Michelle Young - THREE Long Years Later

[lilismom]

Thinking of Michelle and all who loved her on this the third anniversary of her brutal murder.

Anyone who posts here today, please, please, please, let's just use this thread to post a few kind words in remembrance of a young mother taken away from this world way too soon.

RIP Michelle. :rose:

IMO,
Lilismom

[Jester]

It's been a long three years, but there is optimism about a resolution.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7098534

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local_state/story/172280.html

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6327433/

[Doorbell]

I will never forget.

:rose::rose:

[BiggerRedDog]

Hard to believe three years have passed, and no arrest. Soon, surely...
Thinking of Michelle and Rylan, Linda and Meredith, and especially Cassidy.

:rose::rose::rose:

[Cardinal]

:sad: :rose: :rose:

[Jester]

I have no speakers, so I have no idea what they're saying, but I think this summarizes the case from the recent memorial to an overall review of the case.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/6351046/

[Lovethechild]

Praying for justice for Michelle!

[annalyzer]

Cops Expect Arrest 3 Years After Pregnant Mom's Murder
No Word on Whether Suspect Is Husband, Who Was Found Liable for Her Death

By SARAH NETTER and DEAN SCHABNER
Nov. 4, 2009

Police said they expect to make an arrest soon in the bludgeoning death of Michelle Young, the pregnant North Carolina mother who was killed three years ago in front of her young daughter Cassidy. But they wouldn't say whether the person they are eyeing was her husband.

On Tuesday, the third anniversary of Young's murder, Wake County law enforcement officials told ABC News affiliate WTVD-TV in Raleigh-Durham, N.C., that they have not given up on the case, but have moved slowly to make sure that when they do make an arrest, it sticks.

"We've got one shot and we want to make sure when we go in with that shot, we're ready," Wake County Sheriff Donnie Harrison told WTVD-TV.

"We realize it's been three years and we've been working hard, but we try not to impose artificial deadlines on ourselves," Wake County District Attorney Colon Willoughby said in an interview with WTVD-TV.

Michelle Young's mother, sister and other relatives have said they suspected her husband, Jason Young, from the start. In March, they were awarded $15.6 million in damages in a wrongful death lawsuit against him, notching a victory in their quest to hold him responsible for her death.

Though Jason Young has never been named a suspect by police, the lead investigator in the case testified during the civil court trial that detectives believe he killed her. The civil suit was filed by Michelle Young's mother, Linda Fisher.

"The pretty obvious point was, this is not the way to end a marriage," Jack Michaels, Fisher's attorney in Raleigh, told ABCNews.com in March after the civil court ruling. "There are divorce courts for that."

Though the family had asked for $36 million, they were awarded $3.9 million in compensatory damages and $11.7 in punitive damages.

"We're probably never going to collect any of this," Michaels said. But if they do, "virtually every dime would go to Cassidy," he said, and the rest to pay for Michelle Young's funeral expenses.

(more at link)
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/years-pregnant-moms-murder-cops-expect-arrest/story?id=8998936

[tiny paw-prints]

Justice for Michelle and Rylan :rose:

soon, very soon...

[Stellagant]

Cops Expect Arrest 3 Years After Pregnant Mom's Murder
No Word on Whether Suspect Is Husband, Who Was Found Liable for Her Death

By SARAH NETTER and DEAN SCHABNER
Nov. 4, 2009

Police said they expect to make an arrest soon in the bludgeoning death of Michelle Young, the pregnant North Carolina mother who was killed three years ago in front of her young daughter Cassidy. But they wouldn't say whether the person they are eyeing was her husband.

On Tuesday, the third anniversary of Young's murder, Wake County law enforcement officials told ABC News affiliate WTVD-TV in Raleigh-Durham, N.C., that they have not given up on the case, but have moved slowly to make sure that when they do make an arrest, it sticks.

"We've got one shot and we want to make sure when we go in with that shot, we're ready," Wake County Sheriff Donnie Harrison told WTVD-TV.

"We realize it's been three years and we've been working hard, but we try not to impose artificial deadlines on ourselves," Wake County District Attorney Colon Willoughby said in an interview with WTVD-TV.

Michelle Young's mother, sister and other relatives have said they suspected her husband, Jason Young, from the start. In March, they were awarded $15.6 million in damages in a wrongful death lawsuit against him, notching a victory in their quest to hold him responsible for her death.

Though Jason Young has never been named a suspect by police, the lead investigator in the case testified during the civil court trial that detectives believe he killed her. The civil suit was filed by Michelle Young's mother, Linda Fisher.

"The pretty obvious point was, this is not the way to end a marriage," Jack Michaels, Fisher's attorney in Raleigh, told ABCNews.com in March after the civil court ruling. "There are divorce courts for that."

Though the family had asked for $36 million, they were awarded $3.9 million in compensatory damages and $11.7 in punitive damages.

"We're probably never going to collect any of this," Michaels said. But if they do, "virtually every dime would go to Cassidy," he said, and the rest to pay for Michelle Young's funeral expenses.

(more at link)
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/years-pregnant-moms-murder-cops-expect-arrest/story?id=8998936

Seems odd that the article doesn't mention the therapist notes or the fact that Tylenol doesn't induce drowsiness.

Three years and the continuing refusal of the DA to name Jason a suspect is a strong indication there is something in the therapist's notes that points to someone other than Jason. I doubt Spivey has ever seen the contents of that information.

[jerry50]

It seems odd to me that the story didn't mention the possibilityof a slander suit by JY in reaction to the words of Linda's attorney accusing him of murder. If he is innocent it would be a good way to get enough money to pay Linda in the WDS.

I don't remember but once a person is named a suspect do they have additional constitutional rights?

jmo

[Stellagant]

It seems odd to me that the story didn't mention the possibilityof a slander suit by JY in reaction to the words of Linda's attorney accusing him of murder. If he is innocent it would be a good way to get enough money to pay Linda in the WDS.

I don't remember but once a person is named a suspect do they have additional constitutional rights?

jmo

Not exactly. But there is overall a right to due process and procedural rules that must be followed. Expressing an opinion isn't slander. Spivey and the lawyer expressed an opinion without benefit of seeing those therapist notes. Notes that a Judge concluded are relevant to the murder. If Jason is arrested, those notes immediately land in his lawyer's hands under discovery rules, as will the hotel security tapes.

Once a person is named a suspect, the DA has an ethical duty to advance the case. Spivey's naming Jason a suspect didn't advance the case. Evidence of opportunity is required in order for the DA to obtain an indictment or win a prelim hearing. I'm sure the DA would appreciate real evidence admissable at criminal trial rather than inadmissable opinions at this point.

[janesdeaan]

Seems odd that the article doesn't mention the therapist notes or the fact that Tylenol doesn't induce drowsiness.

Three years and the continuing refusal of the DA to name Jason a suspect is a strong indication there is something in the therapist's notes that points to someone other than Jason. I doubt Spivey has ever seen the contents of that information.

Wake County law enforcement officials told ABC News affiliate WTVD-TV in Raleigh-Durham, N.C., that they have not given up on the case, but have moved slowly to make sure that when they do make an arrest, it sticks.

"We've got one shot and we want to make sure when we go in with that shot, we're ready," Wake County Sheriff Donnie Harrison told WTVD-TV.

"We realize it's been three years and we've been working hard, but we try not to impose artificial deadlines on ourselves," Wake County District Attorney Colon Willoughby said in an interview with WTVD-TV.

Though Jason Young has never been named a suspect by police, the lead investigator in the case testified during the civil court trial that detectives believe he killed her.

Included as evidence in Fisher's lawsuit was an affidavit from Wake County Sheriff's Office investigator R.C. Spivey III, who also testified in court that Michelle Young's beating was among the worst he'd ever seen.

Spivey wrote in the affidavit: "I am familiar with other items of fact developed during this investigation that have not been placed in the public record to support a search warrant and, in my opinion, this evidence ... indicates that Jason Young was the perpetrator."

Neither Jason Young nor his attorney appeared in court for the wrongful-death ruling. He was deemed responsible for his wife's death in civil court by default last year when he failed to respond to the suit.

"The focus there is on escaping criminal testimony," Michaels said of Jason Young's absence.

Search warrants and affidavits in the case detail damning circumstantial evidence against Jason Young

Police also noticed an adult shoe print that they said was from a size 12 Hush Puppies Orbital shoe, which was left in the bloodstains. Police later found through store records that Jason Young had purchased a pair of size 12 Hush Puppies Orbital shoes more than a year before his wife's death, according to investigators' reports.

Records seized from Jason Young's computer turned up search queries on "anatomy of a knockout," "head trauma knockout," "divorce" and "gay bars in New York City," according to police affidavits.

There were also searches for "right posterior parietal occipital region" -- the occipital region is in the back of the head -- and "ischemia," the decrease in the blood supply to parts of the body caused by constriction or obstruction of blood vessels, according to the affidavit.


Just a few tidbits taken from the article annalyzer posted, to remind all of us where this case stands and who the responsible party is. JMO

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/years-pregn...ory?id=8998936

[Leanne Weich]

Thanks janesdean. Seems the most positive comments we've heard since Michelle was murdered. I will not use the word imminent but I do think we may all be surprised in the near future to hear that a GJ has handed down a true bill. I hope we get to see JY do the perp walk.

I'm so glad that Cassidy was able to hear all the wonderful stories about her mom from people who truly love her.

[sunstar]

I'm still thinking of you, Michelle, and praying for justice :rose:

[Tia]

I'm still thinking of you, Michelle, and praying for justice :rose:

Me too. Justice is coming.


:rose:

[tiny paw-prints]

IIRC, the GJ meets Nov 10, Nov 24 and Dec 8th??? Someone can correct me if those dates are wrong. TIA

[Stellagant]

Wake County law enforcement officials told ABC News affiliate WTVD-TV in Raleigh-Durham, N.C., that they have not given up on the case, but have moved slowly to make sure that when they do make an arrest, it sticks.

"We've got one shot and we want to make sure when we go in with that shot, we're ready," Wake County Sheriff Donnie Harrison told WTVD-TV.

"We realize it's been three years and we've been working hard, but we try not to impose artificial deadlines on ourselves," Wake County District Attorney Colon Willoughby said in an interview with WTVD-TV.

Though Jason Young has never been named a suspect by police, the lead investigator in the case testified during the civil court trial that detectives believe he killed her.

Included as evidence in Fisher's lawsuit was an affidavit from Wake County Sheriff's Office investigator R.C. Spivey III, who also testified in court that Michelle Young's beating was among the worst he'd ever seen.

Spivey wrote in the affidavit: "I am familiar with other items of fact developed during this investigation that have not been placed in the public record to support a search warrant and, in my opinion, this evidence ... indicates that Jason Young was the perpetrator."

Neither Jason Young nor his attorney appeared in court for the wrongful-death ruling. He was deemed responsible for his wife's death in civil court by default last year when he failed to respond to the suit.

"The focus there is on escaping criminal testimony," Michaels said of Jason Young's absence.

Search warrants and affidavits in the case detail damning circumstantial evidence against Jason Young

Police also noticed an adult shoe print that they said was from a size 12 Hush Puppies Orbital shoe, which was left in the bloodstains. Police later found through store records that Jason Young had purchased a pair of size 12 Hush Puppies Orbital shoes more than a year before his wife's death, according to investigators' reports.

Records seized from Jason Young's computer turned up search queries on "anatomy of a knockout," "head trauma knockout," "divorce" and "gay bars in New York City," according to police affidavits.

There were also searches for "right posterior parietal occipital region" -- the occipital region is in the back of the head -- and "ischemia," the decrease in the blood supply to parts of the body caused by constriction or obstruction of blood vessels, according to the affidavit.


Just a few tidbits taken from the article annalyzer posted, to remind all of us where this case stands and who the responsible party is. JMO

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/years-pregn...ory?id=8998936


where the case stands today is no different than three years ago: still unsolved, no suspect officially named and a lead detective who can't get it done.

The DA sure makes it clear he'd appreciate the WCSO spending more time on gathering admissable evidence rather than imposing artificial deadlines on the DA's staff.

"We realize it's been three years and we've been working hard, but we try not to impose artificial deadlines on ourselves," Wake County District Attorney Colon Willoughby said in an interview with WTVD-TV.

[Jester]

where the case stands today is no different than three years ago: still unsolved, no suspect officially named and a lead detective who can't get it done.

The DA sure makes it clear he'd appreciate the WCSO spending more time on gathering admissable evidence rather than imposing artificial deadlines on the DA's staff.

"We realize it's been three years and we've been working hard, but we try not to impose artificial deadlines on ourselves," Wake County District Attorney Colon Willoughby said in an interview with WTVD-TV.

May Michelle and her son Rylan rest in peace.

We will be patient, as they are.

[tiny paw-prints]

May Michelle and her son Rylan rest in peace.

We will be patient, as they are.

Thank you! Well said. :rose:

[Stellagant]

May Michelle and her son Rylan rest in peace.

We will be patient, as they are.


Speak for yourself.

I don't believe a murdered mother will ever rest in peace until the killer is brought to justice.

[Jester]

Speak for yourself.

I don't believe a murdered mother will ever rest in peace until the killer is brought to justice.

If you believe that there is a restless soul, even though she is with her sons and her father, then you should say a prayer.

I believe that Michelle is resting in peace.
I also believe that she is thankful for a gravestone.

That's common sense.

[reborn]

If you believe that there is a restless soul, even though she is with her sons and her father, then you should say a prayer.

I believe that Michelle is resting in peace.
I also believe that she is thankful for a gravestone.

That's common sense.
If you believe a gravestone is cause for the dead to rest in Peace then we have a lot of unknown soldiers who are not resting very peacefully. I don't think MY's spirit cares one way or another if she has a grave stone. She is with her son and father. We have no way of knowing if the spontaneous abortion was a boy or girl. So she may have a son and daughter with her.

[reborn]

where the case stands today is no different than three years ago: still unsolved, no suspect officially named and a lead detective who can't get it done.

The DA sure makes it clear he'd appreciate the WCSO spending more time on gathering admissable evidence rather than imposing artificial deadlines on the DA's staff.

"We realize it's been three years and we've been working hard, but we try not to impose artificial deadlines on ourselves," Wake County District Attorney Colon Willoughby said in an interview with WTVD-TV.

We haven't seen any action such as SW's since early 09. I think the solving of the case has less chance that it did 3 years ago. JY was looked at from his emails to his homes being searched. Nothing was found. What did they take a few pair of shoes and MY's death certificate. The bloody sheets left behind might have held evidence of the murderer. Maybe there were hairs or skin cells on the bloody sheets. Wake county decided they weren't important and didn't treat them as evidence. Harrison and Spivey have been trying for 3 years to get an indictment of JY. Maybe its time they faced the fact JY might not be the killer. Maybe its time to check if MY's body was moved several hours after her death. We know JY couldn't have been there several hours after her murder. The fact that JY had a pair of hush puppies that matched the bloody print proves nothing. JY's closet was right there in the room. How easy for the killer to get a pair of JY's shoes from the closet and make that bloody print. Now how about the shoes 2 and a half sizes to small for JY? Has LE even tried to find who owned those shoes? Oh I bet they have tried every way on earth to find if JY owned them. Well Harrison wake up and look for the real owner of those shoes.

[dgfred]

Well that could go both ways then: If you are saying someone else took his shoes out of the closet to make a bloody print... you might also say he could have used someone else's shoes to make the prints to throw LE off his tracks.

[reborn]

Well that could go both ways then: If you are saying someone else took his shoes out of the closet to make a bloody print... you might also say he could have used someone else's shoes to make the prints to throw LE off his tracks.

I don't see it as going both ways. If JY used a smaller pair of shoes then I think that would have been the only print there. If he was there and stepped on the pillow by accident then I think the pillow would have gone away. Makes no sense to leave your foot print behind . We know per SW JY was on his way to VA at 7:00AM. Over 7 hrs later a clean Child is found in the house with her mother. I think the DA is having major problems with Cassie being clean. Being cleaned up before the killer left and staying clean are 2 different things. The DA had heard the 911 call. If he has a child he would know that Cassie didn't just wake up when MF walked in the room. She was a very chatty little girl . To try and make JY the killer IMO just won't work. Time to move on Spivey you were headed in the right direction once wonder what detoured him?


http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/12/05/4083955/1228504020-20081205131306653.pdf

[Stellagant]

We haven't seen any action such as SW's since early 09. I think the solving of the case has less chance that it did 3 years ago. JY was looked at from his emails to his homes being searched. Nothing was found. What did they take a few pair of shoes and MY's death certificate. The bloody sheets left behind might have held evidence of the murderer. Maybe there were hairs or skin cells on the bloody sheets. Wake county decided they weren't important and didn't treat them as evidence. Harrison and Spivey have been trying for 3 years to get an indictment of JY. Maybe its time they faced the fact JY might not be the killer. Maybe its time to check if MY's body was moved several hours after her death. We know JY couldn't have been there several hours after her murder. The fact that JY had a pair of hush puppies that matched the bloody print proves nothing. JY's closet was right there in the room. How easy for the killer to get a pair of JY's shoes from the closet and make that bloody print. Now how about the shoes 2 and a half sizes to small for JY? Has LE even tried to find who owned those shoes? Oh I bet they have tried every way on earth to find if JY owned them. Well Harrison wake up and look for the real owner of those shoes.

ITA. I think the hotel security tape also proves that Jason never left the hotel for the duration of time it took to return to Raleigh. The DA also knows something Harrison and Spivey don't know and that is the content of the therapist's notes. Some LE never admit to being wrong, even after DNA proves they arrested the wrong people.

[Jester]

Since it is an infraction to post the words Rest in Peace in Latin, accompanied with an English translation, I'll have to say it in English. Apologies to anyone that is offended by words from prayers posted in Latin and English.

May Michelle and Rylan rest in Peace.

:rose:

[Leanne Weich]

Since it is an infraction to post the words Rest in Peace in Latin, accompanied with an English translation, I'll have to say it in English. Apologies to anyone that is offended by words from prayers posted in Latin and English.

May Michelle and Rylan rest in Peace.

:rose:

IMO, that should not be an infraction. However, as we have come to learn, some people will do and say anything to be contrary in this case.

[tiny paw-prints]

ITA. I think the hotel security tape also proves that Jason never left the hotel for the duration of time it took to return to Raleigh. The DA also knows something Harrison and Spivey don't know and that is the content of the therapist's notes. Some LE never admit to being wrong, even after DNA proves they arrested the wrong people.

I'm confused by your post, can you tell us exactly who they arrested??

[Stellagant]

I'm confused by your post, can you tell us exactly who they arrested??

Sorry you're confused.

"Some LE never admit to being wrong, even after DNA proves they arrested the wrong people."

My reference is to cases that have resulted in wrongful arrest.
I applaud the DA in the Young case for wanting to avoid such a mistake.

[Stellagant]

Dear Confused: I think she was referring to 'some LE' in other cases. By the way, do you notice how media and posters alike seem confused about what the motel video actually shows? That's enough to confuse anybody.

According to the search warrant in the Young case, the hotel security video shows the front desk and hallways leading to/from exits. It's the best direct evidence a defense could want.

[Jester]

According to the search warrant in the Young case, the hotel security video shows the front desk and hallways leading to/from exits. It's the best direct evidence a defense could want.

Jason used his room key once approximately 6 minutes after arriving at the hotel. Shortly thereafter, he was seen in the hallway wearing different clothes and heading for the exit.

His room key was not used to re-enter his room after he changed clothes.

This does not prove that he was at his house murdering his pregnant wife during the next few hours, but it certainly raises the question of where he spent the night.

[Stellagant]

Jason used his room key once approximately 6 minutes after arriving at the hotel. Shortly thereafter, he was seen in the hallway wearing different clothes and heading for the exit.

His room key was not used to re-enter his room after he changed clothes.

This does not prove that he was at his house murdering his pregnant wife during the next few hours, but it certainly raises the question of where he spent the night.

It raises the question for you but there are those who have known the answer for over three years, including Jason Young and the cops who viewed ALL the security video, not just the parts that "raise the question" in order to get additional search warrants. The DA doesn't have to prove WHERE Jason spent the night, he has to prove Jason had opportunity to commit the crime either by doing it himself or having somebody else do it. I think the security cameras provide exculpatory evidence that benefits Jason Young. It comes as no surprise that three years later, the DA continues to refuse to even name Jason Young a suspect. The passage of time isn't going to change what is and isn't on hotel security tapes.

There are only two ways to prove opportunity. 1) security video or other proof such as a gas receipt that shows he left the area and didn't return for hours or 2) evidence he co-conspired.

Three years later and no arrest of Jason Young makes it abundantly clear the security videos prove he never left for the length of time a roundtrip required and even though cops have searched and re-searched for emails, phone calls, they have been unable to find proof he co-conspired.

[reborn]

Jason used his room key once approximately 6 minutes after arriving at the hotel. Shortly thereafter, he was seen in the hallway wearing different clothes and heading for the exit.

His room key was not used to re-enter his room after he changed clothes.

This does not prove that he was at his house murdering his pregnant wife during the next few hours, but it certainly raises the question of where he spent the night.

If you know it was 6 minutes after he arrived that he used his room key then you also know it was over an hour that he was seen in the lobby. Why would you say shortly after he arrived? Are you talking about facts or telling fairy tales? Any one that has ever stayed in a motel knows you can flip that little lever and your door doesn't lock. You also can't tell without trying the door if its locked or not. I have never encountered anyone trying motel room doors to see if they were locked , have you?

[Stellagant]

If you know it was 6 minutes after he arrived that he used his room key then you also know it was over an hour that he was seen in the lobby. Why would you say shortly after he arrived? Are you talking about facts or telling fairy tales? Any one that has ever stayed in a motel knows you can flip that little lever and your door doesn't lock. You also can't tell without trying the door if its locked or not. I have never encountered anyone trying motel room doors to see if they were locked , have you?

ITA with your take and apparently so does the DA because the security video was viewed over three years ago and still no arrest. The recent news articles portray the DA as unconvinced Jason is the killer. He continues to refuse to name him even a suspect.

Portions of the video were used by LE to obtain other search warrants but that seems to be about the extent of its usefulness to the DA. If the security video indicates Jason left the hotel--and didn't return until after he had time to make a roundtrip to Raleigh and kill his wife--the DA would have filed charges three years ago. Combine the video with the therapist's notes a judge concluded was tied to the murder and it doesn't add up to useful evidence that proves Jason Young as the perp. Or at least the DA isn't convinced. Neither am I.

[Jester]

If you know it was 6 minutes after he arrived that he used his room key then you also know it was over an hour that he was seen in the lobby. Why would you say shortly after he arrived? Are you talking about facts or telling fairy tales? Any one that has ever stayed in a motel knows you can flip that little lever and your door doesn't lock. You also can't tell without trying the door if its locked or not. I have never encountered anyone trying motel room doors to see if they were locked , have you?

That is not true. Jason was not seen an hour after he checked into the hotel.

He checked into the hotel, 6 minutes later used the room key, was seen wearing different clothing, and was then video taped near the exit. He did not use his room key after he changed clothes.

Jason used his room key once, changed, returned to the front desk, and was seen on video heading for the exit. It cannot be said that he murdered his wife that night, but it is not known where he spent the night. He did not return to his room ... that much is known.

[Jester]

... no arrest of Jason Young makes it abundantly clear the security videos prove he never left for the length of time a roundtrip required
<snipped for brevity>

Not exactly. The absence of arrest does not imply innocence of suspect.

What is clear is that Jason changed clothes, and used his room key once around midnight before his pregnant wife was murdered. He was seen in the hotel after using the room key and after changing clothes. At the time, he was seen heading for the exit.

Jason did not re-use his key, therefore he did not re-enter his room. It is not known where Jason spent the night that his wife was murdered. He had enough time to travel home, murder, and arrive late at his morning meeting. He arrived late at his morning meeting.

[Jester]

ITA with your take and apparently so does the DA because the security video was viewed over three years ago and still no arrest. The recent news articles portray the DA as unconvinced Jason is the killer. He continues to refuse to name him even a suspect.

Portions of the video were used by LE to obtain other search warrants but that seems to be about the extent of its usefulness to the DA. If the security video indicates Jason left the hotel--and didn't return until after he had time to make a roundtrip to Raleigh and kill his wife--the DA would have filed charges three years ago. Combine the video with the therapist's notes a judge concluded was tied to the murder and it doesn't add up to useful evidence that proves Jason Young as the perp. Or at least the DA isn't convinced. Neither am I.

An arrest does not rest on any one piece of evidence. Circumstantial evidence includes the big picture. Jason used his room key once. He didn't use the key again. Therefore, he didn't enter his room after midnight. We don't know where, or if, he slept that night. We do know that he appeared disturbed during and after his morning meeting. We do know that he had time to murder his wife. We do know that a light colored SUV was seen at his house in the early morning hours by the paper delivery guy. Jason had a light colored SUV. We know that Jason, out of character, asked his sister in law to retrieve a completely irrelevant document. We know that during that document retrieval, she discovered her murdered sister.

In addition to having no alibi, Jason's DNA was found in blood smears on the wall near the floor beside his murdered wife, and murder scene footprints match those on the back deck - the deck that Jason re-finished.

Maybe Jason is an innocent guy, an unlucky guy, and maybe all evidence points toward him.

[reborn]

An arrest does not rest on any one piece of evidence. Circumstantial evidence includes the big picture. Jason used his room key once. He didn't use the key again. Therefore, he didn't enter his room after midnight. We don't know where, or if, he slept that night. We do know that he appeared disturbed during and after his morning meeting. We do know that he had time to murder his wife. We do know that a light colored SUV was seen at his house in the early morning hours by the paper delivery guy. Jason had a light colored SUV. We know that Jason, out of character, asked his sister in law to retrieve a completely irrelevant document. We know that during that document retrieval, she discovered her murdered sister.

In addition to having no alibi, Jason's DNA was found in blood smears on the wall near the floor beside his murdered wife, and murder scene footprints match those on the back deck - the deck that Jason re-finished.

Maybe Jason is an innocent guy, an unlucky guy, and maybe all evidence points toward him.

You are creating facts not in evidence. If JY's print was found in blood in that bedroom JY would be in jail. There is no evidence JY ever refinished the deck. Maybe JY is innocent and there is no evidence pointing toward him. We know his sister in law said he asked her to get a doc. We also know he called Michelle's phone minutes before he called his sister in law. Could he have asked her to check on Michelle and while she was there to look at the print out? We are talking about a person that has told 3 difference stories to LE. I bet JY wouldn't get a pass go card if he had made those 3 inconsistent statements.

[Stellagant]

An arrest does not rest on any one piece of evidence. Circumstantial evidence includes the big picture. Jason used his room key once. He didn't use the key again. Therefore, he didn't enter his room after midnight. We don't know where, or if, he slept that night. We do know that he appeared disturbed during and after his morning meeting. We do know that he had time to murder his wife. We do know that a light colored SUV was seen at his house in the early morning hours by the paper delivery guy. Jason had a light colored SUV. We know that Jason, out of character, asked his sister in law to retrieve a completely irrelevant document. We know that during that document retrieval, she discovered her murdered sister.

In addition to having no alibi, Jason's DNA was found in blood smears on the wall near the floor beside his murdered wife, and murder scene footprints match those on the back deck - the deck that Jason re-finished.

Maybe Jason is an innocent guy, an unlucky guy, and maybe all evidence points toward him.

Or maybe you don't understand criminal trial procedure in the United States? At trial, a prosecutor is required to prove the defendant had opportunity to commit the crime. It is not a requirement for indictment but it is a requirement at trial. How many times Jason used his room key is irrelevant to the Court if there are security tapes that fail to show Jason leaving/returning to the hotel in the timeframe a roundtrip to Raleigh required that also fits with the time of death. Three years later, it's more than obvious the prosecution in this case is unable to meet the requirement of opportunity and that is why so many years have been spent trying to find a co-conspirator.

What you claim are facts are pure fabrication on your part: It isn't a fact Jason left the hotel. It isn't a fact that Jason refinished a deck. It isn't a fact his shoe left a print on the deck. It isn't a fact that Jason never asked his s-i-l a favor. It isn't a fact Jason appeared "disturbed" at a meeting.

You also have claimed repeatedly that "murder scene foot prints match those on the back deck." No matter how many times you post it, it still isn't true nor is it proof any crime scene prints belong to Jason Young.

[Jester]

Or maybe you don't understand criminal trial procedure in the United States? At trial, a prosecutor is required to prove the defendant had opportunity to commit the crime. It is not a requirement for indictment but it is a requirement at trial. How many times Jason used his room key is irrelevant to the Court if there are security tapes that fail to show Jason leaving/returning to the hotel in the timeframe a roundtrip to Raleigh required that also fits with the time of death. Three years later, it's more than obvious the prosecution in this case is unable to meet the requirement of opportunity and that is why so many years have been spent trying to find a co-conspirator.

What you claim are facts are pure fabrication on your part: It isn't a fact Jason left the hotel. It isn't a fact that Jason refinished a deck. It isn't a fact his shoe left a print on the deck. It isn't a fact that Jason never asked his s-i-l a favor. It isn't a fact Jason appeared "disturbed" at a meeting.

You also have claimed repeatedly that "murder scene foot prints match those on the back deck." No matter how many times you post it, it still isn't true nor is it proof any crime scene prints belong to Jason Young.

Jason has no alibi for the time of the crime. He had means, opportunity, and motive to murder his pregnant wife.

It's completely bewildering how this could have happened, but it seems that I read completely different search warrants and reports on this case than you.

For example, I have read the following in search warrants:

"DNA found on the wall in the couple's bedroom "matched the DNA profile obtained from the bloodstain of Jason Young," the warrant stated."

"According to the warrants, two bloody footprints were also found on a pillow at the scene. One footprint impression was made by a HushPuppies brand shoe. DSW Shoe Warehouse records indicate that Jason Young purchased HushPuppies brand shoes that match the footwear impression on July 4, 2005.

The other footwear impression matched footprints in the wood stain used on the couple's backyard deck."

Links to actual warrants: http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/story/3914719/

I guess we'll have to wait for the trial.

[Stellagant]

Jason has no alibi for the time of the crime. He had means, opportunity, and motive to murder his pregnant wife.

It's completely bewildering how this could have happened, but it seems that I read completely different search warrants and reports on this case than you.

For example, I have read the following in search warrants:

"DNA found on the wall in the couple's bedroom "matched the DNA profile obtained from the bloodstain of Jason Young," the warrant stated."

"According to the warrants, two bloody footprints were also found on a pillow at the scene. One footprint impression was made by a HushPuppies brand shoe. DSW Shoe Warehouse records indicate that Jason Young purchased HushPuppies brand shoes that match the footwear impression on July 4, 2005.

The other footwear impression matched footprints in the wood stain used on the couple's backyard deck."

Links to actual warrants: http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/story/3914719/

I guess we'll have to wait for the trial.

This isn't a tv drama that you get to write the ending. Your misrepresentations of old search warrants are a waste of time. The search warrant you misrepresent makes it clear the officers traveled to the Hampton Inn in Virginia and viewed the security video on Nov. 4, 2006 and Jason was on it. You can't prove Jason had opportunity any more than the DA can.

You lie when you quote a published search warrant as stating: "the other footwear impression matched footprints in the wood statin used on the couple's backyard deck."

What the search warrant actually states is "the footwear impressions in the stain appeared to be similar in design.....Further comparisons are being made by Agent Murray in an attempt to determine if the footwear impressions in stain are the same as the "Franklin" brand athletic shoes identified in the crime scene."

"appeared to be similar" doesn't mean the same as "matched" no matter how many times you insist it does. And nowhere does the warrant tie Franklin shoes to Jason Young.

:rolleyes:

[Stellagant]

I think Jester is simply practicing his own brand of Creationism. Or he is just 'jesting' with the board. His comments creating 'facts' can easily be ignored.

You're right. I just don't understand the need to lie about search warrants.

[tiny paw-prints]

You're right. I just don't understand the need to lie about search warrants.

I don't understand Jason's need to give up custody of his one and only daughter, Cassidy. That's very strange, IMO!

I believe that he expects to be arrested, soon...

[Jester]

I think we've already had this discussion but, for your benefit, here we go again. Shoe prints can only be identical if they're made at the same moment. If they are made at a different time, for example, three months apart, the best that can be said is that they appear to be the same. That is, the size, make, and wear pattern appear the same. In terms of what is acceptable in shoe print evidence, you will not find a statement saying that a shoe print made in September and the a print made from the same shoe in November are identical, but rather they they appear to be the same.

[tiny paw-prints]

Like you, I don't understand. You think there could be something not related directly to the murder ? I mean, like, maybe there is something else he won,t or can't talk about and Linda and Meredith are taking advantage of what ever that might be to get what they want? They must be really desperate to take a daughter away from her father, what's that about anyway ?


I don't believe anybody took Cassidy away from him! I believe he agreed to the present custody/custodial/visitation arrangements. Did he voluntarily relinquished many of his parental rights in anticipation of his arrest for the murder of his wife, Michelle and unborn son, Rylan???

[tiny paw-prints]

Don't know about that, it seems to me he would have given the rights to his sister if that were the case. No, I think Linda and Meredith were so desperate for a child they would do anything even if it was such an awful thing.

Well, since I believe Jason murdered his wife and unborn son, I wonder what his point of desperation was? Financial gain? Premeditated?

Murdering not one human being, but two? Seems like such an awful and "desperate" thing to do---wouldn't you agree?

[Cardinal]

Sadly enough Im referring to murder and to the murder in this case, and I'm referring to women who do desperate things, such as using circumstances to take an innocent child away from her father. Now that is a desperate woman. Do you agree?

No, I don't agree. Whether or not Jason Young is guilty of Michelle's murder, he willingly agreed to give up custody of Cassidy. Without a hearing or any further legal proceedings. Meredith having custody of Cassidy reeks more of Jason's desperation than anyone else's, IMO.

[Stellagant]

I think we've already had this discussion but, for your benefit, here we go again. Shoe prints can only be identical if they're made at the same moment. If they are made at a different time, for example, three months apart, the best that can be said is that they appear to be the same. That is, the size, make, and wear pattern appear the same. In terms of what is acceptable in shoe print evidence, you will not find a statement saying that a shoe print made in September and the a print made from the same shoe in November are identical, but rather they they appear to be the same.

I take issue with the fact you intentionally lie about the content of a search warrant. The search warrant DID NOT contain your quote "the footwear impression MATCHED footprints in the wood stain."

The search warrant said no such thing. It clearly states more analysis was needed. What do you hope to accomplish by intentionally misrepresenting a legal document over and over?

The search warrant very clearly states:
Further comparisons are being made by Agent Murray in an attempt to determine if the footwear impressions in stain are the same as the "Franklin" brand athletic shoes identified in the crime scene."


Originally Posted by Jester
~snipped for response~

For example, I have read the following in search warrants:

"The other footwear impression matched footprints in the wood stain used on the couple's backyard deck."

Links to actual warrants: http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/story/3914719/

[Stellagant]

No, I don't agree. Whether or not Jason Young is guilty of Michelle's murder, he willingly agreed to give up custody of Cassidy. Without a hearing or any further legal proceedings. Meredith having custody of Cassidy reeks more of Jason's desperation than anyone else's, IMO.

Jason didn't give up custody of his child, he agreed to share her. Why did the Fishers agree to his terms? Has there ever been a similar case where in-laws believed the father was the killer of their daughter and grandchild, waited two years and still didn't push for sole custody?

[Stellagant]

In my reading of this case, someone said Jason did not stain the deck after he brought the house. If that is true did the detectives check the shoes of former owners ? What,s that poster trying to prove ?

The warrant about the shoes and deck stain was served several years ago. Still no arrest tells me that it didn't lead to evidence.

[Stellagant]

No, I don't know of anything like that. Whether or not anyone in the family is guilty, the inlaws did rip that little girl away from her father. Without any feelings for the little girl. This reeks of desperation and I don't know how the inlaws can sleep at night. Maybe they don't sleep well. You think the inlaws were also after the money? If so may the money rot their souls.

We don't know that the agreement is still in effect. Her counselor could easily intervene on her behalf and so could the state. All kept private because of her age.

Insurance companies aren't quite that willing to write big checks before murders are solved. I bet it hasn't been paid out. It still was a fairly new policy when Michelle died.

[Cardinal]

I cannot imagine myself desperate enough to rip a child away from her father, maybe you can. I think the father did not 'willingly' give up custody. He could not imagine someone desperate enough to use our legal system to do it. I cannot imagine a legal system that would allow it, but it does exist. And some desperate people will use it. Can you admire such a desperate person?

And I cannot imagine myself desperate enough to hand over my child, the "center of my universe", to anyone, simply to avoid opening my mouth in a legal proceeding. Can you admire such a desperate person?

[Stellagant]

And I cannot imagine myself desperate enough to hand over my child, the "center of my universe", to anyone, simply to avoid opening my mouth in a legal proceeding. Can you admire such a desperate person?


The Fishers accepted his terms to avoid opening their mouths in a legal proceeding they waited two years to initiate rather than immediately fight for full-custody of a grandchild from a parent they believe is a killer. Their actions don't reflect a genuine interest in the child, IMO.

[Stellagant]

Maybe when the girl is old enough to realize what was done to her and why. She will tell te inlaws to keep the money. That would show character.

The inlaws have no claim to the money and I don't believe the child is with them now.

[Stellagant]

I'm bad. I thought the inlaws had the child most of the time and had all the money.

There was a settlement agreement that included a period of transition for the child. As Jason's attorney wisely knew, kids that age don't adjust well emotionally to being yanked from an only parent and the child already was seeing a therapist. The Fishers signed an agreement that pretty much ensured the child wouldn't stay with them long-term.

The Judge in the wrongful death case didn't give the insurance money to the in-laws, he gave the decision to the insurance company. Any life insurance company does have the right to conduct their own extensive investigation to see if the insurance was purchased with the intent to murder the insured. If they decide it was, they won't pay the benefit or will insist on litigating it.

[Doorbell]

Stellagant, upon what do you base your opinion that Michelle's daughter is no longer living with her aunt?

[Jester]

I take issue with the fact you intentionally lie about the content of a search warrant. The search warrant DID NOT contain your quote "the footwear impression MATCHED footprints in the wood stain."

The search warrant said no such thing. It clearly states more analysis was needed. What do you hope to accomplish by intentionally misrepresenting a legal document over and over?

The search warrant very clearly states:
Further comparisons are being made by Agent Murray in an attempt to determine if the footwear impressions in stain are the same as the "Franklin" brand athletic shoes identified in the crime scene."


Originally Posted by Jester
~snipped for response~

For example, I have read the following in search warrants:

"The other footwear impression matched footprints in the wood stain used on the couple's backyard deck."

Links to actual warrants: http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/story/3914719/

I directly quoted the article on the page that I linked. If you disagree with the article, you should take it up with the author.

I, in fact, have not misrepresented, nor misquoted, the text of the linked article.

[Jester]

He did what he had to do. The inlaws did not. They did what they wanted to do. So yes. I can admire a person who does what he has to do. I have nothing but disgust toward anyone who deliberately harm's a child. Do you deny the child has been harmed by the inlaws? I think you are smart enough to see that the inlaws did it on purpose. They werent concerned with the innocent bystander.

If Jason had done what he had to do, he would have spoken with police after his pregnant wife was found murdered. He did not. If he had done what he had to do, he would have answered the phone when his mother in law was frantically phoning the day Michelle was found lifeless and in a pool of blood. He did not. If Jason had done what he had to do, he would not have had so many girlfriends while he was married. There are too many things that Jason should have done and which he did not do.

The inlaws did what they had to do, and that is to ensure that Michelle's daughter knows about her mom, her mom's family, and her mom's life. For the most part, the child was not permitted this while in the care of her father. In the care of her father, contact was limited and short supervised visits, gifts were returned, and perhaps more was done to interfere with the relationship between a young child and her murdered mother's family.

[Jester]

Maybe when the girl is old enough to realize what was done to her and why. She will tell te inlaws to keep the money. That would show character.

Hopefully the child will never fully understand what was done to her mother.

[Jester]

In case there is any question whether I am lying, here are several quotes from a second, independent source saying the same thing about Jason's footprints, and DNA in the blood on the wall.

"The warrants, unsealed Monday, also show police found DNA evidence belonging to Jason Young in blood spatter at the crime scene and bloody shoe prints on a pillow there inside the couple's home at 5108 Birchleaf Drive."

"Investigators also identified two footprints on a pillow at the crime scene – one made by a Franklin athletic shoe and another made by a Hush Puppies brand shoe."

Similar impressions of shoe prints were found on some stained decking boards during a search of the home more than a year later, investigators said."

"Records show that Jason Young purchased four pairs of shoes on July 4, 2005, including Hush Puppies with the same sole style as that found at the crime scene. The warrants, however, did not indicate whether police found the Hush Puppies.

"Investigators also found DNA on a closet near where Michelle Young's body was discovered, and it matched Jason Young's. A partial DNA sample found on a jewelry box was a partial match that could not exclude Jason Young."

Michelle Young murder probe focused on husband
Jason and Michelle Young
Posted: Aug 18, 2008
RALEIGH, N.C.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3365337/

[Jester]

A third, independent source with the same information:

"In affidavits supporting the request for the search warrants, released Monday, investigators state that DNA in blood spatter on a bedroom wall near where Michelle Young's body was found matched Jason Young's."

"Shanahan, who is not involved in the case, also points to bloody shoe prints reported at the crime scene, surveillance video from a Virginia hotel of Jason Young coming and going, and a propped-open door that eliminated the need to use a traceable key card."

"Sometimes, circumstantial evidence can be more powerful than direct evidence," he said."

"From the perspective of a defense attorney, Shanahan said that if he were representing Jason Young, he would urge him not to talk to investigators."

http://www.shanahanlawgroup.com/CM/NewsArticles/WRAL-Interviews-Kieran-Shanahan.asp

[charmin 66]

A third, independent source with the same information:

"In affidavits supporting the request for the search warrants, released Monday, investigators state that DNA in blood spatter on a bedroom wall near where Michelle Young's body was found matched Jason Young's."

"Shanahan, who is not involved in the case, also points to bloody shoe prints reported at the crime scene, surveillance video from a Virginia hotel of Jason Young coming and going, and a propped-open door that eliminated the need to use a traceable key card."

"Sometimes, circumstantial evidence can be more powerful than direct evidence," he said."

"From the perspective of a defense attorney, Shanahan said that if he were representing Jason Young, he would urge him not to talk to investigators."

http://www.shanahanlawgroup.com/CM/NewsArticles/WRAL-Interviews-Kieran-Shanahan.asp

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[jerzeegirl]

I don't understand where my posts went from last night. They were deleted. I was not offensive, did not quote an offensive post and both of my posts were on topic.

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[Kat4Eagles]

[QUOTE=Cardinal;13646968]No, I don't agree. Whether or not Jason Young is guilty of Michelle's murder, he willingly agreed to give up custody of Cassidy. Without a hearing or any further legal proceedings. Meredith having custody of Cassidy reeks more of Jason's desperation than anyone else's.

<snipped>


Hi Card, let me ask you this then::

How come there has never been an ex parte emergency custody order filed, received, or granted in the state of NC to take "C" away from Jason, and to this day no one can show reason why he should not still be in her life and have joint custody?

He is supposed to be the "killer" , right?

Even after he failed to respond to the custody suit..

Even after being named a slayer in a civil suit.

And, especially after the fact that the child was thought to be a witness to her Mother's tragic murder.

Jason still has acess to "C", whether it is weekends/ vacations/holidays.

Someone is still standing by letting her be in this "killer's" life.

Why is that?

Ex parte emergency custody orders can be be ordered for much less.

What could be worse than letting a child remain with a "killer", become closer and attached to a "killer" ?

There is absolutely no possible reason or excuse to be made for not having an arrest by now......

All the excuses have ran out.


JMO
:shrug:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

The Fishers accepted his terms to avoid opening their mouths in a legal proceeding they waited two years to initiate rather than immediately fight for full-custody of a grandchild from a parent they believe is a killer. Their actions don't reflect a genuine interest in the child, IMO.


Which means, no one , to this day, is worried about Michelle's daughter being with Jason.

Even though he is known to travel frequently..

Amazing...
:confused:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

IIRC, the GJ meets Nov 10, Nov 24 and Dec 8th??? Someone can correct me if those dates are wrong. TIA


They have met 26 times a year for over three long years now.
This could be it though...
These dates could be the one.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Jason has no alibi for the time of the crime. He had means, opportunity, and motive to murder his pregnant wife.


<snipped>

If that were true, and Jason's alibi did not hold up, or if his blood was positively matched in the splatter, or it were only his bloody footprints, or his car was really in the driveway in the middle of the nite, or Michelle's blood was in his car, this case would not be in the old or cold case files, would it?
And, people would still be following it.

Kat

[freejason]

Kat,Kat,Kat...........

"C" is safe with Jason.....if he was going to kill her, he would have done it when he slayed Michelle.

He gave her to Fishers, because he would not testify to keep her - might incriminate himself. Now he's free of her, free of Michelle, free of the home mortgages.....just him and his mommy and their little trips.

Unfortunately, he can't get the insurance money, because he would have to be "deposed" in order to get it - and, we all know, THAT'S not going to happen.

It's all falling in line, Kat............he is living in his own little "Hell" now and he'll be living in North Carolina's Hell in due time...otherwise, known as Prison.

Life will be very long and very hard for Mr. Jason Young.

[lilismom]

[QUOTE=Cardinal;13646968]No, I don't agree. Whether or not Jason Young is guilty of Michelle's murder, he willingly agreed to give up custody of Cassidy. Without a hearing or any further legal proceedings. Meredith having custody of Cassidy reeks more of Jason's desperation than anyone else's.

<snipped>


Hi Card, let me ask you this then::

How come there has never been an ex parte emergency custody order filed, received, or granted in the state of NC to take "C" away from Jason, and to this day no one can show reason why he should not still be in her life and have joint custody?

He is supposed to be the "killer" , right?

Even after he failed to respond to the custody suit..

Even after being named a slayer in a civil suit.

And, especially after the fact that the child was thought to be a witness to her Mother's tragic murder.

Jason still has acess to "C", whether it is weekends/ vacations/holidays.

Someone is still standing by letting her be in this "killer's" life.

Why is that?

Ex parte emergency custody orders can be be ordered for much less.

What could be worse than letting a child remain with a "killer", become closer and attached to a "killer" ?

There is absolutely no possible reason or excuse to be made for not having an arrest by now......

All the excuses have ran out.


JMO
:shrug:

Kat


Seems to me the transition period and the limited visitation he has with "C" is more about her than it is about him. I bet every single person involved would like to have her kept from him completely but that's probably not in her best interest. This is about her, not him, IMO. He's her dad. She doesn't know all the things that we know/or don't know/or refuse to see about Jason. I really don't believe he is any threat to her though.

IMO,
Lilismom

[lilismom]

<snipped>

If that were true, and Jason's alibi did not hold up, or if his blood was positively matched in the splatter, or it were only his bloody footprints, or his car was really in the driveway in the middle of the nite, or Michelle's blood was in his car, this case would not be in the old or cold case files, would it?
And, people would still be following it.

Kat


Maybe you're not, but plenty of people are still following and waiting...

IMO,
Lilismom

[Kat4Eagles]

[QUOTE=Kat4Eagles;13652769]


Seems to me the transition period and the limited visitation he has with "C" is more about her than it is about him. I bet every single person involved would like to have her kept from him completely but that's probably not in her best interest. This is about her, not him, IMO. He's her dad. She doesn't know all the things that we know/or don't know/or refuse to see about Jason. I really don't believe he is any threat to her though.

IMO,
Lilismom



Transition period? Between a father who supposedly killed his wife and the child who supposedly witnessed the murder?

There should have been a emergency custody hearing way back in Nov.....2006 to remove Michelle's daughter into either protective custody or placed with a relative until Jason was cleared or officially named a suspect.

There would be no need for a transition period for letting a child live and be raised by someone who some think is a "killer".

And, because that did not happen, "C" was allowed to be raised by Jason and his family, and that later taken away from him.....

What the heck was everyone thinking anyway?
Who got to make the decision that C is/was safe?
What a huge gamble to play with a child's life that way...

But,then again, almost everything in this case didn't happen like it was supposed to, did it?

Couldn't get an arrest, so they settled on the lesser civil charge as slayer.

It 's like "C" was used as a pawn for LE to scare the killer into thinking she saw the murder, and later to be used as a tactic
of scaring Jason that he would be losing her forever.

I am beginning to understand now why he settled !!
And, because this didn't play out the way it was supposed to, and there has been no arrest, and "imminent" and "soon" have lost all meaning,whatsoever, and this case is exactly where it should be............

Unsolved....three long years later.....

Wow.
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Maybe you're not, but plenty of people are still following and waiting...

IMO,
Lilismom

What exactly is there left to follow?
Those that read @ IS and other forums still want justice for Michelle, including me.

Unfounded rumors that something was about to happen, that the case was going to break?

Wait, I know.!!
The reason the case was on hold for another year was because the assistant DA was busy on another case of greater importance but they would be back in Sept....2009, review this case and then take it straight to the GJ, get their indictment and arrest.

Only problem with that theory is, it is now mid~Nov......2009....

It sure must be harder to prove this "slam dunk" case than anyone ever thought......

JMO
Kat

[lilismom]

[QUOTE=lilismom;13653038]



Couldn't get an arrest, so they settled on the lesser civil charge as slayer.
Kat

Snipped.

Settled? Call it what you want but they now have custody of their murdered sister/daughter's only surviving child without too much of a fight from her only parent. For now, I guess that has to be good enough.

Since I started this thread and asked that it not turn into this, I'll bow out now and wish you all a nice day.

IMO,
Lilismom

[Kat4Eagles]

Kat,Kat,Kat...........

"C" is safe with Jason.....if he was going to kill her, he would have done it when he slayed Michelle.

He gave her to Fishers, because he would not testify to keep her - might incriminate himself. Now he's free of her, free of Michelle, free of the home mortgages.....just him and his mommy and their little trips.

Unfortunately, he can't get the insurance money, because he would have to be "deposed" in order to get it - and, we all know, THAT'S not going to happen.

It's all falling in line, Kat............he is living in his own little "Hell" now and he'll be living in North Carolina's Hell in due time...otherwise, known as Prison.

Life will be very long and very hard for Mr. Jason Young.


There was never a guarantee that C was safe, Free........never.

Especially if the killer thought she was asleep, and it was only later when LE announced she could be a potential witness to the murder, that the killer could decide to silence her.

And, again, what was the reaction C had when she saw Jason when he came back to Raleigh to pick her up that nite?

We never heard she was scared of him, or that she started screaming and kicking at him that he killed Mommy and refused to go near him?

Did we?

Everytime I read that there is so much more the DA has on Jason, I am like, huh?

Who can't get an arrest on a previous auto murder attempt, a near drowing, a miilion dollar life insurance policy, an affair, a witness that puts him and his car in the driveway, a hotel video that shows him leaving a hotel, his dna at the murder scene, and Michelle's blood in his car.....

If it were true, if any of it were true........

Cause eventually you have to put all this stuff together.
Implications and unfounded rumors won't get you an indictment.
And, it hasn't, has it?


Kat

ETA

Jason doesn't look like he is in hell to me, last time I saw his pic he was playing bball..........

[Kat4Eagles]

[QUOTE=Kat4Eagles;13653342]

Snipped.

Settled? Call it what you want but they now have custody of their murdered sister/daughter's only surviving child without too much of a fight from her only parent. For now, I guess that has to be good enough.

Since I started this thread and asked that it not turn into this, I'll bow out now and wish you all a nice day.

IMO,
Lilismom


It hasn't turned into anything but posters expressing their opinions
on why this has taken three + long years............in a very respectful way.
:patriot:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

The Fishers accepted his terms to avoid opening their mouths in a legal proceeding they waited two years to initiate rather than immediately fight for full-custody of a grandchild from a parent they believe is a killer. Their actions don't reflect a genuine interest in the child, IMO.


See, this is what I don't understand and have never understood.

No petition for the safety of the child was ever filed until after the civil suit 2 years later!!

Why..??

If there is even the slightest chance a child may be in danger, you can at least request a hearing......


Especially for a child whose Mom has been murdered when they were in the home together and may have been a witness..

And, if that is not enough reason,then, what about when after the s/w's were unsealed and charges were made that the child may have been drugged by the killer...........?

But, no one does anything, not the Fishers, not other family or friends, not LE , not any agency......

No one can go talk to a Judge, and say,

" Look we have a case we are working on, not sure where it is going, but it doesn't look too good for the child's Dad, and we don't feel right about turning her over to him,so, until we can investigate some more, could you grant us an emergency order until we see where this is going, just to make sure she will be okay...?"


Even if that motion is denied, couldn't one have been made?

To this day, I will never figure out why this wasn't done,and who had the right to play so carelessly with the decisions and life of C. Young........

:no:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

The warrant about the shoes and deck stain was served several years ago. Still no arrest tells me that it didn't lead to evidence.


There are still too many loose ends.
Instead of a missing piece of the puzzle, I think there are pieces that simply do not fit.

The timeline has never worked for me, pre~med doesn't work for me, killing Michelle to be with MM doesn't work for me, that would also lead to killing SM, if that were the case.

To collect the million dollars doesn't work , because no insurance company is just going to hand over the money.
The kind of rage the killer had for Michelle doesn't get that heated after driving for miles and miles.
And, who says the rage for Michelle even had to be personal?
It could have been a robbery or someone that knew Jason was out of town, thought it would be easy and encountered a stuggle with Michelle that they were not expecting that caused the rage.

What kind of killer goes to Cracker Barrel before killing someone?

What kind of killer hangs out at the hotel an hour after checking in
when they know they have at least a 6 hour drive, a murder, a cleanup, disposing of evidence, can afford no mistakes, no witnesses, or their alibi is blown.

I can see why they can't wrap this up.

There is once again , the question of C.
Even if she was cleaned up at 3-4 am, how could she still be that way at 1:30 pm when found?

How can you prove she was drugged when the 911 call shows her to be, bright, alert and chatty...

Did they take her to a hospital or a doctor for any testing?

I have pretty much given up following this case, because of all the misinformation and the insider promises of things to happen that never did.

I hope not another anniversary will go by......

JMO

Kat

[fiver]

There hasn't been an arrest in this case?

What in the world.

I mean if there is ample CE, why hasn't the DA taken the case to the GJ?

[Kat4Eagles]

There hasn't been an arrest in this case?

What in the world.

I mean if there is ample CE, why hasn't the DA taken the case to the GJ?


That is a question, Fiver, no one can seem to answer...

There may not be a statute of limitations for solving this case, but the statute of limitations on excuses has long expired....

Kat

[Stellagant]

See, this is what I don't understand and have never understood.

No petition for the safety of the child was ever filed until after the civil suit 2 years later!!

Why..??

If there is even the slightest chance a child may be in danger, you can at least request a hearing......


Especially for a child whose Mom has been murdered when they were in the home together and may have been a witness..

And, if that is not enough reason,then, what about when after the s/w's were unsealed and charges were made that the child may have been drugged by the killer...........?

But, no one does anything, not the Fishers, not other family or friends, not LE , not any agency......

No one can go talk to a Judge, and say,

" Look we have a case we are working on, not sure where it is going, but it doesn't look too good for the child's Dad, and we don't feel right about turning her over to him,so, until we can investigate some more, could you grant us an emergency order until we see where this is going, just to make sure she will be okay...?"


Even if that motion is denied, couldn't one have been made?

To this day, I will never figure out why this wasn't done,and who had the right to play so carelessly with the decisions and life of C. Young........

:no:

Kat

A move for emergency temporary custody has been made in every other case where a child may have been a witness to one parent killing the other. In this case, two years elapsed and then there was a settlement because the goal was life insurance money, not welfare of the child, IMO.

[Stellagant]

There hasn't been an arrest in this case?

What in the world.

I mean if there is ample CE, why hasn't the DA taken the case to the GJ?

imo, it's because the DA knows discovery kicks in after indictment and Jason's attorney will use the hotel security video to secure a motion to dismiss.

[Leanne Weich]

A move for emergency temporary custody has been made in every other case where a child may have been a witness to one parent killing the other. In this case, two years elapsed and then there was a settlement because the goal was life insurance money, not welfare of the child, IMO.

If your theory is correct, then shame on Jason's attorney for letting him enter into a settlement agreement with such greedy people. I'm sorry but it doesn't make any sense when the life insurance policy hasn't been paid out and, if and when it is, will likely be paid to a trust account for Cassidy.

[Jester]

If your theory is correct, then shame on Jason's attorney for letting him enter into a settlement agreement with such greedy people. I'm sorry but it doesn't make any sense when the life insurance policy hasn't been paid out and, if and when it is, will likely be paid to a trust account for Cassidy.

Michelle can rest in peace knowing that she provided for her daughter.

R = requiescat
I = in
P = pace

R.I.P.

... an acronym we often use, yet rarely translate
When translated, it appears to originate with Latin; an ancient language.

[Jester]

Since I started this thread and asked ... and wish you all a nice day.

Lilismom

<respectfully snipped>

Memorial thread
R.I.P.
Ancient Languages Allowed?

[Kat4Eagles]

Michelle can rest in peace knowing that she provided for her daughter.


<snipped>
.


I think Michelle will only rest easier knowing that the person or persons that did this to her is behind bars forever.

That or the death penalty is the only punishment acceptable.
JMO

Kat

[reborn]

There hasn't been an arrest in this case?

What in the world.

I mean if there is ample CE, why hasn't the DA taken the case to the GJ?

I believe the answer to your question is there is no evidence. A shoe print from a pair of shoes Jason owned. Those shoes could have been right there in his closet and in easy reach of the real killer. A shoe print of a shoe 2 sizes to small for JY. Evidence someone else was there. Jason had an affair and Jason shared custody of his daughter with Michelle's sister. Neither is evidence of murder. Go back to the 911 call and see how LE was set up to expect someone DNA to be on a certain pillow. Makes me go humm.

[dgfred]

I believe the answer to your question is there is no evidence. A shoe print from a pair of shoes Jason owned. Those shoes could have been right there in his closet and in easy reach of the real killer. A shoe print of a shoe 2 sizes to small for JY. Evidence someone else was there. Jason had an affair and Jason shared custody of his daughter with Michelle's sister. Neither is evidence of murder. Go back to the 911 call and see how LE was set up to expect someone DNA to be on a certain pillow. Makes me go humm.

Maybe you can just let us know what you are saying about the 911 call being a set up?

[tiny paw-prints]

imo, it's because the DA knows discovery kicks in after indictment and Jason's attorney will use the hotel security video to secure a motion to dismiss.

that experiment won't fly. remember what happened to the bloody sock experiment?

[reborn]

that experiment won't fly. remember what happened to the bloody sock experiment?

Nothing happened with the bloody socks. Thats why the investigation is such a joke. The socks were left in the bathroom. Clean baby bloody socks. Something tells me LE should have been trying to find out how long the socks had been in the bath room. Was the blood wet or dry on them? How about bloody sheets? Did Michelle draw blood on her attacker and some was on the sheets? We will never know they were left behind . LE checked JY's car the day of the murder. They checked Michelle's 5 months later. They said no blood in Michelle's car so that showed their suspect didn't use the car. Wonder how many times Michelle's car was detailed in those 5 months?

[Kat4Eagles]

Nothing happened with the bloody socks. Thats why the investigation is such a joke. The socks were left in the bathroom. Clean baby bloody socks. Something tells me LE should have been trying to find out how long the socks had been in the bath room. Was the blood wet or dry on them? How about bloody sheets? Did Michelle draw blood on her attacker and some was on the sheets? We will never know they were left behind . LE checked JY's car the day of the murder. They checked Michelle's 5 months later. They said no blood in Michelle's car so that showed their suspect didn't use the car. Wonder how many times Michelle's car was detailed in those 5 months?


What about those therapist notes?
Weren't they supposed to be the bombshell in this case?
The ones that were predicted to seal the deal?

Guess not, huh?

:confused:

Kat

[Stellagant]

What about those therapist notes?
Weren't they supposed to be the bombshell in this case?
The ones that were predicted to seal the deal?

Guess not, huh?

:confused:

Kat

Keep in mind the Judge only allowed the DA's investigator to review the material. The WCSO hasn't reviewed it. There's security video and therapist's notes, a suspicious 911 call and a child without any blood on her. I think the only way the WCSO will ever manage to arrest Jason is if the hotel security video mysteriously vanishes from the evidence vault.

[Stellagant]

I believe the answer to your question is there is no evidence. A shoe print from a pair of shoes Jason owned. Those shoes could have been right there in his closet and in easy reach of the real killer. A shoe print of a shoe 2 sizes to small for JY. Evidence someone else was there. Jason had an affair and Jason shared custody of his daughter with Michelle's sister. Neither is evidence of murder. Go back to the 911 call and see how LE was set up to expect someone DNA to be on a certain pillow. Makes me go humm.

It would make a jury react the same way. The DA knows that there is not any way to persuade an entire jury that Jason was a killer who stepped on a pillow twice, wearing two different brands and sizes of shoes. The DA would be laughed out of court.

[jerry50]

I believe the answer to your question is there is no evidence. A shoe print from a pair of shoes Jason owned. Those shoes could have been right there in his closet and in easy reach of the real killer. A shoe print of a shoe 2 sizes to small for JY. Evidence someone else was there. Jason had an affair and Jason shared custody of his daughter with Michelle's sister. Neither is evidence of murder. Go back to the 911 call and see how LE was set up to expect someone DNA to be on a certain pillow. Makes me go humm.


IIRC the pillow that Meredith was talking about was on the bed not the floor where the pillow with the footprints was found.
The pillow with the footprints seems more like a plant from the killer to throw off LE. For the killer to leave such an incriminating piece of evidence behind doesn't speak well of his intelligence.
Since LE was able to tell what kind if shoes they were sounds more like planted evidence. If they were actually left in a struggle I would think that they would be smudged and smeared. There wasn't much space between the bed and the wall where Michelle was beaten. It seems rather odd that two killers could leave such reconizable marks on the same piece of "soft" evidence.

[Kat4Eagles]

IIRC the pillow that Meredith was talking about was on the bed not the floor where the pillow with the footprints was found.
The pillow with the footprints seems more like a plant from the killer to throw off LE. For the killer to leave such an incriminating piece of evidence behind doesn't speak well of his intelligence.
Since LE was able to tell what kind if shoes they were sounds more like planted evidence. If they were actually left in a struggle I would think that they would be smudged and smeared. There wasn't much space between the bed and the wall where Michelle was beaten. It seems rather odd that two killers could leave such reconizable marks on the same piece of "soft" evidence.



I really don't think it was ever clear which pillow she was talking about, since so much of the call was about her...

I would think if the only thing holding up this case is the 2 sets of footprints, if that is what the delay is about, the DA should be able to work around that, if.........you have:

Michelle's blood in Jay's car
Proof he left the hotel
News carrier placing him back in Raleigh
His DNA in blood splatter

If this case hits 2010, good luck...
:(

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

It would make a jury react the same way. The DA knows that there is not any way to persuade an entire jury that Jason was a killer who stepped on a pillow twice, wearing two different brands and sizes of shoes. The DA would be laughed out of court.

Something is wrong, that's for sure...Stella!!

I remember the last time the thread for Michelle was open back in August, we were assured that this case would be solved early Sept, when the assistant DA would return and get right to work on wrapping it up and getting an arrest!!
So much for that credible info!!


Kat

[tiny paw-prints]

There hasn't been an arrest in this case?

What in the world.

I mean if there is ample CE, why hasn't the DA taken the case to the GJ?

As they were gathering and testing ample CE, I think it's possible that additional criminal behaviors had been learned and brought to the table of investigators during the past 2-3 years. Therefore, I think it's highly possible that several people may be arrested, either directly or indirectly stemming from the murder. Kinda like the domino effect!

Based upon my above opinion, I'm not totally surprised that Jason has never talked!!! Until he's arrested, he doesn't have any reason to "talk" or snitch or squeal. IMO.

[tiny paw-prints]

Something is wrong, that's for sure...Stella!!

I remember the last time the thread for Michelle was open back in August, we were assured that this case would be solved early Sept, when the assistant DA would return and get right to work on wrapping it up and getting an arrest!!
So much for that credible info!!


Kat

I think it's quite interesting that the "credible info" released might have been a way in which the investigators were operating so that certain people would maybe let their guard down and relax and talk amongst themselves and maybe even brag a little bit, wouldn't you agree?

I continue to have a lot of respect for Mr. Willoughby and Ms. Holt regarding this case. Also, I recall that Amber Frey played a significant role in assisting the investigators by getting into the mindset of Scott Peterson, and I sometimes wonder if one of the players like Michelle Money may be working with the prosecution team.

[tiny paw-prints]

Keep in mind the Judge only allowed the DA's investigator to review the material. The WCSO hasn't reviewed it. There's security video and therapist's notes, a suspicious 911 call and a child without any blood on her. I think the only way the WCSO will ever manage to arrest Jason is if the hotel security video mysteriously vanishes from the evidence vault.

..." mysteriously vanishes from the evidence vault." huh???

that happened many many moons ago!! and today you only see it happening during a movie flick, imo. nowadays, they can easily copy the original and transfer it onto disc and make several copies, so that the other investigators and experts can study it and hopefully glean additional info.

[tiny paw-prints]

That is a question, Fiver, no one can seem to answer...

There may not be a statute of limitations for solving this case, but the statute of limitations on excuses has long expired....

Kat

I wonder what Jason's "excuses" have been for never assisting in the investigation of his dead wife and unborn son?

Also, I think the "statute of limitations" has "long expired" for those few people who try to get this board shut down during the past 3 years, IMO. Honestly, I'm surprised it's still open, aren't you?

[tiny paw-prints]

What about those therapist notes?
Weren't they supposed to be the bombshell in this case?
The ones that were predicted to seal the deal?

Guess not, huh?

:confused:

Kat

I wonder what Cassidy remembers about the tiny bloody baby socks??

tonight on Dateline ....."A Child's Haunting Memories"

http://insidedateline.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/11/19/2132185.aspx

[Stellagant]

IIRC the pillow that Meredith was talking about was on the bed not the floor where the pillow with the footprints was found.
The pillow with the footprints seems more like a plant from the killer to throw off LE. For the killer to leave such an incriminating piece of evidence behind doesn't speak well of his intelligence.
Since LE was able to tell what kind if shoes they were sounds more like planted evidence. If they were actually left in a struggle I would think that they would be smudged and smeared. There wasn't much space between the bed and the wall where Michelle was beaten. It seems rather odd that two killers could leave such reconizable marks on the same piece of "soft" evidence.

What's odd are posters who claim to know crime scene details never released by LE. No wonder LE monitor these forums.

Meredith never said where the pillow was located and neither has LE.

Incriminating evidence usually produces an arrest. No arrest in this case more than three years later.

LE has never released how much space was between the bed and wall.

LE has never released where exactly the pillow was located.

[marley]

What's odd are posters who claim to know crime scene details never released by LE. No wonder LE monitor these forums.

Meredith never said where the pillow was located and neither has LE.

Incriminating evidence usually produces an arrest. No arrest in this case more than three years later.

LE has never released how much space was between the bed and wall.

LE has never released where exactly the pillow was located.

Hello.

I just wanted to let you know that this case is still very active. Jason Young will be arrested. It may not happen as quick as any of us would like, but it will happen. There is much going on behind the scenes-info that is not made available to the public-I'm sorry we cannot give you more, but I assure you that this man, who was found guilty in a civil trial of murder, will be charged by Wake Cty and behind bars eventually.

[reborn]

Hello.

I just wanted to let you know that this case is still very active. Jason Young will be arrested. It may not happen as quick as any of us would like, but it will happen. There is much going on behind the scenes-info that is not made available to the public-I'm sorry we cannot give you more, but I assure you that this man, who was found guilty in a civil trial of murder, will be charged by Wake Cty and behind bars eventually.

Spivey, you've wasted 3 years trying to get JY for this murder , why don't you just admit you were wrong and get to work on the real killers? If you are wondering what gave you away it was your sentence
"I'm sorry we cannot give you more" You are the only one that has made public statements about this case. I don't find your assurance very comforting since its been 3 years and your boss refuses to even name him a suspect. There are those that still have hope in your opinion that JY is the killer but we the public would like to see proof not your opinion.

[Kat4Eagles]

Spivey, you've wasted 3 years trying to get JY for this murder , why don't you just admit you were wrong and get to work on the real killers? If you are wondering what gave you away it was your sentence
"I'm sorry we cannot give you more" You are the only one that has made public statements about this case. I don't find your assurance very comforting since its been 3 years and your boss refuses to even name him a suspect. There are those that still have hope in your opinion that JY is the killer but we the public would like to see proof not your opinion.


Hi Reborn:seeya:

I doubt any "real" detective or law enforcement officer would need to try to defend why there has not been an arrest on a message board, would you?

A "real" detective or LE wouldn't care what the public thought , this is a murder case........a "real" family is waiting patiently for "real" results..

Clearly, something is wrong though when someone needs to make that statement without anything to back it up........

Hey, we can give them points for trying !!

:)
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Hello.

I just wanted to let you know that this case is still very active. Jason Young will be arrested. It may not happen as quick as any of us would like, but it will happen. There is much going on behind the scenes-info that is not made available to the public-I'm sorry we cannot give you more, but I assure you that this man, who was found guilty in a civil trial of murder, will be charged by Wake Cty and behind bars eventually.


2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 with 6 weeks to go until 2010.
Take as long as you need.


Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Hello.

I just wanted to let you know that this case is still very active. Jason Young will be arrested. It may not happen as quick as any of us would like, but it will happen. There is much going on behind the scenes-info that is not made available to the public-I'm sorry we cannot give you more, but I assure you that this man, who was found guilty in a civil trial of murder, will be charged by Wake Cty and behind bars eventually.


Jay was not found guilty in the civil case, he failed to respond and a judgement was made, therefore, naming him the slayer..

No criminal charges have been made aginst anyone, no one has ever
been arrested, and no one has been found innocent or guilty.

A civil trial is not the same thing...as lesser proof is required.

You should know that...:no:

Kat

[Stellagant]

Hello.

I just wanted to let you know that this case is still very active. Jason Young will be arrested. It may not happen as quick as any of us would like, but it will happen. There is much going on behind the scenes-info that is not made available to the public-I'm sorry we cannot give you more, but I assure you that this man, who was found guilty in a civil trial of murder, will be charged by Wake Cty and behind bars eventually.

sure, sure. "We" know. :rolleyes:

[Kat4Eagles]

sure, sure. "We" know. :rolleyes:


:beer:

Kat

[Stellagant]

Spivey, you've wasted 3 years trying to get JY for this murder , why don't you just admit you were wrong and get to work on the real killers? If you are wondering what gave you away it was your sentence
"I'm sorry we cannot give you more" You are the only one that has made public statements about this case. I don't find your assurance very comforting since its been 3 years and your boss refuses to even name him a suspect. There are those that still have hope in your opinion that JY is the killer but we the public would like to see proof not your opinion.

This won't be the first or the last case that ill-trained sheriff's deputies have rushed to judgment rather than follow the evidence.

[Stellagant]

:beer:

Kat

Yep.

New hat, same nonsense.

Three years ago several of us heard the 911 call and predicted no arrest of Jason Young.

[marley]

2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 with 6 weeks to go until 2010.
Take as long as you need.


Kat


It may take longer. I only want to assure those who are interested in justice for Michelle Young and her unborn child, that justice will be served and Mr. Young will have to face a judge. Its frustrating, I'm sure, for the public to have to wait so long, but I assure you, an arrest will be made. Your frustration is understandable.

[marley]

This won't be the first or the last case that ill-trained sheriff's deputies have rushed to judgment rather than follow the evidence.


Stellagant, you can hardly call it a "rush to judgement" when its taken 3 years. All avenues have been thoroughly investigated. When an arrest is made, it will be the right person.

[marley]

Jay was not found guilty in the civil case, he failed to respond and a judgement was made, therefore, naming him the slayer..

No criminal charges have been made aginst anyone, no one has ever
been arrested, and no one has been found innocent or guilty.

A civil trial is not the same thing...as lesser proof is required.

You should know that...:no:

Kat

Why would an innocent man "fail to respond"? Ask yourself that question.

Answering to the Civil charges would have created more questions that Jason would have had to answer. He was being very, very smart by not responding.

You should know that :no:

[Kat4Eagles]

It may take longer. I only want to assure those who are interested in justice for Michelle Young and her unborn child, that justice will be served and Mr. Young will have to face a judge. Its frustrating, I'm sure, for the public to have to wait so long, but I assure you, an arrest will be made. Your frustration is understandable.


It is not me you should worry about.
I predicted long ago this case would take a long time!!
So, proving me right only adds to your frustration, not mine!!

:biggrin:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Why would an innocent man "fail to respond"? Ask yourself that question.

Answering to the Civil charges would have created more questions that Jason would have had to answer. He was being very, very smart by not responding.

You should know that :no:


I don't need to ask any questions about a murder case that has gone on far too long, except to wonder why the need for assuring people that something will happen, when it never does.
:confused:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Yep.

New hat, same nonsense.

Three years ago several of us heard the 911 call and predicted no arrest of Jason Young.


Gosh, I know, think of all this other stuff!!!

The assistant DA was too busy to work on the case for a year.!!

Friends and family of Michelle's are happy with how long the investigation is taking....:rolleyes:

LE returned from Brevard with huge smiles on their faces 2 years ago !!

When the case breaks, there will be national media arriving in Raleigh, with books written and movies made, and people becoming famous.

I can't wait, can you.?
The Caylee Anthony case/ trial will probably go unnoticed though.

:(

Kat

[BSNBREVARDNC]

It is not me you should worry about.
I predicted long ago this case would take a long time!!
So, proving me right only adds to your frustration, not mine!!

:biggrin:

Kat

Hey guys.
It sure is nice to be home for the holidays!!!

Now back to business.

Do what?

You predicted long ago this case would take a long time but you complain about how long the case is taking. Am I missing something here?

[Stellagant]

Stellagant, you can hardly call it a "rush to judgement" when its taken 3 years. All avenues have been thoroughly investigated. When an arrest is made, it will be the right person.

You have no clue what you are talking about. It's a classic case of "rush to judgment" whether you want to accept it or not. A rush to judgment means all avenues are not immediately and thoroughly investigated which is why a case remains unsolved.

[Stellagant]

Why would an innocent man "fail to respond"? Ask yourself that question.

Answering to the Civil charges would have created more questions that Jason would have had to answer. He was being very, very smart by not responding.

You should know that :no:

A more important question is why would a grandparent who believes the defendant is the killer of her child and grandchild wait two years to file for custody and then settle before Jason's deadline to provide the required response? No jury would be supportive of such delays and inaction from a grandparent who claims to be only looking out for the child.

[Stellagant]

Gosh, I know, think of all this other stuff!!!

The assistant DA was too busy to work on the case for a year.!!

Friends and family of Michelle's are happy with how long the investigation is taking....:rolleyes:

LE returned from Brevard with huge smiles on their faces 2 years ago !!

When the case breaks, there will be national media arriving in Raleigh, with books written and movies made, and people becoming famous.

I can't wait, can you.?
The Caylee Anthony case/ trial will probably go unnoticed though.

:(

Kat

Didn't that assistant DA supposedly return two months ago? Still no arrest. What's the latest excuse? :lol:

[Stellagant]

It is not me you should worry about.
I predicted long ago this case would take a long time!!
So, proving me right only adds to your frustration, not mine!!

:biggrin:

Kat

How many years have some of us said the case will take 'til the 12th of Never if they continue to focus on Jason and only Jason? Have you kept count? LOL

[Stellagant]

It may take longer. I only want to assure those who are interested in justice for Michelle Young and her unborn child, that justice will be served and Mr. Young will have to face a judge. Its frustrating, I'm sure, for the public to have to wait so long, but I assure you, an arrest will be made. Your frustration is understandable.

It must be frustrating to waste so many years and money on a case that doesn't result in a profit. As the tabloids stop returning the calls of amateur sleuths who continue to take pictures of basketball games, roads and rivers it also must be frustrating to see we, the public, turn to new cases.

[HenLee]

An arrest does not rest on any one piece of evidence. Circumstantial evidence includes the big picture. Jason used his room key once. He didn't use the key again. Therefore, he didn't enter his room after midnight. We don't know where, or if, he slept that night. We do know that he appeared disturbed during and after his morning meeting. We do know that he had time to murder his wife. We do know that a light colored SUV was seen at his house in the early morning hours by the paper delivery guy. Jason had a light colored SUV. We know that Jason, out of character, asked his sister in law to retrieve a completely irrelevant document. We know that during that document retrieval, she discovered her murdered sister.

In addition to having no alibi, Jason's DNA was found in blood smears on the wall near the floor beside his murdered wife, and murder scene footprints match those on the back deck - the deck that Jason re-finished.

Maybe Jason is an innocent guy, an unlucky guy, and maybe all evidence points toward him.
Just found this board and only have a question.
Can someone tell me what kind of car Meredith drove?

[Breakingnews]

A honda, an accord I think...compact car.

[jerry50]

Jay was not found guilty in the civil case, he failed to respond and a judgement was made, therefore, naming him the slayer..

No criminal charges have been made aginst anyone, no one has ever
been arrested, and no one has been found innocent or guilty.

A civil trial is not the same thing...as lesser proof is required.

You should know that...:no:

Kat

Your statement seems to imply that JY was named the slayer just because he failed to show up and respond to the civil suit. He was named the slayer because of information and testimony that would lead a person to form an opinion that he was more than likely the killer.

JY was given notice of the hearing and he had every opportunity to refute any of the accusations that were made. He chose not to do that.

Concerning Linda not filing for custody sooner, I think it is highly likely that she didn't file because she did not want to disrupt Cassidy's life any further than what had already take place. Cassidy had already spent hours with her bloodied dead Mother looking for band aids for Michelle's boo boos. Her last memories of her Mother are horrific to think about. Fighting to take her away from JY would not have helped Cassidy at all at that point. JMO

[Stellagant]

Your statement seems to imply that JY was named the slayer just because he failed to show up and respond to the civil suit. He was named the slayer because of information and testimony that would lead a person to form an opinion that he was more than likely the killer.

JY was given notice of the hearing and he had every opportunity to refute any of the accusations that were made. He chose not to do that.

Concerning Linda not filing for custody sooner, I think it is highly likely that she didn't file because she did not want to disrupt Cassidy's life any further than what had already take place. Cassidy had already spent hours with her bloodied dead Mother looking for band aids for Michelle's boo boos. Her last memories of her Mother are horrific to think about. Fighting to take her away from JY would not have helped Cassidy at all at that point. JMO

Kat4Eagles is correct. Jason had a default judgment entered against him after he failed to respond to the civil lawsuit. The Judge had no choice but to follow the law. The Judge, however, did not grant Fisher's request about the life insurance. Bravo to the Judge.

It is one thing to suggest that a grandparent didn't immediately attempt to remove a child from the custody of someone who they believe slaughtered their child and another grandchild just because they did not want to "disrupt Cassidy's life any further." Fisher waited TWO YEARS. No way would a jury buy such a ridiculous argument because the timing of Fishers' actions coincide with the expiration of the two-year statute limit to go after the money.

[HenLee]

A honda, an accord I think...compact car.I read recently on another board she was driving a Lexus that looked similar to a SUV and was light in color. Anyone with info on this? Maybe marley might have the answer since he posts on the board I read it on.

[Breakingnews]

I read recently on another board she was driving a Lexus that looked similar to a SUV and was light in color. Anyone with info on this? Maybe marley might have the answer since he posts on the board I read it on.

The Lexus belonged to Michelle. Meredith drove a Honda.

[jerry50]

Kat4Eagles is correct. Jason had a default judgment entered against him after he failed to respond to the civil lawsuit. The Judge had no choice but to follow the law. The Judge, however, did not grant Fisher's request about the life insurance. Bravo to the Judge.

It is one thing to suggest that a grandparent didn't immediately attempt to remove a child from the custody of someone who they believe slaughtered their child and another grandchild just because they did not want to "disrupt Cassidy's life any further." Fisher waited TWO YEARS. No way would a jury buy such a ridiculous argument because the timing of Fishers' actions coincide with the expiration of the two-year statute limit to go after the money.

Is this the same judge who awarded Linda $15.5 million? And the same one who said JY could not get any of the insurance money? Bravo to that Judge.

[marley]

Kat4Eagles is correct. Jason had a default judgment entered against him after he failed to respond to the civil lawsuit. The Judge had no choice but to follow the law. The Judge, however, did not grant Fisher's request about the life insurance. Bravo to the Judge.

It is one thing to suggest that a grandparent didn't immediately attempt to remove a child from the custody of someone who they believe slaughtered their child and another grandchild just because they did not want to "disrupt Cassidy's life any further." Fisher waited TWO YEARS. No way would a jury buy such a ridiculous argument because the timing of Fishers' actions coincide with the expiration of the two-year statute limit to go after the money.

No. She is not correct. There is much the general public is not aware of in this case, especially regarding the timing of the civil case but your questions will be answered. I see you stated that I have no idea what I am talking about a few posts above. I assure you, I do.

[Stellagant]

I read recently on another board she was driving a Lexus that looked similar to a SUV and was light in color. Anyone with info on this? Maybe marley might have the answer since he posts on the board I read it on.


Why don't you ask that board rather than this one? Marley has a lot of answers that are a figment his imagination but yes, both the Youngs drove a vehicle that matched "light colored SUV."

[Stellagant]

Is this the same judge who awarded Linda $15.5 million? And the same one who said JY could not get any of the insurance money? Bravo to that Judge.

Yeah. None a dime paid out. Imagine that.

[Kat4Eagles]

Hey guys.
It sure is nice to be home for the holidays!!!

Now back to business.

Do what?

You predicted long ago this case would take a long time but you complain about how long the case is taking. Am I missing something here?





I have no problem with how long LE is taking, except to say they must be having a hard time.........although few will admit it.

Why is that?
I was wrong about Jason not fighting for "C," and hated the way he spoke with Kim and Michelle in his emails, and I came here and said it.
.
So, anyone who has participated on this Board would have a legitimate complaint of nothing happening after all the things that have been promised here.
Especially after 3 years.

But then again, we had to deal with someone claiming to be within the police dept, than pretended to be a reporter, then accused MF of stealing from "C"'s funds, and then all kinds of inside information that an arrest was coming, how many times now?

I can see why a lot of people have been disappointed time and time again , can't you?
But, no one ever accepts responsibilty for buiding people's hopes up...
This is why so many people have given up on the case.
Their information was not credible, not then and not now.

:confused:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Yes, she is correct and you are not correct. Bummer.




The general public is intelligent enough to know this case has encountered some major problems/difficulties that has prevented an indictment, an arrest or a conviction of anyone.
Thanxxx.
Kat

[Leanne Weich]

I have no problem with how long LE is taking, except to say they must be having a hard time.........although few will admit it.

Why is that?
I was wrong about Jason not fighting for "C," and hated the way he spoke with Kim and Michelle in his emails, and I came here and said it.
.
So, anyone who has participated on this Board would have a legitimate complaint of nothing happening after all the things that have been promised here.
Especially after 3 years.

But then again, we had to deal with someone claiming to be within the police dept, than pretended to be a reporter, then accused MF of stealing from "C"'s funds, and then all kinds of inside information that an arrest was coming, how many times now?

I can see why a lot of people have been disappointed time and time again , can't you?
But, no one ever accepts responsibilty for buiding people's hopes up...
This is why so many people have given up on the case.
Their information was not credible, not then and not now.

:confused:

Kat

Anyone who gets their hopes up because of an anonymous poster speculating that an arrest is coming in any time frame is naive, to say the least, imho.

There are still loads of people following this case and still praying for justice for Michelle and Rylan.

If everyone would only respect each other's opinions, we could still have an active forum here. Alas, it's not meant to be which has precipitated longtime posters having to find other fora to discuss this case.

I dare say if, and when, someone is arrested, things will get buzzing again here but I think a lot of people will stay away because of the way they've been treated by other posters here. It's sad that people who had and have a genuine interest in this case have been run off by people who behaved like pre-schoolers by running to CW to tattle tale. MHO.

[Kat4Eagles]

Anyone who gets their hopes up because of an anonymous poster speculating that an arrest is coming in any time frame is naive, to say the least, imho.

There are still loads of people following this case and still praying for justice for Michelle and Rylan.

If everyone would only respect each other's opinions, we could still have an active forum here. Alas, it's not meant to be which has precipitated longtime posters having to find other fora to discuss this case.

I dare say if, and when, someone is arrested, things will get buzzing again here but I think a lot of people will stay away because of the way they've been treated by other posters here. It's sad that people who had and have a genuine interest in this case have been run off by people who behaved like pre-schoolers by running to CW to tattle tale. MHO.


But, then there really isn't that much to discuss, is there?
The last s/w's known were in March, 8-9 months ago..

Anyone who thought Jason is innocent or on the fence about this case, were treated much worse
than those who believe Jason is guilty.

And, only people who break the rules get themselved banned, no one else has that power!!

Hope this helps you and them to figure that one simple fact out..!!
:seeya:
Kat

ETA: So, when someone comes here pretending to have inside information , we should just discount that too.
I thought so......
:biggrin:

[Kat4Eagles]

Just found this board and only have a question.
Can someone tell me what kind of car Meredith drove?


One of the most interesting things to come from the s/w's was the explanation needed to explain placement of car keys......Michelle's and MF's..

In fact, LE , at one time thought that little "C" may have been taken from the home for whatever reasons.

I am not sure of their position now, but like I said, it was interesting!!

Kat

[frankdrack]

Does anyone have ideas about why LE would say that they hope to make an arrest soon?

Did JY have a recent romantic breakup, or some other falling out?

Are any key potential witnesses in failing health?

Future political plans of any of the players?

With LE being extremely tight-lipped in the past, I wonder what has changed forfor the sheriff to make the prediction?

[HenLee]

It has been so long since any news has come out about this case, I am wondering if "C" is still living with Meredith or the grandmother. I have often wondered if Meredith is Bi-polar and if she would be able to handle such a huge responsibility. MOO

[enigma™]

It has been so long since any news has come out about this case, I am wondering if "C" is still living with Meredith or the grandmother. I have often wondered if Meredith is Bi-polar and if she would be able to handle such a huge responsibility. MOO

Why on earth would you wonder such a thing? Do you know her? Do you know her to appear to be unstable and unable to handle the responsibility that she apparently wanted?

Leanne, thank you for your honest and most heart-felt post. This is my last here, it has gone beyond unreasonable and is reaching beyond the sensational. I am baffled that some posts stand. I hope to catch up with you, a most reasonable poster, elsewhere.

[HenLee]

Why on earth would you wonder such a thing? Do you know her? Do you know her to appear to be unstable and unable to handle the responsibility that she apparently wanted?

Leanne, thank you for your honest and most heart-felt post. This is my last here, it has gone beyond unreasonable and is reaching beyond the sensational. I am baffled that some posts stand. I hope to catch up with you, a most reasonable poster, elsewhere.OH my, I didn't mean to upset you. Raising a young child can be so time consuming and if I remember Meredith is a single women.

[HenLee]

Does anyone have ideas about why LE would say that they hope to make an arrest soon?

Did JY have a recent romantic breakup, or some other falling out?

Are any key potential witnesses in failing health?

Future political plans of any of the players?

With LE being extremely tight-lipped in the past, I wonder what has changed forfor the sheriff to make the prediction?Gosh, I haven't heard this about the sheriff but it sounds like something he has been saying for going on 4 years now when he has no answer from a reporter.
As for as the other questions, They are not pertinent to the case as for as I am concerned. You could tell me how they are and maybe I will understand.

[5swab5]

Yeah. None a dime paid out. Imagine that.

Huh?

You expected Jason Lynn Young to own up to an Order of the Court?

DID you ALSO expect that his friends would "pay him under the table" to keep any of his earnings away from Linda/Meredith/Cassidy? Could you BELIEVE, that a man that owes 15 - PLUS MILLION dollars can vacation with impunity...anyplace...anytime he chooses?

I didn't. He didn't defend himself and assumed a default judgment to avoid a deposition about Michelle & Rylan's murders. Plain and simple.

I am AMAZED! MOO

[frankdrack]

Gosh, I haven't heard this about the sheriff but it sounds like something he has been saying for going on 4 years now when he has no answer from a reporter.
As for as the other questions, They are not pertinent to the case as for as I am concerned. You could tell me how they are and maybe I will understand.

I am trying to understand why the sheriff would suddenly say that he thought that an arrest would be coming soon.

The questions concern issues from past cases that have been sparks to get stalled cases moving forward.

[enigma™]

OH my, I didn't mean to upset you. Raising a young child can be so time consuming and if I remember Meredith is a single women.

I am not upset, I am just wondering how raising a young child, which can be time consuming, results in your diagnosis of bi-polar? Perhaps your "Meredith is a single womEn" is a clue? She is but one womAn who willingly gave of herself to raise her niece. Kudos to Meredith, she is the womAn of the year, as far as I am concerned - selfless, and willing to give up her single life to raise her niece. How many 20-somethings do you know that would do the same? Would you consider them bi-polar, also?

[Cardinal]

It has been so long since any news has come out about this case, I am wondering if "C" is still living with Meredith or the grandmother. I have often wondered if Meredith is Bi-polar and if she would be able to handle such a huge responsibility. MOO

There have been no credible reports that Cassidy is no longer living with Meredith, so I believe Meredith still has custody.

As for often wondering, I have often wondered if Jason is an egoist, since he handed over his allegedly beloved daughter simply to avoid opening his mouth. Pretty poor sense of responsibility, not to mention love, on his part, IMO.

[HenLee]

I am not upset, I am just wondering how raising a young child, which can be time consuming, results in your diagnosis of bi-polar? Perhaps your "Meredith is a single womEn" is a clue? She is but one womAn who willingly gave of herself to raise her niece. Kudos to Meredith, she is the womAn of the year, as far as I am concerned - selfless, and willing to give up her single life to raise her niece. How many 20-somethings do you know that would do the same? Would you consider them bi-polar, also?OH, I get it, the Bi-polar thought and it was just a thought, is what got you upset. Why would that upset you? There are millions of people who are struck in some mild or serious form of this illness and when treated properly live quite normal lives. If I recall even her most ardent supporters admitted she had some issues with a fund set up for her niece then her quirky my space, just a couple of examples. Anyway, I hope she is doing well and I did receive a PM that her mother was helping her out. That is good.

[5swab5]

There have been no credible reports that Cassidy is no longer living with Meredith, so I believe Meredith still has custody.

As for often wondering, I have often wondered if Jason is an egoist, since he handed over his allegedly beloved daughter simply to avoid opening his mouth. Pretty poor sense of responsibility, not to mention love, on his part, IMO.


Hi Cardinal,

I for one, am happy that someone has taken the helm. A thirty something y-old man with a small child...should have used his murdered wife's assets to reestablish himself and his surviving child. Instead of blowing the money...(instead of paying for their funerals or their headstone).... moving back in with mommy and using the poor child on the internet to troll for dates.

Just My Opinion, of course.

[HenLee]

There have been no credible reports that Cassidy is no longer living with Meredith, so I believe Meredith still has custody.

As for often wondering, I have often wondered if Jason is an egoist, since he handed over his allegedly beloved daughter simply to avoid opening his mouth. Pretty poor sense of responsibility, not to mention love, on his part, IMO.I agree Cardinal, I don't believe a person who is a target for murder of his wife should ever have to defend him self in a custody battle just so LE can get them to make statements that could be held against them in a court of law. To me that seems a bit sneaky to get around a persons right to remain silent. KWIM?

[Cardinal]

Hi Cardinal,

I for one, am happy that someone has taken the helm. A thirty something y-old man with a small child...should have used his murdered wife's assets to reestablish himself and his surviving child. Instead of blowing the money...(instead of paying for their funerals or their headstone).... moving back in with mommy and using the poor child on the internet to troll for dates.

Just My Opinion, of course.

Hi, Swabby. Given everything that has been published about Jason's parenting skills (or lack thereof), I too am glad that Meredith stepped up, likely at the expense of her own life, to give Cassidy a loving, stable home. I imagine it's very reassuring to Cassidy to once more have her own room, with her own things, that she knows will be there every time she comes home, instead of being passed from house to house.

JMO

[Cardinal]

I agree Cardinal, I don't believe a person who is a target for murder of his wife should ever have to defend him self in a custody battle just so LE can get them to make statements that could be held against them in a court of law. To me that seems a bit sneaky to get around a persons right to remain silent. KWIM?

I said nothing about Michelle's murder, HenLee. My point was that Jason refused to open his mouth in the custody proceeding in order to retain custody of his allegedly beloved ("center of his universe") daughter. That, IMO, is reprehensible.

[HenLee]

Hi Cardinal,

I for one, am happy that someone has taken the helm. A thirty something y-old man with a small child...should have used his murdered wife's assets to reestablish himself and his surviving child. Instead of blowing the money...(instead of paying for their funerals or their headstone).... moving back in with mommy and using the poor child on the internet to troll for dates.

Just My Opinion, of course.I certainly believe also the husband should have taken care of all funeral arrangements and made sure a beautiful headstone was placed in remembrance. No disagreement here. Trolling for internet dates using his daughter, well I take that with a grain of salt since I do remember how that was blown up for attention. I think many male and female has their children on these my space, face book and other dating sites.MOO

[Kat4Eagles]

I am trying to understand why the sheriff would suddenly say that he thought that an arrest would be coming soon.

The questions concern issues from past cases that have been sparks to get stalled cases moving forward.



The sheriff also said there would be an arrest "soon" in 2007, 2008, 2009.

In 2006 he was quoted as saying that they were in no hurry, something to that effect..which I found strange, as if they almost expected this murder case file to be sitting on some desk for years getting cobwebs......

To be fair, he also used the word "complicated".

Q=Who knows at this point?
A= No one

:confused:

Kat

[HenLee]

I said nothing about Michelle's murder, HenLee. My point was that Jason refused to open his mouth in the custody proceeding in order to retain custody of his allegedly beloved ("center of his universe") daughter. That, IMO, is reprehensible.

But don't you have to agree it was for reasons I stated?

[Cardinal]

But don't you have to agree it was for reasons I stated?

I don't know what his reasons for silence were, HenLee. I don't think you do either - how could any of us know? Maybe it had something to do, in his mind, with the murder investigation. But what if it did? All he had to do, if asked something potentially incriminating, would be to invoke his Fifth Amendment rights. He's demonstrated his understanding of his right to do that. He chose not to speak AT ALL, even with Cassidy's custody at stake. I can find no acceptable rationale for that.

[frankdrack]

The sheriff also said there would be an arrest "soon" in 2007, 2008, 2009.


Kat

I guess that I missed the earlier "soons" I was thinking that he meant in the next few months and didn't understand what had changed to make him think that.

[Kat4Eagles]

I guess that I missed the earlier "soons" I was thinking that he meant in the next few months and didn't understand what had changed to make him think that.


Well, if we counted all the "soons", and the crossing of the t's, dotting the i's, getting ducks in a row, waiting for just the right pieces to fit, we would be here forever.!!

Oh, wait, it seems like we have been..!!

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

There have been no credible reports that Cassidy is no longer living with Meredith, so I believe Meredith still has custody.

As for often wondering, I have often wondered if Jason is an egoist, since he handed over his allegedly beloved daughter simply to avoid opening his mouth. Pretty poor sense of responsibility, not to mention love, on his part, IMO.


Hi Card, there have been no credible reports of anything, come to think of it...


Kat

[Stellagant]

I agree Cardinal, I don't believe a person who is a target for murder of his wife should ever have to defend him self in a custody battle just so LE can get them to make statements that could be held against them in a court of law. To me that seems a bit sneaky to get around a persons right to remain silent. KWIM?

It wasn't a custody battle because the parties settled before either side had to make statements that could be held against them in a criminal court of law. Evidently the grandmother and aunt say they believe Jason is the cold blooded killer of Michelle and grandchild but for two years were more than willing to risk CY's well-being rather than to undergo a cross-examination about their own character. CY has a therapist to protect her interests. I don't believe she is living with the aunt.

[Stellagant]

I guess that I missed the earlier "soons" I was thinking that he meant in the next few months and didn't understand what had changed to make him think that.

The Sheriff is up for re-election in 2010.

[Stellagant]

Anyone who gets their hopes up because of an anonymous poster speculating that an arrest is coming in any time frame is naive, to say the least, imho.

There are still loads of people following this case and still praying for justice for Michelle and Rylan.

If everyone would only respect each other's opinions, we could still have an active forum here. Alas, it's not meant to be which has precipitated longtime posters having to find other fora to discuss this case.

I dare say if, and when, someone is arrested, things will get buzzing again here but I think a lot of people will stay away because of the way they've been treated by other posters here. It's sad that people who had and have a genuine interest in this case have been run off by people who behaved like pre-schoolers by running to CW to tattle tale. MHO.


Does this mean you'll stay away and spare us the hypocrisy?

What's sad is that you can't refrain from insulting other posters as well as the moderator.

[Doorbell]

It wasn't a custody battle because the parties settled before either side had to make statements that could be held against them in a criminal court of law. Evidently the grandmother and aunt say they believe Jason is the cold blooded killer of Michelle and grandchild but for two years were more than willing to risk CY's well-being rather than to undergo a cross-examination about their own character. CY has a therapist to protect her interests. I don't believe she is living with the aunt.

You can say anything you want to, but there is no basis for this rumour.

[frankdrack]

The Sheriff is up for re-election in 2010.

The last time that I looked at the data (1999 – 2004) Wake County only had a 44% clearance rate (15 of 34) for homicides and I believe that it was close to zero for homicides without an arrest after twelve months.

Is this an issue for the citizens of Wake County?

[Stellagant]

You can say anything you want to, but there is no basis for this rumour.

Might be a good idea if you learned the definition of "rumor" and "opinion."

My opinion does have a basis.

:rolleyes:

[Stellagant]

The last time that I looked at the data (1999 – 2004) Wake County only had a 44% clearance rate (15 of 34) for homicides and I believe that it was close to zero for homicides without an arrest after twelve months.

Is this an issue for the citizens of Wake County?

If not, it should be.

[Doorbell]

Might be a good idea if you learned the definition of "rumor" and "opinion."

My opinion does have a basis.

:rolleyes:

Without substantiation, it is not a fact. Therefore, IMO, it matters not whether you call it opinion or rumor.

[Stellagant]

Without substantiation, it is not a fact. Therefore, IMO, it matters not whether you call it opinion or rumor.


Opinions are just that. It matters not that you want to call it a rumor.
You certainly haven't produced facts yourself. Your pasttime seems to be to simply attack other opinions that don't agree with your own.

[Doorbell]

Opinions are just that. It matters not that you want to call it a rumor.
You certainly haven't produced facts yourself. Your pasttime seems to be to simply attack other opinions that don't agree with your own.

My passtime is to discover the facts behind the opinions/rumors/theories...and point out where they don't appear to exist. There is always a possibility that someone might come here to check on "the latest," and accept your opinion as fact. Thinking that you have some factual basis for it. If you have some factual basis for your opinion, I'm sure it would be valuable to the discussion to reveal it.

[Leanne Weich]

But, then there really isn't that much to discuss, is there?
The last s/w's known were in March, 8-9 months ago..

Anyone who thought Jason is innocent or on the fence about this case, were treated much worse
than those who believe Jason is guilty.

And, only people who break the rules get themselved banned, no one else has that power!!

Hope this helps you and them to figure that one simple fact out..!!
:seeya:
Kat

ETA: So, when someone comes here pretending to have inside information , we should just discount that too.
I thought so......
:biggrin:

People still like to discuss what they hear (and it's up to each poster to discern for themselves if something a poster says is likely to be credible or not).

Yes, people were banned because after months of overt provocation, they said the wrong thing and the provocateurs ran to CW like kindergarten kids complaining. The difference is that the other side tried to fight their own battles, hence the bannings.

A prime example of BS was the post alluding to Cassie no longer living with Meredith. Cassie was still living with Meredith as of Michelle's memorial and I do believe had there been a change of status it would have been verifiable by now.

There are too many real "insiders" who would have bound over here to try to rub it in that Meredith no longer has custody.

If there is nothing to discuss, why do you keep coming back to lament the fact. I'd think it gets to a point where one would sit back and be happy that the person they're rooting for hasn't been indicted and hope like hell that it never happens. JMHO.

[Kat4Eagles]

My passtime is to discover the facts behind the opinions/rumors/theories...and point out where they don't appear to exist. There is always a possibility that someone might come here to check on "the latest," and accept your opinion as fact. Thinking that you have some factual basis for it. If you have some factual basis for your opinion, I'm sure it would be valuable to the discussion to reveal it.


Would that also apply to those who claim they have inside information but can not back it up?

Don't we get to make up our own minds as to what and who we choose to believe as opposed to having someone force their opinion on us?

You can walk away from this Board with whatever conclusions you wish to draw from the discussions, although, actually nothing has happened in months and months and months.

I think that has always been the biggest problem here, this case with the exception of the search warrants hasn't really offered, much else.

JMO

Kat

[Leanne Weich]

Does this mean you'll stay away and spare us the hypocrisy?

What's sad is that you can't refrain from insulting other posters as well as the moderator.

I certainly wasn't insulting the moderator. As for other posters, if the shoe fits .... well you know the rest.

Nope, I certainly wont stay away. You've tried to run me off this board under all your names but it wont work.

[Kat4Eagles]

People still like to discuss what they hear (and it's up to each poster to discern for themselves if something a poster says is likely to be credible or not).



There are too many real "insiders"

<snipped>

JMHO.


Real insiders who have knowledge of the case would have been asked not to reveal what they know about an ongoing investigation, for fear of tainted testimony or influencing a potential juror pool.

Hope this helps.

Kat

[Tia]

People still like to discuss what they hear (and it's up to each poster to discern for themselves if something a poster says is likely to be credible or not).

Yes, people were banned because after months of overt provocation, they said the wrong thing and the provocateurs ran to CW like kindergarten kids complaining. The difference is that the other side tried to fight their own battles, hence the bannings.

A prime example of BS was the post alluding to Cassie no longer living with Meredith. Cassie was still living with Meredith as of Michelle's memorial and I do believe had there been a change of status it would have been verifiable by now.

There are too many real "insiders" who would have bound over here to try to rub it in that Meredith no longer has custody.

If there is nothing to discuss, why do you keep coming back to lament the fact. I'd think it gets to a point where one would sit back and be happy that the person they're rooting for hasn't been indicted and hope like hell that it never happens. JMHO.


BBM

Hi Leanne.

Also, I saw it posted here that Meredith is bi-polar!!! That person was NOT attacked by the Jason supporters because it another vilifying remark about the victim's family and Young's supporters seem to enjoy that.

I would very much like to see links to both.

1. C no longer living with Meredith
2. Meredith being bi-polar

THAT would help.

[annalyzer]

from my link in post #8

Police said they expect to make an arrest soon in the bludgeoning death of Michelle Young

Soon as in this year? Next year? When?

[HenLee]

BBM

Hi Leanne.

Also, I saw it posted here that Meredith is bi-polar!!! That person was NOT attacked by the Jason supporters because it another vilifying remark about the victim's family and Young's supporters seem to enjoy that.

I would very much like to see links to both.

1. C no longer living with Meredith
2. Meredith being bi-polar

THAT would help.Tia, now you know it was never stated that Meredith was Bi-polar. I even went as far as to post a second post to re-clarify it was only my thought or opinion and gave my reasons. Maybe you just read my post wrong, I hope that is the problem so there would NOT be a link. KWIM? Bi-polar is a illness just as a being a diabetic or having high blood pressure. Surely you would not require a link if I had suggested either of those would you? I think even Sally Fields that has stared in many movies has admitted publicly many years ago she has this much common dis-order. Gee, lets not place any kind of stigma on any mental health problem so many people deal with daily.
You are correct on one thing tho only posters from another board who's agenda it is to close this board has complained BUT I think those people would complain even if it was a happy birthday wish sent to Mr. Young, don't you. I have NO agenda so I try to be as pleasant as possible with all posters.
You have a great day.

[HenLee]

from my link in post #8

Police said they expect to make an arrest soon in the bludgeoning death of Michelle Young

Soon as in this year? Next year? When?I think once again the Sheriff was caught off guard by a reporter asking questions and spoke off the tip of his tongue once again. Repeating many other posters, same-o same-0 speech. MOO:tongueside:

[frankdrack]

I think once again the Sheriff was caught off guard by a reporter asking questions and spoke off the tip of his tongue once again. Repeating many other posters, same-o same-0 speech. MOO:tongueside:

What I don’t understand was that it was scheduled interview, in the sheriff’s office, concerning the third anniversary of the murder.

How could he not expect questions concerning the status of the investigation? How could he not have knowledgeable, accurate answers prepared?

[Kat4Eagles]

What I don’t understand was that it was scheduled interview, in the sheriff’s office, concerning the third anniversary of the murder.

How could he not expect questions concerning the status of the investigation? How could he not have knowledgeable, accurate answers prepared?

I had hoped there would be more too, even a brief press conference would be nice once in a while, heck, even once a year.!!

Can you imagine the people living in Enchanted Oaks with this crime unsolved, going on 37 months now!

Although, I still can not for the life of me figure out why someone would want to live in the actual home where Michelle was so brutally murdered, when there were so many other homes to choose from.

What must it be like to walk through the bedroom, knowing she was killed right there..........and her body found on the floor..and to sleep
in that same room nite after nite..

Wow.

Kat

[frankdrack]

I had hoped there would be more too, even a brief press conference would be nice once in a while, heck, even once a year.!!

Can you imagine the people living in Enchanted Oaks with this crime unsolved, going on 37 months now!

Although, I still can not for the life of me figure out why someone would want to live in the actual home where Michelle was so brutally murdered, when there were so many other homes to choose from.

What must it be like to walk through the bedroom, knowing she was killed right there..........and her body found on the floor..and to sleep
in that same room nite after nite..

Wow.

Kat

What has interested me about this case since the beginning is that the scene was discovered only hours after the crime occurred, there clearly was a struggle, LE had a potential suspect almost immediately, and they spend multiple days collecting evidence, but no arrest.

I understand that JY was a resident in the house, so much evidence tied to him could be explained, but there is no evidence of him being a sophisticated criminal. If he was involved, how did he not make any of the typical mistakes that most intimate killers make that lead to a quick arrest?

[Leanne Weich]

Real insiders who have knowledge of the case would have been asked not to reveal what they know about an ongoing investigation, for fear of tainted testimony or influencing a potential juror pool.

Hope this helps.

Kat

Nope, it doesn't help because insiders, for the most part, aren't talking evidence anymore but are, for instance, passing on what they've heard around the courthouse or how Cassie was doing at the memorial or when they saw her with Linda and.or Meredith out and about. Also, of course, if Jason is seen, that's reported on too.

[Kat4Eagles]

What has interested me about this case since the beginning is that the scene was discovered only hours after the crime occurred, there clearly was a struggle, LE had a potential suspect almost immediately, and they spend multiple days collecting evidence, but no arrest.

I understand that JY was a resident in the house, so much evidence tied to him could be explained, but there is no evidence of him being a sophisticated criminal. If he was involved, how did he not make any of the typical mistakes that most intimate killers make that lead to a quick arrest?


I know, and when the last s/w's were released, it looked like something was going to happen, but then it didn't.......

So, which of the following things can't be proven?

That Jason never left the hotel, that the news carrier can not positively ID his car in the driveway, or,there were other prints in the home?

:confused:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I am wondering about the medicine in C's room, if it had always been kept in there, and someone told L E that.

I don't think that someone would take it from another room, and then leave it in there that nite.

But, then again, I don't think she was drugged to begin with either...

This could be on the things holding this up, the condition she was found in does not add up to the crime scene.....

We know she was near Michelle at some point and she should have shown signs of trauma or had more blood on her.

Even if someone had cleaned her off in the middle of the nite, when she awakened, she would have gone near her Mom again ,or at least had walked in the blood somehow...

She does not sound like she just woke up on the 911 call.


Kat

[Tia]

Nope, it doesn't help because insiders, for the most part, aren't talking evidence anymore but are, for instance, passing on what they've heard around the courthouse or how Cassie was doing at the memorial or when they saw her with Linda and.or Meredith out and about. Also, of course, if Jason is seen, that's reported on too.

Thats why I find the rumors about Cassidy not living with Meredith or Meredith being bi-polar so terrible. The insiders KNOW Meredith, Linda and Cassidy and/or live in the same town as Jason. Have been to Meredith's home the memorials, etc., sooooooooo one has to wonder what purpose of posting untruths on a public message board serves.

:confused:

[Stellagant]

Nope, it doesn't help because insiders, for the most part, aren't talking evidence anymore but are, for instance, passing on what they've heard around the courthouse or how Cassie was doing at the memorial or when they saw her with Linda and.or Meredith out and about. Also, of course, if Jason is seen, that's reported on too.

Passing along bogus info such as the case would be prosecuted just as soon as an assistant DA returned isn't from an insider. There is no information about this case floating around any courthouse. It is a criminal investigation and legally can not be discussed just as the child is supposed to be kept out of the media and not on display. Your insiders have credibility issues.

:rolleyes:

[Stellagant]

I am wondering about the medicine in C's room, if it had always been kept in there, and someone told L E that.

I don't think that someone would take it from another room, and then leave it in there that nite.

But, then again, I don't think she was drugged to begin with either...

This could be on the things holding this up, the condition she was found in does not add up to the crime scene.....

We know she was near Michelle at some point and she should have shown signs of trauma or had more blood on her.

Even if someone had cleaned her off in the middle of the nite, when she awakened, she would have gone near her Mom again ,or at least had walked in the blood somehow...

She does not sound like she just woke up on the 911 call.


Kat

ITA, she doesn't sound drugged at all. I doubt the prescription medication was kept in her room. If it was a sample--and I believe it was--it would not have a child proof lid on it.

[Kat4Eagles]

Passing along bogus info such as the case would be prosecuted just as soon as an assistant DA returned isn't from an insider. There is no information about this case floating around any courthouse. It is a criminal investigation and legally can not be discussed just as the child is supposed to be kept out of the media and not on display. Your insiders have credibility issues.

:rolleyes:

You are so right.!!

It is the same with those who would view graphic autopsy photos, or try to befriend a victim's family just to get info...so, they can report back to others.

For the price of trying to scoop a story, or to become a insider, there are no limits sometimes.
Or making accusations that later turned out false.
How terrible for the family.!

And,then can you imagine the extra pain and suffering, not to speak of the horror ,a victim's family must feel if they knew they were being played and betrayed..??

:angry:

Thankfully there are those of us who truly want justice for Michelle !

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

ITA, she doesn't sound drugged at all. I doubt the prescription medication was kept in her room. If it was a sample--and I believe it was--it would not have a child proof lid on it.


I would be curious if Michelle's friends or family were questioned as to if they had seen the medicine in "C"s room previously??

Kat

[Leanne Weich]

Passing along bogus info such as the case would be prosecuted just as soon as an assistant DA returned isn't from an insider. There is no information about this case floating around any courthouse. It is a criminal investigation and legally can not be discussed just as the child is supposed to be kept out of the media and not on display. Your insiders have credibility issues.

:rolleyes:

I'll decide who I believe has credibility thank you and I certainly don't need guidance from you. Your contention that the child is not to be on display is ridiculous. Every time she goes out for a meal, to the cemetery, library or the park, she is likely to be seen by people who post on various boards and live in Brevard.

If you don't believe in courthouse gossip, you're naive. It happens in every courthouse just like even though LEOs aren't supposed to discuss investigations, even with their families, they do. It's human nature.

[Kat4Eagles]

I'll decide who I believe has credibility thank you and I certainly don't need guidance from you. Your contention that the child is not to be on display is ridiculous. Every time she goes out for a meal, to the cemetery, library or the park, she is likely to be seen by people who post on various boards and live in Brevard.

If you don't believe in courthouse gossip, you're naive. It happens in every courthouse just like even though LEOs aren't supposed to discuss investigations, even with their families, they do. It's human nature.


And so, it is okay for complete strangers to report sightings of a child instead of leaving her alone or protecting her privacy?

It is okay for complete strangers to discuss her on the internet , reveal her schedule or any of the other private details of her life?

Because, it would have to be a stranger that would result to this, as anyone close to "C" who loved her would protect her after all she has been through........

It might be okay if her Dad or Aunt did this, but why would a stranger do it?
For what reason?:confused:


And, besides that, the stranger would have to provide proof, because we all know anyone can say anything and it doesn't make it true.
:rolleyes:

As far as anyone who is going to be called to be a witness and give testimony in this or any other trial, they have all been warned not to discuss the case with anyone.....at all,.......... for any reason.......

Again, I hope this helps.
Kat

[Leanne Weich]

And so, it is okay for complete strangers to report sightings of a child instead of leaving her alone or protecting her privacy?

It is okay for complete strangers to discuss her on the internet , reveal her schedule or any of the other private details of her life?

Because, it would have to be a stranger that would result to this, as anyone close to "C" who loved her would protect her after all she has been through........

It might be okay if her Dad or Aunt did this, but why would a stranger do it?
For what reason?:confused:


And, besides that, the stranger would have to provide proof, because we all know anyone can say anything and it doesn't make it true.
:rolleyes:

As far as anyone who is going to be called to be a witness and give testimony in this or any other trial, they have all been warned not to discuss the case with anyone.....at all,.......... for any reason.......

Again, I hope this helps.
Kat

Of course it's fine to report that you saw Cassidy, for example, at her mom's memorial service or at Meredith's home afterwards. If you choose to disbelieve the person who was there, that's your prerogative.

Who, in your opinion, would have warned any potential witnesses not to talk? Why, if JY is not a suspect would anyone have been determined to be a witness? Nobody can force anyone not to talk - they can ask but that's about it. Even LEOs who should know better, talk all the time, as do Clerks at Courts. JMHO.

[Kat4Eagles]

Of course it's fine to report that you saw Cassidy, for example, at her mom's memorial service or at Meredith's home afterwards. If you choose to disbelieve the person who was there, that's your prerogative.

Who, in your opinion, would have warned any potential witnesses not to talk? Why, if JY is not a suspect would anyone have been determined to be a witness? Nobody can force anyone not to talk - they can ask but that's about it. Even LEOs who should know better, talk all the time, as do Clerks at Courts. JMHO.


It may seem fine to you to have some stranger on the internet talk about "C", but, it doesn't seem fine to me....ewww.

It is scary that someone would even use her name in a familiar way, or point out places she has been or goes to that could possibly put her in danger.

"C" is discussed because she was a victim and possible witness and has been treated here with the most respect by some of us,who to this day,refuse to use her full name.


When someone is interviewed in a trial case, you have to sign your statement/affadavit. Especially if you are going to testify.

You are told not to discuss the case with anyone, you are also warned that comparing stories could lead to making conflicting statements...

The defense would have a field day with this.

Example:
During the Rae Carruth trial, Michelle Wright, an ex~girlfriend was found to be posting on a Message Board.
She tried to defend herself by saying that people were talking about her and the huge amount of child support she was receiving from Rae and wanted to set the record straight.......
The defense tried to use this against her , possibly, in an attempt to throw all her testimony out..or at least to make her look bad.

The Judge did not seem too happy she had done this.

Luckily, there was enough evidence to convict Rae, although I wish
his sentence had been LWOP or the DP.
JMO

Kat

[achristie]

It may seem fine to you to have some stranger on the internet talk about "C", but, it doesn't seem fine to me....ewww.

It is scary that someone would even use her name in a familiar way, or point out places she has been or goes to that could possibly put her in danger.

"C" is discussed because she was a victim and possible witness and has been treated here with the most respect by some of us,who to this day,refuse to use her full name.


When someone is interviewed in a trial case, you have to sign your statement/affadavit. Especially if you are going to testify.

You are told not to discuss the case with anyone, you are also warned that comparing stories could lead to making conflicting statements...

The defense would have a field day with this.

Example:
During the Rae Carruth trial, Michelle Wright, an ex~girlfriend was found to be posting on a Message Board.
She tried to defend herself by saying that people were talking about her and the huge amount of child support she was receiving from Rae and wanted to set the record straight.......
The defense tried to use this against her , possibly, in an attempt to throw all her testimony out..or at least to make her look bad.

The Judge did not seem too happy she had done this.

Luckily, there was enough evidence to convict Rae, although I wish
his sentence had been LWOP or the DP.
JMO

Kat

I love hearing about Cassidy and how she is doing. I don't think I've read it here....mostly on private boards. That and LOTS of other stuff. I agree. It should not be on the public boards. There is nowhere to verify the posters and their veracity on an open board such as this. You are absolutely right and ON TARGET. No need for it in the public domain. I've always been against putting inside info out there. Serves no useful purpose. Know what I mean?

Hope this helps.

MOO Aggie

[Stellagant]

I'll decide who I believe has credibility thank you and I certainly don't need guidance from you. Your contention that the child is not to be on display is ridiculous. Every time she goes out for a meal, to the cemetery, library or the park, she is likely to be seen by people who post on various boards and live in Brevard.

If you don't believe in courthouse gossip, you're naive. It happens in every courthouse just like even though LEOs aren't supposed to discuss investigations, even with their families, they do. It's human nature.

It's not human nature jump on the Internet to blab confidential police information you've just been entrusted with by a member of LE. This is a real criminal investigation, not a TV soap opera.

Whether you choose to believe it or not, it is still a fact that information about on-going criminal investigations is not shared with courthouse gossips in this country because of the potential of compromising the investigation/prosecution. Only a fool would risk their job just to gossip on the Internet. This case has had over three years of gossip that hasn't resulted in solving it.

The custody agreement entered into earlier this year said the child is not to be displayed in the media by either custodial party. If you choose to disregard that fact, go ahead but it is still grounds that will void the settlement agreement.

[Stellagant]

And so, it is okay for complete strangers to report sightings of a child instead of leaving her alone or protecting her privacy?

It is okay for complete strangers to discuss her on the internet , reveal her schedule or any of the other private details of her life?

Because, it would have to be a stranger that would result to this, as anyone close to "C" who loved her would protect her after all she has been through........

It might be okay if her Dad or Aunt did this, but why would a stranger do it?
For what reason?:confused:


And, besides that, the stranger would have to provide proof, because we all know anyone can say anything and it doesn't make it true.
:rolleyes:

As far as anyone who is going to be called to be a witness and give testimony in this or any other trial, they have all been warned not to discuss the case with anyone.....at all,.......... for any reason.......

Again, I hope this helps.
Kat

If the whereabouts of CY is known, there wouldn't be the need to insist she was seen anywhere. I agree with you, it is a private matter.

[Leanne Weich]

It's not human nature jump on the Internet to blab confidential police information you've just been entrusted with by a member of LE. This is a real criminal investigation, not a TV soap opera.

Whether you choose to believe it or not, it is still a fact that information about on-going criminal investigations is not shared with courthouse gossips in this country because of the potential of compromising the investigation/prosecution. Only a fool would risk their job just to gossip on the Internet. This case has had over three years of gossip that hasn't resulted in solving it.

The custody agreement entered into earlier this year said the child is not to be displayed in the media by either custodial party. If you choose to disregard that fact, go ahead but it is still grounds that will void the settlement agreement.

It is human nature for people to talk, be it in America, Australia or anywhere else in the world. Clerks of the courts are notorious for talking out of school - and if you think it happens everywhere but America, I have news for you. Nobody ever said gossip on the internet (or anywhere) would solve this case.

Cassidy going shopping, to the cemetery, her mom's memorial and things like that are not displaying her in the media. If someone comes on a message board and says they saw Cassidy somewhere and she's looking happy or whatever, that is not grounds to void the settlement agreement.

[Leanne Weich]

If the whereabouts of CY is known, there wouldn't be the need to insist she was seen anywhere. I agree with you, it is a private matter.

It seems you're one of the very few who seems to think Cassie is not with her aunt and that's your prerogative. It was nice to hear from people who attended Michelle's memorial that Cassidy has settled down and adjusted well to living with her aunt and grandma.

[Stellagant]

Of course it's fine to report that you saw Cassidy, for example, at her mom's memorial service or at Meredith's home afterwards. If you choose to disbelieve the person who was there, that's your prerogative.

Who, in your opinion, would have warned any potential witnesses not to talk? Why, if JY is not a suspect would anyone have been determined to be a witness? Nobody can force anyone not to talk - they can ask but that's about it. Even LEOs who should know better, talk all the time, as do Clerks at Courts. JMHO.

It's not a warning, it is a request by LE not to discuss details to the public. Anyone who chooses to ignore such a request will have a huge credibility problem at trial.

I doubt this former prosecutor is quite the unethical gossip you make her out to be. I also doubt she tolerates leaks by anyone on her staff.

http://web.co.wake.nc.us/courts/whois.html

[Leanne Weich]

It's not a warning, it is a request by LE not to discuss details to the public. Anyone who chooses to ignore such a request will have a huge credibility problem at trial.

I doubt this former prosecutor is quite the unethical gossip you make her out to be. I also doubt she tolerates leaks by anyone on her staff.

http://web.co.wake.nc.us/courts/whois.html

Please don't put words in my mouth. I never said the former prosecutor is unethical. She cannot stop any court employee from talking and telling friends things they've gleaned from court pleadings.

[Stellagant]

It is human nature for people to talk, be it in America, Australia or anywhere else in the world. Clerks of the courts are notorious for talking out of school - and if you think it happens everywhere but America, I have news for you. Nobody ever said gossip on the internet (or anywhere) would solve this case.

Cassidy going shopping, to the cemetery, her mom's memorial and things like that are not displaying her in the media. If someone comes on a message board and says they saw Cassidy somewhere and she's looking happy or whatever, that is not grounds to void the settlement agreement.

No, it isn't human nature for people to jeopardize their jobs in order to reveal confidential information to strangers on the public Internet. Clerks of the Court take an Oath of office. I don't care about other countries, this is an unsolved murder case in AMERICA. Please stop misrepresenting our justice system.

This message forum is a form of media. CY's a victim and possible witness to an unsolved crime. Why do you need to know she's anywhere at all?

[Stellagant]

Please don't put words in my mouth. I never said the former prosecutor is unethical. She cannot stop any court employee from talking and telling friends things they've gleaned from court pleadings.

A court administrator most certainly can fire any employee for sharing confidential information. :rolleyes:

[aproudmom]

Hard to believe three years have passed:rose:

[reborn]

yep, it certainly has...Just letting peeps know that no one (jmo) is buying into the false statements that some still feel the need to post, despite all the facts that prove them wrong. The sworn testimony of Det. Spivey, the judges' ruling on "the slayer", the SW's, etc all show where this case is heading and WHO has custody of Cassidy. Good to see ya Leanne, you are a great advocate for justice for Michelle.


Its beyond my comprehension why anyone would be happy about MF having control of a child. Michelle tried to stop this from ever happening by stating in her will where her child would go. Her mother disregarded her wishes even to the grave. Here's the real person you are so happy to have influencing Michelle's daughter.


http://mixie118.livejournal.com/profile
http://mixie118.livejournal.com/

[Cardinal]

Its beyond my comprehension why anyone would be happy about MF having control of a child. Michelle tried to stop this from ever happening by stating in her will where her child would go. Her mother disregarded her wishes even to the grave. Here's the real person you are so happy to have influencing Michelle's daughter.

~snipped~



Michelle's will names a guardian for Cassidy in the event both Michelle and Jason were deceased; that isn't applicable in this situation. Regardless, IIRC, the person Michelle named in her will DID provide a home for Cassidy, briefly, until she had her own child. She obviously could no longer provide a home for Cassidy at that point.

Jason had full legal custody of Cassidy after Michelle's death, and it was HIS decision to cede a portion of that custody to Meredith. So if anyone disregarded Michelle's wishes, it was Jason. Big surprise.

JMO

[Leanne Weich]

I'm damn sure Michelle would not want the one named the SLAYER as the custodian of her daughter. I wouldn't be surprised if consideration was given to the fact that Meredith was single when that will was drawn up and, imo, most people if they had an alternate person who could serve as guardian would not foist it on a single person. Well, I know that was my thinking when my children were minors. Despite my sister absolutely adoring them, I felt it was unfair to saddle her with children whilst there was a viable alternative if, God forbid, anything had happened to me.

I'm sure Michelle must have been turning in her grave when her mom and sister were denied access or to give Christmas presents to Cassidy.

[reborn]

I'm sure Michelle must have been turning in her grave when her mom and sister were denied access or to give Christmas presents to Cassidy.

I,m not sure she cared one way or the other about Christmas presents but I bet she turned in her grave when her mother over rode ever thing she had put into her will. Her mother even took over at executor when Michelle clearly named JY. I don't have the will it was Cardinal that brought parts of it to the forum. From what Cardinal said was in the will , LF didn't follow Michelle's wishes at all. Its takes a cold heart to not follow a dead childs wishes. I can't begin to see how LF sleeps at night.

[Barbara2]

I,m not sure she cared one way or the other about Christmas presents but I bet she turned in her grave when her mother over rode ever thing she had put into her will. Her mother even took over at executor when Michelle clearly named JY. I don't have the will it was Cardinal that brought parts of it to the forum. From what Cardinal said was in the will , LF didn't follow Michelle's wishes at all. Its takes a cold heart to not follow a dead childs wishes. I can't begin to see how LF sleeps at night.

I really don't think Michelle was the least bit upset. I doubt that she ever considered that the person she named as beneficiary in her will would be her executioner. I would be more concerned with how the murderer manages to sleep at night, don't you think?

[Cardinal]

I,m not sure she cared one way or the other about Christmas presents but I bet she turned in her grave when her mother over rode ever thing she had put into her will. Her mother even took over at executor when Michelle clearly named JY. I don't have the will it was Cardinal that brought parts of it to the forum. From what Cardinal said was in the will , LF didn't follow Michelle's wishes at all. Its takes a cold heart to not follow a dead childs wishes. I can't begin to see how LF sleeps at night.

Yes, I do have a copy of Michelle's will, and you have misstated what I said about it. Regarding the appointment of an Executor, Michelle's will says very clearly that if for any reason Jason does not serve as Executor, she appoints her mother as successor Executor. Jason obviously never filed the paperwork to be appointed Executor by the Wake County Clerk of Court. So I'm afraid you are mistaken in accusing Linda of 'taking over as Executor', since Michelle's will specifically provides for her to do exactly that. There is nothing cold-hearted about carrying out the terms of your daughter's will. OTOH, I doubt Linda Fisher has slept well since she learned of her daughter's brutal murder.

[5swab5]

No, it isn't human nature for people to jeopardize their jobs in order to reveal confidential information to strangers on the public Internet. Clerks of the Court take an Oath of office. I don't care about other countries, this is an unsolved murder case in AMERICA. Please stop misrepresenting our justice system.

This message forum is a form of media. CY's a victim and possible witness to an unsolved crime. Why do you need to know she's anywhere at all?


Don't you think, in the spirit of the Holiday Season it is about time for you to get OFF of Leanne's back for being Australian?

She has been following this case from DAY ONE, and even from that far away, she knows Cassidy is living with Meredith (thanks to Jason) and thriving. No wonder, your pathetic attempts at starting a rumor that Cassidy is living elsewhere BURN US ALL UP!

Jason voluntarily surrendered Primary Physical Custody of Cassidy. Get over it.

MOO

[Leanne Weich]

Yes, I do have a copy of Michelle's will, and you have misstated what I said about it. Regarding the appointment of an Executor, Michelle's will says very clearly that if for any reason Jason does not serve as Executor, she appoints her mother as successor Executor. Jason obviously never filed the paperwork to be appointed Executor by the Wake County Clerk of Court. So I'm afraid you are mistaken in accusing Linda of 'taking over as Executor', since Michelle's will specifically provides for her to do exactly that. There is nothing cold-hearted about carrying out the terms of your daughter's will. OTOH, I doubt Linda Fisher has slept well since she learned of her daughter's brutal murder.

Hi Card, LTNS. Hope you're well. Isn't it amazing how some will spin anything and everything Linda and/or Meredith do as to being done in contravention of what Michelle would have wanted yet are happy to think she'd want the SLAYER to have full and unfettered access to not only Cassidy but her entire estate. Makes no sense to me.

[Leanne Weich]

Don't you think, in the spirit of the Holiday Season it is about time for you to get OFF of Leanne's back for being Australian?

She has been following this case from DAY ONE, and even from that far away, she knows Cassidy is living with Meredith (thanks to Jason) and thriving. No wonder, your pathetic attempts at starting a rumor that Cassidy is living elsewhere BURN US ALL UP!

Jason voluntarily surrendered Primary Physical Custody of Cassidy. Get over it.

MOO

Hi Swabbie. Hope you had a great Thanksgiving.

I bet Linda, Meredith and Cassidy had a great time with loads to be thankful for. I hope that next TG they will have even more to give thanks for.

[Cardinal]

Hi Card, LTNS. Hope you're well. Isn't it amazing how some will spin anything and everything Linda and/or Meredith do as to being done in contravention of what Michelle would have wanted yet are happy to think she'd want the SLAYER to have full and unfettered access to not only Cassidy but her entire estate. Makes no sense to me.

Hello, Leanne. It has been a while, and it's good to see you. I've always appreciated your contributions/thoughts/perspectives regarding this case.

It's hard to keep the faith, sometimes, that there will be justice for Michelle and Rylan. It has been way too long, IMO. But I have no doubt that when it comes, you'll be here to give thanks.

[Leanne Weich]

Hello, Leanne. It has been a while, and it's good to see you. I've always appreciated your contributions/thoughts/perspectives regarding this case.

It's hard to keep the faith, sometimes, that there will be justice for Michelle and Rylan. It has been way too long, IMO. But I have no doubt that when it comes, you'll be here to give thanks.

I sure will Card. I too have found it difficult to keep the faith that justice will be served but, for some reason, I know it will happen. I think it will be even sweeter when it happens than it would have been had it happened sooner because, no doubt, JY thinks he's got away with murder yet every time there's a report in one of the newspapers, I'm sure he looks over his should a little more often and must have a sense of "oh hell, is this the end of the line for me".

[Kat4Eagles]

Hard to believe three years have passed:rose:


Yes it is, and this week will make it 3 years and another month.
Clearly, there is a problem.....


Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

If the whereabouts of CY is known, there wouldn't be the need to insist she was seen anywhere. I agree with you, it is a private matter.

An extremely private matter......

After what "C" has been through, she clearly does not need unverified and unconfirmed reports about her in any capacity.

I wish people would remember that she too, was a victim..
And, I am sure Michelle would not want anyone talking about her....

