Caylee 10/24 thru 10/26

[Pruddennce]

Car Seats........who has a link to Cindy saying in her depo she doesnt remember the brand of Casey's carseat.....IIRC, Cindy said the carseat in her OWN car was an Eddie Bauer......

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[Sun]

Has everyone read Lee's State Depo yet? I started it two days ago, but found it very, very hard to follow. I tend to focus in on the questions that are being asked, and it seems to me that Lee will just provide some sort of answer but not really answer the question that was asked. So far, I've not made it past page 115.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310241/detail.html

[Scampi]

From cynthia's depo page 68 line 10

cindy-I have my car seat yes.
Q-ok, can you describe it?
cindy-it's an eddie bauer car seat
Q- color?
cindy-brown and tan. We put it away a few months ago--
Q ok
cindy- in the attic.
Q-and what kind of car seat did casey have for caylee?
cindy I'm not sure what the name of hers was. I know it was black and white, but I don't know what the make of it was. She picked it out. She bought it.
Q- ok. Did you always keep your car seat in yoru vehicle?
cindy- Uh-huh.
Q-What kind fo car did you have?
cindy- i have a 4runner
Q- Toyota 4 runner?
cindy uh-huh.
Q-okay. And do you have knowledge as to whether or not casey kept the car seat that she purchased in the vehicle she used?
cindy-Right, And she would use it in her car and then jesse would use it if he--if she--if he was watching caylee at his house, or she would take his truck to work and he'd use her car.

[desmom]

From cynthia's depo page 68 line 10

cindy-I have my car seat yes.
Q-ok, can you describe it?
cindy-it's an eddie bauer car seat
Q- color?
cindy-brown and tan. We put it away a few months ago--
Q ok
cindy- in the attic.
Q-and what kind of car seat did casey have for caylee?
cindy I'm not sure what the name of hers was. I know it was black and white, but I don't know what the make of it was. She picked it out. She bought it.
Q- ok. Did you always keep your car seat in yoru vehicle?
cindy- Uh-huh.
Q-What kind fo car did you have?
cindy- i have a 4runner
Q- Toyota 4 runner?
cindy uh-huh.
Q-okay. And do you have knowledge as to whether or not casey kept the car seat that she purchased in the vehicle she used?
cindy-Right, And she would use it in her car and then jesse would use it if he--if she--if he was watching caylee at his house, or she would take his truck to work and he'd use her car.
Thanks Sun.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310276/detail.html

I was scrolling and scrolling trying to find it, when I finally remembered there is a word count at the end of each document listing page and line numbers.

[crimeq]

Thanks Sun.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310276/detail.html

I was scrolling and scrolling trying to find it, when I finally remembered there is a word count at the end of each document listing page and line numbers.

My bold.

Are those word/page/line counts done manually? Yikes -- I can't imagine a more boring task!

[Jester]

My bold.

Are those word/page/line counts done manually? Yikes -- I can't imagine a more boring task!

In any word document, go to the TOOLS TAB, then ... word count.

[snap4]

Brought over from yesterdays thread since I am just now reading them, but had some comments.

Originally Posted by desmom yesterday
I am not sure what the deal is with Casey, her family and the diploma because the records LE received from the school show that Casey did graduate. page 47 http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155477.pdf Maybe she did take a summer class and the family was not aware of it.

Just a thought...From Lee's depo (beginning on page 18, line 14) http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310241/detail.html

Q: Did you or were you aware that Casey was not able to graduate?

A: Yeah. We were informed -- she informed my mom, who obviously ten told me, the day of her graduation party. So -- so yeah. I'm aware of that.

Q: Tell me about that. Was it something that had come in the mail or --

A: Honestly, I never even know the details. I don't know if she was a class short, five minutes short. I have no idea. I just know that we never -- I never personally brought it up to her after the day when she brought it up and pretty much confessed, said: Mom, you know, by the way, thanks for the graduation party but I'm not graduating.....

Did Cindy make up the story about meeting with the school re Casey's graduation? I do not believe Cindy twisting facts to put Casey in a positive light is something that began when Casey was arrested. IMO, Cindy has been doing it for years. When Cindy told LE about Casey not graduating from h.s., it was the school's fault.

I think Lee's version of the events regarding Casey's h.s. graduation is more accurate than Cindy's.

jmo

My thoughts...
Well, maybe later on she did get her diploma after going to some classes but never told her parents. Then she would have it if she needed it but, if her parents knew she had it then she would not have that as an excuse not to get a job.
--Casey- I can't find a good job without a diploma Awww poor me! --
and then she would not have been able to still get her free ride. But then she discovered that she could pretend to work and that was even better.

Now about Lee's statments...why in the world would you throw a graduation party before she had even graduated? Every parent waits to do that after the actual ceromony..don't they? Did her parents not even go to the ceremony for their "Gifted" childs graduation and were not aware that she didn't get a diploma like all the other kids?

jmo

[Jester]

From cynthia's depo page 68 line 10

cindy-I have my car seat yes.
Q-ok, can you describe it?
cindy-it's an eddie bauer car seat
Q- color?
cindy-brown and tan. We put it away a few months ago--
Q ok
cindy- in the attic.
Q-and what kind of car seat did casey have for caylee?
cindy I'm not sure what the name of hers was. I know it was black and white, but I don't know what the make of it was. She picked it out. She bought it.
Q- ok. Did you always keep your car seat in yoru vehicle?
cindy- Uh-huh.
Q-What kind fo car did you have?
cindy- i have a 4runner
Q- Toyota 4 runner?
cindy uh-huh.
Q-okay. And do you have knowledge as to whether or not casey kept the car seat that she purchased in the vehicle she used?
cindy-Right, And she would use it in her car and then jesse would use it if he--if she--if he was watching caylee at his house, or she would take his truck to work and he'd use her car.

Help me out here ... why is Cindy talking about Jesse using the car seat. I thought Casey and Jesse split up when Caylee was about 1 ... making any car seat information completely irrelevant. Were they still together in any way in the year before Casey murdered Caylee?

[crimeq]

In any word document, go to the TOOLS TAB, then ... word count.

I know how to generate a word count, but these are broken down by page #, word and line # (and line/word #?).

Word can't generate that, I don't think ... perhaps it is an automated process but I can't see how that would work?

[damienstoy]

Now about Lee's statments...why in the world would you throw a graduation party before she had even graduated? Every parent waits to do that after the actual ceromony..don't they? Did her parents not even go to the ceremony for their "Gifted" childs graduation and were not aware that she didn't get a diploma like all the other kids?

jmo

Snipped to address

In the high school I attended, if you were going to take the missed class or classes over the summer, they allowed you to walk with the class, and just gave you an empty diploma holder, then sent you the diploma once you had completed the requirements.

[snap4]

Help me out here ... why is Cindy talking about Jesse using the car seat. I thought Casey and Jesse split up when Caylee was about 1 ... making any car seat information completely irrelevant. Were they still together in any way in the year before Casey murdered Caylee?


Another attempt to throw him under the bus. "He used the car seat" ..just incase they discovered evidence rguarding the car seat she could say Jesse had it.
jmo

[snap4]

Snipped to address

In the high school I attended, if you were going to take the missed class or classes over the summer, they allowed you to walk with the class, and just gave you an empty diploma holder, then sent you the diploma once you had completed the requirements.


So the proud parents of the gifted one just never even looked in the folder? And threw her a party and never placed the diploma on the talbe by the cake or somewhere... just saying, she seems to proudly display a death certificate
LOL

[sydney]

i REALLY found this link to be very interesting - REALLY i did. hope it works.

http://www.youtube.com/user/veilanna?blend=3&ob=4#p/a/f/0
/CBoSNT3GDJ8

[Jester]

I know how to generate a word count, but these are broken down by page #, word and line # (and line/word #?).

Word can't generate that, I don't think ... perhaps it is an automated process but I can't see how that would work?

Oops, I didn't realize that it was broken down like that ... my guess is it's part of the software.

[Holden]

Has everyone read Lee's State Depo yet? I started it two days ago, but found it very, very hard to follow. I tend to focus in on the questions that are being asked, and it seems to me that Lee will just provide some sort of answer but not really answer the question that was asked. So far, I've not made it past page 115.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310241/detail.html

I read Lee's entire depo. Here are the things I thought were sorta interesting - first he says that he is positive Jesse is ZFG. He says that when ZFG was sitting on the bench, holding casey's arm, telling her that she was going to take Caylee, it had to be Jesse holding her wrist. Otherwise casey would have been able to pull away.

Another interesting little nugget - Lee says TL peeled the dead squirrle(s) off the frame of casey's car. This is interesting because he says after that last jail interview with casey, he never spoke to her again, never got mail from her, etc. Since we don't see this in that jail interview, when exactly did casey tell him this?

Also - Lee says if he'd known his mother had ZFG's phone # and address that night (July 15th) when casey came home, he would have grabbed it and acted upon the info.

The rest of it is just (laughter) on and on and on. My take, anyway.

[crimeq]

Oops, I didn't realize that it was broken down like that ... my guess is it's part of the software.

Jester, I would hope so! Have you looked at the breakdown at the end of the depos? I have indexed manuscripts for keywords but even that requires going through the document and highlighting the word, a tedious enough process, but EVERY WORD in these documents is indexed--and each by page, by line, by word.

[snap4]

I read Lee's entire depo. Here are the things I thought were sorta interesting - first he says that he is positive Jesse is ZFG. He says that when ZFG was sitting on the bench, holding casey's arm, telling her that she was going to take Caylee, it had to be Jesse holding her wrist. Otherwise casey would have been able to pull away.

Another interesting little nugget - Lee says TL peeled the dead squirrle(s) off the frame of casey's car. This is interesting because he says after that last jail interview with casey, he never spoke to her again, never got mail from her, etc. Since we don't see this in that jail interview, when exactly did casey tell him this?

Also - Lee says if he'd known his mother had ZFG's phone # and address that night (July 15th) when casey came home, he would have grabbed it and acted upon the info.

The rest of it is just (laughter) on and on and on. My take, anyway.

yes very interesting! Why would Cindy or Lee need Casey to take them to Caylee if they had the address all along?

[seeing_eye]

yes very interesting! Why would Cindy or Lee need Casey to take them to Caylee if they had the address all along?

The answer is simple. Cindy didn't have the address or phone number for ZFG. She lied. I doubt she had ever even heard of ZFG.

[Sun]

I read Lee's entire depo. Here are the things I thought were sorta interesting - first he says that he is positive Jesse is ZFG. He says that when ZFG was sitting on the bench, holding casey's arm, telling her that she was going to take Caylee, it had to be Jesse holding her wrist. Otherwise casey would have been able to pull away.

Another interesting little nugget - Lee says TL peeled the dead squirrle(s) off the frame of casey's car. This is interesting because he says after that last jail interview with casey, he never spoke to her again, never got mail from her, etc. Since we don't see this in that jail interview, when exactly did casey tell him this?

Also - Lee says if he'd known his mother had ZFG's phone # and address that night (July 15th) when casey came home, he would have grabbed it and acted upon the info.

The rest of it is just (laughter) on and on and on. My take, anyway.

It makes no sense that Cindy would have had an address for Zanny, and not went to that address (or called) when she first realized that Casey was keeping Caylee from her. I wonder if Cindy's actions in "creating a fictional address/phone number for Zanny" on a post-it note and giving it to LE, could be considered aiding and abetting in a crime (or something like that). If Cindy did this, she did it with the intentions of backing up the perps story that there was a Zanny, in order to mislead LE.

[snap4]

It makes no sense that Cindy would have had an address for Zanny, and not went to that address (or called) when she first realized that Casey was keeping Caylee from her. I wonder if Cindy's actions in "creating a fictional address/phone number for Zanny" on a post-it note and giving it to LE, could be considered aiding and abetting in a crime (or something like that). If Cindy did this, she did it with the intentions of backing up the perps story that there was a Zanny, in order to mislead LE.


Agreed! It as very deceptive! If I had such pertinent information I would have either handed it over to the police the second they got there or went there myself immediately! Nothing would have stopped me from going straight to "the nanny's" house and calling the police on the way there! She had no info on a supposed sticky note...she should be charged!
jmo

[Holden]

It makes no sense that Cindy would have had an address for Zanny, and not went to that address (or called) when she first realized that Casey was keeping Caylee from her. I wonder if Cindy's actions in "creating a fictional address/phone number for Zanny" on a post-it note and giving it to LE, could be considered aiding and abetting in a crime (or something like that). If Cindy did this, she did it with the intentions of backing up the perps story that there was a Zanny, in order to mislead LE.

The cover up started, I mean, right away. And why would that be? Because cindy knew right away, whatever was going on, whatever lies casey was telling - a cover up was going to be necessary. So there's the sticky note with ZFG name address and #. Seems to me this sort of lying to LE is against the law. Sure, cindy did it as a matter of course, she'd always covered up for casey, but now it's a matter of legalities. Or do I have it completely wrong? Because cindy is merely covering up someone else's crime, does that mean it's not against the law to lie to LE?:sad:

[SayItAgain]

I know how to generate a word count, but these are broken down by page #, word and line # (and line/word #?).

Word can't generate that, I don't think ... perhaps it is an automated process but I can't see how that would work?

I suspect it's a function of the court reporter's recording equipment?

[crimeq]

yes very interesting! Why would Cindy or Lee need Casey to take them to Caylee if they had the address all along?

I believe both George and Lee said in their depos that they had not heard the name Zanny before--Cindy said she had heard it numerous times, over a period of time.

How early was Cindy doing a cover-up?

[crimeq]

I suspect it's a function of the court reporter's recording equipment?

I hope so! LOL

[snap4]

I believe both George and Lee said in their depos that they had not heard the name Zanny before--Cindy said she had heard it numerous times, over a period of time.

How early was Cindy doing a cover-up?

I thought from the begining all of them besides Casey were saying the had never heard of Zanny? And then Cindy changed her story first and Lee and George follwered after her...am I wrong did Cindy say she had heard of Zanny right away?

[SayItAgain]

The answer is simple. Cindy didn't have the address or phone number for ZFG. She lied. I doubt she had ever even heard of ZFG.

I imagine she had Post-It notes of some nonsense or other given her by Casey. She ignored it because she knew her daughter lied and the numbers were bogus. I'm sure over the years, just about all information provided by Casey to her family proved bogus. So Cindy had the bogus Post-Its, and she was able to give them to LE like some kind of prize, but the reason she never used them herself or told Lee about them was because she knew they would lead nowhere. imo

You can see how the sickness was handed down and passed around, though, as all 4 of them behave similarly. Casey gives bogus information to Cindy, Cindy knows it's bogus, and they both just go on with their lives. Cindy gives bogus information to LE, Cindy knows it's bogus, and she just presumes to go on with her life.

When she's cornered by LE about such things, she ultimately goes to her NOT MY JOB fallback position, for example: "Casey gave me those numbers for ZFG. Why would I question them? She's Caylee's mother, not me."

"No, I never tried to call the numbers. Why would I? Caylee's Casey's child, not mine."

"No, I didn't try to call them when Casey told me the babysitter took Caylee. Why would I? I'd already called you guys ... it was your job to find the babysitter, not mine."

The problem is everyone ends the word games too early with these two females. Someone needs to keep to a line of questioning that rips away every last one of their circular excuses until they are standing there exposed for the liars and lousy people they are. But it would require very aggressive questioning and no qualms about calling Cindy and Casey out for who they really are, which is hard for most people to do, and not, in the end, the job of LE.

[charmin 66]

Brought over from yesterdays thread since I am just now reading them, but had some comments.

Originally Posted by desmom yesterday
I am not sure what the deal is with Casey, her family and the diploma because the records LE received from the school show that Casey did graduate. page 47 http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155477.pdf Maybe she did take a summer class and the family was not aware of it.

Just a thought...From Lee's depo (beginning on page 18, line 14) http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310241/detail.html

Q: Did you or were you aware that Casey was not able to graduate?

A: Yeah. We were informed -- she informed my mom, who obviously ten told me, the day of her graduation party. So -- so yeah. I'm aware of that.

Q: Tell me about that. Was it something that had come in the mail or --

A: Honestly, I never even know the details. I don't know if she was a class short, five minutes short. I have no idea. I just know that we never -- I never personally brought it up to her after the day when she brought it up and pretty much confessed, said: Mom, you know, by the way, thanks for the graduation party but I'm not graduating.....

Did Cindy make up the story about meeting with the school re Casey's graduation? I do not believe Cindy twisting facts to put Casey in a positive light is something that began when Casey was arrested. IMO, Cindy has been doing it for years. When Cindy told LE about Casey not graduating from h.s., it was the school's fault.

I think Lee's version of the events regarding Casey's h.s. graduation is more accurate than Cindy's.

jmo

My thoughts...
Well, maybe later on she did get her diploma after going to some classes but never told her parents. Then she would have it if she needed it but, if her parents knew she had it then she would not have that as an excuse not to get a job.
--Casey- I can't find a good job without a diploma Awww poor me! --
and then she would not have been able to still get her free ride. But then she discovered that she could pretend to work and that was even better.

Now about Lee's statments...why in the world would you throw a graduation party before she had even graduated? Every parent waits to do that after the actual ceromony..don't they? Did her parents not even go to the ceremony for their "Gifted" childs graduation and were not aware that she didn't get a diploma like all the other kids?

jmo

BBM

I noticed this as well. Looking at the record, I believe that LE has misinterpreted the "code W06". What could the "W" mean besides withdrawn?

I hate to pick and choose but, in the matter of "Did Casey Graduate?", I believe G&C.

[SayItAgain]

The cover up started, I mean, right away. And why would that be? Because cindy knew right away, whatever was going on, whatever lies casey was telling - a cover up was going to be necessary. So there's the sticky note with ZFG name address and #. Seems to me this sort of lying to LE is against the law. Sure, cindy did it as a matter of course, she'd always covered up for casey, but now it's a matter of legalities. Or do I have it completely wrong? Because cindy is merely covering up someone else's crime, does that mean it's not against the law to lie to LE?:sad:

There are many games Cindy plays (as well as Casey) that are just too big a waste of LE's time to pursue. If Cindy has a sticky note with information on ZFG she says Casey gave her, and when faced with the fact the info is bogus she then claims she never actually checked the info ("I had no reason to") and therefore didn't know it was bogus, what can LE really do about that? How can they prove she's lying? And to what end? And how long might it take?

I'd really like to see someone get about an inch from Cindy's face and back her all the way into a corner and all the way through any one of her dozens of mis-truths to reveal her as the deliberate liar she is. I'd REALLY love to see that. But ... it's not LE's job.

[AlohaRainbow]

I believe both George and Lee said in their depos that they had not heard the name Zanny before--Cindy said she had heard it numerous times, over a period of time.

How early was Cindy doing a cover-up?

so cindy said she handed over the sticky with zanny's phone no and address to LE... has that sticky ever shown up in any of the discovery that's been released so far?

[snap4]

There are many games Cindy plays (as well as Casey) that are just too big a waste of LE's time to pursue. If Cindy has a sticky note with information on ZFG she says Casey gave her, and when faced with the fact the info is bogus she then claims she never actually checked the info ("I had no reason to") and therefore didn't know it was bogus, what can LE really do about that? How can they prove she's lying? And to what end? And how long might it take?

I'd really like to see someone get about an inch from Cindy's face and back her all the way into a corner and all the way through any one of her dozens of mis-truths to reveal her as the deliberate liar she is. I'd REALLY love to see that. But ... it's not LE's job.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong but, I truly remember her saying in and interview that she had this "supposed" sticky note in her address book and that the only explaination for it being missing is that LE took it in the search, but that they [LE] lost/destroyed it as they claim to have never seen such a note...I swear I heard her say that...does anyone remember this? I remember it because I thought yeah right...you all of a sudden remember this note but LE must have lost it. I remember rolling my eyes on that one. It was one of those in your face impromtu news blips of her standing outside their house or outside the courthouse.

