DAVIDSON Sentencing 10/29 thru 11/3 [DEATH PENALTY]

[aubrey04]

Here we go...

[starbright]

Pictures, pictures. Let's view the autopsy photos again.:cursing:

[starbright]

Oh great, here's her son.:angry:

[luvmyboys]

Here we go...

present! :thumbsup: thanks for the new thread!

[Mandysmom]

:thumbsup: I made it!

[Roux]

Pictures, pictures. Let's view the autopsy photos again.:cursing:

I want the jury to see that photo annalyzer posted the other day.

[starbright]

I want the jury to see that photo annalyzer posted the other day.

What, the booking photo?

[starbright]

This one?


http://incogman.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/montage-knoxville3.jpg

[luvmyboys]

This one?


http://incogman.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/montage-knoxville3.jpg

:scared::scared:

[Roux]

This one?


http://incogman.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/montage-knoxville3.jpg

Yeah, that's the one! Wonder if Mrs. Rudd has seen it.

[DeeJay]

I think it's a great assumption the Rudds never visited davidson at the Chipman St. house.

Why not!

The Rudds wouldn't need to go thru channels, certain days & times to have visited him at Chipman.

[Mandysmom]

All this is showing me is that LD had so many people who tried to give him a normal life and help him.

He threw it away and never looked back. He had plenty of positive influences in life.

[anais2005]

So sad that he was given this chance and threw it away, seems he was given what many kids do not get, a private education, extra tuition, help to go to college if he chose, a lovely home to live in with two loving parents,

guess the lure of drugs and the street were too much, he need never robbed anything as this family appeared able to provide all he ever needed

[luvmyboys]

I think it's a great assumption the Rudds never visited davidson at the Chipman St. house.

Why not!

The Rudds wouldn't need to go thru channels, certain days & times to have visited him at Chipman.

hey dee you didn't take it bad when i asked you that question did you? i hope not i was just being goofy!!:wub:

[luvmyboys]

All this is showing me is that LD had so many people who tried to give him a normal life and help him.

He threw it away and never looked back. He had plenty of positive influences in life.

absolutely, i don't think the defense is seeing this.....

[young hippie]

where did they buy these people

[Details]

If it were my child, my family member - I'd in no way help them get away with the crime, I'd never attack the victim's family in any way at all, I wouldn't lie about who he was, what he did, they'd have no support from me in getting away with the crime - but - I could easily enough see myself asking for only his life, to be able to visit whatever little remained of the child I raised. Not to ever have him free again, but just to be alive.

I can sympathize with the family - so long as they are telling the truth.


He had so many chances, so many people, even good people trying to be there. It worked for some of his siblings - but he CHOSE a different path. It's his choice.

[Roux]

This is so redundant and I'm getting tired and grouchy.

It is what it is. He committed the crimes and if anyone deserves the death penalty, it is LD. Why should those people be spared grief and misery. The Newsoms and Christians have suffered far, far more.

[DeeJay]

hey dee you didn't take it bad when i asked you that question did you? i hope not i was just being goofy!!:wub:

Of course not.

I was just thinking, the RUDDS have more GALL to say what they're saying than davidson's family.

The RUDDS JUST LOVE davidson.

Do the RUDDS not know the crimes he's been found guilty of?

[aubrey04]

All this is showing me is that LD had so many people who tried to give him a normal life and help him.

He threw it away and never looked back. He had plenty of positive influences in life.

Yup. This backfired on the defense, IMO.. He had plenty of opportunities to make something out of his life... and decided to engage in a life of crime instead.

These people knew him 10 years ago... he obviously is a much different person now.

[in4infor]

he would not give him money but maybe a ride, seems he is not a very close brother then.

[luvmyboys]

Of course not.

I was just thinking, the RUDDS have more GALL to say what they're saying than davidson's family.

The RUDDS JUST LOVE davidson.

Do the RUDDS not know the crimes he's been found guilty of?

LEphew!!:wub:

[luvmyboys]

alrighty folks, leaving for the day, i'll seee you in .30 minutes!

[aubrey04]

Wow caught in a lie!!!

He was only out of prison for a few months from when he was released from the carjacking charge... until he was arrested for this murders of Chris and Channon..

He said he visited every few months after the first arrest/release from prison.....hmmmmm.

[in4infor]

Let's see they are against drugs and kick him out of the house and yet now they are standing by him for murder is this not messed up

[Mandysmom]

Well now Seth didn't wear red, but his cheek looks like it's been slapped and red. lol

[cog1]

Could Eldridge speak aaaaannnnyyyy slower? OMG aggro to me!

[starbright]

OMG the dad!!!:crying:

[Roux]

Oh good night.:cursing:
Enough already Eldridge!

[Mandysmom]

I wish the judge would say, Well Mr. and Mrs. Rudd, you can take Lemaricus home right now.

I'd love to see the look on their faces at the idea of taking their "son" home.

:scared:

[aubrey04]

Well now Seth didn't wear red, but his cheek looks like it's been slapped and red. lol

I noticed that as well... like this --> :blushing:

[starbright]

"He's Marcus to me." How about raper, killer, defiler?:cursing:

[Breakingnews]

Let's see they are against drugs and kick him out of the house and yet now they are standing by him for murder is this not messed up

I know. Maybe they're big anti-death penalty people.

[in4infor]

How many more Rudd's are there?

[Details]

Let's see they are against drugs and kick him out of the house and yet now they are standing by him for murder is this not messed upThey did the right thing to kick him out of the house, they tried to raise him right. He chose a different path, but it's not a bad thing for them to still want him alive, rather than dead. He may not deserve life - but I see nothing wrong in them asking for it.

LWOP does keep the public safe. He deserves the DP - but I can see why his family of course would like it if he got LWOP. And since their pleas are not to free him, I don't see a problem.

[starbright]

How many more Rudd's are there?


Too many already.

[DeeJay]

lawdy! another RUDD! Hope they aren't going to call the other 3 Rudds to the stand. :rolleyes:

[anais2005]

this is redundant now, we have heard more than enough about the Rudds, we know they gave him a chance to make something of his life and he threw it back in there faces and went on to rob, murder, torture, rape two innocent kids,

do they ever think that they had a lucky escape, I know there faith means they will not turn away from him, but they must have had the thought that if he is capable of doing this to CC and CN maybe we were lucky,

[Staceylee]

Of course not.

I was just thinking, the RUDDS have more GALL to say what they're saying than davidson's family.

The RUDDS JUST LOVE davidson.

Do the RUDDS not know the crimes he's been found guilty of?

they need to ask how they would feel about him if he did to there son what was done to Chris and Channon.

[Roux]

I know. Maybe they're big anti-death penalty people.

I'll bet they drive a Volvo and wear Birkenstocks. :tonguewag:

(No offense to any poster who does though.)

Wonder what Mr. Rudd does for a living...could he be an attorney?

[toyguytn]

"Next your honor we'd like to call NASCAR driver Ricky Rudd to the stand, and then comedy actor Paul Rudd will be our last witness." :thumbup:

[starbright]

Mr. Rudd thinks he is still "redeemable".:mad:

[anais2005]

bet Gary would have a few choice words to say to the Rudds if he could,

[Breakingnews]

after the "he's redeemable" Mr. Rudd is officially a sucker in my book now.

[starbright]

Does Mr. Rudd realize what a failure he is?

[annalyzer]

This is so redundant and I'm getting tired and grouchy.

It is what it is. He committed the crimes and if anyone deserves the death penalty, it is LD. Why should those people be spared grief and misery. The Newsoms and Christians have suffered far, far more.

I usually would be just as happy with LWOP but this monster would love it. He would be in a gang and go around raping. He is into that.