:(

Kat

[Cardinal]

Yes it is, and this week will make it 3 years and another month.
Clearly, there is a problem.....


Kat

Yes, Kat, clearly there is a problem. I just don't know what it is. I know, however, what it isn't - the problem isn't anyone's predictions.

Some think the problem is a recalcitrant DA; others think the problem is evidence that isn't quite all in yet. The only thing I know for sure, is that the problem IS - no one has yet been held accountable for the brutal murders of Michelle and Rylan. And that is simply not acceptable IMO.

[Kat4Eagles]

Hi Swabbie. Hope you had a great Thanksgiving.

I bet Linda, Meredith and Cassidy had a great time with loads to be thankful for. I hope that next TG they will have even more to give thanks for.



:biggrin:

According to the custody agreement, Jason had "C" for Thanksgiving..
He had her from 6:OO PM Wed. to 6:00 PM tonite.

Odd years=Jason
Even years=MF

:seeya:
Kat

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[Kat4Eagles]

Yes, Kat, clearly there is a problem. I just don't know what it is. I know, however, what it isn't - the problem isn't anyone's predictions.

Some think the problem is a recalcitrant DA; others think the problem is evidence that isn't quite all in yet. The only thing I know for sure, is that the problem IS - no one has yet been held accountable for the brutal murders of Michelle and Rylan. And that is simply not acceptable IMO.


Of course it's not acceptable, whoever murdered Michelle should be held responsible, that is a given......

However, the people that were saying things were going to happen, and posted certain things as fact, and well, here we are, 3 long years later..........

That is totally unacceptable too.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

<snipped> If someone comes on a message board and says they saw Cassidy somewhere and she's looking happy or whatever, that is not grounds to void the settlement agreement.


If someone comes on a message board and accuses her aunt of embezzling from the child's trust fund, and plants doubt in people's minds, that is okay too, then??

Because that is exactly what happened here, do you remember?

Kat

[Cardinal]

Of course it's not acceptable, whoever murdered Michelle should be held responsible, that is a given......

However, the people that were saying things were going to happen, and posted certain things as fact, and well, here we are, 3 long years later..........

That is totally unacceptable too.

Kat

I've never much cared what anyone predicted. The only thing I care about is that Michelle and Rylan's murderer is convicted in a court of law and spends eternity paying for it. The rest of it doesn't really matter, does it?

[5swab5]

Yes it is, and this week will make it 3 years and another month.
Clearly, there is a problem.....


Kat

Kat,

Maybe, Just Maybe... Alan Fisher was righter than I ever wanted to give him credit for.

He KNEW Jason was a chameleon and he thought Jason was just smart enough to think he could get away with the murders.

Kat, I would give you "chapter and verse", but I am out the door. (I'm pretty sure it is Alan's....Feb. 9th.)

MOO

[Kat4Eagles]

I've never much cared what anyone predicted. The only thing I care about is that Michelle and Rylan's murderer is convicted in a court of law and spends eternity paying for it. The rest of it doesn't really matter, does it?


There a lot of things that matter, the fact that the case remains unsolved, the fact that a killer or killers are walking free, and the fact that despite all the previous postings of a slam dunk guarantee, we are still waiting.

It matters to Michelle's neighbors in Enchanted Oaks and to her co~workers who are still waiting.

It matters even more to the friends and family who we are supposed to believe are "happy" with the investigation.

It matters that Michelle is gone, that she should be the one that is raising C, and getting ready for the holidays, and that her baby boy would be celebrating his 2nd Christmas!

That matters.!!
:angry:

Kat

[janesdeaan]

If someone comes on a message board and accuses her aunt of embezzling from the child's trust fund, and plants doubt in people's minds, that is okay too, then??

Because that is exactly what happened here, do you remember?

Kat

And do YOU remember that same poster immediately posted a retraction stating their mistake ? You've been reminded so many times of that FACT, it's hard to understand how you keep forgetting it !! :no:

[5swab5]

:biggrin:

According to the custody agreement, Jason had "C" for Thanksgiving..
He had her from 6:OO PM Wed. to 6:00 PM tonite.

Odd years=Jason
Even years=MF

:seeya:
Kat

Page 4 of 8

GOOD!

I bet she is happy to be out of her Daddy's childhood home and in a brand new room of her own.

:rose: Cassidy

[Kat4Eagles]

Kat,

Maybe, Just Maybe... Alan Fisher was righter than I ever wanted to give him credit for.

He KNEW Jason was a chameleon and he thought Jason was just smart enough to think he could get away with the murders.

Kat, I would give you "chapter and verse", but I am out the door. (I'm pretty sure it is Alan's....Feb. 9th.)

MOO


Feb..9th..

???

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

And do YOU remember that same poster immediately posted a retraction stating their mistake ? You've been reminded so many times of that FACT, it's hard to understand how you keep forgetting it !! :no:


Sometimes, accusations like that, just stays with you forever..
:(
Kat

[5swab5]

There a lot of things that matter, the fact that the case remains unsolved, the fact that a killer or killers are walking free, and the fact that despite all the previous postings of a slam dunk guarantee, we are still waiting.

It matters to Michelle's neighbors in Enchanted Oaks and to her co~workers who are still waiting.

It matters even more to the friends and family who we are supposed to believe are "happy" with the investigation.

It matters that Michelle is gone, that she should be the one that is raising C, and getting ready for the holidays, and that her baby boy would be celebrating his 2nd Christmas!

That matters.!!
:angry:

Kat

IMO...Michelle and Rylan's neighbors in Enchanted Oaks ceased to worry, once Jason "slayer" Young pulled out of town. In My Opinion.

ETA, I live a city or two away and I haven't heard of a rash of attacks on pregnant wives...when their husbands are magically out of town..in that subdivision. MOO

[Kat4Eagles]

GOOD!

I bet she is happy to be out of her Daddy's childhood home and in a brand new room of her own.

:rose: Cassidy


Umm, the post was to correct the unconfirmed and unverified "rumor" that "C" was with MF and LF for Thanksgiving, when , actually, in a verified and confirmed custody agreement, it shows she was to be with Jason.!!

Glad I could clear that up!!

:)
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

IMO...Michelle and Rylan's neighbors in Enchanted Oaks ceased to worry, once Jason "slayer" Young pulled out of town. In My Opinion.

ETA, I live a city or two away and I haven't heard of a rash of attacks on pregnant wives...when their husbands are magically out of town..in that subdivision. MOO


No, until there is an arrest, everyone would be worried or should be..
JMO
Kat

[janesdeaan]

An extremely private matter......

After what "C" has been through, she clearly does not need unverified and unconfirmed reports about her in any capacity.

I wish people would remember that she too, was a victim..
And, I am sure Michelle would not want anyone talking about her....

:(

Kat

Given the fact that the posters here talking about Cassidy are only praising Michelle's mother and sister, and hoping for the best for all three of them, I don't think Michelle would object at all. She might have a problem with the vilifying of her sister and mother for the past three years though, don't you think ? :shrug:

[janesdeaan]

Sometimes, accusations like that, just stays with you forever..
:(
Kat

That is a choice you made.

[Kat4Eagles]

Given the fact that the posters here talking about Cassidy are only praising Michelle's mother and sister, and hoping for the best for all three of them, I don't think Michelle would object at all. She might have a problem with the vilifying of her sister and mother for the past three years though, don't you think ? :shrug:

I don't see anyone here not wishing the best for "C" .

I don't think Michelle would want her discussed under any circumstances!!

:(

Kat

[janesdeaan]

There a lot of things that matter, the fact that the case remains unsolved, the fact that a killer or killers are walking free, and the fact that despite all the previous postings of a slam dunk guarantee, we are still waiting.

It matters to Michelle's neighbors in Enchanted Oaks and to her co~workers who are still waiting.

It matters even more to the friends and family who we are supposed to believe are "happy" with the investigation.

It matters that Michelle is gone, that she should be the one that is raising C, and getting ready for the holidays, and that her baby boy would be celebrating his 2nd Christmas!

That matters.!!
:angry:

Kat

Uh...I think you may have missed that posters clear statement which was, the "predictions" you put all your money on DO NOT MATTER, the only thing that matters is Justice for Michelle.
hope that helps ! :biggrinjester:

[Kat4Eagles]

That is a choice you made.


Yes, thankfully, we get to choose what we want to believe!

It also might be nice to get an apology from those who assured us this case would be over ages ago, wouldn't it?

:shrug:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Uh...I think you may have missed that posters clear statement which was, the "predictions" you put all your money on DO NOT MATTER, the only thing that matters is Justice for Michelle.
hope that helps ! :biggrinjester:


I have never believed any of the predictions, which is why I can see all the frustration some must feel..

I had faith that LE would not allow anything to be posted that would harm their case.

:)
Kat

[PrimeSuspect210]

I,m not sure she cared one way or the other about Christmas presents but I bet she turned in her grave when her mother over rode ever thing she had put into her will. Her mother even took over at executor when Michelle clearly named JY. I don't have the will it was Cardinal that brought parts of it to the forum. From what Cardinal said was in the will , LF didn't follow Michelle's wishes at all. Its takes a cold heart to not follow a dead childs wishes. I can't begin to see how LF sleeps at night.
I'm sure my mother would petition to take over as executor of my estate, and fight til the death to win it, if I was murdered and the person I was married to, and had named as executor because I most likely believed he loved me at the time I so-named him, refused to cooperate with LE in any way whatsoever since almost the moment he was notified of my murder.

[reborn]

I'm sure my mother would petition to take over as executor of my estate, and fight til the death to win it, if I was murdered and the person I was married to, and had named as executor because I most likely believed he loved me at the time I so-named him, refused to cooperate with LE in any way whatsoever since almost the moment he was notified of my murder.


I think JY did what any person would do under the circumstances. He got an attorney and is following his advise. He knew from day one what he was up against. I don't feel like LE has a case against Jy . He cheated on his wife but I don't see murder here. LE and several on this and other forums refuse to say what evidence they have seen that shows JY murdered his wife. All I have seen is innuendos make by LE to obtain Search warrants. I haven't seen those warrants giving LE anything to prove JY killed his wife. I don't think the DA does either or he would seek an indictment.

[Stellagant]

Yes, I do have a copy of Michelle's will, and you have misstated what I said about it. Regarding the appointment of an Executor, Michelle's will says very clearly that if for any reason Jason does not serve as Executor, she appoints her mother as successor Executor. Jason obviously never filed the paperwork to be appointed Executor by the Wake County Clerk of Court. So I'm afraid you are mistaken in accusing Linda of 'taking over as Executor', since Michelle's will specifically provides for her to do exactly that. There is nothing cold-hearted about carrying out the terms of your daughter's will. OTOH, I doubt Linda Fisher has slept well since she learned of her daughter's brutal murder.

If you were at all familiar with NC law as you claim to be, you would know that Jason, as spouse, was not required to seek an appointment as executor of his wife's estate. The assets of import were held jointly with right of survivorship.

A wrongful death lawsuit is always about money as Linda Fisher's action made abundantly clear.

[Stellagant]

Don't you think, in the spirit of the Holiday Season it is about time for you to get OFF of Leanne's back for being Australian?

She has been following this case from DAY ONE, and even from that far away, she knows Cassidy is living with Meredith (thanks to Jason) and thriving. No wonder, your pathetic attempts at starting a rumor that Cassidy is living elsewhere BURN US ALL UP!

Jason voluntarily surrendered Primary Physical Custody of Cassidy. Get over it.

MOO

As much as she tries to be, Leanne is not an expert on the American justice system and her accusations Clerks of the Court are all gossips posting on message boards is tiresome. She has no knowledge of the case other than what she reads on message boards and neither do you. Get over yourself.

[PrimeSuspect210]

I think JY did what any person would do under the circumstances. He got an attorney and is following his advise. He knew from day one what he was up against. I don't feel like LE has a case against Jy . He cheated on his wife but I don't see murder here. LE and several on this and other forums refuse to say what evidence they have seen that shows JY murdered his wife. All I have seen is innuendos make by LE to obtain Search warrants. I haven't seen those warrants giving LE anything to prove JY killed his wife. I don't think the DA does either or he would seek an indictment.Hmmmm ... if I were you, I wouldn't be too set in my ways about what you think THIS DA would do. I know for a fact that we don't have a clue what he has. We also don't know what he intends to do in this case or when he will do it, until he does it.

As far as a person in Jason's shoes after the murder? If my husband were murdered and I did not do it, yes, I would get an attorney -- only a fool wouldn't, in this media driven society -- but if that attorney told me to not cooperate in the investigation, what did I tell that attorney for him to give me that advice?

....... hmmm ....... I wonder what his attorney knows that we don't.

[reborn]

Hmmmm ... if I were you, I wouldn't be too set in my ways about what you think THIS DA would do. I know for a fact that we don't have a clue what he has. We also don't know what he intends to do in this case or when he will do it, until he does it.

As far as a person in Jason's shoes after the murder? If my husband were murdered and I did not do it, yes, I would get an attorney -- only a fool wouldn't, in this media driven society -- but if that attorney told me to not cooperate in the investigation, what did I tell that attorney for him to give me that advice?

....... hmmm ....... I wonder what his attorney knows that we don't.


I suspect he told his attorney he was having a long standing affair with his wife's best friend. Look at the warrants. LE picks up on the least little deception. MF told LE she laid her keys on the counter as was her usual practice. Turns out those were MY's keys. Oops , MF caught in a discrepancy. See how easy you can tie a noose around your neck. I think JY should follow his attorney's advise and hope LE will get the real killers.

[Tia]

Michelle's will names a guardian for Cassidy in the event both Michelle and Jason were deceased; that isn't applicable in this situation. Regardless, IIRC, the person Michelle named in her will DID provide a home for Cassidy, briefly, until she had her own child. She obviously could no longer provide a home for Cassidy at that point.

Jason had full legal custody of Cassidy after Michelle's death, and it was HIS decision to cede a portion of that custody to Meredith. So if anyone disregarded Michelle's wishes, it was Jason. Big surprise.

JMO

BBM

I am glad that you made that point AGAIN! It seems to be lost here. :biggrin:

[jerzeegirl]

Hmmmm ... if I were you, I wouldn't be too set in my ways about what you think THIS DA would do. I know for a fact that we don't have a clue what he has. We also don't know what he intends to do in this case or when he will do it, until he does it.

As far as a person in Jason's shoes after the murder? If my husband were murdered and I did not do it, yes, I would get an attorney -- only a fool wouldn't, in this media driven society -- but if that attorney told me to not cooperate in the investigation, what did I tell that attorney for him to give me that advice?

....... hmmm ....... I wonder what his attorney knows that we don't.


I totally agree with you prime. There is nothing wrong with protecting your rights and consulting a lawyer. But if my lawyer told me not to help with the investigation of my wifes murder or to give up Full custody of my daughter, I would be shopping for a new lawyer who would sit down with me and LE and decide what questions I could and could not answer. I love my husband and all of my three children more than anything in this whole world, no lawyer out there would stop me from giving up Full Physical custody of my children or keep my mouth shut about my husbands murder investigation. I believe as you do, he spoke to his lawyer probably ONE time and from there on his lawyer knew he needed to not say one more word to ANYONE.

[Tia]

I totally agree with you prime. There is nothing wrong with protecting your rights and consulting a lawyer. But if my lawyer told me not to help with the investigation of my wifes murder or to give up Full custody of my daughter, I would be shopping for a new lawyer who would sit down with me and LE and decide what questions I could and could not answer. I love my husband and all of my three children more than anything in this whole world, no lawyer out there would stop me from giving up Full Physical custody of my children or keep my mouth shut about my husbands murder investigation. I believe as you do, he spoke to his lawyer probably ONE time and from there on his lawyer knew he needed to not say one more word to ANYONE.

Hi Jerzee!!!

No matter what, I cannot get past him not even fighting for Cassidy or fighting the Civil Suit.

Only a guilty man, afraid to "talk", would not fight for his child.

[jerzeegirl]

Hi Jerzee!!!

No matter what, I cannot get past him not even fighting for Cassidy or fighting the Civil Suit.

Only a guilty man, afraid to "talk", would not fight for his child.


Hey Tia,

I totally agree. I don't care how long this investigation/case takes, I believe most here would agree. The fact that an arrest hasn't been made is frustrating to most but doesn't prove who is or is not the murderer. The fact is, Someone murdered Michele and is getting away with it. All the counting of months and years and tick tocks do not change that fact. The court of public opinion DOES count on this thread and the fact that Jason has not helped, talked nor stood up for his daughter during this whole time period is way too convincing for me.

[Tia]

Hey Tia,

I totally agree. I don't care how long this investigation/case takes, I believe most here would agree. The fact that an arrest hasn't been made is frustrating to most but doesn't prove who is or is not the murderer. The fact is, Someone murdered Michele and is getting away with it. All the counting of months and years and tick tocks do not change that fact. The court of public opinion DOES count on this thread and the fact that Jason has not helped, talked nor stood up for his daughter during this whole time period is way too convincing for me.

I am tired of waiting just as everyone else is. It seems as if NC is the place to live if you want to murder your wife and get away with it.........for a while at least.........

I am relieved that Jason didn't bother to fight for Cassidy :smile:

[achristie]

Actually, I guess we should not be surprised.

Look at the things that have happened , pretending to be a member of LE, pretending to be a reporter, pretending to be Jason to get hotel information, going into the home pretending to be a

buyer, tripping from Raleigh to Hillsville, collecting rocks to see if one fits the door of the hotel, calling gas stations, newspapers, viewing

personal autopsy photos, trying to insert themselves in a murder case that could do more harm than good and clearly jeopardize the outcome or effect witness testimony.

Not to mention planting false accusations against someone.

What is wrong with following a case from a distance and letting LE do their job?
Clearly, since all the above attempts have failed at producing anything but trying to attract negative attention.....??

:shrug:

Kat
:no: Why are you continuing to fret over this anonymous poster? No one else seems to care. You've made your point. He/she has no impact on the outcome of this case. And who did he/she plant false accusations about? Are you speaking of MF? Me thinks you are the one that is frustrated about this case. It's my understanding that poster has been long gone, yet, you are still fretting about him/her.

I'm curious. Where are the clothes he was wearing on the video? What is your take?

MOO Aggie

[Cardinal]

~respectfully snipped~

I'm curious. Where are the clothes he was wearing on the video? What is your take?

MOO Aggie

The missing clothes are a major piece of CE for me. I've been on quite a few business trips, and I've never discarded clothes before (or for that matter, after) returning home. I can't come up with a reasonable explanation for that.

[jerzeegirl]

The missing clothes are a major piece of CE for me. I've been on quite a few business trips, and I've never discarded clothes before (or for that matter, after) returning home. I can't come up with a reasonable explanation for that.


And if Jason did have the clothes that are in question, I do believe that he would have had someone deliver them to WCSO in a jiffy. He wouldn't need to speak a word just deliver the clothing in question. He could have put an end to that really quick.