Anyone remember this...can we find a link?

[summer]

There are many games Cindy plays (as well as Casey) that are just too big a waste of LE's time to pursue. If Cindy has a sticky note with information on ZFG she says Casey gave her, and when faced with the fact the info is bogus she then claims she never actually checked the info ("I had no reason to") and therefore didn't know it was bogus, what can LE really do about that? How can they prove she's lying? And to what end? And how long might it take?

I'd really like to see someone get about an inch from Cindy's face and back her all the way into a corner and all the way through any one of her dozens of mis-truths to reveal her as the deliberate liar she is. I'd REALLY love to see that. But ... it's not LE's job.

Hi there - I agree it's not LE's job to an extent but I'm frustrated with the SA in their depos of the family. They are the ones taking this to trial and I don't understand why they didn't nail the family on each one of their lies. I assume all lines of questioning were pertinent to their case so why wasn't the family cornered right then and there. I'm sure the prosecutors are whip smart and tough and cagey but I'm slightly worried about how this bodes for the trial!

(basically a driveby as I only have a few minutes but I'm mystified...)

[snap4]

BBM

I noticed this as well. Looking at the record, I believe that LE has misinterpreted the "code W06". What could the "W" mean besides withdrawn?

I hate to pick and choose but, in the matter of "Did Casey Graduate?", I believe G&C.

So they threw her a party just so everyone else wouldn't know that she didn't actually graduate? To keep up appearence?

[SayItAgain]

Someone please correct me if I am wrong but, I truly remember her saying in and interview that she had this "supposed" sticky note in her address book and that the only explaination for it being missing is that LE took it in the search, but that they [LE] lost/destroyed it as they claim to have never seen such a note...I swear I heard her say that...does anyone remember this? I remember it because I thought yeah right...you all of a sudden remember this note but LE must have lost it. I remember rolling my eyes on that one. It was one of those in your face impromtu news blips of her standing outside their house or outside the courthouse.

Anyone remember this...can we find a link?

In her state depo, part 1, she's asked about this. Either Linda DB or Ashton asks her to describe where she kept the note (they even wanted a description of her address book), and they asked her to describe the officer she supposedly handed the note to. I don't know where all that was going, except it'll surely boil down to Cindy lying about something. Which is, of course, nothing new.

[SayItAgain]

Hi there - I agree it's not LE's job to an extent but I'm frustrated with the SA in their depos of the family. They are the ones taking this to trial and I don't understand why they didn't nail the family on each one of their lies. I assume all lines of questioning were pertinent to their case so why wasn't the family cornered right then and there. I'm sure the prosecutors are whip smart and tough and cagey but I'm slightly worried about how this bodes for the trial!

(basically a driveby as I only have a few minutes but I'm mystified...)

I don't know anything for sure, sis, except I imagine the SA already has the answers to almost every question they're asking. I think that's the way they roll -- never ask a question you don't already know the answer to.

There's much WE don't know, but that doesn't mean the SA hasn't pieced most of it together by now.

ETA: I have to separate my deepest desires to see the Anthonys nailed to the wall by SOMEONE -- ANYONE -- on their lies, from the work the state is doing to prosecute Casey.

[summer]

I don't know anything for sure, sis, except I imagine the SA already has the answers to almost every question they're asking. I think that's the way they roll -- never ask a question you don't already know the answer to.

There's much WE don't know, but that doesn't mean the SA hasn't pieced most of it together by now.

My best case scenario is they're waiting to nail them in court. I just hope the family wasn't successful in just obfuscating to the point of wearing the questioners down... just like they do with everyone else. Really someone has to stop these people!

Anyhoo...... :seeya:

[ladeebug565]

Brought over from yesterdays thread since I am just now reading them, but had some comments.

Originally Posted by desmom yesterday
I am not sure what the deal is with Casey, her family and the diploma because the records LE received from the school show that Casey did graduate. page 47 http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155477.pdf Maybe she did take a summer class and the family was not aware of it.

Just a thought...From Lee's depo (beginning on page 18, line 14) http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310241/detail.html

Q: Did you or were you aware that Casey was not able to graduate?

A: Yeah. We were informed -- she informed my mom, who obviously ten told me, the day of her graduation party. So -- so yeah. I'm aware of that.

Q: Tell me about that. Was it something that had come in the mail or --

A: Honestly, I never even know the details. I don't know if she was a class short, five minutes short. I have no idea. I just know that we never -- I never personally brought it up to her after the day when she brought it up and pretty much confessed, said: Mom, you know, by the way, thanks for the graduation party but I'm not graduating.....

Did Cindy make up the story about meeting with the school re Casey's graduation? I do not believe Cindy twisting facts to put Casey in a positive light is something that began when Casey was arrested. IMO, Cindy has been doing it for years. When Cindy told LE about Casey not graduating from h.s., it was the school's fault.

I think Lee's version of the events regarding Casey's h.s. graduation is more accurate than Cindy's.

jmo

My thoughts...
Well, maybe later on she did get her diploma after going to some classes but never told her parents. Then she would have it if she needed it but, if her parents knew she had it then she would not have that as an excuse not to get a job.
--Casey- I can't find a good job without a diploma Awww poor me! --
and then she would not have been able to still get her free ride. But then she discovered that she could pretend to work and that was even better.

Now about Lee's statments...why in the world would you throw a graduation party before she had even graduated? Every parent waits to do that after the actual ceromony..don't they? Did her parents not even go to the ceremony for their "Gifted" childs graduation and were not aware that she didn't get a diploma like all the other kids?

jmo


I replayed one of Casey's police interviews the other day. I believe she said that she not only graduated from high school but went to Valencia for 1.5 years. I wasn't sure I heard her right, so I replayed it several times to make sure she was talking about herself. Did she not think that LE would check out all of her stories? These are not "half-truths" or "mis-truths", these are bold-faced lies.

[charmin 66]

So they threw her a party just so everyone else wouldn't know that she didn't actually graduate? To keep up appearence?

I'm sure they would have sold those pictures, ya know the cap & gown, the "Congratulations" cake.

I think Rick said that she never did graduate. I wonder if you're expected to bring a gift to a non-graduation party?

[need2no]

In her state depo, part 1, she's asked about this. Either Linda DB or Ashton asks her to describe where she kept the note (they even wanted a description of her address book), and they asked her to describe the officer she supposedly handed the note to. I don't know where all that was going, except it'll surely boil down to Cindy lying about something. Which is, of course, nothing new.

IIRC Cindy described the detective (a black man) she gave this sticky note to that night at her house. I'm sure LE is aware of all the officers that were at their house, and hopefully they can prove there was no one who fit the description Cindy provided. Also strange she didn't give this IMPORTANT piece of info to the lead detective on the case, and bless her heart she didn't know the name of the officer/detective that she handed this over to. :rolleyes:

Cindy, Cindy, Cindy.............the lies just roll out of her mouth with such ease.

[snap4]

I'm sure they would have sold those pictures, ya know the cap & gown, the "Congratulations" cake.

I think Rick said that she never did graduate. I wonder if you're expected to bring a gift to a non-graduation party?

LOL of course..cause after all it wasn't Casey's fault she didn't graduate!

[snap4]

In her state depo, part 1, she's asked about this. Either Linda DB or Ashton asks her to describe where she kept the note (they even wanted a description of her address book), and they asked her to describe the officer she supposedly handed the note to. I don't know where all that was going, except it'll surely boil down to Cindy lying about something. Which is, of course, nothing new.

Thank you I knew I remembered something about that

[Pruddennce]

From cynthia's depo page 68 line 10

cindy-I have my car seat yes.
Q-ok, can you describe it?
cindy-it's an eddie bauer car seat
Q- color?
cindy-brown and tan. We put it away a few months ago--
Q ok
cindy- in the attic.
Q-and what kind of car seat did casey have for caylee?
cindy I'm not sure what the name of hers was. I know it was black and white, but I don't know what the make of it was. She picked it out. She bought it.
Q- ok. Did you always keep your car seat in yoru vehicle?
cindy- Uh-huh.
Q-What kind fo car did you have?
cindy- i have a 4runner
Q- Toyota 4 runner?
cindy uh-huh.
Q-okay. And do you have knowledge as to whether or not casey kept the car seat that she purchased in the vehicle she used?
cindy-Right, And she would use it in her car and then jesse would use it if he--if she--if he was watching caylee at his house, or she would take his truck to work and he'd use her car.

thank you so much Scampi.

when the car was seized, an EddieBauer carseat was in Casey's vehicle.

LE's Report: http://blogs.discovery.com/files/18530237.pdf

on another note (so many notes).... in reading a bit of her depo, part 2she claims 'the clothing that George saw her wearing are the only clothes and shoes missing from her wardrobe'. She further states: SHE DID NOT PERSONALLY SEE THE CLOTHING CAYLEE WAS WEARING ON JUNE 16TH.

page 385

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html

interesting isnt it: George now claims Cindy saw Caylee before she went to work. Cindy said she didnt.

Cindy bringing up the # of teeth Caylee had, and implying the ME somehow had it wrong OR is this her way of saying it isnt Caylee? OFGS........it was not even relevant to that portion of the depo....just 'out of the blue' she squeezed that in....IM WONDERING WHY......

I remain curious about the carseat. why would Cindy leave a smelly carseat in the vehicle (it is fabric), and take everything else out except for the boots and shoes? does anyone truly believe that Cindy HAD NO CLUE about the brand of carseat in Casey's car? she sure knew all about the seat covers for the carseat that were in the bin in the trunk that she 'never got around to modifying to fit Casey's carseat.....

would Cindy FORGET that Casey had an Eddie Bauer carseat just like the one in her vehicle? I THINK NOT.

has LE seized the carseat that somehow made its way to the attic? Im wondering if this is the carseat that Casey had in her car. and they subsequently disposed of it.

Im still curious about Casey's shopping sprees at JC Pennys.

Cindy infuriates me. she couldnt resist mentioning Jesse and THE CAR SEAT as if that is significant as it relates to the present day.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

[snap4]

IIRC Cindy described the detective (a black man) she gave this sticky note to that night at her house. I'm sure LE is aware of all the officers that were at their house, and hopefully they can prove there was no one who fit the description Cindy provided. Also strange she didn't give this IMPORTANT piece of info to the lead detective on the case, and bless her heart she didn't know the name of the officer/detective that she handed this over to. :rolleyes:

Cindy, Cindy, Cindy.............the lies just roll out of her mouth with such ease.

Yes and that "officer" she "supposedly" handed this "supposed" vital information of where exactly these fine LE could simply go and get this evil baby napping nanny just managed to somehow get misplaced and he never even happened to show it to any other officers. WOW that officers career is over as he single handedly misplaced the the location of adorable little Caylee.

Ya... and I am really Micheal Jackson and I am actually alive LOL

[AnnieKins]

So the proud parents of the gifted one just never even looked in the folder? And threw her a party and never placed the diploma on the talbe by the cake or somewhere... just saying, she seems to proudly display a death certificate
LOL

No kidding, snap! What a family. :sneaky:

[Scampi]

I agree with everyone that LE knows the answers to most of the questions posed to cynthia. When they slap her up on that stand during the trial, I think we will see one heck of a cross exam, and the liar will be caught and exposed to the jury. She thinks she is so smart, I think she has a very rude awakening in store.

IMO

[Sun]

IIRC Cindy described the detective (a black man) she gave this sticky note to that night at her house. I'm sure LE is aware of all the officers that were at their house, and hopefully they can prove there was no one who fit the description Cindy provided. Also strange she didn't give this IMPORTANT piece of info to the lead detective on the case, and bless her heart she didn't know the name of the officer/detective that she handed this over to. :rolleyes:

Cindy, Cindy, Cindy.............the lies just roll out of her mouth with such ease.

I wonder if there is any way to determine the "name" of this detective/officer? If so, then it would be much easier to track down whether he included this in his statement. (there are lots and lots of LE emplyees on the State's Witness List)

[AnnieKins]

I replayed one of Casey's police interviews the other day. I believe she said that she not only graduated from high school but went to Valencia for 1.5 years. I wasn't sure I heard her right, so I replayed it several times to make sure she was talking about herself. Did she not think that LE would check out all of her stories? These are not "half-truths" or "mis-truths", these are bold-faced lies.

Thank you, lb! Despite Cindy's definition, there is no such thing as a half-truth or a mis-truth. Everytime they twist the truth, they are uttering bold-faced lies. That family is reprehensible.

[Scampi]

Yes and that "officer" she "supposedly" handed this "supposed" vital information of where exactly these fine LE could simply go and get this evil baby napping nanny just managed to somehow get misplaced and he never even happened to show it to any other officers. WOW that officers career is over as he single handedly misplaced the the location of adorable little Caylee.

Ya... and I am really Micheal Jackson and I am actually alive LOL

Going strickly by memory here, I think the black gentleman cynthia described giving the "post it" to was the Commander.

I'm sure the defense's jury consultant, and they will have one, will demand that the jury be chock full of people who distrust police officers. IMO.

[charmin 66]

thank you so much Scampi.

when the car was seized, an EddieBauer carseat was in Casey's vehicle.

LE's Report: http://blogs.discovery.com/files/18530237.pdf

on another note (so many notes).... in reading a bit of her depo, part 2she claims 'the clothing that George saw her wearing are the only clothes and shoes missing from her wardrobe'. She further states: SHE DID NOT PERSONALLY SEE THE CLOTHING CAYLEE WAS WEARING ON JUNE 16TH.

page 385

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html

interesting isnt it: George now claims Cindy saw Caylee before she went to work. Cindy said she didnt.

Cindy bringing up the # of teeth Caylee had, and implying the ME somehow had it wrong OR is this her way of saying it isnt Caylee? OFGS........it was not even relevant to that portion of the depo....just 'out of the blue' she squeezed that in....IM WONDERING WHY......

I remain curious about the carseat. why would Cindy leave a smelly carseat in the vehicle (it is fabric), and take everything else out except for the boots and shoes? does anyone truly believe that Cindy HAD NO CLUE about the brand of carseat in Casey's car? she sure knew all about the seat covers for the carseat that were in the bin in the trunk that she 'never got around to modifying to fit Casey's carseat.....

would Cindy FORGET that Casey had an Eddie Bauer carseat just like the one in her vehicle? I THINK NOT.

has LE seized the carseat that somehow made its way to the attic? Im wondering if this is the carseat that Casey had in her car. and they subsequently disposed of it.

Im still curious about Casey's shopping sprees at JC Pennys.

Cindy infuriates me. she couldnt resist mentioning Jesse and THE CAR SEAT as if that is significant as it relates to the present day.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

BBM

Cindy manages to mention Jesse's connection to everything, doesn't she?

[AlohaRainbow]

sooo... can anyone recall seeing the sticky note with zanny's address/phone no. among the discovery documents that have been released?
(i ask because i haven't gone over everything with a fine tooth comb, so i may have misssed if it was released)

[Sun]

Going strickly by memory here, I think the black gentleman cynthia described giving the "post it" to was the Commander.

I'm sure the defense's jury consultant, and they will have one, will demand that the jury be chock full of people who distrust police officers. IMO.

I'll agree with your opinion on this! Do you suppose that the defense will ever get around to taking depositions of all of the officers?

[tulpje]

i REALLY found this link to be very interesting - REALLY i did. hope it works.

http://www.youtube.com/user/veilanna?blend=3&ob=4#p/a/f/0
/CBoSNT3GDJ8


The voice on the video does not even sound like Cindy's voice, and they show a tape of Cindy talking, yet her mouth is saying different words.

[Lavinya]

Has everyone read Lee's State Depo yet? I started it two days ago, but found it very, very hard to follow. I tend to focus in on the questions that are being asked, and it seems to me that Lee will just provide some sort of answer but not really answer the question that was asked. So far, I've not made it past page 115.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310241/detail.html

I started it last week, Sun. He sure seemed to try to diminish any attention on him while he lived in the Anthony's house. If something didn't directly involve him, he claims not to know anything about it. That's what I have so far on him anyway.

[Scampi]

I'll agree with your opinion on this! Do you suppose that the defense will ever get around to taking depositions of all of the officers?

Good question. BTW, we haven't seen anything by the responding officers other then the arrest report, have we?

[need2no]

thank you so much Scampi.

when the car was seized, an EddieBauer carseat was in Casey's vehicle.

LE's Report: http://blogs.discovery.com/files/18530237.pdf

on another note (so many notes).... in reading a bit of her depo, part 2she claims 'the clothing that George saw her wearing are the only clothes and shoes missing from her wardrobe'. She further states: SHE DID NOT PERSONALLY SEE THE CLOTHING CAYLEE WAS WEARING ON JUNE 16TH.

page 385

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html

interesting isnt it: George now claims Cindy saw Caylee before she went to work. Cindy said she didnt.

Cindy bringing up the # of teeth Caylee had, and implying the ME somehow had it wrong OR is this her way of saying it isnt Caylee? OFGS........it was not even relevant to that portion of the depo....just 'out of the blue' she squeezed that in....IM WONDERING WHY......

I remain curious about the carseat. why would Cindy leave a smelly carseat in the vehicle (it is fabric), and take everything else out except for the boots and shoes? does anyone truly believe that Cindy HAD NO CLUE about the brand of carseat in Casey's car? she sure knew all about the seat covers for the carseat that were in the bin in the trunk that she 'never got around to modifying to fit Casey's carseat.....

would Cindy FORGET that Casey had an Eddie Bauer carseat just like the one in her vehicle? I THINK NOT.

has LE seized the carseat that somehow made its way to the attic? Im wondering if this is the carseat that Casey had in her car. and they subsequently disposed of it.

Im still curious about Casey's shopping sprees at JC Pennys.

Cindy infuriates me. she couldnt resist mentioning Jesse and THE CAR SEAT as if that is significant as it relates to the present day.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*


Pru I'm curious about the carseat too. Is the carseat found in casey's car the one she left in there, or did Cindy replace it with the one from her truck, or even another one she may have had at the house? Or did Cindy just replace the carseat cover on casey's carseat because the one that was on there was *stained* with 'something'? :crying: I recall Cindy saying she looked under the carseat in casey's car-strange. Did Cindy locate Caylee's missing tooth in or under that carseat? Was there blood from the tooth being 'knocked out'? She also got emotional briefly during the depo when talking about the carseat-why when she can talk about so many other heartbreaking aspects regarding Caylee without any emotion?

Did George haul away Caylee's carseat, and/or carseat cover (the one from casey's car), in the cooler he was seen driving away from the house with early in this case? Does anyone recall the date George left the house with the BIG cooler. Still annoys me someone didn't follow him that day.

[MiamiNice1]

sooo... can anyone recall seeing the sticky note with zanny's address/phone no. among the discovery documents that have been released?
(i ask because i haven't gone over everything with a fine tooth comb, so i may have misssed if it was released)
They asked LEE about this. Lee, in his depo, also mentioned the Black police Officer being in the house. (iirc, Cindy had said this particular officer was the one in charge)

When asked if LEE knew if Cindy had that sticky note with ZFG's supposed address or phone number or if he knew if Cindy had given it to this police officer - LEE says he highly doubted it - because he is positive that if Cindy had such information, he would have immediately gone to that address or called the number (paraphrased from LEE's depo).

