Caylee 10/23

[MomofaMarine]

Good morning everyone! :smile:

[MomofaMarine]

We asked you: Given the national media coverage, can Casey Anthony get a fair trial?


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/services/newspaper/printedition/monday/orl-edpbacktalk-casey-anthony-10230102309oct23,0,4564507.story

[MomofaMarine]

Report: George and Cindy Anthony offered $25,000 to appear on Bubba the Love Sponge
October 22, 4:22 PM


http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m10d22-Report-George-and-Cindy-Anthony-offered-25000-to-appear-on-Bubba-the-Love-Sponge

[Julie Dupree]

Good Morning Mom,
Thanks for the links. I have to wonder when I read these things if Cindy and George ever read the paper any more? Do they watch the news on TV? What do they say to each other when stories like this are plastered to every news outlet every day of every week? Do they ever regret anything they have done that has contributed to Caylee's murder? Do they actually think Casey is going to get out of this with a mere slap on the wrist?
Or do they say one thing and really think another one. I wonder if they say they know Casey is innocent of this crime, but by their actions prove that they think she is guilty. For instance, using the duct tape to put up pictures...on purpose. Not giving the right hair brush to LE, on purpose to draw attention to this. Selling pictures that they know will possibly be used as evidence against Casey, such as the video showing Caylee wearing the shorts that was found with her remains.
They often seem to talk one thing and do another one.
Just some random ramblings early this morning.

[desmom]

Good Morning MomofaMarine and thank you for the links! :seeya:

[MomofaMarine]

Radio host offers George and Cindy Anthony $25k


http://www.miamiherald.com/news/florida/AP/story/1296532.html

[farrahrani]

There was a link posted last night, with a quote from Brad Conway, saying they don't take pay for interviews. Shame. Bubba should say he wants Caylee's pics on his site, and claim its 'licensing fees'

Or maybe he should wait till this last 20k payment starts to run out and they look a little desparate and make that offer again :tonguewag: See if they bite.

IMO, Conway probably read up on this show and advised them strongly against it. Shame :sad:

Good morning everyone!

[Scampi]

Good morning everyone. Thanks for the links Mom and Des.

There is no doubt in my mind that both cynthia and george know their daughter is reponsible for the murder of Caylee Anthony. The proof is in all the lies being told in subsequent interviews after the remains were found, imo.

It will be interesting to see what george and cynthia do after their daughter is convicted in the check fraud case, I wonder how they will attempt to secure more "licensing fees?" Having a guilty felon for a daughter may just damper their willingness to appear anywhere.

[MomofaMarine]

Wednesday, October 14, 2009
A Snippet of an Update on Casey Anthony


http://ronnisrants.blogspot.com/2009/10/snippet-of-update-on-casey-anthony.html


Link to a questionnaire proposed by Jose Baez to be given to prospective jurors in Casey's CHECK FRAUD case.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/document-preview.aspx?doc_id=13097241

[cassidy]

Good morning everyone. Thanks for the links Mom and Des.

There is no doubt in my mind that both cynthia and george know their daughter is reponsible for the murder of Caylee Anthony. The proof is in all the lies being told in subsequent interviews after the remains were found, imo.

It will be interesting to see what george and cynthia do after their daughter is convicted in the check fraud case, I wonder how they will attempt to secure more "licensing fees?" Having a guilty felon for a daughter may just damper their willingness to appear anywhere.


They'll probably go on a "Casey has been railroaded" tour.

JMO

[desmom]

Wednesday, October 14, 2009
A Snippet of an Update on Casey Anthony


http://ronnisrants.blogspot.com/2009/10/snippet-of-update-on-casey-anthony.html


Link to a questionnaire proposed by Jose Baez to be given to prospective jurors in Casey's CHECK FRAUD case.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/document-preview.aspx?doc_id=13097241


Thanks for the link.

What does one's political or religious preference, the names of the schools they attended; their children's names, ages and schools they attend have to do with serving jury duty?

[Scampi]

I hope they do, because then imo they will destroy what little is left of their credibility.

I fully expect cynthia to take the stand in the check fraud case and say that Amy told her during the ride over to Lazzaro's that she gave KC permission to use her checks.

IMO

[Scampi]

Thanks for the link.

What does one's political or religious preference, the names of the schools they attended; their children's names, ages and schools they attend have to do with serving jury duty?

Good question Des and I would like to know what rights these potential jurors have? I would never want the names of my family falling into the hands of this defense team or the anthonys.

[FrankieBones1]

Thanks for the link.

What does one's political or religious preference, the names of the schools they attended; their children's names, ages and schools they attend have to do with serving jury duty?

Some religions are opposed to the Death Penalty, perhaps. Are more Catholics opposed to the DP and more forgiving than others? As for their childrens' names, Baez wouldn't want anyone on the jury that had a Caylee in the family. Just a guess.

[Katt2]

Good question Des and I would like to know what rights these potential jurors have? I would never want the names of my family falling into the hands of this defense team or the anthonys.

When I was called for potential jury duty, the questionaire had some of those same questions on it.
Had to list my husband's name, children's names and ages and either places of employment or school attended.

[desmom]

Some religions are opposed to the Death Penalty, perhaps. Are more Catholics opposed to the DP and more forgiving than others? As for their childrens' names, Baez wouldn't want anyone on the jury that had a Caylee in the family. Just a guess.

Morning Frankie :seeya:

But these questions are listed on the questionnaire for the check fraud case.

[Ladygator]

Thanks for the link.

What does one's political or religious preference, the names of the schools they attended; their children's names, ages and schools they attend have to do with serving jury duty?

Just a guess, but if they get information on the children, they can search for their Myspace accounts and internet activity. Which MAY allow them to find things the parent haven't disclosed.

[desmom]

When I was called for potential jury duty, the questionaire had some of those same questions on it.
Had to list my husband's name, children's names and ages and either places of employment or school attended.

Yikes! Our children are 18 and 22. When they were growing up, I was very protective of putting out any information about them. I would not be happy if I had to list their names, ages and where they attended school on a form that I had no idea of who could access this information or what would be done with the information after the fact.

Knowing me, I would put 2 children under the age of ______ and they attend public schools. LOL!

[Scampi]

When I was called for potential jury duty, the questionaire had some of those same questions on it.
Had to list my husband's name, children's names and ages and either places of employment or school attended.

Hiya Katt, that is very interesting. I guess as a juror one has no right to privacy, just another example of our CRIMINAL justice system.

:mad:

[Katt2]

Yikes! Our children are 18 and 22. When they were growing up, I was very protective of putting out any information about them. I would not be happy if I had to list their names, ages and where they attended school on a form that I had no idea of who could access this information or what would be done with the information after the fact.

Knowing me, I would put 2 children under the age of ______ and they attend public schools. LOL!


Not only were the questions on paper but during the jury questioning, the lawyers asked personal questions right in front of the whole courtroom full of potential jurors etc.

[Scampi]

Just a guess, but if they get information on the children, they can search for their Myspace accounts and internet activity. Which MAY allow them to find things the parent hasn't disclosed.

Exactly and then put all the "investigators" connected with this debacle on the case. Especially in light of the fact that these people have accused innocent people. It's disgusting.

[Ladygator]

Yikes! Our children are 18 and 22. When they were growing up, I was very protective of putting out any information about them. I would not be happy if I had to list their names, ages and where they attended school on a form that I had no idea of who could access this information or what would be done with the information after the fact.

Knowing me, I would put 2 children under the age of ______ and they attend public schools. LOL!

How about - "I'm the Octomom you never heard of":laugh:

[LadyHam]

Good morning everyone! :smile:

Thanks so much for starting the new thread for today. Good morning, everyone! :seeya:

[MomofaMarine]

The Money, The Motive, & The Spin In Caylee’s Case……….

October 22, 2009 by niecey456



http://niecey456.wordpress.com/2009/10/22/the-money-the-motive-the-spin-in-caylees-case/

[LadyHam]

Good Morning Mom,
Thanks for the links. I have to wonder when I read these things if Cindy and George ever read the paper any more? Do they watch the news on TV? What do they say to each other when stories like this are plastered to every news outlet every day of every week? Do they ever regret anything they have done that has contributed to Caylee's murder? Do they actually think Casey is going to get out of this with a mere slap on the wrist?
Or do they say one thing and really think another one. I wonder if they say they know Casey is innocent of this crime, but by their actions prove that they think she is guilty. For instance, using the duct tape to put up pictures...on purpose. Not giving the right hair brush to LE, on purpose to draw attention to this. Selling pictures that they know will possibly be used as evidence against Casey, such as the video showing Caylee wearing the shorts that was found with her remains.
They often seem to talk one thing and do another one.
Just some random ramblings early this morning.

Good morning, Julie! :seeya: I truly think that The Anthony's are oblivious to the fact that they are hurting the case against their daughter. They don't realize that w/every single interview they do, they are just putting another nail in her coffin. The duct tape for instance, I don't think they would have used it to put up the missing Caylee posters if they had an inkling that the same duct tape was used around Caylee's mouth. Their best bet would have been to stay quiet from the beginning, to have cooperated w/LE, and to have let LE just do their jobs. The media interviews that they are doing now are doing nothing to help Casey. They are just pointing to the fact that Casey's family has to lie and cover up for her. If Casey was as innocent as they claim her to be, then they wouldn't have to do that.

[desmom]

Not only were the questions on paper but during the jury questioning, the lawyers asked personal questions right in front of the whole courtroom full of potential jurors etc.

With all the nut jobs out there today, I would not be happy. What would happen if you answered in general terms? i.e. I have 2 children under the age of 10 enrolled in public schools.

I would very leery of putting out personal information about myself or my family in front of a room full of strangers or on a questionnaire that who knows would be able to access. That is really scary especially in this day and age of child abductions, identity theft etc.

jmo

[LadyHam]

There was a link posted last night, with a quote from Brad Conway, saying they don't take pay for interviews. Shame. Bubba should say he wants Caylee's pics on his site, and claim its 'licensing fees'

Or maybe he should wait till this last 20k payment starts to run out and they look a little desparate and make that offer again :tonguewag: See if they bite.

IMO, Conway probably read up on this show and advised them strongly against it. Shame :sad:

Good morning everyone!

Bolding by me....

So true. To me being paid licensing fees to do an interview is the same as being paid to do an interview. It is just a loophole. The Anthony's would never do an interview w/this radio host because he would actually ask them the tough questions and call them out of their lies, mistruths, halftruths, and behavior.

[Kathlb]

Good Morning!

I've been wondering if when Casey is convicted of the fraud charges and has a feloney against her, would they transport her to prison or leave her in the jail since they will be preparing for her murder trial?

[apothecary]

The Money, The Motive, & The Spin In Caylee’s Case……….

October 22, 2009 by niecey456



http://niecey456.wordpress.com/2009/10/22/the-money-the-motive-the-spin-in-caylees-case/
I read the article and agree entirely.But really does it not boil down to the fact that the public is interested in this case.If we were not interested the networks would not pay as much if anything.The more bizarre the case the more interested we become.The thonys are keeping the pot stirred constantly to keep everyone interested thereby keeping the media interested.Here we are still posting about this case 18 months later and interest has not died down to any great extent.Of course Florida's sunshine law contributes to the interest but is not a major factor.I was also glued to the JonBenet Ramsay case and there was no sunshine law there.But gosh darn it,I just can't stay away from this case.

[Holden]

Good morning, Julie! :seeya: I truly think that The Anthony's are oblivious to the fact that they are hurting the case against their daughter. They don't realize that w/every single interview they do, they are just putting another nail in her coffin. The duct tape for instance, I don't think they would have used it to put up the missing Caylee posters if they had an inkling that the same duct tape was used around Caylee's mouth. Their best bet would have been to stay quiet from the beginning, to have cooperated w/LE, and to have let LE just do their jobs. The media interviews that they are doing now are doing nothing to help Casey. They are just pointing to the fact that Casey's family has to lie and cover up for her. If Casey was as innocent as they claim her to be, then they wouldn't have to do that.

I agree with you here. If they A's had only kept quiet, this case might have flown under the radar and casey might have had a chance to get life instead of the death penalty. That chance is now gone thanks to them. They have been trying hard to re-invent the past, to paint casey as a loving mother, good daughter, human being, for crying out loud:drool: but not only can't that be done - their efforts have backfired badly. I'm kinda happy about that. No one deserves the chair more than that baby killer, but at the same time, the A's might have been able to garner public understanding and maybe even sympathy had they behaved like normal human beings.

[bballgrl]

http://www.asecondbreath.net/2009/10...an-cruise.html


Woot - We now have comments on the "Blog" I guess it really IS a blog afterall.... :tongueside:

Just want to point out that none of MY comments made it on board. :lol:

[farrahrani]

Good Morning!

I've been wondering if when Casey is convicted of the fraud charges and has a feloney against her, would they transport her to prison or leave her in the jail since they will be preparing for her murder trial?

Whatever they do, it won't matter because there is no way she is going into general population befre the trial. JMO

[martha]

Good morning eveyone,for some reason I can;t stay away from this case.I try to but just can not. I think about little Caylee all the time and just don;t understand any mother that could harm her baby. I guess if I live long enough I will be here until the end of this case.It sure takes a lot of time. Just want justice for CAYLEE jmho:wub:

[Kathlb]

Whatever they do, it won't matter because there is no way she is going into general population befre the trial. JMO

Okay, thanks. That's pretty much what I was wondering.

[Scampi]

I don't think KC will ever be in a cell with another inmate or exposed to other jail inmates. This female will be in protective custody forever, imo.

[LadyHam]

Thanks for the link.

What does one's political or religious preference, the names of the schools they attended; their children's names, ages and schools they attend have to do with serving jury duty?

Absolutely nothing.:sneaky: It is almost like an invasion of privacy. It is almost like the accused has more rights and privacy than the victim, the witnesses, and the jury. It seems that this jury questionnaire will discourage people from wanting to serve on the jury. Maybe that is the point.

[LadyHam]

I hope they do, because then imo they will destroy what little is left of their credibility.

I fully expect cynthia to take the stand in the check fraud case and say that Amy told her during the ride over to Lazzaro's that she gave KC permission to use her checks.

IMO

Bolding by me....

I so agree w/you, but even if Cindy does say that, it doesn't excuse Casey from committing the crime of fraud. Amy is not allowed to give anyone permission to use her checks in a fraudulent manner. Fraud was still committed against Target, BOA, etc. I don't see it as a viable or reasonable defense.

[Pam1569]

Whatever they do, it won't matter because there is no way she is going into general population befre the trial. JMO

GM farrah, I also agree. She will remain in OCJ until the murder trail and then after being read the verdict she will stay there in jail until the penalty phase and then she will be sent to prison and put into SEG, just like Lavania stated on here. Then maybe a few years later she will be put into GP. jmo

[martha]

I don't think KC will ever be in a cell with another inmate or exposed to other jail inmates. This female will be in protective custody forever, imo. I sure wish they would not protect her she did not protect Caylee. she needs to be put in with all the other prisoners.jmho:wub:

[LadyHam]

Good question Des and I would like to know what rights these potential jurors have? I would never want the names of my family falling into the hands of this defense team or the anthonys.

Bolding by me....

It doesn't seem like they have any. It seems as if the accused is the only one that has rights. This sickens me.:sneaky:

[Pam1569]

I don't think KC will ever be in a cell with another inmate or exposed to other jail inmates. This female will be in protective custody forever, imo.

:seeya: Scampi and GM
I am not sure whether it is better for her to loose her mind in a cell all by herself or let the GP have her. I am still on the fence about it. jmo

[Scampi]

Bolding by me....

I so agree w/you, but even if Cindy does say that, it doesn't excuse Casey from committing the crime of fraud. Amy is not allowed to give anyone permission to use her checks in a fraudulent manner. Fraud was still committed against Target, BOA, etc. I don't see it as a viable or reasonable defense.

I agree, nothing "reasonable" about any of this nonsense but, it's all they have at this point.

I invision this desperate defense using the information that Amy apparently took Ambien and told KC she woke up and changed clothing during the night, with no recollection of it to be used to convince the jury she also gave KC permission to use her checks without remembering it also.

Poor Amy, she has no idea of what she's in for, imo.

As for KC, she'll claim ignorance saying she had no idea what she did was against the law as long as she had Amy's permission, why that's why she signed her own name.

[spydernweb2006]

:seeya: Scampi and GM
I am not sure whether it is better for her to loose her mind in a cell all by herself or let the GP have her. I am still on the fence about it. jmo

IMO sweet justice for Casey would be:

LWOP in a cell with Cindy!

Id love to see Cindy incarcerated for her lies and coverup. And nothing could make me happier then Cindy sitting rt there beside Casey doing her time....


JMHO

Hugs,

Spyder

[Pam1569]

IMO sweet justice for Casey would be:

LWOP in a cell with Cindy!

Id love to see Cindy incarcerated for her lies and coverup. And nothing could make me happier then Cindy sitting rt there beside Casey doing her time....


JMHO

Hugs,

Spyder

GM Spyder, I do believe Cindy might have to be her daughters pen pal, because imo Cindy will be in Federal prison (per FBI rule 1001) and Ms. Anthony will be in State prison. jmo

[Sun]

Juror Questionaire (Criminal Check/Fraud Trial, 10 pages)
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/document-preview.aspx?doc_id=13097241

Is it my lack of knowledge that makes me think all these questions are a bit overboard, given the charges that will be heard?

[Armadillo]

Juror Questionaire (Criminal Check/Fraud Trial, 10 pages)
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/document-preview.aspx?doc_id=13097241

Is it my lack of knowledge that makes me think all these questions are a bit overboard, given the charges that will be heard?


I think they just want to make sure one is pure of heart to serve on the jury...:wink:

[bballgrl]

I think they just want to make sure one is pure of heart to serve on the jury...:wink:


I like the questions:

"What is your view of Prosecutors"

"What is your view of Defense Attorneys"

Hmmm.... How to answer that second one???? :wink:

[bballgrl]

BTW - Why is Andrea Lyons (A death penalty qualified attorney) going to be defending Casey in the check fraud case? :confused:

[Kathlb]

BTW - Why is Andrea Lyons (A death penalty qualified attorney) going to be defending Casey in the check fraud case? :confused:

I don't think she should but I'll bet they try and get her in there because of Jose's lack of expertise. From what I've seen however, I don't see much intelligent lawyering from her either from the motions she's written. MOO

[Sun]

I like the questions:

"What is your view of Prosecutors"

"What is your view of Defense Attorneys"

Hmmm.... How to answer that second one???? :wink:

I might have to write that I had no view of either Prosecutors or Defense Attorneys from where I live. Just squirrels, birds, neighbors, dogs, cats, trees, lawns, sky, with an occasional vehicle passing by my home.

[Sun]

10/22/2009 A MOTION TO DISMISS FILED PRO SE (ELIGINE WILSON FURLOW) REC'D FROM JUDGE

What does this mean? anyone?

[Katprint]

I like the questions:

"What is your view of Prosecutors"

"What is your view of Defense Attorneys"

Hmmm.... How to answer that second one???? :wink:
That is EXACTLY why they ask that question. Your post, and especially your "wink," indicates you may have a pre-conceived negative view of Defense Attorneys but not of Prosecutors. That prejudice might affect your ability to be a fair and impartial juror, same as a racial/religious/gender/other bias. This would be important information for the court to know in determining whether you could be challenged "for cause" because each side gets unlimited challenges "for cause" but only a limited number of peremptory challenges where no reason must be given or proven.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Scampi]

Didn't lyon's file a motion with the court alerting them she would be participating in the check fraud case because it was linked to the murder case? Then, turned around and filed another motion saying the two cases are not linked and that all mention of the murder case should be kept out of the check fraud case? :rolleyes:

[Mr Hyde]

They are trying everything they know how to taint the jury pool ahead of time to recieve a change of venue. My childrens names, ages are none of their business, and unless my profession is in some way tied to the case (ie Law Enforcement, legal professional) that isn't relevent either. Now if they asked did you help in the searching I would have no problem telling them that and the dates, times & places I searched.

[bballgrl]

That is EXACTLY why they ask that question. Your post, and especially your "wink," indicates you may have a pre-conceived negative view of Defense Attorneys but not of Prosecutors. That prejudice might affect your ability to be a fair and impartial juror, same as a racial/religious/gender/other bias. This would be important information for the court to know in determining whether you could be challenged "for cause" because each side gets unlimited challenges "for cause" but only a limited number of peremptory challenges where no reason must be given or proven.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Agreed. My answers to many of the questions in this particular Jury questionaire would definitely exclude me from the potential jury pool. Good thing I don't live in Florida!

[martha]

I am trying to watch part of another trial. now when casey;s trial starts I know my bp is going to go sky high. With all the lyes and stuff that the def will say will really get to me. Why do the defendent have all the rights and the victim has none? something needs to be changed.Why will they not let them bring up things that the def.has done in the past? makes no sense if they have done wrong in the past the jury needs to know it. I just know they will get up there and paint casey as the mom of the year. which she was not.I don;t know if I will be able to watch it or not. I keep thinking of little CAYLEE being a baby and could not defend herself from a grown up.so sad why does cindy and geroge and lee not stand up for Caylee? I know she is gone but my goodness that was their gc and she was a gift from God to them.casey is grown let her take care of her self. jmho:wub:

[charmin 66]

Good Morning Mom,
Thanks for the links. I have to wonder when I read these things if Cindy and George ever read the paper any more? Do they watch the news on TV? What do they say to each other when stories like this are plastered to every news outlet every day of every week? Do they ever regret anything they have done that has contributed to Caylee's murder? Do they actually think Casey is going to get out of this with a mere slap on the wrist?
Or do they say one thing and really think another one. I wonder if they say they know Casey is innocent of this crime, but by their actions prove that they think she is guilty. For instance, using the duct tape to put up pictures...on purpose. Not giving the right hair brush to LE, on purpose to draw attention to this. Selling pictures that they know will possibly be used as evidence against Casey, such as the video showing Caylee wearing the shorts that was found with her remains.
They often seem to talk one thing and do another one.
Just some random ramblings early this morning.

Hi Julie

I wonder about these things too. My only conclusion is that,

it's hard to think like an Anthony, logic doesn't seem to apply.

[bballgrl]

Didn't lyon's file a motion with the court alerting them she would be participating in the check fraud case because it was linked to the murder case? Then, turned around and filed another motion saying the two cases are not linked and that all mention of the murder case should be kept out of the check fraud case? :rolleyes:


Probably. I think that this case is affecting her in a negative way. I have heard that she is a great attorney. I have to admit that when she argues her case, she does a wonderful job. I think that having Jose Baez in her court will end up damaging her reputation in the long run. I have no legal experience, but I think that she is a good attorney that will end up the worse for wear in joining this defense team. MOO

[Scampi]

Probably. I think that this case is affecting her in a negative way. I have heard that she is a great attorney. I have to admit that when she argues her case, she does a wonderful job. I think that having Jose Baez in her court will end up damaging her reputation in the long run. I have no legal experience, but I think that she is a good attorney that will end up the worse for wear in joining this defense team. MOO

You know, andrea lyons is known as the "angel of death row" that may even be the title of her new book, and that is where she shines imo, at the penalty phase of capital cases. IMO, she considers it a win if she can get a jury to go with LWOP rather then death.

I think she is allowing baez, baden and macaluso to have free reign in the guilt phase so that there is a penalty phase for her to defend. IMO.

There is no other explanation for the poor quality of the motions filed so far, imo.

[Ladygator]

You know, andrea lyons is known as the "angel of death row" that may even be the title of her new book, and that is where she shines imo, at the penalty phase of capital cases. IMO, she considers it a win if she can get a jury to go with LWOP rather then death.

I think she is allowing baez, baden and macaluso to have free reign in the guilt phase so that there is a penalty phase for her to defend. IMO.

There is no other explanation for the poor quality of the motions filed so far, imo.

I never thought of that. Good point!

She does needs this case to go to the penalty phase so she can 'shine' and hopefully, get a 'win'.

[NosyParker]

10/22/2009 A MOTION TO DISMISS FILED PRO SE (ELIGINE WILSON FURLOW) REC'D FROM JUDGE

What does this mean? anyone?

Bumping this because I'm curious too! Anyone know?

[Scampi]

BTW, it has always been interesting to me that KC is going to a DP trial with baez who has no experience with DP cases and macaluso who has never tried a CRIMINAL case, iirc, he is a civil attorney.

IMO, if the anthonys truly believed in KC's innocence they would have hired someone like Roy Black to defend her. The quality of this defense team speaks volumes to me. In my opinion.

[Ladygator]

10/22/2009 A MOTION TO DISMISS FILED PRO SE (ELIGINE WILSON FURLOW) REC'D FROM JUDGE

What does this mean? anyone?

Bumping this because I'm curious too! Anyone know?

I have no idea who that person is but they filed that motion by themselves, without an attorney.

[NosyParker]

I looked up pro se and it means a person who is representing themself in court. I'm so confused.

[trich]

I agree, nothing "reasonable" about any of this nonsense but, it's all they have at this point.

I invision this desperate defense using the information that Amy apparently took Ambien and told KC she woke up and changed clothing during the night, with no recollection of it to be used to convince the jury she also gave KC permission to use her checks without remembering it also.

Poor Amy, she has no idea of what she's in for, imo.

As for KC, she'll claim ignorance saying she had no idea what she did was against the law as long as she had Amy's permission, why that's why she signed her own name.


I just don't understand how the check fraud charges can be answered by the defense without Casey testifying and we all know that is not gonna happen.
There is no denying she wrote those checks ...she is on video doing it.
If defense is going to imply Amy gave her permission (to which she will deny) it is her word against Casey's but again Casey would have to testify IMO.
Wish she would just plead guilty and be done with it.....but then again maybe it will be fun to watch Baez make a fool of himself while trying to defend her.

[NosyParker]

Thanks Ladygator. I must have posted at the same time as you. Is it possible that it's a typo, or clerical error of some sort where someone else's info was entered into Casey's file?

[LadyHam]

:seeya: Scampi and GM
I am not sure whether it is better for her to loose her mind in a cell all by herself or let the GP have her. I am still on the fence about it. jmo

Either would be a terrible fate for her.

[Katprint]

10/22/2009 A MOTION TO DISMISS FILED PRO SE (ELIGINE WILSON FURLOW) REC'D FROM JUDGE

What does this mean? anyone?

Bumping this because I'm curious too! Anyone know?
Can you put a link to it?

My initial impression is that someone used the wrong case number and it got filed in Casey Anthony's case by mistake. Alternatively some idiot may think he can file a motion to dismiss on behalf of Casey despite not being one of her attorneys (or even an attorney at all.)

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[LadyHam]

I agree, nothing "reasonable" about any of this nonsense but, it's all they have at this point.

I invision this desperate defense using the information that Amy apparently took Ambien and told KC she woke up and changed clothing during the night, with no recollection of it to be used to convince the jury she also gave KC permission to use her checks without remembering it also.

Poor Amy, she has no idea of what she's in for, imo.

As for KC, she'll claim ignorance saying she had no idea what she did was against the law as long as she had Amy's permission, why that's why she signed her own name.

Bolding by me....

Maybe the defense team will use that strategy to try to get the fraud charges dropped down from a felony to a misdemeanor? :shrug: I agree, its all they've got to work with.

[Sun]

Can you put a link to it?

My initial impression is that someone used the wrong case number and it got filed in Casey Anthony's case by mistake. Alternatively some idiot may think he can file a motion to dismiss on behalf of Casey despite not being one of her attorneys (or even an attorney at all.)

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/

It's an entry on the criminal case for Casey Anthony.

[Scampi]

From Wikipedia:

Pro se legal representation refers to the instance of a person representing himself or herself without a lawyer in a court proceeding, whether as a defendant or a plaintiff and ...

[♫Rock*Star♫]

I have no idea who that person is but they filed that motion by themselves, without an attorney.

Here's a link I found on another message board. Pertaining to one Elgine Wilson Furlow.

Furlow v. State Of Florida et al (http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:Iq20b4E6iwcJ:dockets.justia.com/docket/court-flmdce/case_no-6:2009cv01688/case_id-232309/+ELIGINE+WILSON+FURLOW&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&ie=UTF-8)

Nature of Suit: Civil Rights - Other Civil Rights
Cause: Americans with Disabilities Act

[LadyHam]

Juror Questionaire (Criminal Check/Fraud Trial, 10 pages)
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/document-preview.aspx?doc_id=13097241

Is it my lack of knowledge that makes me think all these questions are a bit overboard, given the charges that will be heard?

I agree. They are looking ahead to the murder trial w/that questionnaire for the fraud trial. They don't want the prosecution to link the two trials together, but I guess it's okay as long it is the defense team that does so.

[♫Rock*Star♫]

Can you put a link to it?

My initial impression is that someone used the wrong case number and it got filed in Casey Anthony's case by mistake. Alternatively some idiot may think he can file a motion to dismiss on behalf of Casey despite not being one of her attorneys (or even an attorney at all.)

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I believe your initial impression is correct.

[Pam1569]

Here's a link I found on another message board. Pertaining to one Elgine Wilson Furlow.

Furlow v. State Of Florida et al (http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:Iq20b4E6iwcJ:dockets.justia.com/docket/court-flmdce/case_no-6:2009cv01688/case_id-232309/+ELIGINE+WILSON+FURLOW&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&ie=UTF-8)

Nature of Suit: Civil Rights - Other Civil Rights
Cause: Americans with Disabilities Act

TY Rock
I was searching frantically over there and couldn't find it. But how can this case even represent Ms. Anthony? TIA :confused:

[NosyParker]

I remember some people suggested that Casey might claim she was "ordered" to steal from Amy as part of her defense. You know, she was just following the script. Remember she, (along with Scarlett O'Hara) would lie, steal, cheat if she had to. Tell the truth to LE to help find her "missing" 2 year old child? Not so much. Speaking of which, I wonder if the defense has their hot little hands on this script that Casey was "following".

[♫Rock*Star♫]

TY Rock
I was searching frantically over there and couldn't find it. But how can this case even represent Ms. Anthony? TIA :confused:

You're welcome. :)

I believe the entry regarding Elgine Wilson Furlow on the criminal case for Casey Anthony is a mistake.

[Pam1569]

You're welcome. :)

I believe the entry regarding Elgine Wilson Furlow on the criminal case for Casey Anthony is a mistake.

