Caylee 11/10

[desmom]

Brought over from yesterday's thread:

Question: Are syringes marked with a lot number or some type of ID number?

I guess what I am asking is there any way LE can track this syringe?

TIA

Morning Desmom

Yes they are.
Here's a recent recall

http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm188137.htm

Great question I would think so. I used to manage the Humane Society and just remembered I gave all the animals thier first shots so heck it is very easy to get them.

Hey Canada!!! Thanks for this info, boy this could get very interesting regarding that syringe if indeed they can track it.

:seeya:

Morning Ellegna, Aproudmom, Scampi and all that follow! :seeya:

Thanks, so LE should be able to track this syringe back to the manufacturer and possibly the distributor.

jmo

[desmom]

If LE can track the syringe to a distributor, they will have a better idea of the syringe's original purpose. i.e. pharmacy, medical facility, veterinarian, free clinic etc

It would definitely be another hurdle for the defense to climb, if LE can connect they syringe to Casey.

jmo

ETA - Do we know the size of the syringe? From the pics, it did not appear to be very big. TIA

[djmsmom]

Wasn't 2 toilet paper rolls also found? They can be used to "huff" inhalants. Casey would have put the chlor. on a rag and put it in the roll then had Caylee breath through the tube http://www.drugfree.org/Portal/drug_guide/Inhalants

[desmom]

I'm sure they already have.
I'm positive Casey killed Caylee, but I still think that Casey wasn't smart enough to brew up a batch of homemade chloroform. JMO, however.

Wasn't it reported the chloroform amounts were traces? I am still not sold on the chloroform either.

From the photos I have seen of the area and the items on the evidence lists, this area appeared to be kind of a dumping ground for some. The syringe may not be connected to Caylee's death.

IIRC, the syringe was inside a gatorade bottle inside a Disney bag. Did Casey also dump trash from the trunk of her car when she dumped Caylee?

jmo

[desmom]

Food for thought from http://www.thehinkymeter.com/

The Gatorade bottle and a Syringe – Chemical Analysis – Updated
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=523

The Trunk Liner – where some Real Chloroform was found
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=558

Latent print on crime scene item?
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=569

[sydney]

mornin' guys - looking at the police call record, i find it interesting that there were verbal disturbances in the late april 2005 timeframe. kc would have been what? 6 months preggers or so and perhaps unable to keep her swelling stomach as well concealed as she had before? perhaps that is the time the thonys (ahem) figured out kc was preggers and the verbal disturbances were because of that?

we will never know, will we?

(sorry if this has been discussed already - haven't been here in a while)

[aproudmom]

Good Morning all
I have been reading trough some of your post and I must say you guys have some great post. I have not been on here for awhile other than to check in so it is nice to read everyone opinions and thoughts on the new doc dump.

[Ladygator]

Des, didn't George have knee surgery?

I know when my Dad had hip surgery he had to give himself injections of a drug that started with an L. Lovelox, something like that. To help prevent blood clots, IIRC.

[sydney]

Des, didn't George have knee surgery?

I know when my Dad had hip surgery he had to give himself injections of a drug that started with an L. Lovelox, something like that. To help prevent blood clots, IIRC.

hey ms! iirc, george did have knee surgery but i believe it was in 2004 or so.

[desmom]

Wasn't 2 toilet paper rolls also found? They can be used to "huff" inhalants. Casey would have put the chlor. on a rag and put it in the roll then had Caylee breath through the tube http://www.drugfree.org/Portal/drug_guide/Inhalants

Yes. They are identified as items Q239 - pic on page 48 http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/1106/21541051.pdf

[Ladygator]

hey ms! iirc, george did have knee surgery but i believe it was in 2004 or so.

Ah, okay Syd, thanks. That was a number of years ago then. Just speculating on a connection to the Anthony's.

[Sun]

Good Morning all
I have been reading trough some of your post and I must say you guys have some great post. I have not been on here for awhile other than to check in so it is nice to read everyone opinions and thoughts on the new doc dump.

Good morning everyone and welcome back aproudmom. It's hard to believe that November is 1/3 over with, time sure is flying by quickly. It's now been over a month since the last court hearing IIRC. I am ready for the next one, and to get justice rolling along. :thumbup:

[Ladygator]

mornin' guys - looking at the police call record, i find it interesting that there were verbal disturbances in the late april 2005 timeframe. kc would have been what? 6 months preggers or so and perhaps unable to keep her swelling stomach as well concealed as she had before? perhaps that is the time the thonys (ahem) figured out kc was preggers and the verbal disturbances were because of that?

we will never know, will we?

(sorry if this has been discussed already - haven't been here in a while)

All I know is that IMO, LE was called out to their home too many times. An above average amount, I'd say.

[sydney]

Ah, okay Syd, thanks. That was a number of years ago then. Just speculating on a connection to the Anthony's.

i've been thinking about it, too. they have pets and iirc, cindy said one of them was sick (that's why she looked up chlorophyll - to see if it could have made her dog sick). perhaps this animal or one of the other animals were on meds administered by injection? i had a diabetic dog that we had to give insulin to twice a day - never had a problem getting syringes, either. and, like someone said on the last thread, we kept them in a coffee can with duct tape around the lid to return to the vet to dispose of.

just thinkin out loud.

[Ladygator]

i've been thinking about it, too. they have pets and iirc, cindy said one of them was sick (that's why she looked up chlorophyll - to see if it could have made her dog sick). perhaps this animal or one of the other animals were on meds administered by injection? i had a diabetic dog that we had to give insulin to twice a day - never had a problem getting syringes, either. and, like someone said on the last thread, we kept them in a coffee can with duct tape around the lid to return to the vet to dispose of.

just thinkin out loud.

I really don't think the dogs were sick, as Cindy claims. Not in that manner, anyway.

IMO, she was looking for words similar to Chloroform, found Chrlorophyll, and went with the dog story. It's a no brainer that a dog would throw up after eating grass or plants, lol. And there is no need for an injection of anything to make them better.

If the Anthony's had syringes from a Vet, it was for something else, IMO.

[sydney]

i was thinking about the family finances, too.

iirc cindy had to withdraw from her 401k to pay off:

1) george's gambling/internet scam debts
2) the charges kc had run up on the credit cards
3) income tax penalties/fines because george withdrew his pension
didn't tell cindy, and didn't declare it on the return

i also recall that george got a wc settlement but that money was spent elsewhere

des, can you help me out? seems to me the story about finances has continued to morph.

thanks.

[desmom]

Des, didn't George have knee surgery?

I know when my Dad had hip surgery he had to give himself injections of a drug that started with an L. Lovelox, something like that. To help prevent blood clots, IIRC.

George talked about his knee injury/surgery beginning on page 67 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310228/detail.html in the State deposition.

Went to work for Falcon Termite and Pest Control in 2005.

Did inside/outside pest control.

Was injured on the job when he fell into an "eight-foot-deep hole and completely shredded all the ligaments and tendons in my right knee, completely just wiped my whole knee out." Had to have knee replacement.

Surgery was "in about 2006. I've hade it for about three or four years now."

On worker's comp for almost 18 months.

jmo

[jammies]

i've been thinking about it, too. they have pets and iirc, cindy said one of them was sick (that's why she looked up chlorophyll - to see if it could have made her dog sick). perhaps this animal or one of the other animals were on meds administered by injection? i had a diabetic dog that we had to give insulin to twice a day - never had a problem getting syringes, either. and, like someone said on the last thread, we kept them in a coffee can with duct tape around the lid to return to the vet to dispose of.

just thinkin out loud.


Hi, syd! Cindy could easily have obtained syringes from her workplace. For that matter, as much as Casey was in and out of there....dropping Caylee off....she may have had access also.

Wonder if Cindy had keys to open/close her office? Are there security cameras? too many questions.....

[sydney]

George talked about his knee injury/surgery beginning on page 67 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310228/detail.html in the State deposition.

Went to work for Falcon Termite and Pest Control in 2005.

Did inside/outside pest control.

Was injured on the job when he fell into an "eight-foot-deep hole and completely shredded all the ligaments and tendons in my right knee, completely just wiped my whole knee out." Had to have knee replacement.

Surgery was "in about 2006. I've hade it for about three or four years now."



On worker's comp for almost 18 months.

jmo

thanks, des - i stand corrected :tonguewag:

interesting timing for the surgery. 2006 i would think he would be mostly home recovering afterwards - that is a major surgery. 18 months on wc is a long time to be presumably home? would he not notice more about kc's comings and goings in this timeframe?

do you know when he went back to work?

[aproudmom]

Good morning everyone and welcome back aproudmom. It's hard to believe that November is 1/3 over with, time sure is flying by quickly. It's now been over a month since the last court hearing IIRC. I am ready for the next one, and to get justice rolling along. :thumbup:

Hi Sun yeah I watched the last court hearing, I can't miss that...lol

[sydney]

Hi, syd! Cindy could easily have obtained syringes from her workplace. For that matter, as much as Casey was in and out of there....dropping Caylee off....she may have had access also.

Wonder if Cindy had keys to open/close her office? Are there security cameras? too many questions.....

hey, jamm. dunno about the keys - i believe she had another person who worked with her in the same capacity and they would rotate early/late shifts.

[ish]

I really don't think the dogs were sick, as Cindy claims. Not in that manner, anyway.

IMO, she was looking for words similar to Chloroform, found Chrlorophyll, and went with the dog story. It's a no brainer that a dog would throw up after eating grass or plants, lol. And there is no need for an injection of anything to make them better.

If the Anthony's had syringes from a Vet, it was for something else, IMO.

my bold

Cindy is grasping at straws here to help Casey, if she searched for Chlorophyll that's what LE would have found, searches for Chlorophyll. But LE found "searches for Chloroform".

If I recall correctly, George said he and CIndy at one time bred Cocker Spaniels. As breeders they would be familiar with dogs eating grass, the reasons for it and the results of doing it. Most regular dog owners quickly get educated on what happens minutes after their dog eats grass. PUKING!!!

[aproudmom]

Hi, syd! Cindy could easily have obtained syringes from her workplace. For that matter, as much as Casey was in and out of there....dropping Caylee off....she may have had access also.

Wonder if Cindy had keys to open/close her office? Are there security cameras? too many questions.....

that's what I was going to say didnt KC dump Caylee off there all the time for mommy to watch her I guess that was before the InvisaZanny came along.

[jammies]

that's what I was going to say didnt KC dump Caylee off there all the time for mommy to watch her I guess that was before the InvisaZanny came along.


Yes, she frequently dropped her off so she could go to "work". :rolleyes:
I can see her sticky fingers taking just about anything she could stuff in her purse.

[Ladygator]

my bold

Cindy is grasping at straws here to help Casey, if she searched for Chlorophyll that's what LE would have found, searches for Chlorophyll. But LE found "searches for Chloroform".

If I recall correctly, George said he and CIndy at one time bred Cocker Spaniels. As breeders they would be familiar with dogs eating grass, the reasons for it and the results of doing it. Most regular dog owners quickly get educated on what happens minutes after their dog eats grass. PUKING!!!

ITA But this is a pattern with Cindy. Doesn't matter what the evidence is, she has a story.

Of course Chlorophyll would have showed up in the computer forensics. Cindy doesn't care!!!

If my dog chews grass, I know what's next. Usually, within minutes!!barf

[sydney]

i hate to appear ignorant (but sometimes, i just can't help it :rolleyes:), but how does george's "off work for 18 months" and his and cindy's separation coincide, if at all? do those times overlap?

here i am presuming that he was off work for 18 months and would prolly have more access, as it were, to kc's schedule, since he would be home recovering. however, iirc, george and cindy separated shortly after caylee's birth in 2005 - early 2006 perhaps?

i would really like to put together a timeline for this period of time. des - can you please, please help me?

thanks.

[sydney]

ITA But this is a pattern with Cindy. Doesn't matter what the evidence is, she has a story.

Of course Chlorophyll would have showed up in the computer forensics. Cindy doesn't care!!!

If my dog chews grass, I know what's next. Usually, within minutes!!barf

how many of us remember what chlorophyll is from our grammar school days? i sure do, and i didn't even have to search the puter for it!

[desmom]

i was thinking about the family finances, too.

iirc cindy had to withdraw from her 401k to pay off:

1) george's gambling/internet scam debts
2) the charges kc had run up on the credit cards
3) income tax penalties/fines because george withdrew his pension
didn't tell cindy, and didn't declare it on the return

i also recall that george got a wc settlement but that money was spent elsewhere

des, can you help me out? seems to me the story about finances has continued to morph.

thanks.

George told the FBI during his summer 2008 interview it was an email scam. He said he told his wife it was on-line gambling. - begins on page 28 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20224461/detail.html

I know he told another version of maxing out their credit card with on line gambling, but I can't find it. Need more coffee. :tonguewag:

[Ladygator]

how many of us remember what chlorophyll is from our grammar school days? i sure do, and i didn't even have to search the puter for it!

Good point, lol.

[trich]

I really don't think the dogs were sick, as Cindy claims. Not in that manner, anyway.

IMO, she was looking for words similar to Chloroform, found Chrlorophyll, and went with the dog story. It's a no brainer that a dog would throw up after eating grass or plants, lol. And there is no need for an injection of anything to make them better.

If the Anthony's had syringes from a Vet, it was for something else, IMO.

Well maybe Lenny was right and George was giving himself steroid shots. That would account for testosterone being found too wouldn't ya think?:shrug:

[Ladygator]

i hate to appear ignorant (but sometimes, i just can't help it :rolleyes:), but how does george's "off work for 18 months" and his and cindy's separation coincide, if at all? do those times overlap?

here i am presuming that he was off work for 18 months and would prolly have more access, as it were, to kc's schedule, since he would be home recovering. however, iirc, george and cindy separated shortly after caylee's birth in 2005 - early 2006 perhaps?

i would really like to put together a timeline for this period of time. des - can you please, please help me?

thanks.

Casey was able to fool them for 3 years!!!! I imagine the earlier days were easier.

[ish]

thanks, des - i stand corrected :tonguewag:

interesting timing for the surgery. 2006 i would think he would be mostly home recovering afterwards - that is a major surgery. 18 months on wc is a long time to be presumably home? would he not notice more about kc's comings and goings in this timeframe?

do you know when he went back to work?

my bold

When were George and Cindy seperated? Maybe he spent his recuperating period with his parents?

WIth George out of the house, Casey had no one keeping tabs on her during the day. This is when she dumped Caylee on Lauren Gibbs, telling her she was working and she could leave Caylee with Cindy at night with the same excuse. When George returned home, Casey's routine was disturbed. Now she had to get out of the house during various hours of the daytime to keep up her masquerade of working. George got suspicious, started checking up on her and the battles that Casey and George had previous to Caylee's birth resumed. In order to keep the peace, Cindy laid the law down to George that she would deal with Casey. He was to stay out of it. George fumed about it but had to go along. I think that is why when the opportunity to rein Casey in with the stealing of the gas came about, he filed a police report. It was a feeble attempt, since he didn't tell cops he suspected her, but it gave him some sense of satisfaction. Of course, Cindy gave Casey a heads up and she flounced in to return the cans and smart mouth George.

[spydernweb2006]

Good Morning Everyone!

Anyone else find the no response at all from the defense from the last doc dump funny? I expected by now to hear some kind of defense spin but so far nada unless I am missing something.

I do think the bug report is the most damming by far for the defense. Death insects will only show up and leave evidence behind if a dead body was there.

JMHO

hugs,
Spyder

[Lavinya]

Hi, syd! Cindy could easily have obtained syringes from her workplace. For that matter, as much as Casey was in and out of there....dropping Caylee off....she may have had access also.

Wonder if Cindy had keys to open/close her office? Are there security cameras? too many questions.....

I'm not sure where I'm getting this idea, but for some reason I thought Cindy worked in a room with quite a few desks working together. I didn't think she had an office of her own. Anyone else see something that made you think she was in a set-up like that?

[desmom]

thanks, des - i stand corrected :tonguewag:

interesting timing for the surgery. 2006 i would think he would be mostly home recovering afterwards - that is a major surgery. 18 months on wc is a long time to be presumably home? would he not notice more about kc's comings and goings in this timeframe?

do you know when he went back to work?

I am not sure. IIRC, George bounced around a lot in jobs.

jmo

[ish]

ITA But this is a pattern with Cindy. Doesn't matter what the evidence is, she has a story.
Of course Chlorophyll would have showed up in the computer forensics. Cindy doesn't care!!!

If my dog chews grass, I know what's next. Usually, within minutes!!barf

my bold

You got that right. :thumbsup:

[desmom]

my bold

When were George and Cindy seperated? Maybe he spent his recuperating period with his parents?

--snipped--

page 121 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310228/detail.html

They were separated from October 2005 - June 2006.

jmo

[aproudmom]

i've been thinking about it, too. they have pets and iirc, cindy said one of them was sick (that's why she looked up chlorophyll - to see if it could have made her dog sick). perhaps this animal or one of the other animals were on meds administered by injection? i had a diabetic dog that we had to give insulin to twice a day - never had a problem getting syringes, either. and, like someone said on the last thread, we kept them in a coffee can with duct tape around the lid to return to the vet to dispose of.

just thinkin out loud.

Cindy always has to come up with something well it would be very easy to get vet records to see if they gave or called them in any medication. I just lost my Rottie they were giving him steroid inj. for 4 days saying it was a slip disc and I kept saying he was drinking so much they never gave him a blood test so I took him to another vet they could not save him he was diabetic it had did something to his cells and organs.:sad::mad: sorry when you said that made me think of my smokie

[desmom]

I'm not sure where I'm getting this idea, but for some reason I thought Cindy worked in a room with quite a few desks working together. I didn't think she had an office of her own. Anyone else see something that made you think she was in a set-up like that?

From her co-worker's interviews, that is the impression I had also. jmo

[KTBarTheDoor]

Hi, syd! Cindy could easily have obtained syringes from her workplace. For that matter, as much as Casey was in and out of there....dropping Caylee off....she may have had access also.

Wonder if Cindy had keys to open/close her office? Are there security cameras? too many questions.....

My insulin syringes do have a number on box but they dont have any numbers on bags or syringes.

[sydney]

i was reading cindy's prosecution depo - this is what i found regarding financial difficulties (so far)

page 71 - 72

A. yeah. it was right after caylee was born.

Q. okay. was that over financial --

A. uh-huh

Q. -- issues?
....
A. it was just - it was all financial. he just -- he didn't tell me about -- that he had claimed his pension fund back when he was at the sentinel on, i think, our 2001 or 2002 income taxes, and it came back to haunt him in 2005.

....

Q. did you all end up in some sort of debt as a result of whatever george didn't tell you that came back to haunt him?

A. actually --

...

A. -- no. the timing was good because he had gotten his settlement from his workers comp injury.

later on, she is asked about the separation date:

A. ...until i think it was june of 2006, from november to june. from november of 2005 to june of 2006.

so, how can he have had surgery in 2006 but have gotten his wc settlement in 2005? they way it usually works up here is you don't settle until your treatment is over - not before.

also, i thought you had to be vested in your pension before you could take it out, as well, and that george didn't work for the sentinel that long........i'm confused.

[Ladygator]

Cindy always has to come up with something well it would be very easy to get vet records to see if they gave or called them in any medication.I just lost my Rottie they were giving him steroid inj. for 4 days saying it was a slip disc and I kept saying he was drinking so much they never gave him a blood test so I took him to another vet they could not save him he was diabetic it had did something to his cells and organs.:sad::mad: sorry when you said that made me think of my smokie

Just like it was easy enough for LE to get Casey's employment records from Universal. If LE was to get the Anthony vet records, and it showed syringes were given to them for their dogs, Cindy would say "Well, I don't know. I don't recall that happening. I have to go by what LE says.":rolleyes: Wouldn't matter that since it is her DOGS, and her VET, she could obtain the medical records on her own. Smoke and mirror and a bunch of mis-truths with this bunch!!

[Sun]

thanks, des - i stand corrected :tonguewag:

interesting timing for the surgery. 2006 i would think he would be mostly home recovering afterwards - that is a major surgery. 18 months on wc is a long time to be presumably home? would he not notice more about kc's comings and goings in this timeframe?

do you know when he went back to work?

Too bad that LE didn't pin George down a little closer on just "when" he went on WC, and when the surgery was done (it doesn't take 18 months to "recover" from knee replacement surgergy IIRC). However, it does seem as if George would NOT have been working during much of 2006 (he was separated from Cindy, and stayed with his parents until approx April/June 2006). Cindy and George appear to have given quite a wide range of dates for when they were separated. Anyway, Oct 2005 (or maybe Dec 2005) through June 2006 (or maybe April 2006).

George knew that Casey wasn't working. He was just forbidden by Cindy, to say anything about it, or to question Casey about it. And, when Cindy "says" something, George does as she says.

[jammies]

I'm not sure where I'm getting this idea, but for some reason I thought Cindy worked in a room with quite a few desks working together. I didn't think she had an office of her own. Anyone else see something that made you think she was in a set-up like that?

Hi, Lav. I don't remember seeing that set up. What I was referring to was not her SPECIFIC office, but the actual building or office complex. If she opened or closed, she had to have keys.

Just thinking out loud and pondering if Casey would have "borrowed" Cindy's keys. Then there's the security aspect, so who knows. I've never paid attention to camera's in a doctor's office/complex. I go in today so will be scoping out the place!

[Spots]

Brought over from yesterday's thread:

Morning Ellegna, Aproudmom, Scampi and all that follow! :seeya:

Thanks, so LE should be able to track this syringe back to the manufacturer and possibly the distributor.

jmo


From Ellegna's link:

"You can find the lot number on the white paper backing of each individual syringe."

This indicates the lot number is *not* on the syringe itself. If the plastic found around the syringe is the original packaging, they might luck out and find the lot number.

My syringes come in a plastic front/paper back enclosure. If the paper is intact - and the lot number readable - there's hope. If the paper portion was exposed to the elements, maybe not so lucky.

I've found the lot numbers are pretty faint and hard to read when they're brand new.

[Lavinya]

From her co-worker's interviews, that is the impression I had also. jmo

Yeah, it seems like I *saw* something that gave me that idea, too, like video or a pic or something. I can't figure out if I have just adopted where I worked in home health to where she worked or if I really did see it.:confused::blink:

[Spots]

i was reading cindy's prosecution depo - this is what i found regarding financial difficulties (so far)

page 71 - 72

A. yeah. it was right after caylee was born.

Q. okay. was that over financial --

A. uh-huh

Q. -- issues?
....
A. it was just - it was all financial. he just -- he didn't tell me about -- that he had claimed his pension fund back when he was at the sentinel on, i think, our 2001 or 2002 income taxes, and it came back to haunt him in 2005.

....

Q. did you all end up in some sort of debt as a result of whatever george didn't tell you that came back to haunt him?

A. actually --

...

A. -- no. the timing was good because he had gotten his settlement from his workers comp injury.

later on, she is asked about the separation date:

A. ...until i think it was june of 2006, from november to june. from november of 2005 to june of 2006.

so, how can he have had surgery in 2006 but have gotten his wc settlement in 2005? they way it usually works up here is you don't settle until your treatment is over - not before.

also, i thought you had to be vested in your pension before you could take it out, as well, and that george didn't work for the sentinel that long........i'm confused.

Apparently Cindy is, too. :D

[Lavinya]

Hi, Lav. I don't remember seeing that set up. What I was referring to was not her SPECIFIC office, but the actual building or office complex. If she opened or closed, she had to have keys.

Just thinking out loud and pondering if Casey would have "borrowed" Cindy's keys. Then there's the security aspect, so who knows. I've never paid attention to camera's in a doctor's office/complex. I go in today so will be scoping out the place!

Oh, gotcha, Jammies. I was just wondering if she had a private office that Casey could pilfer when she went to visit.

[sydney]

Too bad that LE didn't pin George down a little closer on just "when" he went on WC, and when the surgery was done (it doesn't take 18 months to "recover" from knee replacement surgergy IIRC). However, it does seem as if George would NOT have been working during much of 2006 (he was separated from Cindy, and stayed with his parents until approx April/June 2006). Cindy and George appear to have given quite a wide range of dates for when they were separated. Anyway, Oct 2005 (or maybe Dec 2005) through June 2006 (or maybe April 2006).

George knew that Casey wasn't working. He was just forbidden by Cindy, to say anything about it, or to question Casey about it. And, when Cindy "says" something, George does as she says.

you are correct, sun. iirc, george said in his dep to the prosecution that, after he tried to track kc down at sports authority and learned she wasn't working, cindy told him to back off and that she would "handle it". so, george didn't want to rock the boat, so to speak, and let it go.

huge friggin' mistake. he is as much to blame as cindy by his inactions in showing kc right from wrong and not standing up to cindy.

[ish]

page 121 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310228/detail.html

They were separated from October 2005 - June 2006.

jmo

Thanks Des! Reading those comments by George about the situation in the house prior to and after Caylee's birth is very enlightening.

Cindy made it clear, Casey and Caylee were staying, George was free to go or stay, but criticism of Casey was not going to be allowed. Casey could not be "upset" by George's lack of trust in her, Cindy would not allow it.

[Sun]

-snip-
so, how can he have had surgery in 2006 but have gotten his wc settlement in 2005? they way it usually works up here is you don't settle until your treatment is over - not before.

also, i thought you had to be vested in your pension before you could take it out, as well, and that george didn't work for the sentinel that long........i'm confused.

George has said quite a bit of confusing details in his interviews. I suspect that he's doing quite a bit of lying, thus dates and details sometimes don't make a whole lot of sense.

IMO, Casey learned a bit of her bad behavior from George. Casey was a "daddy's" girl, IMO.

[Lavinya]

I just pulled several different kinds of syringes I have and they all have lot numbers imprinted in the plastic on the end where you peel the backing from the front. Actually makes a 3-D imprint.

O/T Lisa Nowak just pleaded guilty to a charge of burglary and will not go to trial for kidnapping and other charges. Pfffft!

[Sun]

Originally Posted by desmom
page 121 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310228/detail.html

They were separated from October 2005 - June 2006.

jmo

And, in earlier interviews, I think the separation dates were Dec 2005 - approx Apr 2006. Anyways, for what it matters, George moved back in the home "after" Casey quit her job.

[jammies]

Oh, gotcha, Jammies. I was just wondering if she had a private office that Casey could pilfer when she went to visit.


I don't believe "private" would have cramped Casey's style! Plus, since they all knew her I doubt anyone would have watched her closely. Either way, Casey was in and about that office quite a bit and COULD have helped herself to supplies.

btw, didn't we find out awhile back that chloroform is used for setting casts? or did I dream that?

[Lavinya]

I don't believe "private" would have cramped Casey's style! Plus, since they all knew her I doubt anyone would have watched her closely. Either way, Casey was in and about that office quite a bit and COULD have helped herself to supplies.

btw, didn't we find out awhile back that chloroform is used for setting casts? or did I dream that?

I heard some people float that around but I don't think it's accurate. *Maybe* before the middle 1970's, but that's when chloroform was designated a hazardous substance, a carcinogen and was banned from medical facilities. I have casting supplies here and have helped cast many a patient, and there was no chloroform involved.

[ish]

i was reading cindy's prosecution depo - this is what i found regarding financial difficulties (so far)

page 71 - 72

A. yeah. it was right after caylee was born.

Q. okay. was that over financial --

A. uh-huh

Q. -- issues?
....
A. it was just - it was all financial. he just -- he didn't tell me about -- that he had claimed his pension fund back when he was at the sentinel on, i think, our 2001 or 2002 income taxes, and it came back to haunt him in 2005.

....

Q. did you all end up in some sort of debt as a result of whatever george didn't tell you that came back to haunt him?

A. actually --

...

A. -- no. the timing was good because he had gotten his settlement from his workers comp injury.

later on, she is asked about the separation date:

A. ...until i think it was june of 2006, from november to june. from november of 2005 to june of 2006.

so, how can he have had surgery in 2006 but have gotten his wc settlement in 2005? they way it usually works up here is you don't settle until your treatment is over - not before.

also, i thought you had to be vested in your pension before you could take it out, as well, and that george didn't work for the sentinel that long........i'm confused.

The "pension" from the Sentinel may just have been his 401K contributions. If he wasn't there long enough to get vested, he may have only gotten back his contributions and interest, but not any portion that his employer matched.

[jammies]

I heard some people float that around but I don't think it's accurate. *Maybe* before the middle 1970's, but that's when chloroform was designated a hazardous substance, a carcinogen and was banned from medical facilities. I have casting supplies here and have helped cast many a patient, and there was no chloroform involved.


TY, Lav. Now I have to get that bogus info outta my head. :biggrin:

[martha]

Good morning everyone it does seem like money has always come first in this family. I know they or really enjoying not having to work and yet everything is payed. must be nice for them right now. I was just thinking they have lost their gb and there is nothing they can do about that now so they may want this case to go on forever. jmho:wub:

[powerball]

Don't you just want to sell Cindy some swamp land. It appears she believes the spoken word over common sense. She is the perfect target. No street smarts at all JMO

[Ladygator]

Don't you just want to sell Cindy some swamp land. It appears she believes the spoken word over common sense. She is the perfect target. No street smarts at all JMO

More like a mountain, where it snows, in Florida!:tonguewag:

[sydney]

The "pension" from the Sentinel may just have been his 401K contributions. If he wasn't there long enough to get vested, he may have only gotten back his contributions and interest, but not any portion that his employer matched.

thanks, ish. didn't think about that. with all the jobs he's held and the gaps in between, makes me wonder how much the penalty to the irs would have been.

[aproudmom]

I just pulled several different kinds of syringes I have and they all have lot numbers imprinted in the plastic on the end where you peel the backing from the front. Actually makes a 3-D imprint.

O/T Lisa Nowak just pleaded guilty to a charge of burglary and will not go to trial for kidnapping and other charges. Pfffft!

thanks a bunch I was wondering if it could be tracked


also Lisa N. hearing will be live streamed
Today’s hearing is set for about 1:30 pm. MyFoxOrlando will stream live video

[Pam1569]

And, in earlier interviews, I think the separation dates were Dec 2005 - approx Apr 2006. Anyways, for what it matters, George moved back in the home "after" Casey quit her job.

GM Sun
Thanks everyone for all the links and the info on the new doc dump. Still trying to catch up. :smile:

Also, Didn't KC break off the engagement with JG in May of 2006? This would be consistent imo with her that she didn't need the Grund's anymore to babysit since she now had her father at her beck and call. jmo

[powerball]

thanks, ish. didn't think about that. with all the jobs he's held and the gaps in between, makes me wonder how much the penalty to the irs would have been.

I know this one. Everytime I enrolled in a company 401K I was always laid off not to long after hence I don't enroll anymore. Anyway you have a chance to keep the funds in there until you can move it to another plan or you can just get the funds back. They take 20% out of the check prior to sending it you and you usually pay the 10% at time of doing taxes... :thumbsup:

[BettyC]

I just pulled several different kinds of syringes I have and they all have lot numbers imprinted in the plastic on the end where you peel the backing from the front. Actually makes a 3-D imprint.

O/T Lisa Nowak just pleaded guilty to a charge of burglary and will not go to trial for kidnapping and other charges. Pfffft!

I thought the hearing wasn't until this afternoon? Phoooey.

[Lavinya]

I thought the hearing wasn't until this afternoon? Phoooey.

It's not until this afternoon, Betty. I had a little premature speculation there. :blushing: It's reported that she will be accepting a plea with probation and some financial considerations as "punishment". It was on IS this morning.

[BettyC]

It's not until this afternoon, Betty. I had a little premature speculation there. :blushing: It's reported that she will be accepting a plea with probation and some financial considerations as "punishment". It was on IS this morning.

ok thanks. I just found updated info on WFTV. I'll post it on aproudmom's thread about it.

[desmom]

i was reading cindy's prosecution depo - this is what i found regarding financial difficulties (so far)

page 71 - 72

A. yeah. it was right after caylee was born.

Q. okay. was that over financial --

A. uh-huh

Q. -- issues?
....
A. it was just - it was all financial. he just -- he didn't tell me about -- that he had claimed his pension fund back when he was at the sentinel on, i think, our 2001 or 2002 income taxes, and it came back to haunt him in 2005.

....

Q. did you all end up in some sort of debt as a result of whatever george didn't tell you that came back to haunt him?

A. actually --

...

A. -- no. the timing was good because he had gotten his settlement from his workers comp injury.

later on, she is asked about the separation date:

A. ...until i think it was june of 2006, from november to june. from november of 2005 to june of 2006.

so, how can he have had surgery in 2006 but have gotten his wc settlement in 2005? they way it usually works up here is you don't settle until your treatment is over - not before.

also, i thought you had to be vested in your pension before you could take it out, as well, and that george didn't work for the sentinel that long........i'm confused.

Great Catch Sydney! :seeya:

Another Oooops moment for the Anthonys? :tonguewag:

[desmom]

GM Sun
Thanks everyone for all the links and the info on the new doc dump. Still trying to catch up. :smile:

Also, Didn't KC break off the engagement with JG in May of 2006? This would be consistent imo with her that she didn't need the Grund's anymore to babysit since she now had her father at her beck and call. jmo

Great Catch Pam! Our posters are on the ball today.

[Pruddennce]

i was reading cindy's prosecution depo - this is what i found regarding financial difficulties (so far)

page 71 - 72

A. yeah. it was right after caylee was born.

Q. okay. was that over financial --

A. uh-huh

Q. -- issues?
....
A. it was just - it was all financial. he just -- he didn't tell me about -- that he had claimed his pension fund back when he was at the sentinel on, i think, our 2001 or 2002 income taxes, and it came back to haunt him in 2005.

....

Q. did you all end up in some sort of debt as a result of whatever george didn't tell you that came back to haunt him?

A. actually --

...

A. -- no. the timing was good because he had gotten his settlement from his workers comp injury.

later on, she is asked about the separation date:

A. ...until i think it was june of 2006, from november to june. from november of 2005 to june of 2006.

so, how can he have had surgery in 2006 but have gotten his wc settlement in 2005? they way it usually works up here is you don't settle until your treatment is over - not before.

also, i thought you had to be vested in your pension before you could take it out, as well, and that george didn't work for the sentinel that long........i'm confused.

Cindy lies. she does not want to tell the truth as to 'what George did to mess up their financials' because part of it was illegal (credit card fraud). she attempts to cover up that one fact, and when she does, other lies are required which of course prevents the delivery of a cohesive account of 'what happened' with regard to their finances.

liars. that is why everything they have conveyed to the FBI, LE, in their various depos, are convoluted and nonsensical and of course the "I dont recall/I dont know' responses are there when they cant lie quick enough. OR: they have the audacity to state THEIR OPINION as to relevancy (GA on the stand for one of the motion hearings)....UNBELIEVABLE.

no one should be scratching their heads as to the story Casey came up with to explain away her daughter's absence. Look at the people who influenced her life.......

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[powerball]

If they are smart they will save whatever they make off of Caylee. That's not going to happen because they don't think beyond their last dollar. Once the trial begins, their gravy train ends. They are loving the delays.:glare:

Well considering that they are still hanging out with Kidfinders I am going with not that smart. JMO of course

[jammies]

If they are smart they will save whatever they make off of Caylee. That's not going to happen because they don't think beyond their last dollar. Once the trial begins, their gravy train ends. They are loving the delays.:glare:


As much as I hate more laws.....selling baby pictures of a murdered child for personal PROFIT should be against the law. :angry:

[Lavinya]

Well considering that they are still hanging out with Kidfinders I am going with not that smart. JMO of course

Are they still hanging with KF? I haven't heard anything about those crooks in a while.

[powerball]

Are they still hanging with KF? I haven't hear anything about those crooks in a while.

it seems always after a not so good doc dump do they reappear. JMO of course

[Lavinya]

it seems always after a not so good doc dump do they reappear. JMO of course

Have there been any reports from, ahem, anyone <whistling, innocent whistling> that has seen any cars?

[~live4love~]

Wasn't it reported the chloroform amounts were traces? I am still not sold on the chloroform either.

From the photos I have seen of the area and the items on the evidence lists, this area appeared to be kind of a dumping ground for some. The syringe may not be connected to Caylee's death.

IIRC, the syringe was inside a gatorade bottle inside a Disney bag. Did Casey also dump trash from the trunk of her car when she dumped Caylee?

jmo


Hi desmom...I've been thinking Casey obtained some chloroform elsewhere after googling and deciding it was to hard to make herself...that might have been her orignal plan but she changed it after googling and just bought some instead.

JMO

L4L

[powerball]

Have there been any reports from, ahem, anyone <whistling, innocent whistling> that has seen any cars?

Affirmative. :tonguewag:

[Lavinya]

Affirmative. :tonguewag:

:laugh: Thank them very much. :wink:

[desmom]

Hi desmom...I've been thinking Casey obtained some chloroform elsewhere after googling and deciding it was to hard to make herself...that might have been her orignal plan but she changed it after googling and just bought some instead.

JMO

L4L

~live4love~, that could be a possibility. If she did get it from someone, I am sure they are not going to come forward and admit to LE they gave Casey chloroform.

Did you have a chance to read The Trunk Liner – where some REAL Chloroform was found
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=558 ?

jmo

[bugout]

Lisa NOwak is pleading guilty, Jean C is reporting, LS will be giving an impact statement, no conviction.

[ellegna]

Are they still hanging with KF? I haven't heard anything about those crooks in a while.

Speaking of KF, I just tried to log on to their site and got a message that domain doesn't exist.

www.kidfindersnetwork.com (http://www.kidfindersnetwork.com)

Someone else try plz. It just may be my browser.

I'm hoping those crooks have been taken off the internet. :w00t:

[snowflakes]

Speaking of KF, I just tried to log on to their site and got a message that domain doesn't exist.

www.kidfindersnetwork.com (http://www.kidfindersnetwork.com)

Someone else try plz. It just may be my browser.

I'm hoping those crooks have been taken off the internet. :w00t:

I get "Domain does not exist" YAY!

[cassidy]

I get "Domain does not exist" YAY!

I got it too. Maybe they merged with the Caylee foundation?

[Lavinya]

Speaking of KF, I just tried to log on to their site and got a message that domain doesn't exist.

www.kidfindersnetwork.com (http://www.kidfindersnetwork.com)

Someone else try plz. It just may be my browser.

I'm hoping those crooks have been taken off the internet. :w00t:

HAHAHAHA! Site does not exist! :thumbsup: (You can bet they just crawled somewhere else though. :angry:)

[Sun]

http://www.wftv.com/caseyanthonyblog/index.html

WFTV Legal Analyst Bill Sheaffer begins a blog on the Casey Anthony case.

[ellegna]

HAHAHAHA! Site does not exist! :thumbsup: (You can bet they just crawled somewhere else though. :angry:)

Something tells me KFN is being investigated. I just can't picture the Milsteads removing their site voluntarily.
Kathi Belich was on a serious mission months back digging up some real dirt on the Milsteads. Maybe it peaked FBI, LE and IRS interests? :laugh:

[ish]

thanks, ish. didn't think about that. with all the jobs he's held and the gaps in between, makes me wonder how much the penalty to the irs would have been.

What I find interesting is he doesn't tell Cindy he took the money, she only finds out years later when the IRS gets on his tail. He is as bad as Casey.

[cassidy]

Something tells me KFN is being investigated. I just can't picture the Milsteads removing their site voluntarily.
Kathi Belich was on a serious mission months back digging up some real dirt on the Milsteads. Maybe it peaked FBI, LE and IRS interests? :laugh:


We sure can hope, can't we? I don't find much more despicable than people taking advantage of another's tragedy.

JMO

[sydney]

What I find interesting is he doesn't tell Cindy he took the money, she only finds out years later when the IRS gets on his tail. He is as bad as Casey.

but iirc he said in one of his early interviews that it was a online scam. and he told cindy it was gambling because that "sounded better". :blink:

i'll have to go back and pin this stuff down. i am also intensely interested in exactly when he suffered his wc injury......just nosy that way, i guess.

[Sun]

What I find interesting is he doesn't tell Cindy he took the money, she only finds out years later when the IRS gets on his tail. He is as bad as Casey.

I suspect that we still don't know the whole extent of George's troubles with money. The Clerk of Courts records still show a pending credit card company Civil Case against George.

[achristie]

http://www.wftv.com/caseyanthonyblog/index.html

WFTV Legal Analyst Bill Sheaffer begins a blog on the Casey Anthony case.

Poor guy! I wonder if he realizes what he's getting himself into ? He better bone up on every fact. He'll be inundated by the posters that know every detail of this case. :D

MOO Aggie

[Aunt]

Just noticing that the cached version of the kidfinders network still has active links to other domains.

http://www.safetyinaflash.com/family.html

eta:

http://dataopedia.com/kidfindersnetwork-com#

[ish]

but iirc he said in one of his early interviews that it was a online scam. and he told cindy it was gambling because that "sounded better". :blink:

i'll have to go back and pin this stuff down. i am also intensely interested in exactly when he suffered his wc injury......just nosy that way, i guess.

Sadly workers comp is one of the best ways to scam an employer, George may very well have blown out his knee thru a job injury, but 18 months to recover is a long time!!! I suspect he milked it a bit, but it was steady income while he was out of work. He looks to be in good shape for a 50 something man, not really overweight. no noticeable limp, so I suppose his surgery went well. He spent 18 months out of work and then got a settlement, most likely not a huge amount of money, but I think those settlements are tax free, so it could have gone a long way to getting them out of debt. But we've never gotten a straight story as to dates and amounts. Most likely never will.

[~live4love~]

~live4love~, that could be a possibility. If she did get it from someone, I am sure they are not going to come forward and admit to LE they gave Casey chloroform.

Did you have a chance to read The Trunk Liner – where some REAL Chloroform was found
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=558 ?

jmo

No they wouldn't be too forthcoming I am sure...you can bet that LE has checked out this possibilty as well as how available it is within her group etc....how easily she could have obtained some.

WOW...no...I hadn't read that link yet.....thx des...you rock ! :)

L4L

[SC7501]

If anyone is still interested, Cindy's office is mentioned on page 14, line 20 of Charles Crittendon interview transcript. -- I tried to copy it over, but couldn't get it to work. :confused:

[Jeepers]

Just noticing that the cached version of the kidfinders network still has active links to other domains.

http://www.safetyinaflash.com/family.html

eta:

http://dataopedia.com/kidfindersnetwork-com#

I went to the Caylee Foundation site and tried the link there and it did not work. Nothing came up in the link.

[MrsHudson]

Yes. They are identified as items Q239 - pic on page 48 http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/1106/21541051.pdf

Maybe someone already thought of this but the fact that there were toilet paper rolls used makes me think that if this is the murder weapon (big if) then the murder took place indoors where there was acess to a bathroom and a bathroom waste basket from which the murderer took the handy empty rolls.

If it's not the murder weapon then maybe someone threw it in the woods after using it indoors where they got the toilet paper rolls from a wastebasket in a bathroom.

[Scampi]

Poor guy! I wonder if he realizes what he's getting himself into ? He better bone up on every fact. He'll be inundated by the posters that know every detail of this case. :D

MOO Aggie

Well, he already has one major fact wrong and that is that Caylee was found in the exact same clothing george supposedly saw her dressed in when KC took her out the door on 6/16.

george claimed a jean skirt and pink top, no lettering.

Caylee was found in striped shorts and the big trouble pink shirt.

[Dunlurken]

Maybe someone already thought of this but the fact that there were toilet paper rolls used makes me think that if this is the murder weapon (big if) then the murder took place indoors where there was acess to a bathroom and a bathroom waste basket from which the murderer took the handy empty rolls.

If it's not the murder weapon then maybe someone threw it in the woods after using it indoors where they got the toilet paper rolls from a wastebasket in a bathroom.

I'm curious how the bottle can be related to the case? If someone was huffing a substance similar to chloroform. The problem we have is no COD. No injection sites on Caylee's body, etc. Wasn't this area known as a "party" area?

Prosecution has a long way to go with this to make me believe it's related to the Caylee Anthony case. JMO. I need fingerprints to convince me it's related to the death. And we know we have none.

[powerball]

Just noticing that the cached version of the kidfinders network still has active links to other domains.

http://www.safetyinaflash.com/family.html

eta:

http://dataopedia.com/kidfindersnetwork-com#

what is their germenator site.. is that still working that is their newest thingy

[MrsHudson]

how many of us remember what chlorophyll is from our grammar school days? i sure do, and i didn't even have to search the puter for it!

It ain't poison that's for sure. I mean it's in every plant we eat. In my opinion Cindy must have awakend very late at night and laid in bed a long time in the dark putting that story together.

[Sun]

I'm curious how the bottle can be related to the case? If someone was huffing a substance similar to chloroform. The problem we have is no COD. No injection sites on Caylee's body, etc. Wasn't this area known as a "party" area?

Prosecution has a long way to go with this to make me believe it's related to the Caylee Anthony case. JMO. I need fingerprints to convince me it's related to the death. And we know we have none.

COD of death is Homicide by undetermined means according to the ME. The defense would dearly love to know the strategy of the prosecutors, so that they can dream up a defense to go with. :wub:

[AnnieKins]

mornin' guys - looking at the police call record, i find it interesting that there were verbal disturbances in the late april 2005 timeframe. kc would have been what? 6 months preggers or so and perhaps unable to keep her swelling stomach as well concealed as she had before? perhaps that is the time the thonys (ahem) figured out kc was preggers and the verbal disturbances were because of that?

we will never know, will we?

(sorry if this has been discussed already - haven't been here in a while)

Hi Syd! So do you think they LIED about not knowing Casey was preggers til Rick's wedding? Hmmm...

Has anyone ever taken a good look at those ultrasounds on the bedroom wall? If they didn't find out that Casey was pregnant til she was seven months along, I'd like to know when those ultrasounds were done.

[Scampi]

I'm curious how the bottle can be related to the case? If someone was huffing a substance similar to chloroform. The problem we have is no COD. No injection sites on Caylee's body, etc. Wasn't this area known as a "party" area?

Prosecution has a long way to go with this to make me believe it's related to the Caylee Anthony case. JMO. I need fingerprints to convince me it's related to the death. And we know we have none.

Dunnie, what was the cause of death of Laci and Connor Peterson? Where was Laci killed and how?

Where is scott peterson now?

casey anthony will be convicted because there is much more circumstantial evidence in this case then the peterson case.

Take that to the bank.

[Dunlurken]

COD of death is Homicide by undetermined means according to the ME. The defense would dearly love to know the strategy of the prosecutors, so that they can dream up a defense to go with. :wub:

I guess I meant method of death. MOD. I always get confused on those two issues. Because they are separate, as we all know. JMO.

[AnnieKins]

Des, didn't George have knee surgery?

I know when my Dad had hip surgery he had to give himself injections of a drug that started with an L. Lovelox, something like that. To help prevent blood clots, IIRC.

I know a lot of you don't believe a thing Lenny has to say, but some of his comments about George on the radio program the other night were very interesting.

He commented on George's physique, that he is a well-muscled man and in good shape for a guy in his late 50s. (Who knew? :wink:)
When they were at the house, George never once went for a run or to the gym... so Lenny speculates that George was giving himself testosterone or steroids to pump himself up.

[AnnieKins]

i've been thinking about it, too. they have pets and iirc, cindy said one of them was sick (that's why she looked up chlorophyll - to see if it could have made her dog sick). perhaps this animal or one of the other animals were on meds administered by injection? i had a diabetic dog that we had to give insulin to twice a day - never had a problem getting syringes, either. and, like someone said on the last thread, we kept them in a coffee can with duct tape around the lid to return to the vet to dispose of.

just thinkin out loud.

George refuted Cindy's claim that her dogs were sick. They can't keep their stories straight.

[summer]

Hi Syd! So do you think they LIED about not knowing Casey was preggers til Rick's wedding? Hmmm...

Has anyone ever taken a good look at those ultrasounds on the bedroom wall? If they didn't find out that Casey was pregnant til she was seven months along, I'd like to know when those ultrasounds were done.

Hiya Annie, my theory only but I do believe they lied about not knowing Casey was preggers. As a matter of fact I think Cindy and Casey cooked up the idea to tell Jesse the baby was his. As a second matter of fact I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out Cindy pushed Casey to do that. When Jesse's dad had the gall to tell his son to get a paternity test that really pizzed them off. How dare RG and JG do that?

[Dunlurken]

Dunnie, what was the cause of death of Laci and Connor Peterson? Where was Laci killed and how?

Where is scott peterson now?

casey anthony will be convicted because there is much more circumstantial evidence in this case then the peterson case.

Take that to the bank.

I think this will be a circumstantial case. Everything points to Casey. We can go round and round about who did what to whom..... bottom line, Casey did this. Proving it beyond a reasonable doubt is another story. JMO.

I know some get upset with me for playing Devil's Advocate.... but I won't to be sure the right person goes down. So, in essense, we agree.

[powerball]

Hiya Annie, my theory only but I do believe they lied about not knowing Casey was preggers. As a matter of fact I think Cindy and Casey cooked up the idea to tell Jesse the baby was his. As a second matter of fact I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out Cindy pushed Casey to do that. When Jesse's dad had the gall to tell his son to get a paternity test that really pizzed them off. How dare RG and JG do that?

As a matter of Fact I concur:tonguewag:

[AnnieKins]

how many of us remember what chlorophyll is from our grammar school days? i sure do, and i didn't even have to search the puter for it!

Yeah... neither did Cindy. :sneaky:

[AnnieKins]

i hate to appear ignorant (but sometimes, i just can't help it :rolleyes:), but how does george's "off work for 18 months" and his and cindy's separation coincide, if at all? do those times overlap?

here i am presuming that he was off work for 18 months and would prolly have more access, as it were, to kc's schedule, since he would be home recovering. however, iirc, george and cindy separated shortly after caylee's birth in 2005 - early 2006 perhaps?

i would really like to put together a timeline for this period of time. des - can you please, please help me?

thanks.

Syd, check out the timeline that is over at the hinkymeter. That person put a huge amount of time into putting that together. It's the best I've seen.

[summer]

As a matter of Fact I concur:tonguewag:

Yay!

I was going to do one of my "Where's powerball?" :crying: things last night, as a matter of fact.

[desmom]

If anyone is still interested, Cindy's office is mentioned on page 14, line 20 of Charles Crittendon interview transcript. -- I tried to copy it over, but couldn't get it to work. :confused:

Some of docs won't let you c & p.. On page 14 of Charles interview, he called it "Cindy's office". On page 20, Debbie Bennet called it a "cubicle" and on page 29 a "desk area". http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/DONEcrittenden-bennett-calabrese.pdf

Interesting from page 17 of Charles interview

Q: ....did Cindy ever describe how Casey's relationship was with George?

A: Um, yes she did she had told me before that Casey and George were constantly at each other.

Q: Any reason why or idea why?

A: Never said why. Um, she mentioned to me a couple of times you know that about an incident where Casey yelled at George..would yell at George this that and the other and I'm like, I found that to be odd that Casey could talk to father that way. Just you know..like an adult you know. She would just say something about she would yell at him. That Casey yells at George just as much as she does.

Debbie said on page 33 I never really hear her um, say that the father and her (Casey) argued.

jmo

[Kathlb]

what is their germenator site.. is that still working that is their newest thingy

I just did a Google search for Kid Finder's Network and no site of theirs came up anywhere, however pages came up with forums far and wide shouting about their scam and some telling stories about being on the receiving end. The internet is a wonderful thing to alert others about scam artists.

[powerball]

Yay!

I was going to do one of my "Where's powerball?" :crying: things last night, as a matter of fact.

awe thanks. I was sick..by the way I keep trying to look at the ultrasounds pic there seems to be a few of them. Trying to see if they were at 1st trimester but I couldnt tell. I think Cindy knew all along and never told George. Casey can't lie without her backup. JMO

[AnnieKins]

Something tells me KFN is being investigated. I just can't picture the Milsteads removing their site voluntarily.
Kathi Belich was on a serious mission months back digging up some real dirt on the Milsteads. Maybe it peaked FBI, LE and IRS interests? :laugh:

From your fingertips to God's ears, Ellegna!

[bballgrl]

I think this will be a circumstantial case. Everything points to Casey. We can go round and round about who did what to whom..... bottom line, Casey did this. Proving it beyond a reasonable doubt is another story. JMO.

I know some get upset with me for playing Devil's Advocate.... but I won't to be sure the right person goes down. So, in essense, we agree.

No, proving it beyond a REASONABLE doubt is possible... Proving it beyond ANY doubt is not required! There is a BIG difference. Prosectution does not have to remove ALL doubt, just reasonable doubt. I think that all of this circumstantial evidence, couple with Casey's behavior after Caylee was missing gets rid of all REASONABLE doubt for me. MOO

[powerball]

I just did a Google search for Kid Finder's Network and no site of theirs came up anywhere, however pages came up with forums far and wide shouting about their scam and some telling stories about being on the receiving end. The internet is a wonderful thing to alert others about scam artists.

http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?action=DETFIL&inq_doc_number=N06000010388&inq_came_from=NAMFWD&cor_web_names_seq_number=0000&names_name_ind=N&names_cor_number=&names_name_seq=&names_name_ind=&names_comp_name=KIDFINDERS&names_filing_type=

they are still active

[Kathlb]

Some of docs won't let you c & p.. On page 14 of Charles interview, he called it "Cindy's office". On page 20, Debbie Bennet called it a "cubicle" and on page 29 a "desk area". http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/DONEcrittenden-bennett-calabrese.pdf

Interesting from page 17 of Charles interview

Q: ....did Cindy ever describe how Casey's relationship was with George?

A: Um, yes she did she had told me before that Casey and George were constantly at each other.

Q: Any reason why or idea why?

A: Never said why. Um, she mentioned to me a couple of times you know that about an incident where Casey yelled at George..would yell at George this that and the other and I'm like, I found that to be odd that Casey could talk to father that way. Just you know..like an adult you know. She would just say something about she would yell at him. That Casey yells at George just as much as she does.

Debbie said on page 33 I never really hear her um, say that the father and her (Casey) argued.

jmo

I don't even want to think what would happen to me if I had yelled at my Dad or Mom either. I am convinced I would find myself on the floor with those little circles in cartoons turning above my head from Dad. :-) I could argue some with Mom without getting in trouble, but there wasn't even any arguing with Dad or you regretted it. One of the big problems here in their upbringing of her. Cindy was dead wrong to yell at him in front of the kids and to allow Casey to do it....well, it's unheard of in my house or my parent's. George should have left and stayed gone a long time ago and left them to in-fight amongst themselves.

[ish]

I believe Cindy & George most definitely lied about when they knew Casey was pregnant.

Knowing she was pregnant and admitting she was pregnant obviously are two different things with the Anthony family. I suspect George knew she was pregnant much earlier than Casey and Cindy admitted it was so. :rolleyes:

[desmom]

Well, he already has one major fact wrong and that is that Caylee was found in the exact same clothing george supposedly saw her dressed in when KC took her out the door on 6/16.

george claimed a jean skirt and pink top, no lettering.

Caylee was found in striped shorts and the big trouble pink shirt.

On page 29 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel Casey wrote:

Caylee was wearing a pink shirt, with jean shorts, white sneakers and her hair was pulled back in a ponytail.

From page 10 of George's August 4, 2008 interview: http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/georgeanthony%20aug4.pdf

A:Right. And I know she was dressed in her little uh, blue jean skirt, the white tennis shoes, um....

Q: Blue jean skirt.

A: Right. She had a pinkish color top. One of those uh, one has a sleeve on it. She had her little sunglasses on, they was white rim sunglasses...

Question: Could the hair mass found with the remains have been Caylee's ponytail?

jmo

[summer]

I don't even want to think what would happen to me if I had yelled at my Dad or Mom either. I am convinced I would find myself on the floor with those little circles in cartoons turning above my head from Dad. :-) I could argue some with Mom without getting in trouble, but there wasn't even any arguing with Dad or you regretted it. One of the big problems here in their upbringing of her. Cindy was dead wrong to yell at him in front of the kids and to allow Casey to do it....well, it's unheard of in my house or my parent's. George should have left and stayed gone a long time ago and left them to in-fight amongst themselves.

