10/22 thru 11/1

[JoAnn]

http://www.illinoislegalaid.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.dsp_content&contentID=5403
Specific requirements must be met if you are given bond:

Come to all of your court dates;
Obey court orders;
Stay in Illinois, unless you get permission from the court to leave the state;
Do not commit any more crimes; and
Surrender firearms to the court in certain cases.

The court can also require that you do additional things. If you violate your bond by breaking any of these rules, you will be returned to jail.

Would her bond requirements be made public? and if she is now out she will probably try to get Jennifer out now. How sad to be away from your young child, but she should have done some heavy thinking about her family before she made the decision to lie in a criminal murder investigation, guess that goes for both mother and daughter.

[corbi77]

I just was reading and catching up on the Pantagraph comment section, and someone had said the other day, they feel they must have a pretty weak case against the Harris brothers, if they need the testimony of these women to seal it.
I agree to this somewhat, or else why would they have them on such high bonds? They must really need them to testify. If they had concrete evidence from the scene, then why need these women so bad?
I still feel there is much more to this than the Harris's. I am afraid that what ever they have found could "fit" to nail them, for a quick solve, instead of digging deeper for what and who is really behind it.
Rick was not working, yet supporting a stay at home wife, and 4 children, he had to be making money some how. Both the brothers were working and supporting their families, life was good. I just can't see why they would throw that all out the window to do this. What did they have to gain by it? When Chris left Nicoles to go to his brothers, it was to let "her" cool off, not him. He is a laid back type person, apparently, so just can't see a rage from within to do this. They had everything including their own families and future to loose and nothing to gain by this.
I feel this has to do with a bigger circle of drugs, not because Rick may have been upset that Nicole was getting back with Chris. I just can not fathom the boys being involved and no, I do not even know them, so it is not denial. It still just does not add up to me.

[janesdeaan]

She wasn't denied counsel. She evidently was not found to be indigent, and that she has resources to pay for an attorney, instead of the taxpayers paying for her attorney. So, she can hire counsel, she just doesn't get a public defender.



A Public Defender must be appointed by a judge on your first court date. You cannot get a Public Defender before your first court date. To have a public defender appointed, go to court on your court date and kindly ask the Judge to appoint a lawyer for you.

http://www.illinoislegalaid.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.dsp_content&contentID=5403

[GentleBreeze]

I just was reading and catching up on the Pantagraph comment section, and someone had said the other day, they feel they must have a pretty weak case against the Harris brothers, if they need the testimony of these women to seal it.
I agree to this somewhat, or else why would they have them on such high bonds? They must really need them to testify. If they had concrete evidence from the scene, then why need these women so bad?
I still feel there is much more to this than the Harris's. I am afraid that what ever they have found could "fit" to nail them, for a quick solve, instead of digging deeper for what and who is really behind it.
Rick was not working, yet supporting a stay at home wife, and 4 children, he had to be making money some how. Both the brothers were working and supporting their families, life was good. I just can't see why they would throw that all out the window to do this. What did they have to gain by it? When Chris left Nicoles to go to his brothers, it was to let "her" cool off, not him. He is a laid back type person, apparently, so just can't see a rage from within to do this. They had everything including their own families and future to loose and nothing to gain by this.
I feel this has to do with a bigger circle of drugs, not because Rick may have been upset that Nicole was getting back with Chris. I just can not fathom the boys being involved and no, I do not even know them, so it is not denial. It still just does not add up to me.

I do not think that shows they have a weak case at all. Maybe the commenter on the other site is hoping they do have a weak case. Never can tell what the agendas are when people post anonymously.

It is very very common to have witnesses like Jennifer and Sara testify in cases. I am watching the Newsom/Christian trial on line today and all this week witnesses who knew the defendants have testified to what they knew and what they saw and what statements they made when the murders occurred.

I think the arrests of Jennifer and Sara shows LE is not going to give anyone a pass when they break the law. Giving a murderer a false alibi is a very serious offense imo.

Whether either one of these women testify will be up to them. They cannot be forced to testify. They can always exercise their fifth amendment right not to testify.

Debbie Harris' story about Chris leaving so Nicole could "cool off" never made a lick of sense to me. If she wasn't upset with Chris then why would he leave and go to his brothers? I am not sure Debbie was getting the full story but just a one sided one.

I don't think the past demeanor of defendants is any indicator of what they were when they committed their crimes. We have seen other defendants that were known to be very laid back, meek and easy going do the most horrible murders.

imo

[corbi77]

I agree that Debbie Harris was probably only getting one side of the story. The conflict between Chris and Nicole could have been something as simple as the daughter wanted dessert after not eating her meal and daddy gave it to her anyway. We will probably never know anyway, unless it comes up during trial.

I undertand that people must testify, and yes you are right about it being very wrong to lie to LE, especially in a murder investigation. I just wonder what proof they have that these women were lying, and pray that it is something solid, and not something that could have been taken more than one way, possibly leading to another suspect.

Until we get more information, I will be on the fence about this one. It is just so scary to think that someone else may be out there that could have done this instead of the Harris boys.

[GentleBreeze]

I agree that Debbie Harris was probably only getting one side of the story. The conflict between Chris and Nicole could have been something as simple as the daughter wanted dessert after not eating her meal and daddy gave it to her anyway. We will probably never know anyway, unless it comes up during trial.

I undertand that people must testify, and yes you are right about it being very wrong to lie to LE, especially in a murder investigation. I just wonder what proof they have that these women were lying, and pray that it is something solid, and not something that could have been taken more than one way, possibly leading to another suspect.

Until we get more information, I will be on the fence about this one. It is just so scary to think that someone else may be out there that could have done this instead of the Harris boys.

I really don't even think that these women will be the crux of this case.

To me it was the ISP investigation that immediately engaged with local and other agencies which enabled them to fast track the forensic evidence found in the home and to get the results of some of the forensic evidence back within days so they could arrest the suspect and then with further examination they were also able to arrest the other suspect involved.


imo

[JoAnn]

I just was reading and catching up on the Pantagraph comment section, and someone had said the other day, they feel they must have a pretty weak case against the Harris brothers, if they need the testimony of these women to seal it.
I agree to this somewhat, or else why would they have them on such high bonds? They must really need them to testify. If they had concrete evidence from the scene, then why need these women so bad?
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I agree with a lot of what you said except the weak case part...If the two women LIED during a criminal investigation..no matter what they lied about they should be held accountable. Their LIES may have delayed the arrests or even jeopardized the case sending LE off into a different direction. I don't think the case will hinge upon these womans testimonies for they HAD enough evidence without Jennifer or Sara to make arrests. But they hindered a investigation by lying and they well should have to pay the piper now.

Quite honestly I have wondered from the time of the Harris boys arrests if there was a third person involved..the actual instigator and reason for the massacre, though I guess my theory doesnt hold water since the sherriff made a statement after Jasons arrest that they didnt expect anymore arrests.

I spent an hour last night going thru every single photo at Chris' myspace page and read every single thing he had written, and there was nothing to indicate anything other than a man that was a bit down on his luck, that had gotten a four year scholarship for college and was trying to go to school, do homework and still have a life..everything posted there indicates a gentle easy going guy...But due to his arrest based on forensic evidence...I do believe he was there and I do believe he was involved but I just think there is MORE to this than we all know about..something much darker and sinister and probably connected to buying and selling drugs.

[darcie]

I think that the arrest of Chris Harris BEFORE the others, says something in itself. They had enough to arrest Chris before the other charges on Sara, Jennifer and Jason were even brought.
MOO

[CaliforniaGr]

I think that the arrest of Chris Harris BEFORE the others, says something in itself. They had enough to arrest Chris before the other charges on Sara, Jennifer and Jason were even brought.
MOO

You are 100% right. Chris was arrested and LE was still working to make sure all players involved were questioned properly and their answers compared. That is how the other 3 were connected.

[JoAnn]

I think that the arrest of Chris Harris BEFORE the others, says something in itself. They had enough to arrest Chris before the other charges on Sara, Jennifer and Jason were even brought.
MOO

It would be interesting to know exactly what they had that caused Chris's arrest first and what they had to cause Jasons arrest at a later date., unless of course Chris really was injured there and left blood behind or bloody fingerprints and his fingerprints would be on file from past arrests.. could be something as simple as that, that led to his arrest. Or if he sought treatment at a hospital..they may even have surveilance cameras on people entering and leaving hospital..maybe there is one of him entering a hospital for treatment and if so...the tape may show someone with him? Just a thought.

[IlliniFan]

Beason alibi suspect wants more time; phone, hospital records coming


LINCOLN -- A woman accused of providing a false alibi for one of the Beason murder suspects has asked for time to develop information that may affect her case.

Jennifer Earnest agreed to postpone a bond-reduction hearing Thursday. She is charged with lying to police about Christopher J. Harris, who is accused of murdering Rick and Ruth Gee and three of their children, whose bodies were found Sept. 21. A fourth child, Tabitha, 3, was critically injured during the attack.

Earnest's boyfriend, Jason L. Harris, faces the same counts as his brother. Authorities have not divulged a motive.

In court, defense attorney James Grimaldi said information had become available in the past 24 hours that required time "to explore and develop." Earnest returns to court Oct. 29 for a preliminary hearing.

After the hearing, he declined to explain the information but said "it's something that may help me in defending my client."

~snipped~


http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_175833e0-bf37-11de-840e-001cc4c002e0.html

[GentleBreeze]

Beason alibi suspect wants more time; phone, hospital records coming


LINCOLN -- A woman accused of providing a false alibi for one of the Beason murder suspects has asked for time to develop information that may affect her case.

Jennifer Earnest agreed to postpone a bond-reduction hearing Thursday. She is charged with lying to police about Christopher J. Harris, who is accused of murdering Rick and Ruth Gee and three of their children, whose bodies were found Sept. 21. A fourth child, Tabitha, 3, was critically injured during the attack.

Earnest's boyfriend, Jason L. Harris, faces the same counts as his brother. Authorities have not divulged a motive.

In court, defense attorney James Grimaldi said information had become available in the past 24 hours that required time "to explore and develop." Earnest returns to court Oct. 29 for a preliminary hearing.

After the hearing, he declined to explain the information but said "it's something that may help me in defending my client."

~snipped~


http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_175833e0-bf37-11de-840e-001cc4c002e0.html

This part is interesting.

Several subpoenas for phone and medical records filed in Christopher Harris' case have not been returned, court records indicate.

Prosecutors asked Oct. 8 for information from U.S. Cellular and Motorola on two unidentified cell phones "found in connection with a homicide."

Verizon was asked to supply data on a phone number "posted on Beason killer's MySpace page."

Extensive information and photos were found on Christopher Harris' social networking page by the public and media after his arrest.

The Dr. John Warner Hospital and Rural Health Center in Clinton also received subpoenas for "treatment records of any and all persons treated after 12:01 a.m. Sept. 21 with suspicious, or defensive, or offensive type hands and/or facial injuries."

[CaliforniaGr]

Beason alibi suspect wants more time; phone, hospital records coming


LINCOLN -- A woman accused of providing a false alibi for one of the Beason murder suspects has asked for time to develop information that may affect her case.

Jennifer Earnest agreed to postpone a bond-reduction hearing Thursday. She is charged with lying to police about Christopher J. Harris, who is accused of murdering Rick and Ruth Gee and three of their children, whose bodies were found Sept. 21. A fourth child, Tabitha, 3, was critically injured during the attack.

Earnest's boyfriend, Jason L. Harris, faces the same counts as his brother. Authorities have not divulged a motive.In court, defense attorney James Grimaldi said information had become available in the past 24 hours that required time "to explore and develop." Earnest returns to court Oct. 29 for a preliminary hearing.

After the hearing, he declined to explain the information but said "it's something that may help me in defending my client."

~snipped~


http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_175833e0-bf37-11de-840e-001cc4c002e0.html

Maybe she is starting to "sing"

[JoAnn]

This part is interesting.
SNIPPED

Verizon was asked to supply data on a phone number "posted on Beason killer's MySpace page."

Extensive information and photos were found on Christopher Harris' social networking page by the public and media after his arrest.

The Dr. John Warner Hospital and Rural Health Center in Clinton also received subpoenas for "treatment records of any and all persons treated after 12:01 a.m. Sept. 21 with suspicious, or defensive, or offensive type hands and/or facial injuries."

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wow that narrowed it down..face and hands..what piece of evidence could they have that would narrow the injuries they were looking for, down to face and hands..obviously he had all his fingers...what type of injury would be serious enough to seek medical treatment for that night, but not physically show up only days after the murders?.which takes me to Debbie Harris statement of the "blisters on his hands" from helping a neighbor?

[JoAnn]

This part is interesting.


Verizon was asked to supply data on a phone number "posted on Beason killer's MySpace page."

Extensive information and photos were found on Christopher Harris' social networking page by the public and media after his arrest.

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I have been all over Chris's myspace page and not seen anything at all incriminating (that I know of )..and never a phone number..but I cant gain access to facebook it is private...and the quote doesnt name the social networking site.

Anyone have any idea what they mean?...There are a lot of pics of his old truck at myspace...but no stacks or anything like that..pics are of him cutting wood with chain saw...pics of the truck loaded with wood and things like that..nothing I see to incrimminating...unless the chain saw was important? hmmm there were photos of a off road vehicle, he called it The Warrier...did they travel to the home cross country on The Warrier? Apparantly I am missing something and I just went thru all the photo albums and photos again last night..looking for anything in the backgrounds that I might have missed.. I have to think it is pics of the truck or maybe the off road vehicle???

[IM4Truth]

I have been reading comments on the Pantagraph and someone was referring to Rick as Ray. I know his name is Raymond Gee, however, that poster also said he was arrested last July for a felony. Has anyone ever found that or know what it is about?

[clueless]

I have been reading comments on the Pantagraph and someone was referring to Rick as Ray. I know his name is Raymond Gee, however, that poster also said he was arrested last July for a felony. Has anyone ever found that or know what it is about?

Is it possible they confused the arrest in 1995 as current. It was in JULY of '95. Did you ask them to clarify or where they were getting that info?

[desmom]

Florida woman charged with obstructing justice in Beason case will stay in IL
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_8bb83454-bf57-11de-bcd7-001cc4c002e0.html

A Florida woman charged with obstructing justice in the Beason murder investigation has been released from jail after posting $5,000 bond, but is staying in Illinois.............

On Tuesday, a judge denied a public defender for Duncan. A financial statement filed in court records listed Duncan with $139,000 in liabilities and $105,000 in assets.

[CaliforniaGr]

I have been reading comments on the Pantagraph and someone was referring to Rick as Ray. I know his name is Raymond Gee, however, that poster also said he was arrested last July for a felony. Has anyone ever found that or know what it is about?

The only thing I see from the 2000's, was in 2005 and it was for Parentage Judgment between Raymond Gee and a Donald Cole Jr. and a Paula Gee won the case. Nothing for July 2009

[IM4Truth]

The only thing I see from the 2000's, was in 2005 and it was for Parentage Judgment between Raymond Gee and a Donald Cole Jr. and a Paula Gee won the case. Nothing for July 2009

I think Paula Gee is Rick's ex-wife but not sure of that. This person was very adamant. It was under the article in the Pantagraph about the sister of Sara Duncan trying to get info on her.

[clueless]

Does anyone know what IBI stands for here?

http://www.judici.com/courts/cases/case_history.jsp?court=IL054025J&ocl=IL054025J,2009CF178,IL054025JL2009CF178D1

[JoAnn]

Does any know what IBI stands for here?

http://www.judici.com/courts/cases/case_history.jsp?court=IL054025J&ocl=IL054025J,2009CF178,IL054025JL2009CF178D1

Illinois Bureau of Investigations????

[clueless]

I'm not sure what the IBI stands for here. Illinois Bureau of Investigaion is good possibilty. And yes, you're also correct. Apparently, IBI became part of the ISP back in the 70's.

I still think there are more surprizes to come after the phone records start coming back.

[JoAnn]

Illinois Bureau of Investigations????]]


Question was ...what does IBI mean?

I thought maybe Illinois Bureau of Investigations..but that doesn't fit the legal document it was on.....wonder if it is latin for something..?

[JoAnn]

I'm not sure what the IBI stands for here. Illinois Bureau of Investigaion is good possibilty. And yes, you're also correct. Apparently, IBI became part of the ISP back in the 70's.

I still think there are more surprizes to come after the phone records start coming back.

what do you suspect they might show??

[clueless]

]]


Question was ...what does IBI mean?

I thought maybe Illinois Bureau of Investigations..but that doesn't fit the legal document it was on.....wonder if it is latin for something..?

Illinois State Police - Illinois Bureau of Investigation (merged into the State Police Operations Division in the 1970s)
In the United States of America, it is the state's equivalent to the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The SBIs investigate all manner of cases assigned to them by their state's laws and usually report to the State's Attorney General, and in some cases to the state's Governor.

SBIs exist either independently or within a Department of Public Safety (which is an umbrella agency coordinating and/or controlling the various state level law enforcement agencies) or a State Police force (which is a general law enforcement agency).

The telephone records will tell the obvious of who, when, where and how long these conversations took place.

[AmndaRcknwth]

IBI as used in Jason's case says "IBI filed" so that has nothing to do with IL Bu Inv/now defunct anyways.
(but I don't know what that means)

[CaliforniaGr]

I think Paula Gee is Rick's ex-wife but not sure of that. This person was very adamant. It was under the article in the Pantagraph about the sister of Sara Duncan trying to get info on her.

Yes, I think that is Rick's ex and it looks like there was a question on who was the male parent.

But I don't understand. Who was very adamant and what about? Thanks.

[clueless]

Yes, I think that is Rick's ex and it looks like there was a question on who was the male parent.