TY Rock and Kat, I suppose it is and in fact it has been done by the defense themselves in this case. So I was frantic for nothing. Thank you again both. :wub:

[charmin 66]

I remember some people suggested that Casey might claim she was "ordered" to steal from Amy as part of her defense. You know, she was just following the script. Remember she, (along with Scarlett O'Hara) would lie, steal, cheat if she had to. Tell the truth to LE to help find her "missing" 2 year old child? Not so much. Speaking of which, I wonder if the defense has their hot little hands on this script that Casey was "following".

Someone should tell Scarlett that she doesn't need the script anymore, Target already filmed the movie.

[Armadillo]

I remember some people suggested that Casey might claim she was "ordered" to steal from Amy as part of her defense. You know, she was just following the script. Remember she, (along with Scarlett O'Hara) would lie, steal, cheat if she had to. Tell the truth to LE to help find her "missing" 2 year old child? Not so much. Speaking of which, I wonder if the defense has their hot little hands on this script that Casey was "following".


Casey does not have the script...IIRC she told LE she lost it or just doesn't have it any longer...of course if it were I following a script...I would certainly get rid of the one piece of evidence that could clear me...of course...

[ladeebug565]

Bolding by me....

So true. To me being paid licensing fees to do an interview is the same as being paid to do an interview. It is just a loophole. The Anthony's would never do an interview w/this radio host because he would actually ask them the tough questions and call them out of their lies, mistruths, halftruths, and behavior.

Someone was posting yesterday about the difference between the Anthonys and Mark Klauss and John Walsh. They had gone on to create careers from their tragedies and how that is no better or worse than what the Anthonys are doing.

Thought bubble: How many pictures and videos has the public seen in the Klauss and Walsh cases? With regard to Polly Klauss, I recall two pictures. One is a school picture, the other is of her on a swing. I remember Adam's sweet face under a baseball cap. I can visualize these in my mind's eye.

Do we really need copious pictures and videos of Caylee? What do they tell us that one picture wouldn't? Not a thing. That is the big difference between the Anthonys vs the Klauss and Walsh families. The latter two families are not prostituting their deceased children. They actually work with organizations that actually help children. They're the folks that parents of missing children should be listening to, not the Scam-thonys.

[KP1935]

Casey does not have the script...IIRC she told LE she lost it or just doesn't have it any longer...of course if it were I following a script...I would certainly get rid of the one piece of evidence that could clear me...of course...

I missed that nugget (losing the script). I had wondered why she hadn't produced non-existant proof the invisi-nanny was a real person. I'm surprised she didn't write a bunch of BS down and try to pass it off as the 'script'.

[apothecary]

You know, andrea lyons is known as the "angel of death row" that may even be the title of her new book, and that is where she shines imo, at the penalty phase of capital cases. IMO, she considers it a win if she can get a jury to go with LWOP rather then death.

I think she is allowing baez, baden and macaluso to have free reign in the guilt phase so that there is a penalty phase for her to defend. IMO.

There is no other explanation for the poor quality of the motions filed so far, imo.
Just wondering how many of these cases she will try in the future.I was reading that it is too expensive for the state to try a death penalty case and to continue with all the automatic appeals.It seems to me like a lot of the death penalty states will just not charge the death penalty and go with LWOP.

[AlohaRainbow]

Juror Questionaire (Criminal Check/Fraud Trial, 10 pages)
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/document-preview.aspx?doc_id=13097241

Is it my lack of knowledge that makes me think all these questions are a bit overboard, given the charges that will be heard?

thanks for the link.
i just read the questionnaire and it seems very similar to one i was mailed last year for potential jury duty for a medical malpractice (civil) case. i don't recall that i was asked for my SSN, although it might have been on there, nor was i was asked for names of my children and where they went to school (just how many children and what ages, iirc)

there were lots of questions about which tv shows, newspapers and internet sites i regularly watched or read.

we mailed our completed questionnaires back to the court about 10 days before jury selection was to start. i assume the attys for both sides reviewed the completed questionnaires and some of us were eliminated from the potential pool because i got notice about 3 days before the start date that i didn't need to show up for jury selection.

(i'm sure i was eliminated by the defense in that case because i work as a nurse paralegal for a large law firm that does medical malpractice defense work!)

[AlohaRainbow]

I remember some people suggested that Casey might claim she was "ordered" to steal from Amy as part of her defense. You know, she was just following the script. Remember she, (along with Scarlett O'Hara) would lie, steal, cheat if she had to. Tell the truth to LE to help find her "missing" 2 year old child? Not so much. Speaking of which, I wonder if the defense has their hot little hands on this script that Casey was "following".

didn't casey tell her parents (paraphrasing) to apologize to amy but she (casey) was in a 'time of desperation' (or something to that effect)

imo, if the defense is that she was ordered via zanny's script, or was desperate because caylee was missing, they would have to bring up (if not the murder itself) at least the fact that caylee was missing when casey used the checks. i don't think they really want to go that route (since AL has already argued that the 2 cases are separate and the murder charges have nothing to do with the check fraoud charges).

it will be very interesting (and, imo, entertaining) to see how they defend the check fraud charges

[LadyHam]

I missed that nugget (losing the script). I had wondered why she hadn't produced non-existant proof the invisi-nanny was a real person. I'm surprised she didn't write a bunch of BS down and try to pass it off as the 'script'.

Maybe the defense will have Casey recreate the script (to the best of her recollection) for trial?:rolleyes:

[Katprint]

Casey does not have the script...IIRC she told LE she lost it or just doesn't have it any longer...of course if it were I following a script...I would certainly get rid of the one piece of evidence that could clear me...of course...
The basic, fundamental problem Casey has is that none of her actions, stories or behavior in general is anything that normal people can relate to. This problem is even bigger than Casey; her entire family behaves irrationally. It is terribly difficult to relate to them because they are so strange.

Imagine the difference if instead of lying her azz off, Casey had told a story of how deeply unhappy and depressed she had become living in Cindy's house being reminded daily that she was an unwed mother, an unemployed high school dropout, and that Caylee was "a mistake." Casey saw her friends having fun without the burdens of motherhood but when Casey conned her mother into watching Caylee so she could go to a party, Cindy found out and severely chastised Casey for that. Similarly, Casey saw her friends buying nice things with money they earned at their nice jobs but when Casey used her mother's credit cards without permission and stole money from her grandmother so that Casey could buy nice things too, Casey was verbally and physically attacked for that. We've all heard Cindy's sharp tongue towards the media when she knew she was being recorded and presumably would have toned it down a bit. The police records show neighbors calling the police due to the domestic disturbances coming from the Anthony residence.

Casey could explain how her depression and resentment deepened until she was failing to properly supervise and care for Caylee, perhaps while Caylee was using the pool. Then, when Casey discovered what had happened, she panicked. Caylee's body was hidden so poorly because Casey did not plan out any premeditated murder but merely was acting on the spur of the moment. Casey's "ugly coping" was an effort to put the whole traumatic situation out of her mind, until finally she was forced to soberly confront reality.

Wouldn't that story be easier to swallow than the current "blame everyone else even if they don't exist" strategy? The imagi-nanny story is provably false in all important respects (no job = no need for a nanny, vacant apt., no phone number, no one has ever seen the nanny, changing stories, no script, etc.) and Casey's story about searching for Caylee at various nightclubs - and the tattoo parlour - is simply not believable. The defense has got to come up with something better.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[LadyHam]

didn't casey tell her parents (paraphrasing) to apologize to amy but she (casey) was in a 'time of desperation' (or something to that effect)

imo, if the defense is that she was ordered via zanny's script, or was desperate because caylee was missing, they would have to bring up (if not the murder itself) at least the fact that caylee was missing when casey used the checks. i don't think they really want to go that route (since AL has already argued that the 2 cases are separate and the murder charges have nothing to do with the check fraoud charges).

it will be very interesting (and, imo, entertaining) to see how they defend the check fraud charges

Bolding by me....

Yes she did. I am partly betting that is why the defense wants all the video tapes jailhouse visits w/her family destroyed. They don't want them to be used at trial as evidence.

[desmom]

I remember some people suggested that Casey might claim she was "ordered" to steal from Amy as part of her defense. You know, she was just following the script. Remember she, (along with Scarlett O'Hara) would lie, steal, cheat if she had to. Tell the truth to LE to help find her "missing" 2 year old child? Not so much. Speaking of which, I wonder if the defense has their hot little hands on this script that Casey was "following".

Hmm, one scenario was Amy owed Casey money and Amy gave Casey permission to write checks on her account up to the amount Amy owed Casey.

I remember it being discussed but not sure if it was something Cindy said or it was speculation on the boards. jmo

[cassidy]

Wouldn't that story be easier to swallow than the current "blame everyone else even if they don't exist" strategy? The imagi-nanny story is provably false in all important respects (no job = no need for a nanny, vacant apt., no phone number, no one has ever seen the nanny, changing stories, no script, etc.) and Casey's story about searching for Caylee at various nightclubs - and the tattoo parlour - is simply not believable. The defense has got to come up with something better.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions


****snipped for space****

It would have been a whole lot easier to swallow until they found the body (presumably sooner than they did) and Caylee's little mouth and nose were covered in duct tape.
I don't think the defense is going to overcome that or the 31 days.

JMO

[Dtviewer3]

The basic, fundamental problem Casey has is that none of her actions, stories or behavior in general is anything that normal people can relate to. This problem is even bigger than Casey; her entire family behaves irrationally. It is terribly difficult to relate to them because they are so strange.

Imagine the difference if instead of lying her azz off, Casey had told a story of how deeply unhappy and depressed she had become living in Cindy's house being reminded daily that she was an unwed mother, an unemployed high school dropout, and that Caylee was "a mistake." Casey saw her friends having fun without the burdens of motherhood but when Casey conned her mother into watching Caylee so she could go to a party, Cindy found out and severely chastised Casey for that. Similarly, Casey saw her friends buying nice things with money they earned at their nice jobs but when Casey used her mother's credit cards without permission and stole money from her grandmother so that Casey could buy nice things too, Casey was verbally and physically attacked for that. We've all heard Cindy's sharp tongue towards the media when she knew she was being recorded and presumably would have toned it down a bit. The police records show neighbors calling the police due to the domestic disturbances coming from the Anthony residence.

Casey could explain how her depression and resentment deepened until she was failing to properly supervise and care for Caylee, perhaps while Caylee was using the pool. Then, when Casey discovered what had happened, she panicked. Caylee's body was hidden so poorly because Casey did not plan out any premeditated murder but merely was acting on the spur of the moment. Casey's "ugly coping" was an effort to put the whole traumatic situation out of her mind, until finally she was forced to soberly confront reality.

Wouldn't that story be easier to swallow than the current "blame everyone else even if they don't exist" strategy? The imagi-nanny story is provably false in all important respects (no job = no need for a nanny, vacant apt., no phone number, no one has ever seen the nanny, changing stories, no script, etc.) and Casey's story about searching for Caylee at various nightclubs - and the tattoo parlour - is simply not believable. The defense has got to come up with something better.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I believe the first death qualified attorney that Casey had would have tried to convince Casey to take a similar avenue to what you posted.

I think that is why there was the rumored discord between him and Baez.

Like I have said before, Baez isnt doing Casey any favors...........

[KP1935]

Maybe the defense will have Casey recreate the script (to the best of her recollection) for trial?:rolleyes:

If it means putting her on the stand and open for cross examination, I'm all for it! Give her a crayon and some napkins and let her "recreate" the never-was-script.

[jessie]

Bolding by me....

So true. To me being paid licensing fees to do an interview is the same as being paid to do an interview. It is just a loophole. The Anthony's would never do an interview w/this radio host because he would actually ask them the tough questions and call them out of their lies, mistruths, halftruths, and behavior. That is exactly what I was thinking. He just lays everything right out there. JMO

[Katprint]

****snipped for space****

It would have been a whole lot easier to swallow until they found the body (presumably sooner than they did) and Caylee's little mouth and nose were covered in duct tape.
I don't think the defense is going to overcome that or the 31 days.

JMO
Well, yes, there would still be problems with the case. They would have to claim the duct tape had been applied post-mortem to stop fluid purging while Casey transported Caylee's body. The 31 days would be explained by Casey not being able to deal with the tragedy and/or being afraid of what Cindy would say/do when Cindy found out that Caylee had died due to Casey's inattentiveness. They would have to explain away the prior computer searches for neck-breaking, chloroform, household weapons, etc. They would have to explain away Casey's failure to confide in her brother, her boyfriend or any of her very close friends. And yet, IMO the accidental death story would still be a better story than the imagi-nanny story.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[ish]

didn't casey tell her parents (paraphrasing) to apologize to amy but she (casey) was in a 'time of desperation' (or something to that effect)

imo, if the defense is that she was ordered via zanny's script, or was desperate because caylee was missing, they would have to bring up (if not the murder itself) at least the fact that caylee was missing when casey used the checks. i don't think they really want to go that route (since AL has already argued that the 2 cases are separate and the murder charges have nothing to do with the check fraoud charges).

it will be very interesting (and, imo, entertaining) to see how they defend the check fraud charges

Yes, she told her dad it was a time of desperation. Hopefully if George testifies to that statement, the prosecution can play the video of just how desperate she was on line in Target, buying paper towels, beer and lingerie. Calmly writing out a check on Amy's account.

[Holden]

Someone was posting yesterday about the difference between the Anthonys and Mark Klauss and John Walsh. They had gone on to create careers from their tragedies and how that is no better or worse than what the Anthonys are doing.

Thought bubble: How many pictures and videos has the public seen in the Klauss and Walsh cases? With regard to Polly Klauss, I recall two pictures. One is a school picture, the other is of her on a swing. I remember Adam's sweet face under a baseball cap. I can visualize these in my mind's eye.

Do we really need copious pictures and videos of Caylee? What do they tell us that one picture wouldn't? Not a thing. That is the big difference between the Anthonys vs the Klauss and Walsh families. The latter two families are not prostituting their deceased children. They actually work with organizations that actually help children. They're the folks that parents of missing children should be listening to, not the Scam-thonys.

Wow - you got it in a nut shell. I can recall those pics, too, can visualize them immediately. :mellow: Both those men, Walsh and Klass have done so much good work. They've spent their lives actually helping families cope with lost children. I hope the A's read your post and understand what they are so disliked. They are making money, raking it in, auctioning for the best price, photos of their murdered grand daughter. :huh: I guess the difference here is all about intelligence and sensitivity. The A's (come on George, you are not the sharpest knife in the drawer) have very little of either.

[farrahrani]

Maybe the defense will have Casey recreate the script (to the best of her recollection) for trial?:rolleyes:

Can a list of things to do, created after the fact, during incarceration, be entered as evidence? Evidence of what? That she can make lists? And how would it be entered into evidence? If the defense tries to get it on the record, won't she have to testify as to being in her hand, and acknowledge on the stand that she wrote it?

Yes, I know it was sarcasm, but now I'm curious to see if her team won't try this very thing. barf

[LadyHam]

Well, yes, there would still be problems with the case. They would have to claim the duct tape had been applied post-mortem to stop fluid purging while Casey transported Caylee's body. The 31 days would be explained by Casey not being able to deal with the tragedy and/or being afraid of what Cindy would say/do when Cindy found out that Caylee had died due to Casey's inattentiveness. They would have to explain away the prior computer searches for neck-breaking, chloroform, household weapons, etc. They would have to explain away Casey's failure to confide in her brother, her boyfriend or any of her very close friends. And yet, IMO the accidental death story would still be a better story than the imagi-nanny story.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Bolding by me.....

It just glaringly points out just how bad the imagi-nanny story is, doesn't it?

[AnnieKins]

thanks for the link.
i just read the questionnaire and it seems very similar to one i was mailed last year for potential jury duty for a medical malpractice (civil) case. i don't recall that i was asked for my SSN, although it might have been on there, nor was i was asked for names of my children and where they went to school (just how many children and what ages, iirc)

there were lots of questions about which tv shows, newspapers and internet sites i regularly watched or read.

we mailed our completed questionnaires back to the court about 10 days before jury selection was to start. i assume the attys for both sides reviewed the completed questionnaires and some of us were eliminated from the potential pool because i got notice about 3 days before the start date that i didn't need to show up for jury selection.

(i'm sure i was eliminated by the defense in that case because i work as a nurse paralegal for a large law firm that does medical malpractice defense work!)

Could a person be fined/jailed for leaving blanks on this form, do you know? There is no way I would put such personal information out there for any and all to read.

[MomofaMarine]

Someone should tell Scarlett that she doesn't need the script anymore, Target already filmed the movie.



Too funny! :thumbsup:

[MomofaMarine]

Bubba The Love Sponge Offers Anthonys $25K To Talk
Radio Host Seeks Casey Anthony's Parents

POSTED: 12:07 pm EDT October 23, 2009
UPDATED: 12:35 pm EDT October 23, 2009


http://www.wesh.com/news/21403347/detail.html

[onlykaty]

I don't know much about this guy thats wanting them on his show, but it seems from those who do, think he would ask them things they won't want to answer. No way are they going to do anything if they don't have control of their own script. I'm sure by now they have the scoop and will not go anywhere near his show...jmo

[desmom]

Casey Anthony: In media circus, her family is like the Three Stooges
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/10/casey-anthony-in-media-circus-her-family-is-like-the-three-stooges.html

From their depositions to their press interviews to their behavior in the streets, the Anthonys just keep supplying headlines.

Just when you think they can't top themselves for unpredictable antics, they do.

Without them, we probably would never have had the media circus.

[MomofaMarine]

Casey Anthony: In media circus, her family is like the Three Stooges
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/10/casey-anthony-in-media-circus-her-family-is-like-the-three-stooges.html

From their depositions to their press interviews to their behavior in the streets, the Anthonys just keep supplying headlines.

Just when you think they can't top themselves for unpredictable antics, they do.

Without them, we probably would never have had the media circus.

From your link:

The family is a side show. Could that be the family's goal: Divert our attention from a child's murder?


They certainly are a side show. :thumbup:

[Scampi]

Casey Anthony: In media circus, her family is like the Three Stooges
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/10/casey-anthony-in-media-circus-her-family-is-like-the-three-stooges.html

From their depositions to their press interviews to their behavior in the streets, the Anthonys just keep supplying headlines.

Just when you think they can't top themselves for unpredictable antics, they do.

Without them, we probably would never have had the media circus.

From your link:

"In that moment, Cindy reminded me of overbearing Moe from the Three Stooges. Like Moe, she pushes others around: George being hapless Curly and son Lee being along-for-the-ride Larry. "

:lol:

[crimeq]

From your link:

"In that moment, Cindy reminded me of overbearing Moe from the Three Stooges. Like Moe, she pushes others around: George being hapless Curly and son Lee being along-for-the-ride Larry. "

:lol:

Love this! Hal's entire article is sooooooo right on! :thumbsup:

[Kathlb]

Casey Anthony: In media circus, her family is like the Three Stooges
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/10/casey-anthony-in-media-circus-her-family-is-like-the-three-stooges.html

From their depositions to their press interviews to their behavior in the streets, the Anthonys just keep supplying headlines.

Just when you think they can't top themselves for unpredictable antics, they do.

Without them, we probably would never have had the media circus.

I had to comment on this one. My post should show up soon. :-)

[KP1935]

From your link:

"In that moment, Cindy reminded me of overbearing Moe from the Three Stooges. Like Moe, she pushes others around: George being hapless Curly and son Lee being along-for-the-ride Larry. "

:lol:

"You butter brains, why I oughta smash you to smitherines with this HAMMER!"

[trich]

The basic, fundamental problem Casey has is that none of her actions, stories or behavior in general is anything that normal people can relate to. This problem is even bigger than Casey; her entire family behaves irrationally. It is terribly difficult to relate to them because they are so strange.

Imagine the difference if instead of lying her azz off, Casey had told a story of how deeply unhappy and depressed she had become living in Cindy's house being reminded daily that she was an unwed mother, an unemployed high school dropout, and that Caylee was "a mistake." Casey saw her friends having fun without the burdens of motherhood but when Casey conned her mother into watching Caylee so she could go to a party, Cindy found out and severely chastised Casey for that. Similarly, Casey saw her friends buying nice things with money they earned at their nice jobs but when Casey used her mother's credit cards without permission and stole money from her grandmother so that Casey could buy nice things too, Casey was verbally and physically attacked for that. We've all heard Cindy's sharp tongue towards the media when she knew she was being recorded and presumably would have toned it down a bit. The police records show neighbors calling the police due to the domestic disturbances coming from the Anthony residence.

Casey could explain how her depression and resentment deepened until she was failing to properly supervise and care for Caylee, perhaps while Caylee was using the pool. Then, when Casey discovered what had happened, she panicked. Caylee's body was hidden so poorly because Casey did not plan out any premeditated murder but merely was acting on the spur of the moment. Casey's "ugly coping" was an effort to put the whole traumatic situation out of her mind, until finally she was forced to soberly confront reality.

Wouldn't that story be easier to swallow than the current "blame everyone else even if they don't exist" strategy? The imagi-nanny story is provably false in all important respects (no job = no need for a nanny, vacant apt., no phone number, no one has ever seen the nanny, changing stories, no script, etc.) and Casey's story about searching for Caylee at various nightclubs - and the tattoo parlour - is simply not believable. The defense has got to come up with something better.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Wouldn't be surprised if Baez used that exact theory for his defense of Casey's actions.
Maybe get people feeling sorry for Casey instead of hating her for killing her own child.
Personally IMO there never could be a reason , or excuse for what she has done.
And anyone who could have compassion for her has themselves a serious problem.
I would have to say that if I was so miserable in a situation .....the solution is to remove yourseslf and your child from said situation not to kill your own flesh and blood.

[desmom]

From your link:

The family is a side show. Could that be the family's goal: Divert our attention from a child's murder?


They certainly are a side show. :thumbup:

They are something else.

I remember hearing about Caylee on Nancy Grace or one of the major news channels. I checked the boards and followed some of the earlier news links.

Then Cindy started with the media interviews. I found her more interesting to watch than most prime time tv shows because I never knew what was going to come out of Cindy's mouth next.

Of the top of my head, my first memory of Cindy in front of the cameras was http://www.wesh.com/video/16957990/index.html

jmo

[Scampi]

Love this! Hal's entire article is sooooooo right on! :thumbsup:

It is, I just have to laugh that Mr. Hal is depicting the anthonys as the three stooges when we have seen them in the past with their Hammers, sign ripping and limp hoses, he nailed them.......too funny. :tongueside:

[ish]

They are something else.

I remember hearing about Caylee on Nancy Grace or one of the major news channels. I checked the boards and followed some of the earlier news links.

Then Cindy started with the media interviews. I found her more interesting to watch than most prime time tv shows because I never knew what was going to come out of Cindy's mouth next.

Of the top of my head, my first memory of Cindy in front of the cameras was http://www.wesh.com/video/16957990/index.html

jmo

The moment I knew this case was going to be front page for a long time was the time Cindy was speaking to, I believe, an anchorwoman from Fox and the anchorwoman went off on her. Cindy was so nasty, obviously because evidence was pointing towards Casey, that she was getting combative with the anchorlady. I think it was Meghan something, she gave it to Cindy good.

[SayItAgain]

Love this! Hal's entire article is sooooooo right on! :thumbsup:

Up until recently, Hal was more or less just "reporting the news" on his blog -- quoting the news anchors, etc.

Something finally got his personal goat with regard to the Anthonys -- he's definitely had the gloves off recently. :w00t:

[kakax]

Thanks for the link.

What does one's political or religious preference, the names of the schools they attended; their children's names, ages and schools they attend have to do with serving jury duty?



I don't know, but I was asked the same questions in murder trial here in GA. They weren't written, they were asked in the court.

[bballgrl]

I had to comment on this one. My post should show up soon. :-)

Saw it.. Poor Kath, no more stooges for you? :thumbsup:

[kakax]

Morning Frankie :seeya:

But these questions are listed on the questionnaire for the check fraud case.


True....does seem a bit overboard.

[no1what]

Hmm, one scenario was Amy owed Casey money and Amy gave Casey permission to write checks on her account up to the amount Amy owed Casey.

I remember it being discussed but not sure if it was something Cindy said or it was speculation on the boards. jmo


IMO Casey will not have a legitimate excuse for the items she bought or her demeanor while checking out.

IMO Casey's actions will convict her.

[denjet]

From your link:

"In that moment, Cindy reminded me of overbearing Moe from the Three Stooges. Like Moe, she pushes others around: George being hapless Curly and son Lee being along-for-the-ride Larry. "

:lol:

Hi Scampi!
I got a chuckle out of that myself ... I was picturing Cindy (Moe) saying to George "Why you nucklehead!" and slapping him upside his head !! :biggrin:

[no1what]

Well, yes, there would still be problems with the case. They would have to claim the duct tape had been applied post-mortem to stop fluid purging while Casey transported Caylee's body. The 31 days would be explained by Casey not being able to deal with the tragedy and/or being afraid of what Cindy would say/do when Cindy found out that Caylee had died due to Casey's inattentiveness. They would have to explain away the prior computer searches for neck-breaking, chloroform, household weapons, etc. They would have to explain away Casey's failure to confide in her brother, her boyfriend or any of her very close friends. And yet, IMO the accidental death story would still be a better story than the imagi-nanny story.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions


IMO the neck breaking and chloroform research was not meant for Caylee.......

[gaelicpeas]

Interesting discussion on the carseat on WS. See post #88 for 2 pics of Caylee in the carseat, then the final pic is the pic of the carseat when it was taken into evidence. They are different carseats! Look at how high the back of the carseat is in #1, and then look at #3. JMO

ETA: Also, the colors are different - but that could be due to the lighting.

[jose]

Interesting discussion on the carseat on WS. See post #88 for 2 pics of Caylee in the carseat, then the final pic is the pic of the carseat when it was taken into evidence. They are different carseats! Look at how high the back of the carseat is in #1, and then look at #3. JMO

ETA: Also, the colors are different - but that could be due to the lighting.

what is WS

[gaelicpeas]

One more thing about the carseat. In her depo, it is during this discussion that CA starts to cry.

[Armadillo]

The basic, fundamental problem Casey has is that none of her actions, stories or behavior in general is anything that normal people can relate to. This problem is even bigger than Casey; her entire family behaves irrationally. It is terribly difficult to relate to them because they are so strange.

Imagine the difference if instead of lying her azz off, Casey had told a story of how deeply unhappy and depressed she had become living in Cindy's house being reminded daily that she was an unwed mother, an unemployed high school dropout, and that Caylee was "a mistake." Casey saw her friends having fun without the burdens of motherhood but when Casey conned her mother into watching Caylee so she could go to a party, Cindy found out and severely chastised Casey for that. Similarly, Casey saw her friends buying nice things with money they earned at their nice jobs but when Casey used her mother's credit cards without permission and stole money from her grandmother so that Casey could buy nice things too, Casey was verbally and physically attacked for that. We've all heard Cindy's sharp tongue towards the media when she knew she was being recorded and presumably would have toned it down a bit. The police records show neighbors calling the police due to the domestic disturbances coming from the Anthony residence.

Casey could explain how her depression and resentment deepened until she was failing to properly supervise and care for Caylee, perhaps while Caylee was using the pool. Then, when Casey discovered what had happened, she panicked. Caylee's body was hidden so poorly because Casey did not plan out any premeditated murder but merely was acting on the spur of the moment. Casey's "ugly coping" was an effort to put the whole traumatic situation out of her mind, until finally she was forced to soberly confront reality.

Wouldn't that story be easier to swallow than the current "blame everyone else even if they don't exist" strategy? The imagi-nanny story is provably false in all important respects (no job = no need for a nanny, vacant apt., no phone number, no one has ever seen the nanny, changing stories, no script, etc.) and Casey's story about searching for Caylee at various nightclubs - and the tattoo parlour - is simply not believable. The defense has got to come up with something better.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Yes...it would be more believable...not excusable...but more believable and there would be a lot more sympathy for KC and the family as a whole...I can have sympathy for someone and still believe they must pay for what they do and what choices they make.

[desmom]

The moment I knew this case was going to be front page for a long time was the time Cindy was speaking to, I believe, an anchorwoman from Fox and the anchorwoman went off on her. Cindy was so nasty, obviously because evidence was pointing towards Casey, that she was getting combative with the anchorlady. I think it was Meghan something, she gave it to Cindy good.

The M & J Show interview on July 29?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZvEhnzlobA

[crimeq]

The moment I knew this case was going to be front page for a long time was the time Cindy was speaking to, I believe, an anchorwoman from Fox and the anchorwoman went off on her. Cindy was so nasty, obviously because evidence was pointing towards Casey, that she was getting combative with the anchorlady. I think it was Meghan something, she gave it to Cindy good.

Yes, to this day, she's the only reporter who has handled Cindy correctly! LOL, would love to see her have more interaction with Cindy but you know Cindy would steer way clear of Meghan. :biggrin:

[crimeq]

Hi Scampi!
I got a chuckle out of that myself ... I was picturing Cindy (Moe) saying to George "Why you nucklehead!" and slapping him upside his head !! :biggrin:

nyuck nyuck nyuck :w00t:

[BettyC]

Casey Anthony: In media circus, her family is like the Three Stooges
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/10/casey-anthony-in-media-circus-her-family-is-like-the-three-stooges.html

From their depositions to their press interviews to their behavior in the streets, the Anthonys just keep supplying headlines.

Just when you think they can't top themselves for unpredictable antics, they do.

Without them, we probably would never have had the media circus.

Is that "our" Kathlib who commented "nuk nuk nuk"? Perfect.

[Scampi]

Up until recently, Hal was more or less just "reporting the news" on his blog -- quoting the news anchors, etc.

Something finally got his personal goat with regard to the Anthonys -- he's definitely had the gloves off recently. :w00t:

I think what has really gotten to the people covering this case, is the rank exploitation of this murdered child by her entire family.

This last bit was the straw that broke the camel's back, having it revealed that they were having problems making ends meet as the reason for accepting the 20 grand from 48 hours, only to then see them sail away on a cruise.

Add in their questionable statements under oath to LE and I can see why Hal and Kathy Belich have obviously taken the gloves off.

IMO

[desmom]

P.I. Fights Being Deposed In Casey Case
http://www.wftv.com/news/21405263/detail.html

Motion: P.I.'s Privilege Log
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21405276/detail.html

[BettyC]

Saw it.. Poor Kath, no more stooges for you? :thumbsup:

Oh it WAS her !! lolol I knew it.

[Armadillo]

They are something else.

I remember hearing about Caylee on Nancy Grace or one of the major news channels. I checked the boards and followed some of the earlier news links.

Then Cindy started with the media interviews. I found her more interesting to watch than most prime time tv shows because I never knew what was going to come out of Cindy's mouth next.

Of the top of my head, my first memory of Cindy in front of the cameras was http://www.wesh.com/video/16957990/index.html

jmo

Oh yeah...that was right after the "I am a nurse of decomposition" statement...:biggrin:

[BettyC]

P.I. Fights Being Deposed In Casey Case
http://www.wftv.com/news/21405263/detail.html

Motion: P.I.'s Privilege Log
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21405276/detail.html

I'd like to see this guy do some jail time too for interferring with a murder investigation.

Or for slandering people.

Something!!!

[kingfish]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/ent...e-stooges.html

from the comments section:

Cindy...Moe? YES, now that you mention it, there's a certain resemblance! The bowl haircut, for sure. Plus, I can definitely see Cindy slappin' the other two around! Soitenly!!

Posted by: DS in LA | October 23, 2009 at 03:32 PM


Priceless....just Priceless

[Explorer]

nyuck nyuck nyuck :w00t:

I think it was numbskull bit I was too young to remember.:laugh:

[Sun]

The moment I knew this case was going to be front page for a long time was the time Cindy was speaking to, I believe, an anchorwoman from Fox and the anchorwoman went off on her. Cindy was so nasty, obviously because evidence was pointing towards Casey, that she was getting combative with the anchorlady. I think it was Meghan something, she gave it to Cindy good.

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=2503541&referralPlaylistId=playlist

Do you mean this interviw?

[MomofaMarine]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/ent...e-stooges.html

from the comments section:

Cindy...Moe? YES, now that you mention it, there's a certain resemblance! The bowl haircut, for sure. Plus, I can definitely see Cindy slappin' the other two around! Soitenly!!

Posted by: DS in LA | October 23, 2009 at 03:32 PM


Priceless....just Priceless

OMG! Too funny! I will never look at the 3 Stooges the same way again! :lol:

[crimeq]

OMG! Too funny! I will never look at the 3 Stooges the same way again! :lol:

I'll never look at CINDY the same way again! :tonguewag:

[desmom]

o/t The body of Elizabeth Olten was found around 3:00 p.m. this afternoon. Early reports state LE was lead to her body by a teenager who was described as an acquaintance of Elizabeth's. The teenager is in custody. A thread for Elizabeth can be found http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=359777

:rose: Elizabeth Olten :rose:

[MomofaMarine]

o/t The body of Elizabeth Olten was found around 3:00 p.m. this afternoon. Early reports state LE was lead to her body by a teenager who was described as an acquaintance of Elizabeth's. The teenager is in custody. A thread for Elizabeth can be found http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=359777

:rose: Elizabeth Olten :rose:


Thanks Desmom. :sad:

[Postergeist]

so sad for little Elizabeth. :sad:


I think we are allowed to post links to Websleuths correct? It is interesting about what GaelicPeas was reading about the differences in car seats-

the pics are here-

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69243&page=4

which makes me wonder if this is why Cindy did not want LE to see those JCPenney receipts, instead of it being about some sort of jewelry or bedding, but perhaps a car seat or seat covering.

imo

[desmom]

Cindy really did turn this entire investigation into a media circus. Cindy would do local and national news interviews blah, blahing. She would say things that everyone knew was a lie. Did she really believe if she kept repeating the lies she could convince the public it was the truth?

Where was JB in all of this? He had to know their interviews was keeping the case in the national spotlight and harming his client? WTH did he not go for a gag order? Wait a minute! What am I thinking? JB likes to be in the spotlight too.

jmo

[Scampi]

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=2503541&referralPlaylistId=playlist

Do you mean this interviw?

This is my absolute favorite interview of cynthia and it was done by Megyn Kelly. Megyn didn't take any of the nonsense and lies and she put cynthia in her place. I loved it.

The other interview Des linked to was also excellent and showed cynthia to be the argumentative and manipulative woman she is. I think both of these interviews may just show up in the courtroom as evidence.

[Sun]

P.I. Fights Being Deposed In Casey Case
http://www.wftv.com/news/21405263/detail.html

Motion: P.I.'s Privilege Log
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21405276/detail.html

I completely don't understand the statements that DTennis is making. And, why can't she spell her own client's name correctly!

For one, the signed agreement with Cindy and George was dated Oct 31 (IIRC), not Oct 17th as she is now stating.

DCasey did not work for NeJame, and BConway didn't appear until Dec 11th. I just do not understand how any privilege can be claimed during the period that he worked for Cindy and George. And, DCasey admitted that he didn't have any contact with Casey (Baez didn't allow any contact with Casey) once she was arrested for murder. Shucks, has DCasey ever gave any indication that be worked for BConway, at any time?

Motion: P.I.'s Privilege Log
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21405276/detail.html

[desmom]

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=2503541&referralPlaylistId=playlist

Do you mean this interviw?



I don't remember this interview. Thanks for the link :seeya:

[Pierre]

I completely don't understand the statements that DTennis is making. And, why can't she spell her own client's name correctly!
For one, the signed agreement with Cindy and George was dated Oct 31 (IIRC), not Oct 17th as she is now stating.

DCasey did not work for NeJame, and BConway didn't appear until Dec 11th. I just do not understand how any privilege can be claimed during the period that he worked for Cindy and George. And, DCasey admitted that he didn't have any contact with Casey (Baez didn't allow any contact with Casey) once she was arrested for murder. Shucks, has DCasey ever gave any indication that be worked for BConway, at any time?

Motion: P.I.'s Privilege Log
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21405276/detail.html

And she puts Ms Casey at the end!

[*MoonRider*]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/ent...e-stooges.html

from the comments section:

Cindy...Moe? YES, now that you mention it, there's a certain resemblance! The bowl haircut, for sure. Plus, I can definitely see Cindy slappin' the other two around! Soitenly!!

Posted by: DS in LA | October 23, 2009 at 03:32 PM


Priceless....just Priceless

Here's a side by side
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/cindymoe.jpg

[Scampi]

OMG! Too funny! I will never look at the 3 Stooges the same way again! :lol:

Nyuk, Nyuk, Nyuk! (http://bestsmileys.com/famous/8.gif)


:tonguewag:

[Sun]

I don't remember this interview. Thanks for the link :seeya:

desmom, earlier this year, my link for that interview went *poof*! I'm thinking that it might have been you that helped me locate a working link.... and I so far it's still working. I wonder if Cindy kept count of how many interviews of hers were aired? There sure seems like their is a great number of them!

[ish]

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=2503541&referralPlaylistId=playlist

Do you mean this interviw?

Yes, one of the few times someone took Cindy on.

[Sun]

And she puts Ms Casey at the end!

I wonder if we'll soon see a court hearing scheduled.

[Katprint]

Yes...it would be more believable...not excusable...but more believable and there would be a lot more sympathy for KC and the family as a whole...I can have sympathy for someone and still believe they must pay for what they do and what choices they make.
Sympathy can make the difference between an acquittal due to "reasonable doubt" vs. a conviction. The difference between a conviction for Manslaughter vs. First Degree Murder. The difference between serving a term of years vs. life without possibility of parole vs. the death penalty.

I am always amazed at the Anthonys' public displays of meanness. Every time I see them being nasty - for example during their jailhouse conversations when they are rude/insulting to each other or while talking about other people, or their depositions, or to the protesters, or to the media as they disembarked from their cruise - I can't help but think "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all." Cindy could have hired a local handyman to stake out her "keep of the grass" signs and caution tape. She and George could have stayed inside their house instead of frequently going outside to confront protesters. Cindy could have silently walked past the media who filmed them coming off their cruise ship instead of making derisive comments. Depending how the Anthonys behave when they are called as witnesses at trial, the jury may project their unpleasantness onto Casey - especially if Casey doesn't testify - and dislike her because of her family. When the jury doesn't like one side, they tend to give greater weight to the other side's witnesses/evidence.

Compare the Anthonys to Melissa Huckaby and her family, all of whom have been keeping pretty quiet. They have pretty much vanished from media coverage because they don't do anything interesting. No one wants to watch a news story saying, "Today, the Huckabys continued to quietly mind their own business." People feel sorry for the Huckaby family despite the heinous crimes Melissa Huckaby may have committed.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[GumShoeJoe]

The basic, fundamental problem Casey has is that none of her actions, stories or behavior in general is anything that normal people can relate to. This problem is even bigger than Casey; her entire family behaves irrationally. It is terribly difficult to relate to them because they are so strange.

Imagine the difference if instead of lying her azz off, Casey had told a story of how deeply unhappy and depressed she had become living in Cindy's house being reminded daily that she was an unwed mother, an unemployed high school dropout, and that Caylee was "a mistake." Casey saw her friends having fun without the burdens of motherhood but when Casey conned her mother into watching Caylee so she could go to a party, Cindy found out and severely chastised Casey for that. Similarly, Casey saw her friends buying nice things with money they earned at their nice jobs but when Casey used her mother's credit cards without permission and stole money from her grandmother so that Casey could buy nice things too, Casey was verbally and physically attacked for that. We've all heard Cindy's sharp tongue towards the media when she knew she was being recorded and presumably would have toned it down a bit. The police records show neighbors calling the police due to the domestic disturbances coming from the Anthony residence.

Casey could explain how her depression and resentment deepened until she was failing to properly supervise and care for Caylee, perhaps while Caylee was using the pool. Then, when Casey discovered what had happened, she panicked. Caylee's body was hidden so poorly because Casey did not plan out any premeditated murder but merely was acting on the spur of the moment. Casey's "ugly coping" was an effort to put the whole traumatic situation out of her mind, until finally she was forced to soberly confront reality.

Wouldn't that story be easier to swallow than the current "blame everyone else even if they don't exist" strategy? The imagi-nanny story is provably false in all important respects (no job = no need for a nanny, vacant apt., no phone number, no one has ever seen the nanny, changing stories, no script, etc.) and Casey's story about searching for Caylee at various nightclubs - and the tattoo parlour - is simply not believable. The defense has got to come up with something better.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Good write-up, and I wonder if it is close to what actually DID happen and why.

I do suspect, however, that they are going to use the "overbearing, intolerable Cindy" excuse to explain why she didn't report her daughter missing for 31 days to try and mitigate the care-free party girl image. She was too scared of Cindy. Make Cindy a bad guy. Lord knows she is making people dislike her enough, already, which nicely sets the stage for the defense. The defense could make that jury hate Cindy.

[Postergeist]

oh watching HLN news now with Mike and the family of Somer Thompson was singing "you are my sunshine" and he said that was one of Somer's favorite songs- which of course made me think of Caylee and her last known video of her before she was murdered- singing 'you are my sunshine'.

So now there is a 7 year old with a 2 3/4 year old from Florida that both know that song who have been murdered. :crying:

The Anthonys don't believe in the death penalty however, but Somer's mom wants that for the killer of her daughter.

[Sun]

Yes, one of the few times someone took Cindy on.

Megyn wasn't allowing Cindy to run the interview, and Cindy got all riled up. Cindy had her own agenda, and became rude in an attempt to get her way.

[desmom]

I completely don't understand the statements that DTennis is making. And, why can't she spell her own client's name correctly!

For one, the signed agreement with Cindy and George was dated Oct 31 (IIRC), not Oct 17th as she is now stating.

DCasey did not work for NeJame, and BConway didn't appear until Dec 11th. I just do not understand how any privilege can be claimed during the period that he worked for Cindy and George. And, DCasey admitted that he didn't have any contact with Casey (Baez didn't allow any contact with Casey) once she was arrested for murder. Shucks, has DCasey ever gave any indication that be worked for BConway, at any time?

Motion: P.I.'s Privilege Log
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21405276/detail.html

You recall correctly. George and Cindy signed D & A Investigation contract on October 31. His attorney used the date at the top of the contract, October 17, and not the date the contract was signed.

The contract is on pages 23-24 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21148535/detail.html

jmo

[crimeq]

Here's a side by side
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/cindymoe.jpg

OMG :lol::lol:

[Sun]

You recall correctly. George and Cindy signed D & A Investigation contract on October 31. His attorney used the date at the top of the contract, October 17, and not the date the contract was signed.

The contract is on pages 23-24 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21148535/detail.html

jmo

desmom, you continue to amaze me, with your talent in finding links! Did you notice that Page 2 of that Oct 31 dated contract was "missing?"

[desmom]

desmom, you continue to amaze me, with your talent in finding links! Did you notice that Page 2 of that Oct 31 dated contract was "missing?"

I get lucky finding links but do not always see the important things like Page 2 of the contract is missing!!

Great Catch! The hand numbered pages are in sequence. Where the heck is page 2?

[Sun]

I get lucky finding links but do not always see the important things like Page 2 of the contract is missing!!

Great Catch! The hand numbered pages are in sequence. Where the heck is page 2?

My imagination is telling me that Page 2 was not "provided" by DCasey (or maybe Cindy and George), and that Page 2 probably describes the "payment" details of the contract. Maybe?

[Bala]

Sympathy can make the difference between an acquittal due to "reasonable doubt" vs. a conviction. The difference between a conviction for Manslaughter vs. First Degree Murder. The difference between serving a term of years vs. life without possibility of parole vs. the death penalty.

I am always amazed at the Anthonys' public displays of meanness. Every time I see them being nasty - for example during their jailhouse conversations when they are rude/insulting to each other or while talking about other people, or their depositions, or to the protesters, or to the media as they disembarked from their cruise - I can't help but think "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all." Cindy could have hired a local handyman to stake out her "keep of the grass" signs and caution tape. She and George could have stayed inside their house instead of frequently going outside to confront protesters. Cindy could have silently walked past the media who filmed them coming off their cruise ship instead of making derisive comments. Depending how the Anthonys behave when they are called as witnesses at trial, the jury may project their unpleasantness onto Casey - especially if Casey doesn't testify - and dislike her because of her family. When the jury doesn't like one side, they tend to give greater weight to the other side's witnesses/evidence.

Compare the Anthonys to Melissa Huckaby and her family, all of whom have been keeping pretty quiet. They have pretty much vanished from media coverage because they don't do anything interesting. No one wants to watch a news story saying, "Today, the Huckabys continued to quietly mind their own business." People feel sorry for the Huckaby family despite the heinous crimes Melissa Huckaby may have committed.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions
I have never believed Casey was afraid of Cindy. If she was would she be robbing her blind ever chance she got. Casey learned along time ago that Cindy's bark was worse than her bite.

[summer]

I have never believed Casey was afraid of Cindy. If she was would she be robbing her blind ever chance she got. Casey learned along time ago that Cindy's bark was worse than her bite.

Hi Bala, I know it doesn't seem to add up, but I do think she was terrified of Cindy, deeply terrified. And she had the rage of a thousand suns to go along with it. She was afraid of her mother and she hated her mother. I can't explain it but I feel Katprint is correct.

[SayItAgain]

I have never believed Casey was afraid of Cindy. If she was would she be robbing her blind ever chance she got. Casey learned along time ago that Cindy's bark was worse than her bite.

I think it's more likely Casey didn't want to confirm to Cindy she indeed was the loser Cindy accused her of being. Casey having done something to Caylee would give Cindy a HUGE advantage in the sick game they played with each other.

[jammies]

I have never believed Casey was afraid of Cindy. If she was would she be robbing her blind ever chance she got. Casey learned along time ago that Cindy's bark was worse than her bite.


I agree, Bala. Cindy was a mere annoyance to Casey. Sure didn't stop her from lying, cheating, stealing and using her mother for her own ends. Oh I'm SURE they fought all the time but we know Cindy never followed through on any threats.
I don't think Casey gave one patootee what Cindy thought.

[jammies]

I think it's more likely Casey didn't want to confirm to Cindy she indeed was the loser Cindy accused her of being. Casey having done something to Caylee would give Cindy a HUGE advantage in the sick game they played with each other.


They both have the need to be "right". Wonder which one always got the last word?

[summer]

I think it's more likely Casey didn't want to confirm to Cindy she indeed was the loser Cindy accused her of being. Casey having done something to Caylee would give Cindy a HUGE advantage in the sick game they played with each other.

Hiya sis! I was just reading some old posts and agree with your feelings about Judge Strickland's conversation with that MarinaDave person.

That was totally weird and inappropriate and frankly shocking to me. WTH? I'm disappointed in Strickland big time. He might like this Dave but so much he has to make a spectacle out of himself complimenting him? Not good. Not good at all.

[desmom]

From page 2 of "Privilege Log of Dominic Casey" in support of the Motion to Strike Notice of Deposition and Motion for Protective Order http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21405276/detail.html

1. The only information that Mr. Casey has regarding Casey Anthony, George and Cindy Anthony, or Caylee Anthony's disappearance and murder are through his work as an investigator for the legal teams representing the three adults.

*Would DC need a contract with the attorney of each adult for him to be an investigator for the "legal teams representing the three adults" or would a contract with the "three adults" cover the legal teams? TIA

2. That Mr. Case was hired by the Baez Law Firm for legal work beginning July 28, 2008; by Case Anthony beginning September 12, 2008; and by George and Cindy Anthony beginning October 17,2 008.

3. All information that Ms. Casey has pertaining to these relationships is privileged.

(my note - typos are not mine. Ms. Casey and Mr. Case are from the motion.)

*DC makes no mention of Lee Anthony. If DC shared any information about the investigation with Lee, would it still be considered privileged?

On January 7, 2009, DC told Sgt John Allen, Special Agent Nicholas Savage with Brad Conway present http://www.wftv.com/pdf/18974273/detail.html

page 35 ...that I terminated D & A Investigations terminated services effective October 1st with the Baez Law Firm.

LE asked if he entered into an agreement with Casey on September 12 and DC said yes. LE asked if was still working for Casey. On page 36 DC said that agreement has not been terminated and he was still working for Casey on December 9 and "still am".

Page 37 - Sgt Allen reads an email he received from DC on December 9: ....are not connected uh, nor does D & A Investigations find any uh, kind of services to the defense team... DC read the email and confirmed he had sent it to Sgt. Allen.

page 38
"As of effective October 12th is the last conversation, or whatever, that I've ever had with Casey Anthony. I've not provided any services from that day forward.

And exclusively from that date of only being provided services to George and Cindy Anthony.

Jose Baez went ahead and, and blocked any contact. As far as I'm concerned that was uh, that was in uhm, in effect. But there's no services provided."

So what is up with the "Privilege Log of Dominic Casey" in support of the Motion to Strike Notice of Deposition and Motion for Protective Order? Is a private eye's work product protected? TIA

[martha]

This is my absolute favorite interview of cynthia and it was done by Megyn Kelly. Megyn didn't take any of the nonsense and lies and she put cynthia in her place. I loved it.

The other interview Des linked to was also excellent and showed cynthia to be the argumentative and manipulative woman she is. I think both of these interviews may just show up in the courtroom as evidence.Megyn did the only interview with cindy that was any good. she told cindy like it was I am so prowd of her and how she told cindy what it was all about. I wish Megyn could do a new interview with cindy now but i bet cindy would not do one with her. It was the best interview I have seen in all this time.jmho:wub:

[summer]

Megyn did the only interview with cindy that was any good. she told cindy like it was I am so prowd of her and how she told cindy what it was all about. I wish Megyn could do a new interview with cindy now but i bet cindy would not do one with her. It was the best interview I have seen in all this time.jmho:wub:

Yes, Martha and the funny thing is Megyn was just asking the questions that any decent journalist would ask. The questions the viewers wanted answers to. I doubt she was out for bear before the interview started but Cindy was so obnoxious and beyond the norm the thing just escalated.

I'll never understand why no-one else questioned her that way. Greta backed down totally even though Cindy was disgusting to her and even had that big house tour interview after that.

All in all the media has made me sick in the way they've treated these grieving (snort) grandparents. It's like they've wanted to create a set of caring grandparents out of whole cloth, no matter that these particular people didn't fit the bill at all. It's just *Interviewing Grandparents of Murdered Children for Dummies*... or something.

[djmsmom]

I agree, Bala. Cindy was a mere annoyance to Casey. Sure didn't stop her from lying, cheating, stealing and using her mother for her own ends. Oh I'm SURE they fought all the time but we know Cindy never followed through on any threats.
I don't think Casey gave one patootee what Cindy thought.

I think Cindy was afraid of Casey, and what she was capable of doing. Why wouldn't she let George confront Casey when they knew she wasn't really working? I would be so afraid FOR my child that was lieing and partying, they had to have known that sooner or later that her stealing would go too far. Maybe she even threaten to do harm to Caylee.

[gaelicpeas]

Yes, Martha and the funny thing is Megyn was just asking the questions that any decent journalist would ask. The questions the viewers wanted answers to. I doubt she was out for bear before the interview started but Cindy was so obnoxious and beyond the norm the thing just escalated.

I'll never understand why no-one else questioned her that way. Greta backed down totally even though Cindy was disgusting to her and even had that big house tour interview after that.

All in all the media has made me sick in the way they've treated these grieving (snort) grandparents. It's like they've wanted to create a set of caring grandparents out of whole cloth, no matter that these particular people didn't fit the bill at all. It's just *Interviewing Grandparents of Murdered Children for Dummies*... or something.I think the national media soft-gloves the Anthonys so they will get future interviews. The media knows full well that this family is now entertainment. JMO

[gaelicpeas]

I think Cindy was afraid of Casey, and what she was capable of doing. Why wouldn't she let George confront Casey when they knew she wasn't really working? I would be so afraid FOR my child that was lieing and partying, they had to have known that sooner or later that her stealing would go too far. Maybe she even threaten to do harm to Caylee.You know... I have known people like Casey. People with an extremely short fuse. I know I tend to steer clear of any emotional confrontations with them, because all heck breaks loose if you confront them with anything - and I personally like peace in my life. JMO

ETA: If my grandchild was involved though, I would have to step in.

[Sun]

From page 2 of "Privilege Log of Dominic Casey" in support of the Motion to Strike Notice of Deposition and Motion for Protective Order http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21405276/detail.html

1. The only information that Mr. Casey has regarding Casey Anthony, George and Cindy Anthony, or Caylee Anthony's disappearance and murder are through his work as an investigator for the legal teams representing the three adults.

*Would DC need a contract with the attorney of each adult for him to be an investigator for the "legal teams representing the three adults" or would a contract with the "three adults" cover the legal teams? TIA

2. That Mr. Case was hired by the Baez Law Firm for legal work beginning July 28, 2008; by Case Anthony beginning September 12, 2008; and by George and Cindy Anthony beginning October 17,2 008.

3. All information that Ms. Casey has pertaining to these relationships is privileged.

(my note - typos are not mine. Ms. Casey and Mr. Case are from the motion.)

*DC makes no mention of Lee Anthony. If DC shared any information about the investigation with Lee, would it still be considered privileged?

On January 7, 2009, DC told Sgt John Allen, Special Agent Nicholas Savage with Brad Conway present http://www.wftv.com/pdf/18974273/detail.html

page 35 ...that I terminated D & A Investigations terminated services effective October 1st with the Baez Law Firm.

LE asked if he entered into an agreement with Casey on September 12 and DC said yes. LE asked if was still working for Casey. On page 36 DC said that agreement has not been terminated and he was still working for Casey on December 9 and "still am".

Page 37 - Sgt Allen reads an email he received from DC on December 9: ....are not connected uh, nor does D & A Investigations find any uh, kind of services to the defense team... DC read the email and confirmed he had sent it to Sgt. Allen.

page 38
"As of effective October 12th is the last conversation, or whatever, that I've ever had with Casey Anthony. I've not provided any services from that day forward.

And exclusively from that date of only being provided services to George and Cindy Anthony.

Jose Baez went ahead and, and blocked any contact. As far as I'm concerned that was uh, that was in uhm, in effect. But there's no services provided."

So what is up with the "Privilege Log of Dominic Casey" in support of the Motion to Strike Notice of Deposition and Motion for Protective Order? Is a private eye's work product protected? TIA

Very, very nice summary desmom! I just can't see how DCasey can win a claim of "privilege" for the time period after his contract was ended with Baez. I don't think I've ever seen a signed contract with Casey herself, and I'm not quite sure how that might come into play.

I just can't understand how any claim of "privilege" would apply under any contract of George or Cindy's. They aren't attorneys. DCasey wasn't doing investigative work on a legal issue pointed towards Cindy or George. ...what legal loophole is DCasey trying to sneak though?

[martha]

Yes, Martha and the funny thing is Megyn was just asking the questions that any decent journalist would ask. The questions the viewers wanted answers to. I doubt she was out for bear before the interview started but Cindy was so obnoxious and beyond the norm the thing just escalated.

I'll never understand why no-one else questioned her that way. Greta backed down totally even though Cindy was disgusting to her and even had that big house tour interview after that.

All in all the media has made me sick in the way they've treated these grieving (snort) grandparents. It's like they've wanted to create a set of caring grandparents out of whole cloth, no matter that these particular people didn't fit the bill at all. It's just *Interviewing Grandparents of Murdered Children for Dummies*... or something.You or so right. I think the media is nice to them just to get the inv.but it would be great to see someone ask the hard questions.jmho:wub:

[achristie]

I think Cindy was afraid of Casey, and what she was capable of doing. Why wouldn't she let George confront Casey when they knew she wasn't really working? I would be so afraid FOR my child that was lieing and partying, they had to have known that sooner or later that her stealing would go too far. Maybe she even threaten to do harm to Caylee.

I agree. I think the parents danced around Casey for a long time. They were fearful of what she was capable of doing. They spent years covering it up and making excuses. They even blamed the school for not telling them soon enough she couldn't graduate. I wonder if they thought having a child would center her? They certainly gave her unconditional support in that endeavor. But she couldn't sustain it. And Caylee paid the price.

MOO Aggie

[desmom]

Very, very nice summary desmom! I just can't see how DCasey can win a claim of "privilege" for the time period after his contract was ended with Baez. I don't think I've ever seen a signed contract with Casey herself, and I'm not quite sure how that might come into play.

I just can't understand how any claim of "privilege" would apply under any contract of George or Cindy's. They aren't attorneys. DCasey wasn't doing investigative work on a legal issue pointed towards Cindy or George. ...what legal loophole is DCasey trying to sneak though?

Thank you.

Maybe one of our legal eagles will be in this evening.

Wasn't Brad Conway at the LE meeting in January as DC's attorney?

Why would DC be willing to answer questions in January, but not now? What changed...besides DC getting a different attorney?

jmo

[Sun]

Thank you.

Maybe one of our legal eagles will be in this evening.

Wasn't Brad Conway at the LE meeting in January as DC's attorney?

Why would DC be willing to answer questions in January, but not now? What changed...besides DC getting a different attorney?

jmo

I do believe that BConway was representing DCasey at the LE interview in January. I thought that a bit odd, when I first learned of it.

What changed... maybe DCasey finally realized just how much trouble he's in, in regards to his actions or statements? Obstruction of justice, or lying in an official interview by LE/FBI?

[jammies]

I think Cindy was afraid of Casey, and what she was capable of doing. Why wouldn't she let George confront Casey when they knew she wasn't really working? I would be so afraid FOR my child that was lieing and partying, they had to have known that sooner or later that her stealing would go too far. Maybe she even threaten to do harm to Caylee.


ITA. When you read the depos that is exactly what comes across. They all tiptoed around Casey out of FEAR . ESPECIALLY Cindy. GA just went along with whatever Cindy said.

Why would Cindy need to see a therapist about Casey? What did she think that therapist was going to tell her other than kick her butt out?? Cindy needed validation for her enabling and when she didn't get it she never went back.

[newsjunkie]

From page 2 of "Privilege Log of Dominic Casey" in support of the Motion to Strike Notice of Deposition and Motion for Protective Order http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21405276/detail.html

1. The only information that Mr. Casey has regarding Casey Anthony, George and Cindy Anthony, or Caylee Anthony's disappearance and murder are through his work as an investigator for the legal teams representing the three adults.

*Would DC need a contract with the attorney of each adult for him to be an investigator for the "legal teams representing the three adults" or would a contract with the "three adults" cover the legal teams? TIA

2. That Mr. Case was hired by the Baez Law Firm for legal work beginning July 28, 2008; by Case Anthony beginning September 12, 2008; and by George and Cindy Anthony beginning October 17,2 008.

3. All information that Ms. Casey has pertaining to these relationships is privileged.

(my note - typos are not mine. Ms. Casey and Mr. Case are from the motion.)

*DC makes no mention of Lee Anthony. If DC shared any information about the investigation with Lee, would it still be considered privileged?

On January 7, 2009, DC told Sgt John Allen, Special Agent Nicholas Savage with Brad Conway present http://www.wftv.com/pdf/18974273/detail.html

page 35 ...that I terminated D & A Investigations terminated services effective October 1st with the Baez Law Firm.

LE asked if he entered into an agreement with Casey on September 12 and DC said yes. LE asked if was still working for Casey. On page 36 DC said that agreement has not been terminated and he was still working for Casey on December 9 and "still am".

Page 37 - Sgt Allen reads an email he received from DC on December 9: ....are not connected uh, nor does D & A Investigations find any uh, kind of services to the defense team... DC read the email and confirmed he had sent it to Sgt. Allen.

page 38
"As of effective October 12th is the last conversation, or whatever, that I've ever had with Casey Anthony. I've not provided any services from that day forward.

And exclusively from that date of only being provided services to George and Cindy Anthony.

Jose Baez went ahead and, and blocked any contact. As far as I'm concerned that was uh, that was in uhm, in effect. But there's no services provided."

So what is up with the "Privilege Log of Dominic Casey" in support of the Motion to Strike Notice of Deposition and Motion for Protective Order? Is a private eye's work product protected? TIA


Did I miss something?
At the bottom of that motion the attorney is signed as Diana something or other.
It said "Attorney for Casey Anthony" ???????

[Sun]

Did I miss something?
At the bottom of that motion the attorney is signed as Diana something or other.
It said "Attorney for Casey Anthony" ???????

Oh good catch!!! Why on earth would Tennis be an attorney for CASEY ANTHONY! I can't wait to see the State's response to this motion.

[Scampi]

I have to weigh in on the question of KC being afraid of cynthia. Does everyone recall KC's first words to cynthia after her arrest? It was a comment dripping with sarcasm about cynthia's "cameo" appearances.

KC anthony has absolutely no fear of cynthia or george, imo. IMO, it was the parents who were constantly dancing around and trying to keep the princess appeased. The person who paid the price for this appeasement was Caylee.

IMO

[newsjunkie]

Oh good catch!!! Why on earth would Tennis be an attorney for CASEY ANTHONY! I can't wait to see the State's response to this motion.


Whew! I was beginning to think I was hallucinating!:w00t:

[desmom]

Did I miss something?
At the bottom of that motion the attorney is signed as Diana something or other.
It said "Attorney for Casey Anthony" ???????

Great Catch! It appears The Law Office of Diana M. Tennis, P.A. needs to find a new typist. :lol:

[Scampi]

Oh good catch!!! Why on earth would Tennis be an attorney for CASEY ANTHONY! I can't wait to see the State's response to this motion.

Fatally flawed......lol.


:lol:

[desmom]

I have to weigh in on the question of KC being afraid of cynthia. Does everyone recall KC's first words to cynthia after her arrest? It was a comment dripping with sarcasm about cynthia's "cameo" appearances.

KC anthony has absolutely no fear of cynthia or george, imo. IMO, it was the parents who were constantly dancing around and trying to keep the princess appeased. The person who paid the price for this appeasement was Caylee.

IMO

The entire phone call home was dripping in sarcasm..imo.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/7/25/casey_anthony_calls_home_from_jail.html

Casey: Mom.

Cindy: Hey sweetie.

Casey: Well I just saw your nice little cameo on TV.

Cindy: Which one?

Casey: What do you mean which one?

Cindy: Which one? I did four different ones, and I don’t know, I haven’t seen them all. I’ve only seen one or two so far.

Casey: You don’t know what my involvement is and stuff?

Cindy: Casey.

Casey: Mom.

Cindy: What?

Casey: No.

audio: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/orl-casey-anthony-jail-full-mp3,0,5422703.mp3file

[Addy]

Good write-up, and I wonder if it is close to what actually DID happen and why.

I do suspect, however, that they are going to use the "overbearing, intolerable Cindy" excuse to explain why she didn't report her daughter missing for 31 days to try and mitigate the care-free party girl image. She was too scared of Cindy. Make Cindy a bad guy. Lord knows she is making people dislike her enough, already, which nicely sets the stage for the defense. The defense could make that jury hate Cindy.Stopping in quick to agree with you. Casey's party time may have been celebrating her freedom from Cindy.

[gaelicpeas]

I have to weigh in on the question of KC being afraid of cynthia. Does everyone recall KC's first words to cynthia after her arrest? It was a comment dripping with sarcasm about cynthia's "cameo" appearances.

KC anthony has absolutely no fear of cynthia or george, imo. IMO, it was the parents who were constantly dancing around and trying to keep the princess appeased. The person who paid the price for this appeasement was Caylee.

IMOITA, Scampi. Cindy wanted to keep the peace in that family.

[SayItAgain]

Hiya sis! I was just reading some old posts and agree with your feelings about Judge Strickland's conversation with that MarinaDave person.

That was totally weird and inappropriate and frankly shocking to me. WTH? I'm disappointed in Strickland big time. He might like this Dave but so much he has to make a spectacle out of himself complimenting him? Not good. Not good at all.

Hi summer! :seeya:

Yup ... I'm still feeling uncomfortable with all that. Just doesn't sit right with me.

[SayItAgain]

They both have the need to be "right". Wonder which one always got the last word?

If I were a betting gal, I'd bet Cindy got the last word most of the time. Casey, it seems, "got hers" by acting out in other ways.

[charmin 66]

ITA, Scampi. Cindy wanted to keep the peace in that family.

ITA. Hey Cindy, "how's that working for ya"

[Addy]

ITA, Scampi. Cindy wanted to keep the peace in that family.Yes, lol, as long as everyone agreed with her there would be peace :wink:

[SayItAgain]

ITA, Scampi. Cindy wanted to keep the peace in that family.

Can't agree with that, peas. Cindy wanted to control the family and have things the way SHE wanted them. I don't think she was interested in keeping the peace. I doubt she knows the meaning of the word. I think Cindy thrives on a lack of peace in her life, actually. All the drama keeps her from having to think about how screwed up she is.

[gaelicpeas]

Can't agree with that, peas. Cindy wanted to control the family and have things the way SHE wanted them. I don't think she was interested in keeping the peace. I doubt she knows the meaning of the word. I think Cindy thrives on a lack of peace in her life, actually. All the drama keeps her from having to think about how screwed up she is.ok, we can agree to disagree... :smile:

[SayItAgain]

ok, we can agree to disagree... :smile:

Kewl. :cool:

[TunaMelt]

I think the national media soft-gloves the Anthonys so they will get future interviews. The media knows full well that this family is now entertainment. JMO

Very true.
Their worth is only as entertainment now -- and the fun in it for the media is that the Anthony Family will do just about anything for a buck.

Ah, ratings!

But I think the Anthonys better hurry up and make all the blood money they can real fast because nobody's going to come calling with $$ in their hands, once the trial is over.

It's like watching monkeys at the zoo, they are really entertaining for a while, and extremely entertaining to some for a longer while, but finally, everybody walks away and leaves the monkeys all alone in their cage.
:tonguewag:

:w00t:

[TunaMelt]

Can't agree with that, peas. Cindy wanted to control the family and have things the way SHE wanted them. I don't think she was interested in keeping the peace. I doubt she knows the meaning of the word. I think Cindy thrives on a lack of peace in her life, actually. All the drama keeps her from having to think about how screwed up she is.

Yep.
And, all the drama makes her feel important.

:rolleyes:

[gaelicpeas]

Yep.
And, all the drama makes her feel important.

:rolleyes:I see it as NOW Cindy has control. She never had control before - Casey did. Now Cindy has no one to dispute her word - she rules! JMO

[seeing_eye]

Oh good catch!!! Why on earth would Tennis be an attorney for CASEY ANTHONY! I can't wait to see the State's response to this motion.

Does anyone ever proofread these motions? I would think an attorney (or those on their staff) would be more careful.

[gaelicpeas]

Does anyone ever proofread these motions? I would think an attorney (or those on their staff) would be more careful.Especially a 2 pager.

[seeing_eye]

I have to weigh in on the question of KC being afraid of cynthia. Does everyone recall KC's first words to cynthia after her arrest? It was a comment dripping with sarcasm about cynthia's "cameo" appearances.

KC anthony has absolutely no fear of cynthia or george, imo. IMO, it was the parents who were constantly dancing around and trying to keep the princess appeased. The person who paid the price for this appeasement was Caylee.

IMO

I agree, Scampi. Cindy, George, and Lee also, walked on eggshells when they had to deal with Casey. All I can do is wonder why? Surely, the 3 of them together could take her!!

[gaelicpeas]

I agree, Scampi. Cindy, George, and Lee also, walked on eggshells when they had to deal with Casey. All I can do is wonder why? Surely, the 3 of them together could take her!!
Ok... I can see that we are in 2 camps here... some think Casey was afraid of Cindy, others think Cindy was afraid of Casey. IMO, I don't think Lee was afraid of Casey (lol). I think he just didn't want to be bothered unless Cindy enlisted his help. I don't think George was afraid of Casey, but Cindy opposed anything he tried to do. Catch-22, IMO.

[cassidy]

oh watching HLN news now with Mike and the family of Somer Thompson was singing "you are my sunshine" and he said that was one of Somer's favorite songs- which of course made me think of Caylee and her last known video of her before she was murdered- singing 'you are my sunshine'.

So now there is a 7 year old with a 2 3/4 year old from Florida that both know that song who have been murdered. :crying:

The Anthonys don't believe in the death penalty however, but Somer's mom wants that for the killer of her daughter.

I'll bet the Anthony's would believe in the death penalty if they didn't believe that their daughter killed their granddaughter.

JMO

[cassidy]

I agree, Bala. Cindy was a mere annoyance to Casey. Sure didn't stop her from lying, cheating, stealing and using her mother for her own ends. Oh I'm SURE they fought all the time but we know Cindy never followed through on any threats.
I don't think Casey gave one patootee what Cindy thought.

If Casey had been afraid of Cindy, she would never have been so bold as to have stolen money from her. She did it repeatedly with no apparent consequences.

JMO

[cassidy]

They both have the need to be "right". Wonder which one always got the last word?

I thought Casey did. but after this cruise thingy I think I was wrong. Cindy did. Loud and clear: "You did it and I am capitalizing and there is nothing you can do about it."

That's the message I think she just sent to Casey.

JMO

[SayItAgain]

Yep.
And, all the drama makes her feel important.

:rolleyes:

It does indeed.

I suspect there's a serious dose of jealousy from Cindy toward Casey, just as Casey was jealous of Caylee. I think the only way Cindy could feel one-up on Casey was through her very sick game of trying to control every minute of Casey's existence, thereby rendering her an eternal adolescent, while never confronting anything directly. On the one hand, Cindy was happy Casey was growing up a loser, because that meant Cindy was "winning." But Casey being a screw up had a downside -- she was an embarrassment and reflected badly on Cindy's image of Cindy. I imagine Casey got a big ugly mess of mixed messages from her mother day and night.

I really believe Cindy could not be a worse choice for mother of a child with sociopathic tendencies. Just as Caylee didn't have a prayer, neither did Casey, imo.

[Addy]

If Casey had been afraid of Cindy, she would never have been so bold as to have stolen money from her. She did it repeatedly with no apparent consequences.

JMOI think Casey used Caylee against Cindy. A lot. Before Caylee was born, I think Cindy ruled the roost. No one was allowed to address the princess for bad behavior except HRH (Cindy). After Caylee was born, even HRH backed off. jmo

[Addy]

It does indeed.

I suspect there's a serious dose of jealousy from Cindy toward Casey, just as Casey was jealous of Caylee. I think the only way Cindy could feel one-up on Casey was through her very sick game of trying to control every minute of Casey's existence, thereby rendering her an eternal adolescent, while never confronting anything directly. On the one hand, Cindy was happy Casey was growing up a loser, because that meant Cindy was "winning." But Casey being a screw up had a downside -- she was an embarrassment and reflected badly on Cindy's image of Cindy. I imagine Casey got a big ugly mess of mixed messages from her mother day and night.

I really believe Cindy could not be a worse choice for mother of a child with sociopathic tendencies. Just as Caylee didn't have a prayer, neither did Casey, imo. Well said. Very sad all the way around.

[Noah]

I thought Casey did. but after this cruise thingy I think I was wrong. Cindy did. Loud and clear: "You did it and I am capitalizing and there is nothing you can do about it."

That's the message I think she just sent to Casey.

JMO

I was wondering how Cindy was going to trump Casey, but I agree - the cruise was it!

I can just imagine Casey seeing that on tv! :scared:

[achristie]

I have to weigh in on the question of KC being afraid of cynthia. Does everyone recall KC's first words to cynthia after her arrest? It was a comment dripping with sarcasm about cynthia's "cameo" appearances.

KC anthony has absolutely no fear of cynthia or george, imo. IMO, it was the parents who were constantly dancing around and trying to keep the princess appeased. The person who paid the price for this appeasement was Caylee.

IMO

Yep. This is my post from above.

.................................................. ................................
I agree. I think the parents danced around Casey for a long time. They were fearful of what she was capable of doing. They spent years covering it up and making excuses. They even blamed the school for not telling them soon enough she couldn't graduate. I wonder if they thought having a child would center her? They certainly gave her unconditional support in that endeavor. But she couldn't sustain it. And Caylee paid the price.

MOO Aggie

.................................................. ...............................
I think they turned themselves inside out for her. They thought she would outgrow it ;then she gets pregnant. They have their own struggles going on - marital, financial, whatever- and they are tapped out. Let's face it.....by now they shouldn't have to be dealing with grown children.

[openminded]

I have to weigh in on the question of KC being afraid of cynthia. Does everyone recall KC's first words to cynthia after her arrest? It was a comment dripping with sarcasm about cynthia's "cameo" appearances.

KC anthony has absolutely no fear of cynthia or george, imo. IMO, it was the parents who were constantly dancing around and trying to keep the princess appeased. The person who paid the price for this appeasement was Caylee.

IMO

My original thinking was that Casey was terrified of Cindy's reaction but I have thought for a long time now that it was actually the other way around.

Casey felt she was completely in control because there were never serious consequences for her actions and she knew that.

[Chardonnay]

Just dropping in to say I bit the bullet and decided to read Cindy's depo, and I LOL'd on pg 55, when she said KC got the Employee of the Year award for only being there for 6 months.. Doesn't she realize that that doesn't make any sense?? What did I get myself into....

[Aunt]

I think Cindy was afraid of Casey, and what she was capable of doing. Why wouldn't she let George confront Casey when they knew she wasn't really working? I would be so afraid FOR my child that was lieing and partying, they had to have known that sooner or later that her stealing would go too far. Maybe she even threaten to do harm to Caylee.

I agree with you that Cindy was afraid of Casey..

Your last sentence gave me chills and makes a lot of sense.

[farrahrani]

I don't think threatening to harm Caylee would fly more than once. Casey's parents may be considered disloyal to Caylee's memory by making money from her, BUT I believe if Casey tried something stupid like an open threat, Cindy would not have hesitated to put the smackdown on her, or kick her out of the house WITHOUT the baby. Or something.
The only reason I believe Casey and the baby got out the night of the fight was that Cindy did not have the foresight to know that Caylee would be killed, possibly in retaliation for Cindy choking Casey, IMO.

[Pruddennce]

Just dropping in to say I bit the bullet and decided to read Cindy's depo, and I LOL'd on pg 55, when she said KC got the Employee of the Year award for only being there for 6 months.. Doesn't she realize that that doesn't make any sense?? What did I get myself into....

that is pretty funny isnt it Chardonnay? :D


IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[AlohaRainbow]

I have never believed Casey was afraid of Cindy. If she was would she be robbing her blind ever chance she got. Casey learned along time ago that Cindy's bark was worse than her bite.
ita!
imo, casey is not "afraid" of cindy - she just didn't want the "aggravation" (or "irritation") of having to endure lectures by cindy... i can well imagine casey doing this --> :rolleyes: alot with her "best friend" cindy

ETA - imo, it was cindy who was "afraid" of casey as per george's depo testimony when cindy made him back off from confronting casey about (not) working at sports authority because letting her know that they knew might "irritate" casey

[farrahrani]

I don't get the bit about ''working on'' getting a GED.
I had to get one about ten years ago, because my relatives were all junkies and took me out of school to work full time and support their habit (long creepy depressing story there)

Anyway, I got good grades before that, except math. I took a GED class for two weeks, and the teacher called me after class, and I thought my math was worse than even I expected. >.<
Turned out he said I was more than ready to take the test in his opinion, and was wasting my time in his class. So I went one Saturday to take it, and it wasn't hard at all. The math was hard, but that's only a portion of it, and it was multiple choice. So was the science, which I had to guess at a few questions. The test overall was probably a lot simpler than midterms and final exams in a regular high school class.

My point being, if Casey was doing well in her classes, and it was only that half credit holding her back, and she was supposedly gifted, how come she never took her GED? It's a simple matter of spending a few hours taking the damn thing. She never ''got to it''? After years of being out of school? Yet another mystery that will never make sense in all of this.

[seeing_eye]

I don't get the bit about ''working on'' getting a GED.
I had to get one about ten years ago, because my relatives were all junkies and took me out of school to work full time and support their habit (long creepy depressing story there)

Anyway, I got good grades before that, except math. I took a GED class for two weeks, and the teacher called me after class, and I thought my math was worse than even I expected. >.<
Turned out he said I was more than ready to take the test in his opinion, and was wasting my time in his class. So I went one Saturday to take it, and it wasn't hard at all. The math was hard, but that's only a portion of it, and it was multiple choice. So was the science, which I had to guess at a few questions. The test overall was probably a lot simpler than midterms and final exams in a regular high school class.

My point being, if Casey was doing well in her classes, and it was only that half credit holding her back, and she was supposedly gifted, how come she never took her GED? It's a simple matter of spending a few hours taking the damn thing. She never ''got to it''? After years of being out of school? Yet another mystery that will never make sense in all of this.

I wondered the same thing about Casey "working" on getting a GED. I dropped out of school in the 9th grade to get married. Very stupid, I know, but I was only 15 and didn't know better. When I was 30 I was divorced and had to get a job. Employment agency told me I needed to get a GED or I wouldn't be able to get a job. So I checked into it and discovered I could get a book to study for a GED for $5.00. I didn't have $5.00 to spare so I decided I'd just go ahead and take the test and if I passed, I would save $5.00. And if I failed, I would then go buy the book. I passed with flying colors. So if I could pass with only a ninth grade education, why couldn't Casey have passed with almost a 12th grade education?

[Mamie]

I'll bet the Anthony's would believe in the death penalty if they didn't believe that their daughter killed their granddaughter.

JMO

Exactly right! And the Anthony's can chant that all they want but it's not going to mean anything in the long run. JMO

[Chardonnay]

Another thing that the whole Anthony family has a bad habit of doing,and even KC when she was talking to LE, is that they all can't just say, 15 months, or 3 years, or 2 days, or 4 weeks.. They all say 15 or 16 months, 3 or 4 years, or 2-3 days, or 4-5 weeks. (these are just examples) All their guesses have to add a little extra time..
Am I making sense? Have any of you noticed that too? It's so annoying...

[Januarybaby]

I wondered the same thing about Casey "working" on getting a GED. I dropped out of school in the 9th grade to get married. Very stupid, I know, but I was only 15 and didn't know better. When I was 30 I was divorced and had to get a job. Employment agency told me I needed to get a GED or I wouldn't be able to get a job. So I checked into it and discovered I could get a book to study for a GED for $5.00. I didn't have $5.00 to spare so I decided I'd just go ahead and take the test and if I passed, I would save $5.00. And if I failed, I would then go buy the book. I passed with flying colors. So if I could pass with only a ninth grade education, why couldn't Casey have passed with almost a 12th grade education?

I too quit school in 9th grade to get married at 16 and have a baby. I went for the GED but I had a job at that time. I passed mine with flying colors and when I was in my early 30s went to college and have an associates degree in criminal justice. I have no clue why Casey couldnt pass unless she was so worried about partying and getting out to have fun it just didnt interest her enough to pass. Maybe she figured she didnt need a job, she would latch on to some guy to take care of her. Who knows........

[AnnieKins]

Casey Anthony: In media circus, her family is like the Three Stooges
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/10/casey-anthony-in-media-circus-her-family-is-like-the-three-stooges.html

From their depositions to their press interviews to their behavior in the streets, the Anthonys just keep supplying headlines.

Just when you think they can't top themselves for unpredictable antics, they do.

Without them, we probably would never have had the media circus.

OMH Thanks for posting that, des! :laugh:

[AnnieKins]

Interesting discussion on the carseat on WS. See post #88 for 2 pics of Caylee in the carseat, then the final pic is the pic of the carseat when it was taken into evidence. They are different carseats! Look at how high the back of the carseat is in #1, and then look at #3. JMO

ETA: Also, the colors are different - but that could be due to the lighting.

I hope this same thread continues over to tomorrow. I don't understand that the signifigance of a different car seat is to this discussion. Can someone explain this to me? TIA

Annie

[AnnieKins]

Just dropping in to say I bit the bullet and decided to read Cindy's depo, and I LOL'd on pg 55, when she said KC got the Employee of the Year award for only being there for 6 months.. Doesn't she realize that that doesn't make any sense?? What did I get myself into....

Very little of it makes sense, Char. That's why I'm less than half way through and I don't know if I can stomach the rest.

What I DO want to read is where JB tells Cindy to "zip it". Could anyone spare me a pile of misery and tell me where to look for that?

Annie

[crimeq]

Another thing that the whole Anthony family has a bad habit of doing,and even KC when she was talking to LE, is that they all can't just say, 15 months, or 3 years, or 2 days, or 4 weeks.. They all say 15 or 16 months, 3 or 4 years, or 2-3 days, or 4-5 weeks. (these are just examples) All their guesses have to add a little extra time..
Am I making sense? Have any of you noticed that too? It's so annoying...

or that Caylee's height was between 3.5 and 4.5 feet? (am I recalling that correctly?)

[crimeq]

Another thing that the whole Anthony family has a bad habit of doing,and even KC when she was talking to LE, is that they all can't just say, 15 months, or 3 years, or 2 days, or 4 weeks.. They all say 15 or 16 months, 3 or 4 years, or 2-3 days, or 4-5 weeks. (these are just examples) All their guesses have to add a little extra time..
Am I making sense? Have any of you noticed that too? It's so annoying...

Interesting observation. It gives them lots of wiggle room because of non-specificity. Is this something that liars normally do? Be vague enough that they can go back on it any way they need to?

[Pruddennce]

They are something else.

I remember hearing about Caylee on Nancy Grace or one of the major news channels. I checked the boards and followed some of the earlier news links.

Then Cindy started with the media interviews. I found her more interesting to watch than most prime time tv shows because I never knew what was going to come out of Cindy's mouth next.

Of the top of my head, my first memory of Cindy in front of the cameras was http://www.wesh.com/video/16957990/index.html

jmo

thanks des, its interesting watching these clips with the information that has been released.

the depo: the state concentrated on their paver work, etc......then we see in this clip Cindy saying THE DOG CLEARED THEIR HOUSE.....the media says, 'they are not saying the house is cleared..." she wont respond to that, and begins to answer the bruises on Caylee question.....and this makes me ill:

THAT CHILD. very early on disassociating themselves from her. THERE WERE NO BRUISES ON THAT CHILD.

and there goes Cindy, quick on her feet: "Is it possible you didnt know" (Caylee was abused by Casey).... her response: SHE/THEY LIVED WITH ME, I NEVER SAW ANYTHING IN 3 YEARS, but then ADDS as an afterthought: "possibly what the babysitter did"....

??????????????????????????????????

if she didnt see anything, why bring up the babysitter as being an abuser? Caylee came home most every day in her short life and she claims there were no bruises....

OR: her use of the term POSSIBLY, IOW, in case they find Caylee, if there was trauma to the body, that would be her rationale in defense of Casey. the babysitter! however, her first response is NOTHING, ZERO, ZILCH.

I subscribe to the notion that Cindy witnessed plenty.

very revealing.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

[SC7501]

Does anyone know where I can get Part 2 of the audio of Robert Dick's interview? I thought I had it, but when I played it, it turned out to be another copy of part 1. -- Wftv has a link, but it doesn't work for me because it's a video file. Thanks.

[BettyC]

Does anyone know where I can get Part 2 of the audio of Robert Dick's interview? I thought I had it, but when I played it, it turned out to be another copy of part 1. -- Wftv has a link, but it doesn't work for me because it's a video file. Thanks.

Same thing on CF13news

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/9/27/audio_video_recordings_released_by_law_enforcement .html

duplicates.

[desmom]

I don't get the bit about ''working on'' getting a GED.
I had to get one about ten years ago, because my relatives were all junkies and took me out of school to work full time and support their habit (long creepy depressing story there)

Anyway, I got good grades before that, except math. I took a GED class for two weeks, and the teacher called me after class, and I thought my math was worse than even I expected. >.<
Turned out he said I was more than ready to take the test in his opinion, and was wasting my time in his class. So I went one Saturday to take it, and it wasn't hard at all. The math was hard, but that's only a portion of it, and it was multiple choice. So was the science, which I had to guess at a few questions. The test overall was probably a lot simpler than midterms and final exams in a regular high school class.

My point being, if Casey was doing well in her classes, and it was only that half credit holding her back, and she was supposedly gifted, how come she never took her GED? It's a simple matter of spending a few hours taking the damn thing. She never ''got to it''? After years of being out of school? Yet another mystery that will never make sense in all of this.

I am not sure what the deal is with Casey, her family and the diploma because the records LE received from the school show that Casey did graduate. page 47 http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155477.pdf Maybe she did take a summer class and the family was not aware of it.

I guess the question is why didn't she tell her family. From my readings of witness statements, Cindy did like to put Casey down. Is it possible Casey kept her diploma a secret from Cindy so every time Cindy threw out there "you are a high school dropout" Casey knew Cindy was making a fool of herself?

jmo

[Sun]

I am not sure what the deal is with Casey, her family and the diploma because the records LE received from the school show that Casey did graduate. page 47 http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155477.pdf Maybe she did take a summer class and the family was not aware of it.

I guess the question is why didn't she tell her family. From my readings of witness statements, Cindy did like to put Casey down. Is it possible Casey kept her diploma a secret from Cindy so every time Cindy threw out there "you are a high school dropout" Casey knew Cindy was making a fool of herself?

jmo

I've wondered about that document. It could be entirely possible that Cindy's ranting and raving to the school, made someone there falsify the record. (or make an "exception" I guess might be putting it more in friendly terms) It is puzzling though, that Cindy and George wouldn't know this.

[8BellesFan]

maybe the school didn't want Casey or Cindy for another term:thumbsup:

[farrahrani]

I've wondered about that document. It could be entirely possible that Cindy's ranting and raving to the school, made someone there falsify the record. (or make an "exception" I guess might be putting it more in friendly terms) It is puzzling though, that Cindy and George wouldn't know this.


Entirely possible. Something weird like that happened to me as a teenager, my mother was extremely ill when I was in jr. high, and I missed graduation. They gave me a diploma and all and were very sympathetic. When I moved and started high school, I was told I did NOT in fact graduate jr. high and was missing credits that would cause a problem if I tried to graduate at the date my peers would. So I was held over a grade even though I was bored to tears and knew all the work and could do it in my sleep.....yet I had that diploma >.<

They insist Casey never finished that class in order to get her diploma or GED. Or maybe it's Cindy rewriting history in order to just have one more reason to harangue Casey and they forgot the reality for a few minutes. God only knows with these people. I have to keep reminding myself not to use the laws of human common sense to measure them by :scared:

[Duke]

I have finished Cindy and George's depo and have not been on line to read since Friday. So FFGM it has been 24 hours since my last read....

I can only pipe in probably 1 time today since it is my babes B'day (9 years old:thumbsup:) but my thought is that I cannot believe G and C how they have never got angry at KC? From reading their statements they ALWAYS sit KC down and politely tell her in adult terms where she has done wrong since she was a baby. I think we ALL loose are temper and I can't count on my hands that I have screamed at my son for hiding notes from the teacher or throwing things behind the couch or hiding snacks that he thought that he got by with, only to find them when I vacuumed the area. Am I proud to admit this, um yes, so he would see how this was wrong. My babe is turning out OK IMO and I am OK with the way I have so far been raising him. G and C all act and sound alike (IMO) that they had some sort of discussion to express during their depos to pretend like they raised KC and tube sock boy entirely different from the normal parents would:cursing:. I find that so strange.

Maybe I am not coming across as clear as I should, but these people put their kids on pedestals and make it sound like we are the crazy ones.

Need to sign off and get some balloons. I enjoy hearing everyones thoughts.

[Armadillo]

I am not sure what the deal is with Casey, her family and the diploma because the records LE received from the school show that Casey did graduate. page 47 http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155477.pdf Maybe she did take a summer class and the family was not aware of it.

I guess the question is why didn't she tell her family. From my readings of witness statements, Cindy did like to put Casey down. Is it possible Casey kept her diploma a secret from Cindy so every time Cindy threw out there "you are a high school dropout" Casey knew Cindy was making a fool of herself?

jmo

Question about this document...just noticed on one of the check cashing data.. pg 44.... Shows Cindy Anthony different resident with apt #105...and birthdate of... 1980.

IIRC Cindy has never lived any where else except Hopespring Dr. since moving to Florida and that birthday is not Cindy's or KC's...

Can anyone explain this???

[desmom]

Entirely possible. Something weird like that happened to me as a teenager, my mother was extremely ill when I was in jr. high, and I missed graduation. They gave me a diploma and all and were very sympathetic. When I moved and started high school, I was told I did NOT in fact graduate jr. high and was missing credits that would cause a problem if I tried to graduate at the date my peers would. So I was held over a grade even though I was bored to tears and knew all the work and could do it in my sleep.....yet I had that diploma >.<

They insist Casey never finished that class in order to get her diploma or GED. Or maybe it's Cindy rewriting history in order to just have one more reason to harangue Casey and they forgot the reality for a few minutes. God only knows with these people. I have to keep reminding myself not to use the laws of human common sense to measure them by :scared:

Just a thought...From Lee's depo (beginning on page 18, line 14) http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310241/detail.html

Q: Did you or were you aware that Casey was not able to graduate?

A: Yeah. We were informed -- she informed my mom, who obviously ten told me, the day of her graduation party. So -- so yeah. I'm aware of that.

Q: Tell me about that. Was it something that had come in the mail or --

A: Honestly, I never even know the details. I don't know if she was a class short, five minutes short. I have no idea. I just know that we never -- I never personally brought it up to her after the day when she brought it up and pretty much confessed, said: Mom, you know, by the way, thanks for the graduation party but I'm not graduating.....

Did Cindy make up the story about meeting with the school re Casey's graduation? I do not believe Cindy twisting facts to put Casey in a positive light is something that began when Casey was arrested. IMO, Cindy has been doing it for years. When Cindy told LE about Casey not graduating from h.s., it was the school's fault.

I think Lee's version of the events regarding Casey's h.s. graduation is more accurate than Cindy's.

jmo

[desmom]

Question about this document...just noticed on one of the check cashing data.. pg 44.... Shows Cindy Anthony different resident with apt #105...and birthdate of... 1980.

IIRC Cindy has never lived any where else except Hopespring Dr. since moving to Florida and that birthday is not Cindy's or KC's...

Can anyone explain this???

IIRC, the documents sent to Amscot from LE requested all information Amscot had for George, Cindy, Casey and Lee Anthony.

The Cindy Anthony you mention in your post, is not the Cindy Anthony we know in this case.

jmo

[Sun]

Question about this document...just noticed on one of the check cashing data.. pg 44.... Shows Cindy Anthony different resident with apt #105...and birthdate of... 1980.

IIRC Cindy has never lived any where else except Hopespring Dr. since moving to Florida and that birthday is not Cindy's or KC's...

Can anyone explain this???

I sure can explain it. It's a different Cindy Anthony. At least the Clerk of Courts records also list this "different" Cindy Anthony with that same birthdate. Different race, different person.

[Armadillo]

OH....thanks Des and Sun!!!:biggrin: