Patricia Kimmi, 58, Horton, KS, 11/06/09

[MissouriGMom]

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/news/local/story/Foul-Play-Suspected-in-Woman-s-Disappearance/K2yvR_AunkmOB9EmrhlAnA.cspx

Foul Play Suspected in Woman’s Disappearance

HORTON, Kan. – Investigators believe a woman was forcefully taken from her home and that woman’s daughter is telling her mother to hold on.

“Keep waiting,” Rita Kimmi said Sunday night, “Cause we’ll find you.”

Rita’s mother, 58-year-old Patricia Kimmi, has not been seen or heard from since Friday.

[Kip]

Hope she's found soon. There's an ex-husband in the picture, but not too much other information.

[darcie]

http://www.kctv5.com/news/21555792/detail.html

HORTON, Kan. -- Atchison County Sheriff's officials suspect foul play in the case of a woman missing since Friday.


:sad:

[AJandTam]

http://www.kctv5.com/news/21555792/detail.html

HORTON, Kan. -- Atchison County Sheriff's officials suspect foul play in the case of a woman missing since Friday.


:sad:

W/a women that age and nothing missing. It's most likely domestically related. IMHO..

[MissouriGMom]

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/news/local/story/Foul-Play-Suspected-in-Woman-s-Disappearance/K2yvR_AunkmOB9EmrhlAnA.cspx


"The evidence we have we believe is going to be associated with the missing body of Patricia Kimmie,” said Sheriff John Calhoun. “Until the body is recovered there is hope she is alive.



"In the past hour, we uncovered another piece of evidence that believe that is going to support that foul play was involved,” Calhoun said just before 11 a.m. Monday. “We continue to recover evidentiary items that cause us great concern.”

[Kip]

"The evidence we have we believe is going to be associated with the missing body of Patricia Kimmie,” said Sheriff John Calhoun. “Until the body is recovered there is hope she is alive.

That's kind of a creepy statement.

[MissouriGMom]

"The evidence we have we believe is going to be associated with the missing body of Patricia Kimmie,” said Sheriff John Calhoun. “Until the body is recovered there is hope she is alive.

That's kind of a creepy statement.

I thought so, too. It sure wasn't worded right, at the very least.

[2Hope4]

One of those articles said everyone is a suspect right now. Ex-husband had been interviewed, but not arrested. Daughter states she typically talked to her mulitple times a day. Last known alive Friday evening on video security camera in town. Not seen, or heard from since.

Hoping for her safe return. Praying for her and her family/friends.

Sure would like to know some of the evidence that makes the LE think foul play. No evidence has been released that I read.

[MissouriGMom]

Just heard on the local news that they found her dentures on the side of the road near her home. No suspects yet.

[n/t]

Atchison County woman may have been abducted

Authorities are looking for a woman feared to have been taken from her rural Atchison County home.

Patricia Kimmi, 58, was reported missing Saturday, Atchison County Sheriff John Calhoon said. He said authorities believe Kimmi was “forcefully removed” from her home near Horton sometime Friday evening, but he declined to discuss what led to that conclusion.

Kimmi is white with brown hair and blue eyes, 5 feet 6 inches tall and about 160 pounds.

Anyone with information on her whereabouts should call Atchison County sheriff’s dispatchers at 913-367-4323




http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/1557574.html

[n/t]

Just heard on the local news that they found her dentures on the side of the road near her home. No suspects yet.

Here's the link to the finding of her partial dentures.

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The discovery of Kimmi's partial dentures during an early morning search on Monday was somber news. Atchison County Sheriff John Calhoon said the dentures along with previous evidence suggest that Kimmi received several injuries when she was taken from her home.

http://www.ksnt.com/news/local/story/The-search-continues-for-missing-Horton-woman/rk1vx3VSVkWQUXg85hCKUQ.cspx

[MissouriGMom]

On Thursday, investigators said they have identified a vehicle of interest in the case. It was described as a large dark or red pickup truck, possibly with dual wheels.

The truck was last seen in the area of 1595 326th Road in rural Horton on Friday, Nov. 6.

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/content/news/crime/story/Assistance-Sought-in-Missing-Woman-Case/-znJx0ipRkKY34s3LYmB_Q.cspx

[Kip]

Pictures of money clip and hat found near where Patricia disappeared:

http://www.kmbc.com/news/21612262/detail.html

[omsk99]

"Atchison County Sheriff John Calhoon said the Northeast Kansas Major Case Squad is following up on and developing leads. However, Kansas Highway Patrol Technical Trooper Tim McCool said there hasn't been a good lead in a couple days, and on Tuesday the major case squad board of directors will determine how to proceed with its personnel involvement in the case."

http://cjonline.com/news/local/2009-11-16/atchison_co_woman_still_missing

http://www.stjoenews.net/news/2009/nov/17/sheriffs-office-still-seeks-missing-kansas-woman/?local

[omsk99]

Family Offers Reward For Missing Woman
http://www.wibw.com/localnews/headlines/70573557.html

Reward increased in case of missing Atchison woman
http://www.hdnews.net/apksstory/j1062-BC-KS-MissingKanWoman-11-20-0157

[leema24]

Search Continues For Atchison Co. Woman
http://www.kctv5.com/news/21693336/detail.html

[Amy]

Thanks for the update. Sure hope they find something soon.

[dreamtime]

fwiw:
On websleuths, Patricia's daughter and son are posting.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Album added for Patricia Kimmi, work in progress,
I am catching up on the case.



http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Patricia%20Kimmi/

[omsk99]

Album added for Patricia Kimmi, work in progress,
I am catching up on the case.



http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Patricia%20Kimmi/

Thank you for putting this together - as always! :seeya:

[donna]

I am sure I will be blasted for stating this, but sometimes a family member posting so much is not really a good thing. I have read the daughters posts over at WS and just ache for she and Patricia's family. BUT, the whole thread is taken over by the families posts and I do not feel comfortable asking certain questions over there.

