10/27, 10/28,10/29

[desmom]

Good Morning Everyone!

There were some very interesting discussions yesterday about the science side of this case. Without the science side of the case, we have:

An invisible nanny - no incoming or outgoing phone calls or text messages on Casey's phone. No one has ever met the nanny.

Casey told LE she left Caylee with the nanny at #210 Sawgrass Apts between 9 a.m. - 1 p.m. on June 16, 2008. The apt had been vacant since Feb. 2008.

Casey on video at Blockbuster with her boyfriend; shopping at JC Penneys and Target; Casey getting a tattoo and manicure; Casey helping Will host his 4th of July party; Casey playing house with Tone; Casey dancing and partying at Fusians - all during the 31 days her 2 year old daughter was missing.

Casey texting Amy about the smell in her car.

Cindy calling 911 and stating it smells like a d*** dead body in the car.

George said the car smelled like a body. George put his nose on the smell.

Simon Burch, tow yard employee, said the car reeked.

George & Simon saw flies and maggots in the trunk of the car.

LE's testimony at the bond hearing stating the car smelled like a dead body.

What else?

jmo

[desmom]

One year ago today.....

Judge Expected To Accept Casey Anthony's Written Plea
http://www.wftv.com/news/17808566/detail.html

Defense Attorney Says Evidence In Casey Anthony Case Weak At Best
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/17815086/detail.html
Attorney Diana Tennis is quoted. I believe she is now Dominic Casey's attorney.

Missing girl's family attends ceremony with Crist
http://jacksonville.com/apnews/stories/102708/D9432SR00.shtml

[LadyHam]

Good Morning Everyone!

There were some very interesting discussions yesterday about the science side of this case. Without the science side of the case, we have:

An invisible nanny - no incoming or outgoing phone calls or text messages on Casey's phone. No one has ever met the nanny.

Casey told LE she left Caylee with the nanny at #210 Sawgrass Apts between 9 a.m. - 1 p.m. on June 16, 2008. The apt had been vacant since Feb. 2008.

Casey on video at Blockbuster with her boyfriend; shopping at JC Penneys and Target; Casey getting a tattoo and manicure; Casey helping Will host his 4th of July party; Casey playing house with Tone; Casey dancing and partying at Fusians - all during the 31 days her 2 year old daughter was missing.

Casey texting Amy about the smell in her car.

Cindy calling 911 and stating it smells like a d*** dead body in the car.

George said the car smelled like a body. George put his nose on the smell.

Simon Burch, tow yard employee, said the car reeked.

George & Simon saw flies and maggots in the trunk of the car.

LE's testimony at the bond hearing stating the car smelled like a dead body.

What else?

jmo

Great post, Desmom, and thank you for starting the new thread. :seeya:

Yes, we had a lot of great posts y-day regarding the forensics in this case, particularly in the trunk of Casey's car. I think you started your post off w/very interesting information. Putting the forensics aside, Casey was the last person in possession of Caylee and her not telling LE any verifiable information on who has Caylee or who took Caylee is very damaging. Put that together w/her not reporting Caylee missing for 31 days and I think it is very compelling information. The forensics are almost not even needed in this case, they are almost like icing on the cake and they will help ensure a conviction for Casey.

[Sun]

Great post, Desmom, and thank you for starting the new thread. :seeya:

Yes, we had a lot of great posts y-day regarding the forensics in this case, particularly in the trunk of Casey's car. I think you started your post off w/very interesting information. Putting the forensics aside, Casey was the last person in possession of Caylee and her not telling LE any verifiable information on who has Caylee or who took Caylee is very damaging. Put that together w/her not reporting Caylee missing for 31 days and I think it is very compelling information. The forensics are almost not even needed in this case, they are almost like icing on the cake and they will help ensure a conviction for Casey.

Thanks desmom, for a great posting. The very first 400-page doc dump contained some very powerful stuff. If anyone has a working link to it, please post it. The links that I had been using no longer work (arghhhhh). I finished up with Lee's State Depo late last night, and need some new reading material. I want to see if any of those first responding officers' statements contain anything in regards to Cindy handing over a post-it note contains a phone number/address for Zanny.

[desmom]

Great post, Desmom, and thank you for starting the new thread. :seeya:

Yes, we had a lot of great posts y-day regarding the forensics in this case, particularly in the trunk of Casey's car. I think you started your post off w/very interesting information. Putting the forensics aside, Casey was the last person in possession of Caylee and her not telling LE any verifiable information on who has Caylee or who took Caylee is very damaging. Put that together w/her not reporting Caylee missing for 31 days and I think it is very compelling information. The forensics are almost not even needed in this case, they are almost like icing on the cake and they will help ensure a conviction for Casey.

Morning LadyHam :seeya:

We have heard 2 stories about how Caylee "disappeared". The first story was told by Casey to LE about #210 Sawgrass. The second story was told by the family as a "Casey said". I doubt the 2nd story will make it to the courtroom because it would be hearsay...I think.

How will the defense explain Casey's lies to LE about #210 Sawgrass? IMO, they cannot say she feared for her daughter's safety because Casey's behavior during those 31 days do not show a fearful Casey.

JB has repeatedly told reporters there is a reasonable explanation for Casey's behavior for the 31 day time period. I have not been able to come up with any scenario that would be called a "reasonable explanation".

I do not buy into the "ugly coping" that was mentioned several months ago.

jmo

[desmom]

Thanks desmom, for a great posting. The very first 400-page doc dump contained some very powerful stuff. If anyone has a working link to it, please post it. The links that I had been using no longer work (arghhhhh). I finished up with Lee's State Depo late last night, and need some new reading material. I want to see if any of those first responding officers' statements contain anything in regards to Cindy handing over a post-it note contains a phone number/address for Zanny.

I think this is the first doc dump:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-08/41844520.pdf

Same set can also be found at http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel

[Sun]

Morning LadyHam :seeya:

We have heard 2 stories about how Caylee "disappeared". The first story was told by Casey to LE about #210 Sawgrass. The second story was told by the family as a "Casey said". I doubt the 2nd story will make it to the courtroom because it would be hearsay...I think.
How will the defense explain Casey's lies to LE about #210 Sawgrass? IMO, they cannot say she feared for her daughter's safety because Casey's behavior during those 31 days do not show a fearful Casey.

JB has repeatedly told reporters there is a reasonable explanation for Casey's behavior for the 31 day time period. I have not been able to come up with any scenario that would be called a "reasonable explanation".

I do not buy into the "ugly coping" that was mentioned several months ago.

jmo

BBM
It would surprise me if a jury hears anything about a JBP version ...mostly because that version probably originated from Cindy's own lips, and not Casey's. The timing of who knew that version and "when they knew" that version leads me to that conclusion.

There are also quite a large number of statements that "Cindy said" which are never going to be heard by a Jury, because they would be considered hearsay. However, things that "Casey told" someone are not hearsay, as I understand it. Or things that someone saw Casey do, are not hearsay either.

[Sun]

I think this is the first doc dump:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-08/41844520.pdf

Same set can also be found at http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel

Thanks so much desmom! I'm wondering if we will see a new doc dump this week?

[desmom]

BBM
It would surprise me if a jury hears anything about a JBP version ...mostly because that version probably originated from Cindy's own lips, and not Casey's. The timing of who knew that version and "when they knew" that version leads me to that conclusion.

There are also quite a large number of statements that "Cindy said" which are never going to be heard by a Jury, because they would be considered hearsay. However, things that "Casey told" someone are not hearsay, as I understand it. Or things that someone saw Casey do, are not hearsay either.


BBM - I agree this was a cooked up version of what happened to Caylee.

IIRC, Casey told LE she left Caylee at #210 Sawgrass. When LE told Casey the apartment had been vacant since Feb., she backtracked and said she left Caylee at the stairs.

IMO, when LE didn't buy that story, the meeting of the minds dreamed up the JBP story.

This family amazes me...and I don't mean in a good way either.

jmo

ETA ~ keeping fingers crossed for a doc dump this week.

[Scampi]

Thirty one days go by where casey anthony does not report her daughter missing. Instead, cindy anthony tracks her down like a dog, drags her back to the home and only then does casey anthony cough up her kidnapping fairytale to her brother lee, after he lays out the facts for her of what will happen once the police arrive.

Once reported, casey anthony begins a virtual lie-a-thon about where she last saw Caylee to police officers whose only concern to is find this "missing" child.

No record, photograph, cell phone number or other proof that Zenaida Fernandez Gonzales exists.

Abandoning the death car at Amscot and telling all her friends about an "odor" attributed to an animal carcass on the frame. No carcass has been revealed to have been on the frame.

casey anthony did a superb job of incriminating herself, imo.

[Jen]

I guess witness didn't stop back by & let us all know what was going on yesterday. *Shucks*

[PrincessR]

Thirty one days go by where casey anthony does not report her daughter missing. Instead, cindy anthony tracks her down like a dog, drags her back to the home and only then does casey anthony cough up her kidnapping fairytale to her brother lee, after he lays out the facts for her of what will happen once the police arrive.

Once reported, casey anthony begins a virtual lie-a-thon about where she last saw Caylee to police officers whose only concern to is find this "missing" child.

No record, photograph, cell phone number or other proof that Zenaida Fernandez Gonzales exists.

Abandoning the death car at Amscot and telling all her friends about an "odor" attributed to an animal carcass on the frame. No carcass has been revealed to have been on the frame.

casey anthony did a superb job of incriminating herself, imo.

Honestly I can't for the life of me figure out Casey thinks she has a chance of getting out of this. Even IF I never followed the case and I was on the jury just hearing the basics screams..no doubt

[LadyHam]

Morning LadyHam :seeya:

We have heard 2 stories about how Caylee "disappeared". The first story was told by Casey to LE about #210 Sawgrass. The second story was told by the family as a "Casey said". I doubt the 2nd story will make it to the courtroom because it would be hearsay...I think.

How will the defense explain Casey's lies to LE about #210 Sawgrass? IMO, they cannot say she feared for her daughter's safety because Casey's behavior during those 31 days do not show a fearful Casey.

JB has repeatedly told reporters there is a reasonable explanation for Casey's behavior for the 31 day time period. I have not been able to come up with any scenario that would be called a "reasonable explanation".

I do not buy into the "ugly coping" that was mentioned several months ago.

jmo

Bolding by me....

The defense will never be able to explain away the lies Casey told to LE about her missing daughter. The only reasonable explanation as to why she lied is because she was trying to cover up the murder of her daughter. People don't lie to LE when they are trying to find their missing child.

They also won't be able to explain away why she didn't report her daughter missing earlier. That she was fearful that something would happen to Caylee or her family if she went to the authorities is not a reasonable explanation. And you are right. A jury is not going to buy that it was "ugly coping" because she showed no fear about Caylee's whereabouts during that 31 day time frame. She was almost celebratory about the fact that Caylee was no longer in her life and that she didn't have to worry about taking care of her anymore.

The longer this goes on, the more I wonder why JB didn't counsel her to take a plea deal from the very beginning. I have to assume that it is Casey that doesn't want a plea deal because she is not interested in doing any jail time at all. So she is going for the long shot that she will be acquitted. It is really a long shot because an acquittal is never going to happen. There is zero chance that she will be acquitted. So I guess the defense is doing the best they can w/the evidence that they have. If I was one of her attorneys I would seriously walk away from this case before I put my livelihood and reputation on the line to defend this case. The publicity wouldn't be worth it to me.

[desmom]

A fearful Casey looking for her daughter:

June 16 - Blockbuster
http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17841181/detail.html

Casey clubbing:
http://image.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/casey-anthony-party-photo-13.jpg
http://cayleeanthony.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/caseyanthony.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_GhnYA-Aa8II/Sq5k_2kjDNI/AAAAAAAAAg0/R2NK1aNezdM/s1600-h/casey-anthony-dancing3.jpg

Target, clothes shopping - video -
http://www.wftv.com/video/17664021/index.html
pics - http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17663095/detail.html

Target, grocery shopping - July 8, 2008 - video -
http://www.wftv.com/video/17660816/index.html
pics: http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17660775/detail.html

Target - July 10, 2008 - pics:
http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17660926/detail.html

July 15, 2008 - BOA - video:
http://www.wftv.com/video/17658434/index.html
pics: http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17656954/detail.html

[Scampi]

You're right Lady H. casey anthony did indeed celebrate the murder of Caylee with the Bella Vita tattoo, imo.

The reason baez advised casey anthony not to take the limited use immunity offered by the SA is that then he would not have the glory of defending this notorious case, IMO.

A competent attorney would have run to the Prosecutors and begged for a plea wherein casey anthony would tell where the body was in exchanged for LWOP. IMO

casey anthony's choice of baez as her attorney, along with murdering Caylee will cost her her life. IMO

[LadyHam]

BBM
It would surprise me if a jury hears anything about a JBP version ...mostly because that version probably originated from Cindy's own lips, and not Casey's. The timing of who knew that version and "when they knew" that version leads me to that conclusion.

There are also quite a large number of statements that "Cindy said" which are never going to be heard by a Jury, because they would be considered hearsay. However, things that "Casey told" someone are not hearsay, as I understand it. Or things that someone saw Casey do, are not hearsay either.

Bolding by me....

If the defense wanted to, couldn't they introduce the JBP version when Cindy testifies at Casey's trial? Cindy could say that she heard it directly from Casey so the hearsay rule wouldn't apply here. It would go right along w/their strategy as to why Casey initially lied to LE. The defense could say that she originally lied to LE because she was afraid for Caylee's safety, but that she ultimately told her mother the "truth" when she realized how serious the situation was. Not that I think it would work, but if the defense wants to get this story out there, I think they will be able to. Neither story is very good or will stand up at trial, but the JBP story is a little bit better because it at least doesn't involve a vacant apartment where the invisible nanny lived.

I just wonder why Casey used the nanny and said that Caylee had been missing for 31 days. She would have been better off to say that a stranger kidnapped Caylee at the park on the day that her mother found her at TonE's apartment and that she didn't contact the authorities because she was in shock. It would have been a little bit more believable than the fake nanny story. Not by much, but it would have been better.

[LadyHam]

BBM - I agree this was a cooked up version of what happened to Caylee.

IIRC, Casey told LE she left Caylee at #210 Sawgrass. When LE told Casey the apartment had been vacant since Feb., she backtracked and said she left Caylee at the stairs.

IMO, when LE didn't buy that story, the meeting of the minds dreamed up the JBP story.

This family amazes me...and I don't mean in a good way either.

jmo

ETA ~ keeping fingers crossed for a doc dump this week.

If you really look at it, there are actually 3 versions of where Casey lost possession of Caylee. There's the apartment, the stairs, and the JBP stories. All of them are ridiculous.:rolleyes: They came up w/newer improved versions when they hit a dead end w/LE.

[Scampi]

The problem with the Blanchard Park fairytale is that this jury will wonder why casey anthony never told the police about it.

[LadyHam]

Honestly I can't for the life of me figure out Casey thinks she has a chance of getting out of this. Even IF I never followed the case and I was on the jury just hearing the basics screams..no doubt

Bolding by me....

I can't either. I am dumbfounded that she didn't take a plea deal from the beginning or at least admit to what she did and then throw herself at the mercy of the court. I hope her defense team at least counseled her on what her chances of getting out this are. Which are zero. The defense team is playing right into her fantasy of thinking that she is going to get out of this by appearing on all the national media shows proclaiming her innocence. When this case is over with and she is convicted, Casey is going to be very sorry that this was the way that she played this.

[desmom]

Bolding by me....

If the defense wanted to, couldn't they introduce the JBP version when Cindy testifies at Casey's trial? Cindy could say that she heard it directly from Casey so the hearsay rule wouldn't apply here.

--snipped to address-



BBM - Which version would the defense use?

Lee's version of JBP: beginning on page 278 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310241/detail.html
Lee: ..You know, they're watching the kids play or whatever and, you know, watching other things, people watching, you know, whatever. And then at one point Zenaida kind of puts her hand -- they're sitting on a bench side by side. This is how she described it. Sitting on a bench side by side and Zenaida -- she went like this (indicating), but I don't know what her, you know, she went over her arm but I don't know really how it would have, if it was like this or like this, you know as putting the weight on -- on the arm (indicating).

But she said that Zenaida put her - her hand over arm forceful enough where it would, you know, it would hold you down, you know, if you tired to get up. And started, you know, telling her that, you know:

Listen, you know, I'm going to take -- I'm going to take Caylee from you. I don't believe you are being a good mother for her. I need to teach you a lesson. I will return her to you, but you've got to do something for me, you know. You cannot go to the police, can't tell anybody about this or, you know, if this happens, if you do go to the police, if you do tell somebody about this, I, you know, I know where your parents live. I know where your brother lives. I have Caylee. And it's, you know, you don't want, you know, you don't want me to find out that you -- that you told somebody something.

On page 278, Lee said "my folks provided that to me because they had gotten it from Casey during, I think, a video visitiation..."

Cindy's version of JBP: page 243 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html

Cindy: That Casey was supposed to meet Zanny at the park. And when she got there, her sister, Samantha, was there with her children. And as far as I know, I thought she had two, a little boy and a little girl. And I don't know the ages, but one of them was around five, from what I understand.

And they were -- i thought they were in Zanny's car, the silver Ford Focus, which I found out -- that on the night of the 15th -- into the 16th that that's what Zanny's car was. She said that she was with Caylee, waiting for them, and when they came up, Zanny got out of the car, and Samantha was driving or in the passenger car. And at some point, Casey and Zanny had words, and she said that Zanny had pushed her down.

And the way she described Zanny, Zanny would have been -- I mean, Casey is only five-one or two. Zanny was supposed to be five-six and probably had forty pounds on Casey. Could have easily pushed Casey down and been on top of her. And either Zanny or -- no. I think Samantha came out of the car and took Caylee. (on page 245, Cindy said the Blanchard Park story was told to Lee by Casey.)

