11/17

[jammies]

Prayers for the family of sweet Shaniya. :rose:

[jammies]

http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/17/952795


Search for 5-year-old reaches tragic end; body found Monday

[ellegna]

Shaniya Davis remembered in Candlelight Vigils


http://primewriter.com/news-1246-headlines/?p=875

I am so heartbroken. I was truly hoping and praying for a happier outcome

:rose: Precious Shaniya

[jammies]

According to the article linked above, her body was found amidst deer carcasses. ????

[AJandTam]

According to the article linked above, her body was found amidst deer carcasses. ????

Morning Jammies. Yes, this is said to be true. We heard about this yesterday.

[klock777]

Bringing over from last night's thread:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenam
OMG -- I would have been at that house to pick Shaniya up in a heartbeat. WTH was she thinking not to take action??? Huge red flag especially knowing there were previous custody battles IMO.

But how could she? The police would have been no help and I will tell you why....

One time, my husband and I separated and had not filed for divorce yet. He had my daughter for the weekend. I went to his apartment to pick her up and his mother was there and they WOULD NOT LET ME LEAVE WITH HER! I found a police officer on the grounds and he came in the apt with me. He said since there were no divorce papers showing who was suppose to have custody, he had to assume she belonged there with her dad. He did say he could only stay there to keep the peace. Had I thought quick enough at the time, if I had just picked her up and headed out the door, the officer would had not let them stop me.
I finally ended up leaving without my daughter. My husband and his mother said since I went out of town alot - socially and job reason - they wanted to make sure I never took my daughter with me. I called an attorney the next day to see what could be done. The attorney told me just go along with what ever they say. They will go to an attorney who will tell them there is nothing that can be done until a divorce is filed stating who has custody and with order to not leave town with her. He told me probably what will happen is their attorney will tell them to hand write some sort of an agreement to fool you. He said "sign whatever they give you" it won't be legal - and get your daughter and get out of there.
He was right! They called the next afternoon & said I could pick her up. When I got there, they had a hand written agreement for me to sign that I would not take her out of town. I signed it, gathered up her things and my daughter and left. When I got home, I could not set things down fast enough to call my husband and his mother and told them HOW STUPID DO YOU THINK I AM????? Don't you EVER try that again!!!"
I filed for a divorce the next day stating I was to have temp custody until it was final.
So, from this experience, I can see where the aunt had not a ground to stand on in just going to AD's and getting the little girl - the police would have been no help at all whith her nor the dad not having custody papers.

[jammies]

Because of where she was found and what was around her it seems this was premeditated.

Someone KNEW where those deer carcasses were to throw off the dogs.

A hunter?

Now I'm thinking Mario wasn't alone in this.

[AJandTam]

Because of where she was found and what was around her it seems this was premeditated.

Someone KNEW where those deer carcasses were to throw off the dogs.

A hunter?

Now I'm thinking Mario wasn't alone in this.

I wonder if once Shaniya has been positively ID'ed, and the autopsy done. If we will find out more about what's been going on behind the scenes, and IF we are looking for any other people. In the past, we have had a bit of trouble getting information out of North Carolina, so i'm not sure. But the cases i'm remembering off the top of my head was out of Releigh.

[GentleBreeze]

Because of where she was found and what was around her it seems this was premeditated.

Someone KNEW where those deer carcasses were to throw off the dogs.

A hunter?

Now I'm thinking Mario wasn't alone in this.

I am not sure others are involved but if they are I hope they are all rounded up and brought to justice.

I thought he may have put her there because it was known that hunters may hunt in that area and skin and gut out the deer and leave the carcasses there. Maybe they were hoping if anyone smelled anything they would think it was from a dead deer.

I think Shaniya was placed above ground and not buried. That kudzu vine will hide anything especially a body of a small child.

Someone had to let LE know what area she was in. Maybe a hunter discovered the body and called LE or whomever found her just made an anonymous call telling them it was close to the deer carcass in that area.

imo

[jewel6]

I wonder if once Shaniya has been positively ID'ed, and the autopsy done. If we will find out more about what's been going on behind the scenes, and IF we are looking for any other people. In the past, we have had a bit of trouble getting information out of North Carolina, so i'm not sure. But the cases i'm remembering off the top of my head was out of Releigh.

I dont think the autopsy probally has been done yet! They didnt remove her right away. She would probally have to go to raleigh for autopsy. jmo

[Dunlurken]

Good morning fellow posters. First of all, let me apologize if I got out of line yesterday re. Shaniya's father and asking why did he leave her there (I realize it was the Aunt).

Secondly, I got absolutely no sleep last night. Every time I tried to close my eyes, the picture of her with Mario waiting for the elevator was right there in my face. And the dreams.......

Don't know if I can take another one of these cases. I'll do my best to keep my emotions in check if I decide to continue posting on this board.

Regards, Dunnie.

[Donnah]

Someone had to let LE know what area she was in. Maybe a hunter discovered the body and called LE or whomever found her just made an anonymous call telling them it was close to the deer carcass in that area.

imo

They might have just checked Mcniell's cell pings. They were searching a big area for 2 days, not a tiny location. Nobody made a beeline for the carcass dumpsite.

[Dunlurken]

I dont think the autopsy probally has been done yet! They didnt remove her right away. She would probally have to go to raleigh for autopsy. jmo

She was being taken to Chapel Hill, right outside Raleigh. JMO.

[AmndaRcknwth]

According to the ABC video (links thread) the cops had gone away from the area. Only 1 news crew remained along with some K-9 officers from the US Virgin Islands who were there to train with the dogs.

They found Shaniya.
The quality isn't the best, but this vid snippet -less than a minute- is the moment she was found.
One of the trainers speaks to the reporter, interesting what he says.

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Shaniya%20Davis/?action=view&current=023.flv

Pics being added...
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Shaniya%20Davis/

[jewel6]

According to the ABC video (links thread) the cops had gone away from the area. Only 1 news crew remained along with some K-9 officers from the US Virgin Islands who were there to train with the dogs.

They found Shaniya.
The quality isn't the best, but this vid snippet -less than a minute- is the moment she was found.
One of the trainers speaks to the reporter, interesting what he says.

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Shaniya%20Davis/?action=view&current=023.flv

Pics being added...
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Shaniya%20Davis/

Im trying to get it to load! Is that the guy that said he heard over the police radio that mcneil told them where to find her? Thats what i heard on the news last night but now i cant find him anywhere! jmo

[AJandTam]

I dont think the autopsy probally has been done yet! They didnt remove her right away. She would probally have to go to raleigh for autopsy. jmo

No, I don't think they done the autopsy yet either. Maybe today sometime.

[Ice Cycle]

They might have just checked Mcniell's cell pings. They were searching a big area for 2 days, not a tiny location. Nobody made a beeline for the carcass dumpsite.

G Morning All,

It's all so tragic and have not even let myself go there as far as the Mother's reasoning, though I always though she was involved just not for what she has been charged of. About the search, I had thought this yesterday that it was odd that she was found by a searcher, the pictures I saw was of a enormous forest area on both sides of the road and it showed forest for miles. I remember thinking I don't see how anyone just stumbled across her especially if she was under ground. So I just wonder if someone did not tip them off to a specific area and wonder who that person was.

[AJandTam]

According to the ABC video (links thread) the cops had gone away from the area. Only 1 news crew remained along with some K-9 officers from the US Virgin Islands who were there to train with the dogs.

They found Shaniya.
The quality isn't the best, but this vid snippet -less than a minute- is the moment she was found.
One of the trainers speaks to the reporter, interesting what he says.

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Shaniya%20Davis/?action=view&current=023.flv

Pics being added...
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Shaniya%20Davis/

Thanks Amnda, Yesterday they said a volunteer had found her. I had a sneaky feeling that would change. Don't know why. This morning they said it was the dogs and some police dept or something that had been in town training.

[JD1974]

This whole case just disgusts me more than any case I have ever followed, if anyone could make me change my mind on the DP it would be AD. I can't call her a mother because she isn't, she was the incubator for 9 months to the beautiful little girl who imo she helped degrade and then murder.

RIP Shaniya


Have they upgraded the charges yet?

[AJandTam]

This whole case just disgusts me more than any case I have ever followed, if anyone could make me change my mind on the DP it would be AD. I can't call her a mother because she isn't, she was the incubator for 9 months to the beautiful little girl who imo she helped degrade and then murder.

RIP Shaniya


Have they upgraded the charges yet?

I understand JD, and feel the exact same way. I think, it might be the story as the story has been told. This baby girl was in a happy environment where she most likely would have grown up and had a life someday if it wasn't for the simple twist of fate that brought her into the hands of someone who should have been the person Shaniya should have been able to trust. Yet, she wasn't, she betrayed Shaniya and everyone else who loved her. And you can't take that back. What is done, is done. Sometimes, we have to face when everything just won't be alright. Things will never be alright again. The true aunt who loved her, just had her whole world ripped to pieces and will never be the same again. No one who loved her will be.

No word on new charges yet.

[JD1974]

I heard on (I think) The Today Show that they are guarding her from other prisoners...even inmates can't stand baby killers.

[jewel6]

Does anyone know if mcneil had kids? :angry:

[AJandTam]

First I heard a "tip" led to her body, then it was simply police looking around, then a volunteer. Guess we get to pick one to beleive.

I know Abbie, the women named Chance who has been speaking to the public. I cant say that I found her information to be credible. By the time the body was found. Nothing she said was taken as fact. Sorry but....that's my opinion. .

[JD1974]

I understand JD, and feel the exact same way. I think, it might be the story as the story has been told. This baby girl was in a happy environment where she most likely would have grown up and had a life someday if it wasn't for the simple twist of fate that brought her into the hands of someone who should have been the person Shaniya should have been able to trust. Yet, she wasn't, she betrayed Shaniya and everyone else who loved her. And you can't take that back. What is done, is done. Sometimes, we have to face when everything just won't be alright. Things will never be alright again. The true aunt who loved her, just had her whole world ripped to pieces and will never be the same again. No one who loved her will be.

No word on new charges yet.




I think that IS what gets me the most, this little girl had everything going for her but for the twist of fate that brought her to those disgusting freaks. I think also it is her father, the raw grief I see in him just tears me up. I couldn't help but cry when I watched him this morning just falling apart. You are right, no one who loved her will ever be the same.

[AJandTam]

Does anyone know if mcneil had kids? :angry:

Not sure about kids, but didn't we hear his current GF is PG?? Or am I confusing that w/something else??

[JD1974]

First I heard a "tip" led to her body, then it was simply police looking around, then a volunteer. Guess we get to pick one to beleive.

I watched the video, it had who found her but her being found has me so upset still I can't even remember who it was....

[JD1974]

Not sure about kids, but didn't we hear his current GF is PG?? Or am I confusing that w/something else??

I thought it was AD who was preg by Coe?

[AJandTam]

I think that IS what gets me the most, this little girl had everything going for her but for the twist of fate that brought her to those disgusting freaks. I think also it is her father, the raw grief I see in him just tears me up. I couldn't help but cry when I watched him this morning just falling apart. You are right, no one who loved her will ever be the same.

Don't know the father but I do think the father is going to truly struggle to survive this. I don't know if I could.

[AJandTam]

I know AD is pregnant by coe, but i hadnt heard about mario! JMO

I'm not sure, it seems like I heard she was pg too. Can't remember for sure. So don't take that as fact.

[AJandTam]

I thought it was AD who was preg by Coe?

Yes, I heard that one too. Although, I didn't think she looked it yesterday, could be early yet. I hope that is just a rumor or another of her lies.

[Destini]

Im trying to get it to load! Is that the guy that said he heard over the police radio that mcneil told them where to find her? Thats what i heard on the news last night but now i cant find him anywhere! jmo

The guy said somebody overheard somebody in the parking say they had heard on the news or somewhere that he had killed her & dumped her body near deer carcasses & trash, so they went back & searched there & found her. This was a guy with the dog handlers from Virgin Islands.

It's on this video at around 3:30.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/video?id=7122110

[JD1974]

Don't know the father but I do think the father is going to truly struggle to survive this. I don't know if I could.

