10/30 thru 11/1

[Texas48]

HaLeigh Ann-Marie Cummings....:wub:
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=HAMC


Video and Article..Last Update: 10/29 5:45 pm ...The search for Haleigh Cummings

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/The-search-for-Haleigh-Cummings/DBnR5p00YEyVxwGMBu1lIg.cspx

[TobyWong]

Good Morning All! Thanks for the new thread. That article was disappointing but I am thankful for Haleighs name to be out there. I'm just going to stick with my thoughts that misty is the key and that she was fully awake all night. If she had help it was from one of her brothers IMO and that will stay with them forever. I think misty put Haleighs body in the dumpster (outta sight) then called a brother and he took the body eleswhere while misty cleaned up, that's why she can be so confident that she does'nt know where Haleigh is. Right now I'd love for LE to just tell us what they know about the blanket that was w/ them in the van, as misty said. We have'nt heard of the kids going anywhere that night so where did that slip up come from?
I am still appalled at misty's lack of emotion in Haleighs 911 as opposed to the last one she made when she was robbed. JMO

[FrankieBones1]

Good Morning, all. The video clip about dangers in searching that area is very disheartening.

[Texas48]

Good Morning, all. The video clip about dangers in searching that area is very disheartening.
Thats pretty much what I took away from the article/video Franki....In your opinion..do you think/have a feeling HaLeigh's case is going cold..?

[MagicPool]

Good Morning, all. The video clip about dangers in searching that area is very disheartening.

Seeing how thick all the vegetation is, does it ever really die off down there? I know up here first the leaves would fall making it even harder to see anything on the ground. Not to mention the snow that would follow. I can't imagine they could ever really do a complete search unless they cleared the land......and that would make it impossible to see if the ground had been turned up to bury someone, not to mention what those heavy machines would do to a little body that was buried.

JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

:rose: Prayers continue for the whole family and hopes for someone with accurate information to come forth. Help bring HaLeigh home. :wub:

[EMAA]

Seeing how thick all the vegetation is, does it ever really die off down there? I know up here first the leaves would fall making it even harder to see anything on the ground. Not to mention the snow that would follow. I can't imagine they could ever really do a complete search unless they cleared the land......and that would make it impossible to see if the ground had been turned up to bury someone, not to mention what those heavy machines would do to a little body that was buried.

JMO

It winds up being just old dead palmetto leaves laying on top of older palmetto branches, stinky and mushy. Lots of snakes and vermin. Palmetto bushes are thick sharp and pointy, making for difficult visuals.

[MagicPool]

It winds up being just old dead palmetto leaves laying on top of older palmetto branches, stinky and mushy. Lots of snakes and vermin. Palmetto bushes are thick sharp and pointy, making for difficult visuals.

Thanks! Hearing that, wouldn't LE have noticed if anyone within either "camp" had scratches and scrapes from being out there? Wouldn't that stuff tear through clothing? If so, weren't a pair of Misty's jeans in the trash torn??

JMO

[4Kids]

Unfortunately, based on recent news, I think Haleigh's case is cold. If nothing happens soon, ie Haleigh being found; a tip pays off; her case will go under the radar. All of the clowns will go home, the bloggers will blog about someone else, and the people that love and miss this child will continue trudging through their lives as best they can.

I don't think LE was holding anything close to the vest; I don't think an arrest was ever imminent. I think LE are no further today than they were on day one. I think they were telling the truth when they said that and that truth stands today.

Was this someone in family? If so, they are VERY good about keeping a secret. Was this a OD at a party? If so, and such affadvits were signed saying as much...where are the arrests for the crime? Was this an accident that was covered up? Where are the foresnics? Does Misty hold the key? If so, LE is simply basing that on theory. Otherwise they would formally take her in for questioning regarding lies and evidence to support the fact that she lied.

What happened to this case? What happened to Haleigh Cummings? IMO

[4Kids]

Although this post is from another area of IS board, it is indeed (in my mind) relevant to Haleigh's case. LE in Somers case indicated that the perp may have comitted the crime before. Hmmmmm.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=13600280&postcount=465

IMO IMO IMO

[EMAA]

Thanks! Hearing that, wouldn't LE have noticed if anyone within either "camp" had scratches and scrapes from being out there? Wouldn't that stuff tear through clothing? If so, weren't a pair of Misty's jeans in the trash torn??

JMO

Maybe I need to clarify pointy, they are not like cactus pointy or sharp, but indeed can leave scratches.

http://www.sfrc.ufl.edu/4h/Saw_palmetto/sawpalme.htm

[MagicPool]

Maybe I need to clarify pointy, they are not like cactus pointy or sharp, but indeed can leave scratches.

http://www.sfrc.ufl.edu/4h/Saw_palmetto/sawpalme.htm

Thanks EMAA. I was thinking of another plant that has sharp leaves and needles. On one of the Sunday blogtalk radio shows, a panalist (may have been Cobra..and I know he's not exactly the most accurate) said that there were several trash cans at the MH and that they weren't emptied for several weeks/months after RC had moved out. Wonder why LE didn't take the torn jeans from the trash and test them for SOMETHING....ANYTHING! I guess I grasping at straws here. There has to be a clue somewhere the LE missed....anything to find HaLeigh and bring her home!

JMO

[4Kids]

Thanks EMAA. I was thinking of another plant that has sharp leaves and needles. On one of the Sunday blogtalk radio shows, a panalist (may have been Cobra..and I know he's not exactly the most accurate) said that there were several trash cans at the MH and that they weren't emptied for several weeks/months after RC had moved out. Wonder why LE didn't take the torn jeans from the trash and test them for SOMETHING....ANYTHING! I guess I grasping at straws here. There has to be a clue somewhere the LE missed....anything to find HaLeigh and bring her home!

JMO

Magic....what torn jeans? IMO

[EMAA]

Thanks EMAA. I was thinking of another plant that has sharp leaves and needles. On one of the Sunday blogtalk radio shows, a panalist (may have been Cobra..and I know he's not exactly the most accurate) said that there were several trash cans at the MH and that they weren't emptied for several weeks/months after RC had moved out. Wonder why LE didn't take the torn jeans from the trash and test them for SOMETHING....ANYTHING! I guess I grasping at straws here. There has to be a clue somewhere the LE missed....anything to find HaLeigh and bring her home!

JMO

I'm sure there are pine needles as well. Palmetto enjoys growing underneath the native pines in FL.

http://www.floridasnature.com/images/Slash%20Pine%20(Pinus%20elliottii).jpg

If this child was discarded it is likely it will be a long time before if ever she is found.

I don't recall hearing about a pair of jeans, however, if they did find them I can't believe they didn't take them to be analyzed. Even tho' Misty is still the one under the scope, I find it hard to believe she knows very much. I'm leaning towards thinking that if it is true that she and her brother were smoking pot at the home that perhaps the joint was laced with something much harder that caused her to black out and she really doesn't know. Her actions are those of a teenager who rebels at adult authority, and if all of her acusations about her mom and dad are true then she is only following in their footsteps.

I think her marriage was in her mind an effort to have something she never had. Make a good home for Ron and the children without the skills or roll models.

I can't even begin to figure this case out. I've been on this case since day one and rarely post because of all the infighting that has gone on in the past, but I'm always readiing.

Also the native cabbage palm.

http://www.sfrc.ufl.edu/4h/Cabbage_palm/cabbpalm.htm

All of these things are usually all located together which constitutes lol Florida forest. Having been born and bred in these parts I know how difficult it is to navigate through areas such as this. jmo

[EMAA]

Sorry for the double post.

[baywench]

Good discussion already today. I had no idea the vegetation was that thick. Does it die back? I have lost track of the major players. Where is Misty and is Ron still at GGM Sykes? Also, where is the Donna girl from TM? Is she off the case?

[MagicPool]

Magic....what torn jeans? IMO

They were discussed on a blogtalk radio show about a month ago. It was on a Sunday. Let me go see if I can find which one it was. They discussed the jeans and the garbage....how pick up day wasn't until a few days after HaLeigh went missing and that there were several (4 or 5) cans at the mobile home that were full. Off to do some listening and see if I can find it.

[EMAA]

Good discussion already today. I had no idea the vegetation was that thick. Does it die back? I have lost track of the major players. Where is Misty and is Ron still at GGM Sykes? Also, where is the Donna girl from TM? Is she off the case?

Not completely like it does in the north. It does get cold but tree don't go completely naked like they do here in Iowa. I remember one yr when all the native pines suffered from a bad freeze and many had to be removed. But that is rare. But in the woodlands it just hangs out to get thicker every year.


Well, after all this time Haleigh is still gone.:rose:
From what I read Misty is at Gmas in TN I believe.
Donna not with Misty anymore/ got busted for Road Rage while with Misty. lol
Ron, not sure at home with Mom?
Other than that I'm not quite sure.

[baywench]

Sorry for the double post.

No problem...I repeat myself all the time :thumbup:

[*Pia]

Prayers for Haleigh and her family...:rose:

[teresa]

Cobra didn't get to Satsuma until March. By that time, the home had been cleaned up thoroughly. I assume the garbage he may have seen was when they cleaned it up to get ready to move.

IF LE didn't check the garbage from that night, that would be the worst mistake in the history of any case I've ever heard of.

[EMAA]

Did Donna actually get arrested for the RR incident??? I thought that other chick did not press charges??

No one was arrested. Correct she did not press charges. I just have to chuckle when I think of Misty. If it weren't for bad luck she wouldn't have any luck. jmo

[*Pia]

Cobra didn't get to Satsuma until March. By that time, the home had been cleaned up thoroughly. I assume the garbage he may have seen was when they cleaned it up to get ready to move.

IF LE didn't check the garbage from that night, that would be the worst mistake in the history of any case I've ever heard of.

Absolutely! I know mistakes happen often in different cases but that would be major.

[baywench]

Why haven't they arrested Misty yet? She knows what happened to Haleigh and it's beyond ridiculous to let her get away with this. I don't think she looks haunted. I think she looks guilty. But that is just my opinion.

I have to share a giggle with you, I just now signed on to IS and looking at the Haleigh board your nic was there for the most recent post. I didn't have my glasses on and I thought your nic was "Iluvmyporn". I have had the giggles for five minutes.

[tia marie]

It winds up being just old dead palmetto leaves laying on top of older palmetto branches, stinky and mushy. Lots of snakes and vermin. Palmetto bushes are thick sharp and pointy, making for difficult visuals.

As Teresa posted last night, if searchers can't get through the vegetation growth how could a perp ? Haleigh , IMO , is not in the forest surrounding the MH. I can't think of one player in this case who would go to such trouble. Think water. Whoever disposed of Haleigh that night had a sense of urguency, in particular if they were aware of Ron's new pm work schedule.

moo

[Mo.Gramma]

:rose::rose::rose: Still praying for Haleigh!

[tia marie]

Somer is mourned. Haleigh is still missing.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-somer-thompson-haleigh-cummings-case-103009,0,4620465.story

[FoxySly]

Magic....what torn jeans? IMO



BBM

IMO misty's "torn jeans" is a rumor from the rumor boards as I have NEVER seen any proof of it on this board, only brought here as truth with no facts nor links to back it up.
Googling only only shows me links to rumor boards.

If there are factual links to misty's "torn jeans" I hope as I read on they will be linked here.

Sly

~

[EMAA]

[QUOTE=tia marie;13602203]As Teresa posted last night, if searchers can't get through the vegetation growth how could a perp ? Haleigh , IMO , is not in the forest surrounding the MH. I can't think of one player in this case who would go to such trouble. Think water. Whoever disposed of Haleigh that night had a sense of urguency, in particular if they were aware of Ron's new pm work schedule. [QUOTE]

moo


I do think water, and considering the footprint if true and if there is only one it would indicate to me that someone was helping her into a boat possibly.

[tia marie]

Tim Miller says * Misty can bring an end to this case in the next 15 minutes*. (paraphrased). I happen to believe the man.

[?noanswer]

Comparison of Haleigh and Somer cases.


http://ow.ly/xLz6

JMO

[FoxySly]

I think her marriage was in her mind an effort to have something she never had. Make a good home for Ron and the children without the skills or roll models.

~Snippet to address

Dang it! Reading that was like a punch to my heart, yet, sadly I do agree.

Still, if misty had anything to do with HaLeigh's disappearance I pray for Justice.

Sly

~

[Chica]

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage

Prayers for Haleigh :rose:

[FrankieBones1]

Magic....what torn jeans? IMORumour only, 4Kids. Rumour only.

[Chica]

http://ow.ly/xLz6


It's been the difference, they say, between one little girl being found and put to rest near her home and a series of fruitless searches through woods, lakes and fields that have turned up no body after nearly nine months.

[FrankieBones1]

Thats pretty much what I took away from the article/video Franki....In your opinion..do you think/have a feeling HaLeigh's case is going cold..?

Some days I feel it has gone cold. I just hate to think that way.

[FrankieBones1]

http://ow.ly/xLz6


It's been the difference, they say, between one little girl being found and put to rest near her home and a series of fruitless searches through woods, lakes and fields that have turned up no body after nearly nine months.

I'm not sure how much land was covered in the searches for Haleigh but after last night's video, it would seem a near impossible task through that thick growth and of course the venomous snakes.

[*Pia]

I do think water, and considering the footprint if true and if there is only one it would indicate to me that someone was helping her into a boat possibly.

Helping her into the boat...alive? How else would any footprint be there?

[baywench]

http://ow.ly/xLz6


It's been the difference, they say, between one little girl being found and put to rest near her home and a series of fruitless searches through woods, lakes and fields that have turned up no body after nearly nine months.

That just seems so simplistic to me. They are so completely different and I am not sure that Haleigh was ever in a dumpster at all. One happened in broad daylight, one was being handled at 3 in the a.m. by parents saying she was abducted from her bed. There was alot of misdirection by Misty imo and that did not happen in the Somers case. I don't think there is just one reason why the case is unsolved. I believe that LE suspected Misty from the start. jmo

[?noanswer]

That just seems so simplistic to me. They are so completely different and I am not sure that Haleigh was ever in a dumpster at all. One happened in broad daylight, one was being handled at 3 in the a.m. by parents saying she was abducted from her bed. There was alot of misdirection by Misty imo and that did not happen in the Somers case. I don't think there is just one reason why the case is unsolved. I believe that LE suspected Misty from the start. jmo

Although they found Somer's body, the case is not solved either.

