Caylee 11-7-09

[gaelicpeas]

Looks like it is time for a new thread.

It took me most of yesterday to get through all of the documents, but they certainly contained some damning evidence, IMO - the entomology report, in particular. That report solidified a lot of earlier circumstantial evidence, I think. They were able to establish a pretty clear-cut timeline from the type of insects present.

[Scampi]

Good morning Gael. I agree with you, the bug report nailed down the timleline of when Caylee was thrown in that swamp.

For anyone that missed Miss Nancy last night, here is the transcript:


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0911/06/ng.01.html

[Jeepers]

Why does LE believe that KC put that little shirt on her deliberate. What makes them think that? I would have never thought anything about the shirt. I have seen so many little ones wear shirts like that and thought them to be cute.

[gaelicpeas]

Why does LE believe that KC put that little shirt on her deliberate. What makes them think that? I would have never thought anything about the shirt. I have seen so many little ones wear shirts like that and thought them to be cute.I don't know why they think that, but I have to admit, it was the first thing I thought when I saw those letters.

[gaelicpeas]

Good morning Gael. I agree with you, the bug report nailed down the timleline of when Caylee was thrown in that swamp.

For anyone that missed Miss Nancy last night, here is the transcript:


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0911/06/ng.01.htmlGood morning, Scampi. Miss Nancy was on fire last night.

[martha]

Good morning everyone, I have not read the doc.yet and I just want to thank all of you for posting about what was in them.I pray they have enougth to get casey and put her where she will never enjoy another day of her life.She took Caylee;s life and now it is time for her to pay.Little Caylee is gone and from what we hear she is better of so now for casey to be punished is what I think everyone wants.maye we will see this trial one day I sure hope so.jmho:wub:

[Jeepers]

Miss Nancy had a good show last night. Lenny was really hurt and said Tracy was too. The news of the syringe just really got everyone's heart and brain.
Jean talkin bout George and Cindy's tats that they got them for remeberance of Caylee.
I don't need a tat to remember Caylee. There many people that won't ever forget 31 days or a syringe with chloroform or duct tape.
Good Lord what else did she do to that baby!

[adair]

Good morning fellow posters.....thanks for the transcript from NG.

I am still getting thru the newest docs released.


I thought that chloroform was used as an inhalant....was she injecting this into caylee? Or was she using this syringe to apply to a cloth, then hold it over her mouth....chilling....

imo

[Ladygator]

Why does LE believe that KC put that little shirt on her deliberate. What makes them think that? I would have never thought anything about the shirt. I have seen so many little ones wear shirts like that and thought them to be cute.

IIRC, their report said Casey 'may' have deliberately put that shirt on Casey. I was surprised to read that and I also wonder what makes them think that.

Do they have a receipt that shows that shirt was puchased after June 15th? That's the only thing I can think of. But then, wouldn't they say, flat out, that is was deliberate? And show the receipt in discovery.:confused:

[Ladygator]

I was just reading a "Question and Answers' article about Anthony Sowell, the Ohio serial killer. As you may know, his house smelled horrible for years and many thought the smell was coming from the sausage factory.

A big question being asked is WHY? Why didn't anyone realize what the smell was? Here is an answer from a pathologist - {And I think this can be related to the Anthony's and their knowledge of what the smell was coming from Casey's car}

"A renowned pathologist said that many people don't recognize the smell of a decomposing body because it is a distinct smell most people are fortunate enough not to experience"

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/11/an_faq_on_the_anthony_sowell_c.html

[Scampi]

It really amazes me that lyon can submit the motion to dismiss these charges and the motion to refute this as a DP case, when we see evidence such as this.

Prior research into how to make chloroform.

Chloroform in high levels found in the trunk.

Chloroform found in a syringe located with the remains.

Duct tape on the skull, at the mouth area.

IMO, when there is evidence like this, motions like this defense have filed are nuisance motions. They absolutely do not make sense, in my view, in light of the known evidence in this case.

BTW, I was very glad to see the decomposition on the trunk carpet noted a few times in the released docs. We must not forget that there was human decomposition found on the carpet in that trunk. It was the purge from Caylee Anthony, imo.

I also noted that the entomylogist examined the car and even tho the carpet had been removed from the trunk, six months later it still stank of decomposition.

[AMS]

Good morning all,

Does anyone have any thoughts on where the testosterone came from?

NG sure was on a roll last night. I can't believe she asked them to take down the lower banner so everyone could see Casey's entire back. :w00t:

imo

[Jeepers]

I was just reading a "Question and Answers' article about Anthony Sowell, the Ohio serial killer. As you may know, his house smelled horrible for years and many thought the smell was coming from the sausage factory.

A big question being asked is WHY? Why didn't anyone realize what the smell was? Here is an answer from a pathologist - {And I think this can be related to the Anthony's and their knowledge of what the smell was coming from Casey's car}

"A renowned pathologist said that many people don't recognize the smell of a decomposing body because it is a distinct smell most people are fortunate enough not to experience"

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/11/an_faq_on_the_anthony_sowell_c.html

I would agree, I have never smelled that smell but I have been in paper mills that would make you want to throw up. I would have never associated a bad smell to a death smell. I am glad to say that smell has never been entered into my data bank.
Six months later with the carpet removed and the smell still there. That is just unreal.

[Scampi]

Morning A! I think she got ahold of a used syringe. You know the MOTY was very thrifty when it came to getting her supplies together to murder her daughter. Everything was borrowed, imo.

I cannot wait till trial, when Linda Drane Burdick takes all of this evidence and puts it into a narative for us. I have no doubt they have a horrific story to tell about what this monster did to Caylee.

[Jeepers]

Good morning all,

Does anyone have any thoughts on where the testosterone came from?

NG sure was on a roll last night. I can't believe she asked them to take down the lower banner so everyone could see Casey's entire back. :w00t:

imo

I am not saying. I was totally wrong about the chloroform being used to kill Caylee. I was convinced it was a by product of cleaning agents Cindy has used to clean the car.
I wish that had been the case.
I had read so much about cleaning products that could produce chloroform even fabric softeners. My mind was put at ease thinking that the chloroform was from Cindy tossing them in the car. Not anymore.
Testosterone also like chloroform is easy to find. Our own bodies, hair growth products, body builders, Libdo injections for men and women.
I am just afraid to guess.

[trich]

I have not read all the info that has been just released but it most certainly seems from reading here that the state has plenty of evidence against Casey.
I see the only way to defend Casey is to possibly try and prove someone else did this to Caylee....which I don't think will wash in any way.(IMO th emore they try to say some others had keys to the house and car the worse it will sound since there is no proof whatsoever of that)
There is so much more to say Casey did it then someone else.
I do wish she would save the state time and money and admit her guilt.
But as long as she is under the delusion that Baez is so great that he is going to get her off she imo never will admit she killed Caylee.

[Scampi]

You're not alone Jeepie, I think many people were relunctant to think the worst, even tho the signs were all there that we are absolutely dealing with a monster here, imo.

Even Len Padilla and Tracy McLaughlin have been stomach punched with this latest evidence.

I think there were those people, who were still holding out hope this was some sort of accident.

I think with the release of this evidence, that is all in the past and most people now know Caylee Anthony suffered a very horrific death at the hands of her mother.

[Jeepers]

You're not alone Jeepie, I think many people were relunctant to think the worst, even tho the signs were all there that we are absolutely dealing with a monster here, imo.

Even Len Padilla and Tracy McLaughlin have been stomach punched with this latest evidence.

I think there were those people, who were still holding out hope this was some sort of accident.

I think with the release of this evidence, that is all in the past and most people now know Caylee Anthony suffered a very horrific death at the hands of her mother.

When I listened to Tracy's taped interview and found out that she actually liked KC and was sending her money for her snacks and things I thought it to be so sad. KC had many good friends or could have had many good friends, they all knew she was a liar but they let her still hang out with them. I think that KC was a likeable person, fun to be around just no one knew the real KC. No one knew she could be that despicable and cruel.
Everyone was so shocked at what had taken place with Caylee. There were a few that said KC was not attentive to Caylee but nothing ever raised a red flag that Caylee was being mistreated.
It just makes you wonder what KC did to her when no one was around. She did not just murder Caylee on F ing Whim.
KC is a scary dangerous person and no one knows what she is really capable of. I tend to think George and Cindy were on her list of things to do somewhere. How else did she think she was going to get the house.

[Patty437]

Good morning all,

Does anyone have any thoughts on where the testosterone came from?

NG sure was on a roll last night. I can't believe she asked them to take down the lower banner so everyone could see Casey's entire back. :w00t:

imo

I work in a pharmacy and we have a male customer who gets an IM injecton of Testosterone monthly. Could be George's RX and Cindy could have administered the monthly injections. After all, she's an RN.

[nana6]

Good morning all,

Does anyone have any thoughts on where the testosterone came from?

NG sure was on a roll last night. I can't believe she asked them to take down the lower banner so everyone could see Casey's entire back. :w00t:

imo

I know I also thought of this. I wonder if Casey stopped by her mothers office for a visit and stole some syringe from a wastebasket or maybe someone she knew was using this drug themselves and put it in a wastebasket she was able to get ahold of. Who knows with this girl. AND might I ad, her back pictures last night were not a pretty sight imo

[nana6]

I work in a pharmacy and we have a male customer who gets an IM injecton of Testosterone monthly. Could be George's RX and Cindy could have administered the monthly injections. After all, she's an RN.

good thought Patty

[nana6]

Morning A! I think she got ahold of a used syringe. You know the MOTY was very thrifty when it came to getting her supplies together to murder her daughter. Everything was borrowed, imo.

I cannot wait till trial, when Linda Drane Burdick takes all of this evidence and puts it into a narative for us. I have no doubt they have a horrific story to tell about what this monster did to Caylee.

I think Cindy better go see Casey and teach her to say bye bye again

[Patty437]

I know I also thought of this. I wonder if Casey stopped by her mothers office for a visit and stole some syringe from a wastebasket or maybe someone she knew was using this drug themselves and put it in a wastebasket she was able to get ahold of. Who knows with this girl. AND might I ad, her back pictures last night were not a pretty sight imo

I don't Casey went out of her way for anything......everything was right there in the home.

[nana6]

I don't Casey went out of her way for anything......everything was right there in the home.

possibly, maybe it belonged to her parents we dont know

[charmin 66]

I know I also thought of this. I wonder if Casey stopped by her mothers office for a visit and stole some syringe from a wastebasket or maybe someone she knew was using this drug themselves and put it in a wastebasket she was able to get ahold of. Who knows with this girl. AND might I ad, her back pictures last night were not a pretty sight imo

I think she got the syringe when she was visiting Cindy at work. She probably just reached into one of those red toxic waste disposal boxes that are all around medical buildings.

Wonder if the package has any kind of traceable ID number.

[koawally]

I am not saying. I was totally wrong about the chloroform being used to kill Caylee. I was convinced it was a by product of cleaning agents Cindy has used to clean the car.
I wish that had been the case.
I had read so much about cleaning products that could produce chloroform even fabric softeners. My mind was put at ease thinking that the chloroform was from Cindy tossing them in the car. Not anymore.
Testosterone also like chloroform is easy to find. Our own bodies, hair growth products, body builders, Libdo injections for men and women.
I am just afraid to guess.

Perhaps Casey stole some testosterone from the body/muscle building powder --->from one of her several lovers.

[martha]

I think casey could do anything to any body and not blink an eye.she is cold and no feeling and heart for anyone but her self. Maybe when the trial starts we can see this person for what she really is. casey never thought for one min.anyone would ask her what happened to Caylee she thought they all would just take her word on the nanny did it and it would all be over and mom and dad would take care of this for her.she has always done that and why would this be any difference. I guess she never thought about le getting involved in this in any way.just her and her mom and dad and maybe lee..now it is time for casey to wake up and see what she has done. most of all pay for what she did to CAYLEE. jmho:wub:

[Scampi]

When I listened to Tracy's taped interview and found out that she actually liked KC and was sending her money for her snacks and things I thought it to be so sad. KC had many good friends or could have had many good friends, they all knew she was a liar but they let her still hang out with them. I think that KC was a likeable person, fun to be around just no one knew the real KC. No one knew she could be that despicable and cruel.
Everyone was so shocked at what had taken place with Caylee. There were a few that said KC was not attentive to Caylee but nothing ever raised a red flag that Caylee was being mistreated.
It just makes you wonder what KC did to her when no one was around. She did not just murder Caylee on F ing Whim.
KC is a scary dangerous person and no one knows what she is really capable of. I tend to think George and Cindy were on her list of things to do somewhere. How else did she think she was going to get the house.

Excellent take on this accused babykiller. I think casey anthony went thru life faking human emotions. IMO she is a sociopath and a chameleon who reflected back acceptable traits according to the person she was with.

Only Caylee got to see the monster within, imo. Tho I do believe cynthia and george had glimpses into the nightmare from time to time.

[Kathlb]

Good morning all,

Does anyone have any thoughts on where the testosterone came from?

NG sure was on a roll last night. I can't believe she asked them to take down the lower banner so everyone could see Casey's entire back. :w00t:

imo

I agree, Nancy was on a roll. :-) However it bothered me when the first dr. said they need to look for a person who was on body building substances due to the testosterone in the syringe. I can just hear the def. now saying some guy did it due to that.

[nana6]

bbl friends lots of errands today

[Jeepers]

I have not read all the info that has been just released but it most certainly seems from reading here that the state has plenty of evidence against Casey.
I see the only way to defend Casey is to possibly try and prove someone else did this to Caylee....which I don't think will wash in any way.(IMO th emore they try to say some others had keys to the house and car the worse it will sound since there is no proof whatsoever of that)
There is so much more to say Casey did it then someone else.
I do wish she would save the state time and money and admit her guilt.
But as long as she is under the delusion that Baez is so great that he is going to get her off she imo never will admit she killed Caylee.

Baez I think has got her in deeper than what it could have been. If they had accepted the plea deal before Caylee was found back when all of this was still new Casey would have been sentenced and out in no time flat. Now she is facing the DP and rightfully so just because Baez wanted to make a name for himself. Well he made his name and it is not a good one. The State is not interested in any more deals they are so tired of Baez & Company they are ready to bring it on.