George's version of JBP: page 259 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310228/detail.html George was asked about JBP.

George: The only -- last story that I can remember is she dropped off Caylee at Zanny's apartment and that was it.

The state points out what George told the FBI last year on page 263 by reading to George:

Okay. I'm sure my -- I don't know if my wife told you, but Blanchard Park, you know, Orlando is something else that came up. Supposedly this is a scenario that Jesse held my duaghter down when someone grabbed my granddaughter. Blanchard Park comes up again. I don't know. I don't know. Do I want to go there and look and watch? Sure. Then this Zenaida thing came up, and there's -- and there -- Zenaida supposedly was there with Caylee and Casey. Zenaida held my daughter down and her sister, Samantha, took our granddaughter and left with her. I don't know. This is all just speculation, names thrown out again. Again, it boils down to my daughter knows what's going on and she's not saying a word. It boils down to that. We keep going round and round.

The state asked where those two scenarios came from on page 264. George finally said it could be just speculation, possible scenarios.

jmo

[LadyHam]

You're right Lady H. casey anthony did indeed celebrate the murder of Caylee with the Bella Vita tattoo, imo.

The reason baez advised casey anthony not to take the limited use immunity offered by the SA is that then he would not have the glory of defending this notorious case, IMO.

A competent attorney would have run to the Prosecutors and begged for a plea wherein casey anthony would tell where the body was in exchanged for LWOP. IMO

casey anthony's choice of baez as her attorney, along with murdering Caylee will cost her her life. IMO

Bolding by me....

I think that was Casey's biggest mistake in this case and what she will be sorry for the most after she is convicted. I think that JB played right into Casey's fantasy of getting out of this scott free. I wonder if this case would have already been over and done with (with a plea deal) if Casey would have had a different "first" attorney?

[PrincessR]

BBM - Which version would the defense use?

Lee's version of JBP: beginning on page 278 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310241/detail.html
Lee: ..You know, they're watching the kids play or whatever and, you know, watching other things, people watching, you know, whatever. And then at one point Zenaida kind of puts her hand -- they're sitting on a bench side by side. This is how she described it. Sitting on a bench side by side and Zenaida -- she went like this (indicating), but I don't know what her, you know, she went over her arm but I don't know really how it would have, if it was like this or like this, you know as putting the weight on -- on the arm (indicating).

But she said that Zenaida put her - her hand over arm forceful enough where it would, you know, it would hold you down, you know, if you tired to get up. And started, you know, telling her that, you know:

Listen, you know, I'm going to take -- I'm going to take Caylee from you. I don't believe you are being a good mother for her. I need to teach you a lesson. I will return her to you, but you've got to do something for me, you know. You cannot go to the police, can't tell anybody about this or, you know, if this happens, if you do go to the police, if you do tell somebody about this, I, you know, I know where your parents live. I know where your brother lives. I have Caylee. And it's, you know, you don't want, you know, you don't want me to find out that you -- that you told somebody something.

On page 278, Lee said the story was "my folks provided that to me because they had gotten it from Casey during, I think, a video visitiation..."

Cindy's version of JBP: page 243 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html

Cindy: That Casey was supposed to meet Zanny at the park. And when she got there, her sister, Samantha, was there with her children. And as far as I know, I thought she had two, a little boy and a little girl. And I don't know the ages, but one of them was around five, from what I understand.

And they were -- i thought they were in Zanny's car, the silver Ford Focus, which I found out -- that on the night of the 15th -- into the 16th that that's what Zanny's car was. She said that she was with Caylee, waiting for them, and when they came up, Zanny got out of the car, and Samantha was driving or in the passenger car. And at some point, Casey and Zanny had words, and she said that Zanny had pushed her down.

And the way she described Zanny, Zanny would have been -- I mean, Casey is only five-one or two. Zanny was supposed to be five-six and probably had forty pounds on Casey. Could have easily pushed Casey down and been on top of her. And either Zanny or -- no. I think Samantha came out of the car and took Caylee. (on page 245, Cindy said the Blanchard Park story was told to Lee by Casey.)

George's version of JBP: page 259 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310228/detail.html George was asked about JBP.

George: The only -- last story that I can remember is she dropped off Caylee at Zanny's apartment and that was it.

The state points out what George told the FBI last year on page 263 by reading to George:

Okay. I'm sure my -- I don't know if my wife told you, but Blanchard Park, you know, Orlando is something else that came up. Supposedly this is a scenario that Jesse held my duaghter down when someone grabbed my granddaughter. Blanchard Park comes up again. I don't know. I don't know. Do I want to go there and look and watch? Sure. Then this Zenaida thing came up, and there's -- and there -- Zenaida supposedly was there with Caylee and Casey. Zenaida held my daughter down and her sister, Samantha, took our granddaughter and left with her. I don't know. This is all just speculation, names thrown out again. Again, it boils down to my daughter knows what's going on and she's not saying a word. It boils down to that. We keep going round and round.

The state asked where those two scenarios came from on page 264. George finally said it could be just speculation, possible scenarios.

jmo

So only Lee can introduce the story if I am understanding it correctly. I am sorry I do not know how to snipped..sorry I reposted the entire posting.

[LadyHam]

The problem with the Blanchard Park fairytale is that this jury will wonder why casey anthony never told the police about it.

That's the problem w/all the stories. There is no reasonable explanation as to why Casey didn't go to the authorities the moment Caylee became a missing child. Again, I wonder why Casey said that Caylee had been missing for 31 days instead of saying that she went missing on the day it was reported she was missing. It just goes to show you how little thought Casey put into her story.

[desmom]

So only Lee can introduce the story if I am understanding it correctly. I am sorry I do not know how to snipped..sorry I reposted the entire posting.

Sorry, I had to edit several times to add these little tidbits:

On page 278, Lee said the story was "my folks provided that to me because they had gotten it from Casey during, I think, a video visitiation..."

On page 245, Cindy said the Blanchard Park story was told to Lee by Casey.

On page 264. George finally said it could be just speculation, possible scenarios.

IMO, no one can tell this story because it is just that A STORY!

[LadyHam]

BBM - Which version would the defense use?

Lee's version of JBP: beginning on page 278 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310241/detail.html
Lee: ..You know, they're watching the kids play or whatever and, you know, watching other things, people watching, you know, whatever. And then at one point Zenaida kind of puts her hand -- they're sitting on a bench side by side. This is how she described it. Sitting on a bench side by side and Zenaida -- she went like this (indicating), but I don't know what her, you know, she went over her arm but I don't know really how it would have, if it was like this or like this, you know as putting the weight on -- on the arm (indicating).

But she said that Zenaida put her - her hand over arm forceful enough where it would, you know, it would hold you down, you know, if you tired to get up. And started, you know, telling her that, you know:

Listen, you know, I'm going to take -- I'm going to take Caylee from you. I don't believe you are being a good mother for her. I need to teach you a lesson. I will return her to you, but you've got to do something for me, you know. You cannot go to the police, can't tell anybody about this or, you know, if this happens, if you do go to the police, if you do tell somebody about this, I, you know, I know where your parents live. I know where your brother lives. I have Caylee. And it's, you know, you don't want, you know, you don't want me to find out that you -- that you told somebody something.

On page 278, Lee said "my folks provided that to me because they had gotten it from Casey during, I think, a video visitiation..."

Cindy's version of JBP: page 243 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html

Cindy: That Casey was supposed to meet Zanny at the park. And when she got there, her sister, Samantha, was there with her children. And as far as I know, I thought she had two, a little boy and a little girl. And I don't know the ages, but one of them was around five, from what I understand.

And they were -- i thought they were in Zanny's car, the silver Ford Focus, which I found out -- that on the night of the 15th -- into the 16th that that's what Zanny's car was. She said that she was with Caylee, waiting for them, and when they came up, Zanny got out of the car, and Samantha was driving or in the passenger car. And at some point, Casey and Zanny had words, and she said that Zanny had pushed her down.

And the way she described Zanny, Zanny would have been -- I mean, Casey is only five-one or two. Zanny was supposed to be five-six and probably had forty pounds on Casey. Could have easily pushed Casey down and been on top of her. And either Zanny or -- no. I think Samantha came out of the car and took Caylee. (on page 245, Cindy said the Blanchard Park story was told to Lee by Casey.)

George's version of JBP: page 259 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310228/detail.html George was asked about JBP.

George: The only -- last story that I can remember is she dropped off Caylee at Zanny's apartment and that was it.

The state points out what George told the FBI last year on page 263 by reading to George:

Okay. I'm sure my -- I don't know if my wife told you, but Blanchard Park, you know, Orlando is something else that came up. Supposedly this is a scenario that Jesse held my duaghter down when someone grabbed my granddaughter. Blanchard Park comes up again. I don't know. I don't know. Do I want to go there and look and watch? Sure. Then this Zenaida thing came up, and there's -- and there -- Zenaida supposedly was there with Caylee and Casey. Zenaida held my daughter down and her sister, Samantha, took our granddaughter and left with her. I don't know. This is all just speculation, names thrown out again. Again, it boils down to my daughter knows what's going on and she's not saying a word. It boils down to that. We keep going round and round.

The state asked where those two scenarios came from on page 264. George finally said it could be just speculation, possible scenarios.

jmo

Yikes!:scared: There are even 3 different versions of one story. This defense is sunk. I have no idea what they would go with. Probably the one that shows Casey in the best possible light or else make up a new one entirely. I guess w/having 3 different versions of the same story makes it hard to go w/any of them. I guess the defense will just have to attack the "junk science" evidence in this case then.:sneaky:

[kelloggirl]

JB has repeatedly told reporters there is a reasonable explanation for Casey's behavior for the 31 day time period. I have not been able to come up with any scenario that would be called a "reasonable explanation".

I like to amuse myself with coming up with "reasonable explanations" and seeing how they all fail any test of reasonableness or logic.

1. Casey knew Caylee was safe with Zanny until the very end of the 31 days, thus she did not worry.
How did she know? She must've been in contact with Zanny at least a few times per week to be so reassured that she could be pole dancing without a care. So surely there are phone records that show this communication, right? WRONG!!! FAIL!

2. Casey was being threatened by Zanny and her band of Evil Nannies to not call police and to act like a thieving dilettante so as to not arise suspicion.
OOOOhkay, far-fetched but fine. BUT once Caylee was found dead, time to take the gloves off, Casey! Why protect the KILLER of your child? Are we supposed to believe she is willing to live in jail the rest of her life or possibly DIE by the needle to protect some random nanny? Makes NO sense! FAIL!

3. Ugly Coping
Still requires an explanation for the 31 days of not reporting her missing, as in 1. and 2. above. So, therefore FAIL!

If the defense comes up with something even halfway believeable, I'll be shocked.

[PrincessR]

Sorry, I had to edit several times to add these little tidbits:

On page 278, Lee said the story was "my folks provided that to me because they had gotten it from Casey during, I think, a video visitiation..."

On page 245, Cindy said the Blanchard Park story was told to Lee by Casey.

On page 264. George finally said it could be just speculation, possible scenarios.

IMO, no one can tell this story because it is just that A STORY!

Thanks, I am lost..this is just craziness. If this works for the defense then I have to question our school systems the jurors went too.

[Scampi]

Thanks Des, oh boy the State is going to have a fleld day with these parents.....lol. :laugh:

[desmom]

Yikes!:scared: There are even 3 different versions of one story. This defense is sunk. I have no idea what they would go with. Probably the one that shows Casey in the best possible light or else make up a new one entirely. I guess w/having 3 different versions of the same story makes it hard to go w/any of them. I guess the defense will just have to attack the "junk science" evidence in this case then.:sneaky:

Yep - 3 different versions of the JBP story, and as you pointed out upthread, 2 different versions of the Sawgrass story.

That brings us up to 5 different stories of what happened to Caylee and we have not even heard JB's version yet.

Lies, lies and more lies.

jmo

[LadyHam]

Yep - 3 different versions of the JBP story, and as you pointed out upthread, 2 different versions of the Sawgrass story.

That brings us up to 5 different stories of what happened to Caylee and we have not even heard JB's version yet.

Lies, lies and more lies.

jmo

The sad thing is that the family should have only been telling one story as to what happened to Caylee. So sad and troubling.

[Sun]

You're right Lady H. casey anthony did indeed celebrate the murder of Caylee with the Bella Vita tattoo, imo.

The reason baez advised casey anthony not to take the limited use immunity offered by the SA is that then he would not have the glory of defending this notorious case, IMO.

A competent attorney would have run to the Prosecutors and begged for a plea wherein casey anthony would tell where the body was in exchanged for LWOP. IMO

casey anthony's choice of baez as her attorney, along with murdering Caylee will cost her her life. IMO

I agree. Casey was celebrating. Practicing writing Mrs. Anthony Lazarro, Casey Lazzaro, Mrs. Casey Lazzaro, etc. (shucks, she didn't even know how to spell Tony's last name!)

[desmom]

Thanks Des, oh boy the State is going to have a fleld day with these parents.....lol. :laugh:

How much time will George, Cindy and Lee spend on the stand? It might be pretty short lived with the state focusing on the last time the saw and/or spoke to Caylee, if they have ever met the nanny, items they removed from the car and the intensity of the car odor.

All three have a tendency to stretch the truth, tell mis-truths and twist facts. If the jury is exposed to a lot of Anthonyisms, it may confuse the jury. The state may opt to keep their time on the stand short and sweet.

IMO, that will not go over well with Cindy because she has so much to say. :tonguewag:

jmo

[desmom]

I agree. Casey was celebrating. Practicing writing Mrs. Anthony Lazarro, Casey Lazzaro, Mrs. Casey Lazzaro, etc. (shucks, she didn't even know how to spell Tony's last name!)

I wish that page was dated. For those that have not seen it, you can find it on page 30 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Anthony%20pgs%202751-2800%20f.pdf

[Sun]

Bolding by me....

If the defense wanted to, couldn't they introduce the JBP version when Cindy testifies at Casey's trial? Cindy could say that she heard it directly from Casey so the hearsay rule wouldn't apply here. It would go right along w/their strategy as to why Casey initially lied to LE. The defense could say that she originally lied to LE because she was afraid for Caylee's safety, but that she ultimately told her mother the "truth" when she realized how serious the situation was. Not that I think it would work, but if the defense wants to get this story out there, I think they will be able to. Neither story is very good or will stand up at trial, but the JBP story is a little bit better because it at least doesn't involve a vacant apartment where the invisible nanny lived.

I just wonder why Casey used the nanny and said that Caylee had been missing for 31 days. She would have been better off to say that a stranger kidnapped Caylee at the park on the day that her mother found her at TonE's apartment and that she didn't contact the authorities because she was in shock. It would have been a little bit more believable than the fake nanny story. Not by much, but it would have been better.

Ah, but the HUGE problem is "when" did Casey have a chance to tell this to Cindy. Casey was incarcerated on July 16th. At no time during those jail visitation videos (at least what was released by the State), did we see Casey tell this story to Cindy. Yet Cindy told the FBI this JBP version late July early Aug in her interview with them. (casey wasn't released on bond until Aug 21.

So, when did Casey have the chance to tell this story to Cindy?

[LadyHam]

Ah, but the HUGE problem is "when" did Casey have a chance to tell this to Cindy. Casey was incarcerated on July 16th. At no time during those jail visitation videos (at least what was released by the State), did we see Casey tell this story to Cindy. Yet Cindy told the FBI this JBP version late July early Aug in her interview with them. (casey wasn't released on bond until Aug 21.

So, when did Casey have the chance to tell this story to Cindy?

Oh, so true then. This is a huge problem. Either Cindy made it up herself or else Casey told it to her through one of the letters that JB was carrying back and forth for them. Or I guess that JB could have told them that Casey told him this story.

[Bala]

Bolding by me....

I can't either. I am dumbfounded that she didn't take a plea deal from the beginning or at least admit to what she did and then throw herself at the mercy of the court. I hope her defense team at least counseled her on what her chances of getting out this are. Which are zero. The defense team is playing right into her fantasy of thinking that she is going to get out of this by appearing on all the national media shows proclaiming her innocence. When this case is over with and she is convicted, Casey is going to be very sorry that this was the way that she played this.
I believe that at first both Casey and Baez believed they would never find Caylee's remains so the jury would never convicted.

[Dtviewer3]

Yep - 3 different versions of the JBP story, and as you pointed out upthread, 2 different versions of the Sawgrass story.

That brings us up to 5 different stories of what happened to Caylee and we have not even heard JB's version yet.

Lies, lies and more lies.

jmo


Funny that one of the reasons the 'Caseydidntdoit' blog writer gives for believing Casey is innocent is that the writer claims "Casey has told ONE story and stuck with it from the first day".

I guess I shouldnt be shocked my post never showed up on her blog when I pointed this out........

[Sun]

I wish that page was dated. For those that have not seen it, you can find it on page 30 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Anthony%20pgs%202751-2800%20f.pdf

Thanks for providing a link so that I could refresh my memory. There was no "Mrs" example, but examples of Casey M. Lazzaro, Casey Lazarro, etc.

This list was found in Amy's car, right? If so, then that might suggest a timeframe when Casey's wrote these examples.

[Myka]

bottom line, the 31 days can't be explained. I can't wait to hear what team Bozo has to say about the 31 days.

Let's say Caylee was only missing 2 weeks, yet Casey still went out and lived it up.....she still couldn't explain why she waited 2 weeks

[Sun]

Oh, so true then. This is a huge problem. Either Cindy made it up herself or else Casey told it to her through one of the letters that JB was carrying back and forth for them. Or I guess that JB could have told them that Casey told him this story.

I just finished Lee's State Depo yesterday, and focused in on the questions that the State asked Lee in regards to the JBP version. I do believe that the State is on top of this "story" and I think that John Morgan is also.

[achristie]

Thanks Des, oh boy the State is going to have a fleld day with these parents.....lol. :laugh:

It will be a sight to see. I don't think either one of them will be able to contain themselves on the stand.

MOO Aggie

[Sun]

Oh, so true then. This is a huge problem. Either Cindy made it up herself or else Casey told it to her through one of the letters that JB was carrying back and forth for them. Or I guess that JB could have told them that Casey told him this story.

I know that Lee said that he read no letters from Casey. And, didn't the State ask Cindy and George the same questions regarding "letters?" If Baez told the JBP story to Cindy, then that would be considered hearsay.

I do believe that if Baez tries to use any version of the JBP story, the State will easily be able to make it backfire on him.

Of course, I'm not 100% convinced that parts of those jail visitation videos were not redacted in some way. Perhaps parts that needed a bit of "investigation?"

[LadyHam]

I believe that at first both Casey and Baez believed they would never find Caylee's remains so the jury would never convicted.

Oh true. I forgot about that. I just wonder why they were so confident though. It is not like the remains were hidden that well and they would have to know that if they were ever found, the fact that they were so close to Casey's house would be incriminating in and of itself. It shows how JB has botched this case from the very beginning.

[LadyHam]

I know that Lee said that he read no letters from Casey. And, didn't the State ask Cindy and George the same questions regarding "letters?" If Baez told the JBP story to Cindy, then that would be considered hearsay.

I do believe that if Baez tries to use any version of the JBP story, the State will easily be able to make it backfire on him.

Of course, I'm not 100% convinced that parts of those jail visitation videos were not redacted in some way. Perhaps parts that needed a bit of "investigation?"

Good points, Sun. I guess that the JBP story can't be told by the defense unless they put Casey on the stand then, huh? I really don't see that happening. I think the defense might try to distance themselves from all of Casey's stories and lies and just focus on discrediting the evidence. They will call it "junk science".

[desmom]

I know that Lee said that he read no letters from Casey. And, didn't the State ask Cindy and George the same questions regarding "letters?" If Baez told the JBP story to Cindy, then that would be considered hearsay.

I do believe that if Baez tries to use any version of the JBP story, the State will easily be able to make it backfire on him.

Of course, I'm not 100% convinced that parts of those jail visitation videos were not redacted in some way. Perhaps parts that needed a bit of "investigation?"

BBM - I agree there are things from the jail visits we did not see. IIRC, during one of Lee's visits, the audio didn't work in a portion of the video.

I wish the state would un-redact them and release them along with the maggot evidence and Mallory's interview. :biggrinjester:

[charmin 66]

One year ago today.....

Judge Expected To Accept Casey Anthony's Written Plea
http://www.wftv.com/news/17808566/detail.html

Defense Attorney Says Evidence In Casey Anthony Case Weak At Best
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/17815086/detail.html
Attorney Diana Tennis is quoted. I believe she is now Dominic Casey's attorney.

Missing girl's family attends ceremony with Crist
http://jacksonville.com/apnews/stories/102708/D9432SR00.shtml

Red by me

An interesting spin by Diana Tennis. (Is this a tennis play?)

[Sun]

INVESTIGATORS NOTE: As of this writing, we do not know the condition of the missing child Caylee Anthony. We do not know where the child is. Based on the repetitive lies that the defendant has told, we do not know with whom the child is or even if the child is alive. As I received information, and relayed it to the defendant after her arrest, she continued to claim ignorance and at times, laughed about the situation. She still failed to show any outward signs of remorse or concern for her missing two year old daughter. I request that she be held on a NO BOND status until the child is located.

(all typos are mine. The above statement from Melich was included in the first 400-page doc dump, page 6)
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-08/41844520.pdf

[seeing_eye]

You're right Lady H. casey anthony did indeed celebrate the murder of Caylee with the Bella Vita tattoo, imo.

The reason baez advised casey anthony not to take the limited use immunity offered by the SA is that then he would not have the glory of defending this notorious case, IMO.

A competent attorney would have run to the Prosecutors and begged for a plea wherein casey anthony would tell where the body was in exchanged for LWOP. IMO

casey anthony's choice of baez as her attorney, along with murdering Caylee will cost her her life. IMO

Scampi, I'm not too sure we should place all the blame on Baez for this decision. I get the distinct impression that Casey may be hard-headed and stubborn when it comes to admitting the truth about anything she's lied about. And I think that's been her way of life for a long time. I think she will hold out insisting a lie is the truth long after the truth has been reasonably established. She's like a child that's been caught with egg on his face who steadfastly denies ever being in the hen house. It may be her decision against the advice of counsel to go to trial. I'm not saying that Baez is not stupid enough to do this himself as that is a possibility too.

[LadyHam]

Scampi, I'm not too sure we should place all the blame on Baez for this decision. I get the distinct impression that Casey may be hard-headed and stubborn when it comes to admitting the truth about anything she's lied about. And I think that's been her way of life for a long time. I think she will hold out insisting a lie is the truth long after the truth has been reasonably established. She's like a child that's been caught with egg on his face who steadfastly denies ever being in the hen house. It may be her decision against the advice of counsel to go to trial. I'm not saying that Baez is not stupid enough to do this himself as that is a possibility too.

Bolding by me....

I agree w/you. I think it is Casey's decision and her decision alone to not cooperate w/LE or agree to some sort of plea deal. It is Casey's attorneys' decisions to stand by her through this farce though.:sneaky:

[Kathlb]

It will be a sight to see. I don't think either one of them will be able to contain themselves on the stand.

MOO Aggie

What I am waiting on is for Linda to tell Cindy before she asks the questions, that all she wants is a yes or no. We all know that's impossible for Cindy and her "spin" so she will have to be told by the Judge and reminded of her oath. Steam will shoot out of her ears. :thumbsup:

[pixiejoolz]

Missing girl's family attends ceremony with Crist
http://jacksonville.com/apnews/stori...9432SR00.shtml

So the Anthonys are convinced that Caylee is alive, huh? Who holds a memorial service for someone they believe is still alive? :angry:

[achristie]

What I am waiting on is for Linda to tell Cindy before she asks the questions, that all she wants is a yes or no. We all know that's impossible for Cindy and her "spin" so she will have to be told by the Judge and reminded of her oath. Steam will shoot out of her ears. :thumbsup:

I agree. I think she's gonna have a terrible time. She can't hold it together, especially under intense scrutiny. And LDB's demeanor is just great.

MOO Aggie

[Patty437]

There's a discussion going on over at Marinade Dave's site about a facebook page concerning ZG. The start date of the page is 6/16/08. That is prior to ZG at Sawgrass. There is a suggestion that Casey knew of ZG thru the tattoo parlor. We've all seen ZG and her tattoos. I remember when the tattoo guys were on Nancy, they never mentioned ZG being there as a customer for Casey to have seen/met/talked to her. Has anyone heard of this theory before about a Casey/ZG connection from the tattoo parlor? The last sign in date on the facebook page, by the way, is Oct 14, 08...her arrest date.

[apothecary]

Bolding by me....

I agree w/you. I think it is Casey's decision and her decision alone to not cooperate w/LE or agree to some sort of plea deal. It is Casey's attorneys' decisions to stand by her through this farce though.:sneaky:

I think that Casey rejected a plea deal after the woods and swamp had been searched by Gale St.John and her dog and Mr.Miller could not search it because of water.She probably thought she was in the clear and that the body would never be found by authorities.

[Kathlb]

I think that ever since Andrea Lyon came onboard that's when we first hear Baez say on an interview that taking a plea will have to come from Casey's decision. I think Andrea has told him, this is not going to work and she doesn't want to ruin her record with the likes of Casey Anthony. Unfortunately for them, I think it's much too late for that. The prosecution isn't offering it anymore. It will remain the death penalty. MOO

[desmom]

Scampi, I'm not too sure we should place all the blame on Baez for this decision. I get the distinct impression that Casey may be hard-headed and stubborn when it comes to admitting the truth about anything she's lied about. And I think that's been her way of life for a long time. I think she will hold out insisting a lie is the truth long after the truth has been reasonably established. She's like a child that's been caught with egg on his face who steadfastly denies ever being in the hen house. It may be her decision against the advice of counsel to go to trial. I'm not saying that Baez is not stupid enough to do this himself as that is a possibility too.

I think it is a little bit of both. There were a couple of times when Casey was willing to talk. After a short meeting with her attorneys, she changed her mind.

One that really sticks out in my mind was the special one on one meeting LE set up with George on August 14, 2008. George met LE at Publix. When they arrived at the jail, Casey was with one of the attorneys from JB's office. After an 1 1/2 hour wait, Casey changed her mind.

Also, when LE picked up Casey after she was indicted by the GJ, she said she was willing to sit down and talk with LE. IIRC, that didn't happen either after JB arrived on the scene and spoke with Casey.

jmo

[desmom]

There's a discussion going on over at Marinade Dave's site about a facebook page concerning ZG. The start date of the page is 6/16/08. That is prior to ZG at Sawgrass. There is a suggestion that Casey knew of ZG thru the tattoo parlor. We've all seen ZG and her tattoos. I remember when the tattoo guys were on Nancy, they never mentioned ZG being there as a customer for Casey to have seen/met/talked to her. Has anyone heard of this theory before about a Casey/ZG connection from the tattoo parlor? The last sign in date on the facebook page, by the way, is Oct 14, 08...her arrest date.

I ran across that yesterday at http://www.bloggernews.net/122755 titled Caylee Anthony – An Interesting Theory. A link in the article takes you to: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5395519/Info-on-a-Zenaida-My-Space-Created-by-Casey-Anthony

[charmin 66]

I think that ever since Andrea Lyon came onboard that's when we first hear Baez say on an interview that taking a plea will have to come from Casey's decision. I think Andrea has told him, this is not going to work and she doesn't want to ruin her record with the likes of Casey Anthony. Unfortunately for them, I think it's much too late for that. The prosecution isn't offering it anymore. It will remain the death penalty. MOO

ITA, Baez put that out there in a interview with his good friend Geraldo. I'm sure they had a script.

[charmin 66]

I ran across that yesterday at http://www.bloggernews.net/122755 titled Caylee Anthony – An Interesting Theory. A link in the article takes you to: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5395519/Info-on-a-Zenaida-My-Space-Created-by-Casey-Anthony

I read this yesterday. Fascinating stuff here.

[no1what]

Thirty one days go by where casey anthony does not report her daughter missing. Instead, cindy anthony tracks her down like a dog, drags her back to the home and only then does casey anthony cough up her kidnapping fairytale to her brother lee, after he lays out the facts for her of what will happen once the police arrive.

Once reported, casey anthony begins a virtual lie-a-thon about where she last saw Caylee to police officers whose only concern to is find this "missing" child.

No record, photograph, cell phone number or other proof that Zenaida Fernandez Gonzales exists.

Abandoning the death car at Amscot and telling all her friends about an "odor" attributed to an animal carcass on the frame. No carcass has been revealed to have been on the frame.

casey anthony did a superb job of incriminating herself, imo.




But but, why didn't Cindy just use the post it note with Zanny's numbers and address to go get Caylee. Why did Cindy call 911 when she had Zanny's number she could have dialed? Or had Lee drive by the address she had listed?

[desmom]

But but, why didn't Cindy just use the post it note with Zanny's numbers and address to go get Caylee. Why did Cindy call 911 when she had Zanny's number she could have dialed? Or had Lee drive by the address she had listed?

Because it is another Anthonyism?

[denjet]

Good Morning Everyone!

There were some very interesting discussions yesterday about the science side of this case. Without the science side of the case, we have:

An invisible nanny - no incoming or outgoing phone calls or text messages on Casey's phone. No one has ever met the nanny.

Casey told LE she left Caylee with the nanny at #210 Sawgrass Apts between 9 a.m. - 1 p.m. on June 16, 2008. The apt had been vacant since Feb. 2008.

Casey on video at Blockbuster with her boyfriend; shopping at JC Penneys and Target; Casey getting a tattoo and manicure; Casey helping Will host his 4th of July party; Casey playing house with Tone; Casey dancing and partying at Fusians - all during the 31 days her 2 year old daughter was missing.

Casey texting Amy about the smell in her car.

Cindy calling 911 and stating it smells like a d*** dead body in the car.

George said the car smelled like a body. George put his nose on the smell.

Simon Burch, tow yard employee, said the car reeked.

George & Simon saw flies and maggots in the trunk of the car.

LE's testimony at the bond hearing stating the car smelled like a dead body.

What else?

jmo

Hi Des,
ITA ... forensics and science aside, I think the biggest hurdle the defense has is KC's own behavior both before and after her arrest ...

I would like to add:

Jail house calls where KC is infuriated that all anyone cares about is Caylee and her what-about-me attitude

Video visits with her parents and her lack of emotion except when it came to her being in jail

From jail, KC playing on the fact that she can't help find Caylee from behind bars

And very, very important ... Padilla and crew's testimony as to what KC did and didn't do while she was out on bond, her attitude, what she was focusing on, etc.

How on earth this dream team is going to defend KC's own actions and words ???

[farrahrani]

After reading all the posts in this thread I am convinced the JBP version of the kidnapping story will never come to court.

Lee says he heard it from his parents...they say they heard it from Lee...nobody has said they heard it from Casey herself >.<

The version George puts out is only speculation and involves Jesse, not the invisinanny.

So unless they backtrack yet AGAIN and change their stories for the umpteenth time, there is nobody to say they heard that version directly from Casey herself, and since she is not on record on video (as far as I know unless there are still visit videos unreleased) or audio, or on paper as stating this, there is no way this is getting into the trial. JMO

And yes, FWIW, I also believe if she had a better, more experienced lawyer who was more concerned for his client than being the first death penalty hispanic attorney, this would never have dragged out this long. Someone should have sat her down from day one in jail and told her flat out how stupid her stories sounded, and told her that her best bet would be LWOP, and that the only way to get it would be to negotiate for it using Caylee's remains as a bargaining tool, before the weather cleared up for searchers. I believe Lyons has made an attempt to get Casey back down to earth, even though its too late to negotiate for LWOP. If she had been the attorney from the very beginning, this would be a totally different case we'd be looking at now.

[charmin 66]

I ran across that yesterday at http://www.bloggernews.net/122755 titled Caylee Anthony – An Interesting Theory. A link in the article takes you to: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5395519/Info-on-a-Zenaida-My-Space-Created-by-Casey-Anthony

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/

[Katprint]

I think that ever since Andrea Lyon came onboard that's when we first hear Baez say on an interview that taking a plea will have to come from Casey's decision. I think Andrea has told him, this is not going to work and she doesn't want to ruin her record with the likes of Casey Anthony. Unfortunately for them, I think it's much too late for that. The prosecution isn't offering it anymore. It will remain the death penalty. MOO
That is an interesting observation about the timing of Baez' change in position on the "we will never take a plea bargain" issue. It's possible that the parade of experienced death penalty attorneys have FINALLY begun to have some impact on the defense team's strategy initially set by the inexperienced Baez who has now been practicing law for a whopping 4 years but who had been in practice for less than 3 years when he began representing Casey.

As far as the death penalty is concerned, I think that if the defense team went to the prosecution with an offer to plead guilty to First Degree Capital murder with a sentence of life imprisonment without possibility of parole, the prosecution would probably accept that deal and drop the death penalty. Although Casey technically qualifies for the death penalty, there are several factors in her favor (primarily, being a young, attractive, petite caucasian woman) that make it unlikely that a jury will impose the death penalty against her. IMO the prosecution would not be giving up much if they took that deal.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Patty437]

I read this yesterday. Fascinating stuff here.

Yeah and if there is a link that LE can prove, Casey duct taped herself right into more premeditation.

[trich]

That's the problem w/all the stories. There is no reasonable explanation as to why Casey didn't go to the authorities the moment Caylee became a missing child. Again, I wonder why Casey said that Caylee had been missing for 31 days instead of saying that she went missing on the day it was reported she was missing. It just goes to show you how little thought Casey put into her story.


IMO the only way to introduce the story about Blanchard Park to somewhat try to make it believeable would be for Casey to get up on the stand and tell it....we all know that is not going to happen.
Introducing stories told from defendant to others IMO do not wash especially when that person will not get up on the stand to tell it themselves.
But what do I know....
Also to say that Jessie took Caylee is ludicrous...I would have thought had George or Lee thought that was true they would have been all over him to beat out of him where Caylee was.
Did they even attempt to approach him and ask where she was?
I know my husband and my brother would have risked going to jail to make he or anyone else they knew exisited tell where that child was.
If they indeed thought that person took Caylee.

[charmin 66]

Yeah and if there is a link that LE can prove, Casey duct taped herself right into more premeditation.

I do believe that SA has more than we know.

[trich]

That is an interesting observation about the timing of Baez' change in position on the "we will never take a plea bargain" issue. It's possible that the parade of experienced death penalty attorneys have FINALLY begun to have some impact on the defense team's strategy initially set by the inexperienced Baez who has now been practicing law for a whopping 4 years but who had been in practice for less than 3 years when he began representing Casey.

As far as the death penalty is concerned, I think that if the defense team went to the prosecution with an offer to plead guilty to First Degree Capital murder with a sentence of life imprisonment without possibility of parole, the prosecution would probably accept that deal and drop the death penalty. Although Casey technically qualifies for the death penalty, there are several factors in her favor (primarily, being a young, attractive, petite caucasian woman) that make it unlikely that a jury will impose the death penalty against her. IMO the prosecution would not be giving up much if they took that deal.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions



I agree!!!!

[denjet]

But but, why didn't Cindy just use the post it note with Zanny's numbers and address to go get Caylee. Why did Cindy call 911 when she had Zanny's number she could have dialed? Or had Lee drive by the address she had listed?

Hi no!
Just one more thing that made no sense whatsoever ... IF Cindy in fact went in the house and came out with the post-it and actually handed it to the mystery officer ... the first thing I would have done is given it the smudge test if I were handed ANYTHING from Cindy is seen how fresh the ink was !! :sneaky:

[desmom]

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/

I had seen articles about ZG's myspace on different sites but was not sure where the info began. Thanks.

Wow! Did you read the article about the duct tape? Great article and very informative.

I don't think I have ever been to that site. I bookmarked it. Thank you for posting it. Did you add it to the links thread?

[hello its me]

That is an interesting observation about the timing of Baez' change in position on the "we will never take a plea bargain" issue. It's possible that the parade of experienced death penalty attorneys have FINALLY begun to have some impact on the defense team's strategy initially set by the inexperienced Baez who has now been practicing law for a whopping 4 years but who had been in practice for less than 3 years when he began representing Casey.

As far as the death penalty is concerned, I think that if the defense team went to the prosecution with an offer to plead guilty to First Degree Capital murder with a sentence of life imprisonment without possibility of parole, the prosecution would probably accept that deal and drop the death penalty. Although Casey technically qualifies for the death penalty, there are several factors in her favor (primarily, being a young, attractive, petite caucasian woman) that make it unlikely that a jury will impose the death penalty against her. IMO the prosecution would not be giving up much if they took that deal.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

petite might be off the table by the time the trial rolls around..:laugh:

I wish they would save everyone the expense and do this, but I don't see Casey ever admitting to anything. She's as arrogant as Hans was. Until he was convicted.

[LadyHam]

I think that Casey rejected a plea deal after the woods and swamp had been searched by Gale St.John and her dog and Mr.Miller could not search it because of water.She probably thought she was in the clear and that the body would never be found by authorities.

Boy, was she ever wrong. Thankfully Caylee was found. Didn't Casey think the water would ever recede? Caylee was right by the side of the road too. It wasn't like she was placed deep w/in the woods or anything like that. It was a big mistake for Casey to think that Caylee would never be found. She was lucky that it took awhile though because critical evidence was lost. Not enough to get her acquitted though.

[LadyHam]

I think that ever since Andrea Lyon came onboard that's when we first hear Baez say on an interview that taking a plea will have to come from Casey's decision. I think Andrea has told him, this is not going to work and she doesn't want to ruin her record with the likes of Casey Anthony. Unfortunately for them, I think it's much too late for that. The prosecution isn't offering it anymore. It will remain the death penalty. MOO

I agree w/you. I am wondering if AL is sorry that she came on board now? I imagine she is not too happy w/the rest of the defense team that appeared on the morning round of talk shows and on 48 Hours. I think AL's absence in appearing in these interviews is very glaring and it says a lot about how she feels about when the other attorneys on Casey's defense team publicly talk about this case.

[LadyHam]

I think it is a little bit of both. There were a couple of times when Casey was willing to talk. After a short meeting with her attorneys, she changed her mind.

One that really sticks out in my mind was the special one on one meeting LE set up with George on August 14, 2008. George met LE at Publix. When they arrived at the jail, Casey was with one of the attorneys from JB's office. After an 1 1/2 hour wait, Casey changed her mind.

Also, when LE picked up Casey after she was indicted by the GJ, she said she was willing to sit down and talk with LE. IIRC, that didn't happen either after JB arrived on the scene and spoke with Casey.

jmo

You bring up some very good points. So I guess Casey's attorneys are as much to blame for Casey's silence and lack of cooperation as Casey herself is.

[sydney]

How will the defense explain Casey's lies to LE about #210 Sawgrass? IMO, they cannot say she feared for her daughter's safety because Casey's behavior during those 31 days do not show a fearful Casey.


(snipped by me, bbm)

hi, guys. not only that, iirc, the story kc told was that if she told anyone about caylee being missing, caylee would be harmed. well, as one of our other fabulous posters pointed out a while ago, why did she and cindy spread caylee's face all over the internet with their "have you seen me" facebook page? flies directly in the face of kc's lie.

i also want to know (help me find this information if it exists) if a description of the invisinanny was also put on the myspace page.

anyone know?

[Sun]

I've been thinking a bit about the criminal check/fraud trial. As the days go by, the trial date of Jan 25, 2010 is getting closer and closer.

Will the State be required to furnish the defense with Discovery "specific" to only the criminal check/fraud case, and a Witness List that includes only witnesses for this case?

I'm re-reading the very first doc dump, and in Casey's signed statement (in her own handwriting) admits to stealing from friends. Could this signed statement from Casey on July 16th be used at the check/fraud trial?

[charmin 66]

I had seen articles about ZG's myspace on different sites but was not sure where the info began. Thanks.

Wow! Did you read the article about the duct tape? Great article and very informative.

I don't think I have ever been to that site. I bookmarked it. Thank you for posting it. Did you add it to the links thread?

I think this is Valhall's new site.

lol, more than I ever wanted to know about duct tape

and no I didn't add it to the links thread, that's why we need you :wub:

[sydney]

You bring up some very good points. So I guess Casey's attorneys are as much to blame for Casey's silence and lack of cooperation as Casey herself is.

i recall cindy saying in her statement to the fbi (page 14) that "she said she wanted to speak with someone from your department...." and was told by bolin that "she is a represented individual....i cannot initiate that contact at all".

he also says "my rules for kc would be very simple. you were the last person with her......" "what is going to change in our conversation that is going to help us find caylee. that's what...that's all i would want to know."

i think jb had already learned the garbage kc spewed and knew he had to keep her from talking to anyone else, lest she place the needle in her own arm.

[LadyHam]

I had seen articles about ZG's myspace on different sites but was not sure where the info began. Thanks.

Wow! Did you read the article about the duct tape? Great article and very informative.

I don't think I have ever been to that site. I bookmarked it. Thank you for posting it. Did you add it to the links thread?

Yeah, that article on the duct tape was very interesting! Thanks for the link, Charmin! :seeya:

[Rayosunshine]

BBM - Which version would the defense use?

Lee's version of JBP: beginning on page 278 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310241/detail.html
Lee: ..You know, they're watching the kids play or whatever and, you know, watching other things, people watching, you know, whatever. And then at one point Zenaida kind of puts her hand -- they're sitting on a bench side by side. This is how she described it. Sitting on a bench side by side and Zenaida -- she went like this (indicating), but I don't know what her, you know, she went over her arm but I don't know really how it would have, if it was like this or like this, you know as putting the weight on -- on the arm (indicating).

But she said that Zenaida put her - her hand over arm forceful enough where it would, you know, it would hold you down, you know, if you tired to get up. And started, you know, telling her that, you know:

Listen, you know, I'm going to take -- I'm going to take Caylee from you. I don't believe you are being a good mother for her. I need to teach you a lesson. I will return her to you, but you've got to do something for me, you know. You cannot go to the police, can't tell anybody about this or, you know, if this happens, if you do go to the police, if you do tell somebody about this, I, you know, I know where your parents live. I know where your brother lives. I have Caylee. And it's, you know, you don't want, you know, you don't want me to find out that you -- that you told somebody something.

On page 278, Lee said "my folks provided that to me because they had gotten it from Casey during, I think, a video visitiation..."

Cindy's version of JBP: page 243 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html

Cindy: That Casey was supposed to meet Zanny at the park. And when she got there, her sister, Samantha, was there with her children. And as far as I know, I thought she had two, a little boy and a little girl. And I don't know the ages, but one of them was around five, from what I understand.

And they were -- i thought they were in Zanny's car, the silver Ford Focus, which I found out -- that on the night of the 15th -- into the 16th that that's what Zanny's car was. She said that she was with Caylee, waiting for them, and when they came up, Zanny got out of the car, and Samantha was driving or in the passenger car. And at some point, Casey and Zanny had words, and she said that Zanny had pushed her down.

And the way she described Zanny, Zanny would have been -- I mean, Casey is only five-one or two. Zanny was supposed to be five-six and probably had forty pounds on Casey. Could have easily pushed Casey down and been on top of her. And either Zanny or -- no. I think Samantha came out of the car and took Caylee. (on page 245, Cindy said the Blanchard Park story was told to Lee by Casey.)

George's version of JBP: page 259 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310228/detail.html George was asked about JBP.

George: The only -- last story that I can remember is she dropped off Caylee at Zanny's apartment and that was it.

The state points out what George told the FBI last year on page 263 by reading to George:

Okay. I'm sure my -- I don't know if my wife told you, but Blanchard Park, you know, Orlando is something else that came up. Supposedly this is a scenario that Jesse held my duaghter down when someone grabbed my granddaughter. Blanchard Park comes up again. I don't know. I don't know. Do I want to go there and look and watch? Sure. Then this Zenaida thing came up, and there's -- and there -- Zenaida supposedly was there with Caylee and Casey. Zenaida held my daughter down and her sister, Samantha, took our granddaughter and left with her. I don't know. This is all just speculation, names thrown out again. Again, it boils down to my daughter knows what's going on and she's not saying a word. It boils down to that. We keep going round and round.

The state asked where those two scenarios came from on page 264. George finally said it could be just speculation, possible scenarios.

jmo

Weren't all of the visits videotaped?

[LadyHam]

petite might be off the table by the time the trial rolls around..:laugh:

I wish they would save everyone the expense and do this, but I don't see Casey ever admitting to anything. She's as arrogant as Hans was. Until he was convicted.

I agree. Casey will never admit to anything. Her family won't either. Once convicted, she will still be maintaining her innocence, as will her family.

[LadyHam]

I've been thinking a bit about the criminal check/fraud trial. As the days go by, the trial date of Jan 25, 2010 is getting closer and closer.

Will the State be required to furnish the defense with Discovery "specific" to only the criminal check/fraud case, and a Witness List that includes only witnesses for this case?

I'm re-reading the very first doc dump, and in Casey's signed statement (in her own handwriting) admits to stealing from friends. Could this signed statement from Casey on July 16th be used at the check/fraud trial?

Bolding by me....

Wow, good catch. That is a very good point. The defense team isn't going to like how that is linked to her murder trial. They only like to link the 2 cases when it is in their favor.

On another note, the fraud trial is less that 3 months away and the pretrial hearing is less than 2 months away. I wonder what kind of progress the defense team has made on the case?

[AlohaRainbow]

After reading all the posts in this thread I am convinced the JBP version of the kidnapping story will never come to court.

Lee says he heard it from his parents...they say they heard it from Lee...nobody has said they heard it from Casey herself >.<

The version George puts out is only speculation and involves Jesse, not the invisinanny.

So unless they backtrack yet AGAIN and change their stories for the umpteenth time, there is nobody to say they heard that version directly from Casey herself,...
*snip*.
iirc, didn't leonard padilla say that the blanchard park story was told by casey to one of his people (rob dick or tracey maybe??)?
IF so, i would think the person who heard it directly from casey would be able to testify about the story (that is, if prosecution wants to get the story in)

[desmom]

Weren't all of the visits videotaped?

The jail visits? Yes. imo

[Katprint]

petite might be off the table by the time the trial rolls around..:laugh:

I wish they would save everyone the expense and do this, but I don't see Casey ever admitting to anything. She's as arrogant as Hans was. Until he was convicted.
OT: Oh, Hans Reiser is still arrogant despite 1) having been convicted of First Degree Murder, 2) having then pled guilty to Second Degree Murder and 3) having led the police to his wife's body. You should read his lengthy handwritten legal pleadings in the ongoing wrongful death civil case, where he justifies murdering his wife, complains about the prison and the court to failing to run themselves according to his desires, and asks for his children to be returned to his custody IN PRISON.

Court Website
http://apps.alameda.courts.ca.gov/domainweb/service?ServiceName=DomainWebService&TemplateName=jsp/complitaction.html&CaseNbr=RG08406864&CurrBatchNbr=1

San Francisco Chronicle Blog
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/localnews/detail?entry_id=34012&gta=commentslistpos#commentslistpos

We may yet see similar justifications from Casey and the other Anthonys. We have already seen Cindy trying to minimize and justify Casey's lies by recharacterizing them "mistruths" and claiming that if Casey lied then she must have had a good reason too e.g. protecting Caylee, protecting the Anthonys, etc. Even while being muzzled (somewhat) by her attorneys, Casey managed to handwrite in that snide, irrelevant remark on her declaration "I believe that Mr. Ashton is angry because I have refused to take a plea agreement for a crime I DID NOT commit." Who knows what they will say after Casey is convicted? In the penalty phase, will the defense team follow the Scott Peterson strategy of telling the jury their verdict was wrong? Or will they admit Casey killed Caylee and try to explain why?

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Sun]

Bolding by me....

Wow, good catch. That is a very good point. The defense team isn't going to like how that is linked to her murder trial. They only like to link the 2 cases when it is in their favor.

On another note, the fraud trial is less that 3 months away and the pretrial hearing is less than 2 months away. I wonder what kind of progress the defense team has made on the case?

Well so far, the defense has filed motions in regards to the jail video tapes, and wanting the court to order them destroyed (though the defense failed to notifiy the correct party, so they had to do this when it was pointed out to them). The defense has also filed a motion for COV, etc.

I'm just thinking how difficult it may be for the defense to sift through the mountains of Discovery that have been released to them, to find only the portions that may be brought up in the criminal check/fraud trial.

[Duke]

Good Morning Everyone!

There were some very interesting discussions yesterday about the science side of this case. Without the science side of the case, we have:

An invisible nanny - no incoming or outgoing phone calls or text messages on Casey's phone. No one has ever met the nanny.

Casey told LE she left Caylee with the nanny at #210 Sawgrass Apts between 9 a.m. - 1 p.m. on June 16, 2008. The apt had been vacant since Feb. 2008.

Casey on video at Blockbuster with her boyfriend; shopping at JC Penneys and Target; Casey getting a tattoo and manicure; Casey helping Will host his 4th of July party; Casey playing house with Tone; Casey dancing and partying at Fusians - all during the 31 days her 2 year old daughter was missing.

Casey texting Amy about the smell in her car.

Cindy calling 911 and stating it smells like a d*** dead body in the car.

George said the car smelled like a body. George put his nose on the smell.

Simon Burch, tow yard employee, said the car reeked.

George & Simon saw flies and maggots in the trunk of the car.

LE's testimony at the bond hearing stating the car smelled like a dead body.

What else?

jmo

LOL. I wanted to add that Cindy forgot her microscope:laugh:

[SayItAgain]

That is an interesting observation about the timing of Baez' change in position on the "we will never take a plea bargain" issue. It's possible that the parade of experienced death penalty attorneys have FINALLY begun to have some impact on the defense team's strategy initially set by the inexperienced Baez who has now been practicing law for a whopping 4 years but who had been in practice for less than 3 years when he began representing Casey.

As far as the death penalty is concerned, I think that if the defense team went to the prosecution with an offer to plead guilty to First Degree Capital murder with a sentence of life imprisonment without possibility of parole, the prosecution would probably accept that deal and drop the death penalty. Although Casey technically qualifies for the death penalty, there are several factors in her favor (primarily, being a young, attractive, petite caucasian woman) that make it unlikely that a jury will impose the death penalty against her. IMO the prosecution would not be giving up much if they took that deal.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Hmm. Maybe this is how Lyon hopes to add another mark to her "win" column?

Regarding the words I bolded ... I wonder if we'll ever get it in this country that it's more important who people are on the inside? :mellow:

[hello its me]

OT: Oh, Hans Reiser is still arrogant despite 1) having been convicted of First Degree Murder, 2) having then pled guilty to Second Degree Murder and 3) having led the police to his wife's body. You should read his lengthy handwritten legal pleadings in the ongoing wrongful death civil case, where he justifies murdering his wife, complains about the prison and the court to failing to run themselves according to his desires, and asks for his children to be returned to his custody IN PRISON.

Court Website
http://apps.alameda.courts.ca.gov/domainweb/service?ServiceName=DomainWebService&TemplateName=jsp/complitaction.html&CaseNbr=RG08406864&CurrBatchNbr=1

San Francisco Chronicle Blog
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/localnews/detail?entry_id=34012&gta=commentslistpos#commentslistpos

We may yet see similar justifications from Casey and the other Anthonys. We have already seen Cindy trying to minimize and justify Casey's lies by recharacterizing them "mistruths" and claiming that if Casey lied then she must have had a good reason too e.g. protecting Caylee, protecting the Anthonys, etc. Even while being muzzled (somewhat) by her attorneys, Casey managed to handwrite in that snide, irrelevant remark on her declaration "I believe that Mr. Ashton is angry because I have refused to take a plea agreement for a crime I DID NOT commit." Who knows what they will say after Casey is convicted? In the penalty phase, will the defense team follow the Scott Peterson strategy of telling the jury their verdict was wrong? Or will they admit Casey killed Caylee and try to explain why?

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

thanks for the Reiser info.

How can they admit she did it after saying she didn't all trial long? That wouldn't get far with me as a Juror.

[SayItAgain]

I had seen articles about ZG's myspace on different sites but was not sure where the info began. Thanks.

Wow! Did you read the article about the duct tape? Great article and very informative.

I don't think I have ever been to that site. I bookmarked it. Thank you for posting it. Did you add it to the links thread?

ITA with desmom, charmin. GREAT, informative piece on duct tape. :thumbup:

[Duke]

Thirty one days go by where casey anthony does not report her daughter missing. Instead, cindy anthony tracks her down like a dog, drags her back to the home and only then does casey anthony cough up her kidnapping fairytale to her brother lee, after he lays out the facts for her of what will happen once the police arrive.

Once reported, casey anthony begins a virtual lie-a-thon about where she last saw Caylee to police officers whose only concern to is find this "missing" child.

No record, photograph, cell phone number or other proof that Zenaida Fernandez Gonzales exists.

Abandoning the death car at Amscot and telling all her friends about an "odor" attributed to an animal carcass on the frame. No carcass has been revealed to have been on the frame.

casey anthony did a superb job of incriminating herself, imo.


You put the entire case within 5 paragraphs. It will be hard for anyone to dispute this.

[SayItAgain]

You bring up some very good points. So I guess Casey's attorneys are as much to blame for Casey's silence and lack of cooperation as Casey herself is.

The way I see it, Casey may have spoken more if not for Baez, but I don't think she would've spoken more truth. I don't underestimate the pathological, habitual lying this family does. I'm not confident any one of them could tell the entire truth about anything.

[AlohaRainbow]

i did remember correctly that rob dick said he was told by casey about blanchard park. so, it seems he could testify on the stand as to what he was told by casey. is rob dick on the prosecution's witness list?

http://www.wesh.com/news/17426676/detail.html
Nancy Grace: What did she tell you Robert about leaving little Caylee in a park with numerous people?

Robert Dick: Well, basically, it just changed a little bit. The story is still kind of the same but instead of the sawgrass ...
[ ... ]
Investigators said she originally told them she dropped the toddler off at an apartment complex, but Dick said she recently said it was Blanchard Park.

[AlohaRainbow]

The way I see it, Casey may have spoken more if not for Baez, but I don't think she would've spoken more truth. I don't underestimate the pathological, habitual lying this family does. I'm not confident any one of them could tell the entire truth about anything.

excellent point!
imo... and that's the truth :laugh:

[Duke]

Honestly I can't for the life of me figure out Casey thinks she has a chance of getting out of this. Even IF I never followed the case and I was on the jury just hearing the basics screams..no doubt


Great thought. The problem is that every word we type, and every comment made is being written down by KC's defense team to make it sound differently. Sad but maybe true. We probably add fuel to the fire.

[AnnieKins]

I like to amuse myself with coming up with "reasonable explanations" and seeing how they all fail any test of reasonableness or logic.

1. Casey knew Caylee was safe with Zanny until the very end of the 31 days, thus she did not worry.
How did she know? She must've been in contact with Zanny at least a few times per week to be so reassured that she could be pole dancing without a care. So surely there are phone records that show this communication, right? WRONG!!! FAIL!

2. Casey was being threatened by Zanny and her band of Evil Nannies to not call police and to act like a thieving dilettante so as to not arise suspicion.
OOOOhkay, far-fetched but fine. BUT once Caylee was found dead, time to take the gloves off, Casey! Why protect the KILLER of your child? Are we supposed to believe she is willing to live in jail the rest of her life or possibly DIE by the needle to protect some random nanny? Makes NO sense! FAIL!

3. Ugly Coping
Still requires an explanation for the 31 days of not reporting her missing, as in 1. and 2. above. So, therefore FAIL!

If the defense comes up with something even halfway believeable, I'll be shocked.

BBM <:laugh:>

[AnnieKins]

I agree w/you. I am wondering if AL is sorry that she came on board now? I imagine she is not too happy w/the rest of the defense team that appeared on the morning round of talk shows and on 48 Hours. I think AL's absence in appearing in these interviews is very glaring and it says a lot about how she feels about when the other attorneys on Casey's defense team publicly talk about this case.

I agree with what you've said, LH.

It makes me wonder why she doesn't pull back the reins and tell the rest of that motley crew to knock off the public appearances. I guess she doesn't have the control over them that I thought she would.

[Dtviewer3]

i did remember correctly that rob dick said he was told by casey about blanchard park. so, it seems he could testify on the stand as to what he was told by casey. is rob dick on the prosecution's witness list?

http://www.wesh.com/news/17426676/detail.html
Nancy Grace: What did she tell you Robert about leaving little Caylee in a park with numerous people?

Robert Dick: Well, basically, it just changed a little bit. The story is still kind of the same but instead of the sawgrass ...
[ ... ]
Investigators said she originally told them she dropped the toddler off at an apartment complex, but Dick said she recently said it was Blanchard Park.

The story is still kind of the same????

The story changed from "I dropped her at the babysitters apartment like I always do so I can go to work" to "ZFG pushed me down at Blanchard Park and her sister and ZFG kidnapped Caylee (and drove off in a silver Ford focus her father hasnt bought her yet)"

Yep, seems like almost the exact same story Rob....:mad:

[denjet]

Boy, was she ever wrong. Thankfully Caylee was found. Didn't Casey think the water would ever recede? Caylee was right by the side of the road too. It wasn't like she was placed deep w/in the woods or anything like that. It was a big mistake for Casey to think that Caylee would never be found. She was lucky that it took awhile though because critical evidence was lost. Not enough to get her acquitted though.

ITA Lady! I think KC thought she was home free once TES went through that area .. I also think it was her plan to keep checking on Caylee and possibly move her if she thought she would be found .... it was definitely a huge mistake ... if she had been hidden deeper into those woods, who knows if she would have been found

[Aunt]

I agree with what you've said, LH.

It makes me wonder why she doesn't pull back the reins and tell the rest of that motley crew to knock off the public appearances. I guess she doesn't have the control over them that I thought she would.


CEO with no say! :ohmy:

[Katprint]

The story is still kind of the same????

The story changed from "I dropped her at the babysitters apartment like I always do so I can go to work" to "ZFG pushed me down at Blanchard Park and her sister and ZFG kidnapped Caylee (and drove off in a silver Ford focus her father hasnt bought her yet)"

Yep, seems like almost the exact same story Rob....:mad:
Variations on the same imagi-nanny kidnapping theme are more similar than "Caylee drowned in the pool so I hid her body in the overgrown vacant lot down the street" or "I wrapped duct tape across her nose and mouth to smother her." "Kind of the same" is a matter of degree...

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Sun]

i did remember correctly that rob dick said he was told by casey about blanchard park. so, it seems he could testify on the stand as to what he was told by casey. is rob dick on the prosecution's witness list?

http://www.wesh.com/news/17426676/detail.html
Nancy Grace: What did she tell you Robert about leaving little Caylee in a park with numerous people?

Robert Dick: Well, basically, it just changed a little bit. The story is still kind of the same but instead of the sawgrass ...
[ ... ]
Investigators said she originally told them she dropped the toddler off at an apartment complex, but Dick said she recently said it was Blanchard Park.

on the 7/30 FBI video, Cindy then goes on to say, "Lee got the JBP version either on a phone conversation or a jail video"...just a few days before today. (Part 9, 31 minutes into it.)
http://www.wftv.com/video/18051811/index.html

OK, I've watched and re-watched all the jail videos, and listened to the phone conversation many, many times. Not once did I ever hear the JBP story.

[Dtviewer3]

Variations on the same imagi-nanny kidnapping theme are more similar than "Caylee drowned in the pool so I hid her body in the overgrown vacant lot down the street" or "I wrapped duct tape across her nose and mouth to smother her." "Kind of the same" is a matter of degree...

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I guess you are right Kat.

I just get frustrated that ALL the players in this case twist and mis-state anything and everything.

Frustrated.

[Lexi]

I guess you are right Kat.

I just get frustrated that ALL the players in this case twist and mis-state anything and everything.

Frustrated.

Also, don't forget that in those first few days Casey was helping to keep her parents and brother confused. Remember how everytime anyone would question her in the jail videos, she would get frustrated and say "MOM, I already talked to Lee about that." Or with Lee, she would say "I already talked to Jose about that and he will be in touch with you." She certainly had all of them believing that she was talking to someone, but she wasn't talking to anyone!

[crimeq]

Some of you may have "refreshed" your memories of this case more frequently than I, but when I was watching Rick's youtubes yesterday, other interviews popped up in youtube.

I listened to the very first taped interview LE gave Casey at home that first night. I'm AMAZED at easily the glib lies roll off her tongue.

The interviewer is very good and asks her questions with timeframes related to them, and Casey takes a pause to make up her answer. It's almost possible to hear the wheels of her lie-making brain turning.

After being involved in watching this case for so long now, it's unbelievable to go back and hear Casey at the very beginning of the case. It's dumbfounding, in fact!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjJh6r-yWyw

[crimeq]

You're right Lady H. casey anthony did indeed celebrate the murder of Caylee with the Bella Vita tattoo, imo.

The reason baez advised casey anthony not to take the limited use immunity offered by the SA is that then he would not have the glory of defending this notorious case, IMO.

A competent attorney would have run to the Prosecutors and begged for a plea wherein casey anthony would tell where the body was in exchanged for LWOP. IMO

casey anthony's choice of baez as her attorney, along with murdering Caylee will cost her her life. IMO

There's even greater justice in that, IMO. :sneaky:

[jessie]

The way I see it, Casey may have spoken more if not for Baez, but I don't think she would've spoken more truth. I don't underestimate the pathological, habitual lying this family does. I'm not confident any one of them could tell the entire truth about anything. I am very confident that they could tell the entire truth about anything anytime, but I am also condifent that none of them will never ever tell the truth, entire or otherwise, about anything that Cindy thinks should remain in the family. This is a family like no other. And I dont mean that in a positive way.

[crimeq]

That's the problem w/all the stories. There is no reasonable explanation as to why Casey didn't go to the authorities the moment Caylee became a missing child. Again, I wonder why Casey said that Caylee had been missing for 31 days instead of saying that she went missing on the day it was reported she was missing. It just goes to show you how little thought Casey put into her story.

I think she was afraid of the body being found--the condition of the body clearly would predate the date of her report. She had to make up a story that took into account decomposition of the body.

[Dtviewer3]

I am very confident that they could tell the entire truth about anything anytime, but I am also condifent that none of them will never ever tell the truth, entire or otherwise, about anything that Cindy thinks should remain in the family. This is a family like no other. And I dont mean that in a positive way.


Sadly, I have to agree with you.
There was a time when I had hope that Lee or George would stand up to Cindy and Casey.
In the begining when Lee got mad at Casey and went off on her about all the lies she had been feeding him and his parents, I thought he would be the one. Especially when he realized all the phone numbers she was giving him and the A's turned out to be a scam. But, I was soon proven wrong.
George I still believe is tormented between doing the 'right thing' and towing the family line. There have been glimpses, like when he asked 'but what about Caylee?', though they seem to have been brief.
I think that George is so invested in keeping HIS place in the family that he will go along with whatever Cindy wants from now on.

[Dtviewer3]

I think she was afraid of the body being found--the condition of the body clearly would predate the date of her report. She had to make up a story that took into account decomposition of the body.


That, and the FACT that all her friends and family would be questioned and all would say the same thing.
We havent seen Caylee in a month!

[Aunt]

I think she was afraid of the body being found--the condition of the body clearly would predate the date of her report. She had to make up a story that took into account decomposition of the body.

I hadn't even thought of that, and it makes total sense!

Thanks Ladyham and crime. :thumbup:

[crimeq]

I believe that at first both Casey and Baez believed they would never find Caylee's remains so the jury would never convicted.

Hi Bala, this is so puzzling to me because Caylee's little body was so close to the Anthony house and triple-bagged, which would offer some protection from immediate dispersal.

Casey couldn't have predicted that a storm would come along and cover the area with water, could she? I think she placed the body there out of sheer panic of discovery (George and the gas can incident) and no gas money to drive further away.

It would be absolutely foolish for her to think the body wouldn't be discovered. Under normal circumstances, that would have been one of the first places searched.

And then we have the DCasey incident of probing the wooded area--if they were so sure the body would not be found, why send him there to search?

How much time was there between when the water in that area subsided and DCasey was out poking around? When Kronk got there a few weeks later, he stated the water had recently subsided -- so how quick was DCasey on the draw to get to the woods at the first possible moment, after water receded?

[Scampi]

Some of you may have "refreshed" your memories of this case more frequently than I, but when I was watching Rick's youtubes yesterday, other interviews popped up in youtube.

I listened to the very first taped interview LE gave Casey at home that first night. I'm AMAZED at easily the glib lies roll off her tongue.

The interviewer is very good and asks her questions with timeframes related to them, and Casey takes a pause to make up her answer. It's almost possible to hear the wheels of her lie-making brain turning.

After being involved in watching this case for so long now, it's unbelievable to go back and hear Casey at the very beginning of the case. It's dumbfounding, in fact!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjJh6r-yWyw

Thanks Crimie, that is a keeper for sure and will figure prominently in the trial, right along with this little gem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nig-ITwHAWM

The jury is going to love hearing from this little liar. :cuss:

[Sun]

Some of you may have "refreshed" your memories of this case more frequently than I, but when I was watching Rick's youtubes yesterday, other interviews popped up in youtube.

I listened to the very first taped interview LE gave Casey at home that first night. I'm AMAZED at easily the glib lies roll off her tongue.

The interviewer is very good and asks her questions with timeframes related to them, and Casey takes a pause to make up her answer. It's almost possible to hear the wheels of her lie-making brain turning.

After being involved in watching this case for so long now, it's unbelievable to go back and hear Casey at the very beginning of the case. It's dumbfounding, in fact!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjJh6r-yWyw

Yes, going back and reviewing some of the early Discovery is a good reminder of what LE had to deal with.

[crimeq]

There's a discussion going on over at Marinade Dave's site about a facebook page concerning ZG. The start date of the page is 6/16/08. That is prior to ZG at Sawgrass. There is a suggestion that Casey knew of ZG thru the tattoo parlor. We've all seen ZG and her tattoos. I remember when the tattoo guys were on Nancy, they never mentioned ZG being there as a customer for Casey to have seen/met/talked to her. Has anyone heard of this theory before about a Casey/ZG connection from the tattoo parlor? The last sign in date on the facebook page, by the way, is Oct 14, 08...her arrest date.

Patty, IIRC, Zenaida's former boyfriend worked/works for the tattoo parlor. I've always believed Casey's knowledge of the name Zenaida came from this association.

The facebook page being created in Zenaida's name on 6/16 screams "premeditation" on Casey's part to me.

[Katprint]

Thanks Crimie, that is a keeper for sure and will figure prominently in the trial, right along with this little gem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nig-ITwHAWM

The jury is going to love hearing from this little liar. :cuss:
The confrontation about Casey's imagi-job / imagi-office is one of my favorite parts. Those experienced police detectives grilled her like a cheese sandwich! The Anthonys may be completely clueless (except for Cindy's brother Uncle Rick) but those detectives had Casey all figured out within an hour or two.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[LadyHam]

Thanks Crimie, that is a keeper for sure and will figure prominently in the trial, right along with this little gem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nig-ITwHAWM

The jury is going to love hearing from this little liar. :cuss:

Thanks so much for the links, Crimeq and Scampi. I hope all of Casey's interviews w/LE are played to the jury in their entirety.

[Sun]

10/20/2009---A---NOTICE OF PROVISION OF SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY

Here is a brief outline of what we may see in an upcoming doc dump.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21361234/detail.html

[bhardy1956]

I agree. Casey will never admit to anything. Her family won't either. Once convicted, she will still be maintaining her innocence, as will her family.


I don't care if she maintains her innocence, all the way up to the needle in her arm. I just wish CA and GA would pay for what they did to cover this all up!

[denjet]

George and Cindy attended Somer Thompson's funeral !!
(apologize if this is old news)
the nerve of these people to interject themselves into other family's tragedy !! :mad:
Here's the link I found it in:
http://www.cayleedaily.com/

[KP1935]

George and Cindy attended Somer Thompson's funeral !!

The sad part of that is that they mentioned the Scamthony's and Mark Lunsford in the same sentence. Talk about night and day.

So long as the Scamthony's weren't running to the television cameras to tell everybody that they were there for Somer, I'm okay with them being there. They're media wh@res!

[crimeq]

Thanks Crimie, that is a keeper for sure and will figure prominently in the trial, right along with this little gem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nig-ITwHAWM

The jury is going to love hearing from this little liar. :cuss:

WOW. She changes horses in midstream so fast to answer the detectives' questions. Truly a skilled liar; maybe not an effective one, but she sure can make the lies roll off her tongue glibly. "What a waste."

I loved when the detective said: "We've already figured out a lot more than you think we've figured out." Didn't take long for that to happen :sneaky:

[LadyHam]

WOW. She changes horses in midstream so fast to answer the detectives' questions. Truly a skilled liar; maybe not an effective one, but she sure can make the lies roll off her tongue glibly. "What a waste."

I loved when the detective said: "We've already figured out a lot more than you think we've figured out." Didn't take long for that to happen :sneaky:

I'm just surprised how calm, cool and collected Casey was while the detectives were interviewing her. It's as if she didn't have a care in the world. Never mind that her 2 year old child was missing.:sneaky:

[crimeq]

The sad part of that is that they mentioned the Scamthony's and Mark Lunsford in the same sentence. Talk about night and day.

So long as the Scamthony's weren't running to the television cameras to tell everybody that they were there for Somer, I'm okay with them being there. They're media wh@res!

Yes but the way the sentence was constructed, they acknowledged that Mark Lunsford's daughter had been a murder victim. They didn't say anything about how Caylee died.

[Kathlb]

George and Cindy attended Somer Thompson's funeral !!
(apologize if this is old news)
the nerve of these people to interject themselves into other family's tragedy !! :mad:
Here's the link I found it in:
http://www.cayleedaily.com/

I wonder if the Anthony's realize at all just how hated they are? A message board on that site to pay respects to little Somer and her family and almost all of the comments are spewing hate for the Anthony's for showing up. Everywhere they go places are infected with hate. I have no idea why they don't realize just how hated they are right now and stay home out of the limelight. If I had been Somer's mother and looked up and saw them coming at me, it would have put me right over the edge. People need love and warmth and caring around them on this awful day, not people who are hated for lying and trying to get a murderer off. Will they never understand that??

[PrincessR]

I wonder if the Anthony's realize at all just how hated they are? A message board on that site to pay respects to little Somer and her family and almost all of the comments are spewing hate for the Anthony's for showing up. Everywhere they go places are infected with hate. I have no idea why they don't realize just how hated they are right now and stay home out of the limelight. If I had been Somer's mother and looked up and saw them coming at me, it would have put me right over the edge. People need love and warmth and caring around them on this awful day, not people who are hated for lying and trying to get a murderer off. Will they never understand that??

I think that they realize it. They just don't care. JMO

[Sun]

Cindy and Lee both seem to be very "unsatisfied" with how the tip was investigated, in regards to the alledged siting of Caylee at the airport. Guess who investigated that tip? Samara Melich!

And, we know that Cindy was not at all happy with Yuri Melich very early on in the investigation. Do we know if Yuri and Samara are related? I'm thinking so (wasn't Yuri someone's husband at the dept?), but my memory is shaky on this.

[MisterGrey]

George and Cindy attended Somer Thompson's funeral !!
(apologize if this is old news)
the nerve of these people to interject themselves into other family's tragedy !! :mad:
Here's the link I found it in:
http://www.cayleedaily.com/
The Anthonys were responding in their professional capacity as founders of their foundation, I am sure. After all, they must do something recordable in the "community outreach category" to laud their dedication to their new life calling.

Besides, they have not updated their website since July so they needed something to use to blow their own horn.

How unfortunate that they were so exhausted upon their return from their after-court getaway cruise, that they were unable to respond with boat, booths and donation jars earlier this week.

[SayItAgain]

Yes, going back and reviewing some of the early Discovery is a good reminder of what LE had to deal with.

I give all of you who are still able to watch and listen to this family major props. I get so over-the-top angry at the mere sound of any of their voices, it's just not worth it to me.

[desmom]

Sydney Theatre Company Presents TOT MOM, Opens December 23
http://australia.broadwayworld.com/article/Sydney_Theatre_Company_Presents_TOT_MOM_Opens_Dece mber_23_20091019

http://www.sydneytheatre.com.au/2009/tot-mom

:ohmy:

[SayItAgain]

George and Cindy attended Somer Thompson's funeral !!
(apologize if this is old news)
the nerve of these people to interject themselves into other family's tragedy !! :mad:
Here's the link I found it in:
http://www.cayleedaily.com/

Wonder if they handed out cards for the foundation? :glare:

Was reading comments and found this video. It's pretty funny and suits my general attitude toward these people: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aOFUEEU71Y (warning: the video features a bit of colorful language -- just one word, actually)

[crimeq]

Sydney Theatre Company Presents TOT MOM, Opens December 23
http://australia.broadwayworld.com/article/Sydney_Theatre_Company_Presents_TOT_MOM_Opens_Dece mber_23_20091019

http://www.sydneytheatre.com.au/2009/tot-mom

:ohmy:

WOW! :w00t: I'd love to see that! I wonder if the script is available ... will do some checking.

[KP1935]

Yes but the way the sentence was constructed, they acknowledged that Mark Lunsford's daughter had been a murder victim. They didn't say anything about how Caylee died.

Good point. Still bugs me though. :biggrin:

[Kathlb]

Sydney Theatre Company Presents TOT MOM, Opens December 23
http://australia.broadwayworld.com/article/Sydney_Theatre_Company_Presents_TOT_MOM_Opens_Dece mber_23_20091019

http://www.sydneytheatre.com.au/2009/tot-mom

:ohmy:

She will have trouble mimic-ing that horrible ugly attitude and evil face Cindy showed in her depo with Morgan & Morgan. Then again, if you're an actress, it's a part to sink your teeth into. :rolleyes:

[ish]

Does anyone know what shape the WHITNEY laundry bag that Caylee was placed in was? I have seen photos of 2 different styles. One was a rectangle and one was a cylinder type, kind of a spring loaded pop up one. I have something similar that I bought in Lowe's for leaf/yard waste.

It's possible the bag was sturdy enough to hold Caylee's remains without leaking for sometime. The fluids would have had to leak out of the other two bags first and then the laundry bag. it's possible the bag has a rubberized/waterproof/reistant bottom. I think it is possible Caylee was in the trunk for several days before Casey dumped her, probably on one of her runs to HopeSpring to collect clothing.

As far as Cindy's stories I think while she and Casey were working on the "Caylee is missing" myspace, Casey told Cindy some BS and in typical Cindy style she took that crap and like Rumpelstiltskin wove a stream of lies and fantasy.

[museumgirl]

I think that they realize it. They just don't care. JMO

I can't even state how much I agree with this... these people are repulsive!!!!

[LadyHam]

Sydney Theatre Company Presents TOT MOM, Opens December 23
http://australia.broadwayworld.com/article/Sydney_Theatre_Company_Presents_TOT_MOM_Opens_Dece mber_23_20091019

http://www.sydneytheatre.com.au/2009/tot-mom

:ohmy:

:ohmy: ..........

[crimeq]

Good point. Still bugs me though. :biggrin:

It bugs me too - the nerve of Cindy and George just irks the he$$ out of me.

Apparently the TV media didn't give them coverage??? I hope none shows up.

[desmom]

Does anyone know what shape the WHITNEY laundry bag that Caylee was placed in was? I have seen photos of 2 different styles. One was a rectangle and one was a cylinder type, kind of a spring loaded pop up one. I have something similar that I bought in Lowe's for leaf/yard waste.

It's possible the bag was sturdy enough to hold Caylee's remains without leaking for sometime. The fluids would have had to leak out of the other two bags first and then the laundry bag. it's possible the bag has a rubberized/waterproof/reistant bottom. I think it is possible Caylee was in the trunk for several days before Casey dumped her, probably on one of her runs to HopeSpring to collect clothing.

As far as Cindy's stories I think while she and Casey were working on the "Caylee is missing" myspace, Casey told Cindy some BS and in typical Cindy style she took that crap and like Rumpelstiltskin wove a stream of lies and fantasy.

page 6 http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/06/19/caylee.anthony.autopsy.pdf

Canvas-texture type material on the outside
Smooth, coated material on the inside
Open loop at the top of the laundry bag keep it round by what appears to be due to a metal ring which is seen on x-ray.
Ring diameter - 16 1/2".
Laundry bag height 24"
21" long canvas strap loops attached to top of laundry bag.

[Sun]

Does anyone know what shape the WHITNEY laundry bag that Caylee was placed in was? I have seen photos of 2 different styles. One was a rectangle and one was a cylinder type, kind of a spring loaded pop up one. I have something similar that I bought in Lowe's for leaf/yard waste.

It's possible the bag was sturdy enough to hold Caylee's remains without leaking for sometime. The fluids would have had to leak out of the other two bags first and then the laundry bag. it's possible the bag has a rubberized/waterproof/reistant bottom. I think it is possible Caylee was in the trunk for several days before Casey dumped her, probably on one of her runs to HopeSpring to collect clothing.

As far as Cindy's stories I think while she and Casey were working on the "Caylee is missing" myspace, Casey told Cindy some BS and in typical Cindy style she took that crap and like Rumpelstiltskin wove a stream of lies and fantasy.

The shape of the laundry bag found with Caylee's remains was cylinder. Lined canvas, with either plastic or vinyl (can't remember this detail exactly).

[Scampi]

I give all of you who are still able to watch and listen to this family major props. I get so over-the-top angry at the mere sound of any of their voices, it's just not worth it to me.

Here is the best part of the Universal interview. Yuri Melich let's her have it, telling her everything she has told them is a lie. I love this interview. He tells casey anthony she is a callous coldblooded monster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rA4nBgphfQ

Like everyone has said, they knew what they were dealing with, right from the start.

[crimeq]

WOW! :w00t: I'd love to see that! I wonder if the script is available ... will do some checking.

Well, I couldn't find a manuscript in all the traditional sources. I emailed the Sydney playhouse to find out about getting a copy. Will keep you posted.

[crimeq]

page 6 http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/06/19/caylee.anthony.autopsy.pdf

Canvas-texture type material on the outside
Smooth, coated material on the inside
Open loop at the top of the laundry bag keep it round by what appears to be due to a metal ring which is seen on x-ray.
Ring diameter - 16 1/2".
Laundry bag height 24"
21" long canvas strap loops attached to top of laundry bag.

Wasn't the picture of this bag one that Cindy stumbled and stuttered over, when asked if she recognized it? She seemed to go to great lengths to maintain she simply couldn't tell what it was from looking at the picture.

The bag was a hot button; the carseat was a hot button ... what else?

(Like Casey, Cindy is way too cool about the specifics of this case.)

[Sun]

Sydney Theatre Company Presents TOT MOM, Opens December 23
http://australia.broadwayworld.com/article/Sydney_Theatre_Company_Presents_TOT_MOM_Opens_Dece mber_23_20091019

http://www.sydneytheatre.com.au/2009/tot-mom

:ohmy:

Oh My is right! Nancy Grace would have made the perfect person to cast in the role of the prosecutor!

[ish]

page 6 http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/06/19/caylee.anthony.autopsy.pdf

Canvas-texture type material on the outside
Smooth, coated material on the inside
Open loop at the top of the laundry bag keep it round by what appears to be due to a metal ring which is seen on x-ray.
Ring diameter - 16 1/2".
Laundry bag height 24"
21" long canvas strap loops attached to top of laundry bag.

Thanks Des!

[crimeq]

Oh My is right! Nancy Grace would have made the perfect person to cast in the role of the prosecutor!

The actress playing Nancy Grace in the play is the former college roommate of Cate Blanchett. (Little bit of theater trivia.)

[crimeq]

Here is the best part of the Universal interview. Yuri Melich let's her have it, telling her everything she has told them is a lie. I love this interview. He tells casey anthony she is a callous coldblooded monster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rA4nBgphfQ

Like everyone has said, they knew what they were dealing with, right from the start.

Yes, Yuri unleashed on her and she still continued the lying.

[desmom]

Wasn't the picture of this bag one that Cindy stumbled and stuttered over, when asked if she recognized it? She seemed to go to great lengths to maintain she simply couldn't tell what it was from looking at the picture.

The bag was a hot button; the carseat was a hot button ... what else?

(Like Casey, Cindy is way too cool about the specifics of this case.)

The conversation begins on page 339 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html when they showed her picture #29 (page 432)

[desmom]

Well, I couldn't find a manuscript in all the traditional sources. I emailed the Sydney playhouse to find out about getting a copy. Will keep you posted.

Thanks! :seeya:

[crimeq]

Here is the best part of the Universal interview. Yuri Melich let's her have it, telling her everything she has told them is a lie. I love this interview. He tells casey anthony she is a callous coldblooded monster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rA4nBgphfQ

Like everyone has said, they knew what they were dealing with, right from the start.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxVfaLPM2Is&feature=related

This is the segment where they get on Casey about her relationship/pressure/fear as related to Cindy.

[achristie]

Some of you may have "refreshed" your memories of this case more frequently than I, but when I was watching Rick's youtubes yesterday, other interviews popped up in youtube.

I listened to the very first taped interview LE gave Casey at home that first night. I'm AMAZED at easily the glib lies roll off her tongue.

The interviewer is very good and asks her questions with timeframes related to them, and Casey takes a pause to make up her answer. It's almost possible to hear the wheels of her lie-making brain turning.

After being involved in watching this case for so long now, it's unbelievable to go back and hear Casey at the very beginning of the case. It's dumbfounding, in fact!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjJh6r-yWyw

OMG. It is indeed dumbfounding ! I'm on page 5.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rA4nBgphfQ&feature=related

These interviews are soooo incriminating. Case closed.

MOO Aggie

[Lavinya]

Here is the best part of the Universal interview. Yuri Melich let's her have it, telling her everything she has told them is a lie. I love this interview. He tells casey anthony she is a callous coldblooded monster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rA4nBgphfQ

Like everyone has said, they knew what they were dealing with, right from the start.

Melich: "Every single thing you told us was a lie!"

Casey: "Not *everything*." :glare:

(Hey Chickens! :seeya:)

[summer]

George and Cindy attended Somer Thompson's funeral !!
(apologize if this is old news)
the nerve of these people to interject themselves into other family's tragedy !! :mad:
Here's the link I found it in:
http://www.cayleedaily.com/

So repulsive and sickening! They prey on people too convulsed with grief to tell them to beat it. Except for Haleigh's family who are probably an anomaly in this regard.

They're beyond disgusting... they have no place in decent society.

[crimeq]

Melich: "Every single thing you told us was a lie!"

Casey: "Not *everything*." :glare:

(Hey Chickens! :seeya:)

I'm so glad to see you back here, Lavinya! Glad you're feeling better. :wub:

[LadyHam]

Melich: "Every single thing you told us was a lie!"

Casey: "Not *everything*." :glare:

(Hey Chickens! :seeya:)

The fact that she would lie about anything at all when LE was trying to help her find her daughter is repulsive. I hope these tapes are played for the jury. I have no doubt in my mind that the defense will try to get them thrown out, but I hope they are not successful.

[summer]

Melich: "Every single thing you told us was a lie!"

Casey: "Not *everything*." :glare:

(Hey Chickens! :seeya:)

Lavinya, I remember the first time I heard about this case. I wasn't paying much attention to the report at first but I was immediately struck by the phrase "everything she told us was a lie." It was just so strong and certain. I thought, whoa, *everything* she told them was a lie? I couldn't ever remember hearing anything so strong so early in a case. Usually it's, *a person of interest*, etc. and dancing around.

So I immediately thought, wow. This is pretty bad. They left no wiggle room at all.. pretty unusual! And then of course right on the heels of that I heard Cindy telling Greta she would collapse if she was asked any meaningful questions about the MOTY and within a 24 hour window I got the picture.

[Lavinya]

I'm so glad to see you back here, Lavinya! Glad you're feeling better. :wub:

Thank you crime! :wub: (Good to be back!)

[Lavinya]

Lavinya, I remember the first time I heard about this case. I wasn't paying much attention to the report at first but I was immediately struck by the phrase "everything she told us was a lie." It was just so strong and certain. I thought, whoa, *everything* she told them was a lie? I couldn't ever remember hearing anything so strong so early in a case. Usually it's, *a person of interest*, etc. and dancing around.

So I immediately thought, wow. This is pretty bad. They left no wiggle room at all.. pretty unusual! And then of course right on the heels of that I heard Cindy telling Greta she would collapse if she was asked any meaningful questions about the MOTY and within a 24 hour window I got the picture.

Same here, Summer. I was just listening to the aforementioned clip and realized that LE KNEW. They KNEW. They would not have put their credibility on the line by flat out telling her she killed Caylee and she was lying about it. Like you say, that would give them no wiggle room in the event there was some other scenario.

I see the Anthony's are still out spreading the love among people that have more problems than hosting their (Anthony's)<shudder> agenda. I can NOT think of a more despicable family. Ugh.

[spiritwolf46]

George and Cindy attended Somer Thompson's funeral !!
(apologize if this is old news)
the nerve of these people to interject themselves into other family's tragedy !! :mad:
Here's the link I found it in:
http://www.cayleedaily.com/

For some odd reason, this does not surprise me, what so ever!!!! But is still IRKS the heck out of me!!!

The nerve is right!

Howdy to all my fellow posters, by the way!!!! :wub:

[spiritwolf46]

So repulsive and sickening! They prey on people too convulsed with grief to tell them to beat it. Except for Haleigh's family who are probably an anomaly in this regard.

They're beyond disgusting... they have no place in decent society.

CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP! Soooooo right on the spot!

[summer]

For some odd reason, this does not surprise me, what so ever!!!! But is still IRKS the heck out of me!!!

The nerve is right!

Howdy to all my fellow posters, by the way!!!! :wub:

Hiya Spiritwolf! :seeya:

[Lavinya]

For some odd reason, this does not surprise me, what so ever!!!! But is still IRKS the heck out of me!!!

The nerve is right!

Howdy to all my fellow posters, by the way!!!! :wub:

Hey spirit! LTNS! :seeya:

Consider me among the irked. If someone made this behavior up to place in a work of fiction, no one would believe it, IMO.

[achristie]

After listening to these U Tube interviews I have some questions. I'm hoping the regular posters will bear with me. Has it been documented that Tony picked her up after she left her car at Amscot? Has it been documented that she left notes on her car? And have we seen an interview with Jeff Hopkins ?

I'm blown away that she is documented saying the last day she saw Caylee was June 9th.

This little mother is TOAST.

MOO Aggie

[Dtviewer3]

After listening to these U Tube interviews I have some questions. I'm hoping the regular posters will bear with me. Has it been documented that Tony picked her up after she left her car at Amscot?
Yes, Tony picked her up. She was waiting there with bags with groceries/food when he got there. Not sure where she got them from.

Has it been documented that she left notes on her car?
No, no one has ever seen these notes that I'm aware of.

And have we seen an interview with Jeff Hopkins ?
Good question. I cant remember off hand, but I do remember that Jeff did not have a son named Zach and never had met or knew the Nanny.

I'm blown away that she is documented saying the last day she saw Caylee was June 9th.

This little mother is TOAST.
Agreed.

MOO Aggie

Above in red.

[Katprint]

After listening to these U Tube interviews I have some questions. I'm hoping the regular posters will bear with me. Has it been documented that Tony picked her up after she left her car at Amscot? Has it been documented that she left notes on her car? And have we seen an interview with Jeff Hopkins ?

I'm blown away that she is documented saying the last day she saw Caylee was June 9th.

This little mother is TOAST.

MOO Aggie
I'm not sure what you consider "documentation" but when TonE (Lazzarro) was interviewed by the police, he corroborated Casey's story that he picked her up from Amscot. I don't recall seeing any corroboration concerning Casey leaving any notes on her car. The police located Jeff Hopkins - whom Casey went to high school with but who had not worked at Universal Studios since 2002 - and interviewed him, and it turns out he neither has a child (and thus no need for a nanny) nor has he had contact with Casey in recent years. Subsequently the Anthonys insisted that Casey was referring to a DIFFERENT Jeff Hopkins.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Anakerie]

I'm not sure what you consider "documentation" but when TonE (Lazzarro) was interviewed by the police, he corroborated Casey's story that he picked her up from Amscot. I don't recall seeing any corroboration concerning Casey leaving any notes on her car. The police located Jeff Hopkins - whom Casey went to high school with but who had not worked at Universal Studios since 2002 - and interviewed him, and it turns out he neither has a child (and thus no need for a nanny) nor has he had contact with Casey in recent years. Subsequently the Anthonys insisted that Casey was referring to a DIFFERENT Jeff Hopkins.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions
:rolleyes: Of course it was a different Jeff Hopkins, I mean, doesn't everyone know at least two people with the same name, same age and very similar job history? :rolleyes:

I swear, the Anthonys have such an inflated opinion of their own "intelligence". If this story had been written for a movie or a book, it would have bombed horribly because the whole thing is so completely unbelievable. I will never understand how the Anthony family can expect the world to believe the ever changing story they've fed the world since last July.

[hello its me]

Hey spirit! LTNS! :seeya:

Consider me among the irked. If someone made this behavior up to place in a work of fiction, no one would believe it, IMO.

Somer's family has too much class to have a "no admit- characters of interest" list, or surely the Anthonys would have been on it.

They welcomed everyone, regardless of motives, to share in the joy that was Somer's life and mourn her death.

[crimeq]

Lavinya, I remember the first time I heard about this case. I wasn't paying much attention to the report at first but I was immediately struck by the phrase "everything she told us was a lie." It was just so strong and certain. I thought, whoa, *everything* she told them was a lie? I couldn't ever remember hearing anything so strong so early in a case. Usually it's, *a person of interest*, etc. and dancing around.

So I immediately thought, wow. This is pretty bad. They left no wiggle room at all.. pretty unusual! And then of course right on the heels of that I heard Cindy telling Greta she would collapse if she was asked any meaningful questions about the MOTY and within a 24 hour window I got the picture.

Summer, the first inkling I had of this case was the Greta interview. In fact, I was browsing on a site for survivors of borderline personalities, and someone wrote: Look at THIS! (with link to Greta) -- and -- what do you all think? So some experts had Cindy pegged from the start.

I doubt there's ever been another case remotely like this one.

Casey has icewater running through her veins and an icemaker for a heart.

[spiritwolf46]

Somer's family has too much class to have a "no admit- characters of interest" list, or surely the Anthonys would have been on it.

They welcomed everyone, regardless of motives, to share in the joy that was Somer's life.

How very nice and you are so right!

The Anthony's need to just stay away and find hobbys! They truly ARE media hogs that enjoy the spotlight WAY to much and it is so sad that they seem to prey on those that cannot or will not do something to keep them away.

They enjoyed the spotlight more than they EVER put any interest in looking for their granddaughter, they enjoyed or at least TRIED to enjoy the spotlight off of the Cummins, they tried to enjoy the spotlight for other foundations and thanks to this wonderful group, they were canned from doing that and so much more.

They truly do make my head and stomach sick to think that there are people like them out there in this world.

[AnnieKins]

George and Cindy attended Somer Thompson's funeral !!
(apologize if this is old news)
the nerve of these people to interject themselves into other family's tragedy !! :mad:
Here's the link I found it in:
http://www.cayleedaily.com/

The only reason they would show up there is bring attention to themselves. Absolutely no other reason.

If I had been part of Somer's family, I would have asked them to leave. :cursing:

[crimeq]

After listening to these U Tube interviews I have some questions. I'm hoping the regular posters will bear with me. Has it been documented that Tony picked her up after she left her car at Amscot? Has it been documented that she left notes on her car? And have we seen an interview with Jeff Hopkins ?

I'm blown away that she is documented saying the last day she saw Caylee was June 9th.

This little mother is TOAST.

MOO Aggie

Tony did pick her up from Amscot. She had with her a bag of groceries that apparently came from the Anthony home, including FROZEN chicken and popsicles. Kind of makes me wonder about her car running out of gas and needing a push into the parking space at Amscot and popsicles didn't melt?

I don't think LE found that notes had been left on Casey's care at Amscot. Question: WHY would she need to leave TWO notes? :confused: Doesn't make sense; one would have been sufficient.

The Jeff Hopkins she speaks of has not been located, just as Juliette Lewis has not been located. Funny that the only two people she spoke with about Caylee's disappearance in that 31 day time period don't exist. Isn't it strange she wouldn't speak of something like this to Tony, her boyfriend? Why Jeff? Why Juliette? Oh, wait -- because they are her invis-friends.

[AnnieKins]

She will have trouble mimic-ing that horrible ugly attitude and evil face Cindy showed in her depo with Morgan & Morgan. Then again, if you're an actress, it's a part to sink your teeth into. :rolleyes:

Like a rabid doberman on a lunge line. :laugh:

[jessie]

I wonder if the Anthony's realize at all just how hated they are? A message board on that site to pay respects to little Somer and her family and almost all of the comments are spewing hate for the Anthony's for showing up. Everywhere they go places are infected with hate. I have no idea why they don't realize just how hated they are right now and stay home out of the limelight. If I had been Somer's mother and looked up and saw them coming at me, it would have put me right over the edge. People need love and warmth and caring around them on this awful day, not people who are hated for lying and trying to get a murderer off. Will they never understand that?? The Anthonys dont care what people think or say about them. After all, they are the Anthonys. JMO

[crimeq]

After listening to these U Tube interviews I have some questions. I'm hoping the regular posters will bear with me. Has it been documented that Tony picked her up after she left her car at Amscot? Has it been documented that she left notes on her car? And have we seen an interview with Jeff Hopkins ?

I'm blown away that she is documented saying the last day she saw Caylee was June 9th.

This little mother is TOAST.

MOO Aggie

Aggie, re: June 9th: I'm still confused about this. EVERYONE of the Anthonys first said the last day they saw Caylee was June 9th. What are the chances of all of them "mis-remembering" that date, and pegging it exactly to June 9th? (I think if uncertain, they'd say they weren't sure; instead they all stated it was June 9th.)

The June 9th detail is one of the early clues that came out that made me feel there had been some kind of family confabulation, getting their stories straight, early-on in the case--but I wonder when they would have had time to do that before LE got to the house.

Also, Casey was saying "31 days" and Cindy, George and Lee were repeating "31 days." 31 days backwards from the date Cindy picked up Casey at Tony's is NOT June 9th, but is June 16th. So how did they all got off on the date, and the count of days?

[Anakerie]

The only reason they would show up there is bring attention to themselves. Absolutely no other reason.

If I had been part of Somer's family, I would have asked them to leave. :cursing:
Has anyone seen any video of the service for Somer that shows the Anthonys? I'm hoping they were sorely disappointed by having no cameras pointed in their direction.

The only reason Cindy and George have for showing up at a child's memorial service is to get publicity for their "foundation/scam" and I truly hope that no media gave them what they wanted.

[Lavinya]

Somer's family has too much class to have a "no admit- characters of interest" list, or surely the Anthonys would have been on it.

They welcomed everyone, regardless of motives, to share in the joy that was Somer's life and mourn her death.

Hey HIM. :seeya:

You are so right. Maybe if the Anthony's ever have a memorial for Caylee and not just a Casey/Cindy pep-rally, they would allow people who would like to celebrate Caylee's short life. Photos releases to major media to follow, of course. :angry:

[achristie]

Above in red.

Thanks, DT. I've followed, but not as closely as the regular posters. I can't imagine any SANE juror listening to all of this and walking away wondering who murdered this child. To me it is a no brainer.

MOO Aggie

[Deannalynn]

Some of you may have "refreshed" your memories of this case more frequently than I, but when I was watching Rick's youtubes yesterday, other interviews popped up in youtube.

I listened to the very first taped interview LE gave Casey at home that first night. I'm AMAZED at easily the glib lies roll off her tongue.

The interviewer is very good and asks her questions with timeframes related to them, and Casey takes a pause to make up her answer. It's almost possible to hear the wheels of her lie-making brain turning.

After being involved in watching this case for so long now, it's unbelievable to go back and hear Casey at the very beginning of the case. It's dumbfounding, in fact!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjJh6r-yWyw

Listening to this again only confirms to all of us that Casey was lying straight up from day one. I could tell she was immediately. No phone numbers but says she spoke to these people as close to a week before. It's obvious that the detective does not believe Casey, either.
Boy her story changed quite a few times since the 16th of July 2008.
(Depending who she spoke with)
What kind of a defense attorney is Baez. He really slays me.

[summer]

Summer, the first inkling I had of this case was the Greta interview. In fact, I was browsing on a site for survivors of borderline personalities, and someone wrote: Look at THIS! (with link to Greta) -- and -- what do you all think? So some experts had Cindy pegged from the start.

I doubt there's ever been another case remotely like this one.

Casey has icewater running through her veins and an icemaker for a heart.

Fascinating, crimeq. Aren't the internets (sic) grand? :smile:

[achristie]

I'm not sure what you consider "documentation" but when TonE (Lazzarro) was interviewed by the police, he corroborated Casey's story that he picked her up from Amscot. I don't recall seeing any corroboration concerning Casey leaving any notes on her car. The police located Jeff Hopkins - whom Casey went to high school with but who had not worked at Universal Studios since 2002 - and interviewed him, and it turns out he neither has a child (and thus no need for a nanny) nor has he had contact with Casey in recent years. Subsequently the Anthonys insisted that Casey was referring to a DIFFERENT Jeff Hopkins.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Thanks to you, too. What a joke this is, were it not so serious and sad.

[crimeq]

Like a rabid doberman on a lunge line. :laugh:

LOL love that line :thumbsup:

Annie, is that a new dress? :scared:

[crimeq]

Has anyone seen any video of the service for Somer that shows the Anthonys? I'm hoping they were sorely disappointed by having no cameras pointed in their direction.

The only reason Cindy and George have for showing up at a child's memorial service is to get publicity for their "foundation/scam" and I truly hope that no media gave them what they wanted.

Anakerie, this is my hope too. I hope media shuns Cindy and George when they show up for these sad events.

[AnnieKins]

Summer, the first inkling I had of this case was the Greta interview. In fact, I was browsing on a site for survivors of borderline personalities, and someone wrote: Look at THIS! (with link to Greta) -- and -- what do you all think? So some experts had Cindy pegged from the start.

I doubt there's ever been another case remotely like this one.

Casey has icewater running through her veins and an icemaker for a heart.

Hi Crimie!

Yes, she does... and she inherited that from her mother. Shudder. :scared:

[summer]

LOL love that line :thumbsup:

Annie, is that a new dress? :scared:

I do believe Annie has a new dress and ain't it purty? :laugh:

[AnnieKins]

How very nice and you are so right!

The Anthony's need to just stay away and find hobbys! They truly ARE media hogs that enjoy the spotlight WAY to much and it is so sad that they seem to prey on those that cannot or will not do something to keep them away.

They enjoyed the spotlight more than they EVER put any interest in looking for their granddaughter, they enjoyed or at least TRIED to enjoy the spotlight off of the Cummins, they tried to enjoy the spotlight for other foundations and thanks to this wonderful group, they were canned from doing that and so much more.

They truly do make my head and stomach sick to think that there are people like them out there in this world.

Good to see you, Wolfie!

I believe George and Cindy's new "hobby" is pretending to care about other lost and murdered children. It's a role they're playing in order to further their foundation and to line their pockets. I wish they'd drop off the face of the earth.

[summer]

Anakerie, this is my hope too. I hope media shuns Cindy and George when they show up for these sad events.

Hopefully no pics but they were mentioned in the article. Why I ask... why? Please media when you cover these tragic events ... please don't give the A's any ink. I'm begging you.

[Serena]

I don't even know how the Anthonys can keep track of all the lies that have been told. Oh, wait -- they can't. They keep slipping up and slipping up. I just can't comprehend how George and Cindy, who appeared to have genuinely loved Caylee, can go to these lengths to protect Casey. They must know what she did; nobody can be that deep in denial. Can they? I'll just be glad when that heartless woman's trial is over and she receives the sentence she so richly deserves.

[crimeq]

Fascinating, crimeq. Aren't the internets (sic) grand? :smile:

Oh I love the internet. Sometimes I wonder if it's my downfall :wink:
On the other hand, I used to spend hours and hours at the library looking up whatever information I happened to be interested in at the moment, so the internet simply facilitated my curiosity.

I'm so grateful to Al Gore for discovering the internet. :rolleyes:

[AnnieKins]

LOL love that line :thumbsup:

Annie, is that a new dress? :scared:

Yep. And I tried SO HARD to be good. :laugh:

[summer]

Good to see you, Wolfie!

I believe George and Cindy's new "hobby" is pretending to care about other lost and murdered children. It's a role they're playing in order to further their foundation and to line their pockets. I wish they'd drop off the face of the earth.

Can you just imagine it, Annie. As soon as there's a murdered child they probably start scrambling to find out where the memorial is and start picking out jewelry. Cindy with all her crap and George with his honkin earring. Whatarewegonna wear George? George, are you listening? George!

[crimeq]

I do believe Annie has a new dress and ain't it purty? :laugh:

Why, it's just lovely! Very nice, Annie.

[AnnieKins]

I do believe Annie has a new dress and ain't it purty? :laugh:

Thanks, Summer. Does it make my butt look fat?

:laugh:

[desmom]

Hopefully no pics but they were mentioned in the article. Why I ask... why? Please media when you cover these tragic events ... please don't give the A's any ink. I'm begging you.

sorry http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/10/george-and-cindy-anthony-atten.html

[summer]

sorry http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/10/george-and-cindy-anthony-atten.html

Oh geez. :sad:

[Serena]

Oh geez. :sad:
Ditto. That is so disgusting.

[onlykaty]

sorry http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/10/george-and-cindy-anthony-atten.html


That figures, their both disgusting imo. I'll be so glad when Casey comes to trial and puts a end to G and C period! No more play acting for them. They can spend their time visiting their daughter in prison or writing her letters sent to DR. Once Casey is convicted the days of them getting anyone to beleive that they are victims will be OVER, as if many do now.,,jmo

[jakee]

sorry http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/10/george-and-cindy-anthony-atten.html

Oh for heaven's sake. They make me so angry. And what is wrong with the picture, it makes them look like Planet of the apes.

[Anakerie]

sorry http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/10/george-and-cindy-anthony-atten.html
Oh crud. There went that wish... **sigh**

[Lavinya]

Yep. And I tried SO HARD to be good. :laugh:

We just can't take you anywhere nice, Annie. :lol:

(Good to see you, girl! :wub:)

[summer]

Oh for heaven's sake. They make me so angry. And what is wrong with the picture, it makes them look like Planet of the apes.

lol Cindy's shoulders look like they're connected to her ears.

[desmom]

JB has said several times the truth will come out at trial. How is JB going to get the truth out at trial? Discredit the witnesses? How would that bring out the truth?

Is JB considering putting Casey on the witness stand?

[summer]

Here's what I hope for. Even though I'd love to see them nailed and wriggling like bugs being questioned at trial - even better is the scenario of the prosecution keeping them on the witness list, having them sequestered (at a Motel 6) throughout the trial, separate rooms, and having them never be called to the stand.

I'd like to see them benched for the duration with nothing to comfort themselves but ... themselves.

After the trial they can just jump into a hot air balloon for real and drift away. Sigh..... :smile:

[spydernweb2006]

Tony did pick her up from Amscot. She had with her a bag of groceries that apparently came from the Anthony home, including FROZEN chicken and popsicles. Kind of makes me wonder about her car running out of gas and needing a push into the parking space at Amscot and popsicles didn't melt?

I don't think LE found that notes had been left on Casey's care at Amscot. Question: WHY would she need to leave TWO notes? :confused: Doesn't make sense; one would have been sufficient.

The Jeff Hopkins she speaks of has not been located, just as Juliette Lewis has not been located. Funny that the only two people she spoke with about Caylee's disappearance in that 31 day time period don't exist. Isn't it strange she wouldn't speak of something like this to Tony, her boyfriend? Why Jeff? Why Juliette? Oh, wait -- because they are her invis-friends.


I stil believe Zanny the Nanny, Jeff Hopkins and Juliette Lewis are all with Scott Peterson's buddy Paschal in France...... They may be in Brussell's by now tho.....



JMHO

hugs,
Spyder

[Lavinya]

lol Cindy's shoulders look like they're connected to her ears.

I can't tell by that pic so much... I think having a chest full of necklaces, a la Mr. T, will do that for your silhouette though.

[desmom]

Here's what I hope for. Even though I'd love to see them nailed and wriggling like bugs being questioned at trial - even better is the scenario of the prosecution keeping them on the witness list, having them sequestered (at a Motel 6) throughout the trial, separate rooms, and having them never be called to the stand.

I'd like to see them benched for the duration with nothing to comfort themselves but ... themselves.

After the trial they can just jump into a hot air balloon for real and drift away. Sigh..... :smile:

Will we see a repeat of the GJ? Will George be called to testify and not Cindy?

[TunaMelt]

Oh for heaven's sake. They make me so angry. And what is wrong with the picture, it makes them look like Planet of the apes.

:lol:

They do, they really do -- especially Mother Cindy.

And I see she hemmed up one of her dresses to mid thigh length, again.
:sneaky:
:thumbdown:

[summer]

Will we see a repeat of the GJ? Will George be called to testify and not Cindy?

Interesting, Des. He's been the front man, the bag man, at a few of these more recent events hasn't he. The autopsy hearing where he made a fool of himself comes to mind.

Yes I think that's a definite possibility.

[AnnieKins]

Oh for heaven's sake. They make me so angry. And what is wrong with the picture, it makes them look like Planet of the apes.

It's REALITY photography, jakee. Makes them look as ugly on the outside as they are on the inside.

[mickeymb35]

JB has said several times the truth will come out at trial. How is JB going to get the truth out at trial? Discredit the witnesses? How would that bring out the truth?

Is JB considering putting Casey on the witness stand?

Casey on the witness stand? Gosh, I hope so.

[achristie]

Tony did pick her up from Amscot. She had with her a bag of groceries that apparently came from the Anthony home, including FROZEN chicken and popsicles. Kind of makes me wonder about her car running out of gas and needing a push into the parking space at Amscot and popsicles didn't melt?

I don't think LE found that notes had been left on Casey's care at Amscot. Question: WHY would she need to leave TWO notes? :confused: Doesn't make sense; one would have been sufficient.

The Jeff Hopkins she speaks of has not been located, just as Juliette Lewis has not been located. Funny that the only two people she spoke with about Caylee's disappearance in that 31 day time period don't exist. Isn't it strange she wouldn't speak of something like this to Tony, her boyfriend? Why Jeff? Why Juliette? Oh, wait -- because they are her invis-friends.

No Jeff and no Juliette ? No ZFG ? What was this girl thinking? It's a life pattern. A pattern she has learned and lived by.

MOO Aggie

[crimeq]

sorry http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/10/george-and-cindy-anthony-atten.html

Drat, that's way move coverage and way more positive than I like to see for the Anthonys, and a plug for the foundation too. UGH.

[gaelicpeas]

Hal on the funeral:

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/

[achristie]

Aggie, re: June 9th: I'm still confused about this. EVERYONE of the Anthonys first said the last day they saw Caylee was June 9th. What are the chances of all of them "mis-remembering" that date, and pegging it exactly to June 9th? (I think if uncertain, they'd say they weren't sure; instead they all stated it was June 9th.)

The June 9th detail is one of the early clues that came out that made me feel there had been some kind of family confabulation, getting their stories straight, early-on in the case--but I wonder when they would have had time to do that before LE got to the house.

Also, Casey was saying "31 days" and Cindy, George and Lee were repeating "31 days." 31 days backwards from the date Cindy picked up Casey at Tony's is NOT June 9th, but is June 16th. So how did they all got off on the date, and the count of days?

CQ , I am with you. Did they have a powwow? How dumb could they be when there is a video of the child with her great-grandfather the following week?

I must say that I've had a small measure of sympathy for C and A, but it gets eaten away by everything they have done since this child died.

By all accounts they have turned this into a life long career. They have finally found their purpose in life..... Caylee Inc. Yuck.

MOO Aggie

[Pierre]

I do believe Annie has a new dress and ain't it purty? :laugh:

Yea, it's like a Halloween party that never ends, we know we are posting with posters we know, we just can't reconize them, sometimes we can. I've been on this board for years.

Anyway I heard the scamanthonys are out and about, why didn't they go to the vigils for sommers? That's when the support is needed.

[desmom]

Aggie, re: June 9th: I'm still confused about this. EVERYONE of the Anthonys first said the last day they saw Caylee was June 9th. What are the chances of all of them "mis-remembering" that date, and pegging it exactly to June 9th? (I think if uncertain, they'd say they weren't sure; instead they all stated it was June 9th.)

The June 9th detail is one of the early clues that came out that made me feel there had been some kind of family confabulation, getting their stories straight, early-on in the case--but I wonder when they would have had time to do that before LE got to the house.

Also, Casey was saying "31 days" and Cindy, George and Lee were repeating "31 days." 31 days backwards from the date Cindy picked up Casey at Tony's is NOT June 9th, but is June 16th. So how did they all got off on the date, and the count of days?

but, but Cindy said that was her fault. She was the one that said June 9 and once
she said it, the June 9 seed was planted in Casey's brain. :tonguewag:

I would think a mother would know the day her daughter was kidnapped...
but that is just my opinion.

[Anakerie]

Yea, it's like a Halloween party that never ends, we know we are posting with posters we know, we just can't reconize them, sometimes we can. I've been on this board for years.

Anyway I heard the scamanthonys are out and about, why didn't they go to the vigils for sommers? That's when the support is needed.
I don't think they had time to go to the vigils for Somer, with their cruise and all...

I keep seeing mentions of them being "advocates" for missing children and it's infuriating. They are not advocates for anything or anyone other than themselves, their daughter and their "foundation/scam". Other family's tragedies are only photo ops for George and Cindy so they can promote their agenda.

[Julie Dupree]

JB has said several times the truth will come out at trial. How is JB going to get the truth out at trial? Discredit the witnesses? How would that bring out the truth?

Is JB considering putting Casey on the witness stand?

Des, have you read anything that leads you to think JB might put her on the stand?

[SayItAgain]

JB has said several times the truth will come out at trial. How is JB going to get the truth out at trial? Discredit the witnesses? How would that bring out the truth?

Is JB considering putting Casey on the witness stand?

If Baez puts his girl on the stand, there'll be no truth coming out at trial. :rolleyes:

[BettyC]

Oh for heaven's sake. They make me so angry. And what is wrong with the picture, it makes them look like Planet of the apes.

That station did a screenshot of WFTV's video I think. I did a screenshot of it earlier and it's only slightly better than theirs.

http://i35.tinypic.com/2q2e0zr.jpg

[farrahrani]

but, but Cindy said that was her fault. She was the one that said June 9 and once
she said it, the June 9 seed was planted in Casey's brain. :tonguewag:

I would think a mother would know the day her daughter was kidnapped...
but that is just my opinion.


I think it's just more attempts to screw up the timeline. If nobody can come to a consensus on the last time they've seen Caylee, then it will that much harder to come up with a time of death.

At least it would have been before that Father's Day video was found. :tongueside:

[desmom]

Des, have you read anything that leads you to think JB might put her on the stand?

Just JB's "the truth will come out at trial".

[SayItAgain]

Yea, it's like a Halloween party that never ends, we know we are posting with posters we know, we just can't reconize them, sometimes we can. I've been on this board for years.

Anyway I heard the scamanthonys are out and about, why didn't they go to the vigils for sommers? That's when the support is needed.

Bolded to do this ---> :lol: :lol:

[desmom]

IIRC, Casey said she told Juliette Lewis about Caylee being kidnapped. Juliette Lewis is an actress - http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000496/

Looks like http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/10/27/caseycaylee-anthony-case-duct-tape-fathers-day-and-hopkins/ has found another actor in Casey's list of friends.

[SayItAgain]

but, but Cindy said that was her fault. She was the one that said June 9 and once
she said it, the June 9 seed was planted in Casey's brain. :tonguewag:

I would think a mother would know the day her daughter was kidnapped...
but that is just my opinion.

When you put Cindy's lil problem with the date she last saw Caylee alongside her ability to quote, chapter and verse, every boring detail of, for example, the trip to Jacksonville, the accident, the names of Zanny's family members, the time spent with Jeff and son Zach, etc., it reeks.

[Chardonnay]

I'm watching NG right now, and just to see Elizabeth Olten's mother's heart wrenching cries, just like Somer's mother's same cries, and to think NOT once did we see Casey react like this with Caylee. Then we had to see Cindy, react the way she did in her front yard. It sure makes you wonder..............

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Good Lord, I cannot believe my eyes. I so wanted to know that the A's did NOT present themselves at this poor childs funeral today only to log on and find out they DID! And they make me sick to my stomach!!

I don't know who is worse, Casey A or her mother and father. I really don't. But I AM SICKENED TO SEE thier photo op at little Somers funeral!!!!:thumbdown:

Bug

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I don't think they had time to go to the vigils for Somer, with their cruise and all...

I keep seeing mentions of them being "advocates" for missing children and it's infuriating. They are not advocates for anything or anyone other than themselves, their daughter and their "foundation/scam". Other family's tragedies are only photo ops for George and Cindy so they can promote their agenda.

IT IS Infuriating!! You are correct, Caylee was never missing she was MURDERED BY THEIR OWN CHILD, never missing. Cindy's "I gave you a month" proves she knew that she was in trouble, long before this fiasco ever started. The only way I will ever give Casey
A a pass is if she comes to trial to bury her mother, saying she last had Caylee as usual. This crime wreaks of involvement by her parents.
They have tried to cover this up for a year now. They sicken me no end.
I had one thought tonight AK ONE THOUGHT!! (at least they didn't show up at poor little somer's funeral) OMG when I logged in just now and saw this, I wanted to throw up. The Gall!

[kelloggirl]

Sydney Theatre Company Presents TOT MOM, Opens December 23
http://australia.broadwayworld.com/article/Sydney_Theatre_Company_Presents_TOT_MOM_Opens_Dece mber_23_20091019

http://www.sydneytheatre.com.au/2009/tot-mom

:ohmy:

Just catching up here tonight from earlier and I'm also like :scared:! I find this kind of jaw-dropping, really! This is hardly a two-bit production. Steven Soderbergh is a pretty well-known and very well-respected Hollywood director (Sex, Lies, Videotape; Traffic; Ocean's Eleven). I wonder what his take on this will be. I hope we have some IS'ers in Sydney who can attend. I think maybe Leanne Welch or Weich is from Australia, but not sure from where.

See, it's not just us FLABs that are aghast and fascinated by this case! Famous people are too!

P.S. Not surprised at all at the Anthony's attending Somer's funeral. They consulted their meteorologist - there was a 100% chance of cameras, so the weather was perfect!

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IIRC, Casey said she told Juliette Lewis about Caylee being kidnapped. Juliette Lewis is an actress - http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000496/

Looks like http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/10/27/caseycaylee-anthony-case-duct-tape-fathers-day-and-hopkins/ has found another actor in Casey's list of friends.
Yes and didn't we all find out that her local neighbors last names were Gonzales Fernandez and Zanaida? Ergo giving the location to her parents every single time she said she was close, and ZFG had her....
I never saw PROOF that the neighbors in her area had these names but some online claimed it was TRUE..

[powerball]

http://www.wftv.com/news/21436229/detail.html

Just in case you havent seen this

[jakee]

That station did a screenshot of WFTV's video I think. I did a screenshot of it earlier and it's only slightly better than theirs.

http://i35.tinypic.com/2q2e0zr.jpg


No, you did a good job. It is better and I can see Cindy's purse in your shot. :biggrin:

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Just catching up here tonight from earlier and I'm also like :scared:! I find this kind of jaw-dropping, really! This is hardly a two-bit production. Steven Soderbergh is a pretty well-known and very well-respected Hollywood director (Sex, Lies, Videotape; Traffic; Ocean's Eleven). I wonder what his take on this will be. I hope we have some IS'ers in Sydney who can attend. I think maybe Leanne Welch or Weich is from Australia, but not sure from where.

See, it's not just us FLABs that are aghast and fascinated by this case! Famous people are too!

P.S. Not surprised at all at the Anthony's attending Somer's funeral. They consulted their meteorologist - there was a 100% chance of cameras, so the weather was perfect!
I'm so upset I am going to another thread. True story!!
I had this glimmer of hope, and then at the end of the night, satisfaction as i GUESSED I had not heard anything about them so that was good, only to check their local news and their photos again, front page news. It sickens me. So before I write something I will regret and Bug gets squished, I'm outta here! lol
C'ya at the trial!
Bug

[Julie Dupree]

http://www.wftv.com/news/21436229/detail.html

Just in case you havent seen this

Thanks Powerball....good to see you

[jakee]

I'm watching NG right now, and just to see Elizabeth Olten's mother's heart wrenching cries, just like Somer's mother's same cries, and to think NOT once did we see Casey react like this with Caylee. Then we had to see Cindy, react the way she did in her front yard. It sure makes you wonder..............


They really are something else.

[powerball]

Thanks Powerball....good to see you

Thank you for making me feel welcome
julie..can I ask you how do you put the saying at the bottom of your post

[BettyC]

I'm watching NG right now, and just to see Elizabeth Olten's mother's heart wrenching cries, just like Somer's mother's same cries, and to think NOT once did we see Casey react like this with Caylee. Then we had to see Cindy, react the way she did in her front yard. It sure makes you wonder..............

Cindy - "get off your a$$es and find my granddaughter. After Kronk finds the remains "Dominic, investigate him."

Somer's Mom (after they found her body) - I cannot thank everyone enough who helped look for Somer. I appreciate it so much.


Yep, big difference.

[Julie Dupree]

Thank you for making me feel welcome
julie..can I ask you how do you put the saying at the bottom of your post

Go to the edit section and you will find a place to add a signature tag line...I think it is under "user cp"

[AnnieKins]

No, you did a good job. It is better and I can see Cindy's purse in your shot. :biggrin:

And what a lovely purse it is.

It looks like it could be holding a bowling ball to bonk George over the head with if he starts telling any "truths".

[SayItAgain]

http://www.wftv.com/news/21436229/detail.html

Just in case you havent seen this

:seeya: .....

[jakee]

Cindy - "get off your a$$es and find my granddaughter. After Kronk finds the remains "Dominic, investigate him."

Somer's Mom (after they found her body) - I cannot thank everyone enough who helped look for Somer. I appreciate it so much.


Yep, big difference.

Well said! Perfect example.

[jakee]

And what a lovely purse it is.

It looks like it could be holding a bowling ball to bonk George over the head with if he starts telling any "truths".

:laugh:

Who is the handsome fellow next to George?

[spiritwolf46]

No, you did a good job. It is better and I can see Cindy's purse in your shot. :biggrin:

Did her purse contain George's.......oh, nevermind.

Looks like all kinds of things are starting to come out about this case. George and Cindy may never EVER have to work now! Picture productions and TV shows will see to that. GRRRRrrrrrr!!!!

[gaelicpeas]

That station did a screenshot of WFTV's video I think. I did a screenshot of it earlier and it's only slightly better than theirs.

http://i35.tinypic.com/2q2e0zr.jpgGreat shot! Now, I know I am going blind from looking at the earring/earbud cruise pics - but is George also holding hands with the man on his right? And if so, who is that? Doesn't look like Lee to me at all.

LOL okay, looking at it some more, I think George may be holding a bear in his right hand (our left). So, never mind....

One thing is sure in this case - with all the photos out there, you can find all kinds of things in them!

[BettyC]

:laugh:

Who is the handsome fellow next to George?

IIRC he wasn't with them, just happened to be walking in that part also. (Or didn't seem to be with them.)

[powerball]

Great shot! Now, I know I am going blind from looking at the earring/earbud cruise pics - but is George also holding hands with the man on his right? And if so, who is that? Doesn't look like Lee to me at all.

LOL okay, looking at it some more, I think George may be holding a bear in his right hand (our left). So, never mind....

One thing is sure in this case - with all the photos out there, you can find all kinds of things in them!

If you watch the video you can tell he is not holding anything

http://www.wftv.com/news/21436229/detail.html

[jakee]

Great shot! Now, I know I am going blind from looking at the earring/earbud cruise pics - but is George also holding hands with the man on his right? And if so, who is that? Doesn't look like Lee to me at all.

LOL okay, looking at it some more, I think George may be holding a bear in his right hand (our left). So, never mind....

One thing is sure in this case - with all the photos out there, you can find all kinds of things in them!

I don't see a bear and I do think it looks like he is holding hands with the very handsome fellow. It isn't Lee. :biggrin:

[gaelicpeas]

If you watch the video you can tell he is not holding anything

http://www.wftv.com/news/21436229/detail.htmlI saw the video, but didn't see his right hand in that - went too quickly, lol. I do see it in Betty's pic, though.

[gaelicpeas]

I don't see a bear and I do think it looks like he is holding hands with the very handsome fellow. It isn't Lee. :biggrin:lol, here we go again with more pics. It clearly looked like he was holding hands to me at first, then all the sudden I saw the bear - little one, like a Caylee bear.

[Dovey]

OT: Oh, Hans Reiser is still arrogant despite 1) having been convicted of First Degree Murder, 2) having then pled guilty to Second Degree Murder and 3) having led the police to his wife's body. You should read his lengthy handwritten legal pleadings in the ongoing wrongful death civil case, where he justifies murdering his wife, complains about the prison and the court to failing to run themselves according to his desires, and asks for his children to be returned to his custody IN PRISON.

Court Website
http://apps.alameda.courts.ca.gov/domainweb/service?ServiceName=DomainWebService&TemplateName=jsp/complitaction.html&CaseNbr=RG08406864&CurrBatchNbr=1

San Francisco Chronicle Blog
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/localnews/detail?entry_id=34012&gta=commentslistpos#commentslistpos

We may yet see similar justifications from Casey and the other Anthonys. We have already seen Cindy trying to minimize and justify Casey's lies by recharacterizing them "mistruths" and claiming that if Casey lied then she must have had a good reason too e.g. protecting Caylee, protecting the Anthonys, etc. Even while being muzzled (somewhat) by her attorneys, Casey managed to handwrite in that snide, irrelevant remark on her declaration "I believe that Mr. Ashton is angry because I have refused to take a plea agreement for a crime I DID NOT commit." Who knows what they will say after Casey is convicted? In the penalty phase, will the defense team follow the Scott Peterson strategy of telling the jury their verdict was wrong? Or will they admit Casey killed Caylee and try to explain why?

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

BBM
Hopefully you are correct! Casey is in her own world of disbelief. She can't believe she finally murdered her very own daughter out of spite for parents, if your parents were Cindy and George what would you have done?