10/23 Friday

[MAUIFC]

Good Morning All.

[beachpatty]

Good morning people,
Thank you all again for all you do in keeping the latest posted, these forums are way better than trying to check all the news media reports!

This poor baby, I pray for her family, loved ones and friends, I can't imagine how her twin brother must feel without her :(

I so hope there is swift justice, if someone can heartlessly do this to a small innocent baby, he/she needs to be locked away (or worse) before they hurt another baby!

Beachpatty

[n/t]

Good morning,

I was hoping to wake up to the news of an arrest. Not only for justice for sweet Somer but for all the other children and parents in that neighbourhood who must be so afraid. :sad:

Praying today is the day they find this creep and he's put behind bars forever.

[n/t]

Good Morning!

I tossed & turned all night thinking oif poor Somers's mother-

I know what you mean. I watched her when she gave the PC yesterday to thank everyone and when she said this it just broke my heart. Throwing a child out like she's trash. :crying:

DIENA THOMPSON, MOTHER: I want you to know that I will not sleep until this person is found. I hope they get you! And I hope they make you pay for a long, long time. You don`t take from somebody -- you don`t -- you didn`t take her from just me, you took her from my family. You took her from all of these people. And you don`t do this to a little baby and put my baby in the trash like she`s nothing! It`s not OK! This is not OK!

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0910/22/ng.01.html

[n/t]

MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION: I wouldn`t doubt that for a moment. The first thing I`d like to do, though, Nancy, is offer my condolence to Somer`s family. I know what they`re going through. I`ve been there myself. They are in a bottomless pit of grief right now. And hopefully, they will be able to extricate themselves.

But the reality is, is that of people that murder little children as a result of an abduction, 57 percent of them have a history of previous convictions of violence against children. The most common scenario, or I should say the most common victim -- let me put it this way, 76.2 percent of these children that are kidnapped will be dead within three hours, 74 percent of those victims will be little girls. More than half of all children that are murdered as a result of an abduction are first picked up within a quarter mile of their home, and a full third of those kids are the first contact is made within a half block of the home.

The obvious lesson in this is that we cannot allow our children to go outside unaccompanied, bottom line.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0910/22/ng.01.html

Sad reality.

[taylor63]

I was driving in my car the other day and heard about the authorities finding a body in Florida. I was praying it wasn't this little child,but I had a sad,sinking feeling in my heart that it was Somer. I pray the evil person who did this is caught before he or she can hurt any other child.

[cassidy]

MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION: I wouldn`t doubt that for a moment. The first thing I`d like to do, though, Nancy, is offer my condolence to Somer`s family. I know what they`re going through. I`ve been there myself. They are in a bottomless pit of grief right now. And hopefully, they will be able to extricate themselves.

But the reality is, is that of people that murder little children as a result of an abduction, 57 percent of them have a history of previous convictions of violence against children. The most common scenario, or I should say the most common victim -- let me put it this way, 76.2 percent of these children that are kidnapped will be dead within three hours, 74 percent of those victims will be little girls. More than half of all children that are murdered as a result of an abduction are first picked up within a quarter mile of their home, and a full third of those kids are the first contact is made within a half block of the home.

The obvious lesson in this is that we cannot allow our children to go outside unaccompanied, bottom line.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0910/22/ng.01.html

Sad reality.

And the other obvious lesson in this is that we cannot allow these creatures to go unpunished. In most cases, the violent offenders have been slapped on the wrist before. They learned to leave no wintesses, no voices to tell what they have done. Beef up the laws, don't give them a second of third chance.

[desmom]

Diena Thompson is on GMA this morning. My heart aches for this mother and family.

She said she will be getting the children into counseling after the funeral.

The community has brought food, books to help her deal with her grieve and have been very supportive.

jmo

[cassidy]

Diena Thompson is on GMA this morning. My heart aches for this mother and family.

She said she will be getting the children into counseling after the funeral.

The community has brought food, books to help her deal with her grieve and have been very supportive.

jmo

It breaks my heart to watch her.

[psychable]

Fox News reporting LE is looking for 5 sex offenders.

[n/t]

Diena Thompson is on GMA this morning. My heart aches for this mother and family.

She said she will be getting the children into counseling after the funeral.

The community has brought food, books to help her deal with her grieve and have been very supportive.

jmo

Me too Des. She's a strong woman and I have no doubt she can and will make a difference. She's a very classy lady to come out and thank everyone. Not only did she do it at the vigil but she took the time yesterday, despite her grief to thank everyone during the PC yesterday.

God help her get through this and give her strength to continue to fight for justice. Even if it means saving one child.

:rose:

[n/t]

And the other obvious lesson in this is that we cannot allow these creatures to go unpunished. In most cases, the violent offenders have been slapped on the wrist before. They learned to leave no wintesses, no voices to tell what they have done. Beef up the laws, don't give them a second of third chance.

Exactly. Laws need to be changed. I posted last night what Pat Brown said. You rape/murder a child. That's it. It's over. LWOP or death. No more slap on the wrists, out in 5-10 years to reoffend. These monsters can't be rehabilitated. Period.

[cassidy]

Fox News reporting LE is looking for 5 sex offenders.

And that makes me really mad. Our laws against sex offenders of children are way to lenient.

[CC I See]

MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION: I wouldn`t doubt that for a moment. The first thing I`d like to do, though, Nancy, is offer my condolence to Somer`s family. I know what they`re going through. I`ve been there myself. They are in a bottomless pit of grief right now. And hopefully, they will be able to extricate themselves.

But the reality is, is that of people that murder little children as a result of an abduction, 57 percent of them have a history of previous convictions of violence against children. The most common scenario, or I should say the most common victim -- let me put it this way, 76.2 percent of these children that are kidnapped will be dead within three hours, 74 percent of those victims will be little girls. More than half of all children that are murdered as a result of an abduction are first picked up within a quarter mile of their home, and a full third of those kids are the first contact is made within a half block of the home.

The obvious lesson in this is that we cannot allow our children to go outside unaccompanied, bottom line.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0910/22/ng.01.html

Sad reality.

I usually agree with Marc.... but not with this statement.

Children should be free to walk, play and be outside. Why should they be locked up inside their homes and schools like prisoners? It is the offenders that should be imprisoned in THEIR homes and not be allowed to roam the streets hunting for the next victim.

It's all about priorities. Whose freedom is more important?

[FrankieBones1]

Exactly. Laws need to be changed. I posted last night what Pat Brown said. You rape/murder a child. That's it. It's over. LWOP or death. No more slap on the wrists, out in 5-10 years to reoffend. These monsters can't be rehabilitated. Period.

Why aren't judges and law makers clueing in on this?

[FrankieBones1]

Fox News reporting LE is looking for 5 sex offenders.

Because they've offended in the past does this mean that LE has their DNA in the database?

[Marcia3]

Me too Des. She's a strong woman and I have no doubt she can and will make a difference. She's a very classy lady to come out and thank everyone. Not only did she do it at the vigil but she took the time yesterday, despite her grief to thank everyone during the PC yesterday.

God help her get through this and give her strength to continue to fight for justice. Even if it means saving one child.

:rose:

Saving one child would be worth living for, worth sacrificing time, money, energy. Saving one child could mean that the hundreds of people (or more) who are directly affected by Somer's death could be living their normal lives today not bogged down by grief.

ITA with every word of your post. Beautifully said.

[just42day97]

I usually agree with Marc.... but not with this statement.

Children should be free to walk, play and be outside. Why should they be locked up inside their homes and schools like prisoners? It is the offenders that should be imprisoned in THEIR homes and not be allowed to roam the streets hunting for the next victim.

It's all about priorities. Whose freedom is more important?

I agree CC...it's a shame that our children are living in these kinds of times...when I was a kid, I would ride my bike all day, as long as I was home by dark....and I was 7 or 8 when I could do that...nowdays you can't hardly let a 8 year old out of your sight...and that is just horrible...we should not have to live like this...

[n/t]

I usually agree with Marc.... but not with this statement.

Children should be free to walk, play and be outside. Why should they be locked up inside their homes and schools like prisoners? It is the offenders that should be imprisoned in THEIR homes and not be allowed to roam the streets hunting for the next victim.

It's all about priorities. Whose freedom is more important?

Until laws are changed and these monsters are off our streets, it's every parent's responsibility to keep our children safe.

I don't disagree with you. It's not right that these children can't be free and be children the way it should be but in the meantime we are losing the war and they are winning. The system is not working. The question is why?

An earlier post mentioned they are looking for 5 sex offenders. Helllo?? Where are they and why don't they know where they are?

[Ladygator]

Because they've offended in the past does this mean that LE has their DNA in the database?

Yes, it does, Frankie. All SO's get swabbed.

Anyone know more about the arrests that were made at the Thompson home? I didn't see anything in the links.

[FrankieBones1]

Yes, it does, Frankie. All SO's get swabbed.

Anyone know more about the arrests that were made at the Thompson home? I didn't see anything in the links.

Thanks, Lady. Now as far as the four robbers, some say the address numbers were entered incorrectly. Not sure why the media hasn't picked it up yet.

Edited to add if the robbers were actually at the Thompson home, the media would have been all over it, in my opinion.

[Ladygator]

There is a back log in getting DNA swabs processed and added to the database though. Just read something about that recently. The story was about a criminal who would have been caught sooner, if his DNA was added promptly.

[Motomom]

Until laws are changed and these monsters are off our streets, it's every parent's responsibility to keep our children safe.

I don't disagree with you. It's not right that these children can't be free and be children the way it should be but in the meantime we are losing the war and they are winning. The system is not working. The question is why?

An earlier post mentioned they are looking for 5 sex offenders. Helllo?? Where are they and why don't they know where they are?

Tim Miller said that there were 100,000 RSO that are unaccounted for.. can't find them. It was the other night, anyone else hear that? 100,000!! If they are going to let these creeps out of jail, and I'm running out of names that are appropriate to call them, then they should all have gps ankle bracelets on or something.. something, anything because what they are doing now is NOT working. Maybe if they make the penalty DEATH after the FIRST offense something would change..

[FrankieBones1]

I agree CC...it's a shame that our children are living in these kinds of times...when I was a kid, I would ride my bike all day, as long as I was home by dark....and I was 7 or 8 when I could do that...nowdays you can't hardly let a 8 year old out of your sight...and that is just horrible...we should not have to live like this...

And what's the cutoff age now? What age can you let your son or daughter outdoors on their own?

Police have interviewed one hundred and fifty five sex offenders in this case according to HLN just now.

[Ladygator]

Thanks, Lady. Now as far as the four robbers, some say the address numbers were entered incorrectly. Not sure why the media hasn't picked it up yet.

Thanks. Now, did posters find these arrest records? And nothing in the media, period, about them?

Over the past couple of years, all "Felony' convictions in Florida get a DNA swab. IIRC, the law was changed after Carlie Brucia was murdered.

[n/t]

And what's the cutoff age now? What age can you let your son or daughter outdoors on their own?

Police have interviewed one hundred and fifty five sex offenders in this case according to HLN just now.

And those are just the ones who reside in the immediate area, right? It's frightening.

[FrankieBones1]

Thanks. Now, did posters find these arrest records? And nothing in the media, period, about them?

Over the past couple of years, all "Felony' convictions in Florida get a DNA swab. IIRC, the law was changed after Carlie Brucia was murdered.

Yes, message board sleuthers had actual screen captures with mugshots and all.

[Ice Cycle]

I usually agree with Marc.... but not with this statement.

Children should be free to walk, play and be outside. Why should they be locked up inside their homes and schools like prisoners? It is the offenders that should be imprisoned in THEIR homes and not be allowed to roam the streets hunting for the next victim.

It's all about priorities. Whose freedom is more important?

Good Morning All,
Should be able to be unfortunately that is not the case. My kids were young in the 80"s and I was paranoid then so I can imagine how I would be now. I am no expert but I think the the biggest thing is pressing precautions in to the kids mind and their boundaries. It is not going to stop it because lord knows it happens to careful adults and I agree that changing the laws is the only way that is going to make a significant difference.

[n/t]

Tim Miller said that there were 100,000 RSO that are unaccounted for.. can't find them. It was the other night, anyone else hear that? 100,000!! If they are going to let these creeps out of jail, and I'm running out of names that are appropriate to call them, then they should all have gps ankle bracelets on or something.. something, anything because what they are doing now is NOT working. Maybe if they make the penalty DEATH after the FIRST offense something would change..

Exactly. It's not working.

[FrankieBones1]

And those are just the ones who reside in the immediate area, right? It's frightening.

I would be a very anxious parent living in that area. These offenders are like terrorists, in my opinion.

[Ladygator]

Yes, message board sleuthers had actual screen captures with mugshots and all.

Okay. Guess it doesn't mean anything since the media hasn't mentioned it.

[Nascargal]

Good Morning!

I tossed & turned all night thinking oif poor Somers's mother-

Good Morning everyone

Abbie I know I actually woke because of a nightmare of something like this happening to my niece very :scared:

[cassidy]

Until laws are changed and these monsters are off our streets, it's every parent's responsibility to keep our children safe.

I don't disagree with you. It's not right that these children can't be free and be children the way it should be but in the meantime we are losing the war and they are winning. The system is not working. The question is why?

An earlier post mentioned they are looking for 5 sex offenders. Helllo?? Where are they and why don't they know where they are?

Good question. And what of the many many SO's who are flying under the radar. Those who haven't been caught or go unreported or those whose families are "protecting" them. Don't think it happens? Think again!

[Marcia3]

Tim Miller said that there were 100,000 RSO that are unaccounted for.. can't find them. It was the other night, anyone else hear that? 100,000!! If they are going to let these creeps out of jail, and I'm running out of names that are appropriate to call them, then they should all have gps ankle bracelets on or something.. something, anything because what they are doing now is NOT working. Maybe if they make the penalty DEATH after the FIRST offense something would change..

Either DP or LWOP. Otherwise, if the perp is released from prison, he will reoffend, period, IMO. Only this time, he's smart enough to kill his prey after he's done mopping up his needs, so there's no ID and he's free to repeat his crime until he is eventually caught (or until he dies).

There are no easy answers. But one of the problems is that when SOs become homeless, not only do they not have an address with which to register, LE has their work cut out for them when they need to track them down.

I think that may be part of the problem in tracking down some of the RSOs in Somer's investigation.

[tarabull1]

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpopular/story/Offender-Alert-October-21-2009/W0nLgboHake_aekvaIaZkA.cspx

The first guy on the list also happens to ALSO be listed on Somer's Missing Person Report !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dunlurken]

I usually agree with Marc.... but not with this statement.

Children should be free to walk, play and be outside. Why should they be locked up inside their homes and schools like prisoners? It is the offenders that should be imprisoned in THEIR homes and not be allowed to roam the streets hunting for the next victim.

It's all about priorities. Whose freedom is more important?
It's a sad reality. Heck, you can't even let a child sleep in their own room alone anymore. JMO.

Morning all! Going to catch up reading.

[Dunlurken]

I would be a very anxious parent living in that area. These offenders are like terrorists, in my opinion.

It's domestic terrorism. Who said that JVM or NG? JMO.

Did you guys see the stats Mark Klass reported last night. And that 2,100 some odd kids go missing every day. Just made me sick. Lady Justice has her priorities all mixed up. I've always said "Justice is blind". Yep, she sure is. :sad:

[Marcia3]

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpopular/story/Offender-Alert-October-21-2009/W0nLgboHake_aekvaIaZkA.cspx

The first guy on the list also happens to ALSO be listed on Somer's Missing Person Report !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And he's one of the SOs they haven't been able to interview because they can't find him?

Boy...if I were him and I know I didn't do this, I think I'd come forward now before they track me down on their own.

[psychable]

Because they've offended in the past does this mean that LE has their DNA in the database?

Sorry I do not know. It was just a few words spoken on the news about Somer. But I sure would hope they have it their database.

[Rayosunshine]

Fox News reporting LE is looking for 5 sex offenders.


SO's, RSO's, Pedophiles and many others should have a computer chip put in their body with GPS capability. I'd vote for that!

We can do it to save out pets, why can't we do it to save our children?

[n/t]

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpopular/story/Offender-Alert-October-21-2009/W0nLgboHake_aekvaIaZkA.cspx

The first guy on the list also happens to ALSO be listed on Somer's Missing Person Report !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why would he be on her missing person report? Is there a link available? TIA

[threesnugbugs]

Why would he be on her missing person report? Is there a link available? TIA


It's on the links page.

INCREDIBLE catch TARABULL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rayosunshine]

Why aren't judges and law makers clueing in on this?


Frankie, they have their heads in the sand, or somewhere else. Having one of their children/grandchildren taken/abused/killed would get their attention, I bet.

[n/t]

Very frightening. I haven't read this entire thread--just joined. Are they pursuing the 'blue car--woman and 2 men'/tried to abduct a 5 yr old the week before --angle?

Those in the blue car could have done what Philip Garrido did--gone shopping for a child. They could have driven down from GA--up from Miami or Orlando or just about anywhere.

Last New Year's Eve a young woman was abducted/murdered/sexually assaulted and thrown in a dumpster here in Atlanta. The filth was stupid though and used her bank card and then threw her clothing and the rags he used to clean his van in a dumpster and he got caught.

These filthy cretins probably didn't clean up after they tortured/killed her but hopefully they made one little mistake which can lead to conviction.

I wish we had terms for such lowlife to properly convey the subhuman quality of their character--'people/person/man/woman/etc' don't really apply. I believe such people truly have no souls. FWIW.


No, police say they're not involved. Apparently they contacted LE when they heard they were being sought. At this point, LE doesn't think there's a connection and they're questioning whether or not the attempted abduction even took place.

[n/t]

It's on the links page.

INCREDIBLE catch TARABULL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you...I'll go now.

[Dunlurken]

It would appear as though "squatters" were occupying that abandoned home. Many people who are homeless break into abandoned homes. Here's hoping they find some evidence re. the abandoned home. JMO. Don't have a link.

[CC I See]

Very frightening. I haven't read this entire thread--just joined. Are they pursuing the 'blue car--woman and 2 men'/tried to abduct a 5 yr old the week before --angle?

Those in the blue car could have done what Philip Garrido did--gone shopping for a child. They could have driven down from GA--up from Miami or Orlando or just about anywhere.

Last New Year's Eve a young woman was abducted/murdered/sexually assaulted and thrown in a dumpster here in Atlanta. The filth was stupid though and used her bank card and then threw her clothing and the rags he used to clean his van in a dumpster and he got caught.

These filthy cretins probably didn't clean up after they tortured/killed her but hopefully they made one little mistake which can lead to conviction.

I wish we had terms for such lowlife to properly convey the subhuman quality of their character--'people/person/man/woman/etc' don't really apply. I believe such people truly have no souls. FWIW.


... I think the word monsters should cover it.

[Rayosunshine]

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpopular/story/Offender-Alert-October-21-2009/W0nLgboHake_aekvaIaZkA.cspx

The first guy on the list also happens to ALSO be listed on Somer's Missing Person Report !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Does anyone know why these people are all listed on the missing person report? Are these people in the family's immediate network of friends (not being sarcastic here)?

[VC2]

Tim Miller said that there were 100,000 RSO that are unaccounted for.. can't find them. It was the other night, anyone else hear that? 100,000!! If they are going to let these creeps out of jail, and I'm running out of names that are appropriate to call them, then they should all have gps ankle bracelets on or something.. something, anything because what they are doing now is NOT working. Maybe if they make the penalty DEATH after the FIRST offense something would change..

problem with dp at first offense, it gets that guy off the streets for good but it ensures the murders of other children who might have been assaulted and let go. These guys 1. don't think they will be caught so there is no deterrence factor and 2. if the penalty was so harsh they will kill earlier, faster and hide the body better.

They don't think like we do. Most countries that have the DP have a higher incidence of murder with crimes that might have been lower. For example, robbing a car in Nigeria is a DP crime. So they shoot the people driving it through the car door ensuring no witnesses. Which turns it into a murder case, but i lived there a while and most of us expats wished they would lower the penalty because it made us much unsafer.

imo

[Dunlurken]

Frankie, they have their heads in the sand, or somewhere else. Having one of their children/grandchildren taken/abused/killed would get their attention, I bet.

What about Garrido? He took an 11 year old child, Jaycee Dugard, fathered two children by her, and his probation officer WENT TO THE HOME several times and never knew Jaycee was in the backyard?

Come on, give me a break.

[Dunlurken]

Does anyone know why these people are all listed on the missing person report? Are these people in the family's immediate network of friends (not being sarcastic here)?

They are SOs that haven't reported in, if I'm reading the links correctly. JMO.

[threesnugbugs]

Does anyone know why these people are all listed on the missing person report? Are these people in the family's immediate network of friends (not being sarcastic here)?

That's what I thought of too. Sean is the first one listed-so I assumed it would be a list of people who knew Somer and she would respond to. IF SO, another example of a RSO infiltrating our kids' networks without notice.

[Rayosunshine]

What about Garrido? He took an 11 year old child, Jaycee Dugard, fathered two children by her, and his probation officer WENT TO THE HOME several times and never knew Jaycee was in the backyard?

Come on, give me a break.

If those of higher power aren't affected, they don't give a d...!

All officials involved with Garrido for the 18 years he held Jaycee should be held accountable for what happened to her. As far as I am concerned, those people aided and abetted Garrido. Don't know if he and his wife can get the DP, but I would be willing to be the travel nurse that puts the needle in. I might even consider volunteering my time.

[n/t]

Does anyone know why these people are all listed on the missing person report? Are these people in the family's immediate network of friends (not being sarcastic here)?

I wondered the same thing when I read the report. Are these friends/neighbours?? Uhoh. Not sure if any of you caught it yesterday when Somer's mom was asked the question who she felt did this. She replied that she didn't know and then said something like for all she knows it could be an <eh>....and then she stopped. I thought she was going to say ex neighbour or ex friend or ex something.

If any of you get a chance, listen to it again. Unfortunately I'm at work and can't. I wish I could. Maybe this guy is who they're looking for????

[Rayosunshine]

I wondered the same thing when I read the report. Are these friends/neighbours?? Uhoh. Not sure if any of you caught it yesterday when Somer's mom was asked the question who she felt did this. She replied that she didn't know and then said something like for all she knows it could be an <eh>....and then she stopped. I thought she was going to say ex neighbour or ex friend or ex something.

