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Emerald

11-12-2009, 04:57 AM

Jester

11-12-2009, 07:38 AM

I agree, Jester. Hadn't even thought of that.

Especially since Edda Mellas has Family in Germany. 500-600 miles from Amanda is a lot closer than 8,000 miles.

Brings the question if the whole Family should be uprooted and displaced from Seattle because of the gross indiscretions of ONE child. Assuming Amanda is found guilty, the only way the donations will continue to stream in is if her Family can maintain the diversion from the facts.

JMO

It appears that Amanda's mon was either born in Germany, or was registered in Germany when she was born.

No need to uproot the entire family, but someone should be sent to Italy as a representative of the family. It is not enough to hire an invisible PR dud. Dad could request a transfer to London, as it would be closer ... or mom could teach internationally.

As for donations, pride relies on figuring it out for themselves.

Jester

11-12-2009, 07:43 AM

Jester

11-12-2009, 07:44 AM

Wouldn't that be something if it was determined that the evidence was insufficient, and Amanda was released.

Emerald

11-12-2009, 08:20 AM

I don't understand what is to be accomplished by the personal appearances in the US media of the AK Family, their US attorneys and other FOA. What do they want us to do about what is happening in the Italian Justice system?

There is never discussion of the evidence. People are basically being told "because I said so". Their PR team isn't doing avery good job.

JMO

pixiejoolz

11-12-2009, 09:01 AM

Deanna is not an ideal candidate, but she is probably the most mobile. She needs a dresser before she can appear in court again, and she better pull it together for the sake of her sister ... no more of this passive aggressive crap of bringing a 14 year old to a rape/knifing/murder trial. Particularly, shorts should not be worn, regardless of attitude.

If those were my daughters (or my p.r. clients) they would never have been photographed in shorts and troweled-on makeup, grinning in front of the house where their sister is accused of murdering someone. Talk about feeding the arrogant ugly American sterotype! Although it has nothing to do with AK's trial in any legal sense, why add to already negative perception? And why be so disrespectful of the entire situation? jmo

Emerald

11-12-2009, 01:36 PM

Frank, owner of the Perugia Shock blog, was with them at the time those photos were taken outside the cottage. According to him, he pleaded with the photographer not to take the pictures there and advised the Knox's against it as it would be very unwise, but they wouldn't listen to him.

Wow! :scared:

So, they were fully aware of what they were doing, huh? Another little chunk of sympathy just fell away.

JMO

pixiejoolz

11-12-2009, 02:02 PM

Wow! :scared:

So, they were fully aware of what they were doing, huh? Another little chunk of sympathy just fell away.

JMO

They have a long way to go to measure up (down?) to the Anthonys, but they certainly seem to have the same arrogant mindset. jmo

Debb

11-12-2009, 02:03 PM

Frank, owner of the Perugia Shock blog, was with them at the time those photos were taken outside the cottage. According to him, he pleaded with the photographer not to take the pictures there and advised the Knox's against it as it would be very unwise, but they wouldn't listen to him.

I looked at the photographs. Are the skimpy tops and shorts in those photographs the same ones they wore to court? Very sad indeed. Some people are just clueless. Their actions have certainly hurt their sister in the realm of public opinion.

Emerald

11-12-2009, 04:15 PM

Amanda's lawyer surely told the Family how to present themselves? He has a whole lot more to be concerned with than having to style the Family. They were most likely warned about the younger sister breaking the rules by being in the courtroom, too.

Even in the US, there is a dress code and protocol for court.

Perception is everything.

JMO

Emerald

11-13-2009, 10:30 AM

Thank you for the 'Rudy' article, Michael. Lots of stuff to think about.

Jester

11-13-2009, 11:29 PM

Discovery Civilivation Channel: Crimes that Shook the World has a show on the Monster of Florence. There's not a word about satanic cults or anything like that ... 30 minutes in. They usually repeat their shows a few times during the week.

