under the bus. Just seemed fishy to me is all.

I do agree in this unique family, that it does indeed take a village, and I think that was Brad's thinking as well.

[mrsmcgoo]

Regarding the feces on the blanket, door handle and railing. Was Coe staying at the house? If so, I am aware that me is HIV positive, and not sure if he has any active AIDS medical problems, but I know that people suffering from AIDS often have a lot of bowel issues, chronic diarrhea and such. I wonder if the blanket was Coe's and he disposed of it in the trash can. I'm sure they will run tests to see if they can determine if the blanket is even related to Shaniya.

Nancy Grace was carrying on the first night or so of this case about the sewer being backed up, the blanket may have been used to clean the mess also.

I don't agree about the Coe thing, or at least I don't think the same.

One thing is for sure though, it wouldn't fizz those people to use a child's blanket to clean up a sewer mess. I still have my daughter's blanket that she carried around and slept with until it got embarrassing for her. Those human's that Shaniya was staying with wouldn't give a rats behind if Shaniya needed her blanket to sleep or hug at night. :crying:

JMO

[KatieLady]

I didn't know that Shaniya was born on Valentines Day :sad:

[4Kids]

snipped to address: Then why was Shaniya sold into prostitution and she's now dead?
:confused:

Ummm....because this child's egg donor was an evil, twisted person who valued her child so little that she gave her to a grown man for sex. Most decent people (and I believe decent people have many flaws) would never even consider that anyone...let alone a "mother" would be so depraved. You hear it on TV. See it on SVU, but never think it would happen in your own family. I hope this woman rots...but I think she will feel very little guilt and Brad and his family will fall apart from it. Funny that.

IMO

[veejaye]

Thanks Angellaw, AJ&Tam, Sammy62 and all other on board who put together the list of characters in this case. :wub:

[Beasmom]

snipped to address: Then why was Shaniya sold into prostitution and she's now dead?
:confused:

I agree. I am so tired of hearing about people making "bad decisions." Puh-leeez. "Oh, he's really a good boy. He just made some bad decisions."

imo

[Beasmom]

I don't agree about the Coe thing, or at least I don't think the same.

One thing is for sure though, it wouldn't fizz those people to use a child's blanket to clean up a sewer mess. I still have my daughter's blanket that she carried around and slept with until it got embarrassing for her. Those human's that Shaniya was staying with wouldn't give a rats behind if Shaniya needed her blanket to sleep or hug at night. :crying:

JMO

Mrs. Magoo! Don't bring the poor rat's behind into it!!!!!!!! The rat didn't do anything.

[jammies]

snipped to address: Then why was Shaniya sold into prostitution and she's now dead?
:confused:


ITA Making it work?? Neighbors raising one child. Grandparents raising the other. Shaniya bounced from dad, aunt, AD, girlfriends and that list is growing every day.
Another baby out there somewhere....

Yikes. If this is how people make their families work nowadays our kids are in big trouble. IMO

[hooked2]

October 9 was a Friday. October 31 is a Saturday. Why leave Shaniya there for so long?
Yes, there is still confusion over these dates. Brad said Shaniya went to live with Antoinette on Oct. 9. Carey did mention the 31st in an interview but now I wonder if she wasn't confused due to shock and grief? But someone (Brad during presser questions? IIRC) did say that Shaniya stayed with Carey a few times during that 5 week period.

In an early interview, Carey did indicate Shaniya was not living with Antoinette and that's when the "you'll never see her again" issue came in, yet Brad never clarified that issue and continued to use the term "live with" as opposed to stressing it was only intended to be temporary or a visit-- every day I thought he would come out and say, "I never sent Shaniya to live with her mother." Yet, he never did and perhaps Shaniya was sent to "live with" Antoinette... as much as I don't like or understand that. :confused:

Perhaps it was simply that Shaniya would live with Antoinette while Brad was away, but Carey was to have visitation and Antoinette threw the wrench in that.

Now, all of this confusion could be because LE asked that further info not be revealed? :shrug: who knows...

[Beasmom]

ITA Making it work?? Neighbors raising one child. Grandparents raising the other. Shaniya bounced from dad, aunt, AD, girlfriends and that list is growing every day.
Another baby out there somewhere....

Yikes. If this is how people make their families work nowadays our kids are in big trouble. IMO

I am getting to the point where I am starting to agree with news commentators talking about things like mandatory sterilization for drug criminals. AD was not fit to be around Shaniya--and we can only hope that the baby she is carrying is never around that rogue's gallery of friends AD has. And who knows what condition the baby will be in? Has AD been doing drugs while pregnant? Can the authorities charge her with reckless endangerment of a child if she has been doing drugs?

