Michael 11-2 - 11-3

[ResJudicata]

So.. its evident that Michael was prepared and ready to do the concerts. The question that remains is when will those responsible for his death be brought to justice?

[Firehead11]

So.. its evident that Michael was prepared and ready to do the concerts. The question that remains is when will those responsible for his death be brought to justice?

Have you changed your opinion as to what Murray should be charged with (if ever)?

I really didn't see a druggie in his movie. I do not believe Klein's bill that he filed against the estate is in any way accurate. Geesh, if you look at each line item, Jackson would have to sit there for hours getting these shots. What doctor waits for months to even bill a patient? This bill even has dates when Murray was suppose to be in charge. IMO, the man needs more money and this is the only way he can get it.

[ResJudicata]

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Again... you are misinformed.

Michael Jackson requested that the civil trial be delayed until after the criminal trial was resolved. This was to ensure that the prosecution would not be privy to his entire defense strategy months before the criminal trial began. But Michael Jackson's request was denied.

Documents about the settlement that leaked out on the Internet reveal that with signing the documents the accusing family dropped all 6 child abuse charges from their complaint. Michael Jackson only settled for one claim of negligence and denied any wrongdoing. The accusers agreed, and could still testify against Michael Jackson in the criminal case, as the settlement did not prevent this. But they didn’t and they refused to further cooperate with authorities.
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Brought over from other thread. My bolding

No, you are misinformed.

I do not believe for a minuet Jackson requested the civil trial wait until after the criminal charges were resolved. Who denied that so called request? The insurance company? They didn't want this to go to trial either. They knew the state had a strong case.

Ok, I give up. Why would the victim refuse to continue to cooperate with police if not for the money?


The judge refused Michael Jackson's motion. Afterwards a new California law was created that would allow the court to put on hold civil matters until after the related criminal matter had reached disposition.

The victim was Michael Jackson, but the Chandlers knew that there was no evidence to convict Michael, and probably didn't want to be charged with extortion.

Its been suggested that you read the facts before sharing your thoughts. Reading is the key to knowledge.

[ResJudicata]

Have you changed your opinion as to what Murray should be charged with (if ever)?

I really didn't see a druggie in his movie. I do not believe Klein's bill that he filed against the estate is in any way accurate. Geesh, if you look at each line item, Jackson would have to sit there for hours getting these shots. What doctor waits for months to even bill a patient? This bill even has dates when Murray was suppose to be in charge. IMO, the man needs more money and this is the only way he can get it.

I still think Murray should be charged with 2nd degree murder. For the life of me I don't understand why he hasn't. I have read that the LAPD has dirty hands in this and there is yet another corruption scandal brewing here. So.. it all remains to be seen, and I hope the public demands accountability for all those responsible.

Also.. I think it would be great to enact a new law in Michael's name which would allow criminal charges to be brought against anyone found to falsely accuse a person of child sexual abuse. It seems far too easy to destroy the life and livelihood of innocent victims with false accusations. Many innocent people have spent years in prison for abuse crimes that never happened. And that is just wrong.

imo...of course.

[ResJudicata]

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Bolding mine

OK give me the link to your first statement of fact. A link from the court, not spin.

Stop criticizing me and telling me what to do.

You would have to petition the court to unseal those documents.

I think its very wrong that the lies about Michael are thrown about so freely and without conscience.

I'm sorry if you feel I have criticized you of anything. I only encouraged you to read the truth.

imo...of course.

ps... the California law that was put in place can be found on the internet.

[ResJudicata]

Now how would that work since a not guilty verdict is not an innocent verdict? It doesn't prove false allegations at all.

You are suggesting our judicial system change, until of course you became the victim of some crime. You want victim's afraid to bring charges. Think about what you're saying. You actually want criminals not to be prosecuted.

JMO


For example, there have been many cases of one parent accusing the other parent of abuse on the child in order to gain the upper hand in child custody matters. I think that is wrong.

Another example is the McMartin Preschool witch hunt, and following that was the central California witch hunt, that resulted in many innocent people imprisoned for more than a decade, until the alleged victims became of age and spoke the truth.

I think that not only those who make false allegations should be criminally charged, but that there also has to be accountability from the prosectuors who proceed with false allegations in bad faith. The immunity shields allow for these wrongs to occur, and that is just wrong.

imo..of course.

[ResJudicata]

Awwwww, so those so called statements you made can not be proven.
Since the records are sealed, you are going by spin only.

I've been looking for the California Law and can't find it. Since you have read it, I presume, since you read everything, I am asking for the link. You brought it up so you should have the link.

JMO

I need to get ready for work. Maybe later if I have time I will look for you. I read last night that it is AB288(a), but that doesn't seem to be the correct code. AB stands for Assembly Bill. I will look more later.

[Jayne]

I still think Murray should be charged with 2nd degree murder. For the life of me I don't understand why he hasn't. I have read that the LAPD has dirty hands in this and there is yet another corruption scandal brewing here. So.. it all remains to be seen, and I hope the public demands accountability for all those responsible.

Also.. I think it would be great to enact a new law in Michael's name which would allow criminal charges to be brought against anyone found to falsely accuse a person of child sexual abuse. It seems far too easy to destroy the life and livelihood of innocent victims with false accusations. Many innocent people have spent years in prison for abuse crimes that never happened. And that is just wrong.

imo...of course.

Gonna back you on this. I've met the man - upfront, personal. Nice man..talented, yes..but what I was most interested in was his genuine innocence about him (in a sense). I have a High Hinky Meter for molesters...I never felt he was. weird..yes...but I don't think he ever molested a kid...hugged them...treated them like they were his own children, snuggling in bed. OK OK OK..lots of people call that pedophilia. yes..it's strange..with a non parent doing this..but I don't find it to be sexual abuse. STUPID and without aforethought of the consequences..yes.

