"Mommy's Little Girl" by Diane Fanning - Discussion

[desmom]

Some of us picked up Diane Fanning's book today and some have it on order. Instead of discussing the book in the regular daily thread and spoiling things for those still waiting on the book, I am hoping we can discuss the book here.

[desmom]

I am 125 pages into the book and wished I would have kept notes. There are a few little things I have ran across I didn't know .... or I had forgot.

[Sun]

I am 125 pages into the book and wished I would have kept notes. There are a few little things I have ran across I didn't know .... or I had forgot.

I wish that you'd taken notes and posted them here. :smile: (not really sure if I want to plug into believing that everything that Fanning puts in the book as the truth though) Most normally print in paperbacks is very teeny, and my eyes no longer can handle that.

[desmom]

I wish that you'd taken notes and posted them here. :smile: (not really sure if I want to plug into believing that everything that Fanning puts in the book as the truth though) Most normally print in paperbacks is very teeny, and my eyes no longer can handle that.

The little things are not anything major...

Casey was more than a half-credit from graduating - her classmates said she just stopped going to class her senior year.

Cindy's brothers called her "The Princess" when they were growing up.

When LE took Casey to Sawgrass Apartments, they asked if she had ever been inside the apartment and if there is furniture. Casey said she had been inside the apartment and there is furniture and children's toys.

When Casey and Lee were in the garage, Lee asked her what she had done to find Caylee. Casey said she staked-out the apartment. She mixed up the dates saying June 9 and then June 15. When Lee called her on it, she changed it to she staked out the apartment on several occasions.

jmo

[Sun]

The little things are not anything major...

Casey was more than a half-credit from graduating - her classmates said she just stopped going to class her senior year.

Cindy's brothers called her "The Princess" when they were growing up.

When LE took Casey to Sawgrass Apartments, they asked if she had ever been inside the apartment and if there is furniture. Casey said she had been inside the apartment and there is furniture and children's toys.

When Casey and Lee were in the garage, Lee asked her what she had done to find Caylee. Casey said she staked-out the apartment. She mixed up the dates saying June 9 and then June 15. When Lee called her on it, she changed it to she staked out the apartment on several occasions.

jmo

Thanks desmom! In the State's depo of Lee, he indicated that Casey would skip scholl, so I'm not at all surprised to see this in Fanning's book.

I'm guessing that Casey's "staking out" may translate to "homeless and sleeping in her car" if one were to know the whole truth.

[Katprint]

Thanks desmom! In the State's depo of Lee, he indicated that Casey would skip scholl, so I'm not at all surprised to see this in Fanning's book.

I'm guessing that Casey's "staking out" may translate to "homeless and sleeping in her car" if one were to know the whole truth.
Alternative translation: "drinking, partying and sleeping with strangers."

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[BettyC]

I wish that you'd taken notes and posted them here. :smile: (not really sure if I want to plug into believing that everything that Fanning puts in the book as the truth though) Most normally print in paperbacks is very teeny, and my eyes no longer can handle that.

Boy are you right Sun. If this were in large print, I'd be a happy camper. I'm going to try and read for about an hour if my eyes can take it. I read better in daylight.

ita with whoever said the photos are not that new or amazing.


eta: laughing already here.

THE DISCLOSURE

"Repetition does not transform a lie into the truth." - Franklin Roosevelt

[tulpje]

I should receive the book tomorrow.
Thanks for starting a new thread to discuss the book.

[Deannalynn]

I plan on buying the book tomorrow myself. Altho I said I wouldn't, Nosey Rosy here, will be pulling in front of Barnes and Nobles. :lol:

[denjet]

ITA on the print ... guess I haven't read a paperback in awhile ...
I skipped ahead (Chapter 13?)
Interesting info on Cindy's family heritage

Cindy's father is a 1st generation Romanian ... and they were poor, living in project housing in a run-down neighborhood ... they moved to a better neighborhood in 1962 but they were still poor ...

explains a lot about Cindy's placing high values on money and appearances ... and the classless way she handles her new found wealth

[BettyC]

ITA on the print ... guess I haven't read a paperback in awhile ...
I skipped ahead (Chapter 13?)
Interesting info on Cindy's family heritage

Cindy's father is a 1st generation Romanian ... and they were poor, living in project housing in a run-down neighborhood ... they moved to a better neighborhood in 1962 but they were still poor ...

explains a lot about Cindy's placing high values on money and appearances ... and the classless way she handles her new found wealth

Hey denjet, no cheating. No moving ahead!

[denjet]

Hey denjet, no cheating. No moving ahead!

LOL Bett! But I'm a slow reader .... :blushing:
No, really, I've been eager to find out more about the family and what made Cindy they way she is !! No mysteries there though ...

[summer]

LOL Bett! But I'm a slow reader .... :blushing:
No, really, I've been eager to find out more about the family and what made Cindy they way she is !! No mysteries there though ...

Hiya Denjet, is Fanning making excuses for Cindy because she grew up poor? Many many first generation immigrants had the same circumstance. My grandfather from Russia was as poor as it gets. He was a shoe-maker with 7 children and his wife, (my grandmother) died when my mother, the youngest, was 5 years old. A shoemaker with 7 children and he raised them by himself. No-one managed to kill anyone. And none of the brothers and sisters, after they had their own families and careers and houses and accumulated some wealth ever got tattoos or wore hideous earrings (or the equivalent back in the day).

I hope this book doesn't garner any sympathy for Cindy.

[kakax]

Boy are you right Sun. If this were in large print, I'd be a happy camper. I'm going to try and read for about an hour if my eyes can take it. I read better in daylight.

ita with whoever said the photos are not that new or amazing.


eta: laughing already here.

THE DISCLOSURE

"Repetition does not transform a lie into the truth." - Franklin Roosevelt

Loved that line...I may have to steal it for my siggy.

[kakax]

I'm sure this has been said a million times, but I have to say I respect Tone for so quickly realizing that Casey wasn't who she said she was. He packed her things and found Amy's checkbook...immediately called Amy and began to distance himself from her. He asked her some of the most pointed questions in his texts. And he never took another phone call from her when she went to jail.

If the police had been able to get him to wire his phone and accept a call, maybe he would have gotten more statements like the one where she said...guess who is going to jail for the rest of her life if they don't find Caylee, but I doubt it.

Very glad he knew in his "gut" that Casey was a liar and he didn't want to have anything to do with it.

[kakax]

The little things are not anything major...

Casey was more than a half-credit from graduating - her classmates said she just stopped going to class her senior year.

Cindy's brothers called her "The Princess" when they were growing up.

When LE took Casey to Sawgrass Apartments, they asked if she had ever been inside the apartment and if there is furniture. Casey said she had been inside the apartment and there is furniture and children's toys.

When Casey and Lee were in the garage, Lee asked her what she had done to find Caylee. Casey said she staked-out the apartment. She mixed up the dates saying June 9 and then June 15. When Lee called her on it, she changed it to she staked out the apartment on several occasions.

jmo

This information is very interesting to me, if true. She knew the correct date but wanted to go along with the June 9th date.

[kakax]

One other thing that I didn't know before reading this book...I may just have missed it...but

Casey, in her written statement, said that she didn't know why Zaneida had taken Caylee out of Orlando.

Very different than telling her parents and Lee that she was close to home. Seems like she was trying to give LE the idea that Caylee was no where near the home.

ETA: She also said that Zenaida had not told her if Caylee would be coming home. Very different from the script she was supposedly given. Casey couldn't even keep track of her own lies.

[summer]

I'm sure this has been said a million times, but I have to say I respect Tone for so quickly realizing that Casey wasn't who she said she was. He packed her things and found Amy's checkbook...immediately called Amy and began to distance himself from her. He asked her some of the most pointed questions in his texts. And he never took another phone call from her when she went to jail.

If the police had been able to get him to wire his phone and accept a call, maybe he would have gotten more statements like the one where she said...guess who is going to jail for the rest of her life if they don't find Caylee, but I doubt it.

Very glad he knew in his "gut" that Casey was a liar and he didn't want to have anything to do with it.

ITA with your assessment Kakax! I think his actions show he has a solid core value system. His parents are probably great. People have criticized him for doing his age-appropriate college student guy things, but I've never found fault with him and do think he's a heck of a decent person. The proof is there for all to see.

[denjet]

Hiya Denjet, is Fanning making excuses for Cindy because she grew up poor? Many many first generation immigrants had the same circumstance. My grandfather from Russia was as poor as it gets. He was a shoe-maker with 7 children and his wife, (my grandmother) died when my mother, the youngest, was 5 years old. A shoemaker with 7 children and he raised them by himself. No-one managed to kill anyone. And none of the brothers and sisters, after they had their own families and careers and houses and accumulated some wealth ever got tattoos or wore hideous earrings (or the equivalent back in the day).

I hope this book doesn't garner any sympathy for Cindy.
No, it doesn't appear to be doing that ... just giving insight into family background and dynamics, I think ... I think it says something about a person who is ashamed of their upbringing because of money and not family values and hard work ... Cindy created her own reality a long time ago and distanced herself from her family and upbringing ... she is a shallow, superficial person impressed with materialistic things and creating an image of her life the way she wants others to see it ... probably impresses herself too ...

[kakax]

Every time I read Casey's words in her statement to the police, I am astounded at the lies. I don't think I have ever met someone like her that tells lie after lie after lie like this. I should be thankful. I think the prosecution should towards the end of their closing remarks let the audio play of Casey's first statement to Yuri. It really is astounding to hear after you know the facts we know now.

[kakax]

No, it doesn't appear to be doing that ... just giving insight into family background and dynamics, I think ... I think it says something about a person who is ashamed of their upbringing because of money and not family values and hard work ... Cindy created her own reality a long time ago and distanced herself from her family and upbringing ... she is a shallow, superficial person impressed with materialistic things and creating an image of her life the way she wants others to see it ... probably impresses herself too ...

Apparently she is the only one she impresses. I do agree with everything you have said.

[summer]

No, it doesn't appear to be doing that ... just giving insight into family background and dynamics, I think ... I think it says something about a person who is ashamed of their upbringing because of money and not family values and hard work ... Cindy created her own reality a long time ago and distanced herself from her family and upbringing ... she is a shallow, superficial person impressed with materialistic things and creating an image of her life the way she wants others to see it ... probably impresses herself too ...

So true. Thanks Denjet.

[Deannalynn]

No, it doesn't appear to be doing that ... just giving insight into family background and dynamics, I think ... I think it says something about a person who is ashamed of their upbringing because of money and not family values and hard work ... Cindy created her own reality a long time ago and distanced herself from her family and upbringing ... she is a shallow, superficial person impressed with materialistic things and creating an image of her life the way she wants others to see it ... probably impresses herself too ...

I clearly realize the brothers called Cindy the little princess but I am also wondering if she had the same type of relationship with her mother as Casey had with her. It usually plays that way for some reason. Of course as sweet as Cindy's mom may be, I doubt she would answer that question with truth. It appears they are not a close knit family, they don't even get together on big holidays. They certainly keep their distance. I'm just going to throw this out there.
If it were Cindy's mother in the hospital with the aftermaths of a stroke, would Cindy have been up there visiting like she did.

[denjet]

I clearly realize the brothers called Cindy the little princess but I am also wondering if she had the same type of relationship with her mother as Casey had with her. It usually plays that way for some reason. Of course as sweet as Cindy's mom may be, I doubt she would answer that question with truth. It appears they are not a close knit family, they don't even get together on big holidays. They certainly keep their distance. I'm just going to throw this out there.
If it were Cindy's mother in the hospital with the aftermaths of a stroke, would Cindy have been up there visiting like she did.

mmmm ... maybe not, she does seem to have the Daddy's Little Girl syndrom ... she also was the only one to get put through college, mainly because family finances got better ... it sounds like the brothers were on their own to do that ... probably resentment there too (from the brothers I mean) ... Probably added to Cindy's sense of superiority

[BettyC]

mmmm ... maybe not, she does seem to have the Daddy's Little Girl syndrom ... she also was the only one to get put through college, mainly because family finances got better ... it sounds like the brothers were on their own to do that ... probably resentment there too (from the brothers I mean) ... Probably added to Cindy's sense of superiority

Yep, they put her through nursing school when they weren't in the position to help her brothers through college, and she doesn't want to get a job !