But I don't understand. Who was very adamant and what about? Thanks.

IM4 is talking about a person that is posting on Pantagraph's comment section re: supposed allegations of a July 2009 felony charge on Rick. Maybe I'm wrong, unless Rick/Raymond had charges besides Logan Co. (I think someone might have their dates wrong) This person also thinks the Harris Bros. are innocent and goes on about Joseph Duncan (the case in Idaho) being in Effingham, Il in 2005. The person is very adamant.

[CaliforniaGr]

IM4 is talking about a person that is posting on Pantagraph's comment section re: supposed allegations of a July 2009 felony charge on Rick. Maybe I'm wrong, unless Rick/Raymond had charges besides Logan Co. (I think someone might have their dates wrong) This person also thinks the Harris Bros. are innocent and goes on about Joseph Duncan (the case in Idaho) being in Effingham, Il in 2005. The person is very adamant.

Joseph Duncan. He was also accused of the kidnapping and murder 10 years ago of a 10 yo boy about 45 minutes east of me here in Beaumont, California. They caught him for the CA case because of what he did in Idaho.

Don't clobber me!!! Is there something I can read, because I just am not catching now what Joseph Duncan has to do with anything or Effingham, Il. I will read it thought so I don't drive you nuts!!! :rolleyes:

[clueless]

Is there something I can read, because I just am not catching now what Joseph Duncan has to do with anything or Effingham, Il. I will read it thought so I don't drive you nuts!!! :rolleyes:

See above post #20 for where you can find it. The "poster" also stated J.D had property in WA, FL and IL I believe.

[JoAnn]

IBI as used in Jason's case says "IBI filed" so that has nothing to do with IL Bu Inv/now defunct anyways.
(but I don't know what that means)

I found this on IBIS...thought the court document said IBI filed...so it might not be the same thing.


There is a IBIS that is a automated fingerprint system...you scan the fingerprints into the system.

I am pretty sure when I got my ccw permit renewed , I had to be fingerprinted again this year for the renewal and they said after this year I would not have to have it done for my prints would be scanned into the system.

I THINK when they did it, the deputy mentioned IBIS. No more fingerprint ink and cards. This was done on something that looked like a laptop computer, you placed your fingers on the screen and the deputy rolled them just like they used to do with ink. the print appeared on the screen and it beeped if it was not a good print and had to be done over again, it took only seconds and will remain on file indefinitely.


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/23/technology/circuits/23prin.html

I don't really know if this answers the question of what "IBI filed" meant on the court document..but maybe?

[Katherine]

"1B1" relates to sentencing...but it is federal, not state.

[clueless]

"1B1" relates to sentencing...but it is federal, not state.

TY, I found it from your info, but don't ask me to explain it.:huh:

[Amy]

I just was reading and catching up on the Pantagraph comment section, and someone had said the other day, they feel they must have a pretty weak case against the Harris brothers, if they need the testimony of these women to seal it.
I agree to this somewhat, or else why would they have them on such high bonds? They must really need them to testify. If they had concrete evidence from the scene, then why need these women so bad?
I still feel there is much more to this than the Harris's. I am afraid that what ever they have found could "fit" to nail them, for a quick solve, instead of digging deeper for what and who is really behind it.
Rick was not working, yet supporting a stay at home wife, and 4 children, he had to be making money some how. Both the brothers were working and supporting their families, life was good. I just can't see why they would throw that all out the window to do this. What did they have to gain by it? When Chris left Nicoles to go to his brothers, it was to let "her" cool off, not him. He is a laid back type person, apparently, so just can't see a rage from within to do this. They had everything including their own families and future to loose and nothing to gain by this.
I feel this has to do with a bigger circle of drugs, not because Rick may have been upset that Nicole was getting back with Chris. I just can not fathom the boys being involved and no, I do not even know them, so it is not denial. It still just does not add up to me.

Rick was working. It's in the articles in the links from the first days.

[IM4Truth]

http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/IBI

I found this, one of them has something about computers?

[desmom]

I just was reading and catching up on the Pantagraph comment section, and someone had said the other day, they feel they must have a pretty weak case against the Harris brothers, if they need the testimony of these women to seal it.
I agree to this somewhat, or else why would they have them on such high bonds? They must really need them to testify. If they had concrete evidence from the scene, then why need these women so bad?
I still feel there is much more to this than the Harris's. I am afraid that what ever they have found could "fit" to nail them, for a quick solve, instead of digging deeper for what and who is really behind it.
Rick was not working, yet supporting a stay at home wife, and 4 children, he had to be making money some how. Both the brothers were working and supporting their families, life was good. I just can't see why they would throw that all out the window to do this. What did they have to gain by it? When Chris left Nicoles to go to his brothers, it was to let "her" cool off, not him. He is a laid back type person, apparently, so just can't see a rage from within to do this. They had everything including their own families and future to loose and nothing to gain by this.
I feel this has to do with a bigger circle of drugs, not because Rick may have been upset that Nicole was getting back with Chris. I just can not fathom the boys being involved and no, I do not even know them, so it is not denial. It still just does not add up to me.

I have tried to stay updated on this case and am confused by a few things in your post.

Rick was not working? Did I miss something? TIA

Sara and Jennifer's bond was set high because they obstructed an investigation of the murders of 5 people. I do not believe the Harris brothers' arrest was based on what Sara and Jennifer told LE.

jmo

[desmom]

Does anyone know what IBI stands for here?

http://www.judici.com/courts/cases/case_history.jsp?court=IL054025J&ocl=IL054025J,2009CF178,IL054025JL2009CF178D1

Could it have something to do with the "Entry of Appearance Filed by Attorney Steven Skelton. Request for Bill of Particulars Filed. Motion for Discovery Before Trial Filed." on October 13?

:shrug:

[desmom]

Joseph Duncan. He was also accused of the kidnapping and murder 10 years ago of a 10 yo boy about 45 minutes east of me here in Beaumont, California. They caught him for the CA case because of what he did in Idaho.

Don't clobber me!!! Is there something I can read, because I just am not catching now what Joseph Duncan has to do with anything or Effingham, Il. I will read it thought so I don't drive you nuts!!! :rolleyes:


His name comes up in the comments section with this article: http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_19e0cd34-bde8-11de-b059-001cc4c002e0.html?mode=comments

The person feels the Gee Family murders are connected to the murders and kidnapping in Idaho.

jmo

[GentleBreeze]

See above post #20 for where you can find it. The "poster" also stated J.D had property in WA, FL and IL I believe.

That discussing site is hard to read to me for some reason.

But what in the world does Joesph E. Duncan have to do with the Gee family murders? NOT a darn thing! And I kept up with the state and federal case and never heard a word about Duncan owning property of any kind. He spent most of his teenage and adult life in prison. I don't think he was doing real estate ventures in WA,FL and IL. He was still murdering children and absconding from the law when he was first released after 20 years and then went right back to harming children.:shrug:

imo

[corbi77]

Rick was working. It's in the articles in the links from the first days.

I am sorry Amy, you are right, he was working, but was referred to as a struggling contractor. I should have said not working full time. I had gotten the impression, that jobs were few and far in between, for him as he tried to start his own business, and with the economy what it is right now, I can surely understand that.


I also want to throw in here, what I understood that post from the pantagragh poster comparing the Duncan case. I took it she/he meant that Steve Groene is the one that had ties in Il. and Florida, as they thought it looked like him in the background picture with the Gee Task force. If I read it right, Steve Groene was the ex-husband of the woman murdered and father of the children. With Duncan keeping the girl alive and turning himself in, I wonder if they don't think the ex hired Duncan to kill the mother, boyfriend, but get the kids out for the dad to have, but something went wrong. Apparently Steve Groene had a past with drugs also, and is, what I would term as money hungry as he even sued the boyfriends family that was killed. At least this is my how I interpret what the poster was trying to say.

[GentleBreeze]

I am sorry Amy, you are right, he was working, but was referred to as a struggling contractor. I should have said not working full time. I had gotten the impression, that jobs were few and far in between, for him as he tried to start his own business, and with the economy what it is right now, I can surely understand that.


I also want to throw in here, what I understood that post from the pantagragh poster comparing the Duncan case. I took it she/he meant that Steve Groene is the one that had ties in Il. and Florida, as they thought it looked like him in the background picture with the Gee Task force. If I read it right, Steve Groene was the ex-husband of the woman murdered and father of the children. With Duncan keeping the girl alive and turning himself in, I wonder if they don't think the ex hired Duncan to kill the mother, boyfriend, but get the kids out for the dad to have, but something went wrong. Apparently Steve Groene had a past with drugs also, and is, what I would term as money hungry as he even sued the boyfriends family that was killed. At least this is my how I interpret what the poster was trying to say.

There is nothing whatsoever linking Steve Greone to the murders of his ex, her boyfriend and his own children.

I find it highly offensive that anyone would dare say that Steve Greone was a part of that horrid crime. He didn't know JED the serial killer who lived in another state who had killed other children before he made his indelible mark in Idaho. He is a victim who has suffered greatly because of his great losses. He has had to endure not only what happened to his children but he has throat cancer and has had to have several surgeries and treatments.

Greone having property in Florida is a fallacy. He is a poor man and the community built him and Shasta a place to live so he could always be there to support and raise the only child he has left. I certainly doubt they would have done that for Steve Greone if they thought he was connected in anyway to the despicable crimes. The Pantagraph poster's musings are beyond ridiculous and absurd imo.

I just think someone doesn't have enough to do and I really hate to see family members of murdered loved one berated when it is all a bunch of BS.

imo

[corbi77]

I personally have no knowledge of the Duncan case, and am only trying to interpret what the poster was trying to say. I may have read it wrong, or just do not understand it fully.
I hope you don't think those are my feelings, only what I could figure out what the poster was trying to say.

[GentleBreeze]

I personally have no knowledge of the Duncan case, and am only trying to interpret what the poster was trying to say. I may have read it wrong, or just do not understand it fully.
I hope you don't think those are my feelings, only what I could figure out what the poster was trying to say.

No my points are not directed at you, corbi. BUT they certainly are toward the Pantagraph anonymous poster who is saying horrible things that are just not true. There is no factual basis to any of them. None.

Steve Greone never knew this monster or even head of him. Duncan came off the highway that day in Idaho when he was trolling for defenseless children to nab and struck Steve Greone's family. This is what JED had done for years to other unsuspecting victims. Thank God this despicable creature has been behind bars for years now and death cant come soon enough for him, imo.

imo

[clueless]

That discussing site is hard to read to me for some reason.

But what in the world does Joesph E. Duncan have to do with the Gee family murders? NOT a darn thing! And I kept up with the state and federal case and never heard a word about Duncan owning property of any kind. He spent most of his teenage and adult life in prison. I don't think he was doing real estate ventures in WA,FL and IL. He was still murdering children and absconding from the law when he was first released after 20 years and then went right back to harming children.:shrug:

imo


I was just passing on the info to CaliforniaGirl who wanted to read the article. I myself find no connection. I did not follow the JED case.

You do have get thru all the (yuk) on that site and enlarge the print.:rolleyes: I think some people on there just like to "see" themselves talk.

[IlliniFan]

The Pantagraph, 2 others file petition seeking access to records in Beason case

A petition seeking access to court records in the Beason family murder case and search warrants dating back several years in other Logan County court cases was filed Friday by three newspapers, including The Pantagraph.

Springfield media attorney Don Craven filed the lawsuit on behalf of The Pantagraph, The Herald & Review in Decatur and The State Journal-Register in Springfield. Named in the lawsuit are Logan County Circuit Clerk Suzann Maxheimer, who maintains court records, and Sheriff Steve Nichols, who is believed to have retained documents related to searches.

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http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_d9385e5c-c029-11de-bcf3-001cc4c002e0.html

[JoAnn]

The petition seeking to unseal the search warrants, Go get 'em!

http://www.pantagraph.com/app/multimedia/documents/2009/10/beason-petition.pdf

I do suspect them to be in violation and unless future search warrant are sealed by a judge..they are going to have to publicly release them..I see no way out of that for them...

[clueless]

Here's a little more info from SJR stating Gee case in the warrant disclosure:

http://www.sj-r.com/news/x1717105694/Suit-seeks-disclosure-of-search-warrants-in-Gee-murders

In light of “the extraordinary nature of this (Gee) case,” Smith said, it’s not unusual for the warrants to be withheld from the public.

[clueless]

I do suspect them to be in violation and unless future search warrant are sealed by a judge..they are going to have to publicly release them..I see no way out of that for them...

It's late....but just a thought. If they have everyone involved in this case in custody, then why not release the warrants? Unless, of course, there are still other people out there that are involved or there is information that may cause harm to other individual(s)? Can't both sides (D&P) see the warrants and all documention at this point?? Guess not.

[desmom]

It's late....but just a thought. If they have everyone involved in this case in custody, then why not release the warrants? Unless, of course, there are still other people out there that are involved or there is information that may cause harm to other individual(s)? Can't both sides (D&P) see the warrants and all documention at this point?? Guess not.

I think the defense will be able to access the evidence at the Oct. 28 preliminary hearings...I think.

[IM4Truth]

I think the defense will be able to access the evidence at the Oct. 28 preliminary hearings...I think.

IMO the defense is the only ones who should have access to this information. I do support transparency in government in some areas but it is ridiculous in criminal cases. It only jeopardizes a fair trial for the accused. The public doesn't need to know any of this, although we crave it! That is how accused get tried and convicted by media and public before trial. Enough gossip, and truths I must add, do come out from family and friends in cases like this. I want to know WHO and WHY too as quickly as possible. But I don't think anyone's freedom should be jeopardized by intruding on in investigation that should only be privvy to the prosecution and the defense. Can you tell I live where the Sunshine Laws prevail? Look at the chaos that has come on the Casey Anthony case alone.

[IM4Truth]

From this link: http://www.lincolncourier.com/news/x1287754171/Woman-held-in-Gee-case-posts-bond?popular=true

What do you supposes this means?

" He said there are multiple factors that prevent Earnest from posting bond."

Since her mother posted bond, why couldn't Jennifer? If someone is out on bond (Sara), maybe she can't post bond for her daughter who was arrested in cahoots with her? Strange that anything could prevent Jennifer from bonding out and Sara could.

Wait, editing to add, is there other family members of the Harris brothers that could be of threat to Jennifer if she got out???

[desmom]

IMO the defense is the only ones who should have access to this information. I do support transparency in government in some areas but it is ridiculous in criminal cases. It only jeopardizes a fair trial for the accused. The public doesn't need to know any of this, although we crave it! That is how accused get tried and convicted by media and public before trial. Enough gossip, and truths I must add, do come out from family and friends in cases like this. I want to know WHO and WHY too as quickly as possible. But I don't think anyone's freedom should be jeopardized by intruding on in investigation that should only be privvy to the prosecution and the defense. Can you tell I live where the Sunshine Laws prevail? Look at the chaos that has come on the Casey Anthony case alone.

I agree. As much as I like reading the doc dumps in Casey's case, I do question how the dumps will taint a jury pool.

I also would like to see a gag order be an automatic on all parties involved in criminal trials. An attorney doing a national or local interview claiming their client is innocent or a prosecution attorney making statements about a defendant or either one twisting facts does nothing but add to the public opinion before trial.

Many feel the public has the right to know all the ins and outs of an investigation. As much as I would like to know, I realize it could also hinder an investigation, cause additional issues in the legal side of the case or make it difficult to seat a jury.

Too many high profile cases are being tried in the media before trial. IMO, it is not fair to the victim, the victim's family or the defendant.

jmo

[desmom]

From this link: http://www.lincolncourier.com/news/x1287754171/Woman-held-in-Gee-case-posts-bond?popular=true

What do you supposes this means?

" He said there are multiple factors that prevent Earnest from posting bond."

Since her mother posted bond, why couldn't Jennifer? If someone is out on bond (Sara), maybe she can't post bond for her daughter who was arrested in cahoots with her? Strange that anything could prevent Jennifer from bonding out and Sara could.

Wait, editing to add, is there other family members of the Harris brothers that could be of threat to Jennifer if she got out???

BBM - It does seem like there would be some type of rule or regulation that would prevent one defendant from bailing out another defendant when they are charged with crimes that are connected. (Did that make sense LOL)

Maybe there are 5,000 multiple factors why Jennifer cannot post the $5,000 bail. I do not of any young people Jennifer's age that could raise $5,000 in this economy.

jmo

[corbi77]

BBM - It does seem like there would be some type of rule or regulation that would prevent one defendant from bailing out another defendant when they are charged with crimes that are connected. (Did that make sense LOL)

Maybe there are 5,000 multiple factors why Jennifer cannot post the $5,000 bail. I do not of any young people Jennifer's age that could raise $5,000 in this economy.

jmo

I wonder if what money Jennifer could have in savings or put back is going for the welfare of her child right now, and in taking that would be taking from the child. Whether she is in or out, that money would be needed to care for the child.

[JoAnn]

From this link: http://www.lincolncourier.com/news/x1287754171/Woman-held-in-Gee-case-posts-bond?popular=true

What do you supposes this means?

" He said there are multiple factors that prevent Earnest from posting bond."

Since her mother posted bond, why couldn't Jennifer? If someone is out on bond (Sara), maybe she can't post bond for her daughter who was arrested in cahoots with her? Strange that anything could prevent Jennifer from bonding out and Sara could.

Wait, editing to add, is there other family members of the Harris brothers that could be of threat to Jennifer if she got out???

IMO Well obviously money could be a issue..but fear of her OWN safety could be another if she has knowledge of something that could implicate maybe a third person that is loose on the outside.? or maybe threats have been made against her and she is safer in jail then on the outside?...any or all of those could be a possible reason...