ITA with you about the dad, in light of what he has already endured , I am not sure he can handle this also. I am not sure I could either.

[AJandTam]

The medical dept where she is locked up knows, they pg test females so they know how to classify them and place them. Pg women get prenatals and an extra bag lunch for the extra nutrition. Bologna sandwich, apple, cookies, . They can't give out bananas. :scared:

I haven't heard confirmation since she was arrested. I still hold out hope that she is not pregnant. Maybe she just said that for other reasons.

[jewel6]

The guy said somebody overheard somebody in the parking say they had heard on the news or somewhere that he had killed her & dumped her body near deer carcasses & trash, so they went back & searched there & found her. This was a guy with the dog handlers from Virgin Islands.

It's on this video at around 3:30.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/video?id=7122110

Thank you! Thats exactly what i heard last night. I knew i wasnt losing my mind. :wink:

[AJandTam]

ITA with you about the dad, in light of what he has already endured , I am not sure he can handle this also. I am not sure I could either.

Yes, this would truly be the very worst thing that could happen to someone.

[Destini]

Thank you! Thats exactly what i heard last night. I knew i wasnt losing my mind. :wink:

When you posted that, it disturbed me & I wanted to find it, too. So glad we can let that one go, ha.

So I'm assuming the "he" that killed her & dumped her body near deer carcasses & trash is McNeill? Who else could it be? If it was anybody else, they would be arrested, wouldn't they?

It couldn't be somebody guessing because that was just too, too specific IMO

[JD1974]

Marc Klass said she should be voluntairily or involuntairily sterilized.

No need, she will be in prison for the rest of her life (at the least)...she won't be getting pregnant anymore.

[AJandTam]

When you posted that, it disturbed me & I wanted to find it, too. So glad we can let that one go, ha.

So I'm assuming the "he" that killed her & dumped her body near deer carcasses & trash is McNeill? Who else could it be? If it was anybody else, they would be arrested, wouldn't they?

It couldn't be somebody guessing because that was just too, too specific IMO

Destini. I do agree w/your reasoning. I think deep down people don't want Mario to be the one because of the video of him and Shaniya. That's understandable too. But so far, I haven't seen or heard anything that makes me believe there was anyone else involved. That might change, we'll see. No talk of finding anyone else either that i've heard. This is kind of weird based on the other charges against that other well you know.. Perhaps there was a plan that went wrong, I don't know. So far, the charges indicate that nothings changed. No one has been let out of jail like Coe was when new information came in.

[Donnah]

I thought HORRORS! With her drug habit she would not last long as a nurse.

But wouldn't that first and only raid on the drug closet be the bomb?! Kid in a candy store.

I had a cousin who couldn't even be trusted to visit her dying sister. She got her sister's used morphine bag, licked the insides, and OD'ed right there.

[mrsmcgoo]

Does anyone know if mcneil had kids? :angry:

Good morning...just catching up, but it was posted on here that he or his girlfriend that was at the courthouse, did indeed have a young child.

JMO

[Donnah]

Marc Klass said she should be voluntairily or involuntairily sterilized.

I thought it was the lady talking head on NG that said that. What I heard Klaas talking about is that we spend money globally on human trafficking because we consider ourselves a destination point only.

[GentleBreeze]

Destini. I do agree w/your reasoning. I think deep down people don't want Mario to be the one because of the video of him and Shaniya. That's understandable too. But so far, I haven't seen or heard anything that makes me believe there was anyone else involved. That might change, we'll see. No talk of finding anyone else either that i've heard. This is kind of weird based on the other charges against that other well you know.. Perhaps there was a plan that went wrong, I don't know. So far, the charges indicate that nothings changed. No one has been let out of jail like Coe was when new information came in.

I don't think the co-conspirators ever dreamed Shaniya's case would go national!!!!

imo

[jammies]

When you posted that, it disturbed me & I wanted to find it, too. So glad we can let that one go, ha.

So I'm assuming the "he" that killed her & dumped her body near deer carcasses & trash is McNeill? Who else could it be? If it was anybody else, they would be arrested, wouldn't they?

It couldn't be somebody guessing because that was just too, too specific IMO


WAY too specific, IMO. So either McNeill spilled or he knew exactly where someone else was going to take her body.

How would McNeill know EXACTLY where deer carcasses are? Don't see him as an adventerous hiker or hunter. Even if someone told him...that's a large wooded area that unless you were very familiar with, would be difficult to navigate.

[AJandTam]

But wouldn't that first and only raid on the drug closet be the bomb?! Kid in a candy store.

I had a cousin who couldn't even be trusted to visit her dying sister. She got her sister's used morphine bag, licked the insides, and OD'ed right there.

The power over people that some things have. It's amazing.

[Tia]

Good morning fellow posters. First of all, let me apologize if I got out of line yesterday re. Shaniya's father and asking why did he leave her there (I realize it was the Aunt).

Secondly, I got absolutely no sleep last night. Every time I tried to close my eyes, the picture of her with Mario waiting for the elevator was right there in my face. And the dreams.......

Don't know if I can take another one of these cases. I'll do my best to keep my emotions in check if I decide to continue posting on this board.

Regards, Dunnie.

Good Morning all!

Dunnie, can you explain what you mean about realizing it was the Aunt that left her there? I tried to catch up on last night's thread, but it appears there was a regular "troll-fest" over there and I don't want to wade through all of that.

Thanks!

[mrsmcgoo]

Oh! thanks just makes him more of a monster. sick! JMO

YVW....

Also...I felt bad for you yesterday when you posted hearing the man at the recovery site stating how he overheard about a confession on the radio. I knew you would never post anything that was not true. I am happy today that we have that link.

[AJandTam]

I don't think the co-conspirators ever dreamed Shaniya's case would go national!!!!

imo

Yeah, I wonder about that too. If the unexpected publicity played a role in this? I can see where they might not have thought anyone would pay any attention to this at all.

[jewel6]

I just really think that we might be in for more sick stuff coming out of this case. Who would ever dream that this stuff happens. That poor little girl. jmo :scared:

[AJandTam]

Good Morning all!

Dunnie, can you explain what you mean about realizing it was the Aunt that left her there? I tried to catch up on last night's thread, but it appears there was a regular "troll-fest" over there and I don't want to wade through all of that.

Thanks!

Tia, the father was out of town when Shaniya was taken to stay at the trailor. Best I can tell, the sister had her at the time, and was the one to drop her off. This information came from the dad himself.

[AJandTam]

I just really think that we might be in for more sick stuff coming out of this case. Who would ever dream that this stuff happens. That poor little girl. jmo :scared:

Are there any other children missing from that area and /or surrounding areas ? I am afraid to go look.

[Destini]

Destini. I do agree w/your reasoning. I think deep down people don't want Mario to be the one because of the video of him and Shaniya. That's understandable too. But so far, I haven't seen or heard anything that makes me believe there was anyone else involved. That might change, we'll see. No talk of finding anyone else either that i've heard. This is kind of weird based on the other charges against that other well you know.. Perhaps there was a plan that went wrong, I don't know. So far, the charges indicate that nothings changed. No one has been let out of jail like Coe was when new information came in.

I think there was probably a plan that went wrong, too, and all I want is the right person charged with this baby's murder.

Just thinking out loud, I suppose the killer could have told Mario he killed her & where he put her, Mario relayed this to LE, but he doesn't actually know the killer's true identity & so they're searching for him. If that's the case, he never actually knew who this person was, that's really scary. Maybe that's the 60-year-old in the blue car?

But how many of those are there? That would be like a needle in a haystack. Every old guy with a blue Toyota would be panicking.

Sorry if I'm rambling, not enough coffee yet.

[mrsmcgoo]

I don't think the co-conspirators ever dreamed Shaniya's case would go national!!!!

imo

I completely agree on this. Kind of like Scott Peterson....never DREAMED all the media coverage.

I wonder though if that picture of McNeill and Shaniya waiting for that elevator was not released, would this story be so big?

It's sad to say, but some children go missing, all beautiful little angels, but they don't generate the media attention this case has.
:crying:

JMO

[Tia]

Tia, the father was out of town when Shaniya was taken to stay at the trailor. Best I can tell, the sister had her at the time, and was the one to drop her off. This information came from the dad himself.

ohhhhhhhhh! Okay, got it! Thanks Tam! and good morning to you!!!

Nancy Grace could barely keep it together last night over this case. Did you see her by chance?

[mrsmcgoo]

Tia, the father was out of town when Shaniya was taken to stay at the trailor. Best I can tell, the sister had her at the time, and was the one to drop her off. This information came from the dad himself.

Also to add to that, the Aunt was to pick Shaniya up in a few days, was to be only a weekend stay. Apparenty the mother would not allow the Aunt to pick Shaniya up. The poor Aunt had no choice or legal avenue, so it was to be dealt with when Bradley returned from working out of town. Than of course we know the rest, here we are today.

I got this from the thread last night.

JMO

[AJandTam]

I think there was probably a plan that went wrong, too, and all I want is the right person charged with this baby's murder.

Just thinking out loud, I suppose the killer could have told Mario he killed her & where he put her, Mario relayed this to LE, but he doesn't actually know the killer's true identity & so they're searching for him. If that's the case, he never actually knew who this person was, that's really scary. Maybe that's the 60-year-old in the blue car?

But how many of those are there? That would be like a needle in a haystack. Every old guy with a blue Toyota would be panicking.

Sorry if I'm rambling, not enough coffee yet.

Hopefully more information will come to light soon. Whatever was going on w/the man in the blue toyota. That seems to have been forgotten so far?? Very confusing huh?

[jammies]

I still believe that is why they killed her...she became to hot to hand off to the next..I beleive there are more peeps involved in this. MOO


I still can't figure out why the so called incubator called 911 though?:confused:

Because Dad was on his way home.

[jewel6]

How was she gonna explain to the school why she wasnt there? She would also have to tell dad sooner or later. jmo

[AJandTam]

ohhhhhhhhh! Okay, got it! Thanks Tam! and good morning to you!!!

Nancy Grace could barely keep it together last night over this case. Did you see her by chance?

Good Morning Tia,
I didn't. I had hoped to catch it online today. Last night, I didn't want to watch anything like this around my own children. To horrible .

[AJandTam]

Also to add to that, the Aunt was to pick Shaniya up in a few days, was to be only a weekend stay. Apparenty the mother would not allow the Aunt to pick Shaniya up. The poor Aunt had no choice or legal avenue, so it was to be dealt with when Bradley returned from working out of town. Than of course we know the rest, here we are today.

I got this from the thread last night.

JMO

This is news to me. I had not heard the aunt tried to pick her up but was refused.

[AJandTam]

I still believe that is why they killed her...she became to hot to hand off to the next..I beleive there are more peeps involved in this. MOO


I still can't figure out why the so called incubator called 911 though?:confused:

My guess is that she had too because the dad and his family would be on her case about the baby soon. I think, she thought she was a really good liar and could get away w/her story.

[AJandTam]

Be back soon. Gonna take care of things while we wait..

[annalyzer]

This is news to me. I had not heard the aunt tried to pick her up but was refused.


It was posted and discussed yesterday.

[witchywoman]

Hi all..

Ive been reading the forums here and havent posted as ive been in lurking mode most of the time..

however, i just wanted to say that Shaniya is a precious lil angel

may the sun kiss her face every morning, and may the stars provide a blanket of warmth to her

rip lil one

[mrsmcgoo]

This is news to me. I had not heard the aunt tried to pick her up but was refused.

Here is a link to this story, has more details than I posted also.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/topstories/story/1060111.html

[FindtheLost]

Was the "incubato"r in court yesterday afternoon, or was that postponed?

Here is the link.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/6431724/

[Beasmom]

I still say Mario was not alone, and I'm thinking he is not the killer either. I think he was a "hand-off" man (hence child trafficing term)...handed her off and when the heat got to hot to hand her off to the next in line....they had to dispose of her.:sad:

RIP Shaiya :rose:

I think he was just the hand-off link, too (I can't bring myself to call him a "person"). He delivered that little child to her murderer, who then dumped her when he was finished with her. imo

[Beasmom]

I haven't heard confirmation since she was arrested. I still hold out hope that she is not pregnant. Maybe she just said that for other reasons.