Jester

11-14-2009, 12:08 AM

Mignini is not mentioned, and the only reference to satanic cult is in relation to a guy that was suspected in 2007 of hiring Pietro Pacciano to take female parts for rituals ... but that came to nothing.

Each time the wrong person was arrested, the monster of Florence killed another couple. When Pietro Pacciano was arrested, the murders stopped.

I know that there have been some programs trying to relate the investigation into Meredith's murder to the investigation into the monster of Florence, but I didn't even recognize any of the names of investigators. I'm inclined to think that the Dateline program, or whatever it was, was more sensationalism than anything else ... or perhaps an opportunity for that reporter that tried to inject himself into the investigation to vent.

Jester

11-14-2009, 01:26 PM

Does Rudy's appeal start on the 18th?

Emerald

11-14-2009, 02:17 PM

Several experts in the United States have already looked at the DNA, according to Mellas. "It's terrible, it wouldn't be allowed in U.S. courts and it doesn't stand up to any standards," she said.

Though Mellas is confident that the trial is going well, she is also prepared for defeat. She told Rodriguez that she had been warned by several people that justice isn't always served in Italy right away.

"That's just how it works, just because you're innocent, you're not found innocent, at least at this first level."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/09/national/main5374002.shtml

This kind of xenophobia completely irks me. Just like it did during the Aruba case.

Jester

11-14-2009, 05:12 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/09/national/main5374002.shtml

This kind of xenophobia completely irks me. Just like it did during the Aruba case.

It would have been a good idea for Amanda's mom to mention the names of experts that have dismissed the DNA.

I agree ... the blanket statement that "justice isn't always served in Italy right away" is terrifically condescending. I'd like it better if she said that although Amanda will most likely be found guilty, she'll have another crack at it during appeal - just like in America.

"It's terrible, it wouldn't be allowed in U.S. courts and it doesn't stand up to any standards," she said. (from link)

Jester

11-14-2009, 10:41 PM

Is mom really planning a party?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/11/15/amanda-knox-s-mum-planning-a-big-welcome-home-for-daughter-on-trial-for-meredith-kercher-murder-115875-21822281/

Numerous errors in the article

Jester

11-14-2009, 10:51 PM

That article must have been released by her PR people ... so many errors, some facts ... final arguments will be presented starting Friday, and a decision is due in December.

I'm looking forward to Rudy's testimony. He's had a lot of time to come up with a story he thinks will lead to his freedom, or at least an early release.

There's almost an attitude of superiority towards the Italian justice system ... between statements about evidence being rejected, but by whom ... and planning a party for someone who cannot explain her DNA at a crime scene.

Emerald

11-15-2009, 02:50 PM

Interesting article, Michael.

Recently Mr Berlusconi’s coalition passed a law to guarantee immunity from prosecution to the four highest offices of the Republic, including that of the Prime Minister, but the Supreme Constitutional Court struck it down as unconstitutional.

Looks like Executive Privilege doesn't work there like so many of our highest elected officials have used in the US.

Emerald

11-16-2009, 02:11 PM

Rudy's 2nd level starts in two days (11/18). Will we get the same detailed reports as in AK's trial? I'm anxious to know his strategy this time.

Pierre

11-16-2009, 02:53 PM

A great deal has been written about Amanda Knox. Not so much about Raffaele and very little about Rudy Guede. The little that has been written about Rudy for the mostpart, has been FOA filtered propaganda. Therefore, with a few rare exceptions, the only real source we've had to enable us to get to know him has been his diary, which really has only given us a glimpse of his character.

For those interested in understanding this individual a little better, 'Jools' has posted on PMF a full translation of an article written by a local journalist who conducted an interview with someone instrumental in Rudy's upbringing. I would post it here, but it's rather large so I don't think I'll get it past the word count. So, here's the link:

http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?p=20658#p20658

swell, Ted Bundy was well liked and polite also. I thought he had parents with money? Why did they feel uneasy about giving Rudy a key to the house? Did he already have a reputation of stealing, just not from his friends?

Emerald

11-17-2009, 10:50 AM

I read at TJ there was a special investigator from Rome observing from behind a one-way mirror as Amanda gave the 'Patrick confession'. I was not aware of that.

pixiejoolz

11-18-2009, 09:06 AM

Translated Italian press reports from Guede's appeal are being posted up on PMF, starting from this post HERE (http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?p=20812#p20812)

Rudy Guede has made a spontaneous statement to the court outlining his version of what happened that night (see above linked reports).

Thank you so much for posting links and info, Michael - it's so difficult to get news about this case.:smile:

lunchlady

11-18-2009, 09:28 AM

Wow, these trials/appeals are going on forever. I think its good to have Rudy's appeal happen before the verdicts for A and R, since more info will come out. Rudy's story seems consistent, but I still doubt he's telling the whole truth.
The stolen money is a neglected aspect of this case IMO. An argument over stolen money and other issues between the two females seems totally plausible as described by Rudy, especially considering that someone tried to access M's bank account with her phone after her death.
I don't understand the rape evidence for him- is it possible he didn't rape her or not?

Darcy

11-18-2009, 10:01 AM

Michael, are the Judges that passed the sentence of 30yrs on Rudy, the same ones that are deliberating on Amanda and Raffaele's outcome?
Thanks,

Jester

11-18-2009, 10:06 AM

dgfred

11-18-2009, 10:08 AM

Translated Italian press reports from Guede's appeal are being posted up on PMF, starting from this post HERE (http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?p=20812#p20812)

Rudy Guede has made a spontaneous statement to the court outlining his version of what happened that night (see above linked reports).

Thanks Michael.
I was hoping he would give 'new' information about how the 3 might have come together that night... no such luck. Same old story with a subtle change or two to put him in a bit better light, didn't work either.

dgfred

11-18-2009, 10:11 AM

What I find most unbelievable about Rudy's statement is that, according to him, the assault on Meredith took less than the length of 2 songs. We know from what little has been released of the autopsy report that Meredith had numerous injuries, that her windpipe was crushed, and that the assault most likely took longer than approximately 5 minutes. This, in itself, discredits Rudy.

As for implicating Amanda, but not Raffaele, one has to wonder what has influenced him to make this statement. I don't believe his appeal testimony.

Yes, interesting he would implicate Amanda. Seems he would do the same for Raffaele to make his 'story' more credible. IMO he should have just said that Amanda set up the meeting, and that both of them were at the crime scene... but he is not sure what happened. Why not... it couldn't hurt him any further and it can not be proven one way or the other.

Jester

11-18-2009, 10:11 AM

Thanks Michael.
I was hoping he would give 'new' information about how the 3 might have come together that night... no such luck. Same old story with a subtle change or two to put him in a bit better light, didn't work either.

He's still trying to get out from under the murder charge ... and this time he's pointing a finger directly at Amanda. It could be that he's doing this because the evidence against Amanda is stronger than the evidence against Raffaele.

He wanted the towel evidence analyzed to demonstrate that his hand was cut during the altercation ... hoping to argue that someone else cut his hand, but even if his hand was cut and even if his blood was on the towel, it wouldn't exonerate him.

Jester

11-18-2009, 10:14 AM

Yes, interesting he would implicate Amanda. Seems he would do the same for Raffaele to make his 'story' more credible. IMO he should have just said that Amanda set up the meeting, and that both of them were at the crime scene... but he is not sure what happened. Why not... it couldn't hurt him any further and it can not be proven one way or the other.

I like that. It would have been better for him to say that, as it doesn't involve identifying anyone as the murderer, but still leaves open the possibility that someone else orchestrated the events of the evening.

Jester

11-18-2009, 10:27 AM

Michael, thank you so much for all the links and information ... you bring a lot to the discussion, and it's much appreciated.