JMO

[teresa]

Although they found Somer's body, the case is not solved either.

JMO

Right. If Haleigh had been in a dumpster or the landfill, they would have her body (if she's not alive), too. Solving who did it is a different story and at this point, LE doesn't know who is lying to them in Somer's case. I doubt it is her friend that was waiting on the kids but we don't know that yet.

My hang up on Misty is why did they give Crystal a LDT over a week after Misty if they knew from the start that she flunked and was lying and not just being inconsistent. Those were FBI LDT's and I assume they are the best.

If you go back to the early press conferences, Bowling of all people was defending Misty and saying inconsistent does not mean inauthentic and that eyewitnesses always have a hard time remembering everything. I'm not saying she didn't harm Haleigh or knows who did, but if you go back to the beginning, I don't think they thought she did from the start. Not with great confidence anyway.

ETA - no one in Somer's case may be lying at this point if LE hasn't even interviewed the one who did it.

[teresa]

I would think one reason would be to avoid a rush to judgment defense by Misty or whomever, later on down the road. Also, I just wonder what kind of studies have been done concerning minors and LDT.

I always wondered if she could of been placed in that dumpster just for a short time before being taken somewhere else and LE was called. IIRC, the dogs hit on the dumpster......right?? KWIM?

But they didn't find any DNA in the dumpster. Wouldn't there be something there? If whoever DID use the dumpster, it had to be a quick fix until they got transportation to take her somewhere else.

I just can't get past the scent the dogs followed. Who were they following when they went the wrong way out of the home? Do you think they were headed to the water that way and then changed their mind? The tracking dogs never went anywhere near that dumpster when they were following Haleigh's (or someones) scent.

NG had the lady with the tracking dog on again last week during the landfill search for Somer and she said the dogs DO hit on blood from even things like bandaids.

I'm just so discouraged. I'm feeling now that we will never know. The new FLDE guy came out so strong and now we seem stalled again.

[MagicPool]

Rumour only, 4Kids. Rumour only.

I'm still listening to blogtalk radio to find it. As soon as I do I'll post it. I wouldn't have even thought about jeans being in the trash....or the trash at the MH for that matter, because I assumed LE would have gone through it and then it would have been gotten rid of. As soon as I find the show it was on I'll post it.

JMO

[teresa]

I'm still listening to blogtalk radio to find it. As soon as I do I'll post it. I wouldn't have even thought about jeans being in the trash....or the trash at the MH for that matter, because I assumed LE would have gone through it and then it would have been gotten rid of. As soon as I find the show it was on I'll post it.

JMO

MagicPool, it was 3 or 4 Sundays ago and said by Cobra. He said the cans were all full when he went there. The problem is, he didn't go there until after the place was cleaned out.

You might find the date faster by doing a Find on the comments after the wrap-up articles because people were discussing it there.

[4Kids]

That just seems so simplistic to me. They are so completely different and I am not sure that Haleigh was ever in a dumpster at all. One happened in broad daylight, one was being handled at 3 in the a.m. by parents saying she was abducted from her bed. There was alot of misdirection by Misty imo and that did not happen in the Somers case. I don't think there is just one reason why the case is unsolved. I believe that LE suspected Misty from the start. jmo

I agree with your bolded statement. I have often wondered if LE ever strayed from the fact that they thought she was involved. Did they ever really test another theory? Or was it tunnel vision? Because if Misty is innocent (and on rare days I believe that is possible), LE could have made a big mistake. IMO

[Chica]

That just seems so simplistic to me. They are so completely different and I am not sure that Haleigh was ever in a dumpster at all. One happened in broad daylight, one was being handled at 3 in the a.m. by parents saying she was abducted from her bed. There was alot of misdirection by Misty imo and that did not happen in the Somers case. I don't think there is just one reason why the case is unsolved. I believe that LE suspected Misty from the start. jmo

No, no. If you read the link I supplied there were other reason given than the one I highlighted, especially the commitment of one family as opposed to the other.

Here, I will post it again...http://ow.ly/xLz6

[TaraCrazyHair]

But they didn't find any DNA in the dumpster. Wouldn't there be something there? If whoever DID use the dumpster, it had to be a quick fix until they got transportation to take her somewhere else.

I just can't get past the scent the dogs followed. Who were they following when they went the wrong way out of the home? Do you think they were headed to the water that way and then changed their mind? The tracking dogs never went anywhere near that dumpster when they were following Haleigh's (or someones) scent.

NG had the lady with the tracking dog on again last week during the landfill search for Somer and she said the dogs DO hit on blood from even things like bandaids.

I'm just so discouraged. I'm feeling now that we will never know. The new FLDE guy came out so strong and now we seem stalled again.


BBM
Did they check anything DNA wise in or on the dumpster?

[MagicPool]

MagicPool, it was 3 or 4 Sundays ago and said by Cobra. He said the cans were all full when he went there. The problem is, he didn't go there until after the place was cleaned out.

You might find the date faster by doing a Find on the comments after the wrap-up articles because people were discussing it there.

Thanks Teresa! I've got a raging headache having listened to these idiots for too many hours now! Of course it had to be on the last show I listened to with these "players". You're right it was Cobra. (ugh) Some woman (I think it was Jan Barrett) piped in and said LE had never checked the trash and Cobra said he wasn't sure about that, that they may have gone through what was on the top. As lax as LE has seemed in this case I just can't imagine them not having checked the trash. Isn't that Detective work 101?? I'd think if they were thinking of checking a landfill they'd check the cans associated with the home!
Here's the link to the show if anyone wants to listen. I suggest opening it in your own browser so you can fast forward. It's towards the end...somewhere around (I think after) the 80 minute mark.

Sorry if I stirred up something! I truely didn't mean to! I'll keep what I hear in my head from now on until I see it in writing!


http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Simon-Barrett/2009/10/04/Haleigh-Anthony-Update

JMO

[TaraCrazyHair]

Right. If Haleigh had been in a dumpster or the landfill, they would have her body (if she's not alive), too. Solving who did it is a different story and at this point, LE doesn't know who is lying to them in Somer's case. I doubt it is her friend that was waiting on the kids but we don't know that yet.

My hang up on Misty is why did they give Crystal a LDT over a week after Misty if they knew from the start that she flunked and was lying and not just being inconsistent. Those were FBI LDT's and I assume they are the best.

If you go back to the early press conferences, Bowling of all people was defending Misty and saying inconsistent does not mean inauthentic and that eyewitnesses always have a hard time remembering everything. I'm not saying she didn't harm Haleigh or knows who did, but if you go back to the beginning, I don't think they thought she did from the start. Not with great confidence anyway.

ETA - no one in Somer's case may be lying at this point if LE hasn't even interviewed the one who did it.

LE wanted them all to take one, right?

Can't just say one or two take a test and nobody else .. that becomes finger pointing

[TaraCrazyHair]

Thanks Teresa! I've got a raging headache having listened to these idiots for too many hours now! Of course it had to be on the last show I listened to with these "players". You're right it was Cobra. (ugh) Some woman (I think it was Jan Barrett) piped in and said LE had never checked the trash and Cobra said he wasn't sure about that, that they may have gone through what was on the top. As lax as LE has seemed in this case I just can't imagine them not having checked the trash. Isn't that Detective work 101?? I'd think if they were thinking of checking a landfill they'd check the cans associated with the home!
Here's the link to the show if anyone wants to listen. I suggest opening it in your own browser so you can fast forward. It's towards the end...somewhere around (I think after) the 80 minute mark.

Sorry if I stirred up something! I truely didn't mean to! I'll keep what I hear in my head from now on until I see it in writing!


http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Simon-Barrett/2009/10/04/Haleigh-Anthony-Update

JMOAll the checking i did early on only referred to the construction dumpster which they looked in but never emptied it out until the dogs hit on it

What good does peering into a dumpster do?

(shrug)

[teresa]

Thanks Teresa! I've got a raging headache having listened to these idiots for too many hours now! Of course it had to be on the last show I listened to with these "players". You're right it was Cobra. (ugh) Some woman (I think it was Jan Barrett) piped in and said LE had never checked the trash and Cobra said he wasn't sure about that, that they may have gone through what was on the top. As lax as LE has seemed in this case I just can't imagine them not having checked the trash. Isn't that Detective work 101?? I'd think if they were thinking of checking a landfill they'd check the cans associated with the home!
Here's the link to the show if anyone wants to listen. I suggest opening it in your own browser so you can fast forward. It's towards the end...somewhere around (I think after) the 80 minute mark.

Sorry if I stirred up something! I truely didn't mean to! I'll keep what I hear in my head from now on until I see it in writing!


http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Simon-Barrett/2009/10/04/Haleigh-Anthony-Update

JMO

You didn't stir anything up! I agree with you about them checking the landfill but not the trash sitting right there at the home. No way do I see them doing that. That would be a mistake to top all mistakes if they did.

[TaraCrazyHair]

You didn't stir anything up! I agree with you about them checking the landfill but not the trash sitting right there at the home. No way do I see them doing that. That would be a mistake to top all mistakes if they did.

Yet every single early link in this case begins and ends with the dumpster of Feb 27th

[MagicPool]

All the checking i did early on only referred to the construction dumpster which they looked in but never emptied it out until the dogs hit on it

What good does peering into a dumpster do?

(shrug)

You've got me! At least they did go through that dumpster eventually, although I thought they'd use a lot more care than they did. I was stunned watching them on tv....the way they threw bags on to the ground. What if HaLeigh would have been in one of them? I suppose they know what they're doing and we're just armchair detectives, but there are days I swear a bunch of us women could get this case solved if they'd give us a little "play" and have a little alone time with a few people....namely Misty, Ronald, NayNay, and Amber. I don't think Ron had anything to do with this, but I want to know what the "little differences" are that Misty told him. I do think that NayNay and Amber may know more than they're letting on....was some plan discussed during the 3 day party weekend?? I KNOW we could get someone to talk!

JMO

[TaraCrazyHair]

You've got me! At least they did go through that dumpster eventually, although I thought they'd use a lot more care than they did. I was stunned watching them on tv....the way they threw bags on to the ground. What if HaLeigh would have been in one of them? I suppose they know what they're doing and we're just armchair detectives, but there are days I swear a bunch of us women could get this case solved if they'd give us a little "play" and have a little alone time with a few people....namely Misty, Ronald, NayNay, and Amber. I don't think Ron had anything to do with this, but I want to know what the "little differences" are that Misty told him. I do think that NayNay and Amber may know more than they're letting on....was some plan discussed during the 3 day party weekend?? I KNOW we could get someone to talk!

JMO

LE admitted back in Feb they looked in the dumpster but did not empty the trash -- I kid you not!

I don't think Amber or Nay Nay know much if anything at all, but Misty does and by default i feel Ron does too

[aproudmom]

I have not been on here for awhile but wanted to come and light a candle for little Haleigh it just breaks my heart still no closer to the truth in this case IMO:crying:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=HAMC

hope 4 Haleigh:rose:
you should be getting ready to go trick-or-treating with your baby brother.

[aproudmom]

LE admitted back in Feb they looked in the dumpster but did not empty the trash -- I kid you not!

I don't think Amber or Nay Nay know much if anything at all, but Misty does and by default i feel Ron does too

they did not go through the trash FGS your joking I hope. Is this the big dumpster they showed on tv searching? that a dog hit on and they said it could have been several things that caused the dog to hit on it.

[MagicPool]

LE admitted back in Feb they looked in the dumpster but did not empty the trash -- I kid you not!

I don't think Amber or Nay Nay know much if anything at all, but Misty does and by default i feel Ron does too

I'd like to say I'm shocked that they didn't empty the trash, but nothing in this case surprises me anymore.

My thoughts change often on this case, but I honestly don't think Ron or Crystal had anything to do with it. Here's where I'm at now....
I don't think Misty took the kids out of the mh that night, but she was outside in the woods partying with friends after they went to sleep. I think someone stopped by to see someone that was there (Misty didn't know them) and on the way back to their car one of them slipped in and grabbed HaLeigh. I know it's a long shot, but it would explain a few things, like the man in black, Misty insisting she was home, why the cinderblock was there, the bed unmade, the light on in the kitchen. Like I said, my thoughts change often and tomorrow I could be back to thinking Timmy (or is it Tommy) is somehow involved...why would you put yourself at the mh the night HaLeigh went missing if you really weren't there! Hmmmm maybe he was there partying in the woods with Misty and it was one of his friends who stopped by. See...it's too easy to come up with differant scenarios with this one!

[aproudmom]

You've got me! At least they did go through that dumpster eventually, although I thought they'd use a lot more care than they did. I was stunned watching them on tv....the way they threw bags on to the ground. What if HaLeigh would have been in one of them? I suppose they know what they're doing and we're just armchair detectives, but there are days I swear a bunch of us women could get this case solved if they'd give us a little "play" and have a little alone time with a few people....namely Misty, Ronald, NayNay, and Amber. I don't think Ron had anything to do with this, but I want to know what the "little differences" are that Misty told him. I do think that NayNay and Amber may know more than they're letting on....was some plan discussed during the 3 day party weekend?? I KNOW we could get someone to talk!

JMO

BBM

Magic it scared me to death I had to keep looking away I was so angry they did not push the cameras back or put a tarp up when they searched it I kept thinking omg what if she is in there.

[MagicPool]

they did not go through the trash FGS your joking I hope. Is this the big dumpster they showed on tv searching? that a dog hit on and they said it could have been several things that caused the dog to hit on it.