I hope a medical professional is on hand to determine the health of the baby she is carrying. Weren't the reporters and a half-sister saying last night that AD is a cocaine user?

[KatieLady]

In the above link, it states that her dad "has not returned from the out of town job in Oregon yet" so how could he have been heading to visit Shaiya?

Still don't know why she called 911????:confused:

"That resolution never came. Bradley Lockhart had not returned from a job in Oregon when Shaniya disappeared."

From previous reports he was to return the day after Shaniya went missing IIRC

Morning all.....I had a terrible time sleeping last night :sad:

[Beasmom]

I think the punishment for this crime should be in direct proportion to the fear this little girl must have felt during the final moments of her life. I just had to say that and get it off my chest. I am disgusted by this case. A precious little child served up--by those who were supposed to love and protect her--to satisfy someone's perversions. And for what? Drugs? Money? Debt?

[Dunlurken]

Here is a link to this story, has more details than I posted also.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/topstories/story/1060111.html

Okay, I'm going to give it another try today. From your link:

"Shaniya has bounced between homes since birth, shared between a mother and a father who conceived her during a chance encounter one night. Carey Lockhart had been the girl's primary guardian because her father, Bradley Lockhart, worked long stretches as a building contractor at out-of-state jobs."

[Dunlurken]

From previous reports he was to return the day after Shaniya went missing IIRC

Morning all.....I had a terrible time sleeping last night :sad:I didn't sleep either. That damm picture of the trusting eyes just about killed me. While she was being taken to her death. JMO. No shoes, no socks, hair not fixed.....and it was cold outside.

[Dunlurken]

ITA..she bacame a liability when the news hit the air waves..and who ever had her at the time, had no place to go with her without implicating themselvs. MOO
I think she was already deceased by then. I, personally, don't think she came out of the hotel alive. JMO.

Remember yesterday, it was said, don't have a link.... but they know she was taken in and out of the hotel. JMO.

[mrsmcgoo]

From previous reports he was to return the day after Shaniya went missing IIRC

Morning all.....I had a terrible time sleeping last night :sad:

Sorry to hear that, it was the same for alot of us I think.

Those pics of Shaniya with McNeill are haunting and brought us all so close to this crime. :crying:

[Dunlurken]

Sorry to hear that, it was the same for alot of us I think.

Those pics of Shaniya with McNeill are haunting and brought us all so close to this crime. :crying:

Why do I have the urge to get into a sleuthing mode?

Help me out here people. How long was Shaniya with her "mom" (and I use the term loosely). Just a weekend? When was she taken to the hotel? Dates....we need dates.

[Darcy]

Don't know the father but I do think the father is going to truly struggle to survive this. I don't know if I could.



It is comforting to know that you changed your mind over night. Yesterday you said 'he turned his child over to satan without paying attention', that he was 'thinking more about himself and his new life' because he was engaged. Did you have an epiphany?

[FindtheLost]

Thank you...did you watch the video of the vigil last night with her dad...OMG...heart breaking.:crying:

It's on the link..under "video's"


I watched it before I took my son to school. I couldn't stop crying. Every person in the videos from both vigils were more emotional that AD.

I pray the father and aunt (father's sister) can find peace.

[Dunlurken]

It is comforting to know that you changed your mind over night. Yesterday you said 'he turned his child over to satan without paying attention', that he was 'thinking more about himself and his new life' because he was engaged. Did you have an epiphany?
It's the truth. He did turn his daughter over without checking things out. He had custody of her. Stupidity is not acceptable when children are involved.

Let's not go back to the father PLEASE!

[tv4me]

I'm new to this case. Is there a link to the info and picture of the man taking her into a motel? Thanks

[Dunlurken]

I do believe she was taken there on Oct 31 and was only to stay the weekend. AD would not allow the aunt to pick her up.

When was she taken to the hotel?

[Tia]

She was taken there on Oct 31 and was only to stay the weekend. AD would not allow the aunt to pick her up.

"Shaniya went to visit her mother on Oct. 31. Lockhart said she packed Shaniya enough clothes for two days and expected to pick her up that Sunday.


But on Sunday morning, Lockhart said, Davis called and told her that she'd never see Shaniya again. Lockhart said Davis was angry that she had disciplined Shaniya for getting into a fight with her cousins.


“I was at a loss; I had no idea what to do,” said Lockhart, who had no formal custody of Shaniya and could not demand her return."

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/topstories/story/1060111.html

I think it was earlier in the month, like the 9th or something.

I will go look.

[Dunlurken]

She was taken there on Oct 31 and was only to stay the weekend. AD would not allow the aunt to pick her up.

"Shaniya went to visit her mother on Oct. 31. Lockhart said she packed Shaniya enough clothes for two days and expected to pick her up that Sunday.


But on Sunday morning, Lockhart said, Davis called and told her that she'd never see Shaniya again. Lockhart said Davis was angry that she had disciplined Shaniya for getting into a fight with her cousins.


“I was at a loss; I had no idea what to do,” said Lockhart, who had no formal custody of Shaniya and could not demand her return."

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/topstories/story/1060111.html
Thanks. We were posting at the same time I guess. Is Sunday the date of the hotel pics? Saturday night?

[mrsmcgoo]

When was she taken to the hotel?

Dun, you have to go back and read up I think. lol

She was taken to the hotel the morning she was reported missing.

Seriously though, the links are great for all these details.


JMO

[Dunlurken]

I'm new to this case. Is there a link to the info and picture of the man taking her into a motel? ThanksWelcome aboard. I'm sure I can't look at it again. It's probably on the links thread and someone else will have to provide it.

[Dunlurken]

Dun, you have to go back and read up I think. lol

She was taken to the hotel the morning she was reported missing.

Seriously though, the links are great for all these details.


JMOwho can remember them all? And who has hours to sort through them? :confused:

[veejaye]

Here is a link to this story, has more details than I posted also.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/topstories/story/1060111.html

Thanks mrsmcgoo, this explains a lot. My thoughts and prayers are with Shariya's father and his sister. What a horrific experience. Sounds similar to Casey Anthony who got angry with her mother who was a dotting grandmother to Casey's child. So Casey may have killed her child to spite her mother.

[Darcy]

It's the truth. He did turn his daughter over without checking things out. He had custody of her. Stupidity is not acceptable when children are involved.

Let's not go back to the father PLEASE!



Is stupidity only allowed on message boards, when posters make personal comments about the family without accurate, official information or evidence?

[Tia]

I believe that is when she went missing. IIRC

I know. But I thought it was early to mid October that Bradley let Shaniya's "mom" have her.

[Dunlurken]

Thanks mrsmcgoo, this explains a lot. My thoughts and prayers are with Shariya's father and his sister. What a horrific experience. Sounds similar to Casey Anthony who got angry with her mother who was a dotting grandmother to Casey's child. So Casey may have killed her child to spite her mother.
From that link:

"A little more than a week before Shaniya Davis vanished, her mother told Carey Lockhart, the aunt who helped raise the 5-year-old, that she'd never see Shaniya again. "

Are we getting conflicting stories?

[jammies]

who can remember them all? And who has hours to sort through them? :confused:


Less time posting and more time reading would solve that, Dunnie. :wink:

[Chica]

Good morning fellow posters. First of all, let me apologize if I got out of line yesterday re. Shaniya's father and asking why did he leave her there (I realize it was the Aunt).

Secondly, I got absolutely no sleep last night. Every time I tried to close my eyes, the picture of her with Mario waiting for the elevator was right there in my face. And the dreams.......

Don't know if I can take another one of these cases. I'll do my best to keep my emotions in check if I decide to continue posting on this board.

Regards, Dunnie.

Good Morning all! Dunnie, Everyones' emotions were running on high yesterday and trying to find blame is natural. I am so glad that you posted this today because I have enjoyed posting with you and was a little surprised by your take. The picture of this beautiful child, being carried by Mr. McNeill is one of those sights that will forever remain burned into my brain. Because she looked so innocent and trusting and we can imagine what awaited her is so terrible that our belief of humanity was shaken. I am dying inside for the father and what he is experiencing today, the unimaginable. I have lost a child and it is something only people who have lost a child can understand. There is no longer any tomorrow for him. This murder has effected us posters like no other that I can remember because it was like we were with him carrying Shanyia. I wish we had never seen those pictures and I am so sorry Mr. Lockhart had to see them. Hope that we as posters can comfort each other today.

[Dunlurken]

Less time posting and more time reading would solve that, Dunnie. :wink:

You got it!

[jammies]

The dad stated 10/9 but the sister says it was 10/31. There are conflicting reports. I questioned this yesterday too ...

Lots of conflicting reports on the timeline/custody/visitation issues. Seems no one was on the same page or we just aren't getting the entire picture yet.

[jammies]

You got it!


Thanks! :smile:

[Beasmom]

She was taken there on Oct 31 and was only to stay the weekend. AD would not allow the aunt to pick her up.

"Shaniya went to visit her mother on Oct. 31. Lockhart said she packed Shaniya enough clothes for two days and expected to pick her up that Sunday.


But on Sunday morning, Lockhart said, Davis called and told her that she'd never see Shaniya again. Lockhart said Davis was angry that she had disciplined Shaniya for getting into a fight with her cousins.


“I was at a loss; I had no idea what to do,” said Lockhart, who had no formal custody of Shaniya and could not demand her return."

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/topstories/story/1060111.html

Has any news source interviewed the family to find out if little Shaniya was happy at the prospect of visiting AD? I was wondering if there were signs that Shaniya was upset when she had to leave? I heard a report last night that child protective services had to be called to the AD residence in the past.

[minimarshm]

In the above link, it states that her dad "has not returned from the out of town job in Oregon yet" so how could he have been heading to visit Shaiya?

Still don't know why she called 911????:confused:

"That resolution never came. Bradley Lockhart had not returned from a job in Oregon when Shaniya disappeared."



I think she called 911 to cast blame away from her so the LE would see her as a victim and not suspect her.

[Tia]

I believe that is when she went missing. IIRC

Ok. I knew I heard the 9th somewhere, I have NO idea where!!! I can't find a thing.

[minimarshm]

Okay, I'm going to give it another try today. From your link:

"Shaniya has bounced between homes since birth, shared between a mother and a father who conceived her during a chance encounter one night. Carey Lockhart had been the girl's primary guardian because her father, Bradley Lockhart, worked long stretches as a building contractor at out-of-state jobs."



My heart goes out to the Aunt, the father, ad the stepsiblings who loved her so much. No baby deserves the hell she was put through in her last hours on Earth.

[Tia]

I think she called 911 to cast blame away from her so the LE would see her as a victim and not suspect her.

She wasn't very bright about it. From day one the whole story was fishy.

[jammies]

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6435879/


Updated with a Davis aunt (Mitchell) giving her two cents.

[Chica]

She was taken there on Oct 31 and was only to stay the weekend. AD would not allow the aunt to pick her up.

"Shaniya went to visit her mother on Oct. 31. Lockhart said she packed Shaniya enough clothes for two days and expected to pick her up that Sunday.


But on Sunday morning, Lockhart said, Davis called and told her that she'd never see Shaniya again. Lockhart said Davis was angry that she had disciplined Shaniya for getting into a fight with her cousins.


“I was at a loss; I had no idea what to do,” said Lockhart, who had no formal custody of Shaniya and could not demand her return."

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/topstories/story/1060111.html

Thank you so much for posting this link. I have posted that Mr. Lockhart did NOT have legal custody, but it appears some are still of the impression that he did. The bottom line is it doesn't matter who had custody or that no one had full custody, the fact remains that a mother who had no feelings for her own flesh and blood gave her to the devil. Mr. Lockhart will be forced to live with this mistake for the rest of his life.

[mrsmcgoo]

Thanks mrsmcgoo, this explains a lot. My thoughts and prayers are with Shariya's father and his sister. What a horrific experience. Sounds similar to Casey Anthony who got angry with her mother who was a dotting grandmother to Casey's child. So Casey may have killed her child to spite her mother.

Oh, I hadn't thought of that comparison. Very vendictive. Like Casey, this Mom had not bond with her child. These little girls were both possesions, not humans almost too these so called mothers.

JMO

[ish]

Okay, I'm going to give it another try today. From your link:

"Shaniya has bounced between homes since birth, shared between a mother and a father who conceived her during a chance encounter one night. Carey Lockhart had been the girl's primary guardian because her father, Bradley Lockhart, worked long stretches as a building contractor at out-of-state jobs."

This statement says so much. People have to start being more responsible with birth control. Children should not be the result of a "chance encounter" They should be loved and wanted. I know that there are a lot of "unplanned" children out there who are dearly loved and wanted, so don't bash me. But too many of these children we read about on the boards are just like this little girl. Things have got to change!!!

[Chica]

I have not heard or read anything about that myself. IIRC they had just moved into this trailer...not quite sure about the CPS involvment at this point.

My goodness. Yes, it was reported that DSS had been called previously, but don't have any details. There is a plethora of information in the links. There is so much information from Mr. Lockhart's tragic past to the wrong person being arrested that the links really should be read if some are new to this thread.

[jammies]

You are so correct about the conflicting reports. Dad says he had to beg AD to contact SD. Then the sister says AD had weekend visits with her. Also there are reports of custody battles yet the sister says there was no court involvement. So were the custody battles just between mother and father? When I read "custody battles" I automatically think court intervention. :shrug:

One thing for sure is that dad and sister are not on the same page IMO

Sounds like it was an ongoing contentious relationship between mom and dad. Not sure why the dad would beg her to see Shaniya when she was a drug user and no job, etc. IF she spent so many weekends at her house, trailer (whatever) then it would have been apparent things weren't on the up and up with Antoinette. So....did Shaniya really spend weekends there??
I don't know......guess because of no custody agreement or court records we may never know what went on.

I still am reeling that the aunt didn't call LE when mom threatened her. I would have at LEAST asked for a wellness check. Because she didn't and neither did the father makes me think this was an ongoing battle and nothing particularly NEW for them.

[jammies]

This statement says so much. People have to start being more responsible with birth control. Children should not be the result of a "chance encounter" They should be loved and wanted. I know that there are a lot of "unplanned" children out there who are dearly loved and wanted, so don't bash me. But too many of these children we read about on the boards are just like this little girl. Things have got to change!!!


ITA ish. No bashing here.

[Debb]

Thx for the like jammies. I truly cannot imagine how any of them feel at this point...it's got to be totally overwhelming. I personally am drained and I am not even involved on a personal level.


This is true. I'm not sure why I feel so close to this case. (Granted I live about an hour's drive from where she was taken and from where her body was found.) But still there is just something about that child that just speaks to you.

One minute I feel so angry that I could scream and the next I feel so heartbroken. I think it will take awhile to adjust. I think seeing her alive on that hotel video tape is what really affected me the most.

[GentleBreeze]

I think he was just the hand-off link, too (I can't bring myself to call him a "person"). He delivered that little child to her murderer, who then dumped her when he was finished with her. imo

Is the surveillance photo of Shaniya going into the motel with McNeil?

Do they have one where he leaves with her?

How long did he have her in that room?

TIA

[jammies]

This is true. I'm not sure why I feel so close to this case. (Granted I live about an hour's drive from where she was taken and from where her body was found.) But still there is just something about that child that just speaks to you.

One minute I feel so angry that I could scream and the next I feel so heartbroken. I think it will take awhile to adjust. I think seeing her alive on that hotel video tape is what really affected me the most.


You nailed it. One minute angry and the next in tears.
That's why I hope when we see posts we don't agree with at the MOMENT....we might be agreeing 10 minutes later! lol
It's been an emo rollercoaster for everyone.

[Justice4all]

You could be right angellaw, this case got hot too quick.

However, I'm inclined to think Shaniya was already dead when she left that hotel.

God knows what the pedo did to that baby that her little body wasn't mature enough to handle.

MOO

I agree she was probably dead when she left the hotel because the police said the other day McNeil left the hotel with her but they didn't know what shape she was in then. Made me wonder if he had her wrapped up in a blanket or something or thrown over his shoulder.

I guess we'll find out in time.

Did they exhume her body last night and get it ID'ed?


MHO

[darcie]

When was she taken to the hotel?

She was taken to the hotel the SAME DAY she was reported missing by the mother. The same day the 911 call was made, and the same day the Amber Alert was issued. Tuesday, November 10, the same day the father returned home.

[KatieLady]

Is the surveillance photo of Shaniya going into the motel with McNeil? yes

Do they have one where he leaves with her? we don't know

How long did he have her in that room? 1 hr

TIA

Mine in red

[Beasmom]

Is the surveillance photo of Shaniya going into the motel with McNeil?

Do they have one where he leaves with her?

How long did he have her in that room?

TIA

On Nancy Grace's program last night it was reported that Shaniya and/or McNeil was in the room approximately one hour. I do not recall if there is actual footage of him leaving with Shaniya. Anyone?

[jewel6]

Is the surveillance photo of Shaniya going into the motel with McNeil?

Do they have one where he leaves with her?

How long did he have her in that room?

TIA

That is photo of him taking her in the motel. they do have one leaving but never released it. they saaid that they werent sure of her condition when they left. i think he was there about a hour or a little more. i wonder if really even ever checked in. jmo

[Justice4all]

Is the surveillance photo of Shaniya going into the motel with McNeil?

Do they have one where he leaves with her?

How long did he have her in that room?

TIA

well cops say he left about 730am...so they were there about an hour and half and they said McNeil left with Shaniya but they didn't know if Shaniya was alive when she left the hotel.

So i have a feeling they did have security photo's of them leaving. :(

[Chica]

This statement says so much. People have to start being more responsible with birth control. Children should not be the result of a "chance encounter" They should be loved and wanted. I know that there are a lot of "unplanned" children out there who are dearly loved and wanted, so don't bash me. But too many of these children we read about on the boards are just like this little girl. Things have got to change!!!

I agree with your post but things will never change. Morals no longer exist in our society. I am an old fashioned thinker of marriage before having children and the fact that I have to label myself as "old fashioned" speaks volumes to the moral decline of our great country. I see no way out. Sorry to be so pessimistic, but having children, abusing them, killing them appears to be the result of selfish, narcissistic people who believe the world is their apple. And these people are everywhere.

[darcie]

From that link:

"A little more than a week before Shaniya Davis vanished, her mother told Carey Lockhart, the aunt who helped raise the 5-year-old, that she'd never see Shaniya again. "

Are we getting conflicting stories?

The Aunt Carey stated she took her to Antoinette's on Saturday Oct. 31. She was supposed to pick her up Sunday, the mother said no through a phone call, and she was reported missing the following Tuesday.


Conflicting? possibly. I am sure it will come out in the days ahead. patience.....:wink:

[5boxersmom]

Cops now on the hunt a child killer in the death of 5-yr. old Shaniya Davis. A child's body was discovered yesterday in a wooded area after cops received a tip that the Shaniya was dumped along a road. Now that investigators have likely found the body of Shaniya, police begin the process of figuring out what happened... after Shaniya last seen alive on hotel surveillance video with a man now charged with her kidnapping. Who killed Shaniya Davis and dumped her body in the woods?

http://www.facebook.com/#/NancyGraceHLN?ref=nf

[jewel6]

well cops say he left about 730am...so they were there about an hour and half and they said McNeil left with Shaniya but they didn't know if Shaniya was alive when she left the hotel.

So i have a feeling they did have security photo's of them leaving. :(

yep and is says alot about not releasing it.:sad: jmo

[Beasmom]

Sahniya is the spitting image of my next door neighbors grandaughter..as soon as I saw the picture I darn near fell over..but I knew her grandbabies are here and not in NC.

Shaniya--like all innocent victims--represents all little children.

Our minds imagine what happened in the final hours of her shattered life. The fear and violence we can imagine are in direct opposition to the photos we see of her in her costumes, laughing and having fun. The contrast is just too great.

imo

[Chica]

well cops say he left about 730am...so they were there about an hour and half and they said McNeil left with Shaniya but they didn't know if Shaniya was alive when she left the hotel.

So i have a feeling they did have security photo's of them leaving. :(

Sadly, I do, too. And that is probably why the photos of them leaving were never made public..

[Beasmom]

I agree with your post but things will never change. Morals no longer exist in our society. I am an old fashioned thinker of marriage before having children and the fact that I have to label myself as "old fashioned" speaks volumes to the moral decline of our great country. I see no way out. Sorry to be so pessimistic, but having children, abusing them, killing them appears to be the result of selfish, narcissistic people who believe the world is their apple. And these people are everywhere.

Having children, abusing them and killing them is also the result of drugs. Until we can get drug use under control, many children will be at risk. It's so sad. I believe that as soon as illegal drugs are suspected in a household, any children should be removed to protective services. imo

[GentleBreeze]

Okay, I'm going to give it another try today. From your link:

"Shaniya has bounced between homes since birth, shared between a mother and a father who conceived her during a chance encounter one night. Carey Lockhart had been the girl's primary guardian because her father, Bradley Lockhart, worked long stretches as a building contractor at out-of-state jobs."

I think the media likes to sensationalize Dunnie.

If that is the premise then millions of children are bounced between parents that are not in the same home with their children. They may be with their dad or mom most of the time and then every other weekend they are off to the other parent's home or to stay with their grandparents or other family members.

It seemed when Brad was out of state working then Carey was Shaniya's caregiver and when he was back home, he was and of course from time to time she spent a weekend here and there with her mother.

imo

[jewel6]

I still think McNeill was taking her to someone else who already had a room there. It does not seem like the type if motel McNeill would take a child..I believe he needed $$ and if he was interested in the child himself, he would have taken her to a "seedier" motel...IMO

i agree with you! i dont he checked in or out! jmo

[Chica]

On Nancy Grace's program last night it was reported that Shaniya and/or McNeil was in the room approximately one hour. I do not recall if there is actual footage of him leaving with Shaniya. Anyone?

no................................................ ....................

[Breakingnews]

MSNBC. Kerrie Sanders in Fayetteville. He says after the father IDs the body that Antoinette & Mario will be facing additional charges...but he's unsure if Mario will be charged with murder because sources tell him that LE believes Shaniya was alive when she was taken from the motel.

[Chica]

Reading this sounds like someone may have reported strange goings on with people in and out re: drugs. Anytime children are in a home where drug activity is suspected CPS is called in. They may have not found any neglect re: her son. Since she only had Shaniya on weekends doubt she was there at the time of CPS involvement. What is confusing to me if there were no court intervention why would CPS be involved with custody issues. Throughout this case I think there has been a bit of misreporting:

Police spokeswoman Theresa Chance said the family has a history with the Department of Social Services as far as custody of Shaniya and other children in the house.

Chance said police also have been called to the home before. Officers served a search warrant at the home over the summer and found various illegal drugs inside."

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6397519/

She did not have her on weekends.

[Justice4all]

Sadly, I do, too. And that is probably why the photos of them leaving were never made public..

Exactly ..............:crying:

[Beasmom]

i agree with you! i dont he checked in or out! jmo

I agree with you, too. I don't think he was there to commit the crime; he was there to deliver Shaniya to her abuser and murderer. Still makes him an enabler and facilitator--and just as guilty. imo

[jewel6]

MSNBC. Kerrie Sanders in Fayetteville. He says after the father IDs the body that Antoinette & Mario will be facing additional charges...but he's unsure if Mario will be charged with murder because sources tell him that LE believes Shaniya was alive when she was taken from the motel.

Thanks. omg poor father!!! cant they do it by dental records?

[Chica]

MSNBC. Kerrie Sanders in Fayetteville. He says after the father IDs the body that Antoinette & Mario will be facing additional charges...but he's unsure if Mario will be charged with murder because sources tell him that LE believes Shaniya was alive when she was taken from the motel.

I have felt from day 1, Mr McNeill did not kill her.

[jewel6]

I agree with you, too. I don't think he was there to commit the crime; he was there to deliver Shaniya to her abuser and murderer. Still makes him an enabler and facilitator--and just as guilty. imo

And why take her to sanford? he could of got a way cheaper hotel right there from where he took her. very bad part of town and no one would of ever been the wiser. jmo

[Chica]

Thanks. omg poor father!!! cant they do it by dental records?

