Caylee 11/02,11/03

[pixiejoolz]

So,YOU were at the Grand jury or are privy to what was testified there at? I see this there is a 2 way modality here.

Dt simply restated the things that were made public about GJ testimony, and never claimed to be present a the Grand Jury. Does misunderstanding contribute to a 2 way modality?

[denjet]

I think Cindy also thinks that the murder of Caylee is a personal matter between family members. :w00t: (Meaning that LE and the general public should just butt out!!) :scared:
If it were up to Cindy this would have been a buried family secret ... after all THEY'RE the ones who suffered by it ... isn't that punishment enough ??
No, Cindy, it isn't ... Justice for Caylee will provide a fitting punishment !!

[Aunt]

Why do I think Brad will be calling a "press conference" to discuss the tattoos. I hope he does and I hope no one shows. But this is just my opinion.

I am disappointed in that attorney, representing the Anthonys? Naa he just does media relations, imo.

:thumbdown:

[pixiejoolz]

If it were up to Cindy this would have been a buried family secret ... after all THEY'RE the ones who suffered by it ... isn't that punishment enough ??
No, Cindy, it isn't ... Justice for Caylee will provide a fitting punishment !!

I suspect that Cindy's biggest regret in life is that she ever made that 911 call, effectively stopping the Anthonys from keeping this secret buried forever. :angry:

[djmsmom]

I suspect that Cindy's biggest regret in life is that she ever made that 911 call, effectively stopping the Anthonys from keeping this secret buried forever. :angry:

naw she doesn't regret it. How else could they live the good life. Bills all paid off, new jewelry, trips, and a career in missing children with a foundation. IMO they don't really want Casey to be found not guilty, much more fun to do the interviews themselves and not watch Casey blow all the money.

[denjet]

I suspect that Cindy's biggest regret in life is that she ever made that 911 call, effectively stopping the Anthonys from keeping this secret buried forever. :angry:
From what we've seen of the A's, that's exactly what would have happened ... no one would have ever known !!

[denjet]

Anyone know why the fraud motion is listed under the murder case ?
The three new motions appear to have the correct case numbers on them (unlike what's happened in the past), but the fraud one is listed with the two murder ones under the murder case ... clerical error or dream team error ??

I know it's probably way too late to be asking this ....
TIA

[seeing_eye]

Anyone know why the fraud motion is listed under the murder case ?
The three new motions appear to have the correct case numbers on them (unlike what's happened in the past), but the fraud one is listed with the two murder ones under the murder case ... clerical error or dream team error ??

I know it's probably way too late to be asking this ....
TIA

Maybe it's a clerical error and another failing grade for one of Lyon's students?

[Januarybaby]

If it were up to Cindy this would have been a buried family secret ... after all THEY'RE the ones who suffered by it ... isn't that punishment enough ??
No, Cindy, it isn't ... Justice for Caylee will provide a fitting punishment !!

Hate to tell Cindy she made it public when she called 911 and asked the whole country to look for Caylee.

What scares me is if she knew what Casey had done before she made that 911 call, no one would have even looked for poor Caylee until they all got together and concocted a story all of them would stick with. :crying:

[Dtviewer3]

So,YOU were at the Grand jury or are privy to what was testified there at? I see this there is a 2 way modality here.



I (correctly) pointed out to the poster I replied to that there was forensic and other evidence available BEFORE the GJ.

You are welcome to point out anywhere in my post where I said I was AT the GJ or that I knew what was testified to at the GJ.

You cant, because I didnt.

(BTW, changing nics to defend yourself doesnt impress me at all)

[Spots]

From what we've seen of the A's, that's exactly what would have happened ... no one would have ever known !!

If Cindy's only goal was to scare Casey into telling her where Caylee was, she should have "fake-dialed" 9-1-1. Guess she thought she could just say something along the lines of "Oh, just forget I ever called," and it would go away.

Not smart, Cindy. Not cunning, not clever, not smart.

There goes that Mensa membership.

[Januarybaby]

Given the Anthonys' history of half-truths and mis-truths, it may or may not be true that "Caylee has not become earrings." Perhaps she has become earrings PLUS a lovely broach or pendant (thus not merely "earrings".) Certainly she has become bracelets and a cuddly Teddy Bear.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

To the public Caylee was a sweet precious child that never got to live a life she should have had, to Casey, Caylee became a nusance she had to get rid of, someone her mother could use against her and ended up in jail because of, and to George and Cindy, Caylee was leverage and has become $$$$$.

[Dtviewer3]

Since the beginning of time a defense team has had a job to do when defending a client. Sometimes the defendant was even guilty and had confessed,the job was still to defend and get the least sentence,punishment possible.

This case is not different,except that the defendant claims innocence, therefore the defense team is defending the client.The defense is trying to make sure that the client has a fair trial. Many feel the defendant is guilty because of the circumstantial evidence, admittedly it does not look as though she is innocent, however they are raising serious doubts due to the evidence that has been collected thus far, which do raise some doubts.

The only real hard evidence I see is that she did not report her daughter missing, and appeared to be acting carefree in some photos.

The stain in the trunk was not from a decomposed body,that was ascertained from there being NO DNA, that one would expect to find from a stain presumed to be from bodily fluids, HUMAN decomposition.

Nothing at the crime scene connects Casey or her parents to the death. One would have expected to find finger prints on duct tape, but the 2 finger prints on the duct tape consist of one being from an agent of the police force and the other non identified, so WHO do the other fingerprints belong to? That raises some serious doubt no matter how you slice it.

There are serious problems with the duct tape that was said to be wrapped around the head. Yes I have read every stitch of evidence and there are reasons for doubt, the only thing i can't get around is not reporting the child missing, but I then go back to mom CINDY , CASEY was rebellious as we can all see, was she so rebellious that she did not let mom know at first not wanting back lash and not THINKING like an adult ,but the child she was " Oh it will be okay"

Who really knows, I don't claim to. should be an interesting trial for sure.

I guess you havent read EVERY stitch of evidence in 'THIS' case since there certainly wasnt even '1' fingerprint found on the duct tape, nevermind '2'.

I'm not sure what else to say to you since I really dont know what case you are talking about:confused:

[seeing_eye]

I guess you havent read EVERY stitch of evidence in 'THIS' case since there certainly wasnt even '1' fingerprint found on the duct tape, nevermind '2'.

I'm not sure what else to say to you since I really dont know what case you are talking about:confused:

You're absolutely right, dtviewer! There were no fingerprints found on the duct tape according to the FBI report released to the public via the Florida Sunshine Laws. I guess some people just scan these documents and don't really read them.

FYI, it also seems as though some have evolved from soda-pops to alcoholic beverages! :scared:

[caphill]

I guess you havent read EVERY stitch of evidence in 'THIS' case since there certainly wasnt even '1' fingerprint found on the duct tape, nevermind '2'.

I'm not sure what else to say to you since I really dont know what case you are talking about:confused:

You are correct that the forensic evidence on the duct tape was not reported as fingerprints. It was reported as DNA. BlueMartini was quite correct in one DNA was from the lab tech and the other DNA was foreign. How does the prosecution explain away the unsourced DNA on the tape.

[Spots]

You are correct that the forensic evidence on the duct tape was not reported as fingerprints. It was reported as DNA. BlueMartini was quite correct in one DNA was from the lab tech and the other DNA was foreign. How does the prosecution explain away the unsourced DNA on the tape.

Perhaps because the remains and the tape were immersed in filthy, disgusting, contaminated flood water for several months?

One only needs to read up on the effects of flood waters during Katrina to realize what that water can leave behind, including death and pestilence. One stray allele is not surprising, nor is it cause for dismissal of the charges.


ETA: BlueMartini claimed there were *fingerprints* on the duct tape. Ergo, s/he was not correct.

[Spots]

To be FAIR, do you not find it ODD that only one other source of DNA was discovered on the tape and yet it did not belong to anyone that could be identified as having contact,such as the LAB TECH.
I do find it ODD,and more ODD is that if the LAB TECHS DNA was found on the tape that explains it was recent,as you yourself say, it had been immersed,but odder is that the OTHER un-identified DNA not belonging to ANYONE identifiable in the circle( know what I mean? ) must have been RECENT too, it only gives more positivity to the theory the body was placed there WAY AFTER she had been killed.

See what I mean?

No................

So who - if not Casey - killed Caylee? Explain your theory.

[caphill]

Perhaps because the remains and the tape were immersed in filthy, disgusting, contaminated flood water for several months?

One only needs to read up on the effects of flood waters during Katrina to realize what that water can leave behind, including death and pestilence. One stray allele is not surprising, nor is it cause for dismissal of the charges.


ETA: BlueMartini claimed there were *fingerprints* on the duct tape. Ergo, s/he was not correct.


More importantly to the defense is the lack of DNA on the evidence at the recovery site as well as lack of DNA evidence in the trunk of the car.

[crimeq]

Just catching up here. Is the general consensus that Cindy knew at this point that her granddaughter was dead and that her daughter killed her?

Hi Aggie, I'm unsure if she actually knew at that point--sometimes I think she was part of a huge coverup from the beginning, before the 911 calls--but if she didn't have acknowledged knowledge that Caylee was dead, she certainly had visceral knowledge (being a nurse of decomposition and all). I think she was in wild denial at the time of the Greta VS interview about Casey, but I believe she knew it had to be Casey.

Cindy's whole thrust in the GVS interview was to deflect, deflect, deflect questions about the facts of the case--and focus on getting Caylee's picture "out there" and get people looking for her.

There is some speculation that the looking-for-Caylee scenario was to generate funds for the Anthonys as they searched for their "missing granddaughter." If that was the case in this particular interview, of course Cindy would want to deflect all questions about the case itself or Casey's involvement.

[crimeq]

She never ceases to amase me, about the check/fraud charges she states " a personal matter between friends". WOW.

A PETTY personal matter between friends. Right. Thirteen criminal counts against her for a PETTY personal matter between friends.

[crimeq]

She never ceases to amase me, about the check/fraud charges she states " a personal matter between friends". WOW.

But it was just ONE time :laugh:

[ResJudicata]

You are correct that the forensic evidence on the duct tape was not reported as fingerprints. It was reported as DNA. BlueMartini was quite correct in one DNA was from the lab tech and the other DNA was foreign. How does the prosecution explain away the unsourced DNA on the tape.

That could be a problem, especially since the defense is: someone else did it. hmm

[KTBarTheDoor]

To be FAIR, do you not find it ODD that only one other source of DNA was discovered on the tape and yet it did not belong to anyone that could be identified as having contact,such as the LAB TECH.
I do find it ODD,and more ODD is that if the LAB TECHS DNA was found on the tape that explains it was recent,as you yourself say, it had been immersed,but odder is that the OTHER un-identified DNA not belonging to ANYONE identifiable in the circle( know what I mean? ) must have been RECENT too, it only gives more positivity to the theory the body was placed there WAY AFTER she had been killed.

See what I mean?

No I don't see what you mean. It is the defense team spewing that someone else's dna was on that tape. They found who that dna IIRC it was a hair belonging to the person who was doing the testing.

Defense team and bc also said there was no tape on Caylee's face around her nose and mouth. And there was .. See what I mean. Its the defense and others working with the defense spewing this things..

Yes Caylee's little body was placed there after she was killed by the killer.. Her mom. and I use that term lightly.

No prints were found on tape because of all the sticky stuff being gone.
Had she been found earlier I'd bet casey's prints would have been all over that tape.

No ONE but the one who gave birth to her murdered her .

[seeing_eye]

You are correct that the forensic evidence on the duct tape was not reported as fingerprints. It was reported as DNA. BlueMartini was quite correct in one DNA was from the lab tech and the other DNA was foreign. How does the prosecution explain away the unsourced DNA on the tape.

The FBI report did not state that the unidentified DNA was foreign. They stated that it was too degraded and not enough of it to make a comparison to anyone.

[crimeq]

thanks neid!
I PM'd you ... Cindy's not putting my comments up on her blog ... which is why I jumped at the chance on the Sentinel !! LOL

BLOG? Cindy has a BLOG? Where?

[KTBarTheDoor]

Hi Aggie, I'm unsure if she actually knew at that point--sometimes I think she was part of a huge coverup from the beginning, before the 911 calls--but if she didn't have acknowledged knowledge that Caylee was dead, she certainly had visceral knowledge (being a nurse of decomposition and all). I think she was in wild denial at the time of the Greta VS interview about Casey, but I believe she knew it had to be Casey.

Cindy's whole thrust in the GVS interview was to deflect, deflect, deflect questions about the facts of the case--and focus on getting Caylee's picture "out there" and get people looking for her.

There is some speculation that the looking-for-Caylee scenario was to generate funds for the Anthonys as they searched for their "missing granddaughter." If that was the case in this particular interview, of course Cindy would want to deflect all questions about the case itself or Casey's involvement.


IMO cindy knew before the 911 calls were every made. In one depo she said that she told george outside in the garage that Caylee was missing.
However, on the 3rd 911 call you can hear cindy telling george while she's on the phone and trying to sound like she's crying. I dont buy that she didnt know way before the 911 call was ever made.

They both knew what that car smelt cindy said it smet like a dead body's been in the damn car. Now they are trying to say its rotting food. Imo I also believe cindy knew way before that. I think it was a plan to leave the car and hoped it got stolen. Theres noway cindy passed amscot everyday and didn't see that car sitting there. When she seen car gone she probably breathed a sigh of relief until she got the letter from Johnson's then thats when she text casey about there being a problem with the car.
ITA about the money and them wanting donations thats why cindy didnt want any questions asked..she just wanted the dough to start rolling in..

[crimeq]

So,YOU were at the Grand jury or are privy to what was testified there at? I see this there is a 2 way modality here.

Ummm, could you try that again, please? no comprende.

[kakax]

I guess you havent read EVERY stitch of evidence in 'THIS' case since there certainly wasnt even '1' fingerprint found on the duct tape, nevermind '2'.

I'm not sure what else to say to you since I really dont know what case you are talking about:confused:


That is what is so amazing to me about defenders of Casey. They haven't even read the information that is out there!

I will rest peacefully knowing that the jury won't be so ill informed.

[LadyHam]

Since the beginning of time a defense team has had a job to do when defending a client. Sometimes the defendant was even guilty and had confessed,the job was still to defend and get the least sentence,punishment possible.

This case is not different,except that the defendant claims innocence, therefore the defense team is defending the client.The defense is trying to make sure that the client has a fair trial. Many feel the defendant is guilty because of the circumstantial evidence, admittedly it does not look as though she is innocent, however they are raising serious doubts due to the evidence that has been collected thus far, which do raise some doubts.

The only real hard evidence I see is that she did not report her daughter missing, and appeared to be acting carefree in some photos.

The stain in the trunk was not from a decomposed body,that was ascertained from there being NO DNA, that one would expect to find from a stain presumed to be from bodily fluids, HUMAN decomposition.

Nothing at the crime scene connects Casey or her parents to the death. One would have expected to find finger prints on duct tape, but the 2 finger prints on the duct tape consist of one being from an agent of the police force and the other non identified, so WHO do the other fingerprints belong to? That raises some serious doubt no matter how you slice it.

There are serious problems with the duct tape that was said to be wrapped around the head. Yes I have read every stitch of evidence and there are reasons for doubt, the only thing i can't get around is not reporting the child missing, but I then go back to mom CINDY , CASEY was rebellious as we can all see, was she so rebellious that she did not let mom know at first not wanting back lash and not THINKING like an adult ,but the child she was " Oh it will be okay"

Who really knows, I don't claim to. should be an interesting trial for sure.

Bolding by me.....

Is that really all the hard evidence that you see? What about all the lies to LE? What about her tattoo? What about the evidence in the trunk of the car: hair w/death band on it, air sample tests, maggots, coffin flies, and paper towels that have grave wax on them? What about the duct tape and other items from the crime scene that connect back to the Anthony family home? What about the fact that Casey is the last known person to be seen w/Caylee?

Color by me....

For the record, there were NO FINGERPRINTS found on the duct tape. The duct tape was too degraded for that. There were 2 areas where DNA was found. One was matched to an FBI tech and the other one is believed to have come from another FBI tech, but since there is not enough of the DNA there could not be definitive testing. If the duct tape was too degraded to contain fingerprints then it makes sense that it would be too degraded to contain DNA from Caylee or her murderer. The FBI keeps their lab tech's DNA on file because as perfect as they try to be, sometimes their DNA does get on some of the evidence that they test.

Also, what about what we don't know yet. I don't think the state has shown their entire hand quite yet. When this case finally goes to trial we will see just what a jury thinks of the evidence in this case. I really think that Casey will be convicted.

[crimeq]

I think Cindy also thinks that the murder of Caylee is a personal matter between family members. :w00t: (Meaning that LE and the general public should just butt out!!) :scared:

Oh Seeing-eye, you can bet she does! She hates that "her business" is public business now; I'm sure she rues the day she dialed 911.

If she had not made that 911 call, I assure you that we never would have heard of Caylee Marie Anthony.

[kakax]

To be FAIR, do you not find it ODD that only one other source of DNA was discovered on the tape and yet it did not belong to anyone that could be identified as having contact,such as the LAB TECH.
I do find it ODD,and more ODD is that if the LAB TECHS DNA was found on the tape that explains it was recent,as you yourself say, it had been immersed,but odder is that the OTHER un-identified DNA not belonging to ANYONE identifiable in the circle( know what I mean? ) must have been RECENT too, it only gives more positivity to the theory the body was placed there WAY AFTER she had been killed.

See what I mean?


Wow...you really do need to read the documents. The OTHER unidentified DNA was too small of a sample for it to be tested. It didn't meet the criteria for being able to conclude anything! You should go to this site and read the article about the duct tape. Maybe you will learn something.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/

[crimeq]

Since the beginning of time a defense team has had a job to do when defending a client. Sometimes the defendant was even guilty and had confessed,the job was still to defend and get the least sentence,punishment possible.

This case is not different,except that the defendant claims innocence, therefore the defense team is defending the client.The defense is trying to make sure that the client has a fair trial. Many feel the defendant is guilty because of the circumstantial evidence, admittedly it does not look as though she is innocent, however they are raising serious doubts due to the evidence that has been collected thus far, which do raise some doubts.

The only real hard evidence I see is that she did not report her daughter missing, and appeared to be acting carefree in some photos.

The stain in the trunk was not from a decomposed body,that was ascertained from there being NO DNA, that one would expect to find from a stain presumed to be from bodily fluids, HUMAN decomposition.

Nothing at the crime scene connects Casey or her parents to the death. One would have expected to find finger prints on duct tape, but the 2 finger prints on the duct tape consist of one being from an agent of the police force and the other non identified, so WHO do the other fingerprints belong to? That raises some serious doubt no matter how you slice it.

There are serious problems with the duct tape that was said to be wrapped around the head. Yes I have read every stitch of evidence and there are reasons for doubt, the only thing i can't get around is not reporting the child missing, but I then go back to mom CINDY , CASEY was rebellious as we can all see, was she so rebellious that she did not let mom know at first not wanting back lash and not THINKING like an adult ,but the child she was " Oh it will be okay"

Who really knows, I don't claim to. should be an interesting trial for sure.

Interesting name, "Blue Martini". I had Blue Martinis on a cruise once :-) Quite a buzz.

I don't understand what you're saying about mom Cindy, and Casey thinking it will be ok? It seems clear to me that Casey thought it would all be very ok.

[Pruddennce]

More importantly to the defense is the lack of DNA on the evidence at the recovery site as well as lack of DNA evidence in the trunk of the car.

havent seen all of the evidence....it hasnt been released, specifically, the flies and the maggots.

IMO, there will be sufficient evidence as to WHOSE dna will be discovered in the body of maggots.

secondly, another piece of evidence that has yet to be released: Mark Hawkins statement.

IMO, it will neither be a shock or surprise to anyone as to what Casey 'intended' on doing in the near future and possibly why she wanted to go to California, which IMO is going to be one of the biggest lies in this debacle.

MO, she could have told him her mother took or was taking Caylee away from her.

which would explain away her lack of child when she would have landed in California, AFTER she conned him out of some money to get there.

there is a reason his statement is being withheld. and the bugs.

the defense is not going to be able to explain her movements and behaviour during that period.....parade of witnesses, one by one will take the stand to state 'what Casey told them'...all different accounts, however, one constant theme: babysitter....at the beach, here, there, everywhere except with Casey.

nor will the defense be able to explain away the hundreds (or is it thousands) hours of cell time, online use and texting. the girl didnt skip a beat except when she was dumping her daughter's remains.

forget the recovery site...Caylee was rotting under water, being eaten by insects and animals. have you not read how the bones were dispersed?

unidentifiable DNA? where? which part of the tape.....animals were around her remains......

and lets not forget jiffy clean, inc, a/k/a Cindy Anthony and George Anthony. the cleanup team compromised the car and her clothes and withheld facts.

they searched their own backyard for what? why? they believed their daughter yet they are 'looking' for something? something to throw away or hide. such as the lanyard: Cindy accused LE of taking it, but then admitted SHE took it hid it in her bedroom .....then, turned it over to the defense.

they should have been arrested. they werent, but I feel the wind will change. when they least expect it.


IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[crimeq]

From what we've seen of the A's, that's exactly what would have happened ... no one would have ever known !!

Denjet, I'm so sure you are right about this; I'm in full agreement.

When I think about it, I wonder how they'd live with the gorilla in the living room, you know? Would they ever talk about it again? Would they have a shrine to Caylee, like they do now? Would they simply never speak of it again? Surely it would have deteriorated that family--except, they aren't normal people anyway, not a normal family--so again, who knows?

[Pruddennce]

Oh Seeing-eye, you can bet she does! She hates that "her business" is public business now; I'm sure she rues the day she dialed 911.

If she had not made that 911 call, I assure you that we never would have heard of Caylee Marie Anthony.

ditto.....probably a few years would have passed and Cindy would finally get on a plane to california to 'see caylee' (yes I am of the opinion Casey was working on getting a free ticket there)....then come back to florida and ask for AN AMBER ALERT for a 5 year old.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[kakax]

A PETTY personal matter between friends. Right. Thirteen criminal counts against her for a PETTY personal matter between friends.

Well, since Cindy never felt that she should discipline Casey for stealing her money...she must feel that other people's money is even less valuable.

Amy worked hard for her money. IMO, stealing from a stranger is even worse than taking Cindy's credit cards. Casey stealing from her Grandparents is even worse. Fixed income seniors with health problems...Casey is a sick, twisted human being. I'm not even sure she is human actually.

[caphill]

I don't see how Spot didn't get it?

Anyway, its true there is a severe LACK of evidence. If the pros wants to use the stain in trunk as evidence they will have to overcome the FACT there is no DNA in the stain, if it was supposed body fluid there would be DNA in it.

As for the stench in the car, well I did see all the decomposed FOOD and litter, good golly molly that car was nasty !


It is an accepted fact the garbage was in the trunk of the car for at least 18 days in the Fla July heat. It defies logic that Casey would have killed her daugher and hauled her around in the trunk of the car long enough for her to decompose before carrying her back to her neighborhood to dump her.

If she killed Caylee on the 15th or 16th of June and triple bagged her before immediately dumping her there should be no smell.

[Pruddennce]

Denjet, I'm so sure you are right about this; I'm in full agreement.

When I think about it, I wonder how they'd live with the gorilla in the living room, you know? Would they ever talk about it again? Would they have a shrine to Caylee, like they do now? Would they simply never speak of it again? Surely it would have deteriorated that family--except, they aren't normal people anyway, not a normal family--so again, who knows?

its a family of liars, scammers and psychopaths.

normal in their bubble house. Cindy's only regret IMO is not being able to control "THE LEAK".

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[kakax]

ditto.....probably a few years would have passed and Cindy would finally get on a plane to california to 'see caylee' (yes I am of the opinion Casey was working on getting a free ticket there)....then come back to florida and ask for AN AMBER ALERT for a 5 year old.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

I agree, my friend!

Casey was working laying the groundwork for an escape out to CA. She strung Mark along to keep him there should she need to get out. I think that she was so enamered with Tone that she put those plans on hold somewhat. She was practicing spelling his last name at the end of her own, after all.

[seeing_eye]

Oh Seeing-eye, you can bet she does! She hates that "her business" is public business now; I'm sure she rues the day she dialed 911.

If she had not made that 911 call, I assure you that we never would have heard of Caylee Marie Anthony.

I agree completely, crime. The Anthonys (more specifically Cindy) would have covered up for Casey's "one little indiscretion" and cleaned up her mess for her just as she's always done. I also think Casey fully expected this to happen. MOO

[LadyHam]

You are correct that the forensic evidence on the duct tape was not reported as fingerprints. It was reported as DNA. BlueMartini was quite correct in one DNA was from the lab tech and the other DNA was foreign. How does the prosecution explain away the unsourced DNA on the tape.

It has been explained away by most likely belonging to another FBI tech, but there wasn't enough DNA on the tape for definitive testing.

Seriously, if Caylee's body decomposed so badly that she was literally just bones, and the tape deteriorated so badly by being underwater for nearly 6 months, I find it hard to believe that the microscopic DNA of Caylee's murderer would have been able to survive under those conditions.

[KTBarTheDoor]

havent seen all of the evidence....it hasnt been released, specifically, the flies and the maggots.

IMO, there will be sufficient evidence as to WHOSE dna will be discovered in the body of maggots.

secondly, another piece of evidence that has yet to be released: Mark Hawkins statement.

IMO, it will neither be a shock or surprise to anyone as to what Casey 'intended' on doing in the near future and possibly why she wanted to go to California, which IMO is going to be one of the biggest lies in this debacle.

MO, she could have told him her mother took or was taking Caylee away from her.

which would explain away her lack of child when she would have landed in California, AFTER she conned him out of some money to get there.

there is a reason his statement is being withheld. and the bugs.

the defense is not going to be able to explain her movements and behaviour during that period.....parade of witnesses, one by one will take the stand to state 'what Casey told them'...all different accounts, however, one constant theme: babysitter....at the beach, here, there, everywhere except with Casey.

nor will the defense be able to explain away the hundreds (or is it thousands) hours of cell time, online use and texting. the girl didnt skip a beat except when she was dumping her daughter's remains.

forget the recovery site...Caylee was rotting under water, being eaten by insects and animals. have you not read how the bones were dispersed?

unidentifiable DNA? where? which part of the tape.....animals were around her remains......

and lets not forget jiffy clean, inc, a/k/a Cindy Anthony and George Anthony. the cleanup team compromised the car and her clothes and withheld facts.

they searched their own backyard for what? why? they believed their daughter yet they are 'looking' for something? something to throw away or hide. such as the lanyard: Cindy accused LE of taking it, but then admitted SHE took it hid it in her bedroom .....then, turned it over to the defense.

they should have been arrested. they werent, but I feel the wind will change. when they least expect it.


IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

ITA!. Hope the da's will release the grand jury testimony. Want to see how many other lies george was caught in.

[kakax]

It is an accepted fact the garbage was in the trunk of the car for at least 18 days in the Fla July heat. It defies logic that Casey would have killed her daugher and hauled her around in the trunk of the car long enough for her to decompose before carrying her back to her neighborhood to dump her.

If she killed Caylee on the 15th or 16th of June and triple bagged her before immediately dumping her there should be no smell.


Someone did it, Cap. Caylee didn't walk herself into those woods with duct tape on her face. No one else had access to Casey's car. Not one person she said has connections with the "nanny" has been found. Her entire story was fabricated.

I'm wondering who you think did this?

[kakax]

It has been explained away by most likely belonging to another FBI tech, but there wasn't enough DNA on the tape for definitive testing.

Seriously, if Caylee's body decomposed so badly that she was literally just bones, and the tape deteriorated so badly by being underwater for nearly 6 months, I find it hard to believe that the microscopic DNA of Caylee's murderer would have been able to survive under those conditions.

I'm not even certain it was the lab tech. I believe it was someone that was on scene in Florida. It wasn't the lab tech at the FBI. IIRC.

[KTBarTheDoor]

Someone did it, Cap. Caylee didn't walk herself into those woods with duct tape on her face. No one else had access to Casey's car. Not one person she said has connections with the "nanny" has been found. Her entire story was fabricated.

I'm wondering who you think did this?

Exactly and she sure didn't climb into the laundry hamper then double bag herself in the trash bags.

[LadyHam]

More importantly to the defense is the lack of DNA on the evidence at the recovery site as well as lack of DNA evidence in the trunk of the car.

The lack of DNA at the recovery site is not troublesome at all. Caylee's body was out in the swamp down the street from the Anthony family home for almost 6 months. Any evidence was washed away by time and the elements.

As for the trunk of the car, there is the hair w/the death band on it that belongs to Caylee. That may be all the prosecution needs to tie Casey to a dead Caylee. Don't forget that the Anthony's did a major clean up of that trunk by vacuuming it and cleaning it w/Febreeze and I think probably a few other much stronger chemicals. There is also evidence that we have not seen yet from the car so I wouldn't be so quick to say there is a lack of evidence from the trunk of the car. We still are waiting on the maggot evidence. Plus, there are the paper towels w/the grave wax on it.

Putting all forensics aside, there is the very strong and compelling circumstantial evidence. I won't go on to list it here, because I think we are all pretty familiar w/it by now.

[LadyHam]

I don't see how Spot didn't get it?

Anyway, its true there is a severe LACK of evidence. If the pros wants to use the stain in trunk as evidence they will have to overcome the FACT there is no DNA in the stain, if it was supposed body fluid there would be DNA in it.

As for the stench in the car, well I did see all the decomposed FOOD and litter, good golly molly that car was nasty !

Well, if there is such a lack of evidence, then you would think the defense would want to take this case to trial right now so that they could get their client acquitted and out of jail right away. The fact that they don't want to do that tells me that they are very concerned about the evidence because they know it will send her to jail for the rest of her life. :D

[Pruddennce]

It is an accepted fact the garbage was in the trunk of the car for at least 18 days in the Fla July heat. It defies logic that Casey would have killed her daugher and hauled her around in the trunk of the car long enough for her to decompose before carrying her back to her neighborhood to dump her.

If she killed Caylee on the 15th or 16th of June and triple bagged her before immediately dumping her there should be no smell.

there wasnt any garbage in the trunk.

if you want to call cheese wrappers and/or food wrappers with DRIED UP teeny bits on it garbage, well, we disagree.

empty soda can? bunch of papers....a very lightweight bag with no scraped off food plate remains in it...

ummm.....THERE WAS AN ODOR. ask Casey :sneaky: she texted all about her 'dead animal' stuck on her car and blamed her father.<-----lie that suddenly didnt smell anymore. <-----lie
source gone<------true animal <---lie smell gone <----lie

Casey and her details....gotta love it.....she texted about the smell just in case she had an unexpected passenger. she made sure on June 27th, she wasnt going to have any passengers.

she didnt dump her on the 16th or 18th...more like the 24th of June IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[kakax]

The lack of DNA at the recovery site is not troublesome at all. Caylee's body was out in the swamp down the street from the Anthony family home for almost 6 months. Any evidence was washed away by time and the elements.

As for the trunk of the car, there is the hair w/the death band on it that belongs to Caylee. That may be all the prosecution needs to tie Casey to a dead Caylee. Don't forget that the Anthony's did a major clean up of that trunk by vacuuming it and cleaning it w/Febreeze and I think probably a few other much stronger chemicals. There is also evidence that we have not seen yet from the car so I wouldn't be so quick to say there is a lack of evidence from the trunk of the car. We still are waiting on the maggot evidence. Plus, there are the paper towels w/the grave wax on it.

Putting all forensics aside, there is the very strong and compelling circumstantial evidence. I won't go on to list it here, because I think we are all pretty familiar w/it by now.


These same people who used the excuse that DNA not being found in the Melanie McGuire case meant she was innocent. I'm starting to believe it is pointless to try and point out the facts to people who won't even read the documents.

[crimeq]

The FBI report did not state that the unidentified DNA was foreign. They stated that it was too degraded and not enough of it to make a comparison to anyone.

Correct--no one could be ruled in, no one could be ruled out. It could not be compared to anyone, known/unknown.

[kakax]

there wasnt any garbage in the trunk.

if you want to call cheese wrappers and/or food wrappers with DRIED UP teeny bits on it garbage, well, we disagree.

empty soda can? bunch of papers....a very lightweight bag with no scraped off food plate remains in it...

ummm.....THERE WAS AN ODOR. ask Casey :sneaky: she texted all about her 'dead animal' stuck on her car and blamed her father.<-----lie that suddenly didnt smell anymore. <-----lie
source gone<------true animal <---lie smell gone <----lie

Casey and her details....gotta love it.....she texted about the smell just in case she had an unexpected passenger. she made sure on June 27th, she wasnt going to have any passengers.

she didnt dump her on the 16th or 18th...more like the 24th of June IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*


Did you get the book, Pru?

[seeing_eye]

It is an accepted fact the garbage was in the trunk of the car for at least 18 days in the Fla July heat. It defies logic that Casey would have killed her daugher and hauled her around in the trunk of the car long enough for her to decompose before carrying her back to her neighborhood to dump her.

If she killed Caylee on the 15th or 16th of June and triple bagged her before immediately dumping her there should be no smell.

I agree that it defies logic for anyone to drive around with a decomposing body in the trunk of their car. However, Casey has shown in many ways that she possesses no logic. IIRC, the FBI estimates that a decomposing body was in the trunk of Casey's car for about 2.5 days.

[crimeq]

its a family of liars, scammers and psychopaths.

normal in their bubble house. Cindy's only regret IMO is not being able to control "THE LEAK".

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

Bold mine.

Guess they were all out of duct tape.

[crimeq]

I agree completely, crime. The Anthonys (more specifically Cindy) would have covered up for Casey's "one little indiscretion" and cleaned up her mess for her just as she's always done. I also think Casey fully expected this to happen. MOO

Seeing-eye, I think you're right about this. I think Casey was afraid to come home, didn't want to face the music--but fully expected that when it was inevitable, Cindy would take care of everything for her.

I look back to Casey's expression during her first hearing, when she was brought into the courtroom in handcuffs, wearing the blue hoodie, and she had a big celebrity grin on her face--at one point she looked back at her parents and smiled, it was like it was all a big game to her--I'm very sure that at that very moment, Casey was thinking it was just a matter of time, a formality, and Cindy would have her out of there and back at home. Either she had no idea how serious her situation was--or Cindy had assured her it would be alright, that she'd take care of it pronto. Casey had NO IDEA even at that point that her freedom was in jeopardy, much less that her life was on the line.

[seeing_eye]

Bold mine.

Guess they were all out of duct tape.

Yes, they used it all on the missing child posters! :biggrin:

[Pruddennce]

I agree, my friend!

Casey was working laying the groundwork for an escape out to CA. She strung Mark along to keep him there should she need to get out. I think that she was so enamered with Tone that she put those plans on hold somewhat. She was practicing spelling his last name at the end of her own, after all.

hey k!

hmmmm....I respectfully disagree. IMO casey was coasting out of the relationship with tony....she was cultivating a relationship with Will...she spent the entire day with him up to and including on the phone while she went to pick up Tony....

Will was her next victim...probably money....she was on a spree......also, Tony was moving out in the future, and she was not included in those plans to share an apt with him.....

LE's investigative notes indicate she was in constant contact with M Hawkins.......

Casey was not in Tony's future and she knew it.....the childish writing her name along with his? IMO, that occurred 10 minutes after she was with tony, lol......just juvenile and wacko. who knows how long that was in her car..... as we have heard from witnesses, she moves along....heck Ricardo's statement indicates they slept together the nite of June 9th (ah yes, the original missing weekend when Casey didnt come home with Caylee)......at a time when she just began a relationship with Tony....

Casey used people and liked attention....being with 'the man and the club association' was hot stuff for her...as evidenced by her web postings and invites...she behaved as if SHE was running the events.....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

[ResJudicata]

That is what is so amazing to me about defenders of Casey. They haven't even read the information that is out there!

I will rest peacefully knowing that the jury won't be so ill informed.


While the rest of America will understand the value of an open mind, and recognize that a juror has a duty to view all the evidence, before convicting someone and possibly sending them to their death.

[AnnieKins]

I don't see how Spot didn't get it?

Anyway, its true there is a severe LACK of evidence. If the pros wants to use the stain in trunk as evidence they will have to overcome the FACT there is no DNA in the stain, if it was supposed body fluid there would be DNA in it.

As for the stench in the car, well I did see all the decomposed FOOD and litter, good golly molly that car was nasty !

Okay... I get it now. It's a tag-team match.

George and Cindy read the Diane Fanning book today and decided to come to IS to let off a little steam.

[Pruddennce]

Did you get the book, Pru?

no K, I did not and will not. I dont like to read about a case that hasnt been formally tried, that hasnt even started yet.

:D

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[seeing_eye]

Seeing-eye, I think you're right about this. I think Casey was afraid to come home, didn't want to face the music--but fully expected that when it was inevitable, Cindy would take care of everything for her.

I look back to Casey's expression during her first hearing, when she was brought into the courtroom in handcuffs, wearing the blue hoodie, and she had a big celebrity grin on her face--at one point she looked back at her parents and smiled, it was like it was all a big game to her--I'm very sure that at that very moment, Casey was thinking it was just a matter of time, a formality, and Cindy would have her out of there and back at home. Either she had no idea how serious her situation was--or Cindy had assured her it would be alright, that she'd take care of it pronto. Casey had NO IDEA even at that point that her freedom was in jeopardy, much less that her life was on the line.

I think several people who were around Casey while out on bond said she appeared to think this whole thing was just some kind of game. I wonder how she thinks that game is going now that she's spent a year without her cell phone?

[AnnieKins]

no K, I did not and will not. I dont like to read about a case that hasnt been formally tried, that hasnt even started yet.

:D

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

I'm in complete agreement with you on this one, Pru. I will read the opinions of posters here and save myself a little money. :smile:

[AnnieKins]

I think several people who were around Casey while out on bond said she appeared to think this whole thing was just some kind of game. I wonder how she thinks that game is going now that she's spent a year without her cell phone?

Can you imagine the withdrawal that girl has gone through? She was absolutely addicted to her cell phone. I hope it was long and I hope it was painful. (The same that I wish for all her future days.)

[Pruddennce]

While the rest of America will understand the value of an open mind, and recognize that a juror has a duty to view all the evidence, before convicting someone and possibly sending them to their death.

yes, an open mind as to why a mother would be out partying, getting a tattoo, spending hours on the internet talking to her friends, endless hours of cell/text use, renting videos HOURS LATER after her daughter was supposedly kidnapped.....a few days later, goes out clubbing...

on video 3x IIRC at JC Pennys shopping.

attended a 4th of July party and helped planned it....caught on video shopping at target, buying beer and lingerie and other clothing (not mentioning of course how she paid for the items)......

and most notably, never reported her missing. instead, she commenced with her normal activities with no interruptions....no KID interruptions......

the jurors minds will be blown WIDE OPEN :D

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

[Pruddennce]

I think several people who were around Casey while out on bond said she appeared to think this whole thing was just some kind of game. I wonder how she thinks that game is going now that she's spent a year without her cell phone?

we saw how she 'felt' on August 14th.....on video....she had a meltdown...and IMO that is precisely why the defense has advised her not to participate in visits.

she cannot be trusted.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

[KTBarTheDoor]

You know I've been thinking all along had casey and the anthonys had a better plan in place no one would have ever known.

I've always wondered why they just didn't tell everyone that casey put Caylee up for adoption and left it at that? Or for that matter why casey did not tell everyone that. No one would be looking for Caylee cindy and george could have played the grandparents that there granddaughter had been given away by casey and there was nothing they could do, because it was casey's child and her decision

Aww but then again if they said casey gave her up no one would be paying for pictures, interviews, video's or sending money.

[KTBarTheDoor]

we saw how she 'felt' on August 14th.....on video....she had a meltdown...and IMO that is precisely why the defense has advised her not to participate in visits.

she cannot be trusted.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

Eaxctly. they were afraid that she might say something the next time she got mad and all be on tape.

Just wondering if DA's office will use the statement casey made to cindy and george about her sending letters thru him and they could give him letters to give to her. He probably was not happy about her saying that because he knows that's a no no.
IIRC cindy or george said in depo they never recieved any letters from baez. IMO they did no go for over a year with no contact with her at all.and baez sure did a lot of home visits to the anthonys.

Is there a court date set for hearing where dc is still trying to get out of depos on the 12?

Dang I want that maggot evidence. I'll bet defense already has it.
Once that evidence comes out and the maggots were collected from the trunk theres no way baez is going to be able to say that evidence is tainted from crime lab or it dont exist. Maggot evidence combined h with death band on hair, grave wax and coffin flies all found in the trunk will be enough to nail her but to the wall....

[KTBarTheDoor]

There is so much evidence against casey that we know of from FL. laws
and so much more we dont know yet. IMO on the evidence we know so far it's enough for a conviction.

The coffin flies, grave wax, death band on hair, smell of car, no one but casey and they anthonys had access to the car. Tape on Caylee's face and nose linking laundry hamper, winnie the pooh blanket that matches the set on Caylee's bed. IMO no one had access to all that but casey and the anthonys.

Thats just some of the evidence we know about...and it all links right back to her and or the anthonys.

[AnnieKins]

Where oh where is the DNA in these coffin flies and grave wax ?

The phantom death band on hair ( pft ) that is rubbish,it has spoken for itself.( there was NO death band).

Tape on the mouth and nose? You have listened to the defense on that right?

Access to the CAR is a non issue, there has to be proof of a BODY in the car to even go there on that and it ain't there.

Everything but the kitchen sink was in Casey's car, how it all fit is beyond me, but well you saw the pictures right?

The coffin flies sure has a dramatic ring to it doesn't it as does grave wax, fatty acids? Hmmmmmmm........where was that DNA again? Oh and about those coffin flies...........since they were there too , supposedly consuming DNA, where was that DNA again?

Soda Pops? Legal? Scooby? FMO? My head is spinning... :ohmy:

[ResJudicata]

Soda Pops? Legal? Scooby? FMO? My head is spinning... :ohmy:

Rut roh!!!!

[seeing_eye]

Soda Pops? Legal? Scooby? FMO? My head is spinning... :ohmy:

People who drink soda pops sometime graduate to alcoholic beverages.

[ResJudicata]

People who drink soda pops sometime graduate to alcoholic beverages.


The first step is admitting it. We all wish you luck and lots o' luv.
:wink:

[seeing_eye]

I was thinking someone wanted to refute my post,but I suppose it would be difficult,since there has been no DNA found.So yeah the coffin flies and grave wax not having any DNA just makes no sense now does it. Of course I want someone punished for what happened to that child,but of course i want the right person punished,that is the ISSUE at hand.

If you don't think Casey snuffed the life out of her own daughter, who do you think did the foul deed?

[KTBarTheDoor]

Where oh where is the DNA in these coffin flies and grave wax ?

The phantom death band on hair ( pft ) that is rubbish,it has spoken for itself.( there was NO death band).

Tape on the mouth and nose? You have listened to the defense on that right?

Access to the CAR is a non issue, there has to be proof of a BODY in the car to even go there on that and it ain't there.

Everything but the kitchen sink was in Casey's car, how it all fit is beyond me, but well you saw the pictures right?

The coffin flies sure has a dramatic ring to it doesn't it as does grave wax, fatty acids? Hmmmmmmm........where was that DNA again? Oh and about those coffin flies...........since they were there too , supposedly consuming DNA, where was that DNA again?

Oh you think it's normal to have GRAVE WAX in the trunk of your car?
Hair that matches Caylee's hair with the death band on it? and Coffin flies and maggots in your trunk? Maybe you are not the one listening ?
Tape matches tape form the Antonys home it was on the gas can and also they used it to tape posters of Caylee up.
Oh yes I seen pictures of ALL the EMPTY things in casey's car. NO FOOD and food that has been cooked would not produce maggots and food uncooked would not produce coffin flies.
I am betting when maggot evidence come back and not to sure that ITS not back. The dna will be Caylee's

Oh I listen to defense team blowing smoke and i hear bc lying just like the rest NO TAPE, NO TAPE,NO TAPE! While george fakes a suicide attempt with a six pack and pizza to get eveyone off the duct tape evidence that came out that day. and Lo and BEHOLD theres tape.

DNA will be there. Just like cindy giving wrong hair brush to FBI still didnt help they still found Caylee's hair and yes the hair matches the hair with the death band.

cindy and george getting paid for all there interviews pictures and Videos of Caylee is just putting nails in casey coffin.
Keep on talking the more they talk the more lies that are coming.. The more nails..

Coffing flies, grave wax, hair with death band, smell of car, Oh yeah the decomp test and the outline in trunk is a big issue.. Hate to tell you but the car and evidence in the car is and issue.
Maybe you should read the docs .

OH By the WAY I know how much the casey's defense tells the truth. they all LIE! and so does BC.

[KTBarTheDoor]

I was thinking someone wanted to refute my post,but I suppose it would be difficult,since there has been no DNA found.So yeah the coffin flies and grave wax not having any DNA just makes no sense now does it. Of course I want someone punished for what happened to that child,but of course i want the right person punished,that is the ISSUE at hand.

Oh the right person will be punished. casey will get everything she deserves. since she had no consequences to her actions while growing up she will surely get them now.. She cant MURDER a child in cold blood and get a pat on the back and be able to try it again. The state is not mommy. and they are not going to let her get by with murder or stealing checks and money. Too bad mommy didnt give her some rules to follow while she was growing up. but then again imo cindy is just as narcissitic as casey is.. Children learn what they live. evidently cindy was just as jealous as casey as casey was of Caylee.
cindys own words, casey loves Caylee more then I love casey.. Now that really bad when a mother can say that. Thats sure not saying much for cindy.

[NosyParker]

In response to this post;

"Well, if there is such a lack of evidence, then you would think the defense would want to take this case to trial right now so that they could get their client acquitted and out of jail right away. The fact that they don't want to do that tells me that they are very concerned about the evidence because they know it will send her to jail for the rest of her life."

You're absoutely right. Instead, they are delaying because there is NO defense and they are going through the motions (puts a whole new meaning on that statement for us non-legal people) as they're expected to. I was not surprised to hear that all of these motions are standard and expected. Somehow Baez neglected to follow through and his colleague, who is an experienced attorney and knows her stuff is simply correcting all of the deficiencies.

Blue Martini, I've read through the whole thread this evening. Many people tried to respond to you. IMO, your arguments are invalid and without merit. You seem to know a little bit about some of the details of the released evidence, certainly not enough to argue your opinion, never mind change anyone else's mind, especially those who have read every bit of discovery evidence that's been released and only then, formed an opinion. I think you should start at the beginning and catch up. You've got a lot of homework to do.

[seeing_eye]

I've already shared my thoughts on the flies and wax and most of the rest. It didn't take but a moment,its pretty simple,if the body had been there there would have been DNA, but there was not and there was no death band on the single hair that they found. ( single hair without death band) just want to emphasize that.

Why ever do you think DNA will be in maggots guts and not the flies? Why ever do you think that saturated fats if from a decomposing body would not have DNA, yet saliva does?

And that stain in the trunk, why ever would it not have DNA? Its a stain from the garbage bag in trunk,if the garbage bag contained the body and the bodily fluids leaked and caused the stain the DNA would be there,but it was not.

Casey could not have pulled off the perfect crime without a shred of DNA and yet not be able to come up with a plan, even a believable one at that.She tells the police all kinds of stories, had 30 days to have thunk up a good one and didn't ? I could add a zillion more examples,but the LACK of DNA is all telling.

The lack of DNA in the trunk can be easily explained by the fact that the nurse of decomp destroyed evidence by cleaning it all out and washing the clothes, among other things, even to the point of getting a new washing machine.

Oh, and the reason Casey didn't come up with a good story during those 31 days when partying is because she fully expected someone else to clean up the mess she made.

[KTBarTheDoor]

I've already shared my thoughts on the flies and wax and most of the rest. It didn't take but a moment,its pretty simple,if the body had been there there would have been DNA, but there was not and there was no death band on the single hair that they found. ( single hair without death band) just want to emphasize that.

Why ever do you think DNA will be in maggots guts and not the flies? Why ever do you think that saturated fats if from a decomposing body would not have DNA, yet saliva does?

And that stain in the trunk, why ever would it not have DNA? Its a stain from the garbage bag in trunk,if the garbage bag contained the body and the bodily fluids leaked and caused the stain the DNA would be there,but it was not.

Casey could not have pulled off the perfect crime without a shred of DNA and yet not be able to come up with a plan, even a believable one at that.She tells the police all kinds of stories, had 30 days to have thunk up a good one and didn't ? I could add a zillion more examples,but the LACK of DNA is all telling.

For one there was the death band on the hair. As for stain in trunk when you have someone cleaning evidence out of the car and god only knows what they used to remove the evidence for there murdering daughter. cindy being a nurse and george being a cop they know what will destroy evidence.

and IIRC correctly the evidence from dna from maggots coffins flies and grave wax has not been released yet. Oh but when it is casey's probably going to get death. It will be one more nail in her coffin.
caseys 30 days was to party hearty. stealing money shop get tattoos of the beautiful life since Caylee was gone and to sleep with every tom dick and harry she wanted to. and she never thought she'd every go to jail. she thought everyone would believe her lies just like mommy did.
OOPS that didnt happen..
I hope cindy and george gets some new jewelry soon cindy like bracelets maybe soon she'll get a matching pair..
IMO they need to have a new room right beside there daughter.
For destroying evidence, hindering an on going investigation LYING to police hiding the landyard and blaming it on LE for taking it,obstruction of justice . tampering with evidence. giving FBI wrong hairbrush, lying in depos. OH yes there is many charges I like to see them slapped with.
I also hope they pass a law the NO ONE can make money off of a dead victim like george and cindy has. selling pictures interviews and videos and everything they cant get there grubbing hands on of Caylee's is sick.

No casey didnt pull off the perfect crime she's in jail..Theres is dna . just wait and see..
BTW grave wax , coffin flies,hair with death band on it and maggots are in that trunk because of Caylee's dead little body. not because of trash..

[KTBarTheDoor]

The lack of DNA in the trunk can be easily explained by the fact that the nurse of decomp destroyed evidence by cleaning it all out and washing the clothes, among other things, even to the point of getting a new washing machine.

Oh, and the reason Casey didn't come up with a good story during those 31 days when partying is because she fully expected someone else to clean up the mess she made.

ITA! mommy always cleaned it up before....thought she'd do the same with murder. and they sure tried..to clean away all the evidence. But they can never get rid of the smell of their dead granddaughter rotting away in the trunk of casey's car.

[seeing_eye]

ITA! mommy always cleaned it up before....thought she'd do the same with murder.

I have a feeling reality may be dawning on Casey. But then again, Casey may be too obtuse to recognize reality.

[KTBarTheDoor]

I have a feeling reality may be dawning on Casey. But then again, Casey may be too obtuse to recognize reality.

I think your right on her being to obtuse to recognize it. she thinks she'll walk like she has with every thing else in her life. Be on the beach next year. and maybe getting a new tattoo with her prison number right below her bella vitta tattoo

[farrahrani]

I was thinking someone wanted to refute my post,but I suppose it would be difficult,since there has been no DNA found.So yeah the coffin flies and grave wax not having any DNA just makes no sense now does it. Of course I want someone punished for what happened to that child,but of course i want the right person punished,that is the ISSUE at hand.


Bold is mine.

That child had a name. She was Caylee Anthony, a beautiful, yet unwanted two year old baby.

I would like to know who had means, motive, access to the Anthony home to get the hamper, blanket, duct tape, trash bags, pooh blanket, book, and clothes. Who would put Caylee's body in Casey's car long enough for it to stink like a decomposing body, then move it in secret? And who for god's sake doesn't clean their car when it stinks, and check out what is causing it?

I'm sorry, but even without a shred of physical evidence, without Caylee's remains, without ANYTHING, everything by force of logic, still points to Casey.

[Scampi]

I think Cindy also thinks that the murder of Caylee is a personal matter between family members. :w00t: (Meaning that LE and the general public should just butt out!!) :scared:

I think you are exactly right about this and had cynthia not ran amok and called 911 because she was so angry, it would have stayed a private matter and Caylee would never have been given a second thought. casey would have been excused and Caylee's absence explained away somehow.

[Scampi]

Where oh where is the DNA in these coffin flies and grave wax ?

The phantom death band on hair ( pft ) that is rubbish,it has spoken for itself.( there was NO death band).

Tape on the mouth and nose? You have listened to the defense on that right?

Access to the CAR is a non issue, there has to be proof of a BODY in the car to even go there on that and it ain't there.

Everything but the kitchen sink was in Casey's car, how it all fit is beyond me, but well you saw the pictures right?

The coffin flies sure has a dramatic ring to it doesn't it as does grave wax, fatty acids? Hmmmmmmm........where was that DNA again? Oh and about those coffin flies...........since they were there too , supposedly consuming DNA, where was that DNA again?

There was human decomposition found on the carpet sample from the trunk according to the FBI testing. Where do you think that came from?

There was indeed one hair found with a death band, the jury will decide its relevance.

Caylee's dna may be found in the crops of the maggots that were feasting on her remains, we have yet to get those test results.

Adipocere only occurs when a dead body decomposes, that some was found on paper towels in that trunk is very damning evidence.

There should never be duct tape on a child's skull.....anywhere, but I believe the prosecutors will make a good case this particular duct tape was placed over Caylee's mouth and nose. It's up to the Jury to decide why.

The desperate defense will never explain away the 31 day failure to call 911 and the deplorable actions of this accused babykiller during those 31 days. IMO.

[desmom]

I was thinking someone wanted to refute my post,but I suppose it would be difficult,since there has been no DNA found.So yeah the coffin flies and grave wax not having any DNA just makes no sense now does it. Of course I want someone punished for what happened to that child,but of course i want the right person punished,that is the ISSUE at hand.

Has the forensics on the grave wax and flies been released? Did I miss it? TIA

[farrahrani]

Has the forensics on the grave wax and flies been released? Did I miss it? TIA

Have you heard Pru's shrieks of joy clear across the intrawebz? :w00t:

Then no, it hasn't. :tongue:

The Conway-like twist on evidence (no, there is no duct tape, dna, etc.,) just makes this person who refers to ''that child'' less credible, IMO. :sneaky:

Frankly unless you want disinformation I'd just skip and scroll because once there is nobody left to entertain them while they spew inaccurate, biased rants, they will move on. IMO

[Kathlb]

Has the forensics on the grave wax and flies been released? Did I miss it? TIA

Nope, not as far as I know. Sounds like someone is being creative in their statement of facts since those facts are decidedly in error. There was a hair that was consistent with decomp, grave wax doesn't materialize out of thin air, and we're still waiting on some results that were stated as having been out there when they haven't been released yet. And I've only heard of one family that refers to Caylee as "that child" "that little girl".

[desmom]

Have you heard Pru's shrieks of joy clear across the intrawebz? :w00t:

Then no, it hasn't. :tongue:

The Conway-like twist on evidence (no, there is no duct tape, dna, etc.,) just makes this person who refers to ''that child'' less credible, IMO. :sneaky:

Frankly unless you want disinformation I'd just skip and scroll because once there is nobody left to entertain them while they spew inaccurate, biased rants, they will move on. IMO


BBM - You make a good point.

That darn duct tape with the Henkel logo on the remains, the Anthony gas can and used to hang up posters in the Anthony's info booth is going to be very difficult for the defense to explain away. jmo

[desmom]

Nope, not as far as I know. Sounds like someone is being creative in their statement of facts since those facts are decidedly in error. There was a hair that was consistent with decomp, grave wax doesn't materialize out of thin air, and we're still waiting on some results that were stated as having been out there when they haven't been released yet. And I've only heard of one family that refers to Caylee as "that child" "that little girl".

Oh and the vacuum cleaners LE removed from the Anthonys in December. I realize it was 6 months after Cindy cleaned the car, but it is possible something from Casey's trunk hung up in the hose or in the canister of one of the vacuum cleaners.

jmo

[desmom]

US outrage over toddler death play Tot Mum
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26303425-401,00.html

The Sydney Theatre Company said it will not profit from the play and that Soderbergh will be donating his fee to the National Centre for Missing and Exploited Children.