Caylee 11/06

[desmom]

More Casey Anthony Documents Coming
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/11/5/more_casey_anthony_documents_coming.html

More Casey Anthony documents expected Friday
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-discovery-20091105,0,737078.story

State Attorney To Release Unseen Casey Evidence
1,000 More Pages Of Anthony Case Documents Expected
http://www.wesh.com/news/21532034/detail.html

:thumbup:

[Kathlb]

Good Morning Desmom. Thanks for the links. I am hoping that the doc dump today contains some of the testing info we are waiting on. :biggrin:

[desmom]

Good Morning Kathlb! :seeya: I am hoping for a lot of new info. Some of the past doc dumps have included duplicates of things we have already seen.

While we wait, I found this link in yesterday's thread: http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=383 a very interesting read about Casey's activities on July 1-2. Her cell phone pings put Casey in the area of Caylee's remains, Lee's house and the Anthony house at 4:48 a.m.

I posted on yesterday's thread:

The time line could explain Casey's collection of skeleton pics LE found on her computer. Also Tone told LE after he returned from NY on July 5, 2008 Casey was having night sweats. He said it happened 2-4 times (pages 3-4 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1553039/Anthony-Lazaro-Full-Transcript-Taped-Interview-Casey-Anthony-Case-Documents )

Was Caylee haunting Casey's sleep?

If Casey did visit Caylee's remains on the morning of July 2, what would have been the condition of Caylee's little body? If Caylee died on June 16, it would have been 16 days.

Did Casey actually see Caylee? Would that explain why when Ricardo woke up on July 2, Casey was doing laundry? (page 21 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1643158/Morales-Ricardo---Statement )

Also on July 2 -

Amy's $400 went missing - page 32 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1642949/Huizenga-Amy---Statement

Casey made an appointment at Cast Iron Tattoos - page 7 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1642677/Daly-Sean---Statement

jmo

[Scampi]

Morning everyone! "Unseen Casey Evidence" music to my little shrimp ears.

Interesting points Des about the dates early in July. I also noticed that cynthia's cell phone calls to casey anthony went off the charts during the first days of July and of course they are both on the computer composing things. cynthia her Caylee is missing and casey her Diary of Days. Something was definetly going on.....

[DoubleFelix]

I head on local ABC news station this morning that sister station in Orlando said alot of the doc dump would be FBI inrterviews. Were they one of the interviewers of Mark Hawkins, perhaps?

[adair]

Morning everyone! "Unseen Casey Evidence" music to my little shrimp ears.

Interesting points Des about the dates early in July. I also noticed that cynthia's cell phone calls to casey anthony went off the charts during the first days of July and of course they are both on the computer composing things. cynthia her Caylee is missing and casey her Diary of Days. Something was definetly going on.....


Good Morning Fellow Posters....

I feel like a little kid waiting for the dd......are we there yet? I have to work today, so they will start to release them about 10 minutes before i need to leave.....I am on my feet all day, so I wont be able to check in and see whats up.....(i envy all that have jobs that allow them to "pop in" and check stuff out). Do I feel a cold coming on? Am i running a fever? LOL :blink:

Des those are some great observations about the Anthony women.....I had not made that connection. Good job as Always.
~~ IMO I think the pros would/could benefit from your quick, reliable encyclopedia like organization that you have of this tragic case~~

Passing around the coffee pot...anyone need a refill yet?

[Januarybaby]

Good Morning Fellow Posters....

I feel like a little kid waiting for the dd......are we there yet? I have to work today, so they will start to release them about 10 minutes before i need to leave.....I am on my feet all day, so I wont be able to check in and see whats up.....(i envy all that have jobs that allow them to "pop in" and check stuff out). Do I feel a cold coming on? Am i running a fever? LOL :blink:

Des those are some great observations about the Anthony women.....I had not made that connection. Good job as Always.
~~ IMO I think the pros would/could benefit from your quick, reliable encyclopedia like organization that you have of this tragic case~~

Passing around the coffee pot...anyone need a refill yet?

You arent feeling well. You think you are *cough* *cough* getting sick and dont want to spread *sneeze* it around so you should take a day and be better by Monday :blush:

[desmom]

I head on local ABC news station this morning that sister station in Orlando said alot of the doc dump would be FBI inrterviews. Were they one of the interviewers of Mark Hawkins, perhaps?

Thanks! :thumbsup:

[Sun]

Good Morning Fellow Posters....

I feel like a little kid waiting for the dd......are we there yet? I have to work today, so they will start to release them about 10 minutes before i need to leave.....I am on my feet all day, so I wont be able to check in and see whats up.....(i envy all that have jobs that allow them to "pop in" and check stuff out). Do I feel a cold coming on? Am i running a fever? LOL :blink:

Des those are some great observations about the Anthony women.....I had not made that connection. Good job as Always.
~~ IMO I think the pros would/could benefit from your quick, reliable encyclopedia like organization that you have of this tragic case~~

Passing around the coffee pot...anyone need a refill yet?

Good morning everyone! How nice of you to offer coffee!

Bring on the Doc Dump!

[desmom]

Morning everyone! "Unseen Casey Evidence" music to my little shrimp ears.

Interesting points Des about the dates early in July. I also noticed that cynthia's cell phone calls to casey anthony went off the charts during the first days of July and of course they are both on the computer composing things. cynthia her Caylee is missing and casey her Diary of Days. Something was definetly going on.....

Cindy was on vacation during that time. She probably had a lot of free time not having Caylee or Casey in the house.

jmo

[Sun]

Cindy was on vacation during that time. She probably had a lot of free time not having Caylee or Casey in the house.

jmo

I found it very odd that Cindy took a full week of vacation the first week of June, and then another full week of vacation during the first week of July. Cindy's boss Deborah Polisano also told LE that Cindy took a bit of daytime off toward the later part of June (we have yet to see any interview of Deborah Polisano's, however there was an LE report that summed up what she told them). This same Deborah Polisano also is the person who recommended that Cindy see a counselor.

[desmom]

Online ad features image of Caylee Anthony
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/orange_news/110509-Online-ad-features-Caylee-Anthony

"We are mortified. We are absolutely disturbed by the ad," said Deb Szanjgarten of Mindspark.

The company's attorney will issue a cease and desist order once they identify who has produced the ad.

There is a link in the news article to take you to the web page with Caylee's pic. Caylee's pic is not at that link. Hopefully the company was able to identify whoever posted Caylee's pic.

jmo

[desmom]

I found it very odd that Cindy took a full week of vacation the first week of June, and then another full week of vacation during the first week of July. Cindy's boss Deborah Polisano also told LE that Cindy took a bit of daytime off toward the later part of June (we have yet to see any interview of Deborah Polisano's, however there was an LE report that summed up what she told them). This same Deborah Polisano also is the person who recommended that Cindy see a counselor.

IIRC, Cindy took off the 1st week of June because of her birthday on June 5. Several years ago, DH's employer gave employees their birthday as a paid holiday. I wonder if Cindy's employer did the same.

July 4th was on a Friday. Cindy may have opted for that week off because she would only use 4 vacation days.

jmo

[Scampi]

Good Morning Fellow Posters....

I feel like a little kid waiting for the dd......are we there yet? I have to work today, so they will start to release them about 10 minutes before i need to leave.....I am on my feet all day, so I wont be able to check in and see whats up.....(i envy all that have jobs that allow them to "pop in" and check stuff out). Do I feel a cold coming on? Am i running a fever? LOL :blink:

Des those are some great observations about the Anthony women.....I had not made that connection. Good job as Always.
~~ IMO I think the pros would/could benefit from your quick, reliable encyclopedia like organization that you have of this tragic case~~

Passing around the coffee pot...anyone need a refill yet?

Thanks for the coffee Adair. I hope your day flies by and then you can join us in digesting all the new information. Looking forward to your return.

[damienstoy]

Online ad features image of Caylee Anthony
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/orange_news/110509-Online-ad-features-Caylee-Anthony

"We are mortified. We are absolutely disturbed by the ad," said Deb Szanjgarten of Mindspark.

The company's attorney will issue a cease and desist order once they identify who has produced the ad.

There is a link in the news article to take you to the web page with Caylee's pic. Caylee's pic is not at that link. Hopefully the company was able to identify whoever posted Caylee's pic.

jmo

Okay, that's just creepy. I hope they get the b*st*rds who put it up there.:cursing:

[Sun]

IIRC, Cindy took off the 1st week of June because of her birthday on June 5. Several years ago, DH's employer gave employees their birthday as a paid holiday. I wonder if Cindy's employer did the same.

July 4th was on a Friday. Cindy may have opted for that week off because she would only use 4 vacation days.

jmo

Towards the later part of June, George either quit his job or was fired, but I've had a hard time figuring out which days/times he actually did work in that timeframe. At times, it seems as if Cindy has said that George was at work (like during that first week of July), when George actually had no job.

[Scampi]

Online ad features image of Caylee Anthony
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/orange_news/110509-Online-ad-features-Caylee-Anthony

"We are mortified. We are absolutely disturbed by the ad," said Deb Szanjgarten of Mindspark.

The company's attorney will issue a cease and desist order once they identify who has produced the ad.

There is a link in the news article to take you to the web page with Caylee's pic. Caylee's pic is not at that link. Hopefully the company was able to identify whoever posted Caylee's pic.

jmo

Wow, yesterday I was googling for avatars and this site, Zwinky came up. You can use your own photo to then make a look alike avatar. I wonder if someone used this photo of Caylee to age progress and see what she would look like if she had the chance to age.

Hope they can trace back to see who did it.

[BettyC]

Online ad features image of Caylee Anthony
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/orange_news/110509-Online-ad-features-Caylee-Anthony

"We are mortified. We are absolutely disturbed by the ad," said Deb Szanjgarten of Mindspark.

The company's attorney will issue a cease and desist order once they identify who has produced the ad.

There is a link in the news article to take you to the web page with Caylee's pic. Caylee's pic is not at that link. Hopefully the company was able to identify whoever posted Caylee's pic.

jmo

Good morning everyone.

I know Caylee's pic is no longer at the link but do you know if the photo at myfox IS what they thought she would look like when she got older? I mean, did they get a screenshot before it was taken down?

[Sun]

11/5/2009 A NOTICE TAKING DEPO FILED

Latest entry on the Clerk of Courts records for the murder case. Not just sure who this is for, but perhaps the media will eventually let us know.

[powerball]

Ok I am here..pass on the coffee I have my pop next to me..waiting on the doc dump.

[desmom]

Good morning everyone.

I know Caylee's pic is no longer at the link but do you know if the photo at myfox IS what they thought she would look like when she got older? I mean, did they get a screenshot before it was taken down?

Yes, it is a screen capture of what was on the site.

jmo

[sydney]

Yes, it is a screen capture of what was on the site.

jmo

mornin guys

call me twisted, but couldn't that alleged "aged" picture of caylee pass for the invisinanny's description as given by kc?

sick sick sick

[powerball]

mornin guys

call me twisted, but couldn't that alleged "aged" picture of caylee pass for the invisinanny's description as given by kc?

sick sick sick

I think most anyone can pass as the invisinanny it was such a vague description...JMO

[Marrigan]

Thanks for the heads up.

FYI: Careful with that Zwinky site. My McAfee Security Software blocked it. Said it was spyware and adware.

[BettyC]

FYI: Careful with that Zwinky site. My McAfee Security Software blocked it. Said it was spyware and adware.

Absolutely. Zwinky is full of adware.

I'm always tempted to try the photo to cartoon stuff too but it's also full of adware.

[sydney]

I think most anyone can pass as the invisinanny it was such a vague description...JMO

yeah, but i'm wondering if that particular image was placed next to caylee's as a further sick joke.

[powerball]

yeah, but i'm wondering if that particular image was placed next to caylee's as a further sick joke.

Oh I dont think so maybe for publicity for the site. I wonder how these things keep popping up.. Is it me or do they seem to catch everything out there...

[Lavinya]

Absolutely. Zwinky is full of adware.

I'm always tempted to try the photo to cartoon stuff too but it's also full of adware.

I tried to do a zwinky but it's not compatible with Macs. I never thought of an age progression photo in regards to Caylee before. Heartbreaking. :sad:

[cuddlyrunner]

I am now a part time worker so am here too waiting for the doc dump. With the time difference between here and you good people I think I should be able to watch the trial live if it is online anywhere when it eventually starts.

[gaelicpeas]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-documents-20091106,0,4673834.story

docs released....

[sydney]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-documents-20091106,0,4673834.story

docs released....

no link to them yet, though. i hate teasers (not you peas - i love peas)

[seeing_eye]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-documents-20091106,0,4673834.story

docs released....

But they're not available yet. :crying:

[powerball]

But they're not available yet. :crying:

The State Attorney's Office has just released several hundred pages of documents in the criminal case against Casey Anthony, the 23-year-old accused of killing her daughter last year.

Now were to several 100. :confused:

[marinewife5]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-documents-20091106,0,4673834.story

docs released....

tease, peas:glare:

now i'll be hitting refresh every ten seconds....i just hope its some of the things we've been waiting for, not rehashing of what we already know....i want to hear more about mark hawkins, and on those maggots

jmo

[sydney]

The State Attorney's Office has just released several hundred pages of documents in the criminal case against Casey Anthony, the 23-year-old accused of killing her daughter last year.

Now were to several 100. :confused:

yeah, can't they count?

[adair]

Have any interviews with Mallory been released yet? If so I have not seen them? Maybe those will be in this lot released.....hoping.

[gaelicpeas]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21538827/detail.html

[powerball]

Have any interviews with Mallory been released yet? If so I have not seen them? Maybe those will be in this lot released.....hoping.

I dont think so..I know she is having a DEPO soon not sure she ever spoke to LE..

[farrahrani]

I tried to do a zwinky but it's not compatible with Macs. I never thought of an age progression photo in regards to Caylee before. Heartbreaking. :sad:


i don't trust Zwinky. The last time I viewed it, it said 'cartoon yourself' and showed examples of real images turned into something that looked like illustrations and vector art. When I tried to use it, it simply loaded prefab avatar items that you had to mix and match on heads and bodies that looked nothing like me. So unless someone comes up with a real age progression result, I'm not buying it. :thumbdown:

[summer]

Wow, while we're waiting there's a fascinating post up on hinkymeter this morning. Valhall lays it out that the *friend* who tipped off Casey that Lee was coming to find her at the club was none other than... CINDY. Astounding. :crying:

[marinewife5]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21538827/detail.html

thank you peas....:blushing:

[gaelicpeas]

thank you peas....:blushing:yw. doc 4 - entomology report!

[BettyC]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21538827/detail.html

Thanks gaelicpeas. Just what we want to see, more photos (or the same old photos) of Casey with her mouth wide open and going to the bathroom in a parking lot.

What is it with these people showing the inside of their mouths anyway?

[Lavinya]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21538827/detail.html

Is this entomological data the same as what we already got?

Does anyone know what the pic is that appears to be a rug or large beach towel with leaves around the border and it appears to have a stain on it?

[gaelicpeas]

Is this entomological data the same as what we already got?

Does anyone know what the pic is that appears to be a rug or large beach towel with leaves around the border and it appears to have a stain on it?I have never seen this entomology report before.

[Lavinya]

I have never seen this entomology report before.

Yeah, now that I read down more, I see it's not anything I've read before either.

[Sun]

yw. doc 4 - entomology report!

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/1106/21539770.pdf

Where is Pru? Report from Haskill. Decomposing carrion would have most likely been removed between June 20 and June 27.

[Lavinya]

The state of decomp material and bug activity suggest removal from the car June 19-22 rather than later, June 23-27.

[BettyC]

I have never seen this entomology report before.

I sure hope you can explain this report to me gaelic. It's way over my head!

[summer]

I sure hope you can explain this report to me gaelic. It's way over my head!

Me too Betty. :ohmy:

[cassidy]

I sure hope you can explain this report to me gaelic. It's way over my head!

It's over my head and not doing a whole heck of alot for my stomach either.

[Jen]

Geez, I love document dumps but reading these medical reports are greek to me. I feel like I'm just saying the words & not really comprehending it. I am soooo glad you all make it clear what your reading.

[BettyC]

It's over my head and not doing a whole heck of alot for my stomach either.

Me neither. As much as some of us say we'd like to be on this jury, I don't think I could take seeing and hearing the evidence at the trial.

For those who can't read the doc dump right now, Part 2 is about the "duck" tape and where it was sold.

Part 3 - Just a 2 page report about how the photos of her tatoo were taken in jail. ( Oh gee - Yuri was present. I'll bet she loved that.)

[Jen]

Oh wow! I'm so glad I'm not the only one not understanding these reports.

Whew...

[denjet]

yw. doc 4 - entomology report!
Goodmorn everyone!
OMG .... peas .... don't tease us .... really???
Having a problem downloading ... everyone must be hitting the site
uuugghh !!!

[Sun]

The state of decomp material and bug activity suggest removal from the car June 19-22 rather than later, June 23-27.

I'm feeling a bit sick. I can understand the language for the mostpart, and the shocking details are making me so very sad. (there were a couple of hairs found with the paper toweling, and I hope to find more info on those as I continue to read)

[jakee]

Is this entomological data the same as what we already got?

Does anyone know what the pic is that appears to be a rug or large beach towel with leaves around the border and it appears to have a stain on it?

Is that the door mat that was at the Anthony's home?

I don't understand any of the reports, so I will wait for someone more knowledgeable to explain to me. :smile:

[denjet]

I have never seen this entomology report before.
Nope this is a first ...
OMG Bugs and hairsfrom paper towels that were in the trash bag in her trunk ... !! :scared:

[marinewife5]

Is that the door mat that was at the Anthony's home?

I don't understand any of the reports, so I will wait for someone more knowledgeable to explain to me. :smile:

it looks like an area rug to me

[Lavinya]

A lot of spiders found within her remains...:crying: (arachnida)

[Lavinya]

Is that the door mat that was at the Anthony's home?

I don't understand any of the reports, so I will wait for someone more knowledgeable to explain to me. :smile:

That might be, Jakee. I forgot they got a door mat. Thanks!

[Sun]

Peer reviewed by board certified forensic entomologists, including Dr. Ralph E. Williams, Professor of Entomology, Purdue Univ. Additionally, Williams was present in the lab during sample preparation and initial insect id to assist with evidence handling, specimen curation, and record keeping.

...interesting. Wonder how Lyon feels about this?

[sydney]

wow - the report on the coffin flies/blow flies - how is kc's defense team going to explain away the fact that those flies which are attracted to human decomp, were found in the trunk and on the paper towels in the garbage bag? the car kc had total control over until she abandoned it at amscot.

they'll prolly try to hang their hat on the fact that it also says "other organic material" and try to argue that sausage on the pizza is organic material - forget the fact that it says these insects prefer DEAD tissue - not cooked sausage.

and the paper towels? that just creeps me totally out. i wonder if they confiscated garbage from the a's house to see if there were any fly bits on what she used to clean the car? anyone know?

[haveaniceday]

I don't know how to post a link, but
There is an article in the national Enquirer about KC.
She exploded when she found out about the play in Austraila.
She demanded to see her f@#$^ lawyer ASAP
She wants to sue

[powerball]

wow - the report on the coffin flies/blow flies - how is kc's defense team going to explain away the fact that those flies which are attracted to human decomp, were found in the trunk and on the paper towels in the garbage bag? the car kc had total control over until she abandoned it at amscot.

they'll prolly try to hang their hat on the fact that it also says "other organic material" and try to argue that sausage on the pizza is organic material - forget the fact that it says these insects prefer DEAD tissue - not cooked sausage.

and the paper towels? that just creeps me totally out. i wonder if they confiscated garbage from the a's house to see if there were any fly bits on what she used to clean the car? anyone know?

where's PRU :crying:

[powerball]

I don't know how to post a link, but
There is an article in the national Enquirer about KC.
She exploded when she found out about the play in Austraila.
She demanded to see her f@#$^ lawyer ASAP
She wants to sue

good luck with that one Casey

[Ellie]

I'm feeling a bit sick. I can understand the language for the mostpart, and the shocking details are making me so very sad. (there were a couple of hairs found with the paper toweling, and I hope to find more info on those as I continue to read)

I'm with you. The language is easy enough to decipher (gotta know which words to skip and which ones to try and pronounce) but to me, the worst part of all is knowing sweet, beautiful Caylee was laying there covered in bugs and weeds. Little girls don't (usually) like bugs. They're (usually) scared of bugs. And snakes. And sweet little Caylee laid there among it all for so long. I can't help but visualize Caylee sitting on God's knee with him telling her "it's ok sweetheart, you didn't need that body anyway. You stay up here with me." I know that's maybe a little silly bit it's what keeps me from crying every time I read this stuff.

[Sun]

This is a tough read. This Discovery released by the State is clearly in response to the defense saying that they were denied access to the crime scene (spoilation stuff). I am reading, and can visualize how the scene appeared, location of bags, bones, etc. Way, way more information than I ever wanted to know.

[bballgrl]

I'm with you. The language is easy enough to decipher (gotta know which words to skip and which ones to try and pronounce) but to me, the worst part of all is knowing sweet, beautiful Caylee was laying there covered in bugs and weeds. Little girls don't (usually) like bugs. They're (usually) scared of bugs. And snakes. And sweet little Caylee laid there among it all for so long. I can't help but visualize Caylee sitting on God's knee with him telling her "it's ok sweetheart, you didn't need that body anyway. You stay up here with me." I know that's maybe a little silly bit it's what keeps me from crying every time I read this stuff.

Not silly. That is a beautiful thought. It is just what GOD would say! :wub:

[summer]

Interesting speculation out there in blogland on the heels of this doc release that the body was dumped the day of the "here's your f***ing gas cans!". That George saw something in the trunk that day (a bag) and she had to dump the body stat.

[qwerty]

Interesting speculation out there in blogland on the heels of this doc release that the body was dumped the day of the "here's your f***ing gas cans!". That George saw something in the trunk that day (a bag) and she had to dump the body stat.

IMO thats why she didnt want Dad in the trunk and she made a beeline to get there before him-Caylee was in there in the hamper bag and Daddy would have found her

[GumShoeJoe]

My quick read and attempt at understanding of that entymology report: I think it is saying that:

1)the insects found in the car displayed "aging" of decomposition from the first insects that would be attracted to ones that would appear a little later in the process and
2) Insects found with the remains in December are consistent with this progression found in the car from June/July. Indicating, I only guess, that the source of the insects is the same -- not likely from two independent sources of decomposition.

I think this is damaging evidence -- because I am guessing (and wildy so, may I say) that is supports Caylee being in that trunk as opposed to a secret nanny kidnapper who put her there later.

Interested in what you all are getting from this document, and I'll check back here later for more informed opinion!

[summer]

IMO thats why she didnt want Dad in the trunk and she made a beeline to get there before him-Caylee was in there in the hamper bag and Daddy would have found her

George knows a lot about a lot of things.

[summer]

I'm sorry to sound insensitive because I know you all are feeling traumatized while reading the report - but I wonder if this could point to Caylee possibly dying in the trunk and not put there after death... from what I'm reading it seems that's a possibility.

[Lavinya]

My quick read and attempt at understanding of that entymology report: I think it is saying that:

1)the insects found in the car displayed "aging" of decomposition from the first insects that would be attracted to ones that would appear a little later in the process and
2) Insects found with the remains in December are consistent with this progression found in the car from June/July. Indicating, I only guess, that the source of the insects is the same -- not likely from two independent sources of decomposition.

I think this is damaging evidence -- because I am guessing (and wildy so, may I say) that is supports Caylee being in that trunk as opposed to a secret nanny kidnapper who put her there later.

Interested in what you all are getting from this document, and I'll check back here later for more informed opinion!

That's what I got from the reports. Just scanned them and will go back but it is consistent with initial placing in the car and a period of decomp consistent with June 19-22 removal rather than a later date.

[summer]

That's what I got from the reports. Just scanned them and will go back but it is consistent with initial placing in the car and a period of decomp consistent with June 19-22 removal rather than a later date.

Lavinya you have a good mind with science. Do you think she might've died in the trunk?

[DebinNv]

Hello,
I've never had trouble with the docs, but today when I clicked on it, it kept loading page after page after page and so on. I had about
30+ open pages. It wouldn't stop. Has anybody else ever had that happen? I'm afraid to try it again...

[Dtviewer3]

wow - the report on the coffin flies/blow flies - how is kc's defense team going to explain away the fact that those flies which are attracted to human decomp, were found in the trunk and on the paper towels in the garbage bag? the car kc had total control over until she abandoned it at amscot.

they'll prolly try to hang their hat on the fact that it also says "other organic material" and try to argue that sausage on the pizza is organic material - forget the fact that it says these insects prefer DEAD tissue - not cooked sausage.

and the paper towels? that just creeps me totally out. i wonder if they confiscated garbage from the a's house to see if there were any fly bits on what she used to clean the car? anyone know?

They're not going to be able to explain this away.

It would defy any common sense to try to claim that there was something other than Caylee decomposing in that car.

The defense would lose any shred of credibility if they choose to go down that path.

[summer]

They're not going to be able to explain this away.

It would defy any common sense to try to claim that there was something other than Caylee decomposing in that car.

The defense would lose any shred of credibility if they choose to go down that path.

What's weird is I don't think the defense is doing any serious work on this case at all, except writing silly motions. I have a hunch their experts want to be paid and there's little to no analysis going on because no one is forking over the dough.

[denjet]

Peer reviewed by board certified forensic entomologists, including Dr. Ralph E. Williams, Professor of Entomology, Purdue Univ. Additionally, Williams was present in the lab during sample preparation and initial insect id to assist with evidence handling, specimen curation, and record keeping.

...interesting. Wonder how Lyon feels about this?

Holy Moly ... let's see them try to discredit an entomology prof from Purdue !! .... woah ... they got their expert there ASAP huh? ... :thumbsup:

[Sun]

http://www.wesh.com/news/21532034/detail.html

Note from editor: The documents come in 34 sets of computer files. WESH 2 News is going through the material now and will post information as soon as we can. Prosecutors post PDFs of the documents, in this case, 34 separate files. I haven't counted the pages, but did see WFTV say it was 2,100 pages. We do think it is the largest amount we have received.

[qwerty]

I'm sorry to sound insensitive because I know you all are feeling traumatized while reading the report - but I wonder if this could point to Caylee possibly dying in the trunk and not put there after death... from what I'm reading it seems that's a possibility.

That's what i"ve thought all along she put her in there covered her mouth with duct tape to keep her quiet and went off to spend the night with her boy toy and Caylee succumbed to her deprivation- Casey took her home and disposed of her later after keeping her there a few days trying to figure out what to do....

[EverMoth]

[QUOTE=sydney;13618057]
they'll prolly try to hang their hat on the fact that it also says "other organic material" and try to argue that sausage on the pizza is organic material - forget the fact that it says these insects prefer DEAD tissue - not cooked sausage.
QUOTE]

:seeya: They can't explain it away. I remember reading a long time ago that the pizza box was actually empty. If that is true, there was no rotting meat in the trunk and so no other organic material there for the flies to be attracted to.

[denjet]

wow - the report on the coffin flies/blow flies - how is kc's defense team going to explain away the fact that those flies which are attracted to human decomp, were found in the trunk and on the paper towels in the garbage bag? the car kc had total control over until she abandoned it at amscot.

they'll prolly try to hang their hat on the fact that it also says "other organic material" and try to argue that sausage on the pizza is organic material - forget the fact that it says these insects prefer DEAD tissue - not cooked sausage.

and the paper towels? that just creeps me totally out. i wonder if they confiscated garbage from the a's house to see if there were any fly bits on what she used to clean the car? anyone know?

Looks like they got plenty of bugs from the trash bags, paper towels etc. for their testing ...

OSCO took the A's vacuum cleaners and steam cleaners ... we haven't seen results of testing they did on those unless that's in the dump today

[summer]

That's what i"ve thought all along she put her in there covered her mouth with duct tape to keep her quiet and went off to spend the night with her boy toy and Caylee succumbed to her deprivation- Casey took her home and disposed of her later after keeping her there a few days trying to figure out what to do....

It's always been my theory too, qwerty. Not that I want it to be so, but...

[powerball]

I'm sorry to sound insensitive because I know you all are feeling traumatized while reading the report - but I wonder if this could point to Caylee possibly dying in the trunk and not put there after death... from what I'm reading it seems that's a possibility.

I hear what your saying but I keep going back to if it was an accident Casey would have been boo hooing by now.. She still is cold about this makes me think it was more than an accident. :cursing:

[powerball]

Looks like they got plenty of bugs from the trash bags, paper towels etc. for their testing ...

OSCO took the A's vacuum cleaners and steam cleaners ... we haven't seen results of testing they did on those unless that's in the dump today

ok than let me throw this out there. If there are bugs in there can they now be charged with something...

[summer]

I hear what your saying but I keep going back to if it was an accident Casey would have been boo hooing by now.. She still is cold about this makes me think it was more than an accident. :cursing:

Yes, even if you scramble like mad after an accident to cover up, it seems that at some point you would break down, especially if you loved the person you hurt.

[sydney]

ok than let me throw this out there. If there are bugs in there can they now be charged with something...

the bugs? no, i really don't think so.....:tonguewag:

[desmom]

Hello,
I've never had trouble with the docs, but today when I clicked on it, it kept loading page after page after page and so on. I had about
30+ open pages. It wouldn't stop. Has anybody else ever had that happen? I'm afraid to try it again...

Strange. I didn't have any problem. Have you tried clearing your history or dumping your cookies?

[sydney]

Yes, even if you scramble like mad after an accident to cover up, it seems that at some point you would break down, especially if you loved the person you hurt.

aahhhh, summer - no love there. none whatsoever. as a matter of fact, kc felt so little about caylee that she had no prenatal care until she was in her 8th month (per cindy)

[Lavinya]

Lavinya you have a good mind with science. Do you think she might've died in the trunk?

I don't think they will be able to determine place of death through entomological means, summer. They will be able to date the length of time a body was in there and at what point in decomp, but not to the minute. I don't think there would be any distinguishing between death in the home and placement in the trunk that day, for example. Personally, I think she killed her in the home, in her bedroom. I felt that from the very beginning and predicted that a piece of bedding would be found with Caylee's remains. I don't think Caylee died in the trunk, and then Caylee gathered the Pooh blanket, the laundry hamper, bags, etc. and "bagged her up" in the trunk. I think she got to the trunk in that shape.

[margaritaville]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-documents-20091106,0,4673834.story

[martha]

I have not had time to read this morning but just a few post but it does seem like they have got the goods on casey. I hope I can read sometime today.just keep posting for me to read and I will see if I can catch up.I sure hope this is what we have been waiting to hear.jmho:wub:

[summer]

aahhhh, summer - no love there. none whatsoever. as a matter of fact, kc felt so little about caylee that she had no prenatal care until she was in her 8th month (per cindy)

sydney, and I love the way Cindy talked around that in the depo. After saying she didn't know for how many months and then LDB said, so she had no prenatal care? and Cindy comes back with, well yes! I went with her to the doctor!

I don't think she was pushed any further but geez, that woman just says whatever.

[*MoonRider*]

Me neither. As much as some of us say we'd like to be on this jury, I don't think I could take seeing and hearing the evidence at the trial.

For those who can't read the doc dump right now, Part 2 is about the "duck" tape and where it was sold.

Part 3 - Just a 2 page report about how the photos of her tatoo were taken in jail. ( Oh gee - Yuri was present. I'll bet she loved that.)

"The photographs also included photographs of the suspect's Orange County Cerrections identification card."

Cindy must be be so pround that Casey finally has an official ID :thumbsup:

[summer]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-documents-20091106,0,4673834.story

OMG. I really thought the chloroform was a cleaning agent only. OMG.

[Sun]

I hate trying to decipher hand-written notes.

I can see the defense crying "animal, animal, animal" in regards to the trunk. I had to look up the words "decomposing carrion."

[Lavinya]

Well...did not see where they extracted any DNA from the bugs found in the trunk...was there none or has this just not been released???

This was the evidence I was looking for...kind of a smoking gun if any of the bugs contained Caylee's DNA were actually in the trunk...it is the only thing that would prove that the decomposition in the trunk was from Caylee...as they have not at this point been able to prove it actually came from her...we can speculate and circumstantial evidence would certainly bring us to that conclusion...I was hoping for the proof.
How likely is it that Caylee went missing and was found dead and coffin flies found in her mother's car (that never reported her missing) came from *anywhere* else? Proof enough for this old gal.

[ish]

What's weird is I don't think the defense is doing any serious work on this case at all, except writing silly motions. I have a hunch their experts want to be paid and there's little to no analysis going on because no one is forking over the dough.

I don't think the defense is going to run any tests for fear their experts will give them the same results. I do think they will try to challenge the prosecution experts much like the OJ trial. That and a "rush to judgement" defense.

[summer]

I don't think they will be able to determine place of death through entomological means, summer. They will be able to date the length of time a body was in there and at what point in decomp, but not to the minute. I don't think there would be any distinguishing between death in the home and placement in the trunk that day, for example. Personally, I think she killed her in the home, in her bedroom. I felt that from the very beginning and predicted that a piece of bedding would be found with Caylee's remains. I don't think Caylee died in the trunk, and then Caylee gathered the Pooh blanket, the laundry hamper, bags, etc. and "bagged her up" in the trunk. I think she got to the trunk in that shape.

Thanks for your thoughts hun. :wub:

[Sun]

"The photograpsh also included photograpsh of the suspect's Orange County Cerrections identification card."

Cindy must be be so pround that Casey finally has an official ID :thumbsup:

Cindy is probably looking at it and saying "those dummies put her hair color down as BLACK!"

[EverMoth]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-documents-20091106,0,4673834.story

HOLY SH*T! A syringe with chloroform traces. Wow. Poor Caylee. :angry:

[summer]

I don't think the defense is going to run any tests for fear their experts will give them the same results. I do think they will try to challenge the prosecution experts much like the OJ trial. That and a "rush to judgement" defense.

Ah I get it, ish. Makes sense.

[Lavinya]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-documents-20091106,0,4673834.story

Ohhhh, I've been waiting for analysis of the syringe! :ohmy:

[ish]

"The photograpsh also included photograpsh of the suspect's Orange County Cerrections identification card."

Cindy must be be so pround that Casey finally has an official ID :thumbsup:

Specially now that Cindy has found the "missing lanyard" to hang it from.

[Lavinya]

Thanks for your thoughts hun. :wub:

Just remember, you get what you pay for. :laugh:

Summer.:wub:

[jakee]

HOLY SH*T! A syringe with chloroform traces. Wow. Poor Caylee. :angry:

Are they saying the doll also had traces of chloroform? :ohmy:

[margaritaville]

The FBI reports also shows a doll recovered from Casey Anthony's white 1998 Pontiac Sunfire GT had "faint yellowish stains" on the front and back of its white clothing. Lab tests confirmed slight traces of chloroform residue, according to Rickenbach. Other reports indicate the yellow stains may have been urine.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-documents-20091106,0,4673834.story

[DebinNv]

Strange. I didn't have any problem. Have you tried clearing your history or dumping your cookies?

Yes, so I will try again...thank you.

[denjet]

ok than let me throw this out there. If there are bugs in there can they now be charged with something...

I truly believe that LE has enough to charge the A's with something .. accessory after the fact or something ...

The thing about any cleanup at the A's is proving it was Cindy or George who did it ... which is why I don't think we have the whole interview with the tow yard guy ... he wasn't asked what he remembered seeing in the trunk when he took the trashbag out in what's been released ...

[KTBarTheDoor]

OMG. I really thought the chloroform was a cleaning agent only. OMG.

No wonder they didnt test any futher in the trunk for chloroform. They had the bottle and the syringe! Surely she didn't inject her with it!!!!!

[summer]

So how would you use a syringe to administer chloroform? I always thought you poured it on a cloth and put it to someone's face. Just from watching movies of course.

[KTBarTheDoor]

The FBI reports also shows a doll recovered from Casey Anthony's white 1998 Pontiac Sunfire GT had "faint yellowish stains" on the front and back of its white clothing. Lab tests confirmed slight traces of chloroform residue, according to Rickenbach. Other reports indicate the yellow stains may have been urine.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-documents-20091106,0,4673834.story

And thats they doll cindy admitted to cleaning up!.

[Lavinya]

Looks like they got plenty of bugs from the trash bags, paper towels etc. for their testing ...

OSCO took the A's vacuum cleaners and steam cleaners ... we haven't seen results of testing they did on those unless that's in the dump today

I'm looking for that analysis, too. I wonder if there would be any chloroform found in the vacuum that was used in the car?

[EverMoth]

No wonder they didnt test any futher in the trunk for chloroform. They had the bottle and the syringe! Surely she didn't inject her with it!!!!!

Unfortunately, it kinds of seems like she might have. :crying:

[sydney]

sydney, and I love the way Cindy talked around that in the depo. After saying she didn't know for how many months and then LDB said, so she had no prenatal care? and Cindy comes back with, well yes! I went with her to the doctor!

I don't think she was pushed any further but geez, that woman just says whatever.

Like this?

Prosecution deposition, cindy – page 62

Q: Okay, I take it then that she would not have been getting any prenatal care?

A. No. In fact, I went with her for the first time.

Page 63:

Q: What made you suspicious that she even was pregnant?

A. I really didn’t know until after she told me….And I was concerned more about her having, like uterine fibroids or something.

[KTBarTheDoor]

So how would you use a syringe to administer chloroform? I always thought you poured it on a cloth and put it to someone's face. Just from watching movies of course.

Thats what I thought too. OMG! I hope she didnt inject her with it.

Where did she get the syringe? cindys work maybe?

[jakee]

So how would you use a syringe to administer chloroform? I always thought you poured it on a cloth and put it to someone's face. Just from watching movies of course.

I don't know how you would use a syringe and I thought the same as you. If that is chloroform on the doll and not just urine, maybe Casey put chloroform on the doll and gave doll to Caylee? Ok, maybe I am too far fetched. :blushing:

[SC7501]

I don't think they will be able to determine place of death through entomological means, summer. They will be able to date the length of time a body was in there and at what point in decomp, but not to the minute. I don't think there would be any distinguishing between death in the home and placement in the trunk that day, for example. Personally, I think she killed her in the home, in her bedroom. I felt that from the very beginning and predicted that a piece of bedding would be found with Caylee's remains. I don't think Caylee died in the trunk, and then Caylee gathered the Pooh blanket, the laundry hamper, bags, etc. and "bagged her up" in the trunk. I think she got to the trunk in that shape.

BBM

Sounds interesting and a lot like the police theory according to Fanning's book, but how did the decomposing hair get in the trunk if she was all wrapped up before being put there?

[Lavinya]

So how would you use a syringe to administer chloroform? I always thought you poured it on a cloth and put it to someone's face. Just from watching movies of course.

That's right, but did Casey know that? Really, you don't want chloroform to even touch the skin as it can blister it.

This chloroform issue is the absolute most puzzling part of this case to me. I'm clear on everything other than that but I have a lot of problems with chloroform.

[Sun]

HOLY SH*T! A syringe with chloroform traces. Wow. Poor Caylee. :angry:

What! Where is you see this? I'm probably way behind you in reading.

[sydney]

That's right, but did Casey know that? Really, you don't want chloroform to even touch the skin as it can blister it.

This chloroform issue is the absolute most puzzling part of this case to me. I'm clear on everything other than that but I have a lot of problems with chloroform.

with cindy being a nurse, would she be familiar with this stuff?

[Lavinya]

Thats what I thought too. OMG! I hope she didnt inject her with it.

Where did she get the syringe? cindys work maybe?

I was suspicious that the syringe came from the A's house because if Cindy is like most nurses, we do have syringes in the house.

[powerball]

That's right, but did Casey know that? Really, you don't want chloroform to even touch the skin as it can blister it.

This chloroform issue is the absolute most puzzling part of this case to me. I'm clear on everything other than that but I have a lot of problems with chloroform.

maybe it was just a mode of transport and she used the syringe to put in on something.. JMO

[EverMoth]

What! Where is you see this? I'm probably way behind you in reading.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,4673834.story

[SC7501]

Maybe she just used the syringe as a handy container to transport it in.

[Lavinya]

with cindy being a nurse, would she be familiar with this stuff?

I can't imagine! Chloroform is not used anymore in medicine and hasn't been forever. It is a dangerous substance requiring hazardous material clean up, is archaic and dangerous as all get out.

[summer]

Hey was it a needle syringe or one of those droppers you use to give medicine to an animal? Maybe she squeezed drops in Caylee's mouth? Why do that when it's easier to use a cloth unless she knew a cloth soaked with the stuff would only last a short time and she wanted to make sure it was forever.

Either kind of syringe I guess would make Caylee's sleep permanent. Ugh, injecting or even pouring that substance down a person's throat is sickening. sigh.

[Ellie]

HOLY SH*T! A syringe with chloroform traces. Wow. Poor Caylee. :angry:


I really think chloroform was used in some form, and the ONLY good that would come of that is that *hopefully* Caylee just drifted off to sleep... hopefully there was no pain or real fear.... Hopefully Caylee wasn't laying in the trunk looking up at Mommy's face as Mommy closed the trunk.... I just hope Caylee was sleeping.

[Januarybaby]

Oh my gosh, she tried to clean up the fluids with the paper towels.

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/1106/21539770.pdf ( page 7)


I am in tears reading this

[margaritaville]

I don't know how you would use a syringe and I thought the same as you. If that is chloroform on the doll and not just urine, maybe Casey put chloroform on the doll and gave doll to Caylee? Ok, maybe I am too far fetched. :blushing:


I am thinking she maybe drank it. If you look at the picture of the Gatorade bottle it has a lot of liquid left in it...
What was the reasoning for the duct tape? So she wouldn't scream while being injected with chloroform???

I found an article about drinking or injecting chloroform...

Abuse and addiction

Exposure to chloroform may result in euphoria and therefore
people expose themselves to chloroform by drinking the liquid or
sniffing the vapours (Storms, 1973). Addiction to chloroform and
chloroform-containing cough syrups has been reported by Heilbrunn et
al. (1945) and Conlon (1963). According to Heilbrunn et al. (1945),
addicts tolerated very high daily doses and presented neurological
symptoms and degenerative changes in the brains.

After an intravenous injection of 7.5 g of chloroform, a
patient showed signs of pulmonary malfunction and haemolysis. In
this case, kidney or liver toxicity was not reported (Timms et al.,
1975).

http://www.inchem.org/documents/ehc/ehc/ehc163.htm#SectionNumber:8.3

[summer]

maybe it was just a mode of transport and she used the syringe to put in on something.. JMO

Excellent point.

[Lavinya]

maybe it was just a mode of transport and she used the syringe to put in on something.. JMO

Maybe. Does anyone know if the needle was still on the syringe? Most syringes, except some insulin syringes, have a needle that twists off. That's how you use them to administer oral liquid meds to pediatric patients and you might draw some medicines up with one needle and switch it out with another needle for administration.

[summer]

I really think chloroform was used in some form, and the ONLY good that would come of that is that *hopefully* Caylee just drifted off to sleep... hopefully there was no pain or real fear.... Hopefully Caylee wasn't laying in the trunk looking up at Mommy's face as Mommy closed the trunk.... I just hope Caylee was sleeping.

If injected or poured down her throat that would've been an extremely painful death I'd imagine. Like being poisoned. Not a nice sleep.

[Lavinya]

BBM

Sounds interesting and a lot like the police theory according to Fanning's book, but how did the decomposing hair get in the trunk if she was all wrapped up before being put there?

Got me, but I'm thinking.

[denjet]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-documents-20091106,0,4673834.story

O-M-G I wasn't expecting that !! Let the defense try to explain away that !! Inside a syringe !! Shocking !!

Poor Caylee !! :sad:

[KTBarTheDoor]

What! Where is you see this? I'm probably way behind you in reading.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-documents-20091106,0,4673834.story

[Lavinya]

If injected or poured down her throat that would've been an extremely painful death I'd imagine. Like being poisoned. Not a nice sleep.

No way was it nice. Just the tape would have been utterly terrifying.

[sydney]

I can't imagine! Chloroform is not used anymore in medicine and hasn't been forever. It is a dangerous substance requiring hazardous material clean up, is archaic and dangerous as all get out.

thanks, lav. i did not know that!

[EverMoth]

Maybe. Does anyone know if the needle was still on the syringe? Most syringes, except some insulin syringes, have a needle that twists off. That's how you use them to administer oral liquid meds to pediatric patients and you might draw some medicines up with one needle and switch it out with another needle for administration.

Perhaps she injected Caylee with chloroform because she didn't want to go through the hassle of Caylee making noise and struggling as might have been the case with the usual way of using it on a rag and such. Also, with the mouth and nose duct taped, the usual method of applying chloroform wouldn't work anyway. Casey prolly looked for the way of least resistance/noise. Applying duct tape and injecting would have done the trick. Awful. Awful. Awful.

[need2no]

On the chart on pg. 10 it is noted beside July 15 Dad 911 trashbags to dumpster. What's that all about????????

[Spots]

Thats what I thought too. OMG! I hope she didnt inject her with it.

Where did she get the syringe? cindys work maybe?

FWIW, I have a supply of syringes I keep in case I need to give my animals injections. They are readily available at farm supply stores like Agway and Tractor Supply. My vet often hands them out, as well - beats him coming twice a day for 10 days to do it himself.

Bottom line: If you want a syringe, you can get a syringe easily.

[summer]

On the chart on pg. 10 it is noted beside July 15 Dad 911 trashbags to dumpster. What's that all about????????

Ooh dumpster. Now that's interesting. I so hoped they'd trailed the trash out of Hopespring.

[marinewife5]

Perhaps she injected Caylee with chloroform because she didn't want to go through the hassle of Caylee making noise and struggling as might have been the case with the usual way of using it on a rag and such. Also, with the mouth and nose duct taped, the usual method of applying chloroform wouldn't work anyway. Casey prolly looked for the way of least resistance/noise. Applying duct tape and injecting would have done the trick. Awful. Awful. Awful.

i had no idea you could inject it. i'm am just speechless on this development. how can the anthony's read this information and not choose caylee over casey???

jmo

[Januarybaby]

Does anyone have a way to get Doc #6? My pc tells me webpage cannot be found


So, if chloroform was in the gatorade, syringe and Caseys trunk, that basically means she poisoned her? Makes sense if Casey looked up chloroform and thought if the body decomposes they wont be able to tell what caused Caylee to die. I cant stand her more and more every time a doc comes out.

[GumShoeJoe]

HOLY SH*T! A syringe with chloroform traces. Wow. Poor Caylee. :angry:

Chilling. I wasn't expecting this. And on the doll clothes, too.

[summer]

i had no idea you could inject it. i'm am just speechless on this development. how can the anthony's read this information and not choose caylee over casey???

jmo

IMO they're stone cold heartless, marinewife.

[need2no]

Ooh dumpster. Now that's interesting. I so hoped they'd trailed the trash out of Hopespring.

Me too, and what's interesting is the date is JULY 15!

[summer]

Me too, and what's interesting is the date is JULY 15!

WHOA! :eek:

[desmom]

On the chart on pg. 10 it is noted beside July 15 Dad 911 trashbags to dumpster. What's that all about????????

Where? I am having problems getting the darn documents to load. Crime board posters from all over must be trying to download them.

[SC7501]

Maybe it's talking about the trashbag they put in the dumpster at the towing place.

[Jen]

i had no idea you could inject it. i'm am just speechless on this development. how can the anthony's read this information and not choose caylee over casey???

jmo


Thank you!!!!

(IS needs a clapping smily face)

[Januarybaby]

Desmom youre not the only one

Now Im having trouble with all the docs.....grrrrrr frustrating

[Spots]

On the chart on pg. 10 it is noted beside July 15 Dad 911 trashbags to dumpster. What's that all about????????

That would be the day George picked up the car at the towyard, took the trashbags out of the trunk, and tossed them over the fence into the dumpster.

[need2no]

Where? I am having problems getting the darn documents to load. Crime board posters from all over must be trying to download them.

Part 4 at Click Orlando, chart is on page 10, interesting notations on the far right.

[summer]

Yeah, Casey the smart killer. Not. Leaves a syringe with the body. If it weren't for her parents conniving and cleanup she would've already copped a plea and been sitting in the big house. I hope this puts to rest all the talk of her not being able to do this by herself. Any ape can kill a baby and toss the body in the woods.

(Still can't get over Cindy sending Lee out to find Casey in that club and then giving Casey the head's up to get out of there before he arrived- lol)

[denjet]

Maybe. Does anyone know if the needle was still on the syringe? Most syringes, except some insulin syringes, have a needle that twists off. That's how you use them to administer oral liquid meds to pediatric patients and you might draw some medicines up with one needle and switch it out with another needle for administration.
It looks like there's a plastic piece on the end where the needle would be ... but when I looked closer it looks like there's a needle inside the cap :scared:
and to me, the syringe looks smaller/narrower than the ones used for children's medicine ... the lines of measure on it really look like a medical syringe ... this is sickening :crying:

no wonder the state's going for the DP !!

It also makes me wonder, since the syringe is inside the bottle if there were still any fingerprints on the syringe ...

[Katprint]

Me neither. As much as some of us say we'd like to be on this jury, I don't think I could take seeing and hearing the evidence at the trial. <respectfully snipped>
In one of the first death cases I ever worked on involved, my client had crashed into a motorcycle, killing the father/driver and seriously injuring the young daughter/passenger who looked very much like my own 5 year old daughter (at the time - now she is 25). She had sustained terrible disfiguring head injuries even though she had been wearing a motorcycle helmet. It was terribly difficult for me to review her voluminous medical records but I had to prepare a summary for the Claims Dept. to support my recommendation to pay the $1 million policy limits. I literally had nightmares about the poor child.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[neid_77]

No wonder they didnt test any futher in the trunk for chloroform. They had the bottle and the syringe! Surely she didn't inject her with it!!!!!

SHE IS DONE!!!!!:cursing: here days of laughing and smiling are coming to an end and the defense has been sitting on this and lying to the public wow that's a shock...this to me is HUGE!! JUST LIKE THE DUCT TAPE MATCHES

[powerball]

That would be the day George picked up the car at the towyard, took the trashbags out of the trunk, and tossed them over the fence into the dumpster.

Yes that what I think too

[KTBarTheDoor]

FWIW, I have a supply of syringes I keep in case I need to give my animals injections. They are readily available at farm supply stores like Agway and Tractor Supply. My vet often hands them out, as well - beats him coming twice a day for 10 days to do it himself.

Bottom line: If you want a syringe, you can get a syringe easily.

I ran out of my insulin needles you would not believe all the crap i went threw just to get enough to get thru the weekend..

But you're right about the vet needles. for got about those. aren't most of those big??

[summer]

That would be the day George picked up the car at the towyard, took the trashbags out of the trunk, and tossed them over the fence into the dumpster.

Oh. Right.

I just keep thinking of all the stuffed animals they tossed and also George walking down the road with that cooler and what might have been in it. Overall I was hoping LE was following their trash to the dump site and examining it. But that was early in the case and I guess they were too busy sorting out the lies.

[Scampi]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-documents-20091106,0,4673834.story
Well, anyone still questioning why the State is seeking the Death Penalty in this case?

The last horrific moments of Caylee Anthony's life should haunt cynthia and george forever, imo.

The needle is way too easy an out, for this monster in my opinion.


:cuss:

[summer]

Maybe it's talking about the trashbag they put in the dumpster at the towing place.

Seems you're correct... thanks for pointing that out.

[need2no]

In one of the first death cases I ever worked on involved, my client had crashed into a motorcycle, killing the father/driver and seriously injuring the young daughter/passenger who looked very much like my own 5 year old daughter (at the time - now she is 25). She had sustained terrible disfiguring head injuries even though she had been wearing a motorcycle helmet. It was terribly difficult for me to review her voluminous medical records but I had to prepare a summary for the Claims Dept. to support my recommendation to pay the $1 million policy limits. I literally had nightmares about the poor child.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

:sad:

I can imagine you would, just as the jurors in this case will.

[desmom]

Desmom youre not the only one

Now Im having trouble with all the docs.....grrrrrr frustrating

Finally getting them to load @ http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/11/5/more_casey_anthony_documents_coming.html

[powerball]

Well, anyone still questioning why the State is seeking the Death Penalty in this case?

The last horrific moments of Caylee Anthony's life should haunt cynthia and george forever, imo.

The needle is way too easy an out, for this monster in my opinion.


:cuss:

ok were these docs released to the defense before or after the cruise.:cursing:

[desmom]

Part 4 at Click Orlando, chart is on page 10, interesting notations on the far right.

Thank you. :seeya:

[GumShoeJoe]

Chloroform in the trunk. Check
Chloroform with the remains. Check
Chloroform on the computer. Check.

Hows that dog- plant research going, Cindy?

[martha]

I just want to say thank you to all of you that or reading the doc.it is really helping me as i can;t read them. it sure looks like the state has this case in a bag. I think casey needs to pack her bags for state prison.g and c may have some charges too later on. It just tells me they knew from the very start what casey had done to CAYLLE and just did not give a darn. I am just sick but I am so glad there will be a day for CAYLEE and the whole world will know what happened to her and that none of the a cared one bit.or it sure seems that way.no matter what casey did to her she didnot deserve to die. I am so glad of the things we or hearing today. thank you all for being here for CAYLEE, she would love you all so very much for standing up for her.I love you all too.jmho:wub:

[jakee]

Yeah, Casey the smart killer. Not. Leaves a syringe with the body. If it weren't for her parents conniving and cleanup she would've already copped a plea and been sitting in the big house. I hope this puts to rest all the talk of her not being able to do this by herself. Any ape can kill a baby and toss the body in the woods.

(Still can't get over Cindy sending Lee out to find Casey in that club and then giving Casey the head's up to get out of there before he arrived- lol)

Ok, I am way behind. WHAT! Why would Cindy do that? I know I should not try to figure out what goes on in that family's brains, but this doesn't make sense. weird.

[KTBarTheDoor]

Just thinking if Caylee's nose and mouth was taped she wouldn't be able to smell the choloform. So the syringe may have been very well used to inject Caylee with the choloform.

[neid_77]

Chloroform in the trunk. Check
Chloroform with the remains. Check
Chloroform on the computer. Check.

Hows that dog- plant research going, Cindy?

hey GumShoeJoe you know what all those checks add up to CHECKMATE!

[Januarybaby]

Finally getting them to load @ http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/11/5/more_casey_anthony_documents_coming.html

ty Desmom.....

[Dtviewer3]

Chloroform in the trunk. Check
Chloroform with the remains. Check
Chloroform on the computer. Check.

Hows that dog- plant research going, Cindy?


I'm still not convinced on the chloroform.

It seems the second test (In July) on the doll showed no signs of Chloroform.

[powerball]

I am really mad I have to go into a conference call. these people (if you can call them that really make me:cursing:

[KTBarTheDoor]

Chloroform in the trunk. Check
Chloroform with the remains. Check
Chloroform on the computer. Check.

Hows that dog- plant research going, Cindy?

Chloroform residue found on Caylee's doll. cindy admitts cleaning up the doll but evidently she didnt get it all.

[martha]

Well, anyone still questioning why the State is seeking the Death Penalty in this case?

The last horrific moments of Caylee Anthony's life should haunt cynthia and george forever, imo.

The needle is way too easy an out, for this monster in my opinion.


:cuss:ita how can they just keep on living of their gb money and taking vac.living the good life and knowing how they got it. I think c and g and even lee knew from the start that casey had done something to CAYLEE they just did not want anyone elce to know and if cindy had not called 911 we might have never known.cindy was mad about the car and the money it cost to get the car out not thinking about what casey had done to CAYLEE at that moment.now I bet she wished she had never made that 911 call. jmho:wub:

[EverMoth]

Just thinking if Caylee's nose and mouth was taped she wouldn't be able to smell the choloform. So the syringe may have been very well used to inject Caylee with the choloform.

Yes, that is what I think to. Also, the way of least resistance and noise. Tape her up, inject her - no muss no fuss. :angry: Casey is a POS. Slam dunk!

[Lavinya]

FWIW, I have a supply of syringes I keep in case I need to give my animals injections. They are readily available at farm supply stores like Agway and Tractor Supply. My vet often hands them out, as well - beats him coming twice a day for 10 days to do it himself.

Bottom line: If you want a syringe, you can get a syringe easily.

That's right. I take injectable medicines and I just go to any drugstore and tell them what I want. I can ask for any size syringe and needle and if they don't have it, they will get it. No RX required.

[summer]

Ok, I am way behind. WHAT! Why would Cindy do that? I know I should not try to figure out what goes on in that family's brains, but this doesn't make sense. weird.

I read it over at hinkymeter, the post up now. Pretty fascinating. Valhall put that together according to cell records. She (or he?) thinks Cindy was calling to threaten: "your brother is on his way to get you!". I dunno. You should go over and read that post. The blog is brilliant.
www.thehinkymeter.com

[martha]

Chloroform residue found on Caylee's doll. cindy admitts cleaning up the doll but evidently she didnt get it all. now I hope they get cindy too. she knew what she was doing when she was cleaning. Your gb missing and you or worried about a car needing cleaned up now that makes no sense. george knew not to let cindy clean the car he should be in jail with his daughter. this family is something elce they will never tell the truth and I think they were all in on the cover up now. that is after they knew what casey has done.they all might want to get on a ship and get as far from fl.as they can get while the getting is good.jmho:wub:

[GumShoeJoe]

Just in case Baez is worried, his fears should be dispelled. No one thinks your client is a wizard criminal, fooling all the pros.

What did she do -- just dump everything in the bag? I am surprised that bottle and syringe have chloroform in them. I figured those items would wind up being unrelated trash.

I can tell this doc release release is causing lots of angst with people thinking about how it all happened. I am finding myself thinking that heart sticker was just a brutal touch from a sick mind.

It is almost too much to fathom.

[summer]

jakee - probably like with the 911 calls Cindy got impulsive, sent Lee over there, changed her mind about Casey really being found, and called her instinctively to warn her.

Interesting that Cindy knew where she was, huh?

[martha]

That's right. I take injectable medicines and I just go to any drugstore and tell them what I want. I can ask for any size syringe and needle and if they don't have it, they will get it. No RX required. my little pomr dog i got for christmas was very sick and the vet gave me meds to give her and the syringes he gave to me to drop the med in her mouth and I still have some I don;t think you would have any prob.getting needles or syr.and cindy being a nurse i bet she had all kind of stuff in her house. we all do that if it is something we need.I don;t mean like meds you can;t get with out a script.just other things.jmho:wub:

[denjet]

SHE IS DONE!!!!!:cursing: here days of laughing and smiling are coming to an end and the defense has been sitting on this and lying to the public wow that's a shock...this to me is HUGE!! JUST LIKE THE DUCT TAPE MATCHES

OMG neid!!!!

Yes they have, lying and lying and trying to sway the public deliberately ... and the A's knew this all was coming out BEFORE they went on their little get-away cruise !!
And the momma doll ... OMG ... I'm convinced Cindy took the clothes off of that doll ... it must have reeked, probably had maggots on it too !!
These people are disgusting and deserve to be punished to the full extent of the law !! :cursing:

[Pierre]

That's right. I take injectable medicines and I just go to any drugstore and tell them what I want. I can ask for any size syringe and needle and if they don't have it, they will get it. No RX required.

Really? I didnt think you could get herion OTC. JK:w00t:

[KTBarTheDoor]

That's right. I take injectable medicines and I just go to any drugstore and tell them what I want. I can ask for any size syringe and needle and if they don't have it, they will get it. No RX required.

Not where I am at. They also have my records where I purchase all my meds. Maybe it was a newbie and didnt know she could let me have them.:shrug: But Im sure casey had no problem getting what she wanted.

[Lavinya]

I'm still not convinced on the chloroform.

It seems the second test (In July) on the doll showed no signs of Chloroform.

I'm really struggling with the chloroform, too. I can't *imagine* when there are SO MANY readily available drugs or poisons, that little Princess would gather items and make chloroform. Surely there would be proofs of purchase and empty containers of items used to make chloroform. Where is the residue on containers,etc? If she bought it from a lab furnisher, say online, wouldn't there have been need for a credit card to purchase and wouldn't it be easy to check UPS or FEDEX deliveries to the home? Where would she make it? That house isn't exactly a rambler that you could keep much under wraps.

[marinewife5]

Just in case Baez is worried, his fears should be dispelled. No one thinks your client is a wizard criminal, fooling all the pros.

What did she do -- just dump everything in the bag? I am surprised that bottle and syringe have chloroform in them. I figured those items would wind up being unrelated trash.

I can tell this doc release release is causing lots of angst with people thinking about how it all happened. I am finding myself thinking that heart sticker was just a brutal touch from a sick mind.

It is almost too much to fathom.


my daughter always gets a sticker after a shot....very common practice with pediatrics and immunizations. how very very twisted. that sticker wasn't a sign of love for a child lost to an accident. it was an exclamation point and finishing touch to a sadistic plan. but the defense will try to trivialize it all (and trivialze caylee in the process) and the anthony's will just try to work the money making angle of the sympathy they will surely receive (not that they will truly receive sympathy....not for these active advocates of such a cold monster).

hope they enjoyed the cruise.

jmo

[Scampi]

ok were these docs released to the defense before or after the cruise.:cursing:

Can you imagine knowing this and still going on a cruise???

Also from that article:

A report generated in June and labeled "Summary of results" by Dr. Michael Rickenbach of the FBI indicates chemical tests show the syringe contained chloroform, testosterone, ethanol and water.

[GumShoeJoe]

I'm still not convinced on the chloroform.

It seems the second test (In July) on the doll showed no signs of Chloroform.

Even conceeding the doll, it still was in the trunk, with the remains, and searched for on the computer. "How to make chloroform". A stadium full of jurors would unanimously be troubled by this evidence. I don't care if they move the trial to Mars.

And shame on Cindy, trying to explain that internet search away. Why can't she just let the evidence lead itself to the truth instead of needing to interject foolishness?

[Lavinya]

Really? I didnt think you could get herion OTC. JK:w00t:

:tonguewag: :laugh:

Seriously, I go up and say I want 30 3cc 22 gauge, 1 inch needle syringes and they don't bat an eye. I used to have gestational diabetes, too and had to take insulin and I bought insulin syringes by the bag. No RX.

[summer]

Can you imagine knowing this and still going on a cruise???

Also from that article:

A report generated in June and labeled "Summary of results" by Dr. Michael Rickenbach of the FBI indicates chemical tests show the syringe contained chloroform, testosterone, ethanol and water.


Wow, maybe she just threw all kinds of crap in that syringe, made her own little *cocktail*.

I think there's no disputing the report here - there was chloroform in that syringe.

[Lavinya]

Can you imagine knowing this and still going on a cruise???

Also from that article:

A report generated in June and labeled "Summary of results" by Dr. Michael Rickenbach of the FBI indicates chemical tests show the syringe contained chloroform, testosterone, ethanol and water.


Where the HECK did testosterone come from???

[KTBarTheDoor]

now I hope they get cindy too. she knew what she was doing when she was cleaning. Your gb missing and you or worried about a car needing cleaned up now that makes no sense. george knew not to let cindy clean the car he should be in jail with his daughter. this family is something elce they will never tell the truth and I think they were all in on the cover up now. that is after they knew what casey has done.they all might want to get on a ship and get as far from fl.as they can get while the getting is good.jmho:wub:

IMO Martha they all need to be charged. maybe the can get a family plan on what the County charges daily.

[Dtviewer3]

Even conceeding the doll, it still was in the trunk, with the remains, and searched for on the computer. "How to make chloroform". A stadium full of jurors would unanimously be troubled by this evidence. I don't care if they move the trial to Mars.

And shame on Cindy, trying to explain that internet search away. Why can't she just let the evidence lead itself to the truth instead of needing to interject foolishness?


I agree, and I'm also troubled by the chloroform.

Im just not 'convinced' about the chloroform, and I am convinced about a lot of other evidence in this case.

[KTBarTheDoor]

Where the HECK did testosterone come from???

OH maybe there's someone casey knows whos taking injections for fertility and she stold the syringe when she was done with it.

[jakee]

jakee - probably like with the 911 calls Cindy got impulsive, sent Lee over there, changed her mind about Casey really being found, and called her instinctively to warn her.

Interesting that Cindy knew where she was, huh?

Very interesting! And thank you for the link upthread. These Anthony people....just strange.

[summer]

Where the HECK did testosterone come from???

Maybe she threw in some of George's hair loss product, you know he probably uses it to maintain his "mane". She probably went through the medicine cabinet and scooped up all kinds of stuff.

Is it possible that in the bowels of the Anthony home or garage there was an old bottle of chloroform, like from many many years back? Who knows why but maybe they had it for a purpose once upon a time.

[Lavinya]

OH maybe there's someone casey knows whos taking injections for fertility and she stold the syringe when she was done with it.

Or if someone is into anti-aging medicine... I have a family member who uses that and HGH for anti-aging purposes.

[GumShoeJoe]

Can you imagine knowing this and still going on a cruise???

Also from that article:

A report generated in June and labeled "Summary of results" by Dr. Michael Rickenbach of the FBI indicates chemical tests show the syringe contained chloroform, testosterone, ethanol and water.



That's gotta be a pre-mix, don't you think? Find what that mix is for and I'll bet that is a huge piece of info.

[Lavinya]

Maybe she threw in some of George's hair loss product, you know he probably uses it to maintain his "mane". She probably went through the medicine cabinet and scooped up all kinds of stuff.

Is it possible that in the bowels of the Anthony home or garage there was an old bottle of chloroform, like from many many years back? Who knows why but maybe they had it for a purpose once upon a time.

Gack! Now I need to find a list of all the meds they found in that house of horrors.

(Sorry I haven't answered some who have posted to me. I'm getting a bunch of phone calls today and I'm scattered about.)

[summer]

Off the wall question here but is testosterone in steroids? A lot of medicines have steroids, I even have a rash cream with a small amount in it. So it could've come from a normal family's medicine cabinet.

[Pierre]

Very interesting! And thank you for the link upthread. These Anthony people....just strange.


Oh their not just strange their CRIMINALS! They better be charged with coverup, or I'm gonna be mad for a looooong time.
Hows that smell working on ya George? Did the Ocean breeze put it out of your head for a day or two? There's no way you were at the tail light of the car during the 3rd week of june and not see or smell anything.
Dont worry Anthony's you will all be together again, just not at hopesring Drive.

[Myka]

Chloroform in the trunk. Check
Chloroform with the remains. Check
Chloroform on the computer. Check.

Hows that dog- plant research going, Cindy?

but where in the heck did she get the chloroform from? Can you just run out and buy a bottle of chloroform?...........I think NOT!

[denjet]

:tonguewag: :laugh:

Seriously, I go up and say I want 30 3cc 22 gauge, 1 inch needle syringes and they don't bat an eye. I used to have gestational diabetes, too and had to take insulin and I bought insulin syringes by the bag. No RX.

My sister is a nurse and gets syringes for penicillin to treat her dogs for kennel cough ... it's easier than you would think ... she works in a nursing home and penicillin ordered for a patient who passed away is also easy to come by ...

[martha]

I just think it all proves that CAYLEE was in the trunk of casey;s car and she was dead and casey was the last person to see her. now what elce do they need to put casey to death or lwop? I know no one seen her do it but my goodness what elce to they need. all i need was the 31 days. I think if i was g and c and lee i would leave the country now after what a fool they have made of them selfs. the def.lawyers need to just stop all the talk and go home. the money is the only reason they or in this anyway. how can g and c show their faces now.i just don;t know how they live with them selfs and look other people in the eyes.now is the time for them to face up to the facts of what casey has done and stand up for CAYLEE. jmho:wub:

[summer]

Well rest assured if there ever was a bottle of chloroform for any reason at the Anthony house it's long gone. Probably sleeping with the fishes.

[marinewife5]

Where the HECK did testosterone come from???

i'm still googling, but so far, it seems that there were steroids in that syringe....perhaps she swiped it from someone using steroids? or, (and no one slap me over this) the needle and bottle arent connected to the case? i will post a link as soon as i find one that explains those substances together.

jmo

[EverMoth]

but where in the heck did she get the chloroform from? Can you just run out and buy a bottle of chloroform?...........I think NOT!

IIRC, the searches on her computer were "how to make chloroform". . .sounds like a homemade cocktail to me. JMO

[Lavinya]

That's gotta be a pre-mix, don't you think? Find what that mix is for and I'll bet that is a huge piece of info.

I'm looking right now and there may be something about chloroform being used in extracting testosterone for injections. I'll keep looking and get back with ya'.

[Lavinya]

I'm finding a lot of links which state that testosterone can be extracted using chloroform... http://www.olympusmicro.com/micd/galleries/polarized/testosterone1.html

[martha]

My sister is a nurse and gets syringes for penicillin to treat her dogs for kennel cough ... it's easier than you would think ... she works in a nursing home and penicillin ordered for a patient who passed away is also easy to come by ... You or so right. home health came to see my brother when he was dying with cancer and when he passed away they said they had to take all the meds they gave him and i told her to take it all even the ones the doc had given him. now as far as anyone knew it was all at my house which it was not I gave it to them.I did not know what it was or what it was for. my hubby and I take a lot of meds.but nothing anyone would want it is all heart med and other things.nothing anyone would want for any drug use. I would think a nurse would have thing to use if they needed them like penicillin. jmho:wub:

[summer]

My mind turns to that conversation in jail when Casey says "I haven't said anything" and if she is holding back it sure wasn't to protect Cindy or the family. Whatever that *thing* is that Casey didn't tell is something that would incriminate her in the murder and just happens to be something Cindy wants hidden as well. For instance chloroform. Is it possible, just possible, that if that agent was used on Caylee that it was also used for a bad purpose by Cindy once upon a time? (I'm not talking murder, just maybe putting someone to sleep once in a while?)

I dunno, Cindy strikes me as someone with just enough knowledge of medicine to be dangerous. Coupled with her arrogance and "I know best" attitude and "no one can tell me I'm not the smartest person on the planet" demeanor, well, maybe she pulled some bad medical tricks out of her hat while the kids were growing up.

I know it's out there and just my mind rumbling but...

[Leo's Mom]

Does anyone remember, when the word chloroform first came up in this case, it was stated that Cindy once worked for an orthopedic surgeon and that chloroform is used in cast making and that Cindy might have had access to it from that particular job?

I don't know if this was ever confirmed or not. Anyone else remember that?

Thanks everyone for describing the documents today. I don't have the stomach to read them, though. It is a very difficult day, learning about all these new facts.

[denjet]

I'm really struggling with the chloroform, too. I can't *imagine* when there are SO MANY readily available drugs or poisons, that little Princess would gather items and make chloroform. Surely there would be proofs of purchase and empty containers of items used to make chloroform. Where is the residue on containers,etc? If she bought it from a lab furnisher, say online, wouldn't there have been need for a credit card to purchase and wouldn't it be easy to check UPS or FEDEX deliveries to the home? Where would she make it? That house isn't exactly a rambler that you could keep much under wraps.

Now I definitely think she was cholorforming Caylee so when she wanted her to sleep so KC could go out and party ... I think she probably already had it made when she decided to inject Caylee with her final dose ...

DP by lethal injection for KC is too humane !! I say she should die the death poor, little defenseless Caylee died ....:mad:

[jakee]

IIRC, the searches on her computer were "how to make chloroform". . .sounds like a homemade cocktail to me. JMO

But Cindy said she was looking chlorophyll on the computer for her puppy dogs. That explains that! It somehow led the search on how to make it. :rolleyes: IIRC of what she said. Sometimes I just have to skim over the outlandish BS.

[Scampi]

Where the HECK did testosterone come from???

I'm wondering if this was a used syringe?

[Januarybaby]

I'm finding a lot of links which state that testosterone can be extracted using chloroform... http://www.olympusmicro.com/micd/galleries/polarized/testosterone1.html

Females carry testosterone but not at high lvls like males. Males carry estrogen but not at the high lvls women do.

What Im wondering is if you use a needle on a woman or little girl can testoserone go back into a needle. Im having a hard time finding the answer.

[apothecary]

Where the HECK did testosterone come from???
Maybe it was a used syringe from a bodybuilder or some guy she knew and contained a residue of testosterone.Who knows

[marinewife5]

I'm wondering if this was a used syringe?

i'm wondering that too....and if there are prints on that syringe...it was closed in a bottle, correct?

[Scampi]

i'm still googling, but so far, it seems that there were steroids in that syringe....perhaps she swiped it from someone using steroids? or, (and no one slap me over this) the needle and bottle arent connected to the case? i will post a link as soon as i find one that explains those substances together.

jmo

I'm sure the defense will attempt to claim just that Marine, but realistically, that syringe was found with the remains so what are the chances?

I thought of steroid use also, I think she got a used needle and syringe and just used it.

[Lavinya]

Off the wall question here but is testosterone in steroids? A lot of medicines have steroids, I even have a rash cream with a small amount in it. So it could've come from a normal family's medicine cabinet.

Not a cortico-steroid which would be the most common anti-inflammatory steroid, summer. Testosterone is an androgen steroid and is used in infertility, prevention of osteoporosis in men, etc.

[apothecary]

Off the wall question here but is testosterone in steroids? A lot of medicines have steroids, I even have a rash cream with a small amount in it. So it could've come from a normal family's medicine cabinet.
Those are corticosteroids not anabolic steroids as testosterone is.

[margaritaville]

Off the wall question here but is testosterone in steroids? A lot of medicines have steroids, I even have a rash cream with a small amount in it. So it could've come from a normal family's medicine cabinet.

I just put all of those ingredients into Google..
Steroids came up along with an acne medications...

Weird huh!!

[SpecialK]

Is there any chance the "cocktail" found in the syringe was a performance-enhancing drug? As in anabolic steroids taken by atheletes and body builders? Casey had a lot of male friends and I've heard plenty of stories of young men buying cheap steroids from friends to build muscle mass. I'd be interested to know if any of the guys associated with Casey ever obtained steroids that she'd have access to...

JMO.

[neid_77]

I agree, and I'm also troubled by the chloroform.

Im just not 'convinced' about the chloroform, and I am convinced about a lot of other evidence in this case.

what would convince you?

[Lavinya]

Females carry testosterone but not at high lvls like males. Males carry estrogen but not at the high lvls women do.

What Im wondering is if you use a needle on a woman or little girl can testoserone go back into a needle. Im having a hard time finding the answer.

I highly doubt it JB. Unless you aspirate with the syringe, which there would be no reason to do so if you're trying to kill someone, a persons cells wouldn't be in the syringe. Even if blood were aspirated, you would need a healthy supply to get a testosterone level. IMO.

[Januarybaby]

Id like to know if all the men Casey was around, did the police ask them if they used steroids or any other kind of injectable meds.

[Scampi]

But Cindy said she was looking chlorophyll on the computer for her puppy dogs. That explains that! It somehow led the search on how to make it. :rolleyes: IIRC of what she said. Sometimes I just have to skim over the outlandish BS.

Speaking of which, I wonder how long it will take them to spout off some nonsense in response to this extremely incriminating evidence?

[marinewife5]

I'm sure the defense will attempt to claim just that Marine, but realistically, that syringe was found with the remains so what are the chances?

I thought of steroid use also, I think she got a used needle and syringe and just used it.

well, i'm thinking that if i'm a guy shooting myself up with steroids, i'm not gonna use a glove. and with that syringe in a bottle, there should be someone's prints on it. now, if i'm using that syringe to perpetrate a crime, i'm going to wear gloves, and leave no prints. but then, i wouldn't leave that syringe where i leave the body. unless i find the whole process of dumping it way to inconvenient and just want to be done with it. or if i dump it all in a panic. and i agree with your statement on the chances...i don't believe in coincidence.

jmo

[margaritaville]

but where in the heck did she get the chloroform from? Can you just run out and buy a bottle of chloroform?...........I think NOT!


Made with simple ingredients found in the ANTHONY'S SHED....

http://www.blurtit.com/q135973.html


Which we have the proof that Casey googled "how to make chloroform" back in March 2008.

[Januarybaby]

I highly doubt it JB. Unless you aspirate with the syringe, which there would be no reason to do so if you're trying to kill someone, a persons cells wouldn't be in the syringe. Even if blood were aspirated, you would need a healthy supply to get a testosterone level. IMO.

K.......tyvm

[ruth66]

I just put all of those ingredients into Google..
Steroids came up along with an acne medications...Weird huh!!

BBM
Maybe left over acne medicine from LEE....JMO

[summer]

Ha! OK thanks folks for the steroid info. I'm obviously no rocket scientist. LOL.

[Pierre]

Not a cortico-steroid which would be the most common anti-inflammatory steroid, summer. Testosterone is an androgen steroid and is used in infertility, prevention of osteoporosis in men, etc.

Testosterone "definition"= Something you need to take as a man living with Cindy Anthony.

[Addy]

My mind turns to that conversation in jail when Casey says "I haven't said anything" and if she is holding back it sure wasn't to protect Cindy or the family. Whatever that *thing* is that Casey didn't tell is something that would incriminate her in the murder and just happens to be something Cindy wants hidden as well. For instance chloroform. Is it possible, just possible, that if that agent was used on Caylee that it was also used for a bad purpose by Cindy once upon a time? (I'm not talking murder, just maybe putting someone to sleep once in a while?)

I dunno, Cindy strikes me as someone with just enough knowledge of medicine to be dangerous. Coupled with her arrogance and "I know best" attitude and "no one can tell me I'm not the smartest person on the planet" demeanor, well, maybe she pulled some bad medical tricks out of her hat while the kids were growing up.

I know it's out there and just my mind rumbling but...I've wondered about this too....

[marinewife5]

BBM
Maybe left over acne medicine from LEE....JMO

i thought the exact same thing.

[farrahrani]

Thats what I thought too. OMG! I hope she didnt inject her with it.

Where did she get the syringe? cindys work maybe?

Is it possible she tried to get Caylee to drink it from the tainted sports drink and when she probably made a face and refused gave her the needle?

This is kind of gruesome but when I saw syringe and bottle both containing traces of chloroform my first thought was a flashback to detective shows, where a person tampers with a drink by using a syringe so that the safety seal isn't broken. It made me wonder if maybe Casey injected the bottle with it, then left Caylee with Cindy, and Cindy gave Caylee the sports drink, maybe something she just regularly liked...it would have devastated Cindy to know that the child died in her care, something that Casey would have gotten a sick kick out of. :crying:

[Lavinya]

I'm wondering if this was a used syringe?

Argh! I hate it when evidence causes MORE questions! :cuss:

[need2no]

Testosterone "definition"= Something you need to take as a man living with Cindy Anthony.

:laugh: good one Pierre!

[Dtviewer3]

what would convince you?


Caseys fingerprints on the syringe would work!!:thumbsup:

[apothecary]

My mind turns to that conversation in jail when Casey says "I haven't said anything" and if she is holding back it sure wasn't to protect Cindy or the family. Whatever that *thing* is that Casey didn't tell is something that would incriminate her in the murder and just happens to be something Cindy wants hidden as well. For instance chloroform. Is it possible, just possible, that if that agent was used on Caylee that it was also used for a bad purpose by Cindy once upon a time? (I'm not talking murder, just maybe putting someone to sleep once in a while?)

I dunno, Cindy strikes me as someone with just enough knowledge of medicine to be dangerous. Coupled with her arrogance and "I know best" attitude and "no one can tell me I'm not the smartest person on the planet" demeanor, well, maybe she pulled some bad medical tricks out of her hat while the kids were growing up.

I know it's out there and just my mind rumbling but...

That is the theory I have believed all along...that Casey just did something that she knew Cindy had done and this time either deliberately or accidentally she overdosed Caylee.jmo

[EverMoth]

Is there any chance the "cocktail" found in the syringe was a performance-enhancing drug? As in anabolic steroids taken by atheletes and body builders? Casey had a lot of male friends and I've heard plenty of stories of young men buying cheap steroids from friends to build muscle mass. I'd be interested to know if any of the guys associated with Casey ever obtained steroids that she'd have access to...

JMO.

I'm confused. Is testosterone a byproduct of chloroform or the other way around. There was quite a bit of chloroform found in the trunk of the car, iirc. If this was from steroids - aren't those usually in pill form? Why would someone be carrying around enough liquid steriods to contaminate, not only the syringe, soft drink and doll, but also areas on the floor of the trunk? Seems like chloroform is the culprit. :confused:

[Lavinya]

I just put all of those ingredients into Google..
Steroids came up along with an acne medications...

Weird huh!!

You used the word "steroid" or "testosterone", because testosterone usually *causes* acne.

[apothecary]

Testosterone "definition"= Something you need to take as a man living with Cindy Anthony.

TOO FUNNY.........:thumbsup:

[denjet]

i'm wondering that too....and if there are prints on that syringe...it was closed in a bottle, correct?
Yes and the gatorade bottle was inside the backpack if I read it correctly

I pray there were prints ...

[desmom]

But Cindy said she was looking chlorophyll on the computer for her puppy dogs. That explains that! It somehow led the search on how to make it. :rolleyes: IIRC of what she said. Sometimes I just have to skim over the outlandish BS.

On page 155 they asked Cindy how she would spell chlorophyll. She spelled it wrong - page 184

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310276/detail.html