The State has Cindy backed into a corner and she doesn't even know it! :rolleyes: I am sure the State already knows who this Officer is and probably has him on the witness list, ready to refute Cindy's lie......er.....mis-truth.

imo

[MiamiNice1]

Pru I'm curious about the carseat too. Is the carseat found in casey's car the one she left in there, or did Cindy replace it with the one from her truck, or even another one she may have had at the house? Or did Cindy just replace the carseat cover on casey's carseat because the one that was on there was *stained* with 'something'? :crying: I recall Cindy saying she looked under the carseat in casey's car-strange. Did Cindy locate Caylee's missing tooth in or under that carseat? Was there blood from the tooth being 'knocked out'? She also got emotional briefly during the depo when talking about the carseat-why when she can talk about so many other heartbreaking aspects regarding Caylee without any emotion?

Did George haul away Caylee's carseat, and/or carseat cover (the one from casey's car), in the cooler he was seen driving away from the house with early in this case? Does anyone recall the date George left the house with the BIG cooler. Still annoys me someone didn't follow him that day.

Good posts, need2no! Now.....iirc.....wasn't there mention of some kind of Pink w/Flowers car seat? Or am I totally off base?! :confused:


eta - or was that the one that belonged to (invisible) Zanny the nanny?

[need2no]

Good question. BTW, we haven't seen anything by the responding officers other then the arrest report, have we?


Not that I'm aware of.

You are correct, Cindy did say the OC officer was a commander, and Michael Irwin who is on the witness list is a commander, and conducted an investigation of the Anthony backyard on July 17, 2008, with OCSOs and CSIs.

Need to look at those pics of investigators in the Anthony's backyard to see if any of them are black men.

[need2no]

Good posts, need2no! Now.....iirc.....wasn't there mention of some kind of Pink w/Flowers car seat? Or am I totally off base?! :confused:


eta - or was that the one that belonged to (invisible) Zanny the nanny?

YES, I also recall something about that description, and you may be correct, it might have been what Cindy told LE (during interview) about the kind of carseat Zany had for Caylee. :rolleyes:

[MiamiNice1]

Another discrepancy between Cindy and Lee's depos:

Cindy claimed in her Depo that she wanted to dump all of Casey's things that Lee had collected from Tony Lazzaro's apartment and when she kept asking the police officers there in the house, they acted like they didn't care and didn't even respond - so Cindy claims she went ahead and dumped the stuff in the middle of the living room and that the police were totally indifferent.

Lee, however, recounts that when Cindy asked if she should dump the stuff, the police officer (Adriana) who knew Lee from High School said, "yes, dump it out." So that's when Cindy dumped the stuff in the middle of the living room.

Hmmm.....who to believe.....I go with Lee on this one! Cindy has lost total credibility a long, long time ago. Not only that, but her constant penchant of bad-mouthing everyone involved in this case is disgusting.

imo

[MiamiNice1]

I imagine she had Post-It notes of some nonsense or other given her by Casey. She ignored it because she knew her daughter lied and the numbers were bogus. I'm sure over the years, just about all information provided by Casey to her family proved bogus. So Cindy had the bogus Post-Its, and she was able to give them to LE like some kind of prize, but the reason she never used them herself or told Lee about them was because she knew they would lead nowhere. imo

You can see how the sickness was handed down and passed around, though, as all 4 of them behave similarly. Casey gives bogus information to Cindy, Cindy knows it's bogus, and they both just go on with their lives. Cindy gives bogus information to LE, Cindy knows it's bogus, and she just presumes to go on with her life.

When she's cornered by LE about such things, she ultimately goes to her NOT MY JOB fallback position, for example: "Casey gave me those numbers for ZFG. Why would I question them? She's Caylee's mother, not me."

"No, I never tried to call the numbers. Why would I? Caylee's Casey's child, not mine."

"No, I didn't try to call them when Casey told me the babysitter took Caylee. Why would I? I'd already called you guys ... it was your job to find the babysitter, not mine."

The problem is everyone ends the word games too early with these two females. Someone needs to keep to a line of questioning that rips away every last one of their circular excuses until they are standing there exposed for the liars and lousy people they are. But it would require very aggressive questioning and no qualms about calling Cindy and Casey out for who they really are, which is hard for most people to do, and not, in the end, the job of LE.

I wish there was an applause icon - this post is PERFECTION! I could have bolded the entire post! You really have the Anthony's number down pat, Say - especially so in the part I bolded. I believe that is EXACTLY how it goes with both Cindy and Casey.

I also wanted to tell you that one of your posts last night had me thinking a long time.....the part where you mentioned how "Cindy was the worst possible mother for someone with sociopathic tendencies".....this is something that I have never thought about before - but oh, HOW TRUE!! Brilliant! There probably ARE good/bad combos as you mentioned. Good food for thought! :wub:

imo

eta - Too bad Megyn Kelly was the ONLY person with the fortitude and guts to do the second part I bolded in your post!

[SayItAgain]

I agree with everyone that LE knows the answers to most of the questions posed to cynthia. When they slap her up on that stand during the trial, I think we will see one heck of a cross exam, and the liar will be caught and exposed to the jury. She thinks she is so smart, I think she has a very rude awakening in store.

IMO

That's why the joke will be on her, and then some. She is so completely the opposite of smart. I've actually never seen anyone so stupid in my life. Not only is she lying about things that can be easily proved, but she's arrogant about it and so completely distasteful as a human being that LE and the state will take every opportunity to turn her to bird feed on the stand. She's setting herself up for one big fall, imo. If she thinks her precious image has been damaged to date, wait until the state of Florida is through with her.

[Lavinya]

That's why the joke will be on her, and then some. She is so completely the opposite of smart. I've actually never seen anyone so stupid in my life. Not only is she lying about things that can be easily proved, but she's arrogant about it and so completely distasteful as a human being that LE and the state will take every opportunity to turn her to bird feed on the stand. She's setting herself up for one big fall, imo. If she thinks her precious image has been damaged to date, wait until the state of Florida is through with her.

Do you think she will ever acknowledge any kind of defeat or will her ego allow it?

[martha]

does anyone know when there will be another hearing in casey case? I guess cindy and george will not be on a show until they need more money. jmho:wub:

[crimeq]

I thought from the begining all of them besides Casey were saying the had never heard of Zanny? And then Cindy changed her story first and Lee and George follwered after her...am I wrong did Cindy say she had heard of Zanny right away?

Cindy said she had heard of Zanny for a long time. George first learned of the name Zanny the day they took the car back to the house from Johnson's, when Cindy told him Zanny had taken Caylee. In Lee's depo, he said he'd never heard of Zanny prior to this.

The only sticker here for me is that Richard Grund said he'd heard the name Zanny before -- but remember Casey came up with a "nanny" when Richard told her he couldn't watch Caylee all the time anymore, Casey had to make other arrangements. So Casey suddenly had a nanny. Perhaps she was using the "Zanny the Nanny" name from the children's book (either called that, or Zanny is a character in it???).

I could see Casey making up a "nanny" when Richard said he couldn't take care of Caylee all the time--Casey couldn't have just a babysitter, after all. She may have grabbed onto the name Zanny the Nanny from the book ???

Otherwise, I can't figure out how Richard Grund had heard the name and neither George or Lee had. A puzzle.

[summer]

Cindy said she had heard of Zanny for a long time. George first learned of the name Zanny the day they took the car back to the house from Johnson's, when Cindy told him Zanny had taken Caylee. In Lee's depo, he said he'd never heard of Zanny prior to this.

The only sticker here for me is that Richard Grund said he'd heard the name Zanny before -- but remember Casey came up with a "nanny" when Richard told her he couldn't watch Caylee all the time anymore, Casey had to make other arrangements. So Casey suddenly had a nanny. Perhaps she was using the "Zanny the Nanny" name from the children's book (either called that, or Zanny is a character in it???).

I could see Casey making up a "nanny" when Richard said he couldn't take care of Caylee all the time--Casey couldn't have just a babysitter, after all. She may have grabbed onto the name Zanny the Nanny from the book ???

Otherwise, I can't figure out how Richard Grund had heard the name and neither George or Lee had. A puzzle.

Hey crimeq, but then again didn't George say at some point that when he asked Caylee about Zanny she had no reaction? Gee you think he's been lying again?

[summer]

does anyone know when there will be another hearing in casey case? I guess cindy and george will not be on a show until they need more money. jmho:wub:

Martha, I think people like this always need and want more money. IMO they'd book themselves into a show every day if they could control the questioning....

[summer]

Or maybe he asked her about *Zany* and that's why she didn't respond! Yah, that's the ticket!

[crimeq]

Someone please correct me if I am wrong but, I truly remember her saying in and interview that she had this "supposed" sticky note in her address book and that the only explaination for it being missing is that LE took it in the search, but that they [LE] lost/destroyed it as they claim to have never seen such a note...I swear I heard her say that...does anyone remember this? I remember it because I thought yeah right...you all of a sudden remember this note but LE must have lost it. I remember rolling my eyes on that one. It was one of those in your face impromtu news blips of her standing outside their house or outside the courthouse.

Anyone remember this...can we find a link?

What I recall is that the big black officer (who seemed to be the one in charge, according to Cindy) asked if she had Zanny's contact info. She said yes, went to get her address book. She had a post-it with Zanny's address and phone number filed under Z. Zanny's name wasn't on the post-it -- Zanny was the only Z she had, so she knew that post-it was for Zanny. She took the post-it out of her address book and gave it to the officer. End of story.

Then I recall another story about the address book -- she told someone? FBI? or LE? that she had given her entire address book to the other (either FBI or LE, the opposite of whoever was questioning her). End of story.

[need2no]

does anyone know when there will be another hearing in casey case? I guess cindy and george will not be on a show until they need more money. jmho:wub:

Martha maybe the Anthony's are currently spending a lot of their time scouring the message boards to see what people are picking up as discrepancies from their State depos. They are possibly even taking notes, you know how Cindy likes to keep her 'notebook' on the case. Then maybe the Anthony's will sit down and try to 'clean up' their stories as much as possible in preparation for the trial, or any future interviews with LE. Or maybe they are just sitting back laughing about how their game plan of muddying the water is working so well....or so they think.

[SayItAgain]

I wish there was an applause icon - this post is PERFECTION! I could have bolded the entire post! You really have the Anthony's number down pat, Say - especially so in the part I bolded. I believe that is EXACTLY how it goes with both Cindy and Casey.

I also wanted to tell you that one of your posts last night had me thinking a long time.....the part where you mentioned how "Cindy was the worst possible mother for someone with sociopathic tendencies".....this is something that I have never thought about before - but oh, HOW TRUE!! Brilliant! There probably ARE good/bad combos as you mentioned. Good food for thought! :wub:

imo

eta - Too bad Megyn Kelly was the ONLY person with the fortitude and guts to do the second part I bolded in your post!

Thanks, MN1. I'm :blushing:

I love Megyn Kelly. She had a baby just about a month ago: http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/fnc/megyn_kelly_gives_birth_to_baby_boy_136862.asp. I bet she'd be even more assertive with Cindy if she did that interview today!

Re Cindy being the worst possible mother to a sociopath -- I wouldn't choose Cindy to mother anyone, honestly, but I think she stoked Casey's fire. When you have a kid with the potential to be a really bad person and you role model lying, manipulation, jealousy, arrogance and narcissism for her, well ... good luck with that.

[martha]

Martha, I think people like this always need and want more money. IMO they'd book themselves into a show every day if they could control the questioning....You or so right with them now it is all about the money. I sure they will be making money of Little Caylee long after the trial is over. I wish they could not make another dime of off this but I know they will. As long as Casey sit in jail that is one good thing. I really don;t care anything about seeing cindy and george anymore on the tv but I am sure they will be there telling their lies. I sure don;t like to look at casey.She looks more evil everytime I see her.jmho:wub:

[need2no]

What I recall is that the big black officer (who seemed to be the one in charge, according to Cindy) asked if she had Zanny's contact info. She said yes, went to get her address book. She had a post-it with Zanny's address and phone number filed under Z. Zanny's name wasn't on the post-it -- Zanny was the only Z she had, so she knew that post-it was for Zanny. She took the post-it out of her address book and gave it to the officer. End of story.

Then I recall another story about the address book -- she told someone? FBI? or LE? that she had given her entire address book to the other (either FBI or LE, the opposite of whoever was questioning her). End of story.

BBM

Darn, you are right, I had forgotten about her interview where she claims she turned her address book over to one of the investigating agencies. Of course the address book she turned over could have been missing the post it note since she gave it to the commander. :rolleyes:

[crimeq]

Hey crimeq, but then again didn't George say at some point that when he asked Caylee about Zanny she had no reaction? Gee you think he's been lying again?

hmmm, Summer, you're right. Sheesh. They all lie so much ....

[SayItAgain]

Do you think she will ever acknowledge any kind of defeat or will her ego allow it?

Not as long as people continue to soft peddle with her and allow her to play her word games and use her other *techniques* which cause people to back off or give up.

I don't know that she'd ever admit defeat no matter how good the questioner was, but I do think it would be very easy to get her riled up so she shows more of her real self -- the really ugly side. I think I could get her there pretty quickly. :sneaky:

[SayItAgain]

Or maybe he asked her about *Zany* and that's why she didn't respond! Yah, that's the ticket!

Oh, I could easily see that, summer. :rolleyes:

[Holden]

sooo... can anyone recall seeing the sticky note with zanny's address/phone no. among the discovery documents that have been released?
(i ask because i haven't gone over everything with a fine tooth comb, so i may have misssed if it was released)

Ahhhh! Very interesting. Don't you think we would have seen such a note? It's VERY important, especially if you are cindy. It says whether or not she is a liar. OOOPPPSSS! I think we have our answer here. Didn't Amy testify that cindy had never even heard the name Zanny during one of the early-on 'friends' meetings? I think so. ZFG didn't exist then, doesn't exist now. cindy, very much like her daughter, the murderer, is a liar.

[need2no]

I'm going to take a wild guess the man in this photo is Commander Michael Irwin, but no, lol, I don't believe Cindy gave him the post it note with Zanny's information. :tongueside:


http://www.picupine.com/edeb227x

[Lyndawitha"Y]

sooo... can anyone recall seeing the sticky note with zanny's address/phone no. among the discovery documents that have been released?
(i ask because i haven't gone over everything with a fine tooth comb, so i may have misssed if it was released)

I have been reading the last two pages about some post-it note Cindy had of Zanny's phone number and address...I find if that was indeed true..why Cindy did not try to contact our Zanny during that month that Casey kept Caylee away from Grandmaw...I did hear that Casey kept giving excuses..like she was with Zanny..at the beach etc....Now..I have to ask..IF Cindy had that information..why the heck didnt she just call that number or go over to that address???.....I dont believe there was even any known postit with addresses or phone numbers on it...Just another ruse...and abunch of lies...This whole case makes me crazy..not to mention may of the "Players"..!!

Sorry, folks just have to ask why didnt Cindy contact this Nanny..but instead made "Facebook" remarks and made nasty comments to Casey's friends.....Ohhhh that is until they realized Casey was in LE custody, and Caylee was missing like forever!!..

LMS

[Lavinya]

Not as long as people continue to soft peddle with her and allow her to play her word games and use her other *techniques* which cause people to back off or give up.

I don't know that she'd ever admit defeat no matter how good the questioner was, but I do think it would be very easy to get her riled up so she shows more of her real self -- the really ugly side. I think I could get her there pretty quickly. :sneaky:

Ohhh, I'll give you a dollar! :laugh:

[Holden]

I have been reading the last two pages about some post-it note Cindy had of Zanny's phone number and address...I find if that was indeed true..why Cindy did not try to contact our Zanny during that month that Casey kept Caylee away from Grandmaw...I did hear that Casey kept giving excuses..like she was with Zanny..at the beach etc....Now..I have to ask..IF Cindy had that information..why the heck didnt she just call that number or go over to that address???.....I dont believe there was even any known postit with addresses or phone numbers on it...Just another ruse...and abunch of lies...This whole case makes me crazy..not to mention may of the "Players"..!!

Sorry, folks just have to ask why didnt Cindy contact this Nanny..but instead made "Facebook" remarks and made nasty comments to Casey's friends.....Ohhhh that is until they realized Casey was in LE custody, and Caylee was missing like forever!!..

LMS

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[MiamiNice1]

Thanks, MN1. I'm :blushing:

I love Megyn Kelly. She had a baby just about a month ago: http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/fnc/megyn_kelly_gives_birth_to_baby_boy_136862.asp. I bet she'd be even more assertive with Cindy if she did that interview today!

Re Cindy being the worst possible mother to a sociopath -- I wouldn't choose Cindy to mother anyone, honestly, but I think she stoked Casey's fire. When you have a kid with the potential to be a really bad person and you role model lying, manipulation, jealousy, arrogance and narcissism for her, well ... good luck with that.
Makes perfect sense and I'm glad you brought this aspect to the fore - it is certainly an interesting angle!

Thanks for the Megyn Kelly news - I had no idea she had given birth. She is so beautiful - she should work on having girls! :biggrin:

[Pruddennce]

Pru I'm curious about the carseat too. Is the carseat found in casey's car the one she left in there, or did Cindy replace it with the one from her truck, or even another one she may have had at the house? Or did Cindy just replace the carseat cover on casey's carseat because the one that was on there was *stained* with 'something'? :crying: I recall Cindy saying she looked under the carseat in casey's car-strange. Did Cindy locate Caylee's missing tooth in or under that carseat? Was there blood from the tooth being 'knocked out'? She also got emotional briefly during the depo when talking about the carseat-why when she can talk about so many other heartbreaking aspects regarding Caylee without any emotion?

Did George haul away Caylee's carseat, and/or carseat cover (the one from casey's car), in the cooler he was seen driving away from the house with early in this case? Does anyone recall the date George left the house with the BIG cooler. Still annoys me someone didn't follow him that day.

yes, its unusual to just lift the carseat up? isnt it secured there pretty snug for safety purposes? why not just take it out. which is my point :)

and as you pointed out, all of a sudden she is getting 'emotional' when she has to talk about the carseat. her house is a shrine, they are supposedly wearing her ashes, they are displaying the DEATH CERTIFICATE...and does anyone know if the yard has been cleared of Caylee's toys and playhouse? or anything for that matter in the home relating to Caylee?

if they are looking at all of Caylee's belongings, daily, right down to a sippy cup, why on earth does a carseat affect her?

I agree with you. she found something. leaving the carseat in the car when they already disabled the car by taking the battery out, removed other things as well because they had an odor, doesnt make sense to leave it in there. IMO, she swapped the seats, thinking that her seat might get the smell temporarily, and it would solve the problem of 'what she saw on and/or under the seat.

Im wondering if LE tested the seat and found that the smell wasnt permeated into the fabric like the rest of the car was. that would, IMO, infer it was recently placed there.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

[Pruddennce]

Martha maybe the Anthony's are currently spending a lot of their time scouring the message boards to see what people are picking up as discrepancies from their State depos. They are possibly even taking notes, you know how Cindy likes to keep her 'notebook' on the case. Then maybe the Anthony's will sit down and try to 'clean up' their stories as much as possible in preparation for the trial, or any future interviews with LE. Or maybe they are just sitting back laughing about how their game plan of muddying the water is working so well....or so they think.

need, it will be impossible to clean up their stories, impossible task. its lie upon lie, layering and layering....

Cindy and George were not only NOT on the same page regarding the morning of June 16th, they were in totally different books altogether.

George changed his story in the state's deposition by saying Cindy saw Caylee that morning. *I KNOW SHE SAW CINDY JUST BEFORE SHE LEFT* (meaning Caylee). He states: Caylee got up at 7:30-8am, that they both gave Caylee cereal and juice, and made more coffee.


page 150
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310228/detail.html

Cindy: NOPE, didnt see her. page 93

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html


bear in mind, this is the LAST TIME they supposedly saw their granddaughter. one says YES WE BOTH WERE WITH HER ON JUNE 16th, the other says, oh no, I didnt see her. in fact, Cindy says she left a half hour-45 minutes earlier than NORMAL.

has the state obtained the GJ testimony yet? I might have missed info about that.....

the anthonys are beyond cleaning up their act. the state's depositions have proven that.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[need2no]

yes, its unusual to just lift the carseat up? isnt it secured there pretty snug for safety purposes? why not just take it out. which is my point :)

and as you pointed out, all of a sudden she is getting 'emotional' when she has to talk about the carseat. her house is a shrine, they are supposedly wearing her ashes, they are displaying the DEATH CERTIFICATE...and does anyone know if the yard has been cleared of Caylee's toys and playhouse? or anything for that matter in the home relating to Caylee?

if they are looking at all of Caylee's belongings, daily, right down to a sippy cup, why on earth does a carseat affect her?

I agree with you. she found something. leaving the carseat in the car when they already disabled the car by taking the battery out, removed other things as well because they had an odor, doesnt make sense to leave it in there. IMO, she swapped the seats, thinking that her seat might get the smell temporarily, and it would solve the problem of 'what she saw on and/or under the seat.

Im wondering if LE tested the seat and found that the smell wasnt permeated into the fabric like the rest of the car was. that would, IMO, infer it was recently placed there.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*


ITA with all of the above, we are on the same page Pru.

However, I never thought about Cindy trying to give the other carseat time to absorb the odor, but that makes perfect sense to me, and probably was what happened, and Cindy's devious plan.

I swear it does seem there is some little tid bit of truth in things Cindy brings up, often when she could have kept something to herself but instead she lays it out there...maybe COG kicking in. For instance saying Caylee had more teeth than LE located...which makes me wonder if she found a tooth or two in the car.

I hope LE removed the carseat shortly after they took the car since I have no idea how long it would take to absorb the odor.

[need2no]

need, it will be impossible to clean up their stories, impossible task. its lie upon lie, layering and layering....

Cindy and George were not only NOT on the same page regarding the morning of June 16th, they were in totally different books altogether.

George changed his story in the state's deposition by saying Cindy saw Caylee that morning. *I KNOW SHE SAW CINDY JUST BEFORE SHE LEFT* (meaning Caylee). He states: Caylee got up at 7:30-8am, that they both gave Caylee cereal and juice, and made more coffee.


page 150
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310228/detail.html

Cindy: NOPE, didnt see her. page 93

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html


bear in mind, this is the LAST TIME they supposedly saw their granddaughter. one says YES WE BOTH WERE WITH HER ON JUNE 16th, the other says, oh no, I didnt see her. in fact, Cindy says she left a half hour-45 minutes earlier than NORMAL.

has the state obtained the GJ testimony yet? I might have missed info about that.....

the anthonys are beyond cleaning up their act. the state's depositions have proven that.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Again, ITA with you. Yes, we see it clearly, but do the Anthony's even realize all their countless discrepancies?

Sometimes I'm convinced they are confused because they have lied so much and can't possibly keep up with all the lies. Still other times I think they are doing this to purposely complicate the prosecutor's case, and still other times I wonder if they are trying to help convict casey while publicly stating they believe and support her.

Also interesting how George initially seemed to forget something as important as having breakfast with Caylee the last time he ever saw her alive, but then miraculously later recalled this little detail.:rolleyes: Maybe he remembered this 'detail' when people started posting online wondering why Caylee didn't get up until 12:50, and didn't eat something before heading off for the day.

[gaelicpeas]

Again, ITA with you. Yes, we see it clearly, but do the Anthony's even realize all their countless discrepancies?

Sometimes I'm convinced they are confused because they have lied so much and can't possibly keep up with all the lies. Still other times I think they are doing this to purposely complicate the prosecutor's case, and still other times I wonder if they are trying to help convict casey while publicly stating they believe and support her.

Also interesting how George initially seemed to forget something as important as having breakfast with Caylee the last time he ever saw her alive, but then miraculously later recalled this little detail.:rolleyes: Maybe he remembered this 'detail' when people started posting online wondering why Caylee didn't get up until 12:50, and didn't eat something before heading off for the day.IMO, this family is lying about so much it is difficult to figure out WHO is the bad person. Obviously, Casey is in jail for the charges. But are CA and GA lying to protect Casey, or are they lying to protect themselves, or are they lying to insure that Casey goes away forever? This family is bonkers, IMO....

[need2no]

IMO, this family is lying about so much it is difficult to figure out WHO is the bad person. Obviously, Casey is in jail for the charges. But are CA and GA lying to protect Casey, or are they lying to protect themselves, or are they lying to insure that Casey goes away forever? This family is bonkers, IMO....

Therein lies the mystery IMO. Perhaps this is what 48 Hours and other shows should focus on for future programs about this case. This is a mystery...we already know who killed Caylee.

[Heyes]

IMO, this family is lying about so much it is difficult to figure out WHO is the bad person. Obviously, Casey is in jail for the charges. But are CA and GA lying to protect Casey, or are they lying to protect themselves, or are they lying to insure that Casey goes away forever? This family is bonkers, IMO....

My opinion is, not only are they trying to get Casey out of jail but they're lying their butts off trying to keep themselves out of jail. Go back to the very beginning. After driving home the death car, what was the first thing they did? They looked in the backyard... Under the playhouse. Cindy made a huge deal how her backyard had been cleared. Nothing there. Dogs are wrong. The only thing this screams to
me is, They thought Caylee was still in the backyard until they smelled that car. I feel they knew she was back there and Casey moving her shocked them. Nothing else left to do but clean that car. Fortunately, that's a smell that can't be cleaned with household cleaners and fabreeze. When Cindy made that last 911 call she knew she had
to. Acknowledge the smell. Police were on the way. Otherwise it would have been a missing child call first, not stolen car, money then child. Oh they knew. They knew!
IMO

[need2no]

My opinion is, not only are they trying to get Casey out of jail but they're lying their butts off trying to keep themselves out of jail. Go back to the very beginning. After driving home the death car, what was the first thing they did? They looked in the backyard... Under the playhouse. Cindy made a huge deal how her backyard had been cleared. Nothing there. Dogs are wrong. The only thing this screams to
me is, They thought Caylee was still in the backyard until they smelled that car. I feel they knew she was back there and Casey moving her shocked them. Nothing else left to do but clean that car. Fortunately, that's a smell that can't be cleaned with household cleaners and fabreeze. When Cindy made that last 911 call she knew she had
to. Acknowledge the smell. Police were on the way. Otherwise it would have been a missing child call first, not stolen car, money then child. Oh they knew. They knew!
IMO

This has been my belief since the beginning Heyes...it would explain a lot of things including their outrageous behavior. I've also wondered if Lee advised casey to move the body from the backyard.

The thing that puzzled me was the 911 call where Cindy was saying I gave you 31 days and threatening to take Caylee.... unless she knew (thanks to George's former career), that the call would be recorded from the moment 911 picked up, and this was all part of their plan.

casey is in a predicament...she can't throw them under the bus unless she is willing to admit she killed Caylee, and they know it. So...they publicly pretend to support her, knowing full well she isn't likely to say anything, and as time goes on they may be getting a bit over confident that casey will continue to keep her mouth shut. Sometimes people cut off their nose to spite their face, and casey might just do this one day. Cindy and George best hope Baez can continue to convince casey she will get out of this and walk free.

[seeing_eye]

IMO, this family is lying about so much it is difficult to figure out WHO is the bad person. Obviously, Casey is in jail for the charges. But are CA and GA lying to protect Casey, or are they lying to protect themselves, or are they lying to insure that Casey goes away forever? This family is bonkers, IMO....

Peas, it is kind of hard to figure this out. Sure, we know Casey is the one who killed Caylee, but the motive of the rest of the Anthonys is not so clear. If they're actually trying to save Casey's butt as they claim to be doing, their antics and lies are really doing just the opposite. It appears to me that the shenanigans of the Anthonys are what will ensure Casey's guilt. They're actually destroying any "reasonable doubt" for any potential jurors. I'm really puzzled about this!

[Heyes]

Riddle me this.... Why did Cindy make these calls? All the hunting down Casey was to find Caylee. Cindy's only concern was to
find Caylee. One call should have done it. ** My grandaughter is missing! The car smells like death! My daughter is talking nanny and kidnap. HELP. Why did Casey ask, why do they want to talk to me? Calm as a cucumber. Seems to me she had one over on mom.
Sooo many questions but G & C looking in their backyard stinks and, IMO there's something there.

[Irestmycase]

Would someone please explain about the car seat? I don't understand why Cindy would switch them and what that proves. I'm thick headed tonight.
Thanks

[gaelicpeas]

My opinion is, not only are they trying to get Casey out of jail but they're lying their butts off trying to keep themselves out of jail. Go back to the very beginning. After driving home the death car, what was the first thing they did? They looked in the backyard... Under the playhouse. Cindy made a huge deal how her backyard had been cleared. Nothing there. Dogs are wrong. The only thing this screams to
me is, They thought Caylee was still in the backyard until they smelled that car. I feel they knew she was back there and Casey moving her shocked them. Nothing else left to do but clean that car. Fortunately, that's a smell that can't be cleaned with household cleaners and fabreeze. When Cindy made that last 911 call she knew she had
to. Acknowledge the smell. Police were on the way. Otherwise it would have been a missing child call first, not stolen car, money then child. Oh they knew. They knew!
IMO
Great post, Heyes. Yes, I agree they knew. I came into this case from "day 1" (sic) thinking Cindy was Mother Dearest.

Yes, they knew.

[gaelicpeas]

This has been my belief since the beginning Heyes...it would explain a lot of things including their outrageous behavior. I've also wondered if Lee advised casey to move the body from the backyard.

The thing that puzzled me was the 911 call where Cindy was saying I gave you 31 days and threatening to take Caylee.... unless she knew (thanks to George's former career), that the call would be recorded from the moment 911 picked up, and this was all part of their plan.

casey is in a predicament...she can't throw them under the bus unless she is willing to admit she killed Caylee, and they know it. So...they publicly pretend to support her, knowing full well she isn't likely to say anything, and as time goes on they may be getting a bit over confident that casey will continue to keep her mouth shut. Sometimes people cut off their nose to spite their face, and casey might just do this one day. Cindy and George best hope Baez can continue to convince casey she will get out of this and walk free.Great post, n2n!

[gaelicpeas]

Peas, it is kind of hard to figure this out. Sure, we know Casey is the one who killed Caylee, but the motive of the rest of the Anthonys is not so clear. If they're actually trying to save Casey's butt as they claim to be doing, their antics and lies are really doing just the opposite. It appears to me that the shenanigans of the Anthonys are what will ensure Casey's guilt. They're actually destroying any "reasonable doubt" for any potential jurors. I'm really puzzled about this!
Well, the only theory that would make that scenario make sense is if this was staged... or CA or GA were complicit in the murder.

Nothing else seems to fit their actions, IMO.

[gaelicpeas]

Riddle me this.... Why did Cindy make these calls? All the hunting down Casey was to find Caylee. Cindy's only concern was to
find Caylee. One call should have done it. ** My grandaughter is missing! The car smells like death! My daughter is talking nanny and kidnap. HELP. Why did Casey ask, why do they want to talk to me? Calm as a cucumber. Seems to me she had one over on mom.
Sooo many questions but G & C looking in their backyard stinks and, IMO there's something there.
ITA.... something ain't right.

[gaelicpeas]

Would someone please explain about the car seat? I don't understand why Cindy would switch them and what that proves. I'm thick headed tonight.
ThanksIt may be that someone switched or altered the carseat. There are recent pics that show the carseat looking very different from the carseat in the evidence pic.

[Jester]

yes, its unusual to just lift the carseat up? isnt it secured there pretty snug for safety purposes? why not just take it out. which is my point :)

and as you pointed out, all of a sudden she is getting 'emotional' when she has to talk about the carseat. her house is a shrine, they are supposedly wearing her ashes, they are displaying the DEATH CERTIFICATE...and does anyone know if the yard has been cleared of Caylee's toys and playhouse? or anything for that matter in the home relating to Caylee?

if they are looking at all of Caylee's belongings, daily, right down to a sippy cup, why on earth does a carseat affect her?

I agree with you. she found something. leaving the carseat in the car when they already disabled the car by taking the battery out, removed other things as well because they had an odor, doesnt make sense to leave it in there. IMO, she swapped the seats, thinking that her seat might get the smell temporarily, and it would solve the problem of 'what she saw on and/or under the seat.

Im wondering if LE tested the seat and found that the smell wasnt permeated into the fabric like the rest of the car was. that would, IMO, infer it was recently placed there.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

I just had a look on google street view to see if I could see the back yard, but I couldn't get the image to come up. From the google satellite map, it looks like the play house may be gone, but it's close to the fence so maybe lost in the shadows.

[Irestmycase]

It may be that someone switched or altered the carseat. There are recent pics that show the carseat looking very different from the carseat in the evidence pic.

Thank you for answering. But what does that mean if they were switched?

[Lexi]

Thank you for answering. But what does that mean if they were switched?

I don't understand that one either! I would think the only difference between two carseats in a murder trial would be that one had a horrible smell and one didn't. Am I right........or is there more I am missing?

[need2no]

I don't understand that one either! I would think the only difference between two carseats in a murder trial would be that one had a horrible smell and one didn't. Am I right........or is there more I am missing?

The carseat casey kept in her car would have been the last carseat Caylee sat in. As far as we know a cause of death has not been determined. It is possible she died in her carseat. If Caylee was killed while sitting in her carseat, or put in it after death, there may have been some evidence left on the carseat, and/or the carseat cover. The carseat may have been switched to hide evidence.

[Jester]

The carseat casey kept in her car would have been the last carseat Caylee sat in. As far as we know a cause of death has not been determined. It is possible she died in her carseat. If Caylee was killed while sitting in her carseat, or put in it after death, there may have been some evidence left on the carseat, and/or the carseat cover. The carseat may have been switched to hide evidence.

Okay, I'm becoming a lot more interested in the car seat now. So the original carseat, one that Cindy apparently knows nothing about except she paid for it, went to the attic? Another car seat appeared in it's place, or it just disappeared? It sounds like another one appeared in it's place.

I think you're right. If the car seat was replaced, it was for a good reason ... something more serious than the smell of death in the car. I haven't read the depositions, but I understand that the police were interested in the car seat. Is that correct? More specifically, if the car seat was switched out, police want to know why. If this is true, it falls into the same category as the missing winnie the pooh blanket ... as evidence that Cindy tried to hide, hoping no one would notice, until police independently uncovered the evidence.

[AnnieKins]

yes, its unusual to just lift the carseat up? isnt it secured there pretty snug for safety purposes? why not just take it out. which is my point :)

and as you pointed out, all of a sudden she is getting 'emotional' when she has to talk about the carseat. her house is a shrine, they are supposedly wearing her ashes, they are displaying the DEATH CERTIFICATE...and does anyone know if the yard has been cleared of Caylee's toys and playhouse? or anything for that matter in the home relating to Caylee?

if they are looking at all of Caylee's belongings, daily, right down to a sippy cup, why on earth does a carseat affect her?

I agree with you. she found something. leaving the carseat in the car when they already disabled the car by taking the battery out, removed other things as well because they had an odor, doesnt make sense to leave it in there. IMO, she swapped the seats, thinking that her seat might get the smell temporarily, and it would solve the problem of 'what she saw on and/or under the seat.

Im wondering if LE tested the seat and found that the smell wasnt permeated into the fabric like the rest of the car was. that would, IMO, infer it was recently placed there.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

Thank you for posting this Pru. I didn't get it and now I do. :ohmy:

[Jester]

Thank you for posting this Pru. I didn't get it and now I do. :ohmy:

I don't want to go off on a tangent, or put anything out there that isn't confirmable ... but ... if Cindy swapped out the car seats, then it's quite possible it was because Caylee died in the carseat, and there was evidence of something on the carseat ... like chloroform, vomit, or something else that identified the murder scene and implicated Casey.

[Explorer]

Hi everyone
Do you know when Casey Anthony said "they havent even found her clothes yet" have anything to do with the photo of the Globe paper? Is there a connection there?

[Explorer]

I know why casey anthony killed Caylee. Its because Caylee looks exactly like cindy anthony. Everytime casey anthony looked at Caylee she saw cindy. Such hatred for cindy no doubt. Cant say I blame her cindy anthony is a mess.

[Explorer]

Hey can I get a little feedback here:mad:

[Explorer]

OK fine Im leavin but ill be back:closedeyes:

[Jester]

Hi everyone
Do you know when Casey Anthony said "they havent even found her clothes yet" have anything to do with the photo of the Globe paper? Is there a connection there?

She said that to the bounty hunter in the car ... according to Padilla.

[Jester]

I know why casey anthony killed Caylee. Its because Caylee looks exactly like cindy anthony. Everytime casey anthony looked at Caylee she saw cindy. Such hatred for cindy no doubt. Cant say I blame her cindy anthony is a mess.

Actually, I would disagree completely. Caylee looked nothing like her mother or her grandmother. Caylee had a square jaw like her grandfather (no info on the father), and Casey seems to have a narrow, oval shaped face ... and her grandmother Cindy also has an oval shaped face ... Caylee, on the other hand, had an honest broad expression that would not fit into an oval shaped face.

[Jester]

Hey can I get a little feedback here:mad:

No

But you already knew that.

Feedback about what ... that Caylee looked like Cindy? That feedback is ...

[Jester]

OK fine Im leavin but ill be back:closedeyes:

Please, before you come back ... could you please sort out whether Caylee looks just like her mother and grand mother, or whether she had a square jaw.

Cheers ...

:closedeyes:

[Irestmycase]

The carseat casey kept in her car would have been the last carseat Caylee sat in. As far as we know a cause of death has not been determined. It is possible she died in her carseat. If Caylee was killed while sitting in her carseat, or put in it after death, there may have been some evidence left on the carseat, and/or the carseat cover. The carseat may have been switched to hide evidence.

Ok Now I get it.Thanks for clearing that up. I guess I will have to try and put myself in Cindy Anthony's mind (scary thought) to decipher some of this.

[Patty437]

She doesn't look like any of them to me........must look like "invisidaddy"

[Duke]

Good morning everyone,

Yesterday looked slow on the boards. I am going to catch up and read today. I only have Lee's stuff left.

Happy Sunday!!


Duke

[Patty437]

The othery day I was listening to Casey riding in the car with cops on the way to jail in aug 08, and she actually had the gaul to deride the police for not issuing an Amber alert. I know G&C have done the same thing. I'm sure the detective was biting his tongue but he just let her ramble on.

[Duke]

Pru I'm curious about the carseat too. Is the carseat found in casey's car the one she left in there, or did Cindy replace it with the one from her truck, or even another one she may have had at the house? Or did Cindy just replace the carseat cover on casey's carseat because the one that was on there was *stained* with 'something'? :crying: I recall Cindy saying she looked under the carseat in casey's car-strange. Did Cindy locate Caylee's missing tooth in or under that carseat? Was there blood from the tooth being 'knocked out'? She also got emotional briefly during the depo when talking about the carseat-why when she can talk about so many other heartbreaking aspects regarding Caylee without any emotion?

Did George haul away Caylee's carseat, and/or carseat cover (the one from casey's car), in the cooler he was seen driving away from the house with early in this case? Does anyone recall the date George left the house with the BIG cooler. Still annoys me someone didn't follow him that day.


I have been reading and trying to catch up but need2no stuck another cord with me that I keep seeing on and on with the Anthony's. How does Cindy remember the most intricate details but can't remember anything when she is asked questions? Something smells fishy:sneaky: and I am not out at the lake.

[Duke]

Hey can I get a little feedback here:mad:

LOL, you R :loveeyes: loved here on the boards. Please do come back cuz I enjoy the posts!

[Scampi]

Good morning everyone. I see many of us have questions about the car seat, so do we think LE went back and got the car seat from the attic that cynthia claims is the one from the Forerunner?

[Duke]

No

But you already knew that.

Feedback about what ... that Caylee looked like Cindy? That feedback is ...

Oh my:scared:

Let's not rumble today unless we all want to wear new outfits:tonguewag:

I really think Cindy is believing all her lies. If you live it then you become it.

[Heyes]

Good morning everyone,

Yesterday looked slow on the boards. I am going to catch up and read today. I only have Lee's stuff left.

Happy Sunday!!


Duke

Lee's? It's a tough read because of the duh/um/ya know/laughter, factor. If you ever had questions about how intelligent Lee is......this should answer all your questions. If the circumstances surrounding this interview wasn't so grim, it would be hysterical. I can't believe after reading this that cindy thinks he's so flipping gifted. Detective middlefinger may just be in the car parking business for the rest of his life. Unbelievable!

[Duke]

I don't want to go off on a tangent, or put anything out there that isn't confirmable ... but ... if Cindy swapped out the car seats, then it's quite possible it was because Caylee died in the carseat, and there was evidence of something on the carseat ... like chloroform, vomit, or something else that identified the murder scene and implicated Casey.


Possible and I can see this as something that may have happened. It is such a mystery and I guess we MAY find out at the trial. Lies, lies and lies. Nothing is based on truths in this case.

[Explorer]

LOL, you R :loveeyes: loved here on the boards. Please do come back cuz I enjoy the posts!

Hi Duke and thanks:biggrin:

I was a little fuzzy on some developements. First about the picture of Caylee with the shirt that she was found in on the cover of THE GLOBE. Did casey anthony dress her in that and then murder her? The other anthonys denied ever seeing that shirt but SOMEONE gave it to The Globe. Any thoughts anyone?

[Ladygator]

Lee's? It's a tough read because of the duh/um/ya know/laughter, factor. If you ever had questions about how intelligent Lee is......this should answer all your questions. If the circumstances surrounding this interview wasn't so grim, it would be hysterical. I can't believe after reading this that cindy thinks he's so flipping gifted. Detective middlefinger may just be in the car parking business for the rest of his life. Unbelievable!

Cindy says Lee is gifted but overall, the better student, between the siblings, is Casey.:tongue:

She has to be best at everything, ya know?

ITA with your assessment of Lee's interview. He's like this in ALL of them. With the inappropriate laughter getting to me the worst.

[Patty437]

Hi Duke and thanks:biggrin:

I was a little fuzzy on some developements. First about the picture of Caylee with the shirt that she was found in on the cover of THE GLOBE. Did casey anthony dress her in that and then murder her? The other anthonys denied ever seeing that shirt but SOMEONE gave it to The Globe. Any thoughts anyone?

I read on Marinade Dave's site it was Ricardo Morales

[Heyes]

Hi Duke and thanks:biggrin:

I was a little fuzzy on some developements. First about the picture of Caylee with the shirt that she was found in on the cover of THE GLOBE. Did casey anthony dress her in that and then murder her? The other anthonys denied ever seeing that shirt but SOMEONE gave it to The Globe. Any thoughts anyone?

I have a thought...if the anthonys denied ever seeing it, then that means the anthonys bought the shirt and have seen it, washed it, dried it and put it away. Think opposite of what they say! That's become my motto! :biggrin:

[Explorer]

I read on Marinade Dave's site it was Ricardo Morales

So Ricardo took the pic and gave it to The Globe?

[Duke]

Lee's? It's a tough read because of the duh/um/ya know/laughter, factor. If you ever had questions about how intelligent Lee is......this should answer all your questions. If the circumstances surrounding this interview wasn't so grim, it would be hysterical. I can't believe after reading this that cindy thinks he's so flipping gifted. Detective middlefinger may just be in the car parking business for the rest of his life. Unbelievable!

I am reading it and trying not to get a headache:smile:

[Patty437]

So Ricardo took the pic and gave it to The Globe?

allegedly "sold" it to the Globe.

[Heyes]

Cindy says Lee is gifted but overall, the better student, between the siblings, is Casey.:tongue:

She has to be best at everything, ya know?

ITA with your assessment of Lee's interview. He's like this in ALL of them. With the inappropriate laughter getting to me the worst.

Yup the laughter and the big three syllable words he loves to use that have absolutely nothing to do with the sentence he's shoving them into. But because he uses them, cindy thinks he's gifted. LOL

[Explorer]

I have a thought...if the anthonys denied ever seeing it, then that means the anthonys bought the shirt and have seen it, washed it, dried it and put it away. Think opposite of what they say! That's become my motto! :biggrin:

I also wonder if the shirt was bought from the store like that or was it homemade with the lettering.

[Explorer]

allegedly "sold" it to the Globe.

Thanks that clears things up. I thought the anthonys sold it to the globe which would have meant they DID have knowledge of the shirt.

[Heyes]

I am reading it and trying not to get a headache:smile:

passing Duke the excedrin and can I get you a drink? lol

[Duke]

Hi Duke and thanks:biggrin:

I was a little fuzzy on some developements. First about the picture of Caylee with the shirt that she was found in on the cover of THE GLOBE. Did casey anthony dress her in that and then murder her? The other anthonys denied ever seeing that shirt but SOMEONE gave it to The Globe. Any thoughts anyone?


U R :thumbup:

IMO, how in the world does anyone not know what your babe (grandparents or Mum) wears? If there is a kid within any household then we ALL do laundry. How would anyone not know of this top that Caylee was wearing?

My mind does not go that far to imagine that KC dressed her up and then did the act. Someone is lying here.

[Duke]

I have a thought...if the anthonys denied ever seeing it, then that means the anthonys bought the shirt and have seen it, washed it, dried it and put it away. Think opposite of what they say! That's become my motto! :biggrin:

I was thinking the same thing later down the thread. I guess i owe you a coke! Unless you want it diet:tongueside:

[Explorer]

U R :thumbup:

IMO, how in the world does anyone not know what your babe (grandparents or Mum) wears? If there is a kid within any household then we ALL do laundry. How would anyone not know of this top that Caylee was wearing?

My mind does not go that far to imagine that KC dressed her up and then did the act. Someone is lying here.

I think they know of the shirt cindy anthony probably knows about EVERYTHING in that house down to the dust bunnies. She strikes me as obsessive/compulsive.

By the way I like your sunglasses are they Juicy Coutour by chance?:biggrin:

[Heyes]

I was thinking the same thing later down the thread. I guess i owe you a coke! Unless you want it diet:tongueside:
Diet? Nevah! I must maintain my FLB healthy look! :tonguewag:

[Pruddennce]

Good morning everyone. I see many of us have questions about the car seat, so do we think LE went back and got the car seat from the attic that cynthia claims is the one from the Forerunner?

Scampi, knowing what they know about the Anthonys, I certainly hope they did or plan to now that there was mention of Cindy's carseat.

When LE heard GA talk about a 'car chase' that involved Casey driving Cindy's vehicle, during the 'missing' period, whether it was true or not, they should have checked all of the vehicles.

Casey never left the area, she was coming and going from the home. She had access to the vehicles, with or without permission.

Cindy claims Casey did not take her car.

GA says she did AND that she left the Pontiac out front. if it was true, I do not believe she left the car there, accessible to her parents. It is highly probable that she got dropped off and screamed she needed to borrow one of the cars.

with the Anthonys any explanation is suspect. In hindsight, their answers were suspect in July 08 and remain suspect. They contradict one another with regard to the simplest inquiry. Cindy has never revealed 'what she personally knew as true' concerning Casey's whereabouts. She only revealed 'what Casey told her'.

Cindy A never told LE she had Lee track her down on 7/3 and found that she was local. This is what she personally knew.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Heyes]

respectfully snipped

Cindy A never told LE she had Lee track her down on 7/3 and found that she was local. This is what she personally knew.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Very true Pru, she also never asked the FBI or the police to help her, never cried and begged someone to help her break casey to get Caylee back. Ask for advice... nothing. She just tried to run the investigation.
Even if she believed that Caylee was alive, why would she hire a private investigator and only use him to dig up garbage on witness's? He never looked for Caylee, (except in the woods). How would he even of had time between digging up dirt on the protestors, Jessie, Kronk, Richard Grund....... Yet we're supposed to believe her on her interviews, rigggghhhhht!
Seriously, Caylee's murderer is so blazenly obvious. Her parents actions are so blazenly obvious. The trial is merely a formality at this point.
If I had one wish right now it would be to sit down with the prosecutors and they had to spill their guts. Just what we have seen regarding their attitude towards the anthony family screams there is more....much more. The anthonys have been up to no good from the get go. Just go to the very basic. How many dates did we get as the last day they SAW CAYLEE? Unbeliavable.
imo

[Patty437]

I still find it shocking that Cindy went back to work after finding the car. Even if you give in to the "story" that the car stank because of rotten pizza, how could you just go back to work when Casey and Caylee were unaccounted for.

[summer4meplz]

allegedly "sold" it to the Globe.

that's quite a "coincidence"

I'm still trying to finish george......I think it's so rude the way andrea keeps butting in with her "I can't see you" call me back....etc..

[Patty437]

that's quite a "coincidence"

I'm still trying to finish george......I think it's so rude the way andrea keeps butting in with her "I can't see you" call me back....etc..

Have you gotten to the part about the piece of duct tape on the gas can and George's explanation about it? Classic BS.

[Pruddennce]

Have you gotten to the part about the piece of duct tape on the gas can and George's explanation about it? Classic BS.

which is probably why the grand jury testimony has been requested, among other reasons, inconsistencies running rampant.

LE should have hauled them all in once they heard with their own ears how Cindy continually lied or withheld information during her FBI/LE interviews......LE knew about JC Penny, for starters, THEY HAD VIDEO....Cindy LIED OUTRIGHT....that should have been the moment in time to begin treating them as accomplices after the fact.

LE should have stopped Cindy in her tracks when she repeatedly said 'this is what Casey told me'.....why did they waste so much time with Cindy, KNOWING that Casey was local....why allow her to tell these stories as to 'what she was told'....the point was moot....she wasnt in Jacksonville, never was, she wasnt at the Hard Rock, she wasnt working, she was shopping, getting a tattoo and partying....

did LE actually think what "Casey told Cindy' would hold 'clues' as to how caylee 'became missing?" THEY ALREADY KNEW SHE NEVER LEFT THE AREA. were they evaluating to what extent Cindy would lie? if so, they found out quickly how she could and did lie as to the few things they knew prior to interviewing her.

the anthonys' cars should have been taken in. Lee's as well. they were lying therefore they should have been thoroughly investigated, not just seize things in the home.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[summer]

which is probably why the grand jury testimony has been requested, among other reasons, inconsistencies running rampant.

LE should have hauled them all in once they heard with their own ears how Cindy continually lied or withheld information during her FBI/LE interviews......LE knew about JC Penny, for starters, THEY HAD VIDEO....Cindy LIED OUTRIGHT....that should have been the moment in time to begin treating them as accomplices after the fact.

LE should have stopped Cindy in her tracks when she repeatedly said 'this is what Casey told me'.....why did they waste so much time with Cindy, KNOWING that Casey was local....why allow her to tell these stories as to 'what she was told'....the point was moot....she wasnt in Jacksonville, never was, she wasnt at the Hard Rock, she wasnt working, she was shopping, getting a tattoo and partying....

did LE actually think what "Casey told Cindy' would hold 'clues' as to how caylee 'became missing?" THEY ALREADY KNEW SHE NEVER LEFT THE AREA. were they evaluating to what extent Cindy would lie? if so, they found out quickly how she could and did lie as to the few things they knew prior to interviewing her.

the anthonys' cars should have been taken in. Lee's as well. they were lying therefore they should have been thoroughly investigated, not just seize things in the home.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

ITA pru. Right out of the gate the family lied about the date Caylee went missing, cleaned out the car, washed clothes, refused to take lie detector tests. It makes zero sense, the time they wasted - both the FBI and LE - noodling around with this family. The first thing Cindy and Casey do is create a facebook page? This doesn't create a red flag for LE?

Why didn't they cut to the chase, shut down the BS, ask the tough questions? It would've taken less time to get search warrants for all of the cars, for starters, than interviewing Cindy and listening to her spew nonsense. I don't think LE is stupid, if we had their number immediately then I'm sure LE did too. However, they let them ramble on and lie and lie - every minute that family was together more lies were created, more BS shouted to the media.

They probably knew early on about the family's *bat phones* - Casey should never have had a private phone when she was out on bail. She wasn't supposed to be near a computer either. And yet we know she was. Did LE think her lying family would monitor her phone and computer use? Really?

I'll never understand any of it.

[summer]

The final question: Did Cindy actually intimidate LE? I think it's possible.

Unbelievable!

[desmom]

I also wonder if the shirt was bought from the store like that or was it homemade with the lettering.

Shirt was purchased from Target. Pages 1289 - 1291 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21252257/detail.html are emails about the shirt. LE is working with Target to obtain a photo of what the shirt looked like when new.

[summer]

And this is for Explorer... I think Caylee was the spitting image of Cindy.

[Serena]

If I'm reading this correctly -- and I apologize for not reading all of the back posts -- Casey was actually coming and going from the house, presumably without Caylee, during the time Cindy claimed she was "missing?"

Something I've always wondered, and it's possible the answer is here somewhere -- I just haven't read back that far yet: When Casey claimed to be working, even going so far as to leave the house "before her shift" and take Caylee to "a babysitter" when we now know that she hadn't had a job in two years, what WAS she doing?

[summer]

If I'm reading this correctly -- and I apologize for not reading all of the back posts -- Casey was actually coming and going from the house, presumably without Caylee, during the time Cindy claimed she was "missing?"

Something I've always wondered, and it's possible the answer is here somewhere -- I just haven't read back that far yet: When Casey claimed to be working, even going so far as to leave the house "before her shift" and take Caylee to "a babysitter" when we now know that she hadn't had a job in two years, what WAS she doing?

Hi Serena. My personal opinion is the answer will be found in the *bad pictures*. I have to believe this will come to light in the trial, hard as the defense will try to keep it out.

[Barbara fl.]

which is probably why the grand jury testimony has been requested, among other reasons, inconsistencies running rampant.

LE should have hauled them all in once they heard with their own ears how Cindy continually lied or withheld information during her FBI/LE interviews......LE knew about JC Penny, for starters, THEY HAD VIDEO....Cindy LIED OUTRIGHT....that should have been the moment in time to begin treating them as accomplices after the fact.

LE should have stopped Cindy in her tracks when she repeatedly said 'this is what Casey told me'.....why did they waste so much time with Cindy, KNOWING that Casey was local....why allow her to tell these stories as to 'what she was told'....the point was moot....she wasnt in Jacksonville, never was, she wasnt at the Hard Rock, she wasnt working, she was shopping, getting a tattoo and partying....

did LE actually think what "Casey told Cindy' would hold 'clues' as to how caylee 'became missing?" THEY ALREADY KNEW SHE NEVER LEFT THE AREA. were they evaluating to what extent Cindy would lie? if so, they found out quickly how she could and did lie as to the few things they knew prior to interviewing her.

the anthonys' cars should have been taken in. Lee's as well. they were lying therefore they should have been thoroughly investigated, not just seize things in the home.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*


Good afternoon Pru,

And that is what is going to get Casey convicted....No jury will be able to dismiss all those lies when it came to her missing child for 31 days and was never reported missing by her own mother...Casey convicted herself and her parents are hammering the nails in her coffin....

[Duke]

Diet? Nevah! I must maintain my FLB healthy look! :tonguewag:


Just one word back at ya:tonguewag:

[Duke]

I think they know of the shirt cindy anthony probably knows about EVERYTHING in that house down to the dust bunnies. She strikes me as obsessive/compulsive.

By the way I like your sunglasses are they Juicy Coutour by chance?:biggrin:

That is what she is...KC is finally getting peace. She is probably liking her popularity.

I am actually a weekend spy and occasionaly a weekday also.

[Sun]

Duke, how are you doing on Lee's State Depo? I've been trying to read it for 4 days, and am embarrassing up to only page 207.

I think that Lee has dug a hole for himself, in saying that he never read any letters from Casey. (that JBP version originated from somewhere, and Cindy "says" it was Lee) However, Cindy told the FBI way before Lee could have heard it from Casey. ....I've always thought that it was very bad to lie to the FBI, Federal charges???

[Duke]

Good afternoon Pru,

And that is what is going to get Casey convicted....No jury will be able to dismiss all those lies when it came to her missing child for 31 days and was never reported missing by her own mother...Casey convicted herself and her parents are hammering the nails in her coffin....

I don't see how C and G just don't get this:confused:. Perhaps they are doing this on purpose to make sure she is way behind the bars.

Where is Rick now? I wonder if Cindy and Rick are on talking terms now. Almost everyone in the fam has fallen off the radar.

[Scampi]

The final question: Did Cindy actually intimidate LE? I think it's possible.

Unbelievable!

LOL, I seriously doubt it. What she did do was take all the rope they provided her and hung KC with it, imo.

There is no earthy reason for this family to lie, except to cover for a GUILTY daughter.

When KC gets convicted, and I have no doubt she will be, at least half the credit goes to cynthia and george, imo.

[need2no]

Shirt was purchased from Target. Pages 1289 - 1291 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21252257/detail.html are emails about the shirt. LE is working with Target to obtain a photo of what the shirt looked like when new.

LE did purchase a shirt like the one found with Caylee and it's in evidence, but it doesn't state under the pic if it came from Target.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/CAYLEE%20ANTHONY%20CASE/Anthony-BigTroubleT-shirtLEbough-1.jpg

[desmom]

LE did purchase a shirt like the one found with Caylee and it's in evidence, but it doesn't state under the pic if it came from Target.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/CAYLEE%20ANTHONY%20CASE/Anthony-BigTroubleT-shirtLEbough-1.jpg

I remembered the emails about working with Target, but did not realize LE was able to find the shirt! Thanks!

[Duke]

Duke, how are you doing on Lee's State Depo? I've been trying to read it for 4 days, and am embarrassing up to only page 207.

I think that Lee has dug a hole for himself, in saying that he never read any letters from Casey. (that JBP version originated from somewhere, and Cindy "says" it was Lee) However, Cindy told the FBI way before Lee could have heard it from Casey. ....I've always thought that it was very bad to lie to the FBI, Federal charges???

Im only on page 45. Reading it between my son and husbands B'day weekend. My boys need tons of attention :rolleyes:so I am going to take off and be supermom/wife now. Have fun everyone and I hope to see you on Monday!!

[summer]

LOL, I seriously doubt it. What she did do was take all the rope they provided her and hung KC with it, imo.

There is no earthy reason for this family to lie, except to cover for a GUILTY daughter.

When KC gets convicted, and I have no doubt she will be, at least half the credit goes to cynthia and george, imo.

Hey scampi, I agree, it seems preposterous. Why then do you think they let Cindy, George, Lee, go on for miles with their lies instead of nailing them right then and there? Why didn't they search all of the family cars? Why did they allow Casey to have a private phone and computer use at her house? Whey didn't they insist the family stop lying on threat of being jailed themselves? I'm sure there are many other examples too.

Maybe the family has hurt Casey's case. To a degree. I'm not 100% sure on that either way. I do believe 100% if they had been nailed on their lies from the git go the advantage to LE would've been greater than letting them twist and turn and confuse and lie continually - especially since who knows if they will ever be charged with obstruction or perjury? I hope they are charged, I hope they all go to jail, but everyone keeps saying the main prize is locking up Casey for life - and if that's true and if LE is just not going after the smaller fish (and btw I don't think this family is comprised of small fish - I think they're serious accomplices after the fact) then what was the point of coddling them all along?

Am I making any sense? Did going easy on the parents and brother really gain LE anything? I'm not seeing it.

Even in the latest depos where the SA could've had them pinned to the wall like butterflies they were still not nailed down - so many lies were unchallenged. They had them there. Why miss so many opportunities.

Color me frustrated.

[need2no]

I remembered the emails about working with Target, but did not realize LE was able to find the shirt! Thanks!

YW!

As usual, I was looking for something else and just stumbled upon this.

[Scampi]

Hey scampi, I agree, it seems preposterous. Why then do you think they let Cindy, George, Lee, go on for miles with their lies instead of nailing them right then and there? Why didn't they search all of the family cars? Why did they allow Casey to have a private phone and computer use at her house? Whey didn't they insist the family stop lying on threat of being jailed themselves? I'm sure there are many other examples too.

Maybe the family has hurt Casey's case. To a degree. I'm not 100% sure on that either way. I do believe 100% if they had been nailed on their lies from the git go the advantage to LE would've been greater than letting them twist and turn and confuse and lie continually - especially since who knows if they will ever be charged with obstruction or perjury? I hope they are charged, I hope they all go to jail, but everyone keeps saying the main prize is locking up Casey for life - and if that's true and if LE is just not going after the smaller fish (and btw I don't think this family is comprised of small fish - I think they're serious accomplices after the fact) then what was the point of coddling them all along?

Am I making any sense? Did going easy on the parents and brother really gain LE anything? I'm not seeing it.

Even in the latest depos where the SA could've had them pinned to the wall like butterflies they were still not nailed down - so many lies were unchallenged. They had them there. Why miss so many opportunities.

Color me frustrated.

You're making sense, don't worry. I think they were given this much latitude because the time for the pinning down will come in the courtroom. Allowing these parents to yap away was done in the hope they would trip themsleves up, see george's garbled gas can fairytale for an example.

They may have caught cynthia in a lie about the carseat too.

Cross exam of these two is going to be very interesting come trial.

[need2no]

I still find it shocking that Cindy went back to work after finding the car. Even if you give in to the "story" that the car stank because of rotten pizza, how could you just go back to work when Casey and Caylee were unaccounted for.

Two possible reasons:

She wanted to downplay the huge significance of what they had just discovered.

and/or

Cindy had something she needed to take care of at work to cover her arse, and didn't really plan on being there any longer than it took to handle 'it'. Also, maybe, just maybe, she needed some heavy duty cleaning solutions that were readily available, and free.

[SayItAgain]

Happy Sunday, peeps. :seeya:

I have several half-formed ideas about why LE wasn't more aggressive with the Anthonys from the beginning, so I'll just ramble a bit here ...

I don't think Cindy intimidated LE, but I do think the constant media presence of Cindy and George, especially when Cindy began criticizing the investigation, put LE on alert they had to walk a tightrope. I'm sure they learned, and were probably instructed, not to be heavy-handed with the "grieving grandparents," no matter how ugly and downright criminal they had the potential to be. LE has a public image to uphold, much like every other entity.

As painful as it is to acknowledge, Cindy's abrasive, abusive, poor-us-it's-all-someone-else's-fault routine has bought her a lot of time, space and special handling. It's not an accident this woman has made it to 50 plus years of age doing exactly as she darn well pleases. She is, shamefully, a force to be reckoned with.

Here we are, 15 months after we first learned about this family, still trying to understand why they did/why they do the things they did and continue to do. I'm sure there was a good period of time in which LE was in exactly the same boat. They had more information than we do, but I'm sure they were also looking for the whys of it all.

This case is precedent-setting on many levels, not the least of which is the behavior of this family ... and what motivates it. I would imagine the last thing even LE was able to accept about this case was that Caylee Anthony's entire (good-looking, photogenic, normal middle-class appearing) immediate family had forsaken and forgotten her, except as her memory could be used to fund their defense, their livelihood, their lifestyle ... perhaps their retirement.

There is so much cold, calculated, heartless evil here I'm sure even the seasoned members of law enforcement who worked/are working this case have trouble comprehending it ... especially when they gaze into the enormous eyes of this family's tiny, defenseless, haunted-looking victim.

I'm as frustrated as anyone that it doesn't seem either LE or the SA's have confronted G, C or L in the manner in which it feels to me they should be confronted ... about their outright lies, their ever-changing stories, their deceit, their handling of evidence, their backyard shenanigans, and on and on.

I just hold out hope there's a reason none of them have been arrested yet, and it's part of the state's strategy to take down the alleged murderer first, after which the rest of her family will also be taken down.

[birdwatch]

I haven't been able to make it thru all the depositions as yet. But I was just thinking that it will be intersting to see how the Pros. will be able to boil down the hours of murky and convoluted statments to present a case efficiently and succinctly so the jury can make clear sense of it. To us, of course, the case is clear, but murky and convoluted will be the defense's program,imo. This could be the longest trial in history, don't you think?

[Rucky*Ron]

Two possible reasons:

She wanted to downplay the huge significance of what they had just discovered.

and/or

Cindy had something she needed to take care of at work to cover her arse, and didn't really plan on being there any longer than it took to handle 'it'. Also, maybe, just maybe, she needed some heavy duty cleaning solutions that were readily available, and free.

Good point!

I pray if LE finds C or G removed/hid/destroyed the "real" car seat that they both go to jail for destroying or tampering with evidence of a murder.

Something tells me LE has something on that... maybe they actually recovered it..

[summer]

Happy Sunday, peeps. :seeya:

I have several half-formed ideas about why LE wasn't more aggressive with the Anthonys from the beginning, so I'll just ramble a bit here ...

I don't think Cindy intimidated LE, but I do think the constant media presence of Cindy and George, especially when Cindy began criticizing the investigation, put LE on alert they had to walk a tightrope. I'm sure they learned, and were probably instructed, not to be heavy-handed with the "grieving grandparents," no matter how ugly and downright criminal they had the potential to be. LE has a public image to uphold, much like every other entity.

As painful as it is to acknowledge, Cindy's abrasive, abusive, poor-us-it's-all-someone-else's-fault routine has bought her a lot of time, space and special handling. It's not an accident this woman has made it to 50 plus years of age doing exactly as she darn well pleases. She is, shamefully, a force to be reckoned with.

Here we are, 15 months after we first learned about this family, still trying to understand why they did/why they do the things they did and continue to do. I'm sure there was a good period of time in which LE was in exactly the same boat. They had more information than we do, but I'm sure they were also looking for the whys of it all.

This case is precedent-setting on many levels, not the least of which is the behavior of this family ... and what motivates it. I would imagine the last thing even LE was able to accept about this case was that Caylee Anthony's entire (good-looking, photogenic, normal middle-class appearing) immediate family had forsaken and forgotten her, except as her memory could be used to fund their defense, their livelihood, their lifestyle ... perhaps their retirement.

There is so much cold, calculated, heartless evil here I'm sure even the seasoned members of law enforcement who worked/are working this case have trouble comprehending it ... especially when they gaze into the enormous eyes of this family's tiny, defenseless, haunted-looking victim.

I'm as frustrated as anyone that it doesn't seem either LE or the SA's have confronted G, C or L in the manner in which it feels to me they should be confronted ... about their outright lies, their ever-changing stories, their deceit, their handling of evidence, their backyard shenanigans, and on and on.

I just hold out hope there's a reason none of them have been arrested yet, and it's part of the state's strategy to take down the alleged murderer first, after which the rest of her family will also be taken down.

Excellent thoughts, Say. And ITA. I also early in the case thought that LE, as seasoned as they are, even they had a hard time wrapping their minds around the intense depravity of this family. Every single member of the group lied and lied again. So yes, LE is comprised of human beings. I honor all the hard work they've done on this case and know it's easy to armchair quarterback. Thanks. :)

[summer]

Two possible reasons:

She wanted to downplay the huge significance of what they had just discovered.

and/or

Cindy had something she needed to take care of at work to cover her arse, and didn't really plan on being there any longer than it took to handle 'it'. Also, maybe, just maybe, she needed some heavy duty cleaning solutions that were readily available, and free.

Fascinating. Could it have been all three?

[summer]

Oh I think you're entirely wrong on that last paragraph especially. I doubt the family will be "taken down".....I don't agree that there is reason to arrest them. It remains to be seen if it ever happens. I'll be here for sure long after the trial to see who was correct in their assumptions. If the prosecution determines not to charge them with a crime, then I certainly bow to them for their judgement (and vice versa). Could you?

I think you and I would very much disagree on what we perceive to be the "cold, calculated, heartless evil here"...oh and did you mean, literally, "here"? I think the evil is Casey Anthony, no one but.

This wasn't directed at me but I'll chime in. NO, I would not bow to the prosecution if the Anthony family is not charged. I would acknowledge that not charging them is lawful and the SA has their own carefully considered reasons. We don't have to agree with something we oppose. We can respect but we can also use our judgment and discernment. Prosecutors often make deals that horrify the public but that's the way it is, has always been, and will always be.

No bowing here. Although I think they'll be charged ultimately so I don't have to worry about it.

[AnnieKins]

Actually, I would disagree completely. Caylee looked nothing like her mother or her grandmother. Caylee had a square jaw like her grandfather (no info on the father), and Casey seems to have a narrow, oval shaped face ... and her grandmother Cindy also has an oval shaped face ... Caylee, on the other hand, had an honest broad expression that would not fit into an oval shaped face.

I guess it's an individual thing. I do think Caylee looked a lot like Cindy!

[need2no]

Happy Sunday, peeps. :seeya:

I have several half-formed ideas about why LE wasn't more aggressive with the Anthonys from the beginning, so I'll just ramble a bit here ...

I don't think Cindy intimidated LE, but I do think the constant media presence of Cindy and George, especially when Cindy began criticizing the investigation, put LE on alert they had to walk a tightrope. I'm sure they learned, and were probably instructed, not to be heavy-handed with the "grieving grandparents," no matter how ugly and downright criminal they had the potential to be. LE has a public image to uphold, much like every other entity.

As painful as it is to acknowledge, Cindy's abrasive, abusive, poor-us-it's-all-someone-else's-fault routine has bought her a lot of time, space and special handling. It's not an accident this woman has made it to 50 plus years of age doing exactly as she darn well pleases. She is, shamefully, a force to be reckoned with.

Here we are, 15 months after we first learned about this family, still trying to understand why they did/why they do the things they did and continue to do. I'm sure there was a good period of time in which LE was in exactly the same boat. They had more information than we do, but I'm sure they were also looking for the whys of it all.

This case is precedent-setting on many levels, not the least of which is the behavior of this family ... and what motivates it. I would imagine the last thing even LE was able to accept about this case was that Caylee Anthony's entire (good-looking, photogenic, normal middle-class appearing) immediate family had forsaken and forgotten her, except as her memory could be used to fund their defense, their livelihood, their lifestyle ... perhaps their retirement.

There is so much cold, calculated, heartless evil here I'm sure even the seasoned members of law enforcement who worked/are working this case have trouble comprehending it ... especially when they gaze into the enormous eyes of this family's tiny, defenseless, haunted-looking victim.

I'm as frustrated as anyone that it doesn't seem either LE or the SA's have confronted G, C or L in the manner in which it feels to me they should be confronted ... about their outright lies, their ever-changing stories, their deceit, their handling of evidence, their backyard shenanigans, and on and on.

I just hold out hope there's a reason none of them have been arrested yet, and it's part of the state's strategy to take down the alleged murderer first, after which the rest of her family will also be taken down.

Great post Say, and ITA.

It would not have looked good to the public if LE came down on the 'grieving' grandparents right out of the gate...the public would overlook or set aside the facts, and been in an uproar over the treatment of these 'poor' distraught and confused grandparents. Cindy would have been on every show screaming abuse! LE would have had to devote precious time to PR thus taking time away from investigating.

Maybe LE kept thinking if they backed them into a corner with FACTS as they were discovered, then George and/or Cindy would finally come clean and start telling the truth if for no other reason than to keep from getting in trouble.

I'm also sure LE had some human sympathy for their plight, and hoped they'd come around after the initial shock of losing their darling granddaughter, and their daughter being arrested.

Futhermore investigating the case, and trying to locate Caylee was far more important than wasting time trying to plow the truth out of George and Cindy who had proved time and again they were trying to intefere with, and redirect the investigation, and cover for their lying daughter.

But I'm confident they won't forget the Anthony's part in all this, their just on the back burner for now.

[summer]

Great post Say, and ITA.

It would not have looked good to the public if LE came down on the 'grieving' grandparents right out of the gate...the public would overlook or set aside the facts, and been in an uproar over the treatment of these 'poor' distraught and confused grandparents. Cindy would have been on every show screaming abuse! LE would have had to devote precious time to PR thus taking time away from investigating.

Maybe LE kept thinking if they backed them into a corner with FACTS as they were discovered, then George and/or Cindy would finally come clean and start telling the truth if for no other reason than to keep from getting in trouble.

I'm also sure LE had some human sympathy for their plight, and hoped they'd come around after the initial shock of losing their darling granddaughter, and their daughter being arrested.

Futhermore investigating the case, and trying to locate Caylee was far more important than wasting time trying to plow the truth out of George and Cindy who had proved time and again they were trying to intefere with, and redirect the investigation, and cover for their lying daughter.

But I'm confident they won't forget the Anthony's part in all this, their just on the back burner for now.

The one thing I think, though, Need -- is there's a way to be firm and professional and also show respect and sympathy. At the end of the day LE has to get the job done. I do remember Yuri was very firm but compassionate with Cindy in one of the interviews, so there was firmness at times. But overall I think it could've been done better. They are a professional organization and they have dealt with grieving liars before. The family did make this high-profile and I believe they did this because they wanted the outcome to be what it was... KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF US. So different measures needed to be taken. Perhaps consults with psychologists. Anything to get what LE needed. It didn't have to be all or nothing.

So I conclude that LE was in a way intimidated and flummoxed about how to handle what was a media and PR nightmare.

[summer]

Well by "bow down to" I meant exactly what you responded with:

"Bow down to" in my vocabulary simply means accepting a decision whether or not you agree with it.

Whatever they choose to do, I accept as THEIR decision, not mine and whether or not they agree, I accept it.

Maybe I shouldn't have worded it that way.

Well of course we'll all *bow down* to the decision. I don't see any torches and pitchforks on this blog. Thanks for clarifying.

[need2no]

Fascinating. Could it have been all three?

IMO, yes. Cindy had good reasons and a 'mission' for going to her office, rather than diving in on the car cleanup immediately.

[SayItAgain]

Excellent thoughts, Say. And ITA. I also early in the case thought that LE, as seasoned as they are, even they had a hard time wrapping their minds around the intense depravity of this family. Every single member of the group lied and lied again. So yes, LE is comprised of human beings. I honor all the hard work they've done on this case and know it's easy to armchair quarterback. Thanks. :)

Bolded to address -- great way of putting it, summer. And to reluctantly give Cindy even more props for her malignant personality disorder(s), she was very successful keeping her immediate family's business a more-or-less secret from ALL extended family. As forthcoming as brother Rick was, and as insightful as Mrs. Plesea could be, the fact was Cindy isolated her family of 4 from the larger group and controlled the sharing of secrets to such an extent that LE could only go so far with the rest of the Pleseas and Anthonys. What they got from the Pleseas was primarily speculation, at the end of the day.

[SayItAgain]

Great post Say, and ITA.

It would not have looked good to the public if LE came down on the 'grieving' grandparents right out of the gate...the public would overlook or set aside the facts, and been in an uproar over the treatment of these 'poor' distraught and confused grandparents. Cindy would have been on every show screaming abuse! LE would have had to devote precious time to PR thus taking time away from investigating.

Maybe LE kept thinking if they backed them into a corner with FACTS as they were discovered, then George and/or Cindy would finally come clean and start telling the truth if for no other reason than to keep from getting in trouble.

I'm also sure LE had some human sympathy for their plight, and hoped they'd come around after the initial shock of losing their darling granddaughter, and their daughter being arrested.

Futhermore investigating the case, and trying to locate Caylee was far more important than wasting time trying to plow the truth out of George and Cindy who had proved time and again they were trying to intefere with, and redirect the investigation, and cover for their lying daughter.

But I'm confident they won't forget the Anthony's part in all this, their just on the back burner for now.

BBM to address. Many people right here on this board wanted desperately to be able to clean the slate with the Anthonys after 12/11/08. There was fervent hope around here we'd see a whole different set of (truly) grieving grandparents once Caylee's remains were discovered and identified.

Didn't happen.

[summer]

Bolded to address -- great way of putting it, summer. And to reluctantly give Cindy even more props for her malignant personality disorder(s), she was very successful keeping her immediate family's business a more-or-less secret from ALL extended family. As forthcoming as brother Rick was, and as insightful as Mrs. Plesea could be, the fact was Cindy isolated her family of 4 from the larger group and controlled the sharing of secrets to such an extent that LE could only go so far with the rest of the Pleseas and Anthonys. What they got from the Pleseas was primarily speculation, at the end of the day.

IMO Cindy is an evil genius. She went on the offense immediately with the "Look for a live Caylee!" and LE continued to placate. She was transparent as heck but it worked. They knew she was full of it but her skills of manipulation were one for the record books. It just steams me.

[summer]

see ya later... :seeya:

[Holden]

Great post Say, and ITA.

It would not have looked good to the public if LE came down on the 'grieving' grandparents right out of the gate...the public would overlook or set aside the facts, and been in an uproar over the treatment of these 'poor' distraught and confused grandparents. Cindy would have been on every show screaming abuse! LE would have had to devote precious time to PR thus taking time away from investigating.

Maybe LE kept thinking if they backed them into a corner with FACTS as they were discovered, then George and/or Cindy would finally come clean and start telling the truth if for no other reason than to keep from getting in trouble.

I'm also sure LE had some human sympathy for their plight, and hoped they'd come around after the initial shock of losing their darling granddaughter, and their daughter being arrested.

Futhermore investigating the case, and trying to locate Caylee was far more important than wasting time trying to plow the truth out of George and Cindy who had proved time and again they were trying to intefere with, and redirect the investigation, and cover for their lying daughter.

But I'm confident they won't forget the Anthony's part in all this, their just on the back burner for now.

I think you're right. LE does not want to come down hard on the A's - yet. I think they will at the right time but for now they are doing all they can to make sure casey is convicted - even if that means ignoring the outrageous behavior of the A's. They want to get this job done and they want to get it done with as little distraction as poss. But I do believe they will go after the A's after the conviction. They have nothing to lose then and everything to gain. The A's have gone out of their way to interfere with this investigation. They will get whats coming to them soon enough.:mellow:

[Patty437]

The only thing I can think of is they get criticized when they work and criticized when they don't work. Go figure. :laugh:

This happened july 15th, 2008 though, the day they went to the tow yard.

[SayItAgain]

The one thing I think, though, Need -- is there's a way to be firm and professional and also show respect and sympathy. At the end of the day LE has to get the job done. I do remember Yuri was very firm but compassionate with Cindy in one of the interviews, so there was firmness at times. But overall I think it could've been done better. They are a professional organization and they have dealt with grieving liars before. The family did make this high-profile and I believe they did this because they wanted the outcome to be what it was... KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF US. So different measures needed to be taken. Perhaps consults with psychologists. Anything to get what LE needed. It didn't have to be all or nothing.

So I conclude that LE was in a way intimidated and flummoxed about how to handle what was a media and PR nightmare.

I'm hopeful one of the take-ways (NOT precedents!) of this case will be the way possibly complicit family members of alleged criminals will be handled by LE in the future.

I hope one of the precedents this case will set is in how families can and should be made to answer for every wrongheaded thing they do, never mind anything criminal they try to pull off. I'd like to see an end to the mindset we should expect and accept that family members will lie and deceive to protect their alleged criminal.

[SayItAgain]

IMO, yes. Cindy had good reasons and a 'mission' for going to her office, rather than diving in on the car cleanup immediately.

I'm with you, n2n. Hadn't thought about it, but it makes perfect sense.

[need2no]

The one thing I think, though, Need -- is there's a way to be firm and professional and also show respect and sympathy. At the end of the day LE has to get the job done. I do remember Yuri was very firm but compassionate with Cindy in one of the interviews, so there was firmness at times. But overall I think it could've been done better. They are a professional organization and they have dealt with grieving liars before. The family did make this high-profile and I believe they did this because they wanted the outcome to be what it was... KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF US. So different measures needed to be taken. Perhaps consults with psychologists. Anything to get what LE needed. It didn't have to be all or nothing.

So I conclude that LE was in a way intimidated and flummoxed about how to handle what was a media and PR nightmare.


I can't really disagree with your thoughts. I do think LE was perplexed about how to deal with and handle the likes of Cindy, George and Lee. I'd imagine they've never come across an entire family quite like this who didn't seem to collaborate their stories among themselves before spewing off to LE. I'd also imagine they have learned a lot from this situation, and will apply it in the future if need be.

I never thought about the idea of getting some assistance/guidance from psychologists, but this sounds like a good idea. Also I will say I was very frustrated when LE let some things they said slide right by without addressing them, pressing, or questioning their words....including casey's interviews. But as someone else mentioned upthread, it's easy to be an armchair quarterback, and hindsight has 20/20 vision.

This was/is indeed a media and PR nightmare, the likes of which they have probably never encountered before, and probably never will again....I certain they HOPE they won't.

[SayItAgain]

I can't really disagree with your thoughts. I do think LE was perplexed about how to deal with and handle the likes of Cindy, George and Lee. I'd imagine they've never come across an entire family quite like this who didn't seem to collaborate their stories among themselves before spewing off to LE. I'd also imagine they have learned a lot from this situation, and will apply it in the future if need be.

I never thought about the idea of getting some assistance/guidance from psychologists, but this sounds like a good idea. Also I will say I was very frustrated when LE let some things they said slide right by without addressing them, pressing, or questioning their words....including casey's interviews. But as someone else mentioned upthread, it's easy to be an armchair quarterback, and hindsight has 20/20 vision.

This was/is indeed a media and PR nightmare, the likes of which they have probably never encountered before, and probably never will again....I certain they HOPE they won't.

I would imagine one of the ways the Anthonys differ from other perps/witnesses LE is used to dealing with is that none of them give a thought to sticking with a particular lie, or backing up each other's lies. Seems to me there can be no "gotcha" moment for LE when the witnesses they're interviewing simply lie with abandon, telling many different stories about the same incident, willfully contradicting not only other witness accounts, but their own previous accounts. How, exactly, could LE work within that dynamic before they had the entire puzzle assembled?

[Explorer]

And this is for Explorer... I think Caylee was the spitting image of Cindy.

Yes I agree

[SayItAgain]

Yes I agree

It interests me that I don't see the resemblance at all. I think it's because of *what* I see when I look at the two faces. In Caylee's face, I see purity and vulnerability. In the other face, I see evil and a rotting away, from the inside out.

[Explorer]

I guess it's an individual thing. I do think Caylee looked a lot like Cindy!

Yup. I think she saw cindys face in Caylee and when Caylee put her toddler demands on casey she freaked.

[Explorer]

It interests me that I don't see the resemblance at all. I think it's because of *what* I see when I look at the two faces. In Caylee's face, I see purity and vulnerability. In the other face, I see evil and a rotting away, from the inside out.

After you look at a few pics you get to see the likeness.

[Scampi]

cynthia and george will have a very hard time relying on the "denial" excuse come trial because after arriving home with the death car, at some point they went into their backyard, moved Caylee's playhouse and looked under the pavers there. I am very curious to learn why?

[AnnieKins]

Well of course we'll all *bow down* to the decision. I don't see any torches and pitchforks on this blog. Thanks for clarifying.

:rolleyes: :laugh:

[Explorer]

IMO, yes. Cindy had good reasons and a 'mission' for going to her office, rather than diving in on the car cleanup immediately.

Very good point. She had to go and tie up some loose ends. Maybe LE should have taken her company computer.

[SayItAgain]

cynthia and george will have a very hard time relying on the "denial" excuse come trial because after arriving home with the death car, at some point they went into their backyard, moved Caylee's playhouse and looked under the pavers there. I am very curious to learn why?

You know, Scamp, when you view this from the perspective that George, Cindy and Lee knew before they recovered the car that Caylee was dead -- which isn't the perspective I've held -- much of what they've said and done makes more sense.

Is it possible they knew Caylee was in the backyard, but Casey didn't know they knew? Wouldn't that scenario fit with the family dynamic whereby "little things" like a 7 month pregnancy are simply ignored and not discussed?

Did they find the baby in the backyard on or around July 3rd and then busied themselves with covering up their daughter's latest little problem, never mentioning anything directly to her?

Is that why, upon recovering the car which smelled of death, the first place they checked was the backyard? It all makes much more sense when viewed from the perspective the Anthonys knew in early July what had become of Caylee.

[need2no]

I would imagine one of the ways the Anthonys differ from other perps/witnesses LE is used to dealing with is that none of them give a thought to sticking with a particular lie, or backing up each other's lies. Seems to me there can be no "gotcha" moment for LE when the witnesses they're interviewing simply lie with abandon, telling many different stories about the same incident, willfully contradicting not only other witness accounts, but their own previous accounts. What, exactly, can LE do with that dynamic before they have the entire puzzle assembled?

Exactly. Normally the perp and his/her witnesses are all saying basically the same thing, backing each others story, well at least within a family unit, or in a case where they have had ample time to get their story down pat before being questioned by LE. But here they were getting different tales from each, and at the time had no way to know which one, (if any), was telling the truth, and how much (if any) was true. They were also probably trying to figure out what was the advantage or motivation for the one who was lying. Was one of them involved and trying to cover their arse, or cover for the one involved. Meanwhile as they try to piece all this together and get to the bottom of it...the Anthony family changes, or embellishes their original tales, offers up evidence they had withheld, or spouts off some new info to the media.
Lord have mercy....they surely had their hands full with this case!

Considering what we know about what LE was up against, I find it difficult to say much of anything disparaging about them or how they conducted the investigation. I would imagine they thought about this case 24/7 while scratching their heads for a long time, some probably are still pondering over this case. Additionally I think when we finally hear all the evidence they have, we will all shout out cheers for this dedicated hardworking LE team.

[need2no]

It interests me that I don't see the resemblance at all. I think it's because of *what* I see when I look at the two faces. In Caylee's face, I see purity and vulnerability. In the other face, I see evil and a rotting away, from the inside out.

:laugh:

Apparently I see what you see. I've never once noted Cindy and Caylee to look alike in any way.....thankfully.

[cuddlyrunner]

I still wonder if there has ever been a minute where Cindy looked at George and said 'she did it didn't she?'

Anyway, am off to la belle France till Saturday so no doc dumps this week please :-)

[Aunt]

The only thing I can think of is they get criticized when they work and criticized when they don't work. Go figure. :laugh:


Oh, I am sure the majority of the population wonders WHY and HOW the Anthonys continue to NOT work.

Instead it appears they are trying to make a LIVING off the death, the MURDER, of their grandaughter.

THAT fact alone, is deplorable.

FOOLish? hmmph

[ResJudicata]

Oh, I am sure the majority of the population wonders WHY and HOW the Anthonys continue to NOT work.

Instead it appears they are trying to make a LIVING off the death, the MURDER, of their grandaughter.

THAT fact alone, is deplorable.

FOOLish? hmmph


I really think the majority of the population either doesn't know who the Anthony's are, or have no opinion on their private lives. But you are probably right about the majority of the message board population.

imo...of course.

[Scampi]

You know, Scamp, when you view this from the perspective that George, Cindy and Lee knew before they recovered the car that Caylee was dead -- which isn't the perspective I've held -- much of what they've said and done makes more sense.

Is it possible they knew Caylee was in the backyard, but Casey didn't know they knew? Wouldn't that scenario fit with the family dynamic whereby "little things" like a 7 month pregnancy are simply ignored and not discussed?

Did they find the baby in the backyard on or around July 3rd and then busied themselves with covering up their daughter's latest little problem, never mentioning anything directly to her?

Is that why, upon recovering the car which smelled of death, the first place they checked was the backyard? It all makes much more sense when viewed from the perspective the Anthonys knew in early July what had become of Caylee.

Hiya Impie! I would not put anything past this family at this point, but had george and cynthia been in charge of getting rid of Caylee's body, it would not be at the end of their road, with items that could be connected back to the home, imo.

I firmly believe casey anthony alone murdered and disposed of Caylee, george and cynthia were complicit in covering up that fact with LE, as shown by all their lies and misdirections during the many interviews.

IMO

[wasapi]

With things a little slower (I seem to often get trampled over on busy days because I'm not a regular), there is a question I've been wondering about.

The last that I heard anything about Cindy's brother was a long time ago, when his e-mail to her was published. I liked him right away, it was as if he was the voice of reason in an unreasonable family.

Then, I think I recall that Cindy had him barred from Caylee's memorial because of the e-mail. She couldn't handle the truth, inparticular from a family member.

Does anyone know if he has made any other statements since then? Did he give a deposition, or say anything publically?

Thanks!

[trich]

IMO everyone is giving Cindy too much credit.
Anybody that would be intimidated by that lying you know what should rexamine themselves.
She is so stuck on herself that she again IMO is a laughing stock.
I think the more she talks the worse she appears.
I believe she actually thinks she knows more then anyone else.
I find it comical how she struts around and acts like the whole world is believing her.
Too bad that she is protecting a murderer.

[Ladyhawk]

With things a little slower (I seem to often get trampled over on busy days because I'm not a regular), there is a question I've been wondering about.

The last that I heard anything about Cindy's brother was a long time ago, when his e-mail to her was published. I liked him right away, it was as if he was the voice of reason in an unreasonable family.

Then, I think I recall that Cindy had him barred from Caylee's memorial because of the e-mail. She couldn't handle the truth, inparticular from a family member.

Does anyone know if he has made any other statements since then? Did he give a deposition, or say anything publically?

Thanks!

I don't think brother Rick has made any other comments that have made their way into the media spotlight. He told what he knew and then dropped out of the circus. I don't recall his name being on anyone's witness list.

[desmom]

With things a little slower (I seem to often get trampled over on busy days because I'm not a regular), there is a question I've been wondering about.

The last that I heard anything about Cindy's brother was a long time ago, when his e-mail to her was published. I liked him right away, it was as if he was the voice of reason in an unreasonable family.

Then, I think I recall that Cindy had him barred from Caylee's memorial because of the e-mail. She couldn't handle the truth, inparticular from a family member.

Does anyone know if he has made any other statements since then? Did he give a deposition, or say anything publically?

Thanks!

He was interviewed by LE via telephone on 8/21/08.
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Plesea,%20Rick.082108.pdf

Emails sent/received by Rick from his Mom, Shirley, and Cindy were included in a doc dump:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2817318/Caylee-Anthony-Case-November-26th-2008-Documents

His internet posts were also included in a doc dump:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2811551/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Released-Nov-26-015

I hope this helps.

[BettyC]

With things a little slower (I seem to often get trampled over on busy days because I'm not a regular), there is a question I've been wondering about.

The last that I heard anything about Cindy's brother was a long time ago, when his e-mail to her was published. I liked him right away, it was as if he was the voice of reason in an unreasonable family.

Then, I think I recall that Cindy had him barred from Caylee's memorial because of the e-mail. She couldn't handle the truth, inparticular from a family member.

Does anyone know if he has made any other statements since then? Did he give a deposition, or say anything publically?

Thanks!

Someone put up his telephone interviews with LE on youtube if you haven't heard them. 4 parts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_icWos23wM


eta: Wow Wasapi - you picked a good day ! lol Lot's of responses.

[wasapi]

Betty, Desmom, and Ladyhawk, thank so much! I have been wondering for quite awhile, and I look forward to following the links.

I know that it happens all the time, (it is also the case with my sibling,) but I still find it intersting that Cindy and Rick were raised by the same people, yet are so opposite of one another.

[desmom]

Re Cindy intimidating LE... I do not believe LE was ever intimidated by Cindy or anyone else in the family. IMO, LE was busy with Caylee's investigation and wisely opted to ignore the family and their antics.

i.e. In July 2008, http://www.wftv.com/video/19259736/index.html Cindy left a message for Sgt. Allen regarding the picture of Caylee with the drums. Cindy said it was Zanny's apartment. Cindy threatened to take the photo to the media. I have not seen any evidence in the doc dumps of LE doing anything with the photo and Cindy did not take it to the media...Oh wait a minute, a couple days after that voice message Casey admitted that was Ricardo's apartment but Zanny's apartment looks just like Ricardo's.

Cindy said she wants to cooperate with LE and she does not want to work against them, but she "was going to have let people know that a lot of days went by before you guys started focusing on finding some other things. I would like to talk to you guys about it and you know me, I like to speak my mind and I would rather speak my mind with you guys than on national TV". IMO, LE ignored Cindy's threats. Cindy did tell the media Casey's car sat for 3 days before LE towed the car. We know from doc dumps LE towed the car the same day Casey was arrested. Cindy told the media the smell in the car was from 19 day old pizza. WFTV did a pizza test and there was no smell. We also know there was NO pizza in the trunk of the car. George told the media a neighbor broke into the shed and stole the gas cans, even though he had already told LE Casey was the culprit.

IMO, that voice message is going to come back and bite Cindy hard. Cindy said, "Casey had to have had to had help, no matter what the scenario might be, so there are people who know that information." Casey had to have had help? For the last 15 months Cindy has been telling the public they do not believe the Mother of the Year would harm or kill Caylee. What kind of help did Cindy think Casey had to have had and help with what?

jmo

[BettyC]

Betty, Desmom, and Ladyhawk, thank so much! I have been wondering for quite awhile, and I look forward to following the links.

I know that it happens all the time, (it is also the case with my sibling,) but I still find it intersting that Cindy and Rick were raised by the same people, yet are so opposite of one another.

It seems that Cindy's brother Dan stays away from them also. According to Rick, Dan doesn't believe anything that comes out of that house.

[SayItAgain]

IMO everyone is giving Cindy too much credit.
Anybody that would be intimidated by that lying you know what should rexamine themselves.
She is so stuck on herself that she again IMO is a laughing stock.
I think the more she talks the worse she appears.
I believe she actually thinks she knows more then anyone else.
I find it comical how she struts around and acts like the whole world is believing her.
Too bad that she is protecting a murderer.

I don't know how many people are actually intimidated by her, and I agree she's not at all bright, just arrogant. The challenge for LE, imo, is how to handle her. I imagine people in her personal and professional life simply tuned her out or steered clear of her as necessary.

[Aunt]

I really think the majority of the population either doesn't know who the Anthony's are, or have no opinion on their private lives. But you are probably right about the majority of the message board population.

imo...of course.

Could be just the message board bloggers, then again when I mention the case to friends or neighbours here in Canada, they all know who I mean right away because of Cindy Anthonys media appearances. :blink:

[Patty437]

If you all want some INTERESTING reading go to Marinade Dave's site and read the latest blog entry by JWG. WOW.

[monarda]

Could be just the message board bloggers, then again when I mention the case to friends or neighbours here in Canada, they all know who I mean right away because of Cindy Anthonys media appearances. :blink:

I have no family members or friends that have the slightest interest in the Anthony saga and many of them are up on current news.
What George and Cindy wore to court etc is of little interest to anyone but those that want another thing to criticize them for.

[martha]

I just listen to Rick cindy;s brother talk to the le and he was so very nice and did not say anything bad about them only what le alredy knew.why cindy would be so ugly to him I just can not understand. He would have been by cindy's side to help her but no she told him not to say another word. she has two other brothers and i don;t think they or having anything to do with her eather. that is so sad. I would want my family with me. They would not have to agree with me but I would still want them there by my side. jmho:wub:

[martha]

I have no family members or friends that have the slightest interest in the Anthony saga and many of them are up on current news.
What George and Cindy wore to court etc is of little interest to anyone but those that want another thing to criticize them for.I am sorry but I disagree with you I an not inst.in what they were or don;t wear or what they really do. I am here for CAYLEE and for justice for her and if they would act like they wanted justice for her then I would not say one word about them. someone has to stand up for CAYLEE.jmho

[Aunt]

I have no family members or friends that have the slightest interest in the Anthony saga and many of them are up on current news.
What George and Cindy wore to court etc is of little interest to anyone but those that want another thing to criticize them for.

I'm interested in what Casey wears to court.

WHERE does she get those awful clothes? :w00t:

[monarda]

I am sorry but I disagree with you I an not inst.in what they were or don;t wear or what they really do. I am here for CAYLEE and for justice for her and if they would act like they wanted justice for her then I would not say one word about them. someone has to stand up for CAYLEE.jmho

Martha, don't take what I posted personally. I know you want justice for Caylee. I was mainly referring to people that do not follow message boards.

[Aunt]

If you all want some INTERESTING reading go to Marinade Dave's site and read the latest blog entry by JWG. WOW.


I read that, thanks.

I wonder if Casey set up a myspace page for ZFG, when she was OUT of the slammer.

I sure wouldn't put it past her or her Mother, :wink:

[Patty437]

That Myspace page was set up June 16th, 2008, the last day Caylee was seen. The Anthony computer was accessed that morning and had heavy use. The last entry for that same Myspace page was Oct 14, 2008, when Casey was picked up by police for murder.

[martha]

Martha, don't take what I posted personally. I know you want justice for Caylee. I was mainly referring to people that do not follow message boards.Oh honey that is ok I just wish the day would come for justice for Caylee. I had listed to rick talk with le and it got to me so bad. I really think he was trying to help cindy but she did not want his help in any way. I hope I did not hurt your feeling with what I said. I love you and all the people on here because they help me everyday. jmho:wub:

[martha]

I'm interested in what Casey wears to court.

WHERE does she get those awful clothes? :w00t:well that is ok if you or interested in what she wears of what cindy and george wears but to tell you the truth I can;t hardley stand to look at casey. I so want to see the day they have her trial and if she did this find her guilty and put her in prison for the rest of her life. I even wish cindy and george would have to get them a job and stop living of their dead gb. jmho:wub:

[SayItAgain]

That Myspace page was set up June 16th, 2008, the last day Caylee was seen. The Anthony computer was accessed that morning and had heavy use. The last entry for that same Myspace page was Oct 14, 2008, when Casey was picked up by police for murder.

That's quite the little coincidence, isn't it? Plus the Dora image on the page?

[desmom]

That's quite the little coincidence, isn't it? Plus the Dora image on the page?

I had seen that myspace page before. I did not know that little doll was Dora. Can you tell I do not have small children?

It is interesting. The article said the information was forwarded to OCSO. I am curious if LE followed up and if we will see more about that myspace page in document dumps to come. jmo

[Patty437]

I had seen that myspace page before. I did not know that little doll was Dora. Can you tell I do not have small children?

It is interesting. The article said the information was forwarded to OCSO. I am curious if LE followed up and if we will see more about that myspace page in document dumps to come. jmo

That myspace page has been frozen and they're saying that only happens when LE requests it.

[martha]

I had seen that myspace page before. I did not know that little doll was Dora. Can you tell I do not have small children?

It is interesting. The article said the information was forwarded to OCSO. I am curious if LE followed up and if we will see more about that myspace page in document dumps to come. jmoDon;t feel bad I do not know what Dora was. I don;t have any small ones right now. I sure hope my grandaughter has one before I pass away. I know Caylee has everything a child could want due to cindy loveing her so much.gm do ten to buy a lot more for the gc because by that time we have a little more money to spend on them. I really think Casey has a mental prob or something that other people don;t have because she has no feeling she has not acted like she misses Caylee on bit.jmho:wub:

[desmom]

That myspace page has been frozen and they're saying that only happens when LE requests it.

Thanks. I guess we will have to wait and see if LE can connect that account to Casey.

[apothecary]

I'm with you, n2n. Hadn't thought about it, but it makes perfect sense.
I have often wondered if her work computer has interesting info on it.It is a health business computer and probably can not be checked due to confidentiality issues.Maybe she had to quickly erase something off it.But we know nothing is ever really erased.I think she had something urgent to do at work and it was not work related.JMO

[AnnieKins]

I have no family members or friends that have the slightest interest in the Anthony saga and many of them are up on current news.
What George and Cindy wore to court etc is of little interest to anyone but those that want another thing to criticize them for.

I really couldn't care less what they wear to court.

Now on the other hand, taking a cruise with money they got from the media and then complaining that the media was on their tail? That's one of the thousands of things I feel I can rightfully criticize them for. :laugh:

[AnnieKins]

I'm interested in what Casey wears to court.

WHERE does she get those awful clothes? :w00t:

LOL Good point! The person who chooses those clothes obviously hates her.

[no1what]

yes very interesting! Why would Cindy or Lee need Casey to take them to Caylee if they had the address all along?

Or why didn't Cindy pull this post it out for Lee when they were begging Casey to take them to Caylee.

If Cindy had that post it note she would have already checked the address out or at least have called the numbers on it.

[charmin 66]

well that is ok if you or interested in what she wears of what cindy and george wears but to tell you the truth I can;t hardley stand to look at casey. I so want to see the day they have her trial and if she did this find her guilty and put her in prison for the rest of her life. I even wish cindy and george would have to get them a job and stop living of their dead gb. jmho:wub:

Martha, I love that you are able to stay so focused on Caylee. Sometimes in all this confusion we need someone to remind us why we are here. Please always keep up the good work. :wub:

[seeing_eye]

Or why didn't Cindy pull this post it out for Lee when they were begging Casey to take them to Caylee.

If Cindy had that post it note she would have already checked the address out or at least have called the numbers on it.

She never had an address or phone number for Zanny on a post-it note or anything else. And I doubt that she had even heard of a zanny until the night she called 911. JMO, of course.

[Rucky*Ron]

I have often wondered if her work computer has interesting info on it.It is a health business computer and probably can not be checked due to confidentiality issues.Maybe she had to quickly erase something off it.But we know nothing is ever really erased.I think she had something urgent to do at work and it was not work related.JMO

Would Federal law have precedence over state HIPPA regualtions..?

[martha]

Martha, I love that you are able to stay so focused on Caylee. Sometimes in all this confusion we need someone to remind us why we are here. Please always keep up the good work. :wub:Thank you honey for being so nice to me.Oh i do say things that i guess i should not say about them but sometime my bp gets so high and the tears just will not stop. I hear Rick tell how much cindy loved caylee when I was listne to his inv.and it just broke my heart. I know they want to save their daughter but I can;t forget they loved their gb too. I just hope and pray I am never in anything close to this mess. I love my daughter beond words. I love my gc the same way so what would I do I have no idea what I would do so until I walk in those shoes I just can;t say what I would do. I do want justice for CAYLEE, she was just a sweet little baby that had not done anything to anyone but love them I guess I will have to just have faith that she will get justice one day. I may not be around to see it but I sure hope it is coming one day.jmho and I love you all and understand how you all feel about everything. I hate that cindy and george or making a living of CAYLEE thier own gb.I can do nothing about it but just pray for justice for Caylee one day.jmho:wub:

[martha]

She never had an address or phone number for Zanny on a post-it note or anything else. And I doubt that she had even heard of a zanny until the night she called 911. JMO, of course.I don;t think there was ever an zanny. If cindy and george thought there was a nanny they would have everyone looking for her and they would be out looking for her. I bet everyone on this board would be looking if it had been your gc. I would never stop looking until the day I died if I truley believed there was a nanny. first of all had there been a nanny I would have meet her and knew who she was and check in her back ground before I would have let my daughter use her as a baby sitter.The only ones that keep my gb were me and my hubby and the other gp on the other side. I know you can;t even trust your own family with babys.I know from when I was 3 or 4 years old and even that young it never leaves your mind.no one knew it but me.back then you were scared no one would believe you. they did not believe children like they do today.jmho:wub:

[charmin 66]

Thank you honey for being so nice to me.Oh i do say things that i guess i should not say about them but sometime my bp gets so high and the tears just will not stop. I hear Rick tell how much cindy loved caylee when I was listne to his inv.and it just broke my heart. I know they want to save their daughter but I can;t forget they loved their gb too. I just hope and pray I am never in anything close to this mess. I love my daughter beond words. I love my gc the same way so what would I do I have no idea what I would do so until I walk in those shoes I just can;t say what I would do. I do want justice for CAYLEE, she was just a sweet little baby that had not done anything to anyone but love them I guess I will have to just have faith that she will get justice one day. I may not be around to see it but I sure hope it is coming one day.jmho and I love you all and understand how you all feel about everything. I hate that cindy and george or making a living of CAYLEE thier own gb.I can do nothing about it but just pray for justice for Caylee one day.jmho:wub:

Martha, IMHO you have nothing to worry about. If they can find 12 people with merely a 1/2 ounce of common sense, they will put Casey away for life. The defense says that all the evidence is circumstantial, but they fail to realize that the circumstantial evidense in this case is both overwhelming and heart wrenching.

[Deannalynn]

ITA pru. Right out of the gate the family lied about the date Caylee went missing, cleaned out the car, washed clothes, refused to take lie detector tests. It makes zero sense, the time they wasted - both the FBI and LE - noodling around with this family. The first thing Cindy and Casey do is create a facebook page? This doesn't create a red flag for LE?

Why didn't they cut to the chase, shut down the BS, ask the tough questions? It would've taken less time to get search warrants for all of the cars, for starters, than interviewing Cindy and listening to her spew nonsense. I don't think LE is stupid, if we had their number immediately then I'm sure LE did too. However, they let them ramble on and lie and lie - every minute that family was together more lies were created, more BS shouted to the media.

They probably knew early on about the family's *bat phones* - Casey should never have had a private phone when she was out on bail. She wasn't supposed to be near a computer either. And yet we know she was. Did LE think her lying family would monitor her phone and computer use? Really?

I'll never understand any of it.

I think LE is handling 'ol George and Cindy with a plan of action. Being smart as they are and have gone thru thousands of investigations, interrogations, arrests for destroying evidence, hiding evidence, avoiding and alluding.
Maybe they have already decided to save the best for last. Like, waiting for them both to get up on the witness stand. There is no way out if they have them testifying to BS at trial.
In addition, they clearly know that George was a homicide investigator back in the days. George knew not to allow Cindy to touch, move, destroy or alter anything in that car when they got it back. Especially since he clearly knew it smelled of decomp. Yet, George plays dumb and pretends he walked and later learned that Cindy cleared everything out of the vehicle, except for the PIZZA and trash which was later their excuse for the decomp smell. :sneaky:

[martha]

Martha, IMHO you have nothing to worry about. If they can find 12 people with merely a 1/2 ounce of common sense, they will put Casey away for life. The defense says that all the evidence is circumstantial, but they fail to realize that the circumstantial evidense in this case is both overwhelming and heart wrenching. You or so right.I TA with you. The last person to see CAYLEE was casey no one seen her after she left with casey so there you go it had to be casey that killed her and I so hope the jury will see that. then the 31 days. who in this world would wait 31 days to tell anyone her baby was missing? Even old susan smith tryed to make up a story to tell where her boys were and I am so glad she is in prison for the rest of her life.I can still see those beautiful little boys in my mind today.I just could not believe a mother could do something like that they were beautiful and look like angels,.I know there or a lot of people that would have taken them.no heart.just like casey no heart.These mothers give birth to these babys and they or part of them how can they hurt them is beond me.I wish they would start punishing these people like what they do to their victims. maybe it would stop some of the killings.jmho:wub:

[djmsmom]

I think LE is handling 'ol George and Cindy with a plan of action. Being smart as they are and have gone thru thousands of investigations, interrogations, arrests for destroying evidence, hiding evidence, avoiding and alluding.
Maybe they have already decided to save the best for last. Like, waiting for them both to get up on the witness stand. There is no way out if they have them testifying to BS at trial.
In addition, they clearly know that George was a homicide investigator back in the days. George knew not to allow Cindy to touch, move, destroy or alter anything in that car when they got it back. Especially since he clearly knew it smelled of decomp. Yet, George plays dumb and pretends he walked and later learned that Cindy cleared everything out of the vehicle, except for the PIZZA and trash which was later their excuse for the decomp smell. :sneaky:

I don't know how the pros. will handle the testimony of C and G, if they show the jury how big of liars they are then they run the risk of them not believing anything they say. We all want the jury to know the car smelled like decomp. IMO they will only ask the Anthony questions that they have someone else to back it up. I think they will only ask a few questions and not let Cindy throw out her lies.

[SayItAgain]

I don't know how the pros. will handle the testimony of C and G, if they show the jury how big of liars they are then they run the risk of them not believing anything they say. We all want the jury to know the car smelled like decomp. IMO they will only ask the Anthony questions that they have someone else to back it up. I think they will only ask a few questions and not let Cindy throw out her lies.

I'm not sure they need G&C on the stand about the smell in the car. They've got the towyard manager. They've got Casey's text messages to Amy about roadkill. They've got Yuri Melich and who knows how many other members of LE who've smelled the car. And they have George's and Lee's recorded statements about the odor in the car. Best of all, THEY HAVE THE CAR. It will reek forever. No chance it won't still smell like Caylee's decomposing body when the trial commences. I can't imagine a scenario in which it will not be an exhibit for the jury to experience first-hand. imo

[martha]

I know one thing if I was cindy and george I would never want to see that car again or even get close to it. I would want someone to take it some where so I could not ever see it again. If I had to get close to it then my tears would never stop just knowing that was my gb I was smelling.How awful I would have it burned or taken far far away from me.jmho:wub:

[AlohaRainbow]

Would Federal law have precedence over state HIPPA regualtions..?

actually, HIPAA is a federal regulation.

IF LE thought they needed to see something on cindy's work computer (if they had probable cause), they may be able to get a subpoena that stipulated they were looking for certain information (say, her personal workemails or word documents) and that any confidential health information would be redacted and/or sealed.

[birdwatch]

I don't know how the pros. will handle the testimony of C and G, if they show the jury how big of liars they are then they run the risk of them not believing anything they say. We all want the jury to know the car smelled like decomp. IMO they will only ask the Anthony questions that they have someone else to back it up. I think they will only ask a few questions and not let Cindy throw out her lies. But the defense will be throwing in the the "iffy" and murky points,imo and encouraging the lies. Cross examination will be the major key imo. Hope the pros can keep the jury focused on the simple and clear true points.
I think, for sure that they will get a conviction for Casey. I just hope and pray they can do the same with charging that crazy bunch of liars that is her family after Casey's conviction.

[Neffy]

I know one thing if I was cindy and george I would never want to see that car again or even get close to it. I would want someone to take it some where so I could not ever see it again. If I had to get close to it then my tears would never stop just knowing that was my gb I was smelling.How awful I would have it burned or taken far far away from me.jmho:wub:

Then they would have to concede that Caylee was in that trunk. Been there and they're not going back to that. EVER. They forgive Casey and now will do anything to get her out of a life sentence or DP.

[AlohaRainbow]

I know one thing if I was cindy and george I would never want to see that car again or even get close to it. I would want someone to take it some where so I could not ever see it again. If I had to get close to it then my tears would never stop just knowing that was my gb I was smelling.How awful I would have it burned or taken far far away from me.jmho:wub:

ita martha
interesting that mention of the carseat brought cindy to tears during her deposition

[Pruddennce]

Or why didn't Cindy pull this post it out for Lee when they were begging Casey to take them to Caylee.

If Cindy had that post it note she would have already checked the address out or at least have called the numbers on it.

Im sure you read her lamo reason in her deposition.....nonsensical but of course.

caylee is supposed to be HER FOCUS, GOING TO GET HER, but she wasnt about to go home and 'go thru an address book' <--her words, not mine.......OMG

she didnt 'really think about having her #'......'until the patrol officers were there and WE were looking at possibilities'.....<---again, her words.....

does this woman REALLY BELIEVE SHE sounds believable?

Page 196

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.......*

[Lexi]

Im sure you read her lamo reason in her deposition.....nonsensical but of course.

caylee is supposed to be HER FOCUS, GOING TO GET HER, but she wasnt about to go home and 'go thru an address book' <--her words, not mine.......OMG

she didnt 'really think about having her #'......'until the patrol officers were there and WE were looking at possibilities'.....<---again, her words.....

does this woman REALLY BELIEVE SHE sounds believable?

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http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.......*

Pru,
I don't think Cindy ever sounds believable, but that is just my personal opinion!

[SayItAgain]

Pru,
I don't think Cindy ever sounds believable, but that is just my personal opinion!

I share your opinion, Lexi.

[Pruddennce]

IMO, that voice message is going to come back and bite Cindy hard. Cindy said, "Casey had to have had to had help, no matter what the scenario might be, so there are people who know that information." Casey had to have had help? For the last 15 months Cindy has been telling the public they do not believe the Mother of the Year would harm or kill Caylee. What kind of help did Cindy think Casey had to have had and help with what?
jmo

excellent post des.....my bold to address...

you are correct des......

the few things she attempted to help Casey with was: washing the clothes, the car, the blanket, the hairbrush, withholding the JC Penny statements, THE LANYARD....just to name a few things we know via the released recordings, statements, etc.

Casey did have help....after 31 days of withholding information about Caylee, Cindy was making attempts to help her.......LE was on to her, but not enough IMO.....Im still confused as to why they allowed this family wiggle room and didnt investigate their vehicles.

after all, Casey was coming and going from the home.....she never left the area and Im gagging reading Cindy's depo when she continues on with 'what Casey told her'....

but on point with your comment, it is laughable that Cindy proclaimed her innocence, but then straddled the fence IMO, 'just in case there was an accomplice' who was going to 'rat out Casey'....and since there wasnt one, she created other suspects instead.....its jaw dropping....

she behaves as if Casey isnt capable of doing a bad deed all by herself....she didnt need any help stealing from the entire family and friends.....

a fascinating portion of her depo: Cindy and Caylee SWIMMING IN THE POOL on father's day......claiming that Casey took Caylee in for a bath after the pool...

and they had a FABULOUS day and all 3 of them watched TV together that nite....

there wasnt a fight she said....

George says they both gave Caylee breakfast....Cindy says she left .5 hour to 45 minutes earlier than NORMAL in the morning...she never saw Caylee....

is anyone else going hmmmmmm???????? who is finally going to tell the truth....will it ever happen?


IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Lexi]

excellent post des.....my bold to address...

you are correct des......

the few things she attempted to help Casey with was: washing the clothes, the car, the blanket, the hairbrush, withholding the JC Penny statements, THE LANYARD....just to name a few things we know via the released recordings, statements, etc.

Casey did have help....after 31 days of withholding information about Caylee, Cindy was making attempts to help her.......LE was on to her, but not enough IMO.....Im still confused as to why they allowed this family wiggle room and didnt investigate their vehicles.

after all, Casey was coming and going from the home.....she never left the area and Im gagging reading Cindy's depo when she continues on with 'what Casey told her'....

but on point with your comment, it is laughable that Cindy proclaimed her innocence, but then straddled the fence IMO, 'just in case there was an accomplice' who was going to 'rat out Casey'....and since there wasnt one, she created other suspects instead.....its jaw dropping....

she behaves as if Casey isnt capable of doing a bad deed all by herself....she didnt need any help stealing from the entire family and friends.....

a fascinating portion of her depo: Cindy and Caylee SWIMMING IN THE POOL on father's day......claiming that Casey took Caylee in for a bath after the pool...

and they had a FABULOUS day and all 3 of them watched TV together that nite....

there wasnt a fight she said....

George says they both gave Caylee breakfast....Cindy says she left .5 hour to 45 minutes earlier than NORMAL in the morning...she never saw Caylee....

is anyone else going hmmmmmm???????? who is finally going to tell the truth....will it ever happen?


IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

I tried to "bold it" but I can't tell if it worked or not. Anyway Pru, I don't think anybody is going to finally tell the truth. I am so sick of how, in the past year, Casey has gone from employee and mother of the year" to a child who "never did anything wrong" in her whole life. Including not graduating from high school. Did you know that was the fault of the school and the counselors???

[velvetbrown]

I know one thing if I was cindy and george I would never want to see that car again or even get close to it. I would want someone to take it some where so I could not ever see it again. If I had to get close to it then my tears would never stop just knowing that was my gb I was smelling.How awful I would have it burned or taken far far away from me.jmho:wub:

Martha, you could never even THINK like them because you have a loving heart and a pure soul...

[Pruddennce]

I tried to "bold it" but I can't tell if it worked or not. Anyway Pru, I don't think anybody is going to finally tell the truth. I am so sick of how, in the past year, Casey has gone from employee and mother of the year" to a child who "never did anything wrong" in her whole life. Including not graduating from high school. Did you know that was the fault of the school and the counselors???

classic Cindy Lexi, ...BLAME EVERYONE ELSE...which brings us to her upcoming trial on fraud.....Cindy is on the witness list.......WHY?

I guess they need a WOLRD CLASS LIAR to DEFEND an ACCOMPLISHED thief and liar.....cant leave Casey hanging out there all by herself, bring in a liar to say Amy told Cindy she GAVE her permission.....

IMO, this is what she is going to do........she will be there to slander Amy despite being Casey's nemesis......Ive said it before, the line is blurred.....Casey is representative of the 'perfect illusion' Cindy created, nothing had escaped that home for years....now this..... and if Casey is considered a murderer, a no good citizen, a thief, its a reflection on her...

the thought of her messy house full of thieves (must not leave out GA and his financial schemes)......that information has escaped and there isnt a mop big enough to clean it all up...

Cindy will forever be spinning her wheels and most likely the time will come when no one cares to listen to her...right now she is entertainment fodder.....the media enjoys hearing them lie....its a double edge sword Cindy is playing with (note: selling pics/videos of Caylee....might turn into evidence, something she didnt notice).........

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[impartial]

But the defense will be throwing in the the "iffy" and murky points,imo and encouraging the lies. Cross examination will be the major key imo. Hope the pros can keep the jury focused on the simple and clear true points.
I think, for sure that they will get a conviction for Casey. I just hope and pray they can do the same with charging that crazy bunch of liars that is her family after Casey's conviction.


Yep. The prosecutors are going to have a tough time with the Anthony's. They need Cindy to get in front of the jury all the lies Casey told. They want Casey to be the liar, not Cindy.

But, the defense will be the ones to expose Cindy's lies, to discredit her stories that Casey supposedly told her. She filled in all the lying blanks from the 16th to the 15th. Casey told LE she dropped Caylee off with Zenaida. The rest of the crazy stories were told by Cindy, as told to her by Casey. The defense will not want Cindy to be believed. And with all of her lies, they may just pull that one off.

imo

[martha]

Martha, you could never even THINK like them because you have a loving heart and a pure soul...Oh thank you sweetheart I sure hope I could never think like that family does. I can;t wait until the trial but I know i will get so upset when it starts and they want to tell lies and will not tell the truth. I don;t think the def.will let casey take the stand.jmho:wub: