Saturday Oct. 24, 25

[Texas48]

Good Morning All...

[SaraSidle]

n/t I think you can cremate or just have a closed casket or the funeral home may be able to help out with the looks. Diena Thompson did say she was going to have visitation. IMO

[n/t]

n/t I think you can cremate or just have a closed casket or the funeral home may be able to help out with the looks. Diena Thompson did say she was going to have visitation. IMO

Thanks Sara. So sad that she can't hold her baby one last time. Heartbreaking :crying:

[FrankieBones1]

Good Morning All...

Good Morning, Texy and all. There was something about the service in an online news site yesterday. Must be coming up soon.

[*Serenity*]

Good Morning, Texy and all. There was something about the service in an online news site yesterday. Must be coming up soon.


A public viewing will be held on Monday between 5 and 8 p.m. at the First Baptist Church of Orange Park at 1140 Kingsley Ave. There will be a public memorial service held at the same church on Tuesday, October 27, 2009 at 11:00 a.m.

[n/t]

I hadn't seen this photo of Somer before. What a cutie. So so sad.

http://www.examiner.com/ExaminerSlideshow.html?entryid=684207&slide=1

[Barbara fl.]

Thanks Sara. So sad that she can't hold her baby one last time. Heartbreaking :crying:




Good morning all,


There is no telling the condition her little body is in....Whether the perp did it or her being in a dumpster....but there is a reason why they wont let the mother see her...

Also, an autopsy had to be done to find the cause of death, so maybe she just can not see her now...The media didn't mention that it would be a closed casket, so maybe it's just for the time being and she will be able to be viewed.....

I would certainly want to see my baby again no matter what....just to feel that closeness in hope that she could feel my presence and maybe know somehow that her mommy is there.

I just hope they get this creep fast, I hope they have their eye on someone right now and just don't want to say it....He has to live in that area, If someone was just driving by then her body wouldn't have been put in a dumpster in that area......jmo

[Katt2]

A public viewing will be held on Monday between 5 and 8 p.m. at the First Baptist Church of Orange Park at 1140 Kingsley Ave. There will be a public memorial service held at the same church on Tuesday, October 27, 2009 at 11:00 a.m.

I think they have used the word viewing to mean visitation when the public can pay respects to Somer and her family.

[*Serenity*]

I think they have used the word viewing to mean visitation when the public can pay respects to Somer and her family.

I think when this was originally announced Dieana thought they would be able to see Somer. At the vigil last night she announced that she had received the bad news earlier that she will not be able to see Somer, and will get a lock of her hair. Heartbreaking to watch.

She wouldn't give any interviews at all yesterday, and a LE was seen leaving the home with a little girls white dress. This is so awful...!!

[Katt2]

I think when this was originally announced Dieana thought they would be able to see Somer. At the vigil last night she announced that she had received the bad news earlier that she will not be able to see Somer, and will get a lock of her hair. Heartbreaking to watch.

She wouldn't give any interviews at all yesterday, and a LE was seen leaving the home with a little girls white dress. This is so awful...!!

I have been waiting for reality to set in and for her to crash. I think she has been going on adrenalin and hasn't had time for it to really sink in. This poor family.

[Dunlurken]

I have been waiting for reality to set in and for her to crash. I think she has been going on adrenalin and hasn't had time for it to really sink in. This poor family.
If I were her, I would be angry, very angry. Let's hope the anger comes out soon. You can't hold it in forever. JMO.

Any news re who did this to poor little Somer?

[Rayosunshine]

I have been waiting for reality to set in and for her to crash. I think she has been going on adrenalin and hasn't had time for it to really sink in. This poor family.

It's coming, but the real reality won't occur for some time, probably 2 - 3 months. She is going to feel boxed in, as though she is in a locked room and can't get to her child. Very frustrating, very hard to be civil to those around you.

Concerning the mother not seeing her child, I pray that she has been connected to someone who can understand her grief (not a counselor who has never lost a child, they have absolutely no clue, they can only mimic what they have read/learned from a book). Mortuaries can work miracles, and will if needed. If she does not see her daughter, one last time, she will forever have doubts as to whether he daughter was really in the casket, or was it empty. (a high school friend lost her mother in a crash, closed casket funeral, 45 years later my friend still wonders if her mother was really in the casket - she has been tormented for a long time and will be all the years she continues to live). I hope the funeral home does not take the easy way out. She needs to be connected to a member of Compassionate Friends in her area for real life counseling. Compassionate Friends is comprised mainly of parents who have lost a child/children. We support each other and those who have yet to come to us, but will come soon.

[cassidy]

I think she showed her "fire" side in the first day or so..right now the reality is setting in...I do beleive Mom will become an advocate for Missing Children..she is just processing and greiving the reality right now...Like she said..."I have never been a quiet person"...After their time of grief..I do beleive Mom will come out as one strong...advocate for children. MOO

RIP Somer :rose:

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My heart goes out to the entire family..this is just too much to comprehend.


I hope so Angel. I hope she harnesses that anger and does a whole lot of good with it. I've watched her and I think she can.

JMO

[MagicPool]

Question....how far is Ocala from OP? Only asking because of this article.

http://www.ocala.com/article/20091023/ARTICLES/910239984/1340/NEWS?Title=Police-seek-man-impersonating-a-law-enforcement-officer

OCALA - Officials are on the lookout for a man pretending to be a law enforcement officer.

Scary to think about, but we tell our kids that LE protect them.

JMO

[Nascargal]

I think when this was originally announced Dieana thought they would be able to see Somer. At the vigil last night she announced that she had received the bad news earlier that she will not be able to see Somer, and will get a lock of her hair. Heartbreaking to watch.

She wouldn't give any interviews at all yesterday, and a LE was seen leaving the home with a little girls white dress. This is so awful...!!

OMG so sad, I have them all in my thoughts and prayers

[sunstar]

I hope an arrest is made today. I felt certain a POI would be announced and an an arrest made soon after the remains were found.
I'm a little nervous that an arrest hasn't yet been made.

Rest in peace Somer.

Hi Elyssa! This is just my opinion but with Somer being put in a garbage can, later transferred to a garbage truck and ultimately found in a landfill, there would be a lot of contamination unless she were in a sealed container. I hope the perp's DNA can be found on her, but the processing of evidence could be very painstaking. MOO

[sunstar]

OMG so sad, I have them all in my thoughts and prayers

I do also. They need all the prayers we can send right now. :rose:

[*Serenity*]

:smile: Hey sunstar,
Of course you're right. There would have been much contamination. I was erring in thinking she was in an enclosed container.

They found her by her leg sticking out in the trash, according to news reports.

[Mamie]

I think when this was originally announced Dieana thought they would be able to see Somer. At the vigil last night she announced that she had received the bad news earlier that she will not be able to see Somer, and will get a lock of her hair. Heartbreaking to watch.

She wouldn't give any interviews at all yesterday, and a LE was seen leaving the home with a little girls white dress. This is so awful...!!


I just do not understand that anyone could prevent the mother from seeing and holding her child one last time. If Somer's little body has been released to a funeral home, what right does anyone have keeping the mother from her child? This poor mother needs a finality and maybe she feels that if she gets to hold Somer just for a few minutes, that somehow Somer would go to Heaven knowing her mother's last embrace. JMO

[GentleBreeze]

Hi Elyssa! This is just my opinion but with Somer being put in a garbage can, later transferred to a garbage truck and ultimately found in a landfill, there would be a lot of contamination unless she were in a sealed container. I hope the perp's DNA can be found on her, but the processing of evidence could be very painstaking. MOO

Just by being in the landfill is such a treacherous environment. With all the garbage, debris, spoiled foods, etc. it heats up the environment and they said she was buried under tons of trash which makes the decomposition advance rapidly.

In the Channon Christian case she had decomposed rapidly in 2-3 days before she was found due to the heat in the house and with her being enclosed in a trashcan with heavy a comforter placed on top of her.

I am sure Somer's mother wants to remember her beautiful daughter the way she always was.

I pray for all in this family.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

I just do not understand that anyone could prevent the mother from seeing and holding her child one last time. If Somer's little body has been released to a funeral home, what right does anyone have keeping the mother from her child? This poor mother needs a finality and maybe she feels that if she gets to hold Somer just for a few minutes, that somehow Somer would go to Heaven knowing her mother's last embrace. JMO

I think they have convinced her why she shouldn't and she has agreed.

imo

[MAUIFC]

I do also. They need all the prayers we can send right now. :rose:

I agree - I am constantly praying for the family and LE.

This kind of ***** must end now....

[MAUIFC]

I think they have convinced her why she shouldn't and she has agreed.

imo

i agree - i know they have to be doing it out of love and support for her - that this poor woman has been thru enough already. i am 200% convinced they have this poor woman in their thoughts and prayers, and are trying their best to spare her anymore pain.

[*Serenity*]

I just do not understand that anyone could prevent the mother from seeing and holding her child one last time. If Somer's little body has been released to a funeral home, what right does anyone have keeping the mother from her child? This poor mother needs a finality and maybe she feels that if she gets to hold Somer just for a few minutes, that somehow Somer would go to Heaven knowing her mother's last embrace. JMO


For the fourth night in a row, Somer's mother, Diena Thompson showed up at a candlelight vigil with bad news. She said she had not yet been allowed to view her daughter's body. She, however, called for more help in the investigation.

http://www.wesh.com/news/21402960/detail.html




Diena Thompson has declined requests from The Associated Press for interviews. She spent part of the day Friday making funeral arrangements, and a law enforcement officer was seen carrying a child's white dress from the family's home. A viewing will be held Monday night and a funeral will follow on Tuesday.

At a vigil held outside the Thompsons' home Friday night, Somer's mother said she would not be able to see her daughter's body.

"They are going to give me a lock of her hair," Diena Thompson said.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g0ZKNq-opItZX0tIqxh3XHB2v9WQD9BHJ0OO0


Also-- there is another link which I cannot locate at the moment which states LE ask her to NOT see Somer.

Since everything in this case is MUM no one can know why or understand why, in my opinion.

[Mamie]

I think they have convinced her why she shouldn't and she has agreed.

imo

Oh, well that's different than preventing her from seeing her daughter. I was just going by what I read here that the mother had said about receiving the bad news that she would not be able to see Somer, so I thought that to mean she wanted to see her and someone would not let her. Thanks for clarifying that, GB.

[sunstar]

:smile: Hey sunstar,
Of course you're right. There would have been much contamination. I was erring in thinking she was in an enclosed container.

That's another thing I find odd. When she was found, her leg was noticed amongst the trash at the landfill, so unless she had been in a bag that ripped, I can't see the perp just dumping her in a garbage container without being "in" something. What if somebody had found her before the trash pick up? We bag all our trash before putting it in the can that sits by the curb on pick up day just so it doesn't get scattered when the truck picks up the container. :shrug: MOO

[sunstar]

Just by being in the landfill is such a treacherous environment. With all the garbage, debris, spoiled foods, etc. it heats up the environment and they said she was buried under tons of trash which makes the decomposition advance rapidly.

In the Channon Christian case she had decomposed rapidly in 2-3 days before she was found due to the heat in the house and with her being enclosed in a trashcan with heavy a comforter placed on top of her.

I am sure Somer's mother wants to remember her beautiful daughter the way she always was.

I pray for all in this family.

imo

I'm also wondering about the trash container she would've been put in before the truck picked up. Maybe at the bottom with bags or loose garbage on top of her so no one would notice? It seems so surreal that somebody would be brave enough to put her in a household container, but on the other hand, there are greater chances of being found in a commercial dumpster where she could be found by "dumpster divers" unless she was put there immediately before pick up. MOO

[*Serenity*]

Exactly. I know LE wants this case solved so they're holding everything close to the vest. Being curious, I'd like to know the basic details like the estimated time of death, the cause of death, what the remains were found in.......things like that.

Dr. G talks about Somer.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubHZcmTxS3E

[GentleBreeze]

i agree - i know they have to be doing it out of love and support for her - that this poor woman has been thru enough already. i am 200% convinced they have this poor woman in their thoughts and prayers, and are trying their best to spare her anymore pain.

Me too.

I remember when my first cousin lost her granddaughter in a vehicle accident they were all told it would be best not to see her body and that they should remember her the way she was. She had a closed casket.

Everyone complied but her grandfather and he insisted that the funeral director show him and he took him to the back where she was being kept. Now he says he wishes he had never made that decision.

I am glad that the memory of Somer for her family will be when she was a happy, beautiful child.

imo

[*Serenity*]

Police: Progress being made toward tracking Somer's path


http://jacksonville.com/news/georgia/2009-10-24/story/police_progress_being_made_toward_tracking_somers_ path

[tarabull1]

I keep going over this:

SNIPPED....On Monday, Somer became separated from her siblings and schoolmates on her way home from school in Orange Park.

She was seen in a fight at school before disappearing, according to a police report Thursday. Her 10-year-old sister told police that Somer had gotten into a fight with another girl at school earlier in the day.

The sister said she brought up the fight while she and her brother walked Somer home from school, and that Somer ran off from them, apparently upset. The sister said she lost sight of Somer in a group of other kids leaving the school, according to the police report.

It's snipped from here: http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/24/crime.georgia.landfill.body/

[sunstar]

Police: Progress being made toward tracking Somer's path


http://jacksonville.com/news/georgia/2009-10-24/story/police_progress_being_made_toward_tracking_somers_ path
From the article ~

"Hoping to generate more interest, Sheriff Rick Beseler plans to film a segment about the case today for the TV show "America's Most Wanted." It's unclear when that segment would air because the network is pre-empting tonight's show for the baseball playoff game. Host John Walsh is trying to convince network officials to air the segment during a commercial break in the game, but they have yet to agree, Justino said."

I hope he's successful. This needs to be aired ASAP!!! MOO

[sunstar]

I keep going over this:

SNIPPED....On Monday, Somer became separated from her siblings and schoolmates on her way home from school in Orange Park.

She was seen in a fight at school before disappearing, according to a police report Thursday. Her 10-year-old sister told police that Somer had gotten into a fight with another girl at school earlier in the day.

The sister said she brought up the fight while she and her brother walked Somer home from school, and that Somer ran off from them, apparently upset. The sister said she lost sight of Somer in a group of other kids leaving the school, according to the police report.

It's snipped from here: http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/24/crime.georgia.landfill.body/

(bolding in red mine)

So what happened to her after being seen with this group of other kids? Did any of them pay attention to where she went? :shrug: MOO

[AmndaRcknwth]

Exactly. I know LE wants this case solved so they're holding everything close to the vest. Being curious, I'd like to know the basic details like the estimated time of death, the cause of death, what the remains were found in.......things like that.

Please know that I mean no disrespect to the murdered child.

I don't have a link (I will search), but I read it was within 2 hours that she was murdered, likely.

[*Serenity*]

http://www.news4jax.com/video/15505198/index.html

[Jayne]

I keep going over this:

SNIPPED....On Monday, Somer became separated from her siblings and schoolmates on her way home from school in Orange Park.

She was seen in a fight at school before disappearing, according to a police report Thursday. Her 10-year-old sister told police that Somer had gotten into a fight with another girl at school earlier in the day.

The sister said she brought up the fight while she and her brother walked Somer home from school, and that Somer ran off from them, apparently upset. The sister said she lost sight of Somer in a group of other kids leaving the school, according to the police report.

It's snipped from here: http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/24/crime.georgia.landfill.body/

Wonder if that girl at school and her family has been questioned?

jmo

J

[AmndaRcknwth]

Found the 2-hour link:

http://0-www.wftv.com.iii.ocls.info/news/21396166/detail.html

The body was found in landfill. Investigators from the FBI and the Georgia Bureau of Investigation are going to spend the next several days sifting through the 225 tons of trash from Somer Thompson's neighborhood in Orange Park that trucks carried out of state Tuesday morning.

Forensics experts say investigators will likely try to get DNA evidence from her clothing, hands, fingernails and mouth and they would also check for DNA on the garbage found near her body.

“I believe the early discovery of the body is going to enhance our investigation,” Clay County Sheriff Rick Breseler said.

An Eyewitness News law enforcement source who oversees this type of investigation says Somer's killer is probably a sex offender who lives in or has close ties to Orange Park, Florida. The source said Somer was probably murdered within two hours of her kidnapping and her body was probably disposed of in a dumpster, both moves intended to prevent the killer from being caught.

The law enforcement expert believes the search Thursday at a vacant home and a dumpster near Somer's school is a very encouraging sign. Investigators say in front of the vacant home is where Somer was last seen.




The "source" is not identified. I am assuming this means they are going by statistics that say children are often murdered by SO within 2-3 hours.

[tarabull1]

(bolding in red mine)

So what happened to her after being seen with this group of other kids? Did any of them pay attention to where she went? :shrug: MOO

GREAT question!!!!!

WHERE oh where are THOSE kids now???? SURELY they must have been questioned!

There was that one lil boy interviewed in the news saying he saw her running with an unhappy face. But that was just 1 boy, not a group.

[sunstar]

GREAT question!!!!!

WHERE oh where are THOSE kids now???? SURELY they must have been questioned!

There was that one lil boy interviewed in the news saying he saw her running with an unhappy face. But that was just 1 boy, not a group.

Yes, I too remember the one boy who said she had a frown on her face as she was running, but I'd certainly hope the other group of kids have been questioned. I'd also like to know more about the fight at school and who was involved. MOO

[tarabull1]

Tarabull!!! :thumbup: for finding that. That blows my mind. All I've heard is that Somer got into a fight with a sibling on the way home and that she hit that sibling with a backpack. NOW we hear that she got into a fight at school?!?!?!? :bored:



OMG why did LE spend time looking at RSO>>>> :cursing:
Read what this implies........... Anyone remember how old Somer's sister is? Is she the sibling that is 10? This is infuriating.
The sister said she lost sight of Somer in a group of other kids leaving the school, according to the police report.

You are correct Abigail is 10 as per the police report.

I have been thinking about this more since they arrested a 15 year old friend in Elizabeth's murder.

[AmndaRcknwth]

10/20 it was reported that Somer and a sibling had an arguement/fight.

The the story was corrected. Somer and another child had a fight at school. Abigail confronted Somer on the way home. Somer stormed off.

My gut says SO, (maybe not registered even), but not kids.

[*Serenity*]

10/20 it was reported that Somer and a sibling had an arguement/fight.

The the story was corrected. Somer and another child had a fight at school. Abigail confronted Somer on the way home. Somer stormed off.

My gut says SO, (maybe not registered even), but not kids.


Police Report


http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m10d23-Read-police-report-from-Somer-Thompson-case


Somer got in the fight at school and her sister confronted her about the fight while walking home. That is when Somer got upset and went ahead of her sister and twin brother. I'm strictly going from the police report and not the media.

ETA: reading down a little further in the report after the above statement-- Somer's sister lost sight of her within a group of other kids leaving the school.

[Barbara fl.]

Police Report


http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m10d23-Read-police-report-from-Somer-Thompson-case


Somer got in the fight at school and her sister confronted her about the fight while walking home. That is when Somer got upset and went ahead of her sister and twin brother. I'm strictly going from the police report and not the media.

ETA: reading down a little further in the report after the above statement-- Somer's sister lost sight of her within a group of other kids leaving the school.

That is what I heard also....Somer had a fight with another child at school and while they were walking home Somer's sister sort of repremanded Somer for fighting and Somer got upset and walked ahead of them...once Somer turned that bend they couldn't see her anymore....

[*Serenity*]

The live presser announced the Blue Nissan incident has been completely cleared and has NOTHING to do with this case.

No video or recording devices for Somer's church services, and purple ballons will be the theme if anyone wants to participate after services.
They will release the purple balloons in memory of Somer.

Live update scheduled again for tomorrow at 4:00pm unless of course they make an arrest prior to this time.

No updates about a POI or anything about the investigation.

Oh yea.. the Gano house is completely finished and homeowners have posession of the home back.

[sunstar]

You are correct Abigail is 10 as per the police report.

I have been thinking about this more since they arrested a 15 year old friend in Elizabeth's murder.

So have I. I'd also like to know what the fight was about, if someone had physically hurt Somer earlier that day, or it was just a verbal "fight". MOO

[tarabull1]

Thanks for opening my eyes to that possibility. I just read about the other child who was murdered by a 15 year old. What is this world coming too???

I feel anything is possible at this point.

I mean obviously, broad daylight when school is letting out....how many kids you suppose were between school and home at that time of day???

It's hard to believe there are NO WITNESSES to Somer's fate.

SOMETHING's gotta give.

[*Serenity*]

Which means the Gano house is not considered a crime scene.
LE said that all RSO within 3 miles of the home and school were cleared.
So WHO killed Somer?


It was considered a crime scene and they gathered all of their potential evidence. Now that they have completely processed the house they released it back to the owners.

The presser stated all evidence has been gathered and sent to crime lab for processing. They didn't release the property until some time this morning. They were there for quite awhile.

[AmndaRcknwth]

People were out and about when Nevaeh disappeared and her case is ice cold.

Praying Orange Park will be different.

[AmndaRcknwth]

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Somer%20Thompson/

added more pics & vids, hopefully up to date as of today.

[*Serenity*]

I feel anything is possible at this point.

I mean obviously, broad daylight when school is letting out....how many kids you suppose were between school and home at that time of day???

It's hard to believe there are NO WITNESSES to Somer's fate.

SOMETHING's gotta give.

I think they have a lot more information than anyone knows. The public is spoiled, in my opinion, with getting information asap and no patience to wait for anything.

I think LE is wise to keep all of their information confidential to ensure Somer and her family get the justice they deserve.

[sunstar]

I feel anything is possible at this point.

I mean obviously, broad daylight when school is letting out....how many kids you suppose were between school and home at that time of day???

It's hard to believe there are NO WITNESSES to Somer's fate.

SOMETHING's gotta give.

I just hope they're closer to finding out who the perp is than we think. :sad: I haven't noticed much focus on others being in danger so I wonder if they believe this wasn't random? MOO

[tarabull1]

In follow up to the presser I did make some notes while holding my ear tight to my laptop speaker!!! TARABULL audio eh? jeeeeeeeeez I hope they fix THAT before the next one.

In review they stated:
- to date 1100 tips have been rec'd and of those 200 remain active with investigators still working thru them.
- to date 2000 interviews have been conducted with either residents, workers, or people passing thru the area, these were done either by phone or in person - from those 50 warranted further info & were then performed as one-on-one directly by investigators so more time spent doing them.

I have lousy handwriting hopefully I have that all correct.

[VC2]

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Somer%20Thompson/

added more pics & vids, hopefully up to date as of today.

Thanks amanda!! i so appreciate you keeping the pictures in one place for each case. I cant watch vids and often miss pics so at least i can refresh my memory with yours

[tarabull1]

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Somer%20Thompson/

added more pics & vids, hopefully up to date as of today.

Could we keep our peepers peeled for Somer in her white dress??? I've been watching but haven't seen one.

That would be a nice way to remember her....dressed in her pretty whites as she is now amongst the angels.

:rose: for Somer.

[CC I See]

We can assume from the information that we have that she was placed in a dumpster. If some kids did this to her as punishment or she crawled into one to hide, wouldn't she be able to get out or crawl out herself if she were able. If she was not able wouldn't someone have heard her cry out for help?

I used to work for a business where we had a huge dumpster that also compacted. We always worried that someone would crawl in one and go to sleep and get killed when the trash was compacted since we had a lot of homeless people in the neighborhood who liked to crawl into them.

It was always a concern for those who emptied the trash at night... if this would happen. It never did, but we did know that it has happened other places.

This is just a theory... like all the others.

[Motomom]

We can assume from the information that we have that she was placed in a dumpster. If some kids did this to her as punishment or she crawled into one to hide, wouldn't she be able to get out or crawl out herself if she were able. If she was not able wouldn't someone have heard her cry out for help?

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This is just a theory... like all the others.

Hey CC. I've thought she was put out in the regular trash, from a home, not a dumpster. They haven't really said one way or another have they? I could be missing it. The only problem with her being out in the weekly trash would be she'd have had to be in someone's home close by, could they have hid her that well, not acted weird when LE came around looking, assuming it was one of those homes in her neighborhood?
Another thing, nobody heard anything? So she had to be subdued rather quickly or bound I would think. Unless someone was able to get her to a car quickly..I don't know, there seem to be alot of reasonable theories. I think someone surely would have heard her cry out for help if she had had went in one alive, also she would have been able to get out IMO. I know because of the Elizabeth case, some are thinking younger..my thoughts on that though, she was only 7. What sort of fight could she have gotten into that would have resulted with this outcome? Not sure what grade her school went up to, but I know my kids school keeps the kids seperated pretty well. So it would have to be young young kids, and I'm not sure I could ever wrap my mind about something like that. They would have found them by now if it were more than one IMO too. And if it were a teenager.. could we possibly have two, at the same time going around killing young children? kwim? I"m sorry this got long, haven't been able to talk about the case, before bed last night I was thinking about these girls, going to visit Elizabeths board after this. It's horrible having to type some of it, trash, dumpsters... when we are talking about beautiful little girls. My heart aches for these families.

[tarabull1]

We can assume from the information that we have that she was placed in a dumpster. If some kids did this to her as punishment or she crawled into one to hide, wouldn't she be able to get out or crawl out herself if she were able. If she was not able wouldn't someone have heard her cry out for help?

I used to work for a business where we had a huge dumpster that also compacted. We always worried that someone would crawl in one and go to sleep and get killed when the trash was compacted since we had a lot of homeless people in the neighborhood who liked to crawl into them.

It was always a concern for those who emptied the trash at night... if this would happen. It never did, but we did know that it has happened other places.

This is just a theory... like all the others.

I disagree....We can not assume dumpster. In fact if you were to google Somer's home address and go to streetview you will see empty garbage pails strewn along her street.....as apparently it was a trash day when the google streetview unit was capturing images.

[Motomom]

I disagree....We can not assume dumpster. In fact if you were to google Somer's home address and go to streetview you will see empty garbage pails strewn along her street.....as apparently it was a trash day when the google streetview unit was capturing images.

It's weird that there's that google street view of two little kids, walking down the one street. Then the streetview with their trash out (I didn't notice that one). Considering what has happened in this case. I know some are assuming dumpster, but I never thought that. It could have been though.. Le will find out exactly where she was put..I hope.

[sunstar]

I disagree....We can not assume dumpster. In fact if you were to google Somer's home address and go to streetview you will see empty garbage pails strewn along her street.....as apparently it was a trash day when the google streetview unit was capturing images.

I hope LE can narrow down at least to the street the garbage was collected from by what was found around Somer's body. I still find it a little off that an adult perp wouldn't have tried to hide the body more by at least taking her out of the area the crime was committed, assuming this is the case. MOO

[tarabull1]

It's weird that there's that google street view of two little kids, walking down the one street. Then the streetview with their trash out (I didn't notice that one). Considering what has happened in this case. I know some are assuming dumpster, but I never thought that. It could have been though.. Le will find out exactly where she was put..I hope.

ABSOLUTELY strange....and it's hard to believe unless you see the image of the kids with your own eyes.

I reported it to Google Wednesday, I'm sure I'm not the only one. Initially, they just replied with the standard "reply email" thanks we'll review your request. Several hours later another email stating the imagine would be removed within 24 hours and yet it's still there.

Maybe it didn't meet their criteria for removal.

Not knowing...

But, I keep checking to see if it's been removed.

[tarabull1]

i hope le can narrow down at least to the street the garbage was collected from by what was found around somer's body. I still find it a little off that an adult perp wouldn't have tried to hide the body more by at least taking her out of the area the crime was committed, assuming this is the case. Moo

great point!

[debbadoo]

From the article ~

"Hoping to generate more interest, Sheriff Rick Beseler plans to film a segment about the case today for the TV show "America's Most Wanted." It's unclear when that segment would air because the network is pre-empting tonight's show for the baseball playoff game. Host John Walsh is trying to convince network officials to air the segment during a commercial break in the game, but they have yet to agree, Justino said."

I hope he's successful. This needs to be aired ASAP!!! MOO

:cursing: Well GOD forbid they should interrupt a baseball game for someting so trivial as a MURDERED child! Good LORD! :cursing:

[Donnah]

I still find it a little off that an adult perp wouldn't have tried to hide the body more by at least taking her out of the area the crime was committed, assuming this is the case. MOO

Serial killer Bob Berdella bagged his victims and put them out front of his house for regular trash pick up. He didn't get caught for doing it like that either.

[sunstar]

:cursing: Well GOD forbid they should interrupt a baseball game for someting so trivial as a MURDERED child! Good LORD! :cursing:

It upsets me also. The game doesn't take all night so couldn't AMW be aired before or after depending on the time zone? I'm just upset because the more time that passes the colder the trail goes. :sad: MOO

[sunstar]

Serial killer Bob Berdella bagged his victims and put them out front of his house for regular trash pick up.

:scared: thanks for the info ~ I hadn't heard of him. I was just thinking if the perp had a car or used a car to grab her, they'd take her someplace else, or out into the woods. MOO

[MAUIFC]

:cursing: Well GOD forbid they should interrupt a baseball game for someting so trivial as a MURDERED child! Good LORD! :cursing:


I AGREE - how selfish and greedy (not to even mention insensitive) can these network people be?

They should be ashamed of themselves for not immediately agreeing to air the America Most Wanted program.

This makes me sick.

[Rayosunshine]

You are correct Abigail is 10 as per the police report.

I have been thinking about this more since they arrested a 15 year old friend in Elizabeth's murder.

I don't think the sibling had anything to do with it. Considering the body was placed in a dumpster and transported to a landfill. I don't thing a 10 year old could lift 65 pounds of dead weight over the side of a dumpster.

[ResJudicata]

It upsets me also. The game doesn't take all night so couldn't AMW be aired before or after depending on the time zone? I'm just upset because the more time that passes the colder the trail goes. :sad: MOO

The game is a playoff game, and I'm sure the network is under contractual obligation to its sponsers. Every minute of airtime has already been purchased.

imo...of course.

[Donnah]

I don't think the sibling had anything to do with it. Considering the body was placed in a dumpster and transported to a landfill. I don't thing a 10 year old could lift 65 pounds of dead weight over the side of a dumpster.

I don't think the police have said it was a dumpster.

[Rayosunshine]

:cursing: Well GOD forbid they should interrupt a baseball game for someting so trivial as a MURDERED child! Good LORD! :cursing:

Screwed-up priorities! That is why pedicide is such a big problem.

[sunstar]

The game is a playoff game, and I'm sure the network is under contractual obligation to its sponsers. Every minute of airtime has already been purchased.

imo...of course.

I understand that, but it isn't on all evening. I think they could've still found an hour slot to show the program either before or after. There's also a rain out tonight. :wink: MOO


eta ~ with the game rained out maybe it will be on after all?

[tarabull1]

Screwed-up priorities! That is why pedicide is such a big problem.

I say with the bad weather rolling in and the game being called off, the powers that be are changing their priorities :thumbsup:

Hopefully they have Somer's segment ready & qued up.

[GentleBreeze]

:cursing: Well GOD forbid they should interrupt a baseball game for something so trivial as a MURDERED child! Good LORD! :cursing:

The baseball playoffs have been canceled for today.

imo

[ResJudicata]

I understand that, but it isn't on all evening. I think they could've still found an hour slot to show the program either before or after. There's also a rain out tonight. :wink: MOO

Really? I didn't know that.

Go Angels!

[sunstar]

Really? I didn't know that.

Go Angels!

I saw it on ESPN while watching college football. I'm just hoping AMW will be on tonight so there's a chance somebody watching will have the tip LE needs.

[MAUIFC]

I am continuing to pray for LE. May G-d watch over them, show them favor, and bless them with the energy, analytical skills, fortitude and knowledge to bring this killer to justice.

[sunstar]

I am continuing to pray for LE. May G-d watch over them, show them favor, and bless them with the energy, analytical skills, fortitude and knowledge to bring this killer to justice.

You are not alone ~ they need our prayers as much as Somer's family does. :smile:

[SaraSidle]

Good morning all,


There is no telling the condition her little body is in....Whether the perp did it or her being in a dumpster....but there is a reason why they wont let the mother see her...

Also, an autopsy had to be done to find the cause of death, so maybe she just can not see her now...The media didn't mention that it would be a closed casket, so maybe it's just for the time being and she will be able to be viewed.....

I would certainly want to see my baby again no matter what....just to feel that closeness in hope that she could feel my presence and maybe know somehow that her mommy is there.



I just hope they get this creep fast, I hope they have their eye on someone right now and just don't want to say it....He has to live in that area, If someone was just driving by then her body wouldn't have been put in a dumpster in that area......jmo

I do not think I could take it if I could not see my child

[debbadoo]

The baseball playoffs have been canceled for today.

imo

AMEN! Let's hope AMW will bring in alot of great tips and the big one that will lead to the arrest of the POS that murdered this baby girl.

[moonlite]

Wonder if that girl at school and her family has been questioned?

jmo

J

Greetings'
Jayne"

I was wondering the very same thing!! I'm wondering if someone might have viewed Somer as a bully? I mean another parent or something? Ok' I know that might be a long shot and yes it is just speculation.

Moonlite

[tarabull1]

I do not think I could take it if I could not see my child

For myself......if it meant having good memories of my daughter versus nightmares about her death I swear I could handle just hanging onto my good memories and settle with the lock of hair as per the advise of the police.

Yeah I'd take their word for it and accept what they are saying - knowing they likely have good reason.

But thats me, a proud Auntie and Mother of only canine kids.

[SaraSidle]

For myself......if it meant having good memories of my daughter versus nightmares about her death I swear I could handle just hanging onto my good memories and settle with the lock of hair as per the advise of the police.

Yeah I'd take their word for it and accept what they are saying - knowing they likely have good reason.

But thats me, a proud Auntie and Mother of only canine kids.

Yeah I just might have to have one last hug. I am also a happy Aunt
and mother of feline kids.

I just hope like heck it is an open casket and Somer looks good for her family. either that or leave it closed obviously

[tarabull1]

Yeah I just might have to have one last hug. I am also a happy Aunt
and mother of feline kids.

I just hope like heck it is an open casket and Somer looks good for her family. either that or leave it closed obviously

http://www.wftv.com/video/21409330/index.html

The video at that link has some interesting info....

They claim Diena is being given a lock of Somers hair because her body will not be released in time for the services Monday & Tuesday....

And apparently that RSO Vinson that was working at Gano passed a LDT.

Additional info about another worker (named Kyle) at 1080 Gano claiming Somer said they were doing good work on that house?!?!??!

It just gets more and more difficult to wrap ones head around.

[SaraSidle]

http://www.wftv.com/video/21409330/index.html

The video at that link has some interesting info....

They claim Diena is being given a lock of Somers hair because her body will not be released in time for the services Monday & Tuesday....

And apparently that RSO Vinson that was working at Gano passed a LDT.

Additional info about another worker (named Kyle) at 1080 Gano claiming Somer said they were doing good work on that house?!?!??!

It just gets more and more difficult to wrap ones head around.

I wonder why they are keeping her body for so long. thanks for the links Tara

[tarabull1]

I wonder why they are keeping her body for so long. thanks for the links Tara

Hard to know.... I will drive to the end of the long list of "Questions We WANT Answered" and add it.

[SaraSidle]

Hard to know.... I will drive to the end of the long list of "Questions We WANT Answered" and add it.

thanks. not too fast tho. save on gas

[tarabull1]

thanks. not too fast tho. save on gas

ROTFLMAO!!! :thumbsup: GOOD point Sara!!

[SaraSidle]

I am falling asleep. on the links board The Indigo post is from the person who was at the house when Somer did not come home right?
:sleep:

[tarabull1]

I am falling asleep. on the links board The Indigo post is from the person who was at the house when Somer did not come home right?
:sleep:

YES....He is Somer's mom's friend, the details are laid out in the Missing Person Report. Did you see it?

[Ladygator]

Is it a different world for our kids?

'2009: A 7-year-old Orange Park girl goes missing as she walks home from school. 1974: Five girls, ages 6-12, disappear in Jacksonville in a three-month span.'

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-10-25/story/is_it_a_different_world_for_our_kids

[GentleBreeze]

Is it a different world for our kids?

'2009: A 7-year-old Orange Park girl goes missing as she walks home from school. 1974: Five girls, ages 6-12, disappear in Jacksonville in a three-month span.'

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-10-25/story/is_it_a_different_world_for_our_kids

OMG! I guess they never found those five little girls did they?

Thirty-five years ago, in October 1974, the big story in Jacksonville was the ongoing search for five girls, ages 6 to 12, who had disappeared in a three-month span.

There were front pages with pictures of children, some with gap-toothed smiles, each identified by single names. Jean, Annette, Mylette, Virginia, Ann.