[GentleBreeze]

I think the defense will be able to access the evidence at the Oct. 28 preliminary hearings...I think.

He will only see evidence that the DA presents in the PH which is usually minimal.

I don't think the defense attorney is going to learn much then.

imo

[CaliforniaGr]

It's late....but just a thought. If they have everyone involved in this case in custody, then why not release the warrants? Unless, of course, there are still other people out there that are involved or there is information that may cause harm to other individual(s)? Can't both sides (D&P) see the warrants and all documention at this point?? Guess not.

This is a thought I have also. LE is just sitting back waiting and watching.

[JoAnn]

This is a thought I have also. LE is just sitting back waiting and watching.

ditto on that feeling

[IM4Truth]

This is a thought I have also. LE is just sitting back waiting and watching.

Do you think LE is just sitting back waiting, and watching for someone else and the statement that they didn't expect any more arrests in the case was just a smokescreen then?

[Katherine]

This is a thought I have also. LE is just sitting back waiting and watching.

I have that feeling too. Unfortunately, I have nothing to back it up. :confused: Maybe it seems that way as we have no information and our minds are creating scenarios. Logan County and its neighbor Sangamon County are famous for not releasing the search warrants. That being said, I do wonder if there are more people involved and that is why they are adamant about not releasing the information yet. Not necessarily more people responsible for the murders, but maybe for the situation that led up to the crimes.

[JoAnn]

Do you think LE is just sitting back waiting, and watching for someone else and the statement that they didn't expect any more arrests in the case was just a smokescreen then?

maybe not exactly a smokescreen..but maybe they have since then or were currently still developing and processing info...plus who knows what statements have been made by any of the four since their arrests before attorneys got hold of them and told them to not talk.

I think this case is extremely complex and has many outlaying tentacles that we are unaware of and have no way to gain knowledge of..and that is as it really should be for a thorough complete investigation....but that doesn't help us in our quest to know the truth and to know what happened and why..

[corbi77]

I just read in the Pantagraph that the Rick Gee family wrote a letter to the editor giving thanks to everyone. A very nice letter, also thanking all those that are working so hard to bring justice to the family. I believe it was signed by Rick's mom.
I do believe this investigation is very much on going and that there is going to be more to come out.

[JoAnn]

I just read in the Pantagraph that the Rick Gee family wrote a letter to the editor giving thanks to everyone. A very nice letter, also thanking all those that are working so hard to bring justice to the family. I believe it was signed by Rick's mom.
I do believe this investigation is very much on going and that there is going to be more to come out.

Ditto on that

[AmndaRcknwth]

I just read in the Pantagraph that the Rick Gee family wrote a letter to the editor giving thanks to everyone. A very nice letter, also thanking all those that are working so hard to bring justice to the family. I believe it was signed by Rick's mom.
I do believe this investigation is very much on going and that there is going to be more to come out.


http://pantagraph.com/news/opinion/mailbag/article_a03eafa8-c019-11de-b4e9-001cc4c03286.html?mode=story

Relatives of the Rick Gee family wish to thank the many individuals from the various communities who volunteered their time, their food, their money and their kindnesses.

We appreciate the hard work of the Fricke-Calvert-Schrader funeral home, the dedication of the Peoria hospital personnel, the baby's special 24-hr friends and those whose countless efforts are working diligently to bring legal justice for our loved ones.

Further, we would like to thank the many people who are sending monetary gifts through the fund established by the United Methodist Church of Lincoln. Additionally, a "Gee Family Memorial Fund" has been set up through the CEFCU banking system.

Judi Koehler, Lincoln

[CaliforniaGr]

Do you think LE is just sitting back waiting, and watching for someone else and the statement that they didn't expect any more arrests in the case was just a smokescreen then?

Could be. As people have stated several times on this post we just don't have enough info. Actually, no info. I have never seen anything like this where not even a few tidbits were leaked out. I was thinking that all they players have been threatened with obstruction if anyone said anything. Even the neighbors are not talking. Now, I may be reading too much into that thought. But I have never seen anything like this.

I am still interested in Russell Miller, who saw Rick at the store so gave a timeline as to the last time Rick was seen and Russell has the same last name as Gerald, Ruth's ex. Don't really know why but another aspect I just find very interesting.

[IM4Truth]

Could be. As people have stated several times on this post we just don't have enough info. Actually, no info. I have never seen anything like this where not even a few tidbits were leaked out. I was thinking that all they players have been threatened with obstruction if anyone said anything. Even the neighbors are not talking. Now, I may be reading too much into that thought. But I have never seen anything like this.

I am still interested in Russell Miller, who saw Rick at the store so gave a timeline as to the last time Rick was seen and Russell has the same last name as Gerald, Ruth's ex. Don't really know why but another aspect I just find very interesting.

I noticed that one time when they were covering this on HLN that a neighbor said LE told him not to talk and he wasn't. Could have been out of fear or loyalty or a little of both. I also find it very interesting that Nancy Grace has not been all over the case with the 2 little girls remaining. I think Logan County must have absolutely denied to work with her. But couldn't she have sent her producers out to speak to the residents of Beason? Something is strange about that. Small town, yes, but those 2 little victims remaining, what's up with Nancy Grace on this anyway?

[IM4Truth]

I am still interested in Russell Miller, who saw Rick at the store so gave a timeline as to the last time Rick was seen and Russell has the same last name as Gerald, Ruth's ex. Don't really know why but another aspect I just find very interesting.

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I don't put much into that. I went to school with some Miller girls there in town and I don't even recognize these two guys names. Was it ever clarified that Russell Miller was the last one to see Rick that night when he went out for groceries?

[CaliforniaGr]

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I don't put much into that. I went to school with some Miller girls there in town and I don't even recognize these two guys names. Was it ever clarified that Russell Miller was the last one to see Rick that night when he went out for groceries?

Yes. There was an article, which I have no idea in the world where it is but I will look for it, that said he, Russell a family friend of the Gee's, saw Rick at the store on Sunday when he went to buy some groceries. It was posted quite a lot on this site.

[CaliforniaGr]

I noticed that one time when they were covering this on HLN that a neighbor said LE told him not to talk and he wasn't. Could have been out of fear or loyalty or a little of both. I also find it very interesting that Nancy Grace has not been all over the case with the 2 little girls remaining. I think Logan County must have absolutely denied to work with her. But couldn't she have sent her producers out to speak to the residents of Beason? Something is strange about that. Small town, yes, but those 2 little victims remaining, what's up with Nancy Grace on this anyway?

I believe that also. No talking because of maybe a small town and they are tight and do what is asked of them. That wouldn't happen here, I can tell you. People would be blabbing all over the place. TV, magazines, news reports. They don't care. They try them in the media out here. It could also be the fear aspect since it seems to me the locals know the players in this murder and have heard "inside info." I too am surprised Nancy Grace has not been all over this. And again I think you are correct that LE has just plain refused to speak with her and her staff.

[JoAnn]

Yes. There was an article, which I have no idea in the world where it is but I will look for it, that said he, Russell a family friend of the Gee's, saw Rick at the store on Sunday when he went to buy some groceries. It was posted quite a lot on this site.

I posted a link to it a while ago, but it didn't actually say he saw him at the store, but on his way to the store..which probably doesn't matter one way or the other, and it didn't actually make it clear if Rick was on his way to the store or if Russell was on his way to the store and saw Rick..
but probably no significance as to who was going..just the fact that Russell was one of the last to see him before it happened and it helped to establish a time line I would imagine.

[CaliforniaGr]

I posted a link to it a while ago, but it didn't actually say he saw him at the store, but on his way to the store..which probably doesn't matter one way or the other, and it didn't actually make it clear if Rick was on his way to the store or if Russell was on his way to the store and saw Rick..
but probably no significance as to who was going..just the fact that Russell was one of the last to see him before it happened and it helped to establish a time line I would imagine.

Oh see, I am confused then. What else is new? I thought it said he saw him at the store. But as you say, no never mind, it still sets a timeline.

[clueless]

Could be. As people have stated several times on this post we just don't have enough info. Actually, no info. I have never seen anything like this where not even a few tidbits were leaked out. I was thinking that all they players have been threatened with obstruction if anyone said anything. Even the neighbors are not talking. Now, I may be reading too much into that thought. But I have never seen anything like this.

I am still interested in Russell Miller, who saw Rick at the store so gave a timeline as to the last time Rick was seen and Russell has the same last name as Gerald, Ruth's ex. Don't really know why but another aspect I just find very interesting.

In all cultural aspects of society there is a underground faction. Always has been and always will be, whether that be the government that you live under, the organization that you work for, the religion you believe in, the town you live in.....on down the line.

[happygert]

From this link: http://www.lincolncourier.com/news/x1287754171/Woman-held-in-Gee-case-posts-bond?popular=true

What do you supposes this means?

" He said there are multiple factors that prevent Earnest from posting bond."

Since her mother posted bond, why couldn't Jennifer? If someone is out on bond (Sara), maybe she can't post bond for her daughter who was arrested in cahoots with her? Strange that anything could prevent Jennifer from bonding out and Sara could.

Wait, editing to add, is there other family members of the Harris brothers that could be of threat to Jennifer if she got out???

What threat would that be? Why would there be a threat? After all when Jennifer was arrested where do you think Olivia went?

[happygert]

There is much more to this case. Then the Harris boys. IMO it was drug related. Also right after the murders there was someone that went in to a business that had scratch marks all over face, neck and arms. wonder if they checked him out. yes he knew the Gees very well. Has has several orders of protection against him and even against his own parents. and No it wasn't Rick's half brother.

If Logan County has nothing to hide in these search warrants why hasn't any been released? What did they tell who ever to get these warrants. They have not released any in 9 years. sounds a little fishy to me. BUT hey Logan county can do what they want when they want and to whom they want.. No explanation needed.. Kind of reminds me of the Anthony's..


As far as Jennifer goes maybe she is safer in Jail. But then again who's she safer from? Whats she afraid of? The real KILLER? That would be my guess.

Several people was involved the with the Bob murder one person doing time while others are still walking the streets. One had blood in her car and house that was Brian's but hey Nichols got an arrest in that that's all that matters. guess it doesnt matter who all was invloved in the actual murder .well at least one is sitting in prison for that but what was his role? BTW Brian's throat was slit and it was over drugs.

So it really doenst matter if Chris and Jason did not do the crime cause they do the time even if it was someone else's crime. so then about another 5 or 6 years there will be another one..JMHO.

[CaliforniaGr]

[QUOTE=happygert;13587521]There is much more to this case. Then the Harris boys. IMO it was drug related. Also right after the murders there was someone that went in to a business that had scratch marks all over face, neck and arms. wonder if they checked him out. yes he knew the Gees very well. Has has several orders of protection against him and even against his own parents. and No it wasn't Rick's half brother.

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Wow!! A guy went into a store with scratches all over him? How bad were these scratches? Is there more information on this? Why didn't someone in the store report this since that was announced on the news --to be on the lookout for someone with injuries. Or someone in town, since it is a small town I am sure others knew him and saw him.

The news about the truck and looking for anyone with scratches even hit the West Coast. Guess they figured the murderers could have driven anywhere within three days. It does sound like possible drug involvement. I am not familiar with the other murder you are speaking of so I will have to find that info if I can.

[JoAnn]

What threat would that be? Why would there be a threat? After all when Jennifer was arrested where do you think Olivia went?

I would think if there were a threat to Jennifer it would be from the Gee side not the Harris side. But Gert..so many names in this case...I am sorry I am not up on all the names...who is Olivia? Is that Rick or Ruths mom?

[GentleBreeze]

There is much more to this case. Then the Harris boys. IMO it was drug related. Also right after the murders there was someone that went in to a business that had scratch marks all over face, neck and arms. wonder if they checked him out. yes he knew the Gees very well. Has has several orders of protection against him and even against his own parents. and No it wasn't Rick's half brother.

If Logan County has nothing to hide in these search warrants why hasn't any been released? What did they tell who ever to get these warrants. They have not released any in 9 years. sounds a little fishy to me. BUT hey Logan county can do what they want when they want and to whom they want.. No explanation needed.. Kind of reminds me of the Anthony's..


As far as Jennifer goes maybe she is safer in Jail. But then again who's she safer from? Whats she afraid of? The real KILLER? That would be my guess.

Several people was involved the with the Bob murder one person doing time while others are still walking the streets. One had blood in her car and house that was Brian's but hey Nichols got an arrest in that that's all that matters. guess it doesn't matter who all was involved in the actual murder .well at least one is sitting in prison for that but what was his role? BTW Brian's throat was slit and it was over drugs.

So it really doenst matter if Chris and Jason did not do the crime cause they do the time even if it was someone else's crime. so then about another 5 or 6 years there will be another one..JMHO.

BBM

Gert I do understand and respect your opinion on this case but it does leave me totally confused.

Are you saying that this is some grand conspiracy between the local police and Illinois State Police and other involved agencies?:confused:

Nichols immediately notified the ISP at 4:30 pm, September 21st, the day the bodies were discovered. ISP converged at the crime scene from various parts of the state. THEY are the ones that forensically collected and tested the results and will continue to conducts forensic tests on other evidence they collected not the local police.

I think Nichols needs to be commended for knowing this case was much more than his county good handle. He reached out for help right away. Imo, he was seeking justice for the mass murders of the Gee family.

In many many other cases right on this site search warrants have been sealed so it is not uncommon in a murder case. What is uncommon for Logan County is it seems they never unseal them even after a trial has been held. I hope that changes and it will be up to the presiding Judge to make that call. Often times search warrants are sealed due to an ongoing investigation or in the detective's affidavit attached to the search warrant may reveal evidence that the DA doesn't want disclosed until trial or at least until a preliminary hearing.

In a town this tiny if others know about the guy with scratches I have no doubt LE does too and has interviewed that person.

When the crime scene is so bloody it bodes well for LE many times as much is left behind that can point to the killer or killers and I think this case is going to be filled with forensic evidence and other circumstantial evidence.

I just don't see a conspiracy in this case and so many agencies would have to be involved. It is just not logical that each agency would do such a thing.

Of course it will matter who did these crimes. 12 people will sit in judgment in both of these cases and it will have to be proved beyond a reasonable doubt. Trials are held in an open courtroom and is public to those who want to come in and hear the testimony.

imo

[Katherine]

I would think if there were a threat to Jennifer it would be from the Gee side not the Harris side. But Gert..so many names in this case...I am sorry I am not up on all the names...who is Olivia? Is that Rick or Ruths mom?

Olivia is Jason and Jennifer's daughter.

[JoAnn]

Olivia is Jason and Jennifer's daughter.

I totally did not know that..thank you

[IM4Truth]

What threat would that be? Why would there be a threat? After all when Jennifer was arrested where do you think Olivia went?

I don't know where Olivia went, I have asked that numerous times on the Pantagraph blog and I think I asked it here. No one has answered me that I know of.

I was just pondering over why Jennifer couldn't get out when her mother could. My thoughts were that if she got out, IF this was a big drug deal, her safety would be in jeopardy.

(BTW I thought we were friends)

[JoAnn]

I do have a question though...the one article mentioned that a phone number and photos had been found on Chris's social networking site...does anyone have any idea what the phone number was about?

I never saw a phone number anywhere on his myspace site..but may go back and look thru everything again...I might have missed it when I viewed it in the full version verses the lite version at myspace.

I was never able to access anything at facebook everything just said private and there was no access even if you were a facebook member.

But I doubt anything has been removed or else the whole site would have simply been taken down and closed or made private.. so I assume what we see right now..is what has always been there.

Anyone know?

[IM4Truth]

There is much more to this case. Then the Harris boys. IMO it was drug related. Also right after the murders there was someone that went in to a business that had scratch marks all over face, neck and arms. wonder if they checked him out. yes he knew the Gees very well. Has has several orders of protection against him and even against his own parents. and No it wasn't Rick's half brother.

If Logan County has nothing to hide in these search warrants why hasn't any been released? What did they tell who ever to get these warrants. They have not released any in 9 years. sounds a little fishy to me. BUT hey Logan county can do what they want when they want and to whom they want.. No explanation needed.. Kind of reminds me of the Anthony's..


As far as Jennifer goes maybe she is safer in Jail. But then again who's she safer from? Whats she afraid of? The real KILLER? That would be my guess.

Several people was involved the with the Bob murder one person doing time while others are still walking the streets. One had blood in her car and house that was Brian's but hey Nichols got an arrest in that that's all that matters. guess it doesnt matter who all was invloved in the actual murder .well at least one is sitting in prison for that but what was his role? BTW Brian's throat was slit and it was over drugs.

So it really doenst matter if Chris and Jason did not do the crime cause they do the time even if it was someone else's crime. so then about another 5 or 6 years there will be another one..JMHO.

I remember you telling me about that guy with the scratches way back when it happened. What I thought was strange was that the person who saw this scratched up person, called his mother, not the police. Were the police ever called? Was the person who saw him ever questioned by police? To be honest with you, I can't even remember who you told me that person was that was all scratched up.

I'm not familiar with the Bob murders either, but to this day I don't think Mike Drabing worked alone in killing the Schneider family either. JMO.

[CaliforniaGr]

I would think if there were a threat to Jennifer it would be from the Gee side not the Harris side. But Gert..so many names in this case...I am sorry I am not up on all the names...who is Olivia? Is that Rick or Ruths mom?

You are not kidding about names. BTW who is Rick's half-brother that was mentioned?

[IM4Truth]

I do have a question though...the one article mentioned that a phone number and photos had been found on Chris's social networking site...does anyone have any idea what the phone number was about?

I never saw a phone number anywhere on his myspace site..but may go back and look thru everything again...I might have missed it when I viewed it in the full version verses the lite version at myspace.

I was never able to access anything at facebook everything just said private and there was no access even if you were a facebook member.

But I doubt anything has been removed or else the whole site would have simply been taken down and closed or made private.. so I assume what we see right now..is what has always been there.

Anyone know?

I went back and looked at myspace too and do not find any phone numbers. Maybe it is listed as a contact number and LE got it from myspace? I think it's eerie that one is his friends commented on one of his photos that he looks like a serial killer.

[AmndaRcknwth]

I don't know where Olivia went, I have asked that numerous times on the Pantagraph blog and I think I asked it here. No one has answered me that I know of.

I was just pondering over why Jennifer couldn't get out when her mother could. My thoughts were that if she got out, IF this was a big drug deal, her safety would be in jeopardy.

(BTW I thought we were friends)

My guess is that Olivia is with Debbie and Ed Harris.
Total guess, though... but it would make sense.
(They are Jason and Chris' father and stepmom)

[Katherine]

My guess is that Olivia is with Debbie and Ed Harris.
Total guess, though... but it would make sense.
(They are Jason and Chris' father and stepmom)

I think you are probably right about that. I assume DCFS took custody of Olivia, and relatives are always considered first for placement. As long as they had no criminal history or DCFS history that would prevent this placement, Olivia would go home with them.

[Katherine]

I do have a question though...the one article mentioned that a phone number and photos had been found on Chris's social networking site...does anyone have any idea what the phone number was about?

I never saw a phone number anywhere on his myspace site..but may go back and look thru everything again...I might have missed it when I viewed it in the full version verses the lite version at myspace.

I was never able to access anything at facebook everything just said private and there was no access even if you were a facebook member.

But I doubt anything has been removed or else the whole site would have simply been taken down and closed or made private.. so I assume what we see right now..is what has always been there.

Anyone know?

I looked at the Myspace shortly after his arrest, and when I just checked back, it doesn't look like anything has changed. I am wondering if the information may have been on Facebook, where they ask for contact information. The only thing I can think of is if the number he had posted did not match the phone he had with him when arrested?

[JoAnn]

I don't recall the exact wording on the subpoena, the request for phone records...seems like there are thoughts that it may be 2 cell phones that were dropped at the scene?

But is it possible the cell phone records are just for the phone from the bar (the call that was made by Rick or Jason)...and who that call went to..that persons phone records? which would show who they called and who that person might have called after they hung up?

Or was the bar phone accounted for separately..sorry have not had time to stay right on top of all the postings here..

[desmom]

I don't recall the exact wording on the subpoena, the request for phone records...seems like there are thoughts that it may be 2 cell phones that were dropped at the scene?

But is it possible the cell phone records are just for the phone from the bar (the call that was made by Rick or Jason)...and who that call went to..that persons phone records? which would show who they called and who that person might have called after they hung up?

Or was the bar phone accounted for separately..sorry have not had time to stay right on top of all the postings here..

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_175833e0-bf37-11de-840e-001cc4c002e0.html

Prosecutors asked Oct. 8 for information from U.S. Cellular and Motorola on two unidentified cell phones "found in connection with a homicide."

Verizon was asked to supply data on a phone number "posted on Beason killer's MySpace page."

Extensive information and photos were found on Chris Harris' social networking page by the public and media after his arrest.

[Katherine]

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_175833e0-bf37-11de-840e-001cc4c002e0.html

Prosecutors asked Oct. 8 for information from U.S. Cellular and Motorola on two unidentified cell phones "found in connection with a homicide."

Verizon was asked to supply data on a phone number "posted on Beason killer's MySpace page."

Extensive information and photos were found on Chris Harris' social networking page by the public and media after his arrest.


Could it have possibly been the phone number for a friend of Chris Harris -left on his myspace page?

[m3t00]

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_175833e0-bf37-11de-840e-001cc4c002e0.html

Prosecutors asked Oct. 8 for information from U.S. Cellular and Motorola on two unidentified cell phones "found in connection with a homicide."

Verizon was asked to supply data on a phone number "posted on Beason killer's MySpace page."

Extensive information and photos were found on Chris Harris' social networking page by the public and media after his arrest.

Is the Pantagraph attributing that quote to Verizon? I can't tell who to accuse of jumping to conclusions. Sloppy writing/editing on Pantagraph's part. A responsible journalist would have got more specific details or left it out.

[JoAnn]

Is the Pantagraph attributing that quote to Verizon? I can't tell who to accuse of jumping to conclusions. Sloppy writing/editing on Pantagraph's part. A responsible journalist would have got more specific details or left it out.

good question, and I don't think anyone has been able to answer that as of yet...same questions in my mind when I read that.

[desmom]

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_175833e0-bf37-11de-840e-001cc4c002e0.html
Prosecutors asked Oct. 8 for information from U.S. Cellular and Motorola on two unidentified cell phones "found in connection with a homicide."

U.S. Cellular is the provider and Motorola is the manufacturer of the two unidentified cell phones "found in connection with a homicide"?

Anyone else find it strange the prosecution would want info from Motorola? Are they trying to find the original owner of the phone?

Were the phones found at the crime scene? In the truck? In one of the homes LE searched? In the possession of one of those arrested?

jmo

[corbi77]

Verizon was asked to supply data on a phone number "posted on Beason killer's MySpace page."


The way that is worded, I wonder if it could be referring to Jason's MySpace page instead. I know they had mentioned Chris in the article, but "Beason killer's MySpace page" could be either. Has anyone checked Jason's out to see if there is anything on it?

[corbi77]

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_175833e0-bf37-11de-840e-001cc4c002e0.html
Prosecutors asked Oct. 8 for information from U.S. Cellular and Motorola on two unidentified cell phones "found in connection with a homicide."

U.S. Cellular is the provider and Motorola is the manufacturer of the two unidentified cell phones "found in connection with a homicide"?

Anyone else find it strange the prosecution would want info from Motorola? Are they trying to find the original owner of the phone?

Were the phones found at the crime scene? In the truck? In one of the homes LE searched? In the possession of one of those arrested?

jmo

Interesting thoughts. I had wondered if the cell phones were found in the drive way at the Gee's where all the evidence cones were sitting. Didn't think about the truck or on person. I would think if found on the boys they would have answered that question if asked though, or even in Chris's truck.

[m3t00]

Verizon was asked to supply data on a phone number "posted on Beason killer's MySpace page."


The way that is worded, I wonder if it could be referring to Jason's MySpace page instead. I know they had mentioned Chris in the article, but "Beason killer's MySpace page" could be either. Has anyone checked Jason's out to see if there is anything on it?

I just sent an email to eblunny@pantagraph.com asking for some clarification of all the quotes in that story. I asked nicely so I hope she might actually answer. :unsure:

[IM4Truth]

Verizon was asked to supply data on a phone number "posted on Beason killer's MySpace page."


The way that is worded, I wonder if it could be referring to Jason's MySpace page instead. I know they had mentioned Chris in the article, but "Beason killer's MySpace page" could be either. Has anyone checked Jason's out to see if there is anything on it?

Jason hadn't signed in on myspace since 05/20/2009 and I didn't see any phone numbers there. Hardly anything on his space.

[IM4Truth]

Interesting thoughts. I had wondered if the cell phones were found in the drive way at the Gee's where all the evidence cones were sitting. Didn't think about the truck or on person. I would think if found on the boys they would have answered that question if asked though, or even in Chris's truck.

My thoughts are the phones were in the house. Maybe they wanted to check activity on Rick or Ruth's phones or maybe a phone was dropped by the perp during the chaos.

[corbi77]

I would think they could check voice mails or text messages to get an idea who the phones belonged to. Or, for that matter call their own phone with it to get a number off of it, then do a reverse look up.

If the phone was dead, I would also think amongst all of those involved someone would have a charger to charge it on.

[corbi77]

I am having a hard time seeing how the phone could be tied to Chris, since Nicole called him when the family was found. If he had lost his, and one had been found at the scene I would think that would set off a flag for her. I would think she could recognize his phone too, if they had her look at to see if she could identify it.

Hope you get a response from the Pantagraph..that would help a lot.

[JoAnn]

My thoughts are the phones were in the house. Maybe they wanted to check activity on Rick or Ruth's phones or maybe a phone was dropped by the perp during the chaos.

maybe they were the pay as you go phones...you buy them outright at walmart or some place with minutes programmed in..if that was the case there may not be any owner info.

pretty careless to let two cell phones get away from you if you have just murdered five, almost six people. One phone maybe but now two..so maybe they were just phones in the house belonging to Justina or one of the victims.

[m3t00]

The only place I've read about phones being used anywhere is in the comments section of this Pantagraph story (http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_de6babb4-b80d-11de-b2b4-001cc4c002e0.html?mode=comments).

seriouslyfolks said on: October 13, 2009, 6:28 pm
I know the bartender that worked on 9/20 at Lawndale Tap. He said the Harris brothers came in, of course he had no idea who they were at the time. Anyway, they asked if they could use the bar's telephone. Bartender said it doesn't have long distance, here use my cell phone. They did and a little over a week ago the State police came in and confiscated his phone. It will be interesting to see who they called from his phone.
MooseTracks1028 said on: October 14, 2009, 11:33 am
Jewelz - I'm not sure who Seriouslyfolks is but I do know that the Logan County Sheriff's Dept were up at the bar looking at their surveillance tapes on Wednesday, September 23. This was only two days after they discovered the family and long before Chris and Jason Harris were ever arrested. This bartender is fairly new and only works a couple of days a week, I'm sure he never made the connection. I do know they had police officers at every entrance to Lawndale that night. The police knew who they were looking for about 2 days after the murders.

Interesting if true. If police were able to trace a call made to Rick Gee's phone from the bartender's phone and then they saw the Harris Bros on the tapes. Motorola would be needed to verify phone ID's maybe? Also if this is true, the Harris bros didn't have a cell phone or they didn't want to use their own.

Or, this is just more speculation based on unverified statements. Those two comments do sound sincere to me.

[clueless]

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_175833e0-bf37-11de-840e-001cc4c002e0.html

Prosecutors asked Oct. 8 for information from U.S. Cellular and Motorola on two unidentified cell phones "found in connection with a homicide."

Verizon was asked to supply data on a phone number "posted on Beason killer's MySpace page."

Extensive information and photos were found on Chris Harris' social networking page by the public and media after his arrest.

Subpenas were for (2) to US Cellular and (1) to Verizon. Where are they getting their info re: Motorola, 2 unidentified cell phones "found in connection with a homicide", phone number posted on killer's MySpace?????? Nothing on the subpena request states anything about Motorola. Did they get this info from the subpenas themselves or did LE voluntarily given them the info??? I do not read the phrase "found in connection with a homicide" as they "found the phones", I'm understanding that as found in connectionto the homicides. Seems they would say "found at the scene" if they were truly found there. (Of course this article lacks in clarity)....so.. Could be a tactic to "scare" someone out with info?? Also, if in fact the phones were found at the scene and they belonged to either Harris, they didn't stick around to clean up there only to take off like a bat out of ...... and lose their phones. Hope you can understand what I'm trying to say here.

[clueless]

The only place I've read about phones being used anywhere is in the comments section of this Pantagraph story (http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_de6babb4-b80d-11de-b2b4-001cc4c002e0.html?mode=comments).




Interesting if true. If police were able to trace a call made to Rick Gee's phone from the bartender's phone and then they saw the Harris Bros on the tapes. Motorola would be needed to verify phone ID's maybe? Also if this is true, the Harris bros didn't have a cell phone or they didn't want to use their own. Also, they can track those pay as you go phones. Little harder I think, but they can.

Or, this is just more speculation based on unverified statements. Those two comments do sound sincere to me.

I had read this. Yes it is interesting and I too think there is something in it. If LE took a look at Rick's cell phone and saw that number listed the night of the 20th....could be the reason they confiscated bartender's phone. Sure seems funny that neither one of them had a cell phone in their possession in this day of age.

[m3t00]

Subpenas were for (2) to US Cellular and (1) to Verizon. Where are they getting their info re: Motorola, 2 unidentified cell phones "found in connection with a homicide", phone number posted on killer's MySpace?????? Nothing on the subpena request states anything about Motorola. Did they get this info from the subpenas themselves or did LE voluntarily given them the info??? I do not read the phrase "found in connection with a homicide" as they "found the phones", I'm understanding that as found in connectionto the homicides. Seems they would say "found at the scene" if they were truly found there. (Of course this article lacks in clarity)....so.. Could be a tactic to "scare" someone out with info?? Also, if in fact the phones were found at the scene and they belonged to either Harris, they didn't stick around to clean up there only to take off like a bat out of ...... and lose their phones. Hope you can understand what I'm trying to say here.

In general police use phone records to see who was in contact with everyone involved so they can interview the whole circle of contacts and get more clues as to what lead up to 5 people being murdered. This didn't happen in a vacuum and the circumstances and motives must surely be know to someone other than Harris bros and the Gees. Jennifer Earnest, Sara Duncan, Harris bros and the Gees all may have had phones. I'm not surprised police want the records.
Pantagraph is guilty of sloppy journalism so I can't really read very much into the way they reported that. I think they looked at the same judici info we have and wrote those statements with their own interpretation that there were 2 phones.:sad:

[corbi77]

It could be they did have their phones with them at that bar, but couldn't get reception too. I know a lot of people that have trouble in that area getting reception off their phones.

Debbie Harris talked in one of her interviews how Nicole called Chris about the family and he rushed to her and stayed with her the whole time. So Chris surely had his phone for Nicole to reach him on it.

[clueless]

.

snipped:
I think they looked at the same judici info we have and wrote those statements with their own interpretation that there were 2 phones.:sad:

Can't be. Judici does not mention Motorola. How does Pantagraph surmise re: the phone on the website?

[Amy]

It could be they did have their phones with them at that bar, but couldn't get reception too. I know a lot of people that have trouble in that area getting reception off their phones.

Debbie Harris talked in one of her interviews how Nicole called Chris about the family and he rushed to her and stayed with her the whole time. So Chris surely had his phone for Nicole to reach him on it.

She could have reached him on a land line @ his brother's house, or Debbie's house. I don't think Debbie specified where he was when Nicole called him (such as, in a house where there could be a landline, or while he was in a vehicle where it would have to be a cell phone.)

[clueless]

She could have reached him on a land line @ his brother's house, or Debbie's house. I don't think Debbie specified where he was when Nicole called him (such as, in a house where there could be a landline, or while he was in a vehicle where it would have to be a cell phone.)

Some people have more than one cell phone. Known fact that people dealing in drugs often have mulitiple phones. Not saying they were. Just plausible to have more than one. Look at the Anthony case. Is it possible for Jason or Chris's cell not to be able to get through, but the cell phone of the bartender's can?

[m3t00]

Can't be. Judici does not mention Motorola. How does Pantagraph surmise re: the phone on the website?

Hmm, yeah it does seem like they have better sources than us. I wish they knew how to write clearly.:w00t: Could be they are trying to be vague on purpose instead of saying 'anonymous source in the prosecutors office'. Anyway I sent the reporter an email so maybe if more people ask her to explain a few of these things we might get an answer or she might try a little harder. Hope this week we finally get some clue about motive.

[corbi77]

Some people have more than one cell phone. Known fact that people dealing in drugs often have mulitiple phones. Not saying they were. Just plausible to have more than one. Look at the Anthony case. Is it possible for Jason or Chris's cell not to be able to get through, but the cell phone of the bartender's can?

Yes it is possible the bar phone can reach where theirs won't. Depends on where your service is out of, also different name brands reach some places better than others. Nextel was bad for having areas with no reception, yet AT&T would.

[m3t00]

There should be more details available if you go to the Logan county courthouse and know what to ask for. Judici stuff is hyper-summarized. The warrants we know aren't public yet but what about subpoenas? Anybody know? Anyone live near there who can take decent notes? :laugh:

[JoAnn]

Hmm, yeah it does seem like they have better sources than us. I wish they knew how to write clearly.:w00t: Could be they are trying to be vague on purpose instead of saying 'anonymous source in the prosecutors office'. Anyway I sent the reporter an email so maybe if more people ask her to explain a few of these things we might get an answer or she might try a little harder. Hope this week we finally get some clue about motive.

good idea on the note to the reporter!

[CaliforniaGr]

I'd still like to know who he is. HappyGert made a reference to him today. Does anyone know?

[TennB]

I'd still like to know who he is. HappyGert made a reference to him today. Does anyone know?

Rick doesn't have a half brother. He may have step siblings, but he was an only child. My brother had no other children and Rick's mother has no other biological children. HappyGert was mistaken.

[clueless]

I'd still like to know who he is. HappyGert made a reference to him today. Does anyone know?

If its his half brother, wonder if it's Gee Or Brown.
Don't know the facts but Rick was a Brown and then change his name to Gee. Here we go with more names again.


Well that settles that. Thank you TennB.

[TennB]

If its his half brother, wonder if it's Gee Or Brown.
Don't know the facts but Rick was a Brown and then change his name to Gee. Here we go with more names again.

Rick was born a Gee. When his mother re-married, he went by Brown for a while as a child. When he was old enough to decide for himself, he went back to using the Gee name.

[CaliforniaGr]

Rick was born a Gee. When his mother re-married, he went by Brown for a while as a child. When he was old enough to decide for himself, he went back to using the Gee name.

Thanks TennB. You helped!!

[TennB]

Thanks TennB. You helped!!

Glad to be of service. There isn't much about this case that I can help with, but I do know about this.

[Katherine]

Glad to be of service. There isn't much about this case that I can help with, but I do know about this.


Thanks for the information TennB. Do you know how Tabitha is doing? Continuing to send her prayers....

[corbi77]

Thanks for the information TennB. Do you know how Tabitha is doing? Continuing to send her prayers....