"How to get a job for Dummies". That was the joke between Lee and Casey. Hardee har har.

That's what the attitude about George was in that family. Nice.

[bballgrl]

"How to get a job for Dummies". That was the joke between Lee and Casey. Hardee har har.

That's what the attitude about George was in that family. Nice.

Casey could have gotten it for George for X-mas... then she could have borrowed it! :tonguewag:

[martha]

hi everyone is there any new new on this case today? I have not been on but sure want to know if there is anything new.I know the family wants the delays to go on and on more money in their pocket.jmho:wub:

[MrsHudson]

I'm curious how the bottle can be related to the case? If someone was huffing a substance similar to chloroform. The problem we have is no COD. No injection sites on Caylee's body, etc. Wasn't this area known as a "party" area?

Prosecution has a long way to go with this to make me believe it's related to the Caylee Anthony case. JMO. I need fingerprints to convince me it's related to the death. And we know we have none.

I just don't know. It's the chlorophorm searches and the fact that a lot of it was in the trunk that make it logical that chlorophorm could have been the murder weapon. That connects up. But a bottle with a syringe in it in the woods near the body (with just a trace of chlorophorm) does not merit jumping to any conclusions at all. And huffing and injecting steriod drugs are worlds apart. I see no merit at all in even bringing up huffing but maybe I am missing something. The bottle was used as a container for the needle, nothing more IMHO.

[ish]

"How to get a job for Dummies". That was the joke between Lee and Casey. Hardee har har.

That's what the attitude about George was in that family. Nice.

Doubly funny coming from Casey, with her employment record!!:thumbsup:

[no1what]

Thanks Des! Reading those comments by George about the situation in the house prior to and after Caylee's birth is very enlightening.

Cindy made it clear, Casey and Caylee were staying, George was free to go or stay, but criticism of Casey was not going to be allowed. Casey could not be "upset" by George's lack of trust in her, Cindy would not allow it.



Which makes me question why did Cindy tiptoe around Casey? Cindy seems to be an all about me person so why wouldn't she question Casey?

Is it because Casey threatened to move?

[martha]

I don't even want to think what would happen to me if I had yelled at my Dad or Mom either. I am convinced I would find myself on the floor with those little circles in cartoons turning above my head from Dad. :-) I could argue some with Mom without getting in trouble, but there wasn't even any arguing with Dad or you regretted it. One of the big problems here in their upbringing of her. Cindy was dead wrong to yell at him in front of the kids and to allow Casey to do it....well, it's unheard of in my house or my parent's. George should have left and stayed gone a long time ago and left them to in-fight amongst themselves.ITA with you in our house there was no talking back and you did not say a word to your mom or dad that did not respect them.boy things have changed.jmho:wub:

[desmom]

hi everyone is there any new new on this case today? I have not been on but sure want to know if there is anything new.I know the family wants the delays to go on and on more money in their pocket.jmho:wub:

Anthonys Familys' P.I. Deposition Postponed
http://www.wftv.com/news/21573563/detail.html

Casey Anthony: Private eye to be deposed next month
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/11/casey-anthony-private-eye-to-be-deposed-next-month.html

[martha]

I just don't know. It's the chlorophorm searches and the fact that a lot of it was in the trunk that make it logical that chlorophorm could have been the murder weapon. That connects up. But a bottle with a syringe in it in the woods near the body (with just a trace of chlorophorm) does not merit jumping to any conclusions at all. And huffing and injecting steriod drugs are worlds apart. I see no merit at all in even bringing up huffing but maybe I am missing something. The bottle was used as a container for the needle, nothing more IMHO. I sure think you or right and I think they don;t need to get so far of into stuff. just the things we know for sure is enought like the 31 days.jmho:wub:

[Dunlurken]

No, proving it beyond a REASONABLE doubt is possible... Proving it beyond ANY doubt is not required! There is a BIG difference. Prosectution does not have to remove ALL doubt, just reasonable doubt. I think that all of this circumstantial evidence, couple with Casey's behavior after Caylee was missing gets rid of all REASONABLE doubt for me. MOO

I agree. But there's always that one nutcase juror who can be swayed. Back during the Peterson case, we discussed "unreasonable" doubt. Lot of time spent on that one. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say. It only takes one for a hung jury.

Just trying to cross the "t's" and dot the "i's". JMO.

[ish]

On page 29 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel Casey wrote:

Caylee was wearing a pink shirt, with jean shorts, white sneakers and her hair was pulled back in a ponytail.

From page 10 of George's August 4, 2008 interview: http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/georgeanthony%20aug4.pdf

A:Right. And I know she was dressed in her little uh, blue jean skirt, the white tennis shoes, um....

Q: Blue jean skirt.

A: Right. She had a pinkish color top. One of those uh, one has a sleeve on it. She had her little sunglasses on, they was white rim sunglasses...

Question: Could the hair mass found with the remains have been Caylee's ponytail?

jmo

George does say she had a pinkish top on, perhaps he didn't notice the writing. As far as her lower half, Casey may have had to change her due to a bathroom mishap. She was in the early stages of potty training.

[LilGirl]

Speaking of KF, I just tried to log on to their site and got a message that domain doesn't exist.

www.kidfindersnetwork.com (http://www.kidfindersnetwork.com)

Someone else try plz. It just may be my browser.

I'm hoping those crooks have been taken off the internet. :w00t:

I just tried it. It said link was broken. Tried the phone # 877-One-Lost. No answer. Seemed to go to a fax #. Maybe they closed up shop and skipped town.

[Citygirl]

I'm curious how the bottle can be related to the case? If someone was huffing a substance similar to chloroform. The problem we have is no COD. No injection sites on Caylee's body, etc. Wasn't this area known as a "party" area?

Prosecution has a long way to go with this to make me believe it's related to the Caylee Anthony case. JMO. I need fingerprints to convince me it's related to the death. And we know we have none.


Hey Dunnie..you know very well that juries convict all the time WITH NO BODY AT ALL..much less injection sites on "the body"..people are convicted more on circumstantial evidence all the time..as you well know..
why you continue to make posts like this is beyond me..
this murderer will be convicted by a preponderance of all the mountain of evidence they have against her..defense may do lots of smoke and mirrors but there is enough evidence just that we know of to convict, not to mention all that we don't even know about yet.

[*MoonRider*]

Well, he already has one major fact wrong and that is that Caylee was found in the exact same clothing george supposedly saw her dressed in when KC took her out the door on 6/16.

george claimed a jean skirt and pink top, no lettering.

Caylee was found in striped shorts and the big trouble pink shirt.

I noticed that as well. I was just searching for the document to send to him, but I'm sure someone else will.

[MrsHudson]

I think this will be a circumstantial case. Everything points to Casey. We can go round and round about who did what to whom..... bottom line, Casey did this. Proving it beyond a reasonable doubt is another story. JMO.

I know some get upset with me for playing Devil's Advocate.... but I won't to be sure the right person goes down. So, in essense, we agree.

Do you think any of the evidence points to anyone else? If so what evidence? What I mean is, can you come up with a scenario that is based on what we know so far that places someone else at the center of this murder? If so can you come up with a narrative that describes this person, their motive and their activities? Betcha can't! :wink:

I cannot even imagine who else in Caylee's life would do this to her and why Casey would lie ABOUT EVERYTHING if she was innocent. And I would be hard pressed to come up with a story, a fleshed out story of how, when and why someone other than Casey would murder Caylee, and throw her in the woods by her own home.

[summer]

Hey Dunnie..you know very well that juries convict all the time WITH NO BODY AT ALL..much less injection sites on "the body"..people are convicted more on circumstantial evidence all the time..as you well know..
why you continue to make posts like this is beyond me..
this murderer will be convicted by a preponderance of all the mountain of evidence they have against her..defense may do lots of smoke and mirrors but there is enough evidence just that we know of to convict, not to mention all that we don't even know about yet.

Gee wonder why they can't find needle marks on a skeleton crawling with bugs and spiders with roots growing through the bones.

Hmmmm... :blink:

[ish]

I agree. But there's always that one nutcase juror who can be swayed. Back during the Peterson case, we discussed "unreasonable" doubt. Lot of time spent on that one. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say. It only takes one for a hung jury.

Just trying to cross the "t's" and dot the "i's". JMO.

If it comes to a 11-1 for conviction, due to a holdout. I doubt they will go for a retrial, myguess is the defense will proffer a plea to get LWOP, instead of chancing a new jury with the Prosecution getting to present their case again. The prosecutors will be able to interview the jurors and see what evidence/arguments were presented that caused the one hold out to see reasonable doubt. I think statisically retrials favor the prosecution over the defense.

[denjet]

what is their germenator site.. is that still working that is their newest thingy
Can't find the germ sanitizer company on Florida org site ... at least not under any of the Milstead's many names

[sydney]

Sadly workers comp is one of the best ways to scam an employer, George may very well have blown out his knee thru a job injury, but 18 months to recover is a long time!!! I suspect he milked it a bit, but it was steady income while he was out of work. He looks to be in good shape for a 50 something man, not really overweight. no noticeable limp, so I suppose his surgery went well. He spent 18 months out of work and then got a settlement, most likely not a huge amount of money, but I think those settlements are tax free, so it could have gone a long way to getting them out of debt. But we've never gotten a straight story as to dates and amounts. Most likely never will.

they are based on your wages and a % of a body part - in this part, leg or potentially man-as-a-whole. i don't think george was earning a huge amount of money, so i don't think his settlement was substantial either. it is steady income but it's 2/3 of your regular pay (tax free)

[Dunlurken]

If it comes to a 11-1 for conviction, due to a holdout. I doubt they will go for a retrial, myguess is the defense will proffer a plea to get LWOP, instead of chancing a new jury with the Prosecution getting to present their case again. The prosecutors will be able to interview the jurors and see what evidence/arguments were presented that caused the one hold out to see reasonable doubt. I think statisically retrials favor the prosecution over the defense.

Thank you for that intelligent post. JMO.

[Sun]

On page 29 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel Casey wrote:

Caylee was wearing a pink shirt, with jean shorts, white sneakers and her hair was pulled back in a ponytail.

From page 10 of George's August 4, 2008 interview: http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/georgeanthony%20aug4.pdf

A:Right. And I know she was dressed in her little uh, blue jean skirt, the white tennis shoes, um....

Q: Blue jean skirt.

A: Right. She had a pinkish color top. One of those uh, one has a sleeve on it. She had her little sunglasses on, they was white rim sunglasses...

Question: Could the hair mass found with the remains have been Caylee's ponytail?

jmo

I would expect that the hair mass may have been hair formed/woven into a nest by critters.

[no1what]

I'm curious how the bottle can be related to the case? If someone was huffing a substance similar to chloroform. The problem we have is no COD. No injection sites on Caylee's body, etc. Wasn't this area known as a "party" area?

Prosecution has a long way to go with this to make me believe it's related to the Caylee Anthony case. JMO. I need fingerprints to convince me it's related to the death. And we know we have none.


I thought the documents show they do have prints but they haven't been processed yet or just the results have not been released.

[powerball]

Can't find the germ sanitizer company on Florida org site ... at least not under any of the Milstead's many names

http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?action=DETFIL&inq_doc_number=L09000072083&inq_came_from=NAMFWD&cor_web_names_seq_number=0000&names_name_ind=N&names_cor_number=&names_name_seq=&names_name_ind=&names_comp_name=SANICLEAN&names_filing_type=

the address is the same. So the licenses are still good not sure if they packed up but they didnt drive far to leave town JMO of course:thumbsup:

[Dunlurken]

Do you think any of the evidence points to anyone else? If so what evidence? What I mean is, can you come up with a scenario that is based on what we know so far that places someone else at the center of this murder? If so can you come up with a narrative that describes this person, their motive and their activities? Betcha can't! :wink:

I cannot even imagine who else in Caylee's life would do this to her and why Casey would lie ABOUT EVERYTHING if she was innocent. And I would be hard pressed to come up with a story, a fleshed out story of how, when and why someone other than Casey would murder Caylee, and throw her in the woods by her own home.Don't underestimate the defense team yet! JMO.

[Katprint]

Knowing she was pregnant and admitting she was pregnant obviously are two different things with the Anthony family. I suspect George knew she was pregnant much earlier than Casey and Cindy admitted it was so. :rolleyes:
Back in the olden days in Jolly Old England, it was illegal to say unfavorable things about the royalty. "Truth" was not a defense; it was considered WORSE to say something bad about someone if it was true because then it couldn't be disproven. Thus the saying went, "the greater the truth, the greater the libel."

The Anthonys have a similar royal conceit. No one was allowed to discuss Casey's failure to graduate from high school, or Casey's very apparent pregnancy at Uncle Rick's wedding, or Casey lying about Jessie Grund being Caylee's father, or Casey's lying about working at the sporting goods store, or Casey's stealing from friends and family, or Casey's provocative photos showing up on the internet (except when Cindy confronted about Casey being at the Anything-But-Clothes party after asking Cindy to watch Caylee because Casey had to "work".) Furthermore, because Casey's murdering Caylee is MUCH WORSE than anything Casey ever did before, the Anthonys are going berserk trying to stop people from discussing the mountain of circumstantial evidence proving Casey's crime(s).

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[sydney]

awe thanks. I was sick..by the way I keep trying to look at the ultrasounds pic there seems to be a few of them. Trying to see if they were at 1st trimester but I couldnt tell. I think Cindy knew all along and never told George. Casey can't lie without her backup. JMO

but but but - cindy said kc had no prenatal care and is the one who made kc go to the doctor because she wasn't "feeling well" and cindy was afraid of fibroids, remember?

and iirc george said he went to all the ultrasounds (ick)

[Dunlurken]

I thought the documents show they do have prints but they haven't been processed yet or just the results have not been released.

So, here's a question for you. If the bottle/syringe were deposited at the same time Caylee was deposited.... we had a hurricaine, etc. why are there no fingerprints on the duct tape, yet there are fingerprints on the bottle/syringe? Doesn't make sense to me.

[Sun]

Private Investigator Dominic Casey was set to be deposed on Thursday, but it's been pushed back until December 16. Dominic Casey filed a motion on October 21, to stop his November deposition.

http://www.wftv.com/news/21573563/detail.html

[Spots]

Can't find the germ sanitizer company on Florida org site ... at least not under any of the Milstead's many names

All my saved links now go back to the parent company(s) - Germ Busters, Creative World Technology, and SaniMaxNow. Not a hint of the Milsteads.

[Aunt]

I just did a Google search for Kid Finder's Network and no site of theirs came up anywhere, however pages came up with forums far and wide shouting about their scam and some telling stories about being on the receiving end. The internet is a wonderful thing to alert others about scam artists.


I have the impression that their sites (kidfinders and caylees fundation) powered by fatcow. inc have other websites that are being built.

Here is one:

http://www.thehouseofpurpose.com/

:confused:

[no1what]

Gee wonder why they can't find needle marks on a skeleton crawling with bugs and spiders with roots growing through the bones.

Hmmmm... :blink:

I was watching NG last night or the night before and one of the attorneys mentioned about a baby doll being used as practice for giving shots.

where did he get that from?

[powerball]

but but but - cindy said kc had no prenatal care and is the one who made kc go to the doctor because she wasn't "feeling well" and cindy was afraid of fibroids, remember?

and iirc george said he went to all the ultrasounds (ick)

Ok your 7-8 months allegedly how many ultrasounds do you get..my guess is 1

[desmom]

George does say she had a pinkish top on, perhaps he didn't notice the writing. As far as her lower half, Casey may have had to change her due to a bathroom mishap. She was in the early stages of potty training.

Casey called them jean shorts. George said blue jean skirt.

page 8 of the autopsy report http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/06/19/caylee.anthony.autopsy.pdf Received in a paper bag are partially decomposed multi-colored shorts which have pink, green and orange thin stripes and a pink button on the front of the waistband. The clothing tag has the brand, "Circo Brand." The tag also states, "100% cotton-24 months." There is an elastic waistband in the back of the shorts and a flat front. There are two pockets in the front and two pockets in the back....

LE included this photo http://patrishka.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/casey-playing-with-her-daughter-caylee-marie1.jpg in a doc dump - page 6 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/3374B%20TO%203463B%20REDO.pdf

Are these the shorts? IMO, pretty close. You can see what appears to be an orange stripe on the side seam. On Caylee's bottom area, there is a darker colored stripe that seems to end in the middle of the shorts. IMO, this stripe is on the pocket.

I wish one of LE's reports would have said 100% cotton denim shorts.

jmo

[Spots]

Back in the olden days in Jolly Old England, it was illegal to say unfavorable things about the royalty. "Truth" was not a defense; it was considered WORSE to say something bad about someone if it was true because then it couldn't be disproven. Thus the saying went, "the greater the truth, the greater the libel."

The Anthonys have a similar royal conceit. No one was allowed to discuss Casey's failure to graduate from high school, or Casey's very apparent pregnancy at Uncle Rick's wedding, or Casey lying about Jessie Grund being Caylee's father, or Casey's lying about working at the sporting goods store, or Casey's stealing from friends and family, or Casey's provocative photos showing up on the internet (except when Cindy confronted about Casey being at the Anything-But-Clothes party after asking Cindy to watch Caylee because Casey had to "work".) Furthermore, because Casey's murdering Caylee is MUCH WORSE than anything Casey ever did before, the Anthonys are going berserk trying to stop people from discussing the mountain of circumstantial evidence proving Casey's crime(s).

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Excellent description and appropriate phrase! :thumbsup:

[no1what]

So, here's a question for you. If the bottle/syringe were deposited at the same time Caylee was deposited.... we had a hurricaine, etc. why are there no fingerprints on the duct tape, yet there are fingerprints on the bottle/syringe? Doesn't make sense to me.


Because the bottle and syringe were enclosed and not open to the elements possible?

Anyway they do have prints so are you trying to say LE planted finger prints?

[Spots]

I have the impression that their sites (kidfinders and caylees fundation) powered by fatcow. inc have other websites that are being built.

Here is one:

http://www.thehouseofpurpose.com/

:confused:

This used to have its own site. With extra pages.

[desmom]

So, here's a question for you. If the bottle/syringe were deposited at the same time Caylee was deposited.... we had a hurricaine, etc. why are there no fingerprints on the duct tape, yet there are fingerprints on the bottle/syringe? Doesn't make sense to me.

Because the adhesive on the duct tape was dissolved either by the elements or the insect activity.

jmo

[Dunlurken]

I was watching NG last night or the night before and one of the attorneys mentioned about a baby doll being used as practice for giving shots.

where did he get that from?
I heard that, and I was thinking what? I got the impression it wasn't related to this case, but one never knows. JMO.

[denjet]

Sadly workers comp is one of the best ways to scam an employer, George may very well have blown out his knee thru a job injury, but 18 months to recover is a long time!!! I suspect he milked it a bit, but it was steady income while he was out of work. He looks to be in good shape for a 50 something man, not really overweight. no noticeable limp, so I suppose his surgery went well. He spent 18 months out of work and then got a settlement, most likely not a huge amount of money, but I think those settlements are tax free, so it could have gone a long way to getting them out of debt. But we've never gotten a straight story as to dates and amounts. Most likely never will.

After reading Fanning's book (Chapter 12), it seems George was more of a cheat and a scammer than the A's would have us believe ...

He worked for the Trumball Sheriff's office for 10 years (as a deputy) and that seems to be his longest period of employment.

Cindy stopped working when Lee was born in in 1982 and didn't return to part-time work until George lost his job at his father's car delearship.

George bought his own car lot and lost it and their home because of bad investments he made in 1989 and moved to Orlando where George got a job at the Seninel as a route manager and Cindy got her nursing job. Casey was 3 years old.

George's first knee injury happened there and after rehabbing got a job with a pest control company where he re-injured his knee and required surgery and extensive rehabbing ... this is when he got into online gambling around the time Lee was graduating high school in 2000 ...
The only job since then that there's any information on is the one he got in the summer of 2008 working security at an apartment complex ... which he lost a few months later ... I imagine there were jobs in between ?????

The kind of financial, marital problems and problems they were having with KC were big, huge and does not paint a picture of the perfect, happy home that Cindy would have us believe !! :sneaky:

[Dunlurken]

Because the adhesive on the duct tape was dissolved either by the elements or the insect activity.

jmo

Thank you. Was the syringe also enclosed in the bottle of "gatorade". I haven't been able to find an answer to that one. Been afraid to ask. LOL. I thought it was found "nearby" but didn't know if the syringe was in the bottle. JMO.

[sydney]

Ok your 7-8 months allegedly how many ultrasounds do you get..my guess is 1

agreed, pb - it really makes no sense to me at all.

[Ellie]

Because the bottle and syringe were enclosed and not open to the elements possible?

Anyway they do have prints so are you trying to say LE planted finger prints?

Nah, she just likes to play devil's advocate sometimes and it can be aggravating but at the same time it sure makes you think about things and possible defense scenario's, doesn't it?

From what I have seen on the duct tape, it wasn't in any kind of shape to have fingerprints on it. Probably (obviously) did at some point but it went through the elements for a long, long time and was partially fabric-- can't get fingerprints from that kind of fabric. The syringe was enclosed in a bottle, protecting the prints, and the bottle came out of a backpack or something, right? Waterproof or not, chances are pretty good that they were able to lift prints off of the bottle too.

Dunnie, I have to say that I don't think you think the defense is going anywhere with this, I think you just like to provoke thought and conversation. Could be wrong but that's what I think. I also sincerely think that if the defense had a snowball's chance in he&* of proving Casey innocent, there is no way Casey (Baez's girl) would be sitting on her rear in jail eating pork rinds and dealing with skin irritation. Nuh uh. Nooo way.

[jakee]

I was watching NG last night or the night before and one of the attorneys mentioned about a baby doll being used as practice for giving shots.

where did he get that from?

I was surprised to hear that also, but I think they found traces of chloro on the mama doll so maybe they just assumed?

[Aunt]

This used to have its own site. With extra pages.

Thanks Spots.

These foundations that have the purpose of collecting grants and donations to further their own monetary gain are ridiculous.

[djmsmom]

I'm curious how the bottle can be related to the case? If someone was huffing a substance similar to chloroform. The problem we have is no COD. No injection sites on Caylee's body, etc. Wasn't this area known as a "party" area?

Prosecution has a long way to go with this to make me believe it's related to the Caylee Anthony case. JMO. I need fingerprints to convince me it's related to the death. And we know we have none.

No we don't know there is no fingerprints, untill ALL discovery has been released.

[desmom]

Thank you. Was the syringe also enclosed in the bottle of "gatorade". I haven't been able to find an answer to that one. Been afraid to ask. LOL. I thought it was found "nearby" but didn't know if the syringe was in the bottle. JMO.

Yes it was inside of the Gatorade bottle. Pics of the bottle and its contents begin on page 47 http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/1106/21541051.pdf

[Dunlurken]

Nah, she just likes to play devil's advocate sometimes and it can be aggravating but at the same time it sure makes you think about things and possible defense scenario's, doesn't it?

From what I have seen on the duct tape, it wasn't in any kind of shape to have fingerprints on it. Probably (obviously) did at some point but it went through the elements for a long, long time and was partially fabric-- can't get fingerprints from that kind of fabric. The syringe was enclosed in a bottle, protecting the prints, and the bottle came out of a backpack or something, right? Waterproof or not, chances are pretty good that they were able to lift prints off of the bottle too.

Dunnie, I have to say that I don't think you think the defense is going anywhere with this, I think you just like to provoke thought and conversation. Could be wrong but that's what I think. I also sincerely think that if the defense had a snowball's chance in he&* of proving Casey innocent, there is no way Casey (Baez's girl) would be sitting on her rear in jail eating pork rinds and dealing with skin irritation. Nuh uh. Nooo way.
I do like to provoke thought. Hey.... Linda Kenny Baden got Phil Specter off the first time. And we thought that was a slam dunk. JMO.

Okay, so the syringe was enclosed in a bottle of chloroform. Okay, got it. Thanks. What are the chances it would still have fingerprints on it? It's cleaning fluid FGS. JMO.

[sydney]

here's what i've come up with as far as george's employment (all based on his deposition in the zfg case). i don't have any current info, but know he was working at the time this debacle occurred:

Page 13 ZFG Dep - Started in LE 1975

Page 23 ZFG Dep - Married Cindy in 1981

Page 27 ZFG De- Left LE 1984-1985 to join family business

Page 29 ZFG dep - Worked at family business 3 ½ - 4 years 1987-1989

Page 31-32 ZFG Dep - Started own business 1987-1989. 1988-1989 started to see business wasn’t going so well

Went through interview process with Orlando PD – cindy found out about it and said no

Moved to FL with no clear leads on a job for him in 1989

Page 34 – filed BK in late 1989 – discharged in January 1990

Page 39 - Started working in December of 1989 after move to Florida – 1 day at a Toyota dealership

Page 40 - A week later got a job at the Centroplex

Page 51 - Worked at the Centroplex a little over 3 years then went to work for a rental car company

Page 52 – left car rental 1996 or 1997 – worked there about 4 years

Page 54 Unemployed for five months –got little jobs here and there

Page 55 – started working for the Sentinel in November 1996

Page 67 – laid off from Sentinel. Had small security jobs, did a bunch of different things for a couple of years. 2005 – got position with pest control company

Page 68 – worked for them for a few months, got injured on the job.
On workers comp for about 18 months- took that long to get approval for surgery

Page 68 - Knee replacement in 2006. Went on disability mid 2005 – could have been 2004

Caylee born August 2005

Separated November 2005 – June 2006

(remember, these are the dates george is giving)

it's interesting to me that, since he was on disability and presumably not working - hanging around the house, in effect - that is the time that he and cindy separated due to "financial difficulties". my question is, if he wasn't at the house, did he still contribute to the bills? if not, how would kicking him out possibly help financially? could it be that there was some friction surrounding caylee's birth and cindy chose to remove the source of that friction?

[martha]

Thanks Spots.

These foundations that have the purpose of collecting grants and donations to further their own monetary gain are ridiculous.you or so right and i do wish there was a way to stop it. Poor little Caylee is taken care of the whole family now. just by her death they or able to do what ever they want and all their bills or paid. they have never had it so good.it is just really sad. I hate to think of casey getting away with this but from what some of you or saying it will only take one to do that.sad so sad.jmho:wub:

[Sun]

Thank you. Was the syringe also enclosed in the bottle of "gatorade". I haven't been able to find an answer to that one. Been afraid to ask. LOL. I thought it was found "nearby" but didn't know if the syringe was in the bottle. JMO.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21538827/detail.html

Here is the link to the doc dump. Have you read through it? Lots of good things there, you just have to read it. :wub:

[hello its me]

I do like to provoke thought. Hey.... Linda Kenny Baden got Phil Specter off the first time. And we thought that was a slam dunk. JMO.

Okay, so the syringe was enclosed in a bottle of chloroform. Okay, got it. Thanks. What are the chances it would still have fingerprints on it? It's cleaning fluid FGS. JMO.

No, she didn't. The Jurors said her forensic *experts* and case were a joke. One person was responsible. That juror. IF the vote had gone the other way, he would have hung it for conviction.

LKB gets no credit. From the jurors. You did pay attention to their presser, right? :sneaky:

[Dunlurken]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21538827/detail.html

Here is the link to the doc dump. Have you read through it? Lots of good things there, you just have to read it. :wub:
I find it so sad. Are they sure it was Caylee's doll? I have to go back to playing devil's advocate. JMO. :wub:

I'm trying to read as much as I can, but it is heart wrenching.

[Dtviewer3]

I'm curious how the bottle can be related to the case? If someone was huffing a substance similar to chloroform. The problem we have is no COD. No injection sites on Caylee's body, etc.
There was nothing left of Caylees body to check for injection sites.
Wasn't this area known as a "party" area?
No
Prosecution has a long way to go with this to make me believe it's related to the Caylee Anthony case. JMO. I need fingerprints to convince me it's related to the death. And we know we have none.
What do you mean 'and we know we have none? There have been no fingerprint reports released on the bottle or syringe.

Ill never understand how you can comment on so many cases with never doing research of your own......

[no1what]

I do like to provoke thought. Hey.... Linda Kenny Baden got Phil Specter off the first time. And we thought that was a slam dunk. JMO.

Okay, so the syringe was enclosed in a bottle of chloroform. Okay, got it. Thanks. What are the chances it would still have fingerprints on it? It's cleaning fluid FGS. JMO.


well imo if LE were going to plant fingerprints wouldn't they plant them on the duct tape?

[denjet]

Anthonys Familys' P.I. Deposition Postponed
http://www.wftv.com/news/21573563/detail.html

Casey Anthony: Private eye to be deposed next month
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/11/casey-anthony-private-eye-to-be-deposed-next-month.html

Hi des! Well I don't see this as a win for Dominic ... the second part of his reason for getting out of Thursday was his lawyer wasn't available ... The judge is making him do the deposition so this is a good thing :thumbup:

[MisterGrey]

they are based on your wages and a % of a body part - in this part, leg or potentially man-as-a-whole. i don't think george was earning a huge amount of money, so i don't think his settlement was substantial either. it is steady income but it's 2/3 of your regular pay (tax free)
desmon would have the correct answer and link, however IIRC George received about 60K and, although he had debts, managed to blow it during his separation from Cindy.

[Dtviewer3]

I agree. But there's always that one nutcase juror who can be swayed. Back during the Peterson case, we discussed "unreasonable" doubt. Lot of time spent on that one. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say. It only takes one for a hung jury.

Just trying to cross the "t's" and dot the "i's". JMO.

Well, there are certainly many of those around............

[Dtviewer3]

George does say she had a pinkish top on, perhaps he didn't notice the writing. As far as her lower half, Casey may have had to change her due to a bathroom mishap. She was in the early stages of potty training.

Or, George lied and never saw her.

Yep, that would be my guess.

[sydney]

desmon would have the correct answer and link, however IIRC George received about 60K and, although he had debts, managed to blow it during his separation from Cindy.

i'd like to see that link, too. as i said earlier, cindy said that george got his wc settlement and paid off the "problem" created when he took out his 401k/pension and it caught up with him in 2005. earlier, iirc, she said she had to draw from her 401k to cover the debts he ran up with credit cards. who knows with those people?

[Dtviewer3]

So, here's a question for you. If the bottle/syringe were deposited at the same time Caylee was deposited.... we had a hurricaine, etc. why are there no fingerprints on the duct tape, yet there are fingerprints on the bottle/syringe? Doesn't make sense to me.

Good grief.

The syringe is INSIDE a gattorade bottle. The tape was deteriorated into almost nothing after being underwater and through a hurricane.

Makes sense to me.

(btw, it has not been released whether or not there are fingerprints on the bottle or syringe)

[denjet]

Well, he already has one major fact wrong and that is that Caylee was found in the exact same clothing george supposedly saw her dressed in when KC took her out the door on 6/16.

george claimed a jean skirt and pink top, no lettering.

Caylee was found in striped shorts and the big trouble pink shirt.

Hi Scamp!
And white tennis shoes or sandals .. no shoes were found at the dump site ... I read on one of the blogs that LE has the clothes George said she was wearing from the A's ...

I so hope it's true ...

[desmom]

desmon would have the correct answer and link, however IIRC George received about 60K and, although he had debts, managed to blow it during his separation from Cindy.

page 29 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20224461/detail.html

As a matter of fact we got in a hole with about 30 thousand dollars. When I did get my ah, it was workers' comp think when I got a settlement it was like 60 thousand dollars. We paid off some of this stuff back as quickly as we could. Forty thousand of it came to me I used to live off for a few months till I gota job down there and bought a car. And I gave my wife money when I could you know and then.

There is more blah, blah, blah about their fiances shortly before and after this page.

jmo

[bballgrl]

I do like to provoke thought. Hey.... Linda Kenny Baden got Phil Specter off the first time. And we thought that was a slam dunk. JMO.

Okay, so the syringe was enclosed in a bottle of chloroform. Okay, got it. Thanks. What are the chances it would still have fingerprints on it? It's cleaning fluid FGS. JMO.


C'mon Dunnie.. No she didn't. HUNG JURY does not mean that Phil "got off". He was convicted in the RE-trial..

[desmom]

i'd like to see that link, too. as i said earlier, cindy said that george got his wc settlement and paid off the "problem" created when he took out his 401k/pension and it caught up with him in 2005. earlier, iirc, she said she had to draw from her 401k to cover the debts he ran up with credit cards. who knows with those people?

IMO, there were 3 adults in that household that contributed to their financial debt. The more I read their statements about their financial situation, the more I believe they lived way beyond their means.

[powerball]

page 29 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20224461/detail.html

As a matter of fact we got in a hole with about 30 thousand dollars. When I did get my ah, it was workers' comp think when I got a settlement it was like 60 thousand dollars. We paid off some of this stuff back as quickly as we could. Forty thousand of it came to me I used to live off for a few months till I gota job down there and bought a car. And I gave my wife money when I could you know and then.

There is more blah, blah, blah about their fiances shortly before and after this page.

jmo

As a matter a fact living off of $20,000 for a few months.. Oh yeah any money they make off of this will be gone in no time...:thumbup:

[Dunlurken]

C'mon Dunnie.. No she didn't. HUNG JURY does not mean that Phil "got off". He was convicted in the RE-trial..

I know that. That was my point. JMO.

[denjet]

I'm reading a lot of conflicting things about the chloroform and whether it was only trace amounts on the bottle and syringe or more ... the bug evidence is very, very damning though IMO

I wonder though, why the defense hasn't been out in full force doing damage control ... the entomology was given to them Oct 7th ... their last media blitz on the morning shows was Oct 2 ... hmmmm

Makes me think they've hit a brick wall ... something bad enough that they can't put a spin on?

I'm wondering why a steroid user would dispose of a needle in a Disney bag too :sneaky:

[Dunlurken]

Are you also afraid to read the documents that have been released?

Guess it's a normal day. Jump on Dunnie. later peeps!

[desmom]

As a matter a fact living off of $20,000 for a few months.. Oh yeah any money they make off of this will be gone in no time...:thumbup:

I am sure in George's eyes he "earned" at least $1,000 a month in back pay while recuperating from his surgery....and we wonder where Casey got her work ethics.

:tonguewag:

[denjet]

As a matter a fact living off of $20,000 for a few months.. Oh yeah any money they make off of this will be gone in no time...:thumbup:
Anyway of finding out if the A's paid off their house? They've probably collected more from the networks than they've made in the past 10 years if the numbers that have tossed around are accurate ...
Still we don't know how much is going to the defense, but they sure don't seem to be hurting for dough ...

[Dtviewer3]

I'm reading a lot of conflicting things about the chloroform and whether it was only trace amounts on the bottle and syringe or more ... the bug evidence is very, very damning though IMO

I wonder though, why the defense hasn't been out in full force doing damage control ... the entomology was given to them Oct 7th ... their last media blitz on the morning shows was Oct 2 ... hmmmm

Makes me think they've hit a brick wall ... something bad enough that they can't put a spin on?

I'm wondering why a steroid user would dispose of a needle in a Disney bag too :sneaky:


I think it may be strategy as to why the defense hasnt commented on the syringe and bottle.

Say they start a media blitz saying the syringe is not related, and was dumped there by a druggie.
Then LE releases tests showing an unknown persons prints, and the defense look like fools because they now claim the syringe WAS related and an unknown person could be responsible.

[Aunt]

you or so right and i do wish there was a way to stop it. Poor little Caylee is taken care of the whole family now. just by her death they or able to do what ever they want and all their bills or paid. they have never had it so good.it is just really sad. I hate to think of casey getting away with this but from what some of you or saying it will only take one to do that.sad so sad.jmho:wub:


Martha, In the event that the defense gets one juror to not vote guilty, it would be a mistrial, and the case would be then tried again with a new jury. If that happened, Casey would remain in jail.

I don't see that happening, to be honest.

AND she will NOT be found not guilty. Period.

:rose:

[Scampi]

Guess it's a normal day. Jump on Dunnie. later peeps!

You know when you choose to play Devil's advocate, sometimes there's heat Dunnie.

:seeya:

[sydney]

page 29 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20224461/detail.html

As a matter of fact we got in a hole with about 30 thousand dollars. When I did get my ah, it was workers' comp think when I got a settlement it was like 60 thousand dollars.We paid off some of this stuff back as quickly as we could. Forty thousand of it came to me I used to live off for a few months till I gota job down there and bought a car. And I gave my wife money when I could you know and then.

There is more blah, blah, blah about their fiances shortly before and after this page.

jmo

(bbm)
thanks, des. shows how concerned he was with his new granddaughter and cindy's ability to care for her financially on a single salary.

[Sun]

IMO, there were 3 adults in that household that contributed to their financial debt. The more I read their statements about their financial situation, the more I believe they lived way beyond their means.

I totally agree.

[Scampi]

Anyway of finding out if the A's paid off their house? They've probably collected more from the networks than they've made in the past 10 years if the numbers that have tossed around are accurate ...
Still we don't know how much is going to the defense, but they sure don't seem to be hurting for dough ...

IMO, all the photos and videos that KC took out of that house and into baez's office, were sold for high dollar amounts and is funding her so called defense up to this point.

However, I fully expect baez and lyon to request State funding for her defense at some point. Just like geragos did in the peterson case.

I also think some kind of arrangement was made for KC to sell her story at some point and a contractural agreement was made to pay baez et al out of those funds.

The money cynthia and george got for exploiting Caylee's horrific murder, is all theirs to live without working and to take cruises. IMO.

[Daffodil]

Thank you. Was the syringe also enclosed in the bottle of "gatorade". I haven't been able to find an answer to that one. Been afraid to ask. LOL. I thought it was found "nearby" but didn't know if the syringe was in the bottle. JMO.



Is it possible to have some DNA on the tip of the needle from the person who was injected?

[martha]

Martha, In the event that the defense gets one juror to not vote guilty, it would be a mistrial, and the case would be then tried again with a new jury. If that happened, Casey would remain in jail.

I don't see that happening, to be honest.

AND she will NOT be found not guilty. Period.

:rose:thank you sweetheart I just need for someone to tell me this. I get so scared about this tiral.I really just want justice for Caylee.jmho:wub:

[summer]

Is there a certain number of post you need on this thread in order to participate? TIA

Yes. IIRC you need to log in a meeeeelion posts to participate.

[desmom]

Anyway of finding out if the A's paid off their house? They've probably collected more from the networks than they've made in the past 10 years if the numbers that have tossed around are accurate ...
Still we don't know how much is going to the defense, but they sure don't seem to be hurting for dough ...

Did they borrow against their house?

This http://or.occompt.com/recorder/eagleweb/downloads/27194414.pdf?id=DOCC27194414.A0&parent=DOCC27194414 shows their mortgage was paid off in 06/2005.

:confused:

[snowflakes]

Is it possible to have some DNA on the tip of the needle from the person who was injected?



I would think that there would be some epithelial cells on the tip and I'm pretty sure DNA can be extracted from them. JMO

[desmom]

Is there a certain number of post you need on this thread in order to participate? TIA

:confused:

[MisterGrey]

i'd like to see that link, too. as i said earlier, cindy said that george got his wc settlement and paid off the "problem" created when he took out his 401k/pension and it caught up with him in 2005. earlier, iirc, she said she had to draw from her 401k to cover the debts he ran up with credit cards. who knows with those people?
I wish my memory was more acute. I have been interested in George's pecuniary difficulties, (aside from just not being regularly employed of course and a failure at providing for his family) I just cannot remember which particular statement he mumbled something about the 60K during the time they were separated.
I find his early statement to LE amusing when he tries to pull off altruistic motives when falling for the "scam", as if it he were "under a time of despairation", grasping at any straw to provide for his family during the time he was only receiving WC. Then we have Cindy in her Pros. depo, stating that prior to leaving Ohio, they had to "resolve" things...a fancy way of saying "we filed bankruptcy".

[farrahrani]

Is it possible to have some DNA on the tip of the needle from the person who was injected?

Yes, it's been said that when you inject, it pulls back a small amount of blood into the needle.
Hopefully it's enough and still in condition to get DNA.

[Daffodil]

I would think that there would be some epithelial cells on the tip and I'm pretty sure DNA can be extracted from them. JMO






Sooooooooo, if there was DNA from Caylee on that needle, would that be the smoking gun?

[MisterGrey]

page 29 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20224461/detail.html

As a matter of fact we got in a hole with about 30 thousand dollars. When I did get my ah, it was workers' comp think when I got a settlement it was like 60 thousand dollars. We paid off some of this stuff back as quickly as we could. Forty thousand of it came to me I used to live off for a few months till I gota job down there and bought a car. And I gave my wife money when I could you know and then.

There is more blah, blah, blah about their fiances shortly before and after this page.

jmo
:wub:
You are such a sweetie.

[Dtviewer3]

Sooooooooo, if there was DNA from Caylee on that needle, would that be the smoking gun?


I think you mean ANOTHER smoking gun.

You know, in addition to the bug evidence in the trunk.
The cadaver dogs hitting on the car.
The duct tape.
The 31 days partying and then obstructing every effort by LE to find your 'missing' daughter.

The other 'smoking' guns............:thumbup:

[powerball]

Did they borrow against their house?

This http://or.occompt.com/recorder/eagleweb/downloads/27194414.pdf?id=DOCC27194414.A0&parent=DOCC27194414 shows their mortgage was paid off in 06/2005.

:confused:

well everytime you refinance you technically payoff the old mortgage. IIRC they still owe on the house.

[Aunt]

thank you sweetheart I just need for someone to tell me this. I get so scared about this tiral.I really just want justice for Caylee.jmho:wub:

For Casey to be acquitted of the murder charge, the entire jury would have to vote not guilty. And you know, THATS not going to happen.

I believe the evidence is strong and that the jury will not have a problem finding her guilty of this murder, in the first go round.

I also think that there are several smoking guns that point directly to Casey Anthony.

It's only a matter of time.

[Sun]

Sooooooooo, if there was DNA from Caylee on that needle, would that be the smoking gun?

If Caylee's DNA was found on that needle, then can you imagine the defense trying to dream up a way to explain that away?

[Dtviewer3]

If Caylee's DNA was found on that needle, then can you imagine the defense trying to dream up with a way to explain that away?

I can hear it now.

"Junk science".

[Aunt]

I think you mean ANOTHER smoking gun.

You know, in addition to the bug evidence in the trunk.
The cadaver dogs hitting on the car.
The duct tape.
The 31 days partying and then obstructing every effort by LE to find your 'missing' daughter.

The other 'smoking' guns............:thumbup:

Thank you! I totally agree.

The prosecution has enough evidence to get the guilty verdict , and the sentence of the death penalty in this case.

The ONLY thing the jury is out on, in my opinion, is whether charges can and will be laid against Cindy and George Anthony for obstruction of justice and tampering of evidence, and the possiblity does exist for accessory to the crime in this case.

[marinewife5]

If Caylee's DNA was found on that needle, then can you imagine the defense trying to dream up a way to explain that away?

they will just say that it still doesn't incriminate casey. anyone could have used that needle to kill caylee.

jmo

[Dtviewer3]

Thank you! I totally agree.

The prosecution has enough evidence to get the guilty verdict for Caylee, and the sentence of the death penalty in this case.

The ONLY thing the jury is out on, in my opinion, is whether charges can and will be laid against Cindy and George Anthony for obstruction of justice and tampering of evidence.


Agreed.
I think the State needs to keep their case short, simple and to the point. Only concentrate on the easy, simple evidence. There is plenty of it available.

Chloroform, air tests, syringes, just cloud the facts. (Unless they found Caseys prints on the syringe, or Caylees DNA of course)

[ish]

but but but - cindy said kc had no prenatal care and is the one who made kc go to the doctor because she wasn't "feeling well" and cindy was afraid of fibroids, remember?

and iirc george said he went to all the ultrasounds (ick)

That would be some fibroid!! But perhaps they did an ultrasound on the first visit to gauge size and position of the baby, due to the lack of prenatal care. Knowing Casey though, it's possible she found an ultrasound photo online printed it and hung it up for kicks.

George going to all the ultrasounds? Um how many does a woman have in her pregnancy. I guess 2 or three? and that is with 9 months of prenatal care, she had, what 2 months worth? I call more Anthony BS.

[powerball]

http://or.occompt.com/recorder/eagleweb/docSearchResults.jsp?searchId=0

Not sure I copied this correctly public search on Cynthina Anthony. Did we know that there was same name with bad records..

[sydney]

That would be some fibroid!! But perhaps they did an ultrasound on the first visit to gauge size and position of the baby, due to the lack of prenatal care. Knowing Casey though, it's possible she found an ultrasound photo online printed it and hung it up for kicks.

George going to all the ultrasounds? Um how many does a woman have in her pregnancy. I guess 2 or three? and that is with 9 months of prenatal care, she had, what 2 months worth? I call more Anthony BS.

i love my dad, but NO WAY would i want him there for an ultrasound OR the delivery (and george made it sound like he was there). way too creepy in my book.

[Aunt]

http://or.occompt.com/recorder/eagleweb/docSearchResults.jsp?searchId=0

Not sure I copied this correctly public search on Cynthina Anthony. Did we know that there was same name with bad records..


Yes there is another who is an african american woman with charges like prostitution, jmo


oops I should have looked at your link first. You are referring to the mortgage. I was yakkin about criminal charges.

[Daffodil]

they will just say that it still doesn't incriminate casey. anyone could have used that needle to kill caylee.

jmo



What would they say if it had Caylee's DNA and Casey's fingerprints? HMMMM? Probably what they are saying right now. Nothing!!

[powerball]

Yes there is another who is an african american woman with charges like prostitution, jmo


oops I should have looked at your link first. You are referring to the mortgage. I was yakkin about criminal charges.

and child neglect. there is also something there that access is denied on George and Cindy... but to answer your question they have a new mortgage on 07/05

[Aunt]

http://or.occompt.com/recorder/eagleweb/downloads/20080642627.pdf?id=DOC317S24358.A0&parent=DOC317S24358

Found this pdf file from powerballs link.

Anyone know what it means?

Did the homeowners association take the anthonys to court?

ETA: Now I remember, it was when the HOA wanted to protestors moved away from the A home and Judge denied the motion.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17440866/detail.html

[Tia]

If Caylee's DNA was found on that needle, then can you imagine the defense trying to dream up a way to explain that away?

Oh, the defense will just say that Zanny injected her.

[Sun]

http://or.occompt.com/recorder/eagleweb/downloads/20080642627.pdf?id=DOC317S24358.A0&parent=DOC317S24358

Found this pdf file from powerballs link.

Anyone know what it means?

Did the homeowners association take the anthonys to court?

Yes, the homeowners assoc. in their neighborhood did sue the Anthonys.

[powerball]

http://or.occompt.com/recorder/eagleweb/downloads/20080642627.pdf?id=DOC317S24358.A0&parent=DOC317S24358

Found this pdf file from powerballs link.

Anyone know what it means?

Did the homeowners association take the anthonys to court?

thats my guess....did you see the one with Cynthia Marie Anthony not a good charge..the other lady has the same name or did Casey use her moms name... JMO

[ish]

Agreed.
I think the State needs to keep their case short, simple and to the point. Only concentrate on the easy, simple evidence. There is plenty of it available.

Chloroform, air tests, syringes, just cloud the facts. (Unless they found Caseys prints on the syringe, or Caylees DNA of course)

Yes, don't get sidetracked. Stick with the facts, Casey left home on the 16th of June with Caylee (alive according to Casey and George) and no one has ever seen Caylee again. Casey went about her merry way, dancing, stealing getting tattooed and laid, never mentioning to anyone that her daughter was being kept from her by the mad nanny. When the police got involved, she told them countless lies took them on a wild goose chase. She was arrested and jailed, flash forward 6 months and her daughter's remains (sorry George) are found 1/4 mile from her home, accompanied by bedding, clothing and items tied directly to her home, and duct tape found on gas cans in that home is the same as duct tape found wrapped around her skull. The prosecution doesn't need a lot of bells and whistles on this one.

[marinewife5]

What would they say if it had Caylee's DNA and Casey's fingerprints? HMMMM? Probably what they are saying right now. Nothing!!

ita....and nothing would be the best thing for them to say

[Aunt]

and child neglect. there is also something there that access is denied on George and Cindy... but to answer your question they have a new mortgage on 07/05


PB thanks for that link.

What is the child neglect document about?

Is it just a coincidence??

http://or.occompt.com/recorder/eagleweb/downloads/20060724805.pdf?id=DOCC20060724805.A0&parent=DOCC20060724805

[Dtviewer3]

Yes, don't get sidetracked. Stick with the facts, Casey left home on the 16th of June with Caylee (alive according to Casey and George) and no one has ever seen Caylee again. Casey went about her merry way, dancing, stealing getting tattooed and laid, never mentioning to anyone that her daughter was being kept from her by the mad nanny. When the police got involved, she told them countless lies took them on a wild goose chase. She was arrested and jailed, flash forward 6 months and her daughter's remains (sorry George) are found 1/4 mile from her home, accompanied by bedding, clothing and items tied directly to her home, and duct tape found on gas cans in that home is the same as duct tape found wrapped around her skull. The prosecution doesn't need a lot of bells and whistles on this one.


Exactly. And add to that the entomology reports and the cadaver dogs, and also the multiple people recognizing the stench of death in the car.
Let them read and hear the original police reports with the universal interview, and a couple of the videos from jail.

Done. Case closed.

[marinewife5]

Exactly. And add to that the entomology reports and the cadaver dogs, and also the multiple people recognizing the stench of death in the car.
Let them read and hear the original police reports with the universal interview, and a couple of the videos from jail.

Done. Case closed.

the simpler they keep it, the harder it will be for the defense. and even though we have page after page of discovery, it really is a simple case.

jmo

[powerball]

PB thanks for that link.

What is the child neglect document about?

Is it just a coincidence??

http://or.occompt.com/recorder/eagleweb/downloads/20060724805.pdf?id=DOCC20060724805.A0&parent=DOCC20060724805

thats why I asked if we ever seen this before... maybe we can match the signatures.

[Aunt]

thats my guess....did you see the one with Cynthia Marie Anthony not a good charge..the other lady has the same name or did Casey use her moms name... JMO

The one document that is about George is denied to us.

The other ones we are talking about, I believe is the african american woman who has the VERY same name as Cynthia Marie Anthony.

She has convictions to child neglect, prostitution and cocaine and meth.

I wonder what kind of trouble George was in previous to this case.

Access to that particular document, denied.

It is a domestic relations court document dated 12/10/2007 .

[cuddlyrunner]

I've never seen that before-did it come up on a doc dump? Is it the right Cindy?

[MisterGrey]

The one document that is about George is denied to us.

The other ones we are talking about, I believe is the african american woman who has the VERY same name as Cynthia Marie Anthony.

She has convictions to child neglect, prostitution and cocaine and meth.

I wonder what kind of trouble George was in previous to this case.

Access to that particular document, denied.

It is a domestic relations court document dated 12/10/2007 .
Could that be when George, ignoring Cindy's wishes for a do-it-yourself type divorce, filed a petition for divorce?

[denjet]

I think it may be strategy as to why the defense hasnt commented on the syringe and bottle.

Say they start a media blitz saying the syringe is not related, and was dumped there by a druggie.
Then LE releases tests showing an unknown persons prints, and the defense look like fools because they now claim the syringe WAS related and an unknown person could be responsible.

Wouldn't be the first time they looked like fools and directly contradicted evidence we later found out was true ... :rolleyes:

[ish]

Or, George lied and never saw her.

Yep, that would be my guess.

George lied? Really? Again?:biggrin: But it would be funny if his lie about what he saw her wearing and when he last saw her, helped to convict Casey. I think a lot of Cindy's lies and George's lies will end up hurting Casey, despite the fact that they told those lies to help her.

[Aunt]

Could that be when George, ignoring Cindy's wishes for a do-it-yourself type divorce, filed a petition for divorce?

Ya ..I do think that is what it is.

[denjet]

IMO, all the photos and videos that KC took out of that house and into baez's office, were sold for high dollar amounts and is funding her so called defense up to this point.

However, I fully expect baez and lyon to request State funding for her defense at some point. Just like geragos did in the peterson case.

I also think some kind of arrangement was made for KC to sell her story at some point and a contractural agreement was made to pay baez et al out of those funds.

The money cynthia and george got for exploiting Caylee's horrific murder, is all theirs to live without working and to take cruises. IMO.

I think you're right Scamp ... however, Cindy was selling stuff too and getting licensing fees for appearances ... they have to be living on SOMETHING ... doesn't look like there was any equity in the house, savings?, credit cards maxed out? How ARE they surviving

[ish]

Exactly. And add to that the entomology reports and the cadaver dogs, and also the multiple people recognizing the stench of death in the car.
Let them read and hear the original police reports with the universal interview, and a couple of the videos from jail.

Done. Case closed.

Don't let the defense take it the OJ route, bringing in unrelated issues and going off on tangents. We know they are going to try to put the blame on Jesse, KronK, possibly TonE, even Amy and or Annie. The best bet is for them to get as much detail and backup regarding the whereabouts and activities of those people during the crucial time frame, phone records, job, school attendence records, EZ pass etc. Whatever they can to show it would have been impossible for them to have kidnapped Caylee. Cut the defense off at their knees. Let's hope Strickland is no Ito.

[Aunt]

Is anyone else getting private messages every day, to join another forum?? (and I dont mean fLaBs)

Its annoying!

[cassidy]

Is anyone else getting private messages every day, to join another forum?? (and I dont mean fLaBs)

Its annoying!

Nope. Should I feel left out?

[Lavinya]

Hi Syd! So do you think they LIED about not knowing Casey was preggers til Rick's wedding? Hmmm...

Has anyone ever taken a good look at those ultrasounds on the bedroom wall? If they didn't find out that Casey was pregnant til she was seven months along, I'd like to know when those ultrasounds were done.

Annie, those U/S pics were of a far along pregnancy, IMO. I saw the pics, somewhat, and it looks like from about 6 months gestation up.

[Aunt]

Nope. Should I feel left out?

No. :laugh:

But once, fine.

Again, go way.

[powerball]

Is anyone else getting private messages every day, to join another forum?? (and I dont mean fLaBs)

Its annoying!

hmmm. MMac..wonder if that is Mac Daddy?? oh Yes..but I am a flab true..

[jakee]

Is anyone else getting private messages every day, to join another forum?? (and I dont mean fLaBs)

Its annoying!

NO! :mad: LOL

[Scampi]

I think you're right Scamp ... however, Cindy was selling stuff too and getting licensing fees for appearances ... they have to be living on SOMETHING ... doesn't look like there was any equity in the house, savings?, credit cards maxed out? How ARE they surviving

You're right, they made a heft sum off of videos and photos that they sold, imo. With this foundation thing they have, I think there is a way to get grants and funds that pay them to run it.

IMO, the milsteads are old hands at this type of scam and are providing the anthonys advice on how to do it.


Caylee who?

[powerball]

NO! :mad: LOL

one of the recipients in my message was Root Beer..so. you know..:lol:

[caphill]

Yes, don't get sidetracked. Stick with the facts, Casey left home on the 16th of June with Caylee (alive according to Casey and George) and no one has ever seen Caylee again. Casey went about her merry way, dancing, stealing getting tattooed and laid, never mentioning to anyone that her daughter was being kept from her by the mad nanny. When the police got involved, she told them countless lies took them on a wild goose chase. She was arrested and jailed, flash forward 6 months and her daughter's remains (sorry George) are found 1/4 mile from her home, accompanied by bedding, clothing and items tied directly to her home, and duct tape found on gas cans in that home is the same as duct tape found wrapped around her skull. The prosecution doesn't need a lot of bells and whistles on this one.


Does someone know how many pieces of duct were taken in as evidence from the dump site. The evidence list of items shows the duct tape with evidence numbers Q316-317 and Q318 as non Henkel tape.

Were these 3 pieces of tape the tape that was around the lower skull?

[damienstoy]

So... how many people have already reported LeeBoyd? (I don't want to quote the threat)