I think this case back in the 90s was about getting money from Jackson. They Knew...or someone clued them in.. there was a guy..still living out a fantasy about being Peter Pan...so they cashed in on it. Granted..if the boy slept in the bed with MJ..that's a problem..in a sense..but if he wasn't sexually assault? That's another.

I don't know if the doctor is guilty of M2..but perhaps. You can't be a caretaker of a person and just do what they "want" or claim they "need" without putting your own medical knowledge into it. MJ was living on the edge all the time, IMO...media..his own body and esteem issues..but I do not think he was a pedofile. I think he was a child trapped into an aging body. But..But..one that could still put on a show, had an attachment to a childhood that he missed and wanted to re-live and give to others and loved his children very much.

Sure..with all his surgeries..which he denies..and I don't buy that at all..did not make him a pedofile. It made him a sad soul..wanting to look different than he was as a child..to rise above. And, he did. But, due to his attachment to being around children..building a playground for them..and yes..perhaps doing a lot beyond what many of us consider appropriate..I don't think he ever molested a child. He wouldn't do it...it was against all he was about. He was like a Mom...not understanding or caring that others didn't "get it". So..This is It.

I can be wrong.

[ResJudicata]

Link to my bolding.


The allegation was made by one of MJ's doctors. I forget his name right now.

[ResJudicata]

He could have loved young boys and had a separate room for them and a separate bed for them. That's why he made statements at first he slept on the floor. He knew what he was doing was wrong.

JMO

If he knew what he was doing was wrong, he was smart enough to not announce it on worldwide tv.

[ResJudicata]

Yeah, right. You make statements that are not true and fail to put it is your opinion. IMO

The name is Dr. Hoefflin. Now... I request that you refrain from insinuating that I am a liar any further.

Thank you.

[Cindylee]

I still think Murray should be charged with 2nd degree murder. For the life of me I don't understand why he hasn't. I have read that the LAPD has dirty hands in this and there is yet another corruption scandal brewing here. So.. it all remains to be seen, and I hope the public demands accountability for all those responsible.

Also.. I think it would be great to enact a new law in Michael's name which would allow criminal charges to be brought against anyone found to falsely accuse a person of child sexual abuse. It seems far too easy to destroy the life and livelihood of innocent victims with false accusations. Many innocent people have spent years in prison for abuse crimes that never happened. And that is just wrong.

imo...of course.

I would like to know what, and where you read that the LAPD has dirty hands in this?????

[ResJudicata]

Link to the article that the LAPD is dirty in this case. Is it only one doctor who is being investigated that you are going with?


I didn't say I necessarily believe it. I said I read it, which I did, and I think you owe me an apology.


In his lengthy statement Hoefflin claims people are colluding, with the police “to use false documents to threaten me, obstruct my independent investigation into Michael’s death and to stop me from providing evidence to the proper authorities.”


http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/09/exclusive-documents-michael-jackson%E2%80%99s-doctor-says-he-has-evidence-put-people

[Cindylee]

I didn't say I necessarily believe it. I said I read it, which I did, and I think you owe me an apology.


In his lengthy statement Hoefflin claims people are colluding, with the police “to use false documents to threaten me, obstruct my independent investigation into Michael’s death and to stop me from providing evidence to the proper authorities.”


http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/09/exclusive-documents-michael-jackson%E2%80%99s-doctor-says-he-has-evidence-put-people

Thank you.

ETA: I think the guy is a nut case. IMO

[Cindylee]

I think the LAPD which has investigated this case for over four months might be gotten for taking to long but Dirty Hands? No, I don't think so. What would be their investment in Michael Jackson?

I think, one of the problems may be that they didn't close up the house right away. Dirty Hands.....no, I don't think so either.

[MK~ULTRA]

Thank you.

ETA: I think the guy is a nut case. IMO

Here's a part of his letter that clearly shows this guy's craziness.

Colin Powell is a friend of mine. I have already called his house and left a message for him. I am asking him to engage a congressional investigation into all of the LAPD and Los Angeles Sherriff Department Law Enforcement Corruption in Los Angeles that is taking place in the Michael Jackson and other important investigations that is ruining our city. I want a Congressional Committee to subpoena these people, put them under oath, gather credible evidence for a good District Attorney, and bring them to proper justice.

Click here to read Hoefflin’s letter filled with outrageous charges (http://www.radaronline.com/sites/default/files/HoefflingLetter12.pdf)

I guess if Hoefflin says an investigation into "all of the LAPD and Los Angeles Sherriff Department Law Enforcement Corruption in Los Angeles" needs to be done... it sure does seem ResJudicata blindly believes the "investigation" will happen.

imo... of course. :)

[Firehead11]

Without an immunity shield we would have no prosecutors. What about that don't you understand? There would be no lawyers who would be willing to be prosecutors. That's why it exists.

jmo

Insurance comapnies cannot act in bad faith, why should any legal branch have the ability to do so? Do you think it was right of the DA to do what he did in the Duke case?

[ResJudicata]

YOUR POST

Originally Posted by ResJudicata View Post
I still think Murray should be charged with 2nd degree murder. For the life of me I don't understand why he hasn't. I have read that the LAPD has dirty hands in this and there is yet another corruption scandal brewing here. So.. it all remains to be seen, and I hope the public demands accountability for all those responsible.

Also.. I think it would be great to enact a new law in Michael's name which would allow criminal charges to be brought against anyone found to falsely accuse a person of child sexual abuse. It seems far too easy to destroy the life and livelihood of innocent victims with false accusations. Many innocent people have spent years in prison for abuse crimes that never happened. And that is just wrong.