If any of you get a chance, listen to it again. Unfortunately I'm at work and can't. I wish I could. Maybe this guy is who they're looking for????

Are you talking about the video yesterday, when Somer's mom said she would not sleep until the person was caught?

[Dunlurken]

problem with dp at first offense, it gets that guy off the streets for good but it ensures the murders of other children who might have been assaulted and let go. These guys 1. don't think they will be caught so there is no deterrence factor and 2. if the penalty was so harsh they will kill earlier, faster and hide the body better.

They don't think like we do. Most countries that have the DP have a higher incidence of murder with crimes that might have been lower. For example, robbing a car in Nigeria is a DP crime. So they shoot the people driving it through the car door ensuring no witnesses. Which turns it into a murder case, but i lived there a while and most of us expats wished they would lower the penalty because it made us much unsafer.

imo
Going to have to disagree, respectfully, on that one. I spent a lot of time in Mozambique. A kid tried to steal something in the market, and the cops beat the heck out of him. Now, that's a deterrent.

Let's not get O/T though.

[Dunlurken]

That's what I thought of too. Sean is the first one listed-so I assumed it would be a list of people who knew Somer and she would respond to. IF SO, another example of a RSO infiltrating our kids' networks without notice.

These are "missing" SOs. I loved what Diena said yesterday....We will find you!

[Ladygator]

... I think the word monsters should cover it.

"The belief in a supernatural source of evil is not necessary; men alone are quite capable of every wickedness." -Joseph Conrad

[n/t]

Are you talking about the video yesterday, when Somer's mom said she would not sleep until the person was caught?

The PC with the reporters.

[Dunlurken]

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#640 10-23-2009, 01:24 AM
tarabull1
Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 421

Somer Thompson lived near 161 sex offenders. Is that number high?

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http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/1023/p02s10-usgn.html


Sex offender clusters exist in some parts of Florida – though Orange Park does not qualify.

161 sex offenders is NOT a cluster?????

What pray tell IS? :ohmy:It's mind boggling isn't it? But not unusual.
JMO.

[Dunlurken]

I'd like to see the SO harshly punished instead of our children.

There should be no reason our kids cannot go outside unattended!

MOO

There should be no reason they can't sleep in their own bedrooms alone either. Elizabeth Smart. Kidnapped out of her own bedroom while sleeping. Parents down the hall. Makes no sense to me.

[Justice4all]

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpopular/story/Offender-Alert-October-21-2009/W0nLgboHake_aekvaIaZkA.cspx

The first guy on the list also happens to ALSO be listed on Somer's Missing Person Report !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Great catch......

I wonder how close he is to the family. :mad:

[Dunlurken]

I always wonder about this.... you cannot tell me that NO public official has never had a child suffer at the hands of one of these bastards.... never???? Don't believe that. But that when they are making laws it's like it's other peoples kids so what's the big deal?????

Even if it is someone elses daughter... how could the gut wrenching pain and heartache you see when Deina is speaking should be enough to get anyones attention!!!!

And Governor Crist (sp?) stood quietly by at the press conference. Will he do anything? NO!

[tarabull1]

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#640 10-23-2009, 01:24 AM
tarabull1
Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008
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Somer Thompson lived near 161 sex offenders. Is that number high?

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http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/1023/p02s10-usgn.html


Sex offender clusters exist in some parts of Florida – though Orange Park does not qualify.

161 sex offenders is NOT a cluster?????

What pray tell IS? :ohmy:

If you haven't seen this map - its a good visual...it's broken down by the distance RSOs live in relation to Florida Elemantary Schools:

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-10-23/story/threat_posed_by_sex_offenders_varies_widely_in_jac ksonville_area#

(click on the link, then on the map on the lhs of the page....then again on the four direction arrow icon once ON THE MAP to exand the map to view...)

[Justice4all]

Does anyone know why these people are all listed on the missing person report? Are these people in the family's immediate network of friends (not being sarcastic here)?

Yeah i would love to know the same thing. and was the family aware he was a RSO:sad:

[Dunlurken]

Great catch......

I wonder how close he is to the family. :mad:

What the heck are you guys talking about? He's a missing SO. Why would he be a friend of the family? :confused:

[Texas48]

I wondered the same thing when I read the report. Are these friends/neighbours?? Uhoh. Not sure if any of you caught it yesterday when Somer's mom was asked the question who she felt did this. She replied that she didn't know and then said something like for all she knows it could be an <eh>....and then she stopped. I thought she was going to say ex neighbour or ex friend or ex something.

If any of you get a chance, listen to it again. Unfortunately I'm at work and can't. I wish I could. Maybe this guy is who they're looking for????BBM
I did catch the words n/t..I had it on Tivo and I replayed it several times to make sure I was hearing it right...I still have it on Tivo and will listen again..perhaps someone with better *hearing* can catch exactly was she is saying...
I just get a *feeling* LE is looking at someone...

[threesnugbugs]

These are "missing" SOs. I loved what Diena said yesterday....We will find you!

Why is Sean's name first on the list then? Just wondering-no negative vibes :)

[Justice4all]

What the heck are you guys talking about? He's a missing SO. Why would he be a friend of the family? :confused:

Missing now.....but sure wasn't missing when he was on the missing person report.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/10/22/police.report.pdf

He's #11....and he works at a bar...

I really don't think RSO should work at bars. MOO

[snap4]

I appologise but I have several questions and unfortunately do not have time to read every thread today, so could someone be so kind as to fill me in? These are the question I have..

What made them search the landfill? Did they have some tip that sent them there? I am just suprised how quickly they zoned in on the ladfills. Just seems odd to me.

Have they zeroed in on any specific person responsible?

And lastly I just wanted to say my heart just breaks for this family. I literally just sat here and cried while watching that poor mother on tv yesterday. Just horrifying what the family is going through! Does anyone know if there is an address that I could send them something. I just want to send them something that may help with their greif?

Thanks all, this story just breaks my heart!
Snap

[Justice4all]

Why is Sean's name first on the list then? Just wondering-no negative vibes :)

First on what list?

[Dunlurken]

Why is Sean's name first on the list then? Just wondering-no negative vibes :)

What link are you looking at? The only link I'm seeing is a newspaper article that shows three missing SOs. Are they supposed to put them in alphabetical order or something. I am totally confused. JMO.

[threesnugbugs]

First on what list?

The missing person's report. We were wondering who the people were on the list. The first one is Sean. I thought it might be an immediate circle of people known to Somer. Others thought it might be missing SO since one offender is on the missing person's report in the list of people.

[threesnugbugs]

What link are you looking at? The only link I'm seeing is a newspaper article that shows three missing SOs. Are they supposed to put them in alphabetical order or something. I am totally confused. JMO.

The missing person's report page two http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/10/22/police.report.pdf
that TARABULL pointed to. It is in the links section. It names the same individual, among others in the article you are referring to.

[Texas48]

There should be no reason they can't sleep in their own bedrooms alone either. Elizabeth Smart. Kidnapped out of her own bedroom while sleeping. Parents down the hall. Makes no sense to me.BBM
as well as Polly Klass and little Jessica Lundsford..just to mention a few..HOW does it happen???
IMO..our children should not have to live in SECURE BUBBLE....
IMO..citizens/lawmakers have to demand changes...PPL must start demanding *Rights for Children*.......

[Justice4all]

The missing person's report. We were wondering who the people were on the list. The first one is Sean. I thought it might be an immediate circle of people known to Somer. Others thought it might be missing SO since one offender is on the missing person's report in the list of people.

he's first on the list on because he's a family friend that was going to babysit the children for a couple hours. has nothing to do with the RSO list.

[Dunlurken]

I appologise but I have several questions and unfortunately do not have time to read every thread today, so could someone be so kind as to fill me in? These are the question I have..

What made them search the landfill? Did they have some tip that sent them there? I am just suprised how quickly they zoned in on the ladfills. Just seems odd to me.

Have they zeroed in on any specific person responsible?



Unfortunately, we don't know the answers to any of your questions YET. IIRC, one of the LE people suggested that they follow the dump trucks to the landfill. 50 miles away, in another State. BINGO. That person was right.

Very sad case. JMO.

[Justice4all]

The missing person's report page two http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/10/22/police.report.pdf
that TARABULL pointed to. It is in the links section. It names the same individual, among others in the article you are referring to.

Tara was talking about Clayton Graham

[threesnugbugs]

he's first on the list on because he's a family friend that was going to babysit the children for a couple hours. has nothing to do with the RSO list.


just to clarify, one RSO from the newspaper article is also listed among other non-RSO on the orignal missing person's report.

[Dunlurken]

he's first on the list on because he's a family friend that was going to babysit the children for a couple hours. has nothing to do with the RSO list.

Do you have a link? I would really like to see it. Pretty please? :biggrin:

[Rayosunshine]

I read on the board a report that a lady in the neighborhood, where the vacant house is located, asked (?) LE to search the house and the dumpster, but the report indicated it was not done. Then, the next day, one of LE said on TV that when he woke up on Wednesday morning, he thought about searching the landfill first. Am wondering if this lady spoke to this member of LE, when she made the initial suggestion? I know a few people like this, if that is the case. Take someone else's idea and make it look like it's your own? Or, does that particular LE know more?

[mdibella]

And that makes me really mad. Our laws against sex offenders of children are way to lenient.

Amen to that. When will our legal system be changed to understand that these child predators do NOT change their ways, and as long as they are allowed to walk among us, no child is safe.

I grit my teeth whenever I hear a defense attorney on a talk show say something like, 'They've served their sentences, they have a right to be released from prison, you can't keep someone in jail for something they MIGHT do'.

Soooo...Mr/Ms defense attorney, how many dead kids should your client be allowed before we finally throw away the key???

[threesnugbugs]

Tara was talking about Clayton Graham


As, was I.

[Texas48]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news Motomom, but there are likely 10 times that many SO's who have never been caught.

.. just roaming around looking for another chance at someone's child.

MOOBBM
Morning sis.. I am willing to bet you are CORRECT about the SOs that have not been caught...

[threesnugbugs]

The missing person's report page two http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/10/22/police.report.pdf
that TARABULL pointed to. It is in the links section. It names the same individual, among others in the article you are referring to.

Here you go.

[Rayosunshine]

Unfortunately, we don't know the answers to any of your questions YET. IIRC, one of the LE people suggested that they follow the dump trucks to the landfill. 50 miles away, in another State. BINGO. That person was right.

Very sad case. JMO.

"that person" made a pretty lucky guess, or...?

[tarabull1]

Do you have a link? I would really like to see it. Pretty please? :biggrin:


EVERYTHING has been posted up thread....slow down, take a deep breathe, and LOOK.

[Justice4all]

Do you have a link? I would really like to see it. Pretty please? :biggrin:

Did you read the police report....Mom said Sean is a family friend they had lunch and she asked him to stay and watch the children till she got off work. :confused:

[Justice4all]

As, was I.

Why did you say Sean then?

Why is Sean's name first on the list then? Just wondering-no negative vibes :)

[Rayosunshine]

Did you read the police report....Mom said Sean is a family friend they had lunch and she asked him to stay and watch the children till she got off work. :confused:


Sean, the person in Somer's home who sent her siblings out to look for her, but didn't go himself. Makes my stomach churn.

[Dunlurken]

The missing person's report page two http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/10/22/police.report.pdf
that TARABULL pointed to. It is in the links section. It names the same individual, among others in the article you are referring to.

Okay, got it. Is S. Patton a RSO?

[Justice4all]

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/10/22/police.report.pdf
Police Report when Somer went missing....note name #11 on this list ( has NOTHING to do with Sean) His name is Clayton W Graham.

Now, this is the SO list that was in the paper today:
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpopular/story/Offender-Alert-October-21-2009/W0nLgboHake_aekvaIaZkA.cspx

Perp # one is Clayton W Graham.

What we don't know is why his name is on the Police Report? Was he added because they wanted to interview him because he was a known RSO? Or because he was a 'witness'?



Exactly....and i would love to know if the family knew this guy.

[Justice4all]

Sean, the person in Somer's home who sent her siblings out to look for her, but didn't go himself. Makes my stomach churn.

ITA...I have to wonder why he did that.

[snap4]

Unfortunately, we don't know the answers to any of your questions YET. IIRC, one of the LE people suggested that they follow the dump trucks to the landfill. 50 miles away, in another State. BINGO. That person was right.

Very sad case. JMO.

Thank you...If anyone does happen to hear of an address for me to send them something could you please send me it in a PM.
much appreciated

yes very sad!

[Rayosunshine]

Okay, got it. Is S. Patton a RSO?


Not that it has been mentioned, or that we are aware of.

He has the holistic website, and has taken his pic off of the site, I believe since the body was found. Why would you worry about your pic being on your website? I always understood that anything on the web, that is on your website, is all over the web. Did he not want to be recognized? I don't know, makes no sense to me.

[Dunlurken]

Missing now.....but sure wasn't missing when he was on the missing person report.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/10/22/police.report.pdf

He's #11....and he works at a bar...

I really don't think RSO should work at bars. MOO
That's Clayton Graham. I thought we were talking about Sean Patton?

[tarabull1]

Okay, got it. Is S. Patton a RSO?

NO he's NOT an RSO

[Rayosunshine]

ITA...I have to wonder why he did that.

I actually get a hot flush (adrenalin rush, and not a good one) when I think about it. Same thing happens to me when I think about my son's death.

[tarabull1]

That's Clayton Graham. I thought we were talking about Sean Patton?

Are you messing with US?

[Justice4all]

That's Clayton Graham. I thought we were talking about Sean Patton?

NO....we are talking about CG.....

Have you read the missing persons police report yet?

[Rayosunshine]

Dun, no Sean is not a RSo

Ray, Sean does not live in the home and he is not the moms boyfriend. The live in boyfriends name is Charles Currier

Thanks TBIBeg, I learned that yesterday about Sean. He was visiting and had lunch with the mom at the home.

[threesnugbugs]

I feel like I am in some dumb dream. I said Sean because I disagreed with someone who thought that the missing person's report list of names might be all RSO. I used Sean as an example of why I didn't believe that, because Sean WAS NOT A RSO. The only one known to be a RSO on the missing person's report was the Clayton Graham who was listed in the news article.

This was the original post:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rayosunshine View Post
Does anyone know why these people are all listed on the missing person report? Are these people in the family's immediate network of friends (not being sarcastic here)?


Threesnugbugs: That's what I thought of too. Sean is the first one listed-so I assumed it would be a list of people who knew Somer and she would respond to. IF SO, another example of a RSO infiltrating our kids' networks without notice.

I was referring to Clayton Graham in my last sentence. I was referring to Sean in my second.

[Dunlurken]

NO....we are talking about CG.....

Have you read the missing persons police report yet?
Yes, twice. I see no relevance to Somer. Sean patton, who is NOT a RSO offered to take care of the kids. The boyfriend was at work.

[snap4]

ITA...I have to wonder why he did that.

Just speculating but maybe he was worried about leaving the other children in the house alone while he went searching? Mabe he doesn't have a car and couldn't just pack them all up and take them all with searching? I guess I maybe would have told all the children to stay in the house, lock the doors and not to open it for anyone but him when he returned...I don't know people do starnge things when they are put in unbeleivable situations? Just tossing my thoughts out there

[Justice4all]

Yes, twice. I see no relevance to Somer. Sean patton, who is NOT a RSO offered to take care of the kids. The boyfriend was at work.

Did you see Clayton Graham's name on the report? he's #11 and that's who were all talking about.

[Rayosunshine]

Just speculating but maybe he was worried about leaving the other children in the house alone while he went searching? Mabe he doesn't have a car and couldn't just pack them all up and take them all with searching? I guess I maybe would have told all the children to stay in the house, lock the doors and not to open it for anyone but him when he returned...I don't know people do starnge things when they are put in unbeleivable situations? Just tossing my thoughts out there

many possible reasons, we will never know them all.

[tarabull1]

I feel like I am in some dumb dream. I said Sean because I disagreed with someone who thought that the missing person's report list of names might be all RSO. I used Sean as an example of why I didn't believe that, because Sean WAS NOT A RSO. The only one known to be a RSO on the missing person's report was the Clayton Graham who was listed in the news article.

My dear....please find some comfort knowing U r not alone in this DUMB dream. EYE YEY YEY!

EVERYONE get a coffee, it's evident, we all need one.

[Justice4all]

Just speculating but maybe he was worried about leaving the other children in the house alone while he went searching? Mabe he doesn't have a car and couldn't just pack them all up and take them all with searching? I guess I maybe would have told all the children to stay in the house, lock the doors and not to open it for anyone but him when he returned...I don't know people do starnge things when they are put in unbeleivable situations? Just tossing my thoughts out there

He could have just taken the children with him to go search for Somer IMO

[Rayosunshine]

He could have just taken the children with him to go search for Somer IMO

Right, since they were on foot, he could be too. Plus the other children would be safer with an adult with them. But....

[Rayosunshine]

I thought he did go out with them:confused:


Not according to the missing person report. Unless the person preparing the report made a mistake, and I think that would be a very big one.

[Justice4all]

I thought he did go out with them:confused:

that's not what the police report said :sad:

[Marcia3]

Not trying to add to any confusion...but I'm confused.

I read the police/missing persons report.

Why are those names listed? Clayton Graham?

Or do we not have the answer to this question and that's where some of the earlier confusion came from?

:confused:

[threesnugbugs]

My dear....please find some comfort knowing U r not alone in this DUMB dream. EYE YEY YEY!

EVERYONE get a coffee, it's evident, we all need one.

Going to drink a whole pot! :)

[Marcia3]

I thought he did go out with them:confused:

Maybe you're mixing up the boyfriend and Sean, the babysitter. I was a bit confused on that earlier...boyfriend did go out and search, Sean did not, at least according to the police report.

[Rayosunshine]

Back later.

Love to all.

[n/t]

Not trying to add to any confusion...but I'm confused.

I read the police/missing persons report.

Why are those names listed? Clayton Graham?

Or do we not have the answer to this question and that's where some of the earlier confusion came from?

:confused:

Yes we're wondering why this guy appears on Somer's missing person report.

[Dunlurken]

Not trying to add to any confusion...but I'm confused.

I read the police/missing persons report.

Why are those names listed? Clayton Graham?

Or do we not have the answer to this question and that's where some of the earlier confusion came from?

:confused:

I'm with you. What's the point of discussing Clayton Graham when he is just one of many missing RSOs? Sure did cause me some confusion. JMO. I thought he was Sean Patton or the boyfriend.

Let's keep this in focus people and not try and create more confusion then we already have. JMO.

[Dunlurken]

Yes we're wondering why this guy appears on Somer's missing person report.

Because he's a "suspect". A missing RSO.

[n/t]

Someone pass the advil.

See you all later. I'm not into playing games with a certain poster.

[tarabull1]

I'm with you. What's the point of discussing Clayton Graham when he is just one of many missing RSOs? Sure did cause me some confusion. JMO. I thought he was Sean Patton or the boyfriend.

Let's keep this in focus people and not try and create more confusion then we already have. JMO.

OK i'm convinced...YOU ARE messing with us....YOU HAVE to be.

[Marcia3]

Yes we're wondering why this guy appears on Somer's missing person report.

Thanks, that's what I thought...so it's not just me and that's a relief.

[Marcia3]

I may need a drink!
Is it 5 o'clock anywhere?

Well, if I reset my computer clock right now to 5 o'clock, does that count?

:lol:

[Dunlurken]

OK i'm convinced...YOU ARE messing with us....YOU HAVE to be.

I don't "mess" with people when I'm trying to find out what happened to Somer.

Later peeps!

[Marcia3]

I thought the list was possibly the people they taled to at the very beginning. Not sure why the Clayton guy's name is on there. But they have an addy & phone # & employment..then he is listed as missing in the other article. Did he just go missing? Was his name brought up by someone during the initial investigation & added to the list as a potential witness..??? I have no idea???

Then I'm in good company since my questions are the same as yours.

[*Serenity*]

Someone pass the advil.

See you all later. I'm not into playing games with a certain poster.

:thumbup: you must have experienced this same issue on other forums here like I did. Drives me batty.

AND I totally missed the presser this morning so I am to search for that. Have a great day n/t...!

[*Serenity*]

I don't "mess" with people when I'm trying to find out what happened to Somer.

Later peeps!

If you would read more and post less-- that would be a good start.
It is important to read the links provided instead of questioning everyone that is discussing a link they actuallly read.

If you want to know what happened to Somer start with the police report and then go through the links thread, they are in date order.

Good-luck with that.

~peace~

[snap4]

Anyone see this? Hmmm same day as the day Somer went missing WOW

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-10-22/story/naked_man_chases_jacksonville_girl_walking_home_fr om_school

[Justice4all]

I'm with you. What's the point of discussing Clayton Graham when he is just one of many missing RSOs? Sure did cause me some confusion. JMO. I thought he was Sean Patton or the boyfriend.

Let's keep this in focus people and not try and create more confusion then we already have. JMO.

Are you serious? YOU don't want us discussing a missing RSO that's on the missing persons report?

[Lyndilu1]

This is what I found out about the Incident Report Name List:

"The incident Name report lists each relevant party to the incident and they enter a code to describe their relation to the incident. Use Code Letter "O" to list people not described by the codes but who are named in the Narrative. The Narrative is describing the incident from the viewpoint of the person giving the report. Use Code Letter "I" as party been interviewed."

[*Serenity*]

Are you serious? YOU don't want us discussing a missing RSO that's on the missing persons report?

She didn't read the report!!
Red Flag...!!! Did you see his photo? Super creepy and I read last night he is on the lam.

[onedarksun]

Is Sean local or does he reside somewhere else? He came and had lunch with the Mom - and stayed to watch/wait for the kids to get home from school - both the Mom and boyfriend are at work - is it possible that if Sean is not familiar with the area, that is why he did not go out and look - or the kids told him that Somer had run off before and she would come back like last time? I have not found where Sean lives -

[tarabull1]

If you would read more and post less-- that would be a good start.
It is important to read the links provided instead of questioning everyone that is discussing a link they actuallly read.

If you want to know what happened to Somer start with the police report and then go through the links thread, they are in date order.

Good-luck with that.

~peace~

Thank you Serenity for speaking MY mind! LOL

And just to add - for those that are not aware - the LINKS ONLY thread is where we are supposed to post details & information available on the case.

