Neo-Nazi Immigration Rallies : Events Attract Larger Counter-Protests

[daniel green]

Anti-immigration rallies held by neo-Nazi groups in Arizona and Minnesota this weekend drew large counter-protests sometimes outnumbered the original protest. The counter-protests drew large numbers of residents who felt the need to confront the neo-Nazis: "I've never done anything like this before, but there's just so much racial tension in Phoenix lately," Wilcox said, as he held a sign that read "Nazis stay out of PHX." "I don't want it to seem like (they are) welcome here." [. . .]" The opposing rallies in Minnesota were shadowed by police officers and firemen on guard to quickly quell any disturbance. Three counter-protesters were arrested last month during a previous confrontation between the two groups.

Watch footage from the rally in Arizona below.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/09/neo-nazi-immigration-rall_n_350720.html

[cbhope]

Members of the National Socialist Movement, a neo-Nazi group based out of Detroit, were met with a greater number of protesters.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/11/07/20091107neonazi.html

Looks like they are members of a far left group. Interesting.....

[Lifeguard]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/09/neo-nazi-immigration-rall_n_350720.html

And they actually call themselves "Nazi's" Don't people remember the Second World War?

This is frightening, in 2009, I thought Americans were more tolerant and understanding, now that "political correctness" is supposed to be the rule of the land.

If someone doesn't see the rising number of "white power" groups as a problem in this nation, I guess they have their head in the sand, or they are a member of one of those "white power" groups, themselves.

Good for the counter protesters, acting in a "politically correct" way.

[Brat2002]

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/11/07/20091107neonazi.html

Looks like they are members of a far left group. Interesting.....

I'm not surprised that Huff'nPuff omitted an important fact, that this group of Neo-Nazis are called the National Socialist Movement. If anyone were to rely solely on their inept reporting, they might think that the group was RW and try to use the story to discredit the conservatives. Hmmmm. You can't blame Rush or the conservatives for any socialist group, now can ya? The leftist group has a right to conduct a stupid protest, and thankfully some reasonable people exercised their right as well.

IMO

[Lifeguard]

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/11/07/20091107neonazi.html

Looks like they are members of a far left group. Interesting.....

Could you clarify what and who you are stating are "members of a far left group"?

I don't see anything about that in the article, and if you REALLY REALLY mean to imply that Nazi's are "far left", you confuse us all.

Nazi's have been traditionally thought of as authoritarian, intolerant, and bigoted. There's no part of "the left" that resembles that. Even Germany considers their NeoNazi party part of the "far right".

"Far-Right Fears
New Push To Outlaw Germany's Neo-Nazi Party"

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,648086,00.html

[cbhope]

Could you clarify what and who you are stating are "members of a far left group"?

I don't see anything about that in the article, and if you REALLY REALLY mean to imply that Nazi's are "far left", you confuse us all.

Nazi's have been traditionally thought of as authoritarian, intolerant, and bigoted. There's no part of "the left" that resembles that. Even Germany considers their NeoNazi party part of the "far right".

"Far-Right Fears
New Push To Outlaw Germany's Neo-Nazi Party"

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,648086,00.html

Did you happen to see the subject group are the National SOCIALIST Party? As for the rest of your post it has nothing whatever to do with what I posted. Just pointing out the facts as they appear in the original article linked by the Huffpo.

[cbhope]

Personally, I have a problem with any group that is described as being "neo-Nazi" ... right wing, left wing, or in the middle.

I just noticed, Brat .... GREAT signature .... lol

jmo

I agree, Fairlady. With everything including the sig line for Brat. :thumbup:

[Lifeguard]

Did you happen to see the subject group are the National SOCIALIST Party? As for the rest of your post it has nothing whatever to do with what I posted. Just pointing out the facts as they appear in the original article linked by the Huffpo.

I have a couple books for you to read to upgrade your level of information on the history of the Nazi parties around the world and why they have been considered "right wing extremist" for 70 years.

"The Nazi Party is generally described as being at the extreme or far right of the left-right political axis. While the party incorporated elements from both left and right-wing politics, the Nazis formed most of their alliances on the right."

1)"Revolution from the Right: Fascism," chapter in David Parker (ed.) Revolutions and the Revolutionary Tradition in the West 1560-1991, Routledge, London.

2)Eatwell, Roger, "Fascism, A History", Viking/Penguin, 1996

If you need more, please let me know, I have a list of good history and political science books to help you out.

[Susan43]

Did you happen to see the subject group are the National SOCIALIST Party? As for the rest of your post it has nothing whatever to do with what I posted. Just pointing out the facts as they appear in the original article linked by the Huffpo.

Here is what is happening with the "socialist" word. The right is calling the left socialists without having any true understanding of the history of the word. In fact it is what the Nazi's called themselves and they were by no stretch of the imagination leftists.

National Socialism is a political term that is both vague and ambiguous. As the name suggests, features of nationalism and socialism are combined and interrelated to form an overall National Socialist ideology, although the combination process is neither obvious nor straightforward. The term most typically refers to Nazism, which was the ideology of the German Nazi Party (National Socialist German Workers' Party, or Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP)), which was led by Adolf Hitler.

As a generic concept, National Socialism opposes capitalism, communism, democratic socialism and liberalism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialism

[cbhope]

I have a couple books for you to read to upgrade your level of information on the history of the Nazi parties around the world and why they have been considered "right wing extremist" for 70 years.
<snip>.

I need no history lessons but you apparently need to upgrade your level of information regarding hate groups. They come in all shapes, sizes, colors, religions and politics. The subject of this thread is a group that is from the Socialist party and were labeled as "neo Nazis" not by me rather by the media. You may wish to read the links that Daniel and I both posted to keep up with the current topic of the thread and not be led astray by historical references of a particular label.

[Susan43]

I need no history lessons but you apparently need to upgrade your level of information regarding hate groups. They come in all shapes, sizes, colors, religions and politics. The subject of this thread is a group that is from the Socialist party and were labeled as "neo Nazis" not by me rather by the media. You may wish to read the links that Daniel and I both posted to keep up with the current topic of the thread and not be led astray by historical references of a particular label.

You were the one that said that the National Socialists are part of the left and they are NOT! Just because people on the right would like to label the left as socialists doesn't make it true. But what's kind of funny is that the national socialists are from the right...fringe right it's true, but they are not leftists. And they were labeled "neo Nazis" because they were for white power and were wearing swastikas.

[Lifeguard]

Here is what is happening with the "socialist" word. The right is calling the left socialists without having any true understanding of the history of the word. In fact it is what the Nazi's called themselves and they were by no stretch of the imagination leftists.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialism

Thanks, Susan for your well-informed materials and link.

These revisionists, along with the uninformed, who consider Nazi's "left wing", sometimes amaze me.

[Susan43]

Thanks, Susan for your well-informed materials and link.

These revisionists, along with the uninformed, who consider Nazi's "left wing", sometimes amaze me.

YVW LG. Unbelievable is what I call it. The right calls the left a name and then uses that name from a far RW group to say they are leftists. Honest to God, they believe their own BS and then try and use it against us. It's just disgusting.

I'm delighted that the people of MN and AZ spoke up and counter protested.

[Susan43]

wikipedia, no need to go any further.

That's right, can't refute the facts so go against the website. If you have any info that the facts I posted are incorrect, please post them.

[MercedesV]

Neo Nazi groups are about as left and liberal as Sarah Palin is.

I'm glad to see the counter protests take place, people to step up and speak out against any form of Nazi group. Been seeing to much Nazi stuff lately.

[Susan43]

Neo Nazi groups are about as left and liberal as Sarah Palin is.

I'm glad to see the counter protests take place, people to step up and speak out against any form of Nazi group. Been seeing to much Nazi stuff lately.

I wish more people were educated about the Nazi's and Neonazis. I can't understand any American supporting their philosophy or accusing someone of being one.

[LauraRose]

I'm not surprised that Huff'nPuff omitted an important fact, that this group of Neo-Nazis are called the National Socialist Movement. If anyone were to rely solely on their inept reporting, they might think that the group was RW and try to use the story to discredit the conservatives. Hmmmm. You can't blame Rush or the conservatives for any socialist group, now can ya? The leftist group has a right to conduct a stupid protest, and thankfully some reasonable people exercised their right as well.

IMO

I actually cringed before reading this thread because I acutally thought that Neo-Nazi was indeed RW or Conv. movement. Boy do I feel sheepish:blushing: But I was curious....So I read on....

Never heard of a National Socialist Movement before.

LauraR

[Susan43]

I actually cringed before reading this thread because I acutally thought that Neo-Nazi was indeed RW or Conv. movement. Boy do I feel sheepish:blushing: But I was curious....So I read on....

Never heard of a National Socialist Movement before.
LauraR


Sure you have Laura, the National Socialist Movement is the Nazis or as they are now called the Neo-Nazis. And they are RW.

http://www.nsm88.org/

[snookums1]

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/11/07/20091107neonazi.html

Looks like they are members of a far left group. Interesting.....

How do you figure that when Neo Nazi groups are rightwing groups? Are you saying that the far left is now part of the rightwing movement?

[snookums1]

Did you happen to see the subject group are the National SOCIALIST Party? As for the rest of your post it has nothing whatever to do with what I posted. Just pointing out the facts as they appear in the original article linked by the Huffpo. This is from the website of one of the neo nazi groups you are claiming represent Obama and the left.

Resistance to the Obamanation continues to grow, and Stormfront is getting record numbers of visitors, over 100,000 a day now. We'd be getting even more, but our three servers have been overloaded, with pages loading slowly or not at all. Thanks to our Sustaining Members, we've ordered three new high-end servers and will be migrating over the next few days. There will be a few hours downtime, but the new setup should be able to handle our ever increasing traffic, along with new features like video hosting, for the next few months.

And here is a post from one of their members.
Neo-Nazi origin seen in flyers distributed in Southeast Decatur

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Residents along at least one Southeast Decatur street received flyers Sunday targeting blacks and Jews.

Inside a plastic bag weighted with rocks, the flyers questioned the intelligence of blacks and their place in modern society. They also called Jews greedy and too powerful.

Resident Julie Pike said she returned from a service at Central United Methodist Church on Sunday to find the flyers. Her daughters picked them up.

"They were just hateful," Ms. Pike said. "It was not something children should pick up."

Marilyn Jones, who lives on the same street, said someone threw the bags intermittently throughout the neighborhood. Upon finding the bag, Ms. Jones threw it away.

According to the flyers, their content is quoted from William L. Pierce's book "The Roots of Civilization." National Vanguard Books in Hillsboro, W.Va., printed the book.

The printing company falls under the National Alliance, also based in West Virginia.

The DAILY called an Athens telephone number listed on a flyer and received an answering machine for the Alabama Chapter of the National Alliance.

The message said, "We are only 8 percent of the world population. If we don't stand with and for each other, who will?"

The alliance is a neo-Nazi organization, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Mrs. Pike said the flyers were inappropriate, hateful and dangerous.

"It was as stupid as can possibly be," she said. "They made it look like a scientific study, but it was really propaganda."

Decatur police received two reports from residents in the 1800 block of North Street Southeast. The flyers did not break any law, police said, except possibly littering.


http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturd...7/flyers.shtml
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RAHOWA! This Planet Is Ours!

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=8019 I hate to tell you, but the neo nazi, socialist groups are all RIGHTWING that hate liberals.

[snookums1]

Sure you have Laura, the National Socialist Movement is the Nazis or as they are now called the Neo-Nazis. And they are RW.

http://www.nsm88.org/ And always have been.

[snookums1]

What is a Skinhead?

Editor's note--This factsheet describes neo-Nazi skinheads. There are numerous individuals and groups also using the tag of "skinheads" who are not involved in white supremacist or otherwise authoritarian and elitist activities.

The Skinheads are an authoritarian youth movement which sanctifies violence as means to achieve political domination. Their political objectives are a jumble of slogans: defending the �white race� and building white pride. They are open in their expressions of anti-black, anti-gay, anti-Jewish, anti-Hispanic, anti-Asian, and anti-immigrant attitudes
http://www.prejudiceinstitute.org/skinheadsFS.html Sure does not sound like they would consider themselves liberal.

[daniel green]

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/11/07/20091107neonazi.html

Looks like they are members of a far left group. Interesting.....

HUH? :confused:

Neo-nazi groups are certainly not "far left" groups of any kind.

[theal3]

I wish more people were educated about the Nazi's and Neonazis. I can't understand any American supporting their philosophy or accusing someone of being one.
Yes, thx for your well informed post above Susan, ITA, I sometimes think more than I thought sure didn't like sitting in history class and learning all that "stuff." Ya, know like "algebra, " also, thinking: I'll never have to use THAT later in life. It's beyond belief how ill informed some of the right, conservative protesters are about the words socialist, nazi etc. IMHO. Is Social Security bad, too, and leftest? If ones goes to an ice-ceam social, is that far left? If you go to the social hour before any American event or dinner etc: is that Nazist? And knowledge of Germany and how that all developed and the terminology used is really lacking. And, they call themselves "Patriots." It defies reason. It's like the clip I saw of a protester carrying her anti-czar sign, and when asked by the reporter why she was protesting admin. "czars," she said: cause, we are a democracy and don't have czars running our country, that's what Russia does, it's communism. Obama has surrounded himself with communists. I want my country back....."

[daniel green]

Did you happen to see the subject group are the National SOCIALIST Party? As for the rest of your post it has nothing whatever to do with what I posted. Just pointing out the facts as they appear in the original article linked by the Huffpo.

Oh, I get it. You thought socialist=far left. :blushing:

Hitler's politcal party was the National Socialist German Workers Party.

See why these neo-nazis used that name for their hate group?

[snookums1]

Right-Wing Racist Terrorist Neo-Nazi Extremists Infiltrate U.S. Military

http://itsyourtimes.com/?q=node/4513

1974
· Gary "Gerhard" Lauck, an American with a put-on German accent and Hitlerite moustache, founds the NSDAP/AO (the German language acronym for National Socialist German Workers Party/Overseas Organization) after being expelled from Germany for giving a pro-Hitler speech.

For two decades, Lauck's tiny Lincoln, Neb.-based group will print up to 8 million pieces of German-language neo-Nazi propaganda a year for smuggling into Germany. A key German neo-Nazi leader will later characterize Lauck as "the center of a world-wide umbrella organization with which practically every neo-Nazi had contact."

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=176

[Susan43]

HUH? :confused:

Neo-nazi groups are certainly not "far left" groups of any kind.

What you and Snooks are both missing is that the leaders on the right have said that we lefties are "socialists." Right? So if the name of the Nazis is National Socialists, they must be lefties. They have NO understanding of the word in the first place but if someone uses it, because they have called us by that name, then they must be lefties. Got it?

I think there are lefties that might be socialists but I don't think the word applies to most of us. But even if some leftie is a socialist, it doesn't make them a Nazi. The Nazis are a breed apart IMO.

[daniel green]

I need no history lessons but you apparently need to upgrade your level of information regarding hate groups. They come in all shapes, sizes, colors, religions and politics. The subject of this thread is a group that is from the Socialist party and were labeled as "neo Nazis" not by me rather by the media. snipped.

Oh, gosh, that is just, well, so totally incorrect. :huh:

[Susan43]

Yes, thx for your well informed post above Susan, ITA, I sometimes think more than I thought sure didn't like sitting in history class and learning all that "stuff." Ya, know like "algebra, " also, thinking: I'll never have to use THAT later in life. It's beyond belief how ill informed some of the right, conservative protesters are about the words socialist, nazi etc. IMHO. Is Social Security bad, too, and leftest? If ones goes to an ice-ceam social, is that far left? If you go to the social hour before any American event or dinner etc: is that Nazist? And knowledge of Germany and how that all developed and the terminology used is really lacking. And, they call themselves "Patriots." It defies reason. It's like the clip I saw of a protester carrying her anti-czar sign, and when asked by the reporter why she was protesting admin. "czars," she said: cause, we are a democracy and don't have czars running our country, that's what Russia does, it's communism. Obama has surrounded himself with communists. I want my country back....."

I know...the ignorance is sometimes just infuriating. Especially in this day and age of the computer.

But this particular issue really tees me off. I don't know any Nazis nor do I want to and I'll bet I speak for close to 100% of the lefties.

[daniel green]

snipped
Never heard of a National Socialist Movement before.

LauraR

Of course you have. It was the name of Hitler's political party.

[snookums1]

What you and Snooks are both missing is that the leaders on the right have said that we lefties are "socialists." Right? So if the name of the Nazis is National Socialists, they must be lefties. They have NO understanding of the word in the first place but if someone uses it, because they have called us by that name, then they must be lefties. Got it?

I think there are lefties that might be socialists but I don't think the word applies to most of us. But even if some leftie is a socialist, it doesn't make them a Nazi. The Nazis are a breed apart IMO. Oh, I got it Susan. The ironic thing is that the very thing they scream Obama is going to bring about in this country IE a socialist nation, has been a part of them for years. And they had no clue.

[daniel green]

Exactly. Typical of souces that troll in order to find anything, no matter how ridiculous, in order to stoke the "outrage" in the people they are pandering to. The sad thing is this kind of thing wouldn't work if you didn't have people who are so willing to buy into any nonsense as long as they thing it bolsters their rigid views.

You are not outraged by this group? :scared:

[daniel green]

What you and Snooks are both missing is that the leaders on the right have said that we lefties are "socialists." Right? So if the name of the Nazis is National Socialists, they must be lefties. snipped.

I didn't miss it. I just hoped I was wrong and that it was not the socialist word that made anyone think it was a left group. :blushing:

Because certainly everyone knows the name of Hitler's party.

[Susan43]

I didn't miss it. I just hoped I was wrong and that it was not the socialist word that made anyone think it was a left group. :blushing:

Because certainly everyone knows the name of Hitler's party.

Of course some do, which is why I'm sure, they were yelling "Nazi" at the meeting the other day. Don't you find it amazing they would yell out the name of a RW group?

[daniel green]

The terms extreme right or ultra right are used by some scholars to discuss only those right-wing political groups that step outside the boundaries of traditional electoral politics. This generally includes the revolutionary right, militant racial supremacists and religious extremists, neo-fascists, neo-Nazis and Klansmen.

Neo-fascists and neo-Nazis are usually labeled extreme right or ultra right. Such groups are generally revolutionary in character rather than reformist. Neo-Nazi and Neo-fascist literally means "new Nazi" and "new fascist", implying that they are from the period following World War II.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_right

[snookums1]

I didn't miss it. I just hoped I was wrong and that it was not the socialist word that made anyone think it was a left group. :blushing:

Because certainly everyone knows the name of Hitler's party. And it is why neo Nazis call themselves by that name. And like Hitler, they hate anyone that is not pure white and of a certain ideology. Immigrant? hate Black? hate Jewish? hate The rich are superior and then there is a worker class that only gets bread because that is all they deserve. Their function is to supply the rich, not the other way around.

[~live4love~]

I am absolutly ASTOUNDED at the ignorance in regards to World History on this board....unbelieveable...to think that the NSM is a left wing group because of the word SOCIALIST...eeee gads !! :read:

I am also sad to see the resurgence of these groups in the US....we have them here too ! Scary !

JMO

L4L

[Lifeguard]

I am absolutly ASTOUNDED at the ignorance in regards to World History on this board....unbelieveable...to think that the NSM is a left wing group because of the word SOCIALIST...eeee gads !! :read:

I am also sad to see the resurgence of these groups in the US....we have them here too ! Scary !

JMO

L4L

So I think you are in Canada, right? These hate groups are worldwide and no nation is proud of them, even Germany is trying to eliminate them.

[daniel green]

National Socialist Movement Southern Minnesota branch held a banner near the George Washington statue on Main Street while Austin member Samuel Johnson delivered an hour-long speech on the dangers of illegal immigration. His audience consisted of two people who sat quietly across the street and did not want to be named. Others who heard the talk included 13 uniformed police officers, including chief Paul Philipp, Mower County Sheriff Terese Amazi and four firefighters, including chief Dan Wilson. The firefighters manned a large fire hose. Austin Mayor Tom Stiehm, who observed the event from the courthouse roof with a few other officials, was happy with the result.

"I think it is great," he said. "Nobody showed up. It couldn't be better."

http://www.postbulletin.com/newsmanager/templates/localnews_story.asp?z=2&a=424557

[Susan43]

So I think you are in Canada, right? These hate groups are worldwide and no nation is proud of them, even Germany is trying to eliminate them.

I had always thought that Germany outlawed Nazism. But reading this I just feel confused. I guess some things about nazism is outlawed while others aren't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism#Germany

[LauraRose]

Sure you have Laura, the National Socialist Movement is the Nazis or as they are now called the Neo-Nazis. And they are RW.

http://www.nsm88.org/


No Sue, sincerely, I was ignorant in that area of politics, the idea of Socialism really never occurred to me until this year. Clearly, I can smell it a mile away.

Thanks for the link....

:biggrin: LauraR

[Lifeguard]

I had always thought that Germany outlawed Nazism. But reading this I just feel confused. I guess some things about nazism is outlawed while others aren't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism#Germany

Harm or threatening harm to other citizens is prohibited by law in Germany.

In the USA, a member of the US House of Representatives, Republican Michelle Bachmann, herself of German heritage, is allowed to threaten other members of the US House, with her intimidation in public statements. Indeed she stands with the Minority Leader of the US House, Mr Boehner, also a German name, as she issues these threats. To me, as with many Holocaust survivors, this is reminiscent of Germany in 1939, on this very day, when Jewish people were more than threatened, they were arrested.

Were she in Germany, speaking about her fellow members of the "Bund", she would be arrested for her comments, and probably convicted and jailed......likewise in the UK, or several other nations....publicly threatening and intimidating members of the congressional body of the nation is a crime from Sweden to South Africa. Only Michelle and her supporters get away with doing it over and over.

Maybe we citizens should introduce legislation to forbid those congresspeople from keeping their salaries, their government provided health care, if they ever puclicly threaten or intimidate other members of the House or Senate. They can keep their jobs but not be paid, just make fools of themselves for the rest of their term.

[Susan43]

No Sue, sincerely, I was ignorant in that area of politics, the idea of Socialism really never occurred to me until this year. Clearly, I can smell it a mile away.

Thanks for the link....

:biggrin: LauraR

YVW Laura. I honestly thought everyone knew that the Nazis called themselves the National Socialists. Why do you think we lefties get so disgusted when the right has the nerve to call us those names like that?

[Susan43]

Harm or threatening harm to other citizens is prohibited by law in Germany.

In the USA, a member of the US House of Representatives, Republican Michelle Bachmann, herself of German heritage, is allowed to threaten other members of the US House, with her intimidation in public statements. Indeed she stands with the Minority Leader of the US House, Mr Boehner, also a German name, as she issues these threats. To me, as with many Holocaust survivors, this is reminiscent of Germany in 1939, on this very day, when Jewish people were more than threatened, they were arrested.

Were she in Germany, speaking about her fellow members of the "Bund", she would be arrested for her comments, and probably convicted and jailed......likewise in the UK, or several other nations....publicly threatening and intimidating members of the congressional body of the nation is a crime from Sweden to South Africa. Only Michelle and her supporters get away with doing it over and over.

Maybe we citizens should introduce legislation to forbid those congresspeople from keeping their salaries, their government provided health care, if they ever puclicly threaten or intimidate other members of the House or Senate. They can keep their jobs but not be paid, just make fools of themselves for the rest of their term.

LOL Just make them work for free huh? That's pretty funny but I can think of several critters I'd rather pay to stay away then force them to work for free.

I just wish there was a way we could fine them when they tell lies. If caught lying they would have to pay a $500 fine. LOL Now that I could really get behind.

[Briar]

Personally, I have a problem with any group that is described as being "neo-Nazi" ... right wing, left wing, or in the middle.

I just noticed, Brat .... GREAT signature .... lol

jmo

ITA with your post Fairlady, right down to the appreciation of Brat's signature. I can't help but think of all of the horrible murders and atrocities that have been committed since Hitler's time and they search the homes or rooms of the murderers only to find that these people idolize Hitler. And remember that Charles Manson taught his 'Family' of an Armageddon that only he and his followers would survive making a super race. Not to mention the swastika tattooed on his forehead. I think the tolerance of our country has regressed. It's scary. IMHO.

[Lifeguard]

LOL Just make them work for free huh? That's pretty funny but I can think of several critters I'd rather pay to stay away then force them to work for free.

I just wish there was a way we could fine them when they tell lies. If caught lying they would have to pay a $500 fine. LOL Now that I could really get behind.

Susan, that's the best idea I have heard of. At that rate, George W Bush and all the Republicans in Congress would have paid off the entire US deficit with each $500 fine! LOL

[~live4love~]

YVW Laura. I honestly thought everyone knew that the Nazis called themselves the National Socialists. Why do you think we lefties get so disgusted when the right has the nerve to call us those names like that?


Susan...you don't really think that socialists on the left have anything to do with Nazism do you ? There are MANY different meanings to the term Socialist. Here in Canada we are democratic socialists...the qualifer makes all the difference as well !


Types of socialism
The term "Nazism" is an abbreviation for "National Socialism", and the Nazis described their views as "socialist",[14] though they strongly rejected Marxism and communism, calling them "Jewish ideologies". Whether the word "socialism" in "National Socialism" was a correct description or merely propaganda meant to attract the votes of workers is a matter of debate, and different authors have reached different conclusions. Conan Fischer argues that the Nazis were sincere in their use of the adjective "socialist", but they believed it to be inseparable from the adjective "national" and meant it as a socialism of the master race, rather than the socialism of the "underprivileged and oppressed seeking justice and equal rights".[15] On the other hand, Henry A. Turner argues that Adolf Hitler was a convinced anti-socialist and that the Nazis were merely nationalists using the adjective "socialist" out of convenience.[16]



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_socialism#National_Socialism_.28Nazism.29

JMO

L4L

[~live4love~]

So I think you are in Canada, right? These hate groups are worldwide and no nation is proud of them, even Germany is trying to eliminate them.

Hi there Lifeguard ! Yes...in Canada...many HATE groups here as well although it's harder for them to spew their hate up here because of our hate speech laws.

JMO

L4L

[Carol25]

Harm or threatening harm to other citizens is prohibited by law in Germany.

In the USA, a member of the US House of Representatives, Republican Michelle Bachmann, herself of German heritage, is allowed to threaten other members of the US House, with her intimidation in public statements. Indeed she stands with the Minority Leader of the US House, Mr Boehner, also a German name, as she issues these threats. To me, as with many Holocaust survivors, this is reminiscent of Germany in 1939, on this very day, when Jewish people were more than threatened, they were arrested.

Were she in Germany, speaking about her fellow members of the "Bund", she would be arrested for her comments, and probably convicted and jailed......likewise in the UK, or several other nations....publicly threatening and intimidating members of the congressional body of the nation is a crime from Sweden to South Africa. Only Michelle and her supporters get away with doing it over and over.

Maybe we citizens should introduce legislation to forbid those congresspeople from keeping their salaries, their government provided health care, if they ever puclicly threaten or intimidate other members of the House or Senate. They can keep their jobs but not be paid, just make fools of themselves for the rest of their term.

Have the legislation cover the executive branch as well. See if anyone is left standing.