That would be the one!! <shaking head>

[aproudmom]

That would be the one!! <shaking head>

I was so afraid watching it and could not figure out why they did it the way they did for one they were up on the dumpster just tossing bags I just thought it was a very unprofessional way to conduct a missing child case. JMO

I am so afraid we will never get the answers and this is going to go cold real soon :crying: I just hope they did not have tunnel vision and miss something and I hate to say that I know LE did a good job but they also made alot of mistakes in this case. IMO

[Elle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o3DbkF8Gxk
When I look to the sky

Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings

[tia marie]

PC Officials Insist They Searched The Landfill.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/crime/orl-somer-haleigh-103109,0,340366.story?page=2

[Elle]

Good Morning everyone

Has there been any word on the PI Shoemaker was talking about hiring?

:rose: Haleigh

[Elle]

In an article dated Feb. 26th, updated the 27th, it talks about the dumpster, but also mentions searching the landfill.


http://www.news4jax.com/news/18805304/detail.html

According to investigators, all of the garbage in the area in the days following Haleigh's disappearance was taken to a special part of the county's landfill and gone through piece by piece. They said there was no sign of anything relating to the missing girl.

[tia marie]

In an article dated Feb. 26th, updated the 27th, it talks about the dumpster, but also mentions searching the landfill.


http://www.news4jax.com/news/18805304/detail.html

According to investigators, all of the garbage in the area in the days following Haleigh's disappearance was taken to a special part of the county's landfill and gone through piece by piece. They said there was no sign of anything relating to the missing girl.

Thanks Elle...LE insists they did search the landfill. I don't think they would lie about that would they?

[tia marie]

Good Morning everyone

Has there been any word on the PI Shoemaker was talking about hiring?

:rose: Haleigh

Are you referring to this from Shoemaker? If so, I haven't heard anything further.

Sounds like he expects donations to fund the PI, imo.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content...zE70qvTQg.cspx

Terry Shoemaker, Ron's attorney from the link,
“What we’d like to do is hire an independent private investigator that would allow them to look into some different areas, check down some different stories that have come in and possibly lead the investigation in another direction,” said Shoemaker.

Shoemaker is looking at ways right now to set up a non-profit organization. He says its purpose would be two-fold. It would help get the word out about Haleigh’s disappearance, and it would also serve as a way to gather funds to pay the private investigator.

[Texas48]

Good Morning everyone

Has there been any word on the PI Shoemaker was talking about hiring?

:rose: Haleigh
Good morning Elle and all our *die-hards* this morning...
I haven't heard anything further about the PI. When I heard Mr. Shoemaker make the comment on NG I took it that they were asking for donations to hire a PI. Maybe they didn't get enough in donations to hire anyone....I can't imagine PI's come cheap. and then again maybe a PI will donate his services for free.
Something/anything needs to break...This case needs help. IMO

Only 83 candles burning so far this morning...for HaLeigh Ann-Marie Cummings.


http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=HAMC

[Texas48]

Are you referring to this from Shoemaker? If so, I haven't heard anything further.

Sounds like he expects donations to fund the PI, imo.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content...zE70qvTQg.cspx

Terry Shoemaker, Ron's attorney from the link,
“What we’d like to do is hire an independent private investigator that would allow them to look into some different areas, check down some different stories that have come in and possibly lead the investigation in another direction,” said Shoemaker.

Shoemaker is looking at ways right now to set up a non-profit organization. He says its purpose would be two-fold. It would help get the word out about Haleigh’s disappearance, and it would also serve as a way to gather funds to pay the private investigator.
BBM
This is what I recall him saying tia...I just don't feel they will get the donations they are counting on to hire a PI....there is always a chance one will offer up his services for free....maybe.

[tia marie]

BBM
This is what I recall him saying tia...I just don't feel they will get the donations they are counting on to hire a PI....there is always a chance one will offer up his services for free....maybe.

I think at this time of year and nine months after Haleigh's disappearance the donations Shoemaker expects would be few and far between. Not to mention, AFAIK, the non profit process has not been initiated as yet. After the Tim Miller fiasco, I doubt a PI would offer their free services.

moo

[Elle]

Are you referring to this from Shoemaker? If so, I haven't heard anything further.

Sounds like he expects donations to fund the PI, imo.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content...zE70qvTQg.cspx

Terry Shoemaker, Ron's attorney from the link,
“What we’d like to do is hire an independent private investigator that would allow them to look into some different areas, check down some different stories that have come in and possibly lead the investigation in another direction,” said Shoemaker.

Shoemaker is looking at ways right now to set up a non-profit organization. He says its purpose would be two-fold. It would help get the word out about Haleigh’s disappearance, and it would also serve as a way to gather funds to pay the private investigator.

Thanks Tia, that is what I was thinking about!

[JD1974]

I remember my post all the way back on Valentine's day about my kids handing out their valentines and how HaLeigh should of been doing the same thing...now it is Halloween already and as my kids dress up I will be once again wishing HaLeigh was home to go trick or treating...where is this little girl?

[Elle]

Good morning Elle and all our *die-hards* this morning...
I haven't heard anything further about the PI. When I heard Mr. Shoemaker make the comment on NG I took it that they were asking for donations to hire a PI. Maybe they didn't get enough in donations to hire anyone....I can't imagine PI's come cheap. and then again maybe a PI will donate his services for free.
Something/anything needs to break...This case needs help. IMO

Only 83 candles burning so far this morning...for HaLeigh Ann-Marie Cummings.


http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=HAMC

Morning Texas
I know, I imagine they are very expensive. It would be very nice if someone would offer to donate his/her services. I don't think the setting up of a foundation is going to go over well w/ a large portion of people, many imo will be leery/gun shy in donating because of past recent high profile cases where it was used simply to make money, not used to help find the child or find out what happened. I am in no way saying that would be the case here, but that I can understand those who are skeptical.
God, where is she?!

[Elle]

I remember my post all the way back on Valentine's day about my kids handing out their valentines and how HaLeigh should of been doing the same thing...now it is Halloween already and as my kids dress up I will be once again wishing HaLeigh was home to go trick or treating...where is this little girl?

Haleigh :rose:

[Elle]

I think at this time of year and nine months after Haleigh's disappearance the donations Shoemaker expects would be few and far between. Not to mention, AFAIK, the non profit process has not been initiated as yet. After the Tim Miller fiasco, I doubt a PI would offer their free services.

moo

bbm
Hi Tia, how do you connect them? While I sadly don't see someone coming forward donating their services, I do not see how the TM fiasco would have any bearing. IMO, Tim went out of his area of expertise.

[martha]

I hate to say this but I don;t think this child is alive. I do think misty and ron both know more than they or telling. It does not look like we will ever know what happened to her. that is so sad.The mobil home was so very clean. did misty always keep it that clean? did she clean it after H.went missing? misty and ron were fighting that night on the phone and may have been fighting before he left for work. This is a strange case and I think the family knows more than any of them or telling.jmho:wub:

[KatieLady]

I hate to say this but I don;t think this child is alive. I do think misty and ron both know more than they or telling. It does not look like we will ever know what happened to her. that is so sad.The mobil home was so very clean. did misty always keep it that clean? did she clean it after H.went missing? misty and ron were fighting that night on the phone and may have been fighting before he left for work. This is a strange case and I think the family knows more than any of them or telling.jmho:wub:

When we saw the house on the NG show...the house had been cleaned up. It was cleaned after it was released back to Ron and before the NG show filmed there.

IMO

[martha]

When we saw the house on the NG show...the house had been cleaned up. It was cleaned after it was released back to Ron and before the NG show filmed there.

IMO Oh OK I did not know that but it sure was nice and cleand and everything in place and with children most of the time it is not that way you know children always have something out they or playing with. Misty is so young too but now I keep my house a lot cleaner when I was young too. At my age I don;t ever get every thing done anymore. My kids and grands come all the time and play video games and watch movies and they leave stuff out.ha, I feel like they may never find this baby. I sure hope they do and I hope she is still alive. It sure has been a long time tho. There was a time I thought misty's brother had her but I guess not. I do hope someone in the family has her and just not telling it. jmho:wub:

[baywench]

Here we all are feeling terrible that haleigh cannot enjoy the simplest things like trick or treating. How is Ron doing? How is her whole family? Why don't they stay out there...keep her name out there more than do? I read a quote today that Somers family worked with the police and not against them like Haleigh's family did. It struck that is very true, and obscene. Haleigh deserves dignity. jmo

[baywench]

Oh OK I did not know that but it sure was nice and cleand and everything in place and with children most of the time it is not that way you know children always have something out they or playing with. Misty is so young too but now I keep my house a lot cleaner when I was young too. At my age I don;t ever get every thing done anymore. My kids and grands come all the time and play video games and watch movies and they leave stuff out.ha, I feel like they may never find this baby. I sure hope they do and I hope she is still alive. It sure has been a long time tho. There was a time I thought misty's brother had her but I guess not. I do hope someone in the family has her and just not telling it. jmho:wub:

IIRC TN said they were not very tidy. That trailer was SO cleaned up. Dirty laundry in the dryer indicates to me it was not clean, that and piled laundry by the back door. It is not as if Misty had a job. In fact I believe Ron had only had his job for three weeks. Not that it matters I guess, but I do find it strange that Ron said the bed was made and not slept in. It just doesn't seem you would make the beds when the rest of house was probably a mess. jmo

[5boxersmom]

Little HaLeigh should be getting ready to go Trick or Treating. I can imagine her dressed up like a Princess. :sad:

I hope JR. has a fun filled night. He deserves it.

:rose:

k,p

[baywench]

Little HaLeigh should be getting ready to go Trick or Treating. I can imagine her dressed up like a Princess. :sad:

I hope JR. has a fun filled night. He deserves it.

:rose:

k,p

Yes I hope so, he may have already encountered "The Boogey Man" in February :cursing:

[teresa]

IIRC TN said they were not very tidy. That trailer was SO cleaned up. Dirty laundry in the dryer indicates to me it was not clean, that and piled laundry by the back door. It is not as if Misty had a job. In fact I believe Ron had only had his job for three weeks. Not that it matters I guess, but I do find it strange that Ron said the bed was made and not slept in. It just doesn't seem you would make the beds when the rest of house was probably a mess. jmo

Three months, not three weeks. I think he had only been on the night shift for about a month so that might be what you are remembering.

There's a site (that I can't remember which one, might be SM) that has pictures of Ron on several different Halloweens with his precious kids all dressed up in their costumes. How sad that Haleigh won't be with them tonight. :sad:

[tia marie]

I'm missing so many great contributors to this forum. I hope they find it in their heart to return soon.

[baywench]

Three months, not three weeks. I think he had only been on the night shift for about a month so that might be what you are remembering.

There's a site (that I can't remember which one, might be SM) that has pictures of Ron on several different Halloweens with his precious kids all dressed up in their costumes. How sad that Haleigh won't be with them tonight. :sad:


OOPS! I stand corrected. I am just getting so frustrated. Maybe I am expecting too much for the family do put Haleigh's name out in there positive ways, instead of fighting with each other and her name only being brought up within the context of another relative being arrested. Now that Misty is gone I hope that Ron will continue to take opportunities (like the Maury show) to keep her in the light. jmo

[baywench]

I'm missing so many great contributors to this forum. I hope they find it in their heart to return soon.

Maybe when there is more news. Sigh.

[Elle]

IIRC TN said they were not very tidy. That trailer was SO cleaned up. Dirty laundry in the dryer indicates to me it was not clean, that and piled laundry by the back door. It is not as if Misty had a job. In fact I believe Ron had only had his job for three weeks. Not that it matters I guess, but I do find it strange that Ron said the bed was made and not slept in. It just doesn't seem you would make the beds when the rest of house was probably a mess. jmo

About the bed, which was it? TM relays to different accounts of the bed.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/02/ng.01.html
MILLER: He said that she never made the bed that night. She`d been awake all night. She never went to sleep. They did not have any laundry detergent, so she never washed clothes. The only clothes in the dryer were dirty clothes.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/faith/news-article.aspx?storyid=144277&catid=295
Miller told First Coast News, "He said, 'She had never been to sleep that night.' He said, 'The bed was still made.' He said, 'Nobody had been in the bed.'"

What is Ron's definition of a made bed? Could it be something as simple as a fitted sheet and a blanket on top? While my mother would cringe, that is more my definition. Of a bed never made? Could it be as simple as there was no fitted sheet or bottom sheet?
I don't see Misty making a bed the way that would make my mom smile, but I can see her pulling a blanket up loosely like me and calling it made.
I can see both ways leading Ron to believe the bed was never slept in, though it does not mean it wasn't slept in as one can sleep on a bare mattress and one can sleep ontop of bedding.
I have a hard time with things like this because what could mean one thing to me could mean something totally different to someone else.

[tia marie]

About the bed, which was it? TM relays to different accounts of the bed.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/02/ng.01.html
MILLER: He said that she never made the bed that night. She`d been awake all night. She never went to sleep. They did not have any laundry detergent, so she never washed clothes. The only clothes in the dryer were dirty clothes.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/faith/news-article.aspx?storyid=144277&catid=295
Miller told First Coast News, "He said, 'She had never been to sleep that night.' He said, 'The bed was still made.' He said, 'Nobody had been in the bed.'"

What is Ron's definition of a made bed? Could it be something as simple as a fitted sheet and a blanket on top? While my mother would cringe, that is more my definition. Of a bed never made? Could it be as simple as there was no fitted sheet or bottom sheet?
I don't see Misty making a bed the way that would make my mom smile, but I can see her pulling a blanket up loosely like me and calling it made.
I can see both ways leading Ron to believe the bed was never slept in, though it does not mean it wasn't slept in as one can sleep on a bare mattress and one can sleep ontop of bedding.
I have a hard time with things like this because what could mean one thing to me could mean something totally different to someone else.

Oh come on elle, we can make all the excuses in the world for Ron, but an "unmade bed vs. a made bed" should be not one of them. I can't believe a "blanket pulled up loosely" would qualify Ron to say the bed was never slept in. He's not that stupid is he?

[baywench]

Oh come on elle, we can make all the excuses in the world for Ron, but an "unmade bed vs. a made bed" should be not one of them. I can't believe a "blanket pulled up loosely" would qualify Ron to say the bed was never slept in. He's not that stupid is he?


Bed confusion aside...."I washed her blanket" and there was not laundry deter in the house or clean clothes in the dryer are pretty clear. What was she trying to cover up with the blanket story? jmo

[baywench]

What if the blanket story was because Haleigh wet herself, woke up and Misty changed her clothes (the dirty pink shirt in the laundry), Haleigh saw the people there and threatened to tell and Misty did something to her? Then she panicked and called Tommy to help her? So blanket is gone, Haleigh is gone? jmo

[Elle]

Oh come on elle, we can make all the excuses in the world for Ron, but an "unmade bed vs. a made bed" should be not one of them. I can't believe a "blanket pulled up loosely" would qualify Ron to say the bed was never slept in. He's not that stupid is he?

My trying to understand what someone means, and realizing that what is said may not mean the same thing to me, is not making excuses for them.
Many seem to be running with the bed was made and not slept in version of Tims, yet he presented to different accounts. I have no idea what Ron said, what Ron thinks or what Ron believes. There are very few facts and lots of stories, from everyone. And all I can do is take all the stories and try to make sense out of them, there are so many variations.

[Elle]

What if the blanket story was because Haleigh wet herself, woke up and Misty changed her clothes (the dirty pink shirt in the laundry), Haleigh saw the people there and threatened to tell and Misty did something to her? Then she panicked and called Tommy to help her? So blanket is gone, Haleigh is gone? jmo

I have always wondered about Misty's blanket that was 'in the van that they took'. Has anything about the blankets been disclosed by LE, such as what ones are accounted for?

[baywench]

My trying to understand what someone means, and realizing that what is said may not mean the same thing to me, is not making excuses for them.
Many seem to be running with the bed was made and not slept in version of Tims, yet he presented to different accounts. I have no idea what Ron said, what Ron thinks or what Ron believes. There are very few facts and lots of stories, from everyone. And all I can do is take all the stories and try to make sense out of them, there are so many variations.


Yes my dear and that puts you right here with the rest of us, scratching our heads and chasing our tails. And everytime I think I've got it figured it....bam! nope, another fact muddies the waters back up again. i did not realize there were two versions from Tim, i thank you for that. What I don't understand, will never understand is if Ron knew these things he slept with this woman every night???? jmo

[baywench]

I have always wondered about Misty's blanket that was 'in the van that they took'. Has anything about the blankets been disclosed by LE, such as what ones are accounted for?

I dont think so. I have asked that question before and diligently googled and read links. That van and that blanket have always seemed significant to me. I suspect LE has followed this up, and is the blanket the thing that was taken that TN referred to? Was it a baby blanket or a full size blanket for her bed? jmo

[Elle]

I dont think so. I have asked that question before and diligently googled and read links. That van and that blanket have always seemed significant to me. I suspect LE has followed this up, and is the blanket the thing that was taken that TN referred to? Was it a baby blanket or a full size blanket for her bed? jmo

My thinking is that it is at least a kids blanket, if not a regular adult blanket. My kids would still occassionally use their baby blankets when they were Haleigh's age, but more for carrying around or for the car or something, by the time they were Haleigh's age they pretty much were too big to have them fully cover them and keep them warm. I had gotten the impression that the blanket was something Haleigh used for her warmth, but then again Misty said she covered her w/ a sheet, and thats not all that warm so who really knows.
Do you recall what TN said about the item that was taken? I think you very well may be on to something.

[Lynn Gweeny]

My thinking is that it is at least a kids blanket, if not a regular adult blanket. My kids would still occassionally use their baby blankets when they were Haleigh's age, but more for carrying around or for the car or something, by the time they were Haleigh's age they pretty much were too big to have them fully cover them and keep them warm. I had gotten the impression that the blanket was something Haleigh used for her warmth, but then again Misty said she covered her w/ a sheet, and thats not all that warm so who really knows.
Do you recall what TN said about the item that was taken? I think you very well may be on to something.


Neves said family members missed a certain item while cleaning inside the Cummings home.

"There is something missing from the trailer that should be there," she said. "I don't know if it was taken for evidence or whoever took Haleigh took it."

The missing item belongs to Haleigh, she said.

"It's something that should always be there for her," she said.

Neves said she could not explain what the item was because of the ongoing investigation.

Shauland said he had no idea what Neves was talking about, when authorities removed items as evidence a receipt for each item was issued to the family.

"We turned the house back to them sometime last week," he said. "We've not had anything to do with the house since then."

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/03/06/news/news01.txt (Archived link)

[Texas48]

Neves said family members missed a certain item while cleaning inside the Cummings home.

"There is something missing from the trailer that should be there," she said. "I don't know if it was taken for evidence or whoever took Haleigh took it."

The missing item belongs to Haleigh, she said.

"It's something that should always be there for her," she said.

Neves said she could not explain what the item was because of the ongoing investigation.

Shauland said he had no idea what Neves was talking about, when authorities removed items as evidence a receipt for each item was issued to the family.

"We turned the house back to them sometime last week," he said. "We've not had anything to do with the house since then."

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/03/06/news/news01.txt (Archived link)Red By Me
These two statements are very confusing IMO. TN couldn't elaborate on the *item* because on the investigation and Shauland didn't seem to have any idea what she was talking about.... :confused: to say the least...
JMO

[Elle]

respectfully snipped

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/03/06/news/news01.txt (Archived link)

I love you :)

[baywench]

Red By Me
These two statements are very confusing IMO. TN couldn't elaborate on the *item* because on the investigation and Shauland didn't seem to have any idea what she was talking about.... :confused: to say the least...
JMO

So do you think that means that TN never asked LE? Obviously LE wouldn't know whether they had the item or not unless she asked? Strange as "Cummings speak" is it wouldn't surprise me one bit that a direct question and answer were not received. Even when she is on Nancy Grace she can't just give a straight answer. The logical emotion (albeit may be an unfair one) is that they would angry with Misty and blame her. I would think that would be the first reaction, and perhaps if you were dealing with someone who was in your family you would then try to get control of those first reactions which are to blame and calm down. But to say that Misty was the greatest "Mom" to the kids and they loved her just seems downright strange. It is human nature to want to blame someone first. Oh my goodness, i can't word this right. I know you will understand me:blushing:

[Elle]

Red By Me
These two statements are very confusing IMO. TN couldn't elaborate on the *item* because on the investigation and Shauland didn't seem to have any idea what she was talking about.... :confused: to say the least...
JMO

Hmm, I missed that the first couple of times around....things just are not 'getting in' to my head these days. That is interesting. She states she cannot comment because of the ongoing investigation, LE says they have no clue what she is talking about. There seems to be a disconnect.

[baywench]

Maybe the missing item was Haleigh's inhaler? :confused:


I remember that being talked about as a good possibility. I have wondered if perhaps Haleigh had an asthma attack (maybe from smoke? or stress?) and they tried to use the inhaler but it was too late? Don't remember what the definite answer was but the all-knowing, all-seeing Lyngweeny prolly does!

[Lynn Gweeny]

Maybe the missing item was Haleigh's inhaler? :confused:

CUMMINGS: Miss Nancy, she was on medication, but at the time, the only medication she need was her Albuterol treatment, which came in a breather. So all she has to do is a couple squirts, and that`s it, so that her asthma is -- so she can breathe well and she`s not wheezing.

GRACE: Correct me if I`m wrong, Ronald, but the Albuterol, the inhaler, you can`t look at it and tell how much is in there, correct?

CUMMINGS: No, ma`am.

GRACE: So you don`t know if she used that before she went to bed or not. Was her inhaler still there?

CUMMINGS: Yes, ma`am.

GRACE: So the inhaler was still there.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0910/06/ng.01.html

[baywench]

Lynn, dang girl, how do you do that???:thumbsup::laugh:
You are some kind of special. :wub:


I think she's super-natural special....she can do that for all threads. I'm putting my tin-foil hat on Lynn. You're not reading my thoughts! A Big thank you for always being there. You must not have a life. jmo

[panman]

My trying to understand what someone means, and realizing that what is said may not mean the same thing to me, is not making excuses for them.
Many seem to be running with the bed was made and not slept in version of Tims, yet he presented to different accounts. I have no idea what Ron said, what Ron thinks or what Ron believes. There are very few facts and lots of stories, from everyone. And all I can do is take all the stories and try to make sense out of them, there are so many variations.

Thank you Elle. And I believe no one should be questioned when none of us know the answers. It shouldn't be called making excuses either.

:rose:http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/...?l=eng&gi=HAMC :rose:

[baywench]

OK so it's not the inhaler. Misty is the only person that mentions the blanket IIRC. In fact her mentioning of it seems odd in the context of her explanation the night Haleigh went missing. I have known some liars in my time and they always embellish which is usally what gets them caught. Is the blanket with Haleigh? Maybe we should e-mail Nancy Grace with that question. jmo

[5boxersmom]

OK so it's not the inhaler. Misty is the only person that mentions the blanket IIRC. In fact her mentioning of it seems odd in the context of her explanation the night Haleigh went missing. I have known some liars in my time and they always embellish which is usally what gets them caught. Is the blanket with Haleigh? Maybe we should e-mail Nancy Grace with that question. jmo

The very first time I saw Misty on tv with the tear running down her face talking about the blanket I thought to myself she is giving way to much info. on that blanket. You know how liars give to much info on somethings to try to make their story believable.

jmo

[tia marie]

Tim Miller will be a guest on the Levi Page show tomorrow night and will be taking calls.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage

[FrankieBones1]

CUMMINGS: Miss Nancy, she was on medication, but at the time, the only medication she need was her Albuterol treatment, which came in a breather. So all she has to do is a couple squirts, and that`s it, so that her asthma is -- so she can breathe well and she`s not wheezing.

GRACE: Correct me if I`m wrong, Ronald, but the Albuterol, the inhaler, you can`t look at it and tell how much is in there, correct?

CUMMINGS: No, ma`am.

GRACE: So you don`t know if she used that before she went to bed or not. Was her inhaler still there?

CUMMINGS: Yes, ma`am.

GRACE: So the inhaler was still there.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0910/06/ng.01.html

Thanks, Lynn. Maybe it was the blanket that is the missing object.

[FrankieBones1]

Thank you Elle. And I believe no one should be questioned when none of us know the answers. It shouldn't be called making excuses either.

:rose:http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/...?l=eng&gi=HAMC :rose:

Good message, Pan.

[baywench]

I know TMI......

Even before that when the story first broke and the timing of the 911 call. My ears really perked up. That has happened many times in this case but the two things that really stick out in my mind is the pink shirt and blue van. Sometimes you can explain away 1 or 2 things but all this stuff?? Too many loose ends!!


Maybe they are part of the evidence that does not support her story. First Haleigh was in the shirt, then they found the shirt, I don't remember Misty addressing that inconsistency. She said she washed the blankent and it wasn't found, the scratch on the van. How can they not have enough for probable cause? Is it because it is all circumstantial? Wouldn't it be enough that Misty was responsible for her and she went missing on Misty's watch. Would it have been different if only Misty had called 911 before Ron got home? I think so, I think it would have changed alot. jmo

[5boxersmom]

I would like to know if any of HaLeigh's clothes are missing. Maybe that is what TN means, a Jacket or Robe? On the Amber Alert it doesn't list any clothes.

jmo

[Clara Harris]

I'm missing so many great contributors to this forum. I hope they find it in their heart to return soon.

I bet they can feel your love ;) Every contributor to this forum == whether you consider them great or not == only wants to find HaLeigh JMT&OO.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Remember the amber alert was changed after the pink tee was found. IMO, if Misty did this, the question as to what she was wearing was one she did not think of and was caught off guard.

Wasn't it found in the laundry basket -- not on top?

It while the police were doing a walk through with her

I always thought that kind of odd for her to pull it out of the basket ...

[TaraCrazyHair]

I would like to know if any of HaLeigh's clothes are missing. Maybe that is what TN means, a Jacket or Robe? On the Amber Alert it doesn't list any clothes.

jmo

Never heard of clothes missing ... just that her shoes were there

[TaraCrazyHair]

I'm missing so many great contributors to this forum. I hope they find it in their heart to return soon.

I know -- really sad how much this board has quieted down

Maybe when misty turns 18 things will fire up?

[5boxersmom]

Remember the amber alert was changed after the pink tee was found. IMO, if Misty did this, the question as to what she was wearing was one she did not think of and was caught off guard.

Yep. So if no clothes are missing that would say alot. I don't know why it is a secret the clothes and whatever TN says is missing that should be there for HaLeigh. Doesn't seem like the case is going anywhere so why not release this info?

jmo

[TaraCrazyHair]

Yep. So if no clothes are missing that would say alot. I don't know why it is a secret the clothes and whatever TN says is missing that should be there for HaLeigh. Doesn't seem like the case is going anywhere so why not release this info?

jmo

Did GGM ever say what Haleigh was wearing when she saw her?

She would have been the last known person to see her short of Misty

[Clara Harris]

I know -- really sad how much this board has quieted down

Maybe when misty turns 18 things will fire up?


I hope I don't regret asking, but here goes:

What do you and tia marie consider "great contributors?"

What does Misty turning 18 have to do that might possibly "fire things up" OR change the status of the alleged "great contributors" so that they are no loner "quieted down"? I am really curious to learn how things might possibly change for the good of finding out HaLeigh. TIA

[TaraCrazyHair]

I hope I don't regret asking, but here goes:

What do you and tia marie consider "great contributors?"

What does Misty turning 18 have to do that might possibly "fire things up" OR change the status of the alleged "great contributors" so that they are no loner "quieted down"? I am really curious to learn how things might possibly change for the good of finding out HaLeigh. TIA

Don't know about "great contributors" ... just that nobody is here anymore posting

I talk to myself a lot lately lol

I think LE is waiting for the grand old age of 18 to play hardball ... despite the fact she married, she is still 17 and a lawyer can have a heyday with that

Once she turns 18 .. it is a whole new game .. legal wise

Just a thought I have

[TaraCrazyHair]

Yes, I believe so. It was during a walk through and my heart just sank with that news. I remember it all broke during NG and Marie and Crystal were visibly shaken over it. I thought there was gonna be a blow up right then and there.

That is also a perfect example of how LE did let us know something. They had to so they could change what she was last seen wearing. Gave me hope there is more they have held back.

Remember how Misty used that as an example of why would she admit it during the walk through if she was hiding something. BECAUSE LE FOUND IT, thats why!!

I don't think LE found it?

From what I remember ... she pulled it out of the basket and showed LE

But from the bottom of the basket ....

[tia marie]

In searching for info about the pink shirt, I came across this old AMW link. I never knew Haleigh had peirced ears till I read this tonight. Wonder if she had earrings on that night, and if so why no mention of them.

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=63252

[TaraCrazyHair]

In searching for info about the pink shirt, I came across this old AMW link. I never knew Haleigh had peirced ears till I read this tonight. Wonder if she had earrings on that night, and if so why no mention of them.

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=63252



The door was standing open several inches and the screen door was propped open with a cinder block, but police say they're not sure what that means.

Not according to both Ron and Misty -- it was standing WIDE open

That sure bothers me so much

[tia marie]

According to this report, Misty found the pink shirt in a pile of laundry when she was allowed back into the home with LE.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/cummings_haleigh.html

[TaraCrazyHair]

According to this report, Misty found the pink shirt in a pile of laundry when she was allowed back into the home with LE.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/cummings_haleigh.html

Yep ... so why did Misty feel the need to go through the laundry while doing a walk through with LE?

Odd huh?

[tia marie]

Yep ... so why did Misty feel the need to go through the laundry while doing a walk through with LE?

Odd huh?

Extremely odd. The deception runs through out Misty's story of that night. From cleaning, laundering, videos, whose sleeping where, what Haleigh was wearing, etc. etc. Too many details.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Extremely odd. The deception runs through out Misty's story of that night. From cleaning, laundering, videos, whose sleeping where, what Haleigh was wearing, etc. etc. Too many details.


And not a single one of them consistent

[Justice4all]

Yep ... so why did Misty feel the need to go through the laundry while doing a walk through with LE?

Odd huh?

they probably wanted to do an inventory of what was there and what was missing


MOO

[Clara Harris]

Don't know about "great contributors" ... just that nobody is here anymore posting

I talk to myself a lot lately lol

I think LE is waiting for the grand old age of 18 to play hardball ... despite the fact she married, she is still 17 and a lawyer can have a heyday with that

Once she turns 18 .. it is a whole new game .. legal wise

Just a thought I have

I don''t post or lurk here enough to know if your "nobody is...." comment.

I don't know who has been banned or who has simply moved on or who has scaled back their commentary.


Why would Misty being 18 permit LE to behave in a manner that they haven't allowed toi previously? I am sure I am missing something that you know. I appreciate your insights.

[TaraCrazyHair]

they probably wanted to do an inventory of what was there and what was missing


MOO

I hardly think LE meant dirty clothes (:

[Justice4all]

I hardly think LE meant dirty clothes (:

Why wouldn't they look through the dirty clothes to see if somethings missing?

[5boxersmom]

According to this report, Misty found the pink shirt in a pile of laundry when she was allowed back into the home with LE.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/cummings_haleigh.html

Misty says she found it in the laundry but LE has not said where they found it. Makes me go hmmm.

jmo

[TaraCrazyHair]

I don''t post or lurk here enough to know if your "nobody is...." comment.

I don't know who has been banned or who has simply moved on or who has scaled back their commentary.


Why would Misty being 18 permit LE to behave in a manner that they haven't allowed toi previously? I am sure I am missing something that you know. I appreciate your insights.

LE stated at the beginning that they basically had to treat Misty with kid gloves due to her age

When a new face to the case came on board and was "not so nice", Misty left the interview

Once she is 18 ... things will change as to what they can pursue with her legally and I am just waiting to see what happens when that day comes

[baywench]

Don't know about "great contributors" ... just that nobody is here anymore posting

I talk to myself a lot lately lol

I think LE is waiting for the grand old age of 18 to play hardball ... despite the fact she married, she is still 17 and a lawyer can have a heyday with that

Once she turns 18 .. it is a whole new game .. legal wise

Just a thought I have

I don't know that her turning 18 will have anything to do with them being more agressive with her. She could be charged as an adult already if LE has enough evidence to indict her. Even though there is no new news here I think sometimes it is still really good to go back over the old stuff. Like we are doing tonight. I don't remember it all from February so it is good to look at things a different way. Plus hindsight is 20/20 and going back and looking at some of the early interviews knowing what we do now can be enlightening. For one thing when I look at Misty's old interviews I realize how freakin guilty she looks. TN looks so completely distraught and tortured. Crystal doesn't really show alot of emotion so I can't really say much about her. I try and post every day to keep the board alive, and I end up with a smaller group of posters and I like that, you can get to know everyone better. jmo

[Justice4all]

LE stated at the beginning that they basically had to treat Misty with kid gloves due to her age

When a new face to the case came on board and was "not so nice", Misty left the interview

Once she is 18 ... things will change as to what they can pursue with her legally and I am just waiting to see what happens when that day comes

Even after she's 18 she can walk out of interviews. Only way she would have to stay is if she's been charged.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Why wouldn't they look through the dirty clothes to see if somethings missing?

Seriously?

I'm sorry but i do not think LE has ever asked anyone to go through dirty laundry to see if anything is missing?

[5boxersmom]

Oh also.......I always wondered if the item or maybe items of hers missing were perhaps the school clothes she wore on that last day. Kind a like Laci's clothes her sister saw her wearing when she cut her hair.

That little slip up happens more than you would ever think.

Could be or it could be some kind of bigger toy that she could have hit her head on if she was pushed. I just wish we knew what it was.

jmo

[Santa'sMom]

I don't think Misty's turning 18 is going to change anything. She already knows how to tell LE that she has a lawyer and that she doesn't have to tell them anything. Unless she suddenly develops a conscience, I don't think she is going to assist in the investigation any more than she has, or hasn't, already.

As for arresting her for probable cause, being able to arrest someone for that and being able to get a jury to find a person guilty of something based on probable cause are two completely different birds. LE has at least 7 years for most felonies and some crimes have no statute of limitations. I'd rather see LE sit back and wait it out until they have what they need to make the case stick than to jump in and arrest someone to make John Q Public happy and then have that case fall apart and lose all chances of ever making the person(s) involved pay for whatever they did to or with Haleigh.

[5boxersmom]

Why wouldn't they look through the dirty clothes to see if somethings missing?

I would hope they went through dirty clothes looking for blood and stains.

jmo

[TaraCrazyHair]

Even after she's 18 she can walk out of interviews. Only way she would have to stay is if she's been charged.


Easier on LE's part to to do something when an adult vs a juvenile

I do believe easier to charge something/anything as well ... between the Judge and the DA's office

[baywench]

Oh also.......I always wondered if the item or maybe items of hers missing were perhaps the school clothes she wore on that last day. Kind a like Laci's clothes her sister saw her wearing when she cut her hair.

That little slip up happens more than you would ever think.

I could never believe that after you have (I would think) fed, bathed and put a child to bed that you would know what they were wearing. She even says she covered Haleigh up. Second only to Misty's lies are Ron's non-answers and lack of any face-time with the press without glaring like a thug as he passes them. Man up Ron, get up and speak about your child, how you miss her, how her brother misses her, how people need to keep looking for her. Stop hiding. jmo

[TaraCrazyHair]

I would hope they went through dirty clothes looking for blood and stains.

jmo

LE may have done that on their own but they would not ask Misty to do so?

[Justice4all]

I would hope they went through dirty clothes looking for blood and stains.

jmo

I'm sure they did....I think they just went through the clothes with Misty to make sure clothes weren't missing.


MOO

[TaraCrazyHair]

I could never believe that after you have (I would think) fed, bathed and put a child to bed that you would know what they were wearing. She even says she covered Haleigh up. Second only to Misty's lies are Ron's non-answers and lack of any face-time with the press without glaring like a thug as he passes them. Man up Ron, get up and speak about your child, how you miss her, how her brother misses her, how people need to keep looking for her. Stop hiding. jmo


I always knew what PJ's I placed on my kids ... and now what sleepers I put on my baby grandson before putting him down for the night

[Mo.Gramma]

Haleigh, we are still praying for you to be found....:rose::rose::rose:

[TaraCrazyHair]

I'm sure they did....I think they just went through the clothes with Misty to make sure clothes weren't missing.


MOO

Obviously some clothes were missing since it wasn't the pink shirt she had on last

[TaraCrazyHair]

I wonder if LE asked GMM what Haleigh had on and it didn't sync with what Misty said and that is why the laundry search happened?

[Justice4all]

Easier on LE's part to to do something when an adult vs a juvenile

I do believe easier to charge something/anything as well ... between the Judge and the DA's office

I totally disagree. When Misty's 18 she can move to another state and they won't be able to interview her as easy as they could when she was living with Ron.

IMO they won't be able to really sit her down for heating interrogation until after they charge her with something.

[Justice4all]

Obviously some clothes were missing since it wasn't the pink shirt she had on last

Exactly

So IMO they made Misty go through ALL the clothes,...Clean and Dirty so she might could figure out what's missing.

[TaraCrazyHair]

I don't think Misty's turning 18 is going to change anything. She already knows how to tell LE that she has a lawyer and that she doesn't have to tell them anything. Unless she suddenly develops a conscience, I don't think she is going to assist in the investigation any more than she has, or hasn't, already.

As for arresting her for probable cause, being able to arrest someone for that and being able to get a jury to find a person guilty of something based on probable cause are two completely different birds. LE has at least 7 years for most felonies and some crimes have no statute of limitations. I'd rather see LE sit back and wait it out until they have what they need to make the case stick than to jump in and arrest someone to make John Q Public happy and then have that case fall apart and lose all chances of ever making the person(s) involved pay for whatever they did to or with Haleigh.

Things are simply easier with a complicated case when a person is an adult vs a juvenile

That is what I mean


(And I think at this point they are waiting)

[Justice4all]

I wonder if LE asked GMM what Haleigh had on and it didn't sync with what Misty said and that is why the laundry search happened?

I hope they did....

[TaraCrazyHair]

Exactly

So IMO they made Misty go through ALL the clothes,...Clean and Dirty so she might could figure out what's missing.

So you feel LE already found the shirt ... and wanted to see what Misty would do?

[TaraCrazyHair]

I totally disagree. When Misty's 18 she can move to another state and they won't be able to interview her as easy as they could when she was living with Ron.

IMO they won't be able to really sit her down for heating interrogation until after they charge her with something.

She already did

[baywench]

I hope they did....

And those are easy questions. Why can't LE disclose what Haleigh was wearing when she disappeared? They really must be holding alot of information close because there have not even been any leaks. It so frustrating, the most basic questions cannot be answered. How, when, where, who, what. We don't know any of them. jmo

[Justice4all]

She already did

Exactly....so what makes you think when she's 18 they will be able to get tougher on her?

[baywench]

So you feel LE already found the shirt ... and wanted to see what Misty would do?

Actually i hope so, that would have been a good idea. i think LE was on to Misty very quickly and never bought the abduction theory. jmo

[TaraCrazyHair]

And those are easy questions. Why can't LE disclose what Haleigh was wearing when she disappeared? They really must be holding alot of information close because there have not even been any leaks. It so frustrating, the most basic questions cannot be answered. How, when, where, who, what. We don't know any of them. jmo

They may not be able to disclose because they simply don't know

[TaraCrazyHair]

Actually i hope so, that would have been a good idea. i think LE was on to Misty very quickly and never bought the abduction theory. jmo

Misty did not even get her hair color right in the 911 call (brown is what she said ... Haleigh is blonde)

How could they expect her to know pj's color lol

[Justice4all]

Actually i hope so, that would have been a good idea. i think LE was on to Misty very quickly and never bought the abduction theory. jmo

I agree...........Totally

[5boxersmom]

LE may have done that on their own but they would not ask Misty to do so?

Maybe they didn't ask her. Maybe she saw it in the pile of dirty clothes?

What day was the walk through with Misty?

[5boxersmom]

What about a special blanket? My kids referred to them as their blankey or binkey. Did beautiful little Haleigh have a special blanket or toy she slept with that is missing.

Could be. I wish we knew. I wonder why it can't be told?

[baywench]

They may not be able to disclose because they simply don't know


UGH, I hope they have this great wealth of information and are just sitting on it. I don't like the taste of crow. jmo

[Clara Harris]

LE may have done that on their own but they would not ask Misty to do so?
They may have done a lot of things on their own but they would not ask/disclose that they did so?


Why would LE go the thru dirty clothes basket, find HaLeigh's last know outfit in it and then pretend it didn't exist until Misty was allowed to walk them thru house/crime scene?

Why would Misty acknowledge that the dirty duds basket holds the items she last saw HaLeigh sleeping in if she had something to hide? Especially if no one knew she was hiding details and no one knew that HaLeigh's outfiit was still there in her home? Just asking.....

[5boxersmom]

5boxersmom,
I have a feeling LE doesn't know and that's why they haven't released any more information. Now that I think about it, the grandmas and Ronald should know if a special sleep item is missing. I know I shouldn't keep thinking this but I feel like this case is cold.

They do know. TN said it on tv but said she couldn't say what it was because of the investigation. Then LE said they didn't know what she was talking about. :rolleyes: It is in a link a few pages back.

I am starting to think cold too. :sad:

jmo

[5boxersmom]

If Misty had been wasted for 3 days, would she even remember what clothes Haleigh had in the house??? Much less what she was last wearing? Somehow I doubt it. Anyone who keeps dirty clothes in the dryer probably doesn't pay much attention to the clothes at all. Poor Haleigh, really didnt have much of a change, IMHO.

I wonder how much sleep Misty got after the partying and before 10 pm on that Monday night? WBG said he last heard from her around 4 am on Sunday.I took that to mean Saturday Night into Sunday morning. So did she sleep Sunday night? She said they came home and took a nap after they took HaLeigh to school. How long would it take to sleep it off?

Was the pink shirt what HaLeigh wore to school that day? I never heard Misty say she gave them a bath that night. Or that HaLeigh had a bath before she went to school that morning. Did HaLeigh have a bath?

jmo

[Justice4all]

And the whole chemistry changes. Even though kids are charged as adults all the time, I think they feel they will be seen as more responsible for their actions. She cannot use her age as an excuse like I have heard her say.

PLUS, I think they will want to try and get in another LDT. Because that whole her being a minor thing will not be an issue.

When will she be 18?????? I was thinking she was 16 at the time and now 17.

She'll be 18 in Dec...dob 12-9-1991

[5boxersmom]

That is a great question. Surely LE talked to Haleigh's teachers at school and anyone else who saw her earlier that day. Could be key about that pink shirt.

Maybe. I wonder if there was any kind of routine in the home? I know I had more of a routine when my son was in school.

jmo

[5boxersmom]

You notice she was not around for the NG tour. That is why we don't know none of that. If she could clear this stuff up, you know she would. Like Drew Peterson did all that talking but never, IIRC, would say what he did that last 24hrs or what he told cops he did.

She says she wants people to move on........well it's all in her hands.

You are so right. Ron did an interview in the house, then TN did for NG. I think even GGS showed the house. Why didn't Misty? We have never heard what bathroom she was going to or did she wake up to get a drink?

The hard questions are never ask of her when she is on TV. Why pay for her to go to NY and then ask soft questions? :confused:


jmo

[teresa]

I don't think LE found it?

From what I remember ... she pulled it out of the basket and showed LE

But from the bottom of the basket ....

It was on the pile by the washer I believe. I never heard the word basket anywhere Tara. It was supposed laying on the top of a pile of dirty clothes.

[teresa]

Yep ... so why did Misty feel the need to go through the laundry while doing a walk through with LE?

Odd huh?

I'm behind but in case no one answered you, LE took Misty into the home to find the clothes Haleigh wore to school on Monday. That is when she found the shirt.

[5boxersmom]

I know why even ask the question about inconsistencies without the follow up......WHAT WERE THEY???

Greta would of been the person I would want to ask Misty or any of them questions. Wish Greta could do a do over if not Misty, Ron and TN.

Greta was so good covering the Laci case and Natalie case. What happen to her? :angry: Seems to be all politics now, wonder if that was her choice or Fox News?

They had MF covering the Caylee case for Greta and then all coverage seemed to have stopped. :confused: Wish they would send him to Satsuma.

jmo

[teresa]

Was it on top??????? Because I do not know if that part was ever explained.

I don't know honestly. I'm looking for links and I just see "on a pile of dirty clothes". One link on that discovery blog does say basket by the back door but it is a dead link when you click on it so Tara may be right that it was in a basket but it wasn't on the bottom in any article I can find.

Poor Haleigh, it's been so long some of our links are dead. Who would have thought? I'm so sad - I know we all are. I'm like Tia, I miss all our posters, too.

[teresa]

Greta was so good covering the Laci case and Natalie case. What happen to her? :angry: Seems to be all politics now, wonder if that was her choice or Fox News?

They had MF covering the Caylee case for Greta and then all coverage seemed to have stopped. :confused: Wish they would send him to Satsuma.

jmo

I agree so much. Greta asks great follow up questions and if the person can't answer because of the investigation, at least we know that much. I too wonder if it was her decision. I think her ratings were higher when she covered legal issues rather than politics. I could be wrong but I think I read that.

[5boxersmom]

I agree so much. Greta asks great follow up questions and if the person can't answer because of the investigation, at least we know that much. I too wonder if it was her decision. I think her ratings were higher when she covered legal issues rather than politics. I could be wrong but I think I read that.

Fox News covers politics all day long. You would think they would let Greta keep to the legal issues for an hour. She is a lawyer.

jmo

[teresa]

Fox News covers politics all day long. You would think they would let Greta keep to the legal issues for an hour. She is a lawyer.

jmo

I know. I used to read her blog and lots of posters were asking her to go back to legal issues and not politics. I thought after the election she would but I guess not. I liked her show much better than NG and the new JVM one gives me a headache with all the shouting.

[5boxersmom]

I know. I used to read her blog and lots of posters were asking her to go back to legal issues and not politics. I thought after the election she would but I guess not. I liked her show much better than NG and the new JVM one gives me a headache with all the shouting.

I know. I use to get so mad because every night on her show was about the Natalie case even if there wasn't any new news. Never dreamed she would go all politics on us. :rolleyes: Ooohhh the irony.

jmo:biggrin:

[teresa]

I know. I use to get so mad because every night on her show was about the Natalie case even if there wasn't any new news. Never dreamed she would go all politics on us. :rolleyes: Ooohhh the irony.

jmo:biggrin:

Yeah, I've been searching for a 2008 vs 2009 comparison but the election throws all the numbers off. I was reading about how high her ratings were when she covered Natalee so I guess that's why even when there was no new news.

I guess it won't do any good to send emails about it. I sometimes watch NG twice because there is nothing else on that interests me.

[5boxersmom]

Yeah, I've been searching for a 2008 vs 2009 comparison but the election throws all the numbers off. I was reading about how high her ratings were when she covered Natalee so I guess that's why even when there was no new news.

I guess it won't do any good to send emails about it. I sometimes watch NG twice because there is nothing else on that interests me.

I know what you mean. When the Laci case was big I couldn't wait for Greta and her panel to be on. The good old days I guess.

Found this on TES and TM. Found this interesting.

The detective said Fields rebuffed Miller’s suggestion he take a lie detector test,


http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/10/search_begins_for_missing_nj_w.html

Seems like TM is using Lie Detector Test more often.

jmo

[teresa]

I know what you mean. When the Laci case was big I couldn't wait for Greta and her panel to be on. The good old days I guess.

Found this on TES and TM. Found this interesting.

The detective said Fields rebuffed Miller’s suggestion he take a lie detector test,


http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/10/search_begins_for_missing_nj_w.html

Seems like TM is using Lie Detector Test more often.

jmo

Sure seems that way. I wonder if he will do this all the time now? In this case LE has only one suspect, a word they don't use with Misty. I'm not sure this it the way to go. I think TES should find missing people for the innocent ones how love them and let LE do the investigating. I know some don't agree but I won't be changing my mind.

I wonder if it is that TJ Ward LVA test he wants to do? That test is just not reliable. Thank you for the link. It's an interesting story and I hope they find that lady.

[Texas48]

So do you think that means that TN never asked LE? Obviously LE wouldn't know whether they had the item or not unless she asked? Strange as "Cummings speak" is it wouldn't surprise me one bit that a direct question and answer were not received. Even when she is on Nancy Grace she can't just give a straight answer. The logical emotion (albeit may be an unfair one) is that they would angry with Misty and blame her. I would think that would be the first reaction, and perhaps if you were dealing with someone who was in your family you would then try to get control of those first reactions which are to blame and calm down. But to say that Misty was the greatest "Mom" to the kids and they loved her just seems downright strange. It is human nature to want to blame someone first. Oh my goodness, i can't word this right. I know you will understand me:blushing:

LE did answer the question during a press release..so if TN asked LE the question doesn't really matter. LE answered.

Shauland said he had no idea what Neves was talking about, when authorities removed items as evidence a receipt for each item was issued to the family.

https://secure.townnews.com/shared-content/subscription/authenticate/index.php?mode=start&domain=palatkadailynews.com&usereg=&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.palatkadailynews.com%2F%2Fart icles%2F2009%2F03%2F06%2Fnews%2Fnews01.txt&discover=0&amex=0 (Archived Link)

[Texas48]

I bet they can feel your love ;) Every contributor to this forum == whether you consider them great or not == only wants to find HaLeigh JMT&OO.
Excellent point Clara. This isn't the first time a comment was made like this.
Each and every member that comes day after day *contributes* in some way and ALL are important IMO. Not just a few as suggested. and for ALL its becasue of a little girl gone missing. HaLeigh Ann-Marie Cummings.

There are 85 candles burning this morning for HaLeigh..:wub:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=HAMC

[Texas48]

I don''t post or lurk here enough to know if your "nobody is...." comment.

I don't know who has been banned or who has simply moved on or who has scaled back their commentary.


Why would Misty being 18 permit LE to behave in a manner that they haven't allowed toi previously? I am sure I am missing something that you know. I appreciate your insights.
Clara...IMO there is so little left to discuss in this case. Very frustrating for everyone that has been here day after day since the very beginning. I don't think its becasue posters were banned..most of the time they get a new nic and come right back. There just comes a time when there is nothing left. Even in the last few weeks the only reason HaLeigh's name was mentioned was due to Misty involved in RR or Misty *skipping* town or Misty involved in some type of Drug buy/911 call or the TM conflict. Basically nothing about HaLeigh and with LE NOT giving the public any of their info.....where does that leave us..? We have ALL gone around gathering up any little bit of information and even OLD info and bringing it to the board just to have something to discuss and eventually that runs out too. IMO..untill something breaks there will be less and less discussions or..untill one of the family members *makes the news headlines again*....Its sad this case has taken the path it did..but..it is what it is and there is nothing we can do to change it.
JMO and thoughts...:sad:

[CFMom]

I could never believe that after you have (I would think) fed, bathed and put a child to bed that you would know what they were wearing. She even says she covered Haleigh up. Second only to Misty's lies are Ron's non-answers and lack of any face-time with the press without glaring like a thug as he passes them. Man up Ron, get up and speak about your child, how you miss her, how her brother misses her, how people need to keep looking for her. Stop hiding. jmo

Im curious..a few posts before #138 you said this of Crystal:

Crystal doesn't really show alot of emotion so I can't really say much about her.

Why is Crystal allowed to sit emotionless, respond with no answers except she doesnt know because she didnt live close and pretty much get a free pass on her actions and you state Ron 'looks like a thug' 'glaring' non-answers' 'needs to man up' 'needs to get up and speak' and 'needs to stop hiding'...

It has appeared to me that Ron has spoken far more than Crystal. Has done far more interviews and has done quite a bit to keep his daughters picture and name in the media.

I am not sure Ron could please every one at this point. His every move is taken apart. Perhaps Ron's 'thug look' is how he looks and he cant help it. He answers perhaps what he can answer since he wasn't there when Haleigh went missing.

I feel bad for this family and pray the truth will come soon so all this can stop and Haleigh can have the justice she deserves.

[CFMom]

Excellent point Clara. This isn't the first time a comment was made like this.
Each and every member that comes day after day *contributes* in some way and ALL are important IMO. Not just a few as suggested. and for ALL its becasue of a little girl gone missing. HaLeigh Ann-Marie Cummings.

There are 85 candles burning this morning for HaLeigh..:wub:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=HAMC

Personally, I haven't been posting much due to health issues but have been trying to read as much as possible and its my opinion the only 'contributor's' missing are the ones who kept the thread locked.

Each person who is a member is a contributor and just as important as the other.

[dustyk]

Im curious..a few posts before #138 you said this of Crystal:

Crystal doesn't really show alot of emotion so I can't really say much about her.

Why is Crystal allowed to sit emotionless, respond with no answers except she doesnt know because she didnt live close and pretty much get a free pass on her actions and you state Ron 'looks like a thug' 'glaring' non-answers' 'needs to man up' 'needs to get up and speak' and 'needs to stop hiding'...

It has appeared to me that Ron has spoken far more than Crystal. Has done far more interviews and has done quite a bit to keep his daughters picture and name in the media.

I am not sure Ron could please every one at this point. His every move is taken apart. Perhaps Ron's 'thug look' is how he looks and he cant help it. He answers perhaps what he can answer since he wasn't there when Haleigh went missing.

I feel bad for this family and pray the truth will come soon so all this can stop and Haleigh can have the justice she deserves.

Seems you answered your own question Crystal didn't live close and she simply doesn't know!!!! Ronald started talking more and giving interviews after his new attorney came onboard he was quiet for months before, partying with his bride...the one LE said holds the key and many have to wonder why he did that.IMO

[CFMom]

Seems you answered your own question Crystal didn't live close and she simply doesn't know!!!! Ronald started talking more and giving interviews after his new attorney came onboard he was quiet for months before, partying with his bride...the one LE said holds the key and many have to wonder why he did that.IMO

Correct...LE feels Misty holds the key, not Ron. Saying he looks like a thug, and needs to man up helps Haleigh how? Ron says he was at work during the time she was missing..LE seems to believe this so I feel there is proof to his alibi..How can he answer what he doesn't know..same as Crystal?

Ron partied with his new bride?

[Lynn Gweeny]

Croslin said she found the shirt on Monday, when she was allowed back inside the doublewide mobile home for the first time since the disappearance. She was there to discuss the layout of the mobile home with investigators and was looking for the clothes Haleigh wore her last day at school.

She then saw the Hannah Montana shirt in a laundry pile by the back door. “When I put her blanket on she had that shirt on,” Croslin told the Times-Union on Wednesday.

She said she has no idea how the shirt wound up there.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-16/story/search_for_haleigh_scales_back

(fyi - the above article linked has been updated a number of times, the latest, September 24, 2009)


From the NG show, February 19:

GRACE: Explain to me the circumstances under which the pink pajama top was found. What do you know about that because that was a description Misty Croslin gave police and then suddenly she found the shirt. What happened?

SHEFFIELD: I was down talking to Ronald, me and my cousin drove down there. She was giving my son some birthday presents and a detective was down there and Ronald called me over there and the detective told me that they had found a shirt Haleigh was wearing.

And I broke down and then I walked away and Teresa (ph) walked over to me and was talking to me and the detective walked over and he was, like, did you know -- do you know what happened?

And she was, like, yes. And he was, like, you know that we found the shirt in the house. And that bothered me. And then today, this morning, I do believe it was, I got the paper from the store and it says that Misty found the shirt in the house, I guess, by the back door in the dirty clothes pile.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/19/ng.01.html

[Texas48]

Correct...LE feels Misty holds the key, not Ron. Saying he looks like a thug, and needs to man up helps Haleigh how? Ron says he was at work during the time she was missing..LE seems to believe this so I feel there is proof to his alibi..How can he answer what he doesn't know..same as Crystal?

Ron partied with his new bride?
Good morning CF....am sorry to know you aren't feeling well...You have been missed here on the board.
Everything you posted is true IMO. So many want Ron to *get up* and search non-stop for HaLeigh. All fingers point at Ron no matter what...How does anyone know what he does and doesn't do..? and as for partying with his bride statement....ppl run *out* of things to say and this is what comes out..? WHY..? I had to laugh the other day..I was out and about *reading* different sites and there was a discussion of post concerning the Maury Show and the way Ron's eye brows were arched..as if there was some hidden info to be seen in those brows...but the way they arched was an indication of *something*....Good Golly Miss Molly....I could only laugh and shake my head..again. These type of statements is what it has come down to..
My thoughts and opinions...

[Texas48]

Has any of you good ppl ever seen where it was said what clothes HaLeigh wore to school on that Monday before she went missing..? The *pink* shirt has always been mentioned as to what she was wearing for bedtime but I have never seen anything about her school clothes...
Anyone..?

[Texas48]

I pray for HaLeigh's sake LE wasn't that closed-minded from day 1. :ohmy:

HaLeigh could have very well been abducted.

We don't know and won't know until this sad case has been solved.
If in fact it ever is solved.

MOO
RR...Last night I had the same thoughts as you have this morning...
What..IF..Misty was indeed sleeping that night/morning..?
What..IF..Misty truly doesn't know any more than what she has said to LE..?
What..IF..Everyone has been focused on Misty just becasue LE has said she is the *key* to the timeline..?
What..IF..Everyone including LE has had *Tunnel Vision* from day 1..?
What IF..What IF..What IF..?

[Diamond1]

RR...Last night I had the same thoughts as you have this morning...
What..IF..Misty was indeed sleeping that night/morning..?
What..IF..Misty truly doesn't know any more than what she has said to LE..?
What..IF..Everyone has been focused on Misty just becasue LE has said she is the *key* to the timeline..?
What..IF..Everyone including LE has had *Tunnel Vision* from day 1..?
What IF..What IF..What IF..?


What IF....the crime scene is NOT the home at all?
What IF....what really happened to Haleigh happened somewhere else and that is what Misty and Ron are hiding?

[Texas48]

What IF....the crime scene is NOT the home at all?
What IF....what really happened to Haleigh happened somewhere else and that is what Misty and Ron are hiding?
OK..I am open to suggestions and opinions...anytime.

[Texas48]

Tim Miller/TES will be on the show this afternoon...

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage

[Unleashed]

OK..I am open to suggestions and opinions...anytime.

LOL here's a suggestion, tex.

What...IF... Ron and Misty aren't hiding anything and had nothing to do with it? I don't guess that's a consideration of the original poster you replied to.
JMO

[panman]

The "What IF's" will not change from posters until either Haleigh is found or LE has some concrete evidence and arrest someone, IMO.
But I would rather see "what if's" then flat out accusations.

[Texas48]

LOL here's a suggestion, tex.

What...IF... Ron and Misty aren't hiding anything and had nothing to do with it? I don't guess that's a consideration of the original poster you replied to.
JMO
A Good *What IF* you offered up Unleashed. One of the things in this case that keeps throwing me off is the cinder block...and the screen door propped open. WHY..?

[Diamond1]

LOL here's a suggestion, tex.

What...IF... Ron and Misty aren't hiding anything and had nothing to do with it? I don't guess that's a consideration of the original poster you replied to.
JMO

O course it was. In the beginning, but then LE said NO stranger abduction. And LE did not investigate the case as if a stranger came in the home and took her from her bed as she lay sleeping. It just did not happen that way. The scene was clearly staged. I don't believe anything happened in the home. I don't believe Misty put the children to bed at 8PM that night. I don't believe they were there at all. What ever happened to Haleigh happened somewhere else. And Ronald Cummings knows exactly what happen to Haleigh. IMO

[Texas48]

The "What IF's" will not change from posters until either Haleigh is found or LE has some concrete evidence and arrest someone, IMO.
But I would rather see "what if's" then flat out accusations.
Did Ron know he would be working *overtime* that night before he went to work or did he find out after he got to work..?
IF he had worked his *regular* shift he should have gotten off work at 12am..right? When did Misty find out about the overtime..? Did Ron call Misty and tell her about the extra hours after he was at work..?

[Unleashed]

The "What IF's" will not change from posters until either Haleigh is found or LE has some concrete evidence and arrest someone, IMO.
But I would rather see "what if's" then flat out accusations.

So would I, pan. Even the veiled ones are better than accusations.:thumbup:

jmo

[Texas48]

O course it was. In the beginning, but then LE said NO stranger abduction. And LE did not investigate the case as if a stranger came in the home and took her from her bed as she lay sleeping. It just did not happen that way. The scene was clearly staged. I don't believe anything happened in the home. I don't believe Misty put the children to bed at 8PM that night. I don't believe they were there at all. What ever happened to Haleigh happened somewhere else. And Ronald Cummings knows exactly what happen to Haleigh. IMO
TY for your post Diamond..IF Misty and the kids were not home where do you think they went..? They didn't have any transportation that I recall...would Misty have walked having 2 kids with her..? Its possibke..IMO. Both were old enough to walk on their own..she didn't have to carry one or the other..Did someone come by and pick them up..? Who..? Where did they go..? A party somewhere..? If there was a party I just can't imagine one of those ppl there wouldn't have said something by now...Unless..they could have ALL been charged with something..always a question..Huh..?

[panman]

So would I, pan. Even the veiled ones are better than accusations.:thumbup:

jmo

And this remark "And Ronald Cummings knows exactly what happen to Haleigh" is the kind I was referring to. I see the IMO, but its an accusation none the less without a bit of proof to even state it.
jmo

[Diamond1]

And this remark "And Ronald Cummings knows exactly what happen to Haleigh" is the kind I was referring to. I see the IMO, but its an accusation none the less without a bit of proof to even state it.
jmo

Due to his demeanor and his actions which are well documented, it is my opinion that he knows what happen.

[?noanswer]

TY for your post Diamond..IF Misty and the kids were not home where do you think they went..? They didn't have any transportation that I recall...would Misty have walked having 2 kids with her..? Its possibke..IMO. Both were old enough to walk on their own..she didn't have to carry one or the other..Did someone come by and pick them up..? Who..? Where did they go..? A party somewhere..? If there was a party I just can't imagine one of those ppl there wouldn't have said something by now...Unless..they could have ALL been charged with something..always a question..Huh..?

One would think JR would have told if they had gone somewhere and maybe he did. LE has not said what JR said when he was interviewed on the night Haleigh disappeared.

JMO

[panman]

Due to his demeanor and his actions which are well documented, it is my opinion that he knows what happen.

I have never been in his or others positions of having a child go missing, so I can't say what my demeanor or actions would be. But I have read others on here in a similar/same position and they couldn't believe the things they have said or done.
Give up some concrete evidence that points to him, and I will then re-think my thoughts on him or anyone that was involved in Haleigh being taken.
jmo

[Unleashed]

I have never been in his or others positions of having a child go missing, so I can't say what my demeanor or actions would be. But I have read others on here in a similar/same position and they couldn't believe the things they have said or done.
Give up some concrete evidence that points to him, and I will then re-think my thoughts on him or anyone that was involved in Haleigh being taken.
jmo

There isn't any. And LE apparently agrees. Ron is not a suspect.
It amazes me that posters are always throwing in 'I would never', or 'my child wouldn't, or 'that's not what I'd do' to strengthen arguments. Even if someone has been in the same position, no two people ever react the same way.

JMO

[titanfan217]

The door was standing open several inches and the screen door was propped open with a cinder block, but police say they're not sure what that means.

Not according to both Ron and Misty -- it was standing WIDE open

That sure bothers me so much


Amazing what Ron knows while he was at work. Everything he has reported needs to be reviewed to determine whether anything he said was fact or what.

[W_D_1]

Amazing what Ron knows while he was at work. Everything he has reported needs to be reviewed to determine whether anything he said was fact or what.




The only thing he reported was that he was at work. Police have verified that as fact. Everything else he has said is what he was told.

[Justice4all]

Fox News covers politics all day long. You would think they would let Greta keep to the legal issues for an hour. She is a lawyer.

jmo

They used to let Greta cover cases like Elizabeth Smart, Natalie Holloway and Stacy Peterson but for some reason the past year she's only been doing politics ( well she did cover Haleigh a few times )....I don't even watch her show much anymore.

[Justice4all]

Amazing what Ron knows while he was at work. Everything he has reported needs to be reviewed to determine whether anything he said was fact or what.

How many times does LE need to say they have verified Ron was at work?

Ron can only go by what he was told by Misty since he wasn't there.


MOO

[dustyk]

How many times does LE need to say they have verified Ron was at work?

Ron can only go by what he was told by Misty since he wasn't there.


MOO
But didn't ronald know from the beginning that the bed was made and that he made over 20 calls to Misty that she didn't answer because her phone was turned off. Why did he go along with her if he knew her story was false. Still curious if HC jr called ronald and told him that he went to the MH that night.JMO

[Justice4all]

But didn't ronald know from the beginning that the bed was made and that he made over 20 calls to Misty that she didn't answer because her phone was turned off. Why did he go along with her if he knew her story was false. Still curious if HC jr called ronald and told him that he went to the MH that night.JMO

you mean went along with Misty's story to the MEDIA? because we know behind the scenes he wasn't going along with it....

and yep i would love to know if Tommy called him back that night also. Some how i doubt it.

JMHO

[*Pia]

Amazing what Ron knows while he was at work. Everything he has reported needs to be reviewed to determine whether anything he said was fact or what.

I know people (and have been guilty of it myself) that have referred to an unlocked door as being 'open' or 'wide open'. One example being the car...When someone asks me if I left the car open I think they mean unlocked....It is just the way some people talk. Listen to Jeff Foxworthy sometimes. Some of the very words, phrases I have seen picked apart about this family, he has used in a joke.

[*Pia]

But didn't ronald know from the beginning that the bed was made and that he made over 20 calls to Misty that she didn't answer because her phone was turned off. Why did he go along with her if he knew her story was false. Still curious if HC jr called ronald and told him that he went to the MH that night.JMO

We still do not know what if anything Ron really said about a bed being made or not. LE has never confirmed that and Ron has never publicly (if at all) said it.

[W_D_1]

But didn't ronald know from the beginning that the bed was made and that he made over 20 calls to Misty that she didn't answer because her phone was turned off. Why did he go along with her if he knew her story was false. Still curious if HC jr called ronald and told him that he went to the MH that night.JMO


The articles said NOW Ron knew the bed was made. Those articles were written right after Ron was interviewed by police after the fight with Tommy. IMO the police said something that jogged Ron's memory.

As for the calls did Misty have a history of turning her phone off? If so it wouldn't have been unusual to Ron that he couldn't reach her. If that is the case it has nothing to do with "going along with her story".

[*Pia]

I will admit, that's bothered me forever. Did Misty wake up because she had to use the bathroom? What was wrong with the bathroom in the master bedroom? In one of the interviews did she say she started to use the bathroom then noticed the light in the kitchen?
Or did she wake up to get a drink of water?
Or did she wake up because of the light left on in the kitchen?

In every interview I have seen she said she got up to go to the bathroom, saw the light on and went straight to the kitchen. In at least one interview she even went as far to say that she never made it to the bathroom.

[W_D_1]

In every interview I have seen she said she got up to go to the bathroom, saw the light on and went straight to the kitchen. In at least one interview she even went as far to say that she never made it to the bathroom.


IIRC the police report is the source of her getting up to get a drink of water. Like you I've only seen her say she got up to go to the bathroom.

[*Pia]

IIRC the police report is the source of her getting up to get a drink of water. Like you I've only seen her say she got up to go to the bathroom.

Is this the same report that has Haleigh's sex as a male?

[W_D_1]

Is this the same report that has Haleigh's sex as a male?


One and the same.

[*Pia]

Thanks WD...you're welcome Elyssa....:smile:

To be totally honest, I don't know who or what to believe anymore. The only thing I know for sure is that a sweet little girl is missing and her family that loves her very much is hurting.

I no longer believe Crystal knows anything. Not only because of what I learned after meeting the family but also for the same reasons I don't think Misty knows anything. I also cannot see her not going to her after all this time....if she knew where she was.

[W_D_1]

Here's the narrative of the police report from a Tampa news site.


I then made contact with Misty Croslin, Ronalds girlfriend. Misty told me that she had put the children to bed at approximately 8pm. MIsty said that they were sleeping in HER BED, and when she laid down at around 10:30pm both children were still in bed. I asked MIsty who the other child was and she advised the other child was Haleighs brother. Misty old me that she woke up just before 3am to get a drink and she noticed that Haleigh was missing, however the OTHER child was still in bed. MIsty ran around the residence franticallly looking for haleigh and that she noticed the back door was stanfing open. MIsty said that she was sure the back door had been locked prior to her going to bed.

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/missing_haleigh_police_report_021609

I posted this link because it's easier to copy/paste from. Here's the link to the actual police report.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

[*Pia]

Thanks Elyssa and WD...There has been so many conflicting reports since day one. Until I started following the case in March (wedding), I thought both children were in bed with the babysitter...because that is what I was hearing on the news. It didn't help when all the 'clowns' showed up. jmo of course.

[W_D_1]

another link to the getting a drink of water comment.


http://www.staugustine.com/stories/100709/news_2053534.shtml


That part of the article is just recapping the police report.

[Unleashed]

How could you possibly be so convinced it didn't happen the way it's being told?

Unless you have privilege to REAL INFORMATION and not gut feelings there is no way to know for sure.
... At least anyway I can figure... :shrug:

Please share.

MOO

ITA, R*R. A non-stranger could be a relative, friend, or someone 'known' to the family who is a sex offender who has not been caught yet. There is absolutely NO indication that Ron is involved or knows who is.

jmo

[FoxySly]

Good morning CF....am sorry to know you aren't feeling well...You have been missed here on the board.
Everything you posted is true IMO. So many want Ron to *get up* and search non-stop for HaLeigh. All fingers point at Ron no matter what...How does anyone know what he does and doesn't do..? and as for partying with his bride statement....ppl run *out* of things to say and this is what comes out..? WHY..? I had to laugh the other day..I was out and about *reading* different sites and there was a discussion of post concerning the Maury Show and the way Ron's eye brows were arched..as if there was some hidden info to be seen in those brows...but the way they arched was an indication of *something*....Good Golly Miss Molly....I could only laugh and shake my head..again. These type of statements is what it has come down to..
My thoughts and opinions...

It's beyond strange IMO how EVERYTHING Ron does is dissected to the extreme.
The FACTS are that this Father keep these two precious Children since they were infants, went through the teething & potty training, kept a roof over their heads, food in their bellies, clothes on their backs, got HaLeigh off to school ect...

Yet he can't even move his eye brows without being viciously attacked.

But if you mention the FACTS in the court documents how crystal could not be bothered to get out of bed for 12 important doctor appointments, even the rescheduled ones while Ron worked, or that crystal admitted doing drugs while pregnant or even taking her Children on all the days available to her & didn't even bother paying the minimum amount of Child support that could be ordered (again court documents)...
These FACTS are considered bashing crystal.

Why wasn't crystal more involved in the raising of HER CHILDREN?
Why didn't crystal pay her minimum amount of Child support for HER CHILDREN?
Why didn't crystal take HER CHILDREN on all the days she could?
Why was crystal okay with someone else Mothering HER CHILDREN?
Why didn't crystal want to be a mom to HER 2 oldest CHILDREN?
Why didn't crystal try to do much of anything for HER 2 oldest CHILDREN?

Maybe to some those things they can identify with there by making excuses for what IMO in INEXCUSABLE.

Sly

~

[Justice4all]

ITA, R*R. A non-stranger could be a relative, friend, or someone 'known' to the family who is a sex offender who has not been caught yet. There is absolutely NO indication that Ron is involved or knows who is.

jmo

IMO If Ron was involved in Haleigh being missing Tim Miller would say something. So far i've never heard him utter one bad word about Ron.

[W_D_1]

:huh: So......I'm guessing you're saying that link shouldn't be posted. CW can delete it if she thinks that is TMI or too repetitive.


No that wasn't what I was saying. I was pointing out that the source was still the police report.

[Unleashed]

It's beyond strange IMO how EVERYTHING Ron does is dissected to the extreme.
The FACTS are that this Father keep these two precious Children since they were infants, went through the teething & potty training, kept a roof over their heads, food in their bellies, clothes on their backs, got HaLeigh off to school ect...

Yet he can't even move his eye brows without being viciously attacked.

But if you mention the FACTS in the court documents how crystal could not be bothered to get out of bed for 12 important doctor appointments, even the rescheduled ones while Ron worked, or that crystal admitted doing drugs while pregnant or even taking her Children on all the days available to her & didn't even bother paying the minimum amount of Child support that could be ordered (again court documents)...
These FACTS are considered bashing crystal.

Why wasn't crystal more involved in the raising of HER CHILDREN?
Why didn't crystal pay her minimum amount of Child support for HER CHILDREN?
Why didn't crystal take HER CHILDREN on all the days she could?
Why was crystal okay with someone else Mothering HER CHILDREN?
Why didn't crystal want to be a mom to HER 2 oldest CHILDREN?
Why didn't crystal try to do much of anything for HER 2 oldest CHILDREN?

Maybe to some those things they can identify with there by making excuses for what IMO in INEXCUSABLE.

Sly

~

Spot on as always, Sly.:thumbup:

And where is Crystal now? Ron has been on NG and Maury (where he had his eyebrow movements dissected, for crying out loud), trying to keep HaLeigh out there. Where is the mother of the year while he's out there?

[AmndaRcknwth]

Croslin said she found the shirt on Monday, when she was allowed back inside the doublewide mobile home for the first time since the disappearance. She was there to discuss the layout of the mobile home with investigators and was looking for the clothes Haleigh wore her last day at school.

She then saw the Hannah Montana shirt in a laundry pile by the back door. “When I put her blanket on she had that shirt on,” Croslin told the Times-Union on Wednesday.

She said she has no idea how the shirt wound up there.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-16/story/search_for_haleigh_scales_back

(fyi - the above article linked has been updated a number of times, the latest, September 24, 2009)


From the NG show, February 19:

GRACE: Explain to me the circumstances under which the pink pajama top was found. What do you know about that because that was a description Misty Croslin gave police and then suddenly she found the shirt. What happened?

SHEFFIELD: I was down talking to Ronald, me and my cousin drove down there. She was giving my son some birthday presents and a detective was down there and Ronald called me over there and the detective told me that they had found a shirt Haleigh was wearing.

And I broke down and then I walked away and Teresa (ph) walked over to me and was talking to me and the detective walked over and he was, like, did you know -- do you know what happened?

And she was, like, yes. And he was, like, you know that we found the shirt in the house. And that bothered me. And then today, this morning, I do believe it was, I got the paper from the store and it says that Misty found the shirt in the house, I guess, by the back door in the dirty clothes pile.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/19/ng.01.html

We need a THANK YOU Lynn Gweeny icon! You are super.

Going back to the early stuff, it sure does look like the whole Cummings family covered for more than beds and blankets.

If they'd not protected her, covered for her, would the cops have gotten answers from Misty, I wonder.

[FoxySly]

Spot on as always, Sly.:thumbup:

And where is Crystal now? Ron has been on NG and Maury (where he had his eyebrow movements dissected, for crying out loud), trying to keep HaLeigh out there. Where is the mother of the year while he's out there?


Thank you Unleashed, I have missed reading your posts.

My last sentence should read:
Maybe to some those things they can identify with there by making excuses for what IMO is INEXCUSABLE.

I will NEVER understand not wanting to Mother ones own Children!
That IMO is the greatest labor of love one is ever fortunate to receive.

Sly

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[FoxySly]

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It was such a GREAT ideal that someone came up with about using Hallow Eve as a chance to dress up, hiding their identity & taking HaLeigh somewhere safe to drop her off.
I prayed and lite so many candles last night for all.

But if HaLeigh is still alive (typing those words so hurt my heart) at her age she would be able to give a lot of information to LE, that even these keystone cops should be able to figure out.

I am not down on LE, in MOST cases they ROCK, but anyone who has followed true crime for even a few years KNOWS some are very blinded.
And even when they have proof to show other wise they take the CYA at all expense no matter how many lives are ruined in the wake of their lying cause.

This is going to be yet one more precious Child of thousands that never gets solved I am afraid.
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Sly

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[FoxySly]

I want to know if Ron ASKED him to return the call.


Yup, me too. And also if Ron asked him to go over there & check.

The truth, not all the BS from the rumor mills.

Sly

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[titanfan217]

But didn't ronald know from the beginning that the bed was made and that he made over 20 calls to Misty that she didn't answer because her phone was turned off. Why did he go along with her if he knew her story was false. Still curious if HC jr called ronald and told him that he went to the MH that night.JMO



There are a number of things that Ron stated or restated as fact. We don't know how many of those are false.

[CFMom]

What IF....the crime scene is NOT the home at all?
What IF....what really happened to Haleigh happened somewhere else and that is what Misty and Ron are hiding?

What IF... RON is INNOCENT?

[W_D_1]

There are a number of things that Ron stated or restated as fact. We don't know how many of those are false.


He restated what he had been told. No surprise really. Crystal did the same thing as did many others involved in this case and many other cases. In reality all a person can do is go by what they are told sometimes. No shame in that and definitely no guilt in it either.

[Justice4all]

I want to know if Ron ASKED him to return the call.

Yes ma'am me too....

[CFMom]

Why are you screaming?

lol...:laugh: In my world its called caps. Screaming requires using ones mouth and not a keyboard.

[tia marie]

lol...:laugh: In my world its called caps. Screaming requires using ones mouth and not a keyboard.

"In your world its called caps" Internet etiquitte says otherwise. FWIW!

Using all caps is considered yelling. And no one likes it.

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/1175321

[FoxySly]

lol...:laugh: In my world its called caps. Screaming requires using ones mouth and not a keyboard.

IMO screaming truths are a whole lot better than posting thousands & thousands of untruths from rumor mills over & over as if that some how will make the rumors magically become truths.

Sly

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[CFMom]

"In your world its called caps" Internet etiquitte says otherwise. FWIW!

Using all caps is considered yelling. And no one likes it.

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/1175321

Honesty...I don't care what it is considered.

[CFMom]

IMO screaming truths are a whole lot better than posting thousands & thousands of untruths from rumor mills over & over as if that some how will make the rumors magically become truths.

Sly

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I capped a couple words in my post. No clue why someone wants to make a deal of it. Others have done so with no one jumping them. Oh well. I'm here for Haleigh.

[FrankieBones1]

BM.......I know!! Gosh that would of been GREAT!!

Hi Foxy......long time no see. I got the flu real bad recently and just started coming back reading and posting. Do you or anyone here know if Tim was supposed to do a radio interview today??

TIA.........Sorry if this has already been covered.

Hi, Tree Tree. That's been all the news this weekend but I don't know if it actually panned out. I'm not familiar with that radio person who was going to do the interview.

[FrankieBones1]

You did NOTHING WRONG, just iggy them, they're NOT worth the aggravation & they get the board closed.

I was so very much hoping who ever stoled HaLeigh would release her at a safe location using Hallow Eve as their cover :sad:

Sly

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That would have been a great idea. If she is still alive, I doubt the person who has her will ever set her free. She could be in Mexico with family for all we know.

[*Pia]

Hi, Pia,
A police report that was seen online or a police report that the media put out?

The one that WD put up a couple of pages back was the original report and he/she (sorry WD, not sure of your gender) also put up a link to one of the news reports.

[teresa]

The articles said NOW Ron knew the bed was made. Those articles were written right after Ron was interviewed by police after the fight with Tommy. IMO the police said something that jogged Ron's memory.

As for the calls did Misty have a history of turning her phone off? If so it wouldn't have been unusual to Ron that he couldn't reach her. If that is the case it has nothing to do with "going along with her story".

I only remember articles that confirmed that they knew what Ron said according to Tim Miller. Do you know one that says he did say that himself? I'm curious because Tim said the bed was never made and then he said the bed was never slept in (unmade).

[Chica]

Right now taling about Elizabeth Olten....Tim Miller due on later

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/LeviPage/2009/11/02/True-Crime-Wrap-Up

[TaraCrazyHair]

Thanks to the devoted and informative Lynn, we have the right information about the pink shirt. :thumbup: Now we know that Haleigh didn't have the pink shirt on when she was taken out of her home by whoever took her. It doesn't appear that there's been confirmation that she even wore the pink shirt earlier that day. Did LE talk to Haleigh's school teacher, the air conditioner repairman, grandma, or anyone else who may have seen Haleigh that day?
Repeating myself, I want to know if that shirt was taken for forensic testing.



Has it ever been said what she wore to school that day?

I want to know if GMM said she had on a pink shirt when eating dinner on the porch

[TaraCrazyHair]

I only remember articles that confirmed that they knew what Ron said according to Tim Miller. Do you know one that says he did say that himself? I'm curious because Tim said the bed was never made and then he said the bed was never slept in (unmade).

That is a major discrepancy

So which is it?

[TaraCrazyHair]

SO?
My bed is unmade a lot of days and I have abducted no one.
I didn't know that automatically made me a suspect. :scared:

20 calls to a teen's phone is now a reason for guilt??
God lord! Where have I been not to know that?
I guess I need to call LE on my children...:ohmy:

Why would you say "Why did he go along with her if he knew her story was false."

May I ask WHO is saying this except for those who think Ron is hiding something?

Has LE even hinted anything of the sort? :confused:

MOO

I suppose the bigger question is .. was the bed made or unmade when LE got there?

[Mo.Gramma]

Still praying for Haleigh....:rose::rose:

[TaraCrazyHair]

From NG transcript
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From your link ---


TONY: He does know more than what he`s saying. What I found very amusing is that Misty loved this child so much, doesn`t know the birth date, doesn`t know the color of her hair, doesn`t know her weight, her height, and he continues to say, you let someone steal my kid.

-----> Exactly what i have said ... Misty said Haleigh had brown hair


SCHIAVO: The answer to that is no. She wouldn`t have seen it immediately, because the second door, the inside door closed automatically. The only theory that we have, and it`s only a theory, is maybe the inside door was propped open with some laundry that was on the floor, maybe holding it open. So that`s where we are with that.

-------------> My biggest problem ... the back door!!


I am not finding missing the pink shirt info though?

[W_D_1]

I only remember articles that confirmed that they knew what Ron said according to Tim Miller. Do you know one that says he did say that himself? I'm curious because Tim said the bed was never made and then he said the bed was never slept in (unmade).


The articles I read were on Steph Watts blog and Art's. Let see if I can find either one. Here it is...Ron told Tim that the bed was made according to Steph Watts. He also says the police confirmed it.

http://stephww.wordpress.com/2009/08/26/police-misty-cummings-holds-the-key-to-haleigh-cummings-dissapearance/

[TaraCrazyHair]

From NG transcript
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T.J. HART, PROGRAM & NEWS DIRECTOR, WSKY 97.3FM: She asked to take this polygraph in order to clear her name. They said the story had been inconsistent. Still some more inconsistencies arose from some of the stories she told them.

And one of them is with that timeline once again, where she claims she put Haleigh down at 8:00 p.m. and herself went to sleep at 10:00 to wake up abruptly at 3:00 to find Haleigh gone. Ronald Cummings says that bed was made, it didn`t appear that anybody had been to bed.



Their bed or Haleigh's?