Nicholas Francisco 11/9 to 11/13

[Cury-us Coyote]

Missing SeaTac man found living out of state
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/6420ap_wa_missing_man_found.html

[Brattnt]

A SeaTac man whose sudden disappearance last year sparked a law-enforcement search and widespread Internet speculation, is "alive and well" and living in another state under a new name, according to the King County Sheriff's Office....

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010237613_webfranciscofound10m.html


WOW!

[dreamtime]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010237613_webfranciscofound10m.html
Found alive and well and living out of state.

http://www.pnwlocalnews.com/south_king/fwm/news/69598637.html
All the news organizations are saying the same thing. Quoting LE
that he is alive. No other info. at all.

[dreamtime]

http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=22266
LE will not pursue as it is not a criminal matter.
'snip'

Last week detectives developed information that he was in fact alive. He had changed his name and was living outside of Washington.

[dreamtime]

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/69598862.html
'snip'
SEATAC, Wash. -- He's no longer missing, and no longer any candidate for a father of the year award.

Nicholas Francisco, who had been "missing" since Feb. 13, 2008, was found alive and quite well living under a new name in another state, said John Urquhart with the King County Sheriff's Department.

Francisco hadn't been heard from since he called his pregnant wife that day and promised his 4-year-old daughter Zea he'd make Valentine's Day cookies with her, but never showed. The family also had a 2 1/2-year-old son.

Francisco's car was found a few days later, abandoned in Federal Way. Police investigated but found no evidence of foul play.


..more at link..

[nothingnew]

Missing SeaTac man found living out of state
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/6420ap_wa_missing_man_found.html

Holy moly!! I knew I stopped in for a reason. This should be interesting.

[SilverDove]

So the perfect father and husband really did walk away from his family.

So looks like he did have a secret life after all.

[dreamtime]

You know, I was unsure if Nicholas F was alive or dead.
I changed my mind over this last year, depending on what I read.

But, I am glad to know he is alive.

However, he could have saved so much grief and worry and wondering by so many had he just left a note and said, ... do not look for me.. i am leaving...

But, woulda, coulda, shoulda.
He didn't.
And now he has been found.
Where, LE will not say.
And I guess it is none of our business.

[Casspian]

http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=22266
LE will not pursue as it is not a criminal matter.
'snip'

Last week detectives developed information that he was in fact alive. He had changed his name and was living outside of Washington.


Wow... thanks so much for the news.

[SilverDove]

Oh I'm sure there could be alot of things said still - SilverDove you have been here from the start like most of us and we use to get on you for all the talk about Nicholas being a member of that Sex Club....the bottom line here is that Nicholas is still on the Missing Person List and even the Cold Case Unit is taking on his case - I would think if LE really believed Nicholas was alive and in hiding they would drop this case, just because what the spouse says doesn't mean it's a fact. bbl gotta get back to work...JMOO

And now that he is alive and it would appear that I was correct?

[SilverDove]

Good morning, SD!

There are question/s for you up above. The thread is going a little quickly so maybe you missed them. Also, you wondered about Nicholas' family being silent and I posted to that. As well as Christine's pregnancy.

Trying, very hard, to keep all of this on track.

IMO.
M.

So now that he has been found alive and living with someone just like I always said I think we can drop the games about how cool he is and all the no evidence don't you?

[Casspian]

Thank you Christine for coming on here. Thank god that part of this is over. Blessing to you and your family.

[SilverDove]

The ex-wife is alive and she can defend herself. And she does and will. With impunity.

And BTW, where is the proof of anything false that anyone has said about the ex-wife. You keep bringing up this point, but you don't provide examples. The one time you provided examples, they were BOGUS. Since I have been reading here, I have not heard anyone accuse the ex-wife of killing her husband because a) he wanted a divorce or b) he found out he was not the father of the baby. It's as I said a few posts ago: anyone can come on a message board and post any dangfool thing. There is no law in the universe that I must believe it.

And this is the second time you have accused me of being the "thought police." I responded to your accusation rationally in my last post, but if you insist, YES, I am the thought police BWA HA HA HA HA

Since Nicholas is alive I'm sure if anything wrong has been said about him he can defending himself :tonguewag:

[elf999]

This is Christine Carter. I have a few things to say to the lot of you.

Hi Christine, thanks for posting and letting us know what's going on. I'm so glad Nicholas was found, for you and the kids sake. At least now you know what has happened and hopefully eventually you'll get back to having a somewhat normal life again.

Many Blessings

[need2no]

So the perfect father and husband really did walk away from his family.

So looks like he did have a secret life after all.


I'd say he had a secret alright, had to be some reason he walked, but still no confirmation of a secret (sex) life, and I guess we will never know one way or the other.

We don't know WHY he up and left everything and everybody, and I guess we will never know the answer, as well as whether Christine knew from day one that he had walked out, rather than mysteriously disappeared.

I can only speculate, and I believe there must have been some very compelling reason for him to abruptly leave.

This is still such a mystery, but I'm just glad he is alive and able to pay child support. Regardless of what happened, the father should help support his children.

Fortunately for Christine she is not pining away over a lost love since she was able to quickly find a new man to love.

Kudos to LE!

[SilverDove]

Kudos to King County Sheriffs for staying on the case and finding the real answer when some only wanted them to look at the wife.

Love to Christine for all she when through because this guy didn't have the guts to let anyone know what he had done. You were right.

[nothingnew]

And now that he is alive and it would appear that I was correct?

Absolutely! :thumbup: For an encore can you get us the rest of the story now? You know, before people start to persecute the poor little "witch" against his mothers wishes. I say give him the option of making a payment plan to reimburse the taxpayers of WA or just be "outed" for good.

[Cheri_G]

Its good that he's alive and safe. The rest isn't so good. There's not much information currently but even so, I can't think of a single good excuse for Nick choosing to go this route. I'm surprised he managed to remain hidden for so long.

I think for the older children the next few weeks/months are going to be even harder on them than when Nick went missing. Knowing he's out there and they can't see him, not understanding why he left.

[Danette44]

And now that he is alive and it would appear that I was correct?

Yes he is alive and I'm one that can say I'm sorry -

[SeattleEddie]

Cool. I am so glad he has been found! No word on the "secret life" and his sexual proclivities.

Regarding the ex-wife and her threats to pursue a lawsuit. I hope she has a **very** good attorney, as no self-respecting lawyer I know would file, absent damages.

Great news, though.

[dreamtime]

Christine:
I wanted to say thank you for coming onto IS
and sharing your feelings.
I am sure this last year and a half has been a hard one for you and the children in many ways.

Please know that many people have cared about your situation and the children.

Prayers for you, your children and your new life.

[Casspian]

Cool. I am so glad he has been found! No word on the "secret life" and his sexual proclivities.

Regarding the ex-wife and her threats to pursue a lawsuit. I hope she has a **very** good attorney, as no self-respecting lawyer I know would file, absent damages.

Great news, though.


I guess you haven't seen how many people have been sued for what they say online - many lose. Like I said, there's a long public record on this case.

[Casspian]

I know there is a thread for this case as I post there, but I doubt many go read it anymore.

http://www.b-townblog.com/2009/11/09/breaking-missing-man-nicholas-francisco-found-alive-in-another-state-living-under-a-new-name/comment-page-1/

http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle911/archives/184556.asp?from=blog_last3

'Missing' SeaTac man found alive and well out of state
Seattle Post Intelligencer - ‎50 minutes ago‎
Nicholas Francisco, the SeaTac man whose disappearance prompted a statewide investigation, has been found alive and well living out of state.


So, yeah ... he just walked away and never let anyone know he was alive and well :mad:

[ttcRider]

I know there is a thread for this case as I post there, but I doubt many go read it anymore.

http://www.b-townblog.com/2009/11/09/breaking-missing-man-nicholas-francisco-found-alive-in-another-state-living-under-a-new-name/comment-page-1/

http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle911/archives/184556.asp?from=blog_last3

'Missing' SeaTac man found alive and well out of state
Seattle Post Intelligencer - ‎50 minutes ago‎
Nicholas Francisco, the SeaTac man whose disappearance prompted a statewide investigation, has been found alive and well living out of state.


So, yeah ... he just walked away and never let anyone know he was alive and well :mad:

wow! So many were following this case... :cursing:

[SeattleEddie]

I guess you haven't seen how many people have been sued for what they say online - many lose. Like I said, there's a long public record on this case.

What I have seen, you don't want to know. Someone on a message board has nothing to teach me legally. Thank you for your concern, however.

[Starkist]

Well, well...Ok Nick now that you're found...Not knowing the whole story either way, I still offer an unbiased non judgemental ear. There had to be some compelling reason why you would do this and you owe a lot of people the answer to that question.

I am not apologizing to your exwife for anything I said. The record stands for all the lies she told and misleading information she gave during this investigation.

[Casspian]

I know ... it's upsetting that so much time and effort was spent looking for this guy and he just walked out on his pregnant wife and two children.


There's a lot more here

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13627711#post13627711

[Hey Paula]

I've always felt he was alive and well. I think it was a cowardly act and demonstrated a lack of respect for his wife, as well as abandonment and irresponsible neglect of his children and the emotional fallout his "disappearance" caused.

[SeattleEddie]

Well, well...Ok Nick now that you're found...Not knowing the whole story either way, I still offer an unbiased non judgemental ear. There had to be some compelling reason why you would do this and you owe a lot of people the answer to that question.

I am not apologizing to your exwife for anything I said. The record stands for all the lies she told and misleading information she gave during this investigation.

emphasis added.

I totally agree.

[birdwatch]

I was so sure he was dead so I was relieved to hear he was not: then furious at him!

[boo]

I wonder how long his mother and sisters have known.

Wow. I'm so glad he is alive but disappointed that he didn't let people know. He lives in my town now so I guess I can keep an eye out for him. Wonder if he ever saw any of those posters I put up in Hollywood. :confused:

[SilverDove]

emphasis added.

I totally agree.

Give me a break. Why did I already know that people would still be trying to attack Christine even though it was Nicholas who walked away just to avoid paying child support? Who was the jerk.

If he didn't do anything wrong he can defend himself just the way that everyone says that Christine could.

You also have no proof that anything Christine said was a lie. Just your own bitter hate of her.

Also it is sounding like a lot of what she said that was dismissed stands a very good chance of being true.

[nothingnew]

Cool. I am so glad he has been found! No word on the "secret life" and his sexual proclivities.

Regarding the ex-wife and her threats to pursue a lawsuit. I hope she has a **very** good attorney, as no self-respecting lawyer I know would file, absent damages.

Great news, though.

"Self respecting" lawyer? Well, I am in CA and you can't swing a dead cat without hitting one of the "other" lawyer types.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Mystery Of SeaTac Man's Disappearance Solved
(includes new picture)
http://www.kirotv.com/news/21564478/detail.html

[GentleBreeze]

Christine, I seldom posted on Nicholas' case but I have read it to keep up with any updates. From the beginning I always felt he was alive out there somewhere. I did see you on TV when this first happened and I thought your anguish was very genuine.

Sometimes life can be so cruel but in the end when the pain subsides, I hope you find out that it may have been for the best. Even if he had stayed he really wouldn't have been there like he should have been for all of you. Being a devoted father and husband takes someone strong and dedicated who weathers the storms and it seems Nicholas wasn't made from that kind of cloth.

God bless you and your children. I can't imagine what all of this has done to all of your lives in the last 21 months.

imo

[need2no]

Cool. I am so glad he has been found! No word on the "secret life" and his sexual proclivities.

Regarding the ex-wife and her threats to pursue a lawsuit. I hope she has a **very** good attorney, as no self-respecting lawyer I know would file, absent damages.

Great news, though.

Christine really seems to have a flair for winning people over with her words-NOT. With the news of Nicholas being alive she takes this opportunity to come on the board and says she is considering a lawsuit against people on a message board. :rolleyes: People who were quoting HER words, and discussing her (documented) actions, or merely expressing their (well justified) opinions. Wow-last I heard we still have freedom of speech in this country?

Great news about Nicholas, though.

[aubrey04]

:ohmy:

:blink:

Wow..Glad he's alive, but what a bummer for all the people who were desperately searching for him.

[boo]

I have a hard time as well, N2K (by the way, long time!).
I always suspected he walked away and would eventually show up.

No, Christine did not deserve that, however even today, when she could deliever this "news", it is done with cynicism and attitude. Yes, she was accused of some terrible things and so was he. Her words would have meant more to me and I'd feel much more sympathetic toward her if she didn't judge him with words such as "dark heart" and "evil". Today was a wonderful opportunity for Christine to poignantly deliver a message and finally be heard and somehow, like before, her words have a way of inciting emotions (in a not so good way).

Either way, I hope she gets some closure now and I'm glad he's been found.

[Starkist]

Boo, I live in LA too...I know about the lawyers here...They hear frivoulous lawsuit and go :loveeyes:

[boo]

Boo, I live in LA too...I know about the lawyers here...They hear frivoulous lawsuit and go :loveeyes:

You take the South and West sides and I'll take the North and East sides. Let's get him and find out what's really going on. I want the truth, dang it. All of it!

[MystryPhobia]

Cool. I am so glad he has been found! No word on the "secret life" and his sexual proclivities.

Regarding the ex-wife and her threats to pursue a lawsuit. I hope she has a **very** good attorney, as no self-respecting lawyer I know would file, absent damages.

Great news, though.

LOL You used self respecting and lawyer in the same sentence!

I do not think you have to prove damages in a defemation suit.. damages would be assumed.

I don't think it will be an easy case, if that is the route that she chooses to take. Precedence is set in courtrooms all over the country, daily tho. I can image alot of what has been said here and other places was extremely hurtful to Christine but I also think that many are very careful to not state things as fact and to say that it is their opinion and leave the reader with the ability to form their own opinion.

As for Nicholas being found.. I have to say that I am not surprised at all. The new name.. the hiding.. all that.. yeah, I think it needs to all sink in before I say much more.

[Starkist]

You take the South and West sides and I'll take the North and East sides. Let's get him and find out what's really going on. I want the truth, dang it. All of it!

As I wanted to perform "shaken lady syndrome" on C to get to the truth, now I want to perform "shaken found man syndrome" on Nick. He's had so many opportunities to go to someone and let them know he was ok and clear up this whole mess. That pic looks like this has aged him quite a few years...he does not look like a man enjoying his departure.

[RainyNiteNTx]

OMG Nicholas is alive??????? I can't believe it!! Thank God! My computer picked this time to turn itself on and off and I don't know when the next off will be - oh wow - I need to go back a couple of pages.

[boo]

As I wanted to perform "shaken lady syndrome" on C to get to the truth, now I want to perform "shaken found man syndrome" on Nick. He's had so many opportunities to go to someone and let them know he was ok and clear up this whole mess. That pic looks like this has aged him quite a few years...he does not look like a man enjoying his departure.

I am inclined to believe he may have done that, Starkist. I think his mother and sisters must have known he was alive and okay. No close knit, Catholic family that i know is going to sit back for 2 years and not make a plea for their brother/son to phone home. As much as I always believed he ran, I also believe he must have let somebody he trusted know he was okay. I have to believe that. This doesn't negate the fact that what he did was not okay, however.

[SilverDove]

As I wanted to perform "shaken lady syndrome" on C to get to the truth, now I want to perform "shaken found man syndrome" on Nick. He's had so many opportunities to go to someone and let them know he was ok and clear up this whole mess. That pic looks like this has aged him quite a few years...he does not look like a man enjoying his departure.

What picture have you found all the ones I'm finding are the old ones.

[elf999]

What picture have you found all the ones I'm finding are the old ones.

Here SilverDove

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21564478/detail.html#

[boo]

What picture have you found all the ones I'm finding are the old ones.

I have to agree on the pic, SilverDove. Looks like Nic has lost his innocent boy-like good looks and has now got the LA hardened and aged look. Sad really. Of course, that is my opinion only.

[SilverDove]

Here SilverDove

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21564478/detail.html#

LOL looks like he isn't very happy to have gotten caught and had to pay child support.

Maybe now that he has been found he will grow his hair out. Bald just isn't a good look for him.:lol:

[Starkist]

I have to agree on the pic, SilverDove. Looks like Nic has lost his innocent boy-like good looks and has now got the LA hardened and aged look. Sad really. Of course, that is my opinion only.

One thing I have to say...he sure blends well with the LA look. He looks like about 1000 other LA Latinos combing the streets these days.

[MystryPhobia]

I have to agree on the pic, SilverDove. Looks like Nic has lost his innocent boy-like good looks and has now got the LA hardened and aged look. Sad really. Of course, that is my opinion only.

Maybe that is exactly what he wanted to have happened. I am not sure if I saw that picture.. I would think it was Nicholas.

[SilverDove]

One thing I have to say...he sure blends well with the LA look. He looks like about 1000 other LA Latinos combing the streets these days.

Thats why I figured he would go there.

[Mr FATE]

I have to admit I'm appalled by some of the comments here, and no - I'm not naming names.

I truly wonder why some even follow these cases. Is it just so that you have a place to say you belong? to have a place to "log-on"? Is it to see the misery on someone face? to see the heart break? to just post childish comments?

Today should be a day of semi-jubilation for people who truly care about missing persons. Someone was actually found alive, (and yes, I knew it was just a matter of time) but none the less, why are some giving Christine a hardtime? She's the victim here, and so are her children. I really shouldn't even have to say all this, you all know that's the truth and the facts.

As for the words that Christine posted that some don't like - imagine the vindication she must feel. Accused by so many of so much. Try to see her side and take off your myopic glasses.

Nichloas may be a male, but he's no man and I bet he's read here and other sites all the time. He needs to grow up and find his way in life too.

There isn't one person on these boards that hasn't made mistakes in their own personal life - try to remember that people are only human and hopefully you are here for the right reasons and not to harm someone who is hurting - and yes, I know that the vast majority are here for the right reasons.

I hope that the healing can begin, that Nicholas owns up to his mistakes and he and Christine are able to find a way to make it all work for the sake of their kids. Time heals most wounds, but not all.

Just remember there are many people out there that are truly searching for someone they love and cherish - and they are in pain not knowing where they are or what became of them.

One woman's pain was very apparent in this case.

[Starkist]

LOL looks like he isn't very happy to have gotten caught and had to pay child support.

Maybe now that he has been found he will grow his hair out. Bald just isn't a good look for him.:lol:

There was no court order for child support and no one knows whether or not that was his reason for leaving, to avoid ever paying. I do agree though, the bald look is not a good one for him.

[Starkist]

I have to admit I'm appalled by some of the comments here, and no - I'm not naming names.

I truly wonder why some even follow these cases. Is it just so that you have a place to say you belong? to have a place to "log-on"? Is it to see the misery on someone face? to see the heart break? to just post childish comments?

Today should be a day of semi-jubilation for people who truly care about missing persons. Someone was actually found alive, (and yes, I knew it was just a matter of time) but none the less, why are some giving Christine a hardtime? She's the victim here, and so are her children. I really shouldn't even have to say all this, you all know that's the truth and the facts.

As for the words that Christine posted that some don't like - imagine the vindication she must feel. Accused by so many of so much. Try to see her side and take off your myopic glasses.

Nichloas may be a male, but he's no man and I bet he's read here and other sites all the time. He needs to grow up and find his way in life too.

There isn't one person on these boards that hasn't made mistakes in their own personal life - try to remember that people are only human and hopefully you are here for the right reasons and not to harm someone who is hurting - and yes, I know that the vast majority are here for the right reasons.

