12/15 -- 1/3/10

[Oceanlove]

A&E has announced that The Jacksons: A Family Dynasty will premiere Sunday, December 13 with back-to-back one-hour episodes beginning at 9 p.m. ET/PT. According to the network’s press release, the reality series follows the lives of Michael Jackson’s brothers Jackie, Jermaine, Tito and Marlon “as they prepare for a Jackson Five reunion, while also coming to terms with Michael’s tragic loss.” Footage will include the brothers’ rehearsals for the 40th anniversary concert and the recording of vocals for a song from the Michael Jackson’s This Is It soundtrack.

Beginning December 20, the series will move to its regularly scheduled time slot of Sunday at 10 p.m. ET/PT.

:thumbsup: :beer::loveeyes:

http://news-briefs.ew.com/2009/11/06/the-jacksons-family-dynasty-premieres-dec-13/

[who_is_it]

Just another jump on Michael's money train imo... I wouldn't watch it.

[Firehead11]

Just another jump on Michael's money train imo... I wouldn't watch it.

Basically I believe that this was started prior to Michaels death but I do agree with the fact that I won't be watching it either. I have no interest in what the brothers are doing. Hopefully this will help get any child support paid.

[who_is_it]

Basically I believe that this was started prior to Michaels death but I do agree with the fact that I won't be watching it either. I have no interest in what the brothers are doing. Hopefully this will help get any child support paid.

I have no interest in them, either.

Yesterday someone posted Dr. Murray is like Jermaine (in reply to a message about child support). Now you mentioned child support. Jermaine... - didn't he pay child support?

[Firehead11]

i can't wait to see the show. As for jumping on Michael's money train that's hilarious.
People were always talking about how broke mj was and now all of a sudden his brothers want his money even though they have their own.

Oh well I'm sure the ratings won't suffer because of a few jealous people.
The Jackson brothers are talented musicians and dancers and have been for over 35 years.

Oceanlove your pm is turned off by the way.


Ok, I will bite. Jealous? You have the wrong person here. Please post a link to what the brothers have done to earn money on their own prior to Michael's death. Almost everyone that was around Michael is using his name to make $$$.

I don't believe there will be enough people watching the show to stay on the air for long. Look at how they are advertising it to draw people in.....

A&E has announced that The Jacksons: A Family Dynasty will premiere Sunday, December 13 with back-to-back one-hour episodes beginning at 9 p.m. ET/PT. According to the network’s press release, the reality series follows the lives of Michael Jackson’s brothers Jackie, Jermaine, Tito and Marlon “as they prepare for a Jackson Five reunion, while also coming to terms with Michael’s tragic loss.” Footage will include the brothers’ rehearsals for the 40th anniversary concert and the recording of vocals for a song from the Michael Jackson’s This Is It soundtrack.

They sure do highlight all that they have accomplished during their 35 years.

[LadyFuzz]

Ok, I will bite. Jealous? You have the wrong person here. Please post a link to what the brothers have done to earn money on their own prior to Michael's death. Almost everyone that was around Michael is using his name to make $$$.

I don't believe there will be enough people watching the show to stay on the air for long. Look at how they are advertising it to draw people in.....

A&E has announced that The Jacksons: A Family Dynasty will premiere Sunday, December 13 with back-to-back one-hour episodes beginning at 9 p.m. ET/PT. According to the network’s press release, the reality series follows the lives of Michael Jackson’s brothers Jackie, Jermaine, Tito and Marlon “as they prepare for a Jackson Five reunion, while also coming to terms with Michael’s tragic loss.” Footage will include the brothers’ rehearsals for the 40th anniversary concert and the recording of vocals for a song from the Michael Jackson’s This Is It soundtrack.

They sure do highlight all that they have accomplished during their 35 years.

I'm not interested in those money grubbing moochers either. Making money off Jackson's death is what they are attempting. They were never anything without Michael. Disgusting.

I hope Mr. Branca has already got a grip on a percentage of any profits made for the estate.

jmo

[Firehead11]

Oh well ..... I have to admit I will watch it and will also watch Janet's interview scheduled to air the 18th of this month. :shrug:

As far as making money off of MJ's death; this was actually in the works prior to MJ dying and of course changes had to be made - just for the record.

Keep in mind too that the only Jackson brother that is broke is Randy. TVN had a special about the Jackson family and you may want to watch it. Don't know if it is still being aired but I had posted the schedule when it was on

As for Jermaine -- he's married to a very rich woman since 2004 however she will not support his children so shame on Jermaine for that. JMO


But it isn't HIS money that he made that he is living on. I think that is the point. I can't watch the special since I do not get that channel. IMO, while Latoya has done a little she has always used her brother's name. So has Jermaine.

Did I enjoy the Jackson5? I certainly did. But I have to say it does disgust me what ceratin family members are doing since Michael died.

[Firehead11]

This is true. I agree about LaToya and Jermaine. The other brothers don't really talk very much in public and when they do it is only to defend MJ. I haven't heard Randy, Janet or Rebbie say anything. As far as my recollection goes --Randy was the closest to MJ out of the brothers although Jermaine likes to take credit for it. Randy actually worked for MJ and was on his payroll before and during the trial and then he was fired but don't know the reason. JMO


What it boils down to is that Joe, Jermaine and LaToya have flown all over the earth to get paid due to Michael's death. Michael's estate should only support his children and his mother. That is all until Katherine's death, when the 40% reverts back to the children. Since the time Michael was 11 and breaking off from The Jackson 5, I believe he has been supporting them all to some degree. Janet has certainly made it on her own. Thank The Lord.

I gets me mad when I think about Joe touting his own record label within a few days of Michael's death. Who cared at that time except him and his good buddy standing right next to him during that interview. Then to read that Joe stated something to the affect that Michael was worth more $$ dead than alive makes me sick to my stomach. Then he has the gall to want a darn allowance from Michael's children? Wow...

[tiptop]

Ok, I will bite. Jealous? You have the wrong person here. Please post a link to what the brothers have done to earn money on their own prior to Michael's death. Almost everyone that was around Michael is using his name to make $$$.

I don't believe there will be enough people watching the show to stay on the air for long. Look at how they are advertising it to draw people in.....

A&E has announced that The Jacksons: A Family Dynasty will premiere Sunday, December 13 with back-to-back one-hour episodes beginning at 9 p.m. ET/PT. According to the network’s press release, the reality series follows the lives of Michael Jackson’s brothers Jackie, Jermaine, Tito and Marlon “as they prepare for a Jackson Five reunion, while also coming to terms with Michael’s tragic loss.” Footage will include the brothers’ rehearsals for the 40th anniversary concert and the recording of vocals for a song from the Michael Jackson’s This Is It soundtrack.

They sure do highlight all that they have accomplished during their 35 years.

I remember hearing of this much earlier ---- the brothers recording vocals for inclusion on the This Is It soundtrack.

I envisioned them (the brothers) sitting around thinking of how they could prosper from all this. What a genius thought to record vocals to add in with something Michael already recorded. WOW. To me its the ultimate "SCREW YOU, its all about us now......"

I wonder about their payment from this. Anyone researched it? Will they get royalties forever? IMO they saw a huge monetary opportunity and ceased it.

[Firehead11]

I would imagine that they would get something from it all. During the film they show a small portion of the Jackson 5 so I do believe they will get some royalities unless there was a deal that Michael made before his death with his brothers. (Again this deal better be on paper)

[Cindylee]

I wonder if the funeral x 2 that were filmed will be a part of the "show"?

[Firehead11]

I wonder if the funeral x 2 that were filmed will be a part of the "show"?

That would be the one reason I would watch it.

[Lainey]

Who refused to read black literature? I have read all things Michael Jackson I could find with absolutely no thought about whether it was "black literature" or not. I love Michael but have a poor opinion of some of the Jacksons based on what I have seen and read. I don't get why a certain race based literature has anything to do with anything.

[Firehead11]

Since Michael has passed - I suppose his brothers and family are fair game to be insulted and disrespected. Forget the fact they are still grieving.

Most of you who spit dirt on this family know nothing about them.. I can tell from your uninformed posts.
You have no knowledge of how they live their lives, the sources of their income or their family unity.
You refuse to read any black literature which could possibly enlighten you, instead choosing to rely on gossip, tabloids and gab from the other media.
I guess hatred for one Jackson is just as good as another.

This is beyond pathetic, but carry on.

I would hope that you will drop this black literture, racial stuff. Do you personally know the Jackson family? Are you a member of this family?

And I will still stand by my opinion, that Michael is what made the Jackson 5.

And just a notice, I don't HATE anyone. I detest the actions of some. Big difference.

[Firehead11]

Actually, it isn't just Jermaine that has been out of line in the comments department. First it was his father promoting his own record label soon after Michael died. Then we have LaToya jumping on shows and doing interviews.

As for his other "friends". They jumped on that very same bandwagon, using Michael's name to further themselves.

It is sickening.

[who_is_it]

Actually, it isn't just Jermaine that has been out of line in the comments department. First it was his father promoting his own record label soon after Michael died. Then we have LaToya jumping on shows and doing interviews.

As for his other "friends". They jumped on that very same bandwagon, using Michael's name to further themselves.

It is sickening.

Imo the problem isn't only THAT they speak out but WHAT the speak out.

Some days ago Jermaine referred to a internet hoax that Jordan admitted he lied.
http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/26/jermaine-jackson-michael-jackson-molestation-suicide-jordan-chandler-evan/
Jordan NEVER spoke out... but there would be so many interesting facts to give about the extortions back then. To give WRONG information instead of FACTS just boosts the rumors.

I have problems with LaToya's publicity stunts from the beginning on. She just should spare us from her stupid, nonfactual theories and let the police investigate the matter imo.

[who_is_it]

@ SamSpade

Thanx for the information. I DID google for the white tapes but the results which I've found made no sense. Your link quoted the musical director Bearden. Sounds believable. Thanx.

[who_is_it]

with all due respect to Michael and the rest of that wonderful , beloved family. I have a few issues with Jermaine.
I am too through with him sice he accepted MJ's AMA awards and purposely named every Jackson family member except Randy.
He also said something about Allah knowing that the family are Christians.
Family does not do that to family.

I have been a fan and supporter of the Jacksons since the early 70's and have followed their every move.
Jermaine is out of line.

Imo Janet is the only family member not out on money. As far as I remember she once said in an interview that she "hates" to be always asked for her brother Michael. She wants to be seen as an individual who has her own musical career imo.

Michael had a few true friends / supporters imo which were Karin Faye (spelling?), Mesereau, McCulkin, Frank DiLeo, Liz Taylor and the crew he worked with: Travis Payne, Kenny Ortega, Randy Phillips. Specially Travis is so nice. He always reminds people of Michael's message.

[who_is_it]

What about Debbie Rowe? His closest friend of all. Close enough to give him two children and never talk about it or him in public. They were friends for 30 years. jmo

She, too, yes.

[who_is_it]

Was there a reason to start a new thread just to make this statement?

:shrug:

I replied on this one as I thought the other is no more. Maybe the moderator merges it. :shrug:

[Firehead11]

It will probably be merged but I agree a new thread should not have been started. Just another reason why the Mods would close it down and we sure shouldn't give them "extra" work or another reason to. :(

The thread starter has just 38 posts maybe Oceanlove just figured it was another topic in the whole scheme of things. :confused:

Mybad, maybe I should not have responded to the first post..... sorry

[Firehead11]

I would like to know what people thought of the show last night. I didn't watch it, it looked like there were 3 episodes shown last night and the first one was named the Brothers Mourn the loss of Michael or something to that affect. I may be assuming the wrong thing here.....

[nsm]

I missed it! have to catch it on rerun. Does anyone know what his mother thinks of this show? was she involved in it?

[HolyMoly]

Here's my thoughts on it:

I don't think the brothers will be very successful with their future tour. But I wish them luck, nonetheless. Seems to me they are getting pretty old for that stuff, and when they were practicing dance moves on last night's show, you can see where Michael really stood apart from them, even in his final days.

I walked away from it thinking that Joe in his effort to make his children successful, really passed up a lifelong opportunity for all his children, by not sending any of them to college. Seems to me that would have been a wise investment, and a good way to use some of the money they had in the early days. Hopefully, some of the children they have now, will be given the opportunity for well rounded success, with a college education. Its a little sad to see 4 grown and aging men, struggling to do the only thing they were ever taught to do.

imo...of course.

[Valkyrie08]

I had to get ready for a final exam but I did take the time to watch about half of the first episode. I have to say I actually liked it.

Maybe their reunion tour won't be much of a success, but I wish Tito, Jermaine, Marlon, and Jackie the best of luck. And I will continue to keep the Jackson family in my thoughts and prayers. Losing a family member is so hard.

[Firehead11]

Ok I guess I will ask straight out, did they manage to use any of the funeral of Michael in their series so far?

[HolyMoly]

I am bringing this over from the now closed thread, just because I think its interesting, and the link provides a lot of info.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Firehead11
No it wouldn't ruin their inhertience but when you consider that someone paid 25 grand a night for a private Las Vegas room for Michael's children (basketball, link posted up thread) these amounts add up real fast. If you want to get down to brass tacks, Michael's children are now supporting everyone in the Encino home. It is their 60 grand a month that are paying the bills. Katherine's 20 grand isn't enough, remember she filed for more $$$$.

Do you know what I mean?

Hell look at what they have charged against the estate already. The funeral was estimated to be what amount. I am not talking about the Memorial Service that the city wants major bucks for.
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I don't think thats exactly accurate. The children's portion of the estate is not being used to support the family. Katherine is beneficiary to 40 % of the estates value, which hasn't been determined or distributed. We don't know how the trust is written, as to how the assets will be distributed. If Katherines share is set up so that she receives the 40 percent outright, then whatever is left after taxes is hers to do with as she pleases, including supporting family members. Most likely its not set up that way, because of the tax implications, and then it is held in trust and distributed by the trustees. Either way, 40 percent of the estates value is significant, and not likely less than the allowance she currently receives. I don't think there is any possibility that the current allowance, or an increased allowance to support Joe, would exceed the value of her 40 percent share.

I found a tax blog which offers an in depth general analysis. Heres a portion of it:

A big deal has been made in the media that Michael Jackson put his mother in as a beneficiary but omitted his father. This is silly. Katherine and Joseph Jackson have been married for over 60 years. Joe Jackson does not technically have a right to his wife’s inheritance. However, in reality, they are a long time married couple who presumably share everything. Giving to his mother is not really leaving his father out in the cold.

In my previous post, I speculated that the published reports stating that Michael Jackson left 40% of his estate to his mother Katherine Jackson, 40% to his children and 20% to charities was not, could not be entirely accurate. Although I have not seen it the Michael Jackson Family Trust document, I am sure of the fact that instead of having the trustee distribute his assets to his mother and his children outright, that instead, the property was kept in trust. The three reasons I set forth were (1) the estate tax, (2) creditor protection, and (3) control.

In this post, I will discuss why anyone who has significant assets should leave their property to their relatives in trust, and the potential tax disaster that awaits them if they do not.

For the sake of simplicity, assume that Michael Jackson had a taxable estate, of two hundred million dollars ($200,000,000) and that he left half to his mother outright and half to be divided among his three children outright. I removed the charity to make the math more simple. See his example here:

http://www.sofloridaestateplanning.c...chael-jackson/

[Unperson1984]

I believe the Will states anything left of Katherine's 40% reverts to children when Katherine dies, that would indicate that her 40% is not an outright distribution. Legally that would mean Katherine's share is to be controlled and distributed as an allowance.

Moreover Joe is asking the Estate for money, not Katherine. If he was asking Katherine for the money his action would have been filed against her, not the Estate.

IMO

[Firehead11]

Plus it is 40% of the interest on the family trust fund, which reverts back to the children.

[Firehead11]

I am bringing this over from the now closed thread, just because I think its interesting, and the link provides a lot of info.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Firehead11
No it wouldn't ruin their inhertience but when you consider that someone paid 25 grand a night for a private Las Vegas room for Michael's children (basketball, link posted up thread) these amounts add up real fast. If you want to get down to brass tacks, Michael's children are now supporting everyone in the Encino home. It is their 60 grand a month that are paying the bills. Katherine's 20 grand isn't enough, remember she filed for more $$$$.

Do you know what I mean?

Hell look at what they have charged against the estate already. The funeral was estimated to be what amount. I am not talking about the Memorial Service that the city wants major bucks for.
__________________________________________________ _____

I don't think thats exactly accurate. The children's portion of the estate is not being used to support the family. Katherine is beneficiary to 40 % of the estates value, which hasn't been determined or distributed. We don't know how the trust is written, as to how the assets will be distributed. If Katherines share is set up so that she receives the 40 percent outright, then whatever is left after taxes is hers to do with as she pleases, including supporting family members. Most likely its not set up that way, because of the tax implications, and then it is held in trust and distributed by the trustees. Either way, 40 percent of the estates value is significant, and not likely less than the allowance she currently receives. I don't think there is any possibility that the current allowance, or an increased allowance to support Joe, would exceed the value of her 40 percent share.



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I really do not see any revelance to the link you posted to what is happening in the Jackson estate.

Jackson formed a Michael Jackson Family Trust Fund. From my understanding, the way the interest is to be divided is 40% Katherine, 40% Michael's children and 20% to children's charity.

I don't care what Katherine does with the money she gets, Michael left it to her. But when it is being reported that the Jackson kids are staying at a place that is 25,000 grand a night who is paying that tab? IIRC, Jermaine isn't paying support for his kids by the first wife, his new wife won't allow HER money to be spend on his children of a prior marriage? Is A&E shelling out that kind of money for the kids? If this bill is going to the estate, then Michael's money is paying for a lot more than what he allowed in his will. If you don't believe that it is Michael's money that is supporting the Encino home, who do you think is footing the bills? Are you trying to convince me that it takes 60 grand a month to support three children? I would love to see a complete accounting of what bills are being submitted to the executors. I bet that would make everyone ill.

[HolyMoly]

Actually the will does not specify that it would revert back to the trust. Maybe the trust does, but we have no way of knowing. Its true that Joe has filed his request against the estate, however Katherine is not objecting at this time.

In reviewing the will a few minutes ago, I was reminded that Michael was clear that he was making no provision for Debbie Rowe. There is no such declaration against his father.

I'm not sure who holds the title to the Hayvenhurst Estate, but if Katherine does, then Joe is entitled to half of it, as well as anything else that Katherine holds title to. Joe could resort to filing for divorce and force the sale of the home where Michael's kids currently reside.

I'm not defending Joe here, but I do think that if Katherine wishes to use her share of the estate to provide for her husband, and there being no instruction in the trust that would prevent it, she should be able to as long as it doesn't take from the other 60%. And I don't think it will.

imo...of course.

[HolyMoly]

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I really do not see any revelance to the link you posted to what is happening in the Jackson estate.

Jackson formed a Michael Jackson Family Trust Fund. From my understanding, the way the interest is to be divided is 40% Katherine, 40% Michael's children and 20% to children's charity.

I don't care what Katherine does with the money she gets, Michael left it to her. But when it is being reported that the Jackson kids are staying at a place that is 25,000 grand a night who is paying that tab? IIRC, Jermaine isn't paying support for his kids by the first wife, his new wife won't allow HER money to be spend on his children of a prior marriage? Is A&E shelling out that kind of money for the kids? If this bill is going to the estate, then Michael's money is paying for a lot more than what he allowed in his will. If you don't believe that it is Michael's money that is supporting the Encino home, who do you think is footing the bills? Are you trying to convince me that it takes 60 grand a month to support three children? I would love to see a complete accounting of what bills are being submitted to the executors. I bet that would make everyone ill.


I don't know why you don't see the relevance in the link I posted, since the entire page is dedicated to discussing the estate, from the perspective of a tax professional.