Darcy

11-18-2009, 11:02 AM

Thank you Michael for your quick reply and keeping us up to date. I can see the UK news agencies picking up this latest information already. I dread to see the tabloid press in the morning. I hope that Meredith's family can bear the sensationalism once again and pray that soon they can remember Meredith as a loving daughter and sister and not a victim.

dgfred

11-18-2009, 11:28 AM

I think many were hoping that. But, I wasn't holding my breath. In the weeks/months running up to the appeal, the language coming out of the Guede camp was that Rudy was going to maintain his story as he told it in his first degree trial. That story doesn't allow for his meeting up with Amanda and Raffaele, so I really couldn't see him enlightening us on that matter.

I still think his only 'out' was revealing (or lying) that Amanda set up their meeting, both her and Raffaele were there, he doesn't know how the murder happened (in bathroom) and then he panicked. Then state he was scared to mention them there in earlier proceedings because he feared they would place all the blame on him. Probably would not have worked, but I would have given it a try.

dgfred

11-18-2009, 12:09 PM

Exactly. What would have happened if he threw out several other different 'theories' or 'scenarios' (even if they were lies) putting AK and RS there at the scene and completely throwing them under the bus???
I mean, it couldn't get any worse for him could it? What if he said: AK set up our meeting, both AK and RS were there, I went to the bathroom, AK and Meredith got into an arguement, they killed Meredith, I heard the scream and saw them running away, I tried to help but panicked, then fled myself? Little could be disproved... and it might have given him some benefit of doubt I just don't know.

Emerald

11-18-2009, 12:39 PM

I don't believe AK spent the entire night with RS. She wouldn't waste valuable party time and a good buzz sleeping the night away.

dgfred

11-18-2009, 12:45 PM

But Michael they already knew he was not being truthful and he was convicted. How would they sift out what was truth and what was not
if he changed to blaming AK and RS completely?

dgfred

11-18-2009, 12:47 PM

Well since he is so 'truthful' I guess we can be quite sure that Amanda was there. Wonder why he didn't do the same about Raffaele?

Emerald

11-18-2009, 02:11 PM

In court, Rudy places himself at the scene of the crime.

In court, Amanda places herself at the scene of the crime.

We're getting closer to the truth.

Emerald

11-18-2009, 02:26 PM

Guede appeal latest on TJMK - Rudy Guede Appeal: Court Adjourned - Defense Closing And Court Decision December 21st (http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/comments/rudy_guede_appeal_court_adjourned_defense_closing_ and_court_decision_decemb/#comments)

"But that Guede did not call an ambulance seems to have sealed Meredith’s fate forever. The prosecutor today said Guede had PLENTY of time to call an ambulance while Meredith would still have been alive.

Instead, Guede abandoned Meredith to die slowly and painfully, he went home to clean up, and he went out to a disco."

This is my opinion of Amanda. I hope the Judge says the same in her case.

dgfred

11-18-2009, 03:03 PM

It seems an 'all or nothing' bid was not the best choice, and Rudy should have attempted to 'muddy' the waters as best he could. Saying both AK and RS were there, and they had set up the meeting would have provided the mud... then blaming the murder on them.

Emerald

11-18-2009, 04:13 PM

Francesco Maresca is the only common thread throughout all the trials. At what point does he have access to the legal files of both sides? Must he wait until it is presented in court?

Emerald

11-18-2009, 04:36 PM

New 3 page article for ABC by ANN WISE (http://abcnews.go.com/WN/rudy-guede-amanda-knox-leave-murder-scene/story?id=9117060)

Thanks for the link, Michael

Amanda's detailed story of witnessing Patrick Lumumba leaving the crime scene is almost identical to RG's spontaneous statement.

I know PL is innocent. My point is this very brief statement by Rudy condemns Amanda.

dgfred

11-18-2009, 04:42 PM

Emerald

11-18-2009, 05:05 PM

I think it might have been a total lie. He said the doorbell rang... why would AK or RS need to ring the bell, she had a key? I feel like his only possible out was to say that Amanda arranged the get together, Raffaele was there, they had an arguement, he came out of the bathroom and there Meredith was dying, panicked and fled. He might could have said he wasn't honest before because he thought AK and RS would be found to be the killers, and he didn't want them to put the blame on him. Well, what y'all think?