I am sure he wants to see her to say goodbye. Remember how upset Somer's mom was because LE advised her NOT to see Somer's remains?

[Brattnt]

MSNBC. Kerrie Sanders in Fayetteville. He says after the father IDs the body that Antoinette & Mario will be facing additional charges...but he's unsure if Mario will be charged with murder because sources tell him that LE believes Shaniya was alive when she was taken from the motel.

Thank you for the update Breaking...My heart hurts so much for Shaniya's daddy...:crying:

MOO

[jammies]

I agree with your post but things will never change. Morals no longer exist in our society. I am an old fashioned thinker of marriage before having children and the fact that I have to label myself as "old fashioned" speaks volumes to the moral decline of our great country. I see no way out. Sorry to be so pessimistic, but having children, abusing them, killing them appears to be the result of selfish, narcissistic people who believe the world is their apple. And these people are everywhere.


Applause and cheers from me, Chica!

[Beasmom]

MSNBC. Kerrie Sanders in Fayetteville. He says after the father IDs the body that Antoinette & Mario will be facing additional charges...but he's unsure if Mario will be charged with murder because sources tell him that LE believes Shaniya was alive when she was taken from the motel.

I just don't see how this facilitator cannot be charged with murder. Mario's delivery service was a major step in the crime. Would LE be looking at him as just an accessory? Come ON. We need to get tougher here!

[jammies]

MSNBC. Kerrie Sanders in Fayetteville. He says after the father IDs the body that Antoinette & Mario will be facing additional charges...but he's unsure if Mario will be charged with murder because sources tell him that LE believes Shaniya was alive when she was taken from the motel.


TY, breakingnews.

[AJandTam]

It was posted and discussed yesterday.

I skipped a portion of yesterdays conversations on purpose. Sorry, I missed anything that was important.

[mrsmcgoo]

MSNBC. Kerrie Sanders in Fayetteville. He says after the father IDs the body that Antoinette & Mario will be facing additional charges...but he's unsure if Mario will be charged with murder because sources tell him that LE believes Shaniya was alive when she was taken from the motel.

Thank you for the update.

So that could mean that the 60 year old man driving the Toyota truck that we heard about yesterday could be a very big piece of this puzzle.

Hopefully we will have clarification on this today!

JMO

[jammies]

And why take her to sanford? he could of got a way cheaper hotel right there from where he took her. very bad part of town and no one would of ever been the wiser. jmo


That's the million dollar question, Jewell. Maybe no one would think anything nefarious at a more expensive hotel? Just would assume a father and his daughter?

[Beasmom]

I agree..he turned himself in rather quickly once those pics were release. I would think if he had killed her he would have went into hiding. I believe his family convinced him to do the right thing and be upfront at the get go since he was not the killer. MOO

He has only been charged with kidnapping..that leads me to believe, he was the delivery man.

IMO, family encouragement or not, McNeil is past doing the right thing. According to last night's reporting, McNeil is being extremely uncooperative with authorities. I think if he does start cooperating, it will be to save his sorry hide.

[Breakingnews]

When Kerrie was doing his piece the banner read Police PC at 4:30 and the reporter said the father was holding his own PC at 4:00.

[kellann62]

I have felt from day 1, Mr McNeill did not kill her.

Well "Mr McNeill" was directly involved with the consequences. Maybe he didn't know the other person would end up killing her but he carried her into the hotel. I personally believe he did not give a crap about that little girl. How could someone take a trusting little child knowing that she was going to be raped by anyone much less a grown man. And in ways that are too horrendous to think about. Makes me want to puke!barf:flamemad:

Kel

[Breakingnews]

I hope so Justice.
An autopsy is scheduled for today IIRC... but my dates are getting mixed up.

Hopefully that baby didn't have to spend another night outside in the dark and cold.

I know she is beyond feeling at this point, but my heart can't bare to think it....

MOO

One of the articles I read this morning said they had finished exhuming her late last night.

[tootie]

MSNBC. Kerrie Sanders in Fayetteville. He says after the father IDs the body that Antoinette & Mario will be facing additional charges...but he's unsure if Mario will be charged with murder because sources tell him that LE believes Shaniya was alive when she was taken from the motel.

If kidnapping is a felony then couldn't he be charged with felony murder? Same with Antoinette? I thought that this was what NG was saying last night. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

[ish]

I agree with your post but things will never change. Morals no longer exist in our society. I am an old fashioned thinker of marriage before having children and the fact that I have to label myself as "old fashioned" speaks volumes to the moral decline of our great country. I see no way out. Sorry to be so pessimistic, but having children, abusing them, killing them appears to be the result of selfish, narcissistic people who believe the world is their apple. And these people are everywhere.

Hey Chica, there a lot more of us "old fashioned" people out here than you may think!! Children should not be a by-product of chance encounters or one night stands. There's very little excuse for "accidents" in this day and age.

[Lavinya]

What's the theory on how they came about prostitution and human trafficking of Shaniya, so quickly. Surely *someone* was talking for LE to have come to that conclusion. LE doesn't hit mothers of all missing/murdered children with those kinds of charges. Who's talking?

[Beasmom]

What's the theory on how they came about prostitution and human trafficking of Shaniya, so quickly. Surely *someone* was talking for LE to have come to that conclusion. LE doesn't hit mothers of all missing/murdered children with those kinds of charges. Who's talking?

Someone in the chain of events who wants to save his sorry azz. Or someone in the chain who is not directly involved who thinks what happened is about as wrong and immoral as it gets.

[Lavinya]

Someone in the chain of events who wants to save his sorry azz. Or someone in the chain who is not directly involved who thinks what happened is about as wrong and immoral as it gets.

No doubt about that. If it was someone who was telling out of the goodness of their hearts, they would have STOPPED this tragedy from happening. :cursing:

[ish]

Thanks. omg poor father!!! cant they do it by dental records?

You think they took her to a dentist? Possibly the father did, but the mother? A woman who would sell her child to be used and abused probably wasn't worried about her teeth.

[mrsmcgoo]

Hey Chica, there a lot more of us "old fashioned" people out here than you may think!! Children should not be a by-product of chance encounters or one night stands. There's very little excuse for "accidents" in this day and age.

I am quite sure that Shaniya's family didn't view her as an accident. :crying:

[jewel6]

I still think they have marios cell phone records!

[Tia]

I skipped a portion of yesterdays conversations on purpose. Sorry, I missed anything that was important.

:smile:

I can't imagine why!! I did the same thing, on purpose, and now I feel waaaaaaaaaaaay behind!!

[v8433]

I am stepping out of Lurkdom land to say how completely disgusted I am with what is happening to our children. Seems like we have a generation that are or coming of age that have no respect for anyone or anything. They are selfish, angry, demanding people. Isnt that directly reflective of the way they were raised? Most parents in the 80's - 90's worked, both parents, which left children on their own..These are the children that are coming of age now. They don't love their children or feel that protective parental feeling that they should have, is that because they didnt have that growing up? Still, to do such horrible, unimaginable, or ALLOW such things is..................I cant find the words.
Sorry to ramble, however, having said all that. We need to change the laws...I am so sick and tired of hearing about a perp receiving a slap on the wrist, or probation, or having to register as a SO......HELLO!!! Its not working. Implement a drive thru, capital punishment carried out in 30 days, no they dont have rights they lost theirs when they took someone elses. This incubater (I refeuse to call her a Mother) the person that took her away (Mcneil) and if he left her in the hotel room, HE KNOWS WHO WAS IN THERE....Execute them all...........
I'm going to rub my chest with Vicks and crawl back under the covers...Thanks for letting me vent....v8

[Lavinya]

I have no idea..I was just reminded that McNeill is not cooperating and IIRC, I read either was AD? So I have no idea who is spilling the beans so to say:confused:

Gotta be at least one other party, because I think "Mom" and McNeill would only be charged with kidnapping and murder (and some minor-ish charges like obstruction) but *something* or someone has opened the door to the trafficking/prostitution aspect, IMO. LE must be pretty sure of the charges before bringing them on a woman who has "lost" her child because you can't erase that from the public's mind.

[Lavinya]

You think they took her to a dentist? Possibly the father did, but the mother? A woman who would sell her child to be used and abused probably wasn't worried about her teeth.

Yeah, if she didn't want to let go of any crack money to fix the dang sewer, FGS, a little girl's teeth wouldn't be a priority for her. Maybe Bradly had her seen by a dentist.

[AJandTam]

It is comforting to know that you changed your mind over night. Yesterday you said 'he turned his child over to satan without paying attention', that he was 'thinking more about himself and his new life' because he was engaged. Did you have an epiphany?

I wasn't being critical of him in what I said. All I was talking about was the blending process when you remarry and have children from previous marriages. IF you have ever done this, or known anyone who has. I'm sure you know that this blending process can be very stressful and you can get caught in the middle between your new spouse and your children. I said that he might have seen her going to stay at mom's as a way of dealing w/these kinds of problems. I said that IF they did have these kind of issues w/the marriage coming up.. he might not have wanted his sister to take the child because he might not have wanted her to know of the situation. Didn't want her bias w/the child verses the new spouse. So the mother coming along when she did might have seemed like a way to deal w/these issues brewing. As for her. I think he knew she had issues, but I think he told himself everything would be ok.. this might help, but as we know SHE meaning >>>>>>>>> i'll skip that. Wasn't ok at all. She is >>> you already know my opinion on that. I was not being critical of him. I have went through this process in my own family. This process got really stressful. Then it all worked out until my ex decided to get remarried years later and we went through it again w/the same child.

[Breakingnews]

No mention of this 60 year old guy they are looking for?

No mention of anyone else but the two they have in jail.

[jammies]

I am stepping out of Lurkdom land to say how completely disgusted I am with what is happening to our children. Seems like we have a generation that are or coming of age that have no respect for anyone or anything. They are selfish, angry, demanding people. Isnt that directly reflective of the way they were raised? Most parents in the 80's - 90's worked, both parents, which left children on their own..These are the children that are coming of age now. They don't love their children or feel that protective parental feeling that they should have, is that because they didnt have that growing up? Still, to do such horrible, unimaginable, or ALLOW such things is..................I cant find the words.
Sorry to ramble, however, having said all that. We need to change the laws...I am so sick and tired of hearing about a perp receiving a slap on the wrist, or probation, or having to register as a SO......HELLO!!! Its not working. Implement a drive thru, capital punishment carried out in 30 days, no they dont have rights they lost theirs when they took someone elses. This incubater (I refeuse to call her a Mother) the person that took her away (Mcneil) and if he left her in the hotel room, HE KNOWS WHO WAS IN THERE....Execute them all...........
I'm going to rub my chest with Vicks and crawl back under the covers...Thanks for letting me vent....v8

No problem, sweetie. This is definately worth venting for. Enough of us are sick of what's happening to our children and the lack of morals and values we see around us. It won't stop until WE speak up and are HEARD!

[tootie]

Here is a lovely picture of Shaniya and her dad.....http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2009/11/17/image5681635.jpg

I gotta go this is so depressing. Another day of crying I see......

[texasgal]

Hello everyone .. *waves*

I JUST caught up from yesterday afternoon .. lots of reading .. and thankfully alot of cleaning up had already taken place. Glad to see the board has been ratcheted down a notch or two from last night .. :thumbup:

Heartbreaking ....

[jammies]

No mention of this 60 year old guy they are looking for?


Not a darn thing, X.

Maybe Jewell has heard something from her neck of the woods.

[v8433]

Yeah, if she didn't want to let go of any crack money to fix the dang sewer.

Shouldnt the mobile home park have been responsible for fixing anything that breaks?

[Chica]

If kidnapping is a felony then couldn't he be charged with felony murder? Same with Antoinette? I thought that this was what NG was saying last night. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

You are correct. He would be charged with felony murder because he was complicit.

[jewel6]

Not a darn thing, X.

Maybe Jewell has heard something from her neck of the woods.

Im waiting for noon news. i watch abc 11.

[watson]

This is what I think could have happened: Shaniya was sexually abused which is when the blanket got covered with her feces. I would guess that there was physical evidence (Shaniya) as well. Because of that AD told Shaniya's aunt that she would not return Shaniya to her (using the flimsy excuse that she didn't like that the aunt disciplined Shaniya). The aunt no doubt got right on the phone and called the dad who dropped everything to return to retrieve his daughter. Maybe at that point AD fabricated the kidnapping story fearing that LE would get involved anyway. Perhaps (not reported) the aunt told her she was going to call the police, maybe the dad called and also made that threat "forcing" AD's hand (so to speak).

None of these folks appear very bright. I agree with others who posted that they probably had no idea this would reach the fevered national pitch it did.

[jammies]

http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/17/952898



More Charges Expected Today

[cog1]

Hello everyone!

I'm trying to catch up but looks like you are still waiting on another perp to be caught. I thought there must be someone else invloved in this!

Off to read.

[Lavinya]

Shouldnt the mobile home park have been responsible for fixing anything that breaks?

Did they rent? Even if they did, if it was thought to be from negligence or improperly flushing things down or other abuse, they (trailer park) may not be liable. IMO, subject to correction.

[GentleBreeze]

IIRC last night on NG it was said the kidnapping itself was a felony.

The death after a kidnapping makes him eligible to be charged with her death weather he did it himself or not.

Wow, wish I could explain better sorry :blushing:

Also AD has been charged with felonies too and when someone conspires and commits felonies and someone dies because of those felonies then they too can be charged with murder.

AD is like the getaway driver sitting outside in the car while the bank robbers go into rob and wind up murdering someone inside. The driver is a part of the crime so therefore is equally guilty when it comes to the murder.

imo

[jammies]

Im waiting for noon news. i watch abc 11.


Keep us informed! You are our eyes and ears! :thumbup:

[watson]

This is what I think could have happened: Shaniya was sexually abused which is when the blanket got covered with her feces. I would guess that there was physical evidence (Shaniya) as well. Because of that AD told Shaniya's aunt that she would not return Shaniya to her (using the flimsy excuse that she didn't like that the aunt disciplined Shaniya). The aunt no doubt got right on the phone and called the dad who dropped everything to return to retrieve his daughter. Maybe at that point AD fabricated the kidnapping story fearing that LE would get involved anyway. Perhaps (not reported) the aunt told her she was going to call the police, maybe the dad called and also made that threat "forcing" AD's hand (so to speak).

None of these folks appear very bright. I agree with others who posted that they probably had no idea this would reach the fevered national pitch it did.

Sorry to quote myself but I don't mean the dad or the dad's family was not very bright - I mean (of course) the criminals.

I have nothing but good feelings and respect for Shaniya's loved ones.

[AJandTam]

No problem, sweetie. This is definately worth venting for. Enough of us are sick of what's happening to our children and the lack of morals and values we see around us. It won't stop until WE speak up and are HEARD!

:thumbsup: i'm in agreement w/you both. It is true. Motherhood is about sacrafice and raising our children and putting our children before ourselves. I had to learn that along the way. W/each passing day, I try to learn about the world around me and how changing my own way of doing things can make life better for my own children. Those choices might be as simple as giving up a new car so that you can have more time to spend w/your children instead of working to pay for that car. Or it might be working to avoid a divorce because you need to keep your children in a home, and letting your pride go in exchange for their happiness and them growng up in a home w/two parents verses one. I went through a broken home w/my oldest children and I learned alot in that experience and how it affected the lives of my children. I don't ever want to put the children through that again unless I have too. It oftentimes means watching WHO you allow in their lives and having to make hard choices about those people.

[KatieLady]

http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/17/952898



More Charges Expected Today

From you link

Shaniya Davis was alive when she left a Sanford motel, Fayetteville police said this morning in a news release.

They still don't say who she left with

[ish]

I am quite sure that Shaniya's family didn't view her as an accident. :crying:


Shaniya was described in the article as being conceived as the result of a "chance encounter".

I mean no dis-respect to Shaniya and I'm sure the Lockhart family cared very much for her. It doesn't change the circumstances of her conception. Obviously neither parent was in a position to care for a child properly.

We can only hope justice is served in this case.

[GentleBreeze]

http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/17/952898



More Charges Expected Today


I think they are going to lob additional charges on these two defendants only.

I believe LE thinks McNeil is the one that murdered Shaniya.

imo

[Beasmom]

http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/17/952898



More Charges Expected Today

OMG, she was still alive when she was taken from the motel. Imagine the never-ending fear and pain of this child. Who dumped Shaniya's body? Was it McNeill?

[AJandTam]

From you link

Shaniya Davis was alive when she left a Sanford motel, Fayetteville police said this morning in a news release.

They still don't say who she left with

At 6:11 a.m. that day, a surveillance camera at a Sanford hotel recorded Shaniya in the arms of a man identified as Mario Andrette McNeill, 29, of Fayetteville. On Monday, police said McNeill left the hotel with Shaniya at 7:30 a.m

Clip from the link, I just read Katie..http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/17/952898

[Beasmom]

:thumbsup: i'm in agreement w/you both. It is true. Motherhood is about sacrafice and raising our children and putting our children before ourselves. I had to learn that along the way. W/each passing day, I try to learn about the world around me and how changing my own way of doing things can make life better for my own children. Those choices might be as simple as giving up a new car so that you can have more time to spend w/your children instead of working to pay for that car. Or it might be working to avoid a divorce because you need to keep your children in a home, and letting your pride go in exchange for their happiness and them growng up in a home w/two parents verses one. I went through a broken home w/my oldest children and I learned alot in that experience and how it affected the lives of my children. I don't ever want to put the children through that again unless I have too. It oftentimes means watching WHO you allow in their lives and having to make hard choices about those people.

IMO, AD didn't have a life; she didn't want a life. She had drugs.

[AJandTam]

I think they are going to lob additional charges on these two defendants only.

I believe LE thinks McNeil is the one that murdered Shaniya.

imo

Right, I think so too because he entered the hotel w/her. Stayed a little over an hour, then left w/her. Apparently she was alive when they left.

[Beasmom]

At 6:11 a.m. that day, a surveillance camera at a Sanford hotel recorded Shaniya in the arms of a man identified as Mario Andrette McNeill, 29, of Fayetteville. On Monday, police said McNeill left the hotel with Shaniya at 7:30 a.m

Clip from the link, I just read Katie..http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/17/952898

I hate to ask this, but does this mean that McNeill watched what happened to Shaniya or did it himself? Both thoughts are too grisley to imagine.

[KatieLady]

At 6:11 a.m. that day, a surveillance camera at a Sanford hotel recorded Shaniya in the arms of a man identified as Mario Andrette McNeill, 29, of Fayetteville. On Monday, police said McNeill left the hotel with Shaniya at 7:30 a.m

Clip from the link, I just read Katie..http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/17/952898

Thanks Tam....I missed that!

[ish]

This is what I think could have happened: Shaniya was sexually abused which is when the blanket got covered with her feces. I would guess that there was physical evidence (Shaniya) as well. Because of that AD told Shaniya's aunt that she would not return Shaniya to her (using the flimsy excuse that she didn't like that the aunt disciplined Shaniya). The aunt no doubt got right on the phone and called the dad who dropped everything to return to retrieve his daughter. Maybe at that point AD fabricated the kidnapping story fearing that LE would get involved anyway. Perhaps (not reported) the aunt told her she was going to call the police, maybe the dad called and also made that threat "forcing" AD's hand (so to speak).

None of these folks appear very bright. I agree with others who posted that they probably had no idea this would reach the fevered national pitch it did.

my bold

There is a lot of talk about the blanket with the feces, but If I recall correctly, the first night or two of this case it was reported that the sewage system in the trailer had backed up. I think it might be possible that the blanket was used to clean up the overflowing toilet,or could Shaniya have caused the toilet to overflow angering her mother/McNeill? I don't know if the feces is directly tied to her being molested at the trailer. Could be, but the sewer/plumbing problem is also a possiblity.

[bhardy1956]

I watched the video, it had who found her but her being found has me so upset still I can't even remember who it was....

Did I hear that guy correctly? Did he say, "Did you find IT?" and why was that guy smiling all the time, by where she was found? I guess this is sobering and why would someone be smiling on finding a little 5 year old's body? Why would that guy say IT? I may have to make sure I heard it right and check out the video again.

[jewel6]

more charges. they will post on their website when they get them. AD is pregnant and on suicide watch. Mario is not in general pop. Shaniya alive when they left the hotel. waiting for med examiner to release cause of death any time now. dad will have a news conf at 4.00 et he would like t set foundation in shanyias name.

[jammies]

:thumbsup: i'm in agreement w/you both. It is true. Motherhood is about sacrafice and raising our children and putting our children before ourselves. I had to learn that along the way. W/each passing day, I try to learn about the world around me and how changing my own way of doing things can make life better for my own children. Those choices might be as simple as giving up a new car so that you can have more time to spend w/your children instead of working to pay for that car. Or it might be working to avoid a divorce because you need to keep your children in a home, and letting your pride go in exchange for their happiness and them growng up in a home w/two parents verses one. I went through a broken home w/my oldest children and I learned alot in that experience and how it affected the lives of my children. I don't ever want to put the children through that again unless I have too. It oftentimes means watching WHO you allow in their lives and having to make hard choices about those people.


Yep. We've come a long way, baby. At the expense of our children and families. Now we are seeing the results. :sad:

[GentleBreeze]

Right, I think so too because he entered the hotel w/her. Stayed a little over an hour, then left w/her. Apparently she was alive when they left.

I sure would like to know what condition she was in after being in that room for 1+?

I am hoping the ME can give a pretty good TOD.

So what time and what day did he give himself up? I think by then he already had thrown her out in the kudzu and felt they wouldn't find her.

imo

[jammies]

more charges. they will post on their website when they get them. AD is pregnant and on suicide watch. Mario is not in general pop. Shaniya alive when they left the hotel. waiting for med examiner to release cause of death any time now. dad will have a news conf at 4.00 et he would like t set foundation in shanyias name.


She was alive when they left motel. wow. :ohmy:

[Ladygator]

This Mario guy, who is in custody, and was seen in the hotel video with Shaniya, what is his connection to the Mom?

[Brattnt]

more charges. they will post on their website when they get them. AD is pregnant and on suicide watch. Mario is not in general pop. Shaniya alive when they left the hotel. waiting for med examiner to release cause of death any time now. dad will have a news conf at 4.00 et he would like t set foundation in shanyias name.

Thank you for the update jewel!...I hope they are both charged with murder, and it will be a DP case...

MOO

[AJandTam]

IMO, AD didn't have a life; she didn't want a life. She had drugs.

Maybe they dont' have any drugs in the jail and prisons anymore.

[jewel6]

This Mario guy, who is in custody, and was seen in the hotel video with Shaniya, what is his connection to the Mom?

Moms sisters ex boyfriend. drugdealer as grandma knew him. jmo

[KatieLady]

This Mario guy, who is in custody, and was seen in the hotel video with Shaniya, what is his connection to the Mom?

It has been reported that he is her sisters ex boyfriend

[AJandTam]

I hate to ask this, but does this mean that McNeill watched what happened to Shaniya or did it himself? Both thoughts are too grisley to imagine.

I think he did this himself. As i've seen nothing anywhere talking about him being w/anyone else. Maybe he was and we have not heard but there has been a rumor that he confessed. I really don't want to know what he might have done in that hotel room. That might really be bad.

[GentleBreeze]

my bold

There is a lot of talk about the blanket with the feces, but If I recall correctly, the first night or two of this case it was reported that the sewage system in the trailer had backed up. I think it might be possible that the blanket was used to clean up the overflowing toilet,or could Shaniya have caused the toilet to overflow angering her mother/McNeill? I don't know if the feces is directly tied to her being molested at the trailer. Could be, but the sewer/plumbing problem is also a possiblity.

Yes, I dont think it really has anything to do with the case. They probably used her blanket to get the waste up. GAG!

imo

[Amy]

I still say Mario was not alone, and I'm thinking he is not the killer either. I think he was a "hand-off" man (hence child trafficing term)...handed her off and when the heat got to hot to hand her off to the next in line....they had to dispose of her.:sad:

RIP Shaiya :rose:
Too bad the person just didn't drop her off on a road leading to town or something. It would be highly unlikely a 5 y/o girl would be able to identify a stranger (if she was handed off to someone not of the area, especially) so why not just let her go and never return to the area? Unless the hand off person was also known to Shaniya. (The one she was handed off too, I mean.)

[jammies]

Maybe they dont' have any drugs in the jail and prisons anymore.

She's on suicide watch. Oh, I hope she's coming DOWN off her high and it's bad bad bad.

[ish]

Someone in the chain of events who wants to save his sorry azz. Or someone in the chain who is not directly involved who thinks what happened is about as wrong and immoral as it gets.

I think Mr. Coe knows a lot about what went on and what went down.

[Beasmom]

Thank you for the update jewel!...I hope they are both charged with murder, and it will be a DP case...

MOO

Anything less than a DP case would be an outrage.

[KatieLady]

I think he did this himself. As i've seen nothing anywhere talking about him being w/anyone else. Maybe he was and we have not heard but there has been a rumor that he confessed. I really don't want to know what he might have done in that hotel room. That might really be bad.

You could be right Tam. You only need to pass a child off to one person to be charged with trafficking. It could be just him....

But yesterday there was that BOLO about the 60 yr old in the Toyota???

[AJandTam]

Yep. We've come a long way, baby. At the expense of our children and families. Now we are seeing the results. :sad:

Yes, we have. We created one heck of a mess, no one will admit what we did or want to fix it now. This is the sad part.

[Beasmom]

Too bad the person just didn't drop her off on a road leading to town or something. It would be highly unlikely a 5 y/o girl would be able to identify a stranger (if she was handed off to someone not of the area, especially) so why not just let her go and never return to the area? Unless the hand off person was also known to Shaniya. (The one she was handed off too, I mean.)

I was wishing Shaniya had been left off at the hospital ER but I guess they have cameras, too.

[GentleBreeze]

She's on suicide watch. Oh, I hope she's coming DOWN off her high and it's bad bad bad.

Well that is a change. Yesterday she was cool as a cucumber.

imo

[jewel6]

Too bad the person just didn't drop her off on a road leading to town or something. It would be highly unlikely a 5 y/o girl would be able to identify a stranger (if she was handed off to someone not of the area, especially) so why not just let her go and never return to the area? Unless the hand off person was also known to Shaniya. (The one she was handed off too, I mean.)

but i bet she could of identified mcneil and even say some things about monster dearest. she was 5 and seemed very inteligent. jmo

[Amy]

No need, she will be in prison for the rest of her life (at the least)...she won't be getting pregnant anymore.

Unless NC allows conjugal visits. Even if she doesn't currently have a bf, I'm sure she will be coming up w/a new one. And heaven only knows if there are men "penpals" that swoop down on notorious women murderers (like women do for Scott Peterson, Richard Rameriz and the Menendez Bros amongst others.) She could even up and marry some dude. Hope conjugal visits aren't allowed there.

[texasgal]

Did I hear that guy correctly? Did he say, "Did you find IT?" and why was that guy smiling all the time, by where she was found? I guess this is sobering and why would someone be smiling on finding a little 5 year old's body? Why would that guy say IT? I may have to make sure I heard it right and check out the video again.

Again .. people that deal with these kinds of situations frequently have a demeaner that we would consider inappropriate.. they HAVE to .. in order to handle what they see over and over again.

IT is "the body" .. I'm sure. When they are searching for "a body", "it" is not a little girl. A protection mechanism.

The smile could be for success .. they WERE there to find a body. They did their job ..

I know it's hard to not take it personal .. but don't. :smile:

[KatieLady]

I was wishing Shaniya had been left off at the hospital ER but I guess they have cameras, too.

Never used to think this way but now I think there should be cameras EVERYWHERE! If you aren't doing anything wrong whats the problem :cursing:

[likewise]

Something does not add up about the mother. Correct me if I am wrong but was it not the mother who reported her missing?

If she was truly involved in human trafficking, would she not want to give her cohorts a little more of a head start than an hour.

Look at how LE got it wrong with Coe, could they be wrong again with the mother?

The bails are extremely low, one @ 50 and Mario at 100 meaning he could walk with as little as yen thousand dollars which is chump change for anyone involved in either drug or human trafficking.

I am not ready to throw the mother under the bus completely at this moment although she very well may deserve to be there. Also I do not see her getting more than 8 to 8 years UNLESS they really uncover something really connecting her and demonstrating her mindset.

I do imagine the bonds will be substantially increased.

[v8433]

Maybe they dont' have any drugs in the jail and prisons anymore.

LOL, your teasing right? I have no first hand knowledge but from what I hear you can get it all..sex, drugs, etc

[Lavinya]

She was alive when they left motel. wow. :ohmy:

I would like to see if he received any phone calls while he was at the hotel, warning him that LE was looking for Shaniya.

[AJandTam]

I sure would like to know what condition she was in after being in that room for 1+?

I am hoping the ME can give a pretty good TOD.

So what time and what day did he give himself up? I think by then he already had thrown her out in the kudzu and felt they wouldn't find her.

imo

Hey you, here we are again.
Yes when they give the autopsy report, we are going to be able to fill in some blanks maybe. I'm on pins and needles waiting. I fear what we are going to find out.

[GentleBreeze]

You could be right Tam. You only need to pass a child off to one person to be charged with trafficking. It could be just him....

But yesterday there was that BOLO about the 60 yr old in the Toyota???

It seems to me if they have surveillance video in the hallways they sure would have it outside in the parking areas.

imo

[Ladygator]

Moms sisters ex boyfriend. drugdealer as grandma knew him. jmo

TY

I'm very curious as to how this happened. Sadly, I have heard of cases locally where a Mom was on the net, thinking she was talking to a pedo, and arranging to give her Daughter away for sex. Thankfully, it was actually LE that was other the other end.

Someone has said something for LE to file the types of charges they have on the Mom. I'm wondering if it was Mom herself, or Mario, or if there is someone else out there, who Mom offered Shaniya to. And they called LE, telling what they knew.

[Darcy]

This is what I think could have happened: Shaniya was sexually abused which is when the blanket got covered with her feces. I would guess that there was physical evidence (Shaniya) as well. Because of that AD told Shaniya's aunt that she would not return Shaniya to her (using the flimsy excuse that she didn't like that the aunt disciplined Shaniya). The aunt no doubt got right on the phone and called the dad who dropped everything to return to retrieve his daughter. Maybe at that point AD fabricated the kidnapping story fearing that LE would get involved anyway. Perhaps (not reported) the aunt told her she was going to call the police, maybe the dad called and also made that threat "forcing" AD's hand (so to speak).

None of these folks appear very bright. I agree with others who posted that they probably had no idea this would reach the fevered national pitch it did.



watson,
Your comment about AD fabricating the kidnapping story and fearing that LE would get involved, made me think that perhaps AD's plan after reporting Shaniya missing was to implicate Dad or his sister. She could say that she was 'threatened' by them to return Shaniya. She may have implied that it was they who 'kidnapped' her. Just some thoughts amongst the many, until we receive more substantial information.

[jammies]

I would like to see if he received any phone calls while he was at the hotel, warning him that LE was looking for Shaniya.

That's what I've believed, Lav. Someone tipped him off and he took off with Shaniya.

[KatieLady]

Something does not add up about the mother. Correct me if I am wrong but was it not the mother who reported her missing?

If she was truly involved in human trafficking, would she not want to give her cohorts a little more of a head start than an hour.

Look at how LE got it wrong with Coe, could they be wrong again with the mother?

The bails are extremely low, one @ 50 and Mario at 100 meaning he could walk with as little as yen thousand dollars which is chump change for anyone involved in either drug or human trafficking.

I am not ready to throw the mother under the bus completely at this moment although she very well may deserve to be there. Also I do not see her getting more than 8 to 8 years UNLESS they really uncover something really connecting her and demonstrating her mindset.

I do imagine the bonds will be substantially increased.

LE got it wrong with Coe only because the mother told LE Coe took Shaniya! Not LE's fault IMO

[AJandTam]

She's on suicide watch. Oh, I hope she's coming DOWN off her high and it's bad bad bad.

Yeah bad.. Suicide watch. Now she wants to do herself in.. Too late

[ish]

She was alive when they left motel. wow. :ohmy:

But in what kind of shape? I think whatever information they have on her leaving that hotel is being kept close to the vest. Video/security camera or eyewitnesses which one we don't know. It will tell us a lot when we see or hear the detail of that evidence.

[Amy]

I still believe that is why they killed her...she became to hot to hand off to the next..I beleive there are more peeps involved in this. MOO


I still can't figure out why the so called incubator called 911 though?:confused:

Because Bradley was to return to town that am. And Shaniya wasn't going to be there for him to pick up. Then, there would have been questions about how long since the POS has seen her, where she is, etc. Better to have her "missing" before daddy got there. IMO

[KatieLady]

TY

I'm very curious as to how this happened. Sadly, I have heard of cases locally where a Mom was on the net, thinking she was talking to a pedo, and arranging to give her Daughter away for sex. Thankfully, it was actually LE that was other the other end.

Someone has said something for LE to file the types of charges they have on the Mom. I'm wondering if it was Mom herself, or Mario, or if there is someone else out there, who Mom offered Shaniya to. And they called LE, telling what they knew.

I can hear Mario now.....Hey....I didn't kidnap her, her mom sold her to me :rolleyes:

[AJandTam]

You could be right Tam. You only need to pass a child off to one person to be charged with trafficking. It could be just him....

But yesterday there was that BOLO about the 60 yr old in the Toyota???

yes, and not one of us have any idea what that BOLO was about. After Shaniya was found. Not one report ever mentioned it again, that I know of.

I think maybe there were intentions to pass her off again, but maybe something went wrong.

Are you better today?

[Amy]

How was she gonna explain to the school why she wasnt there? She would also have to tell dad sooner or later. jmo

On last night's thread, the principal of the school was quoted that Shaniya had been removed from school late October. So, there was no school to report her missing.

[KatieLady]

yes, and not one of us have any idea what that BOLO was about. After Shaniya was found. Not one report ever mentioned it again, that I know of.

I think maybe there were intentions to pass her off again, but maybe something went wrong.

Are you better today?

You are right....it was not reported again after she was found. So strange....

A bit better....still coughing like crazy tho. Thanks for asking :smile:

[Beasmom]

Unless NC allows conjugal visits. Even if she doesn't currently have a bf, I'm sure she will be coming up w/a new one. And heaven only knows if there are men "penpals" that swoop down on notorious women murderers (like women do for Scott Peterson, Richard Rameriz and the Menendez Bros amongst others.) She could even up and marry some dude. Hope conjugal visits aren't allowed there.

You are probably right. And it's sad. By all means, let's continue to support and sustain these less-than-zero's. Let's continue to send the message that no matter what you do and how harmful to an individual or to society, we'll take care of you. You'll be fed, housed, clothed and entertained. You'll have medical and dental care and the possibility of conjugal visits and the opportunity to still buy drugs. Don't worry, nothing has changed. We're just picking up the tab, that's all.

Like others, I'm getting more and more disgusted. I will be very interested in how this case plays out. imo

[monicac220]

More questions...

Does anyone know if the motel room is being treated as a crime scene? It does not appear that that is where she was killed, but is LE looking for evidence of other crimes?

I believe I read that McNeil 'checked in' himself, which implies the room was in his name. Did anyone else enter the hotel after that?

The part that I can't figure out is the timing between when 911 was called and when they left the hotel, both events happened so close together, within 30 minutes.

IMO/MOO

[Tia]

On last night's thread, the principal of the school was quoted that Shaniya had been removed from school late October. So, there was no school to report her missing.

Removed from which school? Where she went when she lived with her dad or her "mom"?

[jewel6]

On last night's thread, the principal of the school was quoted that Shaniya had been removed from school late October. So, there was no school to report her missing.

Missed that one. what was AD gonna do not send her o school? They would come looking for her for sure. jmo

[AJandTam]

LOL, your teasing right? I have no first hand knowledge but from what I hear you can get it all..sex, drugs, etc

This does not surprise me, but I know absolutely nothing about what goes on in the prisons and jails. And I like it this way. Although, I did hear about the snack shop in w/Casey Anthony.. IMHO, If people keep going to your jails and your prisons, it's because you aren't doing something right.. It should be a place no one wants to go, but i'm not convinced it is..

[KatieLady]

So if Dad was to come to town that mornijng to see Shaniya, why would AD set this whole thing up for that day???? Or was the visit by dad a surprise and AD only found out about it after Shaniya was already gone????

the answer could be as simple as she needed a fix that day :cursing:

[impartial]

The Aunt says she wanted to pick Shaniya up, and AD refused to let her, saying she would never see Shaniya again.

The Dad says he spoke with AD, and AD asked if Shaniya could stay longer, and the dad said okay.

Conflicting stories.

Mario has to be talking, otherwise, where did LE come up with trafficing. The kidnapping charge probably won't hold up if there were no formal custody orders granting custody to the father, and AD consented to Mario taking Shaniya. The trafficing is a felony, but is it the type of felony that the felony murder rule will attach?

As far as the death penalty for AD, without shepardizing the case ... In the 1982 case of Enmund v. Florida, 458 U.S. 782, 102 S. Ct. 3368, 73 L. Ed. 2d 1140, the Supreme Court ruled that the imposition of the death penalty upon an accomplice who neither kills, attempts to kill, or intends that a killing occur or lethal force be used in the commission of a felony-murder constitutes cruel and unusual punishment. http://www.answers.com/topic/felony-murder-rule

imo

[GentleBreeze]

TY

I'm very curious as to how this happened. Sadly, I have heard of cases locally where a Mom was on the net, thinking she was talking to a pedo, and arranging to give her Daughter away for sex. Thankfully, it was actually LE that was other the other end.

Someone has said something for LE to file the types of charges they have on the Mom. I'm wondering if it was Mom herself, or Mario, or if there is someone else out there, who Mom offered Shaniya to. And they called LE, telling what they knew.

I read a horrible case not too long ago where a mother:rolleyes: sold her 5 year old daughter to pedophiles and even held her screaming little girl down while she was repeatedly raped by numerous pedophiles.

Some women in this country have just sunk to subhuman levels imo.

I agree they sure have something to get probable cause to charge her with these crimes.

imo

[ish]

Again .. people that deal with these kinds of situations frequently have a demeaner that we would consider inappropriate.. they HAVE to .. in order to handle what they see over and over again.

IT is "the body" .. I'm sure. When they are searching for "a body", "it" is not a little girl. A protection mechanism.

The smile could be for success .. they WERE there to find a body. They did their job ..

I know it's hard to not take it personal .. but don't. :smile:

"it" may have also refered to a container or box of some sort that her body was in. I don't think they intend to be disrespectful.

[KatieLady]

Missed that one. what was AD gonna do not send her o school? They would come looking for her for sure. jmo

Shaniya was going to be "gone". So school was not an issue IMO

[Lavinya]

That's what I've believed, Lav. Someone tipped him off and he took off with Shaniya.

Agreed, Jammies! :seeya:

[Chica]

Hey Chica, there a lot more of us "old fashioned" people out here than you may think!! Children should not be a by-product of chance encounters or one night stands. There's very little excuse for "accidents" in this day and age.

I am not even talking about accidents, but rather the acceptance of children having children. In this case of "a one night stand" it appears Mr. Lockhart was a loving, caring father. In today's society it has become acceptable for a girl to become pregnant, maybe live with the father for awhile, get pregnant by another and just keep moving on from one to another. Marriage isn't even considered. That concept of having children without the benefit of marriage is where I am "old fashioned".

[mrsmcgoo]

That's what I've believed, Lav. Someone tipped him off and he took off with Shaniya.


It's driving me crazy, the unknown in this case.

Here is something that I have been trying to figure out. We know that McNeill checked into the hotel a couple of minutes after 6 in the morning......and that he left a little bit after 7. So my question is, how long did he take the room out for? Correct me if I am wrong, but the clerk called on Thursday, and LE arrived to check it out and found evidence on a towel of Shaniya being there. So the room wasn't cleaned since Tuesday? I dont' get this? Did he pay for 1 or 2 or 3 nights? Why wasn't the room cleaned by Thursday??? I mean thankfully it wasn't, but that part doesn't add up for me.

JMO

[bhardy1956]

It's the truth. He did turn his daughter over without checking things out. He had custody of her. Stupidity is not acceptable when children are involved.

Let's not go back to the father PLEASE!

They had no formal custody, it was just an agreement between them. The school had the aunt as guardian, I am sure because in case of an emergency.
I thought you were open to learn more about the dad and the situation, but it sounds like you are still determined to blame the father for this tragedy. IMO

[GentleBreeze]

But in what kind of shape? I think whatever information they have on her leaving that hotel is being kept close to the vest. Video/security camera or eyewitnesses which one we don't know. It will tell us a lot when we see or hear the detail of that evidence.

I agree. They have more tape that they are sharing with us.

imo

[Beasmom]

LOL, your teasing right? I have no first hand knowledge but from what I hear you can get it all..sex, drugs, etc

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Susan Atkins (Manson family) was married and had a ministry from jail. Leslie Van Houten miscarried in prison. Sounds like you can get what you need...

[AJandTam]

You are right....it was not reported again after she was found. So strange....

A bit better....still coughing like crazy tho. Thanks for asking :smile:

Yes it was strange.

Hugs... maybe you are on the downhill side of this now.

[KatieLady]

It's driving me crazy, the unknown in this case.

Here is something that I have been trying to figure out. We know that McNeill checked into the hotel a couple of minutes after 6 in the morning......and that he left a little bit after 7. So my question is, how long did he take the room out for? Correct me if I am wrong, but the clerk called on Thursday, and LE arrived to check it out and found evidence on a towel of Shaniya being there. So the room wasn't cleaned since Tuesday? I dont' get this? Did he pay for 1 or 2 or 3 nights? Why wasn't the room cleaned by Thursday??? I mean thankfully it wasn't, but that part doesn't add up for me.

JMO



I am not sure we know exactly which day LE got the call about the hotel....do we?

[Lavinya]

It's driving me crazy, the unknown in this case.

Here is something that I have been trying to figure out. We know that McNeill checked into the hotel a couple of minutes after 6 in the morning......and that he left a little bit after 7. So my question is, how long did he take the room out for? Correct me if I am wrong, but the clerk called on Thursday, and LE arrived to check it out and found evidence on a towel of Shaniya being there. So the room wasn't cleaned since Tuesday? I dont' get this? Did he pay for 1 or 2 or 3 nights? Why wasn't the room cleaned by Thursday??? I mean thankfully it wasn't, but that part doesn't add up for me.

JMO


And there is NO good reason for Shaniya's scent to be on that towel. :crying:

[Justice4all]

Here is a lovely picture of Shaniya and her dad.....http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2009/11/17/image5681635.jpg

I gotta go this is so depressing. Another day of crying I see......

omg :crying: this case breaks my heart

[GentleBreeze]

They had no formal custody, it was just an agreement between them. The school had the aunt as guardian, I am sure because in case of an emergency.
I thought you were open to learn more about the dad and the situation, but it sounds like you are still determined to blame the father for this tragedy. IMO

Brad and his sister were the bright stars in Shaniya's life. With them she knew she was loved dearly.

No one in the world could have predicted this. AD had no criminal past whatsoever. Look at us when it came out that AD was being charged with HUMAN TRAFFICKING!:ohmy::ohmy:

imo

[forensicpsy~]

The Aunt says she wanted to pick Shaniya up, and AD refused to let her, saying she would never see Shaniya again.

The Dad says he spoke with AD, and AD asked if Shaniya could stay longer, and the dad said okay.

Conflicting stories.

Mario has to be talking, otherwise, where did LE come up with trafficing. The kidnapping charge probably won't hold up if there were no formal custody orders granting custody to the father, and AD consented to Mario taking Shaniya. The trafficing is a felony, but is it the type of felony that the felony murder rule will attach?

As far as the death penalty for AD, without shepardizing the case ... In the 1982 case of Enmund v. Florida, 458 U.S. 782, 102 S. Ct. 3368, 73 L. Ed. 2d 1140, the Supreme Court ruled that the imposition of the death penalty upon an accomplice who neither kills, attempts to kill, or intends that a killing occur or lethal force be used in the commission of a felony-murder constitutes cruel and unusual punishment. http://www.answers.com/topic/felony-murder-rule

imo

:confused:

[texasgal]

Missed that one. what was AD gonna do not send her o school? They would come looking for her for sure. jmo

This was also covered last nite .. kindergarten in NOT mandatory in NC .. they wouldn't come looking for her until Shaniya was 7 .. I believe.

[jewel6]

Shaniya was going to be "gone". So school was not an issue IMO

That means this was well planned out before she even recieved shaniya. who disenrolled her from the school? jmo

[Amy]

In the above link, it states that her dad "has not returned from the out of town job in Oregon yet" so how could he have been heading to visit Shaiya?

Still don't know why she called 911????:confused:

"That resolution never came. Bradley Lockhart had not returned from a job in Oregon when Shaniya disappeared."

He had not returned from the job in Oregon "yet" when AD reported Shaniya missing. He was scheduled to return that day, IIRC (but have no link on that one.) He has, of course, returned by now. And she would have to have called 911 to report Shaniya missing BEFORE her daddy returned to town--because she had to have some reason for Shaniya to not be @ her house when Bradley went there to get her.

As others have mentioned, I don't think that AD tho't this would go beyond the city limits of Fayetteville. A little missing person report, some searches, and when Shaniya is not found, it would go like actually a good number of missing children cases go--into a cold case file. There are ever so many cases of missing children that get little attention as evidenced by the missing children board--we read about them there, but basically, not much media coverage other than local to that child. I don't think that this person nor Casey Anthony or other parents that murder their children expect their case to get national coverage. IMO

[monicac220]

The Aunt says she wanted to pick Shaniya up, and AD refused to let her, saying she would never see Shaniya again.

The Dad says he spoke with AD, and AD asked if Shaniya could stay longer, and the dad said okay.

Conflicting stories.

imo



I'm wondering if it could have gone down something like this:

AD and aunt have a phone fight the day aunt is supposed to pick up Shaniya, AD threatens she'll never see Shaniya again.

Aunt calls Dad, tells him about phone call.

Dad calls AD to find out what is going on. AD gives him some story, "I was just mad and want to spend more time with Shaniya, let her stay longer, blah blah blah".

Dad calls aunt back, tells her to let AD keep Shaniya longer, and that he would deal with it when he returned. :(

[Beasmom]

The Aunt says she wanted to pick Shaniya up, and AD refused to let her, saying she would never see Shaniya again.

The Dad says he spoke with AD, and AD asked if Shaniya could stay longer, and the dad said okay.

Conflicting stories.

Mario has to be talking, otherwise, where did LE come up with trafficing. The kidnapping charge probably won't hold up if there were no formal custody orders granting custody to the father, and AD consented to Mario taking Shaniya. The trafficing is a felony, but is it the type of felony that the felony murder rule will attach?

As far as the death penalty for AD, without shepardizing the case ... In the 1982 case of Enmund v. Florida, 458 U.S. 782, 102 S. Ct. 3368, 73 L. Ed. 2d 1140, the Supreme Court ruled that the imposition of the death penalty upon an accomplice who neither kills, attempts to kill, or intends that a killing occur or lethal force be used in the commission of a felony-murder constitutes cruel and unusual punishment. http://www.answers.com/topic/felony-murder-rule

imo

Perhaps the laws need to be tailored to consider defneseless victims. Perhaps the law should view these cases as a series of links in a chain, each required and carried out to keep the chain intact. jmo

[jewel6]

This was also covered last nite .. kindergarten in NOT mandatory in NC .. they wouldn't come looking for her until Shaniya was 7 .. I believe.

What??? I didnt know that. I have a seven year old now in nc schools. I got off of the boards early last night! sorry.