[Kathlb]

I work in a pharmacy and we have a male customer who gets an IM injecton of Testosterone monthly. Could be George's RX and Cindy could have administered the monthly injections. After all, she's an RN.

I pray you're right and they have records of George getting injections. (not sure of the ability to see his medical records even though they are the state). If they could have those records, then they could stop any defense theories that it was some guy instead of Casey.

[Patty437]

I think she got the syringe when she was visiting Cindy at work. She probably just reached into one of those red toxic waste disposal boxes that are all around medical buildings.

Wonder if the package has any kind of tracable ID number.

We don't even know the last time Casey stopped by Cindy's work. That syringe still had the wrapper that original syringes come in, so she didn't grab a used one from the trash. Wouldn't surprise me if LE has checked George's medical records to see if he's on testosterone injections.

[charmin 66]

Baez I think has got her in deeper than what it could have been. If they had accepted the plea deal before Caylee was found back when all of this was still new Casey would have been sentenced and out in no time flat. Now she is facing the DP and rightfully so just because Baez wanted to make a name for himself. Well he made his name and it is not a good one. The State is not interested in any more deals they are so tired of Baez & Company they are ready to bring it on.

I don't know if it's all Baez. The truth and Miss Anthony are strangers.

[charmin 66]

We don't even know the last time Casey stopped by Cindy's work. That syringe still had the wrapper that original syringes come in, so she didn't grab a used one from the trash. Wouldn't surprise me if LE has checked George's medical records to see if he's on testosterone injections.

We do know that "someone" was searching for chloroform in March.

[Januarybaby]

Does anyone have links to the docs besides clickorlando and docstop? Ive been trying since yesterday and cannot get them to load. All I get is a blank page or webpage cannot be found.

[charmin 66]

Does anyone have links to the docs besides clickorlando and docstop? Ive been trying since yesterday and cannot get them to load. All I get is a blank page or webpage cannot be found.

http://www.wesh.com/news/21540851/detail.html

[marinewife5]

I know I also thought of this. I wonder if Casey stopped by her mothers office for a visit and stole some syringe from a wastebasket or maybe someone she knew was using this drug themselves and put it in a wastebasket she was able to get ahold of. Who knows with this girl. AND might I ad, her back pictures last night were not a pretty sight imo

is it crazy to think that an orthopedic office would have syringes prefilled with a dose of steroids? surely there's a way to track that syringe.

jmo

[Patty437]

We do know that "someone" was searching for chloroform in March.

Yeah......and let's not forget that google can turn misspelled words like Cindy's misspelled chlorophyll into chloroform and work records can be wrong!! Notice she didn't cop to the neck breaking searches though. What a whack job.

[charmin 66]

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=494

11/06/09 Bug Report – Entomology

[Januarybaby]

http://www.wesh.com/news/21540851/detail.html

Thank you so much

[Patty437]

is it crazy to think that an orthopedic office would have syringes prefilled with a dose of steroids? surely there's a way to track that syringe.

jmo

The wrapper the syringe came in could very well have a lot # on it. They come in boxes of 100. I'd have to check an individual wrapped syringes at work to see if lots are on them. Could very well be.

[charmin 66]

Yeah......and let's not forget that google can turn misspelled words like Cindy's misspelled chlorophyll into chloroform and work records can be wrong!! Notice she didn't cop to the neck breaking searches though. What a whack job.

I won't forget, mis-truths, halves-truths, pizza and "it smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car".

[Lavinya]

I think she got the syringe when she was visiting Cindy at work. She probably just reached into one of those red toxic waste disposal boxes that are all around medical buildings.

Wonder if the package has any kind of traceable ID number.

Good morning Charmin.

Sharps containers are made with various one way entrances. Someone could steal a container and chop it to get the sharps out but they are purposely made so that you can't just reach in and get a sharp (unless someone grossly overfilled one which is not common as nurses and Dr.s are strongly warned that can get them in a lot of trouble with their accrediting source, insurers, etc.).
I think she would have been able to run into a syringe easier than that in a nurse's home, IMO.

[Jeepers]

Excellent take on this accused babykiller. I think casey anthony went thru life faking human emotions. IMO she is a sociopath and a chameleon who reflected back acceptable traits according to the person she was with.

Only Caylee got to see the monster within, imo. Tho I do believe cynthia and george had glimpses into the nightmare from time to time.

I agree Scampi, I think George was at his wits end with her. cindy just always ran interferance. I think to just keep the peace. cindy as much as I despise her was the only one really working and trying to hold things together. George himself was on a slippery slope with cindy and he was in no position to rock the boat. cindy it appears always ran the house,the husband and the kids. George for whatever purpose was just there (cindy could not afford to kick him out) So George had no vote in how Casey acted or what punishment should have been delivered. This is all cindy's creation and George is gulity of putting himself in the position where his thoughts and concerns did not matter. George was too afraid of him losing his place at the table than to stand up and demand respect and authority in the house. cindy wore the pants in that family and sorry arse George let her. Just like KC, George had an an easy life with cindy. She was the only one that had to worry about the house, bills, etc. George always made excuses for cindy to LE, Tow yard folks. He knew that all he had to do was be a good boy take a good brow beating and rock on. KC knew the same. She learned it from George.

Cindy drove the train that wrecked. George was too lazy to put the brake on KC was texting and poor Caylee never saw it coming.

[Patty437]

I won't forget, mis-truths, halves-truths, pizza and "it smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car".

Wouldn't it be great if prints are on the wrapper or the syringe barrel? Oh, wait, Zanny planted em!!

[marinewife5]

The wrapper the syringe came in could very well have a lot # on it. They come in boxes of 100. I'd have to check an individual wrapped syringes at work to see if lots are on them. Could very well be.

IF it was prefilled, it seems logical that there is a tracking system in place. there could be a microscopic number on the needle itself, or on the plunger stem. i'm sure the FBI knows. it seems to me that the closer we get to trial, the more damaging the evidence will be that is released. we seem to have gotten the "fluff" out of the way.

jmo

[marinewife5]

Wouldn't it be great if prints are on the wrapper or the syringe barrel? Oh, wait, Zanny planted em!!

zanny the manny....remember, there was testosterone in the syringe.

[adair]

It really amazes me that lyon can submit the motion to dismiss these charges and the motion to refute this as a DP case, when we see evidence such as this.

Prior research into how to make chloroform.

Chloroform in high levels found in the trunk.

Chloroform found in a syringe located with the remains.

Duct tape on the skull, at the mouth area.

IMO, when there is evidence like this, motions like this defense have filed are nuisance motions. They absolutely do not make sense, in my view, in light of the known evidence in this case.

BTW, I was very glad to see the decomposition on the trunk carpet noted a few times in the released docs. We must not forget that there was human decomposition found on the carpet in that trunk. It was the purge from Caylee Anthony, imo.

I also noted that the entomylogist examined the car and even tho the carpet had been removed from the trunk, six months later it still stank of decomposition.

Helllooo Everyone.


I am still reading the documents, and i am wondering if G&C have read these. Did they put on their rose colored glasses first?

shaking head.

[marinewife5]

Helllooo Everyone.


I am still reading the documents, and i am wondering if G&C have read these. Did they put on their rose colored glasses first?

shaking head.


brad says the don't read any of it, but we all know they do....they don't trust baez any further than they can throw him.

jmo

[Spots]

I agree Scampi, I think George was at his wits end with her. cindy just always ran interferance. I think to just keep the peace. cindy as much as I despise her was the only one really working and trying to hold things together. George himself was on a slippery slope with cindy and he was in no position to rock the boat. cindy it appears always ran the house,the husband and the kids. George for whatever purpose was just there (cindy could not afford to kick him out) So George had no vote in how Casey acted or what punishment should have been delivered. This is all cindy's creation and George is gulity of putting himself in the position where his thoughts and concerns did not matter. George was too afraid of him losing his place at the table than to stand up and demand respect and authority in the house. cindy wore the pants in that family and sorry arse George let her. Just like KC, George had an an easy life with cindy. She was the only one that had to worry about the house, bills, etc. George always made excuses for cindy to LE, Tow yard folks. He knew that all he had to do was be a good boy take a good brow beating and rock on. KC knew the same. She learned it from George.

Cindy drove the train that wrecked. George was too lazy to put the brake on KC was texting and poor Caylee never saw it coming.

Excellent synopsis! :thumbsup:

[adair]

Wouldn't it be great if prints are on the wrapper or the syringe barrel? Oh, wait, Zanny planted em!!


See, when Zanny was in the hospital, remember the car accident? Zanny stole the drugs and syringes then. :thumbsup: Yeah AL, JB....thats what you can say happened.......

[Lavinya]

Ohhh, Casey has some special holiday meals coming up in her new abode. Maybe she'll get an extra pork rind for Thanksgiving. (I wish we could see her commissary list more.)

[snowflakes]

brad says the don't read any of it, but we all know they do....they don't trust baez any further than they can throw him.

jmo

I'll never understand why the Anthonys don't talk Casey into getting rid of Baez and into hiring a more qualified attorney. It's almost as if they want her to get LWOP or the DP.:scared:

[charmin 66]

It really amazes me that lyon can submit the motion to dismiss these charges and the motion to refute this as a DP case, when we see evidence such as this.

Prior research into how to make chloroform.

Chloroform in high levels found in the trunk.

Chloroform found in a syringe located with the remains.

Duct tape on the skull, at the mouth area.

IMO, when there is evidence like this, motions like this defense have filed are nuisance motions. They absolutely do not make sense, in my view, in light of the known evidence in this case.

BTW, I was very glad to see the decomposition on the trunk carpet noted a few times in the released docs. We must not forget that there was human decomposition found on the carpet in that trunk. It was the purge from Caylee Anthony, imo.

I also noted that the entomylogist examined the car and even tho the carpet had been removed from the trunk, six months later it still stank of decomposition.

I think Lyons students are just "going through all the motions". Hmm, the end of the semester should be coming up soon.

[GumShoeJoe]

I wonder if Cindy regrets trying to take credit/blame for the chloroform search on the computer. Could she make herself a suspect/accomplice?

[Jeepers]

I don't know if it's all Baez. The truth and Miss Anthony are strangers.

That is so True!

Baez thinks a lot of himself and told everyone we would respect him and I do. I love Baez and have the utmost confidence in his ability to defend KC. I cannot think of a better attorney for KC. She deserves a fair trial and with Baez's help justice will be served. I am sorry that he is not a death qualified attorney so he could stay in first chair throughout the trial. KC deserves it.

[Januarybaby]

Wouldn't it be great if prints are on the wrapper or the syringe barrel? Oh, wait, Zanny planted em!!

Baez explanation to prints: The Invisinanny was wearing gloves and shoved the wrapper and syringe into Caseys hand then ran off with them so she could plant them.

[Jeepers]

Ohhh, Casey has some special holiday meals coming up in her new abode. Maybe she'll get an extra pork rind for Thanksgiving. (I wish we could see her commissary list more.)

I bet KC is looking forward to canned gluotomin filled turkey with cranberry spots on it. yumm.....:tonguewag:
Wonder why we don't get to see our menus and boutique orders anymore. last one was when she was overdrawn -$7.45 and George saved her with a cool 50 then jumped on his cruise shippy and sailed away.

Don't you know KC was screamin like a jailhouse snitch!
Money, tats, cruise, chilli
The Good Life!

[summer]

I work in a pharmacy and we have a male customer who gets an IM injecton of Testosterone monthly. Could be George's RX and Cindy could have administered the monthly injections. After all, she's an RN.

Hi Patty, I have come around to this idea myself. I don't think Casey scrounged around random trashcans for a syringe nor do I think she took one from Cindy's office or stole one from a friend. I think she went the easiest route, which was taking one which was easily accessible from her own home. I think the testosterone came from either something George or Cindy were doing with it, most likely George.

I've also come around to the idea that she made the cloroform herself. I do believe if she had the determination she would be plenty capable of doing that. Another home project, like beading and other crafts (I realize they're not in the same category, but a *do it yourself* project would be up her alley.

Poor Caylee. The only thing worse that could have happened to her is if she was dumped still alive in the woods. Mercifully it seems that did not happen but I do think Casey would've done that too if it were more convenient.

May Casey and her parents rot in hell.

[Januarybaby]

But wasn't the syringe replaced in the package labeled "kit?" When you use a syringe in a medical setting, you take it out of the package, use it, throw away the plastic and place the syringe in a separate sharps container. You never throw a used syringe into the trash.

Now maybe if the syringe was being reused by a nonmedical person they might use it and then place it back in the package until the next use. That would be odd though.

I think she procured a new syringe that had not been opened yet. A million ways for her to get one. And maybe she was looking in medicine chests of the various apartments she visited and pocketed substances she found. Then just loaded a bunch of stuff into the needle along with the chloroform.

Geez, I don't know, I'm just rambling now.

When I worked with a vet, we would use the syringe then take it and snip the needle part off with a clipping thing where that part fell in and then the syringe itself was thrown into the red receptacle part. That was just for animal needles, I imagine they would do that with humans too, Im not really sure.

Also I had gestational diabetes with my last daughter. I bought a thing to clip the needle part off that caught the needle and held it til it was thrown out because I had a 4 yr old in the house.

[Lavinya]

I bet KC is looking forward to canned gluotomin filled turkey with cranberry spots on it. yumm.....:tonguewag:
Wonder why we don't get to see our menus and boutique orders anymore. last one was when she was overdrawn -$7.45 and George saved her with a cool 50 then jumped on his cruise shippy and sailed away.

Don't you know KC was screamin like a jailhouse snitch!
Money, tats, cruise, chilli
The Good Life!

"Boutique orders" :lol: :lol:

[summer]

I'll never understand why the Anthonys don't talk Casey into getting rid of Baez and into hiring a more qualified attorney. It's almost as if they want her to get LWOP or the DP.:scared:

IMO I don't think they care about her at all. I think their mad offensive scramble has everything to do with protecting themselves. They're in it up to their necks (and no I don't think they killed Caylee but what they have done is against the law).

Also I think whatever happened in the home triggered the *terminal event* and they don't want that discovered and will fight to the end to keep it under wraps. I have a feeling that at trial when it becomes clear to the defense that Casey has no chance, no chance at all, it will all come out. Maybe it'll have to wait till the sentencing stage but I don't think Casey will go down without taking her parents with her.

I think we'll find out.

[Jeepers]

If was any part of KC's defense team I would have to go pay her a visit and just ask her WTH is with the syringe and chloroform Sh*T.
I would have to know!
Then I would go and take a hot shower and rethink my position.:cursing:

[Lavinya]

Has there been any news about Dennis Milstead and Kidfinder's lately?

[Patty437]

I wonder if there's any communication between both C&G's sides of the family with them.

[Jeepers]

Has there been any news about Dennis Milstead and Kidfinder's lately?

They have been pretty quiet here lately. I guess they don't want to get a bad reputation hanging with the Anthony's and all that sorta thing. You know how people gossip!

[farrahrani]

But wasn't the syringe replaced in the package labeled "kit?" When you use a syringe in a medical setting, you take it out of the package, use it, throw away the plastic and place the syringe in a separate sharps container. You never throw a used syringe into the trash.

Now maybe if the syringe was being reused by a nonmedical person they might use it and then place it back in the package until the next use. That would be odd though.

I think she procured a new syringe that had not been opened yet. A million ways for her to get one. And maybe she was looking in medicine chests of the various apartments she visited and pocketed substances she found. Then just loaded a bunch of stuff into the needle along with the chloroform.

Geez, I don't know, I'm just rambling now.

I don't know much about how syringes are disposed of now but, I do know when taking my kids to get immunized, they would get rid of the syringe in a red biohazard can, it was very secure, and it was in the examining room, not out in the waiting room or near the front desk. So she would have to have had access to an examining room to get one. That would be a big risk for her to get caught by one of the nurses peeking in and of the rooms as they pass by.

My guess is she got it from home. Probably used. It might not have been straight testosterone in the needle. Don't some antibiotics contain mild amounts of steroids? I remember when I had pneumonia and bronchitis, I was given antibiotics and other things, and in my drugged haze I remember vaguely someone discussing steroid content in the medicine. Is it possible someone in the house was being treated for some illness and the medicine simply contained a small amount of steroids/testosterone?

[adair]

They have been pretty quiet here lately. I guess they don't want to get a bad reputation hanging with the Anthony's and all that sorta thing. You know how people gossip!


Cleaning diet pepsi off my screen..........:laugh:

[summer]

They have been pretty quiet here lately. I guess they don't want to get a bad reputation hanging with the Anthony's and all that sorta thing. You know how people gossip!

Ha! It's pretty bad when the stinky Milsteads have to worry about their associations but I bet you're right. Even THEY have some boundaries. Too funny.

[Lavinya]

They have been pretty quiet here lately. I guess they don't want to get a bad reputation hanging with the Anthony's and all that sorta thing. You know how people gossip!

I would reconsider my life choices if someone of the caliber of DM thought I would give *him* a bad rep. :laugh:

[Lavinya]

I don't know much about how syringes are disposed of now but, I do know when taking my kids to get immunized, they would get rid of the syringe in a red biohazard can, it was very secure, and it was in the examining room, not out in the waiting room or near the front desk. So she would have to have had access to an examining room to get one. That would be a big risk for her to get caught by one of the nurses peeking in and of the rooms as they pass by.

My guess is she got it from home. Probably used. It might not have been straight testosterone in the needle. Don't some antibiotics contain mild amounts of steroids? I remember when I had pneumonia and bronchitis, I was given antibiotics and other things, and in my drugged haze I remember vaguely someone discussing steroid content in the medicine. Is it possible someone in the house was being treated for some illness and the medicine simply contained a small amount of steroids/testosterone?

Most all steroids that are given for illness are cortico-steroids and not the androgen steroids like testosterone.

You are right that it is difficult to get a used syringe from a sharps container. They are specially designed to prevent tampering. It can be done, but you would have to work on it pretty hard, not just grab a syringe from it, specially a wrapped syringe.

[MrsHudson]

Hi Patty, I have come around to this idea myself. I don't think Casey scrounged around random trashcans for a syringe nor do I think she took one from Cindy's office or stole one from a friend. I think she went the easiest route, which was taking one which was easily accessible from her own home. I think the testosterone came from either something George or Cindy were doing with it, most likely George.

I've also come around to the idea that she made the cloroform herself. I do believe if she had the determination she would be plenty capable of doing that. Another home project, like beading and other crafts (I realize they're not in the same category, but a *do it yourself* project would be up her alley.

Poor Caylee. The only thing worse that could have happened to her is if she was dumped still alive in the woods. Mercifully it seems that did not happen but I do think Casey would've done that too if it were more convenient.

May Casey and her parents rot in hell.

Hmmm. George seems to be quite vain about his looks and he keeps his weight down so maybe he WAS doing some testosterone injections. Or maybe he had impotence problems?

"Testosterone is used in men and boys to treat conditions caused by a lack of this hormone, such as delayed puberty, impotence, or other hormonal imbalances. "


But can you get a prescription that allows you to inject yourself at home and not a doctors office? If the answer is yes then Wow! It would mean Casey could have gotten the syringe from her medicine cabinet at home or from the trash can. Maybe George injected himself, then put the used needle back in it's packaging and put it up or threw it away and Casey re used it.

[MrsHudson]

Most all steroids that are given for illness are cortico-steroids and not the androgen steroids like testosterone.

You are right that it is difficult to get a used syringe from a sharps container. They are specially designed to prevent tampering. It can be done, but you would have to work on it pretty hard, not just grab a syringe from it, specially a wrapped syringe.

Did Cindy actually work in a clinic where syringe's are available? I thought she worked for a home health agency which would be an office from which home health care workers are dispatched and supervised.

[adair]

I don't know much about how syringes are disposed of now but, I do know when taking my kids to get immunized, they would get rid of the syringe in a red biohazard can, it was very secure, and it was in the examining room, not out in the waiting room or near the front desk. So she would have to have had access to an examining room to get one. That would be a big risk for her to get caught by one of the nurses peeking in and of the rooms as they pass by.

My guess is she got it from home. Probably used. It might not have been straight testosterone in the needle. Don't some antibiotics contain mild amounts of steroids? I remember when I had pneumonia and bronchitis, I was given antibiotics and other things, and in my drugged haze I remember vaguely someone discussing steroid content in the medicine. Is it possible someone in the house was being treated for some illness and the medicine simply contained a small amount of steroids/testosterone?


I work for a veterinary hosital, we never keep sharps containers (with used needles/syringes in the exam rooms). After a syringe is used, the needle is removed, placed into the sharps container, Which is just outside the door.....and when you leave that room, you take the needles and syringes with you) some of the syringes are cleaned, disinfected and used for dispensing oral medications, etc.
We do not keep sharp containers in rooms after hearing horror stories of children, unsupervised by their parents, reaching into a sharps container and stabbing themselves. :w00t:

So who knows how kc got her paws on a syringe with a needle...but what i want to know was she actually injecting Caylee with this?
The more i read the sicker i get.

imo

[summer]

Trying to read through the new documents released. I just saw that they mention June 9th as the last day they reported seeing Caylee, I know that was the original date and it was changed to June 15, because of the video at the nursing home. I am thinking about June 9th, that was the last date that Casey had been with that guy Ricardo. I wonder if Casey said that date on purpose, before realizing the video was out there giving a different date?

Was Ricardo originally going to be the fall guy, till the video became known? Did Casey know that Ricardo used HGH? Ricardo did mention Chloroform, was she going to set him up for this? Ricardo did alert the investigators in his interview that Casey may have used his computer to search things, was he scared that she may have tried to set him up as the fall guy and making sure they knew she could have used his computer to search stuff?

Was chloroform really used or was it just part of a set up the whole time, filling syringe with it, leaving it in the woods near the body? Did Casey steal the duct tape from Ricardo too?

As far as I know only two people focused on Chloroform and that is Ricardo and Casey. Chloroform is a big focus in this case and now so is testosterone and that syringe, its no accident there was testosterone tracings in that syringe that was new, it was new right, haven't got that far yet!

I think that's an interesting theory except I'm convinced that Ricardo's chloroform joke was simply that, a joke. He's not the first to make the "win her over with chloroform" joke. It may be in poor taste but I've seen and heard a lot worse. I might even laugh at that joke myself if it wasn't in relation to this case.

[summer]

Hmmm. George seems to be quite vain about his looks and he keeps his weight down so maybe he WAS doing some testosterone injections. Or maybe he had impotence problems?

"Testosterone is used in men and boys to treat conditions caused by a lack of this hormone, such as delayed puberty, impotence, or other hormonal imbalances. "


But can you get a prescription that allows you to inject yourself at home and not a doctors office? If the answer is yes then Wow! It would mean Casey could have gotten the syringe from her medicine cabinet at home or from the trash can. Maybe George injected himself, then put the used needle back in it's packaging and put it up or threw it away and Casey re used it.

I think with Cindy being a nurse of something or other they were used to doing medical things at home. Because she knew it all and because it would probably save money. Also these days I think a lot of people their age use hormone type treatments for hair, for impotence, for sexual performance overall, to keep their bones strong? It's rampant. I don't know about getting a prescription but from recent news we've seen there are a lot of lackidasical doctors and you can pretty much get what you want if you shop around. Or if you were a long-term patient and if you or your spouse is a nurse (of something) a doc might let it slide. I think it could be this family's MO.

[Jeepers]

Cleaning diet pepsi off my screen..........:laugh:

Here cindy gave me some chloro .... handy wipes to clean up messes
Have one ...just don't inhale

[adair]

...and another thought, when was the last time that C&G dogs were at the vet? Did kc go, or offer to take them? The reason I ask is that in our hospital, in the exam rooms we do keep extra syringes that have the needles attached in the exam room drawers.......

Just thinking out loud....she is a thief, and who knows, it may have been months before this happened that she lifted that syringe, if she did steal it, that is.

[Patty437]

Hmmm. George seems to be quite vain about his looks and he keeps his weight down so maybe he WAS doing some testosterone injections. Or maybe he had impotence problems?

"Testosterone is used in men and boys to treat conditions caused by a lack of this hormone, such as delayed puberty, impotence, or other hormonal imbalances. "


But can you get a prescription that allows you to inject yourself at home and not a doctors office? If the answer is yes then Wow! It would mean Casey could have gotten the syringe from her medicine cabinet at home or from the trash can. Maybe George injected himself, then put the used needle back in it's packaging and put it up or threw it away and Casey re used it.

Yes you can get an RX for testosterone inj for home use. It's a monthy injection from a multi dose vial. Cindy's a nurse. George didn't have to self inject if he had a script for testosterone.

[summer]

Did Cindy actually work in a clinic where syringe's are available? I thought she worked for a home health agency which would be an office from which home health care workers are dispatched and supervised.

That's my understanding, Mrs Hudson, that she worked strictly in an office setting.

[damienstoy]

Did Casey steal the duct tape from Ricardo too?



Snipped to address:

The duct tape matches some found on George's gas cans. Evidently it came from their home.

[adair]

Hmmm. George seems to be quite vain about his looks and he keeps his weight down so maybe he WAS doing some testosterone injections. Or maybe he had impotence problems?

"Testosterone is used in men and boys to treat conditions caused by a lack of this hormone, such as delayed puberty, impotence, or other hormonal imbalances. "


But can you get a prescription that allows you to inject yourself at home and not a doctors office? If the answer is yes then Wow! It would mean Casey could have gotten the syringe from her medicine cabinet at home or from the trash can. Maybe George injected himself, then put the used needle back in it's packaging and put it up or threw it away and Casey re used it.


....well about G looks, after seeing the tat, that man should keep his shirt on.

imo

[Lavinya]

Did Cindy actually work in a clinic where syringe's are available? I thought she worked for a home health agency which would be an office from which home health care workers are dispatched and supervised.

That's what I always thought about where she worked. However, home health nurses often carry their own sharps container in the cases of patients that just need an injection occasionally and don't have their own sharp's container.

To answer about using injectable meds at home, yes, patients are often on IM or SQ meds at home. I have injected heparin or Lovenox twice a day for years through 2 different pregnancies and postpartum, Vit. B 12 for years, insulin for 6 months, Copaxone, Rebif, over the last year. I have used one or more injectable medication for more than 15 tears at home.

[adair]

Snipped to address:

The duct tape matches some found on George's gas cans. Evidently it came from their home.


But G didn't put it there, remember he would have put it on much more neatly........triple eye roll.

jmo

[summer]

Where's that triple eye roll? :lol: :lol:

[caphill]

zanny the manny....remember, there was testosterone in the syringe.

The contents of the bottle with syringe had traces of chloroform, ethanol and testosterone. Can anyone find in the FBI reports any reference that the Gatorade bottle, syringe had any connection to the crime scene or Casey>

The key word was traces of chloroform. To find traces of chloroform would not be unusual. Read any of the many sources of info and you find chloroform is found in many household cleaning products as well as emissions from natural sources. Tap water, offshore seawater, waste water sites are common sources of chloroform. 90% of the emissions of chloroform are natural in origin, the largest singe source being offshore seawater. The non natural sources are predominantly the result of using oxidising agents on organic material in the presence of chloride ion.

In other words using a bleaching product that has a chloride ion will produce traces of chloroform. The trunk of the car showing chloroform is not a smoking gun at all. There was decomposing materials in the garbage that could produce traces of chloroform as well as Cindy admission that she cleaned the trunk and left fabric softeners to try to offset the smell.

The traces of chloroform in the syringe could well have been from the water or a chemical reaction from the ethanol and testosterone. Again, I ask is there was any FBI report that links this bottle or any of the debris tossed at the recovery site to Casey?

What about the pregancy test kit found at the scene? Also there a pic of what appeared to a deflated Disney balloon. There was apparently no link of that balloon to Caylee or Casey.

Is there any more FBI lab reports yet to be released? To date there is no forensics or DNA that we know of that link Casey to any of the materials found at the scene or DNA or evidence of human decomposition in the trunk.

[DeeJay]

....well about G looks, after seeing the tat, that man should keep his shirt on.

imo

:scared: Cindy & Mallory should keep all their clothes on! eeewwww......:biggrinjester:

[achristie]

OMG. I think she taped her mouth shut, injected her , and left her in the trunk, or somewhere, to die. I'm having trouble finding any literature on injecting chloroform. It's only been done in labs and given intravenously. Most likely she gave it IM so the results would not be immediate. This is more horrible than I ever imagined.

MOO Aggie

[Lavinya]

Where's that triple eye roll? <STOLE YOUR LOL'S>

Right here. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[summer]

Right here. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

You're too good to me, Lav. (Had to make it a double so I could give you a :wub: )

[DeeJay]

But G didn't put it there, remember he would have put it on much more neatly........triple eye roll.

jmo

Here's the thing about G saying that....it helps the prosecution! :thumbsup:

It's common knowledge Casey isn't the neatest nor most organized person in the A household.

[Lavinya]

You're too good to me, Lav. (Had to make it a double so I could give you a :wub: )

:wub: Back atcha"!

[*MoonRider*]

Oh yeh her commissary list is SOOOOOOO important. :glare:

Flips me out, frankly, what interests some people......:laugh:

I enjoy seeing what Casey spends other peoples money on these days:rolleyes: bella vita

[Lavinya]

Poster Tulessa on the Orlando Sentinel posted this from a website that cites a drug with all the substances found in the syringe:

"Revivogen Scalp Therapy for hair loss
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss-articles/362.htm

Snipped from website ...

2.3 Testosterone

Testosterone: [4-14C] testosterone (Amersham B76, 54 mCi/mmole, 2.35 nmole/epidermis). [4-14C] testosterone stock-solution was dissolved in ethanol and diluted in sterile water (1% ethanol final).

2.5 Extractions and analysis

Transepidermal diffusion assessment: the amount of testosterone that passed through the epidermal tissues was measured by liquid scintillation counting (LKB 1211 Rackbeta counter) of a fraction of culture medium.

Metabolism analysis: the steroid molecules from culture media were extracted by 2 volumes of chloroform/methanol (98:2) and dried. The various molecular species (testosterone metabolites) were separated by thin layer chromatography (TLC) on silica plates (RE/Silice, Whatman) in a solvent system containing dichloromethane, ethylacetate and methanol (85:15:3). The plates were autoradiographed and testosterone metabolites were quantified using a phosphorImager and specific software (Packard instrument)."

[Jeepers]

The contents of the bottle with syringe had traces of chloroform, ethanol and testosterone. Can anyone find in the FBI reports any reference that the Gatorade bottle, syringe had any connection to the crime scene or Casey>

The key word was traces of chloroform. To find traces of chloroform would not be unusual. Read any of the many sources of info and you find chloroform is found in many household cleaning products as well as emissions from natural sources. Tap water, offshore seawater, waste water sites are common sources of chloroform. 90% of the emissions of chloroform are natural in origin, the largest singe source being offshore seawater. The non natural sources are predominantly the result of using oxidising agents on organic material in the presence of chloride ion.

In other words using a bleaching product that has a chloride ion will produce traces of chloroform. The trunk of the car showing chloroform is not a smoking gun at all. There was decomposing materials in the garbage that could produce traces of chloroform as well as Cindy admission that she cleaned the trunk and left fabric softeners to try to offset the smell.

The traces of chloroform in the syringe could well have been from the water or a chemical reaction from the ethanol and testosterone. Again, I ask is there was any FBI report that links this bottle or any of the debris tossed at the recovery site to Casey?

What about the pregancy test kit found at the scene? Also there a pic of what appeared to a deflated Disney balloon. There was apparently no link of that balloon to Caylee or Casey.

Is there any more FBI lab reports yet to be released? To date there is no forensics or DNA that we know of that link Casey to any of the materials found at the scene or DNA or evidence of human decomposition in the trunk.

Your Right, case solved open the jail house doors and let her out. Move along peeps nothing to see here. Let's just go find someone else to pick on.

[Lavinya]

I enjoy seeing what Casey spends other peoples money on these days:rolleyes: bella vita

Yeah, I'll save my "flipping out" on what a murderer does and not what interests someone else on a message board, myself.

ETA: Deleted a Freudian slip per Spots.

[summer]

Poster Tulessa on the Orlando Sentinel posted this from a website that cites a drug with all the substances found in the syringe:

"Revivogen Scalp Therapy for hair loss
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss-articles/362.htm

Snipped from website ...

2.3 Testosterone

Testosterone: [4-14C] testosterone (Amersham B76, 54 mCi/mmole, 2.35 nmole/epidermis). [4-14C] testosterone stock-solution was dissolved in ethanol and diluted in sterile water (1% ethanol final).

2.5 Extractions and analysis

Transepidermal diffusion assessment: the amount of testosterone that passed through the epidermal tissues was measured by liquid scintillation counting (LKB 1211 Rackbeta counter) of a fraction of culture medium.

Metabolism analysis: the steroid molecules from culture media were extracted by 2 volumes of chloroform/methanol (98:2) and dried. The various molecular species (testosterone metabolites) were separated by thin layer chromatography (TLC) on silica plates (RE/Silice, Whatman) in a solvent system containing dichloromethane, ethylacetate and methanol (85:15:3). The plates were autoradiographed and testosterone metabolites were quantified using a phosphorImager and specific software (Packard instrument)."

Holy smokes. There ya go.

[Spots]

Yeah, I'll save my "flipping out" on what a murderer does and not what interests someone else on a massage board, myself.

Dr. Freud, I presume?

:lol:

[Lavinya]

Dr. Freud, I presume?

:lol:

:blushing: :tonguewag:

[caphill]

Trying to read through the new documents released. I just saw that they mention June 9th as the last day they reported seeing Caylee, I know that was the original date and it was changed to June 15, because of the video at the nursing home. I am thinking about June 9th, that was the last date that Casey had been with that guy Ricardo. I wonder if Casey said that date on purpose, before realizing the video was out there giving a different date?

Was Ricardo originally going to be the fall guy, till the video became known? Did Casey know that Ricardo used HGH? Ricardo did mention Chloroform, was she going to set him up for this? Ricardo did alert the investigators in his interview that Casey may have used his computer to search things, was he scared that she may have tried to set him up as the fall guy and making sure they knew she could have used his computer to search stuff?

Was chloroform really used or was it just part of a set up the whole time, filling syringe with it, leaving it in the woods near the body? Did Casey steal the duct tape from Ricardo too?

As far as I know only two people focused on Chloroform and that is Ricardo and Casey. Chloroform is a big focus in this case and now so is testosterone and that syringe, its no accident there was testosterone tracings in that syringe that was new, it was new right, haven't got that far yet!

I wouldn't get too excited about the traces of chloroform, ethanol, water and testosterone in that container of discarded Gatorade found at the recovery scene. Because I am not a chemist I did not bother to read the trace of amounts of chloroform in that bottle. I would bet the trace amounts of chloroform in the bottle was not enough to choke a fly.

Do a little research on the Internet and you find that chloroform can be all around you. It is found in tap water, offshore seawater, waste water, waste dump sites etc. Many household cleaning products are a source of chloroform.

Until the FBI reports the bottle, the syringe and needle are in any way linked to Casey or Caylee I would leave the hysterics over this debris to Nancy Grace.

[coffee1950j]

I was just reading a "Question and Answers' article about Anthony Sowell, the Ohio serial killer. As you may know, his house smelled horrible for years and many thought the smell was coming from the sausage factory.

A big question being asked is WHY? Why didn't anyone realize what the smell was? Here is an answer from a pathologist - {And I think this can be related to the Anthony's and their knowledge of what the smell was coming from Casey's car}

"A renowned pathologist said that many people don't recognize the smell of a decomposing body because it is a distinct smell most people are fortunate enough not to experience"

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/11/an_faq_on_the_anthony_sowell_c.html

I agree about many people not recognizing the smell. Many many years ago my dad was driving our family down a road and the windows were open (before a/c was in cars). We all smelled something really bad. We (the rest of the family) just thought it was a bad smell, but my dad, who had been in the army and had smelled death in the camps, said it smelled like a dead body. A week or so later there was a body found in the woods right there.

So, like GA said, it's apparently a smell you never, ever forget. GA KNOWS exactly what it was. Regardless of what he now says about pizza, etc.

[GumShoeJoe]

The contents of the bottle with syringe had traces of chloroform, ethanol and testosterone. Can anyone find in the FBI reports any reference that the Gatorade bottle, syringe had any connection to the crime scene or Casey>

The key word was traces of chloroform. To find traces of chloroform would not be unusual. Read any of the many sources of info and you find chloroform is found in many household cleaning products as well as emissions from natural sources. Tap water, offshore seawater, waste water sites are common sources of chloroform. 90% of the emissions of chloroform are natural in origin, the largest singe source being offshore seawater. The non natural sources are predominantly the result of using oxidising agents on organic material in the presence of chloride ion.

In other words using a bleaching product that has a chloride ion will produce traces of chloroform. The trunk of the car showing chloroform is not a smoking gun at all. There was decomposing materials in the garbage that could produce traces of chloroform as well as Cindy admission that she cleaned the trunk and left fabric softeners to try to offset the smell.

The traces of chloroform in the syringe could well have been from the water or a chemical reaction from the ethanol and testosterone. Again, I ask is there was any FBI report that links this bottle or any of the debris tossed at the recovery site to Casey?

What about the pregancy test kit found at the scene? Also there a pic of what appeared to a deflated Disney balloon. There was apparently no link of that balloon to Caylee or Casey.

Is there any more FBI lab reports yet to be released? To date there is no forensics or DNA that we know of that link Casey to any of the materials found at the scene or DNA or evidence of human decomposition in the trunk.

I thought about this too: would be easy to have chloroform all over the evidence as a natural part/by product of things?

Yet, it is not common evidence in criminal trials. Here, it is showing up all over the place. Why here? Water? I don't think so. Why not in the bazillion other cases where lab results or chemical analyis have come into play?

And the concentration of chloroform in the trunk was a BIG number.

And that pesky computer search.

It's a problem for the defense. A big problem. But keep trying.

[trich]

I still have to wonder if there is evidence to prove that the bottle with the syringe etc indeed is part of the murder of Caylee.
Hopefully if it is I hope there is some kind of proof that that bottle had not been thrown in the area with other garbage.
If introduced as evidence there has to be some way to link it to Casey IMO.
I hope that proof exists.

[velvetbrown]

[QUOTE=Lavinya;13621450]Poster Tulessa on the Orlando Sentinel posted this from a website that cites a drug with all the substances found in the syringe:

"Revivogen Scalp Therapy for hair loss
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss-articles/362.htm

Hmmm, George has a pretty good head of hair, maybe Cindy needed it. Living with George and Casey, she had to have been ripping her hair out!

[denjet]

You're not alone Jeepie, I think many people were relunctant to think the worst, even tho the signs were all there that we are absolutely dealing with a monster here, imo.

Even Len Padilla and Tracy McLaughlin have been stomach punched with this latest evidence.

I think there were those people, who were still holding out hope this was some sort of accident.

I think with the release of this evidence, that is all in the past and most people now know Caylee Anthony suffered a very horrific death at the hands of her mother.

Morning folks!

I think a lot of people with some form of knowledge about the case and even the ones that felt KC was in some way responsible, were shocked by yesterdays news ...

Should be interesting to see how the defense and the A's try to soften and divert this new info ... I'm sure it will be "out there" and that they'll use the testosterone as their reasonable doubt ...

It made me think of how a juror who knows nothing about the case will react to hearing all the facts of the case ... I dont' care if they fly the jurors in from the moon ... hearing the facts and watching the stone cold killer's reaction or non-reaction to the evidence will be horrifying ...

It gives me more confidence that a death penalty jury will sentence KC to death ... JMO

[caphill]

Your Right, case solved open the jail house doors and let her out. Move along peeps nothing to see here. Let's just go find someone else to pick on.


The discarded bottle with a liquids of water, ethanol, testosterone and trace chloroform does not solve this case nor determine how, when or where this little girl was killed. Having answers to this murder case is no closer than when Caylee was reported missing. The discovery of her body is proof and evidence that she was killed and discarded.

Because Casey proved to be a liar and a thief it assumed that she also is a murderer. She may have killed her daughter and is lying through her clinched teeth. I am still waiting to see if the evidence will surface that proves that. I know the emotions about the death of Caylee are enough to have a lynching in the public square tomorrow.

I am still very happy to see any accused have the rights to a fair trial based good honest evidence of the crime to which they are accused. Anything wrong with that?

[summer]

[QUOTE=Lavinya;13621450]Poster Tulessa on the Orlando Sentinel posted this from a website that cites a drug with all the substances found in the syringe:

"Revivogen Scalp Therapy for hair loss
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss-articles/362.htm

Hmmm, George has a pretty good head of hair, maybe Cindy needed it. Living with George and Casey, she had to have been ripping her hair out!

IMO George has a good head of hair and he wants to keep it! I think he might have a slight bit of vanity going on...

Not saying it was necessarily from his medication, could be from Cindy's or something else altogether. It's just that it's not a stretch to think George was into hair loss prevention.

[MrsHudson]

snipped......

Is there any more FBI lab reports yet to be released? To date there is no forensics or DNA that we know of that link Casey to any of the materials found at the scene or DNA or evidence of human decomposition in the trunk.

You are so funny! :rolleyes:

[Jeepers]

Here is the article stating where the syringe was found.

Investigators say they found traces of chloroform that was found on a bottle and a syringe.

There was very damning evidence found at the scene where Caylee’s remains were found inside a Disney bag, including a bottle of Cool Blue Gatorade, but when they opened it they found instead a substance containing chloroform and cleaning fluid and a syringe holding a substance containing the potentially deadly chloroform. Records show the Gatorade bottle they found was partially full of a fluid that was later through testing determined to contain chloroform and cleaning fluid. Inside the bottle was a plastic pouch containing a syringe where investigators also found chloroform.

[boo]

I like seeing what she spends other people's money on, too. If that makes me strange, so be it. There is plenty of other stuff to flip out about where this case is concerned.

[velvetbrown]

[QUOTE=summer;13621518][QUOTE=velvetbrown;13621504]

IMO George has a good head of hair and he wants to keep it! I think he might have a slight bit of vanity going on...

Anthonys vain? Those shy, retiring folk...?

[MrsHudson]

snipped

I am still very happy to see any accused have the rights to a fair trial based good honest evidence of the crime to which they are accused. Anything wrong with that?

Nothing at wrong with it except that there IS honest, good, fair evidence and the problem is that you are one of those types who won't convict unless there is a video tape of the crime. And there almost NEVER IS A VIDEO TAPE. Plus you seem to think you are sort of above the rest of us because you are so fair minded.

A responsible jury with common sense and common logic is going to convict Casey Anthony of the pre-meditated murder of her daughter. Accept it.

[velvetbrown]

If Casey is proved innocent, I will fly her first class to my home, cook homemade chili, and hand feed her, wiping her little chin...

[trich]

[QUOTE=summer;13621518][QUOTE=velvetbrown;13621504]

IMO George has a good head of hair and he wants to keep it! I think he might have a slight bit of vanity going on...

Anthonys vain? Those shy, retiring folk...?

Maybe it was Lee's ....:shrug:

[Lavinya]

If Casey is proved innocent, I will fly her first class to my home, cook homemade chili, and hand feed her, wiping her little chin...

And I will come hold her head *very* still for you to wipe her chinny chin chin. :sneaky:

[denjet]

I was just reading a "Question and Answers' article about Anthony Sowell, the Ohio serial killer. As you may know, his house smelled horrible for years and many thought the smell was coming from the sausage factory.

A big question being asked is WHY? Why didn't anyone realize what the smell was? Here is an answer from a pathologist - {And I think this can be related to the Anthony's and their knowledge of what the smell was coming from Casey's car}

"A renowned pathologist said that many people don't recognize the smell of a decomposing body because it is a distinct smell most people are fortunate enough not to experience"

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/11/an_faq_on_the_anthony_sowell_c.html

I equate decomp smell to skunks, once you've smelled it you never forget it ...

I find it hard to believe that the A's never got even a whiff of the order when KC's car had been there ... she was backing it up in the garage, she may have even attempted cleaning it in there ... George walked to the back of the car to get the gas cans when it was outside ... so I find it hard to believe that when they picked up the car and brought it home that something didn't trigger memory of smelling that recently ... granted in small doses maybe it's hard to distinguish it from say dead rodents ... but once they had the car, they didn't put 2 and 2 together ??

It's just one more reason that makes me believe that they KNEW, when they got the car THEY KNEW ... JMO

[MrsHudson]

Here is the article stating where the syringe was found.

Investigators say they found traces of chloroform that was found on a bottle and a syringe.

There was very damning evidence found at the scene where Caylee’s remains were found inside a Disney bag, including a bottle of Cool Blue Gatorade, but when they opened it they found instead a substance containing chloroform and cleaning fluid and a syringe holding a substance containing the potentially deadly chloroform. Records show the Gatorade bottle they found was partially full of a fluid that was later through testing determined to contain chloroform and cleaning fluid. Inside the bottle was a plastic pouch containing a syringe where investigators also found chloroform.

LE went through the A's medicine cabinet. Do we know what was found there? If there's a list somewhere we can easily determine if Georgie was taking something with testosterone in it. My thought is that it is George's not a boyfriend of Casey's.

[velvetbrown]

And I will come hold her head *very* still for you to wipe her chinny chin chin. :sneaky:

... and then we can light Jose's cigar in Macy's window...

[DeeJay]

If Casey is proved innocent, I will fly her first class to my home, cook homemade chili, and hand feed her, wiping her little chin...

Hey!! I'll take her to Target and let her shop on my Target credit card! It has a ten grand limit. :thumbsup:

Casey probably misses her Target shopping more than anything else! :laugh:

[Lavinya]

... and then we can light Jose's cigar in Macy's window...

:laugh::laugh: I wonder how Jose's tummy problems are coming along about now? Surely he's come to hate the odious defendant by now?

[boo]

And I'll spring for her next tattoo. Bella Vita part deux. :smile:

[Scampi]

zanny the manny....remember, there was testosterone in the syringe.

:lol: So clever!!!

[Lavinya]

And I'll spring for her next tattoo. Bella Vita part deux. :smile:

Oh her forehead. :w00t:

[charmin 66]

And I'll spring for her next tattoo. Bella Vita part deux. :smile:

Put me down for the dermatologist.

[denjet]

Wouldn't it be great if prints are on the wrapper or the syringe barrel? Oh, wait, Zanny planted em!!

It sure would ... one thing that's been lacking from the evidence is that of prints including on the duct tape, the bottle and syringe ... info on exclusion of latent prints (George, Cindy, Lee) on the duct tape has been released but no info on WHY they needed to be excluded ... also no info on other types of prints on the duct tape ... just seems odd to me that there's been no definitive report saying NO prints .... until I read differently, I'll hold out hope that their ARE prints on evidence that will be show at trial ... JMO

[DeeJay]

And I'll spring for her next tattoo. Bella Vita part deux. :smile:

Ya think she thinks she's having a Bella Vita....since she's been sitting locked up in a jail cell? Betcha she hates that tat now.

[velvetbrown]

...then she'll be ready to dance the pole at The Men's Club...

[Lavinya]

...then she'll be ready to dance the pole at The Men's Club...

Not until she cleans up that back! B A R F!!! Nancy Grace really stuck it to her last night when she ordered a full view of Casey's back to be broadcast. :scared:

[trich]

I thought about this too: would be easy to have chloroform all over the evidence as a natural part/by product of things?

Yet, it is not common evidence in criminal trials. Here, it is showing up all over the place. Why here? Water? I don't think so. Why not in the bazillion other cases where lab results or chemical analyis have come into play?

And the concentration of chloroform in the trunk was a BIG number.

And that pesky computer search.

It's a problem for the defense. A big problem. But keep trying.

Even though I wondered myself about whether they could link the bottle to Casey I agree that since there are so many links to chloroform as you said it could not be a coincidence....no such thing I hear in criminal investigations.
Along with all the other evidence that just continues to link everything together .....there does not seem to be any evidence that stands alone by itself.....they all seem to link back to Casey.

[velvetbrown]

Not until she cleans up that back! B A R F!!! Nancy Grace really stuck it to her last night when she ordered a full view of Casey's back to be broadcast. :scared:

It'll be OK, Charm's taking her to the dermotologist...'member?...you 'member...

[denjet]

zanny the manny....remember, there was testosterone in the syringe.

:lol: No wonder they couldn't find Zanny !!!
(and maybe he/she was no longer a 10?)

[morson]

LE went through the A's medicine cabinet. Do we know what was found there? If there's a list somewhere we can easily determine if Georgie was taking something with testosterone in it. My thought is that it is George's not a boyfriend of Casey's.


Wasn't there a text message or something to Lee (from Casey) stating that she and Cindy had taught Caylee to "do shots"? This was info released very early in the case, and there was much debate here about what that meant---do shots or take shots, etc. If they were getting her used to having a shot, what the H was going on in that home? Maybe Cindy has more reasons to be in cover-up mode than just protecting the OC!

[Lavinya]

It'll be OK, Charm's taking her to the dermotologist...'member?...you 'member...

Oh :punch: me! I thought she meant she wanted to do the tatt! :laugh: I get it now, duh.

[summer]

Wasn't there a text message or something to Lee (from Casey) stating that she and Cindy had taught Caylee to "do shots"? This was info released very early in the case, and there was much debate here about what that meant---do shots or take shots, etc. If they were getting her used to having a shot, what the H was going on in that home? Maybe Cindy has more reasons to be in cover-up mode than just protecting the OC!

I think it was pretend shots of liquor myself.

[desmom]

That's what I always thought about where she worked. However, home health nurses often carry their own sharps container in the cases of patients that just need an injection occasionally and don't have their own sharp's container.

To answer about using injectable meds at home, yes, patients are often on IM or SQ meds at home. I have injected heparin or Lovenox twice a day for years through 2 different pregnancies and postpartum, Vit. B 12 for years, insulin for 6 months, Copaxone, Rebif, over the last year. I have used one or more injectable medication for more than 15 tears at home.

Cindy told LE about Lee being sick in high school. Anyone remember the details? Could the testosterone been something Lee received for his illness?

[Scampi]

The discarded bottle with a liquids of water, ethanol, testosterone and trace chloroform does not solve this case nor determine how, when or where this little girl was killed. Having answers to this murder case is no closer than when Caylee was reported missing. The discovery of her body is proof and evidence that she was killed and discarded.

Because Casey proved to be a liar and a thief it assumed that she also is a murderer. She may have killed her daughter and is lying through her clinched teeth. I am still waiting to see if the evidence will surface that proves that. I know the emotions about the death of Caylee are enough to have a lynching in the public square tomorrow.

I am still very happy to see any accused have the rights to a fair trial based good honest evidence of the crime to which they are accused. Anything wrong with that?


You aren't the only poster here that wants KC to have a fair trial. That way, the conviction will stand.

BTW, you may want to review the evidence released yesterday. The chloroform was found inside the syringe and the needle part still had the plastic cover on it. All of that was found inside the bottle.

IMO, this is devastating to the defendant who had high concentrations of chloroform in the trunk of her car and searches for how to make chloroform on her computer.

[denjet]

LE went through the A's medicine cabinet. Do we know what was found there? If there's a list somewhere we can easily determine if Georgie was taking something with testosterone in it. My thought is that it is George's not a boyfriend of Casey's.

I believe they photographed prescriptions and made a list ... I remember seeing a handwritten list in one of the docs ... I'm still looking for it ...

But remember OSCO went back after the Dec 11th for more evidence from the A's home ?? It's got me wondering now ... hmmmm

[Scampi]

Cindy told LE about Lee being sick in high school. Anyone remember the details? Could the testosterone been something Lee received for his illness?

Des, I thought over at WS someone mentioned that the drug given for the ailment lee had, contained testosterone. I couldn't tell you where to look for it tho, WS has stuff scattered all about. It could be on the syringe thread tho, now that I think on it.

[velvetbrown]

I think it was pretend shots of liquor myself.

...Nice...

[Lavinya]

I think it was pretend shots of liquor myself.

I do too. I can't think of a reason you would say "taught to do shots". I could understand if it was "taught about shots" or "taught how to deal with shots" or something like that but I think it was shots as in "Fusion shot girl" shots.

I have never given my own kids a shot. That's what their Dr. is for. You're on a slippery slope doing it yourself unless ordered by a Dr. IMO.

[*MoonRider*]

Even though I wondered myself about whether they could link the bottle to Casey I agree that since there are so many links to chloroform as you said it could not be a coincidence....no such thing I hear in criminal investigations.
Along with all the other evidence that just continues to link everything together .....there does not seem to be any evidence that stands alone by itself.....they all seem to link back to Casey.

There are thousands of convictions with only circumstantial evidence. Casey will be added to the list with Scott Peterson. imo

[summer]

Des, I thought over at WS someone mentioned that the drug given for the ailment lee had, contained testosterone. I couldn't tell you where to look for it tho, WS has stuff scattered all about. It could be on the syringe thread tho, now that I think on it.

I think it was called Acutane? or something like that...

[velvetbrown]

I can hear Cindy now..."No running, no diving, and no salt on Granny's margarita"...

[velvetbrown]

[QUOTE=Lavinya;

I have never given my own kids a shot. That's what their Dr. is for. You're on a slippery slope doing it yourself unless ordered by a Dr. IMO.[/QUOTE]

Heck, the Docs make the Nurses give the shots...

[summer]

...Nice...

Yeah well just *normal* playtime at the Anthony home. Guess they thought this was funny and cute. No one ever said they had taste or class.

And Lavinya ITA. It would be too weird for Casey to tell someone they were teaching Caylee to do shots if it were the syringe type. That's just major ick and even weirder and stupider than teaching a 2-year old how to do liquor shots. I think even Casey would realize that would sound beyond the beyond.

[summer]

I can hear Cindy now..."No running, no diving, and no salt on Granny's margarita"...

Hee hee! LOVE YOU!

[caphill]

I thought about this too: would be easy to have chloroform all over the evidence as a natural part/by product of things?

Yet, it is not common evidence in criminal trials. Here, it is showing up all over the place. Why here? Water? I don't think so. Why not in the bazillion other cases where lab results or chemical analyis have come into play?

And the concentration of chloroform in the trunk was a BIG number.

And that pesky computer search.

It's a problem for the defense. A big problem. But keep trying.

Gumshoe, the report from Dr. Haskell also states the chloroform amounts were higher that what would be expect from a decomposing body. My interpretation of that was the possibly the chloroform may have been produced from the cleaning products that Cindy used to try to clean up and freshen the stinky trunk. Also it was report that sheets of fabric softener was placed in the trunk to offset the smell. Keep in mind the car trunk analysis was done after Cindy cleaned the trunk.

A cleaning product that had chlorides ions could produce chloroform. I have no idea how Caylee was killed. I am not alone in that lack of knowledge. Dr. G ruled the death as a homicide with cause of death unknown.

[Lavinya]

Heck, the Docs make the Nurses give the shots...

Oh I know! I just mean I want it to be something the Dr. orders and I'll let the Dr.s nurse be the "bad guy". I always hated doing painful things to any of my patients and I especially hate hurting the kids whether it's for their own good or not. I contract out their "hurts", lol.

[FrankieBones1]

Your Right, case solved open the jail house doors and let her out. Move along peeps nothing to see here. Let's just go find someone else to pick on.
Hi, Jeepers. :biggrin:
LE probably has so much more than the syringe. I can't imagine any juror finding her not guilty when this is said and done.
IMO

[Jeepers]

Put me down for the dermatologist.

I will drive and buy lunch.:thumbsup:

[velvetbrown]

...I'll give Cindyt he benefit of the doubt...my Mom gave me a shot glass of milk at dinner ONLY because I would drink all my milk first and then be 'too full' to eat...it never had 'drinking' connotations...I gave my kids shot glasses for the same reason...little tummies fill up fast...I just refilled them throughout mealtime as necessary...

[Scampi]

I think it was called Acutane? or something like that...

Yes, iirc he had a reaction to the acne med accutane.

[Lavinya]

This is so true, gator...
I remember when I was managing a small apartment complex many years ago when I was in my early 20's. The guy under me died and was there in his apartment for 3-4 days. Every time I came home from work the property reeked of a horrible indescribable smell. They were tarring the roofs next door at the time and even with that distinct strong smell of tar it didn't cover the smell we were smelling.
Once you have experienced death you never forget it.:crying:

I have been around large dead animals such as boar, cows, bobcats, etc. on our farm when I was a kid and though the smell differs some from humans, I KNOW the smell of decomposition. I never smelled it as a nurse even though I had to pronounce patient's deaths in our facility, though.

[summer]

...I'll give Cindyt he benefit of the doubt...my Mom gave me a shot glass of milk at dinner ONLY because I would drink all my milk first and then be 'too full' to eat...it never had 'drinking' connotations...I gave my kids shot glasses for the same reason...little tummies fill up fast...I just refilled them throughout mealtime as necessary...

It seems that what Casey and Cindy were doing with the shot glasses was a little bit different. Sounded to me like they were laughing about teaching Caylee how to *do* shots. Totally different meaning. :wub:

[summer]

I don't think they actually put alcohol in the shot glasses, though. But the association with liquor was there. Very cute! :mad:

[Lavinya]

Pressed Turkey, powdered mashed taters, Hard rolls (they get them from the day old bread company) and a preschoolers box of milk. Mmmmmm, that will surely hit the spot.:glare:

Don't forget the congealed powdered gravy! Oh well, things will only look up for her at Christmas. Surely the jail chaplain will give her a pocket calendar and she may get a new toothbrush.

[desmom]

LE went through the A's medicine cabinet. Do we know what was found there? If there's a list somewhere we can easily determine if Georgie was taking something with testosterone in it. My thought is that it is George's not a boyfriend of Casey's.

pages 48 - 49 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/18740668/detail.html

Lexapro 10 mg - prescribed 10/07/2008
Cepuroxime 250 m - prescribed 7/11/2007
Protonix 40 mg - prescribed 3/11/2004
Altace 5 mg - prescribed 6/11/2004
Propoxyphenen with Apap tabs - prescribed 6/19/2006
Carisoprodol 350 mg - prescribed 6/19/2006
Clonazepam .5 mg - prescribed 8/13/2008
Hydrochlorothiazide 12.5 mg - pescribed 11/22/2008
Lexapro 10 mg - prescribed 11/06/2008
Lexapro 10 mg - prescribed 12/06/2008

[*MoonRider*]

I will drive and buy lunch.:thumbsup:

I'll do a drive by :angry:

[Jeepers]

Hi, Jeepers. :biggrin:
LE probably has so much more than the syringe. I can't imagine any juror finding her not guilty when this is said and done.
IMO

Franki I agree. They don't ask questions they don't know the answers to.
I don't think they would have said it if there was not something to back it up. The syringe in the Disney Bag says alot . They have a lot more jmo.
They also picked up straws and candy wrapper I did not hear anything on that.
They know what belonged to the scene and what did not.

What was it KC said to Tracy about chloroform? Anyone remember?

[Jeepers]

I'll do a drive by :angry:

I will drive slow and duck. Just let me know when!

[Scampi]

Gumshoe, the report from Dr. Haskell also states the chloroform amounts were higher that what would be expect from a decomposing body. My interpretation of that was the possibly the chloroform may have been produced from the cleaning products that Cindy used to try to clean up and freshen the stinky trunk. Also it was report that sheets of fabric softener was placed in the trunk to offset the smell. Keep in mind the car trunk analysis was done after Cindy cleaned the trunk.

A cleaning product that had chlorides ions could produce chloroform. I have no idea how Caylee was killed. I am not alone in that lack of knowledge. Dr. G ruled the death as a homicide with cause of death unknown.

Could you show us the interview where cynthia told LE she used any cleaning products on the trunk?

[DeeJay]

It seems that what Casey and Cindy were doing with the shot glasses was a little bit different. Sounded to me like they were laughing about teaching Caylee how to *do* shots. Totally different meaning. :wub:

:ohmy: Oh my dear Lord!, Cindy was doing this as well? :w00t:

Caylee's better off without that classless family.

[Lavinya]

pages 48 - 49 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/18740668/detail.html

Lexapro 10 mg - prescribed 10/07/2008
Cepuroxime 250 m - prescribed 7/11/2007
Protonix 40 mg - prescribed 3/11/2004
Altace 5 mg - prescribed 6/11/2004
Propoxyphenen with Apap tabs - prescribed 6/19/2006
Carisoprodol 350 mg - prescribed 6/19/2006
Clonazepam .5 mg - prescribed 8/13/2008
Hydrochlorothiazide 12.5 mg - pescribed 11/22/2008
Lexapro 10 mg - prescribed 11/06/2008
Lexapro 10 mg - prescribed 12/06/2008

THANKS, Des! :thumbsup: No androgens. (I'm assuming there is a typo on Cepuroxime and it's cefuroxime, Ceftin, an antibiotic.)

[MrsHudson]

You aren't the only poster here that wants KC to have a fair trial. That way, the conviction will stand.

BTW, you may want to review the evidence released yesterday. The chloroform was found inside the syringe and the needle part still had the plastic cover on it. All of that was found inside the bottle.

IMO, this is devastating to the defendant who had high concentrations of chloroform in the trunk of her car and searches for how to make chloroform on her computer.

Here's what I want to know.

Why would Casey abandon a perfectly good car? I mean if nasty stuff was planted in Casey's car AFTER she abandoned it, if it was just a car that ran out of gas or was not working, there would be no reason at all for Casey to just leave it there for good and not come back for it or send her dad or a boyfriend to get it!!!

After food, clothing and shelter the next things any 20 year old girl living in the fast track needs are

1. A CAR
2. A CELL PHONE

The mere fact that Casey (gad about that she was) would walk away from her car and just forget it existed is 100% percent suspicious. Who in their right mind would do that? Especially when she needed it to look for the kidnapper. Unless there was something in or about that car that made it 100% so unusable that it was not worth salvaging even for scrap she would have gotten help to get her car back. In fact except for the smell the car ran fine when George drove it home. So she lied to Tony about the car not working, and lied to him that her dad would come after it. Why?


Why if she was innocent would she need to do this? Why would she just walk away from car that was running fine?

[*MoonRider*]

pages 48 - 49 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/18740668/detail.html

Lexapro 10 mg - prescribed 10/07/2008
Cepuroxime 250 m - prescribed 7/11/2007
Protonix 40 mg - prescribed 3/11/2004
Altace 5 mg - prescribed 6/11/2004
Propoxyphenen with Apap tabs - prescribed 6/19/2006
Carisoprodol 350 mg - prescribed 6/19/2006
Clonazepam .5 mg - prescribed 8/13/2008
Hydrochlorothiazide 12.5 mg - pescribed 11/22/2008
Lexapro 10 mg - prescribed 11/06/2008
Lexapro 10 mg - prescribed 12/06/2008

Was Cindy Dr. shopping? :confused:

[caphill]

It sure would ... one thing that's been lacking from the evidence is that of prints including on the duct tape, the bottle and syringe ... info on exclusion of latent prints (George, Cindy, Lee) on the duct tape has been released but no info on WHY they needed to be excluded ... also no info on other types of prints on the duct tape ... just seems odd to me that there's been no definitive report saying NO prints .... until I read differently, I'll hold out hope that their ARE prints on evidence that will be show at trial ... JMO


Brady discovery requirements would prevent the prosecution from withholding evidence from the defense. To suddenly spring forth withheld evidence until the trial would be a huge no no.

[MrsHudson]

It seems that what Casey and Cindy were doing with the shot glasses was a little bit different. Sounded to me like they were laughing about teaching Caylee how to *do* shots. Totally different meaning. :wub:

No I think it's that Cindy being a nurse was teaching Caylee to give pretend shots (injections.)

[Lavinya]

That's funny. Hysterical. :confused: The tongue wagging is so expressive and intelligent.

Are you here to discuss the case or all the rest of the dumb, hysterical posters here? Why would you come to a message board and continually criticize it?

[Lavinya]

Was Cindy Dr. shopping? :confused:

They were given a month apart and will sometimes be new RX's for each month.

[velvetbrown]

That's funny. Hysterical. :confused: The tongue wagging is so expressive and intelligent.

You seem angry today...

[Dunlurken]

Been off this board for a while, but I have a question. Can you inject someone with Chloroform?

[*MoonRider*]

You seem angry today...

"In Greek mythology it was considered to represent the vain queen Cassiopeia, who boasted about her unrivaled beauty."

One must not anger the queen. :scared:

[velvetbrown]

"In Greek mythology it was considered to represent the vain queen Cassiopeia, who boasted about her unrivaled beauty."

One must not anger the queen. :scared:

...'Fisties'...

[caphill]

Could you show us the interview where cynthia told LE she used any cleaning products on the trunk?

No I can not show the transcripts of the LE interviews of how or what products Cindy used in cleaning the trunk. I could refer to numerous posts here on this forum of the discussions of Cindy cleaning the trunk and washing Casey's slacks that were found in the car.

Would it be a stretch to assume that the car was cleaned with some type of household cleaner. In light of the bad smell I would think Cindy would have used more that water to wipe down the trunk. Wasn't there a report a sheet of fabric softener placed in the trunk to offset smell?

[DeeJay]

Here's what I want to know.

Why would Casey abandon a perfectly good car? I mean if nasty stuff was planted in Casey's car AFTER she abandoned it, if it was just a car that ran out of gas or was not working, there would be no reason at all for Casey to just leave it there for good and not come back for it or send her dad or a boyfriend to get it!!!

After food, clothing and shelter the next things any 20 year old girl living in the fast track needs are

1. A CAR
2. A CELL PHONE

The mere fact that Casey (gad about that she was) would walk away from her car and just forget it existed is 100% percent suspicious. Who in their right mind would do that? Especially when she needed it to look for the kidnapper. Unless there was something in or about that car that made it 100% so unusable that it was not worth salvaging even for scrap she would have gotten help to get her car back. In fact except for the smell the car ran fine when George drove it home. So she lied to Tony about the car not working, and lied to him that her dad would come after it. Why?


Why if she was innocent would she need to do this? Why would she just walk away from car that was running fine?

Plus, her car was her lifeline.....She abandoned it b/c she could not get rid of the decomp odor....she had run out of gas MANY of times and never abandoned the car....She just got more gas...even stealing it from the shed.

Matter of fact, I doubt a week was not complete unless Casey had run out of gas at least once.

[desmom]

I think it was called Acutane? or something like that...

Yes, iirc he had a reaction to the acne med accutane.

Thank you. :seeya:

page 360, line 21: http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html

Q: Okay. You also mentioned that when Lee was about 15, he had -- he started to have some issues?

A: Yes.

Q: That would be depression?

A: Yes. He had an adverse reaction to Accutane, the medicine for acne.

Q: Okay.

A: And he went into what they call ITP, where his platelets went from normal down to 13,000 which was extremely dangerous. At any time my son could have died through that time. And your normal is supposed to be 150,000 and he went down to 13,000 withing a month. And that was abnormal.

And he had to be in the hospital and have treatment for that and was on restriction for a year-and-a-half where he could not drive, participate in sports, and you know, had to take precautions because he could bleed out at any time. If he would have been hit in the head, he could have died. And my son was playing basketball and volleyball at the time that we had noted that.

ITP = Idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura
https://health.google.com/health/ref/Idiopathic+thrombocytopenic+purpura+%28ITP%29
a bleeding disorder in which the immune system destroys platelets, which are necessary for normal blood clotting. Persons with the disease have too few platelets in the blood.

If the disease does not get better with prednisone, other treatments may include:

* A medicine called danazol (Danocrine) taken by mouth
* Injections of high-dose gamma globulin (an immune factor)
* Drugs that suppress the immune system
* Filtering antibodies out of the blood stream
* Anti-RhD therapy for people with certain blood types

Okay - blows my theory. :tonguewag:

[2Hope4]

Was Cindy Dr. shopping? :confused:

With only the post you replied to, NO, not doctor shopping. When someone is severly depressed, and placed on an antidepressant, rarely will a doctor prescribe more than a month's worth at a time. Frequently they will only send you home with two weeks supply, and have you return in two weeks until they feel you're doing better. At that point, they'll prescribe a month's supply, and continue to have you return in a month so they can keep an eye on how you're doing. The rate of suicide INCREASES when an antidepressant is supplied to some people. Therefore, a doctor would be negligent NOT to keep close contact with a patient.

They'll also only do a month at a time when changing antidepressants. Therefore the patient MUST return to get another prescription, again, the doctor can monitor the depression and make sure the new med is working. After a few months, then they'll give out prescriptions with refills.

No I don't have a link backing up, as I'm not taking the time to verify what I know is the truth. This knowledge comes from years of working as a nurse, and with dealing with depression in the past 10yrs with myself, family, and friends.

So I'll state, IMO.

[Aunt]

No I can not show the transcripts of the LE interviews of how or what products Cindy used in cleaning the trunk. I could refer to numerous posts here on this forum of the discussions of Cindy cleaning the trunk and washing Casey's slacks that were found in the car.

Would it be a stretch to assume that the car was cleaned with some type of household cleaner. In light of the bad smell I would think Cindy would have used more that water to wipe down the trunk. Wasn't there a report a sheet of fabric softener placed in the trunk to offset smell?

There is NO evidence at all, that Cindy used chloroform to clean that trunk. In fact, Cindy would have claimed the chloroform was her doing, in order to save her murdering daughter, and she did not.
She didn't even lie about it.

Facts are in the evidence, not pulled willy nilly from the sky.

[velvetbrown]

Been off this board for a while, but I have a question. Can you inject someone with Chloroform?

All I found is that chloroform is PAINFUL if injected, as it damages veins...I hope that stupid girl didn't inject that baby...

[DeeJay]

Been off this board for a while, but I have a question. Can you inject someone with Chloroform?

Oh yes indeed....it's a liquid.

[2Hope4]

IGNORE, and/or BLOCK posters instead of responding and having this board shut down. You all know the drill. So just a friendly reminder. IGNORE, IGNORE, IGNORE! Responding only feeds the problem.

[caphill]

Here's what I want to know.

Why would Casey abandon a perfectly good car? I mean if nasty stuff was planted in Casey's car AFTER she abandoned it, if it was just a car that ran out of gas or was not working, there would be no reason at all for Casey to just leave it there for good and not come back for it or send her dad or a boyfriend to get it!!!

After food, clothing and shelter the next things any 20 year old girl living in the fast track needs are

1. A CAR
2. A CELL PHONE

The mere fact that Casey (gad about that she was) would walk away from her car and just forget it existed is 100% percent suspicious. Who in their right mind would do that? Especially when she needed it to look for the kidnapper. Unless there was something in or about that car that made it 100% so unusable that it was not worth salvaging even for scrap she would have gotten help to get her car back. In fact except for the smell the car ran fine when George drove it home. So she lied to Tony about the car not working, and lied to him that her dad would come after it. Why?


Why if she was innocent would she need to do this? Why would she just walk away from car that was running fine?


Maybe she was embarrassed to let Tony know she was out of gas again and had no money to buy gas. After all she led Tony to believe she was working.

[MrsHudson]

No I can not show the transcripts of the LE interviews of how or what products Cindy used in cleaning the trunk. I could refer to numerous posts here on this forum of the discussions of Cindy cleaning the trunk and washing Casey's slacks that were found in the car.

Would it be a stretch to assume that the car was cleaned with some type of household cleaner. In light of the bad smell I would think Cindy would have used more that water to wipe down the trunk. Wasn't there a report a sheet of fabric softener placed in the trunk to offset smell?

I think you can check every single post of mine and not find one where I asserted that Cindy cleaned out the car with cleaning fluids. There was a lot of junk and garbage found in that car so I don't think she cleaned it out with cleaning fluid. I think it was so vile they would not go near it for very long at a time to get to the cleaning fluid stage.

[Dunlurken]

There is NO evidence at all, that Cindy used chloroform to clean that trunk. In fact, Cindy would have claimed the chloroform was her doing, in order to save her murdering daughter, and she did not.
She didn't even lie about it.

Facts are in the evidence, not pulled willy nilly from the sky.The combination of several products create chlorform. JMO.

[desmom]

Could you show us the interview where cynthia told LE she used any cleaning products on the trunk?

Does Febreze count?

Cindy said she used Febreze in the front seat, backseat and the trunk on pages 124-125 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html

She may have also Febrezed Mama Doll and may have wiped the face with a wet-nap on page 335 at the same link.

The active ingredient in Febreze is beta-cyclodextrin per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Febreze

jmo

[Dunlurken]

Oh yes indeed....it's a liquid.
Thanks for the response. Here's my question.... why use a syringe, and toss the bottle of chloroform away, as well as the syringe, unless you are just plain STUPID?

Just cover the person's mouth with a cloth.

[Dunlurken]

Does Febreze count?

Cindy said she used Febreze in the front seat, backseat and the trunk on pages 124-125 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html

She may have also Febrezed Mama Doll and may have wiped the face with a wet-nap on page 335 at the same link.

The active ingredient in Febreze is beta-cyclodextrin per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Febreze

jmo
This is why the air samples won't "fly" in court. JMO.

[MissouriGMom]

Maybe she was embarrassed to let Tony know she was out of gas again and had no money to buy gas. After all she led Tony to believe she was working.


Well, if she were so embarrassed, why did she take TonE with her to steal the gas cans from her parent's shed just three days before?

Just saying.

[summer]

Thanks for the response. Here's my question.... why use a syringe, and toss the bottle of chloroform away, as well as the syringe, unless you are just plain STUPID?

Just cover the person's mouth with a cloth.

Comment of the day. :laugh:

[DeeJay]

Thanks for the response. Here's my question.... why use a syringe, and toss the bottle of chloroform away, as well as the syringe, unless you are just plain STUPID?

Just cover the person's mouth with a cloth.

B/c Casey isn't smart....she does not know it can be placed on a cloth and held over the nose. That would be my guess.

Casey never watched this done by doctors in old movies.

[MrsHudson]

Maybe she was embarrassed to let Tony know she was out of gas again and had no money to buy gas. After all she led Tony to believe she was working.

So she abandoned a perfectly good working car? Because of a little pride? She's such a good liar I am sure she could have come up with a lie to tell Tony about why she had no money for gas. For example,

Can I borrow some gas money?

I forgot to cash a check yesterday.
I left my credit card in my other purse.
I thought I had three 20's in my purse but I only had two.

What she did was.....

She told Tony her dad was coming to get the car (as if she had already called him) but of course we know it was Amscot who had to notify the A's of the car being abandoned. So what's the reason she never called her dad to come and get the car? Why did she just leave it for good? She told Tony later I think that her dad was going to buy her a new car. Right? That was baloney. So why did she lie about that? Everything she told Tony about the car was a lie.

Why? Why did she abandon her car for good?

[summer]

B/c Casey isn't smart....she does not know it can be placed on a cloth and held over the nose. That would be my guess.

Casey never watched this done by doctors in old movies.

I think she did know she could use a cloth. She didn't want a temporary shut-down of Caylee, she wanted a *permanent solution* IMO.

[MrsHudson]

B/c Casey isn't smart....she does not know it can be placed on a cloth and held over the nose. That would be my guess.

Casey never watched this done by doctors in old movies.

That's what I think too. I bet she figured you don't drink it but if you don't drink it then you must inject it like certain medicines.

[summer]

Or as the Anthonys so delicately and sensitively phrase it... a TERMINAL EVENT. How gracious.

[desmom]

This is why the air samples won't "fly" in court. JMO.

The air sample testing is not something many have heard or read about. IMO, it would be a tough sale to any jury.

[Scampi]

Here's what I want to know.

Why would Casey abandon a perfectly good car? I mean if nasty stuff was planted in Casey's car AFTER she abandoned it, if it was just a car that ran out of gas or was not working, there would be no reason at all for Casey to just leave it there for good and not come back for it or send her dad or a boyfriend to get it!!!

After food, clothing and shelter the next things any 20 year old girl living in the fast track needs are

1. A CAR
2. A CELL PHONE

The mere fact that Casey (gad about that she was) would walk away from her car and just forget it existed is 100% percent suspicious. Who in their right mind would do that? Especially when she needed it to look for the kidnapper. Unless there was something in or about that car that made it 100% so unusable that it was not worth salvaging even for scrap she would have gotten help to get her car back. In fact except for the smell the car ran fine when George drove it home. So she lied to Tony about the car not working, and lied to him that her dad would come after it. Why?


Why if she was innocent would she need to do this? Why would she just walk away from car that was running fine?


Very good questions Mrs. H. I was hoping that Cassiopeia or caphill would jump in with a REASONABLE answer for you......... :wink:

If you remember during one of the very first jailhouse visits by cynthia and george to the accused babykiller, cynthia asked her why she didn't go back to the car or tell them it was there and KC refused to answer.

It's going to be very interesting to see what nonsense this desperate defense comes up with as an answer to this question, besides the obvious and correct one that she abandoned it cuz it stank to high heaven with the decomposition of her dead daughter. :cuss:

[Dunlurken]

The air sample testing is not something many have heard or read about. IMO, it would be a tough sale to any jury.

I agree with you, and as a juror, I wouldn't buy it. JMO. Especially with everything else we know.

[DeeJay]

I think she did know she could use a cloth. She didn't want a temporary shut-down of Caylee, she wanted a *permanent solution* IMO.

Once the chloroform is breathed in, it would only take a minute for sedation to set in....then she put the duct tape over the mouth and nose...which she did anyway.

[Dunlurken]

Once the chloroform is breathed in, it would only take a minute for sedation to set in....then she put the duct tape over the mouth and nose...which she did anyway.
No fingerprints on the tape, so how do you know this?

[DeeJay]

No fingerprints on the tape, so how do you know this?

It just fits with all the other evidence, from the decomp in the car, etc., etc.

I am not sure about no prints on the tape...just that those eleminated were, G, C & L....IIRC.

[MrsHudson]

This is why the air samples won't "fly" in court. JMO.

Of course the air samples will fly. But they won't be conclusive, just another straw to break the camel's back.

Whatever, it' so stupid of Cindy to use Fabreeze to try to eliminate the odor of a human body decomposing. Like trying to kill an elephant with a BB gun. She's such a dufuss.

[Scampi]

The air sample testing is not something many have heard or read about. IMO, it would be a tough sale to any jury.

IIRC, there is an area where the air sampling test is commonly used and that is in the insurance industry to determine the causes of fires.

I believe the testing results should be allowed in and explained to the jury and they as the tryors of fact can determine its weight.

Wasn't Florida one of the first states to allow the new technology of dna testing into a trial?

[MrsHudson]

I agree with you, and as a juror, I wouldn't buy it. JMO. Especially with everything else we know.

What?? I can't get over this from some of you. Of course the air sample testing is going to be helpful. Fabreeze or no Fabreeze. Add the air sample findings to the grave wax and the coffin flys found plus the "smell of a dead body" and it's a slam dunk.

[DeeJay]

Of course the air samples will fly. But they won't be conclusive, just another straw to break the camel's back.

Whatever, it' so stupid of Cindy to use Fabreeze to try to eliminate the odor of a human body decomposing. Like trying to kill an elephant with a BB gun. She's such a dufuss.

A dufuss....:laugh: So true.

To say nothing of her tampering with evidence...like washing the slacks. :sneaky:

[haveaniceday]

another pro KC site is using the male hormone as evidence that a
male did the crime
http://asecondbreath.net

[Tornado]

So she abandoned a perfectly good working car? Because of a little pride? She's such a good liar I am sure she could have come up with a lie to tell Tony about why she had no money for gas. For example,

Can I borrow some gas money?

I forgot to cash a check yesterday.
I left my credit card in my other purse.
I thought I had three 20's in my purse but I only had two.

What she did was.....

She told Tony her dad was coming to get the car (as if she had already called him) but of course we know it was Amscot who had to notify the A's of the car being abandoned. So what's the reason she never called her dad to come and get the car? Why did she just leave it for good? She told Tony later I think that her dad was going to buy her a new car. Right? That was baloney. So why did she lie about that? Everything she told Tony about the car was a lie.

Why? Why did she abandon her car for good?

Hello, been a while since I have been here but with KC I am thinking that she was going to use some excuse that the car was stolen, or she was carjacked and Caylee was abducted. I don't think that KC thought the car would be towed but rather that it (and the smell) would draw attention enough to have the Pd called. KC could have claimed the car was stolen with Caylee in it or that the nanny had the car at the time. She had a scenario for ditching that car but it did not work out well for her.

[desmom]

Very good questions Mrs. H. I was hoping that Cassiopeia or caphill would jump in with a REASONABLE answer for you......... :wink:

If you remember during one of the very first jailhouse visits by cynthia and george to the accused babykiller, cynthia asked her why she didn't go back to the car or tell them it was there and KC refused to answer.

It's going to be very interesting to see what nonsense this desperate defense comes up with as an answer to this question, besides the obvious and correct one that she abandoned it cuz it stank to high heaven with the decomposition of her dead daughter. :cuss:


BBM - but, but Cindy told the media, (or was it LE), Casey left a note on the car.

I had to leave my car in a parking lot once. I did not leave a note on the car. I went inside and spoke with the owner and explained the situation. I gave him my name and phone number in case there was a problem before I could return.

Why would Casey leave a note on the car and not go into Amscot and explain the situation? Casey called Tone around 11:28 a.m. pages 3-4 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Lazaro%20%20Tony.090808.pdf I am sure Amscot would be open at that time.

Ooops light bulb moment - page 205 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel
Mrs. Sanchez is the branch manager of 7051 East Colonial Drive (Amscot Financial). On June 27, 2008 at approximately 0700 hours, Mrs. Sanchez arrived at 7051 East Colonial Drive for her shift. Mrs. Sanchez observed a white Pontiac parked next to the business' dumpster, but took no action.

Was Mrs. Sanchez mistaken about the time or was Casey hoofing it around the neighborhood until Tone was out of class?

jmo

[MrsHudson]

IIRC, there is an area where the air sampling test is commonly used and that is in the insurance industry to determine the causes of fires.

I believe the testing results should be allowed in and explained to the jury and they as the tryors of fact can determine its weight.

Wasn't Florida one of the first states to allow the new technology of dna testing into a trial?

Yes Florida was. People are not seeing the Body Farm as the professional and necessary forensics experts they are. They don't do those tests for a hobby. Those tests are not junk science they are carefully conducted. The results' while not conclusive may be helpful in adding to the weight of circumstantial. I'd say very helpful if I was a juror.

[AnnieKins]

Ohhh, Casey has some special holiday meals coming up in her new abode. Maybe she'll get an extra pork rind for Thanksgiving. (I wish we could see her commissary list more.)

I wish we could send her special treats. :smile:

[Jeepers]

Does Febreze count?

Cindy said she used Febreze in the front seat, backseat and the trunk on pages 124-125 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html

She may have also Febrezed Mama Doll and may have wiped the face with a wet-nap on page 335 at the same link.

The active ingredient in Febreze is beta-cyclodextrin per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Febreze

jmo

Yes, Frebreze along with fabric softeners .

[MrsHudson]

BBM - but, but Cindy told the media, (or was it LE), Casey left a note on the car.

I had to leave my car in a parking lot once. I did not leave a note on the car. I went inside and spoke with the owner and explained the situation. I gave him my name and phone number in case there was a problem before I could return.

Why would Casey leave a note on the car and not go into Amscot and explain the situation? Casey called Tone around 11:28 a.m. pages 3-4 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Lazaro%20%20Tony.090808.pdf I am sure Amscot would be open at that time.

Ooops light bulb moment - page 205 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel
Mrs. Sanchez is the branch manager of 7051 East Colonial Drive (Amscot Financial). On June 27, 2008 at approximately 0700 hours, Mrs. Sanchez arrived at 7051 East Colonial Drive for her shift. Mrs. Sanchez observed a white Pontiac parked next to the business' dumpster, but took no action.

Was Mrs. Sanchez mistaken about the time or was Casey hoofing it around the neighborhood until Tone was out of class?

jmo

Cindy said there was a note on the car? Cindy? Pffft, Cindy is known liar. Who else said there was a note on the car? Someone who does not lie would be preferable.

[Scampi]

I wish we could send her special treats. :smile:

Actually, I have toyed with the idea of writing to her several times. You know, to keep her updated on what people think of her.


:sneaky:

[MrsHudson]

Why does everyone spell Tony's name Tone.

Tone?

It's Tony, short for Anthony.

[desmom]

IIRC, there is an area where the air sampling test is commonly used and that is in the insurance industry to determine the causes of fires.

I believe the testing results should be allowed in and explained to the jury and they as the tryors of fact can determine its weight.

Wasn't Florida one of the first states to allow the new technology of dna testing into a trial?

I think it should be allowed also, but I think some people will have difficulty accepting the air tests.

IMO, Simon Burch, George Anthony and LE's testimony about the odor and George's testimony about the stain will carry more weight with the jury than the air sample tests.

[AnnieKins]

Oh yeh her commissary list is SOOOOOOO important. :glare:

Flips me out, frankly, what interests some people......:laugh:

Just because it isn't important to you doesn't mean it's not important to some others. I don't give a fig what she eats, but that doesn't mean anything. Mind your manners. :smile:

[denjet]

pages 48 - 49 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/18740668/detail.html

Lexapro 10 mg - prescribed 10/07/2008
Cepuroxime 250 m - prescribed 7/11/2007
Protonix 40 mg - prescribed 3/11/2004
Altace 5 mg - prescribed 6/11/2004
Propoxyphenen with Apap tabs - prescribed 6/19/2006
Carisoprodol 350 mg - prescribed 6/19/2006
Clonazepam .5 mg - prescribed 8/13/2008
Hydrochlorothiazide 12.5 mg - pescribed 11/22/2008
Lexapro 10 mg - prescribed 11/06/2008
Lexapro 10 mg - prescribed 12/06/2008

Thank you!! Thank you !!! You're the best, des !! :thumbsup:

[Scampi]

I think it should be allowed also, but I think some people will have difficulty accepting the air tests.

IMO, Simon Burch, George Anthony and LE's testimony about the odor and George's testimony about the stain will carry more weight with the jury than the air sample tests.

I think it can be explained in such a way that the ordinary juror could understand. The concept is reasonable enough, imo, especially in this day and age of all kind of detectors that people have in their homes, only the testing at the Body Farm is much more scientific and specialized.

Let them hear it and then they can determine if it's "junk science."

[farrahrani]

No I can not show the transcripts of the LE interviews of how or what products Cindy used in cleaning the trunk. I could refer to numerous posts here on this forum of the discussions of Cindy cleaning the trunk and washing Casey's slacks that were found in the car.

Would it be a stretch to assume that the car was cleaned with some type of household cleaner. In light of the bad smell I would think Cindy would have used more that water to wipe down the trunk. Wasn't there a report a sheet of fabric softener placed in the trunk to offset smell?

I don't recall the dryer sheet. I said that I used a dryer sheet when the kids spilled stuff in the car and it smelled even after I cleaned it up.

I know specifically Cindy mentioned Febreeze, but don't recall if she named any other cleaning agent by name.

[Jeepers]

Actually, I have toyed with the idea of writing to her several times. You know, to keep her updated on what people think of her.


:sneaky:

That is so thoughtful of you. George would be thrilled to know someone dropped her a rope I mean a line.
If you do write please send my regards.

[desmom]

Why does everyone spell Tony's name Tone.

Tone?

It's Tony, short for Anthony.

I think Tone is the way Anthony Lazzaro spelled his name on myspace, facebook, IM or some where on the internet and people just picked up on it. Also there are 2 Tonys involved with Casey, Anthony Lazzaro aka Tone and Anthony Rusciano, former police officer. When someone posts Tone, we know they are talking about Lazzaro and not Rusciano.

jmo

[summer]

Why does everyone spell Tony's name Tone.

Tone?

It's Tony, short for Anthony.

Mrs H - I think it started early on because IIRC he spelled it this way on his Facebook or MySpace? Sort of a hip-hop spelling because he was a DJ or something... TonE.

[summer]

Coke Des. Coke Summer. :smile:

[DeeJay]

I think it should be allowed also, but I think some people will have difficulty accepting the air tests.

IMO, Simon Burch, George Anthony and LE's testimony about the odor and George's testimony about the stain will carry more weight with the jury than the air sample tests.


So true, so true...Not only that, but he said he hoped his daughter's or granddaughter's bodies weren't in the trunk just seconds prior to opening it.

G is locked into those 2 things....He cannot testify in court, it was pizza.

[summer]

I'll weigh in and say I think the Body Farm conclusions will come in - it's no longer space age speculative science. They're a highly renowned and respected organization and it will be accepted by the judge and jury. IMO.

[Spots]

Actually, I have toyed with the idea of writing to her several times. You know, to keep her updated on what people think of her.


:sneaky:

George would appreciate that, I'm sure.

:rolleyes:

[AnnieKins]

I think you're too smart for this board. Youre not ruled by emotions.

:laugh: You're both too smart for this board! :laugh:

[desmom]

I don't recall the dryer sheet. I said that I used a dryer sheet when the kids spilled stuff in the car and it smelled even after I cleaned it up.

I know specifically Cindy mentioned Febreeze, but don't recall if she named any other cleaning agent by name.

Inventory of trash bag from trunk of car
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20321119/detail.html
5 fabric softener sheets

There was also a fabric softener sheet on the floor of the trunk per page 3 http://www.wftv.com/news/18530418/detail.html

[farrahrani]

Just because it isn't important to you doesn't mean it's not important to some others. I don't give a fig what she eats, but that doesn't mean anything. Mind your manners. :smile:

That's true Anniekins.

However in THIS case, I think what she purchases really does say a lot about her as a person. Nothing for her complexion, very little in the way of personal hygiene or personal needs, ONE sports bra, but LOTS of food. Creature comforts. Lots of little luxuries (by prison standards) but little of the basic necessities most people would require.

She purchases a LOT of food. LOTS of it. And it's all junk. Says a lot about her priorities, and her lack of self control. Rather than be frugal and space out her purchases, she went through that money fairly quickly. Not that any of that will be used in trial but its still interesting to learn more about her personality.

[AnnieKins]

IGNORE, and/or BLOCK posters instead of responding and having this board shut down. You all know the drill. So just a friendly reminder. IGNORE, IGNORE, IGNORE! Responding only feeds the problem.

You're right Hope. Thanks for the reminder. That's all these folks live for.

[Spots]

Why does everyone spell Tony's name Tone.

Tone?

It's Tony, short for Anthony.

Hope this hasn't been answered already.

Anthony Lazzaro used the monikker TonE in his gig at Fusion. It just helps us differentiate between Tony Ruscitano (sp?) and TonE Lazzaro, not to mention that entire Anthony family.

ETA: <sigh> One of these days I'll get there first.

Too many Caseys, too many Lees, too many Anthonys in this case.

[velvetbrown]

Cindy said there was a note on the car? Cindy? Pffft, Cindy is known liar. Who else said there was a note on the car? Someone who does not lie would be preferable.

Where exactly did Cindy see this note? At the tow yard? It survived the tow and the weather? The tow truck driver didn't see it?

[Postergeist]

pages 48 - 49 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/18740668/detail.html

Lexapro 10 mg - prescribed 10/07/2008
Cepuroxime 250 m - prescribed 7/11/2007
Protonix 40 mg - prescribed 3/11/2004
Altace 5 mg - prescribed 6/11/2004
Propoxyphenen with Apap tabs - prescribed 6/19/2006
Carisoprodol 350 mg - prescribed 6/19/2006
Clonazepam .5 mg - prescribed 8/13/2008
Hydrochlorothiazide 12.5 mg - pescribed 11/22/2008
Lexapro 10 mg - prescribed 11/06/2008
Lexapro 10 mg - prescribed 12/06/2008

TY des-

Carisoprodol 350 mg - prescribed 6/19/2006

This drug aka Soma (a muscle relaxant) was Rx'd to Cindy Anthony also propoxyphene aka Darvon - prescribed on the same day 6/19/2006.


I recall some texts of Casey mentioning that her mom had hurt her back doing gardening- but do you recall if this was while Casey was still living at home or after she left for "bonding/work/vacationing/taking care of her injured nanny" story that Cindy said Casey was doing?

However, we know that Casey had a habit of lying about her family's illnesses- and the timing of them. Just was wondering if Casey texting this injury of her mom she was just going 'back in time' to 2 yrs. prior of Cindy's back issue. (she had her dad having a stroke too last yr)


(I do wonder how Cindy was managing things for 4 months of not seeing Caylee before she gets the Rx for anxiety and depression- makes me think back to that one video of her where she seemed very out of it, if that was during the week of Oct. 7, when George did most all of the talking)

[AnnieKins]

Actually, I have toyed with the idea of writing to her several times. You know, to keep her updated on what people think of her.


:sneaky:

I've thought the same thing, Scamp. But then I recall that anyone who gets involved in any way in this case, seems to be cursed. That does it for me. :rolleyes:

[Jeepers]

another pro KC site is using the male hormone as evidence that a
male did the crime
http://asecondbreath.net

The is same same site that called us Blood Sucking Hordes or something to that effect.. Not new just new dribble

[DeeJay]

Where exactly did Cindy see this note? At the tow yard? It survived the tow and the weather? The tow truck driver didn't see it?

It's just another figment (lie) of Cindy's imagination and trying to "sell" it into reality to anyone who'd buy it.

There never was a note.

Cindy missed her calling. She'd made a good def attorney....throw everything on the wall and see what sticks.

[velvetbrown]

TY des-

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(I do wonder how Cindy was managing things for 4 months of not seeing Caylee before she gets the Rx for anxiety and depression- makes me think back to that one video of her where she seemed very out of it, if that was during the week of Oct. 7, when George did most all of the talking)

She was drinkin' the Koolaid...

[justsuppose]

But wasn't the syringe replaced in the package labeled "kit?" When you use a syringe in a medical setting, you take it out of the package, use it, throw away the plastic and place the syringe in a separate sharps container. You never throw a used syringe into the trash.

Now maybe if the syringe was being reused by a nonmedical person they might use it and then place it back in the package until the next use. That would be odd though.

I think she procured a new syringe that had not been opened yet. A million ways for her to get one. And maybe she was looking in medicine chests of the various apartments she visited and pocketed substances she found. Then just loaded a bunch of stuff into the needle along with the chloroform.

Geez, I don't know, I'm just rambling now.The visit to Jesse's bathroom?

[velvetbrown]

My MD hubby comes home with pockets of crap...empty syringes, empty bottles, unopened syringes, etc...too tired to clean out his pockets...Cindy probably did the same, and Casey being the little opportunist that she is, made use of it...

[denjet]

Brady discovery requirements would prevent the prosecution from withholding evidence from the defense. To suddenly spring forth withheld evidence until the trial would be a huge no no.
I didn't say the defense has not been given this evidence ... if it were particularly damning they could have it sealed until trial as I understand it ... also, if you've read all the documents that have been released, you would know about the many, many pages that are missing from public view ... that is what I based my comment on ... what have you based your comment on ??? :huh:

[MrsHudson]

Mrs H - I think it started early on because IIRC he spelled it this way on his Facebook or MySpace? Sort of a hip-hop spelling because he was a DJ or something... TonE.

Ohhhh. Never new that. Thanks.

[Postergeist]

She was drinkin' the Koolaid...

true dat! I'm fuzzy on the timeline here tho- when their PI D. Casey went poking around with his stick and the video camera if that could be around the first week of Oct.- the whole sneaky deal of that crew going out looking for the remains of Caylee but to not report any findings to LE on that- if that is when Cindy then got the confirmation from Baez & group that Caylee was dead thus her need THEN, Oct. 7 for the Rx for depression. ???

[denjet]

I'll weigh in and say I think the Body Farm conclusions will come in - it's no longer space age speculative science. They're a highly renowned and respected organization and it will be accepted by the judge and jury. IMO.

And the defense has a MOUNTAIN of evidence to discredit ... they don't have to prove their client is innocent, true, but how on earth can they discredit every single piece of evidence and results and all of the labs and experts ??
Seems they have a better chance of having the case dismissed .... or pigs flying ...

[Lavinya]

I wish we could send her special treats. :smile:

I will send the lobster newberg with shrimp cocktail and crawfish etouffee and even some crab puffs.

[Lavinya]

Actually, I have toyed with the idea of writing to her several times. You know, to keep her updated on what people think of her.


:sneaky:

I have, too. I even have 2 cards for her. I only hesitate because I can't figure out if she would love the attention. I would hate to kick myself if I found out she *liked* it, lol.

[Scampi]

No I can not show the transcripts of the LE interviews of how or what products Cindy used in cleaning the trunk. I could refer to numerous posts here on this forum of the discussions of Cindy cleaning the trunk and washing Casey's slacks that were found in the car.

Would it be a stretch to assume that the car was cleaned with some type of household cleaner. In light of the bad smell I would think Cindy would have used more that water to wipe down the trunk. Wasn't there a report a sheet of fabric softener placed in the trunk to offset smell?

Let me help you then, there is no transcript of or any video of an interview with cynthia where she says she cleaned that trunk with any household cleaners.

Cynthis told LE the only thing she did was use Febreze on the interior of that car.

[seeing_eye]

I think you're too smart for this board. Youre not ruled by emotions.

Well, at least we have emotions - unlike the murderer of little Caylee.

[Scampi]

I will send the lobster newberg with shrimp cocktail and crawfish etouffee and even some crab puffs.

LOL, I'll pitch in with you to make sure she has more shrimp then she can handle....... :tongueside:

[DeeJay]

And the defense has a MOUNTAIN of evidence to discredit ... they don't have to prove their client is innocent, true, but how on earth can they discredit every single piece of evidence and results and all of the labs and experts ??
Seems they have a better chance of having the case dismissed .... or pigs flying ...

Exactly. The def cannot refute the unrefuteable in this case...there's just so much of it! And it just keeps coming at'em.

If Casey had a brain, she would change her plea to guilty and take what's coming to her doled out by the judge.

Instead, she's rolling the dice and will face the death penalty. Whereas if she were to plead guilty, the worst she can get is Life....which in FL means Life w/out parole.

If she has not been advised of this, someone's not giving her a fair go.

Me? I am fine with her facing the dp.

[charmin 66]

This is why the air samples won't "fly" in court. JMO.

We don't need the air samples to "fly", we have coffin "flies".