Someone posted in the Pantagraph last week that she had been dismissed from the hospital, I believe Thursday or Friday. But no confirmation and no one else posted about it.
Prayers always for that little girl. My heart just breaks for her and her sister Jessica.

[desmom]

Hearing for woman in Beason case moved to today
http://www.sj-r.com/breaking/x665149739/Hearing-for-woman-in-Beason-case-moved-to-today

She (Duncan) will appear before Circuit Judge Thomas Harris at 2:45 p.m. today at the Logan County Courthouse. Her court appearance originally was scheduled for tomorrow. A brief news release from Logan County State’s Attorney Michael McIntosh said the hearing was moved at the request of Duncan’s attorney.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Someone posted in the Pantagraph last week that she had been dismissed from the hospital, I believe Thursday or Friday. But no confirmation and no one else posted about it.
Prayers always for that little girl. My heart just breaks for her and her sister Jessica.

I'd like to know how she's doing also. I heard a lot of rumor about her injuries (and the rest of them, plus someone posted it on Pantagraph comments). If the rumors are even half true, then she is probably released to another facility.
Then again, we know rumors don't usually play out as fact. Sometimes though.

No matter what, she is in my prayers, little darling.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Hearing for woman in Beason case moved to today
http://www.sj-r.com/breaking/x665149739/Hearing-for-woman-in-Beason-case-moved-to-today

She (Duncan) will appear before Circuit Judge Thomas Harris at 2:45 p.m. today at the Logan County Courthouse. Her court appearance originally was scheduled for tomorrow. A brief news release from Logan County State’s Attorney Michael McIntosh said the hearing was moved at the request of Duncan’s attorney.

Moved up a day?
Maybe she is leaving to get back to work. I hope there will be something later today. But so far, it is so tight we can't even expect news.

[Katherine]

Moved up a day?
Maybe she is leaving to get back to work. I hope there will be something later today. But so far, it is so tight we can't even expect news.

It sure would be nice to get a snippet of information, wouldn't it?? And Amanda, I wanted to thank you for the photobucket information. I looked back through it again, and it is really helpful.

[Katherine]

Looks like Duncan is heading back to Florida.

http://www.sj-r.com/breaking/x665149739/Hearing-for-woman-in-Beason-case-moved-to-today

[m3t00]

I sent Edith Brady-Lunny an email asking about the confusing quotes near the end of this article (http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_175833e0-bf37-11de-840e-001cc4c002e0.html) and got a one line answer today.
Edith says,everything is from the subpoenas in court records.
Here are the quotes in question again:
Prosecutors asked Oct. 8 for information from U.S. Cellular and Motorola on two unidentified cell phones "found in connection with a homicide."

Verizon was asked to supply data on a phone number "posted on Beason killer's MySpace page."

Extensive information and photos were found on Chris Harris' social networking page by the public and media after his arrest.
So that just tells me there is more public information than what shows up on Judici and the Pantagraph. And what sort of prosecutor writes "posted on Beason killer's MySpace page"? Just doesn't sound like the kind of thing you'd see in a legal document. Anyone live near Lincoln?

[Katherine]

I sent Edith Brady-Lunny an email asking about the confusing quotes near the end of this article (http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_175833e0-bf37-11de-840e-001cc4c002e0.html) and got a one line answer today.
Edith says,
Here are the quotes in question again:

So that just tells me there is more public information than what shows up on Judici and the Pantagraph. And what sort of prosecutor writes "posted on Beason killer's MySpace page"? Just doesn't sound like the kind of thing you'd see in a legal document. Anyone live near Lincoln?

I'm about 45 minutes away. What do we need? Should have gone today on my day off....

[IM4Truth]

Looks like Duncan is heading back to Florida.

http://www.sj-r.com/breaking/x665149739/Hearing-for-woman-in-Beason-case-moved-to-today

Wow! Getting this from the SJ-R before the Pantagraph? What's up with that? So Sara gets to go home and doesn't have to return until Feb? I wonder if she will get to visit with Jennifer or Olivia before she leaves? What does waiving the preliminary hearing mean?

[IM4Truth]

Glad to be of service. There isn't much about this case that I can help with, but I do know about this.

Glad to see you are still with us. Hope your family is learning to deal with all of this, though I don't know how anyone could. I have nothing but respect for Rick for taking in Ruth's children the way he did. IF and I say IF this was drug related in anyway, these are desperate times and good people are doing desperate things. This doesn't make it right, but I just don't feel like the drug theory has anything to do with it.

The most I can think of is Chris had a fight with Nicole, went to brother's house, maybe they're sitting around drinking and smoking weed (looks like a photo on myspace where Chris might have been smoking) and one thing led to another. But then again, that comment on the 18th of Chris's myspace almost makes me think it was pre-meditated.

Guess we'll just have to wait for the truth to come out.

[TennB]

Glad to see you are still with us. Hope your family is learning to deal with all of this, though I don't know how anyone could.

I will be here until we have some kind of resolution in this case. I feel a sort of kinship with most of you because you all have taken an interest in what happened to my family. It's my hope that I can stick with you all through the trial to the verdict. If I'm silent, please don't think that means I'm not here following along. It just means I don't feel I have anything pertinent to add.

Thanks to all for the prayers and concern.

[Amy]

Looks like Duncan is heading back to Florida.

http://www.sj-r.com/breaking/x665149739/Hearing-for-woman-in-Beason-case-moved-to-today

Interesting quote below the article. But, can't tell if the poster is supportive of Duncan, or if she thinks that Duncan should be staying there to support her daughter?

[m3t00]

So Sara gets to go home and doesn't have to return until Feb? I wonder if she will get to visit with Jennifer or Olivia before she leaves? What does waiving the preliminary hearing mean?

Speculation:
I don't think she knows anything about the murders. But she screwed up by telling police something that turned out to be false. We still don't know what she said to get snagged. She may have just went along with what her daughter was saying or she was tricked. No wonder so many people just refuse to get involved and won't talk to police. Duncan will be very lucky if she still has a job in Florida after this.

I think she waived the hearing (http://criminal.lawyers.com/ask-a-lawyer/Why-Waive-A-Preliminary-Hearing-6365.html) mainly so she can go back to work.

[Katherine]

Interesting quote below the article. But, can't tell if the poster is supportive of Duncan, or if she thinks that Duncan should be staying there to support her daughter?

I couldn't quite make that out either. He frequently posts on the Pantagraph, or at least did when I used to read the comments. I kind of skimmed them but couldn't get a feel for what he means by his comment on the sjr. Duncan won't be able to help bail out her daughter if she doesn't have a job...so maybe by returning to Florida she is supporting her.

[m3t00]

Pentagraph version of Duncan going back to Florida story (http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_04ba796c-c286-11de-b059-001cc4c03286.html?mode=story).

Nothing new except the picture is slightly different from previous ones. Comments are funny so far...

[Leanne Weich]

Pentagraph version of Duncan going back to Florida story (http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_04ba796c-c286-11de-b059-001cc4c03286.html?mode=story).

Nothing new except the picture is slightly different from previous ones. Comments are funny so far...

I just read the article and there are no comments. It's not that I can't see them or find them but the notation says there are none. What did they say, if you don't mind paraphrasing?

[JoAnn]

I just read the article and there are no comments. It's not that I can't see them or find them but the notation says there are none. What did they say, if you don't mind paraphrasing?

Funny for I looked to..nothing under discussion and on the right side I think it was...it said 3 comments in tiny blue ink...but when you clicked there was nothing there..maybe they were removed???

[JoAnn]

Speculation:
I don't think she knows anything about the murders. But she screwed up by telling police something that turned out to be false. We still don't know what she said to get snagged. She may have just went along with what her daughter was saying or she was tricked. No wonder so many people just refuse to get involved and won't talk to police. Duncan will be very lucky if she still has a job in Florida after this.

I think she waived the hearing (http://criminal.lawyers.com/ask-a-lawyer/Why-Waive-A-Preliminary-Hearing-6365.html) mainly so she can go back to work.

IMO...and on top of going back to work she has to find or arrange payment for attorney which I am sure is not cheap and I wonder if she will have to pay for the extradition..(anyone know about that?)..

Her debts were higher than her assets listed..so she may have to worry only about herself and let Jennifer work out her own bond money. If MY daughter deliberately got me into something like that ..I certainly wouldn't be in a rush to bond her out.

[clueless]

I just read the article and there are no comments. It's not that I can't see them or find them but the notation says there are none. What did they say, if you don't mind paraphrasing?

They were removed. The main comment was regarding the discrimination of men vs women. Stating (with some vulgarity) that if it had been a man he wouldn't have been allowed to leave the county.
The other two comments were just inquiring if he was angry.

[Leanne Weich]

They were removed. The main comment was regarding the discrimination of men vs women. Stating (with some vulgarity) that if it had been a man he wouldn't have been allowed to leave the county.
The other two comments were just inquiring if he was angry.

Thanks clueless. I wonder why they removed them unless things got out of hand after you'd read them.

[happygert]

I don't know where Olivia went, I have asked that numerous times on the Pantagraph blog and I think I asked it here. No one has answered me that I know of.

I was just pondering over why Jennifer couldn't get out when her mother could. My thoughts were that if she got out, IF this was a big drug deal, her safety would be in jeopardy.

(BTW I thought we were friends)

I thought we were. I also thought we agreed to disagree and still be friends.

I was asking why you thought that Jennifer may have been threatened by someone on the Harris side?
Jennifer also has to have $5,000 dollars to post for her bond. I dont think Jennifer has that kind of cash laying around.
Oh I'm sure she's worried about her and her baby's safety. And she probably is safer where she at.

I know where Olivia went the day Jennifer and Jason was arrested she's with family. she's missing her parents terribly. But at least she's with people she knows.

[JoAnn]

Thanks clueless. I wonder why they removed them unless things got out of hand after you'd read them.

Leanne...your a long way from home...Australia wow..that is really the only place I have always thought would be fantastic to visit..but the plane ride would kill me...lol

[momof6]

I thought we were. I also thought we agreed to disagree and still be friends.

I was asking why you thought that Jennifer may have been threatened by someone on the Harris side?
Jennifer also has to have $5,000 dollars to post for her bond. I dont think Jennifer has that kind of cash laying around.
Oh I'm sure she's worried about her and her baby's safety. And she probably is safer where she at.

I know where Olivia went the day Jennifer and Jason was arrested she's with family. she's missing her parents terribly. But at least she's with people she knows.

I have not kept up with the situation with the Gee family but have been very interested to see who did this to them. Everytime I come to take a peek, I just get confused because of all the different players involved. There are so many names that I don't have time to look back at all the posts.

Could some one summarize what has happened in this case or give a rundown of the names and how they are involved? Who is Jennifer and why is she in jail? Who is Olivia? Thanks

[CaliforniaGr]

I have not kept up with the situation with the Gee family but have been very interested to see who did this to them. Everytime I come to take a peek, I just get confused because of all the different players involved. There are so many names that I don't have time to look back at all the posts.

Could some one summarize what has happened in this case or give a rundown of the names and how they are involved? Who is Jennifer and why is she in jail? Who is Olivia? Thanks

Yes, a lot of names in this group. Jennifer is the fiancee of Jason who is Chris' brother and they have both, Jason and Chris, been arrested for the murder. Jason and Jennifer are the parents of Olivia. Jennifer is in jail because LE says she and her mom, Sara Duncan from Florida, provided false alibis for the Harris' therefore committing obstruction of justice charges.

[JoAnn]

Yes, a lot of names in this group. Jennifer is the fiancee of Jason who is Chris' brother and they have both, Jason and Chris, been arrested for the murder. Jason and Jennifer are the parents of Olivia. Jennifer is in jail because LE says she and her mom, Sara Duncan from Florida, provided false alibis for the Harris' therefore committing obstruction of justice charges.

GOOD JOB...that is it pretty much...so many names and children, step children, ex wives and the such...you leftout Nichole...who is Jason (the accused) his ex wife who is also the daugther of Rick(Raymond) Gee, one of the victims.

No motive has been released,only speculation.

[GentleBreeze]

GOOD JOB...that is it pretty much...so many names and children, step children, ex wives and the such...you leftout Nichole...who is Jason (the accused) his ex wife who is also the daugther of Rick(Raymond) Gee, one of the victims.

No motive has been released,only speculation.

Nicole is the ex wife of Chris Harris.

imo

[JoAnn]

GOOD JOB...that is it pretty much...so many names and children, step children, ex wives and the such...you leftout Nichole...who is Jason (the accused) his ex wife who is also the daugther of Rick(Raymond) Gee, one of the victims.

No motive has been released,only speculation.

OOOPS MY ERROR... got myself mixed up..meant to say Nicole is CHRIS'S (the accused) ex wife...rolling my eyes here...lol

[GentleBreeze]

OOOPS MY ERROR... got myself mixed up..meant to say Nicole is CHRIS'S (the accused) ex wife...rolling my eyes here...lol

LOL! It can get confusing............ no doubt.

imo

[clueless]

http://www.judici.com/courts/cases/case_history.jsp?court=IL054025J&ocl=IL054025J,2009CF176,IL054025JL2009CF176D1



Well, we finally have info thru the court files on Sara.
Look at the info from the 22nd....why is Carol Tappan ( I thought her name was Betty) have a court date on the 27th? Wonder if the same person or maybe daughter???? Could this maybe be about Olivia?

[JoAnn]

http://www.judici.com/courts/cases/case_history.jsp?court=IL054025J&ocl=IL054025J,2009CF176,IL054025JL2009CF176D1



Well, we finally have info thru the court files on Sara.
Look at the info from the 22nd....why is Carol Tappan ( I thought her name was Betty) have a court date on the 27th? Wonder if the same person or maybe daughter???? Could this maybe be about Olivia?


I am going to TOTALLY guess on this... I think Carol Tappan posted the bond. I think the court date refers to when Sarah had to appear back in court not Carol. (but didn they move the date up ahead of schedule or do I have that confused with something else.?..it is hard to decipher the info when you don't know what all the abbreviations stand for.

I found this general definition for cash bond assignment..not necessarily for Illinois..but probably close to true anywhere.

The cash bond assignment will cause the cash deposit to be refunded to another party named in the assignment form. This form must be filed with the District Clerk prior to the conclusion of the criminal case (cause) and it must be notarized, or the depositor must appear in person with proper identification to file the assignment.

Which I believe means, that if and when Sarah shows up for all her court appearances..the bond money will be released to the poster, not to Sarah..minus any fees or expenses.

[clueless]

I think you may be right JoAnn. I wonder who Carol is tho. Newspapers have listed Betty Tappan/Wanders in the past. I did a search and there are Carol Tappan's in NM, IL, & FL....so.....

[JoAnn]

I think you may be right JoAnn. I wonder who Carol is tho. Newspapers have listed Betty Tappan/Wanders in the past. I did a search and there are Carol Tappan's in NM, IL, & FL....so.....

I did a quick search and Amazon of all places, shows a profile for a Carol Tappan of Sarasota...then another site shows same name for Bradenton.

Sarasota and Bradenton are next to each other if I remember correctly, think they sort of merge into each other..and Sarasota is where Sara lives, so it might be Bettys legal name or a relative of Betty's since it is in the same vicinity as Saras home.

[IM4Truth]

http://www.judici.com/courts/cases/case_history.jsp?court=IL054025J&ocl=IL054025J,2009CF176,IL054025JL2009CF176D1



Well, we finally have info thru the court files on Sara.
Look at the info from the 22nd....why is Carol Tappan ( I thought her name was Betty) have a court date on the 27th? Wonder if the same person or maybe daughter???? Could this maybe be about Olivia?

Anyone know what this part means? "Invoice from CON-LINK Transportation Corp Filed. Sheriff Fees: $750.00" Could it be a car rental? Oh wait, that is probably the cost to transport her up here?

[IM4Truth]

I did a quick search and Amazon of all places, shows a profile for a Carol Tappan of Sarasota...then another site shows same name for Bradenton.

Sarasota and Bradenton are next to each other if I remember correctly, think they sort of merge into each other..and Sarasota is where Sara lives, so it might be Bettys legal name or a relative of Betty's since it is in the same vicinity as Saras home.

Bradenton/Sarasota just run right into each other. Almost like one big city. Maybe Carol is Sara's mother? And Betty isn't married? I don't know.

[m3t00]

I did a quick search and Amazon of all places, shows a profile for a Carol Tappan of Sarasota...then another site shows same name for Bradenton.

Sarasota and Bradenton are next to each other if I remember correctly, think they sort of merge into each other..and Sarasota is where Sara lives, so it might be Bettys legal name or a relative of Betty's since it is in the same vicinity as Saras home.

Thought Betty was from out west? Another sister or Sara's Mom maybe?

[IM4Truth]

I thought we were. I also thought we agreed to disagree and still be friends.
I was asking why you thought that Jennifer may have been threatened by someone on the Harris side?
Jennifer also has to have $5,000 dollars to post for her bond. I dont think Jennifer has that kind of cash laying around.
Oh I'm sure she's worried about her and her baby's safety. And she probably is safer where she at.

I know where Olivia went the day Jennifer and Jason was arrested she's with family. she's missing her parents terribly. But at least she's with people she knows.

BBM Best part of being friends.

My only concern about Olivia was not so much as WHO has her but I was wondering if DCF stepped in and snatched her. I guess they still could have and placed her with family. No one ever answered my question.

[IM4Truth]

Thought Betty was from out west? Another sister or Sara's Mom maybe?

I thought Betty was in Mexico??

[Katherine]

BBM Best part of being friends.

My only concern about Olivia was not so much as WHO has her but I was wondering if DCF stepped in and snatched her. I guess they still could have and placed her with family. No one ever answered my question.


I do believe DCFS took custody of Olivia and placed her with the Harris family.

[Katherine]

Anyone know what this part means? "Invoice from CON-LINK Transportation Corp Filed. Sheriff Fees: $750.00" Could it be a car rental? Oh wait, that is probably the cost to transport her up here?

I believe you're right on that one. I bet it was the cost to transport her from Florida to Illinois following her arrest.

[clueless]

So much the little ones have to go through in this. I wonder how Nicole and the little girl and baby are doing? Didn't the little girl go to stay with a friend or relative somewhere? This must be awfully confusing for her. I'm sure she's missing her mom and dad and trying to make some sense out of all this in her own way.:sad:

[JoAnn]

Anyone know what this part means? "Invoice from CON-LINK Transportation Corp Filed. Sheriff Fees: $750.00" Could it be a car rental? Oh wait, that is probably the cost to transport her up here?

I THINK Con-Link is a private security company..maybe they do transports. Seems a pretty low price for a transport though, I would have guessed it at about triple that amount.....much cheaper than sending their own people and paying wages and plane fare or the cost of car, transportation and meals I would think.

She will probably have to pay that amount back also.

[m3t00]

I thought Betty was in Mexico??

Close on Betty Tappan. From Pantagraph:Tappan, who lives in New Mexico... (http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_2e9067e0-b9eb-11de-bd0d-001cc4c002e0.html)

[AmndaRcknwth]

http://pantagraph.com/news/local/article_5b7020b4-c34d-11de-b059-001cc4c002e0.html

Relatives of slain Beason family still looking for answers


LINCOLN -- Relatives of a slain Beason family will be in court Wednesday, looking for answers.

People close to Rick and Ruth Gee and their children, Justina Constant, Dillen Constant and Austin Gee, are hopeful that their questions will be answered at court appearances for Christopher J. Harris, 30, and Jason L. Harris, 22. The victims were found Sept. 21 in their Beason home by Rick Gee's stepfather.

"We need to know something -- even the motive--about why these two have been arrested," said Terry Miller, Dillen's stepmother. If information is not disclosed in court, Miller said the family is prepared to ask police for more answers.

Charges have also been filed against Sara Duncan and her daughter, Jennifer Earnest, because authorities said they gave false alibis to investigators for Chris Harris.

Miller said she and Dillen's father, Gerald Miller, have been given few details of the circumstances of the killings. Authorities told the family that the victims "put up one hell of a fight" before their deaths, said Miller, but no one has explained what links the Harris brothers to the deaths.

(more at link)

[GentleBreeze]

http://pantagraph.com/news/local/article_5b7020b4-c34d-11de-b059-001cc4c002e0.html

Relatives of slain Beason family still looking for answers


LINCOLN -- Relatives of a slain Beason family will be in court Wednesday, looking for answers.

People close to Rick and Ruth Gee and their children, Justina Constant, Dillen Constant and Austin Gee, are hopeful that their questions will be answered at court appearances for Christopher J. Harris, 30, and Jason L. Harris, 22. The victims were found Sept. 21 in their Beason home by Rick Gee's stepfather.

"We need to know something -- even the motive--about why these two have been arrested," said Terry Miller, Dillen's stepmother. If information is not disclosed in court, Miller said the family is prepared to ask police for more answers.

Charges have also been filed against Sara Duncan and her daughter, Jennifer Earnest, because authorities said they gave false alibis to investigators for Chris Harris.

Miller said she and Dillen's father, Gerald Miller, have been given few details of the circumstances of the killings. Authorities told the family that the victims "put up one hell of a fight" before their deaths, said Miller, but no one has explained what links the Harris brothers to the deaths.

(more at link)

Thanks Amanda. I had forgotten that the preliminary hearing is set for tomorrow for both suspects.

I wonder if the Pantagraph will have anyone in the courtroom reporting?

imo

[AmndaRcknwth]

I sure hope so, this case is just frustrating. Well, even moreso than most.

[clueless]

snipped..

"We need to know something -- even the motive--about why these two have been arrested," said Terry Miller, Dillen's stepmother. If information is not disclosed in court, Miller said the family is prepared to ask police for more answers.

Looks like they might be questioning the Harris' arrest also?

[JoAnn]

snipped..

"We need to know something -- even the motive--about why these two have been arrested," said Terry Miller, Dillen's stepmother. If information is not disclosed in court, Miller said the family is prepared to ask police for more answers.

Looks like they might be questioning the Harris' arrest also?

They probably have 'no closure" for without knowing WHY their son died, how can they or any remaining members of the Gee family go on with their own lives...to know WHY they died would at least allow them some bit of closure.

[happygert]

has anyone but me noticed that NOW Chris's arrest warrant is ordered sealed along with Sara Duncan? Nothing about Jason's orJennifer's being sealed on the history yet but im sure that will change soon. and it will look like it was wrote the day of the arrest just like Chris's does now..(Chris's, Verified statement of arrest is ordered sealed and not to be opened except by order of this court.)

However DA's office ownt turn anyover because they are all supposed to be sealed...Very FISHY INDEED.. Kind of smells like a dead fish.. mo..

What are they trying to hide?..

[happygert]

snipped..

"We need to know something -- even the motive--about why these two have been arrested," said Terry Miller, Dillen's stepmother. If information is not disclosed in court, Miller said the family is prepared to ask police for more answers.

Looks like they might be questioning the Harris' arrest also?


Clueless, I think you're right on the money with that.. Theres a lot questioning it.

[desmom]

Chris Harris - http://www.judici.com/courts/cases/case_history.jsp?court=IL054025J&ocl=IL054025J,2009CF171,IL054025JL2009CF171D1
Matter set for Preliminary Hearing on October 28, 2009 at 1:15p.m.

Jason Harris - http://www.judici.com/courts/cases/case_history.jsp?court=IL054025J&ocl=IL054025J,2009CF178,IL054025JL2009CF178D1
Matter set for Preliminary Hearing on 10/28/09 at 1:45 pm.

What Is a Preliminary Hearing
Understanding Basic Procedures in Criminal Law
Read more: http://law.suite101.com/article.cfm/what_is_a_preliminary_hearing#ixzz0VEOvX5rK

[IlliniFan]

They probably have 'no closure" for without knowing WHY their son died, how can they or any remaining members of the Gee family go on with their own lives...to know WHY they died would at least allow them some bit of closure.


I agree JoAnn. Afterall, IIRC Gerald Miller said in the print media that he didn't even know Chris Harris. So I'm sure Miller just want's to know the "why." I think everyone wants to know why, particularly when LE says they know the motive.

I haven't heard much from the Gee's. I know there is a brother to Nicole, and other family members, but they have not made public statements. If they have, I have missed them, other than Nicole making a statement on her myspace or facebook.

I wonder if she is still supportive of Chris? I hope she can find a place to live and work where she and her children will be happy.

It might be a while before we learn much about the specifics of the case, but then I don't think that's all that unusual really. In other cases I've followed, there have been perhaps leaks, or neighbors speaking, but typically police/the courts don't hold Press Conferences to announce motive, evidence, or much of anything else.

[happygert]

Has anyone figured out yet why Chris's history now says his warrant is now sealed and it looks like it was done on the day he was arrested?
Waiting to see if same thing pops up on Jason's and Jennifer's, so far not yet.

Umm could it be because the person who does the felony records was told to put it there by her brother?.. Just a thought people.

This whole warrant and investigation smells to high heaven.

Oh yes I know you'll all say well how cant that happen when FBI and ISP is involved? Well folks.. FBI did not physically come down to Lincoln when these murders first happen. They were called on phone an few days later. Oh yes and ISP was not there for hours all the while nichols , pd, and emts, rescue squad personal were all tromping thru the crime scene.. Oh BTW Nichols was never a COP before he became sheriff.. he worked for DCFS.. oh yes check that out.. It was said he worked for the state before he became sheriff he sure did he was a state employee for DCFS..

Dont Know about anyone else but IMO someone who was a DCFS worker knows NOTHING ABOUT MURDER IVESTITGATIONS. Or being a sheriff for that matter. But he sure seems to get his man.. coincidence? naw I think not. heck it's s miracle all in itself. cant find a stolen bike , or cars, but always finds his murderers...

Yes folks IMO this is not what it seems.. IMO Chris and Jason did not commit these murders.. Should Jennifer feel safer in Jail yes maybe she should.
Is Jennifer scared I'd say she is. Is she scared of her baby's Father? Nope shes scared of the real killers.

Check out who Maxheimer is to Nichols.. Check out what her job is.

PS why are warrants sealed? umm could it be a fill in the blanks later kind of warrant?

[Katherine]

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_73ec7554-c3fa-11de-b5b3-001cc4c002e0.html

The latest on the hearings.

[Katherine]

Has anyone figured out yet why Chris's history now says his warrant is now sealed and it looks like it was done on the day he was arrested?
Waiting to see if same thing pops up on Jason's and Jennifer's, so far not yet.

Umm could it be because the person who does the felony records was told to put it there by her brother?.. Just a thought people.

This whole warrant and investigation smells to high heaven.

Oh yes I know you'll all say well how cant that happen when FBI and ISP is involved? Well folks.. FBI did not physically come down to Lincoln when these murders first happen. They were called on phone an few days later. Oh yes and ISP was not there for hours all the while nichols , pd, and emts, rescue squad personal were all tromping thru the crime scene.. Oh BTW Nichols was never a COP before he became sheriff.. he worked for DCFS.. oh yes check that out.. It was said he worked for the state before he became sheriff he sure did he was a state employee for DCFS..

Dont Know about anyone else but IMO someone who was a DCFS worker knows NOTHING ABOUT MURDER IVESTITGATIONS. Or being a sheriff for that matter. But he sure seems to get his man.. coincidence? naw I think not. heck it's s miracle all in itself. cant find a stolen bike , or cars, but always finds his murderers...

Yes folks IMO this is not what it seems.. IMO Chris and Jason did not commit these murders.. Should Jennifer feel safer in Jail yes maybe she should.
Is Jennifer scared I'd say she is. Is she scared of her baby's Father? Nope shes scared of the real killers.

Check out who Maxheimer is to Nichols.. Check out what her job is.

PS why are warrants sealed? umm could it be a fill in the blanks later kind of warrant?

Gert, only a Judge can seal the warrant. With the attention drawn to this case and the sealed warrant, I am quite sure it was done in a legal manner.

And you are mistaken about Sheriff Nichols. He was in law enforcement for nine years prior to working for DCFS. At DCFS, he conducted investigations, which include child murder. In my opinion, he does have the experience. He also called in assistance from ISP and the FBI, which added experience to his experience.

I understand you think the Harris boys are innocent, but the information you provided about Nichols is incorrect.

[desmom]

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_5b7020b4-c34d-11de-b059-001cc4c002e0.html?mode=comments

Poster in the comments posted the reason the truck was suspected to have exhaust pipes in the bed was because there was a table in the bed of the truck. It was laying upside on the top and had 2 missing legs. Poster also states LE was looking for 2 metal table legs.

[desmom]

Harris brothers face 60-plus count indictment in Beason slayings
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_73ec7554-c3fa-11de-b5b3-001cc4c002e0.html

The 67-count indictment against Chris Harris, 30, includes 57 counts of murder and additional counts of attempted murder, armed robbery, residential burglary, and attempted criminal sexual assault.

Jason Harris, 22, faces the same charges, plus three counts of obstruction of justice for allegedly giving a false alibi for himself and Chris, burning clothing belonging to his brother, and concealing a computer....

The attempted criminal sexual assault charge is related to the attack on 16-year-old Justina Constant, the oldest of the child victims. She is the biological daughter of Ruth Gee.

[clueless]

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_73ec7554-c3fa-11de-b5b3-001cc4c002e0.html

The latest on the hearings.

I don't understand the charge of 57 murder counts. From the sound of things, we are going to get a history here. What in the world has been going on?
Wonder who in the sexual assault--Ruth, Justina?? Dear Lord.

[JoAnn]

....snipped.. Oh BTW Nichols was never a COP before he became sheriff.. he worked for DCFS.. oh yes check that out.. It was said he worked for the state before he became sheriff he sure did he was a state employee for DCFS..

Dont Know about anyone else but IMO someone who was a DCFS worker knows NOTHING ABOUT MURDER IVESTITGATIONS. Or being a sheriff for that matter. But he sure seems to get his man.. coincidence? naw I think not. heck it's s miracle all in itself. cant find a stolen bike , or cars, but always finds his murderers...
snipped



Gert..from the pantagraph on Sheriff Nichols


Professional background

Nichols, 53, has been sheriff since 2002 after spending nine years as a state trooper in Illinois and South Dakota and 11 years investigating child abuse and neglect for the Department of Children and Family Services.

His bachelor's degree in law enforcement is from the well-established program at Western Illinois University, Macomb. He's eligible for a third term as sheriff in 2010.

Western's law enforcement and justice administration program is the largest in the region and the fourth largest in the country, said director Darrell Ross.

[clueless]

Just read the update...answered my own questions.
There has to be more people involved in this........

[JoAnn]

Harris brothers face 60-plus count indictment in Beason slayings
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_73ec7554-c3fa-11de-b5b3-001cc4c002e0.html

The 67-count indictment against Chris Harris, 30, includes 57 counts of murder and additional counts of attempted murder, armed robbery, residential burglary, and attempted criminal sexual assault.

Jason Harris, 22, faces the same charges, plus three counts of obstruction of justice for allegedly giving a false alibi for himself and Chris, burning clothing belonging to his brother, and concealing a computer....

The attempted criminal sexual assault charge is related to the attack on 16-year-old Justina Constant, the oldest of the child victims. She is the biological daughter of Ruth Gee.

OMGD..I have never seen so many counts against one person, let alone two people and Jason even has more because he lied.
Quick fast thoughts...the computer must have been taken for it had evidence on it that they didnt want found out and or implicated them in SOMETHING...

Justina being attacked...could that have been earlier in the day when there was an alleged argument going on in the Gee house?

my mind is whirling..cant take it all in..but sounds like the family of the Gee's are going to meet and get some answers to what happened..which will help them, but will certainly create new questions.

It will be interesting to piece this all together and see how Jennifer and her mom Sara fit into all of this...

[IlliniFan]

Harris brothers face 60-plus count indictment in Beason slayings
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_73ec7554-c3fa-11de-b5b3-001cc4c002e0.html

The 67-count indictment against Chris Harris, 30, includes 57 counts of murder and additional counts of attempted murder, armed robbery, residential burglary, and attempted criminal sexual assault.

Jason Harris, 22, faces the same charges, plus three counts of obstruction of justice for allegedly giving a false alibi for himself and Chris, burning clothing belonging to his brother, and concealing a computer....

The attempted criminal sexual assault charge is related to the attack on 16-year-old Justina Constant, the oldest of the child victims. She is the biological daughter of Ruth Gee.


Well, we know a little bit more now. I never imagined there would be an attempted sexual assault charge against Chris. I didn't think this case could get more awful..

[GentleBreeze]

Harris brothers face 60-plus count indictment in Beason slayings
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_73ec7554-c3fa-11de-b5b3-001cc4c002e0.html

The 67-count indictment against Chris Harris, 30, includes 57 counts of murder and additional counts of attempted murder, armed robbery, residential burglary, and attempted criminal sexual assault.

Jason Harris, 22, faces the same charges, plus three counts of obstruction of justice for allegedly giving a false alibi for himself and Chris, burning clothing belonging to his brother, and concealing a computer....

The attempted criminal sexual assault charge is related to the attack on 16-year-old Justina Constant, the oldest of the child victims. She is the biological daughter of Ruth Gee.

OMG these crimes are even worse that I had imagined.:sad:

Today in the Newsom/Christian murders they just came back with guilty on 38 charges and 3 other charges they found him guilty but of a lessor offense. Total of 41 charges. So I have seen defendants who have multiple charges like this before.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Just read the update...answered my own questions.
There has to be more people involved in this........

Why do you think that clueless.

The police has said they do not anticipate any more arrest.

imo

[clueless]

Why do you think that clueless.

The police has said they do not anticipate any more arrest.

imo

Are all of these charges regarding the Gee family? I never did understand how someone could be charged with 57 counts of murder when there are only 5 deceased. As someone stated in the Pantagraph comments, these guys were monsters. I guess they weren't exaggerating on their MySpace about playing Mafia games. This is so sick.....no wonder they are worried about their safety. My God, what happened in the life of these men to cause them to do something this morbid.

[GentleBreeze]

Are all of these charges regarding the Gee family? I never did understand how someone could be charged with 57 counts of murder when there are only 5 deceased. As someone stated in the Pantagraph comments, these guys were monsters. I guess they weren't exaggerating on their MySpace about playing Mafia games. This is so sick.....no wonder they are worried about their safety. My God, what happened in the life of these men to cause them to do something this morbid.

I have a hard time figuring out that too but it has something to do with the fact that they were committing other felonies when these murders occurred and for each felony such as sexual assault, robbery or burglary etc. it adds another felony murder count on top of the first degree murder counts. Times 5 of course since it is five victims here.

Sounds like a lot of people really didn't know this guys as well as they thought they did.

imo

[JoAnn]

Why do you think that clueless.

The police has said they do not anticipate any more arrest.

imo

Do you think that Jennifer and Sara could be charged with something further? Wonder if they could be an accessory after the fact? Is something like that possible? If they had knowledge that the boys were involved in the murders and then lied creating the alibi..couldn't there be further charges on them? Or do I watch to much TV?


But doesnt seem like they would allow Sara to leave the state if that were so..but there is still Jennifer sitting there in jail?

[JoAnn]

I have a hard time figuring out that too but it has something to do with the fact that they were committing other felonies when these murders occurred and for each felony such as sexual assault, robbery or burglary etc. it adds another felony murder count on top of the first degree murder counts. Times 5 of course since it is five victims here.