I hope that the healing can begin, that Nicholas owns up to his mistakes and he and Christine are able to find a way to make it all work for the sake of their kids. Time heals most wounds, but not all.

Just remember there are many people out there that are truly searching for someone they love and cherish - and they are in pain not knowing where they are or what became of them.

One woman's pain was very apparent in this case.

You are only posting from C's POV. There are 2 sides to every story and until we hear Nick's, I care not to judge what he did.

[SilverDove]

There was no court order for child support and no one knows whether or not that was his reason for leaving, to avoid ever paying. I do agree though, the bald look is not a good one for him.

Well Christine said she got support from him. And the sheriff did say child support had been in touch with him. :thumbsup:

[MystryPhobia]

There was no court order for child support and no one knows whether or not that was his reason for leaving, to avoid ever paying. I do agree though, the bald look is not a good one for him.

I don't know why you keep stating that there wasn't a court order for child support.. there was an order for support. It is part of the divorce papers. If there was no order then how did they take part of his check and send it to Christine for the children? That couldn't be done without a court order for support.

[boo]

I have to admit I'm appalled by some of the comments here, and no - I'm not naming names.

I truly wonder why some even follow these cases. Is it just so that you have a place to say you belong? to have a place to "log-on"? Is it to see the misery on someone face? to see the heart break? to just post childish comments?

Today should be a day of semi-jubilation for people who truly care about missing persons. Someone was actually found alive, (and yes, I knew it was just a matter of time) but none the less, why are some giving Christine a hardtime? She's the victim here, and so are her children. I really shouldn't even have to say all this, you all know that's the truth and the facts.

As for the words that Christine posted that some don't like - imagine the vindication she must feel. Accused by so many of so much. Try to see her side and take off your myopic glasses.

Nichloas may be a male, but he's no man and I bet he's read here and other sites all the time. He needs to grow up and find his way in life too.

There isn't one person on these boards that hasn't made mistakes in their own personal life - try to remember that people are only human and hopefully you are here for the right reasons and not to harm someone who is hurting - and yes, I know that the vast majority are here for the right reasons.

I hope that the healing can begin, that Nicholas owns up to his mistakes and he and Christine are able to find a way to make it all work for the sake of their kids. Time heals most wounds, but not all.

Just remember there are many people out there that are truly searching for someone they love and cherish - and they are in pain not knowing where they are or what became of them.

One woman's pain was very apparent in this case.

You may or may not be talking to me but I'll address this anyway. Many of us here either have a missing person in our life or have had a missing person in our life. Some of us have had it work out okay and have been reunited, and others of us have not had it work out okay. I guess in my case, I got my loved one back and was at least able to bury him, so if you want to call mine a success story, so be it.

I think this gives many of us the liberty to feel and express whatever we want, as we've been there, done that. Do I need a place to log into and/or belong? You can't be serious with that question.

[n/t]

OMG!!! I just heard the news!! Crying happy tears! Thank God he's alive. :thumbsup:

[boo]

OMG!!! I just heard the news!! Crying happy tears! Thank God he's alive. :thumbsup:

I was just thinking about you and wondering if you knew. Good news, huh?

[SilverDove]

You are only posting from C's POV. There are 2 sides to every story and until we hear Nick's, I care not to judge what he did.

And exactly what do you think would make a valid reason to walk out on your pregnant wife and children. Cause the police and public to spend counts hours and who knows how much money just so he could take off?

Come on there were far better ways to do this and besides if he wanted he could have come and defended himself at any time.

[MystryPhobia]

You are only posting from C's POV. There are 2 sides to every story and until we hear Nick's, I care not to judge what he did.

I don't think that you have to judge him Starkist.. that is not the job of any of us.. or even Christine, for that matter. But.. I think it is okay to have a feeling or thought about it.

He isn't dead. She didn't kill him. He walked off and unless he has been tied up in someone's basement (which apparantly he hasn't) then he has been capable of calling his 6 year old daugther to tell her that he is okay.. and he didn't. That is tragic.. IMO.. and very hard to want to wait to hear "his side" of that.

[boo]

I wonder how the people at his job are feeling right now. I wonder how the people at MHC are feeling right now, too.

I read somewhere tonight that this case for whatever reason has just grabbed onto a lot of different people and it has baffled LE from the inception (the public's reaction to NF's disappearance).

[Starkist]

I don't know why you keep stating that there wasn't a court order for child support.. there was an order for support. It is part of the divorce papers. If there was no order then how did they take part of his check and send it to Christine for the children? That couldn't be done without a court order for support.

Do we really know this was done? Where is the order to attach his wages and the statement of appeal? All within 1 week? You truly believe that with the court system in Calif? :rolleyes:

[n/t]

I was just thinking about you and wondering if you knew. Good news, huh?

booo!! so good to see you. OMG! I have to read all the links! I can't believe the news. I am soooooo relieved. Wooohoo!

I just paged Shelby too. She'll be thrilled to know he's alive and well! :thumbsup:

[SilverDove]

You may or may not be talking to me but I'll address this anyway. Many of us here either have a missing person in our life or have had a missing person in our life. Some of us have had it work out okay and have been reunited, and others of us have not had it work out okay. I guess in my case, I got my loved one back and was at least able to bury him, so if you want to call mine a success story, so be it.

I think this gives many of us the liberty to feel and express whatever we want, as we've been there, done that. Do I need a place to log into and/or belong? You can't be serious with that question.

Well I have the same story but some of us learn compassion and understanding for others who wait. We know the sadness and mistakes that are so easy to make.

Other turn bitter and angry. At least now I understand why you have always appeared so angry and sorry this turned you so bitter.

[doradoll]

You are only posting from C's POV. There are 2 sides to every story and until we hear Nick's, I care not to judge what he did.

why not? Christine has been judged quite hard here. (and still is....amazing!)

what do you think his motive was to abandon his children? what justification is there for that?

[Starkist]

And exactly what do you think would make a valid reason to walk out on your pregnant wife and children. Cause the police and public to spend counts hours and who knows how much money just so he could take off?

Come on there were far better ways to do this and besides if he wanted he could have come and defended himself at any time.

I don't know sweetheart. I haven't yet asked my son's father his reason. However unlike you, it has not made me bitter nor judgemental towards every man I ever meet. Although I am not Christian like you and others claim to be, I do believe every man/woman deserves to tell their side.

[boo]

Well I have the same story but some of us learn compassion and understanding for others who wait. We know the sadness and mistakes that are so easy to make.

Other turn bitter and angry. At least now I understand why you have always appeared so angry and sorry this turned you so bitter.

Oh, I'm not bitter or angry at all. In fact, 25 years later and I still go to the Parole Hearings. I just went to San Quentin last week and asked that the man who murdered my brother, be let out. I forgave them (there were 2 of them) a long time ago and who am I to keep them in. Unfortunately, I was not heard and Arnold denied my request and put him in for another 3 years.

I don't have a bitter or angry bone in my body. Sorry. :smile:

[MystryPhobia]

Do we really know this was done? Where is the order to attach his wages and the statement of appeal? All within 1 week? You truly believe that with the court system in Calif? :rolleyes:

It was in the parenting plan that was filed with the divorce papers.

[cantstandnuts]

I know there is a thread for this case as I post there, but I doubt many go read it anymore.

http://www.b-townblog.com/2009/11/09/breaking-missing-man-nicholas-francisco-found-alive-in-another-state-living-under-a-new-name/comment-page-1/

http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle911/archives/184556.asp?from=blog_last3

'Missing' SeaTac man found alive and well out of state
Seattle Post Intelligencer - ‎50 minutes ago‎
Nicholas Francisco, the SeaTac man whose disappearance prompted a statewide investigation, has been found alive and well living out of state.


So, yeah ... he just walked away and never let anyone know he was alive and well :mad:

This disgust me. Truly! All this time and so many people looking for him! Wow!!

[boo]

Well I have the same story but some of us learn compassion and understanding for others who wait. We know the sadness and mistakes that are so easy to make.

Other turn bitter and angry. At least now I understand why you have always appeared so angry and sorry this turned you so bitter.

Also, you and I have talked many a time about your story as well and I know the circumstances on yours, too. I'm sorry your memory isn't so good.

[VenusFlyTrap]

Cool. I am so glad he has been found! No word on the "secret life" and his sexual proclivities.

Regarding the ex-wife and her threats to pursue a lawsuit. I hope she has a **very** good attorney, as no self-respecting lawyer I know would file, absent damages.

Great news, though.


You are very wrong in this thinking... it is happening quite often now. Look at the Anna Nicole case, a couple of Mods have already spent a few days in jail. Posters really need to be aware of what they are writing. I know of one site that has already had to pay lawyer fees for something posters said about a person that was not true. I know of another site that has had their membership list subpoenaed in order to get IP numbers to track posters down.

I actually hope Christine does pursue this... people should not be able to make the accusations about a person like they have done to Christine without proof to back them up. I hope the many that said the things about her on here are at least somewhat sorry.. but it really doesn't look that way. It's so easy to tear someone apart and then find out you were wrong, then just say 'oh well'...

[n/t]

I, for one am thrilled and relieved!!! :thumbsup:

I won't judge him. I've heard enough of one side. Let's hear the other side. Glad you're alive and safe Nicholas! YES!:thumbup:

[boo]

I don't know sweetheart. I haven't yet asked my son's father his reason. However unlike you, it has not made me bitter nor judgemental towards every man I ever meet. Although I am not Christian like you and others claim to be, I do believe every man/woman deserves to tell their side.

Amazing, ain't it?

[SilverDove]

I don't know sweetheart. I haven't yet asked my son's father his reason. However unlike you, it has not made me bitter nor judgemental towards every man I ever meet. Although I am not Christian like you and others claim to be, I do believe every man/woman deserves to tell their side.

Ahh I see you believe this is just a normal thing for men to do and that woman should just suck it up and pine over them when it happens.

Thanks for letting me know that. Most woman think men who have children own them and them mothers something better then just walking away when the going get tough.

I think you are mistaking me for one of the people who run bible verses in their sig.

[MystryPhobia]

I don't know sweetheart. I haven't yet asked my son's father his reason. However unlike you, it has not made me bitter nor judgemental towards every man I ever meet. Although I am not Christian like you and others claim to be, I do believe every man/woman deserves to tell their side.

Really? Every man and woman? Including Christine? Cause I didn't see that. I could be wrong.. I just don't remember ever seeing that.

I am really sorry that your son's father abandoned you and him. That is horrible.. and you are lucky that you didn't become bitter over it.

[Starkist]

I don't think that you have to judge him Starkist.. that is not the job of any of us.. or even Christine, for that matter. But.. I think it is okay to have a feeling or thought about it.

He isn't dead. She didn't kill him. He walked off and unless he has been tied up in someone's basement (which apparantly he hasn't) then he has been capable of calling his 6 year old daugther to tell her that he is okay.. and he didn't. That is tragic.. IMO.. and very hard to want to wait to hear "his side" of that.

Every man deserves to have his or her story heard. Whether we judge that person or their actions is all a matter of personal opinion. I know I would not like to be in either of Nick's or C's shoes although I have tried on C's for the past 29 years. I just never went public and caused all the commotion. I did my own investigating and found the man myself. I have yet to question him personally. It has to be a very bad place in one's life to compel you to leave your family, spouse and kids and try to never look back.

[aubrey04]

And exactly what do you think would make a valid reason to walk out on your pregnant wife and children. Cause the police and public to spend counts hours and who knows how much money just so he could take off?

Come on there were far better ways to do this and besides if he wanted he could have come and defended himself at any time.

ITA. If nothing else, he should have told Christine for the sake of the children.. I can't imagine what situation would justify what he did. Maybe he will man up and explain why he did it. All I know is the Christine should be thankful that he just ran off & didn't do a Scott Peterson/Mark Hacking/Stephen Grant -type deal..

Not saying he's capable, but spouses can get pretty evil when trying to get out of a relationship/child support,etc etc etc.

Glad he is alive, but what a rotten thing to do.. imo.

[Starkist]

Ahh I see you believe this is just a normal thing for men to do and that woman should just suck it up and pine over them when it happens.

Thanks for letting me know that. Most woman think men who have children own them and them mothers something better then just walking away when the going get tough.

I think you are mistaking me for one of the people who run bible verses in their sig.

HUH? Coherently repeat this please.

[boo]

Every man deserves to have his or her story heard. Whether we judge that person or their actions is all a matter of personal opinion. I know I would not like to be in either of Nick's or C's shoes although I have tried on C's for the past 29 years. I just never went public and caused all the commotion. I did my own investigating and found the man myself. I have yet to question him personally. It has to be a very bad place in one's life to compel you to leave your family, spouse and kids and try to never look back.

What a concept, Starkist. Quietly with dignity. I admire women like you. Then again, I'm bitter and angry. :laugh:

[Casspian]

This disgust me. Truly! All this time and so many people looking for him! Wow!!

I know, it is disgusting - I can't believe he didn't just say he wanted a different life and that he was leaving... and then just pay support for his children.

[boo]

ITA. If nothing else, he should have told Christine for the sake of the children.. I can't imagine what situation would justify what he did. Maybe he will man up and explain why he did it. All I know is the Christine should be thankful that he just ran off & didn't do a Scott Peterson/Mark Hacking/Stephen Grant -type deal..

Not saying he's capable, but spouses can get pretty evil when trying to get out of a relationship/child support,etc etc etc.

Glad he is alive, but what a rotten thing to do.. imo.

100% agreed, Aubrey. With that said, I'm sure he has something to say and when he says it, if he says it, then I'll judge him.

[Starkist]

ITA. If nothing else, he should have told Christine for the sake of the children.. I can't imagine what situation would justify what he did. Maybe he will man up and explain why he did it. All I know is the Christine should be thankful that he just ran off & didn't do a Scott Peterson/Mark Hacking/Stephen Grant -type deal..

Not saying he's capable, but spouses can get pretty evil when trying to get out of a relationship/child support,etc etc etc.

Glad he is alive, but what a rotten thing to do.. imo.

We don't know that didn't tell C, now do we? We only have her word and some of those words have not been altogether that truthful.

[Starkist]

Really? Every man and woman? Including Christine? Cause I didn't see that. I could be wrong.. I just don't remember ever seeing that.

I am really sorry that your son's father abandoned you and him. That is horrible.. and you are lucky that you didn't become bitter over it.

C has told her side for past year and a half.

Why be bitter? I got the best gift from him that no one else could ever have. His first born son. Life is sometimes a sink or swim situation. I myself chose to swim.

[MystryPhobia]

You are very wrong in this thinking... it is happening quite often now. Look at the Anna Nicole case, a couple of Mods have already spent a few days in jail. Posters really need to be aware of what they are writing. I know of one site that has already had to pay lawyer fees for something posters said about a person that was not true. I know of another site that has had their membership list subpoenaed in order to get IP numbers to track posters down.

I actually hope Christine does pursue this... people should not be able to make the accusations about a person like they have done to Christine without proof to back them up. I hope the many that said the things about her on here are at least somewhat sorry.. but it really doesn't look that way. It's so easy to tear someone apart and then find out you were wrong, then just say 'oh well'...

I think to a great extent.. the true character of some of the posters here and other places will show through in the next couple of days.. as this news sinks in.

The reality was that everyone involved in the case said that they just didn't know. There was no proof he was no longer living. There was no proof that he was alive. Nobody know. Even Christine said this.. yes, she came to believe that he walked away but she had no solid proof of this. So, the speculation was human nature. Now that he has been located.. it becomes a whole other thing. I do think some owe her an apology. I think others were very diplomatic in their wording and even though they may have thought he wasn't alive.. and she may know something about it.. they said it respectfully. Hopefully they can now admit that, at least some of what they said about Christine wasn't true and apologize. It might go a long way.

[boo]

Perhaps Miss Nancy will get in touch with Mr. Francisco and we can find out what it was that made him do what he did.

[threesnugbugs]

WOW! I am just shocked to read this. Glad he wasn't harmed, so sad for those HE harmed in the process though.

[SilverDove]

Perhaps Miss Nancy will get in touch with Mr. Francisco and we can find out what it was that made him do what he did.

LOL I can't see him doing this. There just isn't anything that he would be able to say that would have Miss Nancy tearing him apart. But I have to admit it would be great fun to see her go after him.

[Leanne Weich]

I'm so happy that Nicholas is alive. When he first went missing, I recounted the story of my late uncle who did the same thing because he was leading a secret life. For some reason, this case just seemed like the same situation. To be honest though, I've had many moments of doubt after reading here over the past 21 months. I think many posters made a good argument for the possibility of foul play.

I hope that Nicholas mans up now and makes up to his children what he's done to them. It's not going to be easy but it can be done and, in the case of his daughter, I do think it is imperative.

[kelloggirl]

A SeaTac man whose sudden disappearance last year sparked a law-enforcement search and widespread Internet speculation, is "alive and well" and living in another state under a new name, according to the King County Sheriff's Office....

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010237613_webfranciscofound10m.html


WOW!

BOMBSHELL!

I wasn't convinced either way whether he walked away or met with foul play, but while I am glad that he is alive, very sorry and sad for what Christine went through. My dad left my mom and I've seen the pain even a normal abandonment leaves behind, let alone one like this.

[RootBeer]

http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/11/09/2696380-nicolas-francisco-has-been-found

[SeattleEddie]

LOL You used self respecting and lawyer in the same sentence!

I do not think you have to prove damages in a defemation suit.. damages would be assumed.

I don't think it will be an easy case, if that is the route that she chooses to take. Precedence is set in courtrooms all over the country, daily tho. I can image alot of what has been said here and other places was extremely hurtful to Christine but I also think that many are very careful to not state things as fact and to say that it is their opinion and leave the reader with the ability to form their own opinion.

As for Nicholas being found.. I have to say that I am not surprised at all. The new name.. the hiding.. all that.. yeah, I think it needs to all sink in before I say much more.

Damages would be assumed? Sorry, this is not true. I don't know where you get this info. Damage is a required element of a defamation lawsuit. And of course, you know the threshold is higher for public, or quasi-public persons, and for items in the public interest.

[SeekingTruth]

There was no court order for child support and no one knows whether or not that was his reason for leaving, to avoid ever paying. I do agree though, the bald look is not a good one for him.

Yes actually there is a court order for child support. It's in my divorce papers.

[bugout]

Oh Wow this is great news, and great news for his children and their future. Until the details come out; if they ever do regarding the why's and the hows and what fors...All I can say is one thing: *no I lie*
Ten things lol!

I personally wanted to know the truth. I wanted for Nicholas to come forward, to clear his conscience, for himself, for his children and for whatever future life he has. To contaminate the rest of his life because he left a marriage is something that seldom happens. Especially the way he was dragged through the mud online.

I will also say that when people leave their lives it is usually for very good, sad reasons, usually that invovle SELF preservation. Until you've been in that situation you have to sit back, and thank your lucky stars for one and for two, not judge because you do not have reason to judge.

Nicholas is Alive. I can only say that no matter how painful this is/was for all of them, in the end there can only be good from Today forward.

I'm really happy to hear he is OK, he is Alive as I wasn't really willing to let the case go until I knew otherwise. Now we know!
I have a sigh of relief and tears because at least now the healing can begin for everyone in this case. Believe me when I say: Only good can come from the truth coming out.

I had been twitgooing NF's poster/photo for weeks now, in hopes that people would see it. Twitter is something that he used often and I'm sure still does. I wonder if he was really "found" living out of state, OR if he came fwd himself?

I read with dismay posts of "outting" him and what not. For Shame!

Hugs to Cheri for sticking with this story and case, in the end his children one day will thank him; because now there will be no more secrets.
You are only as sick as your secrets.

Bug
:rose: :rose: :w00t:

[Starkist]

Yes actually there is a court order for child support. It's in my divorce papers.

My mistake but I am holding to my other statements of belief.

[boo]

It is wonderful that he's been found for sure. Many of us were here from the beginning and are still here. Many of us remember the not so pretty things that were said about Nick, too. Remember, if "we" didn't find him, her children wouldn't have a father.

Again, she did not deserve that and at the risk of sounding bitter and angry again, had CF been more forthcoming and honest in the beginning, I'm sure she'd be seeing a lot more support right now. Shame on him for running away like that and shame on her for exploiting only the worst of him while he was missing.

[Starkist]

Damages would be assumed? Sorry, this is not true. I don't know where you get this info. Damage is a required element of a defamation lawsuit. And of course, you know the threshold is higher for public, or quasi-public persons, and for items in the public interest.

Exactly...what was damaged?

[Mr FATE]

It is wonderful that he's been found for sure. Many of us were here from the beginning and are still here. Many of us remember the not so pretty things that were said about Nick, too. Remember, if "we" didn't find him, her children wouldn't have a father.

Again, she did not deserve that and at the risk of sounding bitter and angry again, had CF been more forthcoming and honest in the beginning, I'm sure she'd be seeing a lot more support right now. Shame on him for running away like that and shame on her for exploiting only the worst of him while he was missing.

BBM
I wish you would give it a break and recognize who the victim is here. More honest about WHAT??? and will you hold Mr Free and Easy to the same standard? Me thinks Nicholas has an admirer.

:glare:

[Starkist]

BBM
I wish you would give it a break and recognize who the victim is here. More honest about WHAT??? and will you hold Mr Free and Easy to the same standard? Me thinks Nicholas has an admirer.

:glare:

Me thinks C has an admirer.... :tonguewag:

[boo]

BBM
I wish you would give it a break and recognize who the victim is here. More honest about WHAT??? and will you hold Mr Free and Easy to the same standard? Me thinks Nicholas has an admirer.

:glare:

Of course I will hold him to the same standard. No, I will hold him to a higher standard actually when I hear what he has to say.

Do you remember the "victim" in the early stages? Do you remember the victim stating that TES only searches in Texas? Do you remember when it was learned that TES was never notified? Me thinks C has an admirer.

[Mr FATE]

Me thinks C has an admirer.... :tonguewag:

ummm no - just able to acknowledge the facts...far as I know "C" didn't have secret bank accounts and if she did - they're still secret to the point she was almost bankrupt. no points for trying - :rolleyes:

such a shame when a person gets screwed - literally - and then at the end of the day is totally and completely vindicated and arm chair haters keep on keepin' on - personally I think some should turn of their machines as they look foolish and have lost most if not all credibility. just sayin'

but don't let me stop ya!!!

[Casspian]

BBM
I wish you would give it a break and recognize who the victim is here. More honest about WHAT??? and will you hold Mr Free and Easy to the same standard? Me thinks Nicholas has an admirer.

:glare:


Agree... but how can you admire a man who abandoned his children and deceived everyone. :confused: Christine, the kids, his family, the public, etc. are victims of his selfishness.

[Starkist]

I remember when the victim claimed she paid her mortgage, by means of donations from sympathetic donors, through May of 08 when public record clearly states the last payment ever made was in Feb of 08. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....

[boo]

I remember when the victim claimed she paid her mortgage through May of 08 when public record clearly states the last payment ever made was in Feb of 08. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....

I remember that and many more "facts". Too bad some are blinded by the real facts. Turn off their computer indeed. :wink:

[PerneciaJane]

Its good that he's alive and safe. The rest isn't so good. There's not much information currently but even so, I can't think of a single good excuse for Nick choosing to go this route. I'm surprised he managed to remain hidden for so long.

I think for the older children the next few weeks/months are going to be even harder on them than when Nick went missing. Knowing he's out there and they can't see him, not understanding why he left.

Cheri,
Seems a lot of folks on your message board owe CF a lot of apologies. MHO

[Mr FATE]

Agree... but how can you admire a man who abandoned his children and deceived everyone. :confused: Christine, the kids, his family, the public, etc. are victims of his selfishness.

perhaps you are :confused:

I do not admire Nicholas... I am very happy he is alive for the sake of his children only - and - in the sense they will have a chance to know him and perhaps he will change his ways...

knowing him AS he IS - will be of no benefit, but there is always the chance he can change and mean it.

alive is always better than dead

[PerneciaJane]

Cool. I am so glad he has been found! No word on the "secret life" and his sexual proclivities.

Regarding the ex-wife and her threats to pursue a lawsuit. I hope she has a **very** good attorney, as no self-respecting lawyer I know would file, absent damages.

Great news, though.


Personally I hope she does sue and I think she would win. Not just this forum but especially the corner forum.

[Mr FATE]

I remember when the victim claimed she paid her mortgage, by means of donations from sympathetic donors, through May of 08 when public record clearly states the last payment ever made was in Feb of 08. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....

so much to say here.

I personally only give to funds where I know the money will be spent. I have been telling folks this for years.

If you are unsure where the money will go and could be uncomfortable where the money could be allocated - just donate to TES for specific searches and endeavors.

During the Maddy McCann case- Gerry and Kate used donated monies to pay two mortgage payments and the stories there were heart breaking - such as the pensioner who forgoes the new shoes he needs to donate twenty pounds or the little girl that sold all her toys on e-bay to donate to the findmadeline fund.

if you do not want to donate to a fund where the monies could be use to feed kids or make sure that the power stays on - my suggestion is to donate to TES and to a specified search.

[Mr FATE]

Good nite all!

Prayers for Christine and her children and of course Nicholas, who may need the prayers more than anyone else.

my pleasure, as always - see you all again soon.

[Heidi J.]

I can't believe he is alive! While I never suspected foul play, and never felt he was dead, I surely hoped he didn't just walk out on his family like that..
I am just in awe of the people still bashing CF or those waiting to hear "his side".:confused: What excuse could he have possibly had that you would excuse for him walking out on his kids? GMAB.. NF walked out on his family in a very ceremonious way. Leaving a pregnant wife at home with 2 small children and LE wasting man hours to search for him. At any time he could have manned up, and come forward to at least let LE know he was alive. Instead he carried on this little charade of his..

:mad:
JMO

[Postergeist]

wow! I'll have to check all the news links, unless someone is willing to give me clif notes as to how or who discovered finding him.

gotta call from my friend when I was out of the house and she told me the news.

I was aware that the talk online had been he was living in San Diego, then the whole cleaning business angle, but nothing seemed concrete.

I'm glad he wasn't killed or committed suicide, but it is sad to know that a person can just abandon their spouse, children, pets, parents and siblings, etc. without a word.

I know that people will say they stopped loving their spouses, bf/gf/SO's and can have bad blood with parents and siblings- but who can stop loving their children and their pets??

Mental illness? Psychotic break?

Now he can be accountable to financially be responsible for his children.

[doradoll]

Oh Wow this is great news, and great news for his children and their future. Until the details come out; if they ever do regarding the why's and the hows and what fors...All I can say is one thing: *no I lie*
Ten things lol!

I personally wanted to know the truth. I wanted for Nicholas to come forward, to clear his conscience, for himself, for his children and for whatever future life he has. To contaminate the rest of his life because he left a marriage is something that seldom happens. Especially the way he was dragged through the mud online.

I will also say that when people leave their lives it is usually for very good, sad reasons, usually that invovle SELF preservation. Until you've been in that situation you have to sit back, and thank your lucky stars for one and for two, not judge because you do not have reason to judge.

Nicholas is Alive. I can only say that no matter how painful this is/was for all of them, in the end there can only be good from Today forward.

I'm really happy to hear he is OK, he is Alive as I wasn't really willing to let the case go until I knew otherwise. Now we know!
I have a sigh of relief and tears because at least now the healing can begin for everyone in this case. Believe me when I say: Only good can come from the truth coming out.

I had been twitgooing NF's poster/photo for weeks now, in hopes that people would see it. Twitter is something that he used often and I'm sure still does. I wonder if he was really "found" living out of state, OR if he came fwd himself?

I read with dismay posts of "outting" him and what not. For Shame!

Hugs to Cheri for sticking with this story and case, in the end his children one day will thank him; because now there will be no more secrets.
You are only as sick as your secrets.

Bug
:rose: :rose: :w00t:

THANK HIM? omg. Thank you daddy for letting us think you were dead and then having us hunt you down like a missing dog to have you be forced by the court to do what is right.

I think the truth is coming out on this board all over the place.

[Stellagant]

And exactly what do you think would make a valid reason to walk out on your pregnant wife and children. Cause the police and public to spend counts hours and who knows how much money just so he could take off?

Come on there were far better ways to do this and besides if he wanted he could have come and defended himself at any time.

Safety is one good reason. He not only left his family, he left a good job and he changed his name. There is more to this story than we've been told.

[Casspian]

perhaps you are :confused:

I do not admire Nicholas... I am very happy he is alive for the sake of his children only - and - in the sense they will have a chance to know him and perhaps he will change his ways...

knowing him AS he IS - will be of no benefit, but there is always the chance he can change and mean it.

alive is always better than dead

Oh, I am so sorry... my post was just poorly worded. That statement was not directed at you. I am glad you are posting here.

[Stellagant]

I can't believe he is alive! While I never suspected foul play, and never felt he was dead, I surely hoped he didn't just walk out on his family like that..
I am just in awe of the people still bashing CF or those waiting to hear "his side".:confused: What excuse could he have possibly had that you would excuse for him walking out on his kids? GMAB.. NF walked out on his family in a very ceremonious way. Leaving a pregnant wife at home with 2 small children and LE wasting man hours to search for him. At any time he could have manned up, and come forward to at least let LE know he was alive. Instead he carried on this little charade of his..

:mad:
JMO

While you never suspected foul play, his wife certainly did and that is why cops launched such an intensive search. Why is it a leap to believe the reason he disappeared was to avoid becoming a victim of foul play?

[need2no]

Safety is one good reason. He not only left his family, he left a good job and he changed his name. There is more to this story than we've been told.

Ahhhh, refreshing to read someone else who doesn't get taken in when only hearing one side of a story.

[Casspian]

THANK HIM? omg. Thank you daddy for letting us think you were dead and then having us hunt you down like a missing dog to have you be forced by the court to do what is right.

I think the truth is coming out on this board all over the place.

Yeah, some posts appear a little twisted here ... I figured they would at least have the good grace to just keep quiet, but somehow this is still Christine's fault. I thought that was cruel before, but now we know for certain Nicholas up and left.

[Heidi J.]

While you never suspected foul play, his wife certainly did and that is why cops launched such an intensive search. Why is it a leap to believe the reason he disappeared was to avoid becoming a victim of foul play?

Well.. what would you think if your husband suddenly disappeared? So now it's her fault she suspected that?:blink: Okay so if he left to avoid foul play.. He couldn't let someone know for 21 months:confused:Hmmm.. He would still be missing had he not been found. It has not been said that he came forth, just that he was found.

Not buying it..

[SilverDove]

Ahhhh, refreshing to read someone else who doesn't get taken in when only hearing one side of a story.

Yes poor sweet misunderstood Nicholas. So sad that everyone thinks he is a dog. Then again he could have defended himself any time he want but still people are busy trying to see him as the good guy. If he is a good guy let him tell us himself.

Not like he doesn't have a voice if he wanted to use it.

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Why do you care so much about if he IS a good guy or not? what's your beef anyway? He is Alive, case Closed!

Why he left, hey many people leave their lovers, their wives, and some people leave their families without a trace this happens daily in our world.

It seems to me there is only one person here mad that NF is alive and not dead and that is you. People are persecuting him online; they have been since this case began.

Believe me it is a very painful decision to make, to leave your life as you know it. Who that hurts in the process isn't of utmost importance when one is dying inside or suffocating or living a lie or living an unfulfilled life.

Not everyone has the skills to address their lives and it's easier to run.
Obviously Nicholas was running away from a lot of issues in his life. Could have been Mars Hills and their absurd beliefs. Could have been a repressed life at home or an unfulfilled one. Could have been he was just too young and immature to deal with things in an adult manner.

I'm sure now that his case is closed and no charges are being filed against him; he can breathe a sigh of relief. He has work to do and CS to pay. For 3 children and that will be rough. I do think he will step up the to challenge, based on all we were told about him. He worked for almost 7 yrs, was promoted and had/has a lot of talent.

It would be great if now people would stop attacking him online, or his motives because we just don't know what they are. And I have a feeling, that he is suffering terribly for his decision. There isn't any way he couldn't be. What people show on the outside isn't often who we really are on the inside.

Because i know how painful it is to lose someone in this way; it's easier for me to see this situation for what it really is. You have to take all things into account. If you were in a situation; a marriage and you were drowning, you might up and leave too. You just never know.

In order, to save yourself.

Bug :rose: :rose:

[SilverDove]

:rose::rose::rose: For the real victim of this whole thing. Christine and her children.

[Casspian]

HE is NOT a good guy ... I think that is apparent and no word shifting is going to change that. He is not a hero for having worked 7 years, he's lucky he has 3 beautiful, healthy children. Obviously, he doesn't care about that. He even had some sob hardship story for having less wages garnished. How difficult is it for a single man with no other responsibilities than to pay for support? He didn't even have to go through the work of filing the paperwork for a divorce, that was left for Christine to do also.

.... not buying the POOR NICHOLAS Story

[SeattleEddie]

Why do you care so much about if he IS a good guy or not? what's your beef anyway? He is Alive, case Closed!

Why he left, hey many people leave their lovers, their wives, and some people leave their families without a trace this happens daily in our world.

It seems to me there is only one person here mad that NF is alive and not dead and that is you. People are persecuting him online; they have been since this case began.

Believe me it is a very painful decision to make, to leave your life as you know it. Who that hurts in the process isn't of utmost importance when one is dying inside or suffocating or living a lie or living an unfulfilled life.

Not everyone has the skills to address their lives and it's easier to run.
Obviously Nicholas was running away from a lot of issues in his life. Could have been Mars Hills and their absurd beliefs. Could have been a repressed life at home or an unfulfilled one. Could have been he was just too young and immature to deal with things in an adult manner.

I'm sure now that his case is closed and no charges are being filed against him; he can breathe a sigh of relief. He has work to do and CS to pay. For 3 children and that will be rough. I do think he will step up the to challenge, based on all we were told about him. He worked for almost 7 yrs, was promoted and had/has a lot of talent.

It would be great if now people would stop attacking him online, or his motives because we just don't know what they are. And I have a feeling, that he is suffering terribly for his decision. There isn't any way he couldn't be. What people show on the outside isn't often who we really are on the inside.

Because i know how painful it is to lose someone in this way; it's easier for me to see this situation for what it really is. You have to take all things into account. If you were in a situation; a marriage and you were drowning, you might up and leave too. You just never know.

In order, to save yourself.

Bug :rose: :rose:

Amen, sister. Well said.

I understand the mother's statement now. What a sight to see the buzzards come in for the kill.

[Postergeist]

As I wanted to perform "shaken lady syndrome" on C to get to the truth, now I want to perform "shaken found man syndrome" on Nick. He's had so many opportunities to go to someone and let them know he was ok and clear up this whole mess. That pic looks like this has aged him quite a few years...he does not look like a man enjoying his departure.

have to say, looking at his recent pic I would've never thought that was Nick. In all the previous pics of him I've seen at sites, he appeared to have a narrow slim face and head...this pic of him, with more weight on his face looks very oval. IRRC, he was a runner/jogger in his 'previous life' so maybe that explained his leaner appearance.

I've at least caught up with all the news links posted here-

a big thank you to Cury and Brattnt and all the rest that brought our forum the news links!

:thumbup:

[SeekingTruth]

I would like to say thank you to all who have come to my defense on this board and others. You are all uniques :biggrin:

[MystryPhobia]

Damages would be assumed? Sorry, this is not true. I don't know where you get this info. Damage is a required element of a defamation lawsuit. And of course, you know the threshold is higher for public, or quasi-public persons, and for items in the public interest.

The damages are presumed.. sorry.. I mistyped. If you prove the defamation then damages are presumed. You DO NOT have to testify that the defamation caused you emotional distress or that you required psychiatric care.. etc.

[SilverDove]

Amen, sister. Well said.

I understand the mother's statement now. What a sight to see the buzzards come in for the kill.

Ya I guess some of us who were looking for a live Nicholas for the last 22 months while others were scream it was fine to persecute Christine because she could defend herself are finding it nice to be proved right.

All this time while people were defending Nicholas he was perfectly able to do it for himself but he was happier hiding from his responsibilities, but hey now that he is found maybe you can all get together and get donations for him since I hear having to pay child support is really making it hard for him.

I'm sorry but he seemed to be quite well enough to find a new job, change his name and never bother to let anyone know he was okay. I guess some people find this acceptable behavior from a married man but most people find it unacceptable.

[Postergeist]

Yes actually there is a court order for child support. It's in my divorce papers.

Hello- I've finished reading the last posts on the previous thread and have a question-

Since Nick gave you the pet name of "Bella"- now that you know he did walk away and abandon you and your family, does that name bother you now to use it, or do you still use it?

[Musterion]

Hello everyone,

I heard the news and I have read Christine's post.

In response to that post, in response to you Christine I want to say that I am incredibly sorry for your pain. I am tremendously sorry, especially sorry, for the pain your children, especially Zea have endured.

You are hurt and angry and that is evident. No one could blame you for these emotions.

But, you are also a religious woman by your own admission. You have an opportunity to walk the very narrow path that your religion encourages and be an example and testimony of what the beliefs of Christianity encompass. That is forgiveness. It is not retaliating when insults are thrown at you, it is making no threats at those who are hurting you. It is praying for your enemies, it is blessing those who curse you. Not repaying evil with evil. Forgiving so that you will be forgiven.

It is the hardest road to walk. Nearly impossible. I understand that. But, who will get the glory? That is worth it, eternally.

IMO.
M.

[VC2]

I would like to say thank you to all who have come to my defense on this board and others. You are all uniques :biggrin:

I think you will find that as more information comes in apart from a very few, most realize you are the victim. What you should or should not have said moot, Nicholas is the one who left you in the lurch and more importantly his children in the lurch. I don't blame you for being angry, and angry at the attacks against you. Just realize that if it had been you that diseappeared most of the posters would have been all over your husband as a murdere. Of course that wouldn't make sense bc no parent would leave their little children behind with someone so unstable they believe they can commit murder.

Have you managed to have contact with him or explained it to the kids yet?

[Casspian]

I would like to say thank you to all who have come to my defense on this board and others. You are all uniques :biggrin:


- ignore the posts that are still negative and weird they could be space aliens or something :w00t:

[SilverDove]

Hello everyone,

I heard the news and I have read Christine's post.

In response to that post, in response to you Christine I want to say that I am incredibly sorry for your pain. I am tremendously sorry, especially sorry, for the pain your children, especially Zea have endured.

You are hurt and angry and that is evident. No one could blame you for these emotions.

But, you are also a religious woman by your own admission. You have an opportunity to walk the very narrow path that your religion encourages and be an example and testimony of what the beliefs of Christianity encompass. That is forgiveness. It is not retaliating when insults are thrown at you, it is making no threats at those who are hurting you. It is praying for your enemies, it is blessing those who curse you. Not repaying evil with evil. Forgiving so that you will be forgiven.

It is the hardest road to walk. Nearly impossible. I understand that. But, who will get the glory? That is worth it, eternally.

IMO.
M.

OMG after everything you have said and done this is what you have to say. I just can't believe this. This is the kind of thing that makes me want to run as far as possible from anything christian.

[Casspian]

Hello everyone,

I heard the news and I have read Christine's post.

In response to that post, in response to you Christine I want to say that I am incredibly sorry for your pain. I am tremendously sorry, especially sorry, for the pain your children, especially Zea have endured.

You are hurt and angry and that is evident. No one could blame you for these emotions.

But, you are also a religious woman by your own admission. You have an opportunity to walk the very narrow path that your religion encourages and be an example and testimony of what the beliefs of Christianity encompass. That is forgiveness. It is not retaliating when insults are thrown at you, it is making no threats at those who are hurting you. It is praying for your enemies, it is blessing those who curse you. Not repaying evil with evil. Forgiving so that you will be forgiven.

It is the hardest road to walk. Nearly impossible. I understand that. But, who will get the glory? That is worth it, eternally.

IMO.
M.

Odd, as you were posting this recently about Christine, I believe.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=13624803&postcount=452

[Postergeist]

wondering here, since I have not seen this brought up today in the forum-

can someone now be able to get the reward money for info that led LE to find him?

Unless his discovery was soley down by LE and not by any civilian.

[doradoll]

I would like to say thank you to all who have come to my defense on this board and others. You are all uniques :biggrin:

I actually don't know how you held your composure as much as you did! Geez. Good Luck. I hope you don't end up wishing he would have just stayed hidden. But, I know you had to know.

:rose: I wish the best for you and your children.

[Musterion]

Odd, as you were posting this recently about Christine, I believe.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=13624803&postcount=452

And?

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

OMG after everything you have said and done this is what you have to say. I just can't believe this. This is the kind of thing that makes me want to run as far as possible from anything christian.

I'm sorry you feel that way, SD.

I stand by what I've said.

IMO.
M.

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I agree with M, that forgiveness will be the only answer for any woman scorned.

I don't believe that any religious person I know, would harbor such hatred and resentment, especially after marrying another....

Marrying someone doesn't mean that you give up your life for another person, especially if you realize somewhere along that road, that you've made a mistake and have to "get out".

Remember, this couple was in their 20s and I don't want to have to remind any one to examine their own past at this age :D

Hugs to M and Seattle Eddie and so many that were really helpful in looking for NF. I know that on weekends I put out his poster online to reach as many people as I could. And believe me I had mixed feelings about doing so; every single time. It's easy to disappear, and if someone is that miserable in their life that leaving in this way is their only out, or it's in their head it's their only out...it's a very painful thing to go through.

I see no reason why any one would "persecute" either party in this case. Divorce cases and custody cases can be the most hurtful nasty cases you've ever seen. Sadly, this I know is true. It's hurtful to hear there is no joy for some in finding out Nicholas is Alive. That is sad.
The father of her children is alive. Their Daddy is Alive!!
I find it hard to read that he is "dark and evil" and will hold to my beliefs that religion may have been a driving factor to leaving the way he Did. Especially in the case of MH cult like way of thinking when it comes to keeping women barefoot and pregnant and quiet, in the home. (huge thumbs down)

[Pinewood1793]

OMG Christine I am so happy for you that now you will get vindication. Have you talked to him at all? Did he tell you anything to explain? I don't know how you can be so brave through all this. If I find out my husband is keeping secrets from me besides my Christmas present he better start running now.

[Postergeist]

well- I sure thought this breaking news would be generating a lot of posts on the other mbs that carried this case...and surprisingly they are not. I just checked at WS, as well as *the site that can't be named here* and there are just a few posts there.

I'll go back and read all the comments left at some of the links provided here earlier today.

[Postergeist]

Hello- I've finished reading the last posts on the previous thread and have a question-

Since Nick gave you the pet name of "Bella"- now that you know he did walk away and abandon you and your family, does that name bother you now to use it, or do you still use it?

even though this question wasn't answered here, I did find the answer by reading at WS and the link provided.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4409869&postcount=243

[atata tat]

Hi everyone,

I've been following this story since Nicholas went missing. Its amazing watching the different boards and personalities and the character that some people have. Humility is a very important aspect of life we so often miss. It is our very nature to have the last word or to be right. I fight this often as my pride says I am right, I rarely am... am but a fool.

Personally, I find the best perspective when I step back from myself. View the situation from all perspectives my 3lb brain can fathom. Then I pray and try to put situations in Gods hands. He will judge all so I don't have to. I admire the work of true detectives that have uncovered this truth. They want to find the truth.

I've had my heart crushed as many of you have by loosing someone to a crime, lies or deception. The wounds will not disappear and will likely turn into scars.

I pray for all of you, that you find a continued peace, be able to finally sleep through the night, inhail and exhail and find real rest. Be still.

I also pray that you use your words wisely. Not only toward each other, but to all people. You never know what they are going through. Words, are like a ships rudder. Steering the ship into the blue sea or the rocky shores. How are you using your words?

Nicholas, is he perfect? No. Will he be judged. Yes.
Christine, Is she perfect? No. Will she be judged. Yes.
You, Are you perfect? You will be judged according to how you judge.

I'm Glad that Nicholas has been found. I'm glad he is alive. I too am very disturbed by his actions. They WILL be brought to light.

Time will reveal the truth. What will we do with our words till then?

[Musterion]

Thanks, Bug.

I, too, am relieved that Nicholas is alive.

From the beginning, many of us, tried to say that 'based on the information that we knew, confirmed information' it was likely Nicholas was dead.

Many of us tried to say that 'if and when' any new information came out it could change our views.

This is a crime board. It is to discuss all aspects of missing person's or unsolved murders, abductions, etc. IMO, many have overlooked that and tried to reconstruct this board into something else.

I gave Christine the benefit of the doubt until I saw things that were, and frankly still are, questionable. I will still give Nicholas the benefit of the doubt, just as I did with Christine, until I hear what happened to him. I won't jump on the bandwagon of those who are tearing him apart, many of them the same people who did not like when they felt Christine was being torn apart. They cannot see their inconsistencies, IMO. Many of us are blamed for not knowing all the facts of Christine's actions and behaviours and basing opinions without those facts in entirety. Now, we are to dismiss Nicholas' actions and behaviours without knowing all the facts? It makes little to no sense to me. What is this standard?

Nicholas is alive. It doesn't change much in some ways. There are still unanswered questions. There are still inconsistencies. And all of those do not lie within Nicholas.

IMO.
M.

[2Hope4]

:thumbsup: Oh what wonderful news! I"m so glad he is alive and well! Also glad to hear that the investigation kept going, even though we thought they had all forgotten him. WONDERFUL NEWS!

Now, I wish we'd hear WHY he left. Though I guess we'll never know, and perhaps was very personal and none of our business.


Be Well Nicholas!

[annalyzer]

From the beginning, many of us, tried to say that 'based on the information that we knew, confirmed information' it was likely Nicholas was dead.

M.

I haven't followed this case closely but what information was that? I always believed he had took off voluntarily.

[Postergeist]

well, so far this seems to be the only big board that has 2 new members join today to discuss the NF case, one prior to the news of his being found and now this most recent new member.

Which makes me wonder, will this new discovery in the case be brought up at the MH churches in WA this Sunday, or Wed. or whenever they gather for their worship and fellowship?

Since Christianity has definitely been part of this once family and is a common theme with many posts today, and it was reported early on the former Francisco family had resigned from their church shortly before his ran off- and there have been MHC members that have posted off and on over the past year here- maybe they will weigh in with what their pastors addressed next week.

Although, there have been many posts made over the past year as well as to the WS and their members, etc. so possibly when they have their next gathering, someone will be posting about discussions on today's news.

NG did not cover today's "bombshell news" on her show tonight.

[SilverDove]

Thanks, Bug.

I, too, am relieved that Nicholas is alive.

From the beginning, many of us, tried to say that 'based on the information that we knew, confirmed information' it was likely Nicholas was dead.

Many of us tried to say that 'if and when' any new information came out it could change our views.

This is a crime board. It is to discuss all aspects of missing person's or unsolved murders, abductions, etc. IMO, many have overlooked that and tried to reconstruct this board into something else.

I gave Christine the benefit of the doubt until I saw things that were, and frankly still are, questionable. I will still give Nicholas the benefit of the doubt, just as I did with Christine, until I hear what happened to him. I won't jump on the bandwagon of those who are tearing him apart, many of them the same people who did not like when they felt Christine was being torn apart. They cannot see their inconsistencies, IMO. Many of us are blamed for not knowing all the facts of Christine's actions and behaviours and basing opinions without those facts in entirety. Now, we are to dismiss Nicholas' actions and behaviours without knowing all the facts? It makes little to no sense to me. What is this standard?

Nicholas is alive. It doesn't change much in some ways. There are still unanswered questions. There are still inconsistencies. And all of those do not lie within Nicholas.

IMO.
M.

Funny you were so sure from the information that he was dead I was always sure that he was alive and the police even said that with what they had found they leaned more toward him having walked.

So since you "believe" he was dead it was okay to go after every detail of Christine's life but now some how we are suppose to show our softer kinder side for Nicolas? I think I will save that for the real victims of Nicholas' selfishness, Christine and her children. The woman who has been persecuted because of Nicholas actions.

You never would have had her to gossip about if it wasn't for the fact that Nicolas left her like some dog. Crime board or no you were wrong.

[Pinewood1793]

Why can't everyone leave Christine alone? I know what she is going through and I have to find a way now to comfront my own husband. I never would have dreamed he was doing anything nasty but because Christine was so brave to come forward I have been able to gather enough courage to investigate my husband's computer usage. I have been crying all afternoon from what I found. You should all be happy you do not have to deal with this kinda torture!

[Musterion]

Funny you were so sure from the information that he was dead I was always sure that he was alive and the police even said that with what they had found they leaned more toward him having walked.

So since you "believe" he was dead it was okay to go after every detail of Christine's life but now some how we are suppose to show our softer kinder side for Nicolas? I think I will save that for the real victims of Nicholas' selfishness, Christine and her children. The woman who has been persecuted because of Nicholas actions.

You never would have had her to gossip about if it wasn't for the fact that Nicolas left her like some dog. Crime board or no you were wrong.

I don't believe LE ever said they leaned that Nicholas walked. I'd like to see that quote.

This is a crime board. If Christine had gone missing we would have discussed every aspect of Nicholas' life and actions and behaviours.

I am not asking you to be softer or kinder. I have always tried to show you respect no matter what you have said to me or how you have said it or even now with how you are speaking to me. I will continue to do that.

IMO.
M.

[Postergeist]

<snipped>

<snipped by me, took link out for the slog site>

*thud*

oh my- just finished reading the comments there and it made my hair curl!

Well for the newbies here that need to defend CFC, there's a whole 'nother place for them to sign up and post on...as well as those that defend NF- wow it's pretty harsh over there towards both parties.

imo

[need2no]

I don't believe LE ever said they leaned that Nicholas walked. I'd like to see that quote.

This is a crime board. If Christine had gone missing we would have discussed every aspect of Nicholas' life and actions and behaviours.

I am not asking you to be softer or kinder. I have always tried to show you respect no matter what you have said to me or how you have said it or even now with how you are speaking to me. I will continue to do that.

IMO.
M.

I agree wholeheartedly M, and I truly admire your patience.

[Postergeist]

So now that he has been found alive and living with someone just like I always said I think we can drop the games about how cool he is and all the no evidence don't you?

color added by me

after reading all the news links and most of the comments left at the sites that had comments, this was one thing I haven't seen yet.

Can you point me to the link/post/comment that he has been found

"living with someone"?

tia

(while he certainly needed help/$ leaving the area and getting to CA, the person/s that may have helped him may not be the same person/s he may be with at his new location. And that whole deal with Viliamu Fale that skipped on 2/14 (and later found) that had the Costco connection made me wonder about that...however, NF may have just as well left with someone he met online from etsy for that matter)


imo

[Starkist]

SD has a way of making things up or seeing things that just are not there. I have read every news story and nowhere did it say he was living with anyone. However, I can't imagine he did this on his own with no mode of transportation, no obvious cash or credit cards and not knowing anyone (allegedly not) here in Calif. I somehow think the siting of him at that storage place was in fact Nick and quite possibly where he may have had his get away gear stored and quite possibly a second vehicle. Just way too coincidental, IMO that Viliamu worked at the same Costco Nick was supposed to go to and also turned up missing the following day.

[SilverDove]

color added by me

after reading all the news links and most of the comments left at the sites that had comments, this was one thing I haven't seen yet.

Can you point me to the link/post/comment that he has been found

"living with someone"?

tia

(while he certainly needed help/$ leaving the area and getting to CA, the person/s that may have helped him may not be the same person/s he may be with at his new location. And that whole deal with Viliamu Fale that skipped on 2/14 (and later found) that had the Costco connection made me wonder about that...however, NF may have just as well left with someone he met online from etsy for that matter)


imo

Miss typed but may have got stuck in my head because I though I heard it on the radio. Wasn't able to find any article that said it though. Still if I was going to bet on this I would bet he is living with someone but that is just speculation like when I thought he walked away and that he would move to Calif. Mostly from the fact he left the night before Valentines day.

ETA Yes that was posted before I had read anything just what I heard on the radio which I thought said he was living with someone in another state.

[Starkist]

Maybe he came here to help OJ find the real killers too!

[SilverDove]

SD has a way of making things up or seeing things that just are not there. I have read every news story and nowhere did it say he was living with anyone. However, I can't imagine he did this on his own with no mode of transportation, no obvious cash or credit cards and not knowing anyone (allegedly not) here in Calif. I somehow think the siting of him at that storage place was in fact Nick and quite possibly where he may have had his get away gear stored and quite possibly a second vehicle. Just way too coincidental, IMO that Viliamu worked at the same Costco Nick was supposed to go to and also turned up missing the following day.

Oh yes one of my favorite no evidence but somehow Viliamu and Nicholas are linked because Viliamu's wife worked in the Cosco that Nicholas was going to to buy sugar. BTW it was Viliamu's wife that worked in the Costco not viliamu. Also it was never proved that Nicholas when to the storage unit. Also I though some people were saying there was no proof that Nicholas was going to buy sugar or bake cookies.

Starkist also has a way of making up things or seeing things that aren't there.:rolleyes:

She also likes making total nonsense comments just to see herself post.

[aproudmom]

I've always felt he was alive and well. I think it was a cowardly act and demonstrated a lack of respect for his wife, as well as abandonment and irresponsible neglect of his children and the emotional fallout his "disappearance" caused.

ITA with everything you said and how sad he did this to his wife and children.:thumbdown:

[Starkist]

Oh yes one of my favorite no evidence but somehow Viliamu and Nicholas are linked because Viliamu's wife worked in the Cosco that Nicholas was going to to buy sugar. BTW it was Viliamu's wife that worked in the Costco not viliamu. Also it was never proved that Nicholas when to the storage unit. Also I though some people were saying there was no proof that Nicholas was going to buy sugar or bake cookies.

Starkist also has a way of making up things or seeing things that aren't there.:rolleyes:

She also likes making total nonsense comments just to see herself post.

HUH? Can you type that again with some coherent verbiage please?

[BobbisAngel]

I have to admit I'm appalled by some of the comments here, and no - I'm not naming names.

I truly wonder why some even follow these cases. Is it just so that you have a place to say you belong? to have a place to "log-on"? Is it to see the misery on someone face? to see the heart break? to just post childish comments?

Today should be a day of semi-jubilation for people who truly care about missing persons. Someone was actually found alive, (and yes, I knew it was just a matter of time) but none the less, why are some giving Christine a hardtime? She's the victim here, and so are her children. I really shouldn't even have to say all this, you all know that's the truth and the facts.

As for the words that Christine posted that some don't like - imagine the vindication she must feel. Accused by so many of so much. Try to see her side and take off your myopic glasses.

Nichloas may be a male, but he's no man and I bet he's read here and other sites all the time. He needs to grow up and find his way in life too.

There isn't one person on these boards that hasn't made mistakes in their own personal life - try to remember that people are only human and hopefully you are here for the right reasons and not to harm someone who is hurting - and yes, I know that the vast majority are here for the right reasons.

I hope that the healing can begin, that Nicholas owns up to his mistakes and he and Christine are able to find a way to make it all work for the sake of their kids. Time heals most wounds, but not all.

Just remember there are many people out there that are truly searching for someone they love and cherish - and they are in pain not knowing where they are or what became of them.

One woman's pain was very apparent in this case.



You are so right. I think some people just live to downgrade others and that is really a shame. My heart has always been with Christine and her babies and I've always believed that Nick took off. Cowards take off like that and never look back. I'm glad he was found and that now he will have to support his children,

Where are some getting the idea that Christine has a boyfriend? I didn't read that in her letter to the forum. I hope she does though and I hope he is wonderful to her and the little kids. She's divorced and free to meet someone. Bless all of them.

[SeattleEddie]

The damages are presumed.. sorry.. I mistyped. If you prove the defamation then damages are presumed. You DO NOT have to testify that the defamation caused you emotional distress or that you required psychiatric care.. etc.

I'm sorry but this is just not true. Damages are presumed only in per se cases, and not all states recognize defamation per se. A number of federal rulings over the past 35 years have definitely stated that damages may not be presumed, so the law is clearly not settled. I certainly wouldn't count on it as the basis for a suit, i.e. I wouldn't walk into a courtroom with a defamation lawsuit without the ability to show damages.

Never mind the fact that opinions are constitutionally protected.

[SeattleEddie]

You are so right. I think some people just live to downgrade others and that is really a shame. My heart has always been with Christine and her babies and I've always believed that Nick took off. Cowards take off like that and never look back. I'm glad he was found and that now he will have to support his children,

Where are some getting the idea that Christine has a boyfriend? I didn't read that in her letter to the forum. I hope she does though and I hope he is wonderful to her and the little kids. She's divorced and free to meet someone. Bless all of them.

She's married.

[SilverDove]

HUH? Can you type that again with some coherent verbiage please?

You have always made it clear that you can't read. Unless it is something negative about Christine.

But hey now that Nicky knows that he is living so close to you maybe he will ring you up. He may need a place to stay after paying all that child support. Your heart can again race ever time your cell phone rings with a number you don't know.

[Postergeist]

Miss typed but may have got stuck in my head because I though I heard it on the radio. Wasn't able to find any article that said it though. Still if I was going to bet on this I would bet he is living with someone but that is just speculation like when I thought he walked away and that he would move to Calif. Mostly from the fact he left the night before Valentines day.

ETA Yes that was posted before I had read anything just what I heard on the radio which I thought said he was living with someone in another state.

okay, thanks SD- I'm not local, but I can understand if hearing local news coverage, some things get said that don't make it to news site links.

I've been reading around for any new posts out there- and see that the family friend "Mike" aka "Mikesta" at his site (link on links thread) posted earlier tonight that CFC was to speak to "media" tonight and to "stay tuned".

Also that etsy does have a thread up with the latest news, there are still several out there I haven't checked yet.

So- did the local news get an interview earlier with CFC, do you know?

There's always the possibility that people in his circle at his new location don't know him as NF, and since his appearance has changed, wouldn't even know about a story of a MP out of WA to begin with.

I of course, am interested in if he ever had a scintilla of contact with his parents/sisters.

I would think it would be very difficult to keep someone else's secret if there were children involved.

I've often wondered when Nick went "missing" from his family, if his parental family "went missing" from his children's lives or if they were shut out of their lives or if they still had continued on as before, because perhaps there is more than just Nick to say "how could you?!" to.

imo

[Starkist]

You have always made it clear that you can't read. Unless it is something negative about Christine.

But hey now that Nicky knows that he is living so close to you maybe he will ring you up. He may need a place to stay after paying all that child support. Your heart can again race ever time your cell phone rings with a number you don't know.

Can I borrow your low cut red dress and 6 inch stillettos for when he comes over?? Please oh please?? :biggrin:

[Postergeist]

She's married.

Yes she is remarried.

I hope BA will have time read back, I think it's been public knowledge for quite some time, posted here and many places on the internet, came across several this evening while reading around and it's mentioned on C's photo site.

[Postergeist]

tap, tap- whewff, is this thing on?

well, going back thru all my links and the YH site has posted a pic (and IS sure gets linked to lots of forums out there! lol) and a "francisco" has posted there.

I would not be able to discern that it is NF in the photo with the tub and tatts.

[Starkist]

tap, tap- whewff, is this thing on?

well, going back thru all my links and the YH site has posted a pic (and IS sure gets linked to lots of forums out there! lol) and a "francisco" has posted there.

I would not be able to discern that it is NF in the photo with the tub and tatts.

Francisco on YH has claimed to be C and I highly doubt that is Nick in the tub pic. The noses and ears do not match. I could find about a dozen guys in my own neighborhood that look like either one of those guys.

[SeattleEddie]

Ya I guess some of us who were looking for a live Nicholas for the last 22 months while others were scream it was fine to persecute Christine because she could defend herself are finding it nice to be proved right.

All this time while people were defending Nicholas he was perfectly able to do it for himself but he was happier hiding from his responsibilities, but hey now that he is found maybe you can all get together and get donations for him since I hear having to pay child support is really making it hard for him.

I'm sorry but he seemed to be quite well enough to find a new job, change his name and never bother to let anyone know he was okay. I guess some people find this acceptable behavior from a married man but most people find it unacceptable.

I haven't seen any evidence of the ex-wife being persecuted. Persecuted? Really? Do you have an example? Writing one's opinion of the ex-wife does not = persecution. Not particularly liking the ex-wife does not = persecution. There is a vast landscape between adoration and persecution. The ex-wife is looking for salvation in the writings of the public. Her peace will come only in private. Healing will come only in the quiet hours.

[Postergeist]

Francisco on YH has claimed to be C and I highly doubt that is Nick in the tub pic. The noses and ears do not match. I could find about a dozen guys in my own neighborhood that look like either one of those guys.

hey Starkist- I was beginning to think that everyone had me on their iggy list tonight, lol- felt like I was just posting to myself. :laugh:

I only mentioned it because it hadn't been discussed at all. Heck, I don't think I even knew that CFC's mother was still alive before reading the news story that has NF's former MIL making a statement. For following this case off and on for quite some time, I don't think I ever heard her mentioned anywhere, just CF's sister.

I always thought it peculiar that no family had taken her and the kids in last year. However, that may have been a choice by all not to do that, who knows.

Altho, SeekingTruth did hint earlier about "perhaps someday in a book".



(and I am suprised at the language used by bloggers/posters on the various NF sites that say they are members of the MH church and attended church with the NF family and the language they use :ohmy: and it's easy to tell sites that don't have mods or very little moderating,

going to check on another case I've been following, it has way more finger-pointing than this one ever had, yikes!)

[Starkist]

hey Starkist- I was beginning to think that everyone had me on their iggy list tonight, lol- felt like I was just posting to myself. :laugh:

I only mentioned it because it hadn't been discussed at all. Heck, I don't think I even knew that CFC's mother was still alive before reading the news story that has NF's former MIL making a statement. For following this case off and on for quite some time, I don't think I ever heard her mentioned anywhere, just CF's sister.

I always thought it peculiar that no family had taken her and the kids in last year. However, that may have been a choice by all not to do that, who knows.

Altho, SeekingTruth did hint earlier about "perhaps someday in a book".



(and I am suprised at the language used by bloggers/posters on the various NF sites that say they are members of the MH church and attended church with the NF family and the language they use :ohmy: and it's easy to tell sites that don't have mods or very little moderating,

going to check on another case I've been following, it has way more finger-pointing than this one ever had, yikes!)

I like the movie of the week idea. Maybe we can get Rosie O'donnell to play the part of C...she's always been good at telling people to shut up and mind their own business after she's aired all her dirty laundry to the public. Those posters on those sites remind me of a Richard Pryor album I once had....

[BobbisAngel]

Why can't everyone leave Christine alone? I know what she is going through and I have to find a way now to comfront my own husband. I never would have dreamed he was doing anything nasty but because Christine was so brave to come forward I have been able to gather enough courage to investigate my husband's computer usage. I have been crying all afternoon from what I found. You should all be happy you do not have to deal with this kinda torture!


I'm sorry that you are going through such a hard time. It seems that more men are getting into trouble with their computers then ever before. I'm beginning to believe that men should be banned from them.

You must have suspected something before you started looking today.I can't imagine how hurtful that has to be even though I can only imagine what kind of junk you have found with your husband's name on it. I can't imagine the emotions that you have been dealing with all day. I'm glad that you plan to confront him with whatever you have found though. Secrets aren't good between a husband and wife. No matter how painful you have to get to the truth. I will be thinking of you and hoping that you can work things out if that is what you want.

[BobbisAngel]

She's married.


Is she remarried or is she using her maiden name since the divorce? If she is remarried I hope she got a good one this time and that he is good to her and those little kids.

[BobbisAngel]

BBM

If he didn't yet, he does now...you just told him! Ya really think he doesn't read here?

Never really thought about it. Although I don't know why he would be coming into a crime forum to see if anything was being said about him.
I think he got to where he was going...changed his looks and name and went about his business. He doesn't strike me as the kind of person that would hang out at crime forums....not sexy enough for the boy.
Besides, I think he would fear being able to be found through the forum.

I would bet money that he is extremely ticked off because he was found. After all of this time I bet he thought he was home free. Little did he know that Christine wasn't out beating the bushes with ashe on her head and ripping her clothes searching for him...yet. Bless her heart
she has moved on with her life. I hope his hasn't been an easy one.

The only thing that I wonder is what his secret life really was as he had been living it since before he was married according to Christine.
My imagination is going wild but we will probably never know the answer to that.

[aproudmom]

I did not follow this case I remember it very well but as I am reading back I see so many of you did follow it, I am happy he is alive and well I will leave it at that but what does make me angry is when grown men and women can just walk away and know people are searching and money is being spent on searches and there is NO Crime in that well I am sorry that is a crime to me FGS at least Jennifer Wilbanks had to pay money back and do community service. IMO it is just wrong and it hurts the ones who are missing and they do not search because they assume they just took off or no foul play is found so I am angry he is not being charged or has to pay back for all the resources used to search for him for 2 years..:angry:

[donna]

Well, I am stunned that Nick was located after all this time. And I had no idea that C. had remarried, but am not in the least surprised that she married someone from the 'church'. I have a feeling she was so much more into it than Nick was.

First of all, I am disgusted with any man that does not support his children. If a man does not take responsibility for his own flesh and blood, then he is not much of a man in my opinion. That being said, I also realize that if even half of what C. said Nick did at home was true, then he was busy from the moment he got up in the mornings until he went to bed.

C. stated that Nick got up and spent time with the kids, got their breakfast, and brought her coffee in bed before leaving for work. IIRC, she would have him stop off at the store for anything she needed. The way I see it is that C. and Nick were both a little spoiled and selfish. There are two sides to every story and I have heard only one side.

I am not going to make any bones about it when I say that I have not thought C. was as innocent as she would have everyone believe. She absolutely blossomed with the attention and donations. I honestly never thought she had done anything to Nick, but I honestly believe that she had to have at least suspected his 'other side'. It is not always just one person at fault when a marriage goes south.

It is my opinion that we do not know the whole story and may never know. I followed this case from the beginning as did most of you. I posted about it on another forum. I am not surprised that C. married someone from the church, but I am surprised that Nick ever turned up. My feelings and thoughts are with the children, not either parent. I have seen bad out of both. I must say, tho, that I am surprised by the long post that has more or less told most of us off in an ungracious way. It made me post my opinion of this whole sordid mess.

[MoonFlwr]

Mystery Of SeaTac Man's Disappearance Solved
(includes new picture)
http://www.kirotv.com/news/21564478/detail.html

Thanks for labelling that link so well! I was skipping through, hoping to find a link to a new pic of Nicholas and you'd made it clear that there was one at that link! :)

[MoonFlwr]

LOL looks like he isn't very happy to have gotten caught and had to pay child support.

Maybe now that he has been found he will grow his hair out. Bald just isn't a good look for him.:lol:

Have to respectfully disagree! He is still a very good-looking man. (imo)

[Leanne Weich]

Thanks for labelling that link so well! I was skipping through, hoping to find a link to a new pic of Nicholas and you'd made it clear that there was one at that link! :)

If you look at the new photo of him, it looks like he may have had a nose job, imo.

[Shelby1]

OMG I am in shock! I'm thankful he's alive!


I haven't had time to read yet. I am guessing that he will be paying child support????

Maybe this will eventually lead to him having contact with his children someday :crying:

I was very wrong about him never leaving his children. I guess I shouldn't have taken Christine's words to heart. She said he was a great father and husband. I guess not. :crying: However, I will keep in mind that there are two sides to every story.

[RainyNiteNTx]

I have skimmed the posts and as much as I would like to respond to each one, I can't (I'm on a borrowed computer). To have followed this case from day one and have my computer die now is beyond frustrating.

I read Christine aka Seeking Truth's post. One thing that we now know as fact is that Christine was posting here under that name as far back as March. She implied that Nicholas was in California - she spoke in the third person. So those of us who were taunted with saying Christine was posting here, were right, and I believe those doing the taunting knew that.

Silver Dove posted that no one would be happy unless Nicholas was found dead. I found that appalling. I'm very happy he is alive because being alive gives him a chance to make his life right. Laying dead in a ditch somewhere does not give him that option. I pray that he can get whatever help and support he might need in order to make things right with his children. No matter how many people children have in their lives, they always need their father's love and support IMO.

I have always thought there was more to this story than met the eye and my stance is the same. I've also always wondered why some posters here said such vile things about a missing man - perhaps they have known all along he wasn't "missing" in the sense we think of. Perhaps Christine knew this - perhaps this would explain why billboards were not put up or TES called in. It might also explain why Christine divorced Nicholas so quickly. I think a lot of things will begin to make better sense now in some of the postings.

Kudos to KCSO - after a year and a half they finally found him. Far too long IMO, but they did it.

Rather than people being happy that Nicholas has been found alive, I see the chest beating, guffawing, and high fiving and posts riddled with disparaging remarks about him. I hope somebody somewhere can help him find his back to his children.

[doradoll]

If you look at the new photo of him, it looks like he may have had a nose job, imo.

I think it is amazing how much different he looks. I guess he is heavier, as there seems to be no definition to his cheek and jaw line compared with older photos (I have the same problem!).

[MayLilacs]

I have skimmed the posts and as much as I would like to respond to each one, I can't (I'm on a borrowed computer). To have followed this case from day one and have my computer die now is beyond frustrating.

I read Christine aka Seeking Truth's post. One thing that we now know as fact is that Christine was posting here under that name as far back as March. She implied that Nicholas was in California - she spoke in the third person. So those of us who were taunted with saying Christine was posting here, were right, and I believe those doing the taunting knew that.

Silver Dove posted that no one would be happy unless Nicholas was found dead. I found that appalling. I'm very happy he is alive because being alive gives him a chance to make his life right. Laying dead in a ditch somewhere does not give him that option. I pray that he can get whatever help and support he might need in order to make things right with his children. No matter how many people children have in their lives, they always need their father's love and support IMO.

I have always thought there was more to this story than met the eye and my stance is the same. I've also always wondered why some posters here said such vile things about a missing man - perhaps they have known all along he wasn't "missing" in the sense we think of. Perhaps Christine knew this - perhaps this would explain why billboards were not put up or TES called in. It might also explain why Christine divorced Nicholas so quickly. I think a lot of things will begin to make better sense now in some of the postings.

Kudos to KCSO - after a year and a half they finally found him. Far too long IMO, but they did it.

Rather than people being happy that Nicholas has been found alive, I see the chest beating, guffawing, and high fiving and posts riddled with disparaging remarks about him. I hope somebody somewhere can help him find his back to his children.

Great post Rainy!

[Pomme]

I thought he was dead by foul play.

I think he needs to man up and take care of his children - his wife sure had to!

As far as hearing his side of the story, I would need solid, physical proof of something which would make him fear for his life - verifiable death threats or something of that nature - before I would even begin to feel sympathy for him. And even then, he could have taken steps to have his children taken care of.

To do that to your children - it's unforgivable. Until I hear differently, he's a real POS. :thumbdown:

[dreamtime]

Thanks for labelling that link so well! I was skipping through, hoping to find a link to a new pic of Nicholas and you'd made it clear that there was one at that link! :)
=================

Does Nicholas' new pic posted look like a dmv photo?

Maybe media got into CA dmv database and obtained this pic?
IMO.

[Postergeist]

<snipped>

I was very wrong about him never leaving his children. I guess I shouldn't have taken Christine's words to heart. She said he was a great father and husband. I guess not. :crying: However, I will keep in mind that there are two sides to every story.

Morning Shelby- most everyone in the beginning took her words and others that knew him at face value.

Anyone can look at the info posted on sites such as Websleuths, ProjectJason, remaining archived threads and posts done by Grande with news articles and other posts on the *site that can't be named* but can be found by googling, along with the original etsy threads, old blogs, cached sites, etc. old video interviews to hear/read from his ex-wife and co-workers, fellow church members that it was their impression of him.

Some in the beginning weren't buying the perfect fairytale marriage either and put that out there as well.

IMO this is just another case of where people just can not be so absolute about the people they know/marry/give birth to. I feel one can only be absolute about themselves, and even that can have the possibility of changing when faced with something they have never faced before.

Now, what I typically see on threads that has yet to be posted here is the ubiquitous posts of "it was God's plan/will" and "the Lord doesn't give us anything we can't handle", "it was meant to be" "it was their time to pass", "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger", "lessons taught" etc. I usually don't go along with that thinking, personally.

I do wonder if the local media plans to try to interview any of NF's bio family, to see if they will finally break their very long silence on the matter. This affected many, many people in his life.

imo

[Emerald]

And now that he is alive and it would appear that I was correct?

FWIW, SilverDove, I never bought the story either. Don't believe the wife was not aware that he had bolted.

I posted here under a different nic back then. Quit posting on this thread, because of the attacks on those of us who didn't buy the story.

JMO

[Justice4all]

Missing SeaTac man found living out of state
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/6420ap_wa_missing_man_found.html

WOW...........I can't say i'm shocked. I kind of figured he was alive the whole time.

[MiamiNice1]

Morning Shelby- most everyone in the beginning took her words and others that knew him at face value.

Anyone can look at the info posted on sites such as Websleuths, ProjectJason, remaining archived threads and posts done by Grande with news articles and other posts on the *site that can't be named* but can be found by googling, along with the original etsy threads, old blogs, cached sites, etc. old video interviews to hear/read from his ex-wife and co-workers, fellow church members that it was their impression of him.

Some in the beginning weren't buying the perfect fairytale marriage either and put that out there as well.

IMO this is just another case of where people just can not be so absolute about the people they know/marry/give birth to. I feel one can only be absolute about themselves, and even that can have the possibility of changing when faced with something they have never faced before.

Now, what I typically see on threads that has yet to be posted here is the ubiquitous posts of "it was God's plan/will" and "the Lord doesn't give us anything we can't handle", "it was meant to be" "it was their time to pass", "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger", "lessons taught" etc. I usually don't go along with that thinking, personally.

I do wonder if the local media plans to try to interview any of NF's bio family, to see if they will finally break their very long silence on the matter. This affected many, many people in his life.

imo

BBM- Truer words have never been written here at IS than what you have posted, Postie! This cannot be stressed enough! If people would remember this or learn this, there would never be another banning on IS!

[bugout]

Thanks for labelling that link so well! I was skipping through, hoping to find a link to a new pic of Nicholas and you'd made it clear that there was one at that link! :)

So sad. He looks very sad in that photo, and I will stick to my guns that he is suffering and hurting and angry. There are two sides to every story.

Nick, get out your pens and pencils, Apple, and start writing. People do want to hear your side of the story. He looks so drastically different that I'd had to bet my bottom dollar he went back to his mainstream catholic beliefs, is still devout, was suffocating and had to save himself.

I've seen this before, and I do not understand why so many people are harboring such hatred in this case. I do not get it.

Some of the posts are down right slanderous in nature claiming what his sexual preferences are; or that he was "nasty" or did something "nasty".

I'd like to request that everyone do some soul searching. And I agree with Poste and others, numero uno comes FIRST and Foremost in any relationship! These people were in their twenty's and went through a life altering experience. I'm sure he is angry at being found but the continued posts about his sexuality, etc I find really disturbing.

There has been some true homophobia written in these posts since this news broke. True colors are showing and they are black and dark and ugly, they are nasty.

I hope that CF can go on with her life, it would be good if she apologized for asking the world to donate to her, instead of taking care of herself and using resources that most women use in these circumstances. I hope that by supporting his children, and with good counsel NF will always be these children's father. Nothing said or done can ever erase that. They are his children, he has every right to see them, and also has every right to gain some type of custody of them.

Think about it. If he proved in a court of law the children were being raised in a cult and with extreme restrictions, (allergies to 70 things)
I'm sure that he would receive 50/50 custody and visitation.

Leaving a marriage is leaving because you are not in love, you are suffocating and you have to get OUT. For whatever reasons. It does not mean that you do not love your children. It does not automatically mean that NF is doing something "nefarious dark, evil or nasty"

So; as a wife I resent these comments, as a human being I feel that some here need to do some sole searching; because they have homophobic views. We do not know if that even applies to NF and it isn't anyones business.

If true, it isn't Dark, Evil or Nasty. Those comments are so ugly in themselves that I hope some will apologize.

Bug/Kat
:rose:

[SilverDove]

I have skimmed the posts and as much as I would like to respond to each one, I can't (I'm on a borrowed computer). To have followed this case from day one and have my computer die now is beyond frustrating.

I read Christine aka Seeking Truth's post. One thing that we now know as fact is that Christine was posting here under that name as far back as March. She implied that Nicholas was in California - she spoke in the third person. So those of us who were taunted with saying Christine was posting here, were right, and I believe those doing the taunting knew that.

Silver Dove posted that no one would be happy unless Nicholas was found dead. I found that appalling. I'm very happy he is alive because being alive gives him a chance to make his life right. Laying dead in a ditch somewhere does not give him that option. I pray that he can get whatever help and support he might need in order to make things right with his children. No matter how many people children have in their lives, they always need their father's love and support IMO.

I have always thought there was more to this story than met the eye and my stance is the same. I've also always wondered why some posters here said such vile things about a missing man - perhaps they have known all along he wasn't "missing" in the sense we think of. Perhaps Christine knew this - perhaps this would explain why billboards were not put up or TES called in. It might also explain why Christine divorced Nicholas so quickly. I think a lot of things will begin to make better sense now in some of the postings.

Kudos to KCSO - after a year and a half they finally found him. Far too long IMO, but they did it.

Rather than people being happy that Nicholas has been found alive, I see the chest beating, guffawing, and high fiving and posts riddled with disparaging remarks about him. I hope somebody somewhere can help him find his back to his children.

Don't worry the kids have a good father in their lives now who loves them and supports them. Nicholas was what is commonly known as a sperm donor. Nicholas clearly cared more about himself then those kids. If he wanted to be a part of their lives then he wouldn't have just taken off the night before Valentines day.

As far as the rest of the attacks on Christine it really doesn't matter. Nicholas is the one who did wrong and Christine and her children were the victim.

[Postergeist]

BBM- Truer words have never been written here at IS than what you have posted, Postie! This cannot be stressed enough! If people would remember this or learn this, there would never be another banning on IS!

well ty MiamiNice- on a perfect world message board that might happen, lol, and from your fingertips to the mod's eyes. (I am trying my best not to earn another infraction)

[Casspian]

The only thing 'more to this story than meets the eye' is all the details of Nicholas' secret life and who aided him in disappearing. It's astonishing that a few posters still have their obsession with demonizing Christine and feel the need to make long posts about their history as related to this case. Apparently some of them even want to act like they were helping to find Nicholas, however, to talk about any secret life was seen as debasing a defenseless Nicholas instead of seeing it as providing clues to his whereabouts. :rolleyes:

[annalyzer]

Anyone can look at the info posted on sites such as Websleuths, ProjectJason, remaining archived threads and posts done by Grande with news articles and other posts on the *site that can't be named* but can be found by googling, imo

What is the site that can't be named? And why?

[SeattleEddie]

I have skimmed the posts and as much as I would like to respond to each one, I can't (I'm on a borrowed computer). To have followed this case from day one and have my computer die now is beyond frustrating.

I read Christine aka Seeking Truth's post. One thing that we now know as fact is that Christine was posting here under that name as far back as March. She implied that Nicholas was in California - she spoke in the third person. So those of us who were taunted with saying Christine was posting here, were right, and I believe those doing the taunting knew that.

Silver Dove posted that no one would be happy unless Nicholas was found dead. I found that appalling. I'm very happy he is alive because being alive gives him a chance to make his life right. Laying dead in a ditch somewhere does not give him that option. I pray that he can get whatever help and support he might need in order to make things right with his children. No matter how many people children have in their lives, they always need their father's love and support IMO.

I have always thought there was more to this story than met the eye and my stance is the same. I've also always wondered why some posters here said such vile things about a missing man - perhaps they have known all along he wasn't "missing" in the sense we think of. Perhaps Christine knew this - perhaps this would explain why billboards were not put up or TES called in. It might also explain why Christine divorced Nicholas so quickly. I think a lot of things will begin to make better sense now in some of the postings.

Kudos to KCSO - after a year and a half they finally found him. Far too long IMO, but they did it.

Rather than people being happy that Nicholas has been found alive, I see the chest beating, guffawing, and high fiving and posts riddled with disparaging remarks about him. I hope somebody somewhere can help him find his back to his children.

(Emphasis added.) Astute observations, Rainy. You are absolutely right. Typical "christian charity" IMO. As I said in an earlier post, the buzzards circling for the kill.

[Postergeist]

Don't worry the kids have a good father in their lives now who loves them and supports them. Nicholas was what is commonly known as a sperm donor. Nicholas clearly cared more about himself then those kids. If he wanted to be a part of their lives then he wouldn't have just taken off the night before Valentines day.

As far as the rest of the attacks on Christine it really doesn't matter. Nicholas is the one who did wrong and Christine and her children were the victim.

I do hope that CFC's new husband is a good father and be a permanent fixture in their lives but we know there are no guarantees.

I have to say tho it does bother me for you to use that term for NF about being a "donor". That may apply to the third child born, because he has definitely been absent in that child's life, but he was a father for four years before he ran away and by all that knew him (that posted/spoke publicly), said he played a very active role during that time, so those years cannot be negated or erased.

imo

[MystryPhobia]

What is the site that can't be named? And why?

CW said that we absolutely could not mention that site a few weeks back.

[Postergeist]

What is the site that can't be named? And why?

answering this first and then will go back to address another post-

IRRC, it was a post made by the mod here saying that we weren't supposed to mention the site, (a recent post, within the past few weeks or so, but I could be wrong) and I took that to mean it was done at the request of that particular board owner.

If you want, I can PM you the site.

[annalyzer]

CW said that we absolutely could not mention that site a few weeks back.


Would you pm me what site you are referring to so I won't make the mistake of mentioning it?

[annalyzer]

answering this first and then will go back to address another post-

IRRC, it was a post made by the mod here saying that we weren't supposed to mention the site, (a recent post, within the past few weeks or so, but I could be wrong) and I took that to mean it was done at the request of that particular board owner.

If you want, I can PM you the site.

Yes please.

[Pomme]

Think about it. If he proved in a court of law the children were being raised in a cult and with extreme restrictions, (allergies to 70 things)
I'm sure that he would receive 50/50 custody and visitation.

Leaving a marriage is leaving because you are not in love, you are suffocating and you have to get OUT. For whatever reasons. It does not mean that you do not love your children. It does not automatically mean that NF is doing something "nefarious dark, evil or nasty"
Bug/Kat
:rose:

(respectfully snipped)

Hi Bug-
I appreciate your kindness, but what could have possibly stopped him from supporting his children? If he had a dime in his pocket, he could have anonymously sent money.

Leaving thoughts about Christine completely out of the picture, think about his kids. He left them - he let them think he was dead/gone for good - he didn't support them and left them in a very precarious financial situation. I just can't support that - sorry if that seems nasty. From posts that I've read on other threads for other people, posters had no problem denouncing men leaving their families and not ponying up support. What is so different about this case and this man? If he was under some threat of death, I hope he comes forward to say so. But again, he still could have sent money anonymously.

I appreciate your forgiving nature, but I just can't share it - sorry.

[Postergeist]

Yes please.

just did :smile:

[SeekingTruth]

Just to clarify I never called Nicholas evil and dark. I said what he did was evil and dark. Here is my exact words:

"What Nicholas did is evil and dark to put it mildly"

[MystryPhobia]

I'm sorry but this is just not true. Damages are presumed only in per se cases, and not all states recognize defamation per se. A number of federal rulings over the past 35 years have definitely stated that damages may not be presumed, so the law is clearly not settled. I certainly wouldn't count on it as the basis for a suit, i.e. I wouldn't walk into a courtroom with a defamation lawsuit without the ability to show damages.

Never mind the fact that opinions are constitutionally protected.

According to Washington law, defamation claims have four elements:

falsity;
an unprivileged communication;
fault on the part of the defendant; and
damages.



Defamation is knowingly stating something as fact that the person knew was a lie. Saying/Writing something as fact.. that is not fact and not following up with why you believe it to be so. You are not automatically protected by the constitution because you say it is your opinion. In WA.. the courts see the "opinion and fair comment priviledge" as a constitutional right. The US Supreme Court has declined to hold that standard as a constitutional right tho. In WA.. you can not say.. "In my opinon, Christine killed Nicholas" and be protected under the law because you added the IMO and have a constitutional right to free speech. This would be defamatory. If you said, in my opinion, Christine killed Nicholas and this is why I think this.... you then leave the interpretation up to the reader/listener and are not stating it as fact. WA law is very clear on this and what constitutes defamation and who can and can not sue and that damages are an element of that.

It might be a slippery slope for Christine because she put herself in the public eye.. therefore opening herself up as a public person. As I have said before.. I think most people have been careful not to do this but some not so much.

[Postergeist]

They were talking about it on the radio this morning and they also said that he was found living with someone.. in another state. Not sure if this is true or not.. since it isn't on any of the news sites. Could be whatever story that was written has just been passed around.

I do have to say.. the majority of comments on the articles and conversations that I have heard about his being found.. are not in favor of him. The only people that seem to have much compassion for him.. are on this board. Generally speaking.. people are sickened by the fact that he was found alive and well. I am sure they don't wish he was dead but instead that he had taken another route. They are angry that he walked out on his children and never looked back. They want back the tax payer money that was used to search for him.

<snipped>

snipped by me

since the breaking news I really haven't posted much on CFC directly, or should I say, focused soley on her- however since she is a posting member here and did admit to being her, I did ask her about how she felt about using his petname for her "Bella"...she didn't respond to that and I found out by searching online anyway she still uses that pet name.

Since they have been legally divorced since what, last year, and she has remarried, then if he is living with another person then he's free to do so, I think I'm not the only one that wonders if the CA people know him as NF or only as his alias or Steve, etc.

I read lots of the comments left at various sites and forums as well and while I won't post the links (due to the very adult language used there that isn't allowed here) and yes- most of course weren't favorable to him, many sites tho weren't favorable of her either, but some were pro of him leaving the wife, but of course not the children, except for a few wise cracks left at YH, etc.

(and I noticed that the IS link was used on several sites notating CFC's lengthy post here, that has since been deleted but is viewable on some sites in it's entirety) and many, many were very unfavorable of the former church that they were members of.

I also noticed those comments left that said things that at least he wasn't like some that are in the news- he didn't kill his family (physically) to carry on how he wanted to live his life.

IMO much more harsh things posted on those other sites than I read here since the news broke- there were commentors saying he'd be better off if he was found 6 ft. deep- it was rough (for me at least) to read- from legit news links to forums.

It doesn't appear MP from the KCSD/LE that they do not plan to pursue this any further and have stated Case Closed.

For those tax payers- maybe your area could consider some sort of class action suit. :shrug:

[elf999]

You know I feel so sad for Christine and the kids and what they have been through, but I also feel compassion for Nicholas whatever his situation. Yes, what he did is wrong though. I've always felt he had some psychological issues and might not have had the mental strength to stand up to Christine and ask for a divorce. In that case maybe he decided to take off like he did because he felt it was the only way. However once he got settled nothing stopped him from letting people know he was okay, even if he just wrote letters to do it. Then his taking off would have been much easier to forgive, but 21 months is a long time to hide out, and he changed is name, too!!

I still feel compassion for Nicholas though. We don't know what the issues are that made him leave the way he did, and I believe there is a good possibility he does love his children, however whatever his problems might be might be taking precedence over his relationship with them at this time. Even fighting the child support at the time he was found could have been mainly because he was found suddenly and didn't expect to have to pay it, and really needed the money to live. Obviously of course I believe he should have been paying child support the whole time.

Despite that I feel that what Nicholas did was wrong, I do hope he finds his way, and gets himself together one way or the other, and eventually has a relationship with his children again.

[mrsmcgoo]

Amazing!

A wife and children heart broken, what kind of a person does this? Not to mention time, money and the effects of unknown such as worry he has created for others.

I pray that this man NEVER is permitted to see his children again. :cursing:

JMO

[MystryPhobia]

Hi Mystry,

I've never known you to be one of the angry and bitter ones. As a matter of fact, I have always seen you handle adversities in your personal life with kindness and understanding and compassion. Your boys see that in you and there is no way that they can't and won't be fine men some day.

I've read the blogs, as well. And people are angry at Nicholas for leaving his children without money and support. IMO, the way I read the law charges should be pursued against him for the statute speaking to abandonment of dependent children/family. I don't understand why he was not charged.

What has been done to his children, by his absence, cannot even be fathomed. He has injured them and I am upset at him and any parent who does that to a child. It is inexcusable.

As far as waiting to hear Nicholas' side of the story, I am one who is willing to extend him grace and listen. Is there any reason to leave your pregnant wife and dependent children? I think there may be a couple of scenarios. Doesn't make leaving them any less horrific, but it does help in maybe understanding people in our lives and seeing signs we might not have otherwise.

I have immense compassion for Christine. And especially the children. Many of us tried to keep this forum open and spent hours searching the internet trying to find a Nicholas alive somewhere so that he would come home to take care of his children. We tried to keep the name out there, somehow.

Maybe you can answer this question speaking of child support. Doesn't it take months to receive a child support check once a run away parent is found? Doesn't it take a while to garnish the wages? If I'm reading the news correctly, and I may not be, LE said they only found out where Nicholas was last week? How could a garnishment and check be issued so soon? I'm impressed by it and I would hope all custodial parents would have such expediency in a like matter.

If anyone knows and can educate me, thank you.

IMO.
M.

Good Morning, M! Thanks for saying that. I appreciate it.

As for the check.. I wondered that too. I wonder if "the system" found him and the wheels started turning before LE actually received the information and made contact with him. I know it doesn't take long anymore, once they find you. One of my neighbors had not heard from her daughter's dad in years.. she knew he lived in a different state but not much else.. one day support enforcement called her and said that he had just started working at a McDonalds in Alabama.. she had a check a week later. First one in 16 years.. lol. He quickly quit his job and she hasn't received anymore since then.

[doradoll]

I hadn't realized that Christine remarried to a young pastor about her age. I am hopeful that it is good for the kids that she found someone while they were all so young.

Looking about on most other sites, it is noted that this is the only one that has devout followers feeling the love for NF. I didn't see a single mention of anyone thinking he might have a good reason for doing what he did. Some that previously blamed Christine for things have apologized. I don't see any reason why she shouldn't have a bit of a smile today by feeling some vindication. It might not be someone else's idea of "Christian" but it is human to feel relief and anger and speak your mind.

I just hope she doesn't have to now start some visitation rangling nightmare. DNA does not make a father.

[MystryPhobia]

You know I feel so sad for Christine and the kids and what they have been through, but I also feel compassion for Nicholas whatever his situation. Yes, what he did is wrong though. I've always felt he had some psychological issues and might not have had the mental strength to stand up to Christine and ask for a divorce. In that case maybe he decided to take off like he did because he felt it was the only way. However once he got settled nothing stopped him from letting people know he was okay, even if he just wrote letters to do it. Then his taking off would have been much easier to forgive, but 21 months is a long time to hide out, and he changed is name, too!!

I still feel compassion for Nicholas though. We don't know what the issues are that made him leave the way he did, and I believe there is a good possibility he does love his children, however whatever his problems might be might be taking precedence over his relationship with them at this time. Even fighting the child support at the time he was found could have been mainly because he was found suddenly and didn't expect to have to pay it, and really needed the money to live. Obviously of course I believe he should have been paying child support the whole time.

Despite that I feel that what Nicholas did was wrong, I do hope he finds his way, and gets himself together one way or the other, and eventually has a relationship with his children again.

I totally agree. I, too feel compassion for him as a human being.. that this is the route that he felt that he had to take. I can't imagine how hard of a decision that had to have been.. or, I guess I HOPE it was a agonizing decision for him. But.. I can't sit and say that I do not feel sick for Christine and the kids.. his family.. his friends.. coworkers.. that were desperate to find him.

[PerneciaJane]

Would you pm me what site you are referring to so I won't make the mistake of mentioning it?

Yes please me also.

[PerneciaJane]

Hi Mystry,

I've never known you to be one of the angry and bitter ones. As a matter of fact, I have always seen you handle adversities in your personal life with kindness and understanding and compassion. Your boys see that in you and there is no way that they can't and won't be fine men some day.

I've read the blogs, as well. And people are angry at Nicholas for leaving his children without money and support. IMO, the way I read the law charges should be pursued against him for the statute speaking to abandonment of dependent children/family. I don't understand why he was not charged.

What has been done to his children, by his absence, cannot even be fathomed. He has injured them and I am upset at him and any parent who does that to a child. It is inexcusable.

As far as waiting to hear Nicholas' side of the story, I am one who is willing to extend him grace and listen. Is there any reason to leave your pregnant wife and dependent children? I think there may be a couple of scenarios. Doesn't make leaving them any less horrific, but it does help in maybe understanding people in our lives and seeing signs we might not have otherwise.

I have immense compassion for Christine. And especially the children. Many of us tried to keep this forum open and spent hours searching the internet trying to find a Nicholas alive somewhere so that he would come home to take care of his children. We tried to keep the name out there, somehow.

Maybe you can answer this question speaking of child support. Doesn't it take months to receive a child support check once a run away parent is found? Doesn't it take a while to garnish the wages? If I'm reading the news correctly, and I may not be, LE said they only found out where Nicholas was last week? How could a garnishment and check be issued so soon? I'm impressed by it and I would hope all custodial parents would have such expediency in a like matter.

If anyone knows and can educate me, thank you.

IMO.
M.

On another forum I read a MS page was accidentally found in June that was believed to be NF using a new name. That MS page has now been deleted. So maybe he was found last summer not just recently. JMO

[Clara Harris]

Amazing!

A wife and children heart broken, what kind of a person does this? Not to mention time, money and the effects of unknown such as worry he has created for others.

I pray that this man NEVER is permitted to see his children again. :cursing:

JMO

ITA!!!

I guess these people pretending to "give Nic a voice" would rather make excuses for a deadbeat runaway dad than admit they are wrong. :cursing:

If he wanted to see his kids, he would have come home on Feb. 13th, or any time since then. Still, Nic remians out of state and out of touch with them.

I am glad Christina is moving on as best she can. Maybe one day her naysayers will be able to as well.

[Musterion]

Good Morning, M! Thanks for saying that. I appreciate it.

As for the check.. I wondered that too. I wonder if "the system" found him and the wheels started turning before LE actually received the information and made contact with him. I know it doesn't take long anymore, once they find you. One of my neighbors had not heard from her daughter's dad in years.. she knew he lived in a different state but not much else.. one day support enforcement called her and said that he had just started working at a McDonalds in Alabama.. she had a check a week later. First one in 16 years.. lol. He quickly quit his job and she hasn't received anymore since then.

Hm. I wonder, too. It looks like the new photo was a DL photo. It would seem to me if you did not want to be found you would not get into the government system at all.

The children deserve and need that money. It is rightfully theirs and I hope Nicholas will continue to work, unlike your friend's situation, and support these little ones that came into the world.

It still mystifies me that, I believe Christine said she didn't think he had planned on leaving but something happened that night to make him leave.

Why that night and what could have been so climactic to 'make' him leave?

Still many questions.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

On another forum I read a MS page was accidentally found in June that was believed to be NF using a new name. That MS page has now been deleted. So maybe he was found last summer not just recently. JMO

Thanks, PJ!

IMO.
M.

[gacheer]

answering this first and then will go back to address another post-

IRRC, it was a post made by the mod here saying that we weren't supposed to mention the site, (a recent post, within the past few weeks or so, but I could be wrong) and I took that to mean it was done at the request of that particular board owner.

If you want, I can PM you the site.

Pleae PM me. I was wondering the same thing.

[need2no]

Hi Mystry,

I've never known you to be one of the angry and bitter ones. As a matter of fact, I have always seen you handle adversities in your personal life with kindness and understanding and compassion. Your boys see that in you and there is no way that they can't and won't be fine men some day.

I've read the blogs, as well. And people are angry at Nicholas for leaving his children without money and support. IMO, the way I read the law charges should be pursued against him for the statute speaking to abandonment of dependent children/family. I don't understand why he was not charged.

What has been done to his children, by his absence, cannot even be fathomed. He has injured them and I am upset at him and any parent who does that to a child. It is inexcusable.

As far as waiting to hear Nicholas' side of the story, I am one who is willing to extend him grace and listen. Is there any reason to leave your pregnant wife and dependent children? I think there may be a couple of scenarios. Doesn't make leaving them any less horrific, but it does help in maybe understanding people in our lives and seeing signs we might not have otherwise.

I have immense compassion for Christine. And especially the children. Many of us tried to keep this forum open and spent hours searching the internet trying to find a Nicholas alive somewhere so that he would come home to take care of his children. We tried to keep the name out there, somehow.

Maybe you can answer this question speaking of child support. Doesn't it take months to receive a child support check once a run away parent is found? Doesn't it take a while to garnish the wages? If I'm reading the news correctly, and I may not be, LE said they only found out where Nicholas was last week? How could a garnishment and check be issued so soon? I'm impressed by it and I would hope all custodial parents would have such expediency in a like matter.

If anyone knows and can educate me, thank you.

IMO.
M.


Speakly from my own experience it took almost 6 weeks for garnishment of wages to begin, and we reside in the same state! The courts have to work around the employer's pay period, well at least they do here. Some employer's pay weekly, other's bi weekly and some only monthly. The first step after Family Court receives the court order, is for the court to mail the garnishment paperwork to the employer, and then they have a certain period of time to sign and return it to Family Court. Then, depending on when the payor receives the next paycheck, this will determine when the first payment is made to the custodial parent. As an example, if John Smith just got paid the day before Family Court received the paperwork from the employer, and John gets paid bi-weekly, it will be another 2 + weeks before the custodial parent receives the first CS payment. Believe me it is a slow and stressful procedure to get wage garnishment established. Also if the payor quits the job or gets fired, you have to start all over again with a new court order when you find out where the ex went to work. >sigh<

M. do you think some here are overlooking the very good possibility that Christine knew all along that Nicholas had left her, rather than mysteriously disappearing. If true, Christine is the one who created all the work the detectives had to do, not to mention the cost to the State, and scamming people who donated (to her) out of their money.
Some people only empathized with her because they thought something horrific had happened to Nicholas. Men walk away from their families everyday, sad as it is. If Christine knew Nicholas bolted, then she is the one who caused LE the time and expense, not Nicholas..even though he was wrong to walk away from his children. I think for most of us that have followed this case since the beginning this is what is sticking in our craw, yet people seem to overlook this detail, and give Christine a pass. :glare:

The true mystery was did Nicholas walk without warning, or did Christine know and/or suspect all along that he'd left her, and the reason why. After 7 years of marriage weren't there some clues? Why did she claim she had a fairy tale marriage, and all was well in their world?

I see some evil and darkness coming from both. My compassion is for the innocent children.

IMO

[Lydia]

I'm glad that Nicholas was found alive. I'm also glad that he took the "cowards" way out when he realized that marriage and parenthood were not for him. We read about the alternative way too often on this board, ie: Casey Anthony.

[Clara Harris]

I do hope that CFC's new husband is a good father and be a permanent fixture in their lives but we know there are no guarantees.

I have to say tho it does bother me for you to use that term for NF about being a "donor". That may apply to the third child born, because he has definitely been absent in that child's life, but he was a father for four years before he ran away and by all that knew him (that posted/spoke publicly), said he played a very active role during that time, so those years cannot be negated or erased.

imo


That subject seems up for debate, especially IF the courts agreed with Christine.

Christine Francisco filed for divorce on May 28, citing "willful abandonment that continues for an extended period of time." She also cites the Revised Code of Washington referring to a "history of acts of domestic violence or an assault or sexual assault, which causes grievous bodily harm or the fear of such harm" under a section requesting restrictions on Nicholas Francisco's access to their children.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008003484_missingman18m.html

There is a lot of finger pointing here and it is very sad JMT&OO. Who wants their dirty laundry aired out in public? Why does the public feel entitled to know every detail?

[mrsmcgoo]

I'm glad that Nicholas was found alive. I'm also glad that he took the "cowards" way out when he realized that marriage and parenthood were not for him. We read about the alternative way too often on this board, ie: Casey Anthony.

I do agree with you on that.

I am no fan of a father who just disappears, BUT we could have a Scott Peterson here.

JMO

[Postergeist]

ITA!!!

I guess these people pretending to "give Nic a voice" would rather make excuses for a deadbeat runaway dad than admit they are wrong. :cursing:

If he wanted to see his kids, he would have come home on Feb. 13th, or any time since then. Still, Nic remians out of state and out of touch with them.

I am glad Christina is moving on as best she can. Maybe one day her naysayers will be able to as well.

Clara- as far as I know the people that you say are "pretending to give Nic a voice" have only had less than a day to process that he has been found alive and safe in another state.

Whereas his ex-wife was informed of the information per reports last week.

I would think her remarrying almost 7 months ago would qualify as 'moving on' with her life.

Many of the posters that have kept the story of Nick being a MP have been long-time posters on this forum while also posting on other forums here at IS and on other cases.

Another question could be asked- for those posters that ONLY registered to post on the NF forum, will they move on now that the case is closed, or will they continue to contribute to any of the many forums this board has to offer?

This case like others would have journalists and the public asking "why'd you do it Nick?"

imo

[MystryPhobia]

Speakly from my own experience it took almost 6 weeks for garnishment of wages to begin, and we reside in the same state! The courts have to work around the employer's pay period, well at least they do here. Some employer's pay weekly, other's bi weekly and some only monthly. The first step after Family Court receives the court order, is for the court to mail the garnishment paperwork to the employer, and then they have a certain period of time to sign and return it to Family Court. Then, depending on when the payor receives the next paycheck, this will determine when the first payment is made to the custodial parent. As an example, if John Smith just got paid the day before Family Court received the paperwork from the employer, and John gets paid bi-weekly, it will be another 2 + weeks before the custodial parent receives the first CS payment. Believe me it is a slow and stressful procedure to get wage garnishment established. Also if the payor quits the job or gets fired, you have to start all over again with a new court order when you find out where the ex went to work. >sigh<

M. do you think some here are overlooking the very good possibility that Christine knew all along that Nicholas had left her, rather than mysteriously disappearing. If true, Christine is the one who created all the work the detectives had to do, not to mention the cost to the State, and scamming people who donated (to her) out of their money.
Some people only empathized with her because they thought something horrific had happened to Nicholas. Men walk away from their families everyday, sad as it is. If Christine knew Nicholas bolted, then she is the one who caused LE the time and expense, not Nicholas..even though he was wrong to walk away from his children. I think for most of us that have followed this case since the beginning this is what is sticking in our craw, yet people seem to overlook this detail, and give Christine a pass. :glare:

The true mystery was did Nicholas walk without warning, or did Christine know and/or suspect all along that he'd left her, and the reason why. After 7 years of marriage weren't there some clues? Why did she claim she had a fairy tale marriage, and all was well in their world?

I see some evil and darkness coming from both. My compassion is for the innocent children.

IMO

He did not just leave her need2no.. he left EVERYTHING. If he left her that would be one thing.. but he didn't. If it was on the up and up.. why change your name.. move out of state.. not call your family.. your work.. your friends.. etc.

You know what is so funny to me and has been since all of this started? Those that knew Nicholas IRL.. had no problem believing that he left. They didn't believe that he would, in the beginning.. but came to realize that they didnt' know him. They accepted that he most likely left. It was only those on message boards that wouldn't accept it.. and we didn't even know him except through their interpretations of him.

[AlicePalace]

Let me start off by saying the most important thing: Nicholas Francisco is alive. No matter how you feel about what he has done, I hope we can all agree that's a good thing. One less life possibly snuffed out is something to celebrate.

I think that most of us would also agree that there's no honor in abandoning the people who love you, especially the children who rely upon you.

That said, I would like to bring up something that I know not everyone will agree upon. In SeekingTruth's (Christine Francisco Carter's) now-deleted post, she rightfully points out the many things that Nicholas Francisco chose to do, none of them positive. There aren't many positive things to say about a person who chooses to neglect his or her children.

However, Christine has made her own choices. Regardless of recent events, Christine chose to marry Nicholas Francisco, and she chose him to be the father of her children. It's my belief that her highest obligation is to protect those children, and publicly defaming their father is not the way to do that. Eventually, they will be old enough to get online and read everything that everyone has written about this situation, including their own mother.

Christine, you must know on some level that no matter what has happened, your ex-husband really does love his own children. You married him for a reason, and you chose to bear children with him for a reason. Just because those reasons didn't turn into the life that you wished would result should not mean that you disparage every second of time you spent with your ex-husband. What's done is done, and all you can do now is move on. Step away from the internet, and love your children. Revenge isn't the answer, and holding on to your anger will only damage whatever progress you've made since the day Nicholas disappeared. Don't use your children as a proxy to obtain revenge on the man who hurt you- do your best to protect them.

This unfortunately public chapter of your life is now coming to a close. Use this closure as an opportunity to strengthen yourself and your family in private.

[SeattleEddie]

According to Washington law, defamation claims have four elements:

falsity;
an unprivileged communication;
fault on the part of the defendant; and
damages.



Defamation is knowingly stating something as fact that the person knew was a lie. Saying/Writing something as fact.. that is not fact and not following up with why you believe it to be so. You are not automatically protected by the constitution because you say it is your opinion. In WA.. the courts see the "opinion and fair comment priviledge" as a constitutional right. The US Supreme Court has declined to hold that standard as a constitutional right tho. In WA.. you can not say.. "In my opinon, Christine killed Nicholas" and be protected under the law because you added the IMO and have a constitutional right to free speech. This would be defamatory. If you said, in my opinion, Christine killed Nicholas and this is why I think this.... you then leave the interpretation up to the reader/listener and are not stating it as fact. WA law is very clear on this and what constitutes defamation and who can and can not sue and that damages are an element of that.

It might be a slippery slope for Christine because she put herself in the public eye.. therefore opening herself up as a public person. As I have said before.. I think most people have been careful not to do this but some not so much.

Hi Mystery,

We are in agreement, then!

IMO it would be very difficult/impossible for her to show damages as a result of any statements made on an mb. Opinion and fair comment is highly protected in the state of WA. In this case, esp. regarding an issue of public interest. I suppose the question would be jurisdiction. Is there any chance a suit would wind its way up to fed court? In a word: no.

[Shelby1]

I'm glad that Nicholas was found alive. I'm also glad that he took the "cowards" way out when he realized that marriage and parenthood were not for him. We read about the alternative way too often on this board, ie: Casey Anthony.

You make a very good point.

[Shelby1]

Let me start off by saying the most important thing: Nicholas Francisco is alive. No matter how you feel about what he has done, I hope we can all agree that's a good thing. One less life possibly snuffed out is something to celebrate.

I think that most of us would also agree that there's no honor in abandoning the people who love you, especially the children who rely upon you.

That said, I would like to bring up something that I know not everyone will agree upon. In SeekingTruth's (Christine Francisco Carter's) now-deleted post, she rightfully points out the many things that Nicholas Francisco chose to do, none of them positive. There aren't many positive things to say about a person who chooses to neglect his or her children.

However, Christine has made her own choices. Regardless of recent events, Christine chose to marry Nicholas Francisco, and she chose him to be the father of her children. It's my belief that her highest obligation is to protect those children, and publicly defaming their father is not the way to do that. Eventually, they will be old enough to get online and read everything that everyone has written about this situation, including their own mother.

Christine, you must know on some level that no matter what has happened, your ex-husband really does love his own children. You married him for a reason, and you chose to bear children with him for a reason. Just because those reasons didn't turn into the life that you wished would result should not mean that you disparage every second of time you spent with your ex-husband. What's done is done, and all you can do now is move on. Step away from the internet, and love your children. Revenge isn't the answer, and holding on to your anger will only damage whatever progress you've made since the day Nicholas disappeared. Don't use your children as a proxy to obtain revenge on the man who hurt you- do your best to protect them.

This unfortunately public chapter of your life is now coming to a close. Use this closure as an opportunity to strengthen yourself and your family in private.



Good post, Alice!

I can't say enough how glad I am to know that Nicholas is alive.

I also hope that her new husband is dealing with all of this ok. And the kids....what a hard talk that is going to be to have with them. :sad:

[Postergeist]

He did not just leave her need2no.. he left EVERYTHING. If he left her that would be one thing.. but he didn't. If it was on the up and up.. why change your name.. move out of state.. not call your family.. your work.. your friends.. etc.

You know what is so funny to me and has been since all of this started? Those that knew Nicholas IRL.. had no problem believing that he left. They didn't believe that he would, in the beginning.. but came to realize that they didnt' know him. They accepted that he most likely left. It was only those on message boards that wouldn't accept it.. and we didn't even know him except through their interpretations of him.

With you asking the "why" in the first paragraph MP- does that mean you would like the answers to those, that only NF would be able to provide? So would you want to be able to read his responses somewhere, or watch him if he was interviewed?

What information or insight do you think the people that knew Nick IRL had that changed them to think he left, when it was just so recently the KCSD moved this to the cold case and could not or would not choose walk away over foul play?

[Postergeist]

well for those that may want to stick around IS, here's another 'he done her wrong cheating husband' thread- with some varying opinions on let the friend vent/dump the friend!

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=360474

[SeattleEddie]

Let me start off by saying the most important thing: Nicholas Francisco is alive. No matter how you feel about what he has done, I hope we can all agree that's a good thing. One less life possibly snuffed out is something to celebrate.

I think that most of us would also agree that there's no honor in abandoning the people who love you, especially the children who rely upon you.

That said, I would like to bring up something that I know not everyone will agree upon. In SeekingTruth's (Christine Francisco Carter's) now-deleted post, she rightfully points out the many things that Nicholas Francisco chose to do, none of them positive. There aren't many positive things to say about a person who chooses to neglect his or her children.

However, Christine has made her own choices. Regardless of recent events, Christine chose to marry Nicholas Francisco, and she chose him to be the father of her children. It's my belief that her highest obligation is to protect those children, and publicly defaming their father is not the way to do that. Eventually, they will be old enough to get online and read everything that everyone has written about this situation, including their own mother.

Christine, you must know on some level that no matter what has happened, your ex-husband really does love his own children. You married him for a reason, and you chose to bear children with him for a reason. Just because those reasons didn't turn into the life that you wished would result should not mean that you disparage every second of time you spent with your ex-husband. What's done is done, and all you can do now is move on. Step away from the internet, and love your children. Revenge isn't the answer, and holding on to your anger will only damage whatever progress you've made since the day Nicholas disappeared. Don't use your children as a proxy to obtain revenge on the man who hurt you- do your best to protect them.

This unfortunately public chapter of your life is now coming to a close. Use this closure as an opportunity to strengthen yourself and your family in private.

Great points, AP. If a million people paid homage to CFC, it would still not heal her heart and soul. That can be done only in private, alone. It's curious that she still looks to the public for salvation. There is no victory in vindication. This is a family tragedy, for all the parties involved, including Nicholas. Unlike some other far more devastating family tragedies, this is one that can be overcome, with work and in time. It's a situation that can actually have a very good resolution eventually. Or it can have catastrophic long-term consequences. Continued focus on a public shaming points to the latter, unfortunately. IMO. And that is truly a shame for the children.

[need2no]

He did not just leave her need2no.. he left EVERYTHING. If he left her that would be one thing.. but he didn't. If it was on the up and up.. why change your name.. move out of state.. not call your family.. your work.. your friends.. etc.

You know what is so funny to me and has been since all of this started? Those that knew Nicholas IRL.. had no problem believing that he left. They didn't believe that he would, in the beginning.. but came to realize that they didnt' know him. They accepted that he most likely left. It was only those on message boards that wouldn't accept it.. and we didn't even know him except through their interpretations of him.

I wish I could post my thoughts on this board about why I think he left, but I best not do that. Let's just say sometimes when a person leaves they leave out of fear, and/or to avoid a situation which they would find devastating/humiliating... therefore they don't want to be found and 'outed', so naturally they have to move out of state, and change their ID. If they didn't feel the need to run, but just wanted to end the marriage they could obtain a divorce. Yes, I know the argument about he was trying to avoid paying support. But think about it...look what he gave up to avoid paying CS, including his children who I have to believe he loves and misses. Whatever caused him to walk, he must have felt it was his only option... I doubt he chose that path without a heavy heart and knowing what he would be giving up. I doubt he has lived without pain in his heart for his choice.

Please remember we are only hearing one side of this, just one side. Heck we don't even know for certain when Nicholas left. Maybe that's why the call to LE to report Nicholas missing was made so late that night, maybe he had been gone from the home since the day he resigned from the church, and she needed time to come up with a plan. Maybe someone was threatening him so he felt he had to make the choice to leave not just the home, but the state, and create a new identity to save face.

Mystry I know you've followed this case since the beginning, and we have sleuthed, and posted with each other at another site as well as this one. We explored a lot of possibilities and have each drawn our own conclusions as to what happened. I've always thought of you as being fair and open minded, and seeking the truth wherever it leads. I hope you will remain open minded, and not let your emotions guide your thinking.

So, if you found out Christine knew all along that Nicholas had walked away... say for instance if his departure had something to do with something MH church confronted him with, and he went home angry and told her he was leaving and why....would you still feel sick for Christine?

While Nicholas certainly shouldn't get a pass for leaving his children, or not paying support, would you agree that Christine was the one who changed the direction of this entire case if she was not being honest about Nicholas leaving her and the children? If true, was her motivation to make some money via donations, while garnering attention and empathy for her 'plight'? To put it another way...make something good out of a bad situation. And let's not forget she failed to advise the nice people at Etsy that she was still receiving Nicholas' paycheck while she wrote of her desperate financial crisis. Don't you find this deceitful?

Needless to say LE never should have been involved if she knew he walked. Even if she had just admitted to some recent marital friction this case would have, and should have been handled in a different manner with less LE man hours and no significant cost to the state. But the opposite is true, she described her marriage as nothing less than idyllic, and wrote over and over how he would never walk away. She even posted their love songs and spoke of how thrilled Nicholas was about the new baby on the way. Needless to say LE took her at her word and went about doing a full investigation of a hard working, devoted, happily married man who just mysteriously vanished into thin air when he was supposed to be on his way home to bake cookies with his daughter.

Though sad and wrong, it's not a crime to walk away from your family, your life. Therefore LE does not even look for people KNOWN to have walked, even if a family member wants them to look. Do you think Nicholas expected this to be made public, and for LE to launch a major search for him? Was the initial plan to further humiliate Nicholas by having LE track him down?

It is a crime to lead LE astray, and should also be a crime to scam kind hearted generous people out of money by changing 'the story' to make a devious and deceitful plan work to your benefit....if that's what happened here.


IMO

[Casspian]

need2no... give us a break. Nick could have simply told Christine about his desires, said he had to leave but would support them, and then moved to another state. I have no sympathy for him, he was cowardly and incredibly irresponsible. To speculate that someone was out to humilate him is ludicrous - he did a good ob of humiliating himself. By your hypothetical he must have been into something pretty strange that he was so worried about being outed he did things this way. He made conscious choices over-and-over then to create his own situation. There's something terribly wrong when one chooses that, it wasn't just some errors in judgment.

[Heidi J.]

I agree with your statement.
I am not at all surprised NF is alive and well.
Exactly what I thought from day 1... happened. He walked.

I'm glad he has been found and I hope he has to pay CS to his children now. He owes them that much.

As for his decision... happens every day across the country. No biggie.

If his family knew he was alright, they should (including NF) reimburse the cost of his searches from the day they "knew".

MOO

Yes, men do do it all the time, so do women.. But to carry on this cherade, making it seem something bad had happened.. Unbelivable.:mad:

He should most certainly reimburse for the searches! What a waste of peoples valubale time.

jmo

[AlicePalace]

Christine deserved so much better, and I'm glad she has a good man now.

Frankly, none of us know anything about Christine Francisco Carter's new husband, much less if he's a good man/wants to be with her/whatever else has been suggested here. For her sake and the sake of her children, I hope he's all that and more.

However, if anything, Nicholas Francisco's disappearance should have shown us all that you shouldn't rely upon anyone else to build your world for you. It's disturbing to me that so many people seem to think the fact CFC has remarried means that all problems past, present, and future have been resolved.

[boo]

I totally agree with everything you've said, AP and thought the same thing when I read it. Nobody knows anything about this new husband and how good of a father he is to those children. Of course it would be wonderful if he was perfect in every way.

You said exactly what I tried to say, only when I said it, I was accused of being angry and bitter. :laugh:

[need2no]

need2no... give us a break. Nick could have simply told Christine about his desires, said he had to leave but would support them, and then moved to another state. I have no sympathy for him, he was cowardly and incredibly irresponsible. To speculate that someone was out to humilate him is ludicrous - he did a good ob of humiliating himself. By your hypothetical he must have been into something pretty strange that he was so worried about being outed he did things this way. He made conscious choices over-and-over then to create his own situation. There's something terribly wrong when one chooses that, it wasn't just some errors in judgment.

Casspain, we are all entitled to our opinion on what has transpired in this case. But rest assured my words are not meant to inflame. I have followed this since day one, and do believe I know every aspect quite well, (including a lot that hasn't been posted openly), and I will probably continue to share my thoughts and opinions considering how much time I have devoted to this already. Also, even though Nicholas has been found there is still much mystery in this case.

If only life were as simple and straightforward as you make it sound. Unfortunately life is often not simple and things are rarely cut and dry. It takes money to leave, money to get established in another town/home, time to land a job, and money to pay child support. (But yes, he owes his children support, just as he supported them for 4 years!) What you consider ridiculous, minor, or not worthwhile reasons to leave, may not be the way Nicholas saw things at the time, or even still sees things. He may have felt devastated by events that occurred, and overwhelmed trying to determine how to resolve the problems. He may have wished and prayed for a simple solution that wouldn’t hurt or put a burden on his children. It can be hard to walk a mile in someone else's shoes if you haven't been there, done that. Perhaps he acted out of anger and in haste, but felt he had no other choice at the time. To him leaving was his only ‘out’ in his mind, not the perfect solution, just what he felt (for whatever reason) was what he had to do... whether you agree or not.

If you chose to take Christine's word about everything that happened and is currently happening, and you have no further questions about any of this, that's cool, and you don't even have to read my posts sharing my opinions if they disturb you. I do not find it necessary to try to get you, or anyone else here to look past the surface, take everything into consideration, acknowledge you've only heard one side of the story, and to have an open mind when looking at the facts in their entirety. This is not black and white, there is a lot of grey mixed in, IMO. Frankly it's much easier and less mentally challenging to just think the worst of Nicholas, assume he had no 'real' or valid reason to leave, nothing to fear, was just selfish. He was just a heartless jerk, everything was his fault, he is a bum who was unfaithful to his wife, and into a kinky sex life since even before he and Christine were married, he happily walked away from his precious children without a second thought about them, or the home, vehicles, and personal possessions he paid for. His friends, family, co-workers, neighbors meant little or nothing to him, (he merely faked it for 7 years), and he took his 'stash' of cash and vanished, leaving behind a clueless innocent wife who played no part in any of what happened. Personally I don’t believe this, but I doubt anything I, or anyone else says would change your mind, but that’s okay by me.

As I stated earlier, my primary concern and compassion is for the only truly innocent in this case.....the children.

[SilverDove]

Speakly from my own experience it took almost 6 weeks for garnishment of wages to begin, and we reside in the same state! The courts have to work around the employer's pay period, well at least they do here. Some employer's pay weekly, other's bi weekly and some only monthly. The first step after Family Court receives the court order, is for the court to mail the garnishment paperwork to the employer, and then they have a certain period of time to sign and return it to Family Court. Then, depending on when the payor receives the next paycheck, this will determine when the first payment is made to the custodial parent. As an example, if John Smith just got paid the day before Family Court received the paperwork from the employer, and John gets paid bi-weekly, it will be another 2 + weeks before the custodial parent receives the first CS payment. Believe me it is a slow and stressful procedure to get wage garnishment established. Also if the payor quits the job or gets fired, you have to start all over again with a new court order when you find out where the ex went to work. >sigh<

M. do you think some here are overlooking the very good possibility that Christine knew all along that Nicholas had left her, rather than mysteriously disappearing. If true, Christine is the one who created all the work the detectives had to do, not to mention the cost to the State, and scamming people who donated (to her) out of their money.
Some people only empathized with her because they thought something horrific had happened to Nicholas. Men walk away from their families everyday, sad as it is. If Christine knew Nicholas bolted, then she is the one who caused LE the time and expense, not Nicholas..even though he was wrong to walk away from his children. I think for most of us that have followed this case since the beginning this is what is sticking in our craw, yet people seem to overlook this detail, and give Christine a pass. :glare:

The true mystery was did Nicholas walk without warning, or did Christine know and/or suspect all along that he'd left her, and the reason why. After 7 years of marriage weren't there some clues? Why did she claim she had a fairy tale marriage, and all was well in their world?

I see some evil and darkness coming from both. My compassion is for the innocent children.

IMO

I got the feeling that he was found. Child support got the information and LE waited until support did what they needed before making the announcement so that something could be collected before he ran away again.

Just because it was just announced doesn't mean that he was just found.

[SilverDove]

Casspain, we are all entitled to our opinion on what has transpired in this case. But rest assured my words are not meant to inflame. I have followed this since day one, and do believe I know every aspect quite well, (including a lot that hasn't been posted openly), and I will probably continue to share my thoughts and opinions considering how much time I have devoted to this already. Also, even though Nicholas has been found there is still much mystery in this case.

If only life were as simple and straightforward as you make it sound. Unfortunately life is often not simple and things are rarely cut and dry. It takes money to leave, money to get established in another town/home, time to land a job, and money to pay child support. (But yes, he owes his children support, just as he supported them for 4 years!) What you consider ridiculous, minor, or not worthwhile reasons to leave, may not be the way Nicholas saw things at the time, or even still sees things. He may have felt devastated by events that occurred, and overwhelmed trying to determine how to resolve the problems. He may have wished and prayed for a simple solution that wouldn’t hurt or put a burden on his children. It can be hard to walk a mile in someone else's shoes if you haven't been there, done that. Perhaps he acted out of anger and in haste, but felt he had no other choice at the time. To him leaving was his only ‘out’ in his mind, not the perfect solution, just what he felt (for whatever reason) was what he had to do... whether you agree or not.

If you chose to take Christine's word about everything that happened and is currently happening, and you have no further questions about any of this, that's cool, and you don't even have to read my posts sharing my opinions if they disturb you. I do not find it necessary to try to get you, or anyone else here to look past the surface, take everything into consideration, acknowledge you've only heard one side of the story, and to have an open mind when looking at the facts in their entirety. This is not black and white, there is a lot of grey mixed in, IMO. Frankly it's much easier and less mentally challenging to just think the worst of Nicholas, assume he had no 'real' or valid reason to leave, nothing to fear, was just selfish. He was just a heartless jerk, everything was his fault, he is a bum who was unfaithful to his wife, and into a kinky sex life since even before he and Christine were married, he happily walked away from his precious children without a second thought about them, or the home, vehicles, and personal possessions he paid for. His friends, family, co-workers, neighbors meant little or nothing to him, (he merely faked it for 7 years), and he took his 'stash' of cash and vanished, leaving behind a clueless innocent wife who played no part in any of what happened. Personally I don’t believe this, but I doubt anything I, or anyone else says would change your mind, but that’s okay by me.

As I stated earlier, my primary concern and compassion is for the only truly innocent in this case.....the children.

So if he had killed her and the kids would you be busy looking at the other side? Would you be so willing to give him all this support? Some how I don't think so but just walking out on her is some how okay in your book. Or maybe he is a great man for not killing her and walking away without a word to anyone not his friends, not his work, not his family.

I'm amazed that people who would be out to have his life if he killed her are all good with him just leaving. Guess different strokes for different people. Or maybe some people have spent so much time supporting him they can't admit they were wrong?

[elf999]

I think something Casspian said a while back is true, some people are just plain obsessed with Christine and just because Nicholas has been found that's not going to go away.

[SilverDove]

I think something Casspian said a while back is true, some people are just plain obsessed with Christine and just because Nicholas has been found that's not going to go away.

Amen and these are the same people who were outraged that the "victim" was having bad things said about him but now that we know who the real victim was they still want to tear her reputation apart. Sad isn't it?

[AlicePalace]

Amen and these are the same people who were outraged that the "victim" was having bad things said about him but now that we know who the real victim was they still want to tear her reputation apart. Sad isn't it?

Could you please tell us exactly how you think CFC's reputation is being "torn apart"? I fail to see anything of the sort on this thread.

[bugout]

She did that on her own. NF's reputation however, that is completely her doing too. I doubt this will end with him being found and I agree with AP; there are deep rooted problems here.
No Lessons learned yet it seems.
:rose:

Please clarify; what do some posters mean; what "other life"?

People leave their partners every day; and their children. This case was different because the wife disparaged the husband online.
First he is a coffee getter, cookie maker, husband of the year, only have the case end with "he abused me".

All of this info, came from one side: His Wife.

Cry Me A River!!

There are two sides to every story. NF's story has not been told.
Bug

(and check out the new posters, all here to support CF :gag:)
GMAB!!

[SilverDove]

She did that on her own. NF's reputation however, that is completely her doing too. I doubt this will end with him being found and I agree with AP; there are deep rooted problems here.
No Lessons learned yet it seems.
:rose:

Please clarify; what do some posters mean; what "other life"?

People leave their partners every day; and their children. This case was different because the wife disparaged the husband online.
First he is a coffee getter, cookie maker, husband of the year, only have the case end with "he abused me".

All of this info, came from one side: His Wife.

Cry Me A River!!

There are two sides to every story. NF's story has not been told.
Bug

(and check out the new posters, all here to support CF :gag:)
GMAB!!

Ya what can you say most people support the victim not the dead beat runaway husband. lol.

Then again some woman like to write letters to men in prison, too. Guess that is Nicholas appeal.

[Postergeist]

Could you please tell us exactly how you think CFC's reputation is being "torn apart"? I fail to see anything of the sort on this thread.

wow, hi ya AP

<shaking head> there are 7 pages and 255 posts left (as at least one was deleted) since the news broke about this case.

And it seems from reading thru the posts, many have been attacks amongst groups of posters rather than discussion of the NEWS of what was revealed to the public thru the media yesterday.

IMO, most of the information during the past 17 months of the case, and initially from the beginning was info posted/given/reported/done in interviews by the former Mrs. NF about NF.

Basically every major site that listed him as a MP (well, haven't looked at scared monkeys in ages) included and posted comments about NF that were given by CFC.

Later as time went by and there was more investigation, again- additional info that was released/posted was by CFC and those that she was corresponding with on various sites.

Some knew her thru her crafting sites, some new her thru church membership, some knew her from other online communities as well as those that stated they knew NF thru work, sites, etc.

Now in all these months, I haven't seen anything posted that anyone found that said -

Look- this is what NF said about his wife, his marriage, his kids, etc. in a derogatory way, an insulting manner, in a negative life PRIOR to his 'disappearance' NOR DURING these months that stretched to closing on 2 years.

I personally have never seen any members at IS/ctv posting that THEY were the cause or the reason that he left his wife and abandoned his children and quit his job, bailed on his creditors and his parents and siblings without so much as a "kiss my foot" or that they had been having secret online affairs with him or hooking up with him at various meet & greets to be a home wrecker.

Since February 13, 2008 really only one person connected to the family unit has discussed the case and the dynamics at any length.

Now that he has been found alive, why is does it seem so appalling that some of us would like to hear the opinions and views of Nick's parents, siblings, former coworkers, friends and omg- Nick's as well?

Since around Feb. 14th, 2008, I think we've pretty much read the majority of posters opinions and views on the matter.

But maybe I ask for too much.

:blink:

imo

[Casspian]

I think something Casspian said a while back is true, some people are just plain obsessed with Christine and just because Nicholas has been found that's not going to go away.

Strange, huh? I can't see the point in keeping all that up now (even though I couldn't see the point before). I'm shaking my head.

[Musterion]

Speakly from my own experience it took almost 6 weeks for garnishment of wages to begin, and we reside in the same state! The courts have to work around the employer's pay period, well at least they do here. Some employer's pay weekly, other's bi weekly and some only monthly. The first step after Family Court receives the court order, is for the court to mail the garnishment paperwork to the employer, and then they have a certain period of time to sign and return it to Family Court. Then, depending on when the payor receives the next paycheck, this will determine when the first payment is made to the custodial parent. As an example, if John Smith just got paid the day before Family Court received the paperwork from the employer, and John gets paid bi-weekly, it will be another 2 + weeks before the custodial parent receives the first CS payment. Believe me it is a slow and stressful procedure to get wage garnishment established. Also if the payor quits the job or gets fired, you have to start all over again with a new court order when you find out where the ex went to work. >sigh<

M. do you think some here are overlooking the very good possibility that Christine knew all along that Nicholas had left her, rather than mysteriously disappearing. If true, Christine is the one who created all the work the detectives had to do, not to mention the cost to the State, and scamming people who donated (to her) out of their money.
Some people only empathized with her because they thought something horrific had happened to Nicholas. Men walk away from their families everyday, sad as it is. If Christine knew Nicholas bolted, then she is the one who caused LE the time and expense, not Nicholas..even though he was wrong to walk away from his children. I think for most of us that have followed this case since the beginning this is what is sticking in our craw, yet people seem to overlook this detail, and give Christine a pass. :glare:

The true mystery was did Nicholas walk without warning, or did Christine know and/or suspect all along that he'd left her, and the reason why. After 7 years of marriage weren't there some clues? Why did she claim she had a fairy tale marriage, and all was well in their world?

I see some evil and darkness coming from both. My compassion is for the innocent children.

IMO

Thank you for that info N2. Your posts have been insightful and thought provoking and echo many of my own thoughts.

I've seen some very good and kind posts regarding Christine today. Urging her to go on and heal. Both SeattleEddie and AlicePalace said it eloquently and I hope that Christine does listen and take to heart what is being said.

I agree with you that others, like SilverDove and Casspian, should not read posts from those of us who they know do not share their views entirely. I'm not going to stop questioning, because I do believe that the mystery is not over. Like you, I believe the true mystery is did Nicholas walk away without warning or did Christine have an idea. And to what extent.

In the beginning of the case I stood back and gave Christine 100% benefit of the doubt. And, as I've posted before, slowly I saw behaviours/actions, words and lack of actions to be curious. I still find those things curious even though Nicholas has been found.

It doesn't make sense to me if Christine knew nothing of Nicholas' alleged secret life why she turned down free outdoor advertising, an opportunity to do a national TV magazine featuring Nicholas, and why within three weeks she said that she had to move on. According to what I believe we know now, what we are led to believe, she did not know of his alleged secret life until later than that.

Had Christine taken advantage of billboards, national TV show, at the time they were offered more than likely Nicholas would have been found much, much sooner. This, it would seem, could have caused her and the children much less pain especially in moving from their home. Possibly.

Nicholas should be responsible for paying back Washington State for the cost of his search. As a taxpayer here, I cannot believe that is not being pursued.

If Christine knew that Nicholas was going to leave her and she did not disclose that at the time, I believe she should, also, be responsible for costs to Washington State for an unnecessary search.

Thank you for opening dialogue, N2N. Many of us feel we still need to discuss this case and you have done that without flaming anyone or any emotional tirades. I appreciate that kind of dialogue.

IMO.
M.

[Postergeist]

I strongly believe there has been more than one victim in this now Closed Case.

It's truly the littlest and the most innocent that always tug at my heart.

Of course from the very beginning it has been young Zea and Noah and now little Malachi as children can't reason like an adult can try to do.

And there was one more-

Josie

that also can't reason like an adult can do, but was there to always give unconditional love, man's best friend- whose master abandoned him as well.

:crying:

[Miss Behavin]

Well...well...well. Thanks to the anonymous commenter on my blog, I will now have to write an update about this story; complete with Nicholas' mug shot!

[Shelby1]

Thank you for that info N2. Your posts have been insightful and thought provoking and echo many of my own thoughts.

I've seen some very good and kind posts regarding Christine today. Urging her to go on and heal. Both SeattleEddie and AlicePalace said it eloquently and I hope that Christine does listen and take to heart what is being said.

I agree with you that others, like SilverDove and Casspian, should not read posts from those of us who they know do not share their views entirely. I'm not going to stop questioning, because I do believe that the mystery is not over. Like you, I believe the true mystery is did Nicholas walk away without warning or did Christine have an idea. And to what extent.

In the beginning of the case I stood back and gave Christine 100% benefit of the doubt. And, as I've posted before, slowly I saw behaviours/actions, words and lack of actions to be curious. I still find those things curious even though Nicholas has been found.

It doesn't make sense to me if Christine knew nothing of Nicholas' alleged secret life why she turned down free outdoor advertising, an opportunity to do a national TV magazine featuring Nicholas, and why within three weeks she said that she had to move on. According to what I believe we know now, what we are led to believe, she did not know of his alleged secret life until later than that.

Had Christine taken advantage of billboards, national TV show, at the time they were offered more than likely Nicholas would have been found much, much sooner. This, it would seem, could have caused her and the children much less pain especially in moving from their home. Possibly.

Nicholas should be responsible for paying back Washington State for the cost of his search. As a taxpayer here, I cannot believe that is not being pursued.

If Christine knew that Nicholas was going to leave her and she did not disclose that at the time, I believe she should, also, be responsible for costs to Washington State for an unnecessary search.

Thank you for opening dialogue, N2N. Many of us feel we still need to discuss this case and you have done that without flaming anyone or any emotional tirades. I appreciate that kind of dialogue.

IMO.
M.

M, I so enjoy reading your posts. You may not always agree with different posters, but you always treat everyone with respect.

I agree with everything you just said.

[Casspian]

Well...well...well. Thanks to the anonymous commenter on my blog, I will now have to write an update about this story; complete with Nicholas' mug shot!

I really enjoyed the last visit to your blog

http://www.maneuveringmotherhood.com/2009/03/when-he-didnt-come-home.html

[AlicePalace]

Well...well...well. Thanks to the anonymous commenter on my blog, I will now have to write an update about this story; complete with Nicholas' mug shot!

Where is this mugshot photo? I couldn't find it linked on your blog.

[Shelby1]

Where is this mugshot photo? I couldn't find it linked on your blog.


I was wondering the same thing.