[young hippie]

were these people threatened with bodily harm if they did not come and say this stuff or were they paid

[in4infor]

The Rudd's are just not doing it for me. I cannot see giving him LWOP over the DP because this family loved him and still do.

[jakee]

Not redeemable by any stretch IMO, but remember these are devout Christians... they believe in redemption.

I kinda feel sorry for them. :sad:

I do too. :sad:

[Roux]

These good intentioned people are SOOOO misguided. Have the Rudds or the elderly math tutor seen the autopsy photos? Are they aware of the terrible circumstances of LD's crime?

I surely hope the jury is not falling for this crap.

[anais2005]

what I want to know if the Rudds biological kids had ever been caught with drugs would they be out the door like LD was, imo seems the rules were not the same for him as for there own kids, as I can't see them kicking there own sons out so quickly or easily

[DeeJay]

they need to ask how they would feel about him if he did to there son what was done to Chris and Channon.

ITA. I wonder why the pros have not asked that of all the ppl that "love" davidson.

[grammaw]

Boy,now we really know how far these defense lawyers will go!Pathetic!

[annalyzer]

what I want to know if the Rudds biological kids had ever been caught with drugs would they be out the door like LD was, imo seems the rules were not the same for him as for there own kids, as I can't see them kicking there own sons out so quickly or easily

They bent over backwards for a complete stranger. He wasn't their son.

[cog1]

This has gone above and beyond if you ask me. (I know you didn't but...)

The jury is not buying this and the people in the courthouse need a RICOLA!!! Now pleezzee!!

AMOO

[jakee]

These good intentioned people are SOOOO misguided. Have the Rudds or the elderly math tutor seen the autopsy photos? Are they aware of the terrible circumstances of LD's crime?

I surely hope the jury is not falling for this crap.

I don't think this family will have any bearing on what the Jury decides. If anything, they will feel bad that the family was so wrong about Gutter, that is probably it. IMO

[DeeJay]

They bent over backwards for a complete stranger. He wasn't their son.

You nailed it. :biggrin:

[anais2005]

They bent over backwards for a complete stranger. He wasn't their son.

they think of him as there son, that was there testimony,

and they will continue to think this of him and continue to keep in touch with there son whilst he serves his latest jail sentence

[starbright]

Wonder if they showed this tutor (on video tape) the autopsy photos?

[SpyGirl]

This has gone above and beyond if you ask me. (I know you didn't but...)

The jury is not buying this and the people in the courthouse need a RICOLA!!! Now pleezzee!!

AMOO

LOL! Hilarious!

[Breakingnews]

I don't think their presence here is any indication that they weren't horrified by the crimes this montster committed.

They consider themselves his family and are pleading for his life. (not his release)

After hearing Mr. Rudd's comment about Letalvis being evil, I suspect they've put the blame on him. Probably in deep denial that they're Marcus could be the ring leader of these horrific crimes.

[Roux]

Not redeemable by any stretch IMO, but remember these are devout Christians... they believe in redemption.

I kinda feel sorry for them. :sad:

I believe in redemption too, but I also believe in being held accountable for your actions.

LD has refused to take the stand to explain himself during this phase, has expressed no remorse, has not asked forgiveness. To me, he's the worst of the worst and deserves the death penalty.

[DeeJay]

As per ususal, the victims are getting lost in all this tripe.

[Details]

The Rudd's are just not doing it for me. I cannot see giving him LWOP over the DP because this family loved him and still do.Me either. Every family loves their children, I don't think there's a killer around who wasn't loved by his mother, father, surrogate mothers and fathers, someone during their life. That doesn't change anything.

I understand them asking for LWOP - but I don't think their requests should have any weight at all.

[cog1]

After hearing Mr. Rudd's comment about Letalvis being evil, I suspect they've put the blame on him. Probably in deep denial that they're Marcus could be the ring leader of these horrific crimes.

I guess I'm zoning out over here because I didn't hear that comment. Wow! Why did he think Letalvis was evil?

I think I had that same drawn look that Baum had on his face. OMG will this ever be over with. Complete Waste!

TIA

[anais2005]

the Dr next, to tell us the Bi polar diagnosis, and possibly to blame his crimes on the drugs his mother may have taken whilst he was in the womb, and to blame the crimes on his crack ***** mother and her abuse of him in his childhood, along similar lines as LC I guess

I do think childhood abuse has a huge part to play in our adult makeup and behaviour, not to excuse it but to explain why some people do what they do,

[grammaw]

Poor old lady,she probably has no idea of the facts and acts on these two victims

[Breakingnews]

Wonder if the Memphis sisters all showed up and threw LD under the bus at the Cobbins trial because they knew the foster parents would show for LD.

[Breakingnews]

I guess I'm zoning out over here because I didn't hear that comment. Wow! Why did he think Letalvis was evil?

I think I had that same drawn look that Baum had on his face. OMG will this ever be over with. Complete Waste!

TIA

He said something like Letalvis just struck him as evil when he met him.

[starbright]

Come on people!! Remember Channon and Chris. Don't let all this hypocritical BS get in the way of JUSTICE. He deserve the DP. If anyone ever deserved it, he does. These do-gooders failed him. They failed themselves. There was no getting thru to this POS. He raped, tortured and killed two very promising, bright young people who would have done their parents proud. Let's give him what he deserves. Since we can't rape him anally and shove a table leg up him, and rape him orally, let's just give him the DP.

Thank you.

[september]

Let's see they are against drugs and kick him out of the house and yet now they are standing by him for murder is this not messed up

How amazingly insightful and succinct. That's exactly what the Rudds testimony boils down to.

So great to be in the company of such astute posters

[cog1]

He said something like Letalvis just struck him as evil when he met him.

Oh thank you I surely did miss that. Maybe I need some cough med's but, I'm not coughing, oh well! LOL

[Breakingnews]

Cog, here from yvette/wbir.

Rudd said he met Letalvis Cobbins and felt uncomfortable around him and felt he was evil #cntrial
23 minutes ago from web

[aubrey04]

After hearing Mr. Rudd's comment about Letalvis being evil, I suspect they've put the blame on him. Probably in deep denial that they're Marcus could be the ring leader of these horrific crimes.

Yup, I was thinking the same thing. Letalvis defenders claim that it was Davidson who bullied him and got him involved in this crime... seems like this family might feel like it was Letalvis who was to blame.

They're all equally to blame here, but I still think Slim was the ringleader of this...

but this is the second time we have heard that Letalvis was mean during this trial... of course, the other person who stated it was Ethel Lynn Freeman, who is about as unreliable as they come.. but still..

[cog1]

Cog, here from yvette/wbir.

Rudd said he met Letalvis Cobbins and felt uncomfortable around him and felt he was evil #cntrial
23 minutes ago from web

Really sad how the boys turned out so horrible but the girls seem to have done okay.

It is sad to me that LD truly had so many great opportunities and just decided to be evil.

Sad! :sad:

[jakee]

Poor old lady,she probably has no idea of the facts and acts on these two victims

Was there any reaction out of Gutter when this old lady or the Rudd's took the stand?

[anais2005]

LD appears to have had a very different life in many respects than I ever imagined, he went to boys home when he was in early teens, so left the family home and that life, then he went to live with a white very middle class family, then he committed his carjacking and robbery and spent the next few years in jain, he was only out for about 6 mnths before this crime,

not the kind of life I ever imagined him living, the life in the boys home and with the foster family is very similar to CC and CN home life,

I imagined him running round with his homies in a gang committing crimes, not living like this, with kids like Seth and the Rudds,

[cdan37]

Mr Rudd is or was adminstraror of the Jackson Clinic. I'm not saying thats good or bad but thats what he did for a living.