What I would like to know is if Patricia ever went to casinos in the area. Did she ever talk with anyone there? I live within 100 miles of several casinos and know that people are very friendly with each other in that atmosphere. I have taken my elderly mother to a casino (years ago) to play slots because she and her friends loved to play. There was a guy approximately her age that came and sat down beside her at a machine and was too friendly. We moved to another area. So did Patricia and her friends ever frequent an area casino? Was anyone ever overly friendly to her there?

There are actually senior centers in my area that take seniors to a casino on a day trip. Religion wouldn't have anything to do with Patricia not going to casinos. Her religion is not one that doesn't believe in it because they do have bingo.

I know the family means well in answering all posts, but sometimes it does get in the way of real sleuthing. Also; the family really does believe that Patricia would have told them everything in her life. Well, I beg to differ with that. I certainly do not always tell my children everything and my mother certainly never told me of every aspect of her life.

Please know that I am not blasting the family. I want Patricia Kimmi to be found. I just do not see how her daughter could so believe that Patricia would have never opened the door to anyone or even to her ex-husband. Her ex-husband could have said something to her that caused her to open the door to him. Someone could have knoocked on the door telling her that her donkey had gotten out and was on the road. THAT would probably make her open the door.

IDK. This case is so strange. I do hope LE in that area has enough experience to handle this case. They COULD ask for assistance from the FBI or neighboring authorities and will not. I think LE in that area needs help with this case.

Sorry for the long post. My thoughts and prayers do go out to this family and I hope there is a resolution for them soon.


JMO

[donna]

I also just have to add that the baseball cap and money clip may not have been lost that particular night. Yet the family is emphasizing those two items. Well, what if someone lost those items at another time? What if the baseball cap belonged to one person and the money clip to another?

It would be dangerous to state with certainty that these two items belonged to the abductor if indeed they didn't. These were items that were found during the search. The baseball clip looks weathered to me. There is no way to know how long it had been there.

The money clip could have been lost a long time ago.

When someone demands that these two items has to be connected to Patricia Kimmi's disappearance, then they may be actually harming the process rather than helping. What if a woman did this? Should no one look at a woman because of these items? So now every guy who normally wears a camo baseball cap is suspect? Or wears a camo cap and drives a truck?

And to absolutely insist that Patricia Kimmi would not open the door to anyone? How can they know what a person would do in a certain situation? They can't, imo.

Sometimes a set in stone mindset can hinder rather than help. And LE needs some help on this case from other LE because they have certainly gotten nowhere fast on this one. Why not drag the lakes in the area or have divers in?

Well, I do hope that Patricia Kimmi will be located. I still think the exhusband or the exhusband's girlfriend is responsible.

MOO

[Amy]

As for the investigation, it seems that LE has not put the cap and clip in the absolute category. The last I read, it was said they hope these will be clues that will lead them to Patricia. So, even if the family insists these are clues, it sounds like LE are not yet sure.

[donna]

As for the investigation, it seems that LE has not put the cap and clip in the absolute category. The last I read, it was said they hope these will be clues that will lead them to Patricia. So, even if the family insists these are clues, it sounds like LE are not yet sure.

Thank you, Amy. Then why is the family absolutely insisting that the cap and money clip are in the absolute category?

GB this family. I know they are going through he!!, and I am so sorry for them. I know they all have to be exhausted by now and all of this probably seems like a nightmare they cannot wake up from.

It is just that no matter what scenario is suggested to them it is met with a "NO" answer. They have faith in the community members. I can understand that, but there is no community that doesn't have some bad apples. There is no church without at least one or two questionable members. So according to the family, no friends could have caused the disappearance. No one in the community could have caused this disappearance. No one in the church could have caused this disappearance.

I give up. I hope to come on here one day and read that Patricia Kimmi has been found.

MOO

[dreamtime]

WS posts by daughter says that LE feels sure cap and money clip are related to Patricia Kimmi's abduction. It seems LE has some kind of proof, but are not sharing it with the public.

Waterways have not been searched by divers, but planes have flown over and been able to see into certain bodies of water.

Although family cannot think of anyone Patricia would open a door to, most obviously she did. The door was standing open the next morning when family checked on her. Evidence of a violent struggle on the porch and yard area. And then evidence that Patricia got away from her abductor, at the area where her partial dentures were found.

TES is expected to arrive in Horton and do a search.
They plan to do a more thorough search in water.
Currently, they are in OK, searching for Gary Arrington.
There is a big snowstorm in KS right now.

IMO: This was not a home invasion or random robbery attempt, this was personal.
I pray that Patricia Kimmi is found soon.

[taylork96]

Thank you, Amy. Then why is the family absolutely insisting that the cap and money clip are in the absolute category?

GB this family. I know they are going through he!!, and I am so sorry for them. I know they all have to be exhausted by now and all of this probably seems like a nightmare they cannot wake up from.

It is just that no matter what scenario is suggested to them it is met with a "NO" answer. They have faith in the community members. I can understand that, but there is no community that doesn't have some bad apples. There is no church without at least one or two questionable members. So according to the family, no friends could have caused the disappearance. No one in the community could have caused this disappearance. No one in the church could have caused this disappearance.

I give up. I hope to come on here one day and read that Patricia Kimmi has been found.

MOO

I am the son of Patricia Kimmi and I am glad you give up, because we never will. My sister & two brothers found the evidence that LE has. There are a lot more things that you people don't KNOW as far as the evidence that was there. As far as her opening the door, she would have NOT of opened it to someone she did not know until she had one of us kids on the phone at the time. We do believe she known the person(s). And I am sorry your mother doesn't tell you everything, BUT our mom and us kids have a very close & tight faithful relationship. SHE TOLD US EVERYTHING! We do not believe we have a "Perfect & Honest Community", we just know there are a lot of very caring people that has helped us search for our mother. Even people we don't even know or knew her. It has not just effected us, but everyone around.

We do appreciate all the prayers from everyone. Hopefully one day soon, we will be able to bring her home & have answers & closure.

[Kip]

taylork96, I hope and pray your mother will be found soon.

If your mother would only open the door to someone she knew, that at least narrows the suspect pool quite a bit.

[2Hope4]

I am the son of Patricia Kimmi and I am glad you give up, because we never will. My sister & two brothers found the evidence that LE has. There are a lot more things that you people don't KNOW as far as the evidence that was there. As far as her opening the door, she would have NOT of opened it to someone she did not know until she had one of us kids on the phone at the time. We do believe she known the person(s). And I am sorry your mother doesn't tell you everything, BUT our mom and us kids have a very close & tight faithful relationship. SHE TOLD US EVERYTHING! We do not believe we have a "Perfect & Honest Community", we just know there are a lot of very caring people that has helped us search for our mother. Even people we don't even know or knew her. It has not just effected us, but everyone around.

We do appreciate all the prayers from everyone. Hopefully one day soon, we will be able to bring her home & have answers & closure.


My prayers for you and your family.

I wonder if she opened the door to let the dog in, and someone pushed their way into her home then? I know I don't always go outside to get my dogs, I just open the door and they come in. Could your Mom have done that? Or heard the dog barking, and thought the dog was barking to come back inside, when instead the dog was barking because someone was out there?

Such a sad case! I pray your family gets some answers soon! I pray you find your Mom soon, and whoever did this is punished. But most important, I just pray you find your Mom.

[Shelby1]

I check every day hoping to hear good news. My prayers are with you and your family. Maybe we'll have a Christmas miracle!

[AmndaRcknwth]

I am the son of Patricia Kimmi and I am glad you give up, because we never will. My sister & two brothers found the evidence that LE has. There are a lot more things that you people don't KNOW as far as the evidence that was there. As far as her opening the door, she would have NOT of opened it to someone she did not know until she had one of us kids on the phone at the time. We do believe she known the person(s). And I am sorry your mother doesn't tell you everything, BUT our mom and us kids have a very close & tight faithful relationship. SHE TOLD US EVERYTHING! We do not believe we have a "Perfect & Honest Community", we just know there are a lot of very caring people that has helped us search for our mother. Even people we don't even know or knew her. It has not just effected us, but everyone around.

We do appreciate all the prayers from everyone. Hopefully one day soon, we will be able to bring her home & have answers & closure.

From your nic, it's an easy guess that you are Taylors Dad.
I would say all of us are sorry for what you have to go through, and we wish you nothing but the best in your quest to find out what happened to your Mom. She seems like the kind of person I'd want as a friend.

The thing about these crime boards is... we've been following cases since wayyy back when, and we are opinionated. It is meant as no harm to the family of the missing, in most cases. Please know that.

I hope answers will come. God Bless you, I know your family has faith.

[Riverwalk!]

From your nic, it's an easy guess that you are Taylors Dad.
I would say all of us are sorry for what you have to go through, and we wish you nothing but the best in your quest to find out what happened to your Mom. She seems like the kind of person I'd want as a friend.

The thing about these crime boards is... we've been following cases since wayyy back when, and we are opinionated. It is meant as no harm to the family of the missing, in most cases. Please know that.

I hope answers will come. God Bless you, I know your family has faith.

What a nice post. God Bless the friends/family too of Pat.

One of my best friends was murdered by opening her door. Her husband, her children and all of her friends said "NO ... she wouldn't do that". But she did. She was the wife of the Pres. of a bank and had been through "training" sessions about the risks, but she did open a door and was found dead, that day way back in 1985. We were all in shock until we found out "why" she opened the door. :crying:

He brought a box of flowers to her door. He wasn't a real florist. He rang Becca's door bell and she opened the door for the lovely flowers. He forced his way in with a gun. A ransom call was made. He shot her in the head.

Here's an anti-death penalty site that has a decent re-tell of this case: http://deathpenaltycurriculum.org/student/c/courtroom/casestudies/case1-Gosch.htm What's left out of this re-tell is that he shot her because he noticed she saw he was missing fingers. He knew he was "made".

This long, drawn out story is to say ... no one can speak to what anyone else "would do or should do" ... imo. THINK outside that box!! Obviously something went down that night that Pat disappeared that was not "normal", but what? Someone lied to her? Someone needed help? Someone appeared sympathetic? Someone tricked her?

JMO.
PS I didn't shed one tear when Lesley Gosch was executed for murder.

[Kip]

Riverwalk, I just read the story about your friend. I'm so sorry. I agree with you that we can't be sure about others' behavior. I know I've done things that afterwards I've had second thoughts about.

One thing I've thought about with regards to Patricia's disappearance is what the likelihood would be that she would open the door to a woman. I think most women don't think of other women as threats. A few years ago around here, there were cases of women being raped and murdered. It was a man and woman working together. A woman would stand beside a seemingly disabled van on the highway. If a man stopped to help, the woman would tell him thanks, but help was on the way and should be there any minute. If a woman stopped, she would be shoved in the van by the male rapist.

[smileyjoe]

IDK. This case is so strange. I do hope LE in that area has enough experience to handle this case. They COULD ask for assistance from the FBI or neighboring authorities and will not. I think LE in that area needs help with this case.

JMO

Snipped. Why question LE "in that area"? Is it because it is KANSAS? Or what? And, do you know for a fact that the LE have not asked for assistance, or are you just guessing?

Link please.

Thx.

[annalyzer]

Snipped. Why question LE "in that area"? Is it because it is KANSAS? Or what? And, do you know for a fact that the LE have not asked for assistance, or are you just guessing?

Link please.

Thx.

Link for what? The poster stated that he/she hoped, thought, etc. No link required.

[bugout]

I have to disagree with who ever posted that it could Not be a community member, or a church member.
That is so wrong, and harkens back to things like "not in our town, not our people"

W R O N G ! If you are human, you are capable of committing heinous acts, and I don't care if you go to church or not. So many people hide and use the "church" as a guise it's sick. So; for anyone to come here, and post to a family member that it couldn't have been someone in their "community" or general area or because they are members of a church..

Bizarre. I'd be checking out any one and every one that she knew. Did she have a LI policy, and if so who would benefit from her death?
Who did work on her home? Who did she open her door to? What type of work did she recently have done on the home? Any? From Fireplace cleaning to carpet cleaning, someone she dealt with came to her door.
Someone wanted her dead; was this a sexual crime or a vendetta?
And exactly what church members did she know? Did she go to church? Did she bowl? Where did she spend her off time?

:rose:

[smileyjoe]

Link for what? The poster stated that he/she hoped, thought, etc. No link required.

I don't think so. Quote:



IDK. This case is so strange. I do hope LE in that area has enough experience to handle this case. They COULD ask for assistance from the FBI or neighboring authorities and will not. I think LE in that area needs help with this case.

They could ask for assistance from the FBI or neighboring authorities and WILL NOT??

Link required.

[bugout]

As for the investigation, it seems that LE has not put the cap and clip in the absolute category. The last I read, it was said they hope these will be clues that will lead them to Patricia. So, even if the family insists these are clues, it sounds like LE are not yet sure.

I'd like to know more about that Saylor Ins Co cap; when did they have those made up? It's a small firm and would employees have been the only ones who got a cap like that?
Did she use this company for her insurance? That money clip in itself is so unique.
But that cap; I'd like to know more about when the Company distributed those caps and to whom. It's a hunting cap; camo and something a hunter would wear. Did she know anyone who was into hunting?
Just curious...I have questions. Last LE said about this case was that they were reviewing it to see which agency would handle it. Didn't mention FBI but I wonder why KBI isn't taking this case.

Someone she met up with; wanted her for something. Either this was a sexual crime or it was a planned hit for insurance money. Those are the two avenues I'm pointing to. How much was she worth?
And was her policy through Saylor by any chance? Did she deal with any of the men from that company at any time? And what was her relationship like with her sons? Did she have a problem with any of her relatives? Why hasn't this case received more national attention?
Bug

[bugout]

http://www.wibw.com/crime/headlines/70002692.html
FYI Barney Fife reference to the local force......by poster Me.

Read the comments section.

I too would like to hear more about the divorce, how contentious was it and how much was he going to have to pay her in alimony or support? Did he lose the house?

It took some digging to even find info that she recently went through a divorce. FGS family members, are loath to look at one of their own, maybe her Ex's alibi and timeline are what we need to look at in this case.
Sorry but until HE is ruled out, he is Number One for me in this case.

Why hasn't anyone mentioned her recent divorce??

[bugout]

http://cjonline.com/news/state/2009-12-05/family_seeks_answers
There was evidence of a "tough" marriage. What does this mean, tough in what way? Only the family members know for sure.
Was this a case of if I can't have you no one else will? She had new found independence and freedom. She was antsy in her new environment, scared even.
Of what? I wonder if she had any older trick or treaters on Halloween.

There is a long dirt road to her actual home. So who lived there before she did? Did someone come to the residence that used to know people who lived there?

I do tend to think outside of the box, so I'm just throwing out whatever is coming to mind as I read all I can find on this case. When a marriage of this length does finally end.......and is described as "rough" I want to know rough in what way, violence rough? Infidelity rough? Tough, why was her marriage tough? Do they have DNA from the scene?
:rose:
Bug

[tiredmama]

It is just that no matter what scenario is suggested to them it is met with a "NO" answer. They have faith in the community members. I can understand that, but there is no community that doesn't have some bad apples. There is no church without at least one or two questionable members. So according to the family, no friends could have caused the disappearance. No one in the community could have caused this disappearance. No one in the church could have caused this disappearance.

I give up. I hope to come on here one day and read that Patricia Kimmi has been found.

MOO

Pat's daughter, Rita here. Tony (my brother) responded to some posts prior to this one. I admit I am probably stubborn on some suggestions as far as our Mom's case, partly because there are things that we as a family know but are not able to say publicly, per LE. We do still appreciate EVERYONE'S suggestions and thoughts. Maybe I'm stubborn because I just really feel like we know our Mom SO WELL. We have all been through a lot together since way back when, and especially the last 3 - 4 yrs.

Partly I know my Mom so well because we talked every day on the phone, all of us did. And here's my guilty secret. Mom and I talked on the phone at least once a day, and many times she would call me several times a day. I work from home, so she would call me, but many times I would be so busy I would be annoyed by the phone. I got to where I would let the answering machine pick up and call her back when I could, if I remembered. Then, 2 or 3 months ago, I started thinking about how it wasn't really that big of a deal to just answer the phone...take a few minutes to chat and then get back to work. I thought about it more and more, and thought that the day might come when I wouldn't get a phone call from her anymore and then I would really regret the times I thought those phone calls were annoying. What came to mind was how, when we were on vacation together this past August, she had such a hard time climbing several flights of stairs at our hotel when one of my boys was scared of the elevator. She was really out of breath, and when I kept thinking those thoughts of making sure I answered the phone I felt like maybe down the road she was going to have health problems. So...I tried to do better answering the phone. Well, guess what? That last day, November 6th, she called me twice. And I didn't pick up the phone either time. That will be a lifetime regret for me. I would never, could never have dreamed that what we're going through now is what that was all about. I would give anything to talk to her one more time.

But there you have it - she really did call me over the smallest details of her day or conversations she had or pictures she took or plans she had...and on and on. She would call and we'd talk for a long time and hang up - and she'd call back a few minutes later because she forgot to tell me something else. When she left messages on the answering machine, the tape usually ran out and she'd have to call back and leave another message to finish saying what she wanted to say. I'd always give her a hard time about that when I called back. I miss her so much.

I do know there are bad people in every community and church and workplace - I don't disagree. What I was trying to get across and maybe didn't say so clearly was that there's no one who stands out in the community or church, etc., who fits the evidence, other than to consider all males as suspects. I don't know how you begin to go about eliminating all those people.

[tiredmama]

Riverwalk, I just read the story about your friend. I'm so sorry. I agree with you that we can't be sure about others' behavior. I know I've done things that afterwards I've had second thoughts about.

One thing I've thought about with regards to Patricia's disappearance is what the likelihood would be that she would open the door to a woman. I think most women don't think of other women as threats. A few years ago around here, there were cases of women being raped and murdered. It was a man and woman working together. A woman would stand beside a seemingly disabled van on the highway. If a man stopped to help, the woman would tell him thanks, but help was on the way and should be there any minute. If a woman stopped, she would be shoved in the van by the male rapist.

I think a woman being involved is a possibility. If a woman came to the door, no vehicle, and said there was an accident, I can see her opening the door to her. It's the fact that she got up from her desk to answer the door to an unknown person without taking the phone that was right beside the computer that stumps me. I think she would have been startled and unsure of how suddenly someone was at the door and would have grabbed her phone. Maybe she went to check on a strange noise at the door and was surprised then? I just don't know.

[tiredmama]

Snipped. Why question LE "in that area"? Is it because it is KANSAS? Or what? And, do you know for a fact that the LE have not asked for assistance, or are you just guessing?

Link please.

Thx.

KBI is investigating along with the sheriff's office. In addition, several of the detectives who were with the major case squad in that first couple of weeks have continued to work on Mom's case at their respective offices. KHP has also assisted and has told us they will fly their helicopter any time we need them to. My understanding is that FBI is not called in unless there is evidence that Mom was taken over state lines.

LE tells us that leads continue to come in every day. Thank you for thinking of us all.

[tiredmama]

I have to disagree with who ever posted that it could Not be a community member, or a church member.
That is so wrong, and harkens back to things like "not in our town, not our people"

W R O N G ! If you are human, you are capable of committing heinous acts, and I don't care if you go to church or not. So many people hide and use the "church" as a guise it's sick. So; for anyone to come here, and post to a family member that it couldn't have been someone in their "community" or general area or because they are members of a church..

Bizarre. I'd be checking out any one and every one that she knew. Did she have a LI policy, and if so who would benefit from her death?
Who did work on her home? Who did she open her door to? What type of work did she recently have done on the home? Any? From Fireplace cleaning to carpet cleaning, someone she dealt with came to her door.
Someone wanted her dead; was this a sexual crime or a vendetta?
And exactly what church members did she know? Did she go to church? Did she bowl? Where did she spend her off time?

:rose:

She does have LI in the $10,000 - $15,000 range of which we, her 4 children are beneficiaries. She is still receiving alimony/divorce settlement payments from ex...but as long as she is missing, those still have to be made. Her home is new so the people who worked on it have been checked out. We feel she would only open her door, especially at night, to someone she knew, unless she was tricked into opening it. She was so, so, so cautious, and a little uneasy about living by herself for the first time in 36 years. She worked part-time, went to church (small church, everybody knows everybody), went to the bank, grocery store, Walmart, and family & friends' houses. She is a very simple, country woman, was barefoot most of the time :), and lived a very normal life. She didn't go to the casino but maybe a couple times a year and then the main point of going was to eat at the restaurant. No bowling or any hobbies other than fixing up her house (which our families all help her with) and taking care of her animals.

[tiredmama]

As for the investigation, it seems that LE has not put the cap and clip in the absolute category. The last I read, it was said they hope these will be clues that will lead them to Patricia. So, even if the family insists these are clues, it sounds like LE are not yet sure.

They are directly tied into the 2nd crime scene, whether that's been in print or not.

[tiredmama]

I'd like to know more about that Saylor Ins Co cap; when did they have those made up? It's a small firm and would employees have been the only ones who got a cap like that?
Did she use this company for her insurance? That money clip in itself is so unique.
But that cap; I'd like to know more about when the Company distributed those caps and to whom. It's a hunting cap; camo and something a hunter would wear. Did she know anyone who was into hunting?
Just curious...I have questions. Last LE said about this case was that they were reviewing it to see which agency would handle it. Didn't mention FBI but I wonder why KBI isn't taking this case.

Someone she met up with; wanted her for something. Either this was a sexual crime or it was a planned hit for insurance money. Those are the two avenues I'm pointing to. How much was she worth?
And was her policy through Saylor by any chance? Did she deal with any of the men from that company at any time? And what was her relationship like with her sons? Did she have a problem with any of her relatives? Why hasn't this case received more national attention?
Bug

The cap was last given out to customers 2 yrs ago. KBI is assisting on the investigation.

She did not have insurance thru Saylor at any time, nor had she ever dealt w/ them, to our knowledge. Her relationship w/ her sons (and myself) is very close - we've always been close and have helped each other out when times get rough. We all have helped Mom get settled in her new house on her land in the country after having gone thru a long and difficult divorce. She finally had some peace in her life...and then this.

[dreamtime]

Things that I have learned about this case:
Police did call in NE Kansas Major Case Squad.
KBI helps out also.

Saylor Ins. has been contacted and any info. about the caps and when and how they were handed out has been shared with LE.
IMO: I would think dna would be on the cap.

The cap and money clip were found at the second crime scene, where Patricia K got away from her abductor and another struggled happened.

I know that Patricia's home was brand new. No one else had ever lived there.
As for her marriage ending after so many years, I would think it would take big to end it. IMO>

Hope Patricia is found soon.

[dreamtime]

I see tiredmama (Patricia's daughter Rita) has been posting while I have been composing my post.

That's good. She has much more information that I do.

Sorry if I repeated any known info.

[tiredmama]

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FYI Barney Fife reference to the local force......by poster Me.

Read the comments section.

I too would like to hear more about the divorce, how contentious was it and how much was he going to have to pay her in alimony or support? Did he lose the house?

It took some digging to even find info that she recently went through a divorce. FGS family members, are loath to look at one of their own, maybe her Ex's alibi and timeline are what we need to look at in this case.
Sorry but until HE is ruled out, he is Number One for me in this case.

Why hasn't anyone mentioned her recent divorce??[/QUOTE]

FWIW, we have complete confidence in the LE team working on this. We know them personally, they know our Mom and our family, and we know all the hours that are going into this investigation.

Marriage - long and tough. Divorce - long and bitter, I'd rather not post figures re the settlement. I have no idea what ex's alibi and timeline are, as I have not spoken to him directly. I do know that he was not the one who physically committed this crime. Beyond that, he got a lawyer and refused a polygraph.

[Shelby1]

Thinking of Patricia, family and friends..... :rose:

[Cury-us Coyote]

Disappearances top 2009 stories

As a long and difficult year comes to an end in Atchison and the area amid banks of snow and threats of another storm today, a look back on 2009 brings sorrow interspersed with points of light.
...
Only a money clip and a ballcap have turned up, and it's uncertain if the items are connected to the case. A $50,000 reward remains unclaimed.

http://www.atchisonglobeonline.com/main.asp?FromHome=1&TypeID=1&ArticleID=13218&SectionID=16&SubSectionID=33

[Amy]

Disappearances top 2009 stories

As a long and difficult year comes to an end in Atchison and the area amid banks of snow and threats of another storm today, a look back on 2009 brings sorrow interspersed with points of light.
...
Only a money clip and a ballcap have turned up, and it's uncertain if the items are connected to the case. A $50,000 reward remains unclaimed.

http://www.atchisonglobeonline.com/main.asp?FromHome=1&TypeID=1&ArticleID=13218&SectionID=16&SubSectionID=33

I hadn't heard about the elderly couple. Bless their hearts. Prayers for them and their families, too.

The artilce mentions a partial denture, then it says the only clues tho't to be assosciated w/Patricia Kimmi was the hat and money clip. I hadn't read about the dentures before, either.

Continued prayers for Patricia and her family, and hope for her return home soon.

Thanks for the update.

[Cury-us Coyote]

America's Most Wanted aired Patricia Kimmi last night. New Leads?
http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/brief.cfm?id=69403

[Cury-us Coyote]

Atchison County law execute warrant in Kimmi search
http://www.atchisonglobeonline.com/

Frustration builds in Kimmi case
Atchison County Sheriff John Calhoon said investigators from his office continued to work strong leads that had developed.

He said that at this point, everyone was considered a potential suspect. As laboratory results slowly trickled in and checked documents filed in, he indicated the field might narrow somewhat.
http://www.atchisonglobeonline.com/main.asp?FromHome=1&TypeID=1&ArticleID=13345&SectionID=16&SubSectionID=33

[Cury-us Coyote]

Atchison County law execute warrant in Kimmi search
http://www.atchisonglobeonline.com/main.asp?SectionID=16&SubSectionID=33&ArticleID=13350

:thumbup:

[Cury-us Coyote]

MAJOR BREAK REPORTED IN KIMMI CASE
(includes audio)
So far, there’s no word on an arrest
http://www.knzafm.com/stories/08914_MAJOR-BREAK-REPORTED-IN-KIMMI-CASE_114848.php

[Cury-us Coyote]

Police have break in Kimmi abduction
A press conference has been called for this afternoon.
http://cjonline.com/news/state/2010-01-21/police_have_break_in_kimmi_abduction

Arrest Announcement Expected In Kimmi Disappearance
http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/82277367.html

[Cury-us Coyote]

Supporters rally around veteran sheriff
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4179/is_20001101/ai_n11758096/

[Moondust]

Supporters rally around veteran sheriff
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4179/is_20001101/ai_n11758096/


Forgive me, but I havn't read this whole thread, so I may have missed something....how is this sheriff related to Kimmi's case??:confused:

[Cury-us Coyote]

Forgive me, but I havn't read this whole thread, so I may have missed something....how is this sheriff related to Kimmi's case??:confused:

The property searched this morning is allegedly owned by the Nemaha County farmer referenced in the article. RH MAY be a white-hat guy who found evidence, reported the tip, and allowed LE to search or RH MAY have withheld information or worse. The press conference and contents of the search warrant are not yet available online - could go either way, IMO.

[Moondust]

The property searched this morning is allegedly owned by the Nemaha County farmer referenced in the article. RH MAY be a white-hat guy who found evidence, reported the tip, and allowed LE to search or RH MAY have withheld information or worse. The press conference and contents of the search warrant are not yet available online - could go either way, IMO.


Ok...thank you for filling me in...hoping something huge breaks real soon for Kimmi...:rose:

[dreamtime]

Police have break in Kimmi abduction
A press conference has been called for this afternoon.
http://cjonline.com/news/state/2010-01-21/police_have_break_in_kimmi_abduction

Arrest Announcement Expected In Kimmi Disappearance
http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/82277367.html

These links are not working. Odd.

One link listed does work:

http://www.atchisonglobeonline.com/main.asp?SectionID=16&SubSectionID=33&ArticleID=13350

[Cury-us Coyote]

Press Release (1 page pdf)
http://cjonline.com/multimedia/documents/2010/012210/kimmi_release.pdf

Home Searched In Connection With Missing Woman
(includes search video)
http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/82308182.html

[Cury-us Coyote]

These links are not working. Odd.

One link listed does work:

http://www.atchisonglobeonline.com/main.asp?SectionID=16&SubSectionID=33&ArticleID=13350

Can't explain it -google links are behaving the same- but the articles are still on the sites if you go to the home pages.

Progress in the case, IMO.

[AmndaRcknwth]

TY for the updates CuC.

According to a friend posting at WS, Roger Hollister is a friend of Pat Kimmi's ex.

Pics and vids added to Pat's case album:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Patricia%20Kimmi/

[samEgiG]

WOW! I hope they bring Patricia home.


:rose:

[Cury-us Coyote]

TY for the updates CuC.

According to a friend posting at WS, Roger Hollister is a friend of Pat Kimmi's ex.

Pics and vids added to Pat's case album:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Patricia%20Kimmi/

New clues in case of missing Horton woman

Law enforcement officers on Thursday searched a home in rural Nemaha County that belongs to friends of Kimmi's ex-husband.

He says the couple that lives at the home owns the car.

http://www.nebraska.tv/Global/story.asp?S=11863731

Car ? must not be the dually truck.

[Shelby1]

Thank you Cury and Amnda for the updates!

I'm so glad something broke in this.....maybe the family will finally get the answers they need.

Doesn't surprise me that it could be related to her ex.

[Iris1]

http://www.atchisonglobeonline.com/main.asp?SectionID=16&SubSectionID=33&ArticleID=13374

Authorities from the Atchison County Sheriff's Office executed a search warrant Thursday morning in rural Nemaha County in connection with the disappearance of Patricia Kimmi.

Atchison County Sheriff John Calhoon said that the warrant executed at the Roger and Rebecca Hollister residence came on the heels of a break earlier in the week - a break that came when authorities had located, confiscated and searched a dismantled vehicle believed to have been involved in the disappearance.

Sheriff Calhoon declined to comment on the Hollisters' relationship with 58-year-old Ms. Kimmi, who disappeared Nov. 6 from her rural Horton residence. Nor would he comment on the Hollisters' involvement in the case.

[Leanne Weich]

I just can't believe nobody has been able to dig up any information on the Hollister's connection to the husband - usually lots of people comment about what they know but this all seems so secretive.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Over 2 weeks have passed since the Hollister property was searched, and no arrests, no body found, they await forensics on the buried truck bed and the burned parts found at a salvage yard.

I wish they'd dug up the entire property. One of the local papers showed a photo of the dig for the truck bed... looked to be in the middle of a cornfield. (pics are saved to the archive album)

Soon after the search, the Hollisters sold their livestock. Strange, that.

[Cury-us Coyote]

The Search for Pat Kimmi: The Final Stages
http://stjoechannel.com/content/fulltext_news/?cid=111432

[Shelby1]

The Search for Pat Kimmi: The Final Stages
http://stjoechannel.com/content/fulltext_news/?cid=111432

Thank you for the news update, Cury. Sounds like they definitely know who and what happened :(

[Amy]

Thanks for the update. I do hope they get answers, and make arrests. Most of all, I do hope this leads them to where Patricia Kimmi is, and gets her home.

[texasgal]

Wow .. thinking about you, Pat and Tony ... **hugs**

[Dakota]

Persons Of Interest In Missing Woman Case Hurt In Crash

Patricia Kimmi Missing Since November

http://www.kmbc.com/news/22689270/detail.html

Friday, the Hollisters were critically injured in a head-on crash with a semi-trailer near Fairview, Kan.
According to the Kansas Highway Patrol, the Hollisters' car drove on to the opposite shoulder and into the path of the truck.

[Iris1]

I know most would feel it was Karma that caused the accident. I believe it was Karma that they were NOT seriously injured. They will have to answer for what they've done...

Prayers for Pat's family!!!

[Cury-us Coyote]

Roger Hollister Arrested on Attempted First-Degree Murder Charges (Updated)

Authorities arrested a Nemaha County man -- who has been named as a person of interest in the Patricia Kimmi disappearance -- on attempted first-degree murder of his wife and other charges stemming from a head-on collision last week in Brown County.

http://www.hiawathaworldonline.com/main.asp?SectionID=4&SubSectionID=21&ArticleID=4039&TM=59320.88

[SaraSidle]

thank you for updating this Cury. I have been lurking since Pat disappeared.

[Cury-us Coyote]

In the courts, March 6, 2010

If convicted, Mr. Hollister faces up to 54 years on the attempted first-degree murder charge and up to 14 years on the aggravated battery charge, along with fines up to $300,000.
...
Mr. Hollister’s next court date has been set for May 12.

http://www.stjoenews.net/news/2010/mar/06/courts-march-6-2010/?local

[Amy]

I wonder if they will work any kind of deal to find out more about Patricia Kimmi and her wherabouts? Hopefully, his wife that he attempted to murder will turn on him in a heartbeat and give up info.

Thanks for the update.

[Beverly]

HOLY COW! That's a twist in events!! Wonder what LE knows, that led them to arrest him for attempted murder of his wife?? :huh:

I almost posted the other day, I wonder if he drove into the semi on purpose, like a murder-suicide pact or something, but thought otherwise. I mean, what a way to go, to do something like that! Usually it's a gun, or pills in a murder-suicide.

I'm very interested to see what comes of this new developement.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Authorities Searching Business of Pat Kimmi's Ex
Deputies are at the Kimmi Lumber & Sawmill in Everest, Ks.

The business is owned by Kimmi's ex-husband, Eugene Kimmi.

Atchison County Prosecutor Jerry Kuckelman says the warrant was executed as a result of Thursday's interrogations.
http://stjoechannel.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=114394

Breaking news: Another search in Kimmi case
http://www.atchisonglobeonline.com/main.asp?SectionID=16&SubSectionID=33&ArticleID=13697

[SaraSidle]

Authorities Searching Business of Pat Kimmi's Ex
Deputies are at the Kimmi Lumber & Sawmill in Everest, Ks.

The business is owned by Kimmi's ex-husband, Eugene Kimmi.

Atchison County Prosecutor Jerry Kuckelman says the warrant was executed as a result of Thursday's interrogations.
http://stjoechannel.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=114394

Breaking news: Another search in Kimmi case
http://www.atchisonglobeonline.com/main.asp?SectionID=16&SubSectionID=33&ArticleID=13697

thanks for the updates Cury-us-Coyote

[Beverly]

From the second link on Cury Us post...

"When the inquisition is finished, then we'll wrap it up and press charges," Mr. Kuckelman said.

Mr. Hollister, 58, was arrested Thursday and charged Friday in Brown County on allegations of attempted first-degree murder and aggravated battery. The felony charges stemmed from allegations that with his wife as a passenger, Mr. Hollister intentionally drove a Buick SUV into the path of an oncoming semi-truck tanker."


WOW, so he DID drive it into a semi on purose!! :blink: What a nut!!

Sounds like LE has a good idea of what and who are involved in this case from the comment made above. Wishing them all the luck, and hope Patricia's family has a resolution soon. But it sounds like it won't be a good one. :sad:

[Cury-us Coyote]

FWIW St Joseph news twitter site
http://twitter.com/kq2/

Updated: Authorities Searching Business of Pat Kimmi's Ex
Kimmi's family says Pat and Eugene's divorce was a nasty split. Atchison County Undersheriff Larry Myer tells KQ2 Mr. Kimmi is at the business and has been cooperative this morning. Mr. Kimmi has never been named as a suspect.
Investigators from the KBI are also on scene. The Kimmi's daughter, Rita Boller, was at the property this morning as well.
http://stjoechannel.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=114394

[Beverly]

My theory is Mr Kimmi got his good buddy Mr Hollister to do the dirty work. That's why Mr Kimmi isn't acting too concerned, he wasn't involved directly!

JMHO

[Cury-us Coyote]

NEW DEVELOPMENT IN PATRICIA KIMMI CASE
(includes audio)
Calhoon said it can’t comment yet on what, if anything, will be found during the raid on the property, or when an arrest will be made in connection with her disappearance…
...
Unconfirmed sources say that Hollister, who is being held in the Atchison County Jail, is believed to have provided new details in recent days, leading up to the execution of the search warrant this
( Friday ) morning.
http://www.knzafm.com/stories/01458_NEW-DEVELOPMENT-IN-PATRICIA-KIMMI-CASE_122326.php

Authorities searching sawmill
No arrests have been made in the disappearance of Kimmi, although Calhoon said "we are getting closer day by day."
http://cjonline.com/news/local/2010-03-12/authorities_searching_sawmill

Deputies Searching Kimmi Property
http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/87479127.html

[Beverly]

OMG I just had the strangest thought....

What if Kimmi and Hollister (old buddies) struck up a deal to kill each others wives? But after Hollister killed Patricia, Kimmi didn't have the nerve to go through with it, and so Hollister decide to take care of his own wife himself....hence the wreck with the semi??

Wasn't there a movie plot like this??

Am I reaching here? :huh:

[dreamtime]

OMG I just had the strangest thought....

What if Kimmi and Hollister (old buddies) struck up a deal to kill each others wives? But after Hollister killed Patricia, Kimmi didn't have the nerve to go through with it, and so Hollister decide to take care of his own wife himself....hence the wreck with the semi??

Wasn't there a movie plot like this??

Am I reaching here? :huh:

Interesting thought.

I think the movie is Strangers on a Train.
It was not about killing each other's wives and it was done by one person .... but the idea is correct.

[Cury-us Coyote]

OMG I just had the strangest thought....

What if Kimmi and Hollister (old buddies) struck up a deal to kill each others wives? But after Hollister killed Patricia, Kimmi didn't have the nerve to go through with it, and so Hollister decide to take care of his own wife himself....hence the wreck with the semi??

Wasn't there a movie plot like this??

Am I reaching here? :huh:

:shrug:

Maybe St Joes has a court house contact to know what search warrants are filed?

[Cury-us Coyote]

Authorities search Everest business for clues

Atchison County Undersheriff Larry Meyer told 27 News Friday afternoon that the search of the property at the sawmill lasted from 2-3 hours. The sawmill is owned by Kimmi’s ex-husband, Eugene, who was present during the search and cooperative.

http://www.ksnt.com/news/local/story/Authorities-search-Everest-business-for-clues/R_P3ro9alUiRyzYs3w5GgQ.cspx