We do not know the details of the trust, or how the assets are to be distributed. Any opinion is pure speculation. I am aware that the estate maintains the Hayvenhurst home, but that isn't something new since MJ's death. Thats been the case long before Michael died, and Michael never made any demands that only certain family members should be allowed to live there, and neither should we. Joe claims that Michael historically provided for him through Katherine. Michael probably didn't make his Mom provide receipts to ensure that no funds were going to Joe. The executors have a fidicuary duty to manage the estate properly, and unless the court decides they have failed in their duties, I am going to believe that they are acting in accordance with Michael's final wishes.

imo...of course.

[HolyMoly]

Ok I guess I will ask straight out, did they manage to use any of the funeral of Michael in their series so far?

They told Larry King that the private service will remain private.

[Firehead11]

I don't know why you don't see the relevance in the link I posted, since the entire page is dedicated to discussing the estate, from the perspective of a tax professional.

We do not know the details of the trust, or how the assets are to be distributed. Any opinion is pure speculation. I am aware that the estate maintains the Hayvenhurst home, but that isn't something new since MJ's death. Thats been the case long before Michael died, and Michael never made any demands that only certain family members should be allowed to live there, and neither should we. Joe claims that Michael historically provided for him through Katherine. Michael probably didn't make his Mom provide receipts to ensure that no funds were going to Joe. The executors have a fidicuary duty to manage the estate properly, and unless the court decides they have failed in their duties, I am going to believe that they are acting in accordance with Michael's final wishes.

imo...of course.


The reason I don't see it is because Jackson's will left a percentage of the interest not the primary. For what was reported (you are correct, no one has seen the trust papers) Katherine's 40% reverts back to his children.

I sincerely doubt that Katherine holds the title but if IIRC, Janet had something to do with this also.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/images/07/01/michael.jackson.will.pdf

VI
Except as otherwise provided in this Will or in the Trust refeITedto in Article111 hereof, I have intentionally omitted to provide for my heirs. I have intentionally omitted to provide for my former wife, DEBORAH JEAN ROWE JACKSON.

I think that the bolded part would also apply to Joe Jackson. :confused:

[Xenam]

I believe the Will states anything left of Katherine's 40% reverts to children when Katherine dies, that would indicate that her 40% is not an outright distribution. Legally that would mean Katherine's share is to be controlled and distributed as an allowance.

Moreover Joe is asking the Estate for money, not Katherine. If he was asking Katherine for the money his action would have been filed against her, not the Estate.

IMO

This is how I understood it also. JMO

[HolyMoly]

The reason I don't see it is because Jackson's will left a percentage of the interest not the primary. For what was reported (you are correct, no one has seen the trust papers) Katherine's 40% reverts back to his children.

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Since no one who reported on it has seen the trust, the report is speculation. I don't see anything in the will about interest, or distribution of assets. The reporters have seen the same thing we have, and its simply not there.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0701091mjwill4.html

Michael signed the will in 2002. His Father and Mother are still married, and I believe resided in the family home during 2002. Michael provided for his Mother with the knowledge that his father would benefit by virtue of the marriage. Unless the trust specifically prohibits any of Katherine's share to be used to benefit Joe, I believe she has the right to spend or share her portion at least until her death. My understanding is that he left her 40 percent of the estate, as opposed to providing only living expenses.

Also.. the probate code section I posted yesterday seems to open the door for Joe to continue to receive support, as he did when Michael was alive.

In any case, the executors, as of now, have not objected to the request, and its not because they are impartial to Joe. Perhaps its because they know the specifics of the trust.

Again.. I am not rooting for Joe to get anything. I do believe he will be allowed to receive money from Katherine in the same manner as he did prior to Michael's death.

imo...of course.

[HolyMoly]

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Except as otherwise provided in this Will or in the Trust refeITedto in Article111 hereof, I have intentionally omitted to provide for my heirs. I have intentionally omitted to provide for my former wife, DEBORAH JEAN ROWE JACKSON.

I think that the bolded part would also apply to Joe Jackson. :confused:

We don't know what or who is provided for in the trust. If there was a strict provision that Katherine is not allowed to use her share to benefit her husband, I think there would have been an objection.

[Firehead11]

Since no one who reported on it has seen the trust, the report is speculation. I don't see anything in the will about interest, or distribution of assets. The reporters have seen the same thing we have, and its simply not there.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0701091mjwill4.html

Michael signed the will in 2002. His Father and Mother are still married, and I believe resided in the family home during 2002. Michael provided for his Mother with the knowledge that his father would benefit by virtue of the marriage. Unless the trust specifically prohibits any of Katherine's share to be used to benefit Joe, I believe she has the right to spend or share her portion at least until her death. My understanding is that he left her 40 percent of the estate, as opposed to providing only living expenses.

Also.. the probate code section I posted yesterday seems to open the door for Joe to continue to receive support, as he did when Michael was alive.

In any case, the executors, as of now, have not objected to the request, and its not because they are impartial to Joe. Perhaps its because they know the specifics of the trust.

Again.. I am not rooting for Joe to get anything. I do believe he will be allowed to receive money from Katherine in the same manner as he did prior to Michael's death.

imo...of course.


Like I have said, I don't care if Joe receives money from Katherine. If she wants to give him the entire 20+ grand a month... go for it. I do not believe that Joe is entitled to receive his own money from the estate.

And perhaps, since the money would be considered the children's money, then maybe the GAL will object to it?

[Firehead11]

Since no one who reported on it has seen the trust, the report is speculation. I don't see anything in the will about interest, or distribution of assets. The reporters have seen the same thing we have, and its simply not there.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0701091mjwill4.html

Michael signed the will in 2002. His Father and Mother are still married, and I believe resided in the family home during 2002. Michael provided for his Mother with the knowledge that his father would benefit by virtue of the marriage. Unless the trust specifically prohibits any of Katherine's share to be used to benefit Joe, I believe she has the right to spend or share her portion at least until her death. My understanding is that he left her 40 percent of the estate, as opposed to providing only living expenses.

Also.. the probate code section I posted yesterday seems to open the door for Joe to continue to receive support, as he did when Michael was alive.

In any case, the executors, as of now, have not objected to the request, and its not because they are impartial to Joe. Perhaps its because they know the specifics of the trust.

Again.. I am not rooting for Joe to get anything. I do believe he will be allowed to receive money from Katherine in the same manner as he did prior to Michael's death.

imo...of course.

In his will he states that all of his holdings will go into the Michael Jackson Family Trust.

IMO, Joe cannot prove that he received money directing from Michael. Hence he was getting it from Katherine. Why should the children's estate get lowered by 20 grand a month because Joe's kids do not support him?

[HolyMoly]

In his will he states that all of his holdings will go into the Michael Jackson Family Trust.

IMO, Joe cannot prove that he received money directing from Michael. Hence he was getting it from Katherine. Why should the children's estate get lowered by 20 grand a month because Joe's kids do not support him?


I think Katherines' 40 percent will cover any additional allowance she receives. I think there is enough assets to keep everyone happy without it having any impact of the children's portion of the estate. I don't think the executors or the court would allow the children to support Joe. However if Katherine wants to with her portion, she should be free to do so, unless there is some provision which disallows it.

I just don't see why anyone thinks this is coming out of the kids portion of the estate. The children, all three of them, share the same portion that Katherine has to herself. ie: Katherine's portion is 3 times the amount of each child.

[who_is_it]

I have zero interest in the Tiger Woods discussion but just saw a pic of his wife and one of their children.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/15/tiger-woods-wife-elin-nordegran-photo-daughter-no-wedding-ring/

I've always thought Michael's children are NOT his biological children... but this pic of the Wood child makes me think different. The child is the same type like Prince Jackson. Brown hair, brown eyes but comparatively bright skin.

[Cindylee]

Michael Jackson's Executors -- Pay Us Now!

Posted Dec 15th 2009 7:47PM by TMZ Staff

Michael Jackson's estate has not paid the Special Administrators a penny, but the day has now come -- at least according to new court docs filed by John Branca and John McClain.

The two men -- now officially the Executors of Michael Jackson's estate, are asking for 70% of the fees they have earned, pending court approval of the full amount.

The papers do not specify the amount Branca and McClain want. They do say that they want the statutory amount of executor fees for the first $25 million of the estate -- that fee comes to $188,000. But the estate is valued far in excess of $25 mil and the two Executors would be entitled to a portion of that as well. In addition, Branca and McClain also want fees "for their extraordinary services," though that amount is not specified.

According to the new documents, fees some of the law firms connected with the estate are asking for are huge. For example, the law firm of Greenberg Traurig wants $1,547,064.50. The firm of Hoffman, Sabban & Watenmaker wants $957,644. The firm of Kinsella, Weitzman, Iser, Kump & Aldisert wants $420,062.50.




Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0ZoXMjk0o

[HolyMoly]

Someone filed a petition on December 10th to have the will revoked. The court set the hearing for January.

I wonder what this is about?

Also.. I read that one of the nephews has been asked by Branca..et al, to assist in the distribution of estate assets.

[HolyMoly]

The Latest on Michael Jackson's Estate - Is Nephew Taj Jackson in Charge?

Monday November 30, 2009

Recently it has been reported that Taj Jackson, the 36-year old son of Tito Jackson and nephew of Michael, has been given a say in the administration of his uncle's estate. Rumor has it that the real reason why Katherine Jackson so suddenly dropped her objections to the appointment of John Branca and John McClain as permanent co-executors of her son's estate is because Branca and McClain have agreed to allow Taj to be the voice of Michael Jackson's three children, Michael Joseph "Prince" Jackson, Jr., Paris Katherine Michael Jackson, and Prince Michael "Blanket" Jackson II, with regard to future projects and business deals involving Jackson's estate.

This move actually makes sense since Katherine Jackson is not familiar with the music business and Taj Jackson, who was a member of the 1990's boy band 3T, currently works as a music producer and should therefore be quite familiar with the inner workings of music deals. However, the informal promotion of Taj to co-executor has apparently infuriated Michael's father, Joe Jackson, who plans to continue his challenge of the validity of his son's 2002 Last Will and Testament and the appointment of Branca and McClain.

http://wills.about.com/b/2009/11/30/the-latest-on-michael-jacksons-estate-is-nephew-taj-jackson-in-charge.htm

[Cindylee]

The Latest on Michael Jackson's Estate - Is Nephew Taj Jackson in Charge?

Monday November 30, 2009

Recently it has been reported that Taj Jackson, the 36-year old son of Tito Jackson and nephew of Michael, has been given a say in the administration of his uncle's estate. Rumor has it that the real reason why Katherine Jackson so suddenly dropped her objections to the appointment of John Branca and John McClain as permanent co-executors of her son's estate is because Branca and McClain have agreed to allow Taj to be the voice of Michael Jackson's three children, Michael Joseph "Prince" Jackson, Jr., Paris Katherine Michael Jackson, and Prince Michael "Blanket" Jackson II, with regard to future projects and business deals involving Jackson's estate.

This move actually makes sense since Katherine Jackson is not familiar with the music business and Taj Jackson, who was a member of the 1990's boy band 3T, currently works as a music producer and should therefore be quite familiar with the inner workings of music deals. However, the informal promotion of Taj to co-executor has apparently infuriated Michael's father, Joe Jackson, who plans to continue his challenge of the validity of his son's 2002 Last Will and Testament and the appointment of Branca and McClain.

http://wills.about.com/b/2009/11/30/the-latest-on-michael-jacksons-estate-is-nephew-taj-jackson-in-charge.htm

Joe needs to back off, or he just might find himself really out in the cold.

[RootBeer]

I think Marlon is the most attractive of the Jackson brothers.

I am now watching the show on A&E.

[Firehead11]

The Latest on Michael Jackson's Estate - Is Nephew Taj Jackson in Charge?

Monday November 30, 2009

Recently it has been reported that Taj Jackson, the 36-year old son of Tito Jackson and nephew of Michael, has been given a say in the administration of his uncle's estate. Rumor has it that the real reason why Katherine Jackson so suddenly dropped her objections to the appointment of John Branca and John McClain as permanent co-executors of her son's estate is because Branca and McClain have agreed to allow Taj to be the voice of Michael Jackson's three children, Michael Joseph "Prince" Jackson, Jr., Paris Katherine Michael Jackson, and Prince Michael "Blanket" Jackson II, with regard to future projects and business deals involving Jackson's estate.

This move actually makes sense since Katherine Jackson is not familiar with the music business and Taj Jackson, who was a member of the 1990's boy band 3T, currently works as a music producer and should therefore be quite familiar with the inner workings of music deals. However, the informal promotion of Taj to co-executor has apparently infuriated Michael's father, Joe Jackson, who plans to continue his challenge of the validity of his son's 2002 Last Will and Testament and the appointment of Branca and McClain.

http://wills.about.com/b/2009/11/30/the-latest-on-michael-jacksons-estate-is-nephew-taj-jackson-in-charge.htm

Oh my lord, I never saw this but to me, it does not make sense at all. I am beginning to believe that the court should assign their own executors to the estate. and kick ALL of them off the estate's payroll.

I thought there was a lawyer assigned to be the GAL. IMO, not one member of the family should have anything to do with being any part of the executors job. (I know, usually that is done but.... IMO, everyone has their hands in Michael's pockets and therefore the children's as well.)

[HolyMoly]

snipped

Woods is a mixture of races. jmo

Kinda like MJ's kids are.

[HolyMoly]

Jackson Executors -- Beyond the Call of Duty

Posted Dec 17th 2009 2:49PM by TMZ Staff

The executors of Michael Jackson's estate have filed documents, explaining why they should be entitled to more than the statutory fee most executors get -- a big reason ... Joe Jackson.

According to legal docs filed with the court, co-executors John Branca and John McClain had to defend the estate from a steady barrage of attacks by Joe Jackson and, until recently, by Katherine Jackson.

They also claim they've been working 14 hours a day, 7 days a week since they were appointed. And, they claim, their "business reputations and the character and reputation of Michael Jackson were repeatedly assaulted by personal and unfounded attacks" which they were forced to correct publicly in order to protect the Michael Jackson brand.

Branca and McClain say at the time Michael Jackson died ... Michael and his businesses were defendants in 11 separate lawsuits and it only got worse after his death.

Branca and McClain want more than the statutory fee -- which is a percentage of the value of the estate. They're asking for "extraordinary compensation" for the work most executors never have to do.




Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/17/michael-jackson-estate-john-branca-john-mcclain-joe-jackson-katherine-jackson-probate-special-administrator-fees/#ixzz0Zyncqd9i

[Xenam]

Michael Jackson's Executors -- Pay Us Now!

Michael Jackson's estate has not paid the Special Administrators a penny, but the day has now come -- at least according to new court docs filed by John Branca and John McClain.

The two men -- now officially the Executors of Michael Jackson's estate, are asking for 70% of the fees they have earned, pending court approval of the full amount.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/15/michael-jackson-estate-special-administrator-john-branca-john-mcclain-probate#ixzz0a0jyHrP5

[Xenam]

I guess it would be fair to say from everything we've read since MJ's death these Executors have been working overtime. JMO

[HolyMoly]

Michael Jackson Is MTV News' Man Of The Year

The King of Pop may have passed away, but he continues to influence music and culture.


Where were you when you heard the news? It's a question reserved for only the biggest of moments, and it's usually not asked fondly. And that was the case with the death of Michael Jackson, an event that stopped the world in its tracks...

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1628515/20091217/jackson_michael.jhtml

[HolyMoly]

Jackson tribute organizer in liquidation

By VERONIKA OLEKSYN

The Austrian company that was organizing a global Michael Jackson tribute in London said Friday it is being dissolved and will not be able to put on a star-studded show in honor of the King of Pop.

The company -- now officially known as World Awards Media GmbH in Liquidation -- said in a statement that the decision to dissolve the firm was made at the end of November. The statement did not provide any details but liquidator Martin Schneider said the main sponsor had decided to no longer financially support it.

Former chief promoter Georg Kindel told the Austria Press Agency that he did not know if Jackson's brother Jermaine would go ahead with the concert -- set for London in the first half of June 2010 -- on his own.

Jackson and Kindel had initially said they would stage the tribute outside Vienna's Schoenbrunn Palace on Sept. 26 but moved it to London's Wembley Stadium after running into problems.

At an early September news conference, they said too many top performers had scheduling conflicts, and blamed the media for stirring up a negative atmosphere. Jackson had previously said that Vienna was picked as a venue because his brother "loved castles."

Michael Jackson died June 25 in Los Angeles at age 50.

In Friday's APA interview, Kindel said he and Superfund founder Christian Baha -- the majority owner of the now defunct company -- split in October. A day later, both men "suggested" to Jermaine in Los Angeles that World Awards Media would no longer be able to organize the tribute, Kindel added.

Kindel's comments to APA suggest he and Baha did not part on good terms and that Baha broke off the partnership.

"I believe one could have done this differently, amicably and without any commotion," APA quoted Kindel as saying.

Neither Kindel nor Baha could be reached for comment.

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9CLQRRO1.htm

[HolyMoly]

Michael Jackson's "Captain EO" To Return To Disneyland In 2010


Anthony Jones - Celebrity News Service Contributor

Anaheim, California, US (CNS) - Michael Jackson is heading to Disneyland. His 1986 3D film "Captain EO" is returning to its former home in the California theme park in February 2010 for a limited engagement.


The 17-minute effects-laden film, directed by Francis Ford Coppola and executive produced by George Lucas, featured Jackson as the title character who leads a cast of sidekicks on a mission in space to fight the Witch Queen, played by Anjelica Huston. It's been regarded as the first "4-D" film, which combines 3-D film with in-house theater effects.

In the film, he performs two songs, "Another Part of Me," which appeared on the album "Bad," and the attraction exclusive "We Are Here to Change the World," which was finally released to fans in 2004 as part of "The Ultimate Collection."

The film had long been rumored to return to Disneyland following the pop star's death, including petitions from fans. It will replace "Honey, I Shrunk the Audience," which has held fort in the Kodak theater since 1998.

"The attraction's return to Tomorrowland will provide new audiences the opportunity to experience the original 3D production for the very first time, as well as a nostalgic look back for longtime fans wanting to see 'The King of Pop' in a rare performance created for the big-screen, just one more time," said Heather Hust Rivera, Manager, Print and Social Media for Disneyland Resort.


Read more: http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7017308325?Michael%20Jackson's%20#ixzz0a5JgSU1Y


Yay for Disneyland.

[HolyMoly]

Michael Jackson FBI file to be declassified before Christmas



http://www.examiner.com/x-30199-Rock-Music-Examiner~y2009m12d18-Michael-Jackson-FBI-file-to-be-declassified-before-Christmas

[EvilEyeBall]

Michael Jackson FBI file to be declassified before Christmas



http://www.examiner.com/x-30199-Rock-Music-Examiner~y2009m12d18-Michael-Jackson-FBI-file-to-be-declassified-before-Christmas

That should be interesting.

I'm specifically interested in the Anthony Pellicano angle.

How do we get a copy?????

Do I have to wait for Anthony Pellicano to DIE before the FBI releases his file?

[who_is_it]

That should be interesting.

I'm specifically interested in the Anthony Pellicano angle.

How do we get a copy?????

Do I have to wait for Anthony Pellicano to DIE before the FBI releases his file?

Anthony Pellicano investigated the extortion of MJ in 1993. If this comes out the world will know the TRUTH.

[HolyMoly]

Anthony Pellicano investigated the extortion of MJ in 1993. If this comes out the world will know the TRUTH.


Only the people who want to know the truth will know the truth. The others will continue to hold on to the myth, no matter how evident the truth becomes. The FBI isn't releasing the entire file. Some of it is still considered classified, for safety reasons.

[who_is_it]

Only the people who want to know the truth will know the truth. The others will continue to hold on to the myth, no matter how evident the truth becomes. The FBI isn't releasing the entire file. Some of it is still considered classified, for safety reasons.

I've recently read the book by Geraldine Hughes and am convinced MJ was extorted. Anthony Pellicano backed out of the legal / investigation team but he remained loyal.

You're right, some people will always continue to keep up their believes -- no matter how many facts are out.

[Emerald]

Does anyone know if Paris, Prince and Blanket celebrated this festive season with MJ?

Any of the traditional Holidays?

[EvilEyeBall]

Anthony Pellicano investigated the extortion of MJ in 1993. If this comes out the world will know the TRUTH.

Yeah, cause Pellicano was such an upstanding guy and all................eyeroll..........

[EvilEyeBall]

Does anyone know if Paris, Prince and Blanket celebrated this festive season with MJ?

Any of the traditional Holidays?

Yes, they did.

[EvilEyeBall]

I've recently read the book by Geraldine Hughes and am convinced MJ was extorted. Anthony Pellicano backed out of the legal / investigation team but he remained loyal.

You're right, some people will always continue to keep up their believes -- no matter how many facts are out.



Instead of reading garbage, why don't you actually familiarize yourself with THE Anthony Pellicano??? Just google and see the type of person MJ NEEDED to threaten the Chandlers.

[HolyMoly]

Instead of reading garbage, why don't you actually familiarize yourself with THE Anthony Pellicano??? Just google and see the type of person MJ NEEDED to threaten the Chandlers.


He probably needed like minded individuals. People who stop at nothing to achieve their goal.

From Aphrodite Jones's research files of the Michael Jackson Trial, used to support her new book, Michael Jackson Conspiracy, here are excerpts from a transcript of a recorded conversation between Anthony Pellicano, a private investigator for Michael Jackson, and Jim Mitteager, a Globe reporter.

With this exclusive look at never-before published information about the 1993 Chandler allegation, Jones challenges us to rethink the entire media case against Michael Jackson.

NOTE: PORTIONS OF THESE TRANSCRIPTS WERE HANDED OVER TO THE FBI AND MAY BE USED IN THE UPCOMING FEDERAL CASE AGAINST PELLICANO, WHO IS CHARGED WITH, AMONG OTHER THINGS, ILLEGAL WIRETAPPING.

TRANSCRIPT

September 1994

PELLICANO: Not only that. If you sat this kid [Jordie Chandler] down like I did, as a matter of fact, he couldn’t wait to get up and go play video games. I said, “you don’t understand how serious this is. Your dad [Evan Chandler] is going to accuse Michael of sexual molestation. He going to say all kinds of stuff.” He [Jordie] says, “Yeah, my dad’s trying to get money.



http://www.aphroditejones.com/Michael_Jackson_Trial/Michael_Jackson_Trial.htm

[Firehead11]

Does anyone know if Paris, Prince and Blanket celebrated this festive season with MJ?

Any of the traditional Holidays?


http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/node/504258

take your pick....

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/147064/Michael-Jackson-s-family-set-for-a-traditional-Christmas

[SayWhen]

I caught a bit of the A&E Jackson 5 reality show last nite while channel surfing.

They were visiting their little home back in Gary where they grew up. The few minutes I saw, were actually rather ... touching. :unsure:

[RootBeer]

Does anyone know if Paris, Prince and Blanket celebrated this festive season with MJ?

Any of the traditional Holidays?

Here is a link I found:

MICHAEL JACKSON - JACKSON FAMILY TO HOST FIRST CHRISTMAS

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/jackson-family-to-host-first-christmas_1120112

[who_is_it]

FBI Delays Release of MJ Extortion Documents

"(...) As for what's in the documents ... sources tell TMZ during the 1993 Michael Jackson child molestation investigation, the late great Johnnie Cochran contacted the FBI, claiming the accuser's family was trying to extort money from Jackson with false allegations. It's likely Cochran's contact with the agency will show up when the documents are released."

http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/21/michael-jackson-fbi-extortion-attempt-child-molestation-release-snow-storm-washington-documents/

Btw, later Feldman -- the attorney of the counter party -- represented Cochran in a case. I often ask myself if both attorneys already got along well at the time of the settlement by which Feldman allegedly earned US $ 3 million....

[who_is_it]

Instead of reading garbage, why don't you actually familiarize yourself with THE Anthony Pellicano??? Just google and see the type of person MJ NEEDED to threaten the Chandlers.

Anthony Pellicano plays a subordinate role in all what I've read. I believe Rothman's secretary, I totally believe it because she has no motive to tell something wrong. I could ask back: Why don't you familiarize yourself with THE Barry Rothman?

[EvilEyeBall]

Anthony Pellicano plays a subordinate role in all what I've read. I believe Rothman's secretary, I totally believe it because she has no motive to tell something wrong. I could ask back: Why don't you familiarize yourself with THE Barry Rothman?

Are you seriously claiming Evan Chandler and a child are SLICKER and SMARTER than the FBI? THe two of them successfully EXTORTED Michael Jackson right under the FBI's nose?

ROFLMAO!!!

Evan Chandler was investigated and no ...chuckle...extortion...charges were ever brought. But MJ did shell out millions to shut them up and he had Anthony Pellicano keep em quiet.

The facts are the facts.

Your stand up loyal guy known for illegal wire tapping and splicing of said tapes, C4 explosives and death threats....was loyal to MJ for one reason only. He was paid to intimidate and has a reputation as an "intimidater" to protect. That's why people hired him...to made things "go away."

[EvilEyeBall]

Anthony Pellicano plays a subordinate role in all what I've read. I believe Rothman's secretary, I totally believe it because she has no motive to tell something wrong. I could ask back: Why don't you familiarize yourself with THE Barry Rothman?

Too bad you missed reading the entire, in context, transcripts GERALDINE HUGES offered up.

was laughable !!!

[EvilEyeBall]

Anthony Pellicano plays a subordinate role in all what I've read. I believe Rothman's secretary, I totally believe it because she has no motive to tell something wrong. I could ask back: Why don't you familiarize yourself with THE Barry Rothman?

Ya may want to start here:

http://www.mahalo.com/anthony-pellicano

Weapons Possession 2002
In 2002, FBI agents raided Pellicano's office and found two practice grenades turned into homemade bombs and military-grade C-F explosives that had enough power to take down a passenger plane. The bombs were found while officers were searching for evidence that he was involved with threatening Los Angeles Times reporter Anita Busch, who was investigating his then-client Steven Seagal.

Pellicano was arrested in and plead guilty to possessing dangerous materials. He was sentenced to 30 months in prison. Pellicano was set to be released on February 4, 2006, but then was transferred to a Los Angeles jail due to the subsequent indictment


.........................

and the Liz Taylor connection:

In 1977, Pellicano gained fame in what his detractors called dishonest. He purported to have found the body of Elizabeth Taylor's third husband, Mike Todd. It had been stolen from a Chicago cemetary.

Bringing along a camera crew from a local news station, Pellicano dramatically walked seventy-five yards south of the excavated grave, reached around under some leaves and branches, and by jove, he found a plastic bag of Todd's remains. Pellicano's rivals claimed he'd staged the entire episode for publicity. (Jeanette Walls, Dish, pg. 276-277)

Lt. Joseph Byrnes of the Forest Park, Illinois, police told journalist John Connolly: "Seven patrolmen and I, walking shoulder to shoulder, searched every inch of that small cemetery, and we found nothing. The very next day, Pellicano makes a big deal of finding the remains in a spot we had thoroughly checked." (Los Angeles magazine, 2/94)

Taylor introduced Pellicano to her Hollywood friends. Criminal attorney Howard Weitzman hired him. The two successfully defended John DeLorean from cocaine trafficking charges.

Anthony Pellicano in his own words:

"I can't do everything by the book," says Pellicano. "I bend the law to death in gaining information." Pellicano tells people he carries an aluminum baseball bat in the trunk of his black Nexus. "Guys who XXXX with me get to meet my buddy over there," he told a reporter, pointing towards the bat.

Pellicano tells people that he is an expert with a knife. "I can shred your face." He has a blackbelt in karate. "If I use martial arts, I might really maim somebody. I have, and I don't want to. I only use intimidation and fear when I absolutely have to." (Dish, pg. 278)

[who_is_it]

Ya may want to start here:

http://www.mahalo.com/anthony-pellicano

<snipped for length>



Thank you for the information which I've read.

Now I wouldn't say Pellicano is an ethically motivated man through and through but to read about his investigation methods won't change my opinion about Michael Jackson in the situation.

[EvilEyeBall]

and most recently:

Mr. Pellicano, 64, was convicted of 76 of 77 charges.

After about two weeks of deliberations, the jury found Mr. Pellicano guilty of racketeering, racketeering conspiracy, wire fraud, identity theft, conspiracy to intercept or use wire communications and manufacture or possession of wiretapping device. He was acquitted of a single count of unauthorized computer access.



You really think he was just a loyal friend that played a subordinate role ??? I think Anthony Pellicano himself would take offense to that comment!

[EvilEyeBall]

Thank you for the information which I've read.

Now I wouldn't say Pellicano is an ethically motivated man through and through but to read about his investigation methods won't change my opinion about Michael Jackson in the situation.

Of course it won't, I knew that!

The man was caught with his hand in the cookie jar....... sharing a bed with young boys, one that can decribe, in detail, his spotted member, ,....7 locks on his bedroom door and an alarm.........to keep all that pornography, with his and a boy's fingerprints .........safe.......Yeah that's it.

I am well aware NOTHING will ever convice you;)

[HolyMoly]

Are you seriously claiming Evan Chandler and a child are SLICKER and SMARTER than the FBI? THe two of them successfully EXTORTED Michael Jackson right under the FBI's nose?

ROFLMAO!!!

Evan Chandler was investigated and no ...chuckle...extortion...charges were ever brought. But MJ did shell out millions to shut them up and he had Anthony Pellicano keep em quiet.

The facts are the facts.

Your stand up loyal guy known for illegal wire tapping and splicing of said tapes, C4 explosives and death threats....was loyal to MJ for one reason only. He was paid to intimidate and has a reputation as an "intimidater" to protect. That's why people hired him...to made things "go away."


Maybe your idea of a stand up guy is a father who drugs his young son and accepts money in place of "justice" when his young son is allegedly victimized and abused. You know the kind of dad, who's son refused to speak to him or acknowledge him in the years preceeding the self inflicted gunshot to the head.

:mellow:

[HolyMoly]

Of course it won't, I knew that!

The man was caught with his hand in the cookie jar....... sharing a bed with young boys, one that can decribe, in detail, his spotted member, ,....7 locks on his bedroom door and an alarm.........to keep all that pornography, with his and a boy's fingerprints .........safe.......Yeah that's it.

I am well aware NOTHING will ever convice you;)

You'd think with all that evidence and the unlimited power and money of the District Attorney(s), they could have scored a conviction. There is a reason why they never did score a conviction. (Even though they traveled the world looking for someone, anyone, who could offer some support to their bogus allegations) It's because there was NO credible evidence of ANY crime having been committed by MJ.

I guess you missed that part.

[who_is_it]

<snipped>

I am well aware NOTHING will ever convice you;)

I was convinced by what I've read: thousands of pages of transcripts. By chance (as I didn't know the website before) I found the grand jury transcripts on the web. I started to read and couldn't stop anymore as it was thrilling. I continued to read the later testimonies. Before I wasn't interested in Michael Jackson and his music at all.

I'm not convinced by all which is "pro MJ". For example the "pro Michael" Mary Fisher article didn't convince me but the content of Geraldine Hughes' book did though I didn't like her style of writing.

[who_is_it]

You'd think with all that evidence and the unlimited power and money of the District Attorney(s), they could have scored a conviction. There is a reason why they never did score a conviction. (Even though they traveled the world looking for someone, anyone, who could offer some support to their bogus allegations) It's because there was NO credible evidence of ANY crime having been committed by MJ.

<snipped as not addressed to me>

Want to add: There were 2 investigations: one by DA Garcetti (LA county) and another by DA Sneddon (Santa Barbara county). The investigations actively lasted about 13 months. The cases remained open for 6 years! No evidence was found. -- I guess JC will have a tough time with his conscience after tomorrow's release of the FBI files.

[who_is_it]

and most recently:

Mr. Pellicano, 64, was convicted of 76 of 77 charges.

After about two weeks of deliberations, the jury found Mr. Pellicano guilty of racketeering, racketeering conspiracy, wire fraud, identity theft, conspiracy to intercept or use wire communications and manufacture or possession of wiretapping device. He was acquitted of a single count of unauthorized computer access.



You really think he was just a loyal friend that played a subordinate role ??? I think Anthony Pellicano himself would take offense to that comment!

The motive of the mentioned crimes was investigation. He did these things to get information and to do his job (though I agree he can't go as far to break the law). I'm very interested in tomorrow's release of the FBI investigations. Would have MJ through his lawyer wanted it to be investigated by the FBI if not innocent??? -- I don't think so....

[who_is_it]

Allegedly the files will be released tomorrow here on the FBI website:

http://foia.fbi.gov/

This is the direct link to the so called "reading room" for files about people with surnames starting with "J":

http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/foiaindex_j.htm

Or they could be published here (on famous people):

http://foia.fbi.gov/famous.htm

[who_is_it]

Just found this about Mike's arch enemy:

Martin Bashir Has Brain Tumor
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/09/martin-bashir-has-brain-t_n_105998.html

The article dates back to 2008. Does anyone know if Bashir had surgery / is healed?

[who_is_it]

I've found another information I want to share. Actually I've read it on blogs but then checked if it's true. YES, IT'S TRUE, a psychiatrist who recorded JC, Richard Gardner, committed suicide:

HARRIS: These were tapes made by a therapist who was hired by a lawyer for this young boy and his family, who was trying to vet his story. He was not in the role of a therapist. And therefore, it was videotaped. And then a family member audiotaped it for a book he was writing. And so it is not in the context of a session.

GRACE: It was a therapist with the boy?

HARRIS: It was a therapist, not Dr. Katz, someone in New York, who is now dead, Richard Gardner. And he was an expert at the time, an expert at suppressed memories. And he is usually, back then, he was used by criminal defense lawyers to attack cases brought against their clients.

(...)

HARRIS: These were tapes made by a therapist who was hired by a lawyer for this young boy and his family, who was trying to vet his story.He was not in the role of a therapist. And therefore, it was videotaped. And then a family member audiotaped it for a book he was writing. And so it is not in the context of a session.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0504/06/ng.01.html

"Gardner took his own life on May 25, 2003, using a kitchen knife to stab himself multiple times in the chest and neck."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_A._Gardner

[HolyMoly]

I haven't been here for a while. Has this link been posted?

http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/21/michael-jackson-fbi-extortion-attempt-child-molestation-release-snow-storm-washington-documents/

I can't wait to read these documents. It might shed some light on what really happened in that case.

The proof of extortion committed against MJ has been out there for some time. Transcripts, interviews, articles, witnesses. It's all there for anyone looking to find the truth. If the FBI had any incriminating evidence against MJ, it would have been presented in trial, but no credible evidence ever existed.

Also... MJ met with many US Presidents, and leaders of many countries, which would also trigger the interest of FBI investigators. The big mystery here is what is contained in the still classified documents, the once we won't see.

imo...of course.

[SayWhen]

La Toya Jackson Targets Chris Brown and Tiger

http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/18/la-toya-jackson-chris-brown-tiger-woods-target-christmas-holiday-shopping-video/#ixzz0aNjBy950

What a pip!

I must be gettin soft in the head. :unsure:

[HolyMoly]

What evidence that proved Mr Chandler was an extortionist? What trial, there wasn't any. Aren't we discussing the 1993 molestation case? Maybe you should read the link I posted. jmo


huh? The TMZ link? Why? There wasn't a trial because there wasn't any evidence to support the extortionist's story. No evidence to support charges.

[HolyMoly]

I guess we'll see what the FBI thought of Cochran's complaint that Mr Chandler was an extortionist. Mr Chandler was never charged with any crime. IMO There was no evidence he was an extortionist. It was a smoke screen by the defense to save MJ's reputation. imo


Yep. Just like there is no evidence that Murray is a negligent, incompetent, greedy doctor.

haha

[Xenam]

I guess we'll see what the FBI thought of Cochran's complaint that Mr Chandler was an extortionist. Mr Chandler was never charged with any crime. IMO There was no evidence he was an extortionist. It was a smoke screen by the defense to save MJ's reputation. imo

LOL -- Neither was MJ charged with any crime and there was no evidence either. :confused:

[HolyMoly]

In response to Freedom of Information Act requests, the Bureau has released its investigative files on the late entertainer Michael Jackson, who died earlier this year.

The records total 333 pages, divided into seven files. They detail the FBI’s investigation of a man who threatened to kill Jackson, as well as various forms of assistance to California authorities in two cases involving allegations that Jackson had abused children. It should be emphasized that none of these allegations were ever proven in court.

The files are available on the Freedom of Information Act/Privacy website, but here is a quick rundown of what they contain.



The first file—9A-LA-142276—was opened by the Los Angeles FBI office when it was asked to lead a federal case against a California man already under arrest for sending numerous threatening letters. The man—who falsely claimed to be the son of mobster John Gotti—had staked out Jackson's house and threatened to kill him, the U.S. president, and others. He was ruled incompetent to stand trial and sent to prison for two years.

The second and third files—62D-LA-162715 and 62D-LO-11779—involve the Bureau’s support of local law enforcement. In 1993, the Los Angeles and the Santa Barbara Police departments formed a task force to investigate an allegation that Jackson had molested a young boy. FBI field divisions in Los Angeles and New York—as well as Bureau overseas offices in Manila and London—provided assistance in that case. Investigators gathered public records on Jackson, interviewed a potential witness, and followed various other leads. The FBI assisted Los Angeles Police Department detectives who traveled to the Philippines to interview possible witnesses and shared news reports from London about a potential victim. The U.S. Attorney declined to pursue a federal investigation, including a possible violation of the Mann Act (transporting a minor across state lines for immoral purposes), and no charges were filed by the state.

The fourth file—95A-HQ-1148159—concerns a 1995 request by a U.S. Customs agent in Florida that the Bureau examine a VHS videotape connected with Jackson to see if it contained child pornography. Forensic specialists discovered that the tape was a “poor quality third or fourth generation recording” and informed the Customs Service of their findings.

In 2003, Jackson was charged by the state of California with molestation and other counts. The final three files—62D-LA-236081, 252B-IR-6808, and 305B-LA-239205—detail the Bureau’s support to local law enforcement during the ensuing investigation. The first of these files describes an FBI response to a Los Angeles Police Department request to analyze computers and digital media obtained from Jackson's home under court warrant. The second involves a request by the Santa Barbara County District Attorney for help and guidance from behavioral analysts in the FBI’s Critical Incident Response Group. In the last of the three files, an FBI agent from Los Angeles traveled to New York to interview a potential witness. The agent found this individual unwilling to cooperate and closed the matter. The case went to court in 2005, and Jackson was acquitted of all charges.

http://www.fbi.gov/page2/dec09/jackson_122209.html

[Xenam]

Thanks HM :)

Federal Bureau of Investigation - Freedom of Information Privacy Act
Transcripts of FBI cases which may be of interest to the public.

FBI's FOIA/Privacy Website

http://www.fbi.gov/homepage.htm

http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/jackson_michael.htm

[HolyMoly]

Well, isn't it awful how poor Jackson was picked on by Scotland Yard and the FBI in London? I guess there was a vendetta there too.:laugh: IMO

Anything in the files about Mr Chandler being investigated for extortion?

Jackson sure had an ongoing way about himself. IMO

Its very telling that you automatically think Evan Chandler when you hear the word "extortion."

However rational it is to assume its Mr. Chandler, it is not. Maybe you should read the info.

[HolyMoly]

Was there an arrest in that case? Stick to the topic at hand please.

The topic is Michael Jackson. Murray is the person who killed Michael Jackson, and also the subject of the homicide investigation. So..

[Firehead11]

X,

Please, let's get serious. There was plenty of evidence. IMO

Jackson slid out of any convictions with his money and his lawyers smoke screens while attacking everyone else. Victims, victims parents, extortion claims ect. JMO of course

Yes, let us get serious here. A jury who heard all of that "evidence" did not convict on ANY of the charges. None. Nada. Zip. Nil. Just because some "feel" that there was evidence, there was not. Sneddon traveled all over the world in attempt to gather anything on Jackson. He did not succeed in his attempt.