[Staceylee]

You know what, I had to turn it off. they are driving me crazy with this carp. He is the lowest form of a human being who had chances to make something of himself but chose not to. Let him fry and lets go on to the next one and be done with it. Geez.... sorry for the ranting but it really is more than I can take.

Do they really think after seeing what he did to Chris and Shannon that they care one bit about him. I do not think so....

[Breakingnews]

LD appears to have had a very different life in many respects than I ever imagined, he went to boys home when he was in early teens, so left the family home and that life, then he went to live with a white very middle class family, then he committed his carjacking and robbery and spent the next few years in jain, he was only out for about 6 mnths before this crime,

not the kind of life I ever imagined him living, the life in the boys home and with the foster family is very similar to CC and CN home life,

I imagined him running round with his homies in a gang committing crimes, not living like this, with kids like Seth and the Rudds,

I thought they were all homeless and living on the streets after Aunt Rose died. Where was LeTalvis living when Lemaricus was in the group home, the Rudds and the coach's place?

[DeeJay]

Ms Fitzpatrick most certainly has a cold. I can tell by her voice since this morning. :sad:

She caught a virus from all the inconsiderate coughers and hackers these past week, spewing bacteria all over the courtroom. :mad:

"Cough into your sleeve...at the bend of the arm."

It prevents the spread of bacteria and also muffles the sound!

[anais2005]

I thought they were all homeless and living on the streets after Aunt Rose died. Where was LeTalvis living when Lemaricus was in the group home, the Rudds and the coach's place?

I had that impression too, seems LD got the breaks as LC never went to the boys home, or got fostered, he pretty much raised himself and was on his own supporting himself any way he could

LD had as good a life as he could wish for prior to him committiing his first car jacking, the Rudds were good people giving him a good life, guess he thought it wasn't good enough

[anais2005]

there are some nervous twitches in that courtroom, judge jingles his coins, TK clicks her pen

[aubrey04]

Trant and Slim were just huddled up, whispering and chuckling... :rolleyes:

[FindtheLost]

I'm back. Looks like I missed the Rudds.

[anais2005]

Dr Brown, pychiatrist up now, closings will now be tomorrow

[martha]

is there anything going on now? or they in court now? I was wanting to watch if they were in cout on live stream now.thanks everyone.Jmho:wub:

[DeeJay]

There are ppl that can never be redeemed...b/c they inheirited the BAD genes from one or both parents.

I think that's true in this case, as well as cobbins. The boys got all the bad genes. No amount of intervention will ever make the boys do good.

Whereas, the girls have faired very well in their lives.

Also, a lot has to do with determination to be successful. It appears the girls had more drive in that direction. Determined not to follow in their mother & grandmother's footsteps.

[Breakingnews]

is there anything going on now? or they in court now? I was wanting to watch if they were in cout on live stream now.thanks everyone.Jmho:wub:

Yes it's in session. Dr. Brown is up.

[jakee]

is there anything going on now? or they in court now? I was wanting to watch if they were in cout on live stream now.thanks everyone.Jmho:wub:

They are in court now, defense witnesses. Did you miss the victim impact statement? so sad.

http://www.wbir.com/video/breakingvideo.aspx

[grammaw]

There are ppl that can never be redeemed...b/c they inheirited the BAD genes from one or both parents.

I think that's true in this case, as well as cobbins. The boys got all the bad genes. No amount of intervention will ever make the boys do good.

Whereas, the girls have faired very well in their lives.

Also, a lot has to do with determination to be successful. It appears the girls had more drive in that direction. Determined not to follow in their mother & grandmother's footsteps.

Frankly,I don't give a good rats azz,how many people that parade up there,old ladies that taught him in grade school,or anyone else.He had a chance in life,and he chose the low-life road,bottom line!He needs the DP from the get-go!!

[Roux]

What about Mormon families who have large numbers of children? All that I have known have been admirable.

This doctor is just presenting generalities and things anyone knows who has ever watched Dateline, 48 Hrs, etc. about killers.

[aubrey04]

is there anything going on now? or they in court now? I was wanting to watch if they were in cout on live stream now.thanks everyone.Jmho:wub:

Good to see you, sweet, sweet martha... :wub: A psychiatrist is testifying for the defense right now.

Here is the link:

http://www.wbir.com/video/breakingvideo.aspx

[Details]

Frankly,I don't give a good rats azz,how many people that parade up there,old ladies that taught him in grade school,or anyone else.He had a chance in life,and he chose the low-life road,bottom line!He needs the DP from the get-go!!I think they help the prosecution - makes it clear that he had every possible chance - and made a different choice.

[DeeJay]

Frankly,I don't give a good rats azz,how many people that parade up there,old ladies that taught him in grade school,or anyone else.He had a chance in life,and he chose the low-life road,bottom line!He needs the DP from the get-go!!

I w/ya & I hear ya.....these witnesses are so redundant and useless. I don't think any one of them has followed this case nor have they read a word about the severity of the crimes of what davidson has been found guilty of.

This shrink is not going to be any help to that POS either. Just wait for the cross exam.....waiting......(tap, tap, tap).

[jakee]

I think they help the prosecution - makes it clear that he had every possible chance - and made a different choice.

I so agree. The defense helped the Pros. more. I can't believe he had all these chances with such caring people and he just ruined it all. It makes him look even more pathetic and nobody to feel sorry for.

[DeeJay]

What about Mormon families who have large numbers of children? All that I have known have been admirable.

This doctor is just presenting generalities and things anyone knows who has ever watched Dateline, 48 Hrs, etc. about killers.

Yep and I haven't missed any of those programs. :biggrin:

[Breakingnews]

I think they help the prosecution - makes it clear that he had every possible chance - and made a different choice.

I agree. I thought he was homeless after Aunt Rose died, fending for himself anyway he could. But to find out that he was living the good life with the Rudd's, that testimony will backfire on the defense.

Maybe this is Trant's way of still trying to point the finger at Letalvis & the gang from Kentucky as the real culprits..

[grammaw]

I don't know if any of these jurors have had it rough in life,if they did,I'm sure that will make them think hard.I know I had a rough life(not really),but my parents(God Love Em)were from the old South,they absolutely spared the rod,there was 6 of us,we're all pretty good,no criminals among us.Nowadays,a rough life is when they hear the word "No"

[DeeJay]

I want to hear Dr. Brown s'plain why davidson did what he did to Channon & Chris. Start to finish.

[martha]

Good to see you, sweet, sweet martha... :wub: A psychiatrist is testifying for the defense right now.

Here is the link:

http://www.wbir.com/video/breakingvideo.aspxOh thank you all for being so sweet to me yes I have missed all of it today.I just don;t understand why people want to get up there and say he is so nice and good. look what he did.I bet Gary would love to tell them what he thinks about him and all the other.jmho:wub:

[Mandysmom]

Good grief, with the hundreds of thousands of kids who come backgrounds with these risk factors, drug abuse, no father, sexual abuse, no school or direction, we need to just lock ourselves up for protection.

There would be no hope if most of them are going to turn out like LC and LD.

All I have to do is watch Maury and know that much. :rolleyes:

[martha]

I want to hear Dr. Brown s'plain why davidson did what he did to Channon & Chris. Start to finish.do you really think this doc can tell us why I don;t think anyone could tell me why someone would do something like they did to those children.there is no reason to treat another human being like they did channon and chris.jmho:wub:

[Roux]

Well, there you go...he should NOT be doing extremely well if he gets life. If he's doing extremely well, he's not being punished.

And didn't he beat up Daphne?

[aubrey04]

Well, there you go...he should NOT be doing extremely well if he gets life. If he's doing extremely well, he's not being punished.

And didn't he beat up Daphne?

Yes, he beat her a few times. Plus he stuck a gun in Stacy Lawson's face...

This makes me sick... let's get on with it.. this loser isn't redeemable in any way shape or form. He had a second chance and not only messed up again (after only a few months of freedom)--- but his crime/violence escalated.

[DeeJay]

Well, there you go...he should NOT be doing extremely well if he gets life. If he's doing extremely well, he's not being punished.

And didn't he beat up Daphne?

He most certainly did and she realizes she was lucky to have gotten out with her life, after she found out about Channon & Chris' fate. Only 2 days after Daphne left.

[Roux]

Interesting that the Rays haven't appeared. :confused: Perhaps they're not as forgiving as the Rudds?

[DeeJay]

Average intelligence.

No organic brain disorder or malfunction at birth.....hmmmm...guess mom gave up the heavy drug usage when she was pregnant. Apparently with all the kids. Haven't heard any of them were born with brain disorders.

[logbump]

She was 15 when she had LD...not pickled yet.

[grammaw]

These psych's,sometimes I wonder.My ex-daughter-in-law(who I thought highly of died recently and my son and her have a 12 yold,her parents want to keep her,they hired a psychiatrist for her and he said"it was too soon for her to go to my son's custody,but the grandparents sold their home days after her death and moved and immediately moved into ex-daughter-in-law her home where my Granddaughter found her Mother dead(Sorry,but true)but that's okay with him,Go figure

[kellann62]

OMG!

Kel

[DeeJay]

She was 15 when she had LD...not pickled yet.

She was 15 when she gave birth to Misha....LD was born second....mom was 16 at that time...she had been heavy into drugs since age 14, per Misha's testimony in cobbins.

Mother was 17 when she gave birth to Letalvis Cobbins. She left a short time after that. Leaving the little ones behind.

[Nascargal]

thank goodness I was so bored:sleep:

[jakee]

so he doesn't know right from wrong when he is on drugs, is that what we got out of this? And he will do real well in a structured environment. I kind of got bored and my mind trailed off.

[Nascargal]

Interesting that the Rays haven't appeared. :confused: Perhaps they're not as forgiving as the Rudds?

there ya go

[Breakingnews]

There's an awful lot of pot smokers and coke heads in the US and they all aren't out committing murder, rape and kidnapping. So baloney on the doc's blame it on the addiction.

[annalyzer]

so he doesn't know right from wrong when he is on drugs, is that what we got out of this? And he will do real well in a structured environment. I kind of got bored and my mind trailed off.

Drugs don't make you forget right from wrong. :rolleyes:

[kellann62]

Goodness! Are they just pulling people out of hats?:angry: I can't believe they rounded up all these folks to speak on his behalf. Wasnt it 3 relatives and the rest are good christian people. I bet even LD feels like enough already, I fixin to lose my street and prison cred.:mad:

Kel

[Nascargal]

so he doesn't know right from wrong when he is on drugs, is that what we got out of this? And he will do real well in a structured environment. I kind of got bored and my mind trailed off.

What was the jury question do you know I can not remember other than something about did drinking or drugs I think

[jakee]

What was the jury question do you know I can not remember other than something about did drinking or drugs I think

I think they asked if he knew right from wrong when on drugs?

How come this family got to visit him in jail and the other Foster family said they couldn't because they were Foster parents?

[Hedda Lettis]

Kel :laugh: No wonder we couldn't get past page 27. No one was there but us.

What we were talking about .. Mustard greens, cornbread and field peas.

Darnit, I made what was likely the longest post I've ever made on IS, and no one saw it but you, lolol!

[starbright]

Do these people not realize how they failed this man? They are killin' me.
"He does so well under structured environment." I'm sorry, I can't listen to any more and I can't watch any more. These people should be so embarrassed to get on the stand and talk about how they helped him and how he lived with them and how much they love him. Again, I would like to ask any and all of them: Will you let him be alone with your daughter or son, or some other young white woman or man?

[Nascargal]

I wonder if any of these people have sit in the courtroom and looked at the pictures of the torture this creature did to these 2 kids show them the pictures and see if they cry for the victims.

[annalyzer]

I wonder if any of these people have sit in the courtroom and looked at the pictures of the torture this creature did to these 2 kids show them the pictures and see if they cry for the victims.

they disgust me :thumbdown:

[logbump]

If LD can't get up there and speak for himself I don't think this is going to work.

[Breakingnews]

they disgust me :thumbdown:

I don't understand them. None of them actually lived with him for very long. I've had roommates that I've lived with longer and I don't feel any deep bond with them.

[annalyzer]

finally over. :thumbdown:

[DeeJay]

Ms Frizgerald shook some of her cold and had Mrs. Ray on the hook and wouldn't let go!!

[DeeJay]

Ms Frizgerald shook some of her cold and had Mrs. Ray on the hook and wouldn't let go!! :thumbsup:

Popping one question after another at her.

[DeeJay]

I don't understand them. None of them actually lived with him for very long. I've had roommates that I've lived with longer and I don't feel any deep bond with them.

And Mrs. Ray has only visited him once in jail these past 2-1/2 yrs. That was only a few weeks ago.

[jakee]

Kel :laugh: No wonder we couldn't get past page 27. No one was there but us.

What we were talking about .. Mustard greens, cornbread and field peas.

Darnit, I made what was likely the longest post I've ever made on IS, and no one saw it but you, lolol!

lol copy and paste it over here! Or I guess I could go read it over there. :biggrin:

[kellann62]

Hedda!! Too funny! We both were going on and on. Damn! Pass me some cornbread!

Kel

[Breakingnews]

And Mrs. Ray has only visited him once in jail these past 2-1/2 yrs. That was only a few weeks ago.

He's a big old con artist, IMO. He lined himself up some nice, well off people to snooker and worked for all it's worth.

[Nascargal]

Kel :laugh: No wonder we couldn't get past page 27. No one was there but us.

What we were talking about .. Mustard greens, cornbread and field peas.

Darnit, I made what was likely the longest post I've ever made on IS, and no one saw it but you, lolol!

I was and thought everyone fell asleep

[grammaw]

And Mrs. Ray has only visited him once in jail these past 2-1/2 yrs. That was only a few weeks ago.

That's what I mean,they don't really want anything to do with him.Probably just against the DP,but if it was their children,then what?

[kellann62]

I was thinking the same thing Gal! Well, at least the love fest for LD is over. I swear I was just about to jump in the ole car and drive to Knoxville to throw in my 2 cents. Geez:sneaky:

Kel

[Nascargal]

If LD can't get up there and speak for himself I don't think this is going to work.

I hope not FGS I was so angry after Cobbins trial I dont think I can handle another one

[DeeJay]

He's a big old con artist, IMO. He lined himself up some nice, well off people to snooker and worked for all it's worth.

That's exactly what he is, among other evil things, he's a master con man and folks like the Rays and Rudds dont know when they've been snookerd, to this day.

Oh....they love him...he's their son. barf

[DeeJay]

That's what I mean,they don't really want anything to do with him.Probably just against the DP,but if it was their children,then what?

Yeah, easy to tell when no tradgey has touched the lives of those testifying and not wanting the dp for him.

Those folks need to know the entire story and see the autopsy photos. Might just jerk them into reality.

[Nascargal]

I think they asked if he knew right from wrong when on drugs?

How come this family got to visit him in jail and the other Foster family said they couldn't because they were Foster parents?

Oh jakee good question maybe they dont send him X-mas gifts and commissary money so he did not put them on the list until now

[DeeJay]

I think they asked if he knew right from wrong when on drugs?

How come this family got to visit him in jail and the other Foster family said they couldn't because they were Foster parents?

Likely the Rays knew LD had to put them on the visitor's list. They talked to him by phone and asked him to put them on the list. That's why the Rays weren't turned away. Also knew the days & times of jail visitations.

[Hedda Lettis]

lol copy and paste it over here! Or I guess I could go read it over there. :biggrin:

Thank you, I believe I will... Might never write that much at one time again. :)

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#1064 10-29-2009, 03:42 PM
Hedda Lettis
Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 88

I read at a news site online that the defense attys are making noises after the verdict (I don't have a link) about the makeup of the jury being all white. I didn't know that, but if the jury is all white, the defense early on had a chance to make some choices as to jurors and I'd bet there were some black people in the jury pool. Is this a strategy to have an all-white jury and then complain about it after the verdict goes the wrong way for them, as they surely knew that it would? Just set-up on their part from the beginning?

I don't know about the rest of you, or the jurors, but what these thugs did to Chris and Channon makes me so MAD that I don't even think about what color they are.

Given the enormity of what was done to Chris and Channon, I don't think color of skin has any importance at all, and shouldn't be given consideration by anyone.

Thuggo's "character?" witnesses only seem to be underlining that he was exposed to good, had potential for good, and chose the other way. His choice.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~

I get so angry when I think about the horrible acts committed, that I just had to express it.

Didn't any of LD's witnesses watch any of the news reports or look at any parts of the trial that appeared online? Unreal!!

[Hedda Lettis]

Do these people not realize how they failed this man? They are killin' me.
"He does so well under structured environment." I'm sorry, I can't listen to any more and I can't watch any more. These people should be so embarrassed to get on the stand and talk about how they helped him and how he lived with them and how much they love him. Again, I would like to ask any and all of them: Will you let him be alone with your daughter or son, or some other young white woman or man?

Prison is a structured environment...So, he can do well until he reaches the end of his appeals. His dear friends should be gratified at that.

[DeeJay]

Hi guys...Anybody have the live feed//my puter is taking forever..TYIA
LMS

Ended for today. Back in the morning for closings and jury instructions.

[DeeJay]

There are some video replays from today here:

http://www.wbir.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=46922523001#/Local%20News/Web%20Extra%3A%20Mother%27s%20victim%20impact%20st atement/44024439001/39627146001/46922523001

[luvmyboys]

Guys it's me!!! Leluv. I'm on my way to Massachusetts and reading volunteer tv. There was
breaking news about a mistake from the prison and although cobbins is in medium security he is in lockdown for 23 hours. I'm using my iPhone so I can't give a link.

[aubrey04]

All today proved to me is that Lemaricus had plenty of people who loved him. Provided him a home and tried to teach him morals and right from wrong.. and how to love and care about other human beings.. And he did the exact opposite of what he was taught.

He seemed to have a lot better of a childhood than Letalvis, who was basically homeless from an early age.

For me, the defense just highlighted the reasons why he deserves the death penalty. He was given all the tools to succeed in life. He was given a second chance after his first (adult) prison stint and fell right back into drug dealing and robbing people at gunpoint.

Then progressed to a sadistic, torturing, murdering rapist. I really hope the jury gives him the DP, because he deserves NOTHING less.

[logbump]

Here's what Luv refers to.
http://www.volunteertv.com/home/headlines/67338962.html

[aubrey04]

Guys it's me!!! Leluv. I'm on my way to Massachusetts and reading volunteer tv. There was
breaking news about a mistake from the prison and although cobbins is in medium security he is in lockdown for 23 hours. I'm using my iPhone so I can't give a link.

Thanks for the info. That is good to hear, but I bet in a few years time (or less) he will get to hang in general population..probably smoke weed (like Slim did while he was in jail)...play games/cards/work out/watch TV with other prisoners..all day, every day on tax payer dollars...

barf

[Roux]

Thanks for the info. That is good to hear, but I bet in a few years time (or less) he will get to hang in general population..probably smoke weed (like Slim did while he was in jail)...play games/cards/work out/watch TV with other prisoners..all day, every day on tax payer dollars...

barf

That just made me think of Richard Speck. Did you see that bootleg video that showed him in prison. He was laughing about how good he had it, including sex and drugs.

[Roux]

That's exactly what he is, among other evil things, he's a master con man and folks like the Rays and Rudds dont know when they've been snookerd, to this day.

Oh....they love him...he's their son. barf

Since I had to leave the board at 5, looks like I missed Ms. Ray's testimony but deduce that it was just more of the same. :mad:

[Breakingnews]

Since I had to leave the board at 5, looks like I missed Ms. Ray's testimony but deduce that it was just more of the same. :mad:

She turned on the water works and proclaimed her love for him. This foolish woman even went to bat for him at his parole hearing. Told the board that her husband had plenty of work for LD to do with his business. He hung around about 3 weeks and split to sell dope in Knoxville.

[Breakingnews]

Oh...she also said LD would be a good influence on others. Deter them from a life of crime, others would learn from his mistakes...that kind of nonsense. Suuure.

[DeeJay]

She turned on the water works and proclaimed her love for him. This foolish woman even went to bat for him at his parole hearing. Told the board that her husband had plenty of work for LD to do with his business. He hung around about 3 weeks and split to sell dope in Knoxville.

Yeppers. and the 3 week stint didn't clue her in nor did it tell her anything about the real hardened criminal marcus davidson. He'd rather go to Knoxville to sell drugs, rob, rape & pilage, & murder, than to go the straight and narrow with the Rays.

She "still loves him" and considers him a "son" in spite of the crimes he's been found guilty of.

FGS! Some ppl just never "get-it."
Can't even hit them over the head hammer with facts!

[DeeJay]

Oh...she also said LD would be a good influence on others. Deter them from a life of crime, others would learn from his mistakes...that kind of nonsense. Suuure.

Wonder how she figures that, with the life of crime he's got under his belt? :angry:

[jakee]

Thank you, I believe I will... Might never write that much at one time again. :)

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#1064 10-29-2009, 03:42 PM
Hedda Lettis
Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 88

I read at a news site online that the defense attys are making noises after the verdict (I don't have a link) about the makeup of the jury being all white. I didn't know that, but if the jury is all white, the defense early on had a chance to make some choices as to jurors and I'd bet there were some black people in the jury pool. Is this a strategy to have an all-white jury and then complain about it after the verdict goes the wrong way for them, as they surely knew that it would? Just set-up on their part from the beginning?

I don't know about the rest of you, or the jurors, but what these thugs did to Chris and Channon makes me so MAD that I don't even think about what color they are.

Given the enormity of what was done to Chris and Channon, I don't think color of skin has any importance at all, and shouldn't be given consideration by anyone.

Thuggo's "character?" witnesses only seem to be underlining that he was exposed to good, had potential for good, and chose the other way. His choice.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~

I get so angry when I think about the horrible acts committed, that I just had to express it.

Didn't any of LD's witnesses watch any of the news reports or look at any parts of the trial that appeared online? Unreal!!


I think the jury is 7 women ,5 men, and one man is black. I could be wrong. I agree with you, it doesn't matter what color any of the people involved in this nightmare are. The evidence is all they need to see and hear.

[Breakingnews]

Wonder how she figures that, with the life of crime he's got under his belt? :angry:

The Rudd son was quick to say he wouldn't give LD money if he needed it. Makes me wonder if there were some money issues (stealing, not paying back) that the Rudd's neglected to mention.

LD certainly has pulled the wool over all those people on the stand for him today. He's not their son and he wasn't even part of their families for very long. People have pets longer than LD was in their homes. I don't see how they became that attached to someone they've not had real contact with in years.

