11/2 thru 12/07

[aproudmom]

A new day and week, hopefully there will be an arrest soon

[Not Telling]

I'm starting to really believe that rather than dividing all this information up state by state that law enforcement needs to just have ONE singular NATIONAL data base and website.

Seems to me like these folks fall through the cracks, case in point is that sex offender they just caught in Georgia? His employer ran a background check on him and said it came back clean because his offenses were in Florida. Don't know how true that is.

A national website would be much better. Each state could enter their information just as they are doing now but it would be far more uniform across the board.

Read up on HR4472 - Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act of 2006
Almost everything you want is in this law and so much more...
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=109_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ248.109.pdf


Here is an easier to understand explanation of some of the laws from the practitioner guide to the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act from the National Center for Prosecution of Child Abuse..
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/smart/pdfs/practitioner_guide_awa.pdf


The problem isn't that we don't have the laws in place, the problem is a lack of funding and resources....



No State in Compliance with Adam Walsh Act as July, 2009, Deadline Approaches
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1831723/no_state_in_compliance_with_adam_walsh.html



Office of Sex Offender Sentencing, Monitoring, Apprehending, Registering, and Tracking...

The final guidelines for Title I of the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act of 2006, the Sex Offender Registration and Notification Act (SORNA) were published in the Federal Register on July 2, 2008. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/smart/pdfs/fr_2008_07_02.pdf

* The National Guidelines for Sex Offender Registration and Notification - Final Guidelines, July 2008
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/smart/guidelines_final.htm

o PDF Version of Final Guidelines
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/smart/pdfs/final_sornaguidelines.pdf

* Proposed Guidelines and Information
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/smart/proposed_guidelines/proposed_guidelines.htm

* Federal Regulation Regarding the Retroactive Applicability of SORNA (Feb. 28, 2007)
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/smart/pdfs/28CFR_70_3.pdf

Other SORNA Information

* Significant Changes to the SORNA Guidelines
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/smart/pdfs/sorna_significant_changes.pdf

* Juvenile Offenders Required to Register Under SORNA: A Fact Sheet
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/smart/pdfs/factsheet_sorna_juvenile.pdf

* Frequently Asked Questions: SORNA Final Guidelines
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/smart/pdfs/faq_sorna_guidelines.pdf

* SORNA Substantial Implementation Checklist
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/smart/pdfs/sorna_checklist.pdf





Dru Sjodin National Sex Offender Public Website....
http://www.nsopw.gov/Core/Conditions.aspx

[Chica]

A new day and week, hopefully there will be an arrest soon

Welcome back !!

[Chica]

Read up on HR4472 - Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act of 2006
Almost everything you want is in this law and so much more...
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=109_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ248.109.pdf


Here is an easier to understand explanation of some of the laws from the practitioner guide to the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act from the National Center for Prosecution of Child Abuse..
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/smart/pdfs/practitioner_guide_awa.pdf


The problem isn't that we don't have the laws in place, the problem is a lack of funding and resources....



No State in Compliance with Adam Walsh Act as July, 2009, Deadline Approaches
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1831723/no_state_in_compliance_with_adam_walsh.html



Office of Sex Offender Sentencing, Monitoring, Apprehending, Registering, and Tracking...

The final guidelines for Title I of the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act of 2006, the Sex Offender Registration and Notification Act (SORNA) were published in the Federal Register on July 2, 2008. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/smart/pdfs/fr_2008_07_02.pdf

* The National Guidelines for Sex Offender Registration and Notification - Final Guidelines, July 2008
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/smart/guidelines_final.htm

o PDF Version of Final Guidelines
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/smart/pdfs/final_sornaguidelines.pdf

* Proposed Guidelines and Information
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/smart/proposed_guidelines/proposed_guidelines.htm

* Federal Regulation Regarding the Retroactive Applicability of SORNA (Feb. 28, 2007)
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/smart/pdfs/28CFR_70_3.pdf

Other SORNA Information

* Significant Changes to the SORNA Guidelines
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/smart/pdfs/sorna_significant_changes.pdf

* Juvenile Offenders Required to Register Under SORNA: A Fact Sheet
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/smart/pdfs/factsheet_sorna_juvenile.pdf

* Frequently Asked Questions: SORNA Final Guidelines
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/smart/pdfs/faq_sorna_guidelines.pdf

* SORNA Substantial Implementation Checklist
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/smart/pdfs/sorna_checklist.pdf





Dru Sjodin National Sex Offender Public Website....
http://www.nsopw.gov/Core/Conditions.aspx

Lots of great info....Clayton Graham looks to me to be MISSING still...
Maybe we should all buy new golf carts and donate the money to fund something important like this..since there is no funding..http://dailycapitalist.com/2009/10/31/golf-carts-obama-taketh-with-the-right-hand-and-giveth-with-the-left/

[TXGirl]

http://p2c.claysheriff.com/InmateDetail.aspx?navid=633927557655567500

11/1

FAILURE OF SEXUAL PREDATOR TO REPORT TEMP ADDRESS
FAIL TO REPORT NAME OR RESIDENCE CHANGE ON DL

Hmmmm...any connection??

[lune3]

http://p2c.claysheriff.com/InmateDetail.aspx?navid=633927557655567500

11/1

FAILURE OF SEXUAL PREDATOR TO REPORT TEMP ADDRESS
FAIL TO REPORT NAME OR RESIDENCE CHANGE ON DL

Hmmmm...any connection??

This is the guy who lives or lived on Gano street and whose girlfriend passed away on Oct 12. I have really wondered about him particularly in view of a possible stressor trigger due to his girlfriend's death only a couple of weeks before Somer's disappearance.
There is a link somewhere on previous pages but I'd never find it again. Also SM was discussing this guy at length.

[koawally]

This is the guy who lives or lived on Gano street and whose girlfriend passed away on Oct 12. I have really wondered about him particularly in view of a possible stressor trigger due to his girlfriend's death only a couple of weeks before Somer's disappearance.
There is a link somewhere on previous pages but I'd never find it again. Also SM was discussing this guy at length.

Kuhn was living with Debbie Ann Riley on Gano Ave when she passed away (Monday) October 12, 2009. Kuhn was referred to as: "her beloved, William" in the obituary. http://www.claytodayonline.com/content/1587_1.php


October 15th (Thurs)- Debbie's funeral 6-8p

October 19th(Mon) ---> lil Somer went missing
October 22nd(Thursday)---> childs Body found
October 23rd((Frieday) ---> lil Somer identified

Kuhn: Arrested 11/1, Failure Of Sexual Preda...Kuhn, William Leon (W M, 47) Arrest on chrg of Failure Of Sexual Predator To Report Temp Address (F), at xxxx Harbor Rd, Green Cove Springs, FL, on 11/1/2009.Maertz, M J Booking Photo: http://i37.tinypic.com/4j9ljr.jpg

[Riverwalk!]

I totally understand the stressors issue prompting this man to re-offend. It would be interesting to see a photo of his deceased girlfriend.


That said, this guy has a whole history of repeat offenses and they are ALWAYS against boys and usually against boys that are in pairs. these types have broken recording in their head that they play again and again it's the fuel that makes their motor run. For that reason alone I hold out on waving the checkered flag for his race.

I do admit though he's certainly right up there.

http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/072405/bus_19319278.shtml

"If that's part of the law that I have to do it, then so be it. I did something wrong and I'm sorry for it." said William Kuhn, 43, of Orange Park. He was sentenced in December 2002 for the January 1997 sexual battery on a girlfriend's daughter and served 18 months in prison and five years' probation.

"I screwed up and I've been given a chance," he said. "The people living around you have a right to know I invaded somebody else's privacy. I know there are some people out there that don't have the same remorse and regret that I have."

New pic http://i37.tinypic.com/4j9ljr.jpg (thanks Koawally)
Old pic http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=36025

[lune3]

I totally understand the stressors issue prompting this man to re-offend. It would be interesting to see a photo of his deceased girlfriend.


That said, this guy has a whole history of repeat offenses and they are ALWAYS against boys and usually against boys that are in pairs. these types have broken recording in their head that they play again and again it's the fuel that makes their motor run. For that reason alone I hold out on waving the checkered flag for his race.

I do admit though he's certainly right up there.

I think it was the other guy who was just arrested who is attracted to boys, not Kuhn. The guy who approached the two boys in the white van.

[Riverwalk!]

RW, howdy from SA!

Do you know if it was ever confirmed that he was the person pictured in the video of one of the press conferences? If so.......... this makes me really suspicious.

Also, wasn't Somers mother friends with the daughter? (dead ex gf's) I thought I saw them linked on ms? I could be confused.


TIA

:seeya: Howdy. This video:
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?playerId=newsmaker&maven_playlistId=6d956fb18503371af2eeca8d1349a6209 a152994&maven_referrer=mrss&maven_referralPlaylistId=6d956fb18503371af2eeca8d1 349a6209a152994&maven_referralObject=1303270323

He does look like Kuhn, but the reporter says his name is Robert O'Cain ... neighbor. Going by White Pages, a Robert O'Cain does live a few doors down on Horton street.

Don't know about Debbie's daughter. Will try to check on that.

o/t did you see Ginobili swat down the bat during the game? lmao

[Chica]

I totally understand the stressors issue prompting this man to re-offend. It would be interesting to see a photo of his deceased girlfriend.


That said, this guy has a whole history of repeat offenses and they are ALWAYS against boys and usually against boys that are in pairs. these types have broken recording in their head that they play again and again it's the fuel that makes their motor run. For that reason alone I hold out on waving the checkered flag for his race.

I do admit though he's certainly right up there.

Hiya SnowW, I think maybe you are thinking of the SO who was arrested in GA. This guy is the one who lived on Gano St. Too many Sos to keep track of, I know...

[Chica]

Sorry, trying to catch up and can see I am waaay behind. :blushing:

[Chica]

Ya Chica I'm getting old for sure. That newspaper article lists that this Kuhn committed sexual battery against his girlfriend's daughter back in 1997. I wonder who his girlfriend was then. Should be a matter of public record like the police report ect... Gotta do some digging I guess.


Amazing how much money, time and employees each state has to devote to just trying to keep track of these offenders. There's got to be a better way.

I can't imagine the money spent to monitor these freaks. The taxpayers would be stunned imo to find out where their tax dollars are going. 56,000 RSO in Florida alone...Disgraceful!

[lune3]

Lune...MY BAD...:blushing:

I completely mixed the two of these guys up in my head. My mind is swirling. I'm getting old. The notes written on the back of my hand are getting smudged I gotta start using paper.:tongueside:

SnowWhite, no need to feel bad or anything, we all get confused at times
...here's the freak who tried to abduct boys. His name is Kenneth Kellam. A report did say he could have a connection to Orange Park, but personally I don't think he's involved with Somer's murder. IMO

http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=11409562

[teresa]

I'm so shocked that there isn't an arrest yet in this case. I thought for sure that someone would have seen something with so many people being out and kids on their way home from school. It's so hard to believe she can just disappear in broad daylight with so many others outside.

At least we know if they ever find the right person, there should be plenty of DNA.

Poor little Somer.

[sunstar]

I'm so shocked that there isn't an arrest yet in this case. I thought for sure that someone would have seen something with so many people being out and kids on their way home from school. It's so hard to believe she can just disappear in broad daylight with so many others outside.

At least we know if they ever find the right person, there should be plenty of DNA.

Poor little Somer.

I think whatever happened was on somebody's property as opposed to her being picked up by the perp driving along the street and forcing her into his car ~ and that could be why nobody saw anything. She'd run ahead from the group of kids, was seen around the large propane tanks (maybe hiding from the others until they passed by) and was also seen by the burned house. So I think it's very possible she went onto the "wrong" property ~ where the perp was. MOO

[sunstar]

SnowWhite, no need to feel bad or anything, we all get confused at times
...here's the freak who tried to abduct boys. His name is Kenneth Kellam. A report did say he could have a connection to Orange Park, but personally I don't think he's involved with Somer's murder. IMO

http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=11409562

I don't either unless it can be proved he was in the area that afternoon. I still believe it's somebody who lives or works around the area where she was last seen. MOO

[Justice4all]

I'm so shocked that there isn't an arrest yet in this case. I thought for sure that someone would have seen something with so many people being out and kids on their way home from school. It's so hard to believe she can just disappear in broad daylight with so many others outside.

At least we know if they ever find the right person, there should be plenty of DNA.

Poor little Somer.

I feel the same way.....They know where she was last seen, they followed her body to the dump and they STILL haven't arrested someone..I'm SHOCK and SADDEN :crying:

MOO

[moonlite]

I don't either unless it can be proved he was in the area that afternoon. I still believe it's somebody who lives or works around the area where she was last seen. MOO

Greetings'
Sunstar"

I agree with you!! I think the perp lives in the area.IMO
Has the police said anything more about the perp who worked at the burned down house?
Moonlite

[lune3]

Any reports about scent dogs walking down the path she last walked? Did dogs hit anywhere near the propane tanks, the bathrooms, the neighbors on either side of the burned down home?
Scent dogs or cadaver dogs would hit where ever Somer was.

I remember seeing a video in one of the reports a while back where a woman with a scent dog, on Gano I think, was explaining how difficult it was to determine a scent on pavement due to the heat burning it off, as well as any scent being compromised by traffic fumes.
I don't know if they tried using dogs around the vacant house or in the area of those public bathrooms...I should hope so.

[Wallie]

According to Clay County Sheriff's Office, WLK will be in court today. What can we expect? Will he get out? :scared: I have no clue how these proceedings work. Will anything about Somer be brought up? Any new charges? If someone could fill me in one what he's up against today, I would really appreciate it! TIA!!