I think Amanda left RS's after he went to sleep. She went out partying and found somebody to bring home. That's what the screaming fight between Meredith and Amanda was.

I believe there was a 3rd perpetrator there. Just don't think it was RS.

Emerald

11-18-2009, 05:15 PM

I think those who are most used to telling lies mix lies with truth, in equal measure.

Amanda and Rudy had no opportunity to get together to their tales. Yet, both contain the same details in their lies. Not coincidence.

IMO

Jester

11-18-2009, 06:49 PM

New 3 page article for ABC by ANN WISE (http://abcnews.go.com/WN/rudy-guede-amanda-knox-leave-murder-scene/story?id=9117060)

Just reading this article:

"Guede said he and Kercher started making out and petting, but stopped. Ten minutes later Guede says he went to the bathroom, and while there the doorbell rang and he heard Kercher arguing with Knox."

If it was Amanda, she wouldn't ring the doorbell, she would walk in.

Jester

11-18-2009, 06:55 PM

I think Amanda left RS's after he went to sleep. She went out partying and found somebody to bring home. That's what the screaming fight between Meredith and Amanda was.

I believe there was a 3rd perpetrator there. Just don't think it was RS.

Did Amanda have a key to Raffaele's apartment? If not, then it would be difficult for her to re-enter his apt.

Emerald

11-18-2009, 08:20 PM

We've heard from Amanda and Rudy. It would be easier to decipher if we heard from Raffaele.

JMO

Jester

11-18-2009, 11:28 PM

Thanks for the link, Michael

Amanda's detailed story of witnessing Patrick Lumumba leaving the crime scene is almost identical to RG's spontaneous statement.

I know PL is innocent. My point is this very brief statement by Rudy condemns Amanda.

I went back to Amanda's voluntary statement, curious about what Amanda said about Patrick. This is what I found:

"In my mind I saw Patrik in flashes of blurred images. I saw him near the basketball court. I saw him at my front door. I saw myself cowering in the kitchen with my hands over my ears because in my head I could hear Meredith screaming. But I've said this many times so as to make myself clear: these things seem unreal to me, like a dream, and I am unsure if they are real things that happened or are just dreams my head has made to try to answer the questions in my head and the questions I am being asked."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1570225/Transcript-of-Amanda-Knoxs-note.html

Emerald

11-19-2009, 01:08 AM

JMO

Amanda's story is almost identical to Rudy's story.

Who was at the apartment door?

It seems Amanda was at her apartment and left several times that night.

Jester

11-19-2009, 02:34 AM

JMO

Amanda's story is almost identical to Rudy's story.

Who was at the apartment door?

It seems Amanda was at her apartment and left several times that night.

Rudy, Amanda, and the woman across the street all report a scream.

Rudy and the woman across the street heard footsteps, or someone, running from the cottage.

Rudy and Amanda confirm that, as Rudy put it, a black man was there. Amanda named a different black man, and admitted during questioning that no one put Lumumba's name in her mouth ... she did that all by herself.

As Michael said, the door could have been dead bolted ... although not likely by Meredith with Rudy in the cottage.

As far I as know from the timeline, Amanda and Raffaele left the cottage around 4 pm. After that, Amanda says they walked through town, Raffaele says they went to his house. The difference could be nothing more than Raffaele taking a familiar way, and Amanda (new in town) thought they were walking through town. Their stories get mixed up again later in the evening, with Amanda saying they ate late, but the friend (with the suitcase) placed the time closer to 8:40. After that ... no clue ... although I'm leaning towards the possibility that Amanda, and possibly Raffaele went out again that evening. Maybe they bumped into Rudy at the kebab stand, and hatched a romantic evening ... and talks about rent money, cleaning routines, having men around the house (who knows).

Jester

11-19-2009, 02:35 AM

JMO

Amanda's story is almost identical to Rudy's story.

Who was at the apartment door?

It seems Amanda was at her apartment and left several times that night.

Rudy, Amanda, and the woman across the street all report a scream.

Rudy and the woman across the street heard footsteps, or someone, running from the cottage.

Rudy and Amanda confirm that, as Rudy put it, a black man was there. Amanda named a different black man, and admitted during questioning that no one put Lumumba's name in her mouth ... she did that all by herself.

As Michael said, the door could have been dead bolted ... although not likely by Meredith with Rudy in the cottage. What kind of deadbolt are we talking about? Amanda should have had all keys to the cottage ... never locked out - since she lived there.

As far I as know from the timeline, Amanda and Raffaele left the cottage around 4 pm. After that, Amanda says they walked through town, Raffaele says they went to his house. The difference could be nothing more than Raffaele taking a familiar way, and Amanda (new in town) thought they were walking through town. Their stories get mixed up again later in the evening, with Amanda saying they ate late, but the friend (with the suitcase) placed the time closer to 8:40. After that ... no clue ... although I'm leaning towards the possibility that Amanda, and possibly Raffaele went out again that evening. Maybe they bumped into Rudy at the kebab stand, and hatched a romantic evening ... and talks about rent money, cleaning routines, having men around the house (who knows).

Jester

11-19-2009, 02:42 AM

Amanda and Raffaele were picked up first? or was it Rudy?

I'm just wondering ... if Amanda was picked up before Rudy, and Amanda put the wrong black man in the scene, maybe that was her way of ensuring (hoping) that Rudy wouldn't turn on her. She knew that a black man was seen fleeing from the scene, so she put a different black man there ... without realizing that she was implicating herself by knowing too much about the crime scene.

Another story match:

Amanda and Rudy knew early on that more than one person was involved in the murder.

No one else knew that until after the evidence analysis.

Jester

11-19-2009, 02:51 AM

Can you imagine the moment that Rudy was told that Amanda was arrested, or vice versa? I would like to see video of that. I think that would reveal more of the truth.

Part of me is still having difficulties believing that Raffaele could be involved, but he had his fetishes, like Amanda. Both fetishes, knives and sexual storytelling, were present at the murder scene. Rudy was just a "dead puppy", as the phrase goes ... or lovesick young man, malleable. Footage would make for good behavioral analysis (psychology).

Jester

11-19-2009, 03:12 AM

sorry for the double post ... I think an edit turned into a re-post ... oops

dgfred

11-19-2009, 10:09 AM

I'd better clarify here. Yes, we can offer all sorts of 'ifs' or 'mabes', maybe Amanda forgot her key, maybe the dodgy front door lock wouldn't respond to Amanda's key, maybe Meredith had assumed nobody was returning that night and put the dead bolt on...so, Amanda had to ring the bell, or maybe that was Raffaele arriving later...all those things might work. But they also require us believing Rudy in that he was completely seperate from Amanda (and by extension, completely seperate from the crime).

However, personally, I don't believe Rudy's claim that he and Amanda were seperate and arrived at the cottage at different times. I think that part of his story is false. I don't think he arrived at the cottage alone. And that arrival was not with Meredith, but someone 'else'.

Interesting. So you think AK, RS and Rudy met up before the 'game' started? Do you mind laying out your entire scenario of what went on?
I would enjoy reading it.

Emerald

11-19-2009, 10:34 AM

The doorbell rings. The person who lives there would respond. Not the guest. Amanda was already there. Meredith was still alive at that point.

dgfred

11-19-2009, 12:33 PM

I don't think there's much point in my doing so. Since, the prosecution are going to do that tomorrow and Saturday. I therefore think it would be wiser for me to listen to their scenario first.

OK then :wink: , but your scenario might be more accurate anyway.

Emerald

11-19-2009, 03:52 PM

Having senior moments here. :blink:

I'm confused about the court timeline.

Is Rudy's appeal over except for the closing statements? When is the decision expected? Can his sentence be reduced or increased? Can there be an appeal to a third level?

When Amanda's trial resumes next week, will more testimony or spontaneous statements be allowed?

In Italy, is there such a thing as early release for good behavior?

Emerald

11-19-2009, 09:44 PM

Thank you Michael. :thumbup:

Getting all the information at once about both trials is a bit hard to decipher at times.

So, now I can put the Rudy trial aside forr now toconcentrate on Amanda. :wink:

Emerald

11-20-2009, 04:58 AM

Meredith Murder: Knox's Parents Want Meeting

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Meredith-Kercher-Murder-Amanda-Knoxs-Parents-Want-To-Meet-Victims-Family/Article/200911315458346?lpos=Home_Carousel_Region_1&lid=ARTICLE_15458346_Meredith_Kercher_Murder%3A_Am anda_Knoxs_Parents_Want_To_Meet_Victims_Family

Why in h*ll are AK's parents doing this to Meredith Kerchers Family and those who love and miss her? The press is not the place for this. It's cruel. :cursing:

JMO

Justice4all

11-20-2009, 10:40 AM

I wonder how long it will take to get a verdict.

dgfred

11-20-2009, 12:44 PM

Little late to become upset enough to cry... maybe she should have showed this emotion at first in sorrow for Meredith.

Emerald

11-20-2009, 02:20 PM

The Prosecutor handled AK's Family well in his closing statement. :thumbsup: Too bad Edda Mellas was not there. Would have liked to have a report of her response.

In many interviews, Edda Mellas has stated Amanda should have fled Italy to avoid prosecution. No doubt the Prosecutor has in his files a copy of the statement each and every time it was made.

Was Meredith Kercher's Family present for the closing statement? When does their attorney speak?

IMO

Emerald

11-20-2009, 02:33 PM

Amanda was already incarcerated when she gave the 'Patrick' statement.

When did she relate to information to her Mother?

Emerald

11-20-2009, 03:34 PM

The first weekend after her arrest...on the Saturday.

So, if the Police were listening to AK's phone calls, and heard the confession to her Mother that she lied, why did they continue to hold PL?

dgfred

11-20-2009, 04:24 PM

Even if it was taped?

dgfred

11-20-2009, 04:55 PM

Thanks Michael.

I am finding the 'drug' angle that you guys are talking about on your site very interesting. That maybe the 3 were there to find drugs and were suprised my Meredith coming home... and things escalated.
Or that maybe the 3 were just being rowdy and things spiraled out of control. RS being silent is a big deal to me, I believe that all 3 went to the house together.

Also Michael- On your site... What is this about the 200$ that the man that's name starts with a K is talking about that was concerning Rudi? Was this testified to in court? What is the deal with this information?
Just curious.

Emerald

11-20-2009, 07:29 PM

Prosecutor: Amanda Knox mastermind in murder of roommate
By ANDREA VOGT
SEATTLEPI.COM

SEATTLE PI (http://www.seattlepi.com/local/412504_knox20.html)

He also mentioned Sollecito's alleged past use of cocaine and LSD

I've wondered about that, too. Even posted about it several times before I knew there was a history of it.

I don't think that was just plain pot they smoked. Or the mushrooms they had for dinner were of the 'magic' variety. Amanda made sure to accentuate they had mushrooms that night. It's not so strange to have mushrooms with a meal, but why did Amanda make such a huge deal of it? The lack of ability to mold a cohesive timeline; Amanda's descriptions sounded a lot like drug induced hallucinations.

If this is the case, Amanda has stooped to a newer level by not telling the truth and giving the Kercher Family the tools to move on.

I don't believe she stayed at Raffaele's all night.

BTW, I'm not a druggie, but a child of the '60s. :thumbup:

Jester

11-21-2009, 07:08 PM

The prosecution timeline doesn't work with the cellphone calls to the bank. Those calls were recorded some short distance from the cottage at 10:13 PM. The new timeline has Amanda, Raffaele, and Rudy arriving at 11:20. Any thoughts on how this discrepancy can be explained?

Emerald

11-22-2009, 07:28 PM

Rudy and Raffaele describe Meredith inglowing angelic terms. Most likely, before the crime too.

This must have really annoyed Amanda. Especially since she was the one who was described that way all her life by her Family.

JMO

Emerald

11-23-2009, 03:48 AM

JMO

It was very arrogant of Amanda to verbally attack the Prosecutor with the spontaneous statement. Surely won't bode well with the jurors perception of the evidence.

JMO

dgfred

11-23-2009, 10:13 AM

JMO

It was very arrogant of Amanda to verbally attack the Prosecutor with the spontaneous statement. Surely won't bode well with the jurors perception of the evidence.

JMO

What did she say?

Emerald

11-23-2009, 05:30 PM

What did she say?

Amanda said the whole scenario presented by the Prosecutor was pure fantasy. Maybe that's how she felt. But, throughout the trial, Amanda never spoke up, except during the libel portion. Why wait until it's over, then basically call the Prosecutor a liar?

The tears finally came at the end, too. Amanda had no problem describing the detail of the gruesome crime scene (which the investigators had not even concluded). Bragging that she had been the one to find the victim. The only way that could have happened is if Amanda had staged the scene, because she was kept away from the proximity of the crime as soon as the bedroom door was opened.

I have no doubt Amanda was there for the commission and staging of the crimes against Meredith Kercher. The tears during closing were Amanda's 'brick wall' moment that these were crimes for which she would be held accountable.

Amanda is not a martyr, taking one for the team as she and her Family want us to believe about the other indiscretions.

Amanda is a cold blooded, cruel sadistic criminal. There is a history of the escalation of her 'experiments'. It is lucky the others got away with their lives. Or did they?

JMO

dgfred

11-24-2009, 03:28 PM

It is amazing to me the hold/influence the US press has on something like this. Even though their reporting has been plainly biased for Amanda, some people don't even bother to check the facts to see for themselves. I have run into several people in person and on other forums that claim she is being railroaded, the prosecutor is making stuff up, their system is a farce, the evidence shows she wasn't present during the crime, and so on... without ever really studying what happened. Reminds me of our past election season.

Emerald

11-24-2009, 03:58 PM

The US press does this to All cases. Even US cases.

Whichever is the best way to make $$$, that's the slant they take.

Of course the parents think Amanda is a sweet little innocent angel. What else would her parents say about her?

Duh!

Emerald

11-25-2009, 04:48 AM

Wow! Looks like the recent brainwashing -----errrrrr----- publicity blitz isn't working. Not much interest from the public hear sermons with no questions or discussion of facts.

Amanda is NOT the victim here. The justice belongs to Meredith Kercher.

JMO

CHITCHAT

11-25-2009, 12:19 PM

Does it look like this trial will be over anytime soon? It seems like it has been going on forever. If (and I think she will) she is found guilty will she be able to serve her time here so her family can visit? (although I dont feel she deserves any special treatment).

dgfred

11-25-2009, 12:22 PM

I think Dec 4th and 5th are final prosecution dates.

dgfred

11-25-2009, 12:23 PM

CHITCHAT

11-25-2009, 01:09 PM

Darcy

11-25-2009, 01:30 PM

thanks...I think it looks pretty obvious she is guilty...and I'm sure the jury (all italians) will have it in for the rich (in there eyes) american and they will find her guilty...I have not followed this case closely but it looks pretty cut and dry doesnt it? In your opinion does she stand a chance of walking?

Hello CHITCHAT, I do believe that AK and RS will be found guilty but I do not believe that being 'rich', which I don't think AK is, will have anything to do the verdict. I believe RS is more affluent than AK and that won't save him either. There is an overwhelming amount of evidence that will speak to their guilt. The case is very interesting and Michael has been excellently guiding us through the intricacies of the Italian Legal System.

Darcy,

Justice4all

11-25-2009, 02:18 PM