[denjet]

Yep, they put her through nursing school when they weren't in the position to help her brothers through college, and she doesn't want to get a job !

Oh, I'll bet Cindy is none too happy about this book ... wait she'll be spouting about all the lies in the book ... it's coming ... she's probably trying to see if she can sue Diane Fanning ... I'm sure she's not happy with the page in the book that simple states:
"To Caylee Marie Anthony"
:wub:

[BettyC]

Oh, I'll bet Cindy is none too happy about this book ... wait she'll be spouting about all the lies in the book ... it's coming ... she's probably trying to see if she can sue Diane Fanning ... I'm sure she's not happy with the page in the book that simple states:
"To Caylee Marie Anthony"
:wub:

She's probably had her man Dominic already checking Diane Fanning out to see if she can get something on her.

That, as we have come to know, is Cindy's style.

[denjet]

She's probably had her man Dominic already checking Diane Fanning out to see if she can get something on her.

That, as we have come to know, is Cindy's style.

I'm sure Diane can handle anything thrown her way ... this is not her first true crime account and won't be her last ... any criticism thrown her way from Camp Anthony will just make THEM look bad ...

[MiamiNice1]

She's probably had her man Dominic already checking Diane Fanning out to see if she can get something on her.

That, as we have come to know, is Cindy's style.
....and Dominic will do a thorough NetDetective.com search....and find nothing. :rolleyes:

[denjet]

....and Dominic will do a thorough NetDetective.com search....and find nothing. :rolleyes:

LMAO Miami! :lol:
and he wonders why he's not getting paid !!

[LadyHam]

Thanks so much for starting this thread, Desmom! :seeya:

Well, I got the book and I am on page 48. I really like Diane Fanning's writing style and the way she is laying everything out. I know that most of the information is already known by most of us, but I think it is very interesting the way she is putting it together.

One thing I found very interesting is that Cindy told Amy that Casey admitted to using her checks. On page 28 Cindy says that she asked Casey about Amy checks and Casey told her mother that she wrote all of those checks. I am betting that is definitely going to be coming in during the fraud trial, eh?

Another thing is that the pictures really aren't pictures that we haven't seen before, but I guess the good thing about that is that we can be rest assured that no licensing fees were paid to The Anthony's for new pictures. :D

Back to reading....

[LadyHam]

....and Dominic will do a thorough NetDetective.com search....and find nothing. :rolleyes:

:laugh: ..............

[desmom]

Thanks so much for starting this thread, Desmom! :seeya:

Well, I got the book and I am on page 48. I really like Diane Fanning's writing style and the way she is laying everything out. I know that most of the information is already known by most of us, but I think it is very interesting the way she is putting it together.

One thing I found very interesting is that Cindy told Amy that Casey admitted to using her checks. On page 28 Cindy says that she asked Casey about Amy checks and Casey told her mother that she wrote all of those checks. I am betting that is definitely going to be coming in during the fraud trial, eh?

Another thing is that the pictures really aren't pictures that we haven't seen before, but I guess the good thing about that is that we can be rest assured that no licensing fees were paid to The Anthony's for new pictures. :D

Back to reading....


BBM - I always wondered why Casey wrote "I have lied and stolen from friends and family to do whatever I could by any means, to find my daughter." in her handwritten statement to LE on 7/16. I guess now I know.

Most of us are familiar with the witness statements and the who, what, when and where, but the time line events get a little foggy for me. It is nice to see it all put together.

page 118 - I didn't realize Tone invited Casey to the Anything but Clothes Party and he was at the party.

jmo

[BettyC]

BBM - I always wondered why Casey wrote "I have lied and stolen from friends and family to do whatever I could by any means, to find my daughter." in her handwritten statement to LE on 7/16. I guess now I know.

Most of us are familiar with the witness statements and the who, what, when and where, but the time line events get a little foggy for me. It is nice to see it all put together.

page 118 - I didn't realize Tone invited Casey to the Anything but Clothes Party and he was at the party.

jmo

I'm not sure I remembered that either Des. Amy says in her statement that she went with Casey and Troy and that Casey and Tony were playing beer pong. She's says that when all of them (including Casey) first met Tony.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1642949/Huizenga-Amy---Statement
Page 7


IIRC Tony first spotted her on myspace or facebook? So he probably did invite them to that party.


I believe Tony had sa

[Scampi]

This information is very interesting to me, if true. She knew the correct date but wanted to go along with the June 9th date.

.....and notice that date is JUNE 15th, not June 16!

[Scampi]

Oh, I'll bet Cindy is none too happy about this book ... wait she'll be spouting about all the lies in the book ... it's coming ... she's probably trying to see if she can sue Diane Fanning ... I'm sure she's not happy with the page in the book that simple states:
"To Caylee Marie Anthony"
:wub:

Oh I bet little cynthia is steaming over this book....lol. But, she's in a predicament here, cuz if she has a PC about her displeasure it will only bring more attention to the book and sell more copies, imo. :thumbsup:

When conways pc was cancelled yesterday, the thought crossed my mind that it was postponed until after this book's publication and then conway could hold one and yap about the book and george's new ear rings.

[desmom]

I'm not sure I remembered that either Des. Amy says in her statement that she went with Casey and Troy and that Casey and Tony were playing beer pong. She's says that when all of them (including Casey) first met Tony.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1642949/Huizenga-Amy---Statement
Page 7


IIRC Tony first spotted her on myspace or facebook? So he probably did invite them to that party.


I believe Tony had sa

Amy and Casey's text messages http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1772101/AH-and-KC-Text-Messages

page 37 - 5/25 10:56 a.m. Casey to Amy - It was a lot of fun. I'm glad I finally got to see Tony. He's a really sweet guy. And we kicked but at beer pong. 3 and 0. Did you have fun. I know you were exhausted.

Amy to Casey - Oh yeah. That's why I left when I did I was having fun but wanted to go before that stopped.

The text messages then turned to their costumes for the party. Amy said she has a great idea for a costume and she needed to go to Walmart or some place cheap for a tank top and skirt. Casey responded a couple hours later with You will officially see the American flag in all its glory tonight.

It may have been something Tone mentioned to Casey because I didn't notice any talk of costumes earlier in the week. It seemed to be a last minute effort to gather things needed for their costumes.

jmo

[AnnieKins]

The little things are not anything major...

Casey was more than a half-credit from graduating - her classmates said she just stopped going to class her senior year.

Cindy's brothers called her "The Princess" when they were growing up.

When LE took Casey to Sawgrass Apartments, they asked if she had ever been inside the apartment and if there is furniture. Casey said she had been inside the apartment and there is furniture and children's toys.

When Casey and Lee were in the garage, Lee asked her what she had done to find Caylee. Casey said she staked-out the apartment. She mixed up the dates saying June 9 and then June 15. When Lee called her on it, she changed it to she staked out the apartment on several occasions.

jmo

BBM Obviously that's part of the reason that she feels so above everyone and everything. :crying:

[kakax]

.....and notice that date is JUNE 15th, not June 16!

Hmmmm....isn't that interesting. Leads a lot of credence to the July 15theories. Good catch, Reg.

[kakax]

BBM Obviously that's part of the reason that she feels so above everyone and everything. :crying:



Certainly goes to show she doesn't like it when things don't go her way. I definitely agree with you that it is part of the reason we see her act the way she does.

[Deannalynn]

BBM Obviously that's part of the reason that she feels so above everyone and everything. :crying:

If I'm not mistaken, George calls Casey princess, right?
Hmmm:sneaky:

[Deannalynn]

BBM - I always wondered why Casey wrote "I have lied and stolen from friends and family to do whatever I could by any means, to find my daughter." in her handwritten statement to LE on 7/16. I guess now I know.

Most of us are familiar with the witness statements and the who, what, when and where, but the time line events get a little foggy for me. It is nice to see it all put together.

page 118 - I didn't realize Tone invited Casey to the Anything but Clothes Party and he was at the party.

jmo

Casey can babble on til the moon turns green. Rest assure they will use it all against her.
I don't recall seeing anything on that check out stand (Target) that had anything to do with finding Caylee. A lot to do with cooking and dressing and drinking for TonE.
In addition, she didn't even have a dime of that money she stole from Amy to put gas in the darn car to even go hunting for her. Then we have her at fusions looking for Caylee on a stage getting it on with another girl. That was some investigating. Yep, all 4 checks were all about Caylee and doing anything to find her.

[MiamiNice1]

LMAO Miami! :lol:
and he wonders why he's not getting paid !!

ROFL! He's a good example of that wisdom: "You get what you pay for." :sneaky:

imo

[luvmyboys]

Hmmmm....isn't that interesting. Leads a lot of credence to the July 15theories. Good catch, Reg.

nice to see you scamp, kakax and miami!!!:thumbsup:

[LadyHam]

What does everyone think of Chapter 20? I just finished reading it. Does everyone think that is the way that it could have happened? I am not sure what I think yet.

Onto Chapter 21....

[AnnieKins]

If I'm not mistaken, George calls Casey princess, right?
Hmmm:sneaky:

Ohhhh... :ohmy:

How can that be when Cindy is the Princess? One more reason for the jealousy between them.

[Kathlb]

Good afternoon everyone,
Just taking a moment to check in during work schedules.

I'm not sure if this has been posted, but I subscribe to the Women in Crime site and also get their newsletter. Today I got this on Diane Fanning's book. She wrote it also...

http://womenincrimeink.blogspot.com/...ttle-girl.html

[desmom]

We know the family likes to cover for Casey. i.e. Even though George and Cindy knew Casey was not graduating, they told no one. When Cindy's parents arrived at the graduation and saw Casey was not in a cap and gown, they asked why. Casey explained she was not graduating. When they returned to the house, Cindy told her parents they were not to tell her brothers Casey did not graduate. The brothers found out four years later.(Chapter 13)

Remember Casey's seizure. IIRC, Cindy said the hospital ran all types of test and everything was fine. Cindy blamed it on energy drinks. Diane Fanning suggests Alcohol Poisoning in Chapter 17.

page 49 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2817323/Caylee-Anthony-Case-November-26th-2008-Documents

When asked, Jesse told us of an incident that occurred on Sunday, November 18, 2007 in which Casey appeared to be having a seizure. Jesse told us that the Saturday before, they had all gone out. Casey got very drunk and spent the night at Jesse's apartment. The following morning, on the 18th, Casey left the apartment and returned a short while later. Jesse believes she went home. They fell asleep on the couch watching football.

page 10 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Grund,%20Jesse.03.090808.pdf
JG: ..And from my limited first aide experience it, it looked like a grand mal seizure to me. So I moved a table out of the way, turned her on her side. Her lips turned slightly blue.

George and Cindy have said Casey did not drink much, maybe a drink or two. Witness statements and photos say otherwise. Blaming Casey's seizure on energy drinks and stating Casey did not drink much would discredit A.P. was the cause of Casey's seizure.

Seizures and bluish skin color are symptoms of alcohol poisoning. http://www.collegedrinkingprevention.gov/OtherAlcoholInformation/factsAboutAlcoholPoisoning.aspx#CriticalSigns

jmo

[desmom]

What does everyone think of Chapter 20? I just finished reading it. Does everyone think that is the way that it could have happened? I am not sure what I think yet.

Onto Chapter 21....

From reading it, yes I do. Eventually I want to go back and study it more. jmo

[ruth66]

Haven't posted here in some time although I am still keeping up with the case.

Just wanted to say that I made the journey to Barnes and Noble this morning with the intention of picking up a copy of this book. As I picked up the book and thumbed through it, read a few paragraphs here and there, I got this nauseating feeling in my stomach. I could not bring myself to spend $6.99 to hear more of the same lies that the Anthonys are so famous for. My heart goes out to Caylee and I certainly want justice for that beautiful little girl but I can't bring myself to add to the delusions of grandeur that this family has. All the attention they are receiving (good, bad or indifferent) seems to empower these people and that is just wrong.

JMO/thank you for allowing me my 2 cents worth....:smile:

[desmom]

Good afternoon everyone,
Just taking a moment to check in during work schedules.

I'm not sure if this has been posted, but I subscribe to the Women in Crime site and also get their newsletter. Today I got this on Diane Fanning's book. She wrote it also...

http://womenincrimeink.blogspot.com/...ttle-girl.html


I get a "Page not found". :confused:

[BettyC]

I get a "Page not found". :confused:

I don't know if this was the original link or not des:

http://womenincrimeink.blogspot.com/2009/01/to-write-or-not-to-write.html

[kakax]

This post is in response to Anniekins post about believing that Casey was a 1/2 credit shy in highschool.





We all believed it. Now we know (or at least it has been alleged) that Casey was more than just a 1.5 credits shy. They even allowed the grandparents to come to the graduation if you can believe that. Cindy told them that Casey wouldn't be graduating and she swore them to secrecy so no one else in the family would find out. And no one did find out until Caylee went "missing".

[kakax]

We know the family likes to cover for Casey. i.e. Even though George and Cindy knew Casey was not graduating, they told no one. When Cindy's parents arrived at the graduation and saw Casey was not in a cap and gown, they asked why. Casey explained she was not graduating. When they returned to the house, Cindy told her parents they were not to tell her brothers Casey did not graduate. The brothers found out four years later.(Chapter 13)

Remember Casey's seizure. IIRC, Cindy said the hospital ran all types of test and everything was fine. Cindy blamed it on energy drinks. Diane Fanning suggests Alcohol Poisoning in Chapter 17.

page 49 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2817323/Caylee-Anthony-Case-November-26th-2008-Documents

When asked, Jesse told us of an incident that occurred on Sunday, November 18, 2007 in which Casey appeared to be having a seizure. Jesse told us that the Saturday before, they had all gone out. Casey got very drunk and spent the night at Jesse's apartment. The following morning, on the 18th, Casey left the apartment and returned a short while later. Jesse believes she went home. They fell asleep on the couch watching football.

page 10 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Grund,%20Jesse.03.090808.pdf
JG: ..And from my limited first aide experience it, it looked like a grand mal seizure to me. So I moved a table out of the way, turned her on her side. Her lips turned slightly blue.

George and Cindy have said Casey did not drink much, maybe a drink or two. Witness statements and photos say otherwise. Blaming Casey's seizure on energy drinks and stating Casey did not drink much would discredit A.P. was the cause of Casey's seizure.

Seizures and bluish skin color are symptoms of alcohol poisoning. http://www.collegedrinkingprevention.gov/OtherAlcoholInformation/factsAboutAlcoholPoisoning.aspx#CriticalSigns

jmo

I had absolutely no idea that AP lead to seizures. You learn something everyday. Makes sense to me!

[Ladygator]

This post is in response to Anniekins post about believing that Casey was a 1/2 credit shy in highschool.





We all believed it. Now we know (or at least it has been alleged) that Casey was more than just a 1.5 credits shy. They even allowed the grandparents to come to the graduation if you can believe that. Cindy told them that Casey wouldn't be graduating and she swore them to secrecy so no one else in the family would find out. And no one did find out until Caylee went "missing".

I am sorry if this should have been put in the other thread.

It never made any sense that Casey wouldn't graduate over a 1/2 credit. Or that nobody knew until it was time to graduate. BS!!

My Son was a 1/2 credit short once upon a time in High School and he made it up that same year by going to summer school.

[desmom]

This post is in response to Anniekins post about believing that Casey was a 1/2 credit shy in highschool.





We all believed it. Now we know (or at least it has been alleged) that Casey was more than just a 1.5 credits shy. They even allowed the grandparents to come to the graduation if you can believe that. Cindy told them that Casey wouldn't be graduating and she swore them to secrecy so no one else in the family would find out. And no one did find out until Caylee went "missing".

I am sorry if this should have been put in the other thread.

IMO, you are on the right thread.

Ms. Fanning wrote Casey told her parents it was because the school did not give her credit for an on-line class. The only problem with that story is there were no on line class options at that time.

jmo

[summer]

This post is in response to Anniekins post about believing that Casey was a 1/2 credit shy in highschool.





We all believed it. Now we know (or at least it has been alleged) that Casey was more than just a 1.5 credits shy. They even allowed the grandparents to come to the graduation if you can believe that. Cindy told them that Casey wouldn't be graduating and she swore them to secrecy so no one else in the family would find out. And no one did find out until Caylee went "missing".

Wow. What possible right would these parents have to attend a graduation when their daughter didn't graduate? What kind of a crazy thing is that? If true then another example of the Anthonys stomping their feet and bullying their way around the system just to shut them up. I guess it didn't matter if Casey didn't graduate as long as they got to *pretend* she did. And the school enabled. Ridiculous.

[desmom]

Wow. What possible right would these parents have to attend a graduation when their daughter didn't graduate? What kind of a crazy thing is that? If true then another example of the Anthonys stomping their feet and bullying their way around the system just to shut them up. I guess it didn't matter if Casey didn't graduate as long as they got to *pretend* she did. And the school enabled. Ridiculous.

I am confused. How did the school enable them?

TIA

[Katprint]

It never made any sense that Casey wouldn't graduate over a 1/2 credit. Or that nobody knew until it was time to graduate. BS!!

My Son was a 1/2 credit short once upon a time in High School and he made it up that same year by going to summer school.
That is a lot like what happened when my younger brother flunked one semester of the required math class he needed to graduate. They let him "walk" i.e. participate in the graduation ceremony with the rest of his graduating class, then he made up the math class in summer school, then they gave him his actual paper diploma at the end of summer.

And my parents DEFINITELY knew before the date of the graduation ceremony. I was no longer living at home at the time but it was a frequent topic of conversation in our family for a while.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[summer]

I am confused. How did the school enable them?

TIA

Did I mis-read kakax's quote? Evidentally it is stated that the school allowed the parents to come to graduation ceremony even though she didn't graduate. Unless I'm having a senior moment here that's how I interpreted the quote. Is that not enabling? Supporting an *appearance* for its own sake?

[Ladygator]

I had absolutely no idea that AP lead to seizures. You learn something everyday. Makes sense to me!

My Niece had a seizure about two years ago. The first of many over the course of a couple of scary months until enough tests and Dr appointments were over and she was diagnosed as being epileptic. In between these tests she was not to be left alone for any reason. DH and I even teen sat her a couple of times, lol. She couldn't drive either.

On that first night when she was transported by ambulance to the ER, the Dr. asked about drug and alcohol abuse because of her being a teen who didn't have a history of seizures. He ordered drug and alcohol testing. She was clean!

[desmom]

Did I mis-read kakax's quote? Evidentally it is stated that the school allowed the parents to come to graduation ceremony even though she didn't graduate. Unless I'm having a senior moment here that's how I interpreted the quote. Is that not enabling? Supporting an *appearance* for its own sake?

Oh, okay. I see what your saying. Kakax's post:

--snipped--
We all believed it. Now we know (or at least it has been alleged) that Casey was more than just a 1.5 credits shy. They even allowed the grandparents to come to the graduation if you can believe that. Cindy told them that Casey wouldn't be graduating and she swore them to secrecy so no one else in the family would find out. And no one did find out until Caylee went "missing".

The "they" is George and Cindy. George and Cindy allowed Cindy's parents to show up at the graduation knowing Casey was not going to graduate.

jmo

[Katprint]

Did I mis-read kakax's quote? Evidentally it is stated that the school allowed the parents to come to graduation ceremony even though she didn't graduate. Unless I'm having a senior moment here that's how I interpreted the quote. Is that not enabling? Supporting an *appearance* for its own sake?
Here is what I saw:
We know the family likes to cover for Casey. i.e. Even though George and Cindy knew Casey was not graduating, they told no one. When Cindy's parents arrived at the graduation and saw Casey was not in a cap and gown, they asked why. Casey explained she was not graduating. When they returned to the house, Cindy told her parents they were not to tell her brothers Casey did not graduate. The brothers found out four years later.(Chapter 13)
...
This post is in response to Anniekins post about believing that Casey was a 1/2 credit shy in highschool.

We all believed it. Now we know (or at least it has been alleged) that Casey was more than just a 1.5 credits shy. They even allowed the grandparents to come to the graduation if you can believe that. Cindy told them that Casey wouldn't be graduating and she swore them to secrecy so no one else in the family would find out. And no one did find out until Caylee went "missing".
The way I interpreted this was that the school did NOT permit Casey to participate in the school's graduation ceremony.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[summer]

Oh, okay. I see what your saying. Kakax's post:



The "they" is George and Cindy. George and Cindy allowed Cindy's parents to show up at the graduation knowing Casey was not going to graduate.

jmo

Ah thanks. But still how is it that parents or grandparents of a non-graduating person can attend graduation? My point was that Cindy most likely made such a noise that the school allowed the family to attend a bogus graduation.

Oh never mind, I guess I don't really care all that much. :laugh:

[summer]

Here is what I saw:


The way I interpreted this was that Casey was NOT permitted to participate in the school's graduation ceremony.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

So. Wait. The grandparents were there but Casey wasn't? lol. I'm totally confused. :ohmy:

ETA: OK Katprint I just read the rest of your post. I get it. Thanks.

[desmom]

Ah thanks. But still how is it that parents or grandparents of a non-graduating person can attend graduation? My point was that Cindy most likely made such a noise that the school allowed the family to attend a bogus graduation.

Oh never mind, I guess I don't really care all that much. :laugh:

Hmm, all of our high school graduations are open to the public. Is it the same in Orlando, FL? :shrug:

[summer]

I feel like Emily Letilla! Never mind...

Better skedaddle before I stick my foot in it again... :seeya:

[desmom]

I feel like Emily Letilla! Never mind...

Better skedaddle before I stick my foot in it again... :seeya:

Summer, you are fine. Have a good evening. :seeya:

[Ladygator]

Hmm, all of our high school graduations are open to the public. Is it the same in Orlando, FL? :shrug:

Hmm, now that it's been mentioned. Good question. How did Casey and family end up at graduation? Casey didn't 'walk' like Katprint's Brother.

In the Tampa Bay area, 'tickets' are needed. No cost. But it allows the schools to know how many people to expect. And IIRC, it is limited to 4 tickets per graduate. A student can ask for more and they'll be granted if there is room.

[djmsmom]

I feel like Emily Letilla! Never mind...

Better skedaddle before I stick my foot in it again... :seeya:

What's totally enableing Summer is Cindy and George still having the party, pretending she did graduate, collecting gifts, and never making her go to summer school or take her GED. thats enableing and covering up, we see what that leads to.

[Ladygator]

What's totally enableing Summer is Cindy and George still having the party, pretending she did graduate, collecting gifts, and never making her go to summer school or take her GED. thats enableing and covering up, we see what that leads to.

Love how Cindy says Casey was working on her GED when 'all of this happened'.:wink:

[need2no]

The 1/2 credit thing never made sense to me. IIRC George and/or Cindy said the missing '1/2' credit was from casey's English class. English is a full (school year) required major course, not an elective course, and as such she would earn 1 full credit for the year if she completed and passed the course, or in her case she'd be missing one full credit required to graduate.

[need2no]

IMO, you are on the right thread.

Ms. Fanning wrote Casey told her parents it was because the school did not give her credit for an on-line class. The only problem with that story is there were no on line class options at that time.

jmo

Poor casey....she spent all that time on line thinking she was going to earn a credit to graduate. :lol:

[kakax]

Here is what I saw:


The way I interpreted this was that the school did NOT permit Casey to participate in the school's graduation ceremony.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Exactly. They went and that is where they told the grandparents that she wasn't graduating. At least that is how I interpreted it.


Also, I think I can believe what happened in Chapter 20.


ETA.... it sounded like they actually met the grandparents at the ceremony but Casey didn't walk. Instead Casey burst into tears. It is on page 79....


" Although Cindy had invited her parents to the graduation, she didn't bother to to call them and let them in on the new developments. George, Cindy, and Casey went to the ceremony and met Shirley and Alex there. Shirley was puzzled when she saw her granddaughter. "Where are your cap and gown?" she asked.

[kakax]

Oh, okay. I see what your saying. Kakax's post:



The "they" is George and Cindy. George and Cindy allowed Cindy's parents to show up at the graduation knowing Casey was not going to graduate.

jmo

Yup that is exactly what I meant. Sorry for the confusion.

[desmom]

Poor casey....she spent all that time on line thinking she was going to earn a credit to graduate. :lol:

so...according to Casey's classmates, Casey just stopped going to school her senior year. I wonder if she told her parents the school allowed her to work from home. :tonguewag:

If someone is excessively absent, our school districts have truant officers. The school also calls the parents and/or sends letters to the parents. Apparently this didn't happen (or did it).

Can we assume Casey's truancy was after her 18th birthday in March? March would be approximately 1/2 way point of the semester. A 1/2 semester of zeros could lead to 0 graduation credits.

If the school would not show George Casey's transcripts because she was 18 years old, would they contact the parents of a truant 18 year old?

jmo

[kakax]

Love how Cindy says Casey was working on her GED when 'all of this happened'.:wink:



I am so over believing anything that comes out of ANY of their mouths. It's all lies. If they open their mouths again I know just to look in the other direction.

[kakax]

so...according to Casey's classmates, Casey just stopped going to school her senior year. I wonder if she told her parents the school allowed her to work from home. :tonguewag:

If someone is excessively absent, our school districts have truant officers. The school also calls the parents and/or sends letters to the parents. Apparently this didn't happen (or did it).

Can we assume Casey's truancy was after her 18th birthday in March? March would be approximately 1/2 way point of the semester. A 1/2 semester of zeros could lead to 0 graduation credits.

If the school would not show George Casey's transcripts because she was 18 years old, would they contact the parents of a truant 18 year old?

jmo


Hmmm...I don't know the truancy laws of Florida. In some states, you can drop out at 16 and they can't make you go. Or maybe I am remembering that wrong.

[Ladygator]

so...according to Casey's classmates, Casey just stopped going to school her senior year. I wonder if she told her parents the school allowed her to work from home. :tonguewag:

If someone is excessively absent, our school districts have truant officers. The school also calls the parents and/or sends letters to the parents. Apparently this didn't happen (or did it).

Can we assume Casey's truancy was after her 18th birthday in March?


March would be approximately 1/2 way point of the semester. A 1/2 semester of zeros could lead to 0 graduation credits.

If the school would not show George Casey's transcripts because she was 18 years old, would they contact the parents of a truant 18 year old?

jmo


BBM

And she wouldn't loose her drivers license for not being in school after her 18th Birthday.

I don't know how parental access to school information works once a minor gets to adulthood. My Son graduated at the age of 17.

You may be spot on, Des.

[Ladygator]

Hmmm...I don't know the truancy laws of Florida. In some states, you can drop out at 16 and they can't make you go. Or maybe I am remembering that wrong.

A teenager cannot keep a drivers license in Florida if they drop out of school. So many days missed, license is yanked.

[need2no]

so...according to Casey's classmates, Casey just stopped going to school her senior year. I wonder if she told her parents the school allowed her to work from home. :tonguewag:

If someone is excessively absent, our school districts have truant officers. The school also calls the parents and/or sends letters to the parents. Apparently this didn't happen (or did it).

Can we assume Casey's truancy was after her 18th birthday in March? March would be approximately 1/2 way point of the semester. A 1/2 semester of zeros could lead to 0 graduation credits.

If the school would not show George Casey's transcripts because she was 18 years old, would they contact the parents of a truant 18 year old?

jmo

Maybe casey was home schooling herself, lol. Did George and Cindy not notice she wasn't leaving in the morning to head to school, or did she leave and just hang out somewhere during school hours.

That's interesting des. I never thought about kids who turn 18 while still in school and them possibly not having to answer to their parents regarding school attendance or grades. My youngest, a junior, who just turned 17 will still be in school when he turns 18, thank God he is a good kid who actually likes school.

Our school calls with an automated message whenever your child is out of school or misses the entire first period. We also can look up this kind of information and a whole lot more (like grades) on line. Additionally all schools have absences and tardies noted on the interims and report cards....how could George and Cindy NOT know casey wasn't attending?

[kakax]

I didn't realize Casey called Jesse first to come get her in the Amscot parking lot.

What was she going to do...get Jesse to take her to Tone's? She had groceries like popsicles that would melt didn't she?

[Deannalynn]

so...according to Casey's classmates, Casey just stopped going to school her senior year. I wonder if she told her parents the school allowed her to work from home. :tonguewag:

If someone is excessively absent, our school districts have truant officers. The school also calls the parents and/or sends letters to the parents. Apparently this didn't happen (or did it).

Can we assume Casey's truancy was after her 18th birthday in March? March would be approximately 1/2 way point of the semester. A 1/2 semester of zeros could lead to 0 graduation credits.

If the school would not show George Casey's transcripts because she was 18 years old, would they contact the parents of a truant 18 year old?

jmo

:biggrinjester: Good catch, des.

[kakax]

Maybe casey was home schooling herself, lol. Did George and Cindy not notice she wasn't leaving in the morning to head to school, or did she leave and just hang out somewhere during school hours.

That's interesting des. I never thought about kids who turn 18 while still in school and them possibly not having to answer to their parents regarding school attendance or grades. My youngest, a junior, who just turned 17 will still be in school when he turns 18, thank God he is a good kid who actually likes school.

Our school calls with an automated message whenever your child is out of school or misses the entire first period. We also can look up this kind of information and a whole lot more (like grades) on line. Additionally all schools have absences and tardies noted on the interims and report cards....how could George and Cindy NOT know casey wasn't attending?


My kids are in private school so some of the online stuff is new to us. One of my children has a system that you can see tardies. The other school doesn't have a system where you can see tardies...just their homework for the week.

Maybe they didn't have the online option and just sent notices home in the mail. It has been about 5 years since she has been school hasn't it?

[kakax]

A teenager cannot keep a drivers license in Florida if they drop out of school. So many days missed, license is yanked.

What a great law!

[desmom]

A teenager cannot keep a drivers license in Florida if they drop out of school. So many days missed, license is yanked.

I was just reading: http://www.fldoe.org/faq/default.asp?Dept=107&ID=510#Q510

9. How are schools using the driver license/school attendance program to encourage attendance?
Florida law (Section 1003.27, Florida Statutes) requires each school principal or designee to notify the district school board of each minor student accumulating 15 unexcused absences in a period of 90 calendar days or who drop out of school. The district school superintendent must provide the names and identifying information of these students to the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles (DHSMV). DHSMV may not issue a driver license or learner permit, or may suspend the driving privileges of any reported student until the student has satisfied regular school attendance requirements as outlined in Section 322.091, Florida Statutes.

Maybe Casey waited till after her 18th birthday to skip school so she would not have her license suspended.

:shrug:

[Ladygator]

I was just reading: http://www.fldoe.org/faq/default.asp?Dept=107&ID=510#Q510

9. How are schools using the driver license/school attendance program to encourage attendance?
Florida law (Section 1003.27, Florida Statutes) requires each school principal or designee to notify the district school board of each minor student accumulating 15 unexcused absences in a period of 90 calendar days or who drop out of school. The district school superintendent must provide the names and identifying information of these students to the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles (DHSMV). DHSMV may not issue a driver license or learner permit, or may suspend the driving privileges of any reported student until the student has satisfied regular school attendance requirements as outlined in Section 322.091, Florida Statutes.

Maybe Casey waited till after her 18th birthday to skip school so she would not have her license suspended.

:shrug:

I have a feeling Casey skated out on classes prior to her Senior year. She just kept track to make sure her parents didn't get any 'red flags' and her license wasn't revoked. {A revoked license would have came to her parents attention since it's their car and their insurance}

Once she turned 18, she felt she could do what she wanted to do. Nobody could make her go to school.

[need2no]

What a great law!


At least 16 other states have laws requiring students to stay in school or maintain a certain grade point average to earn or keep their driver's license, according to the Education Commission of the States. Those states are: Arkansas, California, Florida, Illinois, Indiana, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, New Hampshire, Ohio, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, West Virginia and Wisconsin.

http://www.stateline.org/live/ViewPage.action?siteNodeId=136&languageId=1&contentId=15743

[desmom]

Chapter 27 has text messages between Casey and Tone
(also found on page 42 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2811058/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Released-Nov-26-007 )

I wonder if Casey picked up on what Tone said in his message time stamped 6:57 a.m.

Y wouldn't u tell me of all people I was ur boyfriend that cares about you and ur daughter......

[need2no]

My kids are in private school so some of the online stuff is new to us. One of my children has a system that you can see tardies. The other school doesn't have a system where you can see tardies...just their homework for the week.

Maybe they didn't have the online option and just sent notices home in the mail. It has been about 5 years since she has been school hasn't it?

But don't all of the schools your children attend show the absences and tardies on their report cards?

Maybe casey's school didn't have the online info, but the No Child Left Behind Act was put in effect in 2001, so I would have expected all schools to make certain parents were notified of truancies, other than just by putting a letter in the mail. Schools are well aware of kids highjacking the mail they don't want their parents to see. If casey was not going at all, or missing a lot of days in the second semester of her senior year, I can't believe the Anthony's were not advised of this, unless the law prevents the school from doing so after a child turns 18. IMO that law needs to be changed if the student resides at home.

[kakax]

My Niece had a seizure about two years ago. The first of many over the course of a couple of scary months until enough tests and Dr appointments were over and she was diagnosed as being epileptic. In between these tests she was not to be left alone for any reason. DH and I even teen sat her a couple of times, lol. She couldn't drive either.

On that first night when she was transported by ambulance to the ER, the Dr. asked about drug and alcohol abuse because of her being a teen who didn't have a history of seizures. He ordered drug and alcohol testing. She was clean!

Wow! I know that my mom had one about ten years ago. They kept her in the hospital for almost a week running tests. She was extremely scared that they would take her license. She hasn't had one since and it was never explained.

[kakax]

But don't all of the schools your children attend show the absences and tardies on their report cards?

Maybe casey's school didn't have the online info, but the No Child Left Behind Act was put in effect in 2001, so I would have expected all schools to make certain parents were notified of truancies, other than just by putting a letter in the mail. Schools are well aware of kids highjacking the mail they don't want their parents to see. If casey was not going at all, or missing a lot of days in the second semester of her senior year, I can't believe the Anthony's were not advised of this, unless the law prevents the school from doing so after a child turns 18. IMO that law needs to be changed if the student resides at home.

Yes, they do have tardies and absences on report cards. Didn't think about that. Even on their midterm grades. And we have to sign those report cards and the school sends out an email saying they are going home.

I agree about the law being changed if they live at home. I can't imagine not having access to my child's transcripts. Even in college my parents expected to see my progress...they were also paying for it. I guess there is a case to be made if you are paying for your child's education, you should be able to have access to the reports even if they are over 18. It just wouldn't have flown in my house if my parents hadn't seen my report cards.

[kakax]

Chapter 27 has text messages between Casey and Tone
(also found on page 42 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2811058/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Released-Nov-26-007 )

I wonder if Casey picked up on what Tone said in his message time stamped 6:57 a.m.

Y wouldn't u tell me of all people I was ur boyfriend that cares about you and ur daughter......

I didn't pick up on it, Des! Good catch!

[kakax]

At least 16 other states have laws requiring students to stay in school or maintain a certain grade point average to earn or keep their driver's license, according to the Education Commission of the States. Those states are: Arkansas, California, Florida, Illinois, Indiana, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, New Hampshire, Ohio, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, West Virginia and Wisconsin.

http://www.stateline.org/live/ViewPage.action?siteNodeId=136&languageId=1&contentId=15743

We need that law here in GA! Great incentive for kids to stay in school or even have the grades associated with them. If you fail a class you lose your license.


ETA....I may be going a bit far with the failing of a class.... lol

[Ladygator]

But don't all of the schools your children attend show the absences and tardies on their report cards?

Maybe casey's school didn't have the online info, but the No Child Left Behind Act was put in effect in 2001, so I would have expected all schools to make certain parents were notified of truancies, other than just by putting a letter in the mail. Schools are well aware of kids highjacking the mail they don't want their parents to see. If casey was not going at all, or missing a lot of days in the second semester of her senior year, I can't believe the Anthony's were not advised of this, unless the law prevents the school from doing so after a child turns 18. IMO that law needs to be changed if the student resides at home.

With Casey's history, I wouldn't be surprised if she listed her own cell number as her "Mom' on the emergency contact form that is filled out at the beginning of every school year.

I can also see her, sitting behind her computer, pulling up her grades and school information for her Mom, only, it wasn't her 'record' she was pulling up.

Casey is sneaky. Where there is a will she'll find a way. IMO

[Ladygator]

Wow! I know that my mom had one about ten years ago. They kept her in the hospital for almost a week running tests. She was extremely scared that they would take her license. She hasn't had one since and it was never explained.

That's weird that it couldn't be explained. Glad she's been safe since then.

With my Niece, she was up all night playing Guitar Hero. Went to sleep. Limited hours of sleep. Woke up, got up, and started seizing. Thankfully, her Mom, who at the time was a Fire dispatcher, training for EMT, was there.

Your Mom's seizure is proof that a seizure can happen for no apparent reason. But I still don't believe the Anthony's, lmao.

[kakax]

That's weird that it couldn't be explained. Glad she's been safe since then.

With my Niece, she was up all night playing Guitar Hero. Went to sleep. Limited hours of sleep. Woke up, got up, and started seizing. Thankfully, her Mom, who at the time was a Fire dispatcher, training for EMT, was there.

Your Mom's seizure is proof that a seizure can happen for no apparent reason. But I still don't believe the Anthony's, lmao.

I don't believe them either. The story about the alcohol makes much more sense. Especially since Jesse apparently told Diane that she had been drinking heavily.

[kakax]

Back to reading...only on chapter 23. Had to let chapter 20 sink in a little bit before going back to it LOL

[LadyHam]

We know the family likes to cover for Casey. i.e. Even though George and Cindy knew Casey was not graduating, they told no one. When Cindy's parents arrived at the graduation and saw Casey was not in a cap and gown, they asked why. Casey explained she was not graduating. When they returned to the house, Cindy told her parents they were not to tell her brothers Casey did not graduate. The brothers found out four years later.(Chapter 13)

Remember Casey's seizure. IIRC, Cindy said the hospital ran all types of test and everything was fine. Cindy blamed it on energy drinks. Diane Fanning suggests Alcohol Poisoning in Chapter 17.

page 49 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2817323/Caylee-Anthony-Case-November-26th-2008-Documents

When asked, Jesse told us of an incident that occurred on Sunday, November 18, 2007 in which Casey appeared to be having a seizure. Jesse told us that the Saturday before, they had all gone out. Casey got very drunk and spent the night at Jesse's apartment. The following morning, on the 18th, Casey left the apartment and returned a short while later. Jesse believes she went home. They fell asleep on the couch watching football.

page 10 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Grund,%20Jesse.03.090808.pdf
JG: ..And from my limited first aide experience it, it looked like a grand mal seizure to me. So I moved a table out of the way, turned her on her side. Her lips turned slightly blue.

George and Cindy have said Casey did not drink much, maybe a drink or two. Witness statements and photos say otherwise. Blaming Casey's seizure on energy drinks and stating Casey did not drink much would discredit A.P. was the cause of Casey's seizure.

Seizures and bluish skin color are symptoms of alcohol poisoning. http://www.collegedrinkingprevention.gov/OtherAlcoholInformation/factsAboutAlcoholPoisoning.aspx#CriticalSigns

jmo

Bolding by me.....

Also, in Chapter 17 on page 106 it states that if ignored, alcohol poisoning can lead to irreversible brain damage. I wonder if the defense is aware of this little episode of Casey's and have tucked it away for future reference in case they decide to go w/a diminished capacity defense?

[need2no]

We need that law here in GA! Great incentive for kids to stay in school or even have the grades associated with them. If you fail a class you lose your license.


ETA....I may be going a bit far with the failing of a class.... lol


My son lives and breathes baseball and his school requires a 'C' or above on all subjects to remain on the team. Same thing with all sports including cheerleading.

We also get a $250 break on his auto insurance as long as he maintains a 'B' average.

GREAT incentives!

Of course I doubt if either one of these incentives would have fazed casey. Maybe she spent her days away from school trying to figure out how to scam people, and make money without working.

[AnnieKins]

This post is in response to Anniekins post about believing that Casey was a 1/2 credit shy in highschool.





We all believed it. Now we know (or at least it has been alleged) that Casey was more than just a 1.5 credits shy. They even allowed the grandparents to come to the graduation if you can believe that. Cindy told them that Casey wouldn't be graduating and she swore them to secrecy so no one else in the family would find out. And no one did find out until Caylee went "missing".

Mindboggling that they would invite the grandparents when she wasn't getting a diploma! What the heck goes on in these people's heads?! :scared:

[LadyHam]

Wow. What possible right would these parents have to attend a graduation when their daughter didn't graduate? What kind of a crazy thing is that? If true then another example of the Anthonys stomping their feet and bullying their way around the system just to shut them up. I guess it didn't matter if Casey didn't graduate as long as they got to *pretend* she did. And the school enabled. Ridiculous.

Diane Fanning talks about this in Chapter 13, specifically on page 79. It sounds like Cindy's parents met them at the high school and then they were told by Casey that she would not be walking across the stage w/her class. The way I interpreted it is that they then left and went back to the Anthony family home and were sworn to secrecy from telling the rest of the family at the party that was to take place later that day. I don't think Casey participated in the ceremony or that any of them even went in to watch the ceremony, given the fact that Casey really wasn't graduating.

[Ladygator]

Bolding by me.....

Also, in Chapter 17 on page 106 it states that if ignored, alcohol poisoning can lead to irreversible brain damage. I wonder if the defense is aware of this little episode of Casey's and have tucked it away for future reference in case they decide to go w/a diminished capacity defense?

:laugh: I can see it now. Defense presents Casey's hospital record. It shows she was tanked on alcohol. And Cindy saying that it is wrong. Not her Daughter. She doesn't drink. She's only been drunk one or two times. The FIRST time, was on her 21st {legal} Birthday.:wink:

[kakax]

Just out of curiousity....does Diane Fanning talk about Mark Hawkins in this book?

[LadyHam]

Chapter 27 has text messages between Casey and Tone
(also found on page 42 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2811058/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Released-Nov-26-007 )

I wonder if Casey picked up on what Tone said in his message time stamped 6:57 a.m.

Y wouldn't u tell me of all people I was ur boyfriend that cares about you and ur daughter......

I'm sure that went right over her head.:rolleyes:

I also like where TonE texts Casey and says "Oh and why are u texting and not calling?" It doesn't appear that Casey answered that.:rolleyes:

[kakax]

My son lives and breathes baseball and his school requires a 'C' or above on all subjects to remain on the team. Same thing with all sports including cheerleading.

We also get a $250 break on his auto insurance as long as he maintains a 'B' average.

GREAT incentives!

Of course I doubt if either one of these incentives would have fazed casey. Maybe she spent her days away from school trying to figure out how to scam people, and make money without working.


I'm sure you are right. These kind of incentives would't have meant diddly squat to Casey.

[kakax]

Mindboggling that they would invite the grandparents when she wasn't getting a diploma! What the heck goes on in these people's heads?! :scared:

Very cruel to make the grandparents drive all the way to Orlando, to the graduation ceremony, then say "oops...Casey isn't graduation. And BTW, don't tell anyone."

[LadyHam]

Just out of curiousity....does Diane Fanning talk about Mark Hawkins in this book?

I am on Chapter 28 and I haven't heard her mention him yet. Since this is based a large part on the document releases, I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't mentioned at all since his interview w/LE has still not been released via the sunshine laws.

[kakax]

I am on Chapter 28 and I haven't heard her mention him yet. Since this is based a large part on the document releases, I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't mentioned at all since his interview w/LE has still not been released via the sunshine laws.

I guess you are right....just wish we would have SOME information him. I'm nosey like that.:laugh:

[Ladygator]

Very cruel to make the grandparents drive all the way to Orlando, to the graduation ceremony, then say "oops...Casey isn't graduation. And BTW, don't tell anyone."

Casey could have waited till the very last moment to tell her parents. Just like, leading LE to Universal and going as far as she could go before having to admit she didn't work there. Or putting Caylee on an imaginary trip with the imaginary Nanny until that would no longer work with her Mom and she had to admit she didn't have Caylee.

If it didn't happen like this, yes, it was very cruel for Cindy to have her elderly and sickly parents drive over for nothing.

[kakax]

I need to go look at Hinky's time line again. I know there were several of these days that Casey bought either one or two tickets at the movie theater. I would like to put those in the margins of this book so I know when those happened. I bet they were on days she didn't have anything else to do and she needed a place to be.

[kakax]

Casey could have waited till the very last moment to tell her parents. Just like, leading LE to Universal and going as far as she could go before having to admit she didn't work there. Or putting Caylee on an imaginary trip with the imaginary Nanny until that would no longer work with her Mom and she had to admit she didn't have Caylee.

If it didn't happen like this, yes, it was very cruel for Cindy to have her elderly and sickly parents drive over for nothing.


In the book, Diane says that they were told 3 days before graduation. I think it was more like 2. You could be right though. It would certainly not surprise me if it was a situation like the Universal one.

[kakax]

Hmmm... wonder where she got the information that George wanted to call the police after they got the car back from the impound lot? It is in Chapter 26 p. 163. That's the first I have heard that.

[Katprint]

Casey could have waited till the very last moment to tell her parents. Just like, leading LE to Universal and going as far as she could go before having to admit she didn't work there. Or putting Caylee on an imaginary trip with the imaginary Nanny until that would no longer work with her Mom and she had to admit she didn't have Caylee.

If it didn't happen like this, yes, it was very cruel for Cindy to have her elderly and sickly parents drive over for nothing.

I recall Lee describing it happening pretty much like that i.e. Casey told her parents shortly before her graduation party that she wouldn't be graduating, but thanks for the party.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Ladygator]

In the book, Diane says that they were told 3 days before graduation. I think it was more like 2. You could be right though. It would certainly not surprise me if it was a situation like the Universal one.

Ah, okay. 2-3 days notice. That was so nice of Casey, lol.

No matter when Cindy found out, she wanted to portray her family as 'perfect' as long as she could. Even if it meant keeping her Mom outta the loop.

The apple doesn't fall far and all that jazz. Cindy? Waiting till the last moment? {faint}

[kakax]

Ah, okay. 2-3 days notice. That was so nice of Casey, lol.

No matter when Cindy found out, she wanted to portray her family as 'perfect' as long as she could. Even if it meant keeping her Mom outta the loop.

The apple doesn't fall far and all that jazz. Cindy? Waiting till the last moment? {faint}

It sure doesn't. They just don't seem to get that it made them look worse. They didn't get it then and they don't get it now.

[Katprint]

It sure doesn't. They just don't seem to get that it made them look worse. They didn't get it then and they don't get it now.
At this point I find myself automatically assuming the worst about them, because they seem to behave as badly as humanly possible. I wonder, for instance, whether the reason Cindy didn't want her parents to tell her brothers about Casey not graduating was because Casey had received nice graduation presents - like generous sums of money for college - from Cindy's brothers and Cindy didn't want to have to give the gifts back. The greed motive seems MUCH more likely than merely feeling embarrassed or ashamed because as far as I can tell, Cindy and Casey are both utterly shameless.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[kakax]

At this point I find myself automatically assuming the worst about them, because they seem to behave as badly as humanly possible. I wonder, for instance, whether the reason Cindy didn't want her parents to tell her brothers about Casey not graduating was because Casey had received nice graduation presents - like generous sums of money for college - from Cindy's brothers and Cindy didn't want to have to give the gifts back. The greed motive seems MUCH more likely than merely feeling embarrassed or ashamed because as far as I can tell, Cindy and Casey are both utterly shameless.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions


I'm thinking it was probably a little bit of both. Good point about having to return monetary gifts. And no, neither were shameful about much. Cindy didn't have a problem telling Casey's friends she was a thief and sociopath. You would think she wouldn't have had a problem with telling her family that Casey didn't graduate. But I still think in the back of Cindy's mind, she wanted her brothers to think she had the perfect children.

[Anakerie]

I'm thinking it was probably a little bit of both. Good point about having to return monetary gifts. And no, neither were shameful about much. Cindy didn't have a problem telling Casey's friends she was a thief and sociopath. You would think she wouldn't have had a problem with telling her family that Casey didn't graduate. But I still think in the back of Cindy's mind, she wanted her brothers to think she had the perfect children.
I agree with the line I bolded! After all, Cindy was the "princess" in her family and how could she explain that the "princess" had a less than perfect daughter. That's not allowed, is it? I believe that for Cindy, appearances are everything. Even if her idea of a "perfect" appearance isn't exactly.. Uhm.. Perfect?

[crimeq]

Wow! I know that my mom had one about ten years ago. They kept her in the hospital for almost a week running tests. She was extremely scared that they would take her license. She hasn't had one since and it was never explained.

My BF had a seizure a couple of years ago--at the dinner table, one minute he was fine, next minute eyes rolling back in his head and foam at his mouth and shaking--I called 911 and they sent an ambulance. They kept him in the hospital for 5 days, running every test imaginable. Finally they determined it was a reaction to a new prescription that had been given to him. He never had a problem with seizures previous to that; has never had once since. It's very scary to watch, and was very scary for him to go through.

I'm betting that Casey's seizure was from alcohol poisoning--the symptoms certainly sound right. (For those who followed Natalee Holloway, one point of speculation is that she seized from AP when on the beach with Joran, and that led to him thinking she was dead and taking her out in a boat and dumping her overboard. Ugh. I don't like to think of that sad case again.)

AP is very dangerous--often fatal--and there are lots of kids who die every year on college campuses from AP.

[crimeq]

Diane Fanning talks about this in Chapter 13, specifically on page 79. It sounds like Cindy's parents met them at the high school and then they were told by Casey that she would not be walking across the stage w/her class. The way I interpreted it is that they then left and went back to the Anthony family home and were sworn to secrecy from telling the rest of the family at the party that was to take place later that day. I don't think Casey participated in the ceremony or that any of them even went in to watch the ceremony, given the fact that Casey really wasn't graduating.

Just like walking all the way to the end of the hall at Universal with the detectives -- right down to the wire -- then she fesses up.

She went to the school, with Cindy and George? to meet the grandparents? and then turned around, left, went back to the Anthonys' house for her party? Yikes. I don't get this family (thank god).

[crimeq]

I'm sure that went right over her head.:rolleyes:

I also like where TonE texts Casey and says "Oh and why are u texting and not calling?" It doesn't appear that Casey answered that.:rolleyes:

Hmmm, sounds like his hinky meter was already up; he was on to her.

[AnnieKins]

Very cruel to make the grandparents drive all the way to Orlando, to the graduation ceremony, then say "oops...Casey isn't graduation. And BTW, don't tell anyone."

ITA Kakax. And especially since the old grampa isn't in the best of health, and it had to have been a trying adventure for them at best.

[AnnieKins]

I guess you are right....just wish we would have SOME information him. I'm nosey like that.:laugh:

Ain't we ALL! :rolleyes:

[desmom]

Hmmm... wonder where she got the information that George wanted to call the police after they got the car back from the impound lot? It is in Chapter 26 p. 163. That's the first I have heard that.

At the beginning of "The Crime" section, chapter 20, Ms. Fanning wrote this is what might have happened based on the author's analysis of the document dumps and the time lines are estimates.

[alisa31235]

Just like walking all the way to the end of the hall at Universal with the detectives -- right down to the wire -- then she fesses up.

She went to the school, with Cindy and George? to meet the grandparents? and then turned around, left, went back to the Anthonys' house for her party? Yikes. I don't get this family (thank god).

That is just wrong to do her family that way.How can Cindy and George defend her actions? I just do not understand these people IMO

[desmom]

That is just wrong to do her family that way.How can Cindy and George defend her actions? I just do not understand these people IMO

That house had to be in constant turmoil because of Casey's antics. From some of the family's statements, they tiptoed around Casey.

George and Cindy allowing the graduation party to go on even though Casey did not graduate, ignoring Casey's thievery from family and friends, maxing out Cindy's credit cards etc only encouraged Casey's behavior.

Whatever happened to "my house, my rules" and "I brought you into this world and I can take you out"? :tonguewag:

jmo

[alisa31235]

That house had to be in constant turmoil because of Casey's antics. From some of the family's statements, they tiptoed around Casey.

George and Cindy allowing the graduation party to go on even though Casey did not graduate, ignoring Casey's thievery from family and friends, maxing out Cindy's credit cards etc only encouraged Casey's behavior.

Whatever happened to "my house, my rules" and "I brought you into this world and I can take you out"? :tonguewag:

jmo

As always Desmon very well said. Cindy and George created the way Casey behaves by just ignoring her and IMO that is bad parenting.

[Jeepers]

I am convinced that Casey did murder Caylee premeditated. I am not convinced she made the chloroform. I don't know why I debunk that theory and not everything else.
Casey entertained the thoughts of Caylee's demise for a long time I believe. I believe that whatever drove Casey over the dge to actually commit the murder she did without thinking twice.

I just don't see Casey taking the time and the risk of making homemade chloroform.
Is it because I think she is lazy. Yes, and She is not smart. I would think she would be afraid to actually make it because it might would have overcame her before she was able to use it on Caylee. Where did she make it at home? What containers did she use and where are they? Are the soft drink bottles in woods really part of the crime scene. Did they contain residue of chloroform? I have too many questions about the chloroform making.

[powerball]

Maybe casey was home schooling herself, lol. Did George and Cindy not notice she wasn't leaving in the morning to head to school, or did she leave and just hang out somewhere during school hours.

That's interesting des. I never thought about kids who turn 18 while still in school and them possibly not having to answer to their parents regarding school attendance or grades. My youngest, a junior, who just turned 17 will still be in school when he turns 18, thank God he is a good kid who actually likes school.

Our school calls with an automated message whenever your child is out of school or misses the entire first period. We also can look up this kind of information and a whole lot more (like grades) on line. Additionally all schools have absences and tardies noted on the interims and report cards....how could George and Cindy NOT know casey wasn't attending?

I know I havent read the book yet. A few of us are sharing and it is not my turn :angry:. My son went to the same school Casey did and was 18 his senior year. I still received the child is out sick call everyday (he was out for pulled wisdom teeth)

[Duke]

I am convinced that Casey did murder Caylee premeditated. I am not convinced she made the chloroform. I don't know why I debunk that theory and not everything else.
Casey entertained the thoughts of Caylee's demise for a long time I believe. I believe that whatever drove Casey over the dge to actually commit the murder she did without thinking twice.

I just don't see Casey taking the time and the risk of making homemade chloroform.
Is it because I think she is lazy. Yes, and She is not smart. I would think she would be afraid to actually make it because it might would have overcame her before she was able to use it on Caylee. Where did she make it at home? What containers did she use and where are they? Are the soft drink bottles in woods really part of the crime scene. Did they contain residue of chloroform? I have too many questions about the chloroform making.


I agree. You have a great point. KC has many qualities (texting, and her ability to lie) BUT, I do not think she was that smart to make a potion. I think she just nuts.

[Lavinya]

I am convinced that Casey did murder Caylee premeditated. I am not convinced she made the chloroform. I don't know why I debunk that theory and not everything else.
Casey entertained the thoughts of Caylee's demise for a long time I believe. I believe that whatever drove Casey over the dge to actually commit the murder she did without thinking twice.

I just don't see Casey taking the time and the risk of making homemade chloroform.
Is it because I think she is lazy. Yes, and She is not smart. I would think she would be afraid to actually make it because it might would have overcame her before she was able to use it on Caylee. Where did she make it at home? What containers did she use and where are they? Are the soft drink bottles in woods really part of the crime scene. Did they contain residue of chloroform? I have too many questions about the chloroform making.

Move over Jeepers; chloroform is the one part of this case I don't buy with what we know at this point.

[Duke]

That is what is so weird with this case. The DE-fence is going to spin as they can. I believe the "girl" will go down because of her actions but it WILL be a wild ride during the trial.

[LadyHam]

I am convinced that Casey did murder Caylee premeditated. I am not convinced she made the chloroform. I don't know why I debunk that theory and not everything else.
Casey entertained the thoughts of Caylee's demise for a long time I believe. I believe that whatever drove Casey over the dge to actually commit the murder she did without thinking twice.

I just don't see Casey taking the time and the risk of making homemade chloroform.
Is it because I think she is lazy. Yes, and She is not smart. I would think she would be afraid to actually make it because it might would have overcame her before she was able to use it on Caylee. Where did she make it at home? What containers did she use and where are they? Are the soft drink bottles in woods really part of the crime scene. Did they contain residue of chloroform? I have too many questions about the chloroform making.

I totally agree w/you about the chloroform. I am not convinced that it was used in Caylee's murder. I think if it was used that there would be traces of it around the house or in containers, unless like you said, they were thrown away in the woods. Casey might have thought about using chloroform, but I don't know if she actually went through w/it. I am still not sure exactly when and where Caylee was murdered. I wonder what kind of theory the prosecution has?

[minimarshm]

I didn't realize Casey called Jesse first to come get her in the Amscot parking lot.

What was she going to do...get Jesse to take her to Tone's? She had groceries like popsicles that would melt didn't she?


maybe she wanted to get some fresh prints from Jesse in and on the car?

[Jeepers]

Move over Jeepers; chloroform is the one part of this case I don't buy with what we know at this point.

The state will really have to explain their theory of the use of chloroform if they are going to bring that evidense up at all. I understand that high levels of the chemical was found in the trunk of the car I can't explain how it got there. If going by the book's theory Casey killed Caylee at home.
If she just gave her the chloroform (fumes)to knock her out then taped her and wrapped her in the blanket and bags I don't see how the levels were detected in the trunk. In my Not so scientific mind
I don't see how it would have leaked there was nothing to leak (fumes)
But if cindy was cleaning the trunk say with a combination of cleaning products maybe that gave off certain testing value that denoted chloroform. What do I know. That is why I bought the book to see what Ms. Fanning had to say about the choloroform.


:confused:

[Jeepers]

The state will really have to explain their theory of the use of chloroform if they are going to bring that evidense up at all. I understand that high levels of the chemical was found in the trunk of the car I can't explain how it got there. If going by the book's theory Casey killed Caylee at home.
If she just gave her the chloroform (fumes)to knock her out then taped her and wrapped her in the blanket and bags I don't see how the levels were detected in the trunk. In my Not so scientific mind
I don't see how it would have leaked there was nothing to leak (fumes)
But if cindy was cleaning the trunk say with a combination of cleaning products maybe that gave off certain testing value that denoted chloroform. What do I know. That is why I bought the book to see what Ms. Fanning had to say about the choloroform.


:confused:


Quoting my quote:
http://www.healthy-communications.com/perfumedangers97.htm

Cindy put fabric softener sheets in the trunk. Read the link above and do a word find on chloroform. Just many of the examples common products that can produce chloroform.

I am beating this horse to death!

[denjet]

Very cruel to make the grandparents drive all the way to Orlando, to the graduation ceremony, then say "oops...Casey isn't graduation. And BTW, don't tell anyone."

ITA kakax ... How could Cindy do that to her parents ??? A phone call and a heads up would have been nice, you know give her parents a chance to process it and get over their shock !! But no, Cindy wanted them to be a part of the charade and was only thinking of herself and her image of her family ... what a piece of work !! Is it surprising that KC is as screwed up as she is ? :cursing:

I know if my daughter pulled that at my granddaughter's graduation, I would have flipped out and left immediately !! It would have taken me a long time to even talk to her again !! And, I would be more angry at my daughter than my granddaughter !!

I mean who does that ?? My own daughter decided when she turned 18 in her senior year that she didn't have to do anything she didn't want to anymore, including attending classes she didn't like ... I knew months ahead of graduation that she wasn't graduating ... she gave me some lame excuse about not turning in an English report and missing some gym classes ... so at that point she stopped going to school all together and got an apartment with her friends ... I've never forgiven her and she's 34 now ... even though she's apologized many times over ... she did however, get her GED the following year ...

My point is that I did NOT attend the ceremony and pretend nothing was wrong ... I informed my family and did NOT have a graduation celebration ... That's what normal folk do !!

[kakax]

maybe she wanted to get some fresh prints from Jesse in and on the car?


Oh MM...very devious...:sneaky: Very well could have been.

[desmom]

Quoting my quote:
http://www.healthy-communications.com/perfumedangers97.htm

Cindy put fabric softener sheets in the trunk. Read the link above and do a word find on chloroform. Just many of the examples common products that can produce chloroform.

I am beating this horse to death!


Thanks for the link.

I do not put a lot of weight on the chloroform evidence either.

[desmom]

Several things I picked up on in George and Cindy's visit with Casey in Chapter 34.

Cindy asked Casey if she was protecting someone and Casey said, "I'm protecting my family, yes, but not from anything I've done."

Cindy asked, "is someone threatening us" and Casey said, "Mom, just leave it at that please. For right now, just leave it at that."

Casey said she is protecting her family. Protecting them from what? The pain and heartache that Caylee is dead?

Casey did not say someone was threatening the family. The Anthonys telling the media Casey was not talking because of threats she had received against her family was another Anthonyism for the media...an explanation for all of Casey's lies maybe?

jmo

[Jeepers]

Page 168
Conversation with Tony
Tony asking the hard questions and all Casey does is try to garner sympathy from him

Tony asks: Where is Caylee
Casey: I don't know
The conversation continues
Tony tells Casey he will do whatever he can to help LE and her parents
Casey then starts the whoa is me!
I was put in handcuffs etc.
Tony does not even respond to that, he immediatley ask who is Zani?
He ask her if she is at home she answers yes
Then goes immediatley back to her "its all about me"
She says finally getting a shower
Tony fires back, Where did you drop Caylee last time you saw her
Casey goes with the Sawgrass story
Tony will be an interesting witness. I don't think all of his statements have been released.
jmo

[SC7501]

Have finished the book now and thought it was pretty good overall. I was surprised that she left out George's first interview with the police on July 24, 2008, the one where he got sick at the end. -- Also, if her theory of the murder is right, how did the hair showing decomposition get in the trunk? Am I missing something there?

[openminded]

Several things I picked up on in George and Cindy's visit with Casey in Chapter 34.

Cindy asked Casey if she was protecting someone and Casey said, "I'm protecting my family, yes, but not from anything I've done."

Cindy asked, "is someone threatening us" and Casey said, "Mom, just leave it at that please. For right now, just leave it at that."

Casey said she is protecting her family. Protecting them from what? The pain and heartache that Caylee is dead?

Casey did not say someone was threatening the family. The Anthonys telling the media Casey was not talking because of threats she had received against her family was another Anthonyism for the media...an explanation for all of Casey's lies maybe?

jmo

I haven't gotten that far in the book yet but I think that Casey often ran with the suggestions of others (in this case, Cindy).

With Caylee obviously dead, the reasoning for Cindy, George and Lee to believe Caylee is still alive (as all three of them indicated in their depositions) is that Casey is still protecting the family by refusing to say anything.

That's their story anyway (not that I believe a word of it and I seriously doubt that they do either).

[BettyC]

Have finished the book now and thought it was pretty good overall. I was surprised that she left out George's first interview with the police on July 24, 2008, the one where he got sick at the end. -- Also, if her theory of the murder is right, how did the hair showing decomposition get in the trunk? Am I missing something there?

I am exceptionally slow in reading the book but I thought I did read about that incident SC.

[LadyHam]

Several things I picked up on in George and Cindy's visit with Casey in Chapter 34.

Cindy asked Casey if she was protecting someone and Casey said, "I'm protecting my family, yes, but not from anything I've done."

Cindy asked, "is someone threatening us" and Casey said, "Mom, just leave it at that please. For right now, just leave it at that."

Casey said she is protecting her family. Protecting them from what? The pain and heartache that Caylee is dead?

Casey did not say someone was threatening the family. The Anthonys telling the media Casey was not talking because of threats she had received against her family was another Anthonyism for the media...an explanation for all of Casey's lies maybe?

jmo

Bolding by me....

So, Casey never really said if anyone was threatening her family or not. Cindy made quite a stretch if she got that someone was indeed threatening them from Casey's statement.:rolleyes: It just seems to me that Casey wanted to change the subject and didn't want to talk about what happened to Caylee anymore.:sneaky: Casey did that a lot in the jail house video visits. It must be a relief to Casey to not have to visit w/her parents any longer and avoid all the questions about Caylee.

[nanieliz]

Poor casey....she spent all that time on line thinking she was going to earn a credit to graduate. :lol:



Wow,I've earned my Doc. of Anthonys right here on line along with the rest of U junkies!lol Too bad it doesn't pay.:tonguewag:


Nanieliz

[nanieliz]

We need that law here in GA! Great incentive for kids to stay in school or even have the grades associated with them. If you fail a class you lose your license.


ETA....I may be going a bit far with the failing of a class.... lol


I'm probably wrong but I thought we(Ga.) have that law. My GS is 15 and just has his learners.


Nanieliz

[need2no]

Wow,I've earned my Doc. of Anthonys right here on line along with the rest of U junkies!lol Too bad it doesn't pay.:tonguewag:


Nanieliz

LOL.

I'd be rich if I got paid for the time I spend following true crime cases. Sure do wish I could find a way to get paid for this obsession I indulge in, but I guess I'd settle for a master's degree in criminology. :smile:

[Jeepers]

LOL.

I'd be rich if I got paid for the time I spend following true crime cases. Sure do wish I could find a way to get paid for this obsession I indulge in, but I guess I'd settle for a master's degree in criminology. :smile:



Good Morning,

I ordered my cap and gown yesterday, I was ready to walk the aisle to get my diploma when I got a call from the admin saying I was a 1/2 credit shy of graduating. I was told there would be more documents to read before I was given the Cum Latida Title of Anthonyism Law Degree.
I was told I failed the chloroform test and I will have to take that class over.
I am just torn over the use and make of chloroform for Caylee.

[lindsay]

This is my first posting although l have lurked for a long time.l live in Canada and purchased the book through Amazon online.l received it Thursday and have nearly finished the book.The print is quite small but l am able to read it in a good light.A very enjoyable,readable boolkl feel l know the Anthony family better.A strange odd bunch of people.

[TunaMelt]

Have finished the book now and thought it was pretty good overall. I was surprised that she left out George's first interview with the police on July 24, 2008, the one where he got sick at the end. -- Also, if her theory of the murder is right, how did the hair showing decomposition get in the trunk? Am I missing something there?

I finished it last night, and I agree with you. It was a decent book, pretty much "just the facts" but I just can't buy into her theory of Casey making the chloroform in the house and killing Caylee with the fumes. And then duct taping her mouth and nose.

That doesn't do it for me.

Also, did Ms. Fanning have knowledge of the syringe? I'm assuming she didn't, because I think that would have been mentioned...??

I don't know...I don't think she killed her in the house. I think she thought she might bury her there, but she killed her elsewhere.

imo.

[CrimeWarrior]

Tonight @ 10 PM EST / 9 CST True crime author Diane Fanning will be discussing her new book "Mommy's Little Girl" and the latest developments in the Caylee Anthony case.

To listen to the show GO HERE: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/LeviPage/2009/11/08/Inside-the-Caylee-Anthony-Murder-Case

Diane will also be taking listener calls live during the show.

[Abbie]

My BF had a seizure a couple of years ago--at the dinner table, one minute he was fine, next minute eyes rolling back in his head and foam at his mouth and shaking--I called 911 and they sent an ambulance. They kept him in the hospital for 5 days, running every test imaginable. Finally they determined it was a reaction to a new prescription that had been given to him. He never had a problem with seizures previous to that; has never had once since. It's very scary to watch, and was very scary for him to go through.

I'm betting that Casey's seizure was from alcohol poisoning--the symptoms certainly sound right. (For those who followed Natalee Holloway, one point of speculation is that she seized from AP when on the beach with Joran, and that led to him thinking she was dead and taking her out in a boat and dumping her overboard. Ugh. I don't like to think of that sad case again.)

AP is very dangerous--often fatal--and there are lots of kids who die every year on college campuses from AP.


I had a seizure out of nowhere while grocery shopping alone about 5 weeks ago. Was in hospital for 6 days "ruling out" everything. Turns out the antidepressant I had been on for 3+ yrs was toxic to me.....i am ok now but hope I never go through that again. Scarey stuff.

[SC7501]

Tonight @ 10 PM EST / 9 CST True crime author Diane Fanning will be discussing her new book "Mommy's Little Girl" and the latest developments in the Caylee Anthony case.

To listen to the show GO HERE: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/LeviPage/2009/11/08/Inside-the-Caylee-Anthony-Murder-Case

Diane will also be taking listener calls live during the show.

Thanks, I missed the show live, but it was still well worth listening to. Leonard Padilla was there as well as Diane Fanning. There was talk about the possibility of her doing another book when the case is over and much more including the discovery released yesterday. I was particularly interested to learn that not all of Tracy McLaughlin's statement has been released.

[CHITCHAT]

I finally got my book friday...I dont have a lot of time to read but I can hardly put this book down...I'm about half done now..I found it very interesting. I didnt realize how out of control kc was. she was on a very rapid downward spirl. She does seem to have bi-polar...not an excuse for murdering your child, but does explan some of the stealing and shopping problems she has.
I was very surprised to find out about there financial problems...George is a big immature dumb, dumb to have gotten there family so far into debt. Looks like poor old cindy was the only one bringing in any real money. It's amazing how now they can afford a nice ocn crz vaca., must be nice...
Cindy is soooo in denile..she couldnt even see kc was prego...shes a nurse for pete sake...she only sees what she wants to see, or maybe its only what she can handle...maybe knowing the truth would just be the straw that would break the camels back. she sure does have a lot of problems and all fall on her shoulders...

[TunaMelt]

Question:

I thought Cindy's birth name was Plesea. But that's not what it is in the book, it's Cuza or something like that. Does anyone have any explanation for that --

I realize this has already been asked somewhere, or I think it would have been, but I can't find the answer.

Help, anyone?

TIA

:seeya:

[BettyC]

Question:

I thought Cindy's birth name was Plesea. But that's not what it is in the book, it's Cuza or something like that. Does anyone have any explanation for that --

I realize this has already been asked somewhere, or I think it would have been, but I can't find the answer.

Help, anyone?

TIA

:seeya:

Tuna - Diane changed the last name in the book to protect the privacy of the family. (From those who don't already know it.)

Another thing that kept bugging me was when she kept referring to Ricardo as Rico. I don't know if that's what he's called or not. I hadn't heard it before.

[TunaMelt]

Tuna - Diane changed the last name in the book to protect the privacy of the family. (From those who don't already know it.)

Another thing that kept bugging me was when she kept referring to Ricardo as Rico. I don't know if that's what he's called or not. I hadn't heard it before.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Well. How 'bout that.

The Rico thing bothered me too, but I thought it was a massive typo.
:wink:

Well. That explains it, and thanks Betty, that's been bothering me for days!

:seeya:

[CHITCHAT]

my gosh. who cared for this poor little girl? grandma did a lot of complaining about having to. good old mama kc drug her all over late at night and complained too...who loved caylee? who was there that was happy to see her? who made a fuss over her when she came into a room? Baby's this age just want to me watched. Its always "look at me" "watch me jump, skip, run" who did that for this baby? these people make me so sad. I understand Cindy was under a great deal of stress. George was no help, kc eather. They are some truely self centered selfish people. And it was Caylee that payed for it.

[desmom]

Tuna - Diane changed the last name in the book to protect the privacy of the family. (From those who don't already know it.)

Another thing that kept bugging me was when she kept referring to Ricardo as Rico. I don't know if that's what he's called or not. I hadn't heard it before.


November 4, 2008 interview with Ricardo Morales
page 43 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Sidebar/DONE6476-6550.pdf

YM Have you ever used the name Rico or has Rico ever, anyone ever called you Rico, Casey ever called you that like a pet name?

RM Uh she actually, yes Casey is, I never went by that before and she used it and I guess it stuck. She would call me that and Caylee would as well.

YM Was it for Ricardo, was it for, like short for like Puerto Rican or my little?

RM I assumed it was just for Ricardo.

YM Okay

RM The shortening of it.

[BettyC]

November 4, 2008 interview with Ricardo Morales
page 43 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Sidebar/DONE6476-6550.pdf

YM Have you ever used the name Rico or has Rico ever, anyone ever called you Rico, Casey ever called you that like a pet name?

RM Uh she actually, yes Casey is, I never went by that before and she used it and I guess it stuck. She would call me that and Caylee would as well.

YM Was it for Ricardo, was it for, like short for like Puerto Rican or my little?

RM I assumed it was just for Ricardo.

YM Okay

RM The shortening of it.

Thanks Des !

[charmin 66]

If you found out your kid wasn't graduating, would you go to the graduation ceremony anyway?

[CHITCHAT]

when my grandson didnt graduate from middle school. I did not go to grad. why? hes not graduating...whats there to go for? pretend?

[desmom]

If you found out your kid wasn't graduating, would you go to the graduation ceremony anyway?

Nope and there would not be a party either. jmo

[MisterGrey]

Tuna - Diane changed the last name in the book to protect the privacy of the family. (From those who don't already know it.)

Another thing that kept bugging me was when she kept referring to Ricardo as Rico. I don't know if that's what he's called or not. I hadn't heard it before.
He is referred to as "Rico" in text messages between Casey and Amy.
He is the young man who Cindy (in her depo) stated that she believed he was a gay friend of Casey.

[MisterGrey]

Please forgive me, I was late in receiving my copy and I appear to be bringing up the rear of the pack...
p.16 When Lee volunteers to go to Nanny's to check on Caylee, he "offered to take along his roommate verify what he saw."

What an incredibly childish statement! However, after observing the Anthonys for over a year, I guess there exists no trust between liars and outside witnesses might be required. What a sad way to live.

p.30 I never realized that Yuri recorded Casey at the house and at Universal. I remembered that she had written her statement, but always thought the interview took place in its entirety at Universal.

p. 76 i appreciated Diane's summary of George's knee injuries.

p. 22 I was disappointed that Ms Fanning did not include Casey's "Why do they want to talk to me?' during Cindy's 911 call. Maybe it was not included in the official transcript, but we all know she said it.

p.80 Both the book and Cindy in her pros. depo expound on all the scholarships available to Casey for photography. In the world that I live in, scholarships might be available to those that have their GED. Of course Cindy also states in the depo that Lee did some quarters ( in my world semesters?) at Velencia, while Lee said he did not go to college. FA would have been available to Casey had she gotten her Ged and applied as a low (no) income single mother, and perhaps Job Corp might have help her explore options in photography, but no, Cindy has to add the spin and make it sound like Casey was an up and coming protege.

p.82 Mentioned is something I had forgotten, that Casey flew to Ricks wedding. Maybe a road trip would have been too much on those fibroid tumors.

p.87 In a statement by George regarding Jesse, he says "I think he loved that little girl more than he loved my daughter". I suspect that Casey heard this statement, and went with it when she wanted to break it off with Jesse. Casey has few original thoughts of her own.

p. 111 Casey forged 3 deposit slips totaling $4,400. I have suspected that one lie Casey probably used on her parents was borrowing money against her tax return refund and her earned income credit as a single mom, head of her household, with one dependent child. We may never know who filed what but I sure am curious about the Anthony's IRS issues.

p 112 Shirley estimates that Casey had taken $45,000.00 from her parents. I was glad to see that in writing. I remember all the speculation when the figure first broke the news and many thinking that it must be $4,500.00. I can't even begin to wrap my mind around parents who would let their adult child repeatedly steal from them up to that incredible sum. I guess that when parents live beyond their means, rack up credit cards and gamble away money from fraudulent credit cards, that to them money does not hold the value as the rest of us.

p.132 The manner in which Diane records the shovel incident, it reads as if Casey borrowed the shovel from Brian and then returned it to him. IIRC I thought Brian went to take a shower after giving Casey the shovel and she returned it to his son.

p 162 Have we ever discovered who the friend was who Casey made an appointment with at the tattoo pallor for the next Sat.?

p. 319 I had believed that the impetus behind George's pizza and beer suicide attempt was when Cindy asked him to pick out jewelry for the memorial. I interpreted that to mean cremain jewelry. Diane states that Cindy had sent him "to purchase jewelry for Caylee to wear during her cremation." :scared:
Now that is a practice I have never heard of before. I can see including items of significance with a loved one, we certainly sent my mother off with a slew of gifts from our hearts, but these were not new items!!!!!!! I firmly believe that whatever helps those left behind cope with their grief is the right and proper thing for them to do, but this puzzles me greatly.

All practicality aside, even ignoring the fact that her unemployed grandparents are spending money for jewelry which will just be melted away while not selecting a favorite something from the many things which this child now has permanently on display in her shrine,

is sweet Caylee remembered by her family as

"The one we (Cindy) always bought new stuff for" ????

:sad:

[Dovey]

Please forgive me, I was late in receiving my copy and I appear to be bringing up the rear of the pack...
p.16 When Lee volunteers to go to Nanny's to check on Caylee, he "offered to take along his roommate verify what he saw."

What an incredibly childish statement! However, after observing the Anthonys for over a year, I guess there exists no trust between liars and outside witnesses might be required. What a sad way to live.

p.30 I never realized that Yuri recorded Casey at the house and at Universal. I remembered that she had written her statement, but always thought the interview took place in its entirety at Universal.

p. 76 i appreciated Diane's summary of George's knee injuries.

p. 22 I was disappointed that Ms Fanning did not include Casey's "Why do they want to talk to me?' during Cindy's 911 call. Maybe it was not included in the official transcript, but we all know she said it.

p.80 Both the book and Cindy in her pros. depo expound on all the scholarships available to Casey for photography. In the world that I live in, scholarships might be available to those that have their GED. Of course Cindy also states in the depo that Lee did some quarters ( in my world semesters?) at Velencia, while Lee said he did not go to college. FA would have been available to Casey had she gotten her Ged and applied as a low (no) income single mother, and perhaps Job Corp might have help her explore options in photography, but no, Cindy has to add the spin and make it sound like Casey was an up and coming protege.

p.82 Mentioned is something I had forgotten, that Casey flew to Ricks wedding. Maybe a road trip would have been too much on those fibroid tumors.

p.87 In a statement by George regarding Jesse, he says "I think he loved that little girl more than he loved my daughter". I suspect that Casey heard this statement, and went with it when she wanted to break it off with Jesse. Casey has few original thoughts of her own.

p. 111 Casey forged 3 deposit slips totaling $4,400. I have suspected that one lie Casey probably used on her parents was borrowing money against her tax return refund and her earned income credit as a single mom, head of her household, with one dependent child. We may never know who filed what but I sure am curious about the Anthony's IRS issues.

p 112 Shirley estimates that Casey had taken $45,000.00 from her parents. I was glad to see that in writing. I remember all the speculation when the figure first broke the news and many thinking that it must be $4,500.00. I can't even begin to wrap my mind around parents who would let their adult child repeatedly steal from them up to that incredible sum. I guess that when parents live beyond their means, rack up credit cards and gamble away money from fraudulent credit cards, that to them money does not hold the value as the rest of us.

p.132 The manner in which Diane records the shovel incident, it reads as if Casey borrowed the shovel from Brian and then returned it to him. IIRC I thought Brian went to take a shower after giving Casey the shovel and she returned it to his son.

p 162 Have we ever discovered who the friend was who Casey made an appointment with at the tattoo pallor for the next Sat.?

p. 319 I had believed that the impetus behind George's pizza and beer suicide attempt was when Cindy asked him to pick out jewelry for the memorial. I interpreted that to mean cremain jewelry. Diane states that Cindy had sent him "to purchase jewelry for Caylee to wear during her cremation." :scared:
Now that is a practice I have never heard of before. I can see including items of significance with a loved one, we certainly sent my mother off with a slew of gifts from our hearts, but these were not new items!!!!!!! I firmly believe that whatever helps those left behind cope with their grief is the right and proper thing for them to do, but this puzzles me greatly.

All practicality aside, even ignoring the fact that her unemployed grandparents are spending money for jewelry which will just be melted away while not selecting a favorite something from the many things which this child now has permanently on display in her shrine,

is sweet Caylee remembered by her family as

"The one we (Cindy) always bought new stuff for" ????

:sad:\\

TY for your imput as I have not read the book. You summed it up well.

[CHITCHAT]

I am so into this book....

I am surprised Cindy is so in denile...she didnt believe her daughter was prego, she thinks it was from a one nite stand...she thinks all Casey's nites out were spent at the nanny's house. she never spent the nite at a guys house. I just wonder if all the evidence at the trial will make her open her eyes? whats it going to take to make this woman see her darling daughter is a killer? I wonder how long George is going to hang around after casey is sentenced? He too needs to take a good look at his wife and daughter.

Are eather one working right now? How are they getting money to live on? They cant be getting that much from pic's...I havent seen any differant ones out..

[CHITCHAT]

when a person is cremated they dont go in with jewelry...thats what I was told when my mother was cremated...maybe diff in diff places?

[tulpje]

when a person is cremated they dont go in with jewelry...thats what I was told when my mother was cremated...maybe diff in diff places?



You are right.
When my sister was going to be cremated, we had to remove any hairpins from her hair.
They only thing that goes in the casket is a little stone with a number, that's then given to the family, to make sure you have the remains of your loved one.

Maybe Cindy was referring to jewelry to keep the ashes of Caylee in.
That's what I'm thinking.

[CHITCHAT]

Oh, you may be right about the ashes being kept in a peace of jewelry. my neice did it with her fathers ashes and I also know of one other person who did that...
maybe they had it mixed with the ink for there tats...I have heard of that also....

[CHITCHAT]

On page 318 it says George went shopping for jewelry for Caylee to wear for the cremation.....They dont let them wear anything metal because its done at such a high temp metal could explode...
Hope the attendent gave them the jewelry back...

[MisterGrey]

On page 318 it says George went shopping for jewelry for Caylee to wear for the cremation.....They dont let them wear anything metal because its done at such a high temp metal could explode...
Hope the attendent gave them the jewelry back...
I was confused by the way it was written. Did Diane mean cremain jewelry or jewelry to be placed in the teddy bear urn later along with her ashes?

[desmom]

page 261 Casey told her parents during the August 14 visit "They didn't even give me 24 hours to help them - the police - without putting me here..."

IIRC, LE was notified of a missing child July 15 late evening with detectives arriving at the Anthony household around midnight give or take. Casey was arrested around 4:30 p.m. on July 16.

Detectives spoke with Casey and her family, spoke to several of Casey's friends and took her on several drives at Casey's direction.

Casey is correct, they did not give her 24 hours. LE gave her 16 1/2 hours...16 1/2 hours of lies and 'mis-truths'.

A huge waste.

jmo

[Ladygator]

page 261 Casey told her parents during the August 14 visit "They didn't even give me 24 hours to help them - the police - without putting me here..."

IIRC, LE was notified of a missing child July 15 late evening with detectives arriving at the Anthony household around midnight give or take. Casey was arrested around 4:30 p.m. on July 16.

Detectives spoke with Casey and her family, spoke to several of Casey's friends and took her on several drives at Casey's direction.

Casey is correct, they did not give her 24 hours. LE gave her 16 1/2 hours...16 1/2 hours of lies and 'mis-truths'.

A huge waste.

jmo

And Cindy justifies this as unfair treatment of Casey saying LE 'wouldn't listen' to Casey. Has she listened to Casey's interview with LE? They heard nothing but lies. They gave her ample chances to change her story. Plenty of wiggle room for Casey to stop with the lies and tell the truth. Casey wanted to stick to her story. The nanny did it!!!

16 1/2 hours of lies and wild goose chases. What would have been different had LE given her a couple of more hours? Another vacant apartment? A walk in at the local Sport's Authority where Casey 'worked'?:laugh:

[CrimeWarrior]

Tomorrow night at 10 PM EST / 9 CST

Diane Fanning will be joining the Levi Page Show to discuss the latest in the Caylee Anthony case.

Here is the link to listen live: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/LeviPage/2009/11/16/True-Crime-Wrap-Up