Sounds like a lot of people really didn't know this guys as well as they thought they did.

imo

I think your pretty right on with that..most likey the news will lay it all out real soon..so that people can understand it ..

[JoAnn]

Sherriff Nichols and the Grand Jury have been very busy ....

I wonder WHAT it was that led them to Chris in the first place and what happened to Justina, how that came about...I mean how would they KNOW it had occurred..?

Unless...hmmm... there was some truth to the alleged argument in the afternoon of the murders...could a sexual attempt have occurred then?..and was discovered by Rick or Ruth..leaving plenty of time for the family to email a friend or relative about it all, IM or evey skype someone about it, hence the removal of the puter...maybe Chris was threatened by the Gee;s that they were going to call LE...and that is why the whole family were murdered? Because the whole family knew of the attempted sexual assault?..

this is intense

[GentleBreeze]

Do you think that Jennifer and Sara could be charged with something further? Wonder if they could be an accessory after the fact? Is something like that possible? If they had knowledge that the boys were involved in the murders and then lied creating the alibi..couldn't there be further charges on them? Or do I watch to much TV?


But doesn't seem like they would allow Sara to leave the state if that were so..but there is still Jennifer sitting there in jail?

It depends on the laws in each state.

In some states it is not against the law to know about a crime and not report it. With them supposedly giving Chris Harris a false alibi I believe they have charged them with the proper offense.

Now if they aided and abetted the defendants such as destroying evidence then I do believe they could be charged with that.

I think though they are going to put the heat to these two women to see what they knew and when they knew it. They may be more valuable as witnesses in the trial. I guess we will have to wait and see.

imo

[clueless]

Thanks GB for explanation. Hope the inmates to whereever they are going drills them a new one!

[GentleBreeze]

Sherriff Nichols and the Grand Jury have been very busy ....

I wonder WHAT it was that led them to Chris in the first place and what happened to Justina, how that came about...I mean how would they KNOW it had occurred..?

Unless...hmmm... there was some truth to the alleged argument in the afternoon of the murders...could a sexual attempt have occurred then?..and was discovered by Rick or Ruth..leaving plenty of time for the family to email a friend or relative about it all, IM or every skype someone about it, hence the removal of the puter...maybe Chris was threatened by the Gee;s that they were going to call LE...and that is why the whole family were murdered? Because the whole family knew of the attempted sexual assault?..

this is intense


I would think they learned of the attempted sexual assault when the ME did the autopsy. They may have taken dna samples of her genital area and that was one of the first things fast tracked by ISP.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

I think your pretty right on with that..most likey the news will lay it all out real soon..so that people can understand it ..

Yes, this is what the Pantagraph has said so far.

Authorities said the high number of counts returned in the indictment stem from the alleged crimes being committed during other alleged criminal acts, all involving multiple victims.

[TennB]

Hope the inmates to whereever they are going drills them a new one!

Oh, Clueless, Thanks for the laugh! I needed a little humor this afternoon.

[kelloggirl]

Harris brothers face 60-plus count indictment in Beason slayings
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_73ec7554-c3fa-11de-b5b3-001cc4c002e0.html

The 67-count indictment against Chris Harris, 30, includes 57 counts of murder and additional counts of attempted murder, armed robbery, residential burglary, and attempted criminal sexual assault.

Jason Harris, 22, faces the same charges, plus three counts of obstruction of justice for allegedly giving a false alibi for himself and Chris, burning clothing belonging to his brother, and concealing a computer....

The attempted criminal sexual assault charge is related to the attack on 16-year-old Justina Constant, the oldest of the child victims. She is the biological daughter of Ruth Gee.

OMG!!! Wow, this is even worse than I imagined. Attempted sexual assault on the 16 yr-old? OMG!!!

Also, there is some evidence, obviously. Burning clothes from the murder scene, hiding a computer from the Gee house - pretty damning.

So, does anyone think maybe robbery was the primary motive? This does to me seem like drugs were involved - either drugs were the motive for a robbery for things to pawn and/or maybe they heard there was money in the house, OR they were really high on something - crack cocaine and crystal meth come to mind just from other really violent murders like this. Other than the computer, did we ever hear of other items being stolen? I'm just shocked.

[IM4Truth]

Oh, Clueless, Thanks for the laugh! I needed a little humor this afternoon.

Just curious, were you shocked?

[IM4Truth]

OMG!!! Wow, this is even worse than I imagined. Attempted sexual assault on the 16 yr-old? OMG!!!

Also, there is some evidence, obviously. Burning clothes from the murder scene, hiding a computer from the Gee house - pretty damning.

So, does anyone think maybe robbery was the primary motive? This does to me seem like drugs were involved - either drugs were the motive for a robbery for things to pawn and/or maybe they heard there was money in the house, OR they were really high on something - crack cocaine and crystal meth come to mind just from other really violent murders like this. Other than the computer, did we ever hear of other items being stolen? I'm just shocked.

I'm still thinking it was rage that Rick & Ruth were interfering with Chris & Nicole. Didn't someone say that Ruth & Nicole were on the computer arguing late that night? We know Chris and Nicole weren't getting along because Chris had gone to stay with Jason. I think Chris just went to his brother's, maybe they were drinking, he was venting, his rage got out of hand and this is the result. The reason for taking the computer was probably because they knew there was damning evidence on it. The attempted sexual assault on Justina was out of rage and anger towards Rick. We know it was a home invasion and they went in that house with intent to cause harm carrying a tire iron. What a shame. How awful. No respect for human life at all.

[IM4Truth]

Well, we know a little bit more now. I never imagined there would be an attempted sexual assault charge against Chris. I didn't think this case could get more awful..

The attempted sexual assault was always in the back of my mind with Justina. I never really admitted it to myself though but there were fleeting thoughts.

[TennB]

Just curious, were you shocked?

I don't think that anything can shock me anymore. I was shocked by the murders, and then shocked again when Chris was arrested, and yet again when his brother was also charged with the murders. The possibility of Justina being sexually assaulted crossed my mind, but I didn't actually expect to hear that they were charged with it. This entire thing has been so upsetting and unsettling for the whole family. You just don't expect something like this to happen to anyone you know. I still need to know WHY. When I do finally find out the motive, I'm not sure that I'll find any peace. I have a feeling that this is going to haunt all of us for a very long time.

[TennB]

Read what I posted above.

:sad:

Yes, I read what you posted. I had posted earlier that the rumor about the eyes being gouged out was not true.

[TennB]

The sad thing about the secrecy is that Nicole Gee could have already had a top-dog lawyer helping her for free along with free help from Gloria Allred, the brothers would be lawyered up with Mark Geragos if the gruesome details I posted above would have been all over the cable news networks from day #1. Also, instead of raising less than $10k for the victims they could have raised 10 times that or more by now. This is all due to the selfishness of the local sheriff who doesn't want cable news network vehicles deluging upon their small peaceful town.

:crying:

So you're saying the 2 people who are charged with committing the murders and all of the atrocities you referred to in your previous post would have top notch lawyers for FREE if the sheriff would just release the gruesome details??? Maybe I'm missing something here, but I don't see how you're reaching that conclusion. If I were an attorney and heard about this case and all of the horrible things that were done to that family, (my family, by the way,) I would RUN in the opposite direction just as far and as fast as I could.

Sheriff Nichols is doing and has done a fine job in this investigation and he deserves our respect as well as our thanks.

[Katherine]

The sad thing about the secrecy is that Nicole Gee could have already had a top-dog lawyer helping her for free along with free help from Gloria Allred, the brothers would be lawyered up with Mark Geragos if the gruesome details I posted above would have been all over the cable news networks from day #1. Also, instead of raising less than $10k for the victims they could have raised 10 times that or more by now. This is all due to the selfishness of the local sheriff who doesn't want cable news network vehicles deluging upon their small peaceful town.

:crying:

I think Sheriff Nichols is anything but selfish. He has kept cable news out of there in attempts to keep things as normal as possible. More problems could occur if people attempted to find their fifteen minutes of fame on television and talk about things in which they know nothing. Law enforcement has been able to concentrate on the crime vs. newscasters.

Also, if Nichols was selfish, he would not have called in the ISP and FBI for help, but attempted to make it about him solving this crime. He did not do that. I think he has done and excellent job with this case and the fact that details are not released to the public does not bother me. Although, yes, I am curious, we will know in time. If keeping it quiet helps keep the case fair and ensure justice is served, I am all for it.

[TennB]

I think Sheriff Nichols is anything but selfish. He has kept cable news out of there in attempts to keep things as normal as possible. More problems could occur if people attempted to find their fifteen minutes of fame on television and talk about things in which they know nothing. Law enforcement has been able to concentrate on the crime vs. newscasters.

Also, if Nichols was selfish, he would not have called in the ISP and FBI for help, but attempted to make it about him solving this crime. He did not do that. I think he has done and excellent job with this case and the fact that details are not released to the public does not bother me. Although, yes, I am curious, we will know in time. If keeping it quiet helps keep the case fair and ensure justice is served, I am all for it.

Thank you. Well said Katherine.

[clueless]

[QUOTE=IM4Truth;13596817]
Snipped...

Didn't someone say that Ruth & Nicole were on the computer arguing late that night?

Where did you get that information? I don't recall it in anything I have read.

[kennedy06]

I don't understand the charge of 57 murder counts. From the sound of things, we are going to get a history here. What in the world has been going on?
Wonder who in the sexual assault--Ruth, Justina?? Dear Lord.

Whoa I wasn't expecting something like this. Why take the computer? Is the 57 counts maybe for each wound that could have caused death maybe????

[JoAnn]

I think Sheriff Nichols is anything but selfish. He has kept cable news out of there in attempts to keep things as normal as possible. More problems could occur if people attempted to find their fifteen minutes of fame on television and talk about things in which they know nothing. Law enforcement has been able to concentrate on the crime vs. newscasters.

Also, if Nichols was selfish, he would not have called in the ISP and FBI for help, but attempted to make it about him solving this crime. He did not do that. I think he has done and excellent job with this case and the fact that details are not released to the public does not bother me. Although, yes, I am curious, we will know in time. If keeping it quiet helps keep the case fair and ensure justice is served, I am all for it.

I agree with you on that.

[IM4Truth]

[QUOTE=IM4Truth;13596817]
Snipped...

Didn't someone say that Ruth & Nicole were on the computer arguing late that night?

Where did you get that information? I don't recall it in anything I have read.

Sorry, I probably read that in a comments section of the Pantagraph, at least I'm not spreading awful graphic rumors that are not allowed on the board.

[IM4Truth]

Whoa I wasn't expecting something like this. Why take the computer? Is the 57 counts maybe for each wound that could have caused death maybe????

That is what I was thinking too.

[kennedy06]

That article about the counts mentions early morning hours? Were some of them found in bed maybe? We know the little boy who found the scene saw blood when the front door opened, correct? I wonder if the laptop was specific to a particular member of the household and not like a family use laptop?

How does one just happen apon a tire iron in a house, hmmm, you wouldn't would you??

Just from my memory, I think that eye comment came from a commenter on one of the paper that was linked to on here, maybe about a week after the murders. Don't quote me but that sounds familiar. I have never read it to be a fact or anything,but just a comment that rings a bell.

:crying:

[IM4Truth]

I am not going to quote anyone for fear I will be put in time out for quoting the rumors. I will say that I have seen very little support of the Harris brothers on here, and yes, TennB is the sister of Rick, so you can believe what she says.

[IM4Truth]

That article about the counts mentions early morning hours? Were some of them found in bed maybe? We know the little boy who found the scene saw blood when the front door opened, correct? I wonder if the laptop was specific to a particular member of the household and not like a family use laptop?

How does one just happen apon a tire iron in a house, hmmm, you wouldn't would you??

:crying:

I missed the part that the computer was a laptop. But I understood the Pantagraph article to say that they went into the home carrying the tire iron. I missed the early morning hours too, maybe there has been an update I haven't read yet.

[kennedy06]

I'm commenting off this article, maybe it was updated from earlier today?

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_73ec7554-c3fa-11de-b5b3-001cc4c002e0.html

4th paragraph

[JoAnn]

That article about the counts mentions early morning hours? Were some of them found in bed maybe? We know the little boy who found the scene saw blood when the front door opened, correct? I wonder if the laptop was specific to a particular member of the household and not like a family use laptop?

How does one just happen apon a tire iron in a house, hmmm, you wouldn't would you??

:crying:

I will have to go back to pantagraph and state Journal to see..I don't specifically remember reading anything about early morning hours...and I believe I read they had the tire iron on them when they broke in.

I believe I recall info on the subpoena that asked for hospital records for anyone seeking treatment after midnight with possible cuts or injuries to the face and hands...so if that were true it could include the possibility the murders might have happened before midnight, unless they just picked a large block of time for the subpoena, to cover all bases..

[IM4Truth]

I just found this on the Pantagraph cite, it lists all the counts:

http://www.pantagraph.com/pdf_fcc1562c-c415-11de-827f-001cc4c03286.html

Jason's counts are there too.

[IM4Truth]

I'm commenting off this article, maybe it was updated from earlier today?

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_73ec7554-c3fa-11de-b5b3-001cc4c002e0.html

4th paragraph

Yes, it was updated and I read that it was a laptop.

[IM4Truth]

Families react after the indictment:

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_52d3761a-c41d-11de-8280-001cc4c03286

[kennedy06]

It says J is charged with buring his brother's clothing in the previous article I just linked to.

What is that saying? That only the brothers clothing needed to be disposed of???? Would it be told if he was charged for getting rid of his own if he had a reason to get rid of them?

I wandering off here trying to understand this.

[IM4Truth]

That is all just hearsay that has already been disproven. Stop spreading rumors!

:mad:

That is in the indictments, links are previously provided for you.

[IM4Truth]

It says J is charged with buring his brother's clothing in the previous article I just linked to.

What is that saying? That only the brothers clothing needed to be disposed of???? Would it be told if he was charged for getting rid of his own if he had a reason to get rid of them?

I wandering off here trying to understand this.

I wondered about the same thing. I remember reading some of the comments in the Pantagraph before this was proven to be true about burning clothing in the back yard of Jason's home. Wouldn't he burn his own too? Maybe Jennifer and Sara knew about this bonfire?

[IM4Truth]

When is Jennifer's hearing? Was it today or is it tomorrow? I think she was trying to get her bond reduced. I wonder if they will do that now and let her bail out. I can't imagine what the families on both sides are going through right now. First the suspense and then the truth. How in the world could a father, and both of these young men had young children, take a tire iron to a dog, much less a human being? I don't get it. I just don't get it. But then I don't have the mind of a murderer. What in the world could they have been thinking?

[m3t00]

Ms. Nicole Gee testified at the GJ. Did I read that right? Look at the bottom of the list of charges.

[kelloggirl]

That is all just hearsay that has already been disproven. Stop spreading rumors!

:mad:

So, formal indictments are rumors now? Interesting.

From this PDF: Jason Harris' Indictment (http://www.pantagraph.com/pdf_2df0130a-c416-11de-bad5-001cc4c03286.html):

Count Seventy

That on or about September 27, 2009 in Logan County, Illinois, the Defendant, JASON LEE HARRIS, committed the offense of OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE (CLASS 4), in violation of 720 ILCS 5/31-4(a), in that said Defendant, with the intent to obstruct the prosecution of Christopher J. Harris and/or Jason Lee Harris, knowingly burned clothing of Christopher James Harris.

[clueless]

Ms. Nicole Gee testified at the GJ. Did I read that right? Look at the bottom of the list of charges.

Certainly did. I was trying to copy & paste and couldn't do it.

[clueless]

I wonder if this is Lonnie? He looks like Rick.

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_52d3761a-c41d-11de-8280-001cc4c03286.html

[JoAnn]

Per the indictment, if you read thru the 13 pages...it did give the model , make and serial no of the laptop computer that was taken and it said "forceably taken from Rick or Ruth Gee"...

so LE must have recovered that laptop to have the serial number, make and model and..... maybe whatever was on it that Chris and Jason did not want anyone else to see, might still be on the hard drive...maybe a webcam image???? Just a thought. (I don't think they took the computer for any other reason than it had something on there to incriminate them, if not in the murders then in something else.

[GentleBreeze]

I wonder if this is Lonnie? He looks like Rick.

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_52d3761a-c41d-11de-8280-001cc4c03286.html

That is what I thought too clueless.

imo

[clueless]

Per the indictment, if you read thru the 13 pages...it did give the model , make and serial no of the laptop computer that was taken and it said "forceably taken from Rick or Ruth Gee"...

so LE must have recovered that laptop to have the serial number, make and model and..... maybe whatever was on it that Chris and Jason did not want anyone else to see, might still be on the hard drive...maybe a webcam image???? Just a thought. (I don't think they took the computer for any other reason than it had something on there to incriminate them, if not in the murders then in something else.

I think your right JoAnn. You would think they would have destroyed it or gotten rid of it.
I wouldn't want to have been the person(s) to talk to the family members after the hearing. That must of been terribly hard.

[AmndaRcknwth]

When is Jennifer's hearing? Was it today or is it tomorrow? I think she was trying to get her bond reduced. I wonder if they will do that now and let her bail out. I can't imagine what the families on both sides are going through right now. First the suspense and then the truth. How in the world could a father, and both of these young men had young children, take a tire iron to a dog, much less a human being? I don't get it. I just don't get it. But then I don't have the mind of a murderer. What in the world could they have been thinking?


We knew, given the rumors, that it would be sickening, senseless, heartbreaking.

How could they.

But this isn't trumped up charges or allegations of such. This is what those boys DID to 6 people.

The family was shocked and told not to tell.

And I am still curious with one eye open. Kinda don't want to look, but can't look away. Senseless and stupid, and I hope these two brothers fry. But they won't. DP inmates have special treatment. special priviledges. I hate that too.

Give them what they gave the Gees.


(I updated the photobucket with the new pics, btw)

[Amy]

So you're saying the 2 people who are charged with committing the murders and all of the atrocities you referred to in your previous post would have top notch lawyers for FREE if the sheriff would just release the gruesome details??? Maybe I'm missing something here, but I don't see how you're reaching that conclusion. If I were an attorney and heard about this case and all of the horrible things that were done to that family, (my family, by the way,) I would RUN in the opposite direction just as far and as fast as I could.

Sheriff Nichols is doing and has done a fine job in this investigation and he deserves our respect as well as our thanks.

Plus, IMO, it is in the best interest of all for there to be a "fair trial" held in Logan County. If the sheriff had gone the route of national headlines day after day--that would have been compromised. @ the least, the high priced FREE attorneys would make every attempt to have the trial moved, because of pre-trial publicity, causing much more taxpayer dollars to be eaten up, and probably delays out the ying-yang.

IMO, it isn't all about getting the defendants free high profile attorneys, it's about justice for the Gee family.

[Amy]

"Word" around Beason??? That's all it must be is nothing but gossip.
I wouldn't believe anything I heard out of the town of Beason. It has already been proven from a few other FYI's it was WRONG, wrong wrong...Gossip...

From the quote you quoted--heard from friends of the family. That, IMO, is the same as "our reliable source" or, "a source close to the case" that media has used over time. IMO, if it doesn't come straight from LE's official mouth, I will wait for the trial for the details.

Some "info" floating around Beason (and many other towns/cities where crimes have occured) is probably much like the telephone game, where the first person makes a statement, each person passes it along, and by the time it gets back to the first person--there is NOTHING of the original statement!!! There are always those who want to be "on the inside" so much, and many tiimes the info from these people aren't first hand, sometimes embellished, sometimes just made up stuff, for some people to make themselves "important." IMO

[GentleBreeze]

We knew, given the rumors, that it would be sickening, senseless, heartbreaking.

How could they.

But this isn't trumped up charges or allegations of such. This is what those boys DID to 6 people.

The family was shocked and told not to tell.

And I am still curious with one eye open. Kinda don't want to look, but can't look away. Senseless and stupid, and I hope these two brothers fry. But they won't. DP inmates have special treatment. special priviledges. I hate that too.

Give them what they gave the Gees.


(I updated the photobucket with the new pics, btw)

ITA!


Thanks for the update.

[desmom]

Ignore and scroll or use the ignore option please.

For the newbies if you would like to put a poster on ignore:

click on User CP at the top left hand corner of your screen

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in the box under Add a Member to Your List... type in the poster's name EXACTLY as it appears on their post.

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Headlines on the www:

Report: Gee family of Beason murdered with tire iron, attemped sexual assault alleged
http://www.examiner.com/x-7520-Chicago-Crime-Examiner~y2009m10d28-Report-Gee-family-of-Beason-murdered-with-tire-iron-attemped-sexual-assault-alleged

Harris brothers face 60-plus count indictment in Beason slaying
http://www.herald-review.com/news/local/article_0acc941c-b0eb-5aa0-91d3-647bac07d1d3.html

Attempted sex assault, computer theft cited in Beason case
http://www.sj-r.com/homepage/x665154461/Indictment-reveals-some-details-of-Beason-killings

[desmom]

My heart breaks for the family and friends of all parties involved. I have being holding on to the scenario this was an argument that got out of hand.

After reading the indictments, I am numb.

[JoAnn]

I see on Jasons indictiment..last two counts..

#70 is for the burning of Chris 's clothes..

#71 is that JASON had the computer in HIS possession..

wonder if he is computer savvy and was going to try to erase the hard drive...

[Katherine]

Per the indictment, if you read thru the 13 pages...it did give the model , make and serial no of the laptop computer that was taken and it said "forceably taken from Rick or Ruth Gee"...

so LE must have recovered that laptop to have the serial number, make and model and..... maybe whatever was on it that Chris and Jason did not want anyone else to see, might still be on the hard drive...maybe a webcam image???? Just a thought. (I don't think they took the computer for any other reason than it had something on there to incriminate them, if not in the murders then in something else.

I remember hearing that Ruth and Nicole were arguing on the computer that night as well. Those instant message sessions would still be on the hard drive. Maybe an argument about Chris, that could lead law enforcement to him in regards to Justina?

[JoAnn]

count 71 against Jason reads as follows (though snipped) it was a pdf file and could not figure out how to copy and paste...so short version of it.

count 71
..snipped

Said Defendent with the intent to obstruct the prosecution of Christopher James Harris and/or Jason Lee Harris, knowingly concealed an Acer Aspire Laptop computer, snipped...(serial no and make and model)

[m3t00]

(Raymond, Ruth, Justina, Dillen, Austin)
-First Degree Murder - 720 ILCS 5/9-1(a)(1) (intent to kill or injure)
-First Degree Murder - 720 ILCS 5/9-1(a)(1) (knowing would cause death)
-First Degree Murder - 720 ILCS 5/9-1(a)(2) (knowing strong probability of death)
-First Degree Murder - 720 ILCS 5/9-1(a)(3) while committing:
{
Home Invasion - 720 ILCS 5/12-11(a)(1)
Home Invasion - 720 ILCS 5/12-11(a)(2)
Armed Robbery - 720 ILCS 5/18-2(a)
Residential Burglery - 720 ILCS 5/19-3 (Criminal Sexual Assault)
Residential Burglery - 720 ILCS 5/19-3 (Robbery)
Residential Burglery - 720 ILCS 5/19-3 (Theft)
Robbery - 720 ILCS 5/18-1(a)
(Attempted) Criminal Sexual Assault - 720 ILCS 5/12-13(a)(1)
}

(Austin) (victim under 12)
-First Degree Murder - 720 ILCS 5/9-1(a)(1) (intent to kill or injure)
-First Degree Murder - 720 ILCS 5/9-1(a)(1) (knowing would cause death)
-First Degree Murder - 720 ILCS 5/9-1(a)(2) (knowing strong probability of death)
{All Ref: 730 ILCS 5/5-8-1(a)(1)(c)(ii)}

(Justina)
-Attempt Criminal Sexual Assault(CLASS 2) - 720 ILCS 5/8-4(a)

(Tabitha)
-Attempt First Degree Murder(CLASS X) - 720 ILCS 5/8-4(a)
-Aggravated Battery of a Child(CLASS X) - 720 ILCS 5/12-4.3(a)

-Home Invasion(CLASS X) - 720 ILCS 5/12-11(a)(1)
-Home Invasion(CLASS X) - 720 ILCS 5/12-11(a)(2)
-Armed Robbery(CLASS X) - 720 ILCS 5/18-2(a)
-Residential Burglery(CLASS 1) - 720 ILCS 5/19-3 (Criminal Sexual Assault)
-Residential Burglery(CLASS 1) - 720 ILCS 5/19-3 (Robbery)
-Residential Burglery(CLASS 1) - 720 ILCS 5/19-3 (Theft)
-Robbery(CLASS 2) - 720 ILCS 5/18-1(a)
-Obstructing Justice(CLASS 4) - 720 ILCS 5/31-4(a) (false information)
-Obstructing Justice(CLASS 4) - 720 ILCS 5/31-4(a) (burned Chris's clothing)
-Obstructing Justice(CLASS 4) - 720 ILCS 5/31-4(a) (concealed laptop)

5(3 + 8) + 3 + 1 + 2 + 10 = 71 Counts

Sorry for the wall-of-text but I couldn't make sense of them all in the PDF format. Hope this helps. For Chris's just skip the "Obstructing" charges I believe.

[JoAnn]

(Raymond, Ruth, Justina, Dillen, Austin)
-First Degree Murder - 720 ILCS 5/9-1(a)(1) (intent to kill or injure)
-First Degree Murder - 720 ILCS 5/9-1(a)(1) (knowing would cause death)
-First Degree Murder - 720 ILCS 5/9-1(a)(2) (knowing strong probability of death)
-First Degree Murder - 720 ILCS 5/9-1(a)(3) while committing:
{
Home Invasion - 720 ILCS 5/12-11(a)(1)
Home Invasion - 720 ILCS 5/12-11(a)(2)
Armed Robbery - 720 ILCS 5/18-2(a)
Residential Burglery - 720 ILCS 5/19-3 (Criminal Sexual Assault)
Residential Burglery - 720 ILCS 5/19-3 (Robbery)
Residential Burglery - 720 ILCS 5/19-3 (Theft)
Robbery - 720 ILCS 5/18-1(a)
(Attempted) Criminal Sexual Assault - 720 ILCS 5/12-13(a)(1)
}

(Austin) (victim under 12)
-First Degree Murder - 720 ILCS 5/9-1(a)(1) (intent to kill or injure)
-First Degree Murder - 720 ILCS 5/9-1(a)(1) (knowing would cause death)
-First Degree Murder - 720 ILCS 5/9-1(a)(2) (knowing strong probability of death)
{All Ref: 730 ILCS 5/5-8-1(a)(1)(c)(ii)}

(Justina)
-Attempt Criminal Sexual Assault(CLASS 2) - 720 ILCS 5/8-4(a)

(Tabitha)
-Attempt First Degree Murder(CLASS X) - 720 ILCS 5/8-4(a)
-Aggravated Battery of a Child(CLASS X) - 720 ILCS 5/12-4.3(a)

-Home Invasion(CLASS X) - 720 ILCS 5/12-11(a)(1)
-Home Invasion(CLASS X) - 720 ILCS 5/12-11(a)(2)
-Armed Robbery(CLASS X) - 720 ILCS 5/18-2(a)
-Residential Burglery(CLASS 1) - 720 ILCS 5/19-3 (Criminal Sexual Assault)
-Residential Burglery(CLASS 1) - 720 ILCS 5/19-3 (Robbery)
-Residential Burglery(CLASS 1) - 720 ILCS 5/19-3 (Theft)
-Robbery(CLASS 2) - 720 ILCS 5/18-1(a)
-Obstructing Justice(CLASS 4) - 720 ILCS 5/31-4(a) (false information)
-Obstructing Justice(CLASS 4) - 720 ILCS 5/31-4(a) (burned Chris's clothing)
-Obstructing Justice(CLASS 4) - 720 ILCS 5/31-4(a) (concealed laptop)

5(3 + 8) + 3 + 1 + 2 + 10 = 71 Counts

Sorry for the wall-of-text but I couldn't make sense of them all in the PDF format. Hope this helps. For Chris's just skip the "Obstructing" charges I believe.

great job on that..I couldn't do a think with the pdf files...have no clue how to copy and paste so this helped a lot..in doing this and looking it over I see something I didnt notice..I see the attempted criminal sexual assault on Justina..but do I also see a criminal sexual assault on Tabitha (it does not say attempted..is that correct?) or am I reading it wrong?...anybody? or is that on another line about something else..but what is the criminal sexual assault about?

[m3t00]

but do I also see a criminal sexual assault on Tabitha (it does not say attempted..is that correct?) or am I reading it wrong?...anybody?

Uhh, nope.

(Tabitha)
-Attempt First Degree Murder(CLASS X) - 720 ILCS 5/8-4(a)
-Aggravated Battery of a Child(CLASS X) - 720 ILCS 5/12-4.3(a)

I went back to the PDF and double checked. Can't even search that thing. I typed all this so there could be errors.

[Amy]

great job on that..I couldn't do a think with the pdf files...have no clue how to copy and paste so this helped a lot..in doing this and looking it over I see something I didnt notice..I see the attempted criminal sexual assault on Justina..but do I also see a criminal sexual assault on Tabitha (it does not say attempted..is that correct?) or am I reading it wrong?...anybody? or is that on another line about something else..but what is the criminal sexual assault about?

Tabitha's says aggravated battery of a child. Didn't see sexual assault relating to her.

[JoAnn]

IMO...

Looks like these brothers are in for some hard prison time 24/7 for the rest of their lives.

No one gets out from underneath 50+ counts of murder, so they’re in for life on at least five of them plus an attempted murder conviction. Whether the Pros can stick them with the sexual assault of a minor, they will forever be known for it along with intentionally murdering perfectly innocent children. These are the kind of prisoners who “hang it up” or slit their wrists.

If you think that regular citizens hate such criminals, the hardened criminals hate them all the worse (and they have much less compunction about doing something about it), partly because their prison experience makes them nastier, partly because they want something worse than themselves to hate, partly because the objects of their hatred give crime a bad name, and partly because they may have had a mother or sister or daughter (or themselves) who were sexually assaulted as a kid. You’d be surprised that most tough criminals have a soft spot for kids. Yeah, traffic in drugs, deal in prostitution, rob a bank, B+E some fat cat’s house, murder your wife or GF, run a scam or racket, murder someone to get even but, unless a kid gets killed by mistake, you never never never go after the kids on purpose. And all you need is one @#$% among the 1,000 prisoners you’re in with to make your life miserable.

The prison system may also put them in a prison far away from central Illinois out of respect for the victim’s family, which means they won’t get visits from family or friends as often as they would otherwise. Authorities may even have to move them out of state.

...IMO

Their sentences could go far beyond their normal life times...if they sentence them for each murder at 20-30 years, you could be looking at 150 years unless they got concurrent sentences that would run at the same time..and you know they wouldn't dare sentence them to concurrent. I read Illinois has a moratorium on the death penalty, so chances are they won't be put to death if convicted...but will probably never see life again as a free man.

[JoAnn]

Tabitha's says aggravated battery of a child. Didn't see sexual assault relating to her.

I am probably looking at it wrong...drop down under her name and the aggravated battery..about two lines down or so ..after that and you will see criminal sexual assault on the right...but I dont know what it is pertaining to...? I thought it was hooked up with Tabithas info, but it is probably not meant to be there with her info..

edited..here is the line I was referring to..but didnt realize it was hand typed out..so maybe a error..will go look at the original..

snipped
Residential Burglery - 720 ILCS 5/19-3 (Criminal Sexual Assault)

[clueless]

[QUOTE=clueless;13596966]

Sorry, I probably read that in a comments section of the Pantagraph, at least I'm not spreading awful graphic rumors that are not allowed on the board.

Sorry if you were upset by the request. I just did not remember reading that either here or the comments in the Pantagraph. If you are accusing me of vicious
rumors, please be more specific. I did not join this site with the intent to spread rumors or be accused of it.

[JoAnn]

Uhh, nope.

(Tabitha)
-Attempt First Degree Murder(CLASS X) - 720 ILCS 5/8-4(a)
-Aggravated Battery of a Child(CLASS X) - 720 ILCS 5/12-4.3(a)

I went back to the PDF and double checked. Can't even search that thing. I typed all this so there could be errors.


I am IMPRESSED ..you typed all of that..let me go see if I can get back to the orignal and see if it says attempted or not...

edited...this was the line I was referring to..

Residential Burglery - 720 ILCS 5/19-3 (Criminal Sexual Assault)

[m3t00]

Basically, they have "thrown the book" at the Harris bros.

To get a murder conviction prosecutors will have to prove one of the first 3 or any one of the 8 lesser charges to prove the 4th. Or 1 of the 3 involving Austin. Or all of them, of course.

Everything depends on the evidence and the jury. They may not get them on all the charges but... yeah, I don't see the Harris bros ever getting out.

[Leanne Weich]

I know all murderers are evil but, if the Harris bros are convicted (and I have no reason to believe they wont be), they are some kind of special evil people. I was dreading the release of the indictments but this is so much worse than I imagined.

My thoughts and prayers are with the remaining family members as they try to digest this horrendous information.

[m3t00]

edited...this was the line I was referring to..

Residential Burglery - 720 ILCS 5/19-3 (Criminal Sexual Assault)

That was for counts 16 - 20. I didn't really understand that connection but you can read it and see if it makes sense. I haven't looked any of these up in the ILCS yet.

[JoAnn]

That was for counts 16 - 20. I didn't really understand that connection but you can read it and see if it makes sense. I haven't looked any of these up in the ILCS yet.

it is so hard to read the original indictments that I just thought something slipped by me...and getting to late to figure it out now.

I am awed by all the indictments and the info that has come out tonight..I need some time to dwell on it I think..for what it might imply.

Both what I did see is that both Chris and Jason were charged with the tire iron..and both were charged with attempted criminal sexual assault...on top of the murders and attempted murder.

[m3t00]

*snip*
Both what I did see is that both Chris and Jason were charged with the tire iron..and both were charged with attempted criminal sexual assault...on top of the murders and attempted murder.

If the bros turn against each other and neither one confesses this could be a _very_ long trial. I have a feeling that the boys have been talking to others and the more the better for everyone involved. I have a feeling Chris started talking and that is what lead to Jason's arrest but it's just a hunch. Some have latched onto the sexual assault thing as some kind of motive but since it doesn't appear to have happened before the murders I don't put much stock in it. In a big brawl cloths can get ripped and that would be all police needed for Attempted Criminal Sexual Assault. Of course this is just speculation. Trying to make sense of the senseless.

[GentleBreeze]

My mind is bombarded with thoughts since the indictments came out.

Does anyone remember who said Justina had just gotten her first boyfriend? Wasn't this the Postmistress? I thought it was strange at the time that none of Justina's friends mentioned him and we never saw or heard from him and he wasn't mentioned as being at the church when Justina's friends gathered to pray and remember Dillen and Justina.

Could she have had an on line boyfriend who said he was 16? Could this anonymous boyfriend been one of the Harris brothers? Is that why they took the laptop thinking LE could find those messages, emails. Did Justina have a MySpace or Facebook page?

Just pondering.

imo