[HolyMoly]

Maybe because you call him an extortionist instead of his name all the time.

Calling an innocent man an extortionist without any arrest, conviction, or even an investigation by the FBI is out of line in my book. On top of that he is now deceased. Maybe it's time to report you for that, ya think?

jmo of course


There is a flaw in your argument. He wasn't innocent of extortion. His bank account proved that. He is deceased because he decided to be deceased. But please... feel free to report any violations you believe I have committed.

[Firehead11]

Maybe because you call him an extortionist instead of his name all the time.

Calling an innocent man an extortionist without any arrest, conviction, or even an investigation by the FBI is out of line in my book. On top of that he is now deceased. Maybe it's time to report you for that, ya think?

jmo of course

Just because someone was arrested for something does not mean guilt. If you go by what has been claimed, yes Chandler extorted money out of Jacksons insurance company.

If you feel the need to report this go ahead.

[Firehead11]

Thank you for repeating again he was not convicted. He was, however, found not guilty which does not equate to innocent.

Sneddon had enough evidence and probable cause to take him to trial. It should have been a mistrial because of jury misconduct. Just because the jury was star struck and had no empathy for child victims wasn't his fault. The boy had grown too old by that time to let them see the real story.

We are all going to go around and around on this and no one will change their minds.

All above is my opinion of course

I don't see the word innocent in my post. From my understanding a apple can be indicted if submitted to a grand jury. Listen, I am not going to debate this issue with you, you are not going to change my mind of Jackson's innocence and I am not going to change yours either.

So have a safe and Happy Holiday Season !

[who_is_it]

I will put this down till I have time to read the 333 pages on my own.

Just 2 quotes of a TMZ article:

"(...) In July, 2004, a memo was drafted stating that the Santa Barbara County District Attorney's investigation produced "collateral investigative issues, some of which potentially rise to the level of Federal Violations, in the New York and Miami Divisions as well as the Los Angeles Division." The memo does not elaborate on the nature of the alleged offenses."

http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/22/michael-jackson-fbi-child-molestation-case-trial-santa-barbara-d-a-prosecutors-special-agents/

"There are also documents showing the FBI was involved in the 1993 molestation investigation. In one doc, there are notes which state Jackson was riding in a train with a boy whom Jackson identified as his cousin. The notes say, "He was very possessive of boy," and at night on the train a witness "heard questionable noises through wall.""

http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/22/michael-jackson-fbi-child-molestation-case-trial-santa-barbara-d-a-prosecutors-special-agents/

The latter statement makes me ROFLMAO. If this is all what the FBI could observe and find out..., if this is what is called evidence -- downright ridiculous! Hahaha!

[Firehead11]

bolding mine

What are you talking about? Jackson paid him off. His bank account showed he was an extortionist!?! It showed Jackson gave him money not to go to trial.

He's deceased. Period.

Those files showed he was never even investigated for extortion. That should end this, especially because what happened was Jackson bribed a witness.

IMO

I am not one to knock a dead man but he took his own life. Now whether it was due to unknown disease that had been reported or his conscience, I don't know. But just as you keep repeating the allegations against Jackson (he is dead also by the hands of another) it had been suggested that Chandler extorted the money. It had been reported that he drugged his own son in order to feed him false memories. While you don't believe that some do. Period.

They have NOT released all of the files. The claim that Cochran allegedly made, could very well be among the sealed papers yet.

[HolyMoly]

Seems there were more boys then anyone knew about. JMO

The last statement dosen't make me laugh. It makes me barf .



He helped many children, of both genders. The LA county, and SB County, the FBI, traveled all over the world in a deparate attempt to come up with some credible evidence of wrongdoing on the part of MJ. They came up with nothing, because MJ never committed the acts for which he was falsely accused. They had the MJ "Task Force" assigned to find evidence. There was no evidence. Its as simple as that. Michael Jackson did NOT commit these acts.

Oh I forgot to add.. 17 computers confiscated from MJ's home. Not a hint of any keywords which might support the allegations. Not even a hint... 17 computers.

[HolyMoly]

bolding mine

What are you talking about? Jackson paid him off. His bank account showed he was an extortionist!?! It showed Jackson gave him money not to go to trial.

He's deceased. Period.

Those files showed he was never even investigated for extortion. That should end this, especially because what happened was Jackson bribed a witness.

IMO

Bribed a witness? Do you have a link to this new allegation?

[Xenam]

As much info that has come out about Pellicano and what he uncovered with his unscrupulous methods no one has ever said he lied. JMO


From Aphrodite Jones's research files of the Michael Jackson Trial, used to support her new book, Michael Jackson Conspiracy, here are excerpts from a transcript of a recorded conversation between Anthony Pellicano, a private investigator for Michael Jackson, and Jim Mitteager, a Globe reporter.

With this exclusive look at never-before published information about the 1993 Chandler allegation, Jones challenges us to rethink the entire media case against Michael Jackson.

THIS IS AN EXACT REPLICA OF A TRANSCRIPT HANDED TO APHRODITE JONES BY PAUL BARRESI, A PRIVATE DETECTIVE, WHO STILL HAS RECORDINGS BETWEEN ANTHONY PELLICANO AND JIM MITTEAGER.

NOTE: PORTIONS OF THESE TRANSCRIPTS WERE HANDED OVER TO THE FBI AND MAY BE USED IN THE UPCOMING FEDERAL CASE AGAINST PELLICANO, WHO IS CHARGED WITH, AMONG OTHER THINGS, ILLEGAL WIRETAPPING.

http://www.aphroditejones.com/Michael_Jackson_Trial/Michael_Jackson_Trial.htm

[GentleBreeze]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34524767/ns/us_news/

Terrorist attack feared after Jackson arrest

The FBI reviewed case notes from local authorities and examined 16 computers taken from Jackson's home. Nothing notable was described as being found on the hard drives, though parts of the files are redacted.

Tom Mesereau, who was Jackson's lead defense attorney during his trial, said the FBI documents provide further proof the singer did nothing wrong.

"He was not a criminal and he was not a pedophile," Mesereau said. "The fact that so many agencies investigated him and couldn't find anything proves he was completely innocent."

[HolyMoly]

IMO Jackson bribed Mr Chandler not to go to trial. That, my dear, is bribing a witness to stop a trial. I don't need a link when I am expressing my opinion and you know that. JMO

hmm.. Perhaps thats the reason why Murray hasn't been arrested. Could it be that he has bribed someone in power? I'll bet thats what it is.

In the MJ case, Mr. Chandler was free to testify, regardless of payment. Mr. Chandler knew he would never convince a jury of his fiction, and might even raise a few eyebrows in the knowledge that he drugged his child... without a medical need. I wonder why he was never investigated for drugging his child. Seems like abuse to me.

[HolyMoly]

Helping millions and millions and millions of children does not mean a thing if he did anything at all to one.

snipped

JMO of course

Have a nice night everyone. Christmas is almost here!!!!!


I believe all those children he helped, which was every one he ever encountered, probably think that it did mean something. Its the children who were his biggest supporters. They have always known the truth about MJ, and thats why he was so loved by so many of them.

[who_is_it]

So why did Jackson give Mr Chandler that money? Out of the goodness of his heart?

Mr Chandler never drugged his child and that is why he was never investigated. jmo

I'ver read there were 2 reasons:

One was that his legal team pushed him to do so after Fields (who had a different position: to fight it out in court) backed out.

Another reason was that MJ wanted the criminal proceedings to move forward but a motion by Feldman was granted instead: civil proceedings before criminal proceedings because a child can't remember details after a longer period of time.

[who_is_it]

NY Times:

"The files also describe another child molestation investigation by the bureau in late 2004 that was closed when a witness, the file said, 'advised the agents that he had no interest in testifying against' Mr. Jackson and 'would legally fight any attempt to do so.'"

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/23/arts/music/23arts-FBIRELEASESI_BRF.html

Maybe all what's revealed now fires back on Sneddon...

[GentleBreeze]

So why did Jackson give Mr Chandler that money? Out of the goodness of his heart? How did Chandler extort Jackson since there was no evidence and no molestation as you said?

Mr Chandler never drugged his child and that is why he was never investigated. jmo

Imo, because Mr. Jackson knew just the mere allegations of sexual child abuse alone would gravely harm him both personally and professionally. 20 million dollars at that time for Mr. Jackson was a drop in the bucket for him.

Being accused of such allegations is the worst thing that can happen to someone whether they are ever convicted or not.

I believe Chandler carried out "his plan" that he said he had and paid others to help him do it just like he told his brother in law, iirc, in the taped phone conversation.

It is quite interesting that right after MJs trial was over is when all heck seem to break loose between Jordy and his father where he got a restraining order on him and Jordy went back to having a relationship with his mom. I think Jordy was sick and tired of the lie he had lived with for a long time.

IMOO

[who_is_it]

Nah, that won't happen. Just because a witness didn't want to testify in court doesn't mean nothing happened. jmo

YES, that DID happen. See the Smoking Gun website (with links to the ORIGINAL FBI documents). Jordan Chandler threatened that he would legally fight any attempt to make him testify.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/1222091jackson1.html

[who_is_it]

A motion was granted in criminal court to go ahead with civil proceedings first? I've sure never heard that or even heard of such a thing. I don't believe for a minute Jackson wanted to be in that courtroom. jmo

A "motion for trial preference" was granted in civil court to go ahead with the civil proceedings first. It was the request that the case is heard in between 120 days.

Fields on the other hand has filed a "motion for stay of discovery and trial" which was NOT granted.

[who_is_it]

OMG. That gave Jackson and his team access to settle and stop the criminal trial. I heard something about Jackson's Law which stops that from happening anymore in CA. Is that right?

Civil trials never go before criminal trials in most states. jmo

Yes, that's exactly the point, point queen. Civil trials USUALLY never go before criminal trials.... but after Feldman filed a motion it was granted. Fair? -- Imo no.

What would you have done? Wouldn't you have settled in this situation, too?

[HolyMoly]

snipped

I think Jordy was upset with his father for years because his father stopped the trial in the beginning. If that would have happened he would have never been asked to testify at the second trial. I think he felt it was his father's fault that Jackson continued his activities. After all, that picture of Jackson's genitals was right on. I believe Jordy. He told the truth and Jackson was running scared.

jmo

First of all, the so called "bribe" was paid by the insurance carrier. Michael had no control over those negotiations.


The civil portion of the Chandler case against Jackson was mutually settled with the payment of an undisclosed amount of money. In a legal court document filed in court on March 22, 2005, it was stated that Jackson’s insurance carrier ultimately negotiated and paid the full settlement amount[2]. The court document states that “the 1993 civil settlement was made by Mr. Jackson’s insurance company and was not within Mr. Jackson’s control… The settlement agreement was for global claims of negligence and the lawsuit was defended by Mr. Jackson’s insurance carrier. The insurance carrier negotiated and paid the settlement, over the protests of Mr. Jackson and his personal legal counsel.”

Secondly, Jordy made the decision to not testify:

In 2005, according to Raymond Chandler, Jordan left the country to avoid testifying in the trial against Jackson; Ray states that Jordan does not like the media attention and has moved three times since the case began. His mother, June Chandler, has not seen her son in 11 years either, and Ray is also estranged from her.

Thirdly, Jordy was abused by his father:

In 2006, Jordan Chandler accused his father of abuse. The accuser, now 26, says his ex-dentist dad Evan Chandler “struck him on the head from behind with … (dumbbell) weight … sprayed his eyes with Mace or pepper spray, and tried to choke him” last year, according to court documents filed in New Jersey.

Wikipedia – Jordan Chandler


And finally, the actual picture drawn by Jordy, who, by the way failed to accurately describe circumcision or not.

http://floacist.wordpress.com/2008/04/18/his-description-was-accurate/

I'd say Jordy's description as shown in his drawing, pretty fairly and accurately describe most circumcised men. It was no secret Michael had vitiligo.

[HolyMoly]

A motion was granted in criminal court to go ahead with civil proceedings first? I've sure never heard that or even heard of such a thing. I don't believe for a minute Jackson wanted to be in that courtroom. jmo


umm.. excuse me... It was Michael who filed a motion to have the criminal trial BEFORE the civil trial. His motion was denied by the court. Your unique set of facts, have nothing to do with the actual case.

[HolyMoly]

snipped

Mr Chandler never drugged his child and that is why he was never investigated. jmo


That is a lie!


In early August, Chandler, a registered dentist, extracted a tooth from his son's mouth, and was later forced to admit that he used the controversial sedative sodium Amytal during the procedure.[1] Under the influence of the drug, Jordan alleged that Jackson had touched his penis. Experts state that the drug sodium Amytal "makes patients extremely susceptible to suggestions".[

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_child_sexual_abuse_accusations_against_Michae l_Jackson

[HolyMoly]

Dr. Conrad Murray -- Lights, Camera, TV Show

Posted Dec 23rd 2009 12:30AM by TMZ Staff

Only in Hollywood, could a doctor who's being investigated in the death of Michael Jackson score a gig to star in a international TV special.

TMZ has learned Dr. Conrad Murray struck a deal with a British documentary crew to shoot footage of the Doc during his first day back on the job in Houston on November 23, 2009. We're told the footage was shot for an upcoming one-episode TV special.

A spokesman for Dr. Murray tells us the production company was "interested in the reaction of patients to his return." We're told the crew followed Murray around for the entire day, as he rolled by his office and his church.

The spokesman tells us Dr. Murray hasn't received a dime for his work -- yet ... but he will get paid an unspecified amount once the special airs.

One problem -- Dr. Murray is refusing to allow the company to air the project until the Michael Jackson investigation is complete. The spokesman tells us the wait could last "a couple of years."

And just to be safe, Murray's camp claims they're holding all of the footage.

The spokesman adds, "Dr. Murray is currently working 12 hour days ... to pay off his [child support] debt."



http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/23/dr-conrad-murray-michael-jackson-death-propofol-reality-show-documentary-tv-special-british/

What a disgrace to our system of justice.

[Xenam]

The FBI monitored Jackson for more than a decade, but the files contain no major revelations about his private life and the bureau apparently never developed any solid evidence against him.


Tom Mesereau, who was Jackson's lead defense attorney during his trial, said the FBI documents provide further proof the singer did nothing wrong.

"He was not a criminal and he was not a pedophile," Mesereau said. "The fact that so many agencies investigated him and couldn't find anything proves he was completely innocent."

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/entertainment&id=7183977

[who_is_it]

I better don't want to know what ridiculous other contents the not released FBI files contain. I've read that notes about the chimp Bubbles are part of the FBI files. They've also collected tabloid stories about the Terry George phone call in 1978 (1978! Michael was 20 and Terry 13). Terry George had distanced from these tabloid stories on his own website which he recently changed. And to interview any former employees from Neverland -- not even potential victims -- they made a trip to the Philippines.

What a big waste of tax payers' money!

[Firehead11]

There is another approximately 300 pages that were redacted. I would like to see whats in those pages. On the news this morning, it was said the redaction was to protect witnesses interviewed and what they said. To investigate for the protection of children is NOT a waste of tax payers' money.

jmo of course

Do you have a link to what you are stating? If not, then it is a big leap to even believe that the redated 200+ pages are to protect CHILDREN. I have seen so many documents where the name of anyone involved has been blacked out.

Sorry, not buying into your theory.

[HolyMoly]

Instead of reading garbage, why don't you actually familiarize yourself with THE Anthony Pellicano??? Just google and see the type of person MJ NEEDED to threaten the Chandlers.


You should familiarize yourself too:

"Anthony Pellicano, the famed Hollywood private eye, was fond of saying he would go to great lengths to solve his celebrity clients' problems -- even if it meant whacking somebody with a baseball bat or resorting to blackmail.

He cultivated an aura of danger, boasting that he knew how to shred someone's face with a knife.

Yet for three decades, prosecutors across the country had no hesitation about using him as an expert witness in dozens of cases. Despite his unsavory image and win-at-all-costs reputation, Pellicano, who is now serving time for possession of illegal explosives, built a lucrative career as an "audio forensics" expert, analyzing and enhancing tape recordings.

Well-Paid as a Witness

Over the years, Pellicano collected as much as $350 an hour from the government and was paid tens of thousands of dollars in some cases.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-glover_020104,0,7938890.story

[who_is_it]

There is another approximately 300 pages that were redacted. I would like to see whats in those pages. On the news this morning, it was said the redaction was to protect witnesses interviewed and what they said. To investigate for the protection of children is NOT a waste of tax payers' money.

jmo of course

I would also be interested in the other 300 pages but for a different reason than you: just because I think MJ would be vindicated even more from his reputation damage.

IF there was any evidence in the other 300 pages FBI documents it would have gone to trial in 2003 and / or the evidence would have been brought into the 2005 trial.

Btw, did you see that many media didn't find it news worthy anymore to report about the allegations? Most of them chose to report about the terror risk and the stalker instead.

[HolyMoly]

Jackson wasn't vindicated. He's in the same place he was before. IMO

I heard some reporting on there being more boys then originally thought. That one boy that got that nasty disgusting phone call lied too I suppose. IMO that was Jackson's MO with little boys.

I'm thinking Jordy got quite a few of the same kind of calls at all hours too.

I'd like to see all the statements and who they were taken from. That would shed a whole lot of light on Jackson's activities.

Just because no charges were filed by the FBI, it doesn't mean there were no nasty conversations or no evidence. It might not have risen to filing charges, but I'll bet it wasn't pretty. I thought they weren't allowed to bring in prior evidence other then who testiLied on the witness stand. They weren't allowed to bring in anything about Jordy like that drawing and pictures ect. That would have buried Jackson. He would have been found guilty. They wouldn't have even needed Jordy on the stand. It would have been laid out for a jury to finally see. Too bad that wasn't allowed.

If you want to keep making up excuses for Jackson, that's your business. Personally, I put children first.

All JMO of course

Do you put children first? Don't you wonder how many children could have benefited from the massive resources wasted on the villification/investigation of MJ? I know of at least one named Jaycee, who was held for 18 years in a backyard cage, due in part to a lack of resources to properly and effectively monitor a bonified child predator.

Evidently the FBI didn't find any evidence to support any allegations, regardless of what portions of the file were released. Surely no one can reasonably suspect that the pages held back, were the pages containing all the damning info on MJ, because if there was any incriminating info or evidence, Mr. Sneddon would have pounced on it. For anyone to think they are more qualified than the FBI to make evidence determinations is silly.

And again.. you are making up your unique set of facts, to fit your agenda, such as the falsehood that the state wasn't allowed to bring in anything about Jordy. Were you aware that Jordy's Mother was brought in and she did testify in the criminal case? Yet.. the jury, who actually saw and evaluated the evidence, made the only proper decision in acquitting MJ.

It's one thing to debate a topic, with pro's and con's. It's quite another thing to make up details for the purpose of misrepresenting the facts.

imo...of course.

Tuesday, April 12, 2005

The Mother of the 1993 Accuser Jordan Chandler took the stand yesterday to testify her son's relationship with Michael Jackson.

During cross-examination, Mesereau asked Chandler about the lawsuit in which her son as well as her and her ex-husband received a financial settlement as well as the fact that Michael counter-sued them for extortion. She claimed to know nothing about it. "When you filed the lawsuit, your attorney was threatening to ruin Mr. Jackson's music deals, correct?" Mesereau asked. "I don't recall," she answered. The witness denied that she asked Michael for $4 million because they were $5 million in debt. She also denied that she went to an attorney before going to the police with her son's allegations, "Your strategy was to negotiate a settlement before ever contacting authorities, correct?" asked Mesereau. "There was no strategy. Sorry," Chandler responded.

Mesereau noted that during an interview with Los Angeles Prosecutors in 1993 Chandler stated, "Michael Jackson wasn't the superstar. He was a regular person. We couldn't believe how nice he was," and that "when Michael Jackson is not working, he's a lonely person." Mesereau went on, "And did you ever tell the Los Angeles District Attorney that your ex-husband said the relationship with Michael was a wonderful means for (Jordan) to not have to worry for the rest of his life?" he asked. "Yes," Chandler replied.

June Chandler did not describe witnessing any acts of the alleged molestation on her son, who has refused to testify to verify any claims made.

http://aboutmichaeljackson.com/m-news+article+storyid-192.html

[HolyMoly]

If I may ask, what evidence was brought in other then the testimony of Jordy's mother? Was any evidence brought in the police had from that investigation of Jordy's allegations?


There was no evidence independent of the accuser's allegation. This is why there was no criminal trial in that case. That is why when Jordy refused to testify, they were left with no choice but to let it go. There was NO EVIDENCE to support the allegations.

[Firehead11]

Jackson wasn't vindicated. He's in the same place he was before. IMO

I heard some reporting on there being more boys then originally thought. That one boy that got that nasty disgusting phone call lied too I suppose. IMO that was Jackson's MO with little boys.

I'm thinking Jordy got quite a few of the same kind of calls at all hours too.

I'd like to see all the statements and who they were taken from. That would shed a whole lot of light on Jackson's activities.

Just because no charges were filed by the FBI, it doesn't mean there were no nasty conversations or no evidence. It might not have risen to filing charges, but I'll bet it wasn't pretty. I thought they weren't allowed to bring in prior evidence other then who testiLied on the witness stand. They weren't allowed to bring in anything about Jordy like that drawing and pictures ect. That would have buried Jackson. He would have been found guilty. They wouldn't have even needed Jordy on the stand. It would have been laid out for a jury to finally see. Too bad that wasn't allowed.

If you want to keep making up excuses for Jackson, that's your business. Personally, I put children first.

All JMO of course

I didn't find it anywhere that what was redacted was testimony and/or a statement from witnesses against Jackson. I am again asking for a link where I can read this for myself. Believe me, I have googled.

As far as the remaining part of your statement in italics. Jordy refused to testify against Jackson. REFUSED. I wonder why........... They would have needed Jordy to testified to verify that is what he told LE or it would be consider hear say.

I stand for children also so please don't insult my intelligence. Believe what you want, it really doesn't matter. Jackson is dead, he can no longer be hurt by those accusations. But let me tell you one thing his CHILDREN can.

As far as you supporting Murray, go right ahead. He needs it. Maybe if the same thing happenes in your family, you wouldn't be so fast to accept what Murray is stating. IMO, you seem to think it is a good thing when a doctor injects a dangerous drug into someone that he isn't trained to handle. That in itself scares me.

:scared:

[HolyMoly]

The Molestation Charges

Jackson is accused of molesting Gavin Arvizo at his Neverland Ranch on several occasions in March 2003

Evidence:
• Testimony of Gavin Arvizo, the alleged victim.
• Testimony of Star Arvizo, who claims to have witnessed the alleged abuse on several occasions.

The Alcohol Allegations

Jackson is accused of supplying Gavin Arvizo with liquor to seduce the boy

Evidence:•
Testimony of Gavin Arvizo
• Testimony of Star Arvizo
• Testimony of Davellin Arvizo
• Testimony of Kiki Fournier, Jackson’s former maid. During her twelve years working at Neverland, Fournier claimed to have seen several minors who “might” have been intoxicated.

The Pornography Allegations

Jackson is accused of showing pornography to Gavin and Star Arvizo.

Evidence:
• Testimony of Gavin Arvizo
• Testimony of Star Arvizo
• The boys were able to tell investigators where Jackson kept his stash of pornography.
• The accuser’s fingerprints were found on one of Jackson’s porn magazines.

The Conspiracy Charge

Jackson is accused of holding Gavin Arvizo and his family hostage at Neverland and forcing them to participate in a videotaped rebuttal to the controversial Living with Michael Jackson documentary that aired in February 2003.

Evidence:
• Testimony of Davellin Arvizo
• Testimony of Star Arvizo
• Testimony of Gavin Arvizo
• Testimony of Ann Marie Kite, a former Jackson employee who confirmed that Living with Michael Jackson was a public relations disaster. Kite also testified that one of Jackson’s associates wanted to paint Janet Arvizo, the mother of Jackson’s accuser as a “crack *****,” in the media. (Link)
• Testimony of Louise Palanker, a comedian who befriended the Arvizos. According to Palanker, she received a panicked call from Janet Arvizo who told her that Jackson’s associates were “evil.”


http://floacist.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/the-trial-summary-of-the-evidence-that-has-been-presented-in-court/


This is a sumnmary of the prosecution evidence only and the defense evidence is not posted here.

[who_is_it]

Jackson wasn't vindicated. He's in the same place he was before. IMO

I heard some reporting on there being more boys then originally thought. That one boy that got that nasty disgusting phone call lied too I suppose. IMO that was Jackson's MO with little boys.

I'm thinking Jordy got quite a few of the same kind of calls at all hours too.

I'd like to see all the statements and who they were taken from. That would shed a whole lot of light on Jackson's activities.

Just because no charges were filed by the FBI, it doesn't mean there were no nasty conversations or no evidence. It might not have risen to filing charges, but I'll bet it wasn't pretty. I thought they weren't allowed to bring in prior evidence other then who testiLied on the witness stand. They weren't allowed to bring in anything about Jordy like that drawing and pictures ect. That would have buried Jackson. He would have been found guilty. They wouldn't have even needed Jordy on the stand. It would have been laid out for a jury to finally see. Too bad that wasn't allowed.

If you want to keep making up excuses for Jackson, that's your business. Personally, I put children first.

All JMO of course

@ colored parts:

I didn't only mean "vindicated" by court but also in the mind of many people. Many people changed their opinion, even news outlets did so (unfortunately too late imo....). I know YOU didn't change your opinion.

I disagree, IF the FBI had revealed anything remarkable charges would have been filed immediately imo.

Any real victim would support other potential victims imo. Jordan instead threatened with legal actions if they had continued to try to make him testify.

[who_is_it]

Quotation of what I've mentioned in a previous post:

"What led an agent to scrawl "male chimp" twice in his notebook remains a mystery, thanks to FBI censors who redacted much of the rest of the writing on the page."
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/12/michael-jacksons-chimp-bubbles-makes-appearance-in-fbi-files.html

:lol:

[LadyFuzz]

Welcome all to the Michael Jackson Holiday Thread.

I hope his children are going to be able to celebrate Christmas and have a wonderful time.

[HolyMoly]

Chandler Suicide Highlights Media Bias Against Jackson

by Charles Thomson
Thursday, 19 November 2009

When it emerged yesterday that two weeks go Evan Chandler, father of Jordan Chandler, shot himself in the head, few tears were shed despite the media’s best efforts to eulogise him.

Most media outlets are touting Chandler as ‘the father of the boy who accused Jackson of child molestation’. Wrong. Chandler was the father who accused Jackson of molesting his son.

The initial allegations against Jackson were made not by Jordy Chandler but by his father Evan, in spite of Jordy’s insistence that Jackson never touched him inappropriately, a stance that the boy maintained for several months.

Relations between the boy’s father and Jackson had soured in early 1993 when Evan asked the popstar to build him a house and Jackson politely declined. A failed screenwriter, Chandler contacted Jackson shortly afterwards and asked him to negotiate three scriptwriting deals on his behalf. If Jackson did not comply, he said, he would accuse him of molesting his son. Jackson didn’t comply – and the rest is history.

As revealed by Mary Fischer in her 1994 GQ article ‘Was Michael Jackson Framed?’ – Jordan Chandler only claimed to have been molested by Jackson after Evan – a dentist by trade – plied him with a mind-bending drug called sodium amytal, which is known to induce false memory syndrome.

Even once Jordan Chandler began to toe his father’s line, his testimony was so unconvincing that DA Tom Sneddon took his case to three separate grand juries and none of them allowed him to bring charges against Michael Jackson. Contrary to widely reported myth, Jordan Chandler did not accurately describe Jackson’s genitals. Among other inaccuracies, he claimed that Jackson was circumcised while police photographs proved that he was not.

Unsurprisingly, none of this information has made its way into the mainstream media’s reportage of Evan Chandler’s death. Instead, Chandler’s suicide is seen as another opportunity to sling mud at Michael Jackson and perpetuate the same, tired old myths about the 1993 allegations – particularly with regard to the settlement.

News outlets the world over are once more reporting that in 1994 Jackson paid the Chandlers a settlement. This is total fiction.

Court documents which came to light in 2005 state clearly that Jackson’s insurance carrier “negotiated and paid the settlement over the protests of Mr Jackson and his personal legal counsel.”

Jackson didn’t even agree with the settlement, let alone pay it.

Amongst the publications that rehashed this age old nonsense was The Sun, to which I often contribute as a Michael Jackson expert. I was contacted yesterday and asked to provide information about Evan Chandler and the 1993 allegations, which I did. However, none of my information was used – most likely because it reflected too well on Jackson. Myths that imply Jackson’s guilt are evidently more important than truths which exonerate him.

Noticing that The Sun’s article on Chandler’s suicide contained several factual inaccuracies (most promintently that Jordy initiated the claims of molestation and that Jackson paid the family a settlement) I contacted two members of staff at the newspaper – my usual contact and the journalist who wrote the article. Neither email was replied and the article was not changed.

Elsewhere, The Mirror ranked several places higher on the adbsurdity scale as it attempted to portray Chandler as a martyr of some kind. ‘Michael Jackson sex case dad Evan Chandler wanted justice but ended up destroyed’, read the headline.

Justice?

If Evan Chandler had wanted justice, why did he contact Jackson and ask for a three-movie script deal before he went to the police? If he wanted justice, why did he accept a settlement from Jackson’s insurance carrier?

Indeed, the settlement included a clause which stated that accepting the payment in lieu of a civil trial would not affect the family’s ability to testify in a criminal case. So if Evan Chandler wanted justice, why didn’t he allow the police to press ahead with their investigation?

The headline, along with much of the article, is nonsense.

Having taken Jackson’s insurance carrier for just under $15million (not the $20million usually alluded to by the press), in 1996 Evan Chandler tried to sue Jackson for a further $60million after claiming that the star’s album HIStory was a breach of the settlement’s confidentiality clause. In addition to trying to sue Jackson, Chandler requested that the court allow him to produce a rebuttal album called EVANstory.

Yes, really.

So the man who The Mirror claims only ‘wanted justice’ thought that the best course of action after the initial media storm died down would be to release an album of music about the supposed abuse of his pre-pubescent son.

The Mirror alluded to the fact that relations between Jordan and his parents were strained after 1993, but laid the blame at Jackson’s door, claiming that the trauma of the case had driven them apart.

In actuality, Jordan Chandler went to court when he was 16 and gained legal emancipation from both of his parents. When called to appear at Jackson’s 2005 trial, he refused to testify against his former friend. Had he taken the stand, Jackson’s legal team had a number of witnesses who were prepared to testify that Jordan – who now lives in Long Island under an assumed name – had told them in recent years that he hated his parents for what they made him say in 1993, and that Michael Jackson had never touched him.

The evidence surrounding the 1993 allegations overwhelmingly supports Michael Jackson’s innocence. It is for this reason that during the lengthy investigation, which continued for many months before Jackson’s insurance carrier negotiated a settlement, Michael Jackson was never arrested and he was never charged with any crime.

(continued below)

[HolyMoly]

The evidence overwhelmingly suggests that Evan Chandler masterminded the allegations as a money making scheme, believing it would help him to achieve his dream of working in Hollywood. Tape recorded telephone conversations heard him dismiss the boy’s wellbeing as ‘irrelevant’ and claim that he was out to take Jackson for all he was worth. (Click here for Mary Fischer’s GQ article, which contains transcripts of the telephone calls.)

Mary Fischer’s evidence shows that as well as falsifying the sexual abuse of his own son in an elaborate extortion plot, when Jordan refused to play along Evan plied him with mind-altering drugs in a bid to trick him into believing that he was molested.

But even drugging a child as part of an extortion plot wasn’t Evan Chandler’s lowest point. That came when he petitioned the court to allow him to release an album of music about the supposed sexual abuse of his own son.

If Evan Chandler wanted justice, he got it two weeks ago.

As for the media, this latest incident cements once more the industry’s almost total unwillingness to report fairly or accurately on Michael Jackson, particularly on the bogus allegations of sexual abuse that were levelled against him. None of the aforementioned information and evidence was included in any article about Chandler’s suicide that I have read so far, despite the fact that I personally delivered it to at least one newspaper which has repeatedly paid me as a Jackson expert on other stories.

Exculpatory facts are overlooked in favour of salacious myths. A black humanitarian is tarred as a paedophile and his white extortionist is painted as a martyr.

As for Jordy Chandler, maybe with his father gone he will find the courage to do the honourable thing. Perhaps he will surface somewhere and tell the world what he’s been telling his friends for over a decade now – that Michael Jackson never laid a finger on him. Until then, I suspect he will live with the same torment that it seems eventually claimed his father, suspiciously soon after the demise of the biggest victim in all of this; Michael Jackson.

Reprinted with permission.

[Xenam]

IMO the most telling statement about the extortion came from June Chandler's attorney and keep in mind he would have been privy to all the alleged evidence against MJ. There was also a tape made by David Schwartz which captured a conversation between Evan Chandler and Barry Rothman planning the extortion as well as a "hypothetical" letter they attained through a child psychologist who was unaware that Evan was referring to his own son which was used to try to extort money from MJ PRIOR to them making any accusations. (2nd link) Excerpt from Geraldine Hughes' book (Barry Rothman's legal secretary). David Schwartz knowingly taped this conversation and turned it over to MJ's legal team.

Excerpt from J Randy Taraborelli's book p544:

Attorney Michael Freeman, who had represented June Chanlder-Schwartz, says that, in his opinion, Michael was innocent of any wrong-doing. "I think he was wrongly accused," said the attorney. I believe that Evan Chandler and Barry Rothman saw an opportunity and went for it. That is my personally held opinion. I believe it was all about money and their strategy, obviously worked.

Excerpt from Geraldine Hughes' book:

Pellicano stated that the allegations of child molestation were the result of a failed twenty million dollar extortion attempt. He specifically stated that because Michael Jackson refused to pay the twenty million dollars, his refusal resulted in child molestation allegations being launched. I documented the last meeting between Mr. Pellicano and Mr. Rothman [the accuser’s first attorney] in my diary, which took place in Mr. Rothman’s office on Friday, August 13 1993. Mr. Pellicano stormed out of the office saying, “no way.” That following Tuesday, August 17 1993, Dr. Chandler took his son to see the psychiatrist who reported the child molestation allegations to the authorities. What if Michael Jackson had agreed to pay the twenty million dollars? Would Dr. Chandler not have taken his boy to the psychiatrist? Could the visit to the psychiatrist in some way be a part of their plan? Make a mental note about this point which will be discussed in detail later on. …The highlights of the extortion case were the sophisticated investigation work done by Mr. Pellicano’s office. It was Mr. Pellicano’s office that secured the audio taped conversation between Mr. Schwartz and Dr. Chandler and later the recorded conversation between Mr. Pellicano and Mr. Rothman.

http://mjthekingofpop.eu/2009/01/16/extracts-from-redemption-the-thruth-behind-the-michael-jackson-child-molestation-allegations-by-geraldine-hughes/

Tape Recording:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnubxWTWf_4

Transcript of tape:

- Chandler’s behavior prompted Jackson to hire lawyer Bert Fields and Private Investigator Anthony Pellicano. Taking Pellicano’s advice, Jordan Chandler’s stepfather Dave Schwartz recorded a telephone conversation that took place between him and Evan Chandler. On the tape, Chandler said:

“I had good communication with Michael. We were friends. I like him and I respect him and everything else for what he is. There was no reason why he had to stop calling me. I sat in the room one day and talked to Michael and told him exactly what I want out of this whole relationship. I’ve been rehearsed about what to say and not to say.”

“[Jackson] broke up the family. [Jordan] has been seduced by this guy’s power and money.”

“I am prepared to move against Michael Jackson. It’s already set. There are other people involved that are waiting for my phone call that are in certain positions. I’ve paid them to do it. Everything’s going according to a certain plan that isn’t just mine. Once I make that phone call, this guy is going to destroy everybody in sight in any devious, nasty, cruel way that he can do it. And I’ve given him full authority to do that.”

“And if I go through with this, I win big-time. There’s no way I lose. I’ve checked that inside out. I will get everything I want, and they will be destroyed forever. June will lose [custody of the son] and Michael’s career will be over.”

“[Jordan's welfare is] irrelevant to me. It’s going to be bigger than all of us put together. The whole thing is going to crash down on everybody and destroy everybody in sight. It will be a massacre if I don’t get what I want.”

“This attorney I found, I picked the nastiest son of a b**** I could find. All he wants to do is get this out in the public as fast as he can, as big as he can, and humiliate as many people as he can. He’s nasty, he’s mean, he’s very smart, and he’s hungry for the publicity.”

http://floacist.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/the1993-allegations-read-about-the-controversial-drug-that-was-given-to-jacksons-first-accuser/

[HolyMoly]

Hunting Season Open: Ducks, Rabbits, Deer, Michael Jackson...
by Linda Sharp

November 20, 2003

Some things in the media are very predictable, almost laughably so. Take the results of any reality TV dating program. Viewers know, long before the final rose is given out, who the Bachelor is going to choose. But because network bigwigs know how boring our own little lives are, they give us something to live for in the form of a "multinude" of bodies romancing via a hot tub. How considerate, how thoughtful, how ratings oriented.

How about the predictability of celebrities popping up in ads for everything from telephone service to Twix bars? Take Old Navy ads for example. I had still not figured out the whole Morgan Fairchild connection from last season, when wha t to my wondering eyes should appear? A Lil Kim rapper dressed up in ski gear. Lil Kim? Sweaters? Cargo pants? A bra? Yeah, I'm believing that this icon of "you are what you don't wear" is out clubbing in snow boots and a fleece hoodie.

OK, maybe I didn't see that coming, but there is one recent occurrence that simply has not surprised me at all. It was only a matter of time. A cyclical event, akin to full moons and celestial bodies. Only what is blinding me is not a solar eclipse, but the burning in effigy, once again, of a superstar.

Michael Jackson, accused of child molestation. And while the word accused should imply the pointing of a finger and what should be an "innocent until proven guilty" mentality, the media has done what they do best. They have displayed a willingness to forgo even a modicum of neutrality or objectivity, in favor of ratings. Sell the sizzle, not the steak guys, because when all is said and done, just like last time, that's all there is going to be.

As predictable as "Open Season" on Mr. Jackson has become, what is most notable is the fact that it has taken this long for another unscrupulous set of adults to emerge, willing to use a child for monetary gain. I mean what's a little pimping of your own child if you can grab millions of dollars? What it is, complete lack of evidence aside, is a very telling sign that some people are unscrupulous, unfeeling and undeserving to parent the children they exploit.

I said it last time, if I truly believed that someone had abused my child in any way, the only thing I would want are their eyeballs on a stick. No amount of money would ever make me "go away".

I don't think people realize how easy it is to level an allegation of this type and destroy a person's life. Anyone, at any time can go to authorities and accuse another person of mole station of a child. It is a serious, no tolerance crime, as well it should be, and one that must be taken seriously by prosecutors. And even in those instances when all investigations are exhausted and a person is proven innocent, the damage is irreversible.

But the dividends for the accuser can be just as life altering.

Millions of dollars are an appealing prospect to anyone, but personally I'd rather take my chances on a lottery ticket, not a person's life. Unfortunately for the people behind these current accusations, and I say people, because it is not the child spearheading this assault, they may have to settle for lottery tickets too. Michael Jackson will not throw money again to make people go away and regain some peace in his life. Once blackmailed, twice shy, you know.

That's not to say he won't be found guilty of certain things. They will dig and find he is a serial humanitarian. They will investigate and come up with evidence to prove he is the 20th century's leading champion of children around the world. And they will run every forensic test possible and come up with the irrefutable proof that he is human, just like you and me. And in the end, they will once again discover, much to their embarrassment, that he is not guilty.

So even though they have declared open season on Michael Jackson, they'd better watch how they take aim. Misloaded weapons have a way of backfiring.

http://www.mjfanclub.net/home/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=386:hunting-season-open-ducks-rabbits-deer-michael-jackson&catid=120:positive-press&Itemid=122

[HolyMoly]

A 1994 Open Letter from Michael Jackson to his critics:

The version I have seen was featured in People's tribute magazine to Michael and shows the letter in his own handwriting (see below).

"Like the old Indian proverb says, do not judge a man until you've walked 2 moons in his mocassins.

Most people don't know me, that is why they write such things in which most is not true.

I cry very often because it hurts and I worry about the children, all my children all over the world. I live for them.

If a man could say nothing against a character but what he can prove, his story could not be written.

Animals strike, not from malice, but because they want to live. It is the same with those who criticize. They desire our blood, not our pain.

But still I must achieve. I must seek truth in all things. I must endure for the power I was sent forth. For the world. For the children.

But have mercy, for I've been bleeding a long time now.


~Michael Jackosn~

[Lilly]

A 1994 Open Letter from Michael Jackson to his critics:

The version I have seen was featured in People's tribute magazine to Michael and shows the letter in his own handwriting (see below).

"Like the old Indian proverb says, do not judge a man until you've walked 2 moons in his mocassins.

Most people don't know me, that is why they write such things in which most is not true.

I cry very often because it hurts and I worry about the children, all my children all over the world. I live for them.

If a man could say nothing against a character but what he can prove, his story could not be written.

Animals strike, not from malice, but because they want to live. It is the same with those who criticize. They desire our blood, not our pain.

But still I must achieve. I must seek truth in all things. I must endure for the power I was sent forth. For the world. For the children.

But have mercy, for I've been bleeding a long time now.


~Michael Jackosn~

Thanks for that HolyMoly. How heartbreaking it is to read those words. They are very true of many celebrities and the hounds that hunt them down, until their eventual demise. You only have to look at Princess Di to see the damage they do.

[HolyMoly]

"I truly care about children, and about the future for our children. I'm a little frightened about what the future is going to bring. I truly, truly love them and care about them. I will always help them. When I go on tour, I visit hospitals, terminally ill children. At my ranch at Neverland, we have many terminally ill children as our guests. We do this every few weeks. You do it because you truly love them and you care."

Answer to a question on the Heal the World website Q & A

"When I see children, I see the face of God. That's why I love them so much. That's what I see."

"Children show me in their playful smiles the divine in everyone. This simple goodness shines straight from their hearts and only asks to be lived."

"I think God outdid Himself when He created children."

"In everything I do, everything from the performance to the songwriting, to the choreography to the directing, everything I do is inspired by little children."

"I’m crazy about them. It is the innocence they have; they are the way I wish the world really was, because they are not phoney and they don’t know prejudice. Prejudice is taught. If the world were full of only children, it would be a much better place......"I’ve always been totally crazy about children. I feel that they are more than just children; that they are all little geniuses and that they have a secret all of their own. A secret that they cannot always express....I studied child psychology because of my love for children – all over the world.....If a kid doesn’t like you, he’ll tell you. But adults pretend and put on phoney ways. I wish the world could be full of children!"

Michael Jackson

From a 1979 "Blues and Soul" Magazine interview

[HolyMoly]

"I'm trying to imitate Jesus in the fact that he said to be like children, to love children, to be as pure as children and to make yourself as innocent and to see the world through eyes of wonderment and the whole magical quality of it all."

Michael Jackson

Oprah Winfrey interview 1993.


On the World's children:

"That consciousness of purity....children have that. I see God in the face of children.....It’s time for the children now. It’s time for us to give them a chance. Like the Bible says, 'A child shall be leader of them all.'"

2003 Living with Michael Jackson documentary


On reports about abducted and murdered children:

"That just kills me, that kind of stuff. So I try not to watch the news. I feel that pain. I feel that. I feel it."

2003 Living with Michael Jackson documentary


On the family bond:

"People don't even eat with their fathers anymore, or their mothers. The family bond has been broken, it's an outcry for attention." (Michael gets emotional here and breaks down)

"Why are kids going to school with guns? They want to be touched, they want to be held, but they [the parents] are busy off on their day job and they leave them at home on the computer and they're just doing all kinds of crazy stuff. And that's destroying our bond. We need to bond again, that's very important."

"I'm just very sensitive to their pain and I am very sensitive to the family, the human condition, you know? On that subject, it means a lot to me and I want to help. Whatever I can to help that..... Everything, in my heart, is for them."

2003 Living with Michael Jackson documentary

[HolyMoly]

On Helping Children:

"My fondest memory here was one night (when) we had a houseful of bald-headed children. They all had cancer. And one little boy turned to me and said, "This is the best day of my life." You had to just hold back the tears."

1993 Who Weekly Magazine


"Every three weeks we have terminally ill children that come to…[the house, from charitable organizations such as Make A Wish Foundation, Dream Street, Starlight etc]...., and these are sick children, children with cancer. And I entertain them. And they come here to enjoy themselves. ... It brings out the child that lives in everybody.... I love rides and things like that and I share it with the children."

"....I love to do things for children and I try to imitate Jesus. And no, I am not saying I am Jesus, I'm not saying that.... I'm trying to imitate Jesus in the fact that he said to be like children, to love children, to be as pure as children, and to make yourself as innocent and to see the world through eyes of wonderment and the whole magical quality of it all and I love that. And we'll have like a hundred bald headed children, they all have cancer, and they're all running around. And they are enjoying themselves and it makes me cry happy tears that I was able to do this for them, you know. (It) makes me so pleased inside."

"... We have children that come who are fed intravenously...they are very sick, bedridden. They can't sit up and these beds, they are hospital beds, you push a button, you go up or you go down and they are able to watch. We have a magic show, we show the current films, there's cartoons, anything so that they can escape to that world of magic that they don't have a chance to experience, the world I was deprived of when I was little."

1993 TV Interview with Oprah


On Bela Farkas, a 4 year-old patient in need of a liver transplant that Michael and his foundation helped find a liver for and saved his life:

"I saw this little kid (at a hospital in Budapest, Hungary), his name was Farkas. He was very sick. He was green in the face. But he had this glow, this sparkle in his eye. I asked his nurse, "What’s wrong with this kid?" She said that he needs a liver. So I said, "Does that mean he’s gonna die?" She said, "Yes, he’s gonna die unless he gets a liver". I said, I’m not gonna let him die. This sweet, sweet angel. No matter what it takes, I’m gonna find a liver for him. So I sent my ("Heal The World") organization around the world. We went all over the place and it took a long time. And I said, I’m not giving up. I’m not going to have the child die. I was so happy when I got a phone call. They told me, "We’ve found a liver!" And he has his life. I’m so proud that I could help him. God bless him. I love you, Farkas."

2003 Private Home Movies TV Special


Why Helping Children is so important to him:

"I didn’t have a childhood. But, when you don’t have a childhood like people like myself and other child stars, you try to compensate for the loss, for, later on, you try to catch up. That’s why you see, like you may see a theme park or amusement rides, that type of environment at my home. But what I like to do is help other children who are less fortunate than I am. You know, kids who are terminally ill, kids who have diseases, poor children from the inner cities, the ghettos, to let them see the mountains, or to let see or go on the rides, or to watch a movie or to have some ice cream or something."

2005 Keep Hope Alive radio interview with Jesse Jackson

[HolyMoly]

Disadvantaged children and his benefit missions towards them:

"I get frighetened and hurt easily and the news frightens me very much, even if I’m not involved in somebody else’s problem. At Big Bear Lake I heard on the news that this little boy had his Christmas a month ahead of time, and Santa Claus was at his house, because he only had a week to live. Sure enough, in that week, he died – and that just got me so bad."

"I meet children like that all the time when we visit the hospitals. The doctors and nurse ask them, "You can go anywhere you want or do or see anything – what do you want?" And these kids request to meet the Jacksons. They say "You’ve got to meet this girl, she’s going to die tomorrow and ever since she’s been out of surgery she’s been calling your name." And, God, I just feel so wonderful to be a part of somebody’s ultimate dream. All my lifetime of work is rewarded."

"I tell the kids "I’ll see you next year", and sometimes the thought that I’ll be back next year makes them hang on. That’s happened several times. People told me this girl was about to die, but I kept running into her three years in a row – and the fourth year she died. The doctors couldn’t do anything, and for me to come in and help give her the gift of life really makes me feel good."

"Some people are chosen to do these things. These children will be drowsy, but Danny Kaye [a late American award-winning actor, singer and comedian] will come in and tell stories and make faces, and these kids will become so cheerful. Bill Cosby [an American comedian, actor and activist] is known for his ways with children, too. Nurses and doctors are totally amazed at the power of these people."

"I get a taste of poverty, too. When I go to a country – like in the Phillippines and in Trinidad and in Africa – I really get out and go to the poor sections and talk to the people. I sit in their little huts, their cardboard houses, and I make myself at home. I think it’s important to know how different people feel, especially in my field of endeavor."

"The head of the section will call all the poor people out and tell them who’s here to see them, and it feels good to know that they know who you are. I don’t think I’m better than other people, I think I’m different from other people, because I do different things. I shake all their hands, and they follow me wherever I go. Then they see my camera around my neck and they’ll start touching it and begging me to take their picture. When we first went to Africa, we took the kind of camera that has instant pictures, and they’d never seen anything like that. They were jumping up and down and screaming."



1980 Melody Maker music newspaper

[HolyMoly]

On His Destiny & Mission, and God choosing people to do certain things:

"I really believe that God chooses people to do certain things, the way Michelangelo or Leonardo da Vinci or Mozart or Muhammad Ali or Martin Luther King is chosen. And that is their mission to do that thing. And I think that I haven't scratched the surface yet of what my real purpose is for being here.

I'm committed to my art. I believe that all art has as its ultimate goal the union between the material and the spiritual, the human and the divine. And I believe that that is the very reason for the existence of art and what I do. And I feel fortunate in being that instrument through which music flows .... Deep inside I feel that this world we live in is really a big, huge, monumental symphonic orchestra. I believe that in its primordial form all of creation is sound and that it's not just random sound, that its music. You've heard the expression, music of the spheres? Well, thats a very literal phrase. In the Gospels, we read, "And the Lord God made man from the dust of the earth and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul." That breath of life to me is the music of life and it permeates every fiber of creation.

In one of the pieces of the Dangerous album, I say: "Life songs of ages, throbbing in my blood, have danced the rhythm of the tide and flood." This is a very literal statement, because the same new miracle intervals and biological rhythms that sound out the architecture of my DNA also governs the movement of the stars. The same music governs the rhythm of the seasons, the pulse of our heartbeats, the migration of birds, the ebb and flow of ocean tides, the cycles of growth, evolution and dissolution. It's music, its rhythm. And my goal in life is to give to the world what I was lucky to receive: the ecstasy of divine union through my music and my dance. Its like, my purpose, its what I'm here for."



Ebony/Jet 2002 interview

[Nic99]

You can literally feel the pain in those words can't you. He suffered and he is trying to compensate to other children for some of the stuff he went through, at the hands of his 'dear' Father imo. He loved all children (and not in a bad way) and wanted to give them something back. The world has lost a genuine, talented, person and has changed without him in it.

[HolyMoly]

Children, Animals and Creativity (and his interaction with the audience):

"Well, there's a certain sense that animals and children have that gives me a certain creative juice, a certain force that later on in adulthood is kind of lost because of the conditioning that happens in the world.

A great poet said once. "When I see children, I see that God has not yet given up on man." An Indian poet from India said that, and his name is Tagore.

The innocence of children represents to me the source of infinite creativity. That is the potential of every human being. But by the time you are an adult, you're conditioned; you're so conditioned by the things about you--and it goes.

Love. Children are loving, they don't gossip, they don't complain, they're just open-hearted. They're ready for you. They don't judge. They don't see things by way of color. They're very child-like. Thats the problem with adults: they lose that child-like quality. And thats the level of inspiration that's so needed and is so important for creating and writing songs and for a sculptor, a poet or a novelist. It's that same Idnd of innocence, that same level of consciousness, that you create from. And kids have it. I feel it right away from animals and children and nature. Of course.

And when I'm on stage. I can't perform if I don't have that kind of ping pong with the crowd. You know the kind of cause and effect action, reaction. Because I play off of them. They're really feeding me and I'm just acting from their energy."

Ebony/Jet 2002 interview


"I find in animals the same thing I find so wonderful in children. That purity, that honesty, where they don't judge you, they just want to be your friend. I think that is so sweet."

1993 TV Interview with Oprah


His Animals:

"God created animals. And they’re loving; they’re beautiful. I feel the way (anthropologist) Jane Goodall does or any of those naturalists. I don’t find my interest in animals weird or strange at all."

1999 TV Guide Magazine


On animal hunting and his animals:

"I hate it. I hate taxidermy shops and all that crap."

"I have two baby deer, one’s a boy and one’s a girl. They’re so sweet. They’re gorgeous. I have a llama. I have a sheep – he looks just like a ram with the horns. Louie is from the circus. He’s the llama. The ram is called Mr. Tibbs and the fawns are Prince and Princess."

1982 Interview Magazine


Nature and Animals:

"...I enjoy nature too much.... I know the tree feels it when the wind blows through it. It probably goes, "Ohhhh, this is wonderful." And that’s how I feel when I’m singing some songs. It’s wonderful."

"Plus, I’m crazy for birds and animals and puppies. And I love exotic things. I’ve had llamas, peacocks, a rhea, which is the second largest bird in the world, a macaw, which is the largest parrot from South America, pheasants, racoons, chickens….everything. Now, I’m gonna get a faun. And a flamingo.... I want a chimpanzee – they’re so sweet. Oh, I have such a good time with the animals. I have a wonderful relationship with animals, they really understand me.... I’d like to get into the whole veterinarian thing and learn the behaviour of animals. Dogs may see in black and white. Dogs might even see the wind. And what about the king cobra – what makes him come up when they play that pipe?"

"And the whales. From the top of my brother’s beach house, we look out and see them spouting."

1980 Melody Maker music newspaper

[HolyMoly]

You can literally feel the pain in those words can't you. He suffered and he is trying to compensate to other children for some of the stuff he went through, at the hands of his 'dear' Father imo. He loved all children (and not in a bad way) and wanted to give them something back. The world has lost a genuine, talented, person and has changed without him in it.

Hi Nic:

Happy Holidays. I hope you are making it through the season okay. I always love seeing your posts.

Thank you.

[HolyMoly]

His reasons for inviting inner-city children to Neverland and winning God's smile of approval:

"I’ve traveled the world over 8 times. I do as many hospitals and orphanages as I do concerts. But, of course, it’s not covered (by the press). That’s not why I do it, for coverage. I do it because it’s from my heart. And there are so many children in the city who haven’t seen the mountains, who haven’t been on a carousel, who haven’t pet a horse or a llama, never seen them, so if I can open my gates and see that bliss, an explosion of screaming laughter from the children and they run on the rides, I say "Thank you, God." I feel I’ve won God’s smile of approval, because I’m doing something that brings joy and happiness to other people."

2005 At Large with Geraldo Rivera TV Interview



Man in the Mirror:

"It is my philosophy, too: "If you want to make the world a better place, take a look at yourself, and then make a change". People don’t look at themselves honestly. They don’t look at themselves and point the finger, it’s always the other guy’s fault. You should change yourself. Look at yourself, make better of yourself....I’m never totally satisfied, I always wish the world could be a better place. No, not at all!...Hopefully, that’s what I do with my music, and bring happiness to people...and to bring joy and some peace in their lives."


1987 Ebony/JET TV interview

[Nic99]

Oh shucks thanks, I don't post much these days, unless I feel really passionate about something and I do feel passionate about this. Don't think I've posted with you before, but thanks for the links and the information and the excellent information and directness you give us about MJ.

Hope you enjoyed your Christmas and a Very Happy New Year!!:wub:

[HolyMoly]

On the Accusations, the Trial & His Faith in God:


"Everyone who knows me will know the truth, which is that my children come first in my life and that I would never harm any child."

Michael Jackson


"Before I would hurt a child, I would slit my wrists."

Michael Jackson


"I will say again that I have never, and would never, harm a child. It sickens me that people have written untrue things about me."

Michael Jackson


"I gain strength from God. I believe in Jehovah, God, very much. And I gain strength from the fact that I know that I am innocent. None of these stories are true. They are totally fabricated. It's very sad and it's very, very painful. I pray a lot and that's how I deal with it. I'm a strong person. I'm a warrior, and I know what is inside of me. I'm a fighter, but it's very painful and at the end of the day, I'm still human, you know? I'm still a human being, so it does hurt very, very, very much."

Michael Jackson in his interview with the Rev. Jesse Jackson during the 2005 child molestation trial


"Know, in the end, I'll be vindicated, I pray, because I know the truth. I am an innocent person and I believe in God and love God."

"My level of trust will change. There's a lot of conspiracy going on, I'll say that much. A lot of it. All around me....It's a very, very serious thing......It's a delicate area. It's very delicate where we are now."


Michael Jackson speaking to Rev. Jesse Jackson during his 2005 child molestation trial on what he wants his fans to know.

[HolyMoly]

On his children:

"There is no miracle in life that compares with watching your child come into the world. I love family life....everything about it. I want them to grow up being surrounded by love and by family."

"I love and adore my children. They mean everything to me. When they’re in public though, I conceal their faces, cause I want my children protected. At home, they have a normal life, they play with other kids and they have a good time, they’re laughing a lot. They run around, they even go to school. It’s a normal life for them. But in public, I must protect them. I love my children very much, and I’m proud to be their dad."

2003 Private Home Movies TV Special[/I

"Well, I enjoy taking care of my children myself. It's fun. It's why I had them. So I could take care of them. It's great relief for me. It's pleasure. It keeps me happy and laughing. They're wonderful, sweet, innocent children. They really are.

It's hard to put in words, because they mean everything. They're the world for me. I wake up and I'm ready for the day because of them. I get them breakfast, I change diapers, if they want to read, we do a lot of reading, we play hide and seek, we play blind fold, and I have a wonderful time with them.

[I]Interview with Geraldo Rivera 2005


What his children have taught him:

"A lot. (Parenthood) reminds you to do what the Bible has always taught us. When the apostles were arguing among themselves over who was the greatest in Jesus’ eyes, he said, "None of you", and called over a little boy and said, "Until you humble yourself like this child." It reminds you to be kind and humble and to see things through the eyes of children with a childlike wonderment. I still have that. I’m still fascinated by the clouds and the sunset. I was making wishes on the rainbow yesterday. I saw the meteor shower. I made a wish every time I saw a shooting star."

2001 USA Today Magazine

[HolyMoly]

On what he would like to be remembered for / his legacy he wants to leave:

"Helping – especially children."

1991 Upscale Magazine


How he would like to be remembered:

"As a person who came and brought light to the world, some escapism. Also, as the voice for the voiceless children, because I love them. I'm living for the children. If it weren't for the kids, I would throw in the towel. A baby, a child – now, that's amazing. They're little geniuses, you know, little geniuses. They really are."

2002 Gold Magazine


Words of Wisdom, Inspiration and Misc. Quotes:

"The meaning of life is contained in every single expression of life. It is present in the infinity of forms and phenomena that exist in all of creation."

"The greatest education in the world is watching the masters at work."

“In a world filled with hate, we must still dare to hope. In a world filled with anger, we must still dare to comfort. In a world filled with despair, we must still dare to dream. And in a world filled with distrust, we must still dare to believe.”

“And my goal in life is to give to the world what I was lucky to receive: the ecstasy of divine union through my music and my dance.”

[HolyMoly]

All of the above came from here:

http://www.reflectionsonthedance.com/index.html

[HolyMoly]

I hope Doctor Murray and his attorney had the best Christmas ever.:thumbsup:


Oh.. are they a couple now? I;m sure it was better than Prince, Paris, or Blanket's.

[HolyMoly]

Prosecutors have decided they won’t pursue second-degree murder charges against Conrad Murray for Michael Jackson's death, reports Gerald Posner, and will instead seek a manslaughter indictment.

The Los Angeles District Attorney’s team probing the death of Michael Jackson has decided not to pursue murder charges against the singer’s doctor when it presents its case to a grand jury early next year, a source familiar with the investigation tells The Daily Beast.

Instead, the source says, the DA will likely ask for a manslaughter indictment against Conrad Murray, Jackson’s in-house physician when he died. In cases like this in California, it is ultimately up to the grand jury to decide what the final charges are, but in the large majority of cases, they defer to the prosecutor’s request.

What had seemed like a straightforward case has proven more difficult than many in the prosecutor’s office initially envisioned.

While the DA officially has no on-the-record comment regarding the ongoing investigation, this source adds that what had seemed like a straightforward case has proven more difficult than many in the prosecutor’s office initially envisioned. Charges are now expected, he says, in February “at the earliest” and “possibly even a few months more.” One informal deadline is to try and have the criminal case officially under way—a preliminary hearing on the charges—before the first anniversary of Jackson’s death in June.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-12-28/source-jackson-doc-wont-face-murder/?cid=hp:mainpromo5

[Firehead11]

Prosecutors have decided they won’t pursue second-degree murder charges against Conrad Murray for Michael Jackson's death, reports Gerald Posner, and will instead seek a manslaughter indictment.

The Los Angeles District Attorney’s team probing the death of Michael Jackson has decided not to pursue murder charges against the singer’s doctor when it presents its case to a grand jury early next year, a source familiar with the investigation tells The Daily Beast.

Instead, the source says, the DA will likely ask for a manslaughter indictment against Conrad Murray, Jackson’s in-house physician when he died. In cases like this in California, it is ultimately up to the grand jury to decide what the final charges are, but in the large majority of cases, they defer to the prosecutor’s request.

What had seemed like a straightforward case has proven more difficult than many in the prosecutor’s office initially envisioned.

While the DA officially has no on-the-record comment regarding the ongoing investigation, this source adds that what had seemed like a straightforward case has proven more difficult than many in the prosecutor’s office initially envisioned. Charges are now expected, he says, in February “at the earliest” and “possibly even a few months more.” One informal deadline is to try and have the criminal case officially under way—a preliminary hearing on the charges—before the first anniversary of Jackson’s death in June.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-12-28/source-jackson-doc-wont-face-murder/?cid=hp:mainpromo5

I compared the Anna Nicole Smith case against the Jackson HOMICIDE. CA must be a very confused state. Good thing I don't live in Texas or CA.

[HolyMoly]

I compared the Anna Nicole Smith case against the Jackson HOMICIDE. CA must be a very confused state. Good thing I don't live in Texas or CA.


The California authorities hated MJ, and probably hate the idea of charging Murray with anything. LAPD has always been corrupt. The District Attorney is unbalanced and vindictive. I have little hope for justice here.

imo...of course.

ps.. yes, the other post is bait.

[Unperson1984]

I always felt that proving the necessary intent to sustain a 2nd degree murder charge was going to be impossible.

I would rather see a conviction for manslaughter than an acquittal for 2nd degree.

IMO

[HolyMoly]

I always felt that proving the necessary intent to sustain a 2nd degree murder charge was going to be impossible.

I would rather see a conviction for manslaughter than an acquittal for 2nd degree.

IMO

Is a doctor permitted to practice medicine with a manslaughter conviction on his record?

Any conviction would prevent him from making money from his new reality tv show. Is that correct?

[Unperson1984]

Is a doctor permitted to practice medicine with a manslaughter conviction on his record?

Any conviction would prevent him from making money from his new reality tv show. Is that correct?

There are too many unknown facts to answer your first question.

The answer to the second question is no, he can make money from a reality show. However if the Jackson family files and wins a wrongful death action any earnings could be attached to satisfy the judgement.

Happy Holidays HolyMoly!

[HolyMoly]

There are too many unknown facts to answer your first question.

The answer to the second question is no, he can make money from a reality show. However if the Jackson family files and wins a wrongful death action any earnings could be attached to satisfy the judgement.

Happy Holidays HolyMoly!


Thank you. And Happy Holidays to you and your family, Unperson.
:smile:

[HolyMoly]

MJ doctor shopped and got whatever he wanted. He was a drug addict and it eventually killed him.

He hired a doctor to keep him alive, not to kill him. That's why it's a homicide and not a suicide. And its not a good excuse for the cold hearted post.

imo...of course.

[Xenam]

I always felt that proving the necessary intent to sustain a 2nd degree murder charge was going to be impossible.

I would rather see a conviction for manslaughter than an acquittal for 2nd degree.

IMO

I agree with your take on this. I do hope he eventually gets charged AND convicted on manslaughter. JMO

Happy Holidays Unperson :) Haven't seen you much lately.

[Xenam]

MJ doctor shopped and got whatever he wanted. He was a drug addict and it eventually killed him.

Doctors are upheld to a higher standard of care. While MJ may have been a drug addict at one time or another; to our knowledge thus far, every drug was administered by Dr Murray which caused his death and diprivan was not used according to its labeled instructions. JMO

[HolyMoly]

WATCH: Spike Lee Directs Michael Jackson Video



http://www.spin.com/articles/watch-spike-lee-directs-michael-jackson-video

[Xenam]

WATCH: Spike Lee Directs Michael Jackson Video

http://www.spin.com/articles/watch-spike-lee-directs-michael-jackson-video

Just awesome. :) I actually sent Spike Lee an email months ago to ask if he would do a documentary of MJ's life including the false allegations based on what is known. Never got a response. :(

It did not come back as undeliverable and this is the one I used:

dothebadthing'89@ymail.com

[HolyMoly]

I actually sent Spike Lee an email months ago to ask if he would do a documentary of MJ's life including the false allegations based on what is known. Never got a response. :(

Someone is doing one that is supposed to be out in April. I think its that guy that was married to Liza.

[Kathlb]

He hired a doctor to keep him alive, not to kill him. That's why it's a homicide and not a suicide. And its not a good excuse for the cold hearted post.

imo...of course.

I was under the assumption that according to Coldwater, we are not allowed to print items in full form or partial over the allowed length on this message board, even with links at the bottom to the original article. If you do, you are also subject to law suits. Not IN Sessions. You could also be accused of spamming. You might want to contact a moderator and get rid of these posts where you print material from other sites. MOO

Here is a link to the TOS and a quote from about halfway down. Coldwater has warned us more recently also and said that In Sessions is not liable...we are.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/archive/index.php/t-349418.html

Users are solely responsible for anything contained in their message board and/or chat sessions. TruTV does not verify, endorse or otherwise vouch for the contents of any message board or chat room. Users may be held legally liable for the contents of their message board and chat sessions, and may be held legally if their message board or chat sessions include, for example, material protected by copyright trademark, patent, or trade secret law without permission of the author or owner, or defamatory comments.

[HolyMoly]

I was under the assumption that according to Coldwater, we are not allowed to print items in full form or partial over the allowed length on this message board, even with links at the bottom to the original article. If you do, you are also subject to law suits. Not IN Sessions. You could also be accused of spamming. You might want to contact a moderator and get rid of these posts where you print material from other sites. MOO

Here is a link to the TOS and a quote from about halfway down. Coldwater has warned us more recently also and said that In Sessions is not liable...we are.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/archive/index.php/t-349418.html



So which post are you having a problem with? CW has the power to delete anything she feels is inappropriate.

The only one I copied was with the permission of the author, as so stated in the post. The other's are the words of Michael Jackson.

[Xenam]

Someone is doing one that is supposed to be out in April. I think its that guy that was married to Liza.

Yea - that would be David Gest but I think he is doing a documentary based on his friendship with MJ. MJ was best man at DG's wedding.

"David is currently putting the finishing touches to his brand new 90-minute special 'David Gest: My Best Friend Michael' which will feature unseen footage of the 'Thriller' singer and a never-before-seen interview between David and Michael.

David said: "Michael was my best friend and was much tougher than people know. He had a great sense of humour and was never one to mince words - especially in business. My new TV special will show the world the real Michael Jackson as you've never seen him before."

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/david-gest-responsible-for-surgery_1125125

[Nic99]

Yea - that would be David Gest but I think he is doing a documentary based on his friendship with MJ. MJ was best man at DG's wedding.

"David is currently putting the finishing touches to his brand new 90-minute special 'David Gest: My Best Friend Michael' which will feature unseen footage of the 'Thriller' singer and a never-before-seen interview between David and Michael.

David said: "Michael was my best friend and was much tougher than people know. He had a great sense of humour and was never one to mince words - especially in business. My new TV special will show the world the real Michael Jackson as you've never seen him before."

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/david-gest-responsible-for-surgery_1125125

That should be interesting. I must admit David Gest grew on me after watching him on I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here! He came across as a very genuine likeable chap, and you can't keep up any falsities for very long under the conditions they were in. I will look forward to watching that if I can over here - hope so.

[Firehead11]

WATCH: Spike Lee Directs Michael Jackson Video



http://www.spin.com/articles/watch-spike-lee-directs-michael-jackson-video

Thanks for posting this, it was a powerful tribute in such a subtle way.

[HolyMoly]

Thanks for posting this, it was a powerful tribute in such a subtle way.


I liked it. I liked the part with the Stop sign that says "the hating" on it.

[who_is_it]

WATCH: Spike Lee Directs Michael Jackson Video



http://www.spin.com/articles/watch-spike-lee-directs-michael-jackson-video

Unlike the movie this video makes me very sad. It's a sad video though the pictures are beautiful.

I like the part which shows the fans with the "ma ma se ma ma sa ma ma ma coo sa" signs.

I would be interested if Spike Lee was befriended with Michael or "just" fa big fan. He attended the memorial and if I remember it correctly at the funeral as well.

[HolyMoly]

MJ's Brothers, Janet May Have Estate Claim

Posted Dec 28th 2009 3:10PM by TMZ Staff

Michael Jackson's sister, Janet, along with brothers, Jackie, Tito, Jermaine, Marlon and Randy, are all listed as possible creditors in the Michael Jackson estate case -- this, according to documents obtained by TMZ.



http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/28/michael-jackson-janet-jackson-randy-jackson-tito-jackie-jermaine-jackson-marlon-randy-estate-creditors-claim/

[RootBeer]

TVone is showing the 30th anniversary MJ show.

Marlon is my fav.

[Nic99]

I agree with HolyMoly. HM is posting MJ's words and different factual sites, so I see no reason to disagree. We were lucky to have MJ in our lives and he was acquitted of any wrong doing, so you need to get over that and move on......

[HolyMoly]

I agree with HolyMoly. HM is posting MJ's words and different factual sites, so I see no reason to disagree. We were lucky to have MJ in our lives and he was acquitted of any wrong doing, so you need to get over that and move on......



Thank you Nic. I don't understand those who don't want to read the truth about MJ, or decent things, don't just move forward, without having to voice complaint with anything that doesn't slander the poor dead man. I appreciate your kind words.
:smile:

[HolyMoly]

JOE JACKSON'S ATTORNEY ON PROBATION


MICHAEL JACKSON's father JOE JACKSON has suffered another setback in his bid to receive a monthly stipend from his son’s estate - his attorney's law license has been placed on probation for two years.



http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/joe-jacksons-attorney-on-probation_1127052

[Nic99]

I don't know how much longer any moderator is going to allow the name calling to continue before shutting down the board. No matter how many links you are given to read, you stand by your OPINION. I also do not know how long the moderators are going to allow the slanderous statements that are being made against Jackson. The man is dead in an act of homicide. He has paid the ultimate price for his choices in life. IMO, now Murray should also pay a price.

And we keep going around in circles. If you like Murray so much, why not start a thread on him and the good he has done for the world? Why not start a fan club?

ITA with you, however, I think it would be a real shame if this thread was closed down and hope that people can respect the facts, which are provided in well researched links.

[who_is_it]

I still miss Michael Jackson. I was watching something on TV (might have been the Joy Behar Show last night) and they were asking their "guests" what the most prolific event of 2009 was...I couldn't believe nobody mentioned the death of Michael Jackson AND the amount of responsibility Dr Murray should be holding for this. Yes MJ was a drug addict, but Murray was an enabler and was a physician and knew better than to cater to an addicts requests for drugs, no matter how famous the addict is.

I will always miss him. He was a very special being with a lot of love to give.

[GentleBreeze]

I still miss Michael Jackson. I was watching something on TV (might have been the Joy Behar Show last night) and they were asking their "guests" what the most prolific event of 2009 was...I couldn't believe nobody mentioned the death of Michael Jackson AND the amount of responsibility Dr Murray should be holding for this. Yes MJ was a drug addict, but Murray was an enabler and was a physician and knew better than to cater to an addicts requests for drugs, no matter how famous the addict is.

I cant remember which cable tv show I watched, iirc it was right before Christmas but Michael's death was in the top 10 stories of 2009.

When it happened it practically shut the internet down because there were so many on line due to his death being announced.

Even now everyday I get Michael Jackson alerts. Everyday and they are numerous ones daily.

imo

[HolyMoly]

He never said "bedding" and you know that perfectly well LF.:rolleyes: He said there was nothing wrong with SHARING your bed with a child.

He was open and honest to the entire world even in that interview.......even though people would twist his meaning into their own interpretations and try to place their own thoughts inside his mind trying to make them Michael's thoughts when they weren't. There was never any concrete evidence that MJ had ever harmed children but there is vast evidence that he truly loved and cared about children all across the world and that is one of the reasons he is still loved by so many worldwide.

I miss him and to this day my heart breaks for this man who was treated so cruelly by others. God all along knew Michael's heart and He has taken him home where he cant be hurt here on Earth any longer.

imo

Bashir cut out the part where Michael said that he always slept on the floor.

[HolyMoly]

Innocent people don't go to hell.. Even if he was what people accuse him of, God forgives everyone if they repent.
In Michael's case all he did was provide love and care for children in an attempt to claim some of his own lost childhood.
Ryan White comes to my memory.

And Dave Dave is just another of the thousands and thousands of kids he helped. He spent a lifetime spreading the word of God through his music and his actions.

[GentleBreeze]

Bashir cut out the part where Michael said that he always slept on the floor.

I try hard not to think about Brashir. He nauseates me and how he manipulated and edited that interview for his own personal gain was so wrong. Even when he came out after MJs death and said he never thought that MJ did anything illegal makes me angry. Why didn't he have the decency to do that when MJ was still living.:cursing:

imo

[HolyMoly]

I dont think female pedophiles are rare. IMO, they are rarely caught and exposed although that seems to be changing, thank goodness.

imo

That one will be going to trial sometime this coming year. I think its Sandra Cantu.

[Lainey]

(snipped for space)

I miss him and to this day my heart breaks for this man who was treated so cruelly by others. God all along knew Michael's heart and He has taken him home where he cant be hurt here on Earth any longer.

imo



I totally agree with you. It is unbelievable how cruel some were (and still are) to him. The only silver lining in this whole situation is Michael is finally at peace. May God Bless and protect his kids.

[Nic99]

http://hotsearch.aol.co.uk/yehs09-celebrities

[Dunlurken]

Wow. I don't usually post on the Michael Jackson thread, but I just heard on the news that his "Thriller" video has been placed into the National Archives. One of only 532 "movies" in there. JMO.

[Nic99]

Wow. I don't usually post on the Michael Jackson thread, but I just heard on the news that his "Thriller" video has been placed into the National Archives. One of only 532 "movies" in there. JMO.

I'm glad this has happened and MJ earned the right to be there with that amazing video. Everyone knows about that video and its like a worldwide brand name like Coca Cola; needs no introduction.

[Xenam]

Wow. I don't usually post on the Michael Jackson thread, but I just heard on the news that his "Thriller" video has been placed into the National Archives. One of only 532 "movies" in there. JMO.

Library of Congress announces 2009 National Film Registry

By Ann Hornaday
Wednesday, December 30, 2009; 12:08 PM

The music video for Michael Jackson's "Thriller" made history again today when it was named as one of 25 motion pictures to be included in the Library of Congress's National Film Registry.

"Thriller" joins such esteemed films as "Dog Day Afternoon" and "Jezebel" in this year's National Film Registry roster. The Library of Congress established the registry in 1989 as part of the National Film Preservation Act, to spotlight films that are "culturally, historically or aesthetically" significant and deserve to be preserved for all time, according to Librarian of Congress James H. Billington. As of this year, 525 films have been selected for the registry.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/30/AR2009123001142.html

[Dunlurken]

Library of Congress announces 2009 National Film Registry

By Ann Hornaday
Wednesday, December 30, 2009; 12:08 PM

The music video for Michael Jackson's "Thriller" made history again today when it was named as one of 25 motion pictures to be included in the Library of Congress's National Film Registry.

"Thriller" joins such esteemed films as "Dog Day Afternoon" and "Jezebel" in this year's National Film Registry roster. The Library of Congress established the registry in 1989 as part of the National Film Preservation Act, to spotlight films that are "culturally, historically or aesthetically" significant and deserve to be preserved for all time, according to Librarian of Congress James H. Billington. As of this year, 525 films have been selected for the registry.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/30/AR2009123001142.html


Thank you for that link. JMO.

[Xenam]

Thank you for that link. JMO.

You are welcome Dunnie. I had heard it as well and seems an article was posted after you had posted. Hope you had a wonderful holiday and wishing you a Happy New Year as well :)

[Dunlurken]

You are welcome Dunnie. I had heard it as well and seems an article was posted after you had posted. Hope you had a wonderful holiday and wishing you a Happy New Year as well :)

He truly was a genius. Happy Holidays to you and yours, too.

Dunnie.

[Firehead11]

You are welcome Dunnie. I had heard it as well and seems an article was posted after you had posted. Hope you had a wonderful holiday and wishing you a Happy New Year as well :)

Can always count on you for a link that is needed. :thumbsup:

Happy New Year All. Stay Safe and drink responsibly.

[Xenam]

Can always count on you for a link that is needed. :thumbsup:

Happy New Year All. Stay Safe and drink responsibly.

Do I have to drink responsibly if I'm staying home? :tonguewag: j/k

Happy New Year to all -- wishing everyone new beginnings, love, joy and peace. :)

[HolyMoly]

Michael Jackson's Doc -- Ex-Employee Dies

TMZ.com (blog) - ‎3 hours ago‎

TMZ has learned Dr. Arnold Klein, who treated Michael Jackson for decades, had an office employee who just died ... an employee who had a history of drug ...

http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/30/michael-jackson-dr-arnold-klein-drugs-addict-percocet-demerol-drugs/

[HolyMoly]

Just because he is so gorgeous here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kne9JS0eIRc

:drool:

[Shells2]

I defend Michael Jackson. He isn't here to defend himself against false allegations, ridicule, etc. Call it what you want. I call it doing the right thing.

Why not defend the children who's lives were *allegedly* forever changed because of the actions of this man. There was something wrong with MJ, to pretend there was not is ridiculous. Why not try to figure out how these things can be avoided in the future to protect the innocent and atleast have something positive come out of this.

[Nic99]

Just because he is so gorgeous here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kne9JS0eIRc

:drool:

That was great, thanks for sharing.

[HolyMoly]

Why not defend the children who's lives were *allegedly* forever changed because of the actions of this man. There was something wrong with MJ, to pretend there was not is ridiculous. Why not try to figure out how these things can be avoided in the future to protect the innocent and atleast have something positive come out of this.


The children whose lives were forever changed are ryan white, dave dave, and all the others whose lives were enriched due to the generousity and goodness of MJ. I don't believe Michael ever harmed any child, anywhere. I also don't believe that people like him need to be avoided. I believe if the world had more people like MJ, we would be in a far greater place.

[Nic99]

Why not defend the children who's lives were *allegedly* forever changed because of the actions of this man. There was something wrong with MJ, to pretend there was not is ridiculous. Why not try to figure out how these things can be avoided in the future to protect the innocent and atleast have something positive come out of this.


Uhh, there was a lengthy trial in which he was acquitted of all charges, making him not guilty! They found nothing; he is an innocent man. You need to concentrate more on the actual paedophiles and not the innocent people, who have been proven innocent imo, of course.

[HolyMoly]

That's right ... everyone is lying except Michael. The FBI, and the witnesses that they had prior to the incidents that he was charged with, they are all liars, the FBI opened the file just cuz they were bored and the FBI has nothing better to do with themselves...

:rolleyes:

Michael was an extremely talented man. A man who knew the boundaries of a healthy relationship with children, he was not IMO.

The FBI also closed the files without bringing federal charges against him, and they didn't close the files out of the goodness of their hearts. There was never any credible evidence to substantiate the allegations, which is why the jury acquitted him.

[Shells2]

The FBI also closed the files without bringing federal charges against him, and they didn't close the files out of the goodness of their hearts. There was never any credible evidence to substantiate the allegations, which is why the jury acquitted him.


You are entitled to you opinion and I respect that.

[Firehead11]

Why not defend the children who's lives were *allegedly* forever changed because of the actions of this man. There was something wrong with MJ, to pretend there was not is ridiculous. Why not try to figure out how these things can be avoided in the future to protect the innocent and atleast have something positive come out of this.


Umm, if I believed that Jackson molested any of these children, I would be defending them. However I do NOT believe the parent who asked Jackson to build a house for him. Tried to sue him for an additional 60 million bucks. I do NOT believe a mother who claims that she and her family were being held hostage and meanwhile went shopping on Jackson's dime. I do NOT believe that a child that has been molested would refuse to tesify against his molestor.

[Firehead11]

That's right ... everyone is lying except Michael. The FBI, and the witnesses that they had prior to the incidents that he was charged with, they are all liars, the FBI opened the file just cuz they were bored and the FBI has nothing better to do with themselves...

:rolleyes:

Michael was an extremely talented man. A man who knew the boundaries of a healthy relationship with children, he was not IMO.

Oh come on. The FBI got involved because they were asked to. They found nothing. NOTHING. Nothing on 16 computers. Nothing from witnesses. NOTHING.

[Shells2]

I do NOT believe that a child that has been molested would refuse to tesify against his molestor.

Sadly, that is more often the case than not. Testifying against your abuser is the hardest thing for anyone to do, nevermind a child.

[Nic99]

Sadly, that is more often the case than not. Testifying against your abuser is the hardest thing for anyone to do, nevermind a child.

No I suppose the easiest option would be to go along with your parents and allow them to fleece this 'very' vulnerable, mega rich celebrity of their $$$$.

[Mairi II]

The children whose lives were forever changed are ryan white, dave dave, and all the others whose lives were enriched due to the generousity and goodness of MJ. I don't believe Michael ever harmed any child, anywhere. I also don't believe that people like him need to be avoided. I believe if the world had more people like MJ, we would be in a far greater place.

And speaking of Ryan White...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPYQ1-nXgmo

[EvilEyeBall]

No I suppose the easiest option would be to go along with your parents and allow them to fleece this 'very' vulnerable, mega rich celebrity of their $$$$.

Vulnerable? Are you kidding me? Just look at the company he kept.

IMO MJ simply paid for what he wanted....didn't matter if it was little boys, drugs or the children he claimed as his own. It was all bought and paid for.

[Firehead11]

Vulnerable? Are you kidding me? Just look at the company he kept.

IMO MJ simply paid for what he wanted....didn't matter if it was little boys, drugs or the children he claimed as his own. It was all bought and paid for.

You know, I just can't let the bolded sentence go....
I think it is rather ignorant matter to phase something like that. Those three children were his. In just about every which way they could be except MAYBE biological. Do you feel this way with every parent that has adopted a child, had a surrogate mother or a sperm donor or is it just Jackson?

You, the FBI or the DA could never prove that Jackson molested anyone. But yet, day after day you claim it as a fact.

[EvilEyeBall]

You know, I just can't let the bolded sentence go....
I think it is rather ignorant matter to phase something like that. Those three children were his. In just about every which way they could be except MAYBE biological. Do you feel this way with every parent that has adopted a child, had a surrogate mother or a sperm donor or is it just Jackson?

You, the FBI or the DA could never prove that Jackson molested anyone. But yet, day after day you claim it as a fact.

I'm an adoptive mom.

What I am saying is the way MJ went about procuring children was a tad unconventional....and it was his money that permitted it. He got what he wanted by paying for it. For all intensive purposes, yes they were "his."

I claim it as my opinion. Regardless if you believe he molested anyone or not, you must agree he had very inappropriate boundaries when it came to other peoples children. And their parents....either were dumb as sticks, willing to sell their children for cash, or unwitting collaborators.

I never saw anything that lead me to believe MJ was childlike, wholesome or innocent..... Not with the porn, drugs, alcohol. and boys in his bed. One particular child spent everynight for a year in his bed!

How many children did that Delaware pediatrician molest? How many told? Luckily for the children, there was video ....

There is more than enough evidence to support my OPINION that MJ was a pedophile.

[Firehead11]

BBM

I believe molestation could have easily been proven, but Jordy Chandler's father accepted a payoff to keep his son off the stand. I think there will always be doubts as to Jackson's innocence regarding all of the molestation charges. I think that's what payoffs do. They cause many doubts. Maybe not to rabid fans, but to the rest of the world. :shrug:

You know, I doubt that any molestion did happen but really, I am NOT a rabid fan and frankly, I am getting rather tired of being called one.

There have been links supplied that Jackson did NOT want to settle any money to Jordy or his father. His insurance company did. Now whether you believe it or not, I really do not care. I understand the facts and that is what I am basing my opinion on.

Happy New Year.

[Firehead11]

I'm an adoptive mom.

What I am saying is the way MJ went about procuring children was a tad unconventional....and it was his money that permitted it. He got what he wanted by paying for it. For all intensive purposes, yes they were "his."

snipped


Same could be said for any parent who paid the surrogate mother. Same could be said for anyone that used a sperm bank.

Jolie uses her money to " procur children" Pitt also. What about Rosie O'Donnell?

Hmmm

[Lainey]

By all accounts Michael was an excellent father to his children. I don't understand why some people can't just leave him alone. He's gone for goodness sake. He was a father who loved his children totally. He was involved with his children. How many fathers these days just walk away from there children? How many fathers even if they live in the same house as their children barely give them the time of day? Why can't some people give Michael credit for anything.

[Xenam]

Sadly, that is more often the case than not. Testifying against your abuser is the hardest thing for anyone to do, nevermind a child.

This is true. However, this "child" that did not testify was 25 years old and was begged to testify. The one that did who brought up the computers use and was caught in several lies led to the acquittal of MJ as well as an early death. The FBI tracked this man for 17 years and found nothing. Anyone who is accused of child molestation even when innocent fights an uphill battle even when they are innocent. JMHO

[Xenam]

I'm an adoptive mom.

What I am saying is the way MJ went about procuring children was a tad unconventional....and it was his money that permitted it. He got what he wanted by paying for it. For all intensive purposes, yes they were "his.

I know adoptive parents who paid the birth mother for their child but it does not make the love less nor makes them bad people. They did it out of truly wanting children and to give them love and nurturing. The fact that MJ MAY have obtained his children in an "unconventional" way does not change the fact that he was their father and by all accounts a very loving, nurturing father and his children love him. JMHO

[Xenam]

The link doesn't work. I don't believe this anyway. Who did Mr Chandler supposedly say this to? Is there proof of this?

There was an actual audio tape of this on youtube but appears it has been removed for copyright violation and on other sites too. The tape had been on there for years. It was a tape recorded by David Schwartz -- June Chandler's husband at the time in July 1993. It is also well known by many people who followed the MJ trial. If you do a search you will see a notice on the audio links that it has been removed. It is also noted in J Randy Taraborelli's book and Geraldine Hughes' book. JMO

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=extortion+tape+evan+chandler&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&aqi=&oq=extortion+tape+evan+chandler&fp=b36c7832dbb01be6

[Xenam]

Found a working copy of snippets from it embedded in a CBS news report. I cannot find the complete audio now as mentioned above. Seems they have been removed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnubxWTWf_4

See my post# 459 / I would also like to point out that Barry Rothman NEVER sued Geraldine Hughes (his former legal secretary) for publishing her book about the 1993 allegations and extortion claims. JMO

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=362299

David Schwartz knowingly taped this conversation and turned it over to MJ's legal team.

Excerpt from J Randy Taraborelli's book p544:

Attorney Michael Freeman, who had represented June Chanlder-Schwartz, says that, in his opinion, Michael was innocent of any wrong-doing. "I think he was wrongly accused," said the attorney. I believe that Evan Chandler and Barry Rothman saw an opportunity and went for it. That is my personally held opinion. I believe it was all about money and their strategy, obviously worked.

[Firehead11]

IMO Whatever Evan Chandler had on Jackson was bad enough for the insurance company to settle for a lot of money. I don't see this as an extortion though.

I can't blame Evan Chandler for being so mad to rant like that to his son's step father. He had good reason to be enraged at Jackson IMO.

In the same conversation, when asked how this would affect his son, Chandler replied, "That's irrelevant to me...It will be a massacre if I don't get what I want. It's going to be bigger than all us put together...This man [Jackson] is going to be humiliated beyond belief...He will not sell one more record".[2]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/extortion

ex⋅tor⋅tion  /ɪkˈstɔrʃən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ik-stawr-shuhn] Show IPA
Use extortion in a Sentence
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–noun 1. an act or instance of extorting.
2. Law. the crime of obtaining money or some other thing of value by the abuse of one's office or authority.
3. oppressive or illegal exaction, as of excessive price or interest: the extortions of usurers.
4. anything extorted.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Origin:
1250–1300; ME extorcion < LL extortiōn- (s. of extortiō). See extort, -ion


Synonyms:
1, 4. blackmail.
Certainly sounds like blackmail to me. I wonder if he EVER said, I want my son's molester to spend time in a jail cell for the rest of his life?

[Unperson1984]

Were Joe to obtain all these records and photographs, I wonder how long it would be before they appeared in a well paying tabloid.

[GentleBreeze]

If this was extortion, Michael Jackson was the victim right? It's obvious Jackson didn't file a complaint with the police about any crime because Mr Chandler was never investigated or charged with extortion.

The bottom line is Jackson didn't want any information out that would have come out if Mr Chandler was charged and tried. Letterman didn't care what came out so he went to the police. IMO

Without a victim there is no crime. Therefore, this was not an extortion but a payoff to keep the child off the stand and save Jackson's reputation from further harm. It also kept Jackson out of jail if convicted. IMO

IMO Jackson molested that child and Mr Chandler had the evidence or Jackson wouldn't have paid the amount of money he ended up paying. IMO

IMO this was what both parties wanted. No extortion and no bribing a witness in a criminal investigation charges filed so both kept quiet and neither went to police and filed a complaint.

I do not think that is what happened.

A good friend of mine who is a prosecutor once told me in certain cases a mere allegation, even if never proved.... is as bad or worse than a conviction. IMO, he is right.

To be accused of sexually abusing children is the worst thing anyone can have lodged against them. Men have gone to prison for it and all that time they were labeled a sexual predator only to be exonerated of the crime after they had served many years in prison. I am sure these men too said all along they would never harm a child and they were innocent and they were truthful but it fell on deaf ears.

They were falsely accused and even if they had been found not guilty of it the taint is something that can never be erased. That is evident even in the MJ case. There was no credible evidence in that trial that he had molested this boy yet even though he was found not guilty he still was ridiculed, labeled and scorned. So there just isn't a way to win when the allegation is concerning children and imo the insurance company knew that all too well.

I have thought about it many times over the years. If I had loads of money like MJ would I just pay to make it all go away if someone alleged that I had done something like this? I use to think that I would stand my ground and never relent but then I got to thinking about the anguish, embarrassment,humiliation and devastation it would put my husband and children through and all the rest of my family and dear friends. While I once thought I would never pay to keep everyone from knowing, I fully feel I would do anything to protect my children, hubby and myself from the shame and the taint of being accused that comes with just the allegation alone that would ruin all of our lives even though I would be totally innocent.

So imo it was extortion done by this man who said he had a plan and carried out that plan a few weeks later. The same man who said his child was irrelevant to him. He accused MJ of something he knew that just the mere allegation of it would damage him greatly. Especially MJ who never hid his love for children all across the world. Grifters are bound to come along every now and then but thank goodness in many decades most all of the countless families and children that were helped by MJ, loved him in return and never wanted his money but just his kindness and time.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

I haven't head of any other grifters and extortionists around accusing any other celerities and stars of child molestation like this and they have plenty of money too. I think either MJ was the most unlucky celebrity in the world or he was a child molester. IMO

Which celebrities have built a home like Neverland where needy and sick children and their families could come there?

imo

[GentleBreeze]

While not as elaborate as Jackson's, Imus has a ranch for sick and needy children.

Many celebrities are involved with children's causes and many are hands on with those causes. imo

Imus has 10 kids at a time for an 8 week period in the summer.

I don't know of another celebrity that opens up their private home 365 days a year to needy and sick children.

imo

[Firehead11]

Hi Unperson. Happy New Year!

I have mixed feelings about Joe doing this. In a big way, I can't blame him for wanting answers. If my family member was a victim of homicide, I sure would question why the person responsible was free to make money off of the homicide with a reality tv show. I would want to know what happened.

Here is part of an interesting article I found:

Keep in mind that the family had suspected foul play long before the official coroner ruling. From the very beginning, when the media was telling us it was cardiac arrest, they insisted on a second autopsy. When we were led to believe it was a case of drug overdose, they continued to insist: There’s more to this story. People would say they were just being crazy and paranoid, or buying into some weird conspiracy theory. But with the official ruling of the death as a homicide, it finally seemed their suspicions had at least been partly validated. But it’s still only the tip of the iceberg. I think when all is said and done, this case is going to prove far more complex than anyone ever suspected. Except, perhaps, to the man who, from Day One, has never stopped pushing for justice for his son.

http://allforloveblog.com/?p=471

I think if I were one of the executors of the estate, I would not want any money released to any agency of CA until I had the answers that would esplain what happened to my family member.

But I doubt that JJ reasons are that pure. If he would have behaved like a grieving father instead of money hungry parasite, announcing his record label at a press conference right after his son's death then I would agree that he might be pushing for justice for Michael.

[Unperson1984]

It's asking for the autopsy photographs I find quite odd. I can understand wanting the autopsy tests results, but the photos would be of no help in getting justice. However they'd bring a high price in the tabloid market.

That's something the children never need to see.

[Lainey]

His own father releasing autopsy photos is too sickening to imagine. There must be another explaination for wanting the photos.

I hope.

[Lainey]

(snipped for brevity)

So.. I think there is ample reasons for the family to seek this info, without it necessarily being for financial gain. I do think they should have a professional investigator handling this.

I totally agree with you, I just don't like the idea of the photos being included in the information they are seeking. And I sure hope they do have a professional investigator looking into this. The family want/need to know the truth without Michaels dignity being disturbed :)

[daniel green]

I mean, Michaels death was ruled a homicide, and Dr. Murray admitted to having administered lethal drug(s), without proper training, knowlege and absent any of the required life saving equipment. snipped.

Dr Murray did no such thing.

[tiptop]

Dr Murray did no such thing.

Last I heard, doc would be charged in February or later. Has that changed?

[ResJudicata]

Who knows? Unknown sources have been putting out rumors and speculation for months. Just like rumors of a civil suit. imo


The people investigating know. Here is a fairly recent article on this subect:


Michael Jackson's public memorial service cost Los Angeles city $3.4 million. There was a small outcry from city officials looking to recoup some of the fees. But it is very unlikely that will happen. Of course the king of pop's passing rocked the whole world. It seems that Dr. Conrad Murray is now the sideshow to this final Michael Jackson explosive controversy. It seemed like the world stopped for bit when news of Jackson's death hit the airwaves in June. Jackson's Facebook page jumped from 800,000 to 7 million fans in one week. But the controversy over the doctor still rages. I know we will be hearing a lot about this one in 2010. Murray will likely be charged -- but with what? Involuntary manslaughter? And who else will be charged? Will Dr. Arnold Klein Be charged too? Hmmmm... we shall see. But one thing we know for sure... LA wants to do this one right. But don't worry that there might be a mad Propofol killer out on the loose as Dr. Murray is working overtime to pay those child custody arrears.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robin-sax/los-angeles-crime-2009-in_b_408750.html

As far as the civil suit. It will happen, and probably fairly soon, given the statute of limitations being one year for medical malpractice, and I believe 2 years for wrongful death. So..my guess is that prior to June 25, 2010, a civil action will be filed against Murray.

[ResJudicata]

This link is the same as any other. The investigators are saying nothing. As far as a civil action, the only ones with standing are the children. Not the "family". Katherine could only sue for them. Also, it would depend on who they can sue besides Dr Murray. They won't get much from him especially if he is not insured. :shrug:

All JMO of course


I believe Katherine can sue for loss of support, since Michael supported her while he was alive.


Such instances could be if there are no children or spouse, then the domestic partner may bring suit. In cases where the immediate family is not alive, then it would go to next surviving relative which would be the grandchildren if there were any.

It is correct even if the parents of the deceased are alive, unless either of them or both were supported by the dead. Complicating matters even further the surviving spouse of a void or voidable marriage who's found by the court to have believed in good faith the marriage to the decedent was valid may have a viable suit.

http://www.articlesbase.com/personal-injury-articles/wrongful-death-law-in-california-a-basic-understandng-313368.htm

She can at least get all the proceeds gained from his upcoming reality tv show, and I hope she does.

[ResJudicata]

BBM

You know this how? Dr Murray's statement has never been released.


It says so in the SWORN statement of probable cause for the search warrants.

[ResJudicata]

No it doesn't. Not what I bolded. Beside that, his statement has not been released.

Yes it does. I read it. Murray didn't make a sworn statement, the investigator did.

[GentleBreeze]

This link is the same as any other. The investigators are saying nothing. As far as a civil action, the only ones with standing are the children. Not the "family". Katherine could only sue for them. Also, it would depend on who they can sue besides Dr Murray. They won't get much from him especially if he is not insured. :shrug:

All JMO of course

But if they sued and won ...the children could get any monies he makes in the future such as from a movie , tv show or book deals.

A guardian of the children has a legal right to bring a case in the children's best interest.

imo

[ResJudicata]

Murray made statements to the police and they have not been released.

The investigator's sworn statement indicates that propofol was administered without having the necessary life saving equipment on hand. It also indicates that Murray admitted to having administered propofol. It has nothing to do with any statement Murray may or may not have made.

[GentleBreeze]

Murray made statements to the police and they have not been released.

No matter what he said the Coroner still ruled MJs death a homicide.

imo

[ResJudicata]

That probable cause affidavit doesn't matter at all. Only Murray's statement matters. IMO

That probable cause affidavit will never be read in court. It can be disputed anyway unless it is Murray's own statement.

The probable cause affidavit is heresay.

All JMO of course

I'm guessing that the EMT's and anyone else at the scene gave statements as to what equipment was in the room. In the event of a trial, they will testify to what they saw.

[Firehead11]

This link is the same as any other. The investigators are saying nothing. As far as a civil action, the only ones with standing are the children. Not the "family". Katherine could only sue for them. Also, it would depend on who they can sue besides Dr Murray. They won't get much from him especially if he is not insured. :shrug:

All JMO of course

You are wrong. Since it is well documented that Michael supported his mother, she would also gain if any money was rewarded in a civil suit. She would be entitled to her own portion. Think about the Goldman family being awarded 30 million dollars for their child's murder.