And your link covers this statement I have bolded, how?

Merriam-Webster Dictionary Results: collusion1 results for: collusion
collusion | noun
Main Entry: collusion ku-!lU-zhun
Pronunciation: \ kə-ˈlü-zhən \

Date: 14th century
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14th century

secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose

= Dirty hands. imo...of course.

[ResJudicata]

Without an immunity shield we would have no prosecutors.

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jmo

Correction: Without the immunity shields we might have far less corrupt prosecutors.


imo...of course.

[who_is_it]

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Also.. I think it would be great to enact a new law in Michael's name which would allow criminal charges to be brought against anyone found to falsely accuse a person of child sexual abuse. It seems far too easy to destroy the life and livelihood of innocent victims with false accusations. Many innocent people have spent years in prison for abuse crimes that never happened. And that is just wrong.


And your link covers this statement I have bolded, how?

ITA. There are many people who were innocent but convicted and had to go through hell. Even if they aren't convicted the stress put on them by false allegations, their fear and the effects on their reputation are horrific enough.

[MK~ULTRA]

I still think Murray should be charged with 2nd degree murder. For the life of me I don't understand why he hasn't.

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imo...of course.

It is very simple.

Not enough evidence to bring charges.

imo... of course. :)

[ResJudicata]

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I guess if Hoefflin says an investigation into "all of the LAPD and Los Angeles Sherriff Department Law Enforcement Corruption in Los Angeles" needs to be done... it sure does seem ResJudicata blindly believes the "investigation" will happen.

imo... of course. :)


There is no question but that an investigation into the death of Michael Jackson is ongoing. None of us know the end result. Even if the investigation results with no charges brought against anyone, there is no indication of that yet.

I also think the Dr. sounds less than credible, but I never would have believed that the LAPD would collude to frame an innocent man for attempted murder on a cop, who they claimed had a gun pointed at an officer, which justified shooting and paralyzing him. Planting a gun on him after shooting him, and then tried and convicted him, when he was completely innocent, and unfortunately never able to walk again.

Yet... it happened that way. The possibilities are endless.

imo...of course.

[ResJudicata]

It is very simple.

Not enough evidence to bring charges.

imo... of course. :)


Murray admitted giving the drugs that resulted in Michael's death. If thats not enough evidence to bring charges, why hasn't the investigation been closed and Murray cleared?

[Firehead11]

ITA. There are many people who were innocent but convicted and had to go through hell. Even if they aren't convicted the stress put on them by false allegations, their fear and the effects on their reputation are horrific enough.


Iw was Res that suggested this not Spade. They are disagreeing with it.

[ResJudicata]

Try to keep up. My post which you responded to with your above post has nothing to do with the investigation into Michael Jackson's prescription drug death.

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imo... of course. :)

By the way ...was propofol prescribed to Michael Jackson for home use?

[MK~ULTRA]

By the way ...was propofol prescribed to Michael Jackson for home use?

One person who could answer that question is dead.

The other person who could answer that question has already answered the question.

imo... of course. :)

[ResJudicata]

One person who could answer that question is dead.

The other person who could answer that question has already answered the question.

imo... of course. :)


The answer is NO.. it was not prescribed to MJ for home use.

[MK~ULTRA]

Please with the "try to keep up" and "reading comprehension" stuff. This is a discussion board and not a street brawl. Surely we can debate without insults or at least most of us can do so. UGH!!! :thumbdown:

I suggest you utilize the "personal message" function when posting anything like the above. TIA.

On topic.... what is the latest on charges against Dr. Murray? Soon after Michael's prescription drug death we heard (from TMZ) that an arrest was coming "within days."

Now... nothing. I believe Firehead posted something about TMZ saying their "source" now says charges could be filed this week or next week.

It is now the "next week." TMZ is usually right on with their reporting.

What happened with TMZ's source?

[ResJudicata]

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What happened with TMZ's source?


Why are you asking here? Call Harvey Levin and ask him.

[Firehead11]

The answer is NO.. it was not prescribed to MJ for home use.


IIRC, a lot of the prescription bottles that were found had no name on it at all.

IMO

[ResJudicata]

IIRC, a lot of the prescription bottles that were found had no name on it at all.

IMO


Propofol is not available via a prescription. I imagine this is why Murray had it shipped to his girlfriends address.

imo...of course.

[Cindylee]

Jackson Musical Creditor's Claim

Posted Nov 2nd 2009 1:10PM by TMZ Staff

Old Man Creditor ... just keeps rollin' along. Yet another Michael Jackson creditor's claim ...

This time A4V Digital, Inc. wants $736,502.59 for rented sound recording and audio equipment "in connection with the making of a musical."

Here's what's interesting. One of the bills lists the start date at 6/9 and the finish date as 6/25 ... the day Jackson died.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0Vj9a9L2C

[Firehead11]

Jackson Musical Creditor's Claim

Posted Nov 2nd 2009 1:10PM by TMZ Staff

Old Man Creditor ... just keeps rollin' along. Yet another Michael Jackson creditor's claim ...

This time A4V Digital, Inc. wants $736,502.59 for rented sound recording and audio equipment "in connection with the making of a musical."

Here's what's interesting. One of the bills lists the start date at 6/9 and the finish date as 6/25 ... the day Jackson died.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0Vj9a9L2C

I guess it comes down to who signed the contract for the equipment. But at least this is more recent that claims from the Thriller days.

[Cindylee]

I guess it comes down to who signed the contract for the equipment. But at least this is more recent that claims from the Thriller days.

I wonder how much money is claimed to be owed. There seems to be a huge line, and are these all part of the $400 million that was said he was in debt????

[Firehead11]

I wonder how much money is claimed to be owed. There seems to be a huge line, and are these all part of the $400 million that was said he was in debt????

I think you will see a whole lot more coming out of the woodwork to make a claim against this estate. Hell it is estimated that his estate was worth anywhere from 500 million to over a billion. I pity the poor executors that have to sift through this all.

[ResJudicata]

THE CORRUPT HISTORY of District Attorney TOM SNEDDON



While it is obvious that District Attorney Tom Sneddon has a vendetta against Michael Jackson, there are other allegations of abuse on Sneddon's part that have been ignored by the mainstream media. The following people have accused Sneddon and his employees of malicious prosecution, conspiracy, abuse of power and civil rights violations.


Read more: http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?noframes;read=64536

[Nic99]

THE CORRUPT HISTORY of District Attorney TOM SNEDDON



While it is obvious that District Attorney Tom Sneddon has a vendetta against Michael Jackson, there are other allegations of abuse on Sneddon's part that have been ignored by the mainstream media. The following people have accused Sneddon and his employees of malicious prosecution, conspiracy, abuse of power and civil rights violations.


Read more: http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?noframes;read=64536

Thanks Res, for the great information as usual. Michael, RIP, you were a true legend.

[daniel green]

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Also.. I think it would be great to enact a new law in Michael's name which would allow criminal charges to be brought against anyone found to falsely accuse a person of child sexual abuse. .

Good luck with that.

[daniel green]

Jackson Musical Creditor's Claim

Posted Nov 2nd 2009 1:10PM by TMZ Staff

Old Man Creditor ... just keeps rollin' along. Yet another Michael Jackson creditor's claim ...

This time A4V Digital, Inc. wants $736,502.59 for rented sound recording and audio equipment "in connection with the making of a musical."

Here's what's interesting. One of the bills lists the start date at 6/9 and the finish date as 6/25 ... the day Jackson died.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0Vj9a9L2C

WOW.

That's a blow.

[daniel green]

We've now learned the basis for the latest creditor's claim against Michael Jackson's estate -- and it could be a goldmine.

As we first reported, Audio 4 Video Digital (A4V Digital, Inc.), filed a creditor's claim for $736,502.59. Sources connected with A4V tell TMZ that Jackson had been recording songs shortly before he died and A4V was working on the music at the time of his death.

An A4V source says the company is a co-owner -- along with the estate -- of the copyright for the sound recordings. This could represent the last work of Michael Jackson -- so good, bad or ugly, it could be the royal jackpot. We're also told A4V was working with Jackson for years before his death and has a stockpile of recordings that have never been released.


Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/02/michael-jackson-last-recording-creditors-claim/#ixzz0VkJswZO5

[Cindylee]

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/02/michael-jackson-last-recording-creditors-claim/#ixzz0VkJswZO5

Wouldn't this all have been known to the estate? I mean there have to be records of who he was working with, right?

[daniel green]

Wouldn't this all have been known to the estate? I mean there have to be records of who he was working with, right?

One would think so. :huh:

[sallemae]

WOW.

That's a blow.

What is so unusual about this claim. Michael died 6/09, where are the creditors suppose to send the invoices, but to the estate! :rolleyes:

[ResJudicata]

What is so unusual about this claim. Michael died 6/09, where are the creditors suppose to send the invoices, but to the estate! :rolleyes:

I agree. I don't think its a big deal, or even the slightest unusual.
:rolleyes:

[Cindylee]

I agree. I don't think its a big deal, or even the slightest unusual.
:rolleyes:

Nor is it unusual for other older creditors to try to collect their money, no matter how long it has been. Who knows how long they have been trying to get MJ to pay them.

[ResJudicata]

Nor is it unusual for other older creditors to try to collect their money, no matter how long it has been. Who knows how long they have been trying to get MJ to pay them.

Well.. after thinking about it, it is kinda unusal why MJ is billed for the
recording costs during the month of June. Seems like that should be an AEG liability. Who knows.

About the other claims.. the goldmine one. Maybe the costs of recording the unreleased songs are a goldmine, but I think the value of those songs is a bigger goldmine.

imo...of course.

[Firehead11]

Nor is it unusual for other older creditors to try to collect their money, no matter how long it has been. Who knows how long they have been trying to get MJ to pay them.

I disagree with this statement, unless it can be proved that an attempt/attemps has been made prior to his death. Are you trying to say that these people that are now making a claim against the estate from "The Thriller" era? Like 1983? You would wait over 26 years for payment without filing for anything? I doubt that.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thriller_(music_video)

Directed by: John Landis - Produced by: George Folsey, Jr., Michael Jackson & John Landis - Written by: John Landis & Michael Jackson - Director of Photography: Robert Paynter, B.S.C. - Special Make-up Effects Designed & Created by: Rick Baker & EFX, Inc. - Choreography: Michael Peters & Michael Jackson - Edited by: Malcolm Campbell & George Folsey, Jr. - Starring: Michael Jackson - Co-Starring: Ola Ray - Art Director: Charles Hughes - Costume Designed by: Kelly Kimball & Deborah Naldoolman - Production Manager: Dan Allingham - First Assistant Director: David Sosna - Scary Music by: Elmer Bernstein

Thriller

Performed by: Michael Jackson - Featuring 'Rap' by: Vincent Price - Produced by: Quincy Jones & Michael Jackson - Written by: Rod Temperton - Recorded & Mixed by: Bruce Sweden - Available on Epic Records & Cassetes


And why haven't these people also filed against Quincy Jones?

[ResJudicata]

I disagree with this statement, unless it can be proved that an attempt/attemps has been made prior to his death. Are you trying to say that these people that are now making a claim against the estate from "The Thriller" era? Like 1983? You would wait over 26 years for payment without filing for anything? I doubt that.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thriller_(music_video)

Directed by: John Landis - Produced by: George Folsey, Jr., Michael Jackson & John Landis - Written by: John Landis & Michael Jackson - Director of Photography: Robert Paynter, B.S.C. - Special Make-up Effects Designed & Created by: Rick Baker & EFX, Inc. - Choreography: Michael Peters & Michael Jackson - Edited by: Malcolm Campbell & George Folsey, Jr. - Starring: Michael Jackson - Co-Starring: Ola Ray - Art Director: Charles Hughes - Costume Designed by: Kelly Kimball & Deborah Naldoolman - Production Manager: Dan Allingham - First Assistant Director: David Sosna - Scary Music by: Elmer Bernstein

Thriller

Performed by: Michael Jackson - Featuring 'Rap' by: Vincent Price - Produced by: Quincy Jones & Michael Jackson - Written by: Rod Temperton - Recorded & Mixed by: Bruce Sweden - Available on Epic Records & Cassetes


And why haven't these people also filed against Quincy Jones?

The statute of limitations in California is 4 years for a written contract and 2 years for an oral contract. I think many if not all of these older claims will be dismissed based on the statute.

[Cindylee]

I disagree with this statement, unless it can be proved that an attempt/attemps has been made prior to his death. Are you trying to say that these people that are now making a claim against the estate from "The Thriller" era? Like 1983? You would wait over 26 years for payment without filing for anything? I doubt that.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thriller_(music_video)

Directed by: John Landis - Produced by: George Folsey, Jr., Michael Jackson & John Landis - Written by: John Landis & Michael Jackson - Director of Photography: Robert Paynter, B.S.C. - Special Make-up Effects Designed & Created by: Rick Baker & EFX, Inc. - Choreography: Michael Peters & Michael Jackson - Edited by: Malcolm Campbell & George Folsey, Jr. - Starring: Michael Jackson - Co-Starring: Ola Ray - Art Director: Charles Hughes - Costume Designed by: Kelly Kimball & Deborah Naldoolman - Production Manager: Dan Allingham - First Assistant Director: David Sosna - Scary Music by: Elmer Bernstein

Thriller

Performed by: Michael Jackson - Featuring 'Rap' by: Vincent Price - Produced by: Quincy Jones & Michael Jackson - Written by: Rod Temperton - Recorded & Mixed by: Bruce Sweden - Available on Epic Records & Cassetes


And why haven't these people also filed against Quincy Jones?

I don't know that they haven't been trying to collect for all of these years. Do you know?

[Firehead11]

I don't know that they haven't been trying to collect for all of these years. Do you know?

Nope, haven't a clue. I just find it fishy that of all we know about Jackson and his money issues. These claims have not been mentioned prior to his death with the exception of the girl in Thriller but even that was recently filed right before his death, IIRC.

[Cindylee]

Nope, haven't a clue. I just find it fishy that of all we know about Jackson and his money issues. These claims have not been mentioned prior to his death with the exception of the girl in Thriller but even that was recently filed right before his death, IIRC.

But look at all of the lawsuits that have been filed over the years. I am sure we haven't heard about all of them.:shrug:

[ResJudicata]

Thanks Res, for the great information as usual. Michael, RIP, you were a true legend.

Thank you Nic. Its so nice to see you again. I have thought of you, and hope you are hanging in there okay.

[Firehead11]

But look at all of the lawsuits that have been filed over the years. I am sure we haven't heard about all of them.:shrug:



You know Cindy, if I post what I think may have happened during all of this time, I will be accused of making excuses for Jackson's behavior or lack of but I will try it again.

I believe that Jackson did not handle his own money and bills. I believe he hired someone he thought he could trust to handle such things and at the beginning it seemed like all was ok. Who was watching the money when all of these bills were not paid? LET ME STATE RIGHT HERE... IT WAS JACKSON'S RESPONSIBILITY TO WATCH OVER HIS FINANCES. But I sincerely doubt that he knew about things not getting paid until a lawsuit was filed. Was this his call to put off things? I don't know and I refuse to say it was him making all of those decisions. It seems to me that once any filings were made public, an agreement was made for that item to be paid.

We all were shocked over the amount of a pharmacy bill that Jackson was sued for. Most posters blaming it all on Jackson's drug habit. We now know that Michael supported a lot of people and I would venture to guess that almost everyone that lived at the Encino home went to that same pharmacy and charged things against his account over the period of years. I know what our pharmacy has charged us in regards to our daily medicines and what our insurance portion paid. For the both of us for 1 year, combined totals were over 5 grand. Of course our out of pocket expense was 1000. This was just for the prescription drugs. Now add all of the things that can be purchased at any given drug store......that 100,000 can add up fast IF everyone went to that drug store and charged it to The Jackson account. What a damn tax write off this was.

I am sure we haven't heard the last of them either but I am also just as sure that some are so off the wall and or not valid at all. I guess we will see at the end of things.

[sallemae]

You know Cindy, if I post what I think may have happened during all of this time, I will be accused of making excuses for Jackson's behavior or lack of but I will try it again.

I believe that Jackson did not handle his own money and bills. I believe he hired someone he thought he could trust to handle such things and at the beginning it seemed like all was ok. Who was watching the money when all of these bills were not paid? LET ME STATE RIGHT HERE... IT WAS JACKSON'S RESPONSIBILITY TO WATCH OVER HIS FINANCES. But I sincerely doubt that he knew about things not getting paid until a lawsuit was filed. Was this his call to put off things? I don't know and I refuse to say it was him making all of those decisions. It seems to me that once any filings were made public, an agreement was made for that item to be paid.

