girl gang raped at school while witnesses watch

[ninetoes]

"Bay Area girl gang raped at school while witnesses watch but do nothing"

"A 15-year-old girl who went to her homecoming dance was repeatedly gang raped and beaten at Richmond High School for at least two hours while more than a dozen witnesses saw the assault but failed to call police, authorities said today"

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/10/bay-area-girl-gang-raped-at-school-while-witnesses-watch-but-do-nothing.html

[Mamie]

"Bay Area girl gang raped at school while witnesses watch but do nothing"

"A 15-year-old girl who went to her homecoming dance was repeatedly gang raped and beaten at Richmond High School for at least two hours while more than a dozen witnesses saw the assault but failed to call police, authorities said today"

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/10/bay-area-girl-gang-raped-at-school-while-witnesses-watch-but-do-nothing.html

Not that this hasn't happened since, but this is that Jodie Foster movie all over again. JMO

[ninetoes]

Not that this hasn't happened since, but this is that Jodie Foster movie all over again. JMO

Violence being witnessed yet tolerated seems to be "status quo" these days. Teens film such things and put them on you tube. They watch and cheer as others are brutalized.

Isnt something I will ever understand, I suppose.

[Jayne]

"Bay Area girl gang raped at school while witnesses watch but do nothing"

"A 15-year-old girl who went to her homecoming dance was repeatedly gang raped and beaten at Richmond High School for at least two hours while more than a dozen witnesses saw the assault but failed to call police, authorities said today"

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/10/bay-area-girl-gang-raped-at-school-while-witnesses-watch-but-do-nothing.html



TWO HOURS? Two minutes? Two Seconds? WHAT is wrong with people??

I am not the parent of the year..but I'm trying to teach my child to Step In..Stop THINGS. Yes..it's risking his life, I suppose, but DO THE RIGHT THING. Pick up a PHONE at least..call the police.

This is just horrible..and I don't want to hear a Romeo/Juliet thing here..this was RAPE..no matter the ages of the assaulters. They should never see the streets again..be locked up forever..if not worse. Alcohol is no excuse..that was in the link.

jmo

J

[AnnieKins]

TWO HOURS? Two minutes? Two Seconds? WHAT is wrong with people??

I am not the parent of the year..but I'm trying to teach my child to Step In..Stop THINGS. Yes..it's risking his life, I suppose, but DO THE RIGHT THING. Pick up a PHONE at least..call the police.

This is just horrible..and I don't want to hear a Romeo/Juliet thing here..this was RAPE..no matter the ages of the assaulters. They should never see the streets again..be locked up forever..if not worse. Alcohol is no excuse..that was in the link.

jmo

J

I so agree, Jayne. Our kids are hardened by movies and video games and life in general... but they need to know that they have to stand up for the wrongs they see being committed before them!

[SavannahStar]

If I may interject...our kids are only exposed to what parents allow.
If your kids watch violent moves and play those weird video games , that is what their brain will absorb.
Children with a supportive home life.. parents who guide and protect, a positive self-esteem, and some form of religious guidance are the keys to basic success in life.
Children learn what they live.


I don't agree that it's that simple, unfortunately.

Peer pressure is a huge problem. And then there is just simple chance or happenstance.

There are children who have had it all: "a supportive home life.. parents who guide and protect, a positive self-esteem, and some form of religious guidance are the keys to basic success in life".....and end up being arrested for the most heinous of crimes. And conversely, children who have nothing good or supportive in their young lives but go on to become successful and productive adults.

I would never place blanket blame on parents for how kids turn out, without looking at the individual circumstances and all extrinsic forces as well.

IMO.

[Pashie]

If I may interject...our kids are only exposed to what parents allow.
If your kids watch violent moves and play those weird video games , that is what their brain will absorb.
Children with a supportive home life.. parents who guide and protect, a positive self-esteem, and some form of religious guidance are the keys to basic success in life.
Children learn what they live.

The movies/music/video games answer is a tired, worn out, lazy, 'scape goat' answer. There is no clear, easy answer to why murderers, rapists etc end up the way they do. People have lots of theories, but there is always another side to each of them. I think it is individual to the person themselves...no one blanket theory is going to cover them all...especially not movies/music/video games.

[bearwds]

***************

I know Richmond.

Being a biker, I wouldn't venture in there alone.


bear

[BorderCollieMom]

Did I see this right on the news ? They had to airlift the victim out of there ?

I dont understand what is happening with our kids.

[n/t]

Are kids safe anywhere? This poor girl did everything right. Left the party at 9:30 (not late) and was waiting for her dad to pick her up and yet she is a victim of a horrific crime.

So depressing.

[BorderCollieMom]

Police arrested and booked a 15-year-old student from Richmond High for felony sexual assault and are continuing to actively search for other suspects - both juveniles and adults - through the night, Detective Ken Greco said.

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_13644237?source=most_viewed

Authorities said people took photos, laughed and some joined in as the girl was repeatedly assaulted.

[BorderCollieMom]

Are kids safe anywhere? This poor girl did everything right. Left the party at 9:30 (not late) and was waiting for her dad to pick her up and yet she is a victim of a horrific crime.

So depressing.

I just read they are doing a tox screen to see if she was also drugged.
Warning, the details are very disturbing....


Police said the girl left the dance and was walking to meet her father for a ride home when a classmate invited her to join a group drinking in the courtyard.

"Right now, we're looking at toxicology reports to determine her blood-alcohol content and to determine if she was drugged."


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/10/27/2009-10-27_richmond_high_school_gang_rape_cops_arrest_2_in _attack_on_calif_teen_girl_bystan.html

[CANDYKISSES]

I just read they are doing a tox screen to see if she was also drugged.
Warning, the details are very disturbing....


Police said the girl left the dance and was walking to meet her father for a ride home when a classmate invited her to join a group drinking in the courtyard.

"Right now, we're looking at toxicology reports to determine her blood-alcohol content and to determine if she was drugged."


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/10/27/2009-10-27_richmond_high_school_gang_rape_cops_arrest_2_in _attack_on_calif_teen_girl_bystan.html

This is horrible BCM. I am close to someone who experienced a rape on her big homecoming dance where she was a named a princess, and fifteen years later, she is still not comfortable in her own skin. :sad:

To think of the horror this young girl went through while the onlookers did nothing, I can't even imagine how much therapy she will need to recover as best she can, but my prayers are with her. :wub: I find myself almost hoping she was drugged to not remember the heinous acts and faces just standing there and I know that's terrible.

At least the people voting are compelled to include the onlookers in charges, myself included. The poll is at 94% favoring charges for them too. :thumbup: ALL JMO.

[Dogmatic]

Are kids safe anywhere? This poor girl did everything right. Left the party at 9:30 (not late) and was waiting for her dad to pick her up and yet she is a victim of a horrific crime.

So depressing.

Something isn't right though. If she was standing and waiting for her Dad to pick her up, then what was Dad doing for the two hours that she was being raped and beaten?

[Casspian]

Police say the victim left alone about 9:30 p.m. and walked away from the dance, expecting to catch a ride from her father. Instead, a schoolmate caught her attention from behind a cyclone fence on the north end of campus.

He invited her to join a group drinking and hanging out in a secluded courtyard behind the fence, Gagan said, and escorted her to a short gate from which they made their way back to the group....

The assault began after the girl quickly drank a large amount of hard alcohol and fell over, Gagan said.

Detectives spent the rest of the weekend trying to identify the various participants, some of whom arrived after the gang rape began.

The courtyard is pitch-black at night, making it difficult to see into it from the street.

"(Lighting) is an ongoing issue for all our sites," school district spokesman Marin Trujillo said. "That particular section does have lighting. Could it be better? That’s something we’re always reviewing."

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/national/west/view.bg?articleid=1207601&format=&page=2&listingType=natwest#articleFull

I guess my link is the same as the Mercury News link and both are from an original story by Contra Contra Times

[Casspian]

Something isn't right though. If she was standing and waiting for her Dad to pick her up, then what was Dad doing for the two hours that she was being raped and beaten?

The articles seem to say she was hoping to catch a ride from her dad - not sure what that exactly means.

[Jayne]

The articles seem to say she was hoping to catch a ride from her dad - not sure what that exactly means.

Not sure what that means either. I don't know their family dynamics. But either way, it's no excuse for what happened. Maybe she thought her dad would pick her up..maybe it was...I'll be there..but if you're not..then I know you have a ride home? Not me..but families have different ways of doing things.

Just a hunch (based on years' ago of experience)..she may have been slipped a drug in that drink. SURE..at 15, she shouldn't have agreed to have a drink..but maybe she "liked" this kid? And, at 15..a huge dose of alcohol Might have rendered her unconscious? I still think she was "drugged"..be it alcohol or a combination. Doesn't make it Right, as I'm sure you and many agree.

I'd say..those Perps will be up for a long time behind bars...I certainly Hope So. And, to teach her...you don't leave a drink sitting on your table and go to the restroom..you don't take a drink from someone, unless you watch them pour it. And..you don't drink, at all, if underage, it's the law..HOWEVER..this does not make it Her Fault, IMO.

?

jmo

J

[Dogmatic]

Not sure what that means either. I don't know their family dynamics. But either way, it's no excuse for what happened. Maybe she thought her dad would pick her up..maybe it was...I'll be there..but if you're not..then I know you have a ride home? Not me..but families have different ways of doing things.

Just a hunch (based on years' ago of experience)..she may have been slipped a drug in that drink. SURE..at 15, she shouldn't have agreed to have a drink..but maybe she "liked" this kid? And, at 15..a huge dose of alcohol Might have rendered her unconscious? I still think she was "drugged"..be it alcohol or a combination. Doesn't make it Right, as I'm sure you and many agree.

I'd say..those Perps will be up for a long time behind bars...I certainly Hope So. And, to teach her...you don't leave a drink sitting on your table and go to the restroom..you don't take a drink from someone, unless you watch them pour it. And..you don't drink, at all, if underage, it's the law..HOWEVER..this does not make it Her Fault, IMO.

?

jmo

J

I can't begin to tell you how bothered I am that people watched, took pictures and came and went like it was just any other day.

Thank you to the one person that heard the story second hand and called police. You are my hero

[airportwoman]

I wonder if she was targeted because she is mentally handicapped in some way, and they thought she wouldn't tell anyone what happened?

Remember the case about 20 years ago where some megajocks gang-raped a retarded classmate and bragged about it, and authorities tried to cover it up to keep them on the team?

When I was in high school 30 years ago, in white middle-class Iowa no less, I worked with a girl from this crowd and they would have huge drug-infested parties and the boys always invited girls from the special-ed class for this purpose. :cursing: But we didn't have CNN or You Tube, and even if authorities had known about this, it would have been all covered up anyway.

And a college classmate of mine who is a few years older than me said that when she was in high school in Davenport, Iowa ca. 1975, three boys dragged a girl into a bathroom and gang raped her during school hours. Because they were white and middle class, and she was a black girl from the inner city, it was completely disregarded. At this point, the family moved to another city.

[CANDYKISSES]

I wonder if she was targeted because she is mentally handicapped in some way, and they thought she wouldn't tell anyone what happened?

Remember the case about 20 years ago where some megajocks gang-raped a retarded classmate and bragged about it, and authorities tried to cover it up to keep them on the team?

When I was in high school 30 years ago, in white middle-class Iowa no less, I worked with a girl from this crowd and they would have huge drug-infested parties and the boys always invited girls from the special-ed class for this purpose. :cursing: But we didn't have CNN or You Tube, and even if authorities had known about this, it would have been all covered up anyway.

And a college classmate of mine who is a few years older than me said that when she was in high school in Davenport, Iowa ca. 1975, three boys dragged a girl into a bathroom and gang raped her during school hours. Because they were white and middle class, and she was a black girl from the inner city, it was completely disregarded. At this point, the family moved to another city.

Did I miss information on her being mentally handicapped?:confused:

[ninetoes]

The articles seem to say she was hoping to catch a ride from her dad - not sure what that exactly means.

I wont read to much into it at this point. Could easily just be sloppy journalism.

[Dogmatic]

I wont read to much into it at this point. Could easily just be sloppy journalism.

Or it could also be that she told the faculty and/or officers when she left the dance that her Dad was picking her up, but she actually intended to walk home.

Whatever the case, I am sickened that 15 young men had so few active brain cells and were such cowards that not even ONE out of the fifteen had a brief moment of "what the heck, this ain't right" !!!

NOT ONE of the fifteen tried to step up to help or call 911 so someone else could help.
How did 15 complete losers find their way to the same party.

[ninetoes]

Or it could also be that she told the faculty and/or officers when she left the dance that her Dad was picking her up, but she actually intended to walk home.

Whatever the case, I am sickened that 15 young men had so few active brain cells and were such cowards that not even ONE out of the fifteen had a brief moment of "what the heck, this ain't right" !!!

NOT ONE of the fifteen tried to step up to help or call 911 so someone else could help.
How did 15 complete losers find their way to the same party.

Oh, I agree 100%. It just isnt something I will ever be able to understand, no matter how many times we hear of cases such as this. What is happening to our youth? How did we get to where they seem to have no sense of right or wrong?

[Dogmatic]

Oh, I agree 100%. It just isnt something I will ever be able to understand, no matter how many times we hear of cases such as this. What is happening to our youth? How did we get to where they seem to have no sense of right or wrong?

When the dust settles, we will probably learn that this 19 year old "ringleader" has gang ties, so the other 14 little wimps were too scared to call the cops for fear of being beaten up or have their house riddled with bullets.

It's called Secret Witness people. Stand up, be somebody, do the right thing and then the rest of your life you can hold your head high and have a little dignity instead of slouching your shoulders over, sporting over sized t-shirts to cover up your exposed hiney while your pants cling for dear life around your knees.

[birdwatch]

Or it could also be that she told the faculty and/or officers when she left the dance that her Dad was picking her up, but she actually intended to walk home.

Whatever the case, I am sickened that 15 young men had so few active brain cells and were such cowards that not even ONE out of the fifteen had a brief moment of "what the heck, this ain't right" !!!

NOT ONE of the fifteen tried to step up to help or call 911 so someone else could help.
How did 15 complete losers find their way to the same party.
The Mercury News link seems to indicate that there were adults present!!!:crying: Hope they catch each and every one! And - we should have laws about "bystanders" who do not call for help or take any other action: they should be charged as an accessory or something. Many other countries consider that criminal behaviour.

[airportwoman]

Did I miss information on her being mentally handicapped?:confused:

No - I was just wondering if she is, and that's why they chose her for this.

[Casspian]

Not sure what that means either. I don't know their family dynamics. But either way, it's no excuse for what happened. Maybe she thought her dad would pick her up..maybe it was...I'll be there..but if you're not..then I know you have a ride home? Not me..but families have different ways of doing things.

Just a hunch (based on years' ago of experience)..she may have been slipped a drug in that drink. SURE..at 15, she shouldn't have agreed to have a drink..but maybe she "liked" this kid? And, at 15..a huge dose of alcohol Might have rendered her unconscious? I still think she was "drugged"..be it alcohol or a combination. Doesn't make it Right, as I'm sure you and many agree.

I'd say..those Perps will be up for a long time behind bars...I certainly Hope So. And, to teach her...you don't leave a drink sitting on your table and go to the restroom..you don't take a drink from someone, unless you watch them pour it. And..you don't drink, at all, if underage, it's the law..HOWEVER..this does not make it Her Fault, IMO.

?

jmo

J

Agree ... I think there could have been a drug in that alcohol, else they challenged her to chug way too much. I was drugged once, it was put in the alcohol. My legs went out form underneath me - lucky for me I had just gotten into the bathroom and I locked the door.

[Casspian]

I wont read to much into it at this point. Could easily just be sloppy journalism.

Yeah ... we see a lot of that unfortunately.

[ninetoes]

I read where they think as many as TWENTY-TWO people witnessed this.

[Dogmatic]

I read where they think as many as TWENTY-TWO people witnessed this.

And not one active brain cell among the entire group.

Disheartening, to say the least

[Jayne]

So many good posts, IMO.

This particular incident, of so many I/we read on these threads, has struck a deep chord with me. I well remember the pool table gang rape in MA (New Bedford) many years ago. IIRC, and I may be wrong, of course, bystanders did not go unpunished. It was widely published about the onlookers who did noting. But, I don't remember if any were charged criminally..but I sure as heck wanted them to be. And, unfortunately, since then there have been "copycat" assaults (one in CA that I recall, but not sure where..So. Cal, I think.) This idiotic thinking by the assaulters..that a woman/girl is assenting to the activity..when drugged, by alcohol and/or drugs, is unbelievable in my mind..and they make the victim look like a willing participant? Even an undrugged rape victim can often hardly defend herself..imagine if under "some" influence?

I see a bystander who stands there "urging it on" or "cheering" the same thing as aiding and abetting. I agree BW, there should be laws on the books, not just interpretations in the courts for those who surround and "watch" instead of make a telephone call, scream, DO something. People are afraid, I think..some of them, anyway..if they get involved, they put themselves in the middle of a situation where they could be in trouble? I don't know. But to stand there for minutes, hours..just watching and doing nothing?? I don't get it.

This isn't the same thing (although I find this awful) as people watching a person about to jump from a tall building to commit suicide..probably they have made calls, are yelling, begging the person to not do it..and they still stand there, because there isn't much else they can do, else walk away. I don't consider them Bystanders in the same sense as in this situation.

jmo

J

[birdwatch]

I read where they think as many as TWENTY-TWO people witnessed this. Apparently LE can't do anything about that. LE says its not a crime to not report a crime - unless it is against a child under 14. So they can't charge anyone who didn't actually participate in the beating or the rape....or the drugging. I'm speechless.
Maybe this would be a good time for all of us to contact Sen. Al Franken who had success with his "anti-rape" law, as some call it - re foreign contractors to the US. Someone needs to propose some changes in the law! "Oh - someone is beating and raping a person over there (who cares if its male or female) - oh, never mind - he/she is over 14". :thumbdown:

[ninetoes]

'3 more arrests in alleged gang rape of teen
Calif. police say attack was witnessed by as many as two dozen people"

"Police believe as many as 10 people ranging in age from 15 to mid-20s attacked the girl for more than two hours at a dimly lit area near benches Saturday night. As many as two dozen people saw the rape without notifying police."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33506582/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts

[Jayne]

'3 more arrests in alleged gang rape of teen
Calif. police say attack was witnessed by as many as two dozen people"

"Police believe as many as 10 people ranging in age from 15 to mid-20s attacked the girl for more than two hours at a dimly lit area near benches Saturday night. As many as two dozen people saw the rape without notifying police."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33506582/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts

Hey..ninetoes...that link indicates that more than 91% (I think) of comments say YES..it should be reported..if not required by law..by morality (No Dumb Reasoning There, huh?).

Nearly 24 people..standing around..watching a FIFTEEN YEAR old girl being raped, sexually abused, hit, etc. WHAT is wrong with people? (NO matter the age of the victim, BTW..but Heck..STEP IN and HELP..not watch like it's some Video or Entertainment for the hour/two).

Then a 32 year old man and a 16 and 17 year old arrested. WOW...Something tells me this was Gang related. Not meaning the victim (but even so)..but the "Adult" in this situation..32..almost old enough to be this little girl's father..would do this? May not be a member of the Reds/Blues/Yellows..whatever..but definately a "gang mentality" for an adult and two teens and more, as I've read..to be involved in this. Absolutely disgusting.

Call it what they will..rape, assault, attempted murder. It is vile, totally unacceptable under any means, and a disgrace to decent young men who would never do such a thing - or stand by and watch it.

IMO it is sexual offender as well, and they all belong behind bars for the rest of their lives.

jmo

J

[Details]

'3 more arrests in alleged gang rape of teen
Calif. police say attack was witnessed by as many as two dozen people"

"Police believe as many as 10 people ranging in age from 15 to mid-20s attacked the girl for more than two hours at a dimly lit area near benches Saturday night. As many as two dozen people saw the rape without notifying police."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33506582/ns/us_news-crime_and_courtsSounds to me like those 2 dozen people were part of the same gang, and waiting their turn. It doesn't sound like sick bystanders - they were in a very secluded and dark area, it was the people who were hanging out together, who gave her the alcohol, who were all involved.

[Details]

The Mercury News link seems to indicate that there were adults present!!!:crying: Hope they catch each and every one! And - we should have laws about "bystanders" who do not call for help or take any other action: they should be charged as an accessory or something. Many other countries consider that criminal behaviour.I suspect this was a bunch of gang buddies - and the adults are just the 18 year olds in the crew. Maybe the high school seniors who were held back or had birthdays such that they were already 18.

[ninetoes]

Sounds to me like those 2 dozen people were part of the same gang, and waiting their turn. It doesn't sound like sick bystanders - they were in a very secluded and dark area, it was the people who were hanging out together, who gave her the alcohol, who were all involved.

The whole thing is sickening. And I agree, someone should have had the fortitude to stand up...or at least call 911. On the otherhand, I can't even say I am surprised no one did. It just seems like this type of thing is "the norm" so often.

I used to watch a show called "The First 48". In almost every show, there were witnesses to murders, rape etc...yet the cops always had a heck of a time getting those witnesses to come forward, or to hang around long enough to get the case to trial. They didnt want to get involved, be it from fear, from not caring or whatever.

Then I think of all the you tube videos of kids beating another kid, and FILMING it! As if it is some form of entertainment. My God, how did we get to this point?

The young man (15 IIRC) who was brutally beaten to death just a month or so ago in Chicago, while others stood by and watched.

It is all so disheartening.

How do we legislate morality?

[Jayne]

The whole thing is sickening. And I agree, someone should have had the fortitude to stand up...or at least call 911. On the otherhand, I can't even say I am surprised no one did. It just seems like this type of thing is "the norm" so often.

<snipped>

It is all so disheartening.

How do we legislate morality?

Make it a law. Yeah..as if we ever could? But look at the laws that have been made due to child predators..Drunk driving has gone through way UPPED sentences over the past decade (or two).

I know..making it a law..to not be on the scene of a crime unless you're HELPING? Well..why not? If enough people turned around and called on their cell phones, flagged down a police car it would make a difference. To just stand there and do nothing, IMO is doing "something"..Not Making a Difference and being a Coward and Apathetic.

yes..maybe more court issues..maybe the traffic accident "bystander" who wanted to help..made a call, but stood there..unable to do anything, but waiting...or the ones who came by..no cellphones..weren't spectators but where hoping to be "on watch"..witnesses?

Innocent bystander and accomplice bystander..I think therein lies the difference...if it could be legislated. Maybe the terminology wouldn't be Bystander but Spectator?

jmo

J

[ninetoes]

Make it a law. Yeah..as if we ever could? But look at the laws that have been made due to child predators..Drunk driving has gone through way UPPED sentences over the past decade (or two).

I know..making it a law..to not be on the scene of a crime unless you're HELPING? Well..why not? If enough people turned around and called on their cell phones, flagged down a police car it would make a difference. To just stand there and do nothing, IMO is doing "something"..Not Making a Difference and being a Coward and Apathetic.

yes..maybe more court issues..maybe the traffic accident "bystander" who wanted to help..made a call, but stood there..unable to do anything, but waiting...or the ones who came by..no cellphones..weren't spectators but where hoping to be "on watch"..witnesses?

Innocent bystander and accomplice bystander..I think therein lies the difference...if it could be legislated. Maybe the terminology wouldn't be Bystander but Spectator?

jmo

J

I have no idea. I do know I hear many saying morality should not be legislated, so not sure how well such a "moral" law would go over.

Understand, I think the idea of people standing around and watching, yet not doing anything is disgusting, but I also ask myself, if we legislate one moral issue, where do we draw the line on other moral issues?

[Details]

I have no idea. I do know I hear many saying morality should not be legislated, so not sure how well such a "moral" law would go over.

Understand, I think the idea of people standing around and watching, yet not doing anything is disgusting, but I also ask myself, if we legislate one moral issue, where do we draw the line on other moral issues?We do it the way we do on EVERY moral issue. We draw plenty of moral lines - whether it's as blatant as laws against murder, or as subtle as laws against being an accomplice after the fact or slander.

[Jayne]

I have no idea. I do know I hear many saying morality should not be legislated, so not sure how well such a "moral" law would go over.

Understand, I think the idea of people standing around and watching, yet not doing anything is disgusting, but I also ask myself, if we legislate one moral issue, where do we draw the line on other moral issues?

I understand you..truly I do. I feel the same, in a large way. But I do believe there is a way to legislate between simple "bystander" and "spectator"..yeah, I know..it would be difficult to prove, maybe?

I don't see it as legislating Morality (yet it is, I suppose, but so is legislating Murder, Robbery, Rape, Theft) but as legislating legal action/inaction, responsibility, criminal behaviour.

Someone who is at the scene of a crime being committed and Cheers it on, Laughs, takes photos, etc., IMO is not a bystander but an involved Spectator. (When I read of these crimes I think of the Coliseum in Rome..the Gladiators, the killing of Christians, etc.)

Guess I don't make much sense. :)

jmo

J

[ninetoes]

I understand you..truly I do. I feel the same, in a large way. But I do believe there is a way to legislate between simple "bystander" and "spectator"..yeah, I know..it would be difficult to prove, maybe?

I don't see it as legislating Morality (yet it is, I suppose, but so is legislating Murder, Robbery, Rape, Theft) but as legislating legal action/inaction, responsibility, criminal behaviour.

Someone who is at the scene of a crime being committed and Cheers it on, Laughs, takes photos, etc., IMO is not a bystander but an involved Spectator. (When I read of these crimes I think of the Coliseum in Rome..the Gladiators, the killing of Christians, etc.)

Guess I don't make much sense. :)



jmo

J

BBM

You make plenty of sense, and I agree, especially with the bolded part of your post.

[Details]

We have these laws for other areas - even here:
http://www.dailycal.org/article/3248/law_condemns_failure_to_report_crime

I think it should be expanded to any violent crime. You see it, you don't report it - you should be in some trouble - more or less depending on how much you saw, how severe the crime was.

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2921.22

[ninetoes]

"Three boys charged as adults in Richmond High rape case"

"Prosecutors charged three teenage boys with felony sexual assault today in the gang-rape of a 15-year-old girl outside her homecoming dance at Richmond High School.

The boys — ages 15, 16 and 17 — are charged as adults. The 16-year-old also is charged with robbery."

http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_13662964

[Jayne]

Just heard on the news here (abc?) in CA, that "allegedly" there were 10 or more individuals (I thought they said up to 20..but I didn't tape it or write it down) in the Actual gang rape assaults, while 20 (?) stood by and they said they believe some were taking cellphone photographs.

Wow..oh wow. How could they know people were taking photos and didn't grab them too? There must be some way to get ahold of those photos/videos.

I know this sounds ridiculous..but who knows if some of those "Bystanders" (who I insist on calling Spectators) weren't part of the "deal"..they photograph it..then..wham..it ends up on YouTube or sent around the Circle of perps?

It amazes me why people would ever put up videos like that on YouTube or even record such things..but they do..and I have to say, I think it has to do with a lot of grey matter missing as well as broken souls and cold hearts. Boy oh boy..if they caught one of those spectators and got their cellphone/video images..wouldn't that be beneficial for the prosecution?

If these standers by-ers aren't prosecuted (but found out), they sure could make a huge line up of witnesses. And, I'd put many of them on the stand (I think). Lie on the stand? maybe, but would be a public scarlet letter B or S to live down. With a photo/video to back up the truth. They weren't standing there with their eyes closed, I'd think.

jmo

J

[StarShine]

Did I see this right on the news ? They had to airlift the victim out of there ?

I dont understand what is happening with our kids.

What does one expect when our society has been going downhill for years? The moral fiber of our society has deteroriated right before our eyes over the years. Everything seems to be acceptable no matter how degrading, despicable or morally wrong it is. Our kids unfortunately are a product of this society. Sad but true!!

[Jayne]

What does one expect when our society has been going downhill for years? The moral fiber of our society has deteroriated right before our eyes over the years. Everything seems to be acceptable no matter how degrading, despicable or morally wrong it is. Our kids unfortunately are a product of this society. Sad but true!!

Star..I don't know. I have to say I agree with you. Yet - There are many wonderful kids out there and wonderful families..I've known and met many of them..and I've "known" and met many who are Not, over the past decade or two. And, I don't see it getting better, I do see it getting worse, in so many instances.

As a single mom, and from my prior experiences, I find myself working Overtime, in a sense, to be sure I'm attempting my best to teach, direct, lead, moralize, and keep outside 'bad' influences - Outside - YET known and identifiable and UNDESIRABLE and INTOLERABLE, if that makes sense.

We as society have to Stand Up and not put up with it. Too many hide behind their curtains and shut off their lights and avoid the "stuff" that is going on in their own neighborhood, rather than call the police or turn in their neighbor or their own abusive SO. Think about children growing up in a household where H abuses W (or vice versa)..what is that teaching them as to moral responsibility? Downhill and deterioration, as you said it, I'd say.

I've tried to place myself..there..that night. I'd probably be dead or a second victim..I would have stepped inside that circle and done my best to get those guys off that poor girl. I know I would have, after hitting #1 on the phone and letting it on. Stupid as it may be. I'm not advocating taking the law into one's own hands..but to stop such horrible violence as this. I understand why some don't step in, but I do not understand why people do these crimes in the first place..and others stand by and cheer or take photos.

jmo

J

[FurthurBB]

If I may interject...our kids are only exposed to what parents allow.
If your kids watch violent moves and play those weird video games , that is what their brain will absorb.
Children with a supportive home life.. parents who guide and protect, a positive self-esteem, and some form of religious guidance are the keys to basic success in life.
Children learn what they live.

Some of the worst kids I knew growing up came from very religious families. I think a better idea is to talk openly and honestly with your children and always help them to believe you are there for them no matter what and they can always talk to you. Oh, and ethics are much more important than religious guidance. IMO

[FurthurBB]

What does one expect when our society has been going downhill for years? The moral fiber of our society has deteroriated right before our eyes over the years. Everything seems to be acceptable no matter how degrading, despicable or morally wrong it is. Our kids unfortunately are a product of this society. Sad but true!!

Only because you actually see it on the news. Things used to actually be worse, crime higher, you just didn't have it blasted at you 24/7 from 9 different channels. This is not the first nor the worst case like this, and unfortunately not the last either. IMO

[Details]

Only because you actually see it on the news. Things used to actually be worse, crime higher, you just didn't have it blasted at you 24/7 from 9 different channels. This is not the first nor the worst case like this, and unfortunately not the last either. IMOYep.

The violent crime rate has been dropping for quite some time - and crimes that used to be never reported (rape, child abuse) are now reported and broadcast everywhere.

On another thread, a poster was referencing a picture from a 1900 medical textbook - showing an autopsy of a 9 month old baby - dead from injuries sustained during a rape.

This stuff has always happened - we didn't used to pay as much attention, we used to blame the victim, and we used to only hear about it if it was in our town. It's getting much better now - we care about it, those who do it are locked up.

[Details]

...I've tried to place myself..there..that night. I'd probably be dead or a second victim..I would have stepped inside that circle and done my best to get those guys off that poor girl. I know I would have, after hitting #1 on the phone and letting it on. Stupid as it may be. I'm not advocating taking the law into one's own hands..but to stop such horrible violence as this. I understand why some don't step in, but I do not understand why people do these crimes in the first place..and others stand by and cheer or take photos.

jmo

JYou wouldn't have been in that circle. Those who didn't do anything - they were all part of the crowd hanging out in that dark isolated corner - these weren't random bystanders, but a bunch who were all part of the same crowd - no doubt they hung together because they were alike. You - or I - would never have been invited nor tolerated there.

[Dogmatic]

News reports that the victim was released from the hospital. Good that she is physically on the road to recovery. Mentally? Emotionally? That's going to be a long haul. I hope she has a solid support network, but something makes me question that.

Prayers for this dear child

[Jayne]

News reports that the victim was released from the hospital. Good that she is physically on the road to recovery. Mentally? Emotionally? That's going to be a long haul. I hope she has a solid support network, but something makes me question that.

Prayers for this dear child

Thank goodness.

Good lord..if I could afford to take care of her I would..get her the therapy, love at home, etc. I hope her parents are getting everything in order to help her..local social services..medical and mental healthcare.

This is like a "death"..for anyone who has been there..you realize it...You have to re-birth and forgive or deal with what has happened to you. 15 years old...horrible. No matter the age..but she hardly has passed Geometry in HS, I'd think..and have to deal with this?

Bless her..and all who take care of her. And..Damn..all those who hurt her..including the idiots who stood by as spectators.

jmo

J

[Details]

News reports that the victim was released from the hospital. Good that she is physically on the road to recovery. Mentally? Emotionally? That's going to be a long haul. I hope she has a solid support network, but something makes me question that.

Prayers for this dear childI just hope the drug or alcohol (really - gotta be a drug) means she remembers nothing of what happened.

[Jayne]

I just hope the drug or alcohol (really - gotta be a drug) means she remembers nothing of what happened.

Oh Details..unless we've evolved that much..she will remember..it may take weeks, months, years..but it will come back..maybe and probably not all..but enough depending on what that matters..enough to remember or enough to forget.

I do hope as you do..that this is like a two hour time of "lost time" and she won't remember or care..but I doubt it. I'd certainly want to know why I was in the hospital..then starts the Questions?

jmo

J

[Dogmatic]

I just hope the drug or alcohol (really - gotta be a drug) means she remembers nothing of what happened.

I hope so too.

However, with 24 "spectators" at the event, there is a high probability that she will hear through the grapevine what those losers witnessed.

It's going to be a long road for her. I wish her family could pick her up and move her to another town. I think she might recover quicker that way.

[Details]

Oh Details..unless we've evolved that much..she will remember..it may take weeks, months, years..but it will come back..maybe and probably not all..but enough depending on what that matters..enough to remember or enough to forget.

I do hope as you do..that this is like a two hour time of "lost time" and she won't remember or care..but I doubt it. I'd certainly want to know why I was in the hospital..then starts the Questions?

jmo

JOh, she'll find out what happened - but the description I read is that she just fell down - she may have been out cold. And hearing about it is not nearly as bad as experiencing it, I'm sure. She'll know - but not remembering is good.

[Jayne]

Oh, she'll find out what happened - but the description I read is that she just fell down - she may have been out cold. And hearing about it is not nearly as bad as experiencing it, I'm sure. She'll know - but not remembering is good.

I don't know Details..not remembering may be good..or may be not.

She may have been out cold-true, but she wasn't totally unconscious, I'd think. I'm putting myself in that place..things happened..I can't remember..or at least can't for a while..but then I hear about it. What if this poor girl is pregnant from this?

I'd much rather "remember" and Never Forget..than to hear about it or have such a consequence and no memory.

but that doesn't mean what I think is correct for this poor girl or anyone else.

jmo

J

[Deros]

If I may interject...our kids are only exposed to what parents allow.
If your kids watch violent moves and play those weird video games , that is what their brain will absorb.
Children with a supportive home life.. parents who guide and protect, a positive self-esteem, and some form of religious guidance are the keys to basic success in life.
Children learn what they live.I fail to see your point, are you blaming the victims parents?

[Jayne]

I fail to see your point, are you blaming the victims parents?

Stepping where I probably don't belong as your post was to Sharmalady.

I don't believe his/her post meant that the parents of the perps or the parent of the victim are at fault. It was a Generalized opinion..which is TRUE..Often.

I look at this with Old Glasses..and wonder..why would a 15 yo accept a drink? Underage..should have been taught at home to not do that..to not go anywhere alone. But..I don't walk in her shoes or her parents'..so I don't know why that happened. maybe she had a crush on the one guy..and was willing to go into the crowd..or wherever..for that drink..for a kiss..hug..NEVER expecting this would happen?

Some kids are inherently troubled, I do believe..and there is not much a family can do without intervention..paid for or not. Yes..perhaps the family is at fault to some extent..but there are a lot of factors..money for medical/mental health care..the kid is abusive toward the parents and they don't want to involve the authorities? Or..they've learned something at home and/or elsewhere..that tells them that this kind of behaviour is OK? Or something to be Proud Of? WOW..could hardly type that one..

jmo

J

[Dogmatic]

Stepping where I probably don't belong as your post was to Sharmalady.

I don't believe his/her post meant that the parents of the perps or the parent of the victim are at fault. It was a Generalized opinion..which is TRUE..Often.

I look at this with Old Glasses..and wonder..why would a 15 yo accept a drink? Underage..should have been taught at home to not do that..to not go anywhere alone. But..I don't walk in her shoes or her parents'..so I don't know why that happened. maybe she had a crush on the one guy..and was willing to go into the crowd..or wherever..for that drink..for a kiss..hug..NEVER expecting this would happen?

Some kids are inherently troubled, I do believe..and there is not much a family can do without intervention..paid for or not. Yes..perhaps the family is at fault to some extent..but there are a lot of factors..money for medical/mental health care..the kid is abusive toward the parents and they don't want to involve the authorities? Or..they've learned something at home and/or elsewhere..that tells them that this kind of behaviour is OK? Or something to be Proud Of? WOW..could hardly type that one..

jmo

J

I listened to the tape of the victim's best friend. The best friend stated that the victim had been teased and taunted by this group of people at school to the point of being reduced to tears.

I'm guessing when they saw her they had sinister motives, but she may have taken their invitation as a compliment and perhaps acceptance, for the first time.

What they did to her is beyond sick and wrong.

Sure, she could have prevented it by not being there with them, but we can say that every crime could be prevented by the victim being in a different spot than where they were.........so.........kind of a mute point imo.

[birdwatch]

An 18 yr old man is the 6th person arrested in this case. More to come, I hope.

[birdwatch]

I fail to see your point, are you blaming the victims parents? Why would you infer she isn't speaking of the perpetrators? The guys are the ones who have, apparently, absorbed violence as a norm and were acting that out.

[Jim]

An 18 yr old man is the 6th person arrested in this case. More to come, I hope.

I read more arrest are coming too, maybe up to ten. Only one will get a light sentence and that's the one that sang. Going over a report in the Contra Costa Times, it said there is a 21 year old that was detained but not charged. My thought is that this guy is giving the information the police need to make more arrest. One of the suspects had an arraignment and bail was set at 1.3 million dollars. This must be more than just a rape charge to have such a high bail. I also read that the girl that was raped got out of the hospital. I hope she is okay and will be able to identify her attackers. I really don't like reading that it was the school's fault or the girl's fault. No one is to blame except the perpetrators of this attack and from what the DA is saying they will do hard time. I expect more arrest today, tomorrow and the next day till they bring in all those involved to stand trial.


jmo.

[Jayne]

I read more arrest are coming too, maybe up to ten. Only one will get a light sentence and that's the one that sang. Going over a report in the Contra Costa Times, it said there is a 21 year old that was detained but not charged. My thought is that this guy is giving the information the police need to make more arrest. One of the suspects had an arraignment and bail was set at 1.3 million dollars. This must be more than just a rape charge to have such a high bail. I also read that the girl that was raped got out of the hospital. I hope she is okay and will be able to identify her attackers. I really don't like reading that it was the school's fault or the girl's fault. No one is to blame except the perpetrators of this attack and from what the DA is saying they will do hard time. I expect more arrest today, tomorrow and the next day till they bring in all those involved to stand trial.


jmo.

IT is NOT the girl's fault. I know one or two here didn't understand my postings..but it is NOT the girls' fault..not matter if she took a drink. i frankly believe that she was drugged. One way or another>

School's fault? Well..I'd argue that...were they responsible for all children getting home at night safe? There's a civil suit..if that were the case.

The issue here is..IMO..the monsters who preyed on this little girl and the Idiot Imbeciles who stood by and watched, cheered, took photos.

jmo

J

[Deros]

Stepping where I probably don't belong as your post was to Sharmalady.

I don't believe his/her post meant that the parents of the perps or the parent of the victim are at fault. It was a Generalized opinion..which is TRUE..Often.

I look at this with Old Glasses..and wonder..why would a 15 yo accept a drink? Underage..should have been taught at home to not do that..to not go anywhere alone. But..I don't walk in her shoes or her parents'..so I don't know why that happened. maybe she had a crush on the one guy..and was willing to go into the crowd..or wherever..for that drink..for a kiss..hug..NEVER expecting this would happen?

Some kids are inherently troubled, I do believe..and there is not much a family can do without intervention..paid for or not. Yes..perhaps the family is at fault to some extent..but there are a lot of factors..money for medical/mental health care..the kid is abusive toward the parents and they don't want to involve the authorities? Or..they've learned something at home and/or elsewhere..that tells them that this kind of behaviour is OK? Or something to be Proud Of? WOW..could hardly type that one..

jmo

J
Excellent point Jayne and answers my question.

[Jayne]

Excellent point Jayne and answers my question.

Thank you..for understanding that I was not talking about the victim..that poor girl abused beyond reprehension.

This crime/incident/case really really bothers me for several reasons. I would hold that little girl in my arms and try to help her through this. It will never be forgotten in her mind..no matter if she was drugged or blitzed. What those kids (and adults) did to her is beyond forgiveness, IMO.


Jayne

[VC2]

Yep.

The violent crime rate has been dropping for quite some time - and crimes that used to be never reported (rape, child abuse) are now reported and broadcast everywhere.

On another thread, a poster was referencing a picture from a 1900 medical textbook - showing an autopsy of a 9 month old baby - dead from injuries sustained during a rape.

This stuff has always happened - we didn't used to pay as much attention, we used to blame the victim, and we used to only hear about it if it was in our town. It's getting much better now - we care about it, those who do it are locked up.

Absolutely true! It is going down not up and it happened when we were kids and long before as well.

I am almost foaming at the mouth watching CNN just now on this listening to them all bleat on about the people who didn't call 911 bc of to much virtual reality for kids, to much computer, to much a culture of violence etc etc. The one making swear in fury especially is Jeff Gardere who so far not ONCE MENTIONED KITTY GENOVESE.

The phrase bystander effect was coined in the 1960s after people watched or heard a serial killer stalk and stab a woman in two separate attacks in the Queens neighborhood of New York.

Kitty Genovese struggled with the attacker on the street and in her building. She shrieked for help and was raped, robbed and murdered. When witnesses in the building were questioned by police about why they remained silent and failed to act, one man, according to the 1964 New York Times article that broke the story, answered, "I didn't want to be involved."

Though the number of people who saw or heard Genovese struggle was eventually disputed, her case still became symbolic of a kind of crowd apathy that psychologists and social scientists call the "Genovese syndrome."
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/28/california.gang.rape.bystander/index.html

It is also known as the bystander effect, it has been documented and proven as part of numerous psychological studies and Jeff Gardere KNOWS IT.

It is disgusting, it is sickening, it is sad but it is not due to freaking video games. They didn't have those back in 1964, or the case in 1983 or the numerous cases in history of mob mentality etc. which is another part of the problem.

It is not due to a new compassionless generation, it is not due to more violent crime since violent crime has gone down, it is not due to whatever they flavor of the day they feel like blaming it on but it is due to a process that unfortunately takes effect in many situations like this throughout history. I suppose in the middle ages they blamed it on women and children allowed to watch jousts and battles where knights died wearing the color of their favored Lady on their jousting poles?

IMO

[Jayne]

Absolutely true! It is going down not up and it happened when we were kids and long before as well.

I am almost foaming at the mouth watching CNN just now on this listening to them all bleat on about the people who didn't call 911 bc of to much virtual reality for kids, to much computer, to much a culture of violence etc etc. The one making swear in fury especially is Jeff Gardere who so far not ONCE MENTIONED KITTY GENOVESE.


http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/28/california.gang.rape.bystander/index.html

It is also known as the bystander effect, it has been documented and proven as part of numerous psychological studies and Jeff Gardere KNOWS IT.

It is disgusting, it is sickening, it is sad but it is not due to freaking video games. They didn't have those back in 1964, or the case in 1983 or the numerous cases in history of mob mentality etc. which is another part of the problem.

It is not due to a new compassionless generation, it is not due to more violent crime since violent crime has gone down, it is not due to whatever they flavor of the day they feel like blaming it on but it is due to a process that unfortunately takes effect in many situations like this throughout history. I suppose in the middle ages they blamed it on women and children allowed to watch jousts and battles where knights died wearing the color of their favored Lady on their jousting poles?

IMO

I understand this..but is far different from a Spectator. Were the people who went to the Coliseum Bystanders? No..they were Spectators. they paid their price or had their "ticket" and they were there to watch the carnage and throw up a thumbs up or thumbs down. (OR by some standards..required to be there..like it or not..) Were the middle ages people watching jousts bystanders..NO..not in my opinion. Is it due to as you said fricking video games? I don't know..maybe..maybe not. Why would someone stand there and watch a person being assaulted? Being a complete idiot? desentisized to violence? Part of the plan? I think back then..Roman times..medieval..it was the same as "video games" today...it was accepted as "normal"..a "game"...

We're supposed to be civilized..yet we have these medieval games..horrible violent games that kids play. If you've seen some...look at the outfits..they are Knights..Warriors...Dark Side characters.

I'm not talking about the victim here..I'm talking about the people who violated her.

jmo

J

[airportwoman]

Actually, there were violent and sexually charged video games in 1983. They may not have had the resolution and graphics they do now, but they did exist. I was 19 years old in 1983.

There was a game that could be played on Atari or Nintendo where a cowboy would abduct a fair Indian maiden, tie her to a post, and rape her. Yes, it was kindergarten graphics compared to now, but it was available, and wasn't available for long.

Not long after that, I saw a news report - the first reference I remember to the Internet, which hadn't been officially named yet - about white supremacists exchanging information on computer networks, and they showed a swastika on a computer screen, made of green X's.

[VC2]

I understand this..but is far different from a Spectator. Were the people who went to the Coliseum Bystanders? No..they were Spectators. they paid their price or had their "ticket" and they were there to watch the carnage and throw up a thumbs up or thumbs down. (OR by some standards..required to be there..like it or not..) Were the middle ages people watching jousts bystanders..NO..not in my opinion. Is it due to as you said fricking video games? I don't know..maybe..maybe not. Why would someone stand there and watch a person being assaulted? Being a complete idiot? desentisized to violence? Part of the plan? I think back then..Roman times..medieval..it was the same as "video games" today...it was accepted as "normal"..a "game"...

We're supposed to be civilized..yet we have these medieval games..horrible violent games that kids play. If you've seen some...look at the outfits..they are Knights..Warriors...Dark Side characters.

I'm not talking about the victim here..I'm talking about the people who violated her.

jmo

J

What i was saying about jousts and knights as an example were that it was part and parcel of life in those times, and if any of those spectators were in a situation where someone was assaulted and/or murdered and didn't go for help then people discussing it would blame it on the violence in jousts and fairground battles that children were exposed to.

Not that it was an example of the same sort of violence but just like video games are blamed now and radio probably back in 1964 when poor kitty genovese was attacked and murdered and adults did nothing but stand by, middle ages had their scape goat as well wen someone is raped and assaulted or murdered in the back alley of a local village with neighbors or people in the pub looking on. In the 40's when it happened it was probably the war that was blamed for bystanders looking on and not calling for help

In stead what should be discussed is what happens to people in these horrible situations psychologically and what can be done to stop/break the mindset.

To see these so called psychologists completely ignore the fact it has happened for generations, decades, centuries and probably milleniums is infuriating. They talk about video games to make people feel better, it isn't solving the problem. It just tells parents if their kids never watch them then they won't be bystanders which is false imo as the relatives of Kitty Genovese discovered.

IMO

[courtsinsession]

I can't begin to tell you how bothered I am that people watched, took pictures and came and went like it was just any other day.

Thank you to the one person that heard the story second hand and called police. You are my hero

The Bystander Effect is nothing new; are you familiar with the Kitty Genovese case in New York? if not, google it; this case is delineated in college textbooks and was the first significant case to detail a situation where many bystanders watch and do nothing while someone is being beaten raped and killed.. Sadly,this is not a new phenomenon.

[birdwatch]

The Bystander Effect is nothing new; are you familiar with the Kitty Genovese case in New York? if not, google it; this case is delineated in college textbooks and was the first significant case to detail a situation where many bystanders watch and do nothing while someone is being beaten raped and killed.. Sadly,this is not a new phenomenon.
While this case was famous for "bystanders watching" in fact they could not see what was going on. There have been many articles providing some clarification of the facts in the case (including under Kitty Genovese in Wikipedia).
In this current case I would see these watchers as involved participants. They could see and know absolutely what was going on and were simply enjoying the show.

[Jim]

Another arrest made Tuesday.

LINK (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33605508/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/)

I'm sure there'll be more.

[coffeetx]

I wonder if she was targeted because she is mentally handicapped in some way, and they thought she wouldn't tell anyone what happened?

Remember the case about 20 years ago where some megajocks gang-raped a retarded classmate and bragged about it, and authorities tried to cover it up to keep them on the team?

When I was in high school 30 years ago, in white middle-class Iowa no less, I worked with a girl from this crowd and they would have huge drug-infested parties and the boys always invited girls from the special-ed class for this purpose. :cursing: But we didn't have CNN or You Tube, and even if authorities had known about this, it would have been all covered up anyway.

And a college classmate of mine who is a few years older than me said that when she was in high school in Davenport, Iowa ca. 1975, three boys dragged a girl into a bathroom and gang raped her during school hours. Because they were white and middle class, and she was a black girl from the inner city, it was completely disregarded. At this point, the family moved to another city.

I remember the case of the girl who was in the special ed classes and was raped by the jocks. They made it into a Lifetime movie . This is the very first thing that I thought of when I heard about this case. They sounded similar. The girl was lured by a guy that she knew from school who she may hav liked and trusted.