[Marcia3]

Anyone see this? Hmmm same day as the day Somer went missing WOW

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-10-22/story/naked_man_chases_jacksonville_girl_walking_home_fr om_school

WOW is right! What on earth?

Sick, sick, sick...but could there be a connection?

[Marcia3]

Is Sean local or does he reside somewhere else? He came and had lunch with the Mom - and stayed to watch/wait for the kids to get home from school - both the Mom and boyfriend are at work - is it possible that if Sean is not familiar with the area, that is why he did not go out and look - or the kids told him that Somer had run off before and she would come back like last time? I have not found where Sean lives -

Or stayed there in case Somer came home?

[*Serenity*]

Anyone have any luck this morning finding out about all the digging last night at the vacant house?

I still find it very odd that little Haleigh is in the bordering county missing. It would be a miracle if they could find Haleigh in the middle of this investigation. Did another creep or the same creep toss Haleigh in a dumpster and off to the landfill she went? Makes me sick to think this or type it.

I read last night the local funeral home is helping the family with funeral arrangements, anyone hear when they are planning the funeral or memorial. Reminds of the same thing little Sandra Cantu's family went through.

[Marcia3]

This is what I found out about the Incident Report Name List:

"The incident Name report lists each relevant party to the incident and they enter a code to describe their relation to the incident. Use Code Letter "O" to list people not described by the codes but who are named in the Narrative. The Narrative is describing the incident from the viewpoint of the person giving the report. Use Code Letter "I" as party been interviewed."

Thank you!

Now I have to go back and read the report to see what codes are next to each of the names, but thanks for solving this mystery!

:thumbsup:

[*Serenity*]

Thank you Serenity for speaking MY mind! LOL

And just to add - for those that are not aware - the LINKS ONLY thread is where we are supposed to post details & information available on the case.


Went through the same thing on the Caylee board and it drove me nuts.
I'm not perfect by any means but I do check the links thread, google, and start at the back of a thread to see what the current topic is.
But- that's just me.

Right now I am searching for updates for Somer's funeral and still trying to find information about all that digging last night. Also heard-- and would need to find the link they had the luminol going in the house.

[onedarksun]

is the missing persons report mixed in with the report from the robbery? when I go into the report - it lists the robbery people - or am I doing something wrong....(which is very possible)

[Nascargal]

Tara was talking about Clayton Graham

well heck from this SP did not look it was the daughter and then the live in BF if I am reading it right page 5 of 6

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/10/22/police.report.pdf

[tarabull1]

Is Sean local or does he reside somewhere else? He came and had lunch with the Mom - and stayed to watch/wait for the kids to get home from school - both the Mom and boyfriend are at work - is it possible that if Sean is not familiar with the area, that is why he did not go out and look - or the kids told him that Somer had run off before and she would come back like last time? I have not found where Sean lives -

Seans address (in Jacksonville) is on the Missing Person Report.

[onedarksun]

is the missing persons report mixed in with the report from the robbery? when I go into the report - it lists the robbery people - or am I doing something wrong....(which is very possible)


never mind - I obviously am reading incorrect info - seeing things not there - my apologies....

[Marcia3]

It didn't help me much Marcia...see my post above...I'm still confused :confused:

Yeah, I am still confused. I even printed out the report to make it easier to read. I just don't get the whole "IO" indication which would mean that they interviewed these people?

And the RSO they talked to is now on the lam?

[onedarksun]

could the extra adults listed on the report be people called in by Sean/Charlie/Deana to help look for Somer?

[Nascargal]

Someone pass the advil.

See you all later. I'm not into playing games with a certain poster.

I just took 2 I will send you some n/t I am just catching up from a few hours ago and I think I will continue to catch up.:tongueside:

[onedarksun]

I guess they could be????

they are all adults around Diena's age - some live on the same road - I have never had to file a report like that (thank goodness) and am not sure - but do they take all the names of people who are at the house at the time the report is made/taken?

[Justice4all]

She didn't read the report!!
Red Flag...!!! Did you see his photo? Super creepy and I read last night he is on the lam.

ITA super creepy....

I have to wonder why his names on that missing persons report. Is there more to the missing persons report we haven't seen?

[*Serenity*]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/special/somer/default.aspx


Information for some that may have missed a few reports. Still looking for other updates online.

[Nascargal]

could the extra adults listed on the report be people called in by Sean/Charlie/Deana to help look for Somer?

That was my first thought perhaps people they knew or called to help and as we know LE keeps records of anyone who is at the home or searching at that stage I would think or people who may have seen her. just a guess

[Justice4all]

I thought it was worth questioning myself.

Do you know if police reports usually contain names of people they talked to, or do they also add people who may have been mentioned that LE wants to talk to???

I see "accident" Reports all the time here at work (attorney office), they usually just have the names of the parties involved and names of witnesses.

I'm really not sure to be honest. In the Haleigh Cummings case her bio mom wasn't there but her name was on the missing report...

[*Serenity*]

ITA super creepy....

I have to wonder why his names on that missing persons report. Is there more to the missing persons report we haven't seen?

I got confused with all the confusion going on here and then went to another site and guess what? All of them are just as confused as we are. This guy and then the three that were arrested the other night have address's of Somer's home, yet they didn't live there so why use that address, unless they had no ID and wouldn't provide their address?
This is confusing because we have no one providing any reports for confirmation.

ps- the RSO does NOT have Somer's address-- he actually has 2 address's and IIRC one is his Father's home in Texas.

I need some breakfast. LOL

[Nascargal]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/special/somer/default.aspx


Information for some that may have missed a few reports. Still looking for other updates online.

Thank you Serenity appreciate it:wub:

[threesnugbugs]

back after a full pot-back to lurk mode. It's no wonder I have so few posts after being here since 2001! (says 2004, but had to register after the crash)

[Chica]

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpopular/story/Offender-Alert-October-21-2009/W0nLgboHake_aekvaIaZkA.cspx

The first guy on the list also happens to ALSO be listed on Somer's Missing Person Report !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How did you pick that up? Why is LE looking for him when they just interviewed him ? Don't they even know? I haven't been able to catch up, but wanted to know what is going on with this? Does this SO appearing on the police report mean he was there at the time LE was questioning people?

[Marcia3]

How did you pick that up? Why is LE looking for him when they just interviewed him ? Don't they even know? I haven't been able to catch up, but wanted to know what is going on with this? Does this SO appearing on the police report mean he was there at the time LE was questioning people?

That's the million dollar question right now.

[Justice4all]

well heck from this SP did not look it was the daughter and then the live in BF if I am reading it right page 5 of 6

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/10/22/police.report.pdf

yes Charles ( live in bf ) helped search for Somer when he got home from work.

[Nascargal]

I got confused with all the confusion going on here and then went to another site and guess what? All of them are just as confused as we are. This guy and then the three that were arrested the other night have address's of Somer's home, yet they didn't live there so why use that address, unless they had no ID and wouldn't provide their address?
This is confusing because we have no one providing any reports for confirmation.

ps- the RSO does NOT have Somer's address-- he actually has 2 address's and IIRC one is his Father's home in Texas.

I need some breakfast. LOL

Well at least we are not the only ones confused:smile:

[bluwaters]

Not that it has been mentioned, or that we are aware of.

He has the holistic website, and has taken his pic off of the site, I believe since the body was found. Why would you worry about your pic being on your website? I always understood that anything on the web, that is on your website, is all over the web. Did he not want to be recognized? I don't know, makes no sense to me.

It makes perfect sense to me. Some vigilante may decide that he is guilty and take matters into their own hands.
Nuts could stalk him.
He could be receiving death threats
In his position, I would do the same thing, even if completely innocent.
If he is innocent, imagine how he feels, thinking that he didn't react appropriately when time was of the essence.
I have read that Somer had a habit of leaving the group of children and taking off alone, sometimes not arriving home for 1/2 hour or so after the others.
I am certainly not blaming the victim, just saying that based on her prior behavior, it was not unusual for Somer to lag behind her siblings.
I am not ready to convict Sean yet, as long as LE has not arrested him.

[Marcia3]

It makes perfect sense to me. Some vigilante may decide that he is guilty and take matters into their own hands.
Nuts could stalk him.
He could be receiving death threats
In his position, I would do the same thing, even if completely innocent.
If he is innocent, imagine how he feels, thinking that he didn't react appropriately when time was of the essence.
I have read that Somer had a habit of leaving the group of children and taking off alone, sometimes not arriving home for 1/2 hour or so after the others.
I am certainly not blaming the victim, just saying that based on her prior behavior, it was not unusual for Somer to lag behind her siblings.
I am not ready to convict Sean yet, as long as LE has not arrested him.

ITA. And thanks for pointing these things out, I'm sorry to say they didn't occur to me. :blushing:

[Justice4all]

I wish i could figure out the code next to Clayton Grahams name on the police report.

[VC2]

Yes, twice. I see no relevance to Somer. Sean patton, who is NOT a RSO offered to take care of the kids. The boyfriend was at work.

umm dunny, Somer's missing persons police report (the pdf) is completely relevant to her. One of the SO's they cannot find is Somer's police report.

imo

[Rayosunshine]

I'm sorry for your loss Rayosunshine :rose:

Thank you angellaw.

[Nascargal]

I wish i could figure out the code next to Clayton Grahams name on the police report.

is this a diffrent code from the other link?
http://www.scribd.com/doc/21469864/Somer-Thompson-Police-Report

Nevemind it is the same

[Jayne]

And what's the cutoff age now? What age can you let your son or daughter outdoors on their own?

Police have interviewed one hundred and fifty five sex offenders in this case according to HLN just now.

Frankie..I have no answer on that. It is up to the parents to decide, I guess. I do not let mine out walking on the sidewalks by himself even though he's a teen, big/tall and looks strong (but is physically ill and could hardly defend himself).

Where we lived before and he was 11-14, I allowed him to walk a short distance down the street to a local convenience store, where I knew the owners and knew they'd look out for him..and he had to be home within X minutes. I realize X minutes is all it might take for an abduction. I'd stand on the doorstep and watch him walk and wait for him to walk back. Overprotective..yes, I am..I've posted it before.

Where we live now, no - and he's no "child". If with a Big Brother - sure or at least 1 friend, more the better, and that they stay together, no matter what..there is more safety in numbers, I believe, much of the time. IMO, until the laws are changed and these perps get LWOP or the DP, I will be that OverProtective for quite some time yet.

At his age and size, he may not be a victim of a perverted child abductor (but might be) but still could fall victim to a 'lunatic' driving by or walking by in the alley.

States need to change their statutes/laws. One time offending is ENOUGH.

This guy deserves the DP and I think Fla will give it to him.

jmo

J

[Marcia3]

is this a diffrent code from the other link?
http://www.scribd.com/doc/21469864/Somer-Thompson-Police-Report

Nevemind it is the same

Oh my. I've looked at both reports on both links and see IO next to Graham's name on each of them.

Are you seeing DR on one of them? :confused:

[Justice4all]

Hi J4a..here is what was posted earlier about the codes:

Originally Posted by Lyndilu1
This is what I found out about the Incident Report Name List:

"The incident Name report lists each relevant party to the incident and they enter a code to describe their relation to the incident. Use Code Letter "O" to list people not described by the codes but who are named in the Narrative. The Narrative is describing the incident from the viewpoint of the person giving the report. Use Code Letter "I" as party been interviewed."

ohhhhhhhhhhh TY TY Angel

[Justice4all]

Amen, hallelujah and pass the collection plate. :closedeyes:

* drops in a few dollars *

I think a missing RSO being on the police report is HUGE



MOO

[Marcia3]

The person on the report listed directly above Graham's name has a "DR" as a code..we don't know what that is.

OK, see it now.

Unfortunately don't know what it means.

[Rayosunshine]

* drops in a few dollars *

I think a missing RSO being on the police report is HUGE



MOO

I don't see how they would be able to identify an SO as missing, so soon. Could they be drawing from a data base that shows who is accounted for, say as those who regularly meet with probation officers, or something like that?

[koawally]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/special/somer/default.aspx


Information for some that may have missed a few reports. Still looking for other updates online.

From the above link:
No Sex Offenders in Neighborhood Suspected in Somer's Murder

ORANGE PARK, FL -- Police have interviewed all known sex offenders living close to the area where Somer Thompson vanished Monday and do not suspect them in the 7-year-old's murder.

[Chica]

well heck from this SP did not look it was the daughter and then the live in BF if I am reading it right page 5 of 6

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/10/22/police.report.pdf

I admit to be trying to catch up right now, but are you speaking in code? What are you saying?
Also why are some thinking Sean has anything to do with this? Also has LE been notified that SO Graham was actually talking to them already? Wouldn't he be their first suspect since he was there? TIA to anyone who can shed some light for me today. Bust today, only have a minute here and there to read.

[Leanne Weich]

Tim Miller said that there were 100,000 RSO that are unaccounted for.. can't find them. It was the other night, anyone else hear that? 100,000!! If they are going to let these creeps out of jail, and I'm running out of names that are appropriate to call them, then they should all have gps ankle bracelets on or something.. something, anything because what they are doing now is NOT working. Maybe if they make the penalty DEATH after the FIRST offense something would change..

I agree with you although the problem with GPS devices is that these bucking fastards (sorry about the language but I'm :cursing: and sick of these damn pervs killing our kids) will just remove them if they want to rape and murder again. Remember Andrew Luster did just that before going on the lam in Mexico. I'm not equating him to child molestors and murderers although his actions were also heinous, imo.

[Chica]

I admit to be trying to catch up right now, but are you speaking in code? What are you saying?
Also why are some thinking Sean has anything to do with this? Also has LE been notified that SO Graham was actually talking to them already? Wouldn't he be their first suspect since he was there? TIA to anyone who can shed some light for me today. Bust today, only have a minute here and there to read.

Ok, I got it now SP is Sean. Sorry, a little slow on the uptake today. What is it about Sean that has some suspicious. I am suspicious of Mr. Graham.

[Leanne Weich]

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpopular/story/Offender-Alert-October-21-2009/W0nLgboHake_aekvaIaZkA.cspx

The first guy on the list also happens to ALSO be listed on Somer's Missing Person Report !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are all 3 of those photos the same guy? If so, I think RSOs should be required to be photographed every year because they can be so hard to identify from old photos.

I hope they find him because it's odd that he was around the day Somer disappeared and now he's disappeared. Maybe, if he's the perp, he's taken himself into the woods and committed suicide. In a way, I hope so because then at least we'd know he could never do this again.

[lune3]

Something is odd. I just checked firstcoast news and a particular article that was on there last night is gone, yet other ones are still there. It was the article which stated that digging equipment was brought into the Gano property.

I had noticed a comment underneath that stated there were 3 workmen working at the house. The poster sounded credible and appeared to be a local. It was the first I heard about 3 workers.

[Leanne Weich]

SO's, RSO's, Pedophiles and many others should have a computer chip put in their body with GPS capability. I'd vote for that!

We can do it to save out pets, why can't we do it to save our children?

I'd go for it in a heartbeat. The problem, as I see it, is you will always get people who cry about their civil rights. Just yesterday or the day before, people were complaining about Google Earth showing a picture of 2 children walking in the vicinity of Somer's home. Now, imo, if Google Earth had satellites that could take real time photos, that could solve a lot of crimes. Whether that would even be possible, I have no doubt as I am technologically illiterate.

[annalyzer]

Something is odd. I just checked firstcoast news and a particular article that was on there last night is gone, yet other ones are still there. It was the article which stated that digging equipment was brought into the Gano property.

I had noticed a comment underneath that stated there were 3 workmen working at the house. The poster sounded credible and appeared to be a local. It was the first I heard about 3 workers.

Is this it?

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=147081&catid=3#

[Marcia3]

I'd go for it in a heartbeat. The problem, as I see it, is you will always get people who cry about their civil rights. Just yesterday or the day before, people were complaining about Google Earth showing a picture of 2 children walking in the vicinity of Somer's home. Now, imo, if Google Earth had satellites that could take real time photos, that could solve a lot of crimes. Whether that would even be possible, I have no doubt as I am technologically illiterate.

Sure it's possible.

But it's also incredibly expensive, to say nothing of totally invasive.

It's the old question of how much freedom we would be willing to give up in order to keep law-abiding citizens safer?

[Lyndilu1]

Sure it's possible.

But it's also incredibly expensive, to say nothing of totally invasive.

It's the old question of how much freedom we would be willing to give up in order to keep law-abiding citizens safer?

It sure is possible. On Google earth, my dogs are in my front yard. You can see them plain as day.

[*Serenity*]

I don't see how they would be able to identify an SO as missing, so soon. Could they be drawing from a data base that shows who is accounted for, say as those who regularly meet with probation officers, or something like that?

I read the answer some where and I will go looking for that tid-bit of info. IIRC it was someone who knows him there in the area, or possibly a place he was staying.

Give me some time HA HA ... I have to go digging around again.

[Rayosunshine]

I agree with you although the problem with GPS devices is that these bucking fastards (sorry about the language but I'm :cursing: and sick of these damn pervs killing our kids) will just remove them if they want to rape and murder again. Remember Andrew Luster did just that before going on the lam in Mexico. I'm not equating him to child molestors and murderers although his actions were also heinous, imo.


I'd like to see one of them try to move a GPS that is implanted in the chest cavity like a pacemaker. That would be messy.

[Rayosunshine]

I read the answer some where and I will go looking for that tid-bit of info. IIRC it was someone who knows him there in the area, or possibly a place he was staying.

Give me some time HA HA ... I have to go digging around again.

Aww thanks Serenity, you're so sweet.

[Marcia3]

I'd like to see one of them try to move a GPS that is implanted in the chest cavity like a pacemaker. That would be messy.

Especially if it was done without benefit of anesthesia...:scared:

[fastpitch]

Leanne, those are 3 guys - Graham, Meeks and Spires.

[AZCHARGED]

The person on the report listed directly above Graham's name has a "DR" as a code..we don't know what that is.

Possibly: Discrete Register
Data Received
Data Relocate

[febreze]

mentioned an older son durn the press interview. who is the older son and does he live with her?

[cassidy]

I am standing by my initial gut feeling that Sean had nothing to do with this. I think he stayed at the house while the others searched in case Somer came back to the house. MOO

I'm standing with you on that. He probably didn't even think abduction. Probably thought she was mad at the other kids and they could find her easier than he could.

JMO

[Leanne Weich]

It's just the 1st picture..they are all different people. read the little write up beside each pic. They have the names beside each picture.

Thanks angel. For some reason there is nothing beside each pic when I pull up the article.

[annalyzer]

mentioned an older son durn the press interview. who is the older son and does he live with her?


I heard one child lived in Ohio iirc. No link.

[W_D_1]

:shrug: I only heard of the older daughter and Somer's twin brother, I think his name is Sam.



The police report listed another son. It stated she told police she went to the school to pick up her son Andrew.

[*Serenity*]

Something is odd. I just checked firstcoast news and a particular article that was on there last night is gone, yet other ones are still there. It was the article which stated that digging equipment was brought into the Gano property.

I had noticed a comment underneath that stated there were 3 workmen working at the house. The poster sounded credible and appeared to be a local. It was the first I heard about 3 workers.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=147081&provider=top

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/special/somer/default.aspx


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUvvaSTg5j0 <--Somers Mother this morning.
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[Leanne Weich]

I'd like to see one of them try to move a GPS that is implanted in the chest cavity like a pacemaker. That would be messy.


True, although I was thinking of the traditional GPS devices they use today. Your way of thinking, I really like although I would prefer they be taken out back and put before a firing squad the day they are convicted. IMO, if there is DNA evidence which conclusively proves the convicted to be the person, forget about appeals etc. If, however, a person is convicted on CE only, then give them 1 appeal, to be held within a year and, if their appeal fails, then shoot them.

[Justice4all]

Thanks angel. For some reason there is nothing beside each pic when I pull up the article.

beside the first pic it says 36 year old Clayton William Graham is wanted for not registering his whereabouts with authorities. He's a sex offender from Texas who moved here to Florida. Graham has been known to live in both Clay and Duval County. Dominick Pape says now, they don't know where he's hiding, "did he run from that state, is he trying to conseal his location in this state, all those things give us concern."

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpopular/story/Offender-Alert-October-21-2009/W0nLgboHake_aekvaIaZkA.cspx

[tarabull1]

mentioned an older son durn the press interview. who is the older son and does he live with her?

:shrug: I only heard of the older daughter and Somer's twin brother, I think his name is Sam.

SNIPPED FROM THE TOP OF PAGE 5 OF SOMER'S MISSING PERSON REPORT:

I then met with D. Thompson at 1706 Horton Dr. D. Thomspon told me she received a text message from her friend Sean Patton, at around 1660 hours. She said text message stated S. Thompson did not come home with the rest of the children from school. She said she then left work and drove to Grove Park (OPAA) where she picked up her oldest son, Andrew Thompson. She said she then continued to look for S. Thompson in the immediate area of Grovef Park when she saw D/S Coan and reported the incident. D. Thompson told me that she has three children that attend Grove Park Elementary School. She said her oldest daughter, Abigail Thompson, who is ten years old attends the school. She said A. Thompson walks with her other two children, Somer Thompson & Samuel Thompson, home from school everyday.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/10/22/police.report.pdf

[Leanne Weich]

Leanne, those are 3 guys - Graham, Meeks and Spires.

Thanks a million. Using hubby's computer and it doesn't always display articles I pull up correctly. Don't know why.

[Chica]

y/w..the info did not make it any clearer to me though. Was he interviewed? Is he a suspect? Why is he now missing???

I feel totally drained after this week...I can barely think straight.

I feel the same way....:crying:

[bluwaters]

I actually get a hot flush (adrenalin rush, and not a good one) when I think about it. Same thing happens to me when I think about my son's death.
I am so sorry for your loss. :rose:

[Justice4all]

PC scheduled for 4:00 p.m. today

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/searchforsomer/default.aspx

TY for the update.

[Barbara fl.]

I wonder about this too and if it didn't make the most sense for him to stay home in case she did come home. If everyone else is more familiar w/the area and where she might go ~ it makes sense to have them look rather than have someone w/no clue wandering around getting lost themselves. I don't know.

He probably didn't give it much thought, the average person wouldn't think about it....they would expect for the child to come in any moment...

If he just came by that one day, he wouldn't think it was out of the ordinary....Aomer's mother probably would have went right out to look for her...

It's a horrible tragedy and I hope they find who ever did this...I wouldn't be surprised if he attended the vigil for Somer....because I do believe this low life lives in that area....

[Barbara fl.]

What would your solution to this problem be then? What's the answer?

No second chances when children are involved....Children can not defend themselves and for some reason they keep letting these creeps out to do it again....I would not be one bit surprised that when they catch this &&^&% that he is a repeated offender against children....

[impartial]

Clayton William Graham ... In the Offender Alert article, it indicates that he is wanted for not registering his whereabouts with authorities. Then it indicates that he moved from Texas to Florida, and they don't know where he is hiding, did he run from that state (Texas) is he trying to conceal his location in this state (Florida).

On the police report, it clearly gives an address, employers name, home telephone number and business telephone number.

The Offender Alert article indicates it was last updated on October 21, but I can't see where it was originally written. It's possible that the Offender Alert was written prior to October 19th, and updated on 10/21.

So, what I'm getting at, is where is it indicated that he is currently missing, that LE can't find him? Is there an article indicating they tried to find him at his home address/business address since 10/19 and he's disappeared?

TIA

imo

[tarabull1]

How did you pick that up? Why is LE looking for him when they just interviewed him ? Don't they even know? I haven't been able to catch up, but wanted to know what is going on with this? Does this SO appearing on the police report mean he was there at the time LE was questioning people?


By READING more and posting LESS......

[Barbara fl.]

mentioned an older son durn the press interview. who is the older son and does he live with her?


She had picked him up from school so he can't be that old...probably a teenager and the way it sounded is that he does live at home....

This family is destroyed due to some maniac on the loose...I hope they find out who did this and hang the creep.....

[bluwaters]

And Governor Crist (sp?) stood quietly by at the press conference. Will he do anything? NO!

From the links thread - *sigh*
Governor Crist did not stand quietly by.

FL Governor Charlie Crist, 10/21 press conference
video:
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/33419501#33419501

I don't understand why Governor Crist is being criticized so harshly on this board, especially by posters who have not watched the original source.
It is not his job to personally solve every crime in FL.
I am not even a fan of the governor, but he is not to blame here.

[VC2]

I am standing by my initial gut feeling that Sean had nothing to do with this. I think he stayed at the house while the others searched in case Somer came back to the house. MOO

angel i am with you on this. If i had been the one waiting for the kids, i would have sent them out to look for their sibling too and not worried at all until a half hour later.She was mad, kids go play or stop at another friends house or go to the park and in fact i think it is good he was so quick off the mark to immediately send the siblings out to find her (assuming as most would, that she was justdawdling or something caught her interest)

We on this board might be used to abductions but they are soooooo rare compared to all the other dangers that unless u follow crime boards or the papers really closely its not going to be a first thought, especially right after school.

Also since he isn't there daily, he wouldn't know Somer's normal patterns, i don't think he did anything wrong. Mom of course did know them and since it was then way to long for her to be missing reacted immediately.

Hindsight is 20 20. Just remember everyone, it is far more likely that the big brother or the uncle or nephew or dad or close family friend, is going to be the one who assaults and/or kills your daughter if anyone does. The stranger cases are heart wrenching but they are small in number compared to the ones who are the most likely danger to your kids. People whom you trust.

IMO

[VC2]

She had picked him up from school so he can't be that old...probably a teenager and the way it sounded is that he does live at home....

This family is destroyed due to some maniac on the loose...I hope they find out who did this and hang the creep.....

I believe he is 14 years old

imo

[boo]

Someone pass the advil.

See you all later. I'm not into playing games with a certain poster.

Thank you, NT. It's maddening that one poster can do so much damage and add so much confusion and then have the audacity to say something like "let's keep it in focus here people".

I've seen this same poster do it in a lot of the other high profile cases. I think what it comes down to is not wanting to do the legwork and instead of reading all the reports, they just ask questions and take shortcuts trying to get all the answers.

I pray they find this creep today and no other little child has to suffer at his hands.

[tarabull1]

Clayton William Graham ... In the Offender Alert article, it indicates that he is wanted for not registering his whereabouts with authorities. Then it indicates that he moved from Texas to Florida, and they don't know where he is hiding, did he run from that state (Texas) is he trying to conceal his location in this state (Florida).

On the police report, it clearly gives an address, employers name, home telephone number and business telephone number.

The Offender Alert article indicates it was last updated on October 21, but I can't see where it was originally written. It's possible that the Offender Alert was written prior to October 19th, and updated on 10/21.

So, what I'm getting at, is where is it indicated that he is currently missing, that LE can't find him? Is there an article indicating they tried to find him at his home address/business address since 10/19 and he's disappeared?

TIA

imo

He's no longer listed as Asbconded on the RSO website....so he has been located.

[bluwaters]

Thanks, Lady. Now as far as the four robbers, some say the address numbers were entered incorrectly. Not sure why the media hasn't picked it up yet.

Edited to add if the robbers were actually at the Thompson home, the media would have been all over it, in my opinion.
Hi Lady and Frankie -
I emailed several journalist from different news organizations in Jax, whose bylines I found on stories about this case.
I asked about these arrests and provided the link.
Here are the answers that I received :

From the Times-Union -
Thanks so much. We've asked about it and were told that the wrong address for those individuals was entered by police Not sure what that means, so I'll check it out further


From WTLV:
Thanks for writing.

We have checked with the sheriff’s office and there have been no arrests connected with Somer’s death.

I also sent the information to Nancy Grace and Jane Velez-Mitchell.
No reply from CNN, other than the standard acknowledgment that my messages were received.

[MAUIFC]

all I can say is that I will be doing a lot of praying tonight at synagogue.

I pray this person is found immediately.

May G-d bless and show favor upon LE and give this family justice.

No one should ever have to go thru this.

[impartial]

He's no longer listed as Asbconded on the RSO website....so he has been located.


Okay, thanks. The conclusions drawn upthread were confusing since all of his information was listed on the police report ... thought I missed a link, and couldn't find anything on the link thread.

:blink:

[Lynn Gweeny]

Cause of Somer's death kept a secret; funeral Tuesday; father coming from N.C.

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-10-23/story/cause_of_somers_death_kept_a_secret_funeral_tuesda y_father_coming_from_n#

[4Kids]

Cause of Somer's death kept a secret; funeral Tuesday; father coming from N.C.

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-10-23/story/cause_of_somers_death_kept_a_secret_funeral_tuesda y_father_coming_from_n#

I'd be really interested to see the forensic astros on this case, Lynn.

So very sad....although if nothing else, there is some closure. IMO

[Marcia3]

He's no longer listed as Asbconded on the RSO website....so he has been located.

Thank you for that update.

[bluwaters]

Memorial Arranged for Somer (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/special/somer/news-article.aspx?storyid=147103&catid=338)

The family of Somer Thompson met with a local funeral home and church staff members this morning to finalize arrangements.

The article gives the times and locations for the viewing on Monday evening and memorial service on Tues morning at 11 AM.
These events are open to the public.

There will be a private graveside service and private reception after the burial.

These events will take place at First Baptist Church Orange Park, with burial at the nearby Jacksonville Memory Gardens.

:rose:

[threesnugbugs]

Thank you, NT. It's maddening that one poster can do so much damage and add so much confusion and then have the audacity to say something like "let's keep it in focus here people".

I've seen this same poster do it in a lot of the other high profile cases. I think what it comes down to is not wanting to do the legwork and instead of reading all the reports, they just ask questions and take shortcuts trying to get all the answers.

I pray they find this creep today and no other little child has to suffer at his hands.

I for one, am not playing that game again, ever. :) Hopeful Somer's family has more answers today.

[impartial]

Cause of Somer's death kept a secret; funeral Tuesday; father coming from N.C.

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-10-23/story/cause_of_somers_death_kept_a_secret_funeral_tuesda y_father_coming_from_n#


Her poor sister, breaks my heart. :sad:

Great to see you Lynn. :rose:

[Lynn Gweeny]

I'd be really interested to see the forensic astros on this case, Lynn.

So very sad....although if nothing else, there is some closure. IMO


Interestingly enough, they have, 4Kids. (esp. posts #23, 33, 44 and 45)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90593

[5boxersmom]

I was hoping by the time I got here today there would have been an arrest. I couldn't sleep I kept thinking about Somer and Nevaeh, where there has never been arrest. I hope it doesn't happen with this case.

We can say don't let your kids outside by themselves but I was thinking about Couey, Westerfield, and Duncan who went right into those children's homes and took them. They are so determined and don't care the urge is all that matters. Seems like for everyone one that is caught and locked up 10 more appear. :angry: I feel like there is no stopping them.

I am sad and angry at the same time. :sad::angry:

jmo

[Barbara fl.]

I was hoping by the time I got here today there would have been an arrest. I couldn't sleep I kept thinking about Somer and Nevaeh, where there has never been arrest. I hope it doesn't happen with this case.

We can say don't let your kids outside by themselves but I was thinking about Couey, Westerfield, and Duncan who went right into those children's homes and took them. They are so determined and don't care the urge is all that matters. Seems like for everyone one that is caught and locked up 10 more appear. :angry: I feel like there is no stopping them.

I am sad and angry at the same time. :sad::angry:

jmo


I know what you mean...I get so paranoid I don't let the grandkids out to play....It's getting worse everyday..it's like open season on little helpless children....

I think for starters LE needs to seperate the sex offenders in catagories...the child molesters need to be known everytime one moves into your neighborhood...each and every resident should receive a flyer telling the name address and picture of these sicko's...

They are not giving us any warnings at all....that is not right....they get our children unsuspectingly.....

I'm sure this creep lives right there in that neighborhood and probably has been arrested and set free for child molestation before....

This really has got to come to an end or they will start to see vigilante's in the street...enough already..

[tarabull1]

With the latest report in the media stating no local sex offenders are being eyed in Somer's death maybe LE has started working other angles.

Maybe they will share some valuable 411 at the 4pm presser.

[4Kids]

They are different men.

36 year old Clayton William Graham

Richard Meeks is one of those men, the 48

53 year old Homer Spires

Hey Rucky. I am reading that LE cleared all the local SO's. These would be included, am I correct? Please don't throw anything at me. I am reading, just slightly confused. IMO

[4Kids]

Interestingly enough, they have, 4Kids. (esp. posts #23, 33, 44 and 45)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90593

Thanks Lynn. Interesting. You have me hooked. IMO

[Barbara fl.]

With the latest report in the media stating no local sex offenders are being eyed in Somer's death maybe LE has started working other angles.

Maybe they will share some valuable 411 at the 4pm presser.


Local sex offenders? we talk about them like they are the norm...like the local barber shop, or the local grocery store, orthe local pub....

These are evil rotton to the core individuals that should not be on the loose in our society...if they are KNOWN, then they should be away....it's bad enough to have to deal with the ones that are not known yet....

[Lynn Gweeny]

Nancy Grace Tonight: Investigators zero in on a vacant home near where Somer Thompson was last seen two days before her body was discovered in a landfill in Georgia. Have cops found any key pieces of evidence as they continue to search the vacant home that could lead to an arrest of a child killer? Also, cops confirm they have spoken with nearly all sexual predators in the area as they attempt to search for any possible leads!

http://www.facebook.com/NancyGraceHLN

[5boxersmom]

Local sex offenders? we talk about them like they are the norm...like the local barber shop, or the local grocery store, orthe local pub....

These are evil rotton to the core individuals that should not be on the loose in our society...if they are KNOWN, then they should be away....it's bad enough to have to deal with the ones that are not known yet....

BBM

That very well could be what happen with Somer. Scary, thinking about how many are registered but what about the ones that are not.

jmo

[BobbysGirl]

I know what you mean...I get so paranoid I don't let the grandkids out to play....It's getting worse everyday..it's like open season on little helpless children....

I think for starters LE needs to seperate the sex offenders in catagories...the child molesters need to be known everytime one moves into your neighborhood...each and every resident should receive a flyer telling the name address and picture of these sicko's...

They are not giving us any warnings at all....that is not right....they get our children unsuspectingly.....

I'm sure this creep lives right there in that neighborhood and probably has been arrested and set free for child molestation before....

This really has got to come to an end or they will start to see vigilante's in the street...enough already..
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I can't rem if I posted on this thread or not. I am so upset and heartbroken. Each day, turn on the news and another child goes missing. It makes me ill.

When our grandkids come to visit. No outside, front porch only and 2-3 adults outside. Or fenced in back yard. Front and back door open. We have very and I mean very young kids here from 2-9 in groups running up and down the streets and no adults outside. Scares me to know end. Plus the anger I have toward the parents.

My prayers go out to Somers family. Heart wrenching to see the mother on news. I hope soon they find the perverted creep who did this. I think the LE did a great job in finding Somer, within 48 hrs.But, the tears run. Thrown away in a dump. Horrific. I wish the law is changed. First offense death or life plus a couple hundred more years tacked on. Hope the rot in he**.

Sad, so very sad. And, I heard another 9 yr old missing. iirc. ?

Enuf of my rant, feelings and opinion.

BG

[RayStar]

Has the boyfriend been cleared?

[Leanne Weich]

Sure it's possible.

But it's also incredibly expensive, to say nothing of totally invasive.

It's the old question of how much freedom we would be willing to give up in order to keep law-abiding citizens safer?

I'd be willing to give up a photo of my home in real time if it would help save one child or help put a rapist/murderer behind bars.

[Leanne Weich]

y/w..the info did not make it any clearer to me though. Was he interviewed? Is he a suspect? Why is he now missing???

I feel totally drained after this week...I can barely think straight.

I'm with you on all of this. My first impression on reading the police report was that all the people named had been inteviewed.

My hears just breaks for the families of these murdered children. If it affects us, who didn't know the kids so badly, can you just imagine how their families feel?

[Rayosunshine]

I am so sorry for your loss. :rose:


Thanks bluwaters. It really is painful to know how this mother will feel when the "fog of shock" lifts in a few months. It will happen at the worst time, a time when others (co-workers, etc.) find it odd that she hasn't "gotten over it". Just makes my blood boil. I haven't heard from 1 of my friends, since my son's death 6 years ago. In reality, I don't need to hear from them, nor would I want to as we no longer have anything in common.

[impartial]

Thanks Lynn. Interesting. You have me hooked. IMO


Just finished reading the forensic astro thread, color me LOST.

Interesting about there possibly being a woman involved, although not when the actual crime was occurring.

imo

[Kathlb]

Thanks bluwaters. It really is painful to know how this mother will feel when the "fog of shock" lifts in a few months. It will happen at the worst time, a time when others (co-workers, etc.) find it odd that she hasn't "gotten over it". Just makes my blood boil. I haven't heard from 1 of my friends, since my son's death 6 years ago. In reality, I don't need to hear from them, nor would I want to as we no longer have anything in common.

I haven't read back to see the post concerning this Ray, I will, but I am there with you. I lost my youngest in '88 and we had one set of friends that were always there for us, but after the fog lifted a bit, I noticed that others were uncomfortable around us. Like they didn't know what to say and so they avoided us. It's a club I wouldn't wish on anyone. I didn't think us or our other sons would make it through, but we did. The memories don't cut like a knife anymore, I can even chuckle remembering how funny he was and talented. But it took a loooong time.

[BobbysGirl]

Thanks bluwaters. It really is painful to know how this mother will feel when the "fog of shock" lifts in a few months. It will happen at the worst time, a time when others (co-workers, etc.) find it odd that she hasn't "gotten over it". Just makes my blood boil. I haven't heard from 1 of my friends, since my son's death 6 years ago. In reality, I don't need to hear from them, nor would I want to as we no longer have anything in common.

I am sorry too. Your post got to me. I understand where you are coming from. God Bless You. Prayers.

BG

[Rayosunshine]

Many a nurse has intentionally harmed a patient, only to be praised for being the one to save the patient. Those nurses are so pleased with themselves and with the attention that they get, after the fact, that some have been known to harm patients over and over again.

[Rayosunshine]

I haven't read back to see the post concerning this Ray, I will, but I am there with you. I lost my youngest in '88 and we had one set of friends that were always there for us, but after the fog lifted a bit, I noticed that others were uncomfortable around us. Like they didn't know what to say and so they avoided us. It's a club I wouldn't wish on anyone. I didn't think us or our other sons would make it through, but we did. The memories don't cut like a knife anymore, I can even chuckle remembering how funny he was and talented. But it took a loooong time.

So sorry Kathlb. Some act as if they are afraid they will remind us of what happened, as if it is not on our minds 24/7.

[bluwaters]

I know what you mean...I get so paranoid I don't let the grandkids out to play....It's getting worse everyday..it's like open season on little helpless children....

I think for starters LE needs to seperate the sex offenders in catagories...the child molesters need to be known everytime one moves into your neighborhood...each and every resident should receive a flyer telling the name address and picture of these sicko's...

They are not giving us any warnings at all....that is not right....they get our children unsuspectingly.....

I'm sure this creep lives right there in that neighborhood and probably has been arrested and set free for child molestation before....

This really has got to come to an end or they will start to see vigilante's in the street...enough already..

Hi Barbara -
You can go to the FDLE website and locate the RSOs in your area, or anywhere in the state you want to search.
The sexual predators are separated from the sexual offenders. You can look at each one's record and see the crime for which they were convicted.
The FDLE also has an alert system that you can sign up for using your email address. They will send you an email to alert you when an SRO moves into your area,
It's not perfect, but it is one resource that we can utilize here in FL.
I hope this helps.

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/homepage.do

[lune3]

I've just caught up again after being gone a couple of hours. I so much want to hear of an arrest.

RayoSunshine..I too am very sorry for your loss.
I understand what you are saying about the period afterwards, when things have settled down and the mom will be alone in the quiet of her house, when routines of her supporters and her own routine are back on track..that is the worse time, needing to go forward when everybody's else's life is back to normal and Diena will have the constant reminders of her now gone child around her. I feel so heartbroken for her, her other children, and Somer's grandma who loved her so much too. I sincerely hope she continues to have close supporters around her months in the future. No, you never "get over it".

[Rayosunshine]

I am sorry too. Your post got to me. I understand where you are coming from. God Bless You. Prayers.

BG

Thanks BobbysGirl. And, forgive me if I thank anyone else now, since I don't want to clutter the board and get in trouble.

[impartial]

I haven't read back to see the post concerning this Ray, I will, but I am there with you. I lost my youngest in '88 and we had one set of friends that were always there for us, but after the fog lifted a bit, I noticed that others were uncomfortable around us. Like they didn't know what to say and so they avoided us. It's a club I wouldn't wish on anyone. I didn't think us or our other sons would make it through, but we did. The memories don't cut like a knife anymore, I can even chuckle remembering how funny he was and talented. But it took a loooong time.


You guys are breaking my heart. I have twin 9 year olds boys, and I just cannot imagine it if anything would ever happen to them.

I have been friends with the Brown's for 30 plus years, and at one of the functions after Nicole died, Judy whispered to me "hold your boys close". It tore me up.

I don't know how you survive losing a child. God bless you and Rayosunshine.

[BobbysGirl]

Many a nurse has intentionally harmed a patient, only to be praised for being the one to save the patient. Those nurses are so pleased with themselves and with the attention that they get, after the fact, that some have been known to harm patients over and over again.

Yes, there have been many in over a century. Seen some of the programs on them. I know. Beyond me.
:(

BG

[bluwaters]

I haven't read back to see the post concerning this Ray, I will, but I am there with you. I lost my youngest in '88 and we had one set of friends that were always there for us, but after the fog lifted a bit, I noticed that others were uncomfortable around us. Like they didn't know what to say and so they avoided us. It's a club I wouldn't wish on anyone. I didn't think us or our other sons would make it through, but we did. The memories don't cut like a knife anymore, I can even chuckle remembering how funny he was and talented. But it took a loooong time.
Oh no Kathlb!
You too?
I think that are quite a few on this board who have been through this horrible experience.
I am so sorry for your loss, and the lack of compassion from those you thought were friends.
:rose:

[*Serenity*]

The word viewing is not literally what it means is it?
Surely they are not having open casket viewing....?? I'm confused
with the words they have chosen here.





FUNERAL ARRANGEMENTS:
Viewing from 5 to 8 p.m. Monday at First Baptist Church of Orange Park, 1140 Kingsley Ave. The funeral will be held at 11 a.m. Tuesday, also at First Baptist of Orange Park. Both will be open to the public. A graveside service and a reception will be open only to invited family and friends.
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Anyone interested in helping the family with expenses related to the death can contribute at any Vystar Credit Union to Somer Thompson, account No. 0702794000, or P.O. Box 45085, Jacksonville, FL 32232-5085.


http://www.news4jax.com/news/21389523/detail.html

[tarabull1]

ANYBODY have the link to the presser that is starting about now????

TIA

[tarabull1]

ANYBODY have the link to the presser that is starting about now????

TIA

FOUND IT!

http://www.news4jax.com/video/15505198/index.html

[Breazy]

I've been away since yesterday afternoon and was just checking in for updates. Has anything come out about a suspect? I saw the memorial arrangements have been made. I am just praying really hard that an arrest is made soon!!!

[Lynn Gweeny]

LIVE: News Conference For Somer Thompson Case At 4 P.M.

http://www.news4jax.com/video/15505198/index.html

[impartial]

The word viewing is not literally what it means is it?
Surely they are not having open casket viewing....?? I'm confused
with the words they have chosen here.






http://www.news4jax.com/news/21389523/detail.html



Yes, viewing is an open casket viewing, usually done the day before the funeral.

imo

[*Serenity*]

You can also google Megans Law and follow the pages to locate RSO in your own neighborhood. Just found out I have one around the corner from me, and I'm in a gated community. No neighborhood in America holds the exclusive on where they live. They are walking amongst us and our children.

I think they should have a huge RED X tatoo'd on their foreheads so we know who the creeps are.

IMO

[Motomom]

The word viewing is not literally what it means is it?
Surely they are not having open casket viewing....?? I'm confused
with the words they have chosen here.






http://www.news4jax.com/news/21389523/detail.html

I wondered about that myself. It sounds like it to me. I believe that one little girl, God forgive, I cannot remember her name correctly. Amber Brooks? OR Brooke something. Killed by the "step" father or boyfriend, who was a known RSO I believe. Anyway, IIRC they had a viewing for her as well. They had her up on a stage so you could only view her from a distance.

[Chica]

FOUND IT!

http://www.news4jax.com/video/15505198/index.html

thank you so much. Sounds like LE is aware of Mr. Graham.