We all were shocked over the amount of a pharmacy bill that Jackson was sued for. Most posters blaming it all on Jackson's drug habit. We now know that Michael supported a lot of people and I would venture to guess that almost everyone that lived at the Encino home went to that same pharmacy and charged things against his account over the period of years. I know what our pharmacy has charged us in regards to our daily medicines and what our insurance portion paid. For the both of us for 1 year, combined totals were over 5 grand. Of course our out of pocket expense was 1000. This was just for the prescription drugs. Now add all of the things that can be purchased at any given drug store......that 100,000 can add up fast IF everyone went to that drug store and charged it to The Jackson account. What a damn tax write off this was.

I am sure we haven't heard the last of them either but I am also just as sure that some are so off the wall and or not valid at all. I guess we will see at the end of things.


This makes a lot of sense, that it was a Jackson Family account, what pharmacy, local drug store would let bill get that high. Maybe Michael thought his family was abusing the right to make purchases, or just questioned the dollar amount? imo

[ResJudicata]

A Fan Calling The LAPD To Find Out Why Dr. Conrad Murray Hasn't Been Arrested


And they returned her call, advised her there maybe an arrest by the New Year.

http://www.lipstickalley.com/f230/fan-calling-lapd-find-out-why-dr-conrad-murray-hasnt-been-arrested-208995/

[MK~ULTRA]

A Fan Calling The LAPD To Find Out Why Dr. Conrad Murray Hasn't Been Arrested


And they returned her call, advised her there maybe an arrest by the New Year.

http://www.lipstickalley.com/f230/fan-calling-lapd-find-out-why-dr-conrad-murray-hasnt-been-arrested-208995/

More like a delusional fan calling LAPD.

Transcribed from the very beginning of the video:

... I really need to let this whole thing go, whether or not Michael Jackson is still alive or not, and the one deciding factor for me would be if they arrest Dr. Conrad Murray.

Yeah. If Dr. Conrad Murray is arrested, this delusional fan will believe Michael Jackson is really dead. But wait... she said "probably dead."

I understand she dialed up the North Pole. They told her Santa should be coming on or about December 24th. Not really. But its possible.

[LadyFuzz]

Sounds like the police department blowing her off. One thing we learned is nothing being put out there by anonymous sources comes from them.

jmo

[Firehead11]

Sounds like the police department doesn't have to give a private citizen any information if they don't want to.

[LadyFuzz]

Sounds like the police department doesn't have to give a private citizen any information if they don't want to.

They won't even if they want to.

[ResJudicata]

Sounds like the police department blowing her off. One thing we learned is nothing being put out there by anonymous sources comes from them.

jmo

I think "blowing her off" would be more like not calling her back. Most of the info we have to date has come from un-named sources.

[MK~ULTRA]

Sounds like a sad state of affairs for Michael Jackson fans if this particular fan is any indication of the majority of his fans.

[Firehead11]

Sounds like a sad state of affairs for Michael Jackson fans if this particular fan is any indication of the majority of his fans.

Not a good idea to insult anyone.

[LadyFuzz]

I think "blowing her off" would be more like not calling her back. Most of the info we have to date has come from un-named sources.

Police always return calls. They get in trouble if they don't and the caller makes a stink. They are public servants after all. imo

[ResJudicata]

Sounds like a sad state of affairs for Michael Jackson fans if this particular fan is any indication of the majority of his fans.


Some of his fans have been or are world leaders, and members of all walks of life.

[MK~ULTRA]

Not a good idea to insult anyone.

Thankfully, I've insulted no one. :)

[ResJudicata]

Not a good idea to insult anyone.

Thats his M.O.

imo...of course.

[ResJudicata]

Police always return calls. They get in trouble if they don't and the caller makes a stink. They are public servants after all. imo


If they make a stink about a returned call, I can imagine what kind of stink they might make if Murray isn't arrested.

[MK~ULTRA]

Some of his fans have been or are world leaders, and members of all walks of life.

I wonder if they all believe Michael Jackson could still be alive. Or if they believe he's a "C.G.I. 'sim type' person" still walking around.

Thank you for posting the link exposing at least one Michael Jackson fan as being highly delusional.

imo... of course. :)

[ResJudicata]

I wonder if they all believe Michael Jackson could still be alive. Or if they believe he's a "C.G.I. 'sim type' person" still walking around.

Thank you for posting the link exposing at least one Michael Jackson fan as being highly delusional.

imo... of course. :)

You're quite welcome. MJ has millions and millions of fans worldwide. There are bound to be a few who you are going to find fault with.

imo...of course.

[MK~ULTRA]

You're quite welcome. MJ has millions and millions of fans worldwide. There are bound to be a few who you are going to find fault with.

imo...of course.

I believe a qualified doctor would find fault with the fan in the video you posted. Let alone a random poster on a message board.

imo... of course. :)

[LadyFuzz]

If they make a stink about a returned call, I can imagine what kind of stink they might make if Murray isn't arrested.

Two different things. It won't matter if they make a stink about Murray not being arrested. The department and the DA will stand behind that. jmo

[ResJudicata]

I believe a qualified doctor would find fault with the fan in the video you posted. Let alone a random poster on a message board.

imo... of course. :)

Speaking of fault. I wonder if Murray has made good on his child support obligations yet.

[LadyFuzz]

Speaking of fault. I wonder if Murray has made good on his child support obligations yet.

It's nice you are still showing concern about his children. Kudos to you.

[ResJudicata]

Two different things. It won't matter if they make a stink about Murray not being arrested. The department and the DA will stand behind that. jmo


I feel the only possibility of Murray not being arrested is if he is given some sort of immunity for providing info to something even more sinister. I mean if HKS is a candidate for criminal charges, Murray should be too.

[MK~ULTRA]

Speaking of fault. I wonder if Murray has made good on his child support obligations yet.

I wonder if Michael's children have come to terms with their father being a deceased prescription drug addict.

I wonder if Katherine will tell the children the truth about Michael's death.

Or is Katherine allowing the children to celebrate Michael's life with no mention of how and why Michael died?

[ResJudicata]

It's nice you are still showing concern about his children. Kudos to you.

Even a minimum show of concern is more than Murray has shown for them. And thank you for your kind words on this beautiful fall day.

[LadyFuzz]

I feel the only possibility of Murray not being arrested is if he is given some sort of immunity for providing info to something even more sinister. I mean if HKS is a candidate for criminal charges, Murray should be too.

This is the Jackson board and not the HKS board. imo

[Firehead11]

Two different things. It won't matter if they make a stink about Murray not being arrested. The department and the DA will stand behind that. jmo

I don't know about that. Seems that the power of the people makes things happen even when it has been ruled differently.

[MK~ULTRA]

It's nice you are still showing concern about his children. Kudos to you.

It is nice, isn't it? To think... she only started "idolizing" Michael a few weeks before August 26th of this year. And now she worries about Dr. Murray's children's welfare.

Kudos to Res for her continuing compassion for all involved. :beer:

[LadyFuzz]

I don't know about that. Seems that the power of the people makes things happen even when it has been ruled differently.

The power of the people can not change a decision based on law. jmo

[LadyFuzz]

It is nice, isn't it? To think... she only started "idolizing" Michael a few weeks before August 26th of this year. And now she worries about Dr. Murray's children's welfare.

Kudos to Res for her continuing compassion for all involved. :beer:

Agreed.:beer::beer:

[ResJudicata]

I wonder if Michael's children have come to terms with their father being a deceased prescription drug addict.

I wonder if Katherine will tell the children the truth about Michael's death.

Or is Katherine allowing the children to celebrate Michael's life with no mention of how and why Michael died?


No doubt that Prince has a clear idea of what happened since he is the one who Murray summoned for unknown reasons. Its possible the kids will understand what the role of a doctor is, and realize this doctor failed miserably. I also think they understand the idea behind the 911 system, and probably wonder why it wasn't utilized in a timely manner.

Also.. I don't think its a matter of allowing the kids to celebrate, as they each will grieve in their own way, and in their own time.

[MK~ULTRA]

No doubt that Prince has a clear idea of what happened since he is the one who Murray summoned for unknown reasons. Its possible the kids will understand what the role of a doctor is, and realize this doctor failed miserably. I also think they understand the idea behind the 911 system, and probably wonder why it wasn't utilized in a timely manner.

Also.. I don't think its a matter of allowing the kids to celebrate, as they each will grieve in their own way, and in their own time.

Not one mention of the children understanding prescription drug addiction.

I believe the children will need counseling on the dangers of becoming addicted to prescription drugs. In light of their father's death.

imo... of course.

[ResJudicata]

It is nice, isn't it? To think... she only started "idolizing" Michael a few weeks before August 26th of this year. And now she worries about Dr. Murray's children's welfare.

Kudos to Res for her continuing compassion for all involved. :beer:

Having taken the opportunity to learn about Michael Jackson, I think that it isn't idolization, but rather a deep appreciation for everything the man stood for, and recognition of his lifetime acheivments, and humanitarian efforts, that have so often been overlooked. I believe he was a man of great gift and character and that he did indeed strive for and succeeded in making the world a little better.

[Firehead11]

Not one mention of the children understanding prescription drug addiction.

I believe the children will need counseling on the dangers of becoming addicted to prescription drugs. In light of their father's death.

imo... of course.

Well from what has been released so far, it doesn't seem like that was a recent problem.

And if you have been keeping up with everything since Jackson died, you already know about the children getting counsling.

I am sure that Katherine will be explaining exactley how their father died and who was responsible. Just as she will explain about how people can be nasty and mean and tell lies about their father.

[ResJudicata]

Not one mention of the children understanding prescription drug addiction.

I believe the children will need counseling on the dangers of becoming addicted to prescription drugs. In light of their father's death.

imo... of course.

Every child, and a large portion of adults worldwide can benefit from learning the dangers of prescription drugs, especially when there are doctors and pharmeceutical companies out there, who are more interested in money rather than the interests of patients.

[LadyFuzz]

Those kids, over time, will come to realize how their father contributed to his own death. They will also come to realize how their father cared more about drugs then living to be their father.

I think they were well aware of their father's addictions from living with him. His death might not have been that much of a surprise to them.:sad:

jmo of course

[MK~ULTRA]

Having taken the opportunity to learn about Michael Jackson, I think that it isn't idolization, but rather a deep appreciation for everything the man stood for, and recognition of his lifetime acheivments, and humanitarian efforts, that have so often been overlooked. I believe he was a man of great gift and character and that he did indeed strive for and succeeded in making the world a little better.

Yet it was "idolization" when you posted as much on August 26th of this year.

Kudos to you for realizing the difference between idolization and deep appreciation.

The idolization of any human being is sacrilegious.

imo... of course. :)

[ResJudicata]

Yet it was "idolization" when you posted as much on August 26th of this year.

Kudos to you for realizing the difference between idolization and deep appreciation.

The idolization of any human being is sacrilegious.

imo... of course. :)


I don't really remember ever saying idolization, but I haven't cataloged every one of my posts as you have. In any case, yes.. it is a deep and profound appreciation for another human being.

[LadyFuzz]

Let's compare fathers.

Dr Murray fell behind on child support payments and made the mistake of taking a job with Jackson to try to meet his debts.

Jackson died because of his addictions and left his children without a father, but kept them supported.

jmo

[ResJudicata]

Those kids, over time, will come to realize how their father contributed to his own death. They will also come to realize how their father cared more about drugs then living to be their father.

I think they were well aware of their father's addictions from living with him. His death might not have been that much of a surprise to them.:sad:

jmo of course


They know more about their father than you will ever know. Paris made it very clear her feelings about her Father, and all the cruel and insensitive remarks won't change her feelings. By ALL accounts Michael Jackson was a wonderful father, who was healthy and alive prior to being killed.

And personally... I find your comments offensive.

[LadyFuzz]

Thats his M.O.

imo...of course.

Please take this to PMs.

[Firehead11]

Let's compare fathers.

Dr Murray fell behind on child support payments and made the mistake of taking a job with Jackson to try to meet his debts.

Jackson died because of his addictions and left his children without a father, but kept them supported.

jmo

You know full well that Jackson's death was ruled a homicide and ruled by the hands of another. You also know that it has been reported that Murray admitted giving Jackson the drugs that were found in his system at the time of his death.

We keep going over the same thing time after time after time.

[ResJudicata]

Let's compare fathers.

Dr Murray fell behind on child support payments and made the mistake of taking a job with Jackson to try to meet his debts.

Jackson died because of his addictions and left his children without a father, but kept them supported.

jmo


Yeah..lets look.

Michael Jackson - victim of homicide

Conrad Murray - the focus of the homicide investigation, and deadbeat.

[LadyFuzz]

They know more about their father than you will ever know. Paris made it very clear her feelings about her Father, and all the cruel and insensitive remarks won't change her feelings. By ALL accounts Michael Jackson was a wonderful father, who was healthy and alive prior to being killed.

And personally... I find your comments offensive.

Please take your personal comments about me to PMs.

[ResJudicata]

Please take your personal comments about me to PMs.


No need to.

[MK~ULTRA]

I don't really remember ever saying idolization, but I haven't cataloged every one of my posts as you have. In any case, yes.. it is a deep and profound appreciation for another human being.

After perusing some of your previous posts, I have no doubt you don't remember.

I didn't have to catalog anything. Thankfully, this message board cataloged most, if not all, of your posts posted with your previously banned nics. All one needs to do is search.

A great referencing tool available to all on this message board. :)

I wonder if TMZ will scoop the video you linked earlier and post that Dr. Murray will be arrested after the New Year.

[ResJudicata]

After perusing some of your previous posts, I have no doubt you don't remember.

I didn't have to catalog anything. Thankfully, this message board cataloged most, if not all, of your posts posted with your previously banned nics. All one needs to do is search.

A great referencing tool available to all on this message board. :)

I wonder if TMZ will scoop the video you linked earlier and post that Dr. Murray will be arrested after the New Year.


I've never really found a need to stalk the postings of anyone. Not sure how it could be helpful to any mature discussion.

[MK~ULTRA]

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Not sure how it could be helpful to any mature discussion.

I'd explain how it could be helpful but I'm not too sure you'd understand or even want to understand.

Regardless of whether or not you would understand, the search function here is a great referencing tool.

imo... of course. :)

[Cindylee]

Having taken the opportunity to learn about Michael Jackson, I think that it isn't idolization, but rather a deep appreciation for everything the man stood for, and recognition of his lifetime acheivments, and humanitarian efforts, that have so often been overlooked. I believe he was a man of great gift and character and that he did indeed strive for and succeeded in making the world a little better.

He should have concentrated more on his own children. He turned their world upside down with his choices. IMO

[Firehead11]

He should have concentrated more on his own children. He turned their world upside down with his choices. IMO

What he should have done and what is happening now are two different issues. We ALL have "should have done" issues about one thing or another. Every parent that gets a divorce turns their child's world upside down. Everytime a child is ridiculed turns their world upside down.

We do not know all that he has shown his children. But we all saw (well whomever watched the service) what his daughter thought of her Daddy.

[Cindylee]

What he should have done and what is happening now are two different issues. We ALL have "should have done" issues about one thing or another. Every parent that gets a divorce turns their child's world upside down. Everytime a child is ridiculed turns their world upside down.

We do not know all that he has shown his children. But we all saw (well whomever watched the service) what his daughter thought of her Daddy.

Of course they loved their father.

[Firehead11]

Of course they loved their father.

People are so sure what the children witnessed. I am not saying you are saying anything like that. The children are (hopefully) adjusting with the help of a qualified therapist.

[daniel green]

No arrest yet?

[ResJudicata]

I'd explain how it could be helpful but I'm not too sure you'd understand or even want to understand.

Regardless of whether or not you would understand, the search function here is a great referencing tool.

imo... of course. :)


Lets give it a try. Please explain how a search of a posters posts can be helpful to the topic at hand, that is, of course, providing that the poster is not the topic at hand.

[LadyFuzz]

No arrest yet?

No not yet:shrug:

[LadyFuzz]

Lets give it a try. Please explain how a search of a posters posts can be helpful to the topic at hand, that is, of course, providing that the poster is not the topic at hand.

You're O/T:rolleyes:

[ResJudicata]

You're O/T:rolleyes:

No. I was responding to a post. If you have a complaint, perhaps you should direct it to the op.

[Firehead11]

You're O/T:rolleyes:

Just for the record, she is answering what was posted to HER.

And WE are now both off topic.

Why is so much baiting going on here today?