11/11 - 11/13 [Shaniya Nicole Davis]

[sunstar]

How warm or cold is it in NC at night at this time of the year?
Off Topic: Curtis Vance found guilty of murder.

I'm in the Charlotte area and it's been in the mid-upper 40s at night. Fayetteville is a little over 3 hrs. away. :smile:


(no surprise about Vance and thank goodness!!)

[sunstar]

Hi, Pan! Do we know if it's a house, trailer or apartment complex yet?

Single-wide mobile home. It's in the video at this link.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/6397725/

Notice also the laundry hanging outside in the rain. I wonder if the blanket could've been on that clothes line before it ended up in the neighbor's trash? :shrug:

[Lynn Gweeny]

PHOTOS:

(Courtesy of klaasend and jerseygirl345 from SM)

Residence

http://i37.tinypic.com/2sbu61y.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/24lk0gx.jpg


Aerial view of area

http://i36.tinypic.com/205v2ja.jpg

[lune3]

Here is an aerial map of the mobile home park. There appears to be a lot of wooded area around, as well as a lake nearby. Wonder if searches have been done by the lake.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=embed&hl=en&geocode=&q=1116-A+Sleepy+Hollow+Drive,+fayetteville,+nc&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=53.345014,78.837891&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=1116+Sleepy+Hollow+Dr,+Fayetteville,+Cumberl and,+North+Carolina+28311&z=17&ll=35.101265,-78.921729

oops didn't see the previous post with aerial info.....though this google map shows the lake, by zooming out a bit.

[Lynn Gweeny]

Neighbors of missing 5-year-old knew little about family

In this article, it states that the mobile home park is near what appears to be a large dump site and is surrounded by woods.

http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/11/951284

[sunstar]

Updated article ~

"Moore said she was awakened by noises outside her home at about 3 a.m. Tuesday.

"It sounded like somebody was beating," she said.

She went back to sleep but was awakened later by police saying they were confiscating her trash can because it contained evidence in the disappearance of her young neighbor.

"Every time I think about it, it upsets me," she said. "The idea that this baby was missing is bad in itself, but actually feeling like I had something to do with it, that's pretty hard to deal with, this evidence being in my trash can."

Moore said she has no idea how the blanket got into her garbage can. She said police told her it was covered in feces and that feces were also found on the back porch of Davis' home."

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6397519/

[FrankieBones1]

Neighbors of missing 5-year-old knew little about family

In this article, it states that the mobile home park is near what appears to be a large dump site and is surrounded by woods.

http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/11/951284

Thanks, Lynn....Have you been watching Headline News? Getting lots of info since 5pm. Seems that the other woman has a child and she is the one who got her application accepted by that trailer park. Shaniya's mom put in an application but it was turned down.

They all moved in back in August. Shaniya and her mom, the friend and her two kids (one is an infant). The trailer park lady said that she didn't know where the infant came from since neither woman was pregnant when the applied to live there at that park. There was also a boyfriend and there were only two bedrooms for everyone. No wonder Shaniya had to sleep on the couch.

[Lynn Gweeny]

Thanks, Lynn....Have you been watching Headline News? Getting lots of info since 5pm. Seems that the other woman has a child and she is the one who got her application accepted by that trailer park. Shaniya's mom put in an application but it was turned down.

They all moved in back in August. Shaniya and her mom, the friend and her two kids (one is an infant). The trailer park lady said that she didn't know where the infant came from since neither woman was pregnant when the applied to live there at that park. There was also a boyfriend and there were only two bedrooms for everyone. No wonder Shaniya had to sleep on the couch.

No I didn't have Headline News on, darnit. Thanks for the additional information. There's not much press about Shaniya's case when googling.

[FrankieBones1]

Trailer hi frankie and pan:laugh:Hope that LE in that area did the same thing in the Somer case and tracked the garbage to landfills.

[VC2]

Thanks, Lynn....Have you been watching Headline News? Getting lots of info since 5pm. Seems that the other woman has a child and she is the one who got her application accepted by that trailer park. Shaniya's mom put in an application but it was turned down.

They all moved in back in August. Shaniya and her mom, the friend and her two kids (one is an infant). The trailer park lady said that she didn't know where the infant came from since neither woman was pregnant when the applied to live there at that park. There was also a boyfriend and there were only two bedrooms for everyone. No wonder Shaniya had to sleep on the couch.

This will not end well :( sounds like terrible living conditions, dfs had been involved before, feces on the blanket and the back stairs/porch? I am wondering if that was bc she had died, all of us lose our waste when we die..or maybe a reason for frustration that caused something very bad to happen. I can see it on the blanket but the steps/porch (cant remember which) makes no sense to me

[lune3]

Updated article ~

"Moore said she was awakened by noises outside her home at about 3 a.m. Tuesday.

"It sounded like somebody was beating," she said.

She went back to sleep but was awakened later by police saying they were confiscating her trash can because it contained evidence in the disappearance of her young neighbor.

"Every time I think about it, it upsets me," she said. "The idea that this baby was missing is bad in itself, but actually feeling like I had something to do with it, that's pretty hard to deal with, this evidence being in my trash can."

Moore said she has no idea how the blanket got into her garbage can. She said police told her it was covered in feces and that feces were also found on the back porch of Davis' home."

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6397519/

A blanket covered in feces? I hope this is due to there having been a "sewage problem" in that home and that the blanket was used to mop up. Would one use a blanket? Maybe. IMO, I don't think so.
Wondering if it's possible poor Shaniya had an accident and that she was punished.....

[FrankieBones1]

No I didn't have Headline News on, darnit. Thanks for the additional information. There's not much press about Shaniya's case when googling.

Hopefully his show will repeat or JVM will have something, too.

[sunstar]

A blanket covered in feces? I hope this is due to there having been a "sewage problem" in that home and that the blanket was used to mop up. Would one use a blanket? Maybe. IMO, I don't think so.
Wondering if it's possible poor Shaniya had an accident and that she was punished.....

I'm just not connecting the blanket to the sewage problem, unless Shaniya took it to the bathroom with her and it got in the backed up toilet or something. Then I could see an irate adult punishing her. Or worse I could see Shaniya losing control if she was frightened or being beaten. That would explain why it ended up in the neighbor's trash ~ somebody didn't want it around the house. MOO

[lune3]

I'm just not connecting the blanket to the sewage problem, unless Shaniya took it to the bathroom with her and it got in the backed up toilet or something. Then I could see an irate adult punishing her. Or worse I could see Shaniya losing control if she was frightened or being beaten. That would explain why it ended up in the neighbor's trash ~ somebody didn't want it around the house. MOO

The mom was questioned all yesterday and evidently again today. No doubt she is being asked to offer an explanation about the blanket and what was going on at 3 am when the neighbour heard some kind of commotion. I hope the friend and boyfriend are being asked the same questions, separately. Would like to know what she/they are stating and whether the accounts jive and it makes sense. If not, I have a feeling that things are quickly going to unravel.

[VC2]

A blanket covered in feces? I hope this is due to there having been a "sewage problem" in that home and that the blanket was used to mop up. Would one use a blanket? Maybe. IMO, I don't think so.
Wondering if it's possible poor Shaniya had an accident and that she was punished.....

speaking from experience you grab anything that is close to hand to clean the mess as fast as possible.

but it seems more likely to be the little ones

[sunstar]

The mom was questioned all yesterday and evidently again today. No doubt she is being asked to offer an explanation about the blanket and what was going on at 3 am when the neighbour heard some kind of commotion. I hope the friend and boyfriend are being asked the same questions, separately. Would like to know what she/they are stating and whether the accounts jive and it makes sense. If not, I have a feeling that things are quickly going to unravel.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall to hear the possible explanations that might lead away from something happening to Shaniya inside the house. And about the sewage problem, I'd also like to know if anybody had complained to the landlord about it and how long it had been going on. I'm just not seeing renters ignoring something that huge if it had become a problem where one couldn't even use the toilet. MOO

[FrankieBones1]

Galanos' show repeating now.

[FrankieBones1]

According to Headline News, there had been problems with that trailer and drugs.

[sunstar]

Galanos' show repeating now.

I'm watching! I just caught something about the landlord. Although it specifically wasn't mentioned, it seems from what was said she would've had that sewage problem fixed if she knew about it. The reporter quoted the landlord as saying she'd done everything possible to make the park a decent place to live. MOO

[StillHoping]

There was that case in September where that little boy Wyatt was found in the Septic Tank, and the lid had been replaced. I'm guessing authorities would have checked that already though.

Also, IMO, if the feces covered blanket was from the septic issue, I don't see why it would have been thrown in the neighbors trash can.
And if the blanket and feces on the porch aren't connected to Shaniya's disappearance, I have a hard time believing it would be reported. It paints a pretty ugly picture for a reporter to make that mistake, IMO.

My heart is BROKEN for this little girl!!!!

[sunstar]

According to Headline News, there had been problems with that trailer and drugs.

I understood it to be before Shaniya's mother moved in. Apparently they've only been there since August & the incident was in July? I also understood it was actually Shaniya's aunt who had been accepted on the rental application and mom had been previously denied, but ended up moving in anyway with the aunt. :shrug: MOO

[StillHoping]

According to Headline News, there had been problems with that trailer and drugs.

The drug bust was in July and the family moved in there in August.
The other woman is reported to be Shaniya's mother's sister.
Also, didn't see if it was posted here, there are 4 video camera's at the trailer park. LE has the tapes.

[sunstar]

The drug bust was in July and the family moved in there in August.
The other woman is reported to be Shaniya's mother's sister.
Also, didn't see if it was posted here, there are 4 video camera's at the trailer park. LE has the tapes.

I heard that too about the tapes. They can be seen outside the mobile home that morning "looking around". So if that tape is still around, also would be if anybody ever entered the home. I wonder what, if anything, is captured around 3am when the neighbor heard the "beating"? MOO

[FrankieBones1]

The drug bust was in July and the family moved in there in August.
The other woman is reported to be Shaniya's mother's sister.
Also, didn't see if it was posted here, there are 4 video camera's at the trailer park. LE has the tapes.

Would have been nice if Galanos corrected his male guest about it.

[StillHoping]

I heard that too about the tapes. They can be seen outside the mobile home that morning "looking around". So if that tape is still around, also would be if anybody ever entered the home. I wonder what, if anything, is captured around 3am when the neighbor heard the "beating"? MOO

My worry is that the tapes maybe ran on a loop. Meaning that if they caught film of the family "looking around" at 6AMish, whatever happened earlier, might not be on the tapes.

[sunstar]

My worry is that the tapes maybe ran on a loop. Meaning that if they caught film of the family "looking around" at 6AMish, whatever happened earlier, might not be on the tapes.

You might be right. By the time LE even knew about video cameras something that happened around 3am could've been taped over. I think it would all depend on the equipment that the landlord installed. MOO

[Rayosunshine]

A blanket covered in feces? I hope this is due to there having been a "sewage problem" in that home and that the blanket was used to mop up. Would one use a blanket? Maybe. IMO, I don't think so.
Wondering if it's possible poor Shaniya had an accident and that she was punished.....

Am thinking of the possibility of incontinence at death.

[VC2]

My worry is that the tapes maybe ran on a loop. Meaning that if they caught film of the family "looking around" at 6AMish, whatever happened earlier, might not be on the tapes.

Nope she had ordered a special sort of external hard drive for them that kept all images for 30 days

[sunstar]

Nope she had ordered a special sort of external hard drive for them that kept all images for 30 days

Oh I totally missed that part of the report!! Thank you!

[Riverwalk!]

video

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7109962

[Riverwalk!]

Oh I totally missed that part of the report!! Thank you!

I think the MH park manager's name is Barbara, but anyway she's a former Sheriff's Investigator.

[Riverwalk!]

updated from same link
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6397519/

"It sounded like somebody was beating (on the wall)," she said.

[sunstar]

I think the MH park manager's name is Barbara, but anyway she's a former Sheriff's Investigator.

I did hear that too. She also was reported to have said she's tried for the past 4 yrs. to make the park a decent place to live. That's why I question this sewage problem and how long it's been going on. Maybe something just recent that the tenants created by stuffing the wrong things down the toilet. Or maybe something as simple as leakage under the toilet from it not being secured or a problem with the flooring. MOO

[sunstar]

updated from same link
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6397519/

"It sounded like somebody was beating (on the wall)," she said.

That's a huge correction, imo.

[Riverwalk!]

I did hear that too. She also was reported to have said she's tried for the past 4 yrs. to make the park a decent place to live. That's why I question this sewage problem and how long it's been going on. Maybe something just recent that the tenants created by stuffing the wrong things down the toilet. Or maybe something as simple as leakage under the toilet from it not being secured or a problem with the flooring. MOO

Reported that Barbara didn't know anything about the sewage problem, but who knows what's what.

ETA: Do we know if this MH Park is on the city sewer system or septic tanks? The MHs seem awfully close together for septic tanks, but I really don't know.

[sunstar]

Reported that Barbara didn't know anything about the sewage problem, but who knows what's what.

ETA: Do we know if this MH Park is on the city sewer system or septic tanks? The MHs seem awfully close together for septic tanks, but I really don't know.

I tend to believe the landlord in this case. I'm also thinking it could be a problem that could be easily corrected but in order to protect the kids right now (while investigating Shaniya's disappearance) they used it as an excuse to say the house was uninhabitable. I'd also think it's a sewer system. MOO

[digger]

On HLN the reporter Michelle Sigona interviewed the manager. The manager said she never even new the mom and her children were living there. The moms application was denied. Michelle has a website. AM I allowed to post it with the full interview Michelle did?

[sunstar]

On HLN the reporter Michelle Sigona interviewed the manager. The manager said she never even new the mom and her children were living there. The moms application was denied. Michelle has a website. AM I allowed to post it with the full interview Michelle did?

I hope it's ok ~ it would be nice to have everything she said linked to look back at. MOO

[Riverwalk!]

On HLN the reporter Michelle Sigona interviewed the manager. The manager said she never even new the mom and her children were living there. The moms application was denied. Michelle has a website. AM I allowed to post it with the full interview Michelle did?

Isn't she with AMW? America's Most Wanted.

[Riverwalk!]

Nancy Grace covering this case now.

[sunstar]

Nancy Grace covering this case now.

I'm watching!

[digger]

Ok...A reporter for HLN Michelle Sigona interviewed the manager, Barbara Davenport, she oversees 98 units in the Sleepy Hollow neighborhood. Barbara says Antoinette Davis, Shaniya’s mother, applied to live in the mobile home park but Barbara says her application was denied. Only Antoinette and a 5-year-old boy were listed on the initial application. Barbara says BD, Antoinette’s sister, also put in an application at the same time application was accepted. That application only listed BD and her son as potential renters. It was quite a surprise for Barbara to later learn that in addition to BD and her son, Antoinette, her boyfriend, Antoinette’s 5-year-old son, Shaniya, and an infant were also living in the home. Barbara says she doesn’t know who the infant belongs to because at the time the women turned in their applications, neither one appeared to be pregnant. Michelle says more new updates soon....

[sunstar]

Nancy Grace has the neighbor, Andrea Moore, on the phone. She says she lives across from Shaniya. She's talking about LE finding the blanket in the trash can. Garbage pick up had been on Monday.

[Riverwalk!]

Trash pick up (for that area) was Monday. Shaniya was reported missing on Tuesday.

Ms. Moore (the neighbor) says Shaniya's MH porch and railing was smeared with feces (told to her). Blanket with feces in Ms. Moore's trash on Tuesday morning. She has a 24 year old daughter, but daughter doesn't live at her MH.

[sunstar]

Nancy stressing six people were inside Shaniya's house and nobody, except the neighbor, heard anything. Neighbor saying the noise she heard at 3:00am sounded like banging on her side of the house.

[Riverwalk!]

Nancy stressing six people were inside Shaniya's house and nobody, except the neighbor, heard anything. Neighbor saying the noise she heard at 3:00am sounded like banging on her side of the house.

Maybe under Ms. Moore's MH???.... just thinking/typing outloud. lol

[*Pia]

Praying for little Shaniya...:rose:

[Riverwalk!]

According to this
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1135194&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

Shaniya was born on 2-14-04. In N.C. when do kids start school?

Praying too Pia.

[sunstar]

Maybe under Ms. Moore's MH???.... just thinking/typing outloud. lol

I'd like to know ~ who outside the family last saw Shaniya and when AND when this sewer problem started. As awful as it is for me to think of, why wasn't her scent captured outside the house? Did she ever make it out of there? :crying:

[sunstar]

According to this
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1135194&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

Shaniya was born on 2-14-04. In N.C. when do kids start school?

Praying too Pia.

She probably should've been in kindergarten this fall. (Sorry, I only have "fur children"!)

[lune3]

Nancy stressing six people were inside Shaniya's house and nobody, except the neighbor, heard anything. Neighbor saying the noise she heard at 3:00am sounded like banging on her side of the house.

I was under the impression earlier that the neighbour heard the beating/banging coming from the vicinity of Shaniya's MH.
That she says it sounded like it was on her own house is creepy. You don't suppose it was Shaniya......in distress???
Probably not, but reading this gave me a start.

[Riverwalk!]

I'd like to know ~ who outside the family last saw Shaniya and when AND when this sewer problem started. As awful as it is for me to think of, why wasn't her scent captured outside the house? Did she ever make it out of there? :crying:

IF she wasn't in school on Monday (or some other person sighted this child; not family) she could have been missing for days and days? Hate to say it but they need to bring in cadaver dogs. :crying: Ugh, this is so distressing.

[Mayasmimi]

This little girl is absolutely precious!!!

The whole "someone came in and took the baby" thing is ridiculous...:cursing:

[Riverwalk!]

She probably should've been in kindergarten this fall. (Sorry, I only have "fur children"!)

Me too, now. Mine are grown up and gone. In Texas, you can start kindergarten at age 5 if birth day is before Sept. 1. Both my boys had later birthdays and were "old" for kindergarten.

[Riverwalk!]

This little girl is absolutely precious!!!

The whole "someone came in and took the baby" thing is ridiculous...:cursing:

I hate to agree. All those people in a 12x40 two bedroom mobile home makes no sense. :crying:

[Amy]

OK. From what I've gathered over this loooooong day with these missing kids .... the dogs didn't pick up her scent leaving her residence. The dogs couldn't track her leaving, wandering around at 5:30 am to just before 7:00 am. Thus she never left her mobile home.

It doesn't say she was wandering around @ 5:30 am. That is the time the mother placed her on the couch. She could have left (by whatever means) as late as even 6:45, as it was 6:50 when the mom says she checked, and the girl wasn't on the couch.

[Amy]

Im praying she is found but it doesn't sound good. Why wait to call 911? Something is terribly wrong with this story. Did I hear right they are calling for the search....:cursing:

The reports read like mom did not wait to call 911, that she called when she found that the girl wasn't on the couch, about 7am.

[lune3]

It doesn't say she was wandering around @ 5:30 am. That is the time the mother placed her on the couch. She could have left (by whatever means) as late as even 6:45, as it was 6:50 when the mom says she checked, and the girl wasn't on the couch.

I'm not sure that Shaniya was placed on that couch at 5:30 at all. I think it's possible something happened much earlier that night. IMO

[sunstar]

I was under the impression earlier that the neighbour heard the beating/banging coming from the vicinity of Shaniya's MH.
That she says it sounded like it was on her own house is creepy. You don't suppose it was Shaniya......in distress???
Probably not, but reading this gave me a start.

The neighbor went on to say, in hindsight, she believes it was opening the trash can which is wedged in between the porch & side of her mobile home, that made the noise at 3am. :smile:

[lune3]

The neighbor went on to say, in hindsight, she believes it was opening the trash can which is wedged in between the porch & side of her mobile home, that made the noise at 3am. :smile:

Thanks sunstar, that makes more sense (at least regarding the noise). I didn't watch NG so didn't hear the full account.

Still, why put the soiled blanket in a neighbour's trashcan? Was their own full? Not likely since trash day was the day before. And then to do it noisily....????

[sunstar]

IF she wasn't in school on Monday (or some other person sighted this child; not family) she could have been missing for days and days? Hate to say it but they need to bring in cadaver dogs. :crying: Ugh, this is so distressing.

We're really working here with such little information! That's why I'd at least like to know about school ~ otherwise she could've been gone for days before they reported her missing. It seems the neighbor who was on the phone with Nancy didn't even know she lived there. :sad: MOO

[sunstar]

Thanks sunstar, that makes more sense (at least regarding the noise). I didn't watch NG so didn't hear the full account.

It does to me too. So that would also mean it's likely Shaniya was already gone by that time, if that's when somebody disposed of the blanket. MOO

[AmndaRcknwth]

Case album started for Shaniyah.

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Shaniyah%20Davis/

[Riverwalk!]

It doesn't say she was wandering around @ 5:30 am. That is the time the mother placed her on the couch. She could have left (by whatever means) as late as even 6:45, as it was 6:50 when the mom says she checked, and the girl wasn't on the couch.

IF Shaniya had left the MH (which LE doesn't agree with) then there would have been a scent to track at whatever time/some direction. The odd thing is the dogs picked up NO scent at all trailing off anywhere.

[Mayasmimi]

We're really working here with such little information! That's why I'd at least like to know about school ~ otherwise she could've been gone for days before they reported her missing. It seems the neighbor who was on the phone with Nancy didn't even know she lived there. :sad: MOO

I had to take a phone call, so forced to only half listen. Was school even brought up? Whether or not she was in school on Monday is important. Who last saw the baby girl? The neighbor didn't even know she lived there.

[Riverwalk!]

We're really working here with such little information! That's why I'd at least like to know about school ~ otherwise she could've been gone for days before they reported her missing. It seems the neighbor who was on the phone with Nancy didn't even know she lived there. :sad: MOO

I know. How odd to not even see a cutie playing outside at some point in time. Maybe she liked DVD's and playing inside and never ventured outside?

[lune3]

It does to me too. So that would also mean it's likely Shaniya was already gone by that time, if that's when somebody disposed of the blanket. MOO

Unless it's totally unrelated, but that would be too much of a coincidence, ...wouldn't it? Strange that they would make such a racket disposing of it. That garbage day was the day before also makes it more likely it would be found. I don't think this person/ people are too bright.

[Riverwalk!]

Case album started for Shaniyah.

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Shaniyah%20Davis/

Thank you, thank you, thank you so much for what you do to help bring the missing/lost HOME.

[sunstar]

Case album started for Shaniyah.

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Shaniyah%20Davis/

Thank you!! :smile:

[Mayasmimi]

Case album started for Shaniyah.

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Shaniyah%20Davis/

Thank you!!! Not that all little girls are not precious, but Shaniyah is particularly beautiful. Breaks my heart. Poor baby.

[Lynn Gweeny]

Prime News 11/11/09 Shaniya Davis - Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6T8jRAtsvE


Prime News 11/11/09 Shaniya Davis Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4jpVqSc6Xc

[sunstar]

I had to take a phone call, so forced to only half listen. Was school even brought up? Whether or not she was in school on Monday is important. Who last saw the baby girl? The neighbor didn't even know she lived there.

Nothing mentioned that I heard of ~ either on Nancy's show or elsewhere. I'm also not sure about the location of the front door of Shaniya's house like if it faces other homes where the neighbors could see who comes & goes.

[sunstar]

Unless it's totally unrelated, but that would be too much of a coincidence, ...wouldn't it? Strange that they would make such a racket disposing of it. That garbage day was the day before also makes it more likely it would be found. I don't think this person/ people are too bright.
Or maybe they thought nobody would look in her trash can and since it had just been emptied the blanket would be at the bottom. But I agree, if this was all staged, they're not bright at all. MOO

[Mayasmimi]

Nothing mentioned that I heard of ~ either on Nancy's show or elsewhere. I'm also not sure about the location of the front door of Shaniya's house like if it faces other homes where the neighbors could see who comes & goes.

I'd assume that the park owners would back trailers up (you know, back to back for space). We lived in a single wide trailer when I was little, but for the life of me I cannot remember if there was a back door.

[Amy]

IF Shaniya had left the MH (which LE doesn't agree with) then there would have been a scent to track at whatever time/some direction. The odd thing is the dogs picked up NO scent at all trailing off anywhere.


"By whatever means"--such as being carried as was mentioned by other posters could possibly be why there was no scent. And, she DID leave the MH, she is not in it. The point was that she did not necessary leave the MH (being carried) @ 5:30, it could have been as late as 6:45, if the mother's version of events are truthful, that she placed her on the couch @ 5:30, and could not find her @ 6:50.

[Lynn Gweeny]

On HLN the reporter Michelle Sigona interviewed the manager. The manager said she never even new the mom and her children were living there. The moms application was denied. Michelle has a website. AM I allowed to post it with the full interview Michelle did?

SHANIYA DAVIS MISSING
Michelle Sigona
November 11th, 2009

http://www.michellesigona.com/2009/11/11/ambert-alert-shaniya-nicole-davis/

[Mayasmimi]

Any thoughts on the mention on Nancy's show about the sewage backup?

[sunstar]

I'd assume that the park owners would back trailers up (you know, back to back for space). We lived in a single wide trailer when I was little, but for the life of me I cannot remember if there was a back door.

Here's a map with the park in it. Some of them in the center part are back to back and others on the fringe of the park.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&resnum=0&q=1116+sleepy+hollow+fayetteville+nc&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=1116+Sleepy+Hollow+Dr,+Fayetteville,+NC+2831 1&ei=pG37SoyeCYG8lAf10M2LBQ&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CAgQ8gEwAA

[Riverwalk!]

Nothing mentioned that I heard of ~ either on Nancy's show or elsewhere. I'm also not sure about the location of the front door of Shaniya's house like if it faces other homes where the neighbors could see who comes & goes.

Here's the aerial view over the MH park the day this all went down

http://www.wral.com/news/video/6387812/

[sunstar]

Any thoughts on the mention on Nancy's show about the sewage backup?

You mean like her speculation what could be causing it? Yes, I'd like to know when the problem started and I also think it should be checked out. :crying:

[Amy]

And why put her on the couch at 5:30am? To set up a staging?

I have not read whether any adult in that MH works--and I have not read anything that says they do not. IF mom works, and has to leave early, I can see putting the girl on the couch. My kids were removed from their cozy little beds by 5:30, 6am, placed on the couch while I got ready for work, in hopes that they were awake enough to put on clothes to be taken to day care.

Of course, there wasn't anything said about why she didn't check on the girl in the hour. And, it could very well be that the little girl had wet the bed or something, and mom put her out there, her place in the bed would be uncomfortable if wet.

And, there is always the possibility that something nefarious happened in that MH even prior to the 5:30am time, and that mom is not telling what really happened.

[nuttintodo]

According to this
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1135194&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

Shaniya was born on 2-14-04. In N.C. when do kids start school?

Praying too Pia.

Children must be 5 years old by August 31st to enter kindergarten in NC (it used to be 5 yrs old by October 15th).

http://www.ncpublicschools.org/stateboard/legal/schoolentry

[sunstar]

Here's the aerial view over the MH park the day this all went down

http://www.wral.com/news/video/6387812/

That one isn't working but I'll find it!

[Mayasmimi]

You mean like her speculation what could be causing it? Yes, I'd like to know when the problem started and I also think it should be checked out. :crying:

Exactly...was mentioned late in the segment...and not really talked about.

[sunstar]

Children must be 5 years old by August 31st to enter kindergarten in NC (it used to be 5 yrs old by October 15th).

http://www.ncpublicschools.org/stateboard/legal/schoolentry

That's what I wasn't sure of ~ when the date cut off was. But Shaniya turned 5 last February so she should've been in school. MOO

[sunstar]

Exactly...was mentioned late in the segment...and not really talked about.

I'm sure LE is checking out every possibility. I also think it could be one reason they said the house couldn't be lived in now ~ so they could check it out. MOO

[nuttintodo]

That's what I wasn't sure of ~ when the date cut off was. But Shaniya turned 5 last February so she should've been in school. MOO

IA but I also read this at the ncpublicschools site:

Is kindergarten compulsory in North Carolina?
No. All public school systems must offer kindergarten, but children are not required to attend. Compulsory attendance applies to children between the ages of seven and sixteen and also children aged 5 or 6 as long as they are enrolled in public school.

So there's no telling if she was even enrolled. I have a bad feeling that someone in the mobile home did the unthinkable to that poor baby.

What is wrong with people?? :angry:

moo

[Mayasmimi]

I'm sure LE is checking out every possibility. I also think it could be one reason they said the house couldn't be lived in now ~ so they could check it out. MOO

Ooops. Yes, it was mentioned that they had not returned because of the health concerns with regard to the sewage problem. Forgot to mention that. I thought that was a little odd as well. I'd think they might not be allowed to return because it might me the scene of a crime and investigators/technicians were still processing evidence. Why the sewage thing made me go hmmmm.

[Riverwalk!]

"By whatever means"--such as being carried as was mentioned by other posters could possibly be why there was no scent. And, she DID leave the MH, she is not in it. The point was that she did not necessary leave the MH (being carried) @ 5:30, it could have been as late as 6:45, if the mother's version of events are truthful, that she placed her on the couch @ 5:30, and could not find her @ 6:50.

It makes no difference what the mother says. The difference is no scent was found. Either badly trained dogs or she hadn't been outside for days and days. YES ... well trained SAR dogs would pick up scent of a person carried in arms. I've raised/trained 6 SAR dogs. My dog tracked people for miles and miles over mountains and streams in horrible terrain in Utah. Well trained dogs can track a person in a car. STARTS with a scent of the person. What was the scent item of Shaniya's given to the dogs? All those clothes on the line = freshly washed clothes.

Good night. Off to watch the rest of the CMA.

[Mayasmimi]

Thanks for the info Nuttin....was wondering the same thing myself. Betcha she was not enrolled.

Agree....What is wrong? Seems anymore there's not a day that passes without a child going missing.....:cursing:

[Riverwalk!]

That one isn't working but I'll find it!

Odd. Works for me. Oh well. Good night.

[Mayasmimi]

It makes no difference what the mother says. The difference is no scent was found. Either badly trained dogs or she hadn't been outside for days and days. YES ... well trained SAR dogs would pick up scent of a person carried in arms. I've raised/trained 6 SAR dogs. My dog tracked people for miles and miles over mountains and streams in horrible terrain in Utah. Well trained dogs can track a person in a car. STARTS with a scent of the person. What was the scent item of Shaniya's given to the dogs? All those clothes on the line = freshly washed clothes.

Good night. Off to watch the rest of the CMA.

Hmmmm.....What if she never lived there?

ETA...I mean the landlord didn't have any idea and IIRC.....neither did the neighbor ACROSS the street, in whose garbage can the soiled blanket was found.

[4Kids]

Hmmmm.....What if she never lived there?

ETA...I mean the landlord didn't have any idea and IIRC.....neither did the neighbor ACROSS the street, in whose garbage can the soiled blanket was found.

Maya, these have been my thoughts as well. IMO

[4Kids]

Ok...A reporter for HLN Michelle Sigona interviewed the manager, Barbara Davenport, she oversees 98 units in the Sleepy Hollow neighborhood. Barbara says Antoinette Davis, Shaniya’s mother, applied to live in the mobile home park but Barbara says her application was denied. Only Antoinette and a 5-year-old boy were listed on the initial application. Barbara says BD, Antoinette’s sister, also put in an application at the same time application was accepted. That application only listed BD and her son as potential renters. It was quite a surprise for Barbara to later learn that in addition to BD and her son, Antoinette, her boyfriend, Antoinette’s 5-year-old son, Shaniya, and an infant were also living in the home. Barbara says she doesn’t know who the infant belongs to because at the time the women turned in their applications, neither one appeared to be pregnant. Michelle says more new updates soon....

Digger, was there any mention as to how long this family lived in this home? IMO

[Mayasmimi]

Maya, these have been my thoughts as well. IMO

Yeah. I remember cadavar dogs followed Laci Peterson's scent from Modesto all the way to San Francisco Bay some time after Laci went missing. IMO....there is no way these dogs could have missed the scent of a child who was there just hours before.

[lune3]

I'd like to know if ANYBODY other than those residents and children saw that child in the last while, and when/where? Monday? The weekend? Two weeks ago? It's possible something may have happened not only earlier that night but MUCH earlier.
I hate to be suspicious of the family/boyfriend but geesh, the neighbours didn't know she LIVED there and there's no scent.
Is there a scent on that couch at least?

[Mayasmimi]

4Kids....believe the home was leased to the sister of the Mom late this past summer. Only she and one child were supposed to (or maybe known to) be living there.

[Lynn Gweeny]

Digger, was there any mention as to how long this family lived in this home? IMO

2nd paragraph of this article:

http://www.michellesigona.com/2009/11/11/ambert-alert-shaniya-nicole-davis/

[Mayasmimi]

I'd like to know if ANYBODY other than those residents and children saw that child in the last while, and when/where? Monday? The weekend? Two weeks ago? It's possible something may have happened not only earlier that night but MUCH earlier.
I hate to be suspicious of the family/boyfriend but geesh, the neighbours didn't know she LIVED there and there's no scent.
Is there a scent on that couch at least?

Well...her Mom applied to live there this summer and did not list this little girl as a prospective resident. She was turned down. The Mom's sister applied and listed the only other prospective resident to be a 5 year old boy. Her application was accepted. The landlord assumed that there were two people living there. One adult woman and one male child.

[4Kids]

Well...her Mom applied to live there this summer and did not list this little girl as a prospective resident. She was turned down. The Mom's sister applied and listed the only other prospective resident to be a 5 year old boy. Her application was accepted. The landlord assumed that there were two people living there. One adult woman and one male child.

Sounds like this child should have been at this home then, yet thus far no witnesses seeing her. Did Mom hide her because she wasn't listed on the lease? Wonder where they lived previous to that? Also wonder if the neighbors remember seeing this child before the family moved? Something sounds very wrong here.

I would like to hear what the bio Dad has to say. It sounds like the custody issues were ongoing.....IMO

ETA. Not suspecting the bio Dad at this jucture either. IMO

[Mayasmimi]

Afraid to say what I think might be going on. Not good.:cursing:

[4Kids]

2nd paragraph of this article:

http://www.michellesigona.com/2009/11/11/ambert-alert-shaniya-nicole-davis/

Thanks Lynn. Any info yet on the previous residence that you have seen? Also, I find it interesting that Mom's application was denied. Property manager indicates she checks the apps carefully. Makes me think this woman has a record. What type of record does she have? IMO

[Mayasmimi]

Thanks Lynn. Any info yet on the previous residence that you have seen? Also, I find it interesting that Mom's application was denied. Property manager indicates she checks the apps carefully. Makes me think this woman has a record. What type of record does she have? IMO

Landlord specifically mentioned denying applications for people with a drug record.

[4Kids]

Landlord specifically mentioned denying applications for people with a drug record.

Yes Maya. And there were initial reports that indicate that the house was raided and drugs found. But I have not read anything about arrest records, etc? So...where are the super sleuths tonight? Any one find anything? IMO

[lune3]

Well...her Mom applied to live there this summer and did not list this little girl as a prospective resident. She was turned down. The Mom's sister applied and listed the only other prospective resident to be a 5 year old boy. Her application was accepted. The landlord assumed that there were two people living there. One adult woman and one male child.

From the article, I'm understanding that Antoinette also has a 5yearold son, who was listed on the application. (Brenda Davis also appears to have a son)

WHY would Antoinette not list her daughter?? She didn't know at the time she would be denied yet. Was there a rule allowing only 2 people? If not, why only the son??

"Barbara says Antoinette Davis, Shaniya’s mother, applied to live in the mobile home park, but Barbara says her application was denied. Only Antoinette and a 5-year-old boy were listed on the initial application."
http://www.michellesigona.com/2009/11/11/ambert-alert-shaniya-nicole-davis/

[Mayasmimi]

Yes Maya. And there were initial reports that indicate that the house was raided and drugs found. But I have not read anything about arrest records, etc? So...where are the super sleuths tonight? Any one find anything? IMO

Wonder where they are, too.

The applications were taken in August 2009. The raid, if it occured, was earlier. Doubt the raid has anything to do with this. Just thinking out loud.

[lune3]

Yes Maya. And there were initial reports that indicate that the house was raided and drugs found. But I have not read anything about arrest records, etc? So...where are the super sleuths tonight? Any one find anything? IMO

The drugs found in that home were I believe in July IIRC, before they all moved into the place in August. Might be the previous tenant. Regardless, this woman was denied for a reason.

[Lynn Gweeny]

Thanks Lynn. Any info yet on the previous residence that you have seen? Also, I find it interesting that Mom's application was denied. Property manager indicates she checks the apps carefully. Makes me think this woman has a record. What type of record does she have? IMO

Goldsboro, NC and Woodridge, NY

[Mayasmimi]

From the article, I'm understanding that Antoinette also has a 5yearold son, who was listed on the application. (Brenda Davis also appears to have a son)

WHY would Antoinette not list her daughter?? She didn't know at the time she would be denied yet. Was there a rule allowing only 2 people? If not, why only the son??

"Barbara says Antoinette Davis, Shaniya’s mother, applied to live in the mobile home park, but Barbara says her application was denied. Only Antoinette and a 5-year-old boy were listed on the initial application."
http://www.michellesigona.com/2009/11/11/ambert-alert-shaniya-nicole-davis/

Exactly. Why was Shaniya not listed? Also, Antoinette had a five year old boy? Shaniya's twin? Maybe Antoinette checked the wrong box? Maybe the sisters needed a place to live and were not telling the truth about who was who?

[4Kids]

Goldsboro, NC and Woodridge, NY

Lynn...as always...you are incredible.

I'll see if I can find anything. IMO

[Mayasmimi]

I just read an article. Seems at least one neighbor knew she indeed lived in the home. So confusing.

Article also stated that Birth Father flew in from out of state. Fayetteville is Ft. Bragg. Assume Dad might be in the military. Not that it matters, just jotting it down.

[sunstar]

IA but I also read this at the ncpublicschools site:

Is kindergarten compulsory in North Carolina?
No. All public school systems must offer kindergarten, but children are not required to attend. Compulsory attendance applies to children between the ages of seven and sixteen and also children aged 5 or 6 as long as they are enrolled in public school.

So there's no telling if she was even enrolled. I have a bad feeling that someone in the mobile home did the unthinkable to that poor baby.

What is wrong with people?? :angry:

moo
I just never knew it was an option to start at 7! My sister & I both started at 5. Just knowing though if she'd been in school Monday would help figure out if it's possible something happened to her before that night or early Tuesday morning. Also thinking about Somer's case and how she was disposed of, I'm wondering if anybody in this case took advantage of the Monday trash pickup. :sad: MOO

[sunstar]

From the article, I'm understanding that Antoinette also has a 5yearold son, who was listed on the application. (Brenda Davis also appears to have a son)

WHY would Antoinette not list her daughter?? She didn't know at the time she would be denied yet. Was there a rule allowing only 2 people? If not, why only the son??

"Barbara says Antoinette Davis, Shaniya’s mother, applied to live in the mobile home park, but Barbara says her application was denied. Only Antoinette and a 5-year-old boy were listed on the initial application."
http://www.michellesigona.com/2009/11/11/ambert-alert-shaniya-nicole-davis/

And I thought the boy was 7 y/o not the same age as Shaniya. :confused: I'm just wondering now if she may have made a mistake on the application by checking the wrong box or something. If that was the mistake, then who does the boy belong to ~ Shaniya's mom's sister? And then there's the infant who the HLN reporter couldn't get any information on either!

[Mayasmimi]

I just never knew it was an option to start at 7! My sister & I both started at 5. Just knowing though if she'd been in school Monday would help figure out if it's possible something happened to her before that night or early Tuesday morning. Also thinking about Somer's case and how she was disposed of, I'm wondering if anybody in this case took advantage of the Monday trash pickup. :sad: MOO

Lived in Charleston, SC when I was five (another military town...well was back then). I did not attend kindergarten. Wasn't required. Never occured to me to ask if my children were required to attend. They did.

Will be interesting to hear (hopefully tomorrow) if she did attend. I certainly hope the landfill is being searched as we ponder.

[Mayasmimi]

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Shaniyah%20Davis/?action=view&current=s2-1.jpg

Looks like this picture may have been taken on her first day of school. Note what looks like a backpack. So sweet.

[4Kids]

I just read an article. Seems at least one neighbor knew she indeed lived in the home. So confusing.

Article also stated that Birth Father flew in from out of state. Fayetteville is Ft. Bragg. Assume Dad might be in the military. Not that it matters, just jotting it down.

Maya.... could you link me please? Thanks. IMO

[Mayasmimi]

Here's a map with the park in it. Some of them in the center part are back to back and others on the fringe of the park.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&resnum=0&q=1116+sleepy+hollow+fayetteville+nc&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=1116+Sleepy+Hollow+Dr,+Fayetteville,+NC+2831 1&ei=pG37SoyeCYG8lAf10M2LBQ&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CAgQ8gEwAA

Looking at the home....there were neighbors to the left, rear and directly across the street. Still not sure if there was a back door...to the left. Seems the home was on a soft corner in the neighborhood.

[Mayasmimi]

Maya.... could you link me please? Thanks. IMO

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6397519/

[sunstar]

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Shaniyah%20Davis/?action=view&current=s2-1.jpg

Looks like this picture may have been taken on her first day of school. Note what looks like a backpack. So sweet.

That does look like a little backpack! I was also thinking about what LE said about something happening "during the night". Maybe they know she was alive Monday because she was in school? It's just frustrating that we (public) haven't heard everything! MOO

[Mayasmimi]

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6397519/

Could not find the original article that mentions the baby's Father. I swear there was one that addressed both facts.

[Mayasmimi]

That does look like a little backpack! I was also thinking about what LE said about something happening "during the night". Maybe they know she was alive Monday because she was in school? It's just frustrating that we (public) haven't heard everything! MOO

Yeah. The fact that the dogs didn't pick up a scent makes me crazy! We'll know more tomorrow. I so hope they find this baby alive and healthy. Doubt it. What is this world coming to?:mad:

[4Kids]

Yeah. The fact that the dogs didn't pick up a scent makes me crazy! We'll know more tomorrow. I so hope they find this baby alive and healthy. Doubt it. What is this world coming to?:mad:

Can feces cause dogs not to hit? I know...gross question, but since raw sewage and poop on blanket has been mentioned, I was curious.

Where are you little Shaniya?

IMO

[Mayasmimi]

Can feces cause dogs not to hit? I know...gross question, but since raw sewage and poop on blanket has been mentioned, I was curious.

Where are you little Shaniya?

IMO

Was wondering the same. Have no idea. I wonder why media mentioned that the "family" could not return because of the sewage backup. Would have assumed they'd be kept away because of the ongoing investigation. Just too strange...this!

IMO...either the sewage back up has something to do with her dissapearance, or she never lived there in the first place....and the missing child report was to cover up for a child who went missing before yesterday. Just thinking out loud.

[4Kids]

Was wondering the same. Have no idea. I wonder why media mentioned that the "family" could not return because of the sewage backup. Would have assumed they'd be kept away because of the ongoing investigation. Just too strange...this!

IMO...either the sewage back up has something to do with her dissapearance, or she never lived there in the first place....and the missing child report was to cover up for a child who went missing before yesterday. Just thinking out loud.

We are on the same wavelenghth, Maya.

I have to keep in mind that oftentimes eary news reports in these type of cases are wrong. IMO

[sunstar]

Yeah. The fact that the dogs didn't pick up a scent makes me crazy! We'll know more tomorrow. I so hope they find this baby alive and healthy. Doubt it. What is this world coming to?:mad:

I just want her found ~ period. And I'm praying she will be soon, at least so LE can know what happened to her. It's late, so have a good night!

[Mayasmimi]

We are on the same wavelenghth, Maya.

I have to keep in mind that oftentimes eary news reports in these type of cases are wrong. IMO

Agree.....because I earlier assumed she might not have lived in the home, but now find that neighbors did know she lived there.....we know nothing really. Tomorrow. Night.

[Mayasmimi]

I just want her found ~ period. And I'm praying she will be soon, at least so LE can know what happened to her. It's late, so have a good night!

Me, too. See ya tomorrow. Hope this beautiful baby girl is found.

[Rayosunshine]

This little girl is absolutely precious!!!

The whole "someone came in and took the baby" thing is ridiculous...:cursing:

It seems to be a recurring theme.

Who really know how long this little girl has been missing. I hope LE can get info from the 7 y.o.

[bugout]

it is amazing the similarities to the HC case. Sad but True.

The neighbor said that the feces was all over the railing, the porch area and of course on this blanket. I don't know if they had scent dogs or cadaver dogs out there.

They better get to the dump pronto. This child is dead, and it looks/sounds like she suffered a horrendous attack.

IT IS a recurring theme. But the evidence in this case so far does lead me to believe it was a Sexual assault of great magnitude.

:rose:

[Mayasmimi]

Just thinking about the sewage backup. Wonder if the blanket was not used to "mop" that up. Was the child even there? Who knows. Just plain crazy.

Unfreakingbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where is this precious child?

[lune3]

Just thinking about the sewage backup. Wonder if the blanket was not used to "mop" that up. Was the child even there? Who knows. Just plain crazy.

Unfreakingbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where is this precious child?

I wondered the same thing, but if you grab the nearest cloth in the bathroom, wouldn't it be a towel? Wouldn't a blanket be in a bedroom or on that couch?

I think this feces covered blanket etc and Shaniya's disappearance are related....too coincidental for me. I think something horrendous went on in that home that night.
I've had a backed up toilet and it sure didn't result in feces all over my railings and porch and whatnot.

[Santa'sMom]

Was it a sewage backup? or leaking sewage lines? Major difference between the two. If it was leaking lines, most of the sewage would be between the floors and underboards (can't think of what that's called at the moment). A backup would be easily fixed with a plunger or a snake. If it was leaks and had been going on for some time, that could leave a mess that could involve having to replace the flooring.

I think the main reason the media is saying that the family can't return due to the sewage problem rather than because it's a crime scene is simply the fact that it makes the family look even worse and, as we all know, bad news sells and if we don't like the people we're reading about, we are also apt to be more interested in reading about them (it makes us feel better about ourselves). Regardless, it sure doesn't look promising for that little girl.

[Clara Harris]

it is amazing the similarities to the HC case. Sad but True.

The neighbor said that the feces was all over the railing, the porch area and of course on this blanket. I don't know if they had scent dogs or cadaver dogs out there.

They better get to the dump pronto. This child is dead, and it looks/sounds like she suffered a horrendous attack.

IT IS a recurring theme. But the evidence in this case so far does lead me to believe it was a Sexual assault of great magnitude.

:rose:

The neighbor did not say that about the feces. Ms. Moore said she didn't know anything that, IIRC She said that blanket was found in her trashcan.

It was "sources" that said the feces was on the porch rail. I am not sure if NG added the feces on blanket to the story. It was hard for me to discern if that detail got skewed.

The raw sewage story makes me ill. I think there is more to the story of why family can't return. The raw sewage spill doesn't seem like it would only affect one residence. I hope that makes sense. So sad. It it depressing and maddening to keep hearing such these stories.

There is an Amber Alert for a 22 month old child in Hoke County, NC. I read that his hair and eye color unknown. WTH? I can't believe we can't account for where kids live, like Shaniya. Or what they look like? I can't comprehend JMT&OO.

[aproudmom]

Hi everyone I just now got the chance to see NG and now I am very scared for this child:sad: IMO something happen in that house and someone is not talking but they best start if they are covering for someone else. JMO

[aproudmom]

I wondered the same thing, but if you grab the nearest cloth in the bathroom, wouldn't it be a towel? Wouldn't a blanket be in a bedroom or on that couch?
I think this feces covered blanket etc and Shaniya's disappearance are related....too coincidental for me. I think something horrendous went on in that home that night.
I've had a backed up toilet and it sure didn't result in feces all over my railings and porch and whatnot.

bbm
But why would it end up in the neighbors trash can makes no since to me. She did not live right next to them why throw it in her trash can

[aproudmom]

The neighbor did not say that about the feces. Ms. Moore said she didn't know anything that, IIRC She said that blanket was found in her trashcan.

It was "sources" that said the feces was on the porch rail. I am not sure if NG added the feces on blanket to the story. It was hard for me to discern if that detail got skewed.

The raw sewage story makes me ill. I think there is more to the story of why family can't return. The raw sewage spill doesn't seem like it would only affect one residence. I hope that makes sense. So sad. It it depressing and maddening to keep hearing such these stories.

There is an Amber Alert for a 22 month old child in Hoke County, NC. I read that his hair and eye color unknown. WTH? I can't believe we can't account for where kids live, like Shaniya. Or what they look like? I can't comprehend JMT&OO.

IMO something happen to that child in that home by someone who lives in the home but that is just MO. If my child was missing I would be like little Somers mother begging for her to be brought home have we heard a word from any of the family members.

[Donnah]

They've made an arrest for kidnapping, but the girl's still missing:

Police say they've arrested a North Carolina a man in the disappearance of a 5-year-old girl but are still looking for the child.

Fayetteville police said Clarence Coe was arrested around 11 p.m. Wednesday and charged with first degree kidnapping.

Lt. Alex Thompson said investigators are still searching Shaniya Davis. The child was reported missing from her home just before 7 a.m. Tuesday. Her mother said she last saw Shaniya around 5:30 a.m.

Thompson said investigators aren't yet saying how or if Coe knew the child.

Police said Coe was arrested at his home in Fayetteville without incident. He was being held at the Cumberland County Detention Center early Thursday. A jail official said records didn't indicate whether he had an attorney.

http://www.wral.com/news/state/story/6401393/

[Dustee]

They've made an arrest for kidnapping, but the girl's still missing:



http://www.wral.com/news/state/story/6401393/

Could this be the same guy?

"One patient who has had to wait is Clarence Coe, 24, a Fayetteville, N.C., construction worker who had to forgo his treatment on another AIDS drug combination for more than two months. He started getting treatment while in prison, where people receive free health care. But after his release, couldn't afford to continue it. "

http://www.aegis.com/news/wsj/2004/WJ040103.html

[Donnah]

Don't know, Dustee. They've not even given his age yet:
At about 11 p.m., Clarence Coe, of 211 Brookwood Ave., was arrested and charged with first-degree kidnapping in the disappearance of Shaniya Nicole Davis, police said.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6397519/

Looking back at the old stories, I don't even see a mention of the boyfriend's name. Did you see one?
There's not enough info yet.

[Donnah]

News conference at 8:30 per WRAL.

[Dustee]

If that's him.............all the more to worry about Shaniya.

I don't know how many Clarence Coe's there are in Fayetteville NC, but one of 'em has quite a record.

http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/opi/viewoffender.do?method=view&offenderID=0719212&searchLastName=Coe&searchFirstName=Clarence&listurl=pagelistoffendersearchresults&listpage=1

[Donnah]

I don't know how many Clarence Coe's there are in Fayetteville NC, but one of 'em has quite a record.

http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/opi/viewoffender.do?method=view&offenderID=0719212&searchLastName=Coe&searchFirstName=Clarence&listurl=pagelistoffendersearchresults&listpage=1

Yes, that's the one. His offenses were mentioned in the article. Looks like he just got out of the pen in mid-August.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6397519/

[Donnah]

Presser pushed back to later this morning, no word when.

[Lynn Gweeny]

VIDEO: Arrest made in Fayetteville girl's disappearance (1:38)

Fayetteville police made an arrest late Wednesday in the disappearance of 5-year-old Shaniya Nicole Davis. She is still missing, police said.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/6401898/


MUG SHOT

http://www.ccsonc.org/MugShots/48187.091

Name: COE, CLARENCE DARRIEL

Booking ID: 120044
Date Arrested: November 12, 2009
Charge: FIRST DEG KIDNAPPING
Bond: $100,000.00
Age: 30
Race: Black
Sex: Male

http://www.ccsonc.org/active_inmates/Inmates.aspx

Previous Offenses

http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/opi/viewoffender.do?method=view&offenderID=0719212&searchLastName=Coe&searchFirstName=Clarence&listurl=pagelistoffendersearchresults&listpage=1

[cog1]

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6387156/


Chance said the family has a history with the Department of Social Services.

"There have been major DSS issues with this family – who has custody, switching back and forth," Chance said.

Chance said it's unknown whether the child's disappearance is related to those issues. Police said Shaniya's father flew in from out of state Tuesday afternoon and was talking to investigators.

Does anyone here know what the previous issues are with DSS? Why haven't they released the mothers name or the BF?

I hope this little one is safe but I have a really bad feeling.

[cog1]

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6397519/

Antoinette Davis said she put Shaniya on the couch in their home, at 1116-A Sleepy Hollow Drive in Fayetteville, at about 5:30 a.m. Tuesday. When she went to check on her daughter about an hour later, the girl was missing, Davis told police.

From LG's link above. Sorry I had missed the mothers name previously.

Going to look around now.

[Kip]

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7114221

Witness saw Coe leaving with Shaniya in car.

[cog1]

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7114221

Witness saw Coe leaving with Shaniya in car.

Oh Kip this is really scary! If she wasn't with him when he was arrested then I fear the worst. I sure wish he would tell!!

[Kip]

Oh Kip this is really scary! If she wasn't with him when he was arrested then I fear the worst. I sure wish he would tell!!


I know... :sad: Whatever he's done, he needs to talk now.

[cog1]

I know... :sad: Whatever he's done, he needs to talk now.

Hopefully they are searching in and around the mans home. I'm hoping she is close enough to be found.

Praying for Shaniya!

[tootie]

Oh dear. I see they have arrested someone but no sign of the girl? Seems if she was okay he would just go ahead and tell where she is so this can all be over with. Please dear God make her be okay.

[cog1]

Oh dear. I see they have arrested someone but no sign of the girl? Seems if she was okay he would just go ahead and tell where she is so this can all be over with. Please dear God make her be okay.

Totie, that is what scares me! If alive wouldn't he have told where she is I mean they arrested him for First Degree Kidnapping. Go ahead and tell. I have a really bad bad feeling!

[cog1]

I know... :sad: Whatever he's done, he needs to talk now.

Kip, I'm wondering how he was idenified with her in his car at 3 a.m.? Was he known to visit this trailer park? Was he the mothers BF?

Wasn't the BF there at the time she was reported missing?

How did they find him so fast?

Where is Shaniya??

[Katt2]

Kip, I'm wondering how he was idenified with her in his car at 3 a.m.? Was he known to visit this trailer park? Was he the mothers BF?

Wasn't the BF there at the time she was reported missing?

How did they find him so fast?

Where is Shaniya??

Where did you read or hear it was at 3:00 a.m.?

[cog1]

Where did you read or hear it was at 3:00 a.m.?

Katt2, I could sware that is what the article said. Maybe I imagined it? It sure isn't there now.

Sorry for any confusion!

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7114221

Police spokesperson Theresa Chance did not identify the witness or say what time Coe was allegedly seen with the girl. (I don't know where I got 3 a.m. from. SORRY!!)

[annalyzer]

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7114221

Witness saw Coe leaving with Shaniya in car.

Why wasn't this info given to LE immediately (or was it?) and why wasn't this man arrested immediately? Why was her blanket found in the neighbor's trash can? Surely the abductor wouldn't take the time to put it there?

[annalyzer]

Katt2, I could sware that is what the article said. Maybe I imagined it? It sure isn't there now.

Sorry for any confusion!


But her mother said she put her on the couch at 5:30 am.

[cog1]

But her mother said she put her on the couch at 5:30 am.

I know I don't know where I got the 3 a.m. from. I swear I didn't mean to confuse things!! I do apologize!! :confused:

[lune3]

Oh no, just logged on to find this news. This doesn't sound good at all....what did he do with Shaniya???

So the blanket thing and the neighbour hearing the racket at 3am are not related? Why would someone put the blanket in the neighbour's trash can?
Did they then stay up till 5:30 and put Shaniya on the couch?

If this is a stranger, there's no reason for Antoinette to lie about the 5:30 time. Or was she in fact taken at 3am and the mom and home residents looked for her but were too scared to tell 911 that Shaniya disappeared a lot earlier...all that time waiting to call 911???

[AJandTam]

I know I don't know where I got the 3 a.m. from. I swear I didn't mean to confuse things!! I do apologize!! :confused:

You might have just mixed up what the neighbor said about hearing some banging at 3 am.

[Kip]

http://www.wtkr.com/news/sns-ap-us--girldisappears-nc,0,4342776.story

[Police spokesperson] Chance said Coe was a person of interest early in the case and that a witness spotted him transporting the girl out of a trailer park. Investigators are assuming that Shaniya is in danger.


I agree that the circumstances and timeline are confusing.

[cog1]

You might have just mixed up what the neighbor said about hearing some banging at 3 am.

Maybe I am racking my brain to figure out where I got the 3 am thing. :scared:

[AJandTam]

Maybe I am racking my brain to figure out where I got the 3 am thing. :scared:

Don't be scared. It's ok.. We all get confused from time to time.

[BorderCollieMom]

I pray this baby girl is found safe !

I think someone in that trailer park knows the perp. Theres not much local talk going on that I can find.

[cog1]

cog1,
Don't worry yourself about it. That very well may have been written in the article and retracted. Hopefully the presser will be held soon.

TY Elyssa, I just don't want to add confusion ya know? :wub:

[hinman]

Could this man have been captured on surveliance camera's. I thought I head the trailer park had them. Thanks for any info

[cog1]

Don't be scared. It's ok.. We all get confused from time to time.

Starting to think I have dame bramage! LOL

[cog1]

I pray this baby girl is found safe !

I think someone in that trailer park knows the perp. Theres not much local talk going on that I can find.

That is what I thought that someone must have known him maybe. TO identify him or his car?

[AJandTam]

Starting to think I have dame bramage! LOL

No just anger at this piece of junk who keep messing w/these babies.

[AJandTam]

That is what I thought that someone must have known him maybe. TO identify him or his car?

Sounds like they know he took this baby girl. If he harmed her, he's gonna get it..

[cog1]

No just anger at this piece of junk who keep messing w/these babies.

WIll it ever stop?? Sickening!!

Where did he put her?

[cog1]

Could this man have been captured on surveliance camera's. I thought I head the trailer park had them. Thanks for any info

That could be but it seems that LE would have stated that. Who knows?

Just wish we knew what he did with her?

[AJandTam]

WIll it ever stop?? Sickening!!

Where did he put her?

It doesn't seem like it. It seems like this problem is just getting worse and worse every day..

I don't know but it doesn't sound good.

[cog1]

Sounds like they know he took this baby girl. If he harmed her, he's gonna get it..

Sadly, I think he must have harmed her otherwise he would say where she was.

AMOO

[VC2]

I remember the Michele Sigona saying one of the surveillance camera's showed the entrance to Shaniya's MH clearly.

That would be why they had him as a POI early i think

[AJandTam]

Sadly, I think he must have harmed her otherwise he would say where she was.

AMOO

Most likely..

[cog1]

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7114221&cmp=emc-wtvd-Todays_Local_News-111209-top1-7114221

Investigators did not say how Coe knows the child or the Davis family, but they did say they don't believe it was a random abduction.

Do you think he knew this family maybe visited them before or was there that night or early morning?

[AJandTam]

I remember the Michele Sigona saying one of the surveillance camera's showed the entrance to Shaniya's MH clearly.

That would be why they had him as a POI early i think

Hi VC.. So glad they had the camera there. It will make getting this guy easy.

[AJandTam]

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7114221&cmp=emc-wtvd-Todays_Local_News-111209-top1-7114221

Investigators did not say how Coe knows the child or the Davis family, but they did say they don't believe it was a random abduction.

Do you think he knew this family maybe visited them before or was there that night or early morning?

Hard to say just yet. It's a heck of a world when you can't even put your children to sleep w/out worrying someone will come and take them.

[lune3]

Fayetteville Police Department spokeswoman Theresa Chance said Thursday that authorities believe the disappearance of Shaniya Davis was not a random occurrence.
http://www.wtkr.com/news/sns-ap-us--girldisappears-nc,0,4342776.story

Thompson said detectives have not yet said whether Coe knew the child.
http://www.wral.com/news/state/story/6401393/

Investigators did not say how Coe knows the child or the Davis family, but they did say they don't believe it was a random abduction.
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7114221

BBM
These statements tell me that the Davis' know this guy Coe. It's is not a stranger abduction.

It's possible Antoinette may have told LE something regarding this person since he was a suspect "early on". Not sure when the witness came forward.

How could this guy snatch Shaniya with 5 other people in that small MB?

[cog1]

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7114221&cmp=emc-wtvd-Todays_Local_News-111209-top1-7114221

Since the investigation began, police have suspected foul play was involved. They said Thursday that Coe was a suspect early on. A police spokesman wouldn't say Thursday if he was cooperating with detectives.

That makes me think for some reason his name came up early on. Maybe he was at the home earlier that day?

[tootie]

The link below says Coe is the mothers boyfriend, "Barbara Davenport, property manager at Sleepy Hollow Mobile Home Park where Shaniya was living, said Coe is the boyfriend of the girl's mother, Antoinette Davis, and has visited the trailer park several times"

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2009/11/12/general-us-girl-disappears-nc_7116098.html

[cog1]

Fayetteville Police Department spokeswoman Theresa Chance said Thursday that authorities believe the disappearance of Shaniya Davis was not a random occurrence.
http://www.wtkr.com/news/sns-ap-us--girldisappears-nc,0,4342776.story

Thompson said detectives have not yet said whether Coe knew the child.
http://www.wral.com/news/state/story/6401393/

Investigators did not say how Coe knows the child or the Davis family, but they did say they don't believe it was a random abduction.
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7114221

BBM
These statements tell me that the Davis' know this guy Coe. his is not a stranger abduction.

It's possible Antoinette may have told LE something regarding this person since he was a suspect "early On". Not sure when the witness came forward.

How could this guy snatch Shaniya with 5 other people in that small MB?

This is exactly what I am thinking, they must have known this guy.

How is right? Didnt' they say on NG that the trailer was small like 12 X 40 or something like that? Of course if she was on the sofa that was most likley right at the main door entrance but still.....

[cog1]

The link below says Coe is the mothers boyfriend,

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2009/11/12/general-us-girl-disappears-nc_7116098.html

Oh geeze, that is sick and twisted!! Now I have to go back and read the older articles.

Didn't they say that the BF was IN the trailer?

[lune3]

This is exactly what I am thinking, they must have known this guy.

How is right? Didnt' they say on NG that the trailer was small like 12 X 40 or something like that? Of course if she was on the sofa that was most likley right at the main door entrance but still.....

I'm wondering now if Shaniya went with him willingly, on a ruse. But then, why did dogs not pick up her scent.

As for this guy being the mom's BF as stated in a link above, I though the BF lived in the MB with them.

[AJandTam]

The link below says Coe is the mothers boyfriend,

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2009/11/12/general-us-girl-disappears-nc_7116098.html

This happens so often. The mothers BF's get thier kids. If I ever divorce, I do not want any men in our lives for this reason. You just never know.

[cog1]

excerpt ~

Police responded to the home around 6:50 a.m., and Shaniya's mother told officers that she last saw her daughter at 5:30 a.m. The child was at the home with her mother, one other adult and a 7-year-old child.

"The circumstances surrounding her disappearance are very odd. A 5-year-old usually...(is) not awake at 5:30 a.m. normally, and they just wouldn't leave their home," Fayetteville police spokeswoman Theresa Chance said. "If she would have wandered out of her home, she would be around here somewhere."

Police K-9s, fire officials and deputies with the Cumberland County Sheriffs Office are searching the area. The dogs did not not pick up a scent. Chance said if the child was wandering around outside, the dogs would have picked up her scent immediately.

Shaniya is described as 3-feet tall and 40 pounds. She has brown hair and brown eyes.

She was last seen wearing a blue T-shirt with pink underwear. She is thin and has a scar on her foot.

Fayetteville police say three registered sex offenders live in the neighborhood. Theresa Chance said the offenders, along with everyone else in the neighborhood, have been interviewed.

The sex offenders are not considered suspects, Chance said.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6387156/

SO who was the other adult then? I know NG alluded it was the BF but that could be wrong or the mother could have several BF's.

AMOO

[lune3]

This happens so often. The mothers BF's get thier kids. If I ever divorce, I do not want any men in our lives for this reason. You just never know.

I'm wondering now also if the custody dispute had anything to do with the dad not trusting this guy.

[cog1]

I'm wondering now if Shaniya went with him willingly, on a ruse. But then, why did dogs not pick up her scent.

As for this guy being the mom's BF as stated in a link above, I though the BF lived in the MB with them.

Yes, if Shaniya knew him should could have gone with him willingly.

What did the neighbor hear outside exactly? Anyone have clarification on that?

I also thought the BF was in the MH. :confused:

[cog1]

This happens so often. The mothers BF's get thier kids. If I ever divorce, I do not want any men in our lives for this reason. You just never know.

You are so right Tam. You just can't be too careful these days!

[AJandTam]

I'm wondering now if Shaniya went with him willingly, on a ruse. But then, why did dogs not pick up her scent.

As for this guy being the mom's BF as stated in a link above, I though the BF lived in the MB with them.

Are we sure she was alive when he left w/her?? They said they suspected foul play from the begining. Was this because of signs of foul play in this trailor?

[tootie]

I would like to know exactly what the witness seen. Was he carrying Shaniya out of the mobile home in the blanket and she looked asleep? I just can't figure out whey there would have been fecal matter on the blanket and porch? That makes me think she could have been deceased before she left the residence or am I reading too much into that?

[cog1]

Are we sure she was alive when he left w/her?? They said they suspected foul play from the begining. Was this because of signs of foul play in this trailor?

That is a good question. What did they find there?

[lune3]

Yes, if Shaniya knew him should could have gone with him willingly.

What did the neighbor hear outside exactly? Anyone have clarification on that?

I also thought the BF was in the MH. :confused:

The neighbour woke up at 3 am from hearing beating/banging "on her MH wall", later clarifying that it may have been due to positioning the garbage can since it was stuck in an area between her porch and a wall. IIRC

[AJandTam]

I'm wondering now also if the custody dispute had anything to do with the dad not trusting this guy.

Good Question because the dad they said was out of state at Ft. Bragg.. Maybe the mother had issues w/too many men around the baby or something..

[annalyzer]

SO who was the other adult then? I know NG alluded it was the BF but that could be wrong or the mother could have several BF's.

AMOO

IIRC it was the mother's sister.

[cog1]

I would like to know exactly what the witness seen. Was he carrying Shaniya out of the mobile home in the blanket and she looked asleep? I just can't figure out whey there would have been fecal matter on the blanket and porch? That makes me think she could have been deceased before she left the residence or am I reading too much into that?

Tootie, when I heard that last night about the feces that was my first thougt. That she was already deceased!

Praying for her to be found!!

[lune3]

Are we sure she was alive when he left w/her?? They said they suspected foul play from the begining. Was this because of signs of foul play in this trailor?

Well, that's a good question. Is it possible something did happen earlier that night and the BF/Coe was dispatched to dispose of the body? Hate typing that.

[AJandTam]

I would like to know exactly what the witness seen. Was he carrying Shaniya out of the mobile home in the blanket and she looked asleep? I just can't figure out whey there would have been fecal matter on the blanket and porch? That makes me think she could have been deceased before she left the residence or am I reading too much into that?

I"m thinking this too. That evidence was disposed of in the trailor park because she was harmed in the home. .

[cog1]

IIRC it was the mother's sister.

Thank you I missed that. Okay so the sister hmm. I guess it was a process of illumination then. As to who the family was close to as in bf's, family, etc.

[AJandTam]

Well, that's a good question. Is it possible something did happen earlier that night and the BF/Coe was dispatched to dispose of the body? Hate typing that.

I think so. .And i'm kind of suspecting that the mother might be joining the BF at the jail soon. Just a hunch, we'll see.

[cog1]

IIRC it was the mother's sister.

Thank you I missed that. Okay so the sister hmm. I guess it was a process of elimination then. As to who the family was close to as in bf's, family, etc.

[lune3]

I think so. .And i'm kind of suspecting that the mother might be joining the BF at the jail soon. Just a hunch, we'll see.

The blanket thing at 3 am, and Shaniya's disappearance at "5:30" are a bit to coincidental for me.

[Katt2]

Katt2, I could sware that is what the article said. Maybe I imagined it? It sure isn't there now.

Sorry for any confusion!

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7114221

Police spokesperson Theresa Chance did not identify the witness or say what time Coe was allegedly seen with the girl. (I don't know where I got 3 a.m. from. SORRY!!)

No problem. Just thought I might have missed some info.

[AJandTam]

The blanket thing at 3 am, and Shaniya's disappearance at "5:30" are a bit to coincidental for me.

Me too. I think the mom and the bf did something to the baby, and she helped the BF try to cover it up.. maybe they thought the blanket in the trash can would make people think real abduction?

[cog1]

The blanket thing at 3 am, and Shaniya's disappearance at "5:30" are a bit to coincidental for me.

Lune, I don't think the blanket was found at 3 am in fact the entire 3 am thing was due to my error!

The only thing I've heard regarding 3 am (take with a grain of salt) was the next door neighbor hearing something around that time.

AMOO

[annalyzer]

Thank you I missed that. Okay so the sister hmm. I guess it was a process of elimination then. As to who the family was close to as in bf's, family, etc.

From what I've read it was the sister's home, she was renting it, and Shaniya's mom moved in with her. But I also thought I read that the mom's BF was there that morning.

[tootie]

I think so. .And i'm kind of suspecting that the mother might be joining the BF at the jail soon. Just a hunch, we'll see.

I totally agree. I hate to be so suspicious of the mother but nowadays you never know.

[lune3]

It's possible that Andrea Moore is the witness. With that banging at 3 am, wouldn't it be a natural reaction to peek out the window to see what that was? Maybe she was instructed not to reveal that info to the press until this guy was found?

[cog1]

No problem. Just thought I might have missed some info.

Things are coming out now in bits and pieces but NO you did not miss anything! LOL

[AJandTam]

Lune, I don't think the blanket was found at 3 am in fact the entire 3 am thing was due to my error!

The only thing I've heard regarding 3 am (take with a grain of salt) was the next door neighbor hearing something around that time.

AMOO

Cog, what she is saying is that what the neighbor heard was them putting the blanket in the trash can as part of the clean up or whatever , then they claimed later this fake 5 am story..

[annalyzer]

It's possible that Andrea Moore is the witness. With that banging at 3 am, wouldn't it be a natural reaction to peek out the window to see what that was? Maybe she was instructed not to reveal that info to the press until this guy was found?

But I thought I'd read that the bf was at the home that morning and was also being questioned early on. That's why I couldn't understand why Shaniya being seen taken from the home didn't result in this man's arrest right away. :confused:

[AJandTam]

It's possible that Andrea Moore is the witness. With that banging at 3 am, wouldn't it be a natural reaction to peek out the window to see what that was? Maybe she was instructed not to reveal that info to the press until this guy was found?

Maybe so..

[cog1]

I totally agree. I hate to be so suspicious of the mother but nowadays you never know.

I agree with both of you. Sad to say but we sure have seen it before.

AMOO

Has anyone uncovered what the social service visits were about?

[lune3]

Lune, I don't think the blanket was found at 3 am in fact the entire 3 am thing was due to my error!

The only thing I've heard regarding 3 am (take with a grain of salt) was the next door neighbor hearing something around that time.

AMOO

But the neighbour did evidently clarify that the banging at 3 am was due to the garbage can being moved from its spot, according to what I read last night about her phone interview with NG. Second hand info, I did not watch NG.

But yes, she found the blanket in the morning I guess.

[cog1]

Cog, what she is saying is that what the neighbor heard was them putting the blanket in the trash can as part of the clean up or whatever , then they claimed later this fake 5 am story..

Okay gotcha! I'm paranoid now! LOL

[cog1]

But the neighbour did evidently clarify that the banging at 3 am was due to the garbage can being moved from its spot, according to what I read last night about her phone interview with NG. Second hand info, I did not watch NG.

But yes, she found the blanket in the morning I guess.

Those are 2 different people.

The neighbor who heard the banging is right next door to where Shaniya lived.

The blanket was found a good ways away. Not close to Shaniya's house.

Does that make sense? LOL

[AJandTam]

I agree with both of you. Sad to say but we sure have seen it before.

AMOO

Has anyone uncovered what the social service visits were about?

Don't know but whatever reason they were there for, IMHO, someone was right to have turned them in, as I think there was infact, a problem.. The bf, the mom or both. .

[annalyzer]

But the neighbour did evidently clarify that the banging at 3 am was due to the garbage can being moved from its spot, according to what I read last night about her phone interview with NG. Second hand info, I did not watch NG.

But yes, she found the blanket in the morning I guess.

LE found the blanket and supposedly told her it had the child's feces on it and there was feces also on the back porch of the trailor. Why LE would tell her this I don't know but that is what was reported the neighbor said.

[tootie]

But I thought I'd read that the bf was at the home that morning and was also being questioned early on. That's why I couldn't understand why Shaniya being seen taken from the home didn't result in this man's arrest right away. :confused:

You did read that the boyfriend was in the home the night/morning she went missing I just can't find the link.

[cog1]

Don't know but whatever reason they were there for, IMHO, someone was right to have turned them in, as I think there was infact, a problem.. The bf, the mom or both. .

Yes, something was going on and in earlier reports it stated that Shaniya had gone between the mom and dad many times. Living with one then the other, back and forth.

[lune3]

Those are 2 different people.

The neighbor who heard the banging is right next door to where Shaniya lived.

The blanket was found a good ways away. Not close to Shaniya's house.

Does that make sense? LOL

Wait, wasn't it Andrea Moore, the neighbour who heard the banging? And she said LE found the blanket in HER garbage can. I'll try to find the link, it's about 4 or 5 pages back...pretty sure I read her account.
Or am I missing something?

[cog1]

You did read that the boyfriend was in the home the night/morning she went missing I just can't find the link.

I know it was said on NG but don't have a link.

[annalyzer]

Those are 2 different people.

The neighbor who heard the banging is right next door to where Shaniya lived.

The blanket was found a good ways away. Not close to Shaniya's house.

Does that make sense? LOL

then the stories have changed because earlier it was the same neighbor who heard the banging and then LE found the blanket in her trashcan.

[cog1]

Wait, wasn't it Andrea Moore, the neighbour who heard the banging? And she said she found the blanket in HER garbage can. I'll try to find the link, it's about 4 or 5 pages back...pretty sure I read her account.
Or am I missing something?


I thought it was 2 seperate people/reports and places? I'm off to look too!

[tootie]

Here it is and it is the first link posted in this thread.....http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/story/6387156.

Now the thing is did mom have more than 1 boyfriend?

[cog1]

then the stories have changed because earlier it was the same neighbor who heard the banging and then LE found the blanket in her trashcan.

OK then I am totally confused and confusing all here. I'm off to read and will correct my posts!

Sorry again!!!

[lune3]

Here is the articl;e about the blanket:

Investigators recovered a blanket that might belong to Shaniya Nicole Davis from a neighbor's garbage can. The neighbor, Andrea Moore, said police told her the blanket belonged to the missing girl.

Moore said she was awakened by noises outside her home at about 3 a.m. Tuesday.

"It sounded like somebody was beating (on the wall)," she said.

She went back to sleep but was awakened later by police saying they were confiscating her trash can because it contained evidence in the disappearance of her young neighbor.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6397519/

Also, read post #124...she said the same thing on the NG show.

[annalyzer]

OK then I am totally confused and confusing all here. I'm off to read and will correct my posts!

Sorry again!!!

here it is

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6397519/

[AmndaRcknwth]

In case anyone new to the thread wants the pics, they are saved here:

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Shaniyah%20Davis/

[VC2]

LE found the blanket and supposedly told her it had the child's feces on it and there was feces also on the back porch of the trailor. Why LE would tell her this I don't know but that is what was reported the neighbor said.

the article bout coe being b/f also said other items that shaniya would be wearing were found too :(

[cog1]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0911/11/ng.01.html

ANDREA MOORE, NEIGHBOR WHO FOUND BLANKET IN TRASH (via telephone): OK.

GRACE: Ms. Moore, can you hear me all right?

MOORE: I can hear you fine, yes.

GRACE: OK. Good. Again, thank you for being with us, Ms. Moore. Everyone, Ms. Moore joining us from Fayetteville, North Carolina. This is Shaniya`s neighbor. Ms. Moore, are you their direct next-door neighbor?

MOORE: No, I`m not. I live across the street from the family.

GRACE: Oh. So you`re like the front`s-door neighbor?

MOORE: Right. I live on the main street coming into this park.

GRACE: OK.

MOORE: And they live on a side street off of the main street.

GRACE: I understand. Ms. Moore, how far away from your home is their home, would you say? How many feet?

MOORE: Oh, maybe 200.

GRACE: Now, I`m interested in that, Ms. Moore -- with me is Shaniya`s neighbor of about 200 feet away -- how Shaniya`s blanket, her baby blanket, could end up in your trash? Had their family ever used your trash receptacle before?

MOORE: Well, I can`t say that that family did, but many people use our trash cans on this side of the street.

GRACE: Two hundred feet away is quite a distance to walk to throw away a baby`s blanket. Ms. Moore -- with me, everyone, from Fayetteville, North Carolina, Andrea Moore. Police have recovered Shaniya`s -- little Shaniya`s favorite blanket in her trash

Is this the same lady who heard the noise at around 3am?

[tootie]

Let's assemble some facts to try and sort through.

Facts:

1. Shaniya Davis is reported missing Tuesday November 10th at about 6:50 to 6:53 in the morning.

2. Mom tells police she last seen her daughter at 5:30 am when she put her on the couch.

3. Blanket with fecal matter was found in Andrea Moore's trash can.

4. Fecal matter was found on the porch of the mobile home where Shaniya lived.

5. Unknown witness reported Coe as being seen with the child.

6. Coe is arrested on kidnapping charges and is to be arraigned Thursday afternoon.

7. Mobile home park manager reports Coe as being the boyfriend of mother and has been to mobile home on several occasions.

Someone else help me with some more facts about the case so we can get out everything we know up to this point and correct me if I am wrong on any of mine.

[cog1]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0911/11/ng.01.html

GRACE: Well, hold on. Let`s go to Andrea Moore -- Andrea Moore. Ms. Moore, what did you hear around 3:00 AM?

MOORE: Well, it didn`t sound like anyone was trying to literally get into my house, but I heard noise outside of the house.

GRACE: What kind of noise?

MOORE: It sounded like a struggle, but I know it wasn`t anybody per se fighting. But it just sounded like banging on my side of the house.

GRACE: Right. Right.

Okay, so it was the same person who heard the noise at 3am. Just not right next the Shaniya's home. Approximately 200 feet away!

[cog1]

If I remember right yes she said she heard banging on the side of her trailer. Wasnt she the only one NG interviewed last night about this I dont recall another person or neighbor she talked to but I may be wrong .

Yes, you are right she is the one. I just posted that info after your comment.

Ok, I have this cleared up in my head. Now, can we add that to the list? Where this trailer was located compared to where Shaniya lived?

[tootie]

Links added to backup the facts that I listed. Please feel free to add to it so we can get all this stuff straight. Let's assemble some facts to try and sort through.

Facts:

1. Shaniya Davis is reported missing Tuesday November 10th at about 6:50 to 6:53 in the morning. http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/story/6387156

2. Mom tells police she last seen her daughter at 5:30 am when she put her on the couch. http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/story/6387156
http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m11d11-Foul-play-suspected-in-disappearance-of-5yearold-Shaniya-Davis

3. Blanket with fecal matter was found in Andrea Moore's trash can. http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m11d11-Blanket-believed-to-belong-to-Shaniya-Davis-found-in-neighbors-trash

4. Fecal matter was found on the porch of the mobile home where Shaniya lived. http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m11d11-Blanket-believed-to-belong-to-Shaniya-Davis-found-in-neighbors-trash

5. Unknown witness reported Coe as being seen with the child. http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7114221

6. Coe is arrested on kidnapping charges and is to be arraigned Thursday afternoon. http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2009/11/12/general-us-girl-disappears-nc_7116098.html

7. Mobile home park manager reports Coe as being the boyfriend of mother and has been to mobile home on several occasions. http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2009/11/12/general-us-girl-disappears-nc_7116098.html

Someone else help me with some more facts about the case so we can get out everything we know up to this point and correct me if I am wrong on any of mine.

[cog1]

I wish my son still lived in that town I would have him check out where this place is. I am 2 hours from there may have to take a drive this weekend and check it out.

Well, your Nic indicates you will do that for us! LOL JK!! But, if you did please take pics of where trash can was located and where Shaniya lived.

TIA

[cog1]

Links added to backup the facts that I listed. Please feel free to add to it so we can get all this stuff straight. Let's assemble some facts to try and sort through.

Facts:

1. Shaniya Davis is reported missing Tuesday November 10th at about 6:50 to 6:53 in the morning. http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/story/6387156

2. Mom tells police she last seen her daughter at 5:30 am when she put her on the couch. http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/story/6387156
http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m11d11-Foul-play-suspected-in-disappearance-of-5yearold-Shaniya-Davis

3. Blanket with fecal matter was found in Andrea Moore's trash can. http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m11d11-Blanket-believed-to-belong-to-Shaniya-Davis-found-in-neighbors-trash

4. Fecal matter was found on the porch of the mobile home where Shaniya lived. http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m11d11-Blanket-believed-to-belong-to-Shaniya-Davis-found-in-neighbors-trash

5. Unknown witness reported Coe as being seen with the child. http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7114221

6. Coe is arrested on kidnapping charges and is to be arraigned Thursday afternoon. http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2009/11/12/general-us-girl-disappears-nc_7116098.html

7. Mobile home park manager reports Coe as being the boyfriend of mother and has been to mobile home on several occasions. http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2009/11/12/general-us-girl-disappears-nc_7116098.html

Someone else help me with some more facts about the case so we can get out everything we know up to this point and correct me if I am wrong on any of mine.

Tootie, can we add that the trash can with the blanket and where the noise was heard in 3am is about 200 feet away on a different street? I'm not what it will do for us but it could help down the road.

TIA

[nuttintodo]

I agree with both of you. Sad to say but we sure have seen it before.

AMOO

Has anyone uncovered what the social service visits were about?

"There have been major DSS issues with this family – who has custody, switching back and forth," Chance said.

Chance said it's unknown whether the child's disappearance is related to those issues. Police said Shaniya's father flew in from out of state Tuesday afternoon and was talking to investigators.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6387156/

Also in article, it states that the police have been there on numerous occasions for drug related issues.

Maybe mom had bf to take Shaniya so her bio dad couldn't see/take her. I'm hoping there's going to be a good end to the story but somehow I doubt it.

moo

[cog1]

Great job:laugh: I dont understand the feces being on the porch does anyone else understand this?

THe only thing I can think of is if Shaniya was wrapped in the blanket and it already had feces on it, then it may have rubbed on the rails of the porch.

IDK!!

[tootie]

Great job:laugh: I dont understand the feces being on the porch does anyone else understand this?

Not unless that child was deceased before she left the house. So no I don't understand it.

Cog1, sure just start it with fact number 8! I'm not sure I understand you otherwise I would do it.

[tootie]

Yep, there is no way they wouldn't have heard anyone come in. I don't think the child was there that night. :scared:

In fact number 5, the article states The Fayetteville Police Department said Thursday that a witness saw the man charged in the abduction of a 5-year-old girl leaving the mobile home park where she lives with the girl in his car. http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7114221

[cog1]

Not unless that child was deceased before she left the house. So no I don't understand it.

Cog1, sure just start it with fact number 8! I'm not sure I understand you otherwise I would do it.

Tootie, does this make sense for your list:

8. Andrea Moore lives on the main street coming into the park. The Davis home is located 200 feet away on a side street. THis is where the blanket was found in the trash and also where Ms. Moore heard a noise around 3am in the morning. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0911/11/ng.01.html


I've tried to update the list but I get a message telling me it must be atleast 10 characters long. ???

[cog1]

Should this also be added to list? Someone mentioned this upthread.

Police spokeswoman Theresa Chance said the family has a history with the Department of Social Services as far as custody of Shaniya and other children in the house.

Chance said police also have been called to the home before. Officers served a search warrant at the home over the summer and found various illegal drugs inside.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6397519/

[lune3]

Great job:laugh: I dont understand the feces being on the porch does anyone else understand this?

Let's think about this. IF the blanket was used to mop up a mess in the bathroom, would one drag it out onto the porch? I don't think so. One would put it in a garbage bag, I'd think.
Also, why mop up a mess with a BLANKET? Why not a towel if that was the closest thing in the bathroom? And ......on NG, it was stated this was Shaniya's FAVOURITE blanket (if that's true). Doesn't make sense the family would use that for such a chore.

So my feeling is that possibly something bad happened, and that Shaniya was IN the blanket, maybe dragged across the porch and the blanket opened somehow. Remember, with death, the bowels empty themselves. I hate typing this but it's a possibility.

Coe or whoever gets rid of the blanket in the trash can 200 feet away at the neighbour's MH. Maybe he's in a vehicle, maybe he put Shaniya elsewhere and then took her into the woods or to that nearby lake.

I hope I'm wrong, just very wrong.

I don't get it, either Coe was in the home that night, and they all knew what happened, or he did snatch Shaniya after 5:30 and the blanket business is unrelated.

[nuttintodo]

I don't know if this has been posted but at nbc17.com there is a video up an interview of Andrea Moore and it shows the trailer, area, etc.

http://news.mync.com/site/news/video/8958/Day_Two_of_Search_for_Missing_Girl/


And has there been any other mention of a survelliance tape that the reporter refers to? TIA

[4Kids]

Should this also be added to list? Someone mentioned this upthread.

Police spokeswoman Theresa Chance said the family has a history with the Department of Social Services as far as custody of Shaniya and other children in the house.

Chance said police also have been called to the home before. Officers served a search warrant at the home over the summer and found various illegal drugs inside.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6397519/

Cog...I saw this reference last night. However, I was under the impression that this family only moved here in August. I am unsure about the dates here. Major confused.

IMO

I keep wondering about the feces. They were, from reports experiencing sewer problems. However, often times when someone passes on, feces is released within minutes of death. Sick and sad to say, yet this feces thing is extremely bothersome to me. Why is it on the blanket and porch rail? IMO

[hinman]

This is just an awful thought so please forgive me but could the fecal matter be from being molested/raped a certain way.

[tootie]

Facts:

1. Shaniya Davis is reported missing Tuesday November 10th at about 6:50 to 6:53 in the morning. http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/story/6387156

2. Mom tells police she last seen her daughter at 5:30 am when she put her on the couch. http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/story/6387156
http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m11d11-Foul-play-suspected-in-disappearance-of-5yearold-Shaniya-Davis

3. Blanket with fecal matter was found in Andrea Moore's trash can. http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m11d11-Blanket-believed-to-belong-to-Shaniya-Davis-found-in-neighbors-trash

4. Fecal matter was found on the porch of the mobile home where Shaniya lived. http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m11d11-Blanket-believed-to-belong-to-Shaniya-Davis-found-in-neighbors-trash

5. Unknown witness reported Coe as being seen with the child. http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7114221

6. Coe is arrested on kidnapping charges and is to be arraigned Thursday afternoon. http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2009/11/12/general-us-girl-disappears-nc_7116098.html

7. Mobile home park manager reports Coe as being the boyfriend of mother and has been to mobile home on several occasions. http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2009/11/12/general-us-girl-disappears-nc_7116098.html

8. Andrea Moore lives on the main street coming into the park. The Davis home is located 200 feet away on a side street. THis is where the blanket was found in the trash and also where Ms. Moore heard a noise around 3am in the morning. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0911/11/ng.01.html

9. Police spokeswoman Theresa Chance said the family has a history with the Department of Social Services as far as custody of Shaniya and other children in the house.

Chance said police also have been called to the home before. Officers served a search warrant at the home over the summer and found various illegal drugs inside. http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6397519/

Cog1 to edit the list you can't quote me, it gave me the same message as you. :confused: Anyone feel free to add to the list and repost. I have to be getting ready to run some errands.

[4Kids]

Let's think about this. IF the blanket was used to mop up a mess in the bathroom, would one drag it out onto the porch? I don't think so. One would put it in a garbage bag, I'd think.
Also, why mop up a mess with a BLANKET? Why not a towel if that was the closest thing in the bathroom? And ......on NG, it was stated this was Shaniya's FAVOURITE blanket (if that's true). Doesn't make sense the family would use that for such a chore.

So my feeling is that possibly something bad happened, and that Shaniya was IN the blanket, maybe dragged across the porch and the blanket opened somehow. Remember, with death, the bowels empty themselves. I hate typing this but it's a possibility.

Coe or whoever gets rid of the blanket in the trash can 200 feet away at the neighbour's MH. Maybe he's in a vehicle, maybe he put Shaniya elsewhere and then took her into the woods or to that nearby lake.

I hope I'm wrong, just very wrong.

I don't get it, either Coe was in the home that night, and they all knew what happened, or he did snatch Shaniya after 5:30 and the blanket business is unrelated.

I see you and I are on the very same page, sad thought it is.

The Mom's lack of interviews with the press have me concerned. I know it is not a requirement, but it certainly seems common and somewhat sensible when a child goes missing. Either she was involved or she KNEW who did this? IMO