There were descriptions of massive searches, shocked neighborhoods and worried parents.

There were quotes from people, wondering what had happened to the world they lived in.

[grammie/va]

This story is just heart breaking. Why have and do our kids suffer at the hands of the unknown? They all need justice!

[Ladygator]

OMG! I guess they never found those five little girls did they?

Thirty-five years ago, in October 1974, the big story in Jacksonville was the ongoing search for five girls, ages 6 to 12, who had disappeared in a three-month span.

There were front pages with pictures of children, some with gap-toothed smiles, each identified by single names. Jean, Annette, Mylette, Virginia, Ann.

There were descriptions of massive searches, shocked neighborhoods and worried parents.

There were quotes from people, wondering what had happened to the world they lived in.

The article says that one girls body was found. I guess the families of the others have never found out what happened to their Daughters. So sad!!

What is most surprising to me about this article, is that one of the Detectives in Somer's case almost had HIS Daughter abducted at the time Ted Bundy was in the area and his Son's quick thinking by writing down the tag number of the van was helpful in capturing Ted after he killed Kimberly in Lake City, the following day.:scared:

[Justice4all]

I'll be honest I'm shocked there has not been an arrest yet :crying:

[AmndaRcknwth]

http://www.wftv.com/video/21409330/index.html

The video at that link has some interesting info....

They claim Diena is being given a lock of Somers hair because her body will not be released in time for the services Monday & Tuesday....

And apparently that RSO Vinson that was working at Gano passed a LDT.

Additional info about another worker (named Kyle) at 1080 Gano claiming Somer said they were doing good work on that house?!?!??!

It just gets more and more difficult to wrap ones head around.


Strange that a 7yr old would run up to construction workers to tell them they're doing a good job.... when she was supposedly running off from her brother and sister because of a disagreement.

What exactly happened after she told that to this Kyle guy?

[Ladygator]

I'll be honest I'm shocked there has not been an arrest yet :crying:

Me too!

Hopefully, it will be soon. Like this week. I can't imagine living there and wondering "Who did it?"

[VC2]

Is it a different world for our kids?

'2009: A 7-year-old Orange Park girl goes missing as she walks home from school. 1974: Five girls, ages 6-12, disappear in Jacksonville in a three-month span.'

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-10-25/story/is_it_a_different_world_for_our_kids


It is not more dangerous now as far as stranger abductions go. They have happened for years many years including the "time we were all safe riding our bikes and walking to school". The difference now is the countrywide access to information both on the internet and on cable news. Most of us would never have heard of Somer or Elizabeths' disappearance 40 years ago unless we lived in the area. Particular shocking cases like multiple serial murders of children would be noted on national news but there wasnt; an internet or cable to be able to find out anything more.

Before you had no idea how many SO's lived near you because there was no registration process. Now you can look it up and scare yourself to death. I think its a useful tool but one that should be taken in context, that there were probably the same percentage when we were children too.

The important thing is to teach kids about stranger danger, to take regular precautions but not to have them live in a pretty prison. Let them play with their friends as a group, or walk to a friends in daylight that isn't to far away, they almost certainly will be fine just as you were. IF someone is stalkig them, then they will come into the bedroom at night if necessary to get them so there is no "safe" place. Whats important is they tell you if osmeone is looking at them or making them feel funny before it happens.

just my two cents

eta and Somer like most of these cases are exceptions. Coming into a bedroom, or taken in a split second of being out of sight. Things that could happen even with you nearby.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

The article says that one girls body was found. I guess the families of the others have never found out what happened to their Daughters. So sad!!

What is most surprising to me about this article, is that one of the Detectives in Somer's case almost had HIS Daughter abducted at the time Ted Bundy was in the area and his Son's quick thinking by writing down the tag number of the van was helpful in capturing Ted after he killed Kimberly in Lake City, the following day.:scared:

Oh thank you.

Ottis Toole was also from Jacksonville wasn't he?

imo

[TXGirl]

If this person (http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=36025)has already been questioned, I think a second look is needed....he lives on Gano, moved / registered this address at end of May.

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=36025

[RainyNiteNTx]

Does anyone know how much time elapsed from the time Somer's siblings arrived home and approximately when Somer should have arrived home (being that she was ahead of them)?

[AmndaRcknwth]

If this person (http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=36025)has already been questioned, I think a second look is needed....he lives on Gano, moved / registered this address at end of May.

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=36025


This is the guy the astros on WS have looked at, right?

[Rayosunshine]

http://www.wftv.com/video/21409330/index.html

The video at that link has some interesting info....

They claim Diena is being given a lock of Somers hair because her body will not be released in time for the services Monday & Tuesday....

And apparently that RSO Vinson that was working at Gano passed a LDT.

Additional info about another worker (named Kyle) at 1080 Gano claiming Somer said they were doing good work on that house?!?!??!

It just gets more and more difficult to wrap ones head around.


I think I would be inclined to delay the services until the body was released. What will they have for the public "viewing" an empty casket - I assumed it would be closed, since the mother cannot see her, but an empty casket just for the purpose of a service is not acceptable to me. Although I do have other thoughts concerning the "public" viewing, that is LE related. I can pm if interested, but would rather not post here.

[Rayosunshine]

Does anyone know how much time elapsed from the time Somer's siblings arrived home and approximately when Somer should have arrived home (being that she was ahead of them)?

I believe from the time line the time elapsed is about 40 - 45 minutes.

I still want to know why Sean sent the children out to look for her and stayed behind, twice. Something about Occam's Razor (term I learned from another forum, hope I spelled it right).

[Rayosunshine]

When the new week starts, without an arrest, what are working parents going to do, when their child/children walk home from school?

I would be terrified to let my child walk home alone. Hopefully MAP will have people along the routes that can watch out for the children. I know if I lived in the area, I would volunteer my services. Heck, I'd let the kids stay at my home until the parents could pick them up, free of charge. Sort of a "Somer's Sanctuary for children".

[RainyNiteNTx]

I believe from the time line the time elapsed is about 40 - 45 minutes.

I still want to know why Sean sent the children out to look for her and stayed behind, twice. Something about Occam's Razor (term I learned from another forum, hope I spelled it right).

Thanks so much - The other siblings would have had to walk past the vacant house also that is considered a possible crime scene, right - possibly where Somer was being attacked?

[GentleBreeze]

I believe from the time line the time elapsed is about 40 - 45 minutes.

I still want to know why Sean sent the children out to look for her and stayed behind, twice. Something about Occam's Razor (term I learned from another forum, hope I spelled it right).

I thought I read that he did go search for Somer.

I truly believe LE does not feel that anyone in Somer's home had anything to do with this.

They haven't even searched their home have they? I am sure the media would have been all over it if they had. I think LE thinks Somer never made it home.

imo

[Barbara fl.]

It is not more dangerous now as far as stranger abductions go. They have happened for years many years including the "time we were all safe riding our bikes and walking to school". The difference now is the countrywide access to information both on the internet and on cable news. Most of us would never have heard of Somer or Elizabeths' disappearance 40 years ago unless we lived in the area. Particular shocking cases like multiple serial murders of children would be noted on national news but there wasnt; an internet or cable to be able to find out anything more.

Before you had no idea how many SO's lived near you because there was no registration process. Now you can look it up and scare yourself to death. I think its a useful tool but one that should be taken in context, that there were probably the same percentage when we were children too.

The important thing is to teach kids about stranger danger, to take regular precautions but not to have them live in a pretty prison. Let them play with their friends as a group, or walk to a friends in daylight that isn't to far away, they almost certainly will be fine just as you were. IF someone is stalkig them, then they will come into the bedroom at night if necessary to get them so there is no "safe" place. Whats important is they tell you if osmeone is looking at them or making them feel funny before it happens.

just my two cents

eta and Somer like most of these cases are exceptions. Coming into a bedroom, or taken in a split second of being out of sight. Things that could happen even with you nearby.

imo


Your right, one can never be too cautious....but I try like he!!...I drive the children where they have to go and pick them up...I watch my granddaughter even if she is going to the mail box....Also, it is good to let the young ones see the news so they don't think your lying to them about strangers...I make the kids get in the car and put the latch down before I go to the drivers side...

But if the laws were a little more harsher maybe we wouldn't have so many SO out here.....I don't get what turns these freaks on about children?....How can there be so many sicko's in this world? If you want to see your children again you have to take every precaution there is.....They all need to be castrated with the first offense so that they can't do it again.....How many children have to be murderd before the law realizes that it is out of control...

This sicko that did this to little Somer probably lives right in that area...he was probably at the vigil for her. They know how to slip around and they know the law is not going to do that much to them....jmo

[Barbara fl.]

I thought I read that he did go search for Somer.

I truly believe LE does not feel that anyone in Somer's home had anything to do with this.

They haven't even searched their home have they? I am sure the media would have been all over it if they had. I think LE thinks Somer never made it home.

imo


Yes, I believe I read also that he went out looking after the children came back and said they couldn't find her....I also agree that Somer never made it home and that this is not family related...This was an outsider that grabbed an opportunity of a little girl being alone...And because I believe it was a spur of the moment thing, that the sicko left behine a lot of dna and other evidence....I have hope that they will make an arrest shortly....

[beachpatty]

I do feel that an arrest will be made soon (I hope), I agree that if the encounter was a spur of the moment action, it's quite possible that DNA was left, the sick perp not being prepared or preplanned. At least this is not a finger pointing type situation like in the cases of Trenton Duckett or Haleigh Cummings, where both sides of both families were suspect @ some point in the investigations. This does seem to appear to be a stranger or at least someone not connected to the family, possibly someone that lives in the neighborhood, maybe watching her or watching for a chance to grab a small child, much like couey did to Jessica Lunsford.
It os just heartbreaking to watch Somer's Mom, she is still so in shock, I pray for her when the media dies down & the reality hits her, she seems very strong & she has concern of her other babies in mind with every question she answers, a Good Mother.
God be with them,
Beachpatty
MOO

[Nascargal]

I keep hoping to come here and see a arrest:sad:

[Dunlurken]

I keep hoping to come here and see a arrest:sad:

Don't hold your breath. :crying:

[desmom]

Investigators Continue Work Sunday On Somer Thompson Case
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=147164&catid=3

[sunstar]

Strange that a 7yr old would run up to construction workers to tell them they're doing a good job.... when she was supposedly running off from her brother and sister because of a disagreement.

What exactly happened after she told that to this Kyle guy?

Hi Amanda! I can see an outgoing, friendly child who had probably passed by that house every day on her way home saying something like that. Her problem that afternoon seemed to be with other kids, not the workers at the house. I too would like to know if he saw anything, like where she went afterward, and if this was before or after the boy who said she had a frown on her face saw her. MOO

[sunstar]

Yes, I believe I read also that he went out looking after the children came back and said they couldn't find her....I also agree that Somer never made it home and that this is not family related...This was an outsider that grabbed an opportunity of a little girl being alone...And because I believe it was a spur of the moment thing, that the sicko left behine a lot of dna and other evidence....I have hope that they will make an arrest shortly....

I don't think it was anything planned either due to the manner she was disposed of. Somebody in the neighborhood, imo, took advantage of her being alone. MOO

[*Serenity*]

Don't hold your breath. :crying:

Just curious why you think this?

I am pretty impressed with LE actions and quick response to Somer's Amber Alert, and locating her body so quickly. I am also impressed with the man hours put into this case with following up on all the RSO's and the hundreds of leads/tips. AND the man hours/ CSI team at the vacant house.

This case is not giving the public what they want to know right now, which I think is another wise decision on LE part. They will NOT release the COD and are not leaking any information about this investigation. SMART move and Dr.G also thinks this is very wise for the investigation as well.

We are spoiled with getting quick information about so many cases, and most of the time the quick information is reported falsely.

In my opinion I think LE knows exactly who they are looking at, and they could be waiting on DNA and examining a lot of evidence. Getting the right perp and nailing him/her down to no doubt.

Justice for Somer.

[sunstar]

I didn't let my kids run around alone, but my oldest child was like that. Friendly, outgoing. Went up to a police car and patted it while the cop was standing there....told him he had nice wheels. My child was in second grade. :tonguewag::biggrin:

Yes and that's what I could see Somer doing too with this construction guy as she walked past the house. :smile: MOO

[girlspell]

Just curious why you think this?

I am pretty impressed with LE actions and quick response to Somer's Amber Alert, and locating her body so quickly. I am also impressed with the man hours put into this case with following up on all the RSO's and the hundreds of leads/tips. AND the man hours/ CSI team at the vacant house.

This case is not giving the public what they want to know right now, which I think is another wise decision on LE part. They will NOT release the COD and are not leaking any information about this investigation. SMART move and Dr.G also thinks this is very wise for the investigation as well.

We are spoiled with getting quick information about so many cases, and most of the time the quick information is reported falsely.

In my opinion I think LE knows exactly who they are looking at, and they could be waiting on DNA and examining a lot of evidence. Getting the right perp and nailing him/her down to no doubt.

Justice for Somer.

It was somebody smart on that team that thought of a landfill. But no reason to think they will arrest anybody too soon. Too many other kid murders that grow cold. Like Neviaeh Buchanan. Or even finding Haleigh Cummings. Hope they do arrest somebody, and not let a cold case take over.

[*Serenity*]

It was somebody smart on that team that thought of a landfill. But no reason to think they will arrest anybody too soon. Too many other kid murders that grow cold. Like Neviaeh Buchanan. Or even finding Haleigh Cummings. Hope they do arrest somebody, and not let a cold case take over.


As horrible as this crime is and so many predators amongst us, I am truly glad this family has Somer back. They will not have to live their lives wondering where she is.

Trenton still haunts me with not knowing what Melinda did with that baby...!! And- Haleigh I think will be another case like Trenton. LE in Haleigh's case didn't have a chance from the get-go with the false information, which is a different topic / thread altogether.

Police vet more than 1,000 tips in girl's death! (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g0ZKNq-opItZX0tIqxh3XHB2v9WQD9BI5HB00)

[AmndaRcknwth]

No link so I'll say IMO..

The neighborhood there has started a "purple is safe" program since Somer's death.
The children only have to look for "purple notices(?)" to know help is there if they need it.

Purple was one of Somer's favorite colors.

MOO

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/special/somer/news-article.aspx?storyid=147076

So far, it's a plan, but I think these Moms will follow through.

[*Serenity*]

No link so I'll say IMO..

The neighborhood there has started a "purple is safe" program since Somer's death.
The children only have to look for "purple notices(?)" to know help is there if they need it.

Purple was one of Somer's favorite colors.

MOO

Predators could easily dress in purple which would be easy for them to lure a child into their sick game. Guess I just think of the worst in these monsters--they hunt and work on their hunting skills daily, in their sick twisted minds.:mad:

As for SP I have questions about him as well, and why that day of all days he was at that home? Then- I think how could he have possibly known Somer would run ahead that day?

[*Serenity*]

They sorted through more than 200,000 tons of garbage before their worst fears were realized: Sticking out of the rubbish were a child's lifeless legs.

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/national_world&id=7081964


WOW... 200,000 tons of garbage had to be like finding a needle in a haystack job.

[Chica]

That's a good question!
Also the one that has my hinkey-meter working overtime..

MOO

Mine isn't. Unless they had a rule that you MUST come directly home from school, children dilly dally and I feel Sean thought it wasn't that late. imo

[CC I See]

Predators could easily dress in purple which would be easy for them to lure a child into their sick game. Guess I just think of the worst in these monsters--they hunt and work on their hunting skills daily, in their sick twisted minds.:mad:

As for SP I have questions about him as well, and why that day of all days he was at that home? Then- I think how could he have possibly known Somer would run ahead that day?

Somer was seven... even running as fast as she could ahead of everyone, I don't think that she could have arrived home with very much time elapsing before her brother and sister got there.

If they stopped off somewhere to talk to friends, that would add some time but still not enough, in my opinion for any opportunity of foul play at the house.

[Kelly3820]

I think she ran ahead, was proabably mad at big sis and thinking that she was going to get in trouble cause of the fight at school, perhaps was thinking of hiding and jumping out at them as they walked by. This monster took an opportunity that just happened so quickly poor Somer didn't have a chance. I think of the guilt of the older sis must feel and my heart breaks. I mean if just running ahead of a group within minutes and your world comes to this outcome,,,,how do we protect our babies?

[tarabull1]

Predators could easily dress in purple which would be easy for them to lure a child into their sick game. Guess I just think of the worst in these monsters--they hunt and work on their hunting skills daily, in their sick twisted minds.:mad:

As for SP I have questions about him as well, and why that day of all days he was at that home? Then- I think how could he have possibly known Somer would run ahead that day?

HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING OF COURSE:
He didn't know she would....but the opportunity may have simply knocked and he answered (STS)

NOT saying that's what happened....JUST saying.

[CC I See]

I think she ran ahead, was proabably mad at big sis and thinking that she was going to get in trouble cause of the fight at school, perhaps was thinking of hiding and jumping out at them as they walked by. This monster took an opportunity that just happened so quickly poor Somer didn't have a chance. I think of the guilt of the older sis must feel and my heart breaks. I mean if just running ahead of a group within minutes and your world comes to this outcome,,,,how do we protect our babies?

I don't think that we can until the people of this world have a change of heart and start protecting the young instead of the adults that live among us. For the most part, we know what we have to do... but haven't started yet.

[sunstar]

Mine isn't. Unless they had a rule that you MUST come directly home from school, children dilly dally and I feel Sean thought it wasn't that late. imo

I also read that the other sitter they had said this had happened before with Somer not coming directly home. MOO

[fastpitch]

When I was growing up in the 60s, the Safe Haven homes all had a sign of some sort in the window. If we were in trouble we could go there.

It would have to be a sign that isn't easily copied, though - and the shirts would have to be all one style, for a safety group to get started.

[CC I See]

I know........gosh to have a child disappear so quickly.

My dad earned a living via land payments he got in the mail. Before I started walking home in high school, he was always at the P.O. at 10 AM sharp when the mail was up. Once I started walking he timed it so he could watch me both ways even though it was just a few blocks.

Both my parents also taught me to tell them if ever a someone stared or looked at me funny. I can still remember every creepy one of them. One guy I know my dad and brothers must of run him out of town. Once I told........he was gone. But if we do not tell our kids what to watch out for, then they do not know.

One thing parents should also do is walk around your town with your kids. If you have a bus system, take it with your kids and teach them how to use it. It sounds so simple but I walk as much as possible and I see kids making all kinds of mistakes.

This is excellent advice.... and well worth repeating and passing on. Thank you.

[5boxersmom]

LOL.........

One of my twin sons has always been a wanderer. Their elementary school is one block from the ocean. At recess he would head to the beach. We did not know what to do about it till one day a very famous fisherman down here came to the school and told him that if he quit doing it, then he would take him out on one of his fishing boat. It worked......thank God!!

It takes a village!

BBM

Yes it does. I sit out on my deck or in my yard and sometimes some of the neighbor kids are riding bikes or skateboarding. I keep an eye on them. Watch for strange cars and such. They don't even know I am doing it. These are even older kids. 12 and 13. Besides being an overprotective parent I have read so much about these cases. I shouldn't even say overprotective because in this day and age I am not so sure you can be.

I wonder if some parents read more on these cases if they would be more protective? I know so many on here are.

Education for the parents and the kids. I talk to my 4 year old grandson about dangers. Not all the time and not to make him scared just go over things with him.

There does need to be tougher laws for SO's. I think some of them just learn after being caught the first time not to leave a witness so they kill them the next time. jmo

jmo

[tarabull1]

When I was growing up in the 60s, the Safe Haven homes all had a sign of some sort in the window. If we were in trouble we could go there.

It would have to be a sign that isn't easily copied, though - and the shirts would have to be all one style, for a safety group to get started.

I know I've posted before but here in Canada we have Block Parents...

Here's how it works - taken from here: http://www.blockparent.ca/about.htm#how

[snipped...] Block Parents are responsible adults who care sufficiently about the well-being of children and others to volunteer their homes as a temporary refuge in an emergency. All Block Parents are screened by the police and are given instructions on the program by local volunteers. The Block Parent® window sign is shown only when someone over the age of 18 is available to answer the door. If the sign is not displayed, this does not mean that no one is home, only that the Block Parent® is not available to offer immediate assistance. In addition to the primary goal of making communities safer for children, the Block Parent® Program deters criminals and trouble makers. The network of Block Parent® homes is a visible reminder that citizens are watchful in their neighbourhood.

[GentleBreeze]

Au contraire V, kidnappings, abductions and child murders ARE UP.
http://child-abuse.suite101.com/article.cfm/statistics_on_child_abduction

and this

http://www.life-prints.com/ChildAbductionPrevention.html


LE said that the sexual offenders that are registered are not suspect in this case. Imo, Somer was taken and murdered by someone she knows.
Impatiently waiting for an arrest.

I know that LE has now interviewed the registered sex offenders but I didn't know that they had ruled anyone out.

Can you remember which article it was that said they had been ruled out?

thanks.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Somer was seven... even running as fast as she could ahead of everyone, I don't think that she could have arrived home with very much time elapsing before her brother and sister got there.

If they stopped off somewhere to talk to friends, that would add some time but still not enough, in my opinion for any opportunity of foul play at the house.

Has LE done a search warrant at Somer's home?

imo

[tarabull1]

Has LE done a search warrant at Somer's home?

imo


NO not that we are being told.

[5boxersmom]

Hi there Boxer!!

ITA a million times over. I am very protective of kids. And yes you are so right they graduate to killing so they will not leave a witness.

I think it is someone who does not live alone or live somewhere that would have made it hard to sneak poor little Somer in. I also think they may have disposed of her during daylight or else they would of picked a body of water instead. God this is just so sick to be thinking about.......yet again, another poor innocent child!!

We have got to do something about this. I am dead serious when I say if there were some kind of sickness out there that drove a certain part of the population to prey upon government officials.......then they would find a way to either lock those people up for good or be able to track them once they are let out. And I do not think they would opt for a the system put in place now for the RSO. It just is not enough!

ITA with everything you have said.

We live in a rural area and down the road about a 1 mile is a RSO. When my Nephew or Niece leave my house I watch them walk home. I do not go in until I see them go in their house. It is not far at all from my house to my sister's. Still I am not taking any chances. She watches them walk over and I watch them walk home. Crazy isn't it? I always told them if they were outside and someone tried to get them to run to Buster, my dog if he is in the backyard. He would not let anyone hurt those kids. Plus he would bark like crazy and alert us. I have also told them and my grandson about running and screaming even if someone has a gun. Chances are they will not shoot that gun and draw attention to themselves and even if they do shoot and you are running in a zig zag pattern small chance they will hit you. We have also talked about where to hit and poke their eyes.

What else can you do?

And it is sad about the lady who was watching kids for her friends and she had to quit. Those kids were safe with her.

jmo

[KaraokeDiva]

I know........gosh to have a child disappear so quickly.

My dad earned a living via land payments he got in the mail.
<snipped>Off topic, but what are land payments? Do you mean your dad simply had so much land he could sell it off to support the family?:confused:

On topic...I'm not so sure that harsher punishments will stop pedophiles from molesting kids...it might just make them more prone to killing their victims to prevent them from telling anyone. If the punishment for molestation is the same as the punishment for murder, what incentive does the pedophile have to let their victim live? It is possible to recover from molestation but it's impossible to recover from death.

jmo

Oh, and I"m not meaning to direct this comment to your directly tree tree, just offering my 2 cents on the topic of how to stop this. I don't know that pedophiles can be stopped....they have been around since the beginning of humanity.... It just didn't used to get talked about except in whispers....

[desmom]

Predators could easily dress in purple which would be easy for them to lure a child into their sick game. Guess I just think of the worst in these monsters--they hunt and work on their hunting skills daily, in their sick twisted minds.:mad:

As for SP I have questions about him as well, and why that day of all days he was at that home? Then- I think how could he have possibly known Somer would run ahead that day?

psst Rucky Ron's post said "purple notices". It sounds very similar to the the McGruff Safe House Program. Houses or businesses are designated by a specified emblem or symbol. The houses and businesses that display the sign are checked before they can become a part of the program.

We have a Safe House program. There are several block captains that constantly monitor their blocks for "fake" signs. Our Safe Houses are a place a child can go to at any time for help.

jmo

[GentleBreeze]

NO not that we are being told.

Thank you, tara.

I think if it did happen the media would have been all over it.

Seems LE believes Somer never made it to her house.

imo

[CC I See]

Thank you, tara.

I think if it did happen the media would have been all over it.

Seems LE believes Somer never made it to her house.

imo

.... and I believe it as well. There just wasn't enough time for her to have made it there.

[*Serenity*]

psst Rucky Ron's post said "purple notices". It sounds very similar to the the McGruff Safe House Program. Houses or businesses are designated by a specified emblem or symbol. The houses and businesses that display the sign are checked before they can become a part of the program.

We have a Safe House program. There are several block captains that constantly monitor their blocks for "fake" signs. Our Safe Houses are a place a child can go to at any time for help.

jmo

The families were also discussing dressing in purple like a 'kids' neighborhood type watch. (purple-- in honor of Somer's color)

:biggrin:

Either way-- I'm just glad The Mothers Against Predators are all coming together, and looking for a solution to help each other with all children.

[sunstar]

.... and I believe it as well. There just wasn't enough time for her to have made it there.

I don't think she ever made it home either. Like you said, there wasn't enough time for anything to happen there before the other kids arrived home. MOO

[*Serenity*]

ORANGE PARK, FL -- Hundreds of people showed up to donate and offer support at a fundraiser for Somer Thompson's family at Orange Park's Town Hall.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=147166&catid=3


I haven't heard or read any news about the Memorial being cancelled, since the news happened earlier about Somer not being released in time. Anyone know?

[*Serenity*]

Saturday, Nov. 21, a motorcycle poker run is scheduled to benefit Somer’s family. The event entitled ‘Somer’s Bike Ride,’ will begin at Bayard Rooster, located at 12661 Phillips Hwy, beginning at 9:30 a.m. The event will include a fish fry and live entertainment. The ride will end at Whitney’s Fish Camp and will cost $15 per bike for those who preregister and $20 for those who register the day of the event. Anyone wishing to participate should contact Laura at 904-683-6372

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m10d25-Fundraisers-held-for-slain-Florida-girl-Somer-Thompson-bike-ride-scheduled-for-Nov

[5boxersmom]

You sound like me!!!.......My oldest twin by a minute is a lineman and at 16 he is 6`6 and weighs almost 300 lbs.and bench presses even more. Still I go over and over all kinds of safety issues with them both. I do it with their friends also. Another thing I figured out is teenagers can make some pretty bad drivers. I have had to get onto 2 of their friends who are really great kids, just bad drivers. If you have teenagers who drive over to your house, think of an excuse to go for a ride with them.........it only takes a block or so and you will see what I mean. Have another parent do it with your kid.

You know I feel like I know Somer. I feel just terrible about all of these cases.......but sometimes I really identify with some of them more. I was like her and if it were not for my older brothers and over protective parents.........I could of easily ended up the same way. It just makes me so sick.

Oh I went through the whole accident thing with my son. Scare a person to death.

I feel that way too about Somer.

Maybe we should start a thread about safety advice and hints we all could give each other for our kids and grandkids.

Poor little Nevaeh hasn't gotten to see justice yet. I can't believe there has not been an arrest in her case.

jmo

[*Serenity*]

It's not THE solution but it is something... :smile:


Oh I totally agree with you on that, and it is fantastic to see this community pull together, and start taking action. It's easy to sit at home and complain, and expect changes. This community is getting together and putting plans into action. Kudos!!

We need to see a lot of communities doing the same, in my opinion.

[5boxersmom]

Predators could easily dress in purple which would be easy for them to lure a child into their sick game. Guess I just think of the worst in these monsters--they hunt and work on their hunting skills daily, in their sick twisted minds.:mad:

As for SP I have questions about him as well, and why that day of all days he was at that home? Then- I think how could he have possibly known Somer would run ahead that day?

Who was usually there for the kids? SP wasn't alway there?

[*Serenity*]

Who was usually there for the kids? SP wasn't alway there?

They also have a babysitter.

The babysitter is the one who made the statement that Somer did NOT always come home with the other kids. Somer's Mother even provided the sitter with a list of friends/phone numbers for when this happened.

The babysitter also let it be known Somer liked tree houses and pools, however --- NO information about where Somer actually went on the occassions she did not come home on time.

[*Serenity*]

I think so too Beach......I think it was someone who has been lurking around. Perhaps someone has spotted him/her in the past. God I also keep thinking about the first report about the women and 2 men driving around trying to get kids. Very doubtful they did this, but what will they do next????

In the hospital when I had my twins they showed me video of diaper rashes and how bad it can be. What they ought to be showing is film of child abductions. I think we learn as we go a lot and from our own parents.


Since this is NOT the first time Somer has NOT went home on time with the other children, I believe she made trips to that vacant house.
She liked tree houses... no this was not a tree house, but a vacant hide out type of place. AND with all the predators in the area with that school right there-- well what a perect hunting ground!!

I think Somer did infact know someone from that vacant house and he was familiar to her. I think he has been waiting for just the right window of opportunity to finalize his sick fantasy.

Just my opinion though.

[5boxersmom]

They also have a babysitter.

The babysitter is the one who made the statement that Somer did NOT always come home with the other kids. Somer's Mother even provided the sitter with a list of friends/phone numbers for when this happened.

The babysitter also let it be known Somer liked tree houses and pools, however --- NO information about where Somer actually went on the occassions she did not come home on time.

Oh okay. I do remember reading some of that now that you mention it. Thanks

[5boxersmom]

Since this is NOT the first time Somer has NOT went home on time with the other children, I believe she made trips to that vacant house.
She liked tree houses... no this was not a tree house, but a vacant hide out type of place. AND with all the predators in the area with that school right there-- well what a perect hunting ground!!

I think Somer did infact know someone from that vacant house and he was familiar to her. I think he has been waiting for just the right window of opportunity to finalize his sick fantasy.

Just my opinion though.

You could be right or heck it could be a parent of one of the kids who walked the same route and saw his opportunity.

How old was the babysitter? Could it have been someone associated with her and knew Somer would do this?

So many questions.

jmo

[*Serenity*]

You could be right or heck it could be a parent of one of the kids who walked the same route and saw his opportunity.

How old was the babysitter? Could it have been someone associated with her and knew Somer would do this?

So many questions.

jmo

I'm not sure and I don't know her name, so if she is on the Police Report I have no way of knowing anything else about her. Tis another mystery.

Also curious if she was ever reprimanded for NOT coming home with the other children like she was suppose to, and did anyone question her whereabouts? Did she happen to tell any other children or her siblings where she went, or was this her little secret? Did the predator make sure this was 'their' little secret, ie-- the vacant house for when she was upset? Mind boggling!

[CC I See]

I'm not sure and I don't know her name, so if she is on the Police Report I have no way of knowing anything else about her. Tis another mystery.

Also curious if she was ever reprimanded for NOT coming home with the other children like she was suppose to, and did anyone question her whereabouts? Did she happen to tell any other children or her siblings where she went, or was this her little secret? Did the predator make sure this was 'their' little secret, ie-- the vacant house for when she was upset? Mind boggling!

You mean she might have had a secret pal, someone she talked to about being mad at other kids about? That is very possible.

[Leanne Weich]

I think I would be inclined to delay the services until the body was released. What will they have for the public "viewing" an empty casket - I assumed it would be closed, since the mother cannot see her, but an empty casket just for the purpose of a service is not acceptable to me. Although I do have other thoughts concerning the "public" viewing, that is LE related. I can pm if interested, but would rather not post here.

Please pm me Rayo. As far as the empty casket is concerned, maybe she would. I know when my brother died, my sister totally freaked out at the memorial service for him because she couldn't believe a 6'5" person could possibly have fitted into the coffin (optical illusion I believe), so when my dad died, my mom had his service with no coffin in the church. It's weird, I know, but seems to not be out of the norm. in South Africa. I've been to many services where the coffin is not in the church. In fact, I can't remember if my granddaughter's was or not. In fact, I don't think it was because her service was held at the church adjoining the funeral home and I went to the funeral home two hours before her service and sat with her. I took her out of her casket and just held her drinking in every detail of her tiny face and hands. She died whilst I was en route from Australia so I never got to see her in life. That is about my last memory of the day of her service so I may be wrong about her casket not being in the church. This is going to bug me until the right occasion presents itself for me to ask my DD.

[*Serenity*]

You mean she might have had a secret pal, someone she talked to about being mad at other kids about? That is very possible.


Yea... something pretty much like that..! AND her secret pal was a monster prepping her for when he was ready to act on his dirty deed!

It is really sad to know she was comfortable enough to take off ahead with no fear. Her older sister apparently was pretty conditioned to this as well, and she always came home--- later on.

I can't imagine all of the what if's going on right now and especially with Somer's horrific murder.

[desmom]

The families were also discussing dressing in purple like a 'kids' neighborhood type watch. (purple-- in honor of Somer's color)

:biggrin:

Either way-- I'm just glad The Mothers Against Predators are all coming together, and looking for a solution to help each other with all children.

Oh, sorry. I missed that.

The Mothers Against Predators sounds like a good thing. There are a lot of different internet sites that offer tips and information on how to set up Safe House programs. I wish more neighborhoods and communities would use them.

[*Serenity*]

Fundraiser: amazing community pulling together--



http://jacksonville.com/video?bcpid=1842749457&bclid=1842745247&bctid=46266739001

[Rayosunshine]

Has LE done a search warrant at Somer's home?

imo

Not that I know of. Seems the home would have been the first place searched they they would fan out, at least that is what I thought they usually did. Unless they did and none of the media picked up on it.

[VC2]

Oh I went through the whole accident thing with my son. Scare a person to death.

I feel that way too about Somer.

Maybe we should start a thread about safety advice and hints we all could give each other for our kids and grandkids.

Poor little Nevaeh hasn't gotten to see justice yet. I can't believe there has not been an arrest in her case.

jmo

I think there is more hope here, in Neveah's case LE was way to quick to get tunnel vision on her friend. He didn't fit the profile at all imo for someone who would abduct a little girl, his SO past didn't either and he had a decent if not perfect alibi. (pefect would be more suspicious lol) plus he knew if anything happened to anyone, child or not, he was going back to prison for his parole violation..not stupid, if he was going to take a kid it wouldn't be a friends who he could be tied to. his situation was unique in that sense.

LE sometimes does that, they decide who is the killer, go all out to prove it and then...by the time they either can't prove it or manage to make a circumstantial case against an innocent person it is to late.

Somer's case is one where LE seems to be doing the opposite. Rather than assume it is the guy at the home or even GV they are ruling out as needed, giving ldt's and remembering for example the whole town knew about the burned out house so it hardly had to be someone who worked on it (as an example). They seem to be following all avenues and looking at everyone.

I don't think they know who it is yet (or at least didn't yesterday, who knows what happened today) but they aren't going to make the mistake of ignoring any possible lead.

imo

[lune3]

Has it ever been reported whether that vacant house was normally locked? and when workmen were in there last, and if there was ever a guy working in there alone? These are questions I'd like answers to. I guess we can assume that whoever worked in there were questioned, and if they had alibis for that day.

Then again, that house appears to have a big yard, lots of trees, anything could have happened outside of the home, and still be out of sight.

[KaraokeDiva]

KD........what I am wanting is a way to tract the SO that are let out on the streets. Registering them and harsher laws are not enough. They need to have GPS chips inserted into them for life as just one condition of their release. I forget the number, but I believe it is over 100,000 RSO ARE MISSING........Mark K mentioned it the other night on NG. We can track them after a crime with DNA.......we need to be able to track them INSTANTLY. We also need to be able to track the children.

O/F.......My dad bought property at auctions then sold it.I could get on board with a plan to implant gps devices on sexual predators. :)

Last off topic...Cool that your dad could make a living that way and be home to be a daddy so much of the time.

[debbadoo]

The article says that one girls body was found. I guess the families of the others have never found out what happened to their Daughters. So sad!!

What is most surprising to me about this article, is that one of the Detectives in Somer's case almost had HIS Daughter abducted at the time Ted Bundy was in the area and his Son's quick thinking by writing down the tag number of the van was helpful in capturing Ted after he killed Kimberly in Lake City, the following day.:scared:


OMG, when I read that part in Ann Rule's book, it gave me the shivers......and again when I just read the second paragraph. :scared:

[tarabull1]

.... and I believe it as well. There just wasn't enough time for her to have made it there.

Class was dismissed at 2:32...
Siblings arrived home at 3:10...

Just curious, where do you (CC I) SEE there just wasn't enough time???

[sunstar]

Class was dismissed at 2:32...
Siblings arrived home at 3:10...

Just curious, where do you (CC I) SEE there just wasn't enough time???

I think that was about the time between when Somer would've gotten home (if she'd made it and that's where something happened) and when her siblings arrived. :smile: MOO

[tarabull1]

Do you know what time the other kids last saw Somer? OR maybe I should ask what time she ran away from the group?

No...

Does anyone?

[sunstar]

If we can find that out, we'll know (possibly know) when Somer was taken. Of course, there is always the possibility Somer sat down somewhere to rest a few minutes before she was taken. The timeline just seems so tight and that leads me to believe she got into a car with someone.

The little boy said he saw her running around the propane (?) tanks, which are a couple properties before the burned house. Maybe she was hiding from the group of kids (including her siblings), they walk past, then she goes on toward the burned house? I'm thinking whatever happened to her, could've been anytime before people were out looking for her, or maybe even while they were if they weren't looking in the right places. MOO

[*Serenity*]

If we can find that out, we'll know (possibly know) when Somer was taken. Of course, there is always the possibility Somer sat down somewhere to rest a few minutes before she was taken. The timeline just seems so tight and that leads me to believe she got into a car with someone.


The timeline is very tight and also very close to the Gano burnt home.
Since we know Somer had a history of not returning home with the other children prior to this, in my opinion she was familiar this burnt house. Hideout type of place, and had become aquainted with a secret pal there. Her predator in my opinion prepared himself and her for a comfort zone, and finally-- he had his perfect opportunity.

[lune3]

The timeline is very tight and also very close to the Gano burnt home.
Since we know Somer had a history of not returning home with the other children prior to this, in my opinion she was familiar this burnt house. Hideout type of place, and had become aquainted with a secret pal there. Her predator in my opinion prepared himself and her for a comfort zone, and finally-- he had his perfect opportunity.

It's possible. If he stayed or hung around there wouldn't neighbours have seen this guy? When was the last time this house was worked on? Was it normally locked? If this was some sort of secret pal, I expect he would have been either young or an older kind looking man, someone Somer would have trusted. Then again, any age guy who wasn't scary or rough looking could have groomed her. I don't know, it's baffling.
I wonder if LE found any items in the yard, playthings, stuffed toys...like gifts. I wonder if the back of that house is fully fenced and private.

[sunstar]

That makes sense. I can remember hiding from my brothers like that. Maybe it is someone new to the area who just drives around like that after school, just waiting for the oppurtunity. It is just so hard to imagine.

I just don't get the feeling the perp used a car. I think it was somebody on one of the properties she was on, or lives close by, maybe even somebody she'd talked to before. Or they could've been watching her from the park area, across the street from burned house. MOO

[RainyNiteNTx]

I think that was about the time between when Somer would've gotten home (if she'd made it and that's where something happened) and when her siblings arrived. :smile: MOO

I've been curious about how many minutes passed before the other siblings arrived in front of the vacant house after Somer ran ahead? Was it ten minute? two minutes? 20 minutes?

[RainyNiteNTx]

The little boy said he saw her running around the propane (?) tanks, which are a couple properties before the burned house. Maybe she was hiding from the group of kids (including her siblings), they walk past, then she goes on toward the burned house? I'm thinking whatever happened to her, could've been anytime before people were out looking for her, or maybe even while they were if they weren't looking in the right places. MOO

I was wondering the same thing - if Somer was in that vacant house while her siblings walked by it, unaware she was in there. (if she was)

[sunstar]

I was wondering the same thing - if Somer was in that vacant house while her siblings walked by it, unaware she was in there. (if she was)

I think she would've been hiding by the propane tanks and wouldn't have gotten to the house yet. She couldn't have gotten too far ahead of them and she was seen around the tanks. MOO

[sunstar]

You know, I got lost one time.....long story......but once I knew I was lost I sat on a curb and cried until some teenage boys came by and helped me. Thankfully they were good boys.

Maybe he did not use a car I do not know. But I keep thinking he was in his 20s and white.

One thing we all know for sure Sun......he is a MONSTER!!........or she!!

You were so lucky they were nice! I'm not sure on the age of the perp yet, sometimes I think he could be a teenager or early 20s, and other times one of the older RSOs in the neighborhood. :shrug: MOO

[CC I See]

I've been curious about how many minutes passed before the other siblings arrived in front of the vacant house after Somer ran ahead? Was it ten minute? two minutes? 20 minutes?

Rainy, the only thing we can do is estimate... tarabull posted on page 5 that school let out shortly after 2:30 and the siblings arrived home at 3:10. It looks like a 40 minute walk and the house is about half way home? Just a guess there.

[sunstar]

Rainy, the only thing we can do is estimate... tarabull posted on page 5 that school let out shortly after 2:30 and the siblings arrived home at 3:10. It looks like a 40 minute walk and the house is about half way home? Just a guess there.
Way too long a walk for small children, imo. I still wonder why, if somebody was at Somer's house (babysitter, SP) why they couldn't have picked the kids up from school? MOO

[BobbysGirl]

Evening folks, checking in on any news. Obvious no one has found the perp.

Even being busy w/grandchildren B-Days this weekend, I hugged and loved them all so close. Somer has been on my mind.

I hope they find whoever took this beautiful childs life be found. I do have to commend the LE for all the hard work they are pursuing to get this person/persons.

Sad as it is, this child did not die in vain. Please try to understand where I am coming from. WE NEED #1 priority when it comes to children. In death, abuse, missing and nothing should ever hold back.
IMO I hope this awakens all law enforcement across the nation to never, ever take a missing child for granted. Time to jump on the bandwagon asap when a child is determined missing. No ifs, ands or buts.

I feel so for the family and the mother. Her heart is broken... I was so saddened to hear she 'even felt to blame'. Wished she could have done something. (paraphrase). I will pray for her and the rest of the family. No one parent should have to go through this. No society should either. No Never.

:(

BG

[BobbysGirl]

Way too long a walk for small children, imo. I still wonder why, if somebody was at Somer's house (babysitter, SP) why they couldn't have picked the kids up from school? MOO

Hi sunstar, it is too far for a young child to walk home.
What gets me, as all these prevention sites encourage young and old to walk in groups. For safety. But, unfotunate this case apparent did not work out. Safety in numbers? Not always, imo.

Something is very seriously wrong out there. Who knows what or why. I am 62 years old. I really did not know what a real predator was until about 15 yrs ago. Not, because of ignorance but it was rare to hear. The message needs to get out, via, public announcement. 'Protect our children, Be Vigilant, Be aware! It may be your own' on every billboard etc. Harsh as what I said....it may save lives. And blasted on TV as well.

I really really want all the children to be safe. As for parents who kill their own...a whole 'nother safety factor to be adressed.

BG

eta: a 3 yr old who knows my name walked & crossed a 4 corner mid section street and 4 houses past to hers from where she was playing at neighbors next door. ALONE and no adult around. How did that grab me??

[BobbysGirl]

So, I rant again. Sorry for taking time to post my ops and feelings. I get so frustrated. BP time. Med too.

Later

BG

[sunstar]

They start early and just keep on going........creepy to think about how many years they can go.

But you know someone has got to know something. I remember every wierdo that has ever given me the eye.......IYKWIM.......

Oh yes, I know. And I also remember being traumatized by older bully kids in my neighborhood when I was around Somer's age. So the perp could be just about anyone, imo. I just hope LE finds them soon. MOO

[sunstar]

Hi sunstar, it is too far for a young child to walk home.
What gets me, as all these prevention sites encourage young and old to walk in groups. For safety. But, unfotunate this case apparent did not work out. Safety in numbers? Not always, imo.

Something is very seriously wrong out there. Who knows what or why. I am 62 years old. I really did not know what a real predator was until about 15 yrs ago. Not, because of ignorance but it was rare to hear. The message needs to get out, via, public announcement. 'Protect our children, Be Vigilant, Be aware! It may be your own' on every billboard etc. Harsh as what I said....it may save lives. And blasted on TV as well.

I really really want all the children to be safe. As for parents who kill their own...a whole 'nother safety factor to be adressed.

BG

eta: a 3 yr old who knows my name walked & crossed a 4 corner mid section street and 4 houses past to hers from where she was playing at neighbors next door. ALONE and no adult around. How did that grab me??

I agree! I've looked at some google maps of the area, and there seems to be a lot of wooded area, homes not right on the street or behind trees, etc. and roads with no real sidewalks. There's no way these kids should be walking that far to and from school ~ even though it supposedly isn't that far in distance, 40 minutes is a long time. MOO

[sunstar]

Wow.........I just thought of something........the same maps we are using........the SO are probably using. Sure is spooky to think about.

4 mins is even too far.

The SO in the area though don't need maps ~ they are there and can watch every day. :scared:



It's late so I have to say good night ~ I pray tomorrow LE will have some good news for us about an arrest. :seeya:

[Rayosunshine]

Do they have school buses in Florida? That is ridiculous, 40 minutes to walk home. Good grief!

[debbadoo]

Lady I am a little mixed up......okay a lot.......are you saying that one of the Det working Somer`s case also has a daughter who had a run in with Bundy??

Yes, the Detective had a daughter that was almost grabbed by Bundy.... luckily for her, her brother came by to pick her up and Bundy took off. How scary is THAT? :scared: Unfortunately, Bundy murdered Kimberly Leach the next day. :sad: She was his last victim.....:sad:

[*Serenity*]

From the fundraiser today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-k2wzdbVdk

[spydernweb2006]

Do they have school buses in Florida? That is ridiculous, 40 minutes to walk home. Good grief!

When I lived in Daytona and Tampa the local school policy was NO BUSSES for kids unless they live 2 miles or more to the school. My Niece had to switch jobs so that she could walk her 7 year old the 1.9 miles to the school and home again. It boggles my in in this day and age that schools allow and condone this kind of policy. Heck most streets dont even have crossing guards anymore either.


JMHO

Hugs,

Spyder

[spydernweb2006]

I thought it was only 1/4 mile? How can that be a 40 minute walk?

Nope, 2 miles is the limit for bussing in most Fl school districts.
They refused to allow my Niece's daughter to ride the bus to school cause they lived only 1.9 miles and not over 2 miles. This was in Volusia Co/ Daytona Beach.


JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

[BobbysGirl]

Your whole post makes a lot of sense.

HI R*R As posted, Somer may have found a refuge. Has any one on this board think that Somer was a victim of a bully.
Obvious, many ages w/her at school. I know nothing of a tree house. Who knows what a child may seek out for comfort and refuge? And then her demise. It does happen, imo. Sad as this is, Somer is gone. Someone/or more preyed upon her. In trust. Any one know? Are LE tight lipped and may have a suspect. I pray so.

BG

[BobbysGirl]

When I lived in Daytona and Tampa the local school policy was NO BUSSES for kids unless they live 2 miles or more to the school. My Niece had to switch jobs so that she could walk her 7 year old the 1.9 miles to the school and home again. It boggles my in in this day and age that schools allow and condone this kind of policy. Heck most streets dont even have crossing guards anymore either.


JMHO

Hugs,

Spyder
This is disturbing to read. All I have to say on this matter. :(

BG

[BobbysGirl]

I agree! I've looked at some google maps of the area, and there seems to be a lot of wooded area, homes not right on the street or behind trees, etc. and roads with no real sidewalks. There's no way these kids should be walking that far to and from school ~ even though it supposedly isn't that far in distance, 40 minutes is a long time. MOO

You are right, no child should have to walk that distance. What disturbs me the most, that a predator could be a child. Not necessary a RSO. Or family. That is left to LE. fwiw

God, bless Somer.

[BobbysGirl]

BG...........I so agree with what you posted. It takes people getting frustrated. I know some co-worker, family member or someone knows something. And I see kids by themselves like that also. I walk all the time and so I see kids unattended. I could of took a hundred........at least. I go to the parents and tell them to be more careful. Pretty much they look at me like I am crazy.......lets face it, if you have to tell them.......then something is not right to begin with.

I do think this mother thought Somer was safe. She just did not count on them getting separated.

Have done so as well TREE, politely as a neighborhood watch. I have been told to myob. Crazy......yeah! I believe in the mother. As I posted, way earlier. How heart broken she is...and wish she could have done something different. (paraphrase) IMO So do many of us who have had our hearts torn out from the litttlest guilt to the major. :)

BG

[BobbysGirl]

Do they have school buses in Florida? That is ridiculous, 40 minutes to walk home. Good grief!

I will end my op, with this, for tonite. NO (at any age) child should ever be left unattended. Nor have to walk home. Alone or w/other children. I have to reiterate my convictions.
Geeeese. This is truly uncalled for. Time for all to speak up. NO matter what state we live in. For me, I am tired of what I have seen. I will report. Holler and contact powers that be. I am sick and tired of it. So much...that is hard to keep up w/all the dead and missing children that is constant in the news.

BG

[BobbysGirl]

You got that right........and we now all know it could be a female.

I have a funny feeling that 2 mile limit is fixing to change........at least I hope so.

TREE I do so pray. Maybe on the morrow?

[BobbysGirl]

Wow.........I just thought of something........the same maps we are using........the SO are probably using. Sure is spooky to think about.

4 mins is even too far.

Well put. I would never, ever under estimate anyone. One second-no one around-snatch. Shes gone. I got the guts n go to go. I found the a-hole who raped our 12 yr old. No need for sorry and such. I fight. I fight for cause. Reason and justice. Never mess with Texas! LOL

Good nite good people.

Hope morrow brings the news we need to hear.

God Bless.

BG

[BobbysGirl]

Very well put BG!! OMG.......GUILT.....Just inbreed in some of us.

I am forever wondering..... should I say something........should I not. And then there are some parents I want to skip the talking and start the you know what kicking.......about that time, they have another kid.

I actually got in a big argument with one lady over how she was talking to her little boy. The whole time I figured my twin sons were probably going to be mad at me for the whole mess it created.......They actually high fived me along with some of the strangers there. At least I know they will do the same out in the world.

:) Hug a tree TREE! I hear ya.

Love

G'nite.

[just42day97]

You got that right........and we now all know it could be a female.

I have a funny feeling that 2 mile limit is fixing to change........at least I hope so.

Hey everyone..sorry I've been gone all day..trying to catch up...
Has something been reported that the person that did this could be female? TIA!

[just42day97]

Oh no........sorry......I am just saying it because of the Sandra Cantu case. We have to worry and teach our kids about all age groups and sexes.........more to worry about.

ohh ok...thanks..I thought I had missed a really important PC today or something..
But yes you are so right it could be anyone..most of the time it's males..but not always....
I talk to my grandson, and nieces and newphews all the time about strangers....But Somers Mom said she did too....:(

[just42day97]

Good scenario sunstar and one that could be likely. I am tore up since there hasn't been an arrest. If an arrest isn't made Monday, LE will wait until after the funeral I bet.

I really thought there would be an arrest by now..LE was so fast in finding her, I just knew an arrest would come soon....but maybe they are running DNA and things like that..I just want this CREEP off the streets before another Child is hurt!

[just42day97]

just42day97,
I know! I just knew an arrest would be made in a day or too. I can't imagine how Somer's family and other parents in the neighborhood feel. They have to be living in fear.

OMG yes! they have to be living in fear...I would bet there are going to be far less Children walking to school now...
I can't even begin to think how Somer's family is feeling...
Praying for an arrest soon!!!! And when they do find the person who did this..( I don't even like calling it a person) I wished they would let Somer's Mom in a room with him for about 15 minutes...I bet they wished they had never seen Somer by the time she got finished..
Gosh...it's just so sad what some people do to our Children....:sad:

[just42day97]

Or from another area.

Okay I hope I have the figure right........Mark K said the other night on NG, that there are over 100,000 RSO MISSING........Even if there were 2 missing......the system is not working. Implanted, un-removable GPS chips are the only way to track them. If there were some kind of sickness that caused these monsters to prey upon government officials......then they would figure out a way to track them pronto.......OR- if their kids had no choice but to walk to school, they would track them......YESTERDAY!

Oh I sooo agree!!!
That just really concerns me that some buses won't pick Children up if they live 2 miles or closer to the school. how many working single moms do we have in this country? How do they really expect Children to get to school unless they walk when parents have to work? They really puts a burden on some....so sad...
Here local where I live that does not apply. A friend of mine lives about 5 blocks from her Son's school and he rides the bus..but nowdays they are making children walk further to bus stops..when I was in school the bus would stop at every house, now they get the kids to all meet at a certian block..so some kids have to walk a couple of blocks to wait for the bus..which now days aren't safe...

[MagicPool]

I don't think the person that did this knew Somer or her family. I think it was someone who saw kids walking home and decided this would be a good area to grab one. I posted an article yesterday about Ocala police looking for someone impersenating a police officer and I can't get that out of my head. Who do we tell our kids are "the good guys" and to go to or flag down if they need help? A Police Officer.
Not saying this is what happened, but hey, it's as good as any other theory. And would it strike anyone as "odd" if they saw a child talking to an Officer or getting into his "unmarked" car?? Would you look twice? I might look to see if I knew the officer or the child, but even here in my small town, I always see Officers on patrol that I dont recognize.

JMO

[just42day97]

You know being a family member to one of these monsters........would you not kinda suspect that they were not put together right. They have to be acting a whole lot different right about now. I always thought the Couie bunch should of been prosecuted.......

Once when one of my twins were running for school president, I joked with him and told him to be real nice to the younger girls and he said, "Ewwwwwww Gross". They have only had GF that are older. I kinda like that way.

I thought the same thing about the Couie bunch....
And yes, someone..somewhere knows something..and I think it's not just the person who did this..someone else knows something!

[BobbysGirl]

You should call CPS and report it....anonymously of course. You could be saving a child's life.

Thank you for your input. I have called CPS and Attorney General Office in downtown FW when CPS do not follow up. There has to be proof. And yes, I do work w/CPS. I am cautious and careful. I have saved a couple children. Be it known, sad, not enough. You can't imagine the family that skips town and we know nothing.. where or how the children are. Never ending task. Saving one is better than none.

Please, no hard feelings. The pain is tough enuf. The loss of a child is worse. The system needs to change. The outcry starts with us. And the outcry is becoming more prevalent. Speaking of reading here on the boards. I shared my thoughts and feelings and ops in above posts. What one can do

Justice for Somer and all the others missing, exploited etc.
Time is running out, imo.

TY,,,,,darn I don't know why I felt the need to log back on check in.

I for one do not know who,what,where,why killed Somer.
Only believe 'it/they' are another source of evil that must be stopped.

BG

[just42day97]

I don't think the person that did this knew Somer or her family. I think it was someone who saw kids walking home and decided this would be a good area to grab one. I posted an article yesterday about Ocala police looking for someone impersenating a police officer and I can't get that out of my head. Who do we tell our kids are "the good guys" and to go to or flag down if they need help? A Police Officer.
Not saying this is what happened, but hey, it's as good as any other theory. And would it strike anyone as "odd" if they saw a child talking to an Officer or getting into his "unmarked" car?? Would you look twice? I might look to see if I knew the officer or the child, but even here in my small town, I always see Officers on patrol that I dont recognize.

JMO

The sad thing is we teach our Children to respect and obey LE...You have a great point what if the person who did this was impersenating an officer?
I tell my Grandson who stays by himself about 30 minutes some days a week, not to open the door for anyone! Not even if they say they are the police...I tell him to call 911....( so sad we live in a world like this..)

[tarabull1]

I thought it was only 1/4 mile? How can that be a 40 minute walk?

The distance from the Thompson home to Grove Park Elementary is 1 mile - google says that's a 19 minute walk...tho kids lolligag. Maybe the siblings were slower on the day Somer vanished (since school let out at 2:32 and SP claims they arrived home at 3:10 as per MPR) IDK.

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=1643+Miller+St,+Orange+Park,+FL+32073,+Unite d+States+(Grove+Park+Elementary+School)&daddr=1706+Horton+Dr,+Bellair-Meadowbrook+Terrace,+FL+32073,+USA&geocode=FV9bzAEdzywh-yEPeH6EvUI3ug%3B&hl=en&mra=cc&dirflg=w&sll=30.17307,-81.71786&sspn=0.010833,0.022681&ie=UTF8&z=16 (http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=1643+Miller+St,+Orange+Park,+FL+32073,+Unite d+States+(Grove+Park+Elementary+School)&daddr=1706+Horton+Dr,+Bellair-Meadowbrook+Terrace,+FL+32073,+USA&geocode=FV9bzAEdzywh-yEPeH6EvUI3ug%3B&hl=en&mra=cc&dirflg=w&sll=30.17307,-81.71786&sspn=0.010833,0.022681&ie=UTF8&z=16)

[just42day97]

The distance from the Thompson home to Grove Park Elementary is 1 mile - google says that's a 19 minute walk...tho kids lolligag. Maybe the siblings were slower on the day Somer vanished (since school let out at 2:32 and SP claims they arrived home at 3:10 as per MPR) IDK.

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=1643+Miller+St,+Orange+Park,+FL+32073,+Unite d+States+(Grove+Park+Elementary+School)&daddr=1706+Horton+Dr,+Bellair-Meadowbrook+Terrace,+FL+32073,+USA&geocode=FV9bzAEdzywh-yEPeH6EvUI3ug%3B&hl=en&mra=cc&dirflg=w&sll=30.17307,-81.71786&sspn=0.010833,0.022681&ie=UTF8&z=16

Also if they got out at 2:32 they might not have left the school right then...maybe left a few minutes later...

[doctor_J]

Forgive me for not reading every post but what do we know about this Sean Patton? How is he related to the mom? Is he the bf? Do we know anything except for this bizarre Indigo Child stuff that was posted? Does he have a special interest in children because of this crazy stuff? Hope this doesn't sound to impertinent but I always suspect the people closest to the child, especially unrelated men. Of course this isn't fair to innocent men, but it's just statistical fact.

[*Serenity*]

http://jacksonville.com/community/my_clay_sun/2009-10-25/story/strangers_come_together_to_help_somers_family#

[Leanne Weich]

Forgive me for not reading every post but what do we know about this Sean Patton? How is he related to the mom? Is he the bf? Do we know anything except for this bizarre Indigo Child stuff that was posted? Does he have a special interest in children because of this crazy stuff? Hope this doesn't sound to impertinent but I always suspect the people closest to the child, especially unrelated men. Of course this isn't fair to innocent men, but it's just statistical fact.

SP is a friend of the mother. They met for lunch that day and she asked him to stay to look after the kids when they got out of school. He is not her b/f. She has a b/f who she called when she realized Somer was missing and he left work and returned home to help search for her. I don't recall which newspaper I read this in but think it is likely one of the Pantagraph articles.


ETA. I think I'm confusing news sources doc. The Pantagraph, I believe, is the newspaper reporting most on the Gee Family murders. Sorry, I don't know where I read it.

[Kathlb]

But LE said all RSO within 3 miles of the home were checked and cleared. I posted a link to that here a page or 2 back Saturday sunstar. OF course this could be an UNREGISTERED SO.:cursing:

I think we have had SO's around for a long time, maybe just not in the numbers we have now. I grew up in a small central Iowa town and when I was in the 5th grade and walked over a half mile to school (all in the city limits) a girlfriend and I were approached by a man in a car right on main street a block from school who wanted us to get in the car. I can't ever remember my folks warning me of that way back in the day, but we ran the block to school to get away from him. This goes way back. If there had been more incidents like this, parents would have begun figuring out ways to have trusted parents drive the kids to school and the town cop (yep, just one) :-) would have been driving all streets while kids were walking to school. At this point in time, just looking at the sheer numbers of SO's, I think no parent should let their grade school kids (at least gradeschool, maybe higher too) walk to school and home. Rides should be worked out and provided for them anywhere they are going, school, friend's house to play, etc.) JMHO

[CC I See]

New thread for Monday, October 26, 2009 ...

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=359911

[watson]

When I lived in Daytona and Tampa the local school policy was NO BUSSES for kids unless they live 2 miles or more to the school. My Niece had to switch jobs so that she could walk her 7 year old the 1.9 miles to the school and home again. It boggles my in in this day and age that schools allow and condone this kind of policy. Heck most streets dont even have crossing guards anymore either.


JMHO

Hugs,

Spyder

I'm a tad off-topic here but I have often thought that the hours for school need to be changed. What is with this 8 am to 3 pm thing? It makes no sense. Where I live (tourist town) MOST businesses don't open until between 9 and 10. Of course they close at the usual time, 5 or 6. Why couldn't the school hours be changed to reflect what's going on in the community? Most working parents either have to make special arrangements for their children after school or their children become latch key kids, spending that 1.5 - 2 hours unattended at the end of the day.

It certainly wouldn't hurt anyone if the school day was increased and quite possibly could be beneficial in more ways than one.