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[Ladygator]

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[seeing_eye]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/111109-anthony-deposition
DEPOSITIONS Thursday Nov. 12, 2009

Thanks for the notice.

[jakee]

Thanks for the notice.

It says D Casey will be deposed also. I thought he got his delayed again. I can't wait to read Mallory's. Well D Caseys' too. :biggrin:

[Sun]

DCasey's Deposition Postponed

http://www.wftv.com/news/21573563/detail.html

[charmin 66]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/111109-anthony-deposition
DEPOSITIONS Thursday Nov. 12, 2009

D Casey delayed til 12/16

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/11/casey-anthony-private-eye-to-be-deposed-next-month.html

[Ladygator]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/111109-anthony-deposition
DEPOSITIONS Thursday Nov. 12, 2009

:thumbsup:

Maybe Mallory is the one with George's binder. She needs to get the script right!!!:wink:

[Ladygator]

From the last thread, about George, mixing and pouring {27} bags of cement on his own. I seen it mentioned that MAYBE he did it illegal, without a permit. If that is the case, doing the job on the 4th of July weekend would be to his advantage. Code enforcement and county vehicles aren't prowling the streets. IMO

[Lavinya]

From the last thread, about George, mixing and pouring {27} bags of cement on his own. I seen it mentioned that MAYBE he did it illegal, without a permit. If that is the case, doing the job on the 4th of July weekend would be to his advantage. Code enforcement and county vehicles aren't prowling the streets. IMO


Man, that's a lot of concrete to do himself on a weekend.

[kitty1182]

Man, that's a lot of concrete to do himself on a weekend.

(Should I tell a joke to get the mod over here?)

Sure is a lot of concrete..

[jakee]

:thumbsup:

Maybe Mallory is the one with George's binder. She needs to get the script right!!!:wink:

That crossed my mind. Why did it take so long to get her deposed?

[seeing_eye]

From the last thread, about George, mixing and pouring {27} bags of cement on his own. I seen it mentioned that MAYBE he did it illegal, without a permit. If that is the case, doing the job on the 4th of July weekend would be to his advantage. Code enforcement and county vehicles aren't prowling the streets. IMO

And as we already know, they're not averse to circumventing the law. And from what I've seen, Cindy and Casey seem to actually get a big kick out of it. Like a game, dontcha know?

[Lavinya]

Sure is a lot of concrete..

KITTY!!!! :wub: LTNS!

[kitty1182]

KITTY!!!! :wub: LTNS!



Thought I would drop in and do some catching up:wub:

[Ladygator]

Man, that's a lot of concrete to do himself on a weekend.

Yeah it is!!! Mixing concrete by hand is brutal. Unless he rented a mixer from one of those rental shops.

[Lavinya]

Yeah it is!!! Mixing concrete by hand is brutal. Unless he rented a mixer from one of those rental shops.

Hubby said with that kind of volume, you would come out ahead if you just got a concrete truck to brink it to you. Maybe George wanted to get out of the house. :wink:

[Ladygator]

Hubby said with that kind of volume, you would come out ahead if you just got a concrete truck to brink it to you. Maybe George wanted to get out of the house. :wink:

Does anyone have pics handy on the Anthony backyard? TIA

I recall quite a bit of confusion {as others mentioned on last thread} between 'concrete pouring' and 'pavers'.

Are they one in the same? Or totally different pads?

George would be better off chasing Casey down the interstate to get away from Cindy. She'd follow him into the backyard to make sure he's doing it right, lol.

[Lavinya]

Does anyone have pics handy on the Anthony backyard? TIA

I recall quite a bit of confusion {as others mentioned on last thread} between 'concrete pouring' and 'pavers'.

Are they one in the same? Or totally different pads?

George would be better off chasing Casey down the interstate to get away from Cindy. She'd follow him into the backyard to make sure he's doing it right, lol.

Pavers are pre-done concrete pads. Kind of like large stepping stones. (If he poured something, he would have had to have formed it up and put re-bar too, if he did it right.) Don't have a pic though. I have way too much on my computer and dumped everything. :sad:

[Spots]

Hubby said with that kind of volume, you would come out ahead if you just got a concrete truck to brink it to you. Maybe George wanted to get out of the house. :wink:

The definitive word on George's home project:

DH is a mason. He said if they were 40-lb bags, he could mix 27 bags in about 4 hours. If they were 80-lb bags, he could do it in about 7-8 hours.

Joe Average 50-year old homeowner - not a chance.

Plus, mixing it bag by bag to pour a large area - the first part would be setting up way before you could mix it all.

His opinion: Not a chance.

[sydney]

if their finances were so strapped, how did they manage to pay for a concrete slab in the back yard in the first place?

their finances went from "in the toilet" per george in his early le interviews to having bling, tatts and an unknown number of piercings.

[Ladygator]

Pavers are pre-done concrete pads. Kind of like large stepping stones. (If he poured something, he would have had to have formed it up and put re-bar too, if he did it right.) Don't have a pic though. I have way too much on my computer and dumped everything. :sad:

Right, I understand the difference. When I ask, are they one in the same, did he frame up an area, pour the cement, for a base, and then lay decorative pavers on top of that?

I'm confused. I only recall seeing what I thought was decorative pavers. Not a slab of grey cement.

[Spots]

if their finances were so strapped, how did they manage to pay for a concrete slab in the back yard in the first place?

their finances went from "in the toilet" per george in his early le interviews to having bling, tatts and an unknown number of piercings.

Credit cards. Hence the major debt.

[sydney]

Credit cards. Hence the major debt.

spot on! :smile:

[Ladygator]

The definitive word on George's home project:

DH is a mason. He said if they were 40-lb bags, he could mix 27 bags in about 4 hours. If they were 80-lb bags, he could do it in about 7-8 hours.

Joe Average 50-year old homeowner - not a chance.


Plus, mixing it bag by bag to pour a large area - the first part would be setting up way before you could mix it all.


His opinion: Not a chance.

BBM

Excellent point!

[IM4Truth]

I haven't been here for a long time and haven't read any of the newest doc dumps, just try to keep up on the case with Nancy Grace. What is all of the talk about 27 bags of concrete? Did George say something in a depo about them?

[sydney]

From the last thread, about George, mixing and pouring {27} bags of cement on his own. I seen it mentioned that MAYBE he did it illegal, without a permit. If that is the case, doing the job on the 4th of July weekend would be to his advantage. Code enforcement and county vehicles aren't prowling the streets. IMO

if we tried that without a permit where i live (in beautiful hawaii), they would be on us like flies on - er - well - PIZZA.

they do random drive-bys here, too and if they don't have a permit for the work, EVEN IF YOU PROVIDED IT AND THEY LOST IT - they will fine the whoops outta ya

[Scampi]

The definitive word on George's home project:

DH is a mason. He said if they were 40-lb bags, he could mix 27 bags in about 4 hours. If they were 80-lb bags, he could do it in about 7-8 hours.

Joe Average 50-year old homeowner - not a chance.

Plus, mixing it bag by bag to pour a large area - the first part would be setting up way before you could mix it all.

His opinion: Not a chance.

Why then, this means george was mistruthful ............... :ohmy:

[sydney]

Why then, this means george was mistruthful ............... :ohmy:

could this be where kc got her talent to tell mistruths?

in my experience, lies, excuse me, mistruths, usually contain a teeny tiny grain of truth. prolly why cindy felt she had to figure out the "clues" kc was leaving.

that still blows me away. her own daughter won't tell the truth for fear of endangering caylee or the family, yet they call all kc's friends, alert the police and put out the myspace things - anyone else see the contradiction here? oh, and let's not forget that lee ate the mystery pizza that could have come from the person(s) who would harm the family without a second thought. yeah - they really believed they were in danger, allright

[denjet]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/111109-anthony-deposition
DEPOSITIONS Thursday Nov. 12, 2009

Didn't Dominic get his moved to Dec 16th? Wonder if the article is wrong ...:confused:

[ellegna]

if their finances were so strapped, how did they manage to pay for a concrete slab in the back yard in the first place?

their finances went from "in the toilet" per george in his early le interviews to having bling, tatts and an unknown number of piercings.


And let's not forget the recent cruise.

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/cruise01.jpg

Is George sporting a diamond stud?

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/Georgeearring.jpg

I just hope they are not using Caylee Foundation donations to pay for all this :sneaky:

[sydney]

And let's not forget the recent cruise.

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/cruise01.jpg

Is George sporting a diamond stud?

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/Georgeearring.jpg

I just hope they are not using Caylee Foundation donations to pay for all this :sneaky:

i know people who work for not-for-profit organizations still get a paycheck. and if they are ceo's (or whatever the term is), it's prolly a big 'un. so, i think it may be a safe bet to say that yeah - caylee is paying for all that bling

[Lavinya]

Right, I understand the difference. When I ask, are they one in the same, did he frame up an area, pour the cement, for a base, and then lay decorative pavers on top of that?

I'm confused. I only recall seeing what I thought was decorative pavers. Not a slab of grey cement.

Oh sorry. :blushing: I never heard of laying pavers in concrete.

[seeing_eye]

Didn't Dominic get his moved to Dec 16th? Wonder if the article is wrong ...:confused:

Hey, what's this all about? I thought DCasey got his depo postponed again. What is the truth here?

[Sun]

I haven't been here for a long time and haven't read any of the newest doc dumps, just try to keep up on the case with Nancy Grace. What is all of the talk about 27 bags of concrete? Did George say something in a depo about them?

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310228/detail.html

Yes, George describes the concrete (around pages 202-204 IIRC)

[Motomom]

Why then, this means george was mistruthful ............... :ohmy:

Then who poured it? If he hired someone, I'm sure they'd have stepped forward by now. I don't know, either the pad is there or it's not. Would LE be able to tell how "new" it is? When did he supposedly pour it? A man would have alot of adrenaline pumping through his body if he had just found out his granddaughter had been laying dead in that back yard, maybe buried? Maybe the pouring of the concrete was his best at disturbing as much of the area as possible? I don't understand why he would lie about who poured it... if it's there I guess LOL

[denjet]

Does anyone have pics handy on the Anthony backyard? TIA

I recall quite a bit of confusion {as others mentioned on last thread} between 'concrete pouring' and 'pavers'.

Are they one in the same? Or totally different pads?

George would be better off chasing Casey down the interstate to get away from Cindy. She'd follow him into the backyard to make sure he's doing it right, lol.

Here's some:
(My notes said July 18)

Anthony Backyard I (http://tinypic.com/r/2ahayph/4)

Anthony Backyard II (http://tinypic.com/r/33wnx4l/4)

Anthony Backyard III (http://tinypic.com/r/8x66iq/4)

In the Greta Video you can see cement up near the back patio against the house ... can't find a pic of that

[Lavinya]

The definitive word on George's home project:

DH is a mason. He said if they were 40-lb bags, he could mix 27 bags in about 4 hours. If they were 80-lb bags, he could do it in about 7-8 hours.

Joe Average 50-year old homeowner - not a chance.

Plus, mixing it bag by bag to pour a large area - the first part would be setting up way before you could mix it all.

His opinion: Not a chance.

I forgot, that's the other thing my hubby said; about the concrete setting up so quickly. My hubs is definitely over 50 and he said, "No way."

[Sun]

Didn't Dominic get his moved to Dec 16th? Wonder if the article is wrong ...:confused:

DCasey's Deposition Postponed

http://www.wftv.com/news/21573563/detail.html

[sydney]

Oh sorry. :blushing: I never heard of laying pavers in concrete.

do people lay pavers in DEEP concrete? i was under the impression the patio was a couple of inches thick. i mean, i thought pavers would be placed on a skim coat (or whatever that's called) just to keep them in place.

spots - a little help here please

[Spots]

do people lay pavers in DEEP concrete? i was under the impression the patio was a couple of inches thick. i mean, i thought pavers would be placed on a skim coat (or whatever that's called) just to keep them in place.

spots - a little help here please

What a time for DH to be snoring on the couch. :mad:

From memory:

He has poured concrete pads and then topped them with flagstone, usually about 1 1/2 inches thick. The whole idea of pavers (3 - 4" thick) is to bypass the concrete step. They are laid in sand or limestone dust, and *not* filled in for easy drainage.

If George poured even a thin concrete slab and then laid pavers, he was wasting his money and giving water a place to puddle up.

See, dear? I *was* paying attention! <angel smilie>

[Sun]

The definitive word on George's home project:

DH is a mason. He said if they were 40-lb bags, he could mix 27 bags in about 4 hours. If they were 80-lb bags, he could do it in about 7-8 hours.

Joe Average 50-year old homeowner - not a chance.

Plus, mixing it bag by bag to pour a large area - the first part would be setting up way before you could mix it all.

His opinion: Not a chance.

I seriously doubt that George would even pick up an 80 lb bag. Do they make smaller than a 40-pound bag? Shucks, how many trips would it take to haul that many bags/lbs to the Anthony home?

I hardly imagine that George did a "professional" job with the concrete, as he made absolutely no mention of forming or other things that would be necessary. IMO, what George did was to coverup, or to keep Cindy from knowing something.

[Spots]

I seriously doubt that George would even pick up an 80 lb bag. Do they make smaller than a 40-pound bag? Shucks, how many trips would it take to haul that many bags/lbs to the Anthony home?

I hardly imagine that George did a "professional" job with the concrete, as he made absolutely no mention of forming or other things that would be necessary. IMO, what George did was to coverup, or to keep Cindy from knowing something.

27 bags at 40 lbs each is over half a ton. No way George got that in his SUV.

[sydney]

What a time for DH to be snoring on the couch. :mad:

From memory:

He has poured concrete pads and then topped them with flagstone, usually about 1 1/2 inches thick. The whole idea of pavers (3 - 4" thick) is to bypass the concrete step. They are laid in sand or limestone dust, and *not* filled in for easy drainage.

If George poured even a thin concrete slab and then laid pavers, he was wasting his money and giving water a place to puddle up.

See, dear? I *was* paying attention! <angel smilie>

so, how thick were these pavers?

[Spots]

so, how thick were these pavers?

3-4 inches, Syd. Depends on the style, maker, etc. But they're substantial.

[Lavinya]

I seriously doubt that George would even pick up an 80 lb bag. Do they make smaller than a 40-pound bag? Shucks, how many trips would it take to haul that many bags/lbs to the Anthony home?

I hardly imagine that George did a "professional" job with the concrete, as he made absolutely no mention of forming or other things that would be necessary. IMO, what George did was to coverup, or to keep Cindy from knowing something.

Maybe his binder is under that concrete. :sneaky:

[AnnieKins]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/111109-anthony-deposition
DEPOSITIONS Thursday Nov. 12, 2009

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but any idea when we'll get to see them?

[sydney]

3-4 inches, Syd. Depends on the style, maker, etc. But they're substantial.

ssooooo, it's doubtful he needed that much concrete to do the job? or was the area huge? (shades of sp with the anchors)

[Spots]

ssooooo, it's doubtful he needed that much concrete to do the job? or was the area huge? (shades of sp with the anchors)

The entire backyard is the size of a postage stamp. I can't imagine him using that much concrete - they whole area would be paved.

I also can't see George lifting 2 bags, let alone 27, but that's just my opinion. He doesn't seem to have that....... er...... motivation.

[sydney]

The entire backyard is the size of a postage stamp. I can't imagine him using that much concrete - they whole area would be paved.

I also can't see George lifting 2 bags, let alone 27, but that's just my opinion. He doesn't seem to have that....... er...... motivation.

not only that, but didn't he have knee replacement and a second wc injury (unknown body part at this time)? i would imagine lifting heavy bags of concrete would hurt a little at his age and with a prior injuries, wouldn't you?

[spiritwolf46]

Why then, this means george was mistruthful ............... :ohmy:

George may tell mistruths, but that doesn't make him a murderer! Oh, wait!!!!!!!!! :sneaky:

[Sun]

ssooooo, it's doubtful he needed that much concrete to do the job? or was the area huge? (shades of sp with the anchors)

In George's State Depo, he said the size was 5 foot by 8-9 foot (no mention of how thick. You really must read pages 201 through 205 or so of George's Depo. Cindy also planted flowers according to George.

[charmin 66]

The entire backyard is the size of a postage stamp. I can't imagine him using that much concrete - they whole area would be paved.

I also can't see George lifting 2 bags, let alone 27, but that's just my opinion. He doesn't seem to have that....... er...... motivation.

I agree. Maybe George said 2-7 bags.

You know like Casey dropped off Caylee precisely between 9 and 1.

[Ladygator]

Here's some:
(My notes said July 18)

Anthony Backyard I (http://tinypic.com/r/2ahayph/4)

Anthony Backyard II (http://tinypic.com/r/33wnx4l/4)

Anthony Backyard III (http://tinypic.com/r/8x66iq/4)

In the Greta Video you can see cement up near the back patio against the house ... can't find a pic of that

Ah, okay. That makes sense then.

Thanks for the pics. These are the pavers I seen.

[ellegna]

The entire backyard is the size of a postage stamp. I can't imagine him using that much concrete - they whole area would be paved.

I also can't see George lifting 2 bags, let alone 27, but that's just my opinion. He doesn't seem to have that....... er...... motivation.

Here's the Greta tour of the house.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eMDQzXM4zU

When they walk up to the shed, it appears to be recently paved. The concrete still has that "whiteness" to it. If that's the area George paved, IMO it should not have taken 27 bags.

[Heyes]

hey everyone!
Ok break this down. We all know that by july 4th Caylee was dead. The first thing these creatures did after bringing the car home was check the backyard. The dogs hit on the backyard. They lie constantly so we can discount georges fairytale of 27 bags of concrete and his merely putting in a nice little family patio. No way! If george broke a sweat on a national holiday he was up to no good. IMO something about this smells as much as the pontiac. Nope I'm going with the mindset that george lied about at least half the story and the reasoning is something nefarious regarding Caylee. I don't think there are any coincidences in this case. July 4th? no, george was hiding something and IMO Casey ruined his plan. Don't know the what or why but I believe this huge amount of labor in the Florida summer heat only happened because in his mind....it had to. Oh if I could have a wish right now it would be to corner Yuri and make him spill all! lol

[denjet]

Ah, okay. That makes sense then.

Thanks for the pics. These are the pavers I seen.

YW!
I haven't been able to find a pic of the stone from the crime scene that was taken into evidence or why it was but it's listed on an evidence list ... I wanted to see if it was like the multi-colored ones in the A's backyard ...
I just can figure out why they would pick up a stone ??

[martha]

Hi everyone I just come to read and see if we had anything new now. I have had to be busy with things and it messes with me reading every day. I know all you good posters will keep me up to date. or we going to get some more doc.tomorrow? I can;t believe g and c or not on tv or doing something to get in the news. Anyone know anything about what they or doing now days let us know.It is not long to the first of the year and I am so hoping they will have a trial then.jmho:wub:

[Heyes]

Hi everyone I just come to read and see if we had anything new now. I have had to be busy with things and it messes with me reading every day. I know all you good posters will keep me up to date. or we going to get some more doc.tomorrow? I can;t believe g and c or not on tv or doing something to get in the news. Anyone know anything about what they or doing now days let us know.It is not long to the first of the year and I am so hoping they will have a trial then.jmho:wub:


Good evening Martha!
I gotta tell ya, after this last doc dump I have been suprised that not one of those defense attorneys or any of the anthony's have called a press conference. Cindy must be trying to contact her "sources" but maybe they are no longer returning her calls. Don't we wish. Ha!

[Heyes]

hi AnnieKins,
Maybe at the next document dump, although I hope it's before then.

These are depositions through Morgan and Morgan?? We might see them that same day!

[AnnieKins]

These are depositions through Morgan and Morgan?? We might see them that same day!

I have every one of my fingers and toes crossed! :smile:

[Dovey]

YW!
I haven't been able to find a pic of the stone from the crime scene that was taken into evidence or why it was but it's listed on an evidence list ... I wanted to see if it was like the multi-colored ones in the A's backyard ...
I just can figure out why they would pick up a stone ??



Good question I too wonder what this stone is. Any idea's?

[Dovey]

Thought I would drop in and do some catching up:wub:

Nice to see ya kitty, what did you think of the last doc dump?

[TaraCrazyHair]

What does George pouring cement have to do with Caylee?

I am a bit confused ... still catching up

[Dovey]

Here's the Greta tour of the house.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eMDQzXM4zU

When they walk up to the shed, it appears to be recently paved. The concrete still has that "whiteness" to it. If that's the area George paved, IMO it should not have taken 27 bags.

After re watching this video again, I wonder if George is lying about getting the gas can's back close to Casey's trunk of the car?

[Spots]

These are depositions through Morgan and Morgan?? We might see them that same day!

I hate to burst your bubble, but this is a deposition for the State. They'll sit on this for months. :mad:

[martha]

Good evening Martha!
I gotta tell ya, after this last doc dump I have been suprised that not one of those defense attorneys or any of the anthony's have called a press conference. Cindy must be trying to contact her "sources" but maybe they are no longer returning her calls. Don't we wish. Ha!ITA with you they or all being so quite. really I don;t know what they could say anyway. It looks like they have what they need to put casey away for a long time unless they have something we don;t know about. Like if they could tell us who did it and it not be casey.I think if they had that they could not be quite. I can;t see casey sitting in jail if they had something to clear her.jmho:wub:

[Dovey]

The stone was a paver, found at the crime scene where the body was found. When LE found that, they immediately went to the house and found that one of the pavers from the back yard was missing. NOW did I read that? YES. Do I remember which newspaper or doc? No, but I will see if I saved it on my computer.
Remember before the body was found one of the A's, either C or G said a paver was missing from the backyard.

TY
I had never read one paver was missing in the yard, interesting. If ya find it please post it....TIA

[TaraCrazyHair]

I am sorry but totally lost

If a paver/block was missing from the yard but was found by the body -- how does that further incriminate Casey?

[Justice4all]

I am sorry but totally lost

If a paver/block was missing from the yard but was found by the body -- how does that further incriminate Casey?

You don't really think ZFG went in the A's backyard and took the pavers do you?

[TaraCrazyHair]

You don't really think ZFG went in the A's backyard and took the pavers do you?

No -- just lost on what it means

My brain is not so sharp tonight

[IM4Truth]

In George's State Depo, he said the size was 5 foot by 8-9 foot (no mention of how thick. You really must read pages 201 through 205 or so of George's Depo. Cindy also planted flowers according to George.

I thought I read there where who ever was questioning him said something like then it was about 4" deep.

[denjet]

The stone was a paver, found at the crime scene where the body was found. When LE found that, they immediately went to the house and found that one of the pavers from the back yard was missing. NOW did I read that? YES. Do I remember which newspaper or doc? No, but I will see if I saved it on my computer.
Remember before the body was found one of the A's, either C or G said a paver was missing from the backyard.

I remember that too Elyssa, which is why I wanted to see a pic of the one they took from the crime scene ... and my recall of where is about the same as yours !! LOL

I certainly will post if I can figure that out ... it must be in one of the interviews with George? I mean him saying there was a paver missing? Be sure to post if you find anything more ... thanks

[Dovey]

No -- just lost on what it means

My brain is not so sharp tonight

No one really said that.

[Spots]

No -- just lost on what it means

My brain is not so sharp tonight

1. I do not recall any mention of pavers being missing from the back yard, although I could be wrong.

2. There were similar pavers/rocks found at the scene where D Casey was "searching." Close, but not at the crime scene.

3. I think they may have found similar pavers closer to the crime scene. I do remember seeing pictures of them.

4. I don't think it means a darn thing. It's not as though the pavers were used to weigh the body down as the site was not under water when Caylee was so unceremoniously dumped there. Interesting coincidence.

5. My brain's not so sharp tonight either, or I'd back up my ponderings with links. :D You'll have to settle for this: MOO.

[My Gal Sal]

I am sorry but totally lost

If a paver/block was missing from the yard but was found by the body -- how does that further incriminate Casey?

Well, I must say ... if it wasn't Casey, then it must have been someone else in her family. Who do you think? George or Cindy or Lee?

ETA: maybe Mallory?

[seeing_eye]

Well, I must say ... if it wasn't Casey, then it must have been someone else in her family. Who do you think? George or Cindy or Lee?

ETA: maybe Mallory?

None? :confused:

[denjet]

1. I do not recall any mention of pavers being missing from the back yard, although I could be wrong.

2. There were similar pavers/rocks found at the scene where D Casey was "searching." Close, but not at the crime scene.

3. I think they may have found similar pavers closer to the crime scene. I do remember seeing pictures of them.

4. I don't think it means a darn thing. It's not as though the pavers were used to weigh the body down as the site was not under water when Caylee was so unceremoniously dumped there. Interesting coincidence.

5. My brain's not so sharp tonight either, or I'd back up my ponderings with links. :D You'll have to settle for this: MOO.

I'm not sure what they took into evidence was a paver, it was listed as a stone ... so it's anyone's guess
the cement pavers that Dominic was looking near were supposedly closer to the road ... but their were two sets of pavers near the road

I got the impression that this was a stone that maybe LE recognized as being similar to something in the A's yard ... in any case, it must have been something that was out of place at the crime scene ...

OH, well, just one more missing piece of the puzzle I guess :shrug:

[Bette]

Well, I must say ... if it wasn't Casey, then it must have been someone else in her family. Who do you think? George or Cindy or Lee?

ETA: maybe Mallory?

I think Mallory is so well steeped and firmly entrenched with the Anthonys that she'd do just about anything for them, but WHY? Those pavers are heavy things ---- what could be the purpose of removing one from the Anthony yard and lugging it to the swamp? I'm lost on that one, too.

[My Gal Sal]

None? :confused:

Hi Seeing, while I don't understand your response, I truly LOVE your signature line. I believe in that also. I have two of my own (kitty cats).:wub:

[Spots]

I think Mallory is so well steeped and firmly entrenched with the Anthonys that she'd do just about anything for them, but WHY? Those pavers are heavy things ---- what could be the purpose of removing one from the Anthony yard and lugging it to the swamp? I'm lost on that one, too.

My money is on a random trash dump. What do you do with a leftover paver or two or three? Can't hardly hide them in the regular pick-up trash. Why not dump them down the road in the woods when nobody's looking?*



*Assuming none are missing from the Anthony's yard.

[My Gal Sal]

My money is on a random trash dump. What do you do with a leftover paver or two or three? Can't hardly hide them in the regular pick-up trash. Why not dump them down the road in the woods when nobody's looking?*



*Assuming none are missing from the Anthony's yard.

True, I was assuming some were missing (as per a previous post). However, if you are a pack rat and a person with limited means (Anthony's), I would put the extra ones in the shed. Then if one or more have to be replaced you have extra. FYI... I am a pack rat and like extras. :biggrin:

[apothecary]

My money is on a random trash dump. What do you do with a leftover paver or two or three? Can't hardly hide them in the regular pick-up trash. Why not dump them down the road in the woods when nobody's looking?*



*Assuming none are missing from the Anthony's yard.
Thats exactly what I think happened.A good place to dump yard waste

[seeing_eye]

Hi Seeing, while I don't understand your response, I truly LOVE your signature line. I believe in that also. I have two of my own (kitty cats).:wub:

Thanks, I'm glad you like my sig (I'm passionate about it).

I meant that no one took a paver or stone from the Anthony's yard. At least, that's my opinion.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Well, I must say ... if it wasn't Casey, then it must have been someone else in her family. Who do you think? George or Cindy or Lee?

ETA: maybe Mallory?

Did the stones from the yard match the stone near the body?

[TaraCrazyHair]

I've been looking for the past hour. I know I have it here somewhere. YES, I think George originally said something about a paver being missing. Then one of the dects said finding one at the crimescene lead them back to the house. Well that and the Winnie the Pooh bedding. :sad:

Who would take a stone and why?
:confused:

[desmom]

What does George pouring cement have to do with Caylee?

I am a bit confused ... still catching up

I scrolled through rather quickly and I apologize if this has been answered...

Way back, there were reports by the local media stating the neighbors said the Anthonys poured new concrete over the July 4th weekend.

This is where it gets foggy... A couple of weeks or so later, the report was this was false. A lot of the links from back then no longer work, but a Google search came back with Lenny said the July 4th concrete pour was not true or LE said it was not true...take your pick.

In George's State deposition August 5, 2009, on page 203 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310228/detail.html George said he "poured a slab. There's 27 bags of cement or concrete back there. I did it all by myself."

Hope this helps answer your question...and of course..

jmo

[denjet]

Valhall over at The Hinky Meter has done it again ...

Chemical Analysis of the Crystal Light Bottle

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=600&cpage=1#comment-477

"It appears the Crystal Light bottle was a spit cup for Tony’s roommate when he was dipping his Copenhagen."

Thanks for all her work!

[TaraCrazyHair]

Here a link to the paver discussion on a news forum---goes into why a paver may have been used and ultimately found where the remains were found.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread427451/pg1

I will post other links as I find them.

A stone missing would make sense if the body was placed in water

Otherwise it makes not one iota of sense

[TaraCrazyHair]

Valhall over at The Hinky Meter has done it again ...

Chemical Analysis of the Crystal Light Bottle

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=600&cpage=1#comment-477

"It appears the Crystal Light bottle was a spit cup for Tony’s roommate when he was dipping his Copenhagen."

Thanks for all her work!

So that is where the brown liquid came from?

[TaraCrazyHair]

Maybe to weigh down the toddlers body where it was thrown like trash.

No need to weigh down a body on land

[SC7501]

I don't know where the reference to a stone is coming from so this may be totally off the wall, but could it be a gem stone instead of a regular rock? -- I'm thinking about the ring Cindy asked KC about during that jail visit.

[Postergeist]

True, I was assuming some were missing (as per a previous post). However, if you are a pack rat and a person with limited means (Anthony's), I would put the extra ones in the shed. Then if one or more have to be replaced you have extra. FYI... I am a pack rat and like extras. :biggrin:

LOL, too cute, we must be related MGSal.

I could see a perp wanting to get rid of a paver if it was used in a commission of a crime, or someone wanting to remove it because it was broken, but from what I can recall last yr. pavers seemed to be a big part of what the 'psychic' said to 'look for' and what DC said he saw, etc.

imo

[TaraCrazyHair]

Yeah Tara, there very well could be. The body was found in an area that was COVERED by water for days during and after one of the hurricanes that year. That paver was found near that body for a reason.


Even if that were the case, Casey would not be that smart

MOO

[Spots]

I scrolled through rather quickly and I apologize if this has been answered...

Way back, there were reports by the local media stating the neighbors said the Anthonys poured new concrete over the July 4th weekend.

This is where it gets foggy... A couple of weeks or so later, the report was this was false. A lot of the links from back then no longer work, but a Google search came back with Lenny said the July 4th concrete pour was not true or LE said it was not true...take your pick.

In George's State deposition August 5, 2009, on page 203 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310228/detail.html George said he "poured a slab. There's 27 bags of cement or concrete back there. I did it all by myself."

Hope this helps answer your question...and of course..

jmo

I call "Baloney."

Sent you a PM.

[marinewife5]

No need to weigh down a body on land

unless you know it's an area that is flooded regularly (like if you used to hang out there) and you're in the middle of hurricane season.

jmo

[My Gal Sal]

No need to weigh down a body on land

Tara....did you not know that this property was flooded with water very soon after the body was dumped. Do you not think Casey knew it would flood? I think she knew she had to weigh it down. (sorry to be so graphic).:huh:

[Spots]

Yeah Tara, there very well could be. The body was found in an area that was COVERED by water for days during and after one of the hurricanes that year. That paver was found near that body for a reason.

Body dumped June 16 - June 27.
Hurricane August 20, give or take.

Not used to weigh down the body on dry land.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Body dumped June 16 - June 27.
Hurricane August 20, give or take.

Not used to weigh down the body on dry land.

I stand corrected

But i still feel Casey would not have been that smart?

Could be wrong

[desmom]

I call "Baloney."

Sent you a PM.

Ditto. Thanks. I agree. George does like to streeeeetch the truth at times...imo

[desmom]

I stand corrected

But i still feel Casey would not have been that smart?

Could be wrong

IMO, Casey did not care. She functions under a Outta-Sight-Outta-Mind mentality.

Caylee dead, dump her body. Party On!

Car smells, dump the car. Party On!

jmo

[TaraCrazyHair]

Body dumped June 16 - June 27.
Hurricane August 20, give or take.

Not used to weigh down the body on dry land.

Wait --- the waters came after the body dump?

That makes no sense

I hate coming here when tired -sorry

But how would casey know a hurricane was coming a month or two later?

I had the impression she wrapped the body and tossed it on land where she hoped the elements would take care of it . .. (sorry ... hard to type that)

[TaraCrazyHair]

IMO, Casey did not care. She functions under a Outta-Sight-Outta-Mind mentality.

Caylee dead, dump her body. Party On!

Car smells, dump the car. Party On!

jmo


Despite what we think of her ... I do believe she loved her daughter

Heart sticker ....

She may have done something stupid but not out of hate

Selfishness? Maybe but not hate

[My Gal Sal]

Wait --- the waters came after the body dump?

That makes no sense

I hate coming here when tired -sorry

But how would casey know a hurricane was coming a month or two later?

I had the impression she wrapped the body and tossed it on land where she hoped the elements would take care of it . .. (sorry ... hard to type that)

Florida has Tropical Storms and Hurricanes all of the time . Every year there are hurricanes and storms...Not hard to imagine water in that area.

ETA: I don't even live there and I know that.... I imagine Casey had a pretty good idea about what was going to happen..

[SC7501]

Despite what we think of her ... I do believe she loved her daughter

Heart sticker ....

She may have done something stupid but not out of hate

Selfishness? Maybe but not hate

You're kidding, right?

[TaraCrazyHair]

Florida has Tropical Storms and Hurricanes all of the time . Every year there are hurricanes and storms...Not hard to imagine water in that area.

I dont know .. that requires thinking and knowledge

Doesn't fit her in my opinion

[Dtviewer3]

So that is where the brown liquid came from?

This is the brown liquid in the crystal light container from the trash bag found in Caseys car.
NOT from the dump site.

[Dtviewer3]

Florida has Tropical Storms and Hurricanes all of the time . Every year there are hurricanes and storms...Not hard to imagine water in that area.

ETA: I don't even live there and I know that.... I imagine Casey had a pretty good idea about what was going to happen..

Not in Orlando. (I live pretty near Orlando)

Trust me, there was no way Casey knew a month later there would be a hurricane coming through there.

[TaraCrazyHair]

You're kidding, right?

No I am not

But i am one of the few at this point that feel she covered up an accident badly ... and she had help

I also feel i am wrong but it helps me sleep at night

Whatever it takes, right?

(shrug)

But it is how I feel ...

[TaraCrazyHair]

This is the brown liquid in the crystal light container from the trash bag found in Caseys car.
NOT from the dump site.

I was referring to the trunk

[Dtviewer3]

Despite what we think of her ... I do believe she loved her daughter

Heart sticker ....

She may have done something stupid but not out of hate

Selfishness? Maybe but not hate

Theres no doubt in my mind what she did to Caylee was completely done out of hate.
Hate towards Cindy, and hate towards Caylee.

With Caylee gone she could live 'the good life', and she did right up until Cindy came looking for and found her.

[marinewife5]

Wait --- the waters came after the body dump?

That makes no sense

I hate coming here when tired -sorry

But how would casey know a hurricane was coming a month or two later?

I had the impression she wrapped the body and tossed it on land where she hoped the elements would take care of it . .. (sorry ... hard to type that)


when you live for several years in an area frequented by hurricanes, tropical storms, and the like, you learn quickly where it floods every time....that area was a hangout for casey, so it's logical she knew there would be a storm and that area would flood.

jmo

[Dtviewer3]

I was referring to the trunk

I figured you were.
But I also figured if someone didnt make that clear the board would be going crazy tommorrow with talk of 'Tony's roomates spit found at dump site'.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Theres no doubt in my mind what she did to Caylee was completely done out of hate.
Hate towards Cindy, and hate towards Caylee.

With Caylee gone she could live 'the good life', and she did right up until Cindy came looking for and found her.

I am not so sure

besides ... I think Cindy hated Casey more than Casey hated Cindy

If that makes sense

[SC7501]

No I am not

But i am one of the few at this point that feel she covered up an accident badly ... and she had help

I also feel i am wrong but it helps me sleep at night

Whatever it takes, right?

(shrug)

But it is how I feel ...

Okay, I'm tempted to say a lot more, but realizing the importance of a good night's sleep I'll let it go. (insert tongue biting icon)

[Motomom]

Well, I must say ... if it wasn't Casey, then it must have been someone else in her family. Who do you think? George or Cindy or Lee?

ETA: maybe Mallory?

I keep thinking back to when the jailhouse tapes were released. There was one when Cindy asked if anyone had been in the house, or had a key.. She kept kind of hinting for Casey to say Yes, which of course she talked about someone having a key. They knew then IMO that whenever little Caylee's body was found, they'd find evidence from the house. IMO she was setting it up then, or thought she was anyway.. setting up to blame yet another person.

I use to get C and G the benefit of doubt, I use to think no way could they have known or intentionally covered up if say they had found her.. now I believe that they did..

[My Gal Sal]

Not in Orlando. (I live pretty near Orlando)

Trust me, there was no way Casey knew a month later there would be a hurricane coming through there.

Don't kid me... I was there in June...and there was a tropical storm ( big rain) so severe that I was able to wash my hair outside during the storm. It was fun for me... but lots of rain.

[marinewife5]

I am not so sure

besides ... I think Cindy hated Casey more than Casey hated Cindy

If that makes sense

imo, casey hated cindy, cindy was apathetic towards casey.

jmo

[BettyC]

Theres no doubt in my mind what she did to Caylee was completely done out of hate.
Hate towards Cindy, and hate towards Caylee.

With Caylee gone she could live 'the good life', and she did right up until Cindy came looking for and found her.

I agree with you Dt.

"All anyone cares about is finding Caylee."

"Wow, all that money for a reward to find Caylee, that would pay for my bond."

Where's the love?

[Motomom]

A stone missing would make sense if the body was placed in water

Otherwise it makes not one iota of sense

If one was missing.. I don't think Casey had any idea where she was going to throw her daughter out for trash. She may have thought water at some point and taken a big stone?

[TaraCrazyHair]

Okay, I'm tempted to say a lot more, but realizing the importance of a good night's sleep I'll let it go. (insert tongue biting icon)


LOL

Thanks for that (:

I read here way past bedtime and I am not always on the same wave length obviously

I just feel there is so much more to the story and am waiting on the trial


I just do not think she killed her daughter to "have fun"

Too many things do not add up in my mind

What a discombobulated case!

Night

[Dtviewer3]

I am not so sure

besides ... I think Cindy hated Casey more than Casey hated Cindy

If that makes sense

Guess we see this way different because I dont think Cindy hated casey at all. I think she had, and has unconditional love for Casey. And everything she has ever done, like covering and making excuses for Casey, were to try to win Caseys love.
And I believe Casey knew that and used it to her advantage.

I also believe Cindy loved Caylee, and thats more reason why Casey resented Caylee. She was a pawn Casey used against Cindy.

[SC7501]

I agree with you Dt.

"All anyone cares about is finding Caylee."

"Wow, all that money for a reward to find Caylee, that would pay for my bond."

Where's the love?

You don't think she loved the little snot head at all?

[TaraCrazyHair]

imo, casey hated cindy, cindy was apathetic towards casey.

jmo



I see the opposite

Mother/Daughter relationships can be volatile but the daughter usually wants the love so much more sometimes

[Dtviewer3]

You don't think she loved the little snot head at all?

Maybe she loved her, but she resented everything about what Caylee did to the life she wanted, IMO.

[summer]

Despite what we think of her ... I do believe she loved her daughter

Heart sticker ....

She may have done something stupid but not out of hate

Selfishness? Maybe but not hate

Tara I'm curious what leads you to this conclusion. What makes you think Casey loved Caylee? I'm really interested in how you formed this impression.

[summer]

You don't think she loved the little snot head at all?

I don't. I know mothers are supposed to love their children but in this case I see no indication of that.

[Spots]

IMO, Casey did not care. She functions under a Outta-Sight-Outta-Mind mentality.

Caylee dead, dump her body. Party On!

Car smells, dump the car. Party On!

jmo

:lol: That's going to be my new mantra: Party on!!

[marinewife5]

I see the opposite

Mother/Daughter relationships can be volatile but the daughter usually wants the love so much more sometimes

i believe casey was "taught" to hate cindy. when a little girls love isn't returned and it dawns on her that she's a prop for the perfect family image, that desire to have that love returned turns to hate. cindy wasn't interested in casey's love, she was interested in casey's obedience to the cause. but that's just my observation on the cindy/casey dynamic.

jmo

[Pruddennce]

brought over...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Elyssa
No doubt about that. TonE should have thought that was odd. Surely he and KC had a few bucks between them to get gas. They were not that far away from a gas station.

-----------------------------------------------------------------

Casey told him she would take care of it later....waved him off, IOW, smoozing him about how busy he was with school......and he didnt insist, after all this is the SECOND time he is involved with her and her car and running out of gas......

didnt he find it odd the first time when she was stealing fuel from her parents shed? lol

however, he then states in his interview that while he was away he asked her about the car and she said her dad was taking care of it, taking to a mechanic or dealership....

handwritten page 1015
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0923/17540075.pdf

who had Caylee the nite of the 13th? Casey spent the nite with Tony after the hiphop event at the club. did Cindy ever talk about having Caylee that nite?


IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

[Motomom]

I don't. I know mothers are supposed to love their children but in this case I see no indication of that.

Some mothers never get that instant bond with their child that other mothers reportedly have either. They love them, because they know they are suppose to. I don't think Casey is capable of love. Cindy, yes. I do believe she loved Caylee, sadly she loved Casey more IMO.

[Dtviewer3]

LOL

Thanks for that (:

I read here way past bedtime and I am not always on the same wave length obviously

I just feel there is so much more to the story and am waiting on the trial


I just do not think she killed her daughter to "have fun"

Too many things do not add up in my mind

What a discombobulated case!

Night

Again, I dont agree.
I think this is a very simple case. Ignore all the attempts by the peripheral people to cloud the issue and just look at the facts.

Very simple.

[summer]

About the stones at the crime scene - I think they (or it) were left as markers so the body could be found again. Maybe Casey was planning on going back to do a better burial job (I don't think she planned to move the body, just hide it better). And then of course it was useful so Dominic could later find the body through a marker. He didn't find the body but he was close.

I think that area was so dense with foliage even the person who placed the body would have trouble finding it again. It very well may be that Casey Anthony had never been to that particular spot before. It's not the same place she buried her pets with Kio. I think it was taken from the home and placed there intentionally.

IIRC there was more than one stone. I vaguely remember there were two.

[SC7501]

Maybe she loved her, but she resented everything about what Caylee did to the life she wanted, IMO.

It's hard for me to believe she loved her at all considering the way she acted while after she "went missing". If you wanted to celebrate someone's death, I don't know how you could go about it any better than she did.

[marinewife5]

brought over...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Elyssa
No doubt about that. TonE should have thought that was odd. Surely he and KC had a few bucks between them to get gas. They were not that far away from a gas station.

-----------------------------------------------------------------

Casey told him she would take care of it later....waved him off, IOW, smoozing him about how busy he was with school......and he didnt insist, after all this is the SECOND time he is involved with her and her car and running out of gas......

didnt he find it odd the first time when she was stealing fuel from her parents shed? lol

however, he then states in his interview that while he was away he asked her about the car and she said her dad was taking care of it, taking to a mechanic or dealership....

handwritten page 1015
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0923/17540075.pdf

who had Caylee the nite of the 13th? Casey spent the nite with Tony after the hiphop event at the club. did Cindy ever talk about having Caylee that nite?


IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

bbm....imo, that spoke volumes about tony's intentions with casey.

[summer]

Some mothers never get that instant bond with their child that other mothers reportedly have either. They love them, because they know they are suppose to. I don't think Casey is capable of love. Cindy, yes. I do believe she loved Caylee, sadly she loved Casey more IMO.

ITA. I have seen no indications that Casey loved Caylee. Except for some kind of projection we put onto mothers and daughters in general I'd like to know what the reason is for someone to make that statement in this case. I just don't see it.

[SC7501]

Some mothers never get that instant bond with their child that other mothers reportedly have either. They love them, because they know they are suppose to. I don't think Casey is capable of love. Cindy, yes. I do believe she loved Caylee, sadly she loved Casey more IMO.

I don't think Cindy loved Casey more. I think Cindy loved Caylee way more than Casey and if she could have chosen between them would unhesitatingly have chosen Caylee. -- With Caylee gone, she's siding with Casey because the only other option as she sees it is nothing. IMO

[summer]

bbm....imo, that spoke volumes about tony's intentions with casey.

Second that. Tony knew Casey for all of 6 weeks? Pfft.

[AlohaRainbow]

Don't kid me... I was there in June...and there was a tropical storm ( big rain) so severe that I was able to wash my hair outside during the storm. It was fun for me... but lots of rain.
lots of rain starting in june 2008
http://www.cityoforlando.net/public_works/stormwater/rain/rainfall.htm
January (4.21")
February (2.13")
March (0.50")
April (2.84")
May (1.58")
June (7.95")
July (9.14")
August (12.98")
September (4.09")

[Pruddennce]

I keep thinking back to when the jailhouse tapes were released. There was one when Cindy asked if anyone had been in the house, or had a key.. She kept kind of hinting for Casey to say Yes, which of course she talked about someone having a key. They knew then IMO that whenever little Caylee's body was found, they'd find evidence from the house. IMO she was setting it up then, or thought she was anyway.. setting up to blame yet another person.

I use to get C and G the benefit of doubt, I use to think no way could they have known or intentionally covered up if say they had found her.. now I believe that they did..

yes, Cindy was prompting her to say someone had a key....however, I revisted Cindy's first interview with LE (yes, Im exhausted) and she was extremely pompous and arrogant when speaking of Jesse....she was setting HIM up as the perp....trying to.....stated she hadnt seen him at the house in blah blah time, BUT, if she wasnt there, she didnt know if he was at the house.....

unbelievable the extent these pepole went to....to blame blame blame anyone else but Casey.....even accusing LE of not looking for Caylee and 'complaining' that LE was moving too slow...Yuri put it to her...did the math for her TWICE...once when Yuri confronted her about her press statement: she told the media the car wasnt picked up for 3 days...(it was picked up in less than 24 hours).....

....then Cindy continues to say its HER PERSPECTIVE....what??????????? cant she tell time either?

second time: claiming LE had the case for a few weeks and NOTHING.....Yuri said its 6 and a half weeks later.....of course Cindy doesnt want to 'add in the time' that Casey withheld reporting Caylee 'missing'....

these people made attempts to compromise the investigation, deliberately lied and are still lying.

I still believe they will be in for a shock, if not from LE after this trial (or regarding GA----->prior to trial......but hopefully the lawsuits will be slammed against them after trial for defamation....to actually accuse SEVERAL people of the crime of murder or being somehow involved, is well, unspeakable.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

[summer]

I don't think Cindy loved Casey more. I think Cindy loved Caylee way more than Casey and if she could have chosen between them would unhesitatingly have chosen Caylee. -- With Caylee gone, she's siding with Casey because the only other option as she sees it is nothing. IMO

I can't get over the feeling that Cindy's ferociousness has so much more to do with protecting HERSELF than protecting Casey. I don't think she murdered Caylee but there's something she's trying desperately to hide.

If there was love between them I think she would be visiting. And if Casey is the one not to allow her mother in I think Cindy would be crying over that in every *cameo* she does. I think she'd be wailing up a storm.

But silence. Like people are supposed to relate to this loving mother-daughter who haven't seen each other in, what, over a year? A daughter who has a death-penalty sentence hanging over her head and no contact with her loving family? There's something seriously wrong there and I don't think it's all about Baez.

[marinewife5]

I don't think Cindy loved Casey more. I think Cindy loved Caylee way more than Casey and if she could have chosen between them would unhesitatingly have chosen Caylee. -- With Caylee gone, she's siding with Casey because the only other option as she sees it is nothing. IMO

i think that cindy is as incapable of sincere love as casey is. i think casey learned it from cindy. pawns....that's what casey and caylee were to cindy...casey wasn't as cute anymore and didn't not draw as much attention for cindy as caylee did. casey has surely heard her mother's exaggerations of her and lee's accomplishments....how would any of us feel when our own mother lies to others about who we are and what we've accomplished to make it sound more impressive? i know i would feel insufficient.

i may be proven wrong on that someday, but i'm not holding my breath.

jmo

[Pruddennce]

bbm....imo, that spoke volumes about tony's intentions with casey.

hey marine, yes, NO FUTURE PLANS. in fact, he was going to be moving out at some point and she was NOT included in that move.

which brings me to her working on Will Waters.....she was working alot of people during this period...sleeping with Ricardo the 9th, partying with Tony on the 13th, endless conversations with Will on the phone while tony was away, spending the entire day with him prior to picking tony up......

Mark Hawkins.....was in contact with him ALOT during this period.....

IMO, Casey was going to grab on to the first offer......however, IMO was hoping Mark was going to solve living arrangements....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[marinewife5]

hey marine, yes, NO FUTURE PLANS. in fact, he was going to be moving out at some point and she was NOT included in that move.

which brings me to her working on Will Waters.....she was working alot of people during this period...sleeping with Ricardo the 9th, partying with Tony on the 13th, endless conversations with Will on the phone while tony was away, spending the entire day with him prior to picking tony up......

Mark Hawkins.....was in contact with him ALOT during this period.....

IMO, Casey was going to grab on to the first offer......however, IMO was hoping Mark was going to solve living arrangements....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

if she were to contact him, he would have told her that he was in school on base and was not permitted to have a "roommate" while staying there. i wish we had his interview....

jmo since there is no link.

[djmsmom]

i think that cindy is as incapable of sincere love as casey is. i think casey learned it from cindy. pawns....that's what casey and caylee were to cindy...casey wasn't as cute anymore and didn't not draw as much attention for cindy as caylee did. casey has surely heard her mother's exaggerations of her and lee's accomplishments....how would any of us feel when our own mother lies to others about who we are and what we've accomplished to make it sound more impressive? i know i would feel insufficient.

i may be proven wrong on that someday, but i'm not holding my breath.

jmo

That's a very good point MW that I hadn't thought of before. Casey herself was a huge liar, but still listening to Cindy lie to make up for her being lazy and a theif would have had to be more humiliating.

[Pruddennce]

I can't get over the feeling that Cindy's ferociousness has so much more to do with protecting HERSELF than protecting Casey. I don't think she murdered Caylee but there's something she's trying desperately to hide.

If there was love between them I think she would be visiting. And if Casey is the one not to allow her mother in I think Cindy would be crying over that in every *cameo* she does. I think she'd be wailing up a storm.

But silence. Like people are supposed to relate to this loving mother-daughter who haven't seen each other in, what, over a year? A daughter who has a death-penalty sentence hanging over her head and no contact with her loving family? There's something seriously wrong there and I don't think it's all about Baez.

great post.......

Cindy stated her feelings: she didnt care where Casey was, all she cared about was 'finding Caylee"<----first interview with LE....tells Yuri that.

wasnt finding Casey the key to seeing Caylee?

she doesnt make any sense when she attempts to portray herself as having one goal......the goal was for her to 'compel Casey' to bring her home...that didnt happen......

its interesting when Yuri presents her with Casey's lies, sharing the investigation :), Cindy begins to whine: "IM A GRIEVING GRANDMOTHER"....

her voice....its not panic....its a FORCED WHINE.....its not horror, its an act......she isnt crying....

here is what she said: IVE LOST MY GRANDDAUGHTER.

LOST.

she doesnt say, my granddaughter has been kidnapped.

cindy and casey are psychopaths.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.......*

[Pruddennce]

thank you Pru.
Was that the night KC said Cindy told her to bring Caylee home? I may be confusing that night with another night. I'll try to find that info somewhere. :thumbup:

hi E....I might be confused, but IIRC, the 13th is the day she was supposed to go with Amy to Jacksonville for her car. she lied and said dad was in the hospital.

Tony states that nite was the first nite she went to fusian and she stayed overnite.

for some reason, Cindy's interview with LE doesnt touch on that date other than mentioning the lie about GA.

I believe it was sometime in May, when she was with Ricardo, is when Cindy called. she was only with Tony a very short time, after Ricardo...AND she slept with Ricardo on the 9th. Caylee was there. but I dont recall if that was the nite Cindy called.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

[Spots]

i think that cindy is as incapable of sincere love as casey is. i think casey learned it from cindy. pawns....that's what casey and caylee were to cindy...casey wasn't as cute anymore and didn't not draw as much attention for cindy as caylee did. casey has surely heard her mother's exaggerations of her and lee's accomplishments....how would any of us feel when our own mother lies to others about who we are and what we've accomplished to make it sound more impressive? i know i would feel insufficient.

i may be proven wrong on that someday, but i'm not holding my breath.

jmo

My ex-sibling thought nothing of it. Mom enabled, he bought into it, no problem.

I can't imagine Casey sticking up for the truth when Cindy's version of the "truth" made her look better.

[summer]

great post.......

Cindy stated her feelings: she didnt care where Casey was, all she cared about was 'finding Caylee"<----first interview with LE....tells Yuri that.

wasnt finding Casey the key to seeing Caylee?

she doesnt make any sense when she attempts to portray herself as having one goal......the goal was for her to 'compel Casey' to bring her home...that didnt happen......

its interesting when Yuri presents her with Casey's lies, sharing the investigation :), Cindy begins to whine: "IM A GRIEVING GRANDMOTHER"....

her voice....its not panic....its a FORCED WHINE.....its not horror, its an act......she isnt crying....

here is what she said: IVE LOST MY GRANDDAUGHTER.

LOST.

she doesnt say, my granddaughter has been kidnapped.

cindy and casey are psychopaths.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.......*

Thanks Pru. I'm with you on this one all the way. I think Cindy is so transparent - all of her actions and responses are wrong for the situation, completely inappropriate to the circumstances, (the whole family is just wrong) it just seems so clear. And yet people are still being taken in by her. Crime writers, etc. have expressed pity, like they can't believe a person like Cindy exists. Why not? Why no objectivity here? Why the bending over backwards to force a round object into a square hole.

I don't think Casey loved Caylee and I don't think Cindy loves anybody. The whole clan is sick. Every last one of them.

I don't understand why more interviewers don't directly ask Cindy why she's not visiting her daughter in jail. And confront her on the ludicrousness of her pat answer: "Because we don't want to be taped". How absurd.

[marinewife5]

My ex-sibling thought nothing of it. Mom enabled, he bought into it, no problem.

I can't imagine Casey sticking up for the truth when Cindy's version of the "truth" made her look better.

but i don't believe she thought that at an early age. i think it was a learned response. and i doubt cindy just suddenly started that line of lying.

jmo

[Spots]

but i don't believe she thought that at an early age. i think it was a learned response. and i doubt cindy just suddenly started that line of lying.

jmo

I think she learned quite early on that Cindy would cover her a$$ for anything she did. Hence the reports that Casey would be yelling at Cindy and Cindy would be whining after her.

[marinewife5]

I think she learned quite early on that Cindy would cover her a$$ for anything she did. Hence the reports that Casey would be yelling at Cindy and Cindy would be whining after her.

ITA...at some point cindy had to deal with the monster she created.

jmo

[charmin 66]

If one was missing.. I don't think Casey had any idea where she was going to throw her daughter out for trash. She may have thought water at some point and taken a big stone?

Maybe she used the stone as a marker, so she could come back later and go right to the spot.

[marinewife5]

Maybe she used the stone as a marker, so she could come back later and go right to the spot.

maybe it was her sick idea of a tombstone...one last insult

jmo

[Motomom]

yes, Cindy was prompting her to say someone had a key....however, I revisted Cindy's first interview with LE (yes, Im exhausted) and she was extremely pompous and arrogant when speaking of Jesse....she was setting HIM up as the perp....trying to.....stated she hadnt seen him at the house in blah blah time, BUT, if she wasnt there, she didnt know if he was at the house.....

unbelievable the extent these pepole went to....to blame blame blame anyone else but Casey.....even accusing LE of not looking for Caylee and 'complaining' that LE was moving too slow...Yuri put it to her...did the math for her TWICE...once when Yuri confronted her about her press statement: she told the media the car wasnt picked up for 3 days...(it was picked up in less than 24 hours).....

....then Cindy continues to say its HER PERSPECTIVE....what??????????? cant she tell time either?

second time: claiming LE had the case for a few weeks and NOTHING.....Yuri said its 6 and a half weeks later.....of course Cindy doesnt want to 'add in the time' that Casey withheld reporting Caylee 'missing'....

these people made attempts to compromise the investigation, deliberately lied and are still lying.

I still believe they will be in for a shock, if not from LE after this trial (or regarding GA----->prior to trial......but hopefully the lawsuits will be slammed against them after trial for defamation....to actually accuse SEVERAL people of the crime of murder or being somehow involved, is well, unspeakable.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

I always love your posts, you have always been right on IMO.

Do you think that they knew Caylee was dead before her remains were found? I mean knew as in outright KNEW?

[charmin 66]

About the stones at the crime scene - I think they (or it) were left as markers so the body could be found again. Maybe Casey was planning on going back to do a better burial job (I don't think she planned to move the body, just hide it better). And then of course it was useful so Dominic could later find the body through a marker. He didn't find the body but he was close.

I think that area was so dense with foliage even the person who placed the body would have trouble finding it again. It very well may be that Casey Anthony had never been to that particular spot before. It's not the same place she buried her pets with Kio. I think it was taken from the home and placed there intentionally.

IIRC there was more than one stone. I vaguely remember there were two.

Oops, my thought too. I think you're right.

[summer]

Oops, my thought too. I think you're right.

Happens here all the time! I'm always coming up with ideas after 10 people have already posted them. Welcome to the club! :wub:

[Motomom]

thank you Pru.
Was that the night KC said Cindy told her to bring Caylee home? I may be confusing that night with another night. I'll try to find that info somewhere. :thumbup:

I have never been clear on exactly where Caylee slept that week before the 15th. DID Cindy tell her to bring Caylee home, or was that what Casey had told tony?

[AnnieKins]

Again, I dont agree.
I think this is a very simple case. Ignore all the attempts by the peripheral people to cloud the issue and just look at the facts.

Very simple.

I think you're a very wise person, Dt.

[charmin 66]

Happens here all the time! I'm always coming up with ideas after 10 people have already posted them. Welcome to the club! :wub:

LOL, I never know if I should read forward or backward after a break!

[djmsmom]

ITA...at some point cindy had to deal with the monster she created.

jmo

I think Cindy lied and covers for Casey, but also never lets her forget what she did. In her letter on my space to Casey she states "when she came home pregnant I told her it would be ok". Which is not true as we all no she lied and lied untill up to Caylees birth. Also why bring that up when all she wanted was for her to come home with the baby?

I also think that Casey won't see C and G is because they know she killed Caylee, without a doubt. If she feels shame at all it would be with her parents. Everytime they lie it's to hide some evidence they no can be traced to Casey.

[Addy]

lots of rain starting in june 2008
http://www.cityoforlando.net/public_works/stormwater/rain/rainfall.htm
January (4.21")
February (2.13")
March (0.50")
April (2.84")
May (1.58")
June (7.95")
July (9.14")
August (12.98")
September (4.09")

Maybe the ground was just squishy?

[Motomom]

My ex-sibling thought nothing of it. Mom enabled, he bought into it, no problem.

I can't imagine Casey sticking up for the truth when Cindy's version of the "truth" made her look better.

Yep.. I agree and Casey was living in her own fantasy world anyway. Maybe she learned it from Cindy.. Like mother like daughter I guess. I wonder what age that started with them, when Cindy started making up the good life with Casey.

[Motomom]

I think she learned quite early on that Cindy would cover her a$$ for anything she did. Hence the reports that Casey would be yelling at Cindy and Cindy would be whining after her.

I find that a bit odd too. I tend to think George took up for Casey, and Cindy would take up for Lee, but that doesn't make sense with what we see now.

[marinewife5]

I think Cindy lied and covers for Casey, but also never lets her forget what she did. In her letter on my space to Casey she states "when she came home pregnant I told her it would be ok". Which is not true as we all no she lied and lied untill up to Caylees birth. Also why bring that up when all she wanted was for her to come home with the baby?

I also think that Casey won't see C and G is because they know she killed Caylee, without a doubt. If she feels shame at all it would be with her parents. Everytime they lie it's to hide some evidence they no can be traced to Casey.


how silly for cindy to write this letter to casey, but word it for the general public.

jmo

[Motomom]

Maybe she used the stone as a marker, so she could come back later and go right to the spot.

Could be.. or she could have taken it back later too, maybe after she realized the area was flooded? Or are the dates wrong for that?

[Addy]

how silly for cindy to write this letter to casey, but word it for the general public.

jmoI think Cindy already knew Caylee was dead when she wrote that myspace. jmo

[LilGirl]

The old thread is close to 1k posts. Please continue here.

Remember, iggy is your friend. Skip and scroll. Don't reply and engage.

Wow. I really got left behind... That'll teach me to not look at the posting times. I've been reading on the old thread and posting to Annikins & Lavinya, and all of y'all are way over here!
Now it's my bedtime.
Night all....

[SC7501]

I think Cindy already knew Caylee was dead when she wrote that myspace. jmo

I don't think she knew until that day she showed up at that press conference with Michelle Blaine looking half dead, the one where she was hanging on to George and barely said a word.

[Postergeist]

I don't think she knew until that day she showed up at that press conference with Michelle Blaine looking half dead, the one where she was hanging on to George and barely said a word.

well something sure hit the fan on that day because she was so disconnected from reality it seemed (last name of Michelle is Bart) so I do wonder if something was confirmed/confessed/admitted to or if she had her own required rock solid proof (perhaps a photo, a video, something taken from the area that she recognized as being of Caylee's).

Then just pick up from where she left off before- denial, pointing fingers elsewhere, releasing 'tips' of live sightings, etc.

imo

[Addy]

I don't think she knew until that day she showed up at that press conference with Michelle Blaine looking half dead, the one where she was hanging on to George and barely said a word.She did look pretty bad that day, but I think it was probably drugs and not grief that was showing.

[KTBarTheDoor]

I think Cindy already knew Caylee was dead when she wrote that myspace. jmo

iTA!! IMO cindy knew long before July 3rd she went into cover mode and was hoping that the car would be stolen so then they could blame it on who ever stole the car.

[Addy]

iTA!! IMO cindy knew long before July 3rd she went into cover mode and was hoping that the car would be stolen so then they could blame it on who ever stole the car.Not sure what they wanted to happen with the car......(it was out of gas -- how would a car thief drive away)? But I do agree, Cindy knew very early on. She didn't waste any time filing papers to trademark/copyright Caylee's name.

[aproudmom]

From the last thread, about George, mixing and pouring {27} bags of cement on his own. I seen it mentioned that MAYBE he did it illegal, without a permit. If that is the case, doing the job on the 4th of July weekend would be to his advantage. Code enforcement and county vehicles aren't prowling the streets. IMO

:ohmy:27 bags that is alot wow

[aproudmom]

Maybe the ground was just squishy?

That was the problem with TES they did not want to search and perhaps ruin any evidence because of the rain IIRC they lost one 4-wheeler back were her remains were located and Tim had called the search off because of safety and ruining evidence if there was any. not sure just what day or weekend it was.

[Jeepers]

Good morning,

At this point Lee was really trying to find Caylee and find out what Casey was really doing and where she was staying.

I brought this over from yesterday afternoon. There are 4 tapes and they do answer some of our questions and probably result in asking more questions. This is a general overview of what is in tape 2

http://www.wftv.com/video/19106026/index.html
Tape 2
Lee explaining how the dates got mixed up from the 9th to the 15th
Lee talking about trying to piece all the guys Jessie, Ricardo and Tone
when Casey was with each one of them
Talking about Casey's text msg. to Amy about running out of gas
Tone talking about the 13th when him casey and Caylee went to the mall and cheesecake factory
Tone said Casey started staying reg with him after he picked her up from Amscot
Lee tells Tone about Jessie not being right
Lee tells Tone about Ricardo about his drug charges
Lee says Geoge saw Caylee on the 16th
Lee talking about the gas cans and George
Tone said Casey left early the 27th a.m.

This is Tape 3 along with an outline of what is discussed
http://www.wftv.com/video/19106469/index.html

This is the link Audio & video of Lee and Tone
Tone seemed liked he was kicking himself about not walking to trunk when the car at Amscot.
Lee talking about the phone call when Casey wanted Tone #
Tone said Casey was sticking to her guns with her lies




Interesting listening to Lee.

[Jeepers]

http://www.wftv.com/video/19106773/index.html


Tape 4 Lee is talking about Jessie and that Jessie loved Caylee more than Casey
Talking about the phones being bugged

[Darcy]

Good morning all, at least it is here in the UK.
Does any remember the conversation between Lee and Casey, where he asks 'is this like the last time?' I have never seen any explanation regarding that question. I wonder if Casey had ever 'punished' Cindy before by taking Caylee away for a day or two. Cindy may not have been alarmed at first if Casey was in the habit of using Caylee to gain the upper hand with Cindy. Since the Anthony's have closed ranks, I doubt we will ever know the reality and truth surrounding what Caylee's short life was like. So very sad.

[Jeepers]

Tape 1
http://www.wftv.com/video/19105515/index.html

talking about jail tapes being released
Le told Lee about the videos being released.Lee did not know.
talking about the media and being chased by media.
Tone talking about media hounding him and chasing him

Lee talking about 31 days and wanted to tell LE about receipts and checks
Talking about Baez not telling Casey anything.
Lee talking about it is not Casey's nature
Lee talking about LE building case against Casey and talking homicide
Talking about tips
How they are arguing with LE about tips coming in.
Lee tells parents to go LE with tips. It appears Lee is trying to keep Cindy and George straight.
Lee talking about Casey's laptop on the night he went to TonE's
4 checks belong to Amy one check Lee does not know who it belongs to
written to Winn Dixie amount $92.00
talking about Jessie and if Tone had met him.
Lee is suspect of Jessie and explains how Casey and Jessie always come back together .

[Jeepers]

Good morning all, at least it is here in the UK.
Does any remember the conversation between Lee and Casey, where he asks 'is this like the last time?' I have never seen any explanation regarding that question. I wonder if Casey had ever 'punished' Cindy before by taking Caylee away for a day or two. Cindy may not have been alarmed at first if Casey was in the habit of using Caylee to gain the upper hand with Cindy. Since the Anthony's have closed ranks, I doubt we will ever know the reality and truth surrounding what Caylee's short life was like. So very sad.

Good morning, I remember him asking that and I remember that Casey did not respond to his question.

[adair]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/111109-anthony-deposition
DEPOSITIONS Thursday Nov. 12, 2009



Good Morning Fellow Posters....

IMO I would think that LE should have deposed Mallory a long long time ago..

I am wondering what the laws are regard the privacy that DC claims that he has regarding his relationship with g&c and kc??? Who was the other investigator that worked with DC?


TIA

[Darcy]

Good morning, I remember him asking that and I remember that Casey did not respond to his question.




Thanks Jeepers, I couldn't remember if she replied or not. After the initial shock of Caylee being missing, I find it difficult to believe anything that any of the Anthony's say. They immediately went into gaurded mode and progressed to downright lies.

[adair]

If one was missing.. I don't think Casey had any idea where she was going to throw her daughter out for trash. She may have thought water at some point and taken a big stone?

Isn't there paving stones near where Caylee body was found? TIA

[LilGirl]

I seriously doubt that George would even pick up an 80 lb bag. Do they make smaller than a 40-pound bag? Shucks, how many trips would it take to haul that many bags/lbs to the Anthony home?

I hardly imagine that George did a "professional" job with the concrete, as he made absolutely no mention of forming or other things that would be necessary. IMO, what George did was to coverup, or to keep Cindy from knowing something.

in his depo, he did mention about forming it up. i will go find it if you want me to? maybe someone else remembers?

[desmom]

Isn't there paving stones near where Caylee body was found? TIA

I have no idea. I am lost about the posts re stones and Caylee's body.

I know Dominic Casey was looking for paving stones when he searched on Suburban, but he told Holly Bristow he searched 150-200 feet down the road from where Caylee was found.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZRTi3AVEaU

jmo

[Sun]

in his depo, he did mention about forming it up. i will go find it if you want me to? maybe someone else remembers?

Yes you are right, George used the word "forming" however what he described sure doesn't sound like the "forming" that I'm familiar with when pouring a concrete slab.

[desmom]

Is Mallory's depo today for the civil case or the criminal case? I can't imagine LE has not already interviewed Mallory, yet her interview has never been released in the doc dumps.

And Dominic's depo in the criminal case has been pushed back to December, correct?

TIA

[Sun]

Is Mallory's depo today for the civil case or the criminal case? I can't imagine LE has not already interviewed Mallory, yet her interview has never been released in the doc dumps.

And Dominic's depo in the criminal case has been pushed back to December, correct?

TIA

Yes, WFTV indicated that DCasey's depo was rescheduled for December.

It does puzzle me as to why we have never seen a LE interview of Mallory. But there are also a few other interviews that I've never seen yet either. Mark Hawkins and Deborah Polisano are two that come to mind.

[desmom]

Yes, WFTV indicated that DCasey's depo was rescheduled for December.

It does puzzle me as to why we have never seen a LE interview of Mallory. But there are also a few other interviews that I've never seen yet either. Mark Hawkins and Deborah Polisano are two that come to mind.

Maybe the State is sitting on them to protect them from the wrath of ..... well you know.

These are good examples of we have not seen everything LE has gathered during this investigation. I am curious if there are anymore bombshells in the docs we have not seen.

jmo

[powerball]

:lol::lol: Sorry but I bet Mallory wishes she had another photo out there because every 20 min when Wftv talk about her depo today we are treated with the full body pic of her laying on the lounge chair.

Ok here is my question...is Mallory going with no attorney Lees old attorney or BC.. any guesses...

fyi is this the right post I see we are on two today

[Sun]

Maybe the State is sitting on them to protect them from the wrath of ..... well you know.

These are good examples of we have not seen everything LE has gathered during this investigation. I am curious if there are anymore bombshells in the docs we have not seen.

jmo

I'm starting to go over the State Depo of George, with a focus mostly on the questions that were asked (rather than the answers that George gave). Hoping this may give me an insight to how the State may lay out their case before a jury.

[adair]

Yesterday, I was listening to ga interview with the FBI.....he talks about when him and c were getting back together, i dont think he was living at the house at this time.....But he talks about how him and c get back to c's house and kc and jg are there, in kc's room both laying on the bed fully clothed with caylee between them, watching a movie.....and both him and ca explode and tell jg that this isnt allowed. At that point cin says she will "handle" it. The A (imo) were threatened by jg...and i wouldn't be surprised at all if they played a role in ending jg & kc plans to get married. jmo. George talks about how controlling jg was....I think that jg was just calling kc out on her lies.....again....jmo.

That is one of the weirdest things....kc comes home preggers, tries to hide the fact for as long as she can.....doesn't know who the father is..or if she does she ain't telling anyone...which i find weird, for the simple fact that there would be $ to made thru support.

jmo

[desmom]

if she were to contact him, he would have told her that he was in school on base and was not permitted to have a "roommate" while staying there. i wish we had his interview....

jmo since there is no link.

Maybe she got the idea of moving in with Mark Hawkins from watching "Army Wives".

I would like to see Mark's interview also. Does Mark know what it was Casey had to tell him? The big news she had already shared with Cindy and Lee?

jmo

[desmom]

I'm starting to go over the State Depo of George, with a focus mostly on the questions that were asked (rather than the answers that George gave). Hoping this may give me an insight to how the State may lay out their case before a jury.

Good idea and I wish you luck.

I did notice in Cindy's State depo, the questions seemed to linger for some time on the things on the shelves in the garage longer than they did in George's state depo.

I will have to go back and re-read that portion of Cindy's depo, but I feel the State determined the round laundry bag found with the remains is like the one the Anthonys had at one time.

jmo

[LilGirl]

A stone missing would make sense if the body was placed in water

Otherwise it makes not one iota of sense

I have no idea if a paver was missing or not, or if what LE found and inventoried as a stone was a paver or what it was. But I could see Casey taking a paver from the yard to 'mark' where she left the body, sort of like a tombstone, so she could find the non-'grave' again. But if you think about it, nothing that has happened in this case 'makes one iota of sense', so all we can do is speculate.

[cassidy]

:lol::lol: Sorry but I bet Mallory wishes she had another photo out there because every 20 min when Wftv talk about her depo today we are treated with the full body pic of her laying on the lounge chair.

Ok here is my question...is Mallory going with no attorney Lees old attorney or BC.. any guesses...

fyi is this the right post I see we are on two today


Mallory has appeared to be quite camera shy throughout this whole thing. Bet she isn't happy with that photo repeating on the evening news.

[powerball]

Good idea and I wish you luck.

I did notice in Cindy's State depo, the questions seemed to linger for some time on the things on the shelves in the garage longer than they did in George's state depo.
I will have to go back and re-read that portion of Cindy's depo, but I feel the State determined the round laundry bag found with the remains is like the one the Anthonys had at one time.

jmo

did you notice that only Cindy was asked about the buckets that are stacked on the side of the garage and NOT george.

[Sun]

Good idea and I wish you luck.

I did notice in Cindy's State depo, the questions seemed to linger for some time on the things on the shelves in the garage longer than they did in George's state depo.

I will have to go back and re-read that portion of Cindy's depo, but I feel the State determined the round laundry bag found with the remains is like the one the Anthonys had at one time.

jmo

Yes, the State sure did nail Cindy down on that item. I'm not sure that she actually realizes that the cylinder-style bag that she was describing, was the one found with Caylee's remains (at least not when she gave her depo). Why else would she have gone into such detail?

When George was questioned on the same topic, did he even acknowledge that same cylinder-style bag would have been in the garage?

[LilGirl]

Despite what we think of her ... I do believe she loved her daughter

Heart sticker ....

She may have done something stupid but not out of hate

Selfishness? Maybe but not hate

I'm sorry...but a heart sticker on a piece of duct tape, wrapped around the mouth and head of a two year old defenseless little girl whose body was dumped in the woods as trash does not speak of love to me.:crying:

[Sun]

:lol::lol: Sorry but I bet Mallory wishes she had another photo out there because every 20 min when Wftv talk about her depo today we are treated with the full body pic of her laying on the lounge chair.

Ok here is my question...is Mallory going with no attorney Lees old attorney or BC.. any guesses...

fyi is this the right post I see we are on two today

Thanks so much for posting info that you see on your local TV stations! I would guess that an attorney to represent Mallory will be at the depo, just have no idea yet who that might be.

[Darcy]

I have PDF blindness from going through the documents again. Item #16, Q100 (H60493) was another long piece of Henkel tape 8.5 inches by 2in. that was found at the remains site and was examined for prints but know no results where printed in the doc. There was also Henkel tape on the metal brackets in the shed. I wonder if they found more evidence in the Anthony household, where George had used the tape to make repairs? I was also looking for the results from the 'Flock air bed' I thought I had read that the only DNA was from a female, presumably Casey and a mail contributor. I know the plug had male DNA on it but the identity not shown.
Are the photos or illustrations that are blacked out or partially blacked out to prevent the public from viewing? Does that mean the defense has objected to the results or feel they are too prejudicial to reveal at this stage?
Sorry for all the questions, the Sunshine Law is new to me and I would appreciate some clarification, thanks :blushing:

[Sun]

did you notice that only Cindy was asked about the buckets that are stacked on the side of the garage and NOT george.

Was Cindy able to answer the questions about the buckets, in the same detail as she was able to answer questions about the items where the laundry bags were stored? Was the State looking to see if Cindy was being consistent with what she knew in regards to items in the garage? (I've got to get a thicker tin foil hat before I tackle Cindy's Depo for a second time)

[powerball]

Was Cindy able to answer the questions about the buckets, in the same detail as she was able to answer questions about the items where the laundry bags were stored? Was the State looking to see if Cindy was being consistent with what she knew in regards to items in the garage? (I've got to get a thicker tin foil hat before I tackle Cindy's Depo for a second time)

she seemed taken back about the entire garage questioning that is why I think that there is more there. IIRC (since I am out of foil hats) that she paused during most of that question. I have been bringing this up on "another" board and most people just think that I am crazy ( ok crazier) That garage had something in it JMO...

[Ladygator]

she seemed taken back about the entire garage questioning that is why I think that there is more there. IIRC (since I am out of foil hats) that she paused during most of that question. I have been bringing this up on "another" board and most people just think that I am crazy ( ok crazier) That garage had something in it JMO...

Morning!

I will have to read back through the depos to understand what you all are talking about. But I do recall George being questioned about what was on top of the freezer. He was saying whatever was on top of it was outta place. That it shouldn't have been there, things were not organized like they should be, etc. IIRC

His answers seemed as though he was trying to say that 'someone' moved things around. LE or the kidnapper who had house keys, lmao.

[desmom]

Yes, the State sure did nail Cindy down on that item. I'm not sure that she actually realizes that the cylinder-style bag that she was describing, was the one found with Caylee's remains (at least not when she gave her depo). Why else would she have gone into such detail?

When George was questioned on the same topic, did he even acknowledge that same cylinder-style bag would have been in the garage?

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310228/detail.html

On page 158, the State asked George if he remembered the ball crawl thing the neighbor gave them. George said he remembered it and they bought it at the neighbor's garage sale. He also remembered Cindy bought extra balls for it.

Q Do you remember what they were kept in?

A As far as I know, like, a -- like a netting bag, something that has, like, a tie on it or something like that. I mean, it was something we could see because we didn't want the balls to get any kind of fungus or anything like that kind of stuff on it. so --

Q Do you remember any time Cindy buying and using to store balls for that object a cylindrical container that was like this, cloth on the outside and rubberized on the inside, but it was a cylinder, not a square? Does that sound familiar to you?

A I don't remember that at all. No.

In Cindy's State depo on pages 345-346 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html she identified the rectangular laundry bag, item #2213-exhibit 29, as the bag used to hold stuffed animals in Caylee's room. She also identified the round or cylindrical laundry bag, item #2516-exhibit 29, as the bag that held the balls. Cindy said when the balls were put in the shed, the round laundry bag was put in a trash bag and stored on a shelf in the garage.

Exhibit #29 is on page 432.

jmo

[Ladygator]

Mallory has appeared to be quite camera shy throughout this whole thing. Bet she isn't happy with that photo repeating on the evening news.

PFFFT! Did she really think she could go on a cruise with the Anthony's and not be photographed? :laugh:

[ellegna]

Yes, WFTV indicated that DCasey's depo was rescheduled for December.

It does puzzle me as to why we have never seen a LE interview of Mallory. But there are also a few other interviews that I've never seen yet either. Mark Hawkins and Deborah Polisano are two that come to mind.

Just a guess but it's possible they contain some very incriminating information and the State does not want to release too early.
These statements may effect/taint the future jury pool. We wouldn't want JB screaming foul and start filing more motions. :rolleyes:

Good morning all :seeya:

[powerball]

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310228/detail.html

On page 158, the State asked George if he remembered the ball crawl thing the neighbor gave them. George said he remembered it and they bought it at the neighbor's garage sale. He also remembered Cindy bought extra balls for it.

Q Do you remember what they were kept in?

A As far as I know, like, a -- like a netting bag, something that has, like, a tie on it or something like that. I mean, it was something we could see because we didn't want the balls to get any kind of fungus or anything like that kind of stuff on it. so --

Q Do you remember any time Cindy buying and using to store balls for that object a cylindrical container that was like this, cloth on the outside and rubberized on the inside, but it was a cylinder, not a square? Does that sound familiar to you?

A I don't remember that at all. No.

In Cindy's State depo on pages 345-346 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html she identified the rectangular laundry bag, item #2213-exhibit 29, as the bag used to hold stuffed animals in Caylee's room. She also identified the round or cylindrical laundry bag, item #2516-exhibit 29, as the bag that held the balls. Cindy said when the balls were put in the shed, the round laundry bag was put in a trash bag and stored on a shelf in the garage.

Exhibit #29 is on page 432.

jmo

there should be another part where they talk about the decorations or gift wrap..crude I cant remember:blushing:

[powerball]

PFFFT! Did she really think she could go on a cruise with the Anthony's and not be photographed? :laugh:

I am not even sure a tankini would have helped her. But everytime they talk about her today up goes the pic. I wouldn't wish that on my worse enemy. JMO

[Sun]

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310228/detail.html

On page 158, the State asked George if he remembered the ball crawl thing the neighbor gave them. George said he remembered it and they bought it at the neighbor's garage sale. He also remembered Cindy bought extra balls for it.

Q Do you remember what they were kept in?

A As far as I know, like, a -- like a netting bag, something that has, like, a tie on it or something like that. I mean, it was something we could see because we didn't want the balls to get any kind of fungus or anything like that kind of stuff on it. so --

Q Do you remember any time Cindy buying and using to store balls for that object a cylindrical container that was like this, cloth on the outside and rubberized on the inside, but it was a cylinder, not a square? Does that sound familiar to you?

A I don't remember that at all. No.

In Cindy's State depo on pages 345-346 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html she identified the rectangular laundry bag, item #2213-exhibit 29, as the bag used to hold stuffed animals in Caylee's room. She also identified the round or cylindrical laundry bag, item #2516-exhibit 29, as the bag that held the balls. Cindy said when the balls were put in the shed, the round laundry bag was put in a trash bag and stored on a shelf in the garage.

Exhibit #29 is on page 432.

jmo

So, once again George didn't remember. Or saying no, he didn't remember that at all. (this seems to be a habit of George's, especially when asked about something that he had direct contact/knowledge of)

[sydney]

PFFFT! Did she really think she could go on a cruise with the Anthony's and not be photographed? :laugh:

well, apparently so, cause if she had thought she would be photographed, perhaps her wardrobe choices would have been more, let's say, tasteful or conservative? (hey ms! :tonguewag:)

[BettyC]

well, apparently so, cause if she had thought she would be photographed, perhaps her wardrobe choices would have been more, let's say, tasteful or conservative? (hey ms! :tonguewag:)

You took the words right out of my mouth.

[Scampi]

The stone was a paver, found at the crime scene where the body was found. When LE found that, they immediately went to the house and found that one of the pavers from the back yard was missing. NOW did I read that? YES. Do I remember which newspaper or doc? No, but I will see if I saved it on my computer.
Remember before the body was found one of the A's, either C or G said a paver was missing from the backyard.


I am so glad you recalled this. I would love to have confirmation of it, because if true imo this is very incriminating evidence.

[powerball]

I am so glad you recalled this. I would love to have confirmation of it, because if true imo this is very incriminating evidence.

Hey Scamp.. I am thinking there is a lot of incriminating evidence at that scene.

JMO of course

[desmom]

there should be another part where they talk about the decorations or gift wrap..crude I cant remember:blushing:

Cindy talked about decorations being stored on the garage shelves on page 335 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html

[desmom]

So, once again George didn't remember. Or saying no, he didn't remember that at all. (this seems to be a habit of George's, especially when asked about something that he had direct contact/knowledge of)

Poor George just cannot remember the darn script. :tonguewag:

I imagine Cindy told George it was his fault Casey was indicted by the GJ, so he tries real hard not to mess up again with his "I don't remember" answers. Yet, Cindy is the one that identified the round laundry bag in her state depo. Go figure.

jmo

[Dunlurken]

IIRC, LP was the one that brought up the pavers because I wondered what the heck he was talking about. I had never heard that term before. JMO.

Morning all.

[powerball]

Cindy talked about decorations being stored on the garage shelves on page 335 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html

Thank you Miss Des. that is the part I am talking about.. I dont recall that being asked to George and they seemed very interested as to what was in it. does anyone else think part is signifigant or do I just need to take some more meds. TYIA

[achristie]

I am so glad you recalled this. I would love to have confirmation of it, because if true imo this is very incriminating evidence.

Jumping around here. Are there any photos of Tony L.?

[desmom]

Lee Anthony's Girlfriend To Be Deposed Under Oath
http://www.wftv.com/news/21593666/detail.html
Prosecutors will question Mallory Park under oath Thursday morning......

Private Investigator Dominic Casey was set to be deposed on Thursday, but it's been pushed back until December 16.

[Dunlurken]

Poor George just cannot remember the darn script. :tonguewag:

I imagine Cindy told George it was his fault Casey was indicted by the GJ, so he tries real hard not to mess up again with his "I don't remember" answers. Yet, Cindy is the one that identified the round laundry bag in her state depo. Go figure.

jmo

Thank you for your post. It's an ah ha moment for me. Yesterday I said something about the Grand Jury and George's statements before them. Maybe I didn't word it correctly, but what you just said verifies what I said, he caused, or helped cause, the indictment.

Plus, this is a question I have. I thought the "bag" that matched the ones found in the laundry room/garage was square, not round. There were three square laundry bags with handles, made out of canvas. One was missing, but found at the same place of Caylee's disposition. JMO.

I've seen a picture somewhere.

[desmom]

Jumping around here. Are there any photos of Tony L.?

Lazzaro?

http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/Tony_Lazzaro_and_Casey.jpg

[desmom]

Thank you for your post. It's an ah ha moment for me. Yesterday I said something about the Grand Jury and George's statements before them. Maybe I didn't word it correctly, but what you just said verifies what I said, he caused, or helped cause, the indictment.

Plus, this is a question I have. I thought the "bag" that matched the ones found in the laundry room/garage was square, not round. There were three square laundry bags with handles, made out of canvas. One was missing, but found at the same place of Caylee's disposition. JMO.

I've seen a picture somewhere.


http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13635134#post13635134

[Softail]

Lee repeating C.M.A. at the vidgual has always bugged me. Does anyone think that was some sort of code to Casey?

[Dtviewer3]

Thank you for your post. It's an ah ha moment for me. Yesterday I said something about the Grand Jury and George's statements before them. Maybe I didn't word it correctly, but what you just said verifies what I said, he caused, or helped cause, the indictment.
Plus, this is a question I have. I thought the "bag" that matched the ones found in the laundry room/garage was square, not round. There were three square laundry bags with handles, made out of canvas. One was missing, but found at the same place of Caylee's disposition. JMO.

I've seen a picture somewhere.

Your post yesterday about George was fine.

Its just that we dont know if his Grand Jury testimony had anything to do with Casey being indicted.
He may have testified "I dont remember" on every question they asked!

[Dunlurken]

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13635134#post13635134

I can see how I got confused. Cindy discusses a rectangular bag and a round net bag. I would still like to see a picture of the rectangular canvas bag that was found close to Caylee's remains. IIRC, the meter reader guy (forgot his name, Roy Cronk?) said he saw the canvas bag. And one was missing from the three that come "as a package".

Thanks for the link.

[Dunlurken]

Your post yesterday about George was fine.

Its just that we dont know if his Grand Jury testimony had anything to do with Casey being indicted.
He may have testified "I dont remember" on every question they asked!
What testimony did we see? I remember watching him throw her under the bus on the witness stand. But can't for the life of me remember which testimony it was. I realize Grand Jury testimony is secret, no cameras, etc., but at some point he sure threw Casey under the bus. JMO. Guess it's irrelevant at this point.

It's one of those things that "bugs" you, if you know what I mean.

[desmom]

I can see how I got confused. Cindy discusses a rectangular bag and a round net bag. I would still like to see a picture of the rectangular canvas bag that was found close to Caylee's remains. IIRC, the meter reader guy (forgot his name, Roy Cronk?) said he saw the canvas bag. And one was missing from the three that come "as a package".

Thanks for the link.

A rectangular canvass bag found close to Caylee's remains?

Help me out here. I have either forgotten (quite possible) or I missed that.

TIA

[desmom]

What testimony did we see? I remember watching him throw her under the bus on the witness stand. But can't for the life of me remember which testimony it was. I realize Grand Jury testimony is secret, no cameras, etc., but at some point he sure threw Casey under the bus. JMO. Guess it's irrelevant at this point.

It's one of those things that "bugs" you, if you know what I mean.


I remember 2 occasions when George testified and it was aired.

Casey Anthony's Bond Set at $500,000
http://crime.about.com/od/current/qt/caylee_july22_b.htm

Autopsy Released Despite Anthonys' Efforts To Block
http://www.wftv.com/news/19802223/detail.html

[Scampi]

Hey Scamp.. I am thinking there is a lot of incriminating evidence at that scene.

JMO of course


I think so too, lots of stuff that leads right back to casa anthony.

Hiya Aggie, Lazzaro isn't anything to write home about, imo.

[Dunlurken]

A rectangular canvass bag found close to Caylee's remains?

Help me out here. I have either forgotten (quite possible) or I missed that.

TIA

I wish I knew where the picture is. It was put into evidence because I remember looking at that picture closely. Came in one of the document dumps. We discussed it ad nauseam and determined that due to the handles on the bag it was how Caylee was possibly removed from the home, if she did in fact die at home. This was back during the swimming pool, back yard, theory. JMO.

I can't help! So sorry. I know I saw it, and thought.... "okay, this is what Kronk saw the first time he was at the site". Remember at first he saw something "white". Went back later and that's when he touched it with his toe and the skull rolled out. Sorry for the graphics.

[hello its me]

I remember 2 occasions when George testified and it was aired.

Casey Anthony's Bond Set at $500,000
http://crime.about.com/od/current/qt/caylee_july22_b.htm

Autopsy Released Despite Anthonys' Efforts To Block
http://www.wftv.com/news/19802223/detail.html

When did he lie...er forget about Lenny and the whole Bond arrangement? Wasn't that later?

[Sun]

I remember 2 occasions when George testified and it was aired.

Casey Anthony's Bond Set at $500,000
http://crime.about.com/od/current/qt/caylee_july22_b.htm

Autopsy Released Despite Anthonys' Efforts To Block
http://www.wftv.com/news/19802223/detail.html

I remember one other occasion, but don't have a link. It was a court hearing, where Baez had filed a motion to keep LP's crew's interviews from being released or used (or something like that). I thought it very very odd that Baez would call George as a witness, in that instance.

[Dunlurken]

I remember 2 occasions when George testified and it was aired.

Casey Anthony's Bond Set at $500,000
http://crime.about.com/od/current/qt/caylee_july22_b.htm



This is the one. Thank you, thank you. Yes, Lee testified also. Whew!
I felt George's testimony really damaged Casey. JMO.

[cassidy]

What testimony did we see? I remember watching him throw her under the bus on the witness stand. But can't for the life of me remember which testimony it was. I realize Grand Jury testimony is secret, no cameras, etc., but at some point he sure threw Casey under the bus. JMO. Guess it's irrelevant at this point.

It's one of those things that "bugs" you, if you know what I mean.

Telling the truth isn't exactly the same as "throwing Casey under the bus". IMO

[Dtviewer3]

Telling the truth isn't exactly the same as "throwing Casey under the bus". IMO

To Cindy it is!! :biggrin:

[cassidy]

To Cindy it is!! :biggrin:

LOL well Ok, but it isn't for the rest of the world :)

[Sun]

I wish I knew where the picture is. It was put into evidence because I remember looking at that picture closely. Came in one of the document dumps. We discussed it ad nauseam and determined that due to the handles on the bag it was how Caylee was possibly removed from the home, if she did in fact die at home. This was back during the swimming pool, back yard, theory. JMO.

I can't help! So sorry. I know I saw it, and thought.... "okay, this is what Kronk saw the first time he was at the site". Remember at first he saw something "white". Went back later and that's when he touched it with his toe and the skull rolled out. Sorry for the graphics.

When you find that picture in the Discover, note the inventory number assigned to it. Items beginning with a "K" are "known" items, such as the rectangle Whitney canvas bag found inside a black trash bag on a shelf in the Anthony's garage. Items such as the cylinder-style canvas Whitney bag found with Caylee's remains is labeled with a "Q" inventory number (question?). In the discovery, this item is also pictured.

[Dunlurken]

Telling the truth isn't exactly the same as "throwing Casey under the bus". IMO

When the truth throws you under the bus, yes it is. JMO. :laugh:

[desmom]

I remember one other occasion, but don't have a link. It was a court hearing, where Baez had filed a motion to keep LP's crew's interviews from being released or used (or something like that). I thought it very very odd that Baez would call George as a witness, in that instance.

Thank you! :seeya:

George Anthony Testifies - August 21, 2009
http://www.wesh.com/news/20489546/detail.html

[Dtviewer3]

When you find that picture in the Discover, note the inventory number assigned to it. Items beginning with a "K" are "known" items, such as the rectangle Whitney canvas bag found inside a black trash bag on a shelf in the Anthony's garage. Items such as the cylinder-style canvas Whitney bag found with Caylee's remains is labeled with a "Q" inventory number (question?). In the discovery, this item is also pictured.


Very good point and it helps reading the docs to remember it.

An example:
Hair found in the trunk would be Q+evidence number.
Hair sample taken from Casey would be K+evidence number.

[Dunlurken]

When you find that picture in the Discover, note the inventory number assigned to it. Items beginning with a "K" are "known" items, such as the rectangle Whitney canvas bag found inside a black trash bag on a shelf in the Anthony's garage. Items such as the cylinder-style canvas Whitney bag found with Caylee's remains is labeled with a "Q" inventory number (question?). In the discovery, this item is also pictured.

Do you know where the picture is? I don't have a clue. It was sitting on a table..... that's all I remember. I thought Cindy said the cylinder bag was a net bag, and black, maybe it was white/tan. Let me go look at that link again. JMO.

[powerball]

To Cindy it is!! :biggrin:

but I believe it depends of what kind of truth Mis truth or half truth..those are ok it is just the truth that she has an issue with JMO

[pixiejoolz]

When the truth throws you under the bus, yes it is. JMO. :laugh:

The common definition for that phrase is to sacrifice someone vulnerable but not culpable. According to the Urban Dictionary, "One is thrown under the bus when they are made the scapegoat or blamed for something that wasn't their responsibility in the first place. A coverup for your mistake."

I guess Cindy would really have to believe that Casey is innocent to consider her being TUTB. jmo

[Dunlurken]

This is it!

"In Cindy's State depo on pages 345-346 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html she identified the rectangular laundry bag, item #2213-exhibit 29, as the bag used to hold stuffed animals in Caylee's room. She also identified the round or cylindrical laundry bag, item #2516-exhibit 29, as the bag that held the balls. Cindy said when the balls were put in the shed, the round laundry bag was put in a trash bag and stored on a shelf in the garage.

Exhibit #29 is on page 432."

Thanks desmom. Once again, I misread and assume it was a net bag. Who puts balls in a bag like that?

[LadyHam]

I think Mallory is so well steeped and firmly entrenched with the Anthonys that she'd do just about anything for them, but WHY? Those pavers are heavy things ---- what could be the purpose of removing one from the Anthony yard and lugging it to the swamp? I'm lost on that one, too.

Unless is was used as a marker so that whoever put it there would know where the body was placed if they ever wanted to go back to see if things had been disturbed or not. I think if the paver was placed there from the Anthony's yard, then the murderer placed it there so they would know where they placed the body.

[Dunlurken]

The common definition for that phrase is to sacrifice someone vulnerable but not culpable. According to the Urban Dictionary, "One is thrown under the bus when they are made the scapegoat or blamed for something that wasn't their responsibility in the first place. A coverup for your mistake."

I guess Cindy would really have to believe that Casey is innocent to consider her being TUTB. jmo
I won't use that phrase again. Excuse me.

[LadyHam]

Who would take a stone and why?
:confused:

Well, if Casey was the one that murdered Caylee, then maybe she took a paver from her parents yard to mark the place where Caylee's remains were for future reference? :shrug:

[Dunlurken]

A rectangular bag was found at the Anthonys with the same mfg tag as the round bag found with the remains.

jmo

That's the one I saw. Think we have cleared that one up. Thanks again.

[pixiejoolz]

I won't use that phrase again. Excuse me.

It wasn't meant as a criticism, for heaven's sake! It's such a common phrase that I was just curious to see what the actual definition was. Jeesh! :sad:

[Dunlurken]

It wasn't meant as a criticism, for heaven's sake! It's such a common phrase that I was just curious to see what the actual definition was. Jeesh! :sad:

No problem.

Here's a question I have. If Caylee was put in that canvas bag, would their be any decomp on it? Or would the elements have washed away all the DNA?

[LadyHam]

Wait --- the waters came after the body dump?

That makes no sense

I hate coming here when tired -sorry

But how would casey know a hurricane was coming a month or two later?

I had the impression she wrapped the body and tossed it on land where she hoped the elements would take care of it . .. (sorry ... hard to type that)

Bolding by me....

She couldn't know that, but she would know if that area regularly flooded every summer....