11/17 PT II to thru 11/18 ----Shaniya Positively Identified

[marinewife5]

please continue....

[jammies]

Presser tomorrow at 10AM?


Not sure I even want to know what the new info is.

If they didn't get an outside tip then must mean Mario spilled.

[Mayasmimi]

please continue....

Thanks for the new thread.

[2Hope4]

Thanks so much! I had just asked if someone would start another thread, and BOOM< you had one!

Now, to bring over a comment I made at the end of the other thread.

Cheyenne is only 17yrs old. She has lived through two horrific circumstances in her life now, that we are aware of. I would imagine she is in a state of shock. So please take that into consideration when questioning her thoughts, and responses on NG last night. I can't imagine just learning that my 5yr sister had been murdered!

Second thought in response to someone's post concerning birth certificates. If the parents are married, the mother can fill out the form without the father's permission, and it is assumed that the child will carry his name, or that his permission has been given for the child to carry his name. If the couple are NOT married, and the mother wants to use the father's last name, the he MUST be present, and sign in front of a notary stating that the child is his, and he agrees to the using of his last name. If the mother wants the child to carry her last name, she can simply list the father as unknown. You cannot name a man as the father without his concent while filling out the forms in the hospital. Of course that can change with court orders at a later date if the father WANTS the child to have his name, and the mother doesn't.

[marinewife5]

Presser tomorrow at 10AM?


Not sure I even want to know what the new info is.

If they didn't get an outside tip then must mean Mario spilled.

I'm betting he did....i think they'll replace the kidnapping charge (which made more sense before the mother was arrested) with a murder charge and trafficking

jmo

[jammies]

I'm betting he did....i think they'll replace the kidnapping charge (which made more sense before the mother was arrested) with a murder charge and trafficking

jmo


Yep. I don't see anyone being involved. Still odd though, that he found that particular place in the woods with dead deer and trash. hmmm

[MiamiNice1]

http://fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/17/953014

Here ya go. I couldn't find the article I read over the weekend, but this will provide you with some information.

Notice in the article that the Lockharts had been married 7 years.

(Byron was 10 at the time of his mother's death)

THEN, it goes on to say that the couple had 3 children together - so I assume that would be Byron, Cheyenne and Chivas? And Michelle Coleman came from a previous relationship.

If Byron was 10 at mother's death, maybe Vicki and Brad conceived Byron while they were NOT yet married - in other words, before they were married?

That would explain Byron being known first as Byron Lockhart? Then when his mother tragically died, he did as Calla said on the other thread - to honor his mother, he took her maiden name? :confused:

[Mayasmimi]

Presser tomorrow at 10AM?


Not sure I even want to know what the new info is.

If they didn't get an outside tip then must mean Mario spilled.

Know what ya mean. We've heard that he and Davis have not been cooperative. Thinking the only way he'd spill is if he was offered a plea deal. But that doesn't make sense if, as I assume, he killed the baby. No more talk about the 60 yeard old man everyone was looking for. It's obvious Davis did not kill Shaniya....well, not directly. OMG.....I can't stand this.:crying:

[AnnieKins]

please continue....

Thanks for the new thread, MW. Smooch! :wub:

[AnnieKins]

Thanks so much! I had just asked if someone would start another thread, and BOOM< you had one!

Now, to bring over a comment I made at the end of the other thread.

Cheyenne is only 17yrs old. She has lived through two horrific circumstances in her life now, that we are aware of. I would imagine she is in a state of shock. So please take that into consideration when questioning her thoughts, and responses on NG last night. I can't imagine just learning that my 5yr sister had been murdered!
Second thought in response to someone's post concerning birth certificates. If the parents are married, the mother can fill out the form without the father's permission, and it is assumed that the child will carry his name, or that his permission has been given for the child to carry his name. If the couple are NOT married, and the mother wants to use the father's last name, the he MUST be present, and sign in front of a notary stating that the child is his, and he agrees to the using of his last name. If the mother wants the child to carry her last name, she can simply list the father as unknown. You cannot name a man as the father without his concent while filling out the forms in the hospital. Of course that can change with court orders at a later date if the father WANTS the child to have his name, and the mother doesn't.

BBM Hope... very good point. My hubs and I were questioning her demeanour last night, and that's what we came down to as well. The poor little thing.

[Mayasmimi]

Notice in the article that the Lockharts had been married 7 years.

(Byron was 10 at the time of his mother's death)

THEN, it goes on to say that the couple had 3 children together - so I assume that would be Byron, Cheyenne and Chivas? And Michelle Coleman came from a previous relationship.

If Byron was 10 at mother's death, maybe Vicki and Brad conceived Byron while they were NOT yet married - in other words, before they were married?

That would explain Byron being known first as Byron Lockhart? Then when his mother tragically died, he did as Calla said on the other thread - to honor his mother, he took her maiden name? :confused:

Thinking the same. Not to stir the pot...but one article I read today stated that Bradley has 6 children with three different women. Take that back, it was a video on WRAL.

[marinewife5]

Thanks for the new thread, MW. Smooch! :wub:

anything for my peeps :wub:

this case is just gonna get worse and worse....i dread the cause of death information

[TaraCrazyHair]

Thanks so much! I had just asked if someone would start another thread, and BOOM< you had one!

Now, to bring over a comment I made at the end of the other thread.

Cheyenne is only 17yrs old. She has lived through two horrific circumstances in her life now, that we are aware of. I would imagine she is in a state of shock. So please take that into consideration when questioning her thoughts, and responses on NG last night. I can't imagine just learning that my 5yr sister had been murdered!

Second thought in response to someone's post concerning birth certificates. If the parents are married, the mother can fill out the form without the father's permission, and it is assumed that the child will carry his name, or that his permission has been given for the child to carry his name. If the couple are NOT married, and the mother wants to use the father's last name, the he MUST be present, and sign in front of a notary stating that the child is his, and he agrees to the using of his last name. If the mother wants the child to carry her last name, she can simply list the father as unknown. You cannot name a man as the father without his concent while filling out the forms in the hospital. Of course that can change with court orders at a later date if the father WANTS the child to have his name, and the mother doesn't.

That may be a state to state thing

Here, if unmarried, you can list the father's name on the BC and give the baby his last name ... even if they are not involved in your life o not present to sign

Then comes paternity testing if seeking child support

[birdwatch]

Thanks so much! I had just asked if someone would start another thread, and BOOM< you had one!

Now, to bring over a comment I made at the end of the other thread.

Cheyenne is only 17yrs old. She has lived through two horrific circumstances in her life now, that we are aware of. I would imagine she is in a state of shock. So please take that into consideration when questioning her thoughts, and responses on NG last night. I can't imagine just learning that my 5yr sister had been murdered!

Second thought in response to someone's post concerning birth certificates. If the parents are married, the mother can fill out the form without the father's permission, and it is assumed that the child will carry his name, or that his permission has been given for the child to carry his name. If the couple are NOT married, and the mother wants to use the father's last name, the he MUST be present, and sign in front of a notary stating that the child is his, and he agrees to the using of his last name. If the mother wants the child to carry her last name, she can simply list the father as unknown. You cannot name a man as the father without his concent while filling out the forms in the hospital. Of course that can change with court orders at a later date if the father WANTS the child to have his name, and the mother doesn't. WOW - problem for a father who is overseas in the armed forces - or for one who is incarcerated.

[Dustee]

What is Brad's girlfriend/fiance's name? Haven't heard a peep outta her.

[TaraCrazyHair]

I heard on Jane V. earlier that Antoinette is pregnant ... and by the man she accused

I gather this is not Mario but somebody else?

TIA for clearing this up

[Ladygator]

There are alot of things about this case that aren't making sense. I hope we get a better grasp of what happened from LE tommorrow.

Did Mario really just get ahold of Shaniya early that morning? Or did he have her all night? A hotel? For an hour? Was this hotel a common place for him, and others involved, to use for drug activity, prostitution, etc? If he was the one Mom sold her to, for sex, why did he kill her? If it was okay, with the Mom? {sick, I know} Why did she call LE and report that she was missing? Did both of them, in an instant, stop trusting one another? Is someone else involved? Was Mario the middle man?

So many questions!!

[Calla]

Notice in the article that the Lockharts had been married 7 years.

(Byron was 10 at the time of his mother's death)

THEN, it goes on to say that the couple had 3 children together - so I assume that would be Byron, Cheyenne and Chivas? And Michelle Coleman came from a previous relationship.

If Byron was 10 at mother's death, maybe Vicki and Brad conceived Byron while they were NOT yet married - in other words, before they were married?

That would explain Byron being known first as Byron Lockhart? Then when his mother tragically died, he did as Calla said on the other thread - to honor his mother, he took her maiden name? :confused:
or he never had his fathers name legally....my grandchild doesnt even tho his parents are married..they were not when he was born & it just was never changed

he likes it the way it is ..lol

people call me by names other than my real one all the time.:laugh:
a name isnt that big a deal

[Mayasmimi]

That may be a state to state thing

Here, if unmarried, you can list the father's name on the BC and give the baby his last name ... even if they are not involved in your life o not present to sign

Then comes paternity testing if seeking child support

Hey there Tara!

Yeah....I can attest to that. My ex and I were not married when our son was born and I signed the BC and listed his Daddy as the Father and signed it myself. No questions asked.

[Calla]

There are alot of things about this case that aren't making sense. I hope we get a better grasp of what happened from LE tommorrow.

Did Mario really just get ahold of Shaniya early that morning? Or did he have her all night? A hotel? For an hour? Was this hotel a common place for him, and others involved, to use for drug activity, prostitution, etc? If he was the one Mom sold her to, for sex, why did he kill her? If it was okay, with the Mom? {sick, I know} Why did she call LE and report that she was missing? Did both of them, in an instant, stop trusting one another? Is someone else involved? Was Mario the middle man?

So many questions!!

my gut tells me the reason she was put on the sofa at 5:30 am is because that is when they arrived home...and we don't even know if it was that time.

I get home around five, or after five everyday but I rarely know what time. And if the neighbor heard noise around 3 am then maybe it wasnt five but she thot it was five when she got home.
Who could know

[TaraCrazyHair]

Hey there Tara!

Yeah....I can attest to that. My ex and I were not married when our son was born and I signed the BC and listed his Daddy as the Father and signed it myself. No questions asked.

Hi MM!

My daughter did the very same thing 3 months ago

[Mayasmimi]

I heard on Jane V. earlier that Antoinette is pregnant ... and by the man she accused

I gather this is not Mario but somebody else?

TIA for clearing this up

Coe...the first man arrested.

[Dustee]

OMG!!! 3 people are on now saying they had seen cigarette burns on Shaniya!!!!! That's why they offered to take her but Brad refused their offer! One of Brad's friends had taken in Cheyenne after Brad kicked her out!!!!

Cheyenne is saying that Brad had NOT been in Shaniya's life that much, that his ex girlfriend and others had raised her.

My hinky meter is really going off now...


found this online:

http://chatham.mync.com/site/Chatham/news/story/44620/some-claim-shaniya-davis-was-at-risk-and-needed-a-better-home/

[TaraCrazyHair]

Coe...the first man arrested.

Thanks! I was a bit confused

She accused him of taking that poor baby all the time knowing Mario had her?

I have not closely followed this case until the past couple days ... that video of her going into the hotel was just too gut wrenching

[MiamiNice1]

or he never had his fathers name legally....my grandchild doesnt even tho his parents are married..they were not when he was born & it just was never changed

he likes it the way it is ..lol

people call me by names other than my real one all the time.:laugh:
a name isnt that big a deal

BBM - I'm thinking the same, Calla. Maybe the 3 years before his mother and father were married, he had the name officially on BC as Coleman. We aren't privvy to what happened those inital 3 years, before the Lockharts were actually married.

imo

[MiamiNice1]

OMG!!! 3 people are on now saying they had seen cigarette burns on Shaniya!!!!! That's why they offered to take her but Brad refused their offer! One of Brad's friends had taken in Cheyenne after Brad kicked her out!!!!

Cheyenne is saying that Brad had NOT been in Shaniya's life that much, that his ex girlfriend and others had raised her.

My hinky meter is really going off now...
Whaaaaat???? :scared:

[Mayasmimi]

Thanks! I was a bit confused

She accused him of taking that poor baby all the time knowing Mario had her?

I have not closely followed this case until the past couple days ... that video of her going into the hotel was just too gut wrenching

Most welcome Tara. There's more, maybe, that I dare not mention. This case is incredibly sad.

[BanX3]

OMG!!! 3 people are on now saying they had seen cigarette burns on Shaniya!!!!! That's why they offered to take her but Brad refused their offer! One of Brad's friends had taken in Cheyenne after Brad kicked her out!!!!

Cheyenne is saying that Brad had NOT been in Shaniya's life that much, that his ex girlfriend and others had raised her.

My hinky meter is really going off now...


found this online:

http://chatham.mync.com/site/Chatham/news/story/44620/some-claim-shaniya-davis-was-at-risk-and-needed-a-better-home/

Are you watching local news?

[Dustee]

Whaaaaat???? :scared:

I edited my post to add this link:

http://chatham.mync.com/site/Chatham/news/story/44620/some-claim-shaniya-davis-was-at-risk-and-needed-a-better-home/

[Dustee]

Are you watching local news?

Yes, and I switch between 2 stations adn they both had the same story.

[TaraCrazyHair]

OMG!!! 3 people are on now saying they had seen cigarette burns on Shaniya!!!!! That's why they offered to take her but Brad refused their offer! One of Brad's friends had taken in Cheyenne after Brad kicked her out!!!!

Cheyenne is saying that Brad had NOT been in Shaniya's life that much, that his ex girlfriend and others had raised her.

My hinky meter is really going off now...


found this online:

http://chatham.mync.com/site/Chatham/news/story/44620/some-claim-shaniya-davis-was-at-risk-and-needed-a-better-home/

What are you watching?

[Dustee]

What are you watching?

The local news...

[BanX3]

WOW - problem for a father who is overseas in the armed forces - or for one who is incarcerated.

I guess it probably varies from place to place. I would just hate to be a father and have my name wrongly put on a birth certificate...

[jammies]

There are alot of things about this case that aren't making sense. I hope we get a better grasp of what happened from LE tommorrow.

Did Mario really just get ahold of Shaniya early that morning? Or did he have her all night? A hotel? For an hour? Was this hotel a common place for him, and others involved, to use for drug activity, prostitution, etc? If he was the one Mom sold her to, for sex, why did he kill her? If it was okay, with the Mom? {sick, I know} Why did she call LE and report that she was missing? Did both of them, in an instant, stop trusting one another? Is someone else involved? Was Mario the middle man?

So many questions!!


I already disremember.....but do we know for SURE that Mario actually rented a room that morning? MAYBE he had rented it earlier BEFORE he brought Shaniya to the hotel.

[BanX3]

Yes, and I switch between 2 stations adn they both had the same story.

Oh my...thank you for sharing with the rest of us!

[MiamiNice1]

I edited my post to add this link:

http://chatham.mync.com/site/Chatham/news/story/44620/some-claim-shaniya-davis-was-at-risk-and-needed-a-better-home/

Thank you! This is horrible. The more it goes on, the worse it gets! :angry:

[Mayasmimi]

OMG!!! 3 people are on now saying they had seen cigarette burns on Shaniya!!!!! That's why they offered to take her but Brad refused their offer! One of Brad's friends had taken in Cheyenne after Brad kicked her out!!!!

Cheyenne is saying that Brad had NOT been in Shaniya's life that much, that his ex girlfriend and others had raised her.

My hinky meter is really going off now...


found this online:

http://chatham.mync.com/site/Chatham/news/story/44620/some-claim-shaniya-davis-was-at-risk-and-needed-a-better-home/

OMG!!!!! What the? Not sure I'm buying it, but wow!!!!!!!!

Don't know what to think. The baby looks to have been so well taken care of. Crazy stuff.....:crying:

[TaraCrazyHair]

The local news...


Who are the three people?

[jammies]

OMG!!! 3 people are on now saying they had seen cigarette burns on Shaniya!!!!! That's why they offered to take her but Brad refused their offer! One of Brad's friends had taken in Cheyenne after Brad kicked her out!!!!

Cheyenne is saying that Brad had NOT been in Shaniya's life that much, that his ex girlfriend and others had raised her.

My hinky meter is really going off now...


found this online:

http://chatham.mync.com/site/Chatham/news/story/44620/some-claim-shaniya-davis-was-at-risk-and-needed-a-better-home/



OH........I SOOOOO don't want to know this.

[MiamiNice1]

I've been conflicted about posting this, given the dad's genuine grief:

If Brad Lockhart is now 38, that means when Shaniya, now 5, was conceived 6 years ago and Brad was 32.

Antoinnette is now 25. Six years ago when she conceived Shaniya, she was 19.

So Brad, 32, had a one night stand with Antoinnette, who was at the time, 19. Wow. Just wow. :thumbdown:

imo

[Dustee]

Oh my...thank you for sharing with the rest of us!

I posted earlier that something just wasn't right... I didn't elaborate because I figured I'd get blasted. But Brad and his sister seemed a little "over dramatic" in that presser, sounding like a televangelist or something. And all the poetic sounding phrases. I'm now thinking they're as full of it as Antoinette and McNeil. Like I said earlier, I don't think I believe ANY of them right now!

[TaraCrazyHair]

He sure is quick to forgive her

[gordon24fan]

Quote:
Originally Posted by AnnieKins
Hi g24fan,

I think a lot of us feel exactly the same way about this poor little sweetheart. We don't know what on earth to say, but we feel we need to express how broken our hearts are for her and for her family.

Welcome to the boards, and please post more often. (We need more Canadians, eh? LOL)

Annie

thanks for the welcome
us canadian, (im from montreal quebec) we dont see crimes like this here, well rarely, at least i dont( i think our laws prevents us from knowing everything) but since coming here and reading all of these crimes and diseperances im freaking out .. where is our world going, you guys our next door to us its kind of scary, and i have been really careful in what i do and where i go, im 31 year old, and look like a 19 year old my parents still call me all the time every day to know if im ok and home, that is why i cant imagine a mother (if we can call her that...) letting something like this happened. i am so out of words i dont know what to say i am really devasted ( and sorry for my english i am french)

[Dustee]

OMG!!!!! What the? Not sure I'm buying it, but wow!!!!!!!!

Don't know what to think. The baby looks to have been so well taken care of. Crazy stuff.....:crying:

Well, think about it... I'm thinking the photos we've seen came from the Dad's side - Mom's side doesn't strike me as the picture taking crowd. Either way, I don't think they'd supply photos that show her with burn marks!

[jammies]

I've been conflicted about posting this, given the dad's genuine grief:

If Brad Lockhart is now 38, that means when Shaniya, now 5, was conceived 6 years ago and Brad was 32.

Antoinnette is now 25. Six years ago when she conceived Shaniya, she was 19.

So Brad, 32, had a one night stand with Antoinnette, who was at the time, 19. Wow. Just wow. :thumbdown:

imo


Um.....I doubt he asked her age....if you know what I mean? :ohmy:

[Dustee]

Who are the three people?

I posted a link to the story, but the 3 were Brad's former father in law, a friend, and Cheyenne, Brad's daughter.

[MiamiNice1]

Well, think about it... I'm thinking the photos we've seen came from the Dad's side - Mom's side doesn't strike me as the picture taking crowd. Either way, I don't think they'd supply photos that show her with burn marks!
And the school noticed nothing? Wouldn't burn marks <shudder> take a while to heal and disappear? And WHY would the father continue to send her to this abuser if this is true?!?! :confused:

[TaraCrazyHair]

I posted a link to the story, but the 3 were Brad's former father in law, a friend, and Cheyenne, Brad's daughter.

I read the link finally -- sorry to question so quickly before reading

[Chica]

OMG!!! 3 people are on now saying they had seen cigarette burns on Shaniya!!!!! That's why they offered to take her but Brad refused their offer! One of Brad's friends had taken in Cheyenne after Brad kicked her out!!!!

Cheyenne is saying that Brad had NOT been in Shaniya's life that much, that his ex girlfriend and others had raised her.

My hinky meter is really going off now...


found this online:

http://chatham.mync.com/site/Chatham/news/story/44620/some-claim-shaniya-davis-was-at-risk-and-needed-a-better-home/

This is a nightmare. I have to go to sleep. Be back in the am when you guys have this all figured out..G'nite !

[TaraCrazyHair]

And the school noticed nothing? Wouldn't burn marks <shudder> take a while to heal and disappear? And WHY would the father continue to send her to this abuser if this is true?!?! :confused:


I know he sent Shaniya to live with her on Oct 9th but do we know how often she went for visits before that?

[BanX3]

I posted earlier that something just wasn't right... I didn't elaborate because I figured I'd get blasted. But Brad and his sister seemed a little "over dramatic" in that presser, sounding like a televangelist or something. And all the poetic sounding phrases. I'm now thinking they're as full of it as Antoinette and McNeil. Like I said earlier, I don't think I believe ANY of them right now!


I'm so confused...you probably would have been blasted earlier....I've been saying all along something is not right about this entire situation...

[jammies]

I posted earlier that something just wasn't right... I didn't elaborate because I figured I'd get blasted. But Brad and his sister seemed a little "over dramatic" in that presser, sounding like a televangelist or something. And all the poetic sounding phrases. I'm now thinking they're as full of it as Antoinette and McNeil. Like I said earlier, I don't think I believe ANY of them right now!


I didnt comment either for almost the same reasons. Just a wee bit too over the top and camera loving for my taste. But some people tend to be that way I guess. That video made me squirm.

The aunt comes across as the one person who really loved and cared for Shaniya, IMO.
But what the heck do I know.

But for sure....something is not right.

[Dustee]

And the school noticed nothing? Wouldn't burn marks <shudder> take a while to heal and disappear? And WHY would the father continue to send her to this abuser if this is true?!?! :confused:

They didn't say when they saw the burn marks... I'm guessing since she was 5, she hadn't been in school more than a few months.

[Lavinya]

Ohh, Allen said he "doesn't have any pity at all for him" in reference to the Dad.:ohmy:

[MiamiNice1]

Um.....I doubt he asked her age....if you know what I mean? :ohmy:
Sadly, I do. :ohmy:

[AmndaRcknwth]

My God. What a horrifying story. Daughter, father-in-law, and friend say they all saw cig burns on Shaniyah and that Brad knew it.

http://chatham.mync.com/site/Chatham/news/story/44620/some-claim-shaniya-davis-was-at-risk-and-needed-a-better-home/

[hooked2]

FYI flip side of the marriage/father thing... If a woman is married and becomes pregnant, it is assumed the child is her husband's child unless otherwise stated. Even if they are separated but just never divorced and now lives with another man :huh: If she does not put the other man's name on the birth certificate, it is legally assumed the kids are the husbands ---> meaning, and this is the part that shocked me in the case of the person my friend was telling me about because her legal husband died... if she wanted to, she can collect SSI for her children, even though they are the other man's! This was told to me by a former CFS employee :confused:

[Mayasmimi]

Well, think about it... I'm thinking the photos we've seen came from the Dad's side - Mom's side doesn't strike me as the picture taking crowd. Either way, I don't think they'd supply photos that show her with burn marks!

So confusing. I really want to believe that Daddy and his family were all about this little angel.

Guess attacking the victim has become normal protocal anymore. Makes me ill.

[Dustee]

I read the link finally -- sorry to question so quickly before reading

No problem, I just didn't want you to miss that link. It speaks volumes more than my words could convey, IMO.

[jammies]

I know he sent Shaniya to live with her on Oct 9th but do we know how often she went for visits before that?

You know what, Tara? I dont think ANY of us know anything anymore. One minute it's one story and it changes the next minute.

In the end there's a dead baby that somehow got lost in this cluster-shuffle of adults.

[jammies]

So confusing. I really want to believe that Daddy and his family were all about this little angel.

Guess attacking the victim has become normal protocal anymore. Makes me ill.


The victim is Shaniya.

[MiamiNice1]

I know he sent Shaniya to live with her on Oct 9th but do we know how often she went for visits before that?

According to the latest links and info (and contrary to what the father FIRST stated), sounds like Shaniya went over to the mother for quite a few weekend visits, before this last, fatal one.

imo

[TaraCrazyHair]

I'm so confused...you probably would have been blasted earlier....I've been saying all along something is not right about this entire situation...


What are you feeling that is not right?

[Ladygator]

They didn't say when they saw the burn marks... I'm guessing since she was 5, she hadn't been in school more than a few months.

Right, good point. She just started school in September.

[TaraCrazyHair]

You know what, Tara? I dont think ANY of us know anything anymore. One minute it's one story and it changes the next minute.

In the end there's a dead baby that somehow got lost in this cluster-shuffle of adults.

So true -- but there are a lot of emotions going on within the family(s) right now so not hard to understand some confusion?

[Justice4all]

I edited my post to add this link:

http://chatham.mync.com/site/Chatham/news/story/44620/some-claim-shaniya-davis-was-at-risk-and-needed-a-better-home/

why didn't they call child protective services if half of this is true?

[Lavinya]

Right, good point. She just started school in September.

And she was removed in Oct. wasn't she?

[TaraCrazyHair]

Right, good point. She just started school in September.

And removed in mid-Oct

[AmndaRcknwth]

So confusing. I really want to believe that Daddy and his family were all about this little angel.

Guess attacking the victim has become normal protocal anymore. Makes me ill.

Learning the WHOLE truth is not attacking the victim. Not at all.
The only one(s) who attacked the victim KILLED her.



If this were neighbors, strangers, acquaintances, you could throw out half as bs.... but who is making the claims?

Brad's daughter.
Brad's friend.
Brad's father-in-law.

We can light a thousand candles, cry a thousand tears, post a thousand pretty roses, but the baby is dead and she deserves justice and she deserves the truth.

No matter who is implicated as ugly in this story.

[MiamiNice1]

They didn't say when they saw the burn marks... I'm guessing since she was 5, she hadn't been in school more than a few months.
OK, yes, that is true. But what about the part where the father knew, yet kept sending her to the abuser for visits?!?! :confused:

[Lavinya]

why didn't he call child protective services if half of this is true?

I dunno, but his daughter was not hesitant at all in claiming their Dad was not such a hot father. :sad:

[Mayasmimi]

This is a nightmare. I have to go to sleep. Be back in the am when you guys have this all figured out..G'nite !

G'night Chica. Rest well.

[Dustee]

why didn't he call child protective services if half of this is true?

Maybe he did. I know from personal experience that doesn't always work. I tried to get custody of my nephew, and when I tried to tell the social worker that his mother was on drugs, she told me to mind my own business. I tried to call another social worker, and was told they didn't have the manpower to investigate every call they got.

If it had been one person making the claim about Shaniya, that would be different. But here are 3, one being her sister.

[jammies]

Was there a reason the aunt couldn't continue to keep Shaniya? If not, then why are these two men saying they asked to take her?

Sounds like there is more going on with her living situation within Lockhart's family.

[Ladygator]

And removed in mid-Oct

Has it been said yet the circumstances behind Shaniya being withdrawn from school? Was it the Mom or Dad who did it?

Since she's been staying with her Mom, who is now charged with these horrible charges, I wonder if Mom didn't want her in school anymore because of injuries to the lil girl.

[2Hope4]

That may be a state to state thing

Here, if unmarried, you can list the father's name on the BC and give the baby his last name ... even if they are not involved in your life o not present to sign

Then comes paternity testing if seeking child support

You could very well be right. After I posted that, I got to thinking the same thing. I do know that here in my town, in VA, that what I posted is true, but that might not be true for the other states.

As for if the father is in jail or overseas, etc., if you're married, no problem. If you are NOT married, then a notary would have to go to the jail to get the papers signed. Not sure what happens with military as I never had that come up when I was working as a nurse at the hospital. So can't answer that part.

But it doesn't truly matter anyway. No matter what last name Shaniya carried, it's so obvious that her Daddy loved her, and she was the light of his life. I can't imagine his pain. :crying:

[Dustee]

And she was removed in Oct. wasn't she?

Maybe now we know WHY she was removed.

[Justice4all]

So confusing. I really want to believe that Daddy and his family were all about this little angel.

Guess attacking the victim has become normal protocal anymore. Makes me ill.

Who is attacking Shaniya?:confused:

[TaraCrazyHair]

Maybe he did. I know from personal experience that doesn't always work. I tried to get custody of my nephew, and when I tried to tell the social worker that his mother was on drugs, she told me to mind my own business. I tried to call another social worker, and was told they didn't have the manpower to investigate every call they got.

If it had been one person making the claim about Shaniya, that would be different. But here are 3, one being her sister.

The article stated that DSS investigated her regarding her son and the case was closed ... she retained custody

If Shaniya was in the home at that time, they would have seen problems, right?

[Lavinya]

Maybe now we know WHY she was removed.

Yes. This is just sickening. I mean sickening!

[Justice4all]

Maybe now we know WHY she was removed.

Who removed her?

[2Hope4]

Know what ya mean. We've heard that he and Davis have not been cooperative. Thinking the only way he'd spill is if he was offered a plea deal. But that doesn't make sense if, as I assume, he killed the baby. No more talk about the 60 yeard old man everyone was looking for. It's obvious Davis did not kill Shaniya....well, not directly. OMG.....I can't stand this.:crying:

BUT we also heard that Davis WAS being cooperative in the beginning before her arrest, and we now know that isn't true. It is very possible that McNeil is being cooperative, but since there could be others involved that the LE is monitoring, they don't want to tip them off. So to say he isn't being cooperative, would make anyone else involved feel a tad bit secure, and convinced he wasn't ratting them out. ;)

[Dustee]

OK, yes, that is true. But what about the part where the father knew, yet kept sending her to the abuser for visits?!?! :confused:

The father in law said something about if you wanted sex, you could go there. Perhaps Dad hasn't been as much of a stranger to Mom as he wants us to believe. Just a thought...

[Lavinya]

Who removed her?

No one knows yet, J4A.

[Justice4all]

Yes. This is just sickening. I mean sickening!

First maybe we should find out who removed her before we start talking why she was removed........MHO

[jammies]

No one knows yet, J4A.



Feels like we are caught up in a familar nightmare again, Lav. :crying:

[TaraCrazyHair]

Has it been said yet the circumstances behind Shaniya being withdrawn from school? Was it the Mom or Dad who did it?

Since she's been staying with her Mom, who is now charged with these horrible charges, I wonder if Mom didn't want her in school anymore because of injuries to the lil girl.

I assume since it was mid Oct ... the mother removed her from school

The principal said no reason given

Don't schools follow up on withdrawals? Or was kindergarten not mandatory

[Ladygator]

Ohh, Allen said he "doesn't have any pity at all for him" in reference to the Dad.:ohmy:

That stings! Such hard words.

[Justice4all]

I assume since it was mid Oct ... the mother removed her from school

The principal said no reason given

Don't schools follow up on withdrawals? Or was kindergarten not mandatory

nope wasn't mandatory...

[Dustee]

OK, I didn't say this earlier because I figured I'd get blasted and I didn't feel like arguing....

When the half brother Byron was on Nancy Grace, and Brad showed up, I got the impression that made Byron uncomfortable. Or maybe it just make ME uncomfortable. But it struck me as odd that he'd been on several shows and had a press conference earlier, but NOW he doesn't want to speak on camera.

After seeing what the daughter Cheyenne had to say, I'm wondering if Brad showed up to make sure Byron didn't say anything similar?

[Lavinya]

Feels like we are caught up in a familar nightmare again, Lav. :crying:

No kidding. It never ends, does it Jammies. :sad:

[Ladygator]

I assume since it was mid Oct ... the mother removed her from school

The principal said no reason given

Don't schools follow up on withdrawals? Or was kindergarten not mandatory

Ah, I recall earlier someone said Kindergarden wasn't mandatory in NC. :confused:

[TaraCrazyHair]

That stings! Such hard words.

I agree

Hindsight is 20/20

[MiamiNice1]

The father in law said something about if you wanted sex, you could go there. Perhaps Dad hasn't been as much of a stranger to Mom as he wants us to believe. Just a thought...
You could be right - maybe the FIL was trying to discreetly give a hint?

OR, the FIL could have meant that it was an inappropriate environment for Shaniya to be in (at the mother's)?

imo

[Mayasmimi]

BUT we also heard that Davis WAS being cooperative in the beginning before her arrest, and we now know that isn't true. It is very possible that McNeil is being cooperative, but since there could be others involved that the LE is monitoring, they don't want to tip them off. So to say he isn't being cooperative, would make anyone else involved feel a tad bit secure, and convinced he wasn't ratting them out. ;)

I see. Makes good sense. Don't believe I've ever seen anything like this cluster. My heart breaks for this sweet, beautiful, precious little lady.

[Lavinya]

OK, I didn't say this earlier because I figured I'd get blasted and I didn't feel like arguing....

When the half brother Byron was on Nancy Grace, and Brad showed up, I got the impression that made Byron uncomfortable. Or maybe it just make ME uncomfortable. But it struck me as odd that he'd been on several shows and had a press conference earlier, but NOW he doesn't want to speak on camera.

After seeing what the daughter Cheyenne had to say, I'm wondering if Brad showed up to make sure Byron didn't say anything similar?

I thought the same thing and I wondered about Brad going out in front of the cameras. It was just kind of "showy" to me.

[bhardy1956]

You look well taken care of too...We all know what the truth is though. You don't know the half...like, OMG seriouslY?

OMG! Will you please just stop! Dang! What you are posting is unnecessary! Just discuss.

[Lavinya]

That stings! Such hard words.

Apparently he's so upset that Brad let Shaniya go to a home that was so clearly dangerous.

[Justice4all]

OK, I didn't say this earlier because I figured I'd get blasted and I didn't feel like arguing....

When the half brother Byron was on Nancy Grace, and Brad showed up, I got the impression that made Byron uncomfortable. Or maybe it just make ME uncomfortable. But it struck me as odd that he'd been on several shows and had a press conference earlier, but NOW he doesn't want to speak on camera.

After seeing what the daughter Cheyenne had to say, I'm wondering if Brad showed up to make sure Byron didn't say anything similar?

I hate to say this but I think you might be right...

[marinewife5]

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[Ladygator]

I thought the same thing and I wondered about Brad going out in front of the cameras. It was just kind of "showy" to me.

Count me on being rubbed wrong from that cameo. I walked outta the bedroom and didn't finish watching NG.

[Dustee]

I've been going to bed for an hour, and haven't made it there yet! But I really have to. Maybe a little sleep will help me make sense of these new allegations. Nite all.

[jammies]

I thought the same thing and I wondered about Brad going out in front of the cameras. It was just kind of "showy" to me.


That didn't bother me as much as the presser. Sorry....but that just icked me out.

Then again, I'm a Yankee. We're trained at a young age not to go all drama in public! :wink:

[Mayasmimi]

A friendly reminder: Please don't quote offensive posts. I.E. bullying, harassing, etc.

The exclamation point in the triangle in the upper right hand corner of the post is where you report offensive posts.

MW...:thumbsup:

[jammies]

I've been going to bed for an hour, and haven't made it there yet! But I really have to. Maybe a little sleep will help me make sense of these new allegations. Nite all.


Nite, Dustee. Thanks for the updates and your honesty.

[BanX3]

OK, I didn't say this earlier because I figured I'd get blasted and I didn't feel like arguing....

When the half brother Byron was on Nancy Grace, and Brad showed up, I got the impression that made Byron uncomfortable. Or maybe it just make ME uncomfortable. But it struck me as odd that he'd been on several shows and had a press conference earlier, but NOW he doesn't want to speak on camera.

After seeing what the daughter Cheyenne had to say, I'm wondering if Brad showed up to make sure Byron didn't say anything similar?

I can't post as candidly as you, because I will surely get blasted, but I agree with what you're saying. I will continue to say, something is not right about this entire situation!

[LP112]

Ah, I recall earlier someone said Kindergarden wasn't mandatory in NC. :confused:

I recall seeing a post about how proud Shaniya was coming home with stars for the day, so to me that shows she was actively attending school while with Dad/Aunt. I had mentioned in a previous blog that she looked very uncaredfor in the video, which would be in sync with not sending her to school as well. JMO.

This Dad travels alot for work which has been confirmed. By all means he is a single parent to 3 kids and was doing whatever he had to give the best life to his kids, non who really have a Mom....I mean, you all saw the beautiful house he provided for them. Perhaps in life you can't have the best of both worlds, being with your children all the time while trying to provide the best you can.

[Mayasmimi]

I've been going to bed for an hour, and haven't made it there yet! But I really have to. Maybe a little sleep will help me make sense of these new allegations. Nite all.

Rest well. Hope you can figure this out.....I am so lost. See ya.

[TaraCrazyHair]

I thought the same thing and I wondered about Brad going out in front of the cameras. It was just kind of "showy" to me.

Maybe just guilt ridden that he took the easy way out

Selfish maybe but how could he ever have expected the outcome we have now?

What parent could ever imagine it?

[Dustee]

Nite, Dustee. Thanks for the updates and your honesty.

You're welcome. And thanks for not blasting me to the moon! I feel much better after getting some of that off my chest!

[Lavinya]

That didn't bother me as much as the presser. Sorry....but that just icked me out.

Then again, I'm a Yankee. We're trained at a young age not to go all drama in public! :wink:

Which presser are you talking about Jammies? Is it the one where he says he thanks God for Shaniya but he can't thank Him for the day, (or something similar)?

[bhardy1956]

Ohh, Allen said he "doesn't have any pity at all for him" in reference to the Dad.:ohmy:

Who's Allen? I am so confused. I will have to say that that the Brad does live in a very nice home with a BMW, so why was (oh, I'm not buying that the mom wanted to be a mom) Shaniya living in a trailer and the dad, Brad not calling her and checking on her? Something isn't right, I do believe that Brad looked like he was in torment, and there can be lies about him. I will have to wait and see. As a mother, I would not just drop my child off at a place that I wasn't familar with. No matter what!

[Lavinya]

Who's Allen? I am so confused. I will have to say that that the Brad does live in a very nice home with a BMW, so why was (oh, I'm not buying that the mom wanted to be a mom) Shaniya living in a trailer and the dad, Brad not calling her and checking on her? Something isn't right, I do believe that Brad looked like he was in torment, and there can be lies about him. I will have to wait and see. As a mother, I would not just drop my child off at a place that I wasn't familar with. No matter what!

Tim Allen, a friend of Brad's who raised one of Brad's other children, Cheyenne.

Check out the link, bhardy. http://johnston.mync.com/site/johnston/news|Sports|Lifestyles/story/44620/some-claim-shaniya-davis-was-at-risk-and-needed-a-better-home

[jammies]

Which presser are you talking about Jammies? Is it the one where he says he thanks God for Shaniya but he can't thank Him for the day, (or something similar)?


The one where he's going all crazy that I couldn't watch the whole way through. I have no idea what he said cuz I couldn't make head nor tail of it.


My head hurts.


eta: didn't want to offend anyone.

[Lavinya]

Maybe just guilt ridden that he took the easy way out

Selfish maybe but how could he ever have expected the outcome we have now?

What parent could ever imagine it?

IF, and a big if, he was as aware of what was going on in AD's house as it's being alleged, then Brad should have imagined something bad happening, IMO.

[VC2]

bringing this over my post from other thread:

yep...i still think there was a 3rd person she was given to. McNeil may or maynot have murdered her (if he is charged with felony murder that would bc the kidnapping led to her death as much as if he killed her himself)

He does not strike me as the sort who rents a 100 dollar room just to have a clean bed to molest a child in. He can do it for free. plus his arms weren't carrying anything so its not as if he had a bag full of video equipment.

IMO the reason for the motel is someone was staying there willing to pay big bucks for an untouched little girl may not b e the killer, could have panicked qafter hearing the news and done it or more likely called mcneil to do it.

but yeah...something is missing and i will never believe it was just mario and antionette.
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[hooked2]

OK, yes, that is true. But what about the part where the father knew, yet kept sending her to the abuser for visits?!?! :confused:
Well, yeah... this is where it could get really ugly and we can really begin to talk about moral obligations as well as legal, in many states.

If the father saw burn marks... he should call CPS.
If the father in law saw burn marks... the father in law should call CPS.
If the friend saw burn marks... the friend should call CPS.

I really didn't want this story to go in this direction, but if this is the truth of the situation... however, if we are looking to anyone, I'd like to think that if there were burn marks, Aunt Carey would have seen them and she would have taken action. There is the chance they weren't burn marks at all.

[BanX3]

Well, yeah... this is where it could get really ugly and we can really begin to talk about moral obligations as well as legal, in many states.

If the father saw burn marks... he should call CPS.
If the father in law saw burn marks... the father in law should call CPS.
If the friend saw burn marks... the friend should call CPS.

I really didn't want this story to go in this direction, but if this is the truth of the situation... however, if we are looking to anyone, I'd like to think that if there were burn marks, Aunt Carey would have seen them and she would have taken action. There is the chance they weren't burn marks at all.

CPS was involved, so maybe all of the above did call CPS...

[hooked2]

If nothing else, I suppose the coroner will be able to tell us now if they were burn marks :crying:

[AmndaRcknwth]

I've been going to bed for an hour, and haven't made it there yet! But I really have to. Maybe a little sleep will help me make sense of these new allegations. Nite all.

Thank you for bringing it forward. I was feeling mighty weird vibes and wasn't sure what to think.

What Byron Coleman (elder Byron) said about knowing where to go for sex, etc... and the trash she associated with... if he knew all that, surely Brad and Carey knew it too.

Obviously they knew what sort of conditions they were taking her OUT OF and putting her INTO!

[Mayasmimi]

Who's Allen? I am so confused. I will have to say that that the Brad does live in a very nice home with a BMW, so why was (oh, I'm not buying that the mom wanted to be a mom) Shaniya living in a trailer and the dad, Brad not calling her and checking on her? Something isn't right, I do believe that Brad looked like he was in torment, and there can be lies about him. I will have to wait and see. As a mother, I would not just drop my child off at a place that I wasn't familar with. No matter what!

I might be the last one thinking something is odd here, but I do. Guess I compare every victim's parent to Sharon Rocha.

[jammies]

I'm thinking I must have missed that one. I'll go look at it because I've heard a lot about it. Thanks!


I edited the "P" word out as not to offend anyone. Would you delete my quote? ty

[jammies]

CPS was involved, so maybe all of the above did call CPS...


Beat me to it. SOMEONE sure called them.

[bhardy1956]

OK, I didn't say this earlier because I figured I'd get blasted and I didn't feel like arguing....

When the half brother Byron was on Nancy Grace, and Brad showed up, I got the impression that made Byron uncomfortable. Or maybe it just make ME uncomfortable. But it struck me as odd that he'd been on several shows and had a press conference earlier, but NOW he doesn't want to speak on camera.

After seeing what the daughter Cheyenne had to say, I'm wondering if Brad showed up to make sure Byron didn't say anything similar?

You know I thought the same thing? I thought it was kind of strange the Brad came out and pretty much interupted the interview process and found it also strange that he kept his arm around Byron and didn't just hug him and leave, he stayed there. I very much feel sorry for the dad, but that struck me as odd. One way or another, Brad didn't murder his daughter Shaniya, but something is just not right and I can't put my finger on it yet....

[TaraCrazyHair]

IF, and a big if, he was as aware of what was going on in AD's house as it's being alleged, then Brad should have imagined something bad happening, IMO.

True -- but the one link did state there was a cig burn by her eye and her grammie did it ..

Maybe he figured an accident ... how old is "grammie"?

Just guessing here

[jammies]

You know I thought the same thing? I thought it was kind of strange the Brad came out and pretty much interupted the interview process and found it also strange that he kept his arm around Byron and didn't just hug him and leave, he stayed there. I very much feel sorry for the dad, but that struck me as odd. One way or another, Brad didn't murder his daughter Shaniya, but something is just not right and I can't put my finger on it yet....


The son was a sweetie. Did you notice he contradicted what his sister said yesterday? (which ties into what you just posted)

[BanX3]

True -- but the one link did state there was a cig burn by her eye and her grammie did it ..

Maybe he figured an accident ... how old is "grammie"?

Just guessing here

Grammie is young/old enough to be smoking, so she should be young/old enough to keep her fire to her self...IMO

[hooked2]

So true -- but there are a lot of emotions going on within the family(s) right now so not hard to understand some confusion?
Right. And media confusion. We all know how that can really mess up the truth and exacerbate rumors so I'm not ready to jump on any bandwagon, just letting it all filter through for a few days.

[BanX3]

I'm wondering why in so many child abuse cases there is the allegation of cigarette burns. I can't fathom taking a lit ciggy and sticking it to a child! Do you think they mean the child got ahold of the cigarette and played with it then got burned? Ugh

[AmndaRcknwth]

Well, yeah... this is where it could get really ugly and we can really begin to talk about moral obligations as well as legal, in many states.

If the father saw burn marks... he should call CPS.
If the father in law saw burn marks... the father in law should call CPS.
If the friend saw burn marks... the friend should call CPS.

I really didn't want this story to go in this direction, but if this is the truth of the situation... however, if we are looking to anyone, I'd like to think that if there were burn marks, Aunt Carey would have seen them and she would have taken action. There is the chance they weren't burn marks at all.

In the presser outside Brad's home today, Carey pleaded for people "not to turn their backs" if they see abuse (paraphrased) and this might be part of what torments them now. Hindsight.

It is easy for us to say "should have...."

But seriously, it looks like most of them had a clue Shaniya wasn't being sent to a nurturing household. Not even close.

That's got to be awful, the knowing they sent her there.


They had nothing to do with killing her, but the what-if. I'd want to be dead myself rather than live with that.

This child wasn't just cigarette burned this time, they (the murderers who bought her) tortured her to death.

[Mayasmimi]

You know I thought the same thing? I thought it was kind of strange the Brad came out and pretty much interupted the interview process and found it also strange that he kept his arm around Byron and didn't just hug him and leave, he stayed there. I very much feel sorry for the dad, but that struck me as odd. One way or another, Brad didn't murder his daughter Shaniya, but something is just not right and I can't put my finger on it yet....

I absolutely hate to agree, but I do. The PC at the home today made me go huh? Byron on Nancy tonight, after Cheyanne last night? Not to mention the vigil last night. This is all messed up. That sweet baby may have been caught up in a huge mess of adults who may have thought they cared. I don't know what to think anymore. As many have said before me, it just gets worse and worse every day. Unbelievable.

[hooked2]

Grammie is young/old enough to be smoking, so she should be young/old enough to keep her fire to her self...IMO

:thumbsup:

[Lavinya]

I edited the "P" word out as not to offend anyone. Would you delete my quote? ty

Got it! :thumbsup:

[BanX3]

The son was a sweetie. Did you notice he contradicted what his sister said yesterday? (which ties into what you just posted)

The son was an absolute sweetie. Can I ask what part of his story contradicted the sister? I'm totally not being sassy, just refresh memory if you can/will be so kind?

[jammies]

I absolutely hate to agree, but I do. The PC at the home today made me go huh? Byron on Nancy tonight, after Cheyanne last night? Not to mention the vigil last night. This is all messed up. That sweet baby may have been caught up in a huge mess of adults who may have thought they cared. I don't know what to think anymore. As many have said before me, it just gets worse and worse every day. Unbelievable.


It's not going to get any better either. sigh....

Poor baby girl.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Grammie is young/old enough to be smoking, so she should be young/old enough to keep her fire to her self...IMO

That being said ... accidents happen and maybe that is what he took it has ... not abuse


And maybe he knew A was a bit loose in the sheets but that does not mean you are not a good mother

I will wait for more facts before I condemn others in the case .. LE has their two suspects in jail

[jammies]

The son was an absolute sweetie. Can I ask what part of his story contradicted the sister? I'm totally not being sassy, just refresh memory if you can/will be so kind?

He seemed like he was there to clear up what his sister said about AD doing drugs, that they weren't aware, etc.

damage control, if you will.

[bhardy1956]

If nothing else, I suppose the coroner will be able to tell us now if they were burn marks :crying:

ITA, I thought about all these stories, and the coroner will be able to confirm if there was previous child abuse. Until then I remain neutral.

[BanX3]

He seemed like he was there to clear up what his sister said about AD doing drugs, that they weren't aware, etc.

damage control, if you will.

Ohhh, yeah he did say none of his family was aware...There's just one little problem with that story. Her name is Cheyenne!

[hooked2]

The father in law said something about if you wanted sex, you could go there. Perhaps Dad hasn't been as much of a stranger to Mom as he wants us to believe. Just a thought...
That's what I got out of it too!

[Lavinya]

I'm wondering why in so many child abuse cases there is the allegation of cigarette burns. I can't fathom taking a lit ciggy and sticking it to a child! Do you think they mean the child got ahold of the cigarette and played with it then got burned? Ugh

People will definitely intentionally burn a child with their cig. Even to the point of putting a cig, out on someone. Sadistic.

[MiamiNice1]

Well, yeah... this is where it could get really ugly and we can really begin to talk about moral obligations as well as legal, in many states.

If the father saw burn marks... he should call CPS.
If the father in law saw burn marks... the father in law should call CPS.
If the friend saw burn marks... the friend should call CPS.

I really didn't want this story to go in this direction, but if this is the truth of the situation... however, if we are looking to anyone, I'd like to think that if there were burn marks, Aunt Carey would have seen them and she would have taken action. There is the chance they weren't burn marks at all.
I totally agree with you about not wanting the story to go in this direction, but we must face reality. If this is true, we cannot ignore it.

I see nothing wrong in exploring the rest of the story, as long as everyone keeps discussing this in a respectful, polite way, like everyone is doing now.

imo

[Mayasmimi]

It's not going to get any better either. sigh....

Poor baby girl.

I think you are right. Enough is enough. From today forward....enough with "family" coming forward. Again, don't know what to think, but I know where I'm leaning.

[BanX3]

Originally Posted by Dustee
The father in law said something about if you wanted sex, you could go there. Perhaps Dad hasn't been as much of a stranger to Mom as he wants us to believe. Just a thought...

Makes me wonder if Mom was a prostitute...I don't know something tells me that one night stand may have had a price tag on it. I have always looked at the father and wondered how he and mom crossed paths---where did they even meet to initiate a one night stand...

This is just my opinion and me speculating!

[MiamiNice1]

True -- but the one link did state there was a cig burn by her eye and her grammie did it ..

Maybe he figured an accident ... how old is "grammie"?

Just guessing here
Yeah - and is this the same "grammie" that said in that video how her daugher, Antoinnette, is "a straight up good mother?" :rolleyes:.....:cursing:

[TaraCrazyHair]

Hope this is not a stupid question ... but I am wondering if it is possible A did not "sell" her child but that Mario told LE she did?

[BanX3]

People will definitely intentionally burn a child with their cig. Even to the point of putting a cig, out on someone. Sadistic.

I cannot imagine. That is beyond sadistic. You have to have 0 feelings for a person to do something like that to them...and well, it's kinda obvious Antoinette had 0 feelings for Shaniya.

[BanX3]

Hope this is not a stupid question ... but I am wondering if it is possible A did not "sell" her child but that Mario told LE she did?

Anything is possible because Coe did not kidnap Shaniya but Antoinette told them he did...granted he has been released at this point, you never know though.

No question is stupid...IMO

[jammies]

Makes me wonder if Mom was a prostitute...I don't know something tells me that one night stand may have had a price tag on it. I have always looked at the father and wondered how he and mom crossed paths---where did they even meet to initiate a one night stand...

This is just my opinion and me speculating!


Oh, I think many of us assumed all along she was "for sale". Guess I shouldn't speak for others....but I kinda got that from the get-go.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Makes me wonder if Mom was a prostitute...I don't know something tells me that one night stand may have had a price tag on it. I have always looked at the father and wondered how he and mom crossed paths---where did they even meet to initiate a one night stand...

This is just my opinion and me speculating!

I wondered the same -- but it seems he would paid her off or something in a case like that

Otherwise, maybe he really does have a good heart (and soul) to stick with it?

[BanX3]

Oh, I think many of us assumed all along she was "for sale". Guess I shouldn't speak for others....but I kinda got that from the get-go.

Oh, well I guess I'm late....lol

[MiamiNice1]

I was afraid that we'd be hearing something like this about possible abuse. If the pos would sale the child she gave birth too, she's capable of anything.
I was also leary about the dad not actually being in Shaynia's life very much.
I was dreading hearing about abuse done by Shaniya's mother.....but I dismissed it (and was relieved) when it was first said that Shaniya didn't spend any time with her mother (father stated he had to beg....etc....).

This is some story! :scared:

imo

[BanX3]

Yeah - and is this the same "grammie" that said in that video how her daugher, Antoinnette, is "a straight up good mother?" :rolleyes:.....:cursing:

good catch..

[Lavinya]

Makes me wonder if Mom was a prostitute...I don't know something tells me that one night stand may have had a price tag on it. I have always looked at the father and wondered how he and mom crossed paths---where did they even meet to initiate a one night stand...

This is just my opinion and me speculating!

Maybe, but how would she know which guy was the daddy, and how would she let him know? :confused:

[TaraCrazyHair]

Anything is possible because Coe did not kidnap Shaniya but Antoinette told them he did...granted he has been released at this point, you never know though.

No question is stupid...IMO

A $50,000 bond seems awful low for all her charges

There could indeed be way more to this story ...

[BanX3]

Maybe, but how would she know which guy was the daddy, and how would she let him know? :confused:

The baby came out mixed, so that probably narrowed it down...I am guessing, since I cannot say how many different races of men she could have possibly serviced....

And too, she could have gone through DNA tests with other men...

[hooked2]

Hope this is not a stupid question ... but I am wondering if it is possible A did not "sell" her child but that Mario told LE she did?
I don't think it's stupid... it's possible with what we've heard, but LE probably has a better idea from questioning her.

[VC2]

OMG!!! 3 people are on now saying they had seen cigarette burns on Shaniya!!!!! That's why they offered to take her but Brad refused their offer! One of Brad's friends had taken in Cheyenne after Brad kicked her out!!!!

Cheyenne is saying that Brad had NOT been in Shaniya's life that much, that his ex girlfriend and others had raised her.

My hinky meter is really going off now...


found this online:

http://chatham.mync.com/site/Chatham/news/story/44620/some-claim-shaniya-davis-was-at-risk-and-needed-a-better-home/

this doesn't surprise me to much :(

[TaraCrazyHair]

Maybe, but how would she know which guy was the daddy, and how would she let him know? :confused:

Good question!

Maybe they were friends who shared benefits one night

I am so confused lol

[MiamiNice1]

Maybe, but how would she know which guy was the daddy, and how would she let him know? :confused:
This is EXACTLY my question about the one night stand, Lav.....if they were strangers, how would Antoinnette know how to find Brad Lockhart after she conceived - and how did she know the baby was his if this was her nightly "profession?" :confused:

imo

eta - I see we already have some good answers to this......

[BanX3]

Good question!

Maybe they were friends who shared benefits one night

I am so confused lol


Never heard it phrased like that, lol

[Lavinya]

The baby came out mixed, so that probably narrowed it down...I am guessing, since I cannot say how many different races of men she could have possibly serviced....

Sure is possible. That might account for the age difference, too. Not highly likely she was attracted to him (no offense to Brad...).

[jammies]

This is EXACTLY my question about the one night stand, Lav.....if they were strangers, how would Antoinnette know how to find Brad Lockhart after she conceived - and how did she know the baby was his if this was her profession? :confused:


Maybe there was more than a single one night stand? Lots of possibilites. Doesn't mean she walked the streets but may have had a rep of sorts around the town.

We don't know when he found out he was her father do we?

[Mayasmimi]

A $50,000 bond seems awful low for all her charges

There could indeed be way more to this story ...

Absolutely is. Anyone who owns a home can sign a property bond, using the home as collateral for 10% if the bail. So, $5,000? Makes no sense AT ALL.

Something is wrong here.

ETA....from my experience with a long ago ex in Georgia.

[VC2]

The father is also a victim in all this jammies. He lost his beautiful innocent little girl.....he IS a victim too.

he is, but i see a parallel bw what he did with cheyenne and the decision to pass Shaniya over to AD. Also explains his lack of knowledge on many things while the aunt does seem to know about her daily life.

somehow i don't see him as "i embrace you faults and all" and seems a couple of children have been "returned or kicked out.

Even his lack of knowledge on the charges made me wonder how involved he was.

JMO and ready to be wrong

ETA and i think is sad bc it seems her aunt was the basic care taker and loved her deeply

Also...something is off when he allow the two teens to go on national tv to talk about AD and their half sister. hard enough for adults but jesus.

[Lavinya]

This is EXACTLY my question about the one night stand, Lav.....if they were strangers, how would Antoinnette know how to find Brad Lockhart after she conceived - and how did she know the baby was his if this was her nightly "profession?" :confused:

imo

Do we know for a fact that Brad is the daddy?

[hooked2]

Makes me wonder if Mom was a prostitute...I don't know something tells me that one night stand may have had a price tag on it. I have always looked at the father and wondered how he and mom crossed paths---where did they even meet to initiate a one night stand...

This is just my opinion and me speculating!
Nah, if she was a professional, she wouldn't have gotten pregnant :wink:

It may be a bit unsavory, maybe she was a dancer or he just met her at a party or something. There's usually other bad behavior occurring when most one night stands go down :sneaky: not that I would know.

[jammies]

Sure is possible. That might account for the age difference, too. Not highly likely she was attracted to him (no offense to Brad...).


Glad YOU said it!


He may not have KNOWN she was even pregnant until she had Shaniya. One look at her and there's no denying he's the daddy.

[BanX3]

This is EXACTLY my question about the one night stand, Lav.....if they were strangers, how would Antoinnette know how to find Brad Lockhart after she conceived - and how did she know the baby was his if this was her nightly "profession?" :confused:

imo

Repeat customer...aka a "regular"

[TaraCrazyHair]

Chance said the family has a history with the Department of Social Services.

"There have been major DSS issues with this family – who has custody, switching back and forth," Chance said.

Chance said it's unknown whether the child's disappearance is related to those issues. Police said Shaniya's father flew in from out of state Tuesday afternoon and was talking to investigators.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/11/crimesider/entry5614023.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody


I wonder if they are talking about Shaniya or the brother?

[Lavinya]

Maybe there was more than a single one night stand? Lots of possibilites. Doesn't mean she walked the streets but may have had a rep of sorts around the town.

We don't know when he found out he was her father do we?

I'm not finding it a far leap that if she sold her baby into prostitution that she would have had a problem with it herself.

[BanX3]

Nah, if she was a professional, she wouldn't have gotten pregnant :wink:

It may be a bit unsavory, maybe she was a dancer or he just met her at a party or something. There's usually other bad behavior occurring when most one night stands go down :sneaky: not that I would know.

lol...

yeah, i agree...

[TaraCrazyHair]

Repeat customer...aka a "regular"

Repeat would not be a one night stand

(shrug)

[MiamiNice1]

Maybe there was more than a single one night stand? Lots of possibilites. Doesn't mean she walked the streets but may have had a rep of sorts around the town.

We don't know when he found out he was her father do we?
BBM - No, and that is a good question. We don't know how the whole thing came about. Should be an interesting story, there.

I agree - I don't think she "walked......"


imo

[jammies]

btw, didn't our insider say something about Brad wondering if he was her father? That it was an issue that was going to be coming up.

anyone remember?

[Lavinya]

Those I talked to earlier didn't want to mention that same sentiment except via pms and emails. But rest assured Lavinya a lot of people think that was showy.

Thanks Elyssa. It helps to know I'm not completely crazy! :wink:

[MiamiNice1]

Repeat would not be a one night stand

(shrug)
Excellent point.

[Lavinya]

Nah, if she was a professional, she wouldn't have gotten pregnant :wink:

It may be a bit unsavory, maybe she was a dancer or he just met her at a party or something. There's usually other bad behavior occurring when most one night stands go down :sneaky: not that I would know.

I was a professional (wife, lol) and I got pg. 3 times without meaning to.

[MiamiNice1]

Do we know for a fact that Brad is the daddy?

IIRC, it was posted that Brad's sister mentioned in an interview that there was no question, so they didn't.......(Shaniya does strikingly resemble Brad Lockhart, imo)

imo

[TaraCrazyHair]

I'm not finding it a far leap that if she sold her baby into prostitution that she would have had a problem with it herself.

I can't help but wonder if that is what Mario told LE and maybe she never really did?

Something seems very off with this whole case

[bhardy1956]

I want to hear more about these lives that were all involved with Shaniya so I can get a better grip on things. The only one I grieve for at this point is a 5 year old little precious girl was severely abused and is now dead. It is such a torment to me. God, I believe you took Shaniya's spirit and soul to you before she understood her torture and suffering. She right now is the only victim in this case.

[BanX3]

Repeat would not be a one night stand

(shrug)

Uhh, maybe Brad describes it as a one-night stand because it sounds better than the alternative...you're right though...IDK about that situation, and even though people say it doesn't matter it sure has me curious...

[Lavinya]

IIRC, it was posted that Brad's sister mentioned in an interview that there was no question, so they didn't.......(Shaniya does strikingly resemble Brad Lockhart, imo)

imo

I started to write that something that they said made me think they didn't do a DNA but I was so sketchy on the details that I didn't. But yes, what you said is exactly what I was thinking of.

[Mayasmimi]

Chance said the family has a history with the Department of Social Services.

"There have been major DSS issues with this family – who has custody, switching back and forth," Chance said.

Chance said it's unknown whether the child's disappearance is related to those issues. Police said Shaniya's father flew in from out of state Tuesday afternoon and was talking to investigators.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/11/crimesider/entry5614023.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody


I wonder if they are talking about Shaniya or the brother?

Tara...OT. Brad did not come back into town because the baby was missing. Was already a scheduled trip. That is the reason I wondered early on if her going missing had something to do with custody. Wow...was I wrong?

[Lavinya]

I can't help but wonder if that is what Mario told LE and maybe she never really did?

Something seems very off with this whole case

Possible, but I think they would have some corroboration before sticking someone with those kinds of charges on the word of a man who is in the fight of his life.

[MiamiNice1]

I started to write that something that they said made me think they didn't do a DNA but I was so sketchy on the details that I didn't. But yes, what you said is exactly what I was thinking of.
Ok, good......also......if it were me.......I would be asking for a DNA test (if one was never done before) now - just to be positive. (not that it would matter, as Brad loves her as his own, obviously - but just to know).

imo

[jammies]

Uhh, maybe Brad describes it as a one-night stand because it sounds better than the alternative...you're right though...IDK about that situation, and even though people say it doesn't matter it sure has me curious...


I think saying it was a one night stand is bizarre. Who says that to his family and children? (and INLAWS!)
More to this story for sure.

[TaraCrazyHair]

I want to hear more about these lives that were all involved with Shaniya so I can get a better grip on things. The only one I grieve for at this point is a 5 year old little precious girl was severely abused and is now dead. It is such a torment to me. God, I believe you took Shaniya's spirit and soul to you before she understood her torture and suffering. She right now is the only victim in this case.

I can only say one thing and that is I hope and pray the autopsy does not show her little body was raped

:(

I sincerely hope Mario stole her for his profit, lied about the mother, got scared and killed her out of fear (mercifully)

[VC2]

You could be right - maybe the FIL was trying to discreetly give a hint?

OR, the FIL could have meant that it was an inappropriate environment for Shaniya to be in (at the mother's)?

imo

wonder if this has to do with the new information that forced the PC to tomorrow.

Something isn't right. From Brad saying he had no idea of the charges against Antoinette (if true he just didnt care to find out) to letting his juvenile children be on NG but not appearing himself...

something is wrong with all this..and remember he did not keep custody of his own chidlren.

i dont like itAllen had already taken in Shaniya's half sister Cheyenne, because she said her dad wouldn't take care of her.

And Cheyenne says Brad did not provide for Shaniya.

"He didn't take care of her, his girlfriends took care of her," she said. "He loved her, but she was raised by other people. He hasn't been in her life."

[hooked2]

Which leads me to another point I always forget to bring up... is everyone here on the board really this pristine and lily white? Where have all my ANS buddies gone?

I mean, I've been around a few unsavory blocks. I sowed my oats, kicked up my heels, did a bit of harmless hell raising that could have lead me to trouble on a couple of occasions out of sheer stupidity and hard headedness. I was lucky on more then one occasion. I'm not perfect or holier then thou by any stretch of the imagination- am I alone in this?

Sometimes the extreme level of shock, disdain, and abhorrence over average or little things truly amazes me.

[MiamiNice1]

Uhh, maybe Brad describes it as a one-night stand because it sounds better than the alternative...you're right though...IDK about that situation, and even though people say it doesn't matter it sure has me curious...
Many things here have me curious, too!

[TaraCrazyHair]

Possible, but I think they would have some corroboration before sticking someone with those kinds of charges on the word of a man who is in the fight of his life.

At that point -- his fight was video taped!

And her bond is very low

[Lavinya]

Ok, good......also......if it were me.......I would be asking for a DNA test (if one was never done before) now - just to be positive. (not that it would matter, as Brad loves her as his own, obviously - but just to know).

imo

I would want to know with a gal like her who might try to shakedown the best financial candidate she could find.

[Lavinya]

At that point -- his fight was video taped!

And her bond is very low

Oh I don't think for a minute that he would care if it was videotaped. If he was trying to throw her under the bus he would be willing to testify personally I would think.

Her low bond is bothersome, though. :confused:

[MiamiNice1]

wonder if this has to do with the new information that forced the PC to tomorrow.

Something isn't right. From Brad saying he had no idea of the charges against Antoinette (if true he just didnt care to find out) to letting his juvenile children be on NG but not appearing himself...

something is wrong with all this..and remember he did not keep custody of his own chidlren.

i dont like it
Yes. Another big curiousity for me is WHY would the FIL volunteer to take Shaniya??? He is surely past child rearing years and has no blood connection to Shaniya. Maybe he is a kind soul?! Or for the sake of his other grandchildren who are half-siblings to Shaniya? :confused:

imo

[TaraCrazyHair]

Not if she was buried for several days. :sad:
There won't be much tissue left.

If there is enough tissue left -- they can tell

Pretty certain

Weather is a big factor

[Mayasmimi]

I can only say one thing and that is I hope and pray the autopsy does not show her little body was raped

:(

I sincerely hope Mario stole her for his profit, lied about the mother, got scared and killed her out of fear (mercifully)

Me too. On NG last night/tonight? That that area of her little body would be preserved and the proof would be there. Makes me sick.

[MiamiNice1]

I would want to know with a gal like her who might try to shakedown the best financial candidate she could find.
Exactly! Yet another good reason to know!

[Lavinya]

Which leads me to another point I always forget to bring up... is everyone here on the board really this pristine and lily white? Where have all my ANS buddies gone?

I mean, I've been around a few unsavory blocks. I sowed my oats, kicked up my heels, did a bit of harmless hell raising that could have lead me to trouble on a couple of occasions out of sheer stupidity and hard headedness. I was lucky on more then one occasion. I'm not perfect or holier then thou by any stretch of the imagination- am I alone in this?

Sometimes the extreme level of shock, disdain, and abhorrence over average or little things truly amazes me.

Too funny. I always wonder where all the people went that I partied with in my youth. That said, we didn't come across any trouble like this! :ohmy:

[TaraCrazyHair]

Oh I don't think for a minute that he would care if it was videotaped. If he was trying to throw her under the bus he would be willing to testify personally I would think.

Her low bond is bothersome, though. :confused:

Mario carried her into a hotel room -- caught on tape


??

A trusting little face i might add ... which broke me up more than anything

What do you think his purpose was since he admitted to the kidnapping?

[4Kids]

Which leads me to another point I always forget to bring up... is everyone here on the board really this pristine and lily white? Where have all my ANS buddies gone?

I mean, I've been around a few unsavory blocks. I sowed my oats, kicked up my heels, did a bit of harmless hell raising that could have lead me to trouble on a couple of occasions out of sheer stupidity and hard headedness. I was lucky on more then one occasion. I'm not perfect or holier then thou by any stretch of the imagination- am I alone in this?

Sometimes the extreme level of shock, disdain, and abhorrence over average or little things truly amazes me.

As I have said time and time again...my picket fence is light brown and has quite a few rungs missing...but it's mine. IMO

[BanX3]

I think saying it was a one night stand is bizarre. Who says that to his family and children? (and INLAWS!)
More to this story for sure.

good point. I would lie like crazy and say we had a "brief relationship" or something to that effect...not that I've been in that situation...

[hooked2]

Maybe there was more than a single one night stand?
** my contradiction meter is going off ** :laugh:

[Lavinya]

Not if she was buried for several days. :sad:
There won't be much tissue left.

If she were actually buried, that would preserve evidence.

I want to know where they got the info about this being a case of trafficking and where they got the tip of where Shaniya's body would be found. Someone's talking.

[4Kids]

If she were actually buried, that would preserve evidence.

I want to know where they got the info about this being a case of trafficking and where they got the tip of where Shaniya's body would be found. Someone's talking.

Hi Lavinya....I am of the opinion at this time that mamma broke. IMO

[Mayasmimi]

Too funny. I always wonder where all the people went that I partied with in my youth. That said, we didn't come across any trouble like this! :ohmy:

Have to agree with you. I was an idiot, before I had children.:ohmy:

[TaraCrazyHair]

Too funny. I always wonder where all the people went that I partied with in my youth. That said, we didn't come across any trouble like this! :ohmy:

I think most of us grew up, had families we love and reminiscence about days gone by

But as for pristine? lol

Not I!

[TaraCrazyHair]

If she were actually buried, that would preserve evidence.

I want to know where they got the info about this being a case of trafficking and where they got the tip of where Shaniya's body would be found. Someone's talking.

That is why i think it is mario doing the typical CYA

[jammies]

That is why i think it is mario doing the typical CYA


Presser at 10am tomorrow. Hopefully it will clear some things up.
Not holding my breath.

[4Kids]

That is why i think it is mario doing the typical CYA

Hey, Tara. Do you think Mario kidnapped this child without the mother knowing? IMO

[TaraCrazyHair]

Hey, Tara. Do you think Mario kidnapped this child without the mother knowing? IMO

I am beginning to think so, yes

Call it intuition

Need much more information

[Lavinya]

Mario carried her into a hotel room -- caught on tape


??

A trusting little face i might add ... which broke me up more than anything

What do you think his purpose was since he admitted to the kidnapping?

Wait a second, lol. I don't know if he lied or not. I'm just saying no matter what he says, I feel like LE will get corroboration before completely believing him as he has reason to lie if he wants to. He might lie to make himself look better, he may lie so they will make a deal to snitch AD out and get himself a lighter sentence, he may just lie because he's a big, fat liar. He may tell the truth, but I don't think they will take just his word on it.

[Lavinya]

Not if she was simply covered with dirt. The skin continues to deteriorate even in that condition.

Oh it definitely deteriorates! It's just that trace evidence is not carried away by wind or water, animals don't get to it as fast, etc. ME's almost always want a buried body to get evidence as opposed to one left in the elements.

[4Kids]

I am beginning to think so, yes

Call it intuition

Need much more information

I might agree with you except for the following:

Mother NEVER was interviewed by reporters. She never once asked for this child to be returned. She did not show her face or make any statement regarding her lost daughter. That does not sit well with me. I think she knew, Tara. She knew and was willing to throw Coe under the bus for kidnapping. IMO

[Mayasmimi]

I am beginning to think so, yes

Call it intuition

Need much more information

Tara,

I trust that you are open minded and will search and base your opinion on what you learn. What I've always liked about you. Haven't always agreed with you, but I do like you.

Mimi

[BanX3]

Oh it definitely deteriorates! It's just that trace evidence is not carried away by wind or water, animals don't get to it as fast, etc. ME's almost always want a buried body to get evidence as opposed to one left in the elements.

Does anyone know about how many days she was out there? I'm not sure of the timing of the surveillance tapes and all of that...

[hooked2]

A friend of mine whose husband had 6 encounters with one woman told her it was 6 x 1 night stands. I think men have a different way of looking at things than women do.
Hmmm, I'd like to think my response would be "well, in that case, I'd like 6 x what you are going to pay me in alimony" --Just for his bold stupidity :punch:

[jammies]

I might agree with you except for the following:

Mother NEVER was interviewed by reporters. She never once asked for this child to be returned. She did not show her face or make any statement regarding her lost daughter. That does not sit well with me. I think she knew, Tara. She knew and was willing to throw Coe under the bus for kidnapping. IMO


I think she blamed Coe to give Mario time to do whatever was the plan. And it worked. LE lost precious time.

[4Kids]

I think she blamed Coe to give Mario time to do whatever was the plan. And it worked. LE lost precious time.

Very interesting thought. Yes. If the hotel did not have cameras...Coe was on his way to the Big House....IMO;

[annalyzer]

Hey, Tara. Do you think Mario kidnapped this child without the mother knowing? IMO

LE questioned the mother for what, 3 days before arresting her. I think they must have good evidence against her of the charges they made.

[jammies]

She boxed herself in by the 911 call. She says Shaniya must have walked out the door.
Next thing ya know....she blames Coe.

Remember Coe saying she told him multiple stories?

[aproudmom]

It was so heartbreaking watching Shaniya's daddy on NG tonight I just wanted to reach out and hug him:sad:

RIP SWEET ANGEL:rose:

[Lavinya]

Hi Lavinya....I am of the opinion at this time that mamma broke. IMO

You think it's Momma, 4 kids? I'm not sure either way. I can see both of them racing to tell and try and get a good deal. I kind of think HE is talking because they went to the burial site PDQ and I wonder if she would know where that is. Plus, I kind of doubt that she would immediately start saying that she sold Shaniya for prostitution purposes. I think she would sugarcoat that until proof showed her wrong.

[jammies]

Does anyone know about how many days she was out there? I'm not sure of the timing of the surveillance tapes and all of that...


All depends on if Mario is the murderer.

[4Kids]

LE questioned the mother for what, 3 days before arresting her. I think they must have good evidence against her of the charges they made.

Yeah....again, I think mother admitted to "selling" this child. Selling or bartering, perhaps. I wonder what her reaction was to the video of Shaniya and Mario entering the hotel room. That very well could have been her breaking point (assuming I am right). When Coe was realeased, I think she knew the song was over. IMO

[BanX3]

Why don't you go look on the link thread.

Does anybody besides Elyssa know about how long Shaniya would have been out in the elements....

[aproudmom]

I might agree with you except for the following:

Mother NEVER was interviewed by reporters. She never once asked for this child to be returned. She did not show her face or make any statement regarding her lost daughter. That does not sit well with me. I think she knew, Tara. She knew and was willing to throw Coe under the bus for kidnapping. IMO

ITA with you 4Kids and he is visiting her:scared:

[4Kids]

You think it's Momma, 4 kids? I'm not sure either way. I can see both of them racing to tell and try and get a good deal. I kind of think HE is talking because they went to the burial site PDQ and I wonder if she would know where that is. Plus, I kind of doubt that she would immediately start saying that she sold Shaniya for prostitution purposes. I think she would sugarcoat that until proof showed her wrong.

Is there any word or confirmation as to how and with whom this child left the hotel room?

And yes Lavinya, I bet they are both singing and pointing fingers, as most perps do. LE seems very on top of this case, however. I think they got their lady and man....but I still wonder if there was someone waiting in that hotel room. For some reason...that is gnawing at me. IMO

[jammies]

ITA with you 4Kids and he is visiting her:scared:


I'm hoping he's trying to get info out of her for LE.

[BanX3]

All depends on if Mario is the murderer.

Thank You!

[aproudmom]

Does anybody besides Elyssa know about how long Shaniya would have been out in the elements....

I dont know if we can say until the ME says when she was murdered but if she was killed the same day then it would be about a week

The girl was reported missing by her mother, Antoinette Davis, Tuesday of last week

[jammies]

Is there any word or confirmation as to how and with whom this child left the hotel room?

And yes Lavinya, I bet they are both singing and pointing fingers, as most perps do. LE seems very on top of this case, however. I think they got their lady and man....but I still wonder if there was someone waiting in that hotel room. For some reason...that is gnawing at me. IMO



LE said she left with Mario alive but did not know her condition.

[4Kids]

ITA with you 4Kids and he is visiting her:scared:

Hey Proud. I think Coe knows what was going on in that trailer (and I think I can guess what was going on). It has been reported that he was the one who appeared upset when this child went "missing". I don't think he was in on the kidnapping/selling plan. Another sick case, Proud and another innocent child. IMO

[Lavinya]

Is there any word or confirmation as to how and with whom this child left the hotel room?

And yes Lavinya, I bet they are both singing and pointing fingers, as most perps do. LE seems very on top of this case, however. I think they got their lady and man....but I still wonder if there was someone waiting in that hotel room. For some reason...that is gnawing at me. IMO

Naw, we're not getting much about who, what or why regarding the hotel room. I haven't heard anything about the 60 year old man lately, either.

ETA: Except it was Mario that she left with, just don't know if anyone else was there.

[4Kids]

LE said she left with Mario alive but did not know her condition.

Thanks, Jammies. I read that, but was not sure if it was confirmed or what they meant by "did not know her condition". What does that mean exactly? They had video footage, I would assume? Did anyone else enter of leave that room? IMO

[TaraCrazyHair]

Yeah....again, I think mother admitted to "selling" this child. Selling or bartering, perhaps. I wonder what her reaction was to the video of Shaniya and Mario entering the hotel room. That very well could have been her breaking point (assuming I am right). When Coe was realeased, I think she knew the song was over. IMO

She was arrested after Mario was arrested

I keep that in mind

I do think she was on drugs .. not in any state of mind that rational people are in (911 calls shows that)

I think when she mentioned Coe, it was not to throw him under the bus but just irrational thinking

BUT -- I also keep in mind allegedly Mario owns the trailer she lives in, and that could go two ways ... easy access to the child or a rent was due, could not pay and offered her child

Evil world we live in for certain

I need so much more info ... as we all do

Regardless, this Mario is the sick character here regardless if he stole her or had her "given" to him and he needs to pay!

I am now waiting to see who has the murder charges ... M or A

That will change the scenario entirely

Bedtime ... and will pray the autopsy does not show rape

Poor baby :(

[Lavinya]

I hope Shaniya wasn't killed in hopes that the family would receive money as in the Somer Thompson case.

Dang, WTH has happened in that case? Should I go read up? (I haven't been there in days.)

[AnnieKins]

This is a nightmare. I have to go to sleep. Be back in the am when you guys have this all figured out..G'nite !

What we thought was a nightmare is just getting worse and worse. Heavy, heavy sigh...

[TaraCrazyHair]

LE said she left with Mario alive but did not know her condition.

I think they meant drugged or not (not resisting means she trusted him or drugged)

Moo

Night

[Lavinya]

What we thought was a nightmare is just getting worse and worse. Heavy, heavy sigh...

Hey Annie! Have you read the accusations being lobbed at Brad the Dad, tonight?

ETA::http://johnston.mync.com/site/johnston/news|Sports|Lifestyles/story/44620/some-claim-shaniya-davis-was-at-risk-and-needed-a-better-home

[hooked2]

I am beginning to think so, yes

Call it intuition

Need much more information
Hmmm. Actually, when I just relistened to the 911 call, the only thing that I felt was credible was when the mother said
"she didn't even take her pants, shoes, nothing" (not exact)
she didn't say "they didn't take" or "she didn't have"
... but "she didn't take" curious.

at that point, the question was seemingly unexpected, and the way and quickness with which she answered, it sort of sounds like she believed the child left under her own power.

Now, that was the only thing that stood out to me as somewhat truthful, the rest, no. Nuh uh.

[jammies]

Thanks, Jammies. I read that, but was not sure if it was confirmed or what they meant by "did not know her condition". What does that mean exactly? They had video footage, I would assume? Did anyone else enter of leave that room? IMO


That's all they've released. Not a word more.

[TaraCrazyHair]

I dont know if we can say until the ME says when she was murdered but if she was killed the same day then it would be about a week

The girl was reported missing by her mother, Antoinette Davis, Tuesday of last week

Dang it! Every time I want to sign off I see another post

Last one!

If she sold her daughter ... why report her missing?

Makes no sense

[aproudmom]

Does anyone know about how many days she was out there? I'm not sure of the timing of the surveillance tapes and all of that...

a week yesterday was when she was reported missing and last seen on the video IIRC hope that helps I am sure the ME will be able to say with in 24 to 48 hours on the TOD or day of death perhaps since we dont know if she was handed off to someone else which I do not think happened. JMO

[BanX3]

She was arrested after Mario was arrested

I keep that in mind

I do think she was on drugs .. not in any state of mind that rational people are in (911 calls shows that)

I think when she mentioned Coe, it was not to throw him under the bus but just irrational thinking

BUT -- I also keep in mind allegedly Mario owns the trailer she lives in, and that could go two ways ... easy access to the child or a rent was due, could not pay and offered her child

Evil world we live in for certain

I need so much more info ... as we all do

Regardless, this Mario is the sick character here regardless if he stole her or had her "given" to him and he needs to pay!

I am now waiting to see who has the murder charges ... M or A

That will change the scenario entirely

Bedtime ... and will pray the autopsy does not show rape

Poor baby :(

Wow, I did not know Mario owned her trailer. I wonder what he did for a living...

[BanX3]

a week yesterday was when she was reported missing and last seen on the video IIRC hope that helps I am sure the ME will be able to say with in 24 to 48 hours on the TOD or day of death perhaps since we dont know if she was handed off to someone else which I do not think happened. JMO

Alright, thanks again...

[AnnieKins]

OK, I didn't say this earlier because I figured I'd get blasted and I didn't feel like arguing....

When the half brother Byron was on Nancy Grace, and Brad showed up, I got the impression that made Byron uncomfortable. Or maybe it just make ME uncomfortable. But it struck me as odd that he'd been on several shows and had a press conference earlier, but NOW he doesn't want to speak on camera.

After seeing what the daughter Cheyenne had to say, I'm wondering if Brad showed up to make sure Byron didn't say anything similar?

OMH I think you're right, Dustee. I do think Byron felt very uncomfortable with his father there. And I thought it very odd that Brad would just stay there silently rubbing his shoulders etc. while on national tv. There's something wrong.

[jammies]

I think they meant drugged or not (not resisting means she trusted him or drugged)

Moo

Night


They never clarified what they meant.

[shelkobe]

I hope Shaniya wasn't killed in hopes that the family would receive money as in the Somer Thompson case.
I didn't follow that case, what happened there?

[hooked2]

I think they meant drugged or not (not resisting means she trusted him or drugged)

Moo

Night
you mean from the trailer?... I think they mean from the hotel. And at that point, I took it as they're wondering if she's alive or dead... if alive, has she been beaten or is she in shock from being brutally raped, etc... but, yeah, drugged would be another potential hazard.