[Jayne]

I'm interested about any investigation into the childsitter...not that I'm saying it's him who did it. And..the kid and family of that kid who Somer was "arguing with" at school. Timing of this tragedy seems awfully coincidental to me. But...child molesters..they can case a place and just wait for opportunity. It could even be one of the people who showed up to "help" with the search or stand in town putting out flyers to search for Somer.

I wonder if they aren't looking for a needle in a haystack and missing something right there in their face. We don't even know if she was sexually assaulted, do we?

?

jmo

J

[Chica]

I have a bad feeling about this case. Unless the evidence taken from the vacant house is incriminating, I don't feel LE is any closer to solving Somer's murder. In Robert Manwill's case LE came right out and said something tragic had happened in his mother's apartment. We knew from the beginning his mother and/or bf had hurt Robert. In these cases where LE says nothing, as much as I want to believe they know who is involved and are keeping the info close to the vest, I feel they have no clue. And unless someone tips them off, I don't feel they will ever solve the case. Same as in Haleigh's case. :crying::crying:

[Justice4all]

According to Clay County Sheriff's Office, WLK will be in court today. What can we expect? Will he get out? :scared: I have no clue how these proceedings work. Will anything about Somer be brought up? Any new charges? If someone could fill me in one what he's up against today, I would really appreciate it! TIA!!

Wallie,..I'm STILL shocked there has not been an arrest yet :sad: So i don't know what to expect today.

[Wallie]

Thank you for replying Justice!

So the guy has been to court. Now the website is saying:

11/03/2009 Clay County Jail
bond set at 25003.00 blk

No clue what blk means. Bulk, black, bad loser Kuhn?? LOL I don't know.

[Riverwalk!]

Thank you for replying Justice!

So the guy has been to court. Now the website is saying:

11/03/2009 Clay County Jail
bond set at 25003.00 blk

No clue what blk means. Bulk, black, bad loser Kuhn?? LOL I don't know.

BLK = Blanket Bond and it's $0.

http://p2c.claysheriff.com/jailinmates.aspx
click through to get to the K's (page 26) and then click on WLK for details. Still says "pre-trial"??
:glare: at his new picture.

[moonlite]

I'm interested about any investigation into the childsitter...not that I'm saying it's him who did it. And..the kid and family of that kid who Somer was "arguing with" at school. Timing of this tragedy seems awfully coincidental to me. But...child molesters..they can case a place and just wait for opportunity. It could even be one of the people who showed up to "help" with the search or stand in town putting out flyers to search for Somer.

I wonder if they aren't looking for a needle in a haystack and missing something right there in their face. We don't even know if she was sexually assaulted, do we?

?

jmo

J

Greetings'
Jayne"

You ask some interesting questions!! I would really like to know more about the people in question. Do we know if the police are going to release the autopsy report?

Moonlite

[Hannibal]

a) There was dna found on the child's body and
b) the dna doesn't match the child sitter, any male members of the family, any males known who have been questioned/interviewed by the police including the known sex offenders in the area...

So talking about the child sittter/woman's boyfriend is a waste of time in my opinion...
The killer is an unsub...

Finding out who he is is proving to be difficult for the police as they don't appear to have any specific suspect or "person of interest"....

:thumbdown:

[Chica]

Greetings'
Jayne"

You ask some interesting questions!! I would really like to know more about the people in question. Do we know if the police are going to release the autopsy report?

Moonlite

Why would they? That information would be key to the case,

[Chica]

a) There was dna found on the child's body and
b) the dna doesn't match the child sitter, any male members of the family, any males known who have been questioned/interviewed by the police including the known sex offenders in the area...

So talking about the child sittter/woman's boyfriend is a waste of time in my opinion...
The killer is an unsub...

Finding out who he is is proving to be difficult for the police as they don't appear to have any specific suspect or "person of interest"....

:thumbdown:

I am not assuming DNA was found on the body.

[Hannibal]

:thumbdown:

The killer appears to me to be disorganized and in a hurry otherwise he would have chosen another method of disposing of the body.

LE seems to be holding back a lot of info....

:thumbdown:

[moonlite]

:thumbdown:

The killer appears to me to be disorganized and in a hurry otherwise he would have chosen another method of disposing of the body.

LE seems to be holding back a lot of info....

:thumbdown:

Greetings'
Hannibal"

I agree the murderer' is not sophisticated at all. I mean this kind of appears to be someone who just acted out of haste.IMO If Somer was sexually assaulted' and that is something we don't know yet. The perp didn't plan on her fighting back and killed her in haste.IMO

Then again' who is to say' it was not something to do with the fight that day at school?

Moonlite

[moonlite]

Why would they? That information would be key to the case,

Greetings'
Chica"

If the police have not got a POI or a perp behind bars. My question would be why wouldn't they release anything that might help find Somer's killer.
I just hope Somer's case does not go cold.IMO

Moonlite

[Hannibal]

Greetings'
Hannibal"

I agree the murderer' is not sophisticated at all. I mean this kind of appears to be someone who just acted out of haste.IMO If Somer was sexually assaulted' and that is something we don't know yet. The perp didn't plan on her fighting back and killed her in haste.IMO

Then again' who is to say' it was not something to do with the fight that day at school?

Moonlite


It's possible..some people, after the case in MO where the 15 year old killed the 9 year old, are wondering something along those lines...
There still might be dna even if there's no sexual assault.
The child's father did say in an interview that his daughter was a fighter, making me think she scratched the perp.If so the perp's dna is under her fingernails/on her fingers so they have the dna from there even if there wasn't a rape.

So you check local schools and see when the older children/adolescent children got out and if any left early...

:thumbdown:

[lune3]

:thumbdown:

The killer appears to me to be disorganized and in a hurry otherwise he would have chosen another method of disposing of the body.

LE seems to be holding back a lot of info....

:thumbdown:

I'm not so sure anymore. For a disorganized and "stupid" criminal, he hasn't been caught yet.

I'm starting to wonder if this guy is more clever than we thought.

Disposing the body in a dumpster may have simply been due to his wanting to get rid of it asap. Had LE not followed the garbage trail immediately, Somer would never have been found.

[Riverwalk!]

Just some thoughts about the DNA;

DNA might have been recovered from Somer's body and articles of clothing but she was found in a garbage dump after being in a garbage truck. DNA might have been compromised/degraded? Also DNA with one or more perps all mixed up with other trash/debris/garbage and Somer's own DNA. Also, I think the FDLE/FBI crime lab may have their hands full processing all the evidence???? May take more time than normal?

"The Clay County Sheriff's Office hasn't said whether it believes the crime was committed by more than one person."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,571325,00.html?test=latestnews

:shrug:

[R~O~S]

Just some thoughts about the DNA;

DNA might have been recovered from Somer's body and articles of clothing but she was found in a garbage dump after being in a garbage truck. DNA might have been compromised/degraded? Also DNA with one or more perps all mixed up with other trash/debris/garbage and Somer's own DNA. Also, I think the FDLE/FBI crime lab may have their hands full processing all the evidence???? May take more time than normal?

"The Clay County Sheriff's Office hasn't said whether it believes the crime was committed by more than one person."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,571325,00.html?test=latestnews

:shrug:

DNA would definitively be found on the body just because of where it was found. The issue is determining what is and isn't of value. DNA found on the surface of the body can easily be explained away as transference, the body came in contact with mass amounts of debris from a wide variety of sources.

Only DNA evidence found in places that can't be explained away as casual transfer would be viable for testing.

Add to that, it takes time to collect the evidence, transport it to the lab & it takes 5 days once testing is started, just to get the DNA results to match against anything they have in the data base. 5 days presuming the request to expedite the testing was made and granted. Do we even know that was done?

Assuming they expedited the testing, it's still kinda soon to expect they have the results, let alone tested against all the possible databases available.

In 2005, they couldn't get a DNA turnaround in 30 days. There was a 38% increase in requests for testing from 2002 to 2005, and only a 5% increase in testing ability. Nothing much has changed. The goal for time to collect the evidence to send to the lab was 72 hours, they were considering changing it to 120 hours. I can't find anything updated to determine if they did or didn't. but that's 3 days for collection and 5 days for testing, without allowing time for transport & assuming they were waiting for the samples at the door of the lab and started the testing process immediately.

http://www.dna.gov/basics/laboratory/labstatistics/

[Chica]

Greetings'
Chica"

If the police have not got a POI or a perp behind bars. My question would be why wouldn't they release anything that might help find Somer's killer.
I just hope Somer's case does not go cold.IMO

Moonlite

Hi there, Unless LE found evidence at the vacant house or someone comes forward with a tip, I think it will go cold. i hope I am wrong, But I don't feel LE has a clue.

[Chica]

It's possible..some people, after the case in MO where the 15 year old killed the 9 year old, are wondering something along those lines...
There still might be dna even if there's no sexual assault.
The child's father did say in an interview that his daughter was a fighter, making me think she scratched the perp.If so the perp's dna is under her fingernails/on her fingers so they have the dna from there even if there wasn't a rape.

So you check local schools and see when the older children/adolescent children got out and if any left early...

:thumbdown:

Yes, you are correct. I had forgotten about the scratching scenario. If LE in fact found skin under her nails that would be DNA. A match is another story, but it does sound plausible as LE did ask for people to look for someone who was injured..I hope if that was the case, LE knows already because time is passing and scratches heal quickly.

[cherylt]

Chica,
I think you and I said the same thing last week, didn't we? I feel more sure now than ever, that the case is cold and that LE hasn't the vaguest idea who killed Somer.:sad:


I heard LE collected "evidence" from the house and perhaps some from the park across the street. Has that been ruled out as evidence? There has been so much going on in the news lately, every one is covering a tiny bit of each story...

I sure do hope they found something. DNA under nails to match someone is AFIS would be the best outcome!

[moonlite]

It's possible..some people, after the case in MO where the 15 year old killed the 9 year old, are wondering something along those lines...
There still might be dna even if there's no sexual assault.
The child's father did say in an interview that his daughter was a fighter, making me think she scratched the perp.If so the perp's dna is under her fingernails/on her fingers so they have the dna from there even if there wasn't a rape.

So you check local schools and see when the older children/adolescent children got out and if any left early...

:thumbdown:

Greetings'
Hannibal"

I really hope the police have checked to see when the older children have been let out of school. I don't think at this point anything can be ruled out.IMO

Moonlite

[moonlite]

Hi there, Unless LE found evidence at the vacant house or someone comes forward with a tip, I think it will go cold. i hope I am wrong, But I don't feel LE has a clue.

Greetings'
Chica"

I agree with you about Somer's case going cold.IMO I think an arrest would have been made by now.IMO It's just sick that we have a child killer out on the loose.

Moonlite

[sunstar]

Greetings'
Hannibal"

I agree the murderer' is not sophisticated at all. I mean this kind of appears to be someone who just acted out of haste.IMO If Somer was sexually assaulted' and that is something we don't know yet. The perp didn't plan on her fighting back and killed her in haste.IMO

Then again' who is to say' it was not something to do with the fight that day at school?

Moonlite

I also think it could be either possibility. MOO

[sunstar]

Chica,
I think you and I said the same thing last week, didn't we? I feel more sure now than ever, that the case is cold and that LE hasn't the vaguest idea who killed Somer.:sad:

Hi! I think this pretty much says it all ~ :sad:

Somer To Be Topic Of America's Most Wanted

ORANGE PARK -- The hunt for the killer of little Somer Thompson will hit national airwaves.

Today Clay County sheriff Rick Beseler met with a crew from America's Most Wanted as the shows prepares to air the case nationally Saturday Night.

The reward offered for information that leads to the arrest and conviction of Somer Thompson's killer now stands at $45,000 from the Justice Coalition and Crime Stoppers.

A task force of investigators are trying to find the person or people responsible for killing the 7-year-old.

"The task force still includes agents from the FBI, Florida Department of Law Enforcement and U.S. Marshals, who have committed to remaining part of our team until Somer's killer is caught," said Mary Justino of the Clay County Sheriff's Office.

Sheriff's deputies say so far 2,600 tips have come in, but they hope airing the case will help generate solid leads that will lead to a person or persons of interest, and eventually an arrest in the case.

Justino said that no arrest has been made. "We do not have anyone in custody and have not named any persons of interest," Justino said.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/11/2/somer_to_be_topic_of_america39s_most_wanted.html

[Chica]

Hi! I think this pretty much says it all ~ :sad:

Somer To Be Topic Of America's Most Wanted

ORANGE PARK -- The hunt for the killer of little Somer Thompson will hit national airwaves.

Today Clay County sheriff Rick Beseler met with a crew from America's Most Wanted as the shows prepares to air the case nationally Saturday Night.

The reward offered for information that leads to the arrest and conviction of Somer Thompson's killer now stands at $45,000 from the Justice Coalition and Crime Stoppers.

A task force of investigators are trying to find the person or people responsible for killing the 7-year-old.

"The task force still includes agents from the FBI, Florida Department of Law Enforcement and U.S. Marshals, who have committed to remaining part of our team until Somer's killer is caught," said Mary Justino of the Clay County Sheriff's Office.

Sheriff's deputies say so far 2,600 tips have come in, but they hope airing the case will help generate solid leads that will lead to a person or persons of interest, and eventually an arrest in the case.

Justino said that no arrest has been made. "We do not have anyone in custody and have not named any persons of interest," Justino said.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/11/2/somer_to_be_topic_of_america39s_most_wanted.html

That is great news. Hope they reiterate the things to be looking for..
According to the article, will be aired Saturday night..

[sunstar]

That is great news. Hope they reiterate the things to be looking for..
According to the article, will be aired Saturday night..

Yes, finally Somer will be featured on AMW!! I too am glad the reward money is higher, but sadly just as we expected LE seems to not have any POI. :sad:

[Jayne]

a) There was dna found on the child's body and
b) the dna doesn't match the child sitter, any male members of the family, any males known who have been questioned/interviewed by the police including the known sex offenders in the area...

So talking about the child sittter/woman's boyfriend is a waste of time in my opinion...
The killer is an unsub...

Finding out who he is is proving to be difficult for the police as they don't appear to have any specific suspect or "person of interest"....

:thumbdown:

Well..yes..sitter ruled out..since no dna of his found on her...

maybe? In the garbage..as another poster said..she could have a "lot" of DNA found on her body that has nothing to do with her cause of death-demise.

Is it possible? To strangle (or beat/hit) a little girl...throw her in the garbage..and leave no DNA behind? i.e. no sexual assault..no stratching (dna under her fingernails) no hair fragments found from the perp, etc.

What if a victim was found with something "missing"? (Silence of the Lambs..just as example)..what is missing is a "clue" but takes time to figure out. NO NO..I'm not saying it is like this case..but just an example. Sometimes what is Missing can be a Clue. I see it like Circumstantial Evidence, but it can be part of the investigative process.

I don't know, but this is troublesome..yet it does take time..I just hope it's found out..soon.

jmo

J

[moonlite]

Hi! I think this pretty much says it all ~ :sad:

Somer To Be Topic Of America's Most Wanted

ORANGE PARK -- The hunt for the killer of little Somer Thompson will hit national airwaves.

Today Clay County sheriff Rick Beseler met with a crew from America's Most Wanted as the shows prepares to air the case nationally Saturday Night.

The reward offered for information that leads to the arrest and conviction of Somer Thompson's killer now stands at $45,000 from the Justice Coalition and Crime Stoppers.

A task force of investigators are trying to find the person or people responsible for killing the 7-year-old.

"The task force still includes agents from the FBI, Florida Department of Law Enforcement and U.S. Marshals, who have committed to remaining part of our team until Somer's killer is caught," said Mary Justino of the Clay County Sheriff's Office.

Sheriff's deputies say so far 2,600 tips have come in, but they hope airing the case will help generate solid leads that will lead to a person or persons of interest, and eventually an arrest in the case.

Justino said that no arrest has been made. "We do not have anyone in custody and have not named any persons of interest," Justino said.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/11/2/somer_to_be_topic_of_america39s_most_wanted.html

Greetings'
Sunstar"

Thanks for the link and update. I really hope AMW' can generate some solid leeds too.

Moonlite

[teresa]

I guess I need to read the transcripts of Somer's dad again on HLN. I thought he said there was DNA under her fingernails. Was it JVM he was on by phone? I know he was on live on NG.

Maybe it's just my wishful thinking to remember that. :sad:

[Chica]

Thank you for replying Justice!

So the guy has been to court. Now the website is saying:

11/03/2009 Clay County Jail
bond set at 25003.00 blk

No clue what blk means. Bulk, black, bad loser Kuhn?? LOL I don't know.


Good Morning All........Hope today is a good day..for Somer :rose:

Does anyone have any info on this guy (Gano St) who had a court date of 11/3?

[AmndaRcknwth]

Chica,
I think you and I said the same thing last week, didn't we? I feel more sure now than ever, that the case is cold and that LE hasn't the vaguest idea who killed Somer.:sad:

I agree. I'm afraid this person will only get caught "next time".

[Justice4all]

Greetings'
Chica"

I agree with you about Somer's case going cold.IMO I think an arrest would have been made by now.IMO It's just sick that we have a child killer out on the loose.

Moonlite

Sad for me to say this but i agree, IMO the case is going cold.
I'm shocked they found her so quickly and still haven't made an arrest :crying:

[Breazy]

I am so hoping that everyone is wrong and they have the perp on their radar. Like others, I'm afraid that might not be the case. My heart goes out to Somer's mother as each day passes.

[Chica]

Does anyone have any info on this guy (Gano St) who had a court date of 11/3?

[Lynden1000]

Me too. :sad: I'm sad that Somer's killer is on the loose and also afraid for other children in that area.....if the murderer is a sexual predator, he/she will offend again. :mad:

And, unfortunately, probably not the type to divulge his/her dirty secret to peers. :sad:

Loose lips tend to sink a lot of criminals but pedophiles seem to be fairly good at keeping a low profile.

[koawally]

Good Morning All........Hope today is a good day..for Somer :rose:

Does anyone have any info on this guy (Gano St) who had a court date of 11/3?


http://p2c.claysheriff.com/InmateDetail.aspx?navid=633929311671287084
KUHN, WILLIAM LEON
Arrest Date:11/1/2009



Charge Status Bond Amount
FAILURE OF SEXUAL PREDATOR TO REPORT TEMP ADDRESS PRE-TRIAL CASH OR SURETY $25,003.00
FAIL TO REPORT NAME OR RESIDENCE CHANGE ON DL PRE-TRIAL BLANKET BOND $0.00
Total Bond Amount:$25,003.00

[koawally]

Sad for me to say this but i agree, IMO the case is going cold.
I'm shocked they found her so quickly and still haven't made an arrest :crying:

I really am shocked too, shocked that LE ruled out area sexual offenders so fast???
There's sooo damn many of them in Florida.

LE has not released that this lil girl was sexually violated prior to her vicious murder.

"IF" there's a possibility that Somer's murderer was in fact a RSO/SO then LE owes it to the public to at least let them KNOW so that the public in and out of Florida are that much more vigilant.

I listened to John Walsh and what he stated Re: Somer and the possibility a RSO may have come out of retirement...

I'm not so sure anymore.

Certainly the public does not need any details...just a yes or no

LE saying nothing at all leads me to believe that the murderer is much closer to Somer's immediate family circle:ohmy:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Deputies help deputies working Thompson case
http://www.claytoday.biz/content/1674_1.php

[Jayne]

I really am shocked too, shocked that LE ruled out area sexual offenders so fast???
There's sooo damn many of them in Florida.<snipped>

]

I agree...I am maybe not shocked but dismayed. How can they rule out a SO without evidence to do so..like DNA? Or presence or lack of it at the time of the crime?

I guess we won't know whether poor Somer was sexually assaulted..what was done to her body before dumping her..the LE need to keep that to themselves, I imagine, to narrow it down - if possible, until someone is caught, if ever.

However, if I were in that community, I'd want to know if it was a sexual assault..no details necessary..just know that that poor little girl was sexually assaulted..so look out...if it was a sexual offender..whether a registered one or not. I wouldn't want the community being in a Fog..or looking over their shoulder at every single person because they are surmising what occurred instead of knowing at least something. I'd think from the lack of output of information one can assume..this certainly wasn't an accident. But LE can't release anything until they close a case, if then.

jmo

j

[Ladygator]

:sad: After finding Somer so fast I'm shocked that LE doesn't have any leads as to who did this to her.

The reward is up to 40-45k now and still no person in custody.

[Eileen]

I hope they find the person responsible for killing this little girl?
We dont really know what happened to her. how she died?
but it is very very sad!!!!!!!

now if summer was walking home with her brother and sister and they got in a little verbal fight and she ran up ahead of them maybe she made it home ! who is this guy that was waiting for the children? (somers mother had lunch with him that day i believe)

[cantstandnuts]

I hope they find the person responsible for killing this little girl?
We dont really know what happened to her. how she died?
but it is very very sad!!!!!!!

now if summer was walking home with her brother and sister and they got in a little verbal fight and she ran up ahead of them maybe she made it home ! who is this guy that was waiting for the children? (somers mother had lunch with him that day i believe)

The guy waiting at home has been ruled out. I believe that if it was him, he'd be arrested by now, but I'm not sure of anything anymore.

Either they know what's up and are keeping it close to the vest until they have enough evidence to arrest the scumbag, or they have absolutely no idea who did it IMO.

Unfortunately, I think it's the latter. Just a gut, based on how fast they found her and how nothing's happened since then.

Poor little girl. RIP, Somer.

[moonlite]

Well...like the rest of you I keep checking here and on the news and nothing. :sad:

I'm thinking that LE needs to release the information about where they have determined to be her initial drop point. Where was she initially determined to have been dumped to begin with? Maybe I'm just assuming she was dumped near home. Maybe we would be surprised to find out where she was actually at? That would potentially jar someone's memory.

Unfortunately there are enough cases going cold already in Florida and enough new cases each day that this is going to start dwindling to page 9 unless something unfolds here quickly.

LE has already been asking for the public's help, why not release a little more information?

In the meantime, I tell you what I would NOT want my children out by themselves. SOMEONE out there killed this little girl and he or she is STILL out there.

Greetings"
SnowWhite"

Maybe the LE will release more information after America's most wanted airs on 11/7. I really hope this perp is caught and taken off the street. No way at any time or place should parents let small children out alone.IMO

Hoping for Justice for little Somer.

Moonlite

[Chica]

Just thought I'd check in to see if there were any new developments. I, too hope maybe something new will surface after AMW airing Saturday night. So sad..:crying:

[aproudmom]

hopefully there will be an arrest soon :sad:

[Lovethechild]

Along with Sheriff Beseler, John Walsh theorizes Somer's killer could be a pedophile serial murderer who may have re-emerged from a "dormant period," and who may be responsible for the previous disappearances of 4 additional children. Those cases remain open.

:scared:

http://www.examiner.com/x-23328-True-Crime-Examiner~y2009m11d4-Somer-Thompsons-killer-still-unnamed-dedicated-cops-sort-workable-leads-in-almost-3000-tips

[watson]

Along with Sheriff Beseler, John Walsh theorizes Somer's killer could be a pedophile serial murderer who may have re-emerged from a "dormant period," and who may be responsible for the previous disappearances of 4 additional children. Those cases remain open.

:scared:

http://www.examiner.com/x-23328-True-Crime-Examiner~y2009m11d4-Somer-Thompsons-killer-still-unnamed-dedicated-cops-sort-workable-leads-in-almost-3000-tips

The link provided doesn't have the information you quoted. They must have changed their article? Anyway, I was interested to hear more about the 4 other children who have disappeared. I hadn't heard that before.

[moonlite]

Along with Sheriff Beseler, John Walsh theorizes Somer's killer could be a pedophile serial murderer who may have re-emerged from a "dormant period," and who may be responsible for the previous disappearances of 4 additional children. Those cases remain open.

:scared:

http://www.examiner.com/x-23328-True-Crime-Examiner~y2009m11d4-Somer-Thompsons-killer-still-unnamed-dedicated-cops-sort-workable-leads-in-almost-3000-tips

Greetings"
Lovethechild'

Thanks for the link. Do you know what 4 cases John Walsh is talking about that could be linked to Somer's.

Moonlite

[Breazy]

Along with Sheriff Beseler, John Walsh theorizes Somer's killer could be a pedophile serial murderer who may have re-emerged from a "dormant period," and who may be responsible for the previous disappearances of 4 additional children. Those cases remain open.

:scared:

http://www.examiner.com/x-23328-True-Crime-Examiner~y2009m11d4-Somer-Thompsons-killer-still-unnamed-dedicated-cops-sort-workable-leads-in-almost-3000-tips

Wonder if he's talking about the guy whose wife died just previous to Somer being killed? Is he still in jail for not updating his registry?

[koawally]

The link provided doesn't have the information you quoted. They must have changed their article? Anyway, I was interested to hear more about the 4 other children who have disappeared. I hadn't heard that before.

Here is information on the other children:

http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/112398/met_2a1disap.html

Jean(Jeanie) Marie Schoen (9 yrs) July 21 1974 (missing 24 yrs) after going to a store near her grandmother's house on West 19th Street in Springfield. Body never found.

**Lillian Annette Anderson (11 yrs) & her sister , Mylette (6yrs) disappeared Aug. 1from their Oceanway home while their mother was attending a sick relative.

Prosecutors concluded the girls were abducted by self-proclaimed mass murderer Paul John Knowles and closed the case. Knowles, a 28-year-old Jacksonville resident, was killed in December 1974 trying to escape from Georgia authorities.

In tape recordings found after his death, Knowles said he abducted two girls matching the description of the Anderson sisters and buried them in an isolated area at the western end of Commonwealth Avenue. Their bodies were never found despite a massive search. Lester Parmenter, the former homicide detective who investigated the disappearances, said he and his partner, Sgt. Richard Pruett, never considered the Anderson case cleared. Even so, ''We felt strongly that he probably did it. We couldn't prove it because we didn't have the bodies,'' Parmenter said.

Virginia Helm (12 yrs) disappeared Sept. 27 while going to a convenience store a block from her home on Dean Road on the Southside. A month later, her body was found in a shallow grave south of Beach Boulevard. She had been shot through the head.

Rebecca Ann Greene (12 yrs) disappeared Oct. 12 after buying soft drinks at a store in her Fairfield neighborhood. Her skeleton was found three years later on Heckscher Drive

[moonlite]

Here is information on the other children:

http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/112398/met_2a1disap.html

Jean(Jeanie) Marie Schoen (9 yrs) July 21 1974 (missing 24 yrs) after going to a store near her grandmother's house on West 19th Street in Springfield. Body never found.

**Lillian Annette Anderson (11 yrs) & her sister , Mylette (6yrs) disappeared Aug. 1from their Oceanway home while their mother was attending a sick relative.

Prosecutors concluded the girls were abducted by self-proclaimed mass murderer Paul John Knowles and closed the case. Knowles, a 28-year-old Jacksonville resident, was killed in December 1974 trying to escape from Georgia authorities.

In tape recordings found after his death, Knowles said he abducted two girls matching the description of the Anderson sisters and buried them in an isolated area at the western end of Commonwealth Avenue. Their bodies were never found despite a massive search. Lester Parmenter, the former homicide detective who investigated the disappearances, said he and his partner, Sgt. Richard Pruett, never considered the Anderson case cleared. Even so, ''We felt strongly that he probably did it. We couldn't prove it because we didn't have the bodies,'' Parmenter said.

Virginia Helm (12 yrs) disappeared Sept. 27 while going to a convenience store a block from her home on Dean Road on the Southside. A month later, her body was found in a shallow grave south of Beach Boulevard. She had been shot through the head.

Rebecca Ann Greene (12 yrs) disappeared Oct. 12 after buying soft drinks at a store in her Fairfield neighborhood. Her skeleton was found three years later on Heckscher Drive



Greetings"

What is the one thing that connects all these missing children? I mean there has got to be something that Somer's killer did? From the sounds of it' sure not method of disposal. I'm wondering allot of things now; like was Somer shot? Do we know if the other children found had been molested' etc?

Moonlite

[Ice Cycle]

Greetings"

What is the one thing that connects all these missing children? I mean there has got to be something that Somer's killer did? From the sounds of it' sure not method of disposal. I'm wondering allot of things now; like was Somer shot? Do we know if the other children found had been molested' etc?

Moonlite

Still no arrest I see, I think the fact that her family was not allowed to see here body makes a statement of it's own, unimaginable.

[Lovethechild]

And while I'm sitting here pondering all of this alone on this thread, for that matter, Neveah Buchanan's abduction and murder has never been solved either. Say what you will about the freaks her mother let her be around but it STILL is not solved so there is another case where the person(s) responsible are at large.


Makes ya feel real safe don't it.

Very scary. Justice needs to be served for all of these children.

[Ladygator]

AND...I can see just from the decrease in the number of posts on this thread that the general public has already moved on to other cases. This is how fast these things grow cold.

:sad: I've been waiting to hear something on Somer but there is nothing! LE seems to have no clue as to what happened to her. Without leads, there is nothing!

And I find that so hard to believe that somebody didn't see something. It was broad daylight, kids were walking around, there were crossing guards, etc, yet, it's true, I guess. Nobody seen anything!!!

For me, personally, this case resembles that of an old, cold case in my area. A girl got off at her bus stop and was never seen alive again. Her body was found days later in an orange grove.

The only thing I see similar between Somer and Haleigh {if Misty isn't involved} is that the person was bold and very daring in both cases. Snatching one in broad day light and the other walking into a home in the middle of the night.

[Ladygator]

Thanks for your insight, I never got 'into' the Haleigh case for whatever reason, actually I think it was the unbelievable family dynamics in that case that just got completely in the way.

I'm on and off on Haleigh. Another precious girl that I hope is found but it's not looking good.

There would probably be more posts here about Somer if information was given out for us to discuss. There hasn't been anything, that I've seen, since the NC where the sheriff told of behavoir signs the killer might exhibit.

Timing has alot to do with it too. There are so many high profile cases going on right now.

[koawally]

Greetings"

What is the one thing that connects all these missing children? I mean there has got to be something that Somer's killer did? From the sounds of it' sure not method of disposal. I'm wondering allot of things now; like was Somer shot? Do we know if the other children found had been molested' etc?

Moonlite

Hi moonlite,

We still don't know if Somer was molested.

Two things that connect them:

The missing children are all from Florida.

The missing children are all girls.

Hopefully tonight John Walsh can help as he will have an update on Somers case.

So many of these cases in Florida...go cold:crying:

[watson]

Here is information on the other children:

http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/112398/met_2a1disap.html

Jean(Jeanie) Marie Schoen (9 yrs) July 21 1974 (missing 24 yrs) after going to a store near her grandmother's house on West 19th Street in Springfield. Body never found.

**Lillian Annette Anderson (11 yrs) & her sister , Mylette (6yrs) disappeared Aug. 1from their Oceanway home while their mother was attending a sick relative.

Prosecutors concluded the girls were abducted by self-proclaimed mass murderer Paul John Knowles and closed the case. Knowles, a 28-year-old Jacksonville resident, was killed in December 1974 trying to escape from Georgia authorities.

In tape recordings found after his death, Knowles said he abducted two girls matching the description of the Anderson sisters and buried them in an isolated area at the western end of Commonwealth Avenue. Their bodies were never found despite a massive search. Lester Parmenter, the former homicide detective who investigated the disappearances, said he and his partner, Sgt. Richard Pruett, never considered the Anderson case cleared. Even so, ''We felt strongly that he probably did it. We couldn't prove it because we didn't have the bodies,'' Parmenter said.

Virginia Helm (12 yrs) disappeared Sept. 27 while going to a convenience store a block from her home on Dean Road on the Southside. A month later, her body was found in a shallow grave south of Beach Boulevard. She had been shot through the head.

Rebecca Ann Greene (12 yrs) disappeared Oct. 12 after buying soft drinks at a store in her Fairfield neighborhood. Her skeleton was found three years later on Heckscher Drive

Thank you! I appreciate that.

[Wallie]

I came across an interesting article you may want to read while waiting for more info about Somer's death....

Traffic up at the state Web site that shows where convicted sexual offenders live
Traffic increases in recent weeks at state Web site registry

In the wake of the mid-October killing of 7-year-old Somer Thompson as she walked home from her Orange Park school, some have wondered if a sexual offender was involved. That may have sparked some of the increase in people logging onto the Florida Sexual Offenders and Predators Registry online at offender.fdle.state.fl.us to find out how many of the state's registered 52,000 sexual offenders and predators are in their neighborhoods.

Source: http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-11-07/story/traffic_up_at_the_state_web_site_that_shows_where_ convicted_sexual

[Chica]

I came across an interesting article you may want to read while waiting for more info about Somer's death....

Traffic up at the state Web site that shows where convicted sexual offenders live
Traffic increases in recent weeks at state Web site registry

In the wake of the mid-October killing of 7-year-old Somer Thompson as she walked home from her Orange Park school, some have wondered if a sexual offender was involved. That may have sparked some of the increase in people logging onto the Florida Sexual Offenders and Predators Registry online at offender.fdle.state.fl.us to find out how many of the state's registered 52,000 sexual offenders and predators are in their neighborhoods.

Source: http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-11-07/story/traffic_up_at_the_state_web_site_that_shows_where_ convicted_sexual

Gee, Don't state officials who are scratching their heads at the increase of web hits realize maybe it's because sex offender infested Florida has so many unsolved missing or murdered children ? And how can a sex offender just decide not to register? Sounds like falling through that crack is pretty easy. Doesn't anyone monitor these freaks? I am beginning to believe all LE are clueless and sitting in a doughnut shop. Sorry, if I offend any here in LE, but that is how I feel. It seems to be pretty easy for a SO to get his jollies off. I wonder why more aren't doing it?

[kelloggirl]

Somer Thompson Cops Ready to Move on Tips from AMW (http://www.examiner.com/x-23328-True-Crime-Examiner~y2009m11d7-Somer-Thompson-cops-ready-to-move-on-tips-from-117-AMW)

Here's praying and hoping that tonight's episode leads to a break in Somer's case. :rose:

[sunstar]

Somer Thompson Cops Ready to Move on Tips from AMW (http://www.examiner.com/x-23328-True-Crime-Examiner~y2009m11d7-Somer-Thompson-cops-ready-to-move-on-tips-from-117-AMW)

Here's praying and hoping that tonight's episode leads to a break in Somer's case. :rose:

I'm praying too! :smile:

[Acey]

Somer Thompson Cops Ready to Move on Tips from AMW (http://www.examiner.com/x-23328-True-Crime-Examiner~y2009m11d7-Somer-Thompson-cops-ready-to-move-on-tips-from-117-AMW)

Here's praying and hoping that tonight's episode leads to a break in Somer's case. :rose:

I hope AMW's phones are ringing off the wall with credible tips, and that Somer's killer is in jail very soon.

[kelloggirl]

Items Still Missing From Somer Thompson (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=147820&catid=3)

"ORANGE PARK, Fla. -- An episode of "America's Most Wanted" that aired Saturday night revealed two missing items Somer Thompson may have had on her the day she disappeared.

An artist's rendering of the items was released by police.

One is a tote-style bag 7-year-old used to carry her books and the other is a zippered, round lunch box with a pink pig design. Neither of these items have been recovered by investigators involved in the case.

Witnesses believe Somer had these two items with her when she was last seen walking home from school."

[Ladygator]

Items Still Missing From Somer Thompson (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=147820&catid=3)

"ORANGE PARK, Fla. -- An episode of "America's Most Wanted" that aired Saturday night revealed two missing items Somer Thompson may have had on her the day she disappeared.

An artist's rendering of the items was released by police.

One is a tote-style bag 7-year-old used to carry her books and the other is a zippered, round lunch box with a pink pig design. Neither of these items have been recovered by investigators involved in the case.

Witnesses believe Somer had these two items with her when she was last seen walking home from school."

I still remember how Joseph Smith drove some 350 miles on the borrowed car he used to abduct Carlie Brucia with. While he dumped her body close to home, he traveled far, tossing her book bag and belongings into several dumpsters.

This could be what Somer's killer did as well.

I didn't watch the AMW show lastnight but I'm glad to see some 'new' information on the case being released.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Just because people are not posting doesn't mean they have 'moved on'.... there is nothing new to discuss, people can still follow and be 'involved' in this w/o talking for the sake of talking.

Well put - you could post this on numerous threads :) I don't have time to post on every thread I would like, but I definitely check in. I also appreciate all of the updates you guys give.

[Acey]

Items Still Missing From Somer Thompson (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=147820&catid=3)

"ORANGE PARK, Fla. -- An episode of "America's Most Wanted" that aired Saturday night revealed two missing items Somer Thompson may have had on her the day she disappeared.

An artist's rendering of the items was released by police.

One is a tote-style bag 7-year-old used to carry her books and the other is a zippered, round lunch box with a pink pig design. Neither of these items have been recovered by investigators involved in the case.

Witnesses believe Somer had these two items with her when she was last seen walking home from school."


Is that a skull and crossbones on the book bag?

[moonlite]

Hi moonlite,

We still don't know if Somer was molested.

Two things that connect them:

The missing children are all from Florida.

The missing children are all girls.

Hopefully tonight John Walsh can help as he will have an update on Somers case.

So many of these cases in Florida...go cold:crying:

Greetings"
Koawally'

Sorry this has taken me a few days in responding. I was out of town. Besides' the children all living in Florida and being female is there anything else?

Because in my opinion that doesn't make for a strong connection to show it is a serial killer.
The way I see it' the first four girls were murdered like over 30 yrs ago. If the perp was let's say 20 yrs old or older back then, it would put him about 50 yrs at the youngest today. Now in my opinion I don't think a 50 yr old seasoned killer would just dump a body in haste. Then you have some of those children who were buried. Once again' my opinion only' the method of disposal say's allot about a killer. Somer was disposed of in a manner that suggest someone who acted in haste and disregard.
Do we know if any of the other children are missing items? I mean like suggested on AMW.

Moonlite

[sunstar]

I still remember how Joseph Smith drove some 350 miles on the borrowed car he used to abduct Carlie Brucia with. While he dumped her body close to home, he traveled far, tossing her book bag and belongings into several dumpsters.

This could be what Somer's killer did as well.

I didn't watch the AMW show lastnight but I'm glad to see some 'new' information on the case being released.

Good point. I too think it's possible the perp couldn't put Somer's body in his vehicle and dump her elsewhere so he used what was most convenient, but the book & lunch bags could've been tossed practically anywhere. Maybe even in trash from that area but not in the same container as Somer. It's too bad this information wasn't released sooner. If the items have been discarded in garbage, they'll probably never be found. MOO

[Wallie]

FYI.....Somer's mom is giving an interview this morning on Good Morning America (ABC).

[Wallie]

Exclusive: Mother's Desperate Search for Somer's Killer
Diena Thompson, Mother of Murdered Somer Thompson: 'I'm Not Going to Let This Monster Win'
Source:http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/somer-thompson-mother-diena-searches-killer/story?id=9029804


Website that is mentioned in the interview and in the article above.

Remembering Somer (http://www.rememberingsomer.com/)

I'm surprised DT quit her job. I'm also surprised she rearranged the kids bedrooms so they won't have to sleep in a place that constantly reminds them of their sister.

[Wallie]

Something else that surprised me and I don't understand...
Why would DT need her lawyer with her during this interview? :confused:

[Wallie]

The video is available now.

http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=9032241

[Acey]

Something else that surprised me and I don't understand...
Why would DT need her lawyer with her during this interview? :confused:

Wallie, thanks for the links. I don't know why she needs a lawyer. Maybe I missed something.

[kelloggirl]

Exclusive: Mother's Desperate Search for Somer's Killer
Diena Thompson, Mother of Murdered Somer Thompson: 'I'm Not Going to Let This Monster Win'
Source:http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/somer-thompson-mother-diena-searches-killer/story?id=9029804


Website that is mentioned in the interview and in the article above.

Remembering Somer (http://www.rememberingsomer.com/)

I'm surprised DT quit her job. I'm also surprised she rearranged the kids bedrooms so they won't have to sleep in a place that constantly reminds them of their sister.

Neither of those things surprises me. Could you work, so soon after your daughter's murder, knowing that it happened while you were at work, knowing the killer was still out there, and you had other vulnerable children? I couldn't.

Making the children less aware of their missing sister isn't surprising either. A constant reminder is not helpful, especially at night when they can worry that it will happen to them. They are unlikely to forget their sister is missing no matter what, but she can minimize any trauma.

The lawyer, however, is surprising.

[koawally]

Exclusive: Mother's Desperate Search for Somer's Killer
Diena Thompson, Mother of Murdered Somer Thompson: 'I'm Not Going to Let This Monster Win'
Source:http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/somer-thompson-mother-diena-searches-killer/story?id=9029804


Website that is mentioned in the interview and in the article above.

Remembering Somer (http://www.rememberingsomer.com/)

I'm surprised DT quit her job. I'm also surprised she rearranged the kids bedrooms so they won't have to sleep in a place that constantly reminds them of their sister.

My bold above & copy below
Rearranged the kids bedrooms so they won't have to sleep in a place that constantly reminds them of their sister...I find that very "strange"!!!! :ohmy:

I also find it "strange" that Somers bookbag with the skeleton head and bone(s) along with her lunch bag with the pig on it were shown to the public as an artists rendition of a picture, instead of identical actual pictures of similar items from the companies who made them.

Also "strange" that Diena would have her lawyer at Fridays interview. Why would she need a lawyer?

I was hoping AMW would have given more information on how lil Somer died or if she was molested. LE generally at least gives the public a yes or no confirming or negating molestation...makes me wonder why there's NO confirmation here..."strange"

Gosh, I was really hoping there would be more information given to hopefully lead to a break in this case.

[koawally]

Good point. I too think it's possible the perp couldn't put Somer's body in his vehicle and dump her elsewhere so he used what was most convenient, but the book & lunch bags could've been tossed practically anywhere. Maybe even in trash from that area but not in the same container as Somer. It's too bad this information wasn't released sooner. If the items have been discarded in garbage, they'll probably never be found. MOO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6nYudvMUF8

What ever happened to Somer's Hannah Montana backpack??

[moonlite]

The video is available now.

http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=9032241

Greetings"
Wallie'

Thanks for all the links. I have a question how many brother's and sister's does Somer have? I thought there was four siblings? I only hear DT, mention three of them in all her interviews?

Moonlite

[VC2]

Neither of those things surprises me. Could you work, so soon after your daughter's murder, knowing that it happened while you were at work, knowing the killer was still out there, and you had other vulnerable children? I couldn't.

Making the children less aware of their missing sister isn't surprising either. A constant reminder is not helpful, especially at night when they can worry that it will happen to them. They are unlikely to forget their sister is missing no matter what, but she can minimize any trauma.

The lawyer, however, is surprising.

ITA except at the surprise re the lawyer

They aren't just for defendants :wink: An attorney can take over most of the "outside" things like requests for interviews etc., help guide her through the investigation, procedures, try to get answers for her. She also may be facing a custody battle, don't forget her ex husband said that he was going to take the kids and they would not live in Oak Park again. If that is the case then it would be important to have an attorney with her because some comments could be misconstrued by her ex's attorney.

There is no way i could go back to work if it was me at this point, she is going to be super protective over the rest of the children and she also probably still breaks down half of the day. Trying to stay strong for the kids and office probably is to much to expect.

Rearranging the rooms, now this is a smart mom. I think it is a great idea bc the kids are going to be so nervous themselves that someone will take them, and to have to pass Somer's empty room each time can be enough to make bedtime traumatic. Changing things around can help alleviate it a little bit. I do remember she said they were all going to get counselling and i am sure there was a child psychologist available at the school who she also might have gotten advice from

IMO

[VC2]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6nYudvMUF8

What ever happened to Somer's Hannah Montana backpack??

They have a sketch in the GMA article link, its adorable..pink and white with stars and hearts and tiny skull and crossbones. Also such a cute lunch pail

LE are asking anyone who has seen it to come forward. I hope this creep kept it as a trophy or gave it to a niece or something and can be found that way

[cantstandnuts]

My bold above & copy below
Rearranged the kids bedrooms so they won't have to sleep in a place that constantly reminds them of their sister...I find that very "strange"!!!! :ohmy:

I also find it "strange" that Somers bookbag with the skeleton head and bone(s) along with her lunch bag with the pig on it were shown to the public as an artists rendition of a picture, instead of identical actual pictures of similar items from the companies who made them.

Also "strange" that Diena would have her lawyer at Fridays interview. Why would she need a lawyer?

I was hoping AMW would have given more information on how lil Somer died or if she was molested. LE generally at least gives the public a yes or no confirming or negating molestation...makes me wonder why there's NO confirmation here..."strange"

Gosh, I was really hoping there would be more information given to hopefully lead to a break in this case.

Bolding mine. Why is that strange? I see it as protecting her other children. It seems, to me at least, something a good mother might do. Am I missing something?

[Wallie]

Your welcome Acey :biggrin:

Kelloggirl...I wasn't saying she should go back to work. I was hoping her employer would have told her to take as much time as she needed. I know some people even get a paid bereavement leave. It's too bad she had to quit, but I'm sure she'll be able to find something else when she's ready/able to go back to work.

I agree with you about rearranging things, but I was thinking Somer's room would become more of a shire than anything. It just seems so soon to rearrange things. Perhaps she shared a bedroom with her sister and she was having a hard time dealing with Somer's bed being empty, which I can totally understand. Whatever the reason, I'm sure DT is doing what she feels is best for her and her children.

Koawally...Who knows? Everything keeps changing, like Somer's hair. First it was reported as being in a ponytail with a red ribbon and now it's pigtails with pink ribbons.

Moonlite... greetings :biggrin: and your welcome. I believe there is her twin brother, 10 old sister and 13 year old half brother.

VC2, thanks for explaining the lawyer being there...now that makes sense!

By the way, WLK is due back in court tomorrow.

[Leanne Weich]

Bolding mine. Why is that strange? I see it as protecting her other children. It seems, to me at least, something a good mother might do. Am I missing something?

No cant, I don't think you're missing a thing. Unfortunately, in these kinds of cases, some people will always try to find something that they try to pin on the victim's family. It is so sad.

[cantstandnuts]

No cant, I don't think you're missing a thing. Unfortunately, in these kinds of cases, some people will always try to find something that they try to pin on the victim's family. It is so sad.

Thanks, Leanne. It made sense to me to do this for her living children. Shrines have always sort of freaked me out, but I do get why people do it. However, when there are other kids in the home, it doesn't seem right.

Hey, you can call me nuts. :laugh:

[sunstar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6nYudvMUF8

What ever happened to Somer's Hannah Montana backpack??

I don't have any idea! I'm also among those who can't understand why the missing items were sketched ~ are they old and no longer available in stores? :shrug: MOO

[sunstar]

ITA except at the surprise re the lawyer

They aren't just for defendants :wink: An attorney can take over most of the "outside" things like requests for interviews etc., help guide her through the investigation, procedures, try to get answers for her. She also may be facing a custody battle, don't forget her ex husband said that he was going to take the kids and they would not live in Oak Park again. If that is the case then it would be important to have an attorney with her because some comments could be misconstrued by her ex's attorney.

There is no way i could go back to work if it was me at this point, she is going to be super protective over the rest of the children and she also probably still breaks down half of the day. Trying to stay strong for the kids and office probably is to much to expect.

Rearranging the rooms, now this is a smart mom. I think it is a great idea bc the kids are going to be so nervous themselves that someone will take them, and to have to pass Somer's empty room each time can be enough to make bedtime traumatic. Changing things around can help alleviate it a little bit. I do remember she said they were all going to get counselling and i am sure there was a child psychologist available at the school who she also might have gotten advice from

IMO

I haven't had a chance to see the interview , so thanks so much for explaining a few things! I too couldn't understand having the lawyer there since she is in no way a suspect or POI, but what you said makes sense. And even though she had no way of knowing Somer was going to be abducted & killed that day, she probably feels guilt that she was at work. Maybe her employer didn't offer her any extended time off either. I'm sure this whole thing has been very traumatic for the other kids too, and I also hope they're getting counseling. :sad: MOO

[Justice4all]

I have to wonder how this case could possible go so cold so fast :crying:


mho

[sunstar]

In one of the latest news articles posted here it's reported that her backpack has never been found.

You mean the Hannah Montana one? That's odd since she was reported to only have the skulls tote bag and the piggy lunch bag with her. :confused:

[moonlite]

I have to wonder how this case could possible go so cold so fast :crying:


mho

Greetings'
Justice4all'

I'm in agreement with you!! What is completely sad' we have a child killer that knows he/she is getting by with murder.

Moonlite

[sunstar]

Jut erase what I said. I don't have time right now to look for the article or to look for sources about 3 different items Somer may have had with her. Sorry, wont' speak so quickly next time.

No problem ~ I was just wondering if I had missed something! :smile:

[Keegan]

Trust fund for the family of Somer? I have heard of trust funds for children of murder victims but never for the family of a murdered child.

The backpack and lunch box never found? My own opinion it points right back to her dropping her things at home before this happened.

[Wallie]

Somer Thompson’s mom: 'I tell her every day that I love her'
Orange Park girl slain three weeks ago
* Story updated at 2:49 AM on Tuesday, Nov. 10, 2009

Snipped from the article:

Thompson has retraced the route on Gano Avenue where Somer vanished just once, while being driven to Grove Park Elementary last week to pick up Somer’s twin brother and older sister. The agony of imagining what her daughter went through caused her to vomit when she got home.


“It’s heart-wrenching,” Thompson said.


Somer’s siblings have returned to school and are undergoing counseling. They have spent time living with her and their grandparents. Thompson said the twin, Sam, cries himself to sleep at night.

Source: http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-11-10/story/somer_thompson%E2%80%99s_mom_i_tell_her_every_day_ that_i_love_her

[Marrigan]

Trust fund for the family of Somer? I have heard of trust funds for children of murder victims but never for the family of a murdered child.
The backpack and lunch box never found? My own opinion it points right back to her dropping her things at home before this happened.

ITA. A trust fund for the family is troubling.

From today's ABC interview, "I know that Samuel had lagged behind talking to a friend," Diena Thompson told "GMA." "And Abby and Somer were together and that -- I'm not sure what happened. Somer got teased a lot. ... She ran ahead, and Abby just figured she'd catch up with her. And when she got to the second crossing guard Somer wasn't there."


This has been nagging at me from the beginning. Why doesn't Diena (and investigators) know what happened between Abby and Somer? What did Abby say to her that would make her run off, and not just ahead to the next crossing guard? What is the visual between the point where the girls argued and the next crossing guard? How fast can a 7 yr. old run that she could disappear from sight in such a short period of time?

There has been so much said about Somer being teased a lot, but never any explanations as to why. A babysitter said that Somer had a pattern of 'running ahead' or 'running off' and that Diena had given her the phone numbers of various friends' parents if Somer didn't come home. How 'sensitive' a child was Somer? Was the teasing she endured relentless enough that she had a hiding place to escape? Or was she the kind of child that could dish it out and not take it?

I re-read many of the articles this morning and while the investigators' profile of the possible abductor is helpful, I can't help but think that a more complete profile of Somer is in order. Call it my sixth sense, but I just have this feeling that the children know more than what they are saying. Not that they're necessarily deliberately withholding information, but perhaps the right questions aren't being asked.

[Ice Cycle]

Trust fund for the family of Somer? I have heard of trust funds for children of murder victims but never for the family of a murdered child.

The backpack and lunch box never found? My own opinion it points right back to her dropping her things at home before this happened.

Keegan,
bbm \You and me both.
Here is a short Fla. news clip about the case. There are pictures of the still missing items. I was old that the Hanna Montana Backpack IS the pink one. It doesn't have Hanna Montana's face on it but it's made by the brand Hanna Montana. Who knows?

This is a case to me that seems like the answer is right in front of everyone but yet not able to see it. It was my first thought to that she had laid the items down and then someone took her, such as at a play ground or friend's house or yes even home. Maybe the perp then went back and got them and disposed of them elsewhere or burnt them. I gotta say that the construction workers saying they saw her at that house kind of gives me a hinky feeling, assuming though that LE has checked their story out.

[koawally]

I don't have any idea! I'm also among those who can't understand why the missing items were sketched ~ are they old and no longer available in stores? :shrug: MOO

Here's the pics of the bookbag and lunchbag. Hannah Montana does not make the items above and if they did I'm certain LE would have pictures of the items. Now on Somers missing person flyer it says she had a backpack. LE has not sent out any pics of the backpack.
I don't know what to think about this discrepancy...other than LE found the backpack and if they found it where did they find it. Was it found at home/on the street. Did lil Somer carry a backpack, bookbag and lunchbag? I've not seen LE revise the initial information Re:the backpack and as you can see the below the items do not include a backpack.

http://www.examiner.com/x-23328-True-Crime-Examiner~y2009m11d8-Somer-Thompson-update-cops-release-sketches-victims-unrecovered-school-totes?cid=channel-rss-Society_and_Culture

[Rayosunshine]

Your welcome Acey :biggrin:

Kelloggirl...I wasn't saying she should go back to work. I was hoping her employer would have told her to take as much time as she needed. I know some people even get a paid bereavement leave. It's too bad she had to quit, but I'm sure she'll be able to find something else when she's ready/able to go back to work.

I agree with you about rearranging things, but I was thinking Somer's room would become more of a shire than anything. It just seems so soon to rearrange things. Perhaps she shared a bedroom with her sister and she was having a hard time dealing with Somer's bed being empty, which I can totally understand. Whatever the reason, I'm sure DT is doing what she feels is best for her and her children.

Koawally...Who knows? Everything keeps changing, like Somer's hair. First it was reported as being in a ponytail with a red ribbon and now it's pigtails with pink ribbons.

Moonlite... greetings :biggrin: and your welcome. I believe there is her twin brother, 10 old sister and 13 year old half brother.

VC2, thanks for explaining the lawyer being there...now that makes sense!

By the way, WLK is due back in court tomorrow.

Bereavement leave, that's a laugh. Where I have worked as an RN, you could have 1 day for a distant relative and 2 days for an immediate relative. Isn't that special!?

[Chica]

I really thought LE had some good evidence from the vacant house, but? nothing. It is depressing to see so many children go missing or murdered and LE is stumped. And then you have the mother who left her children alone to go shopping and 2 died in a fire. She hasn't even been charged. What is going on? We just had 2 murders in my city in 2 weeks, very unusual for this area and both perpetrators were arrested for 1st degree murder within 2 days. One, don't know how LE found him and the other was seen on video at a store next door to the scene. I just can't believe LE in this case and in Haleigh's are so cold. :crying:

[Chica]

ITA. A trust fund for the family is troubling.

From today's ABC interview, "I know that Samuel had lagged behind talking to a friend," Diena Thompson told "GMA." "And Abby and Somer were together and that -- I'm not sure what happened. Somer got teased a lot. ... She ran ahead, and Abby just figured she'd catch up with her. And when she got to the second crossing guard Somer wasn't there."


This has been nagging at me from the beginning. Why doesn't Diena (and investigators) know what happened between Abby and Somer? What did Abby say to her that would make her run off, and not just ahead to the next crossing guard? What is the visual between the point where the girls argued and the next crossing guard? How fast can a 7 yr. old run that she could disappear from sight in such a short period of time?

There has been so much said about Somer being teased a lot, but never any explanations as to why. A babysitter said that Somer had a pattern of 'running ahead' or 'running off' and that Diena had given her the phone numbers of various friends' parents if Somer didn't come home. How 'sensitive' a child was Somer? Was the teasing she endured relentless enough that she had a hiding place to escape? Or was she the kind of child that could dish it out and not take it?

I re-read many of the articles this morning and while the investigators' profile of the possible abductor is helpful, I can't help but think that a more complete profile of Somer is in order. Call it my sixth sense, but I just have this feeling that the children know more than what they are saying. Not that they're necessarily deliberately withholding information, but perhaps the right questions aren't being asked.

I was surprised when I heard Diena say she didn't know much about the squabble. I don't know, but I would have every word said and every step taken burned into my brain. Why are parents so lackadaisical when it comes to finding their children. Same with Chrystal, Haleigh's mother, doesn't know anything, never asked Misty anything. Go figure!

[cantstandnuts]

Ray; I worked as an RN for 10 years and devoted my life to trying to be the best nurse I could be but became so disillusioned by the downright nastiness of that profession. What an oxymoron that we are suppose to be compassionate and loving toward our fellow human beings in their suffering but yet when we look across the report table at another nurse we can be as cold as freezer burn.

Bereavement leave especially, it's almost as if we allow someone else to be 'weak' we are terrified we will become weak as well.

You are so right. There's the saying that "nurses eat their own" and it's absolutely true and I wonder what the heck it's about.

I never would have, as a nurse, been given "as much time as you need" to recover from something like this. I'd either take the 4 days bereavement and get right back to work or I wouldn't have a job.

I still work as a nurse, couldn't say no to the money it pays and if I focus on the patients, it feels better, but it is hard to coexist with some of the others, for sure!

[Chica]

You are so right. There's the saying that "nurses eat their own" and it's absolutely true and I wonder what the heck it's about.

I never would have, as a nurse, been given "as much time as you need" to recover from something like this. I'd either take the 4 days bereavement and get right back to work or I wouldn't have a job.

I still work as a nurse, couldn't say no to the money it pays and if I focus on the patients, it feels better, but it is hard to coexist with some of the others, for sure!

Is the mother a nurse? I am not a nurse, but when my son was killed, I did not return to work for 3 months and was paid.

[bugout]

you know what, I have always wondered if Somer fell or hit her head right there and the kids made a decision and put her body in one of the garbage bins.

We have no idea, how this child died, what the COD was and no record of any autopsy report. I'm not sure that I believe the search for a SO any more.

How could her mother not know every single word that was said during this fight; none of it really makes sense now that time has passed and we can look at this for what it is: We have no proof a SO took her. We have no proof of anything other than she was in the garbage and made it to the landfill.

How do we know that she didn't fall, hit her head on the side walk; kids thought she was dead and they put her in one of the cans? We just don't.

There are many things not adding up in this case. How disturbing it is also to see her mother; now with an Atty. I'm sorry; but there is no need for an Atty if you are telling the truth. Now all of a sudden is the mother a celebrity too? She has handlers now, and media appearances?

I'm very conflicted in how I feel about this case for now. We should have had answers and a suspect by now. I'm sure that she had a closed casket due to TOD and how long she was in the landfill. It may not have anything at ALL to do with how she died....

Bug :rose: :rose:

[koawally]

you know what, I have always wondered if Somer fell or hit her head right there and the kids made a decision and put her body in one of the garbage bins.

We have no idea, how this child died, what the COD was and no record of any autopsy report. I'm not sure that I believe the search for a SO any more.

How could her mother not know every single word that was said during this fight; none of it really makes sense now that time has passed and we can look at this for what it is: We have no proof a SO took her. We have no proof of anything other than she was in the garbage and made it to the landfill.

How do we know that she didn't fall, hit her head on the side walk; kids thought she was dead and they put her in one of the cans? We just don't.

There are many things not adding up in this case. How disturbing it is also to see her mother; now with an Atty. I'm sorry; but there is no need for an Atty if you are telling the truth. Now all of a sudden is the mother a celebrity too? She has handlers now, and media appearances?

I'm very conflicted in how I feel about this case for now. We should have had answers and a suspect by now. I'm sure that she had a closed casket due to TOD and how long she was in the landfill. It may not have anything at ALL to do with how she died....

Bug :rose: :rose:

According to the GMA interview the lawyer's name is: Michael R. Freed

He practices "entertainment law"

I'm just so heartbroken that so many make far to much money when a beautiful child goes missing!! I'm sick of it...the focus should always remain on the child and on finding her murderer

There's something very very wrong with a system that gives the public more details on where and when benefits are in, raising money "for the family" rather than accurate and updated information of a precious lil child who has been murdered.

No wonder this case is going cold:crying:

I'm praying for justice for lil Somer and all the other precious missing children. It's time in society that our missing children come first!!!

[cantstandnuts]

Is the mother a nurse? I am not a nurse, but when my son was killed, I did not return to work for 3 months and was paid.

I don't know if the mom is a nurse, I don't think so. I was talking about SnowWhite's experiences as a nurse. And mine.

I'm very sorry to hear about your son. No parent should ever have to endure that kind of pain, I hope you've come to a place of peace. I'm also very glad that you were able to get paid for 3 months out of work. There is no way in heck that would be me, I would have to use my own earned time and even then, they would not let me be out that long. But, I work for a very large company. Very impersonal, the big guys don't personally know me and business to them is just that. They don't allow the personal to interfere. I suppose they have to be that way with over 12K employees. Do you work for a small company?

[Chica]

I don't know if the mom is a nurse, I don't think so. I was talking about SnowWhite's experiences as a nurse. And mine.

I'm very sorry to hear about your son. No parent should ever have to endure that kind of pain, I hope you've come to a place of peace. I'm also very glad that you were able to get paid for 3 months out of work. There is no way in heck that would be me, I would have to use my own earned time and even then, they would not let me be out that long. But, I work for a very large company. Very impersonal, the big guys don't personally know me and business to them is just that. They don't allow the personal to interfere. I suppose they have to be that way with over 12K employees. Do you work for a small company?

No, At the time (12 yrs ago) I worked for Verizon. They were very good to me.

[bugout]

you guys I sure hope it doesn't apply in this case. They must not have any DNA in the case. I was hoping for more. They found her so quickly and I still cannot believe that no one has been arrested.

I don't want to believe something like that; but when people get scared they do all kinds of things to dispose of bodies. If a child gets scared who knows what they would do. It's a different society we live in and almost daily we are being shown that new rules apply. Things have changed.

I have to agree with the tunnel vision in this case seeking out SO only:
Unless they knew she was assaulted in this way, why would they look so hard at SO? Did they have tunnel vision? Do they still; or do they have a suspect in their site?

[aproudmom]

4 Somer :rose:

[just42day97]

I think the fact that her mother was not permitted to view the body tells me that he body as in terrible condition..not just a hit on the head. IMO

I agree ....not sure why this Mom does not know what all went on..I would have interrigated everyone until I knew every word of the conversation and everybodies actions at the time. Again..MOO

I agree that little Somer's body must have not been in very good condtion due to her Mom not being able to veiw her...But I think that maybe it's because if she was in a garbage truck then when that truck compacks the garbage, that is how Somer's body got most of the damage. I know that sounds horrible, but I know they have to compack ever so often to fit all the waste on the truck...IMO...

[Riverwalk!]

Here's some NEW info.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/21598516/detail.html

Sheriff Rick Beseler answered questions Thursday about what evidence has been found three weeks into the investigation.

Beseler said some forensic evidence is back from the lab, but he won't say what it is.

Beseler did not release any information on whether investigators have tracked down the Dumpster where Somer's body was originally placed.
As for the home on Gano Avenue that investigators searched, Beseler would not say if the crime took place there, but he did say it has not been ruled out.

More at link and
video http://www.news4jax.com/video/21599954/index.html

[n/t]

I find it very unusual that they're not releasing much about this case. Maybe they have their reasons but it's so unlike what we're used to.

[moonlite]

Here's some NEW info.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/21598516/detail.html

Sheriff Rick Beseler answered questions Thursday about what evidence has been found three weeks into the investigation.

Beseler said some forensic evidence is back from the lab, but he won't say what it is.

Beseler did not release any information on whether investigators have tracked down the Dumpster where Somer's body was originally placed.
As for the home on Gano Avenue that investigators searched, Beseler would not say if the crime took place there, but he did say it has not been ruled out.

More at link and
video http://www.news4jax.com/video/21599954/index.html

Greetings'
Riverwalk"

Thanks for the link. Hopefully the LE have enough evidence to arrest someone. This perp needs to be caught before another child is harmed.

Hoping Somer gets justice!!

Moonlite

[Riverwalk!]

Greetings'
Riverwalk"

Thanks for the link. Hopefully the LE have enough evidence to arrest someone. This perp needs to be caught before another child is harmed.

Hoping Somer gets justice!!

Moonlite

I hope so too. For some odd reason I have such faith in Sheriff Beseler.

[Riverwalk!]

Interesting. The uncut video of Diena is now released. She's treading a fine line to not say what she knows. Note when she turns (to her attorney???) to question "can I say that".

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=148037&catid=3
:crying:

[Riverwalk!]

Somer's case, with Diena's attorney, is on the last segment of JVM NOW.

[PolyGraph]

Im not sure what LE Is found, depending on what the body showed they could be looking for an SO but I cant help thinking it is some kind of sex trafficking, due to the fact that a little five year old girl was almost kidnapped just days before by '3' people and the fact that SO many children go missing out of florida and places near water ways, makes me think they are taken by boat somewhere. The only thing is why take her to just kill her that would make no sense either. I am praying for justice in Somer's case and hope that the killer gets what's coming to him!!!

Praying for Justice,

Poly

[bugout]

I think the fact that her mother was not permitted to view the body tells me that he body as in terrible condition..not just a hit on the head. IMO

I agree ....not sure why this Mom does not know what aall went on..I would have interrigated everyone until I knew every word of the conversation and everybodies actions at the time. Again..MOO

Hugs Angel and you know; yes I agree she was in terrible condition. Thank you all for not jumping all over me for my thoughts, as this is a nagging feeling I've had in this case. I agree with others, why the focus on local SO but then again why doesn't her mother know more of what happened during this scuffle with the children as so many of you ask?

I don't want to appear to disparage her in any way. But what could have happened, how did they lose sight of her and then like that she was gone? I guess the timeline must be a little off, has to more than she just ran ahead of them all. This is going to haunt her siblings.

Most of us know what it's like for our sibling to come to our aide when we are young. I think her twin is going to have a very difficult time.
I hope they are in counseling to deal and cope with this tragedy. There isnt a day that goes by that I don't think of this case.

I guess I just thought they would have solved this by now. I have no patience this is true and I hope they have tons of evidence we know nothing about.
They must, they just must.!!!

Bug

[Leanne Weich]

Hugs Angel and you know; yes I agree she was in terrible condition. Thank you all for not jumping all over me for my thoughts, as this is a nagging feeling I've had in this case. I agree with others, why the focus on local SO but then again why doesn't her mother know more of what happened during this scuffle with the children as so many of you ask?

I don't want to appear to disparage her in any way. But what could have happened, how did they lose sight of her and then like that she was gone? I guess the timeline must be a little off, has to more than she just ran ahead of them all. This is going to haunt her siblings.

Most of us know what it's like for our sibling to come to our aide when we are young. I think her twin is going to have a very difficult time.
I hope they are in counseling to deal and cope with this tragedy. There isnt a day that goes by that I don't think of this case.

I guess I just thought they would have solved this by now. I have no patience this is true and I hope they have tons of evidence we know nothing about.
They must, they just must.!!!

Bug

I think it's possible the fight was an ugly one and LE have probably determined there's no correlation between the fight and Somer's disappearance. Mom is probably not going to put details out there for people to disparage her kids. I'm sure she does know exactly what happened and is just being a momma bear. JMHO.

[Riverwalk!]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0911/12/ijvm.01.html

From JVM show last night

all the way down towards the bottom:

Back to my fantastic panel: also joining me Diena Thompson`s attorney, Michael Freed.

Michael, thank you so much for joining us. I know that you`re helping this family that is suffering so much and helping to find the killer, as well. What`s the latest on the investigation?

I mean, we`ve been hearing about those construction workers who were at the abandoned house where Somer was last seen. What do you know?

MICHAEL FREED, ATTORNEY FOR DIENA THOMPSON: We know they`re making progress. For obvious reasons, there`s not a lot of detail that`s being offered and that`s painful for Diena and her family but we respect that the Clay County Sheriff`s Office is doing a great job than they need to keep that information close to the vest.

We do know that they`re looking at scientific evidence at this point and sending various information to the labs. And they have not identified, as we understand it, any suspects or even people of interest, but we know that there`s people that they`re looking at and there`s evidence they`re looking at to try to tie some of those people to this horrible crime.

[moonlite]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0911/12/ijvm.01.html

From JVM show last night

all the way down towards the bottom:

Back to my fantastic panel: also joining me Diena Thompson`s attorney, Michael Freed.

Michael, thank you so much for joining us. I know that you`re helping this family that is suffering so much and helping to find the killer, as well. What`s the latest on the investigation?

I mean, we`ve been hearing about those construction workers who were at the abandoned house where Somer was last seen. What do you know?

MICHAEL FREED, ATTORNEY FOR DIENA THOMPSON: We know they`re making progress. For obvious reasons, there`s not a lot of detail that`s being offered and that`s painful for Diena and her family but we respect that the Clay County Sheriff`s Office is doing a great job than they need to keep that information close to the vest.

We do know that they`re looking at scientific evidence at this point and sending various information to the labs. And they have not identified, as we understand it, any suspects or even people of interest, but we know that there`s people that they`re looking at and there`s evidence they`re looking at to try to tie some of those people to this horrible crime.

Greetings"
Riverwalk"

Hopefully' the police will catch this perp!! I'm wondering why LE have not said if they think Somer's case maybe linked to the other missing kids cases? I'm also wondering why JW, from AMW would think that they are connected?

Hoping Somer gets justice!!

Moonlite

[phylcore]

No posting today?

[omsk99]

No posting today?

Nothing new to post :sad: I hope this doesn't go cold...

[cantstandnuts]

This is very sad. They found her little body so quickly and yet, have nothing else to report. I hope it's not going cold, but the pessimist in me says...Ugh.

[Riverwalk!]

I have found some "interesting" information. I have been "pondering" the information for a while.

*****DISCLAIMER *********
NOT ACCUSING ANYONE

^^^ read that again. Things that make me go "hummmmmm"????

OK? Sean Patton (the one time babysitter that was at the home when Somer went missing) has links (marriage, divorce, deeds, mortgages, etc) to Glen St. Mary, Florida (Baker County). Also in Duval County, Fl. WIFE was Deborah Jo Huguley.

Charles PERRY Currier (the current live-in boyfriend of Diena) has links to Glen St. Mary, Florida. Lots of info on him and some woman that he seemed to have a child with???? (Emma M. Martin)

Glen St. Mary (Baker County) is a town of less than 500 people. The ONLY other time I ever heard of that town was in Haleigh Cummings case. Marie Griffis and Crystal Sheffield, et. al. live in Glen St. Mary, Florida. One of the names connected to Haleigh is SAPP. That's Lindsy Croslin's maiden name. Deborah Jo Huguley (see above married to Sean Patton) had a lien filed against her by Ronnie SAPP.

Is that odd or what? I have the links if anyone is interested or you can look stuff up yourself (see below).

Here's Somer's Police Report. Has the birth dates of the peeps.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/21469864/Somer-Thompson-Police-Report
(not the pdf, but good enough)

http://208.75.175.18/oncoreweb/Search.aspx
A way to search = enter the name(s)

http://www.duvalclerk.com/oncoreweb/Search.aspx

Lord, I just re-read what I posted. I truly am not a NUT or some conspiracist. Promise. I did share the above with a fellow poster here a while back. She does NOT think I'm a NUT. LOL>

[Riverwalk!]

Riverwalk!
That is some explanation, lol and really, all scenarios should be evaluated and considered, IMHO.

I'm afraid this case is c o l d.:sad: Look how many weeks have passed since adorable Somer was found dead. I still say- IMO- LE hasn't a clue who killed this child.

I tried, I tried to explain some things and Lord am I wordy or what? Or a NUT? Either/or is okay. In between Somer and the breaking news about Shaniya, I'm so sad.

I pray you are wrong about this case being C O L D. I'm keeping the faith but I am getting a little wobbly.

[moonlite]

Greetings"

I'm just checking in to see if there has been any updates!! I really hope the child killer gets caught.

Hoping Somer gets justice!!

Moonlite

[Breazy]

I keep praying that Somer and those that love her get some kind of justice with an arrest. Please God let this perp be discovered!!!!

[Ladygator]

Wishing for an arrest in this case. Somer and family deserve justice. A killer is out there, somewhere! :rose:

[Ice Cycle]

I have found some "interesting" information. I have been "pondering" the information for a while.

*****DISCLAIMER *********
NOT ACCUSING ANYONE

^^^ read that again. Things that make me go "hummmmmm"????

OK? Sean Patton (the one time babysitter that was at the home when Somer went missing) has links (marriage, divorce, deeds, mortgages, etc) to Glen St. Mary, Florida (Baker County). Also in Duval County, Fl. WIFE was Deborah Jo Huguley.

Charles PERRY Currier (the current live-in boyfriend of Diena) has links to Glen St. Mary, Florida. Lots of info on him and some woman that he seemed to have a child with???? (Emma M. Martin)

Glen St. Mary (Baker County) is a town of less than 500 people. The ONLY other time I ever heard of that town was in Haleigh Cummings case. Marie Griffis and Crystal Sheffield, et. al. live in Glen St. Mary, Florida. One of the names connected to Haleigh is SAPP. That's Lindsy Croslin's maiden name. Deborah Jo Huguley (see above married to Sean Patton) had a lien filed against her by Ronnie SAPP.

Is that odd or what? I have the links if anyone is interested or you can look stuff up yourself (see below).

Here's Somer's Police Report. Has the birth dates of the peeps.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/21469864/Somer-Thompson-Police-Report
(not the pdf, but good enough)

http://208.75.175.18/oncoreweb/Search.aspx
A way to search = enter the name(s)

http://www.duvalclerk.com/oncoreweb/Search.aspx

Lord, I just re-read what I posted. I truly am not a NUT or some conspiracist. Promise. I did share the above with a fellow poster here a while back. She does NOT think I'm a NUT. LOL>

That is some detective work. So Sean Patton might have some connection with Misty and her family, and if this case wasn't sad enough. Lets hope their drama hasn't spilled over to other cases, I don't think I could take that.

[jljayne]

<snip>

LE have probably determined there's no correlation between the fight and Somer's disappearance

<snip>

Have LE definitely ruled out the correlation? If not, they might want to determine who participated in the fight and use dogs to sniff out the homes, clothing, bags, and backpacks of those persons, to see whether the scent matches that on Somer's body.

[kelloggirl]

So here's something weird and possibly interesting. In my Google News, I have it pull stories on Somer. This morning, the top story was from the Philadelphia Examiner, and has the following headline:

"Somer Thompson: police question registered sexual offender who worked at Gano house seize truck trailer
Vinson is a Florida registered sex offender who previously worked on renovating the Gano Avenue, Orange Park house, where witnesses last saw Somer Thompson ..."

It even has a picture of the guy. However, when I try to click through to the story, I just get an error saying the story will be published in 5 minutes and to check back, but it's been like that all day. Anyone else experience this?

Here is a link (that doesn't work, at least not for me!): http://www.examiner.com/x-23328-True-Crime-Examiner~y2009m11d16-Somer-Thompson-police-question-sex-offender-who-worked-at-Gano-house-seize-truck-trailer

I hope this isn't false hope, and this really is a break in Somer's case!

[Chica]

So here's something weird and possibly interesting. In my Google News, I have it pull stories on Somer. This morning, the top story was from the Philadelphia Examiner, and has the following headline:

"Somer Thompson: police question registered sexual offender who worked at Gano house seize truck trailer
Vinson is a Florida registered sex offender who previously worked on renovating the Gano Avenue, Orange Park house, where witnesses last saw Somer Thompson ..."

It even has a picture of the guy. However, when I try to click through to the story, I just get an error saying the story will be published in 5 minutes and to check back, but it's been like that all day. Anyone else experience this?

Here is a link (that doesn't work, at least not for me!): http://www.examiner.com/x-23328-True-Crime-Examiner~y2009m11d16-Somer-Thompson-police-question-sex-offender-who-worked-at-Gano-house-seize-truck-trailer

I hope this isn't false hope, and this really is a break in Somer's case!

Interesting. The article if poof=gone...Vinson is this guys name SO. If you google your bolded it shows his picture, but all articles are gone. Also listed in FL sex Registy. Good Work !

[Chica]

Interesting. The article if poof=gone...Vinson is this guys name SO. If you google your bolded it shows his picture, but all articles are gone. Also listed in FL sex Registy. Good Work !


I found the article in cached

http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:eJ-18wlqXoEJ:www.examiner.com/x-23328-True-Crime-Examiner~y2009m11d16-Somer-Thompson-police-question-sex-offender-who-worked-at-Gano-house-seize-truck-trailer+Somer+Thompson:+police+question+registered +sexual+offender+who+worked+at+Gano+house+seize+tr uck+trailer&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

[Chica]

I found the article in cached

http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:eJ-18wlqXoEJ:www.examiner.com/x-23328-True-Crime-Examiner~y2009m11d16-Somer-Thompson-police-question-sex-offender-who-worked-at-Gano-house-seize-truck-trailer+Somer+Thompson:+police+question+registered +sexual+offender+who+worked+at+Gano+house+seize+tr uck+trailer&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

According to the article he was questioned on Friday 11/13 and his truck was impounded..

[Justice4all]

I'm so ready for them to make an arrest so Somer can have justice and the rest of the community can feel safe again.

[moonlite]

According to the article he was questioned on Friday 11/13 and his truck was impounded..

Greetings"
Chica'

Thanks for the link and update. If this POI is Somer's killer, I hope the LE have enough evidence to nail him.

Hoping Somer gets justice!!

Moonlite

[kelloggirl]

I found the article in cached

http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:eJ-18wlqXoEJ:www.examiner.com/x-23328-True-Crime-Examiner~y2009m11d16-Somer-Thompson-police-question-sex-offender-who-worked-at-Gano-house-seize-truck-trailer+Somer+Thompson:+police+question+registered +sexual+offender+who+worked+at+Gano+house+seize+tr uck+trailer&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Ooh, thanks for finding that! The plot thickens! I wonder if LE asked them to pull the article? Or it's just a weird glitch. Hmmm...hope something breaks soon!

[bugout]

Surely you jest! Young kids doing such a thing? Have you EVER heard of kids or adults doing such??????????????????????:rolleyes:

Sorry speaka de english, lol don't know what you are talking about:laugh:

[bugout]

I'm so sad this is still an unsolved murder. Rest in peace Somer. Praying your murderer will be arrested soon.

every day you know I hope to hear something, I do not understand what the hold up is in this case. We can hope that LE does have Dna, and other trace evidence that will prove exactly who killed her, and why.

It's the y's that must be so horrific for her family & friends. To have these child cases going cold really say's a lot about our state of LE.

With all the knowledge we have we still cannot pin somone down, not even a perp like OSBL! Because some of us do read about true crime cases, some get to the point where you start ticking these cases off one by one, unsolved, unsolved, unsolved...a childs killing should never go unsolved. I have to remind myself how slowly the wheels of "justice" turn.
RiverWalk that is really interesting info you pulled. HC's case is another, where I am dumbfounded that LE has not charged who can be the only perp in that case! Dumbfounded! But I truly hope both are solved and soon.
Bug :rose:

[Acey]

Riverwalk - thanks for the interesting information.


Hopefully there will be arrest soon.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5706428.php (http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5706428.php)
(snipped)
Justino said, "Investigators have now received 4,200 leads and detective teams continue working to follow up on all remaining workable tips. We remain hopeful that evidence being processed now at the lab will provide more streamlined direction for our investigators and will help us focus more accurately on a suspect." She added, "The processing of such evidence is time-consuming, but is very important to the long-term success of this investigation and cannot be rushed."

"Waiting on lab results is part of this process," said Sheriff Rick Beseler. "The results can take weeks to return and cannot be rushed or hurried because this is information that will point us in the right direction and tell us where to go."

[Riverwalk!]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/19/earlyshow/main5708139.shtml?tag=cbsnewsTwoColUpperPromoArea

Diena's lawyer, Michael Freed, hinted at progress in the police probe, telling Rodriguez he's "optimistic," based on "the information (authorities have) provided (to him) that they have the person who did this under observation, maybe among other people. They're waiting for certain scientific evidence to come back from certain unique labs around the country. They're putting great resources in to this, and this is really the perfect time for anyone that knows who did this or for the person that did this to help heal the wound that he's caused, not only of this family and the community, but, in fact, the nation. So I think that's just a matter of time before this is resolved and justice is done."

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5708192n&tag=related;photovideo
Diena and her attorney on Early Show

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5708233n&tag=related;photovideo
Recap of case on Early Show

[moonlite]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/19/earlyshow/main5708139.shtml?tag=cbsnewsTwoColUpperPromoArea

Diena's lawyer, Michael Freed, hinted at progress in the police probe, telling Rodriguez he's "optimistic," based on "the information (authorities have) provided (to him) that they have the person who did this under observation, maybe among other people. They're waiting for certain scientific evidence to come back from certain unique labs around the country. They're putting great resources in to this, and this is really the perfect time for anyone that knows who did this or for the person that did this to help heal the wound that he's caused, not only of this family and the community, but, in fact, the nation. So I think that's just a matter of time before this is resolved and justice is done."

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5708192n&tag=related;photovideo
Diena and her attorney on Early Show

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5708233n&tag=related;photovideo
Recap of case on Early Show

Greetings'
Riverwalk"

Thank you for the links. I hope Deina's attorney is right and they have the perp under observation. Because as long as this perp is on the loose, every child is at risk.IMO I'm wondering if this could be a copy cat type person or a relative of a serial child murder? I mean' JW' from AMW' did say he thought other cases of missing children could be connected. Maybe the perp knows stuff about the other cases decided to act and confuse the LE? Ok' I know this might be a far fetched idea!!

Moonlite

[Chica]

I know this is a blog, but it was an interesting read:

http://ksmfcj.wordpress.com/2009/11/19/h5a-hrefhttpmurphymilanojournalblogspotcom200911orange countyfloridacommunityremainshtmlorange-county-florida-community-remains-dangerah5pa-hrefhttp4bpblogspotcom_dxhgbxk7zyswi6fxhu1ciaaaaaa aabfejnmhra/

[Riverwalk!]

http://www.wral.com/news/video/6459729/

Deputies: Man Offered Girl Ride Home
Elementary School Principal Sends Out Letter To Parents In Orange Park
POSTED: Thursday, November 19, 2009
UPDATED: 10:27 pm EST November 19, 2009


ORANGE PARK, Fla. -- The principal of W.E. Cherry Elementary School in Orange Park sent out a letter to parents Thursday after a report of a man in a car offering a girl a ride home Wednesday afternoon.
Clay County sheriff's deputies said the 10-year-old girl ran home and told her mother.
They said the man in the car followed the girl near The Park at Blanding Apartments, just a few blocks from where 7-year-old Somer Thompson disappeared last month before she was found killed days later.

[Riverwalk!]

http://jacksonville.com/community/my_clay_sun/2009-11-19/story/clay_girl_refuses_coaxing_to_ride_with_a_stranger

Clay girl refuses coaxing to ride with a stranger
Investigators search for loud Honda
BY DANA TREENSTORY UPDATED AT 5:43 PM ON THURSDAY, NOV. 19, 2009

Clay County authorities are searching for an older, faded gray Honda with a loud muffler after a girl said the driver asked her if she needed a ride then followed her through an apartment complex parking lot.

The girl's mother said her daughter went to collect the mail at the Park at Blanding Apartments in the 200 block of Blairmore Boulevard Wednesday when a male in a car asked her if she wanted a ride.

She said no and started to walk away, according to a Clay County Sheriff's Office report. She told investigators the vehicle started to follow her before speeding out of the parking lot.

[moonlite]

http://www.wral.com/news/video/6459729/

Deputies: Man Offered Girl Ride Home
Elementary School Principal Sends Out Letter To Parents In Orange Park
POSTED: Thursday, November 19, 2009
UPDATED: 10:27 pm EST November 19, 2009


ORANGE PARK, Fla. -- The principal of W.E. Cherry Elementary School in Orange Park sent out a letter to parents Thursday after a report of a man in a car offering a girl a ride home Wednesday afternoon.
Clay County sheriff's deputies said the 10-year-old girl ran home and told her mother.
They said the man in the car followed the girl near The Park at Blanding Apartments, just a few blocks from where 7-year-old Somer Thompson disappeared last month before she was found killed days later.

Greetings"
Riverwalk"

I hope this catch this perp!! I'm very glad the young girl got away and is safe. Did the LE give a description of the guy?

Moonlite

[Rayosunshine]

Has COD been released on Somer yet?

[Riverwalk!]

Greetings"
Riverwalk"

I hope this catch this perp!! I'm very glad the young girl got away and is safe. Did the LE give a description of the guy?

Moonlite

Hi

Nothing more on that story. Weird.

[Riverwalk!]

Has COD been released on Somer yet?

Not yet.......

[Justice4all]

Has COD been released on Somer yet?

Nope and no arrest :sad:

[bugout]

I guess I am feeling that if they released COD in this case the public speculation would not be so great.
Maybe I want to read the COD so I can see for myself, did she die of a fall? Was there abuse, strangling, a clear case of homicidal intent?

I just don't understand why it is taking so long for results in this case, especially if she was attacked as her mother insinuated. When LE goes silent for me; it gives me cause for pause and I have pause for cause in this case.

How did she die? What did the ME uncover? Is there No COD? If so release the info; not all but at least some. Is the public in danger?
Well of course I believe you always are, no matter who you are......
And live as such. I feel awful that this case has not been resolved.

Is it such a good idea for LE to waste precious resources and time, investigating ALL SO in the area? When have we ever seen this result in an arrest? It didn't even happen in Couey's sick case.

:rose: :rose:
Bug

[Riverwalk!]

http://www.wesh.com/news/21709759/detail.html

ORANGE PARK, Fla. -- The reward for information leading to an arrest and conviction in the case of a slain Orange Park girl whose body was found in a Georgia landfill has risen to $64,000.
Two nonprofit organizations, the Jacksonville-based Justice Coalition and CrimeStoppers, are offering rewards of $48,000 and $16,000, respectively, for information in the homicide of Somer Thompson.

[Marrigan]

This is crazy!! A $64,000 reward and no solid clues!
I have racked my brain and, for the life of me, Somer's abduction makes absolutely no sense.
How can there be NO evidence? No eyewitnesses? No one heard anything?

[moonlite]

I guess I am feeling that if they released COD in this case the public speculation would not be so great.
Maybe I want to read the COD so I can see for myself, did she die of a fall? Was there abuse, strangling, a clear case of homicidal intent?

I just don't understand why it is taking so long for results in this case, especially if she was attacked as her mother insinuated. When LE goes silent for me; it gives me cause for pause and I have pause for cause in this case.

How did she die? What did the ME uncover? Is there No COD? If so release the info; not all but at least some. Is the public in danger?
Well of course I believe you always are, no matter who you are......
And live as such. I feel awful that this case has not been resolved.

Is it such a good idea for LE to waste precious resources and time, investigating ALL SO in the area? When have we ever seen this result in an arrest? It didn't even happen in Couey's sick case.

:rose: :rose:
Bug

Greetings'
Bugout"

What are your thoughts cause for pause as you stated? Maybe the LE not releasing COD because the perp is still on the loose?

Moonlite

[moonlite]

This is crazy!! A $64,000 reward and no solid clues!
I have racked my brain and, for the life of me, Somer's abduction makes absolutely no sense.
How can there be NO evidence? No eyewitnesses? No one heard anything?

Greetings'
Marrigan"

Maybe the LE do have a POI? I mean there is that guy that worked at burned down house. I don't think the LE have eliminated him. Does anyone know his back ground? What about LE impounding his car wasn't that last week?

Moonlite

[moonlite]

http://www.wesh.com/news/21709759/detail.html

ORANGE PARK, Fla. -- The reward for information leading to an arrest and conviction in the case of a slain Orange Park girl whose body was found in a Georgia landfill has risen to $64,000.
Two nonprofit organizations, the Jacksonville-based Justice Coalition and CrimeStoppers, are offering rewards of $48,000 and $16,000, respectively, for information in the homicide of Somer Thompson.

Greetings'
Riverwalk"

Thank you for the update!! Have you heard anything more of the impounded car?

Moonlite

[2Hope4]

:sad: Where is Somer's killer? I truly hope and pray the LE have lots more than they are releasing, and that they DO have someone in their sights. Perhaps waiting on the DNA to come back to nail them? Waiting for them to do something else illegal so they can get them? I don't know. Just worried... too hard to think about. That poor family having to deal with the loss of such a young gal. And yet, even with a large reward for info, we're still at a stand still. I often see people post that the family needs to get the reward up higher....doesn't seem like that helps. Does anyone know of a crime that was solved due to the reward? Off hand, I can't think of any. Makes me think the perp must have been solo. Typically SOMEONE talks.... ugh.... :crying:

[just42day97]

I can't believe this case is still unsolved. Someone surely knows something.
Thanksgiving is tomorrow, I feel badly for Somer's family. :sad:

Oh I feel badly for them too..
I can relate somewhat..My 16 year old niece got killed just a couple of months ago in a wreak. This will be our families first Thanksgiving and Christmas without her. She didnt die such a horrible death as Somer, but it was still tragic and very unexpected.
I am also surprised that someone has not been arrested for Somer's murder. LE was so on top of things finding her. And now just nothing...I just pray that the person that did this is caught!

[Elyssa]

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m11d27-Somer-Thompson-case-Reward-for-slain-girl-increased-to-64000

aproudmom posted this link on the links thread. Gave me reassurance that LE is actively working this case. I pray Somer's murderer is found and brought to justice soon.

[girlspell]

Everyone hopes this will not end up a very cold case. :angry:

[bugout]

Good Work on the last thread; I hope that this is the perp they are looking for. They impounded two vehicles! So they must be onto something.

Does any one have info on this guys previous crimes? What is his MO; and is it similar to what happened to little Somer?

It's good to know this is NOT a cold case. Not at all. The circumstances in this case are so random. Somer was somewhere she wasn't supposed to be. What kind of person preys on little kids like that? If this guy was working at the burned out house and he has a previous record of SO then I want to know everything there is to know about him. Period end of story.

No sun shining on this case. YET. I guess that I would hope for more info being released in the case. I still want to know COD. MOD COD and what DNA evidence is being tested? I'm sure they now are working on all vaccuuming evidence from this guys two vehicles.
That will take some time, a few weeks have passed now. I'm hoping they find something, a hair.....evidence of her being in his possession at some point.

If not; then I hope they release all the info; cod mod and LE does some kind of update. I think they should, and plea for anyone to come forward if they think their SO (significant other) is acting out of order, strangely or was in the vicinity the day she died. Someone knows something.
Bug :rose:

Bug

[aproudmom]

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m11d27-Somer-Thompson-case-Reward-for-slain-girl-increased-to-64000

aproudmom posted this link on the links thread. Gave me reassurance that LE is actively working this case. I pray Somer's murderer is found and brought to justice soon.

I pray it gets someone talking I think of Somer often and so sad they do not have the person that did this. I guess finding her so soon gave me hope. BUT I wont give up that JUSTICE will be served.:angry:

[Riverwalk!]

Neighborhood haunted by Somer Thompson's death
Community's sense of security "shattered" in the aftermath of death.

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-12-01/story/neighborhood_haunted_by_somer_thompsons_death

Investigators have plowed through 4,300 tips since Somer disappeared Oct. 19, but little progress has been reported. They hold out hope that lab results from evidence taken off her body at a Georgia landfill will offer some clue to her killer.

Several videos on the left hand side to watch.

[Justice4all]

I just can't believe there hasn't been an arrest yet.


For Somer, her family and friends :rose:

[moonlite]

Everyone hopes this will not end up a very cold case. :angry:

Greetings"
Girlspell"

I hope Somer's case doesn't go cold!! Sheesh' I can only imagine what Somer's community is feeling, along with her family. I mean I know when J.Duncan did his carnage here in Idaho, it was like a dark cloud hanging over the community. I think allot of people breathed a sigh of relief when he was apprehended. I'm just wondering if there might be a connection to the other cases JW' mentioned from AMW?

Moonlite

[moonlite]

Neighborhood haunted by Somer Thompson's death
Community's sense of security "shattered" in the aftermath of death.

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-12-01/story/neighborhood_haunted_by_somer_thompsons_death

Investigators have plowed through 4,300 tips since Somer disappeared Oct. 19, but little progress has been reported. They hold out hope that lab results from evidence taken off her body at a Georgia landfill will offer some clue to her killer.

Several videos on the left hand side to watch.

Greetings'
Riverwalk"

Thanks for the link. I can relate to the communities sense of security being shaken. Somer's murder needs to be found before he/she hurts another child.

Hoping Little Somer gets justice.

Moonlite

[tootie]

I just can't believe there hasn't been an arrest yet.


For Somer, her family and friends :rose:

ITA! Justice for Somer. :rose:

[Chica]

Greetings'
Riverwalk"

Thanks for the link. I can relate to the communities sense of security being shaken. Somer's murder needs to be found before he/she hurts another child.

Hoping Little Somer gets justice.

Moonlite

Really !! This community must be living in total fear. And LE has not even released any information about her cause or manner of death.

[kelloggirl]

It is beyond discouraging that after the rapid discovery of Somer's body, there has been absolutely nothing else. I hope the case is not cold, and the holdup is really the processing of all the evidence. I know many of our country's labs are backed up, but you would think that given the likelihood that a murdering child predator is free to strike again, that processing this evidence would be of highest prioirity. Of course, there is the possibility that it has been processed and nothing has come out of it, which is even more depressing.

[moonlite]

Greetings"
Girlspell"

I hope Somer's case doesn't go cold!! Sheesh' I can only imagine what Somer's community is feeling, along with her family. I mean I know when J.Duncan did his carnage here in Idaho, it was like a dark cloud hanging over the community. I think allot of people breathed a sigh of relief when he was apprehended. I'm just wondering if there might be a connection to the other cases JW' mentioned from AMW?

Moonlite

Greetings'

I'm sorry for quoting myself. But this is per Coldwater's request that I provide a link to what I'm talking about J. Duncan case.

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/sections/duncan/?ID=258055