Forgive me. I am just so mad about this case. I get more and more frustrated with each crime against a child that is reported.

[4Kids]

I am getting to the point where I am starting to agree with news commentators talking about things like mandatory sterilization for drug criminals. AD was not fit to be around Shaniya--and we can only hope that the baby she is carrying is never around that rogue's gallery of friends AD has. And who knows what condition the baby will be in? Has AD been doing drugs while pregnant? Can the authorities charge her with reckless endangerment of a child if she has been doing drugs?

Forgive me. I am just so mad about this case. I get more and more frustrated with each crime against a child that is reported.

I am mad too, Beas. It sickens me.

Here is my problem with this case....AD does not have a police record that I am aware of. No drug arrests...nothing. So how do we a society decide what people should or should not have children. I know crack addicts who take better care of their babies than the some white collar well to do families.

From 1000 feet up, I would never have seen this coming. Perhaps I am alone. Intact families with two parents are not the only successful ones. Persons on drugs can raise children. But how do you seperate the monsters from the others? IMO

Sadly....children always pay the price for their parents sins. They always have, and always will. The sins these days seem so very much worse, though. IMO

[KatieLady]

Shaniya Davis was only five. She liked playing dress-up and dancing to the tunes of soulful music.

http://www.essence.com/news/breaking_news/shaniya_davis.php?xid=061709-emailpitch-shaniya

Interview with Byron

[mrsmcgoo]

Shaniya Davis was only five. She liked playing dress-up and dancing to the tunes of soulful music.

http://www.essence.com/news/breaking_news/shaniya_davis.php?xid=061709-emailpitch-shaniya

Interview with Byron

Just read this too, about her wanting the flip flops that lit up.....:crying:

[hooked2]

I am getting to the point where I am starting to agree with news commentators talking about things like mandatory sterilization for drug criminals. AD was not fit to be around Shaniya--and we can only hope that the baby she is carrying is never around that rogue's gallery of friends AD has. And who knows what condition the baby will be in? Has AD been doing drugs while pregnant? Can the authorities charge her with reckless endangerment of a child if she has been doing drugs?

Forgive me. I am just so mad about this case. I get more and more frustrated with each crime against a child that is reported.
Nothing to forgive :smile: I'd like it to be much more stringent then that! There should be an extensive series of tests to both get pregnant and to get married :angry:

As a side note- have you seen how expensive condoms are now? I saw recently and was shocked! Thought to myself, well that is at least part of the problem!

[ish]

I don't agree about the Coe thing, or at least I don't think the same.

One thing is for sure though, it wouldn't fizz those people to use a child's blanket to clean up a sewer mess. I still have my daughter's blanket that she carried around and slept with until it got embarrassing for her. Those human's that Shaniya was staying with wouldn't give a rats behind if Shaniya needed her blanket to sleep or hug at night. :crying:

JMO

It's also possible Shaniya got up to go to the bathroom carrying her blanket, the toilet backed up, soiling the floor and the blanket and that is how she ended up in the living room at 5 am. Till we know whose feces were on the blanket it's a mystery.

[hooked2]

Addition to last post:

Yesterday evening we were talking a lot about CPS and the need to take more kids, yet the shortage of foster homes and group homes. Raising taxes wouldn't solve the problem as more loving homes and workers would be needed to take care of additional foster kids...

But, perhaps if we raised taxes to allow for free condoms and birth control pills to be given out at every convenience store and free hysterectomies, tied tubes, and vasectomies to anyone who wanted it, we'd be able to solve this problem with far less money and heartache!

[jammies]

I am getting to the point where I am starting to agree with news commentators talking about things like mandatory sterilization for drug criminals. AD was not fit to be around Shaniya--and we can only hope that the baby she is carrying is never around that rogue's gallery of friends AD has. And who knows what condition the baby will be in? Has AD been doing drugs while pregnant? Can the authorities charge her with reckless endangerment of a child if she has been doing drugs?

Forgive me. I am just so mad about this case. I get more and more frustrated with each crime against a child that is reported.


I'm at that point too, Bea. Do we know how far along AD is in her pregnancy?

[ish]

Nothing to forgive :smile: I'd like it to be much more stringent then that! There should be an extensive series of tests to both get pregnant and to get married :angry:

As a side note- have you seen how expensive condoms are now? I saw recently and was shocked! Thought to myself, well that is at least part of the problem!

Still cheaper than supporting a child for 18 or more years :laugh: Around here a lot of the health departments will readily supply free condoms, that started back when AIDS was brought to widespread public attention.

[ish]

Addition to last post:

Yesterday evening we were talking a lot about CPS and the need to take more kids, yet the shortage of foster homes and group homes. Raising taxes wouldn't solve the problem as more loving homes and workers would be needed to take care of additional foster kids...

But, perhaps if we raised taxes to allow for free condoms and birth control pills to be given out at every convenience store and free hysterectomies, tied tubes, and vasectomies to anyone who wanted it, we'd be able to solve this problem with far less money and heartache!

Great idea, but a lot of stuff is readily available, the people who should be taking advantage of it don't bother to. I guess they "want" these children, despite the fact that they abuse, neglect and sometimes murder them and can't afford to maintain a decent place for them to live or give them the basic things a child needs.

[hooked2]

Originally Posted by Marrigan View Post

You're right. RAPE isn't about sex. It's about control, power and humilation.

http://kidshealth.org/teen/your_mind/problems/rape_what_to_do.html
You know, I've heard this so many times and even subscribed to that belief because I was given this info by my psych and sociology professors... seen it, heard it, read it over and over. I don't buy it anymore. I've mulled this over in my mind time and time again. There is a sexual element to rape and the longterm denial of that has lead to more rapes and further victimization of many women IMO.

[spiritwolf46]

Shaniya Davis was only five. She liked playing dress-up and dancing to the tunes of soulful music.

http://www.essence.com/news/breaking_news/shaniya_davis.php?xid=061709-emailpitch-shaniya

Interview with Byron

This case has really hit me! The thought of what this little girl went through in her last moments of her precious little life just makes me so terribly sick to my stomach.

What truly got to me was her holding on , with her little trusting hands, to the man who probably killed her.

I just cannot fathom these things happening to our little children.

When are our laws going to kick in and PROTECT these kids from the horrors that are out there?

I for one, am tired of it. :cursing:
:crying:

[hooked2]

snipped to address: Then why was Shaniya sold into prostitution and she's now dead?
:confused:
I wasn't talking about Antoinette, was talking about Brad and Aunt Carey. Because regardless of anyone's opinion, I guarantee they never thought Antoinette was capable of doing this and never foresaw these results.

[Lynn Gweeny]

SBI: Crime lab waiting on evidence in Shaniya Davis case

"The crime lab has not yet received evidence in this case but will process it as soon as the evidence is submitted to the lab," Noelle Talley, an SBI spokeswoman, said in an e-mail today.

http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/19/953645

[mrsmcgoo]

Mrs. Magoo! Don't bring the poor rat's behind into it!!!!!!!! The rat didn't do anything.

Very true! lol

[hooked2]

hooked2,
Sorry, :ohmy: didn't mean to offend you. I will see if my post and link can be deleted. :blushing:
Oh no :sad: No, please, you didn't offend me at all! I was just adding my thoughts on the issue.

[ish]

Great ideas. Then we have to have maybe what? Government mandates about it. At what age would the condoms, bc pills, etc be handed out? Rhetorical questions of course.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. Having all these things available (and they are now), isn't going to change the mindset of people who continue to engage in casual encounters or who are in relationships and just don't bother to use precautions. The government can't force people to act responsibly. But I do think the acceptence of out of wedlock children and the general decline of morals in society plays a big part.

[hooked2]

And I've seen this offer to delete a post a couple of times in the last few days... is that the new trend on the board? If someone doesn't agree with a post the poster must then apologize and delete it to stay in favor with the group? Or is it kidding?

Because seriously, I'd hate to see people so afraid to speak their mind here and so quick to apologize for their thoughts and opinions...

*hugs Elyssa*

[jammies]

:thumbsup: PHEWWW
Good, I certainly didn't want to offend with my comment and link.

I hope we all know eachother enough now that anything we post won't offend. We are just posting our feelings, speculations and HOPEFULLY we give eachother a pass if we dont agree!

It's wonderful that we have eachother to VENT with....no matter how we see things.

Thanks to ALL of you great posters!

[5boxersmom]

Nancy Grace Shocking details continually emerging in the tragic death of 5-yr-old Shaniya Davis. New warrants reportedly say suspect Mario McNeill picked up the little girl from outside her home the morning she vanished! Investigators reportedly retrieved 11 bags of evidence from his vehicle including children’s clothing, DNA, and... blankets! Shaniya was last seen alive on hotel surveillance video allegedly in the arms of McNeill before her body was discovered among animal carcasses in a nearby wooded area. Tune in tonight for all of the latest!

http://www.facebook.com/#/NancyGraceHLN?ref=nf

Outside? Hmmm.

[jammies]

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. Having all these things available (and they are now), isn't going to change the mindset of people who continue to engage in casual encounters or who are in relationships and just don't bother to use precautions. The government can't force people to act responsibly. But I do think the acceptence of out of wedlock children and the general decline of morals in society plays a big part.


ITA Teach your children well. And give them something LARGER than themselves to believe in.

[hooked2]

I totally agree with your assessment of the situation. What I meant by overstepping the boundary of friendship is I felt like perhaps Mr. Allen was stepping in when he shouldn't as far as Cheyann goes. I am relating to my own teen years when I thought my parents were full of it and knew absolutely nothing. When in reality they knew what was best for me and why.

I feel like Mr. Allen may have interceded where a father was trying to lay the law down for his teenage daughter who rebelled against his restrictions...it's all conjecture mind you. And, it's based on the fact that Mr. Allen has come out publically and more or less has threwn Brad under the bus. Just seemed fishy to me is all.

I do agree in this unique family, that it does indeed take a village, and I think that was Brad's thinking as well.

Ah, ok! I just see Cheyenne's living circumstances as an extension of the need for other arrangements because dad is gone so much and she couldn't stay at home by herself. The article mentioned he has daughters her age and so Cheyenne attends high school with them as well.

[mrsmcgoo]

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. Having all these things available (and they are now), isn't going to change the mindset of people who continue to engage in casual encounters or who are in relationships and just don't bother to use precautions. The government can't force people to act responsibly. But I do think the acceptence of out of wedlock children and the general decline of morals in society plays a big part.


Bolding what I would like to address. These things happen, they always have and they always will.

Regardless of the conditions that Shaniya was brought into this world, makes no difference. It doesn't effect anything now does it? It doesn't make her life more or less valuable anyone elses.

JMO

[veejaye]

That's the $64 question of the day, isn't it? :smile:

I'm not sure it's been mentioned anywhere why she was dropped off apparently for the weekend, and continued to stay there. We know the dad IIRC was out of town for 3 weeks. Maybe he decided to give AD a chance at bonding and his sister a break from having to care for Shaniya. But, weren't there pics of Shaniya in her Halloween costume? A little fairy, and her brother Byron mentioned her hair being fixed in that picture. I assume that was from this Halloween. And, I remember Byron saying he picked Shaniya up at ADs house on occassion. Then there is rumor (I think) that the Aunt went to get her at ADs house and was refused.

Is there anyone that can clear up that what I've stated above is in fact true? I am going off of memory of just reading here over a period of time, not that I have links!

IMOO!

According to some media articles Carey Lockhart, the Aunt, said she took Shaniya to stay with Antoinette for a few days. She said she only packed enough clothes to last Shaniya a few days. When she tried to make arrangements to pick up Shaniya, Antoinette refused to give her back. Brad and Antoinette did not have a court ordered custody agreement that Carey could have used to force Antoinette to give the child back. Also articles have stated that Antoinette called Carey shortly before Shaniya disappeared and told Carey that she would never see Shaniya again. Carey has said in interviews that she and Antoinette did not get along because she disapproved of how Antoinette reared her children.

This is the Aunt's version. However, some articles quote the Aunt and Brad giving different dates for when Shaniya was dropped off with the mother.

[hooked2]

Outside? Hmmm.
*waves to 5boxersmom*

I think there is the possibility she did venture out while Antoinette was still asleep and he took advantage of a situation...

I think it's possible he may have spent the night at the trailer...

I also think Shaniya knew him and was comfortable with him. I don't think she looked uncomfortable at the hotel, nor do I see the crossed feet as being indicative of trauma, fear, or self protection as an NG talking head said, but simply the way he was holding her and the way his bicep and arm caused her legs and feet to be positioned.

So, I could just as easily see Antoinette pointing the way out the door for Shaniya to get into his car for whatever made up reason.

So, I think a lot, but don't know much :huh:

Oh, one question I haven't seen addressed: Antoinette said Shaniya went "back to bed" at 5:30, the last time she saw her... Why was Shaniya up before then? When did she get up? Did someone get her up? What was going on in that interum before she went "back to bed?"... my inquiring mind wants to know :smile:

[Chica]

ITA Teach your children well. And give them something LARGER than themselves to believe in.

What a powerful statement !! I so agree with you.

[GentleBreeze]

You know, I've heard this so many times and even subscribed to that belief because I was given this info by my psych and sociology professors... seen it, heard it, read it over and over. I don't buy it anymore. I've mulled this over in my mind time and time again. There is a sexual element to rape and the longterm denial of that has lead to more rapes and further victimization of many women IMO.

I totally agree with you hooded2.

I have never believed it. It's hogwash imo. The forbidden sexual urges whether the victim be a child or whether an adult is what spurs the rapists on and of course they look for a victim that they think they can control and have dominance over so they can complete their sexual acts.

We need not kid ourselves....Mellisa Huckaby had a deep deviant desire to sexually violate Sandra Cantu and that is why it happened and why she murdered her after she violated her. Of course she looked for someone that she could easily overpower and control. That is just logical. And she is like countless other pedophiles of both genders who also does the same. If it was not for these sick sexual desires then they would not want to rape and sexually torture their victims.

imo

[Lavinya]

:thumbsup: PHEWWW
Good, I certainly didn't want to offend with my comment and link.

Hey Elyssa, I'm not hooked, lol, but I say leave your post on the board. There is room for everyone's thoughts as long as they are respectful. :wub:

[hooked2]

Oh, one question I haven't seen addressed: Antoinette said Shaniya went "back to bed" at 5:30, the last time she saw her... Why was Shaniya up before then? When did she get up? Did someone get her up? What was going on in that interum before she went "back to bed?"... my inquiring mind wants to know :smile:
Oh, wait a minute... isn't the hotel 40 minutes away from the trailer, and wasn't McNeil seen with Shaniya at 6:11 on that camera?

That means she knew damned good and well Shaniya was taken from the home at 5:30- the last time she saw her :angry:

Thank God LE are on top of this instead of me, :blushing: this of course is the reason Antoinette was questioned long and hard enough to give out some details, right ? *bonks self in head*

[marinewife5]

According to some media articles Carey Lockhart, the Aunt, said she took Shaniya to stay with Antoinette for a few days. She said she only packed enough clothes to last Shaniya a few days. When she tried to make arrangements to pick up Shaniya, Antoinette refused to give her back. Brad and Antoinette did not have a court ordered custody agreement that Carey could have used to force Antoinette to give the child back. Also articles have stated that Antoinette called Carey shortly before Shaniya disappeared and told Carey that she would never see Shaniya again. Carey has said in interviews that she and Antoinette did not get along because she disapproved of how Antoinette reared her children.

This is the Aunt's version. However, some articles quote the Aunt and Brad giving different dates for when Shaniya was dropped off with the mother.

bbm

even with a formal custody agreement, the aunt would have had no power to enforce that agreement. i'm not saying that's how it should be, i'm just saying that's how it is. i am currently an aunt in a horrible custody situation, and i have yet to find a loophole that lets me intervene, and i have no PROOF of anything that would enable me to get the state involved.

jmo

[Lynn Gweeny]

Description and Photos of the Comfort Suites Hotel in Sanford from a local posting at WS:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4458095&postcount=473

[hooked2]

Hey Elyssa, I'm not hooked, lol, but I say leave your post on the board. There is room for everyone's thoughts as long as they are respectful. :wub:
Absolutely, I concur! And, well, I am hooked :laugh:

[Chica]

Bolding what I would like to address. These things happen, they always have and they always will.

Regardless of the conditions that Shaniya was brought into this world, makes no difference. It doesn't effect anything now does it? It doesn't make her life more or less valuable anyone elses.

JMO


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Originally Posted by ish View Post
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. Having all these things available (and they are now), isn't going to change the mindset of people who continue to engage in casual encounters or who are in relationships and just don't bother to use precautions. The government can't force people to act responsibly. But I do think the acceptence of out of wedlock children and the general decline of morals in society plays a big part.


I agree with you MrsM, things do happen, BUT it is the acceptance that has made children born out of wedlock the normal route to go now. No one gives it a second thought nowadays when children are having children..and even to grandparents taking care of them. Again, I am old fashioned in my thinking, but I still believe in being responsible for all of your actions. I am not saying women who get pregnant should be punished or anything like that, ONLY the shift in how society now ignores and therefore condones this is what I shake my head at. imo

[veejaye]

It was reported yesterday that she was picked up outside. Not sure which thread that's on though, 5boxermom.

The arrest warrant for Mario McNeil said that he said that he picked up Shaniya in front of her house. Whether he had also been in Antoinette house that morning and was shading the truth is anybody's guess at this point. However, reportedly there were surveillance cameras in the trailer. And their contents have not been described or released to the press. But Mario knew that the hotel surveillance tapes and other information LE had incriminated him in a potential capital case.