[DeeJay]

Gary & Deena give their thoughts on the defense witness impact statement today. 6:03 into the 10:55 video replay.

http://www.wate.com/Global/category.asp?C=21819&clipId=4255004&topVideoCatNo=4694&autoStart=true

[DeeJay]

The Rudd son was quick to say he wouldn't give LD money if he needed it. Makes me wonder if there were some money issues (stealing, not paying back) that the Rudd's neglected to mention.

LD certainly has pulled the wool over all those people on the stand for him today. He's not their son and he wasn't even part of their families for very long. People have pets longer than LD was in their homes. I don't see how they became that attached to someone they've not had real contact with in years.


Hmmm...Lemme see....I think they were fudging quite a bit.

[Breakingnews]

Gary & Deena give their thoughts on the defense witness impact statement today. 6:03 into the 10:55 video replay.

http://www.wate.com/Global/category.asp?C=21819&clipId=4255004&topVideoCatNo=4694&autoStart=true

20 pages for the charging. I think I'll either have an early lunch or late breakfast while the judge reads that to the jurors. zzzzzz

I'm surprised that Gary & Deena didn't have more to say about the testimony of the LD supporters. Still can't get over those folks. Seth appears to be the exact type of person that LD would target to carjack, rape and murder. Soft spoken, mild mannered, passive.

[DeeJay]

20 pages for the charging. I think I'll either have an early lunch or late breakfast while the judge reads that to the jurors. zzzzzz

I'm surprised that Gary & Deena didn't have more to say about the testimony of the LD supporters. Still can't get over those folks. Seth appears to be the exact type of person that LD would target to carjack, rape and murder. Soft spoken, mild mannered, passive.

Whilst he's stumbling thru those 20 pages, it gives me time to get dressed, brush my teeth, wash my face & put on my makeup. (He still will have at least a dozen pages left to read.)

(I'm on PDT and have had to be up each court day by 5:30 - 6:00.) :closedeyes:

I will be ready in plenty of time for the closings.

He's not the fastest reader. Also looses his place and stumbles over some words. Several of the jurors short questions, the judge had a hard time reading them.

[kellann62]

LeLuv,
I just got it!:scared:

LeKel

[dref99]

Good morning all - hopefully a sentence today

I have picture but no sound yet in the court room

http://www.wbir.com/video/breakingvideo.aspx

Edit: Sound always starts as soon as I post!

[jakee]

Good morning all! I hope we find out LD's fate today.

[grammaw]

Good morning all! I hope we find out LD's fate today.

Good morning back to you,this is the day,let it be what it should be!

[in4infor]

Hello to all

I'm here with picture and sound

http://www.wate.com/global/Category.asp?c=173163

and here we go!

[Nascargal]

Morning everyone lets hope to hear DP today

[Mandysmom]

Good morning everybody, running a bit late. I am so thoroughly disgusted with some of these people.

Those character witnesses yesterday just are really blind and don't see that he is a monster.

Mrs. Rey went to his parole hearing or Mrs. Rudd? I would feel really guilty if I helped to set him loose to murder.

:cursing:

[jakee]

Courtroom seems rather empty. I thought more people would be watching this trial there in person.

TK did a great job as usual.

[in4infor]

Well now that was short and to the point.

[Nascargal]

He got there because he raped tortured, and murdered 2 people not because of his great great great great great granny FGS :rolleyes:

[grammaw]

Well now that was short and to the point.

I believe Ms.Fitzgerald can see in those jurors eyes they had buying those excuses,bring it on.

[Roux]

Thanks to Breakingnews and DeeJay for giving me the synopsis of Mrs. Ray's testimony which I missed. Did LD ever change his expression when she cried, or when Mrs.l Rudd testified? I have NEVER seen him change that expression he has had the entire proceedings. No emotion, no feeling; just a look of arrogant anger.

P.S. so far Mr. Trant is doing a terrible job. IMO.

[luvmyboys]

Good morning everyone. I'm off from work today and don't have a computer. I'll be reading your updates through out the day using my iPhone. (won't be posting much cause it's a pain). Any updates would be greatly appreciated. Miss you all. Leluv.

[FindtheLost]

Good morning all.

I have been thinking and I think part of what saved Cobbins life is that his attorneys did not try to put the victims on trial. I think it is possible that part of Cobbins not getting the DP was the honest nature of his attorney. Unlike Davidson's attorneys who have presented a case that can easily make the jurors angry by blaming the victims. I think he will get the DP and I think a big part of it maybe the way the defense defended their client.

[grammaw]

I meant they're not buying defense's excuses!It definitely an excuse defense,come on,are we stupid or what?

[dref99]

Well now that was short and to the point.

The understatement of "bad choices" sure highlights that nothing can mitigate these acts - nothing whatsoever.

jmo

[Nascargal]

Courtroom seems rather empty. I thought more people would be watching this trial there in person.

TK did a great job as usual.

I noticed that maybe alot has been taking off work and today pretty much knew it would be going to the jury this morning.:shrug:

or so many are sick or afraid of getting sick and I know here you can not even get the oink oink shot they keep running out sorry that is what I call it.:smile:

[in4infor]

Oh please, this defense is full of hot air. If he did not have a father, then what would he do, not be saving monsters like this, but perhaps becoming one. Everyone has a choice!!!!

[grammaw]

Now's the time for ole' Marcus to start cryin",per his interview.

[Roux]

Well too darned bad about the Rays and the Rudds. Why should they be exempt just because they love LD when the victims families haver suffered far, far more. The death penalty is easy compared to the physical abuse they went through.

[grammaw]

Well,I'm sorry,but they really needed to help him spell better!

[dref99]

Good morning everyone. I'm off from work today and don't have a computer. I'll be reading your updates through out the day using my iPhone. (won't be posting much cause it's a pain). Any updates would be greatly appreciated. Miss you all. Leluv.

I have trouble listening to the defense and often turn off the sound. I did see a whiteboard with a number of items about the sad life of the convicted murderer, which is being addressed as "mitigating circumstances"

Now discussing that Lemarcus does well if sober and in a structured environment. It can't be all that easy to be a death penalty defense lawyer - we're getting the history of that now - in an attempt to prove that future science may find out "they got it wrong.

Showing Gary on the screen - I hope he finds someone to help him survive all this. He will implode if this guy talks for much longer

jmo

[grammaw]

Please tell me this idiot said what he just said!Innocent man!

[in4infor]

Well too darned bad about the Rays and the Rudds. Why should they be exempt just because they love LD when the victims families haver suffered far, far more. The death penalty is easy compared to the physical abuse they went through.

They should have done more for him if they loved him so much, instead of just trying to get him released or now trying to save his life.

[FindtheLost]

WTH? Don't put him to death because DNA may clear him later. SICK

[cog1]

All that coughing and hacking is driving me crazy. It seems louder than usual.

LOL Good Morning,

I didn't want to say anything because it drives me crazy & I know they can't help it but...

Hand out some cough drops at the door from here on out.

[grammaw]

It kills me,yesterday he still had that smug look on his face,now he's trying to show how sad he is today to the jury,does he not think what the jury is familiar with?Too,too,late to try to show remorse now,bud!

[Roux]

I hope the Rays, Rudds, and the elderly tutor are watching and listening to this.

[grammaw]

Man,they should have sprayed that courtroom down with Lysol,in my opinion,or everyone's at risk now!

[FindtheLost]

I think Price is doing a great job.

Did I read somewhere that Price graduated from Harvard? He and Fitzgerald are both very good.

[in4infor]

What more could they have done? LD is a chronic criminal. There's nothing anyone could do for him. He needs to be put down like a rabid dog.

yes he does need to be put down. What I meant was they were not able to do anything when they had the chance because he is what he is, but now they want to by coming in this court room and asking the jury to not put him to death when it's the only thing that should be done. They should have stayed home and realized he is what he is and there is nothing they can do for him now period.

[grammaw]

I think Price is doing a great job.

I'm so proud of both these prosecutors,they have done an awesome job,especially with all that coughing

[Breakingnews]

Good morning everybody, running a bit late. I am so thoroughly disgusted with some of these people.

Those character witnesses yesterday just are really blind and don't see that he is a monster.

Mrs. Rey went to his parole hearing or Mrs. Rudd? I would feel really guilty if I helped to set him loose to murder.

:cursing:

Mrs. Rey vouched for him at the parole hearing.

[grammaw]

OMG,I so agree with this statement!

[grammaw]

Yea,Mr.Price Great job!

[cog1]

Ain't that just like a man! Go get my glasses laying on my desk.

Why didn't you bring them into the courtroom with you? It's called being PREPARED.

Ughhhh

[grammaw]

ITA, Price and Fitzgerald are great, they got justice for Chris and Channon. With the swine flu at pandemic levels, they shouldn't let sick people in court.

I sure agree to that!

[Breakingnews]

Thanks to Breakingnews and DeeJay for giving me the synopsis of Mrs. Ray's testimony which I missed. Did LD ever change his expression when she cried, or when Mrs.l Rudd testified? I have NEVER seen him change that expression he has had the entire proceedings. No emotion, no feeling; just a look of arrogant anger.

P.S. so far Mr. Trant is doing a terrible job. IMO.

I never spotted any change in his expression or demeanor when his supporters were testifying. The only time thru out this trial I've noticed a break in his stone face is when the jury is out and he chuckles it up with his defense counsel.

[Nascargal]

No Mary Newsom had to hug a body bag that day they found Chris she wanted to see him so bad and hug him but of course LE told her there was no way she could so she got to hug a big black cold bag with her dead son in it. JMO:cursing:

[SpyGirl]

Did I read somewhere that Price graduated from Harvard? He and Fitzgerald are both very good.

I believe you are correct about Price being a Harvard Law alum.

[grammaw]

Ain't that just like a man! Go get my glasses laying on my desk.

Why didn't you bring them into the courtroom with you? It's called being PREPARED.

Ughhhh

Yes,it does,if fact,I've heard it for years,"go get me this,go get me that",and I finally stopped!LOL

[SpyGirl]

Ain't that just like a man! Go get my glasses laying on my desk.

Why didn't you bring them into the courtroom with you? It's called being PREPARED.

Ughhhh

LMAO! That is true. He had to get someone to bring in his glasses last week too!

[cog1]

Yes,it does,if fact,I've heard it for years,"go get me this,go get me that",and I finally stopped!LOL

Yep! But he is the judge for crying out loud. I'm already aggro with him for bringing up the cost of the DP to this jury!

AMOO

[grammaw]

No Mary Newsom had to hug a body bag that day they found Chris she wanted to see him so bad and hug him but of course LE told her there was no way she could so she got to hug a big black cold bag with her dead son in it. JMO:cursing:

Honestly,this is such a sad case altogether,but that actually kept me awake at times,thinking about that poor Mom

[cog1]

LMAO! That is true. He had to get someone to bring in his glasses last week too!

I missed that but it aggrivates me to no end that male bosses expect us women to act as a partner or whatever rather than an equal.

AMOO

Edited to say: I am known to speak out in my workplace and might likely be heard saying "go get your own dam glasses." LOL

[grammaw]

Yep! But he is the judge for crying out loud. I'm already aggro with him for bringing up the cost of the DP to this jury!

AMOO

I was reading the comments last nite on the Knoxville Sentenial,and most of them said"I'd be glad to donate for this person to die"

[in4infor]

This jury wants to go home, so a verdict will come in today!!!!

[cog1]

I was reading the comments last nite on the Knoxville Sentenial,and most of them said"I'd be glad to donate for this person to die"

I would bet that due to the heinous nature of these crimes that most of us feel that way.

Price said it right IMO. He had choices! Enough said.

[dref99]

I missed that but it aggrivates me to no end that male bosses expect us women to act as a partner or whatever rather than an equal.

AMOO

Edited to say: I am known to speak out in my workplace and might likely be heard saying "go get your own dam glasses." LOL

Might be a bit tricky to say that to a Judge while court is in session - perhaps the reality here would be that it is quicker for someone else to get them.

meanwhile - I'm utterly confused by his description of factor 4 - hope the jury understands it!

jmo

[FindtheLost]

This jury wants to go home, so a verdict will come in today!!!!

I think the verdict will either be right before lunch or they will have lunch together and the verdict will be right after lunch. I say at the latest a 2:00 dp verdict.

Justice for Channon and Chris.

[cog1]

Might be a bit tricky to say that to a Judge while court is in session - perhaps the reality here would be that it is quicker for someone else to get them.

meanwhile - I'm utterly confused by his description of factor 4 - hope the jury understands it!

jmo

Agreed!

Confused here as well. Trying to listen more.

[dref99]

OK..Start writing Jury foreman/women..the paper work is going to take the most time...unless they just sit down and copy it out immediately..I do hope this is over by the end of this day!...

I have to go out and do errands..Wonder how much time I can take??..1 hour or 2 hours?..

LMS

Do you know how long they took for Cobbins? That might be a guide - as a guess the jury might like to have lunch together - come back shortly after perhaps.

jmo

[jakee]

I hope the Rays, Rudds, and the elderly tutor are watching and listening to this.

I was trying to see if they are there now, but I can't see. Strange if they love him so much they aren't sitting there supporting him.

I don't see bow tie man there today either.

[Breakingnews]

Has anyone noticed if any of his "family" are in the courtroom today? I caught a quick pan of the courtroom and didn't spot them.

[in4infor]

That monster has his eyes shut while the judge is giving the instructions. He does not even care and it's his life. Hope the jury saw this.

[dref99]

OK..so if I am back by 1PM their time..I shouldnt miss it..They usually take their lunch from 12-1..and that would give them from now til noon to do their paper work..I dont expect much deliberations..it is a slam dunk for aggravating factors far outweighing mitigating ( bad childhood)!

LMS:blink:

Ohhh - I hope I'm not in trouble - if they come back in 30 minutes!

I find this 100 mph reading seems somewhat disrespectful to these victims - the words describing what happened to Chris and Shannon sound as if one was talking about what we all ate for breakfast - or saw last night on the TV.

I assume the rules state the judge must read the instructions, but this manner of reading seems quite pointless.

jmo

[Roux]

What happens if the jury is not unanimous on DP?

[Breakingnews]

I don't know much about his involvement other than the fact that certain players in this claimed he was there and or he and Cobbins<?> I think took Chris off somewhere.

I need to find transcripts or some material the charges maybe to read up on.

AMOO

IIRC, some of the links they have to put him in the house are video tapes he borrowed from a Kentucky library, his and VC's statements. I know he was fighting to have his statements thrown out but not sure how the judge ruled on that.

[cog1]

OMG I can't beleive the fact of his child hood is being read into this as reasoning.

WTH??

[cog1]

IIRC, some of the links they have to put him in the house are video tapes he borrowed from a Kentucky library, his and VC's statements. I know he was fighting to have his statements thrown out but not sure how the judge ruled on that.

Thank you when this is over or in break I will study up on his charges.

[Nascargal]

I sure agree to that!

ITA or put mask on them my preg sister can not even get a shot and they say all preg women should have a shot. so I will not allow her out of the house I do everything for her and even a headache I do not go around her without a mask. Sorry I will not lose my sister or little niece who she was told she would never have. Call me cautious IDK

[cog1]

IIRC all four defendants have the same 46 counts.

If no dna then that worries me. What do they have to tie him to the crimes other than each of them saying that so and so did it?

Hope they have enough to get the max sentancing.

[dref99]

What happens if the jury is not unanimous on DP?


wbirymartinez: of Christian and Newsom. The decision has to be unanimous #cntrial
October 30, 2009 08:51:40 am

http://www.wbir.com/video/breakingvideo.aspx

I think there will be no dp without a unanimous decision - probably why a number of LWOP are returned.

jmo

[kellann62]

This is so aggravating with the "circumstances circumstances".

Kel

[RayStar]

I believ they all have to say ( unanimous) DP..but they do not have to agree on each aggravating factors..as there only has to be one or more aggravating that outweighs mitigating to agree to DP..Did I say that right?..

LMS:tongueside:Good morning all. Thanks for this post Lynda. Can you believe hubby turned on the vacuum cleaner when the judge got to the death part of the sentence just now. I wanted to scream.

This should not take long.

[cog1]

Good morning all. Thanks for this post Lynda. Can you believe hubby turned on the vacuum cleaner when the judge got to the death part of the sentence just now. I wanted to scream.

This should not take long.

Your husband is vacuuming? Way to go!!

Now what??

[Nascargal]

I believ they all have to say ( unanimous) DP..but they do not have to agree on each aggravating factors..as there only has to be one or more aggravating that outweighs mitigating to agree to DP..Did I say that right?..

LMS:tongueside:

I think you got it LMS

[jakee]

If no dna then that worries me. What do they have to tie him to the crimes other than each of them saying that so and so did it?

Hope they have enough to get the max sentancing.

That worries me too. I know Nessa has DNA on the bindings right?

[in4infor]

Ok start the clock, I have 10:25am and deliberations are under way.

[cog1]

Ole Le LD is looking more aggitated. Wonder if he will jump someone before this is all said and done?

I have honestly been waiting for that possibility since there are so many possible weapons on that defense table.

AMOO

[cog1]

That worries me too. I know Nessa has DNA on the bindings right?

Yes I think you are right & I'm sure they will argue that was due to her having relations on the sheet. Disgusting!

[in4infor]

I am at:

http://www.wate.com/global/Category.asp?c=173163

and they just said you can sign up for a news alert and they will let you know when the verdict is reached.

[RayStar]

If no dna then that worries me. What do they have to tie him to the crimes other than each of them saying that so and so did it?

Hope they have enough to get the max sentancing.Cog1 am I understanding here that you have doubts of his involvement. I would really like to know whose idea it was to kidnap, rape and kill the victims from the onset of the crimes. Carjacking does not seem to be the real reason for what followed. Perhaps, we will never know the truth.

This case still gives me goosebumps.

[dref99]

The guys that walk in/out with LD are in business suits?? Are they prison guards? LE? Are they dressed this way to give the defendant extra kudos with the jury? I noticed it before the verdict, but it seems a little weird now he has been found guilty.


jmo

[cog1]

Ok start the clock, I have 10:25am and deliberations are under way.

Yep, tick tock!

[Roux]

wbirymartinez: of Christian and Newsom. The decision has to be unanimous #cntrial
October 30, 2009 08:51:40 am

http://www.wbir.com/video/breakingvideo.aspx

I think there will be no dp without a unanimous decision - probably why a number of LWOP are returned.

jmo

I realize it has to be unanimous, but if I'm a juror for the DP and you're a juror against the DP, we have to settle with your decision of LWOP? Maybe that's the way it is, but doesn't seem right does it.

[kellann62]

I was reading the comments last nite on the Knoxville Sentenial,and most of them said"I'd be glad to donate for this person to die"

OMG! Grammaw,
I have seen that too. One poster was like if anyone knows somebody that would like a little extra money to spend in the commisary just let them know about these guys. Maybe I can help them out.:w00t:

Kel

[cog1]

Cog1 am I understanding here that you have doubts of his involvement. I would really like to know whose idea it was to kidnap, rape and kill the victims from the onset of the crimes. Carjacking does not seem to be the real reason for what followed. Perhaps, we will never know the truth.

This case still gives me goosebumps.

No, no, no! I think they are ALL involved.

I'm sorry I don't post as well as others and don't get my thoughts accross to well. LOL

I worry that these scum bags will be out in a few years because there is not enough evidence to tie them to the crimes. Whether that be circumstantial or physical.

Does that make sense?

[in4infor]

I realize it has to be unanimous, but if I'm a juror for the DP and you're a juror against the DP, we have to settle with your decision of LWOP? Maybe that's the way it is, but doesn't seem right does it.

Can it be hung?
and then it's up to the judge?

[RayStar]

No, no, no! I think they are ALL involved.

I'm sorry I don't post as well as others and don't get my thoughts accross to well. LOL

I worry that these scum bags will be out in a few years because there is not enough evidence to tie them to the crimes. Whether that be circumstantial or physical.

Does that make sense?
OK I've been guilty of this posting crime also. The brain is quicker than the fingers. Well I don't ever want any of these guys on the streets again.

[wnb]

George Thomas made damaging statements in a phone call he made from jail. I believe he also incriminated himself in his interview with the Knox County sherrif's department, but I'm not certain. It doesn't seem likely Thomas would get the DP, but the DA's office must think he warrants it.

[wnb]

Both Takisha Fitzgerald and Leland Price did a great job today. They did all that could be done in their final arguments to the jury. It is up to the jury now.

[GentleBreeze]

Can it be hung?
and then it's up to the judge?

No, for him to get death all the jurors have to vote for it unanimously.

If they do not all agree then the Judge will sentence him to LWOP.

A single sitting Judge cannot impose the death penalty and override the jury. Only a jury of 12 can impose death if they all agree.

imo

[luvmyboys]

I am at:

http://www.wate.com/global/Category.asp?c=173163

and they just said you can sign up for a news alert and they will let you know when the verdict is reached.

Whoo hoooo going to sign up now. Thanks guys. I hate not really being here. :scared:

[jakee]

Did that defense lawyer stand there and say Chris wasn't legally mutilated because his head or limbs were not severed or did I misunderstand that whole exchange?

[RayStar]

IMO, they went to the apartment complex to see Ethel Freeman as Davidson owed her some money and happened upon Chris and Channon. I think this was originally a crime of opportunity. IIRC from Cobbins' direct testimony they pulled into the parking lot and saw Chris and Channon standing by her 4-runner kissing and that's when Davidson and Boyd overcame them. But, since all these feloneous idiots lie, I don't think we'll ever know the whole truth.

Now I feel completely lost. Auntie Ethel lived nearby or at the same apartment complex where Chris and Channon were at? I missed that part. I was under the impression they were on the hunt for prey.

This proves the point that I learned from watching a talk show--never let them take you away from the original scene.

Thanks for the post.

[in4infor]

No, for him to get death all the jurors have to vote for it unanimously.

If they do not all agree then the Judge will sentence him to LWOP.

A single sitting Judge cannot impose the death penalty and override the jury. Only a jury of 12 can impose death if they all agree.

imo

Thanks for the info!

[RayStar]

You post just fine :) I worry the same thing about GT and VC. There doesn't seem to be enough scientific evidence to tie them to the crimes. Of course we know they were there but what, if anything, did they have to do with Chris and Channon. I don't remember ever seeing or reading either one of their statements. Anyone know if they are in the links thread? I know VC is fighting to have the immunity from prosecution agreement validated but other than that, I have not one clue what will happen with those two. I'm still ticked that Boyd got off easy with only 18 years in federal prison.Thanks for clearing this up. Never can understand why words don't type right in my posts.

I also think getting VC will be a difficult task for the state.

[jakee]

He was raising an objection against the state of TN's definition of mutilation versus the common law definition which is the removal of the head or one or more limbs. Nothing substantial as TN's definition has stood